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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellawsikos, I am Dan Favalley coming at

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you with yet another twenty twenty five twenty twenty six

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NBA season look Ahead. The Golden State Warriors are up

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now that the Jonathan Kaminga soap opera is over at

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long last, or at least has reached some sort of

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a pause until he's trade eligible. I'm very excited. I

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have the distinct pleasure this year, once again making his

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second ever look Ahead appearance as a guest, the one

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the only covers the NBA, including the Warriors, for Bleacher Report.

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He's also the co host of a moderately known podcast

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within the basketball circles, Mister Grant Hughes follow him on

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the socials at Grant Hughes spelled exactly as it sounds, Grant,

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it's been can't believe it's been a whole year.

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Speaker 2: Been a full year.

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Speaker 1: The heck the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I was worried that you were gonna ask me to

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give you like where can people find your stuff? And

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I was gonna have to scramble to like what is

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my blue sky handle? I couldn't remember it's on the screen. Yeah,

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it's a shame it took a year to get back together,

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but here we are. You know, we did it. We

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made it. We connected. It's just it's very difficult for

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us to get in contact with each other, but we

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pulled it off. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited

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to talk about one team. We talk all the time

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about how wouldn't it be nice if we could cover

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one team. But I'm also nervous because I feel like

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I'm gonna be put in a position where I'm supposed

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to be in authority and it makes me uncomfortable. Dan,

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I'm gonna do my bet.

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Speaker 1: Which I never would have guessed, because all you do

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off air is make demands.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I'm very hard to manage. Yeah, but yeah,

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which is really why this is why you said it

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was because of the kaminga thing that we took so

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long to get to this. It was because you couldn't

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meet my price. It took a lot of negotiating to

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get to this point, but we did it.

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Speaker 1: It was the number of carbon credits I had a

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give to granted him on here was just absolutely insane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's tough, you know, but we got here. That's

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the important point. And and we do get to talk

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about I'm biased, but this is a really interesting team.

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Uh so second second, an interesting podcast.

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Speaker 1: Second best in the West. According to ESPN's projections that.

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Speaker 2: In our discussion, what could go wrong? I'm prepared to

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Speaker 1: Speaking of something that I think when according to plan,

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we have to start with the Jonathan cominga situation. We

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have talked a little bit about it, but now you're

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a little bit removed from the situation. He ends up

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with the one minus one, the two year deal with

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the team option. How do you feel, ultimately feel about

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where he and the Warriors ended up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in a lot of ways, they ended up

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where they started, which is kind of it's a it's

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an it's the relationship exists. It doesn't seem like everybody

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is super happy about it. But I mean, look, I'll

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just tell you up front, like I'm gonna turn this

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into a little more of a dialogue than just me

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answering your questions because I don't know, we're both interested

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in this team. It seemed to me that the Warriors

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got everything they wanted out of this deal, right Like

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they they get the team option, they get a number

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that they want that allows them to go get to

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just fit all the other guys that everybody knew were

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teed up onto the payroll, and they preserve Kaminga as

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basically as valuable a trade asset as he could have been.

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on a third, I think that to me, if I'm

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an acquiring team, is maybe slightly less appealing than one

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than the one in the team option because you can

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bring him in in January when he's eligible to be traded.

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we like this fit, and then you can just keep

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Speaker 1: You know, if he comes, you could rip it up.

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Speaker 2: You can rip it Yeah. Boy, that was so for

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anybody if you're listening to this podcast, you are like

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you're in the weeds enough, But like I I that one.

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Did that one bother you or annoy you that? Like

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that's not really what team that's to say that a

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deal with a team option was signed with the intent

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to rip it up after the guaranteed year is just

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so nakedly agent speak that's trying to make it look

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better for the player than it actually does. Right, Like

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that was like almost a new step in in the

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bsing of contract reporting.

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Speaker 1: It was next level water carrying. For sure. It provides

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an interesting content opportunity. For some reason, his next team

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does declimb the option, there better be a video of

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just that ripping up.

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Speaker 2: Like the contract right right, Chicago Bulls social media team,

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you're on notice, you're gonna have to just get a

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Speaker 1: Golden State's gonna hit like cocaine.

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I don't know how much analysis of his fit with

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the Warriors this year is gonna be different than it

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we'll get into it more, but like the end result

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of the negotiations is we now know kind of when

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this relationship will be over unless something crazy happens and

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he Kamika becomes the player he thinks he can be

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and it actually makes sense on this roster, which, like boy,

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gonna start, uh, he's gonna have inconsistencies night tonight, there

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will be the same athletic flashes, they'll be the same mistakes.

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been deficient that have cost him playing time. But to me, like,

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for example, the worry that like, oh boy, this is

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gonna there's gonna be some friction and this is gonna

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be this isn't different. Like he's been mad about his

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role forever and the Warriors have continued to use him

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the way they think is the right way forever. Like

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that's just seeing what I'm saying, like, not a lot

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actually functionally has changed.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point. And it's also just Draymond

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Kevin Durant era, so friction is their default. It feels

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like to some extent, what I'm very curious about is,

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so I think you and I are an agreement with

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this shocker. The best way for Kaminga to like establish

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himself as a great fit on the Warriors would be

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can you knock down threes? Can you defend hard? Can

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you rebound the basketball? And it's can you make quicker

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decisions with the ball where it's catching go if you

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want to put the ball on the deck. So we're

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in agreement with that. My question to you about this though, Okay,

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he's on the roster, and if you're the Warriors, I

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also agree that this was basically an ideal outcome for

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them as you have this large, essentially expiring contract of

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a young player that still has tons of upside. So

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it's not just we're trading you as expiring salary or

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we're trading you as a could be valuable role player.

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He can function, and this is very rare as both

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they're outgoing salary ballast and like one of the prospects

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that are in any deal they want to make, but

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intact as that prospect, as that upside player. Is there

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something the Warriors can do in your eyes, to where

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Is there just something that they can do to adapt

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to him a little bit, because one it serves the

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purpose of increasing his trade value. But then also in

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theory of Kaminga's playing, well, your team is better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a they're kind of I guess

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they're sort of the same issue. Like you want to

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make you want to set him up to succeed because

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that's good for the team, and two that's good for

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his trade value. Right, So like, how does what does

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that look like? I think there's just some fairly well

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established basics, which includes spacing, So Horford matters in that effort,

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non starter. Kaminga Butler Green like, it's just the space

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Steve Kerr said it forever, Like the spacing just doesn't work. Now,

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that's a convenient it's true, but it's also a good

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way to justify not using Kaminga when that's only part

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of the reason the Warriors don't want him in a

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huge role. Some of the deficiencies that you mentioned already

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that I'm sure we'll talk about are the other way

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that Kirk could justify it, and that would feel more

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like we just don't think this guy is that good

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which is like that serves nobody, So spacing matters. Look,

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if there were an easy answer to how do you

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make him the best version of himself, they would have

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a good defender or other guys can set him up

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more often, or you know, he should be comfortable, or

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he should be more successful as a cutter as whatever,

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attention elsewhere, more open space for his athleticism to just

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a lot of record scratch possessions, and he draws fouls

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really effectively, and like that's kind of so if you're

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as high as possible, it's probably allowing him to play

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the kind of role that he wants, which is kind

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of more of a first option. He won't be efficient

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and but he can get some counting stats. The Warriors

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couple thirty point playoff games right after Steff got hurt,

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basics you would exp you'd assume go into making him

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look good are still just what they are. Space more touches,

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that kind of thing start him out, frankly, like he

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just always plays harder when he starts, which is another

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like that's a knock by the way. So yeah, I

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don't have any like magic fix because I don't think

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Speaker 1: What do you think? And I guess this is definitely

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the end game of a kaminga trade? Is it to

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get prospects and picks for him? Is it to use

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his salary so they could bring in another big name player,

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might they be to where is there just a chance

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that the right deal is out there and he's just

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still on this team past the trade dead line.

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Speaker 2: It's possible that he's still there. I mean, that's not

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the outcome anybody wants. So everybody's very much motivated to

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make sure that he's not on this team past the deadline.

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I think I would say, I think given the age

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of the corps and now you've made it older with Horford,

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and the window is I don't know if it's open

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at all, but however open it is, it's closing in

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a hurry in a couple of years. Just that everybody's

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contracts line up to expire, by the way. So I

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in pursuit of someone who profiles as like, I don't know,

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your third or fourth best player that's probably older and

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kaminga if that's the way. Oh, but you know who

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guy that's your fifth or sixth best player. That just

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makes sense for sort of what you're to address the

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shortcomings that this team has. It could go either way.

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I think though it is a win now move, like

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you're trading a younger player and probably some picks for

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someone that's going to upgrade the roster for the end

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of this season and maybe next year. It's pretty short,

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like time horizon thinking.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about someone other than Jonathan Minga. How big?

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How big is the Al Horford edition for this team.

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We tend to over romanticize mini mid level signings of

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dudes are in their late thirties. This one just feels

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different though.

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Speaker 2: He's just kind of other than his age. He's kind

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of perfect. He gives them something that they've never had,

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which is a guy who can defend the rim, defend

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in space, and shoot like that's just they've had one

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or two of those things from bigs in the past,

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never all of them to me, Like, he's gonna be

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part of all of their best lineups, and the question

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will just be at thirty nine, how many games can

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he play? He probably isn't gonna play back to backs.

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He's bound to miss. You just have to price in

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miss time. So that sort of, I guess limits his value.

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But that's a regular season thing. They get to the playoffs.

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That's all that matters to this team obviously, So he's

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just an ideal fit. Like there's all he's a good passer,

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Like I don't know, we're not saying anything at this

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point that people don't know about Al Horford, but on

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this team in particular, he's just he's a piece they've

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never had, even when they were just full on dynasty,

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didn't have this type of guy, like just just haven't.

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So it's a fun new wrinkle that is he's just

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purely additive, takes nothing off the table. Maybe that's the

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best way to put it. Compared to some of the

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bigs they've had in the past.

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Speaker 1: Is there like a player in particular that you know

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it like, oh, he needs to be on the floor.

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You're interested in seeing him on the floor with the

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most where it's like, oh, this really opens up stuff

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for Jimmy Butler or I mean, like the dynamic between

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him and Steph could be insane. There's also just he

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could carry this outsized importance to someone like Jonathan Kuminga's

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game if they're both in the front court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's everybody, I think, Like, you know, they're gonna

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They have already in preseason messed with him and Quentin

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Post at the same time, which is like unheard of,

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Like they just never that.

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Speaker 1: And I hope it stays.

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Speaker 2: I just want to see, Yeah, well because and you

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can do it because you're not COMPROMI you know, Horford

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is not a conventional big defender, like he's just some

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of the numbers on his switch defense are just sort

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of unbelievable at this age still, So he just lets

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you get as creative as you want. I think. I

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think maybe the best case scenario is he helps them

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address one of the big weaknesses, which is they don't

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have almost anybody that and I'm sure I'm stepping on

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several things I'll say later. They just don't have anybody

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that reliably can just beat his guy, touch the paint,

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bend the defense like with the dribble, and maybe his

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spacing and passing just allows them to you know, score

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in other ways, or maybe it's it's such a value

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add in terms of spacing that guys like I don't know,

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Moses Moody or even pods that just they just don't

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beat their guy actually can once in a while because

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there's nobody in the middle of the floor. I don't

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know that that's There's a lot of ways he could

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impact the team positively.

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Speaker 1: Are there any would you have any concerns functionally about

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him being there? Is it? He's never been like a hive.

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I mean, not that they necessarily have his like a

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high volume rebounding big Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I could see defensive rebounding being an issue because Draymond

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has kind of slipped a little bit in that area.

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But honest like, functionally, no, I just Al Horford is

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not someone you worry about fitting like anywhere because he

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just doesn't, you know, do anything that gets in anybody's way.

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It is just again the age, like you're already your

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core is already so old and cannot be expected to

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play a ton and he's we know he's not playing

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sixty five games or certainly not seventy, so that that's

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the only thing is he does sort of exacerbate a

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weakness that was already there, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you had mentioned the switching before, and I

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had been reading something that says was looking at the

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Golden State switch numbers last year, which were not especially high.

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Do you think they're going to do more switching now

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that you have, especially during the minutes that you have

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both Draymond and Horford on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. And I think they want to

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do that because in their higher think back to like

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Kevon Looney in the twenty two title run was switching

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on to you name the superstar and like somehow holding up.

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So they they want that in the bag for sure,

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And it just isn't something you know, they trace Jackson

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Davis started games for him last year and he's that's

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just not something he's able to do as a center.

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Speaker 1: So about Quinton Post, but this.

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Speaker 2: Is maybe the only negative thing I say about him.

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He's not gonna that's not something he can do either.

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So yeah, he just he unlocks optionality, and I think

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against certain teams, I think they'll switch a lot because honestly,

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like it's like a less stressful way to play defense

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if you can do it just because you're not fighting

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through screens, you're just passing guys off. And I don't know,

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maybe that's a way you save all these thirty five

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plus year old legs as you switch a lot more.

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Speaker 1: What is like the defining fast So they're first in

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defense last year after getting after Jimmy Butler's debut, Now

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they get out Horford theme theory just get better. But

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like when you look at the secret sauce behind this defense,

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they don't have an elite ballhawk anymore. Maybe you think

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that's the Anthony Melton when he's healthy around what like Christmas, January,

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whatever that's gonna be. That's not really like GP two.

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GP two certainly now is not gonna do that. What

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is just the singular trade about this defense that makes

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it so good? When you're looking at Okay, you have Butler,

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you know what Draymond does, we know what Horford does.

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Butler is a better off ball defender than he is

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an on ball defender. And yet it all just kind

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of comes together and yeah, they could be. They might

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not be on Okac's level wire to wire, but their

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best lineups can defend like any other team's best lineups.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one thing that feels like an outlier

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is after they got Butler last year, they did lead

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the league an opponent turnovers forced, like as a percentage,

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which is just like to your point, like there's not

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they don't really have the personnel for that. Moody's kind

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of sneaky, handsy, like it's hard to dribble around him.

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Peyton's a deflections guy, Pods is a take charges guy.

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His steel rates low. Draymond's not as mobile as he

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was or disruptive, although like still he'll get you a

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steal in a block, so it but it's not gonna

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be an Okay s style defense. It's not like overwhelming

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or like a Houston defense where it's just like these

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guys are just glued to you and you can't move.

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I think the main thing is you can't. They don't

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get out thought ever, like it's just you have Draymond's

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steph all this experience. They've played every type of offense

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there is. Jimmy Butler is like a genius defense, Like

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you know what they lack in the physical tools that

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you might see in a really disruptive defense. They make

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up for with just I don't know, like know how

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and and like they're just sound like they don't they

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don't give up a lot of shots where you're like

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that was a clear lapse like that kind of thing,

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and they do they do win the math game like

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they now you'll everybody always says, like the way that

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Chase and previously Oracle with log shots at the rim,

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like for with their tracking data was like kind of bs,

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which is like, how do the Warriors always have the

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lowest percentage of opponent shot attempts at the rim? It's

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like and it's like they're there's a little bit of

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like goosing the numbers there, but they really do just

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not allow a lot around the basket and so they

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they it's that's just again that goes to they're just

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smart and they've seen everything. And Draymond's third defensive Player

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of the Year last year, so it's like there is

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an anchor like it's just we can't forget they do

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have talent. It's just not it's not like I'm and

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Thompson Jada like talent, Like it's not that kind.

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Speaker 1: It almost feels like because they have Draymond as that

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I mean, he's all over, but like that backstop is

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he diminishes like the stakes in front of him because

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when there are mistakes made or of screen navigation isn't great,

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or you don't even need to focus on that that much,

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or you have someone like Jimmy Butler who can take

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more chances, like more than that's that contribute to the

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term of It's like, well, Draymond is gonna be there

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to clean up any of the miscuser direct somebody do that,

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and now it's, oh, we're just gonna add out Horford

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to that, who's also really good right at doing that

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type of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think I think one key thing and maybe they'll

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be lapses in the regular season because it's a veteran

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team and whatever, but like it's gonna be pretty rare

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where a team comes out and like one gets to

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the thing they want to do first easily, or two

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does something that the Warriors are just like not prepared

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to defend. They're always it's just this amount of experience

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and just generally smart defensive players sets your floor really

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high because you're just not gonna like catch them making

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the same mistake twice or even you know, hit them

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with something that they weren't prepared for generally, because it's

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just like, what is Jimmy Butler not seen as a defender.

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You know, their processing speed is just again, it makes

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up for a pretty unathletic roster.

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Speaker 1: And it's even just like teams running on them last year,

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which you would think is sort of like the the

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Warriors miss a shot. Teams get out in transition, that's

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like their Achilles heel. And I think after the Butler

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trade they were twenty eighth in opponent frequency on the

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break after live rebounds, and yet they were first in

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points a loud per possession, which is just like kind

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of insane. And it's not saying his defense doesn't have weaknesses,

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but it just like you would think that that would

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be the recipe to maybe undermining the Warriors defense, and

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it just with Butler there, it might not be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, I think ironically it's easier to

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run on the Warriors when they have like their younger,

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more athletic guys out there, because those are the guys

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that don't think, Okay, I'm I'm the high man in

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this offensive possession, I need to sprint back. Kaminga did

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it in the preseason game, like it was just a blatant,

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like fuck up. That's just like, first of all, like

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he should have been able to catch the guy because

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he's an A plus athlete, But like that, you're gonna

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be able to run on like the Buddy Heeled kaminga

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post like younger quote unquote more athletic looks. Buddy Heel's

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not young, but you know what I mean, it's like

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the old guys actually, just it's harder to catch them sleeping.

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Speaker 1: Do you want this to like Danthey Melton? I guess

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enough of just I think Andrew Wiggins that was what

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people probably didn't appreciate him about. Enough is a lot

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of the on ball work that he did. You think

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a healthy d Anthony Melton is enough to cover that up?

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Or is this a team where it's when you're looking

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at or get into their single biggest need later? But

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how much of a need do you view as having

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like more of an a like and maybe Butler can

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do it for stretches, but that's like, that's not Jimmy

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Butler right now. So do you view that as an

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actual concern for this team or not? Really?

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Speaker 2: I think they're not really. I think one, they're gonna

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turn to Moody I think quite a bit in the

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Wiggins role. He won't be as good as Wiggins was

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at his best, but he'll probably be about as good

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as Wiggins was eighty percent of the time he was

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on the team. So that and then just having the

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switch ability behind that. I think you know, their teams

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I guess will target Steph. But that's been the case

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for almost for whatever seventeen years or whatever it is,

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and it's the Warriors have just had a top ten

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defense always basically since this whole thing started. So I

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think you're right, like, maybe just a point of attack,

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00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,200
like ballhawk type guy is maybe what they don't have

476
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:06,559
unless Melton is magically fully healthy. But I don't. I

477
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,480
don't view that as like I think their defense is

478
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,119
going to be better than their offense. I guess I'll just

479
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:11,759
put it that way.

480
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,559
Speaker 1: What did you make of the initial Jimmy Butler fit

481
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,519
and just sort of the dynamics specifically between him and Dre,

482
00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:21,799
him and Steph.

483
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:24,279
Speaker 2: Uh, He's just I feel like I'm gonna be kind

484
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:27,920
of broken record ye here, because like he just makes

485
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,880
up for lack of spacing, lack of athleticism with just

486
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:36,640
he understands where to be and like where the weaknesses

487
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,400
in the defense are and how to exploit him. And

488
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,200
when all spails, he just goes and gets fouled. So

489
00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:46,039
he like his chemistry with good players is just always

490
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:48,799
going to be good because he's he can figure out

491
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,519
what needs to happen and who needs to be where,

492
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:54,000
and who needs a shot wear and is this a

493
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,440
possession where I just have to go run into somebody

494
00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:58,880
to slow the game down and get free throws? Like

495
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,079
he's just great that stuff. He is athletically diminished. Maybe

496
00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:06,240
that gets worse this year, but like, you know, the

497
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:09,960
numbers are just so I had a couple that I

498
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:13,279
pulled just for you know, the and they probably won't

499
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,279
be anything new. The Warriors are plus twelve point eight

500
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,920
with butler On and steph Off last year, which is

501
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720
like unheard of. Now. A lot of that was defense

502
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:24,880
and it was a small sample, so they're shooting variants.

503
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,359
But the offense was a forty seventh percentile offense with

504
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,960
butler On and steph Off, which is like they'll take

505
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,960
that like hit seven days out of the week that

506
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:38,920
Kevin Durant era right like that's that's not good, but

507
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,160
relatively speaking, that's great. And then when you put him

508
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,960
out there with any of the other vets, it's just

509
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,440
like they just kill everybody. So he's he's pretty additive

510
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,640
for a guy that doesn't space the floor because he

511
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,920
just figures out other ways to like capitalize.

512
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,839
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, and even when you include the playoffs

513
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,839
as part of that, So just combined and the regulars

514
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,960
he's been in playoffs, they were this is per PBP

515
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,119
stats were a plus five point two per one hundred

516
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,279
when he played without Steph. It's like the offensive rating

517
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,720
during that time is if he like one ten, Like

518
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,400
if you're just gonna tread, it's not about how you're

519
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,079
treading water without Steph. You just need to tread.

520
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: Roles, just can you? And the answer almost always has

521
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,079
been they cannot. Uh So, just if you break even

522
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,400
with that with Steph off the floor, they're gonna win

523
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,680
a ton of games. Like that's just because that's not

524
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,319
been the case.

525
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: I actually found myself when I was watching and I

526
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,680
went back and watched some more Jimmy Butler possessions while

527
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,599
I was putting together the outline for such a special

528
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,200
guest like you're sure yourself. I get frustrated with Jimmy

529
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,680
Butler on the ball a lot of it. Like I

530
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,079
know what he could do as a driver in the

531
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:39,880
foul drawing, and I thought that that would extend, and

532
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,640
I was feeling this last year. He's playing alongside other

533
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,440
guys and he's not a floor he doesn't want to

534
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,559
be a floor spaser either, but when he's off the ball,

535
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,119
just an intuitive cutter that you mentioned, knows where to be,

536
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,200
like the positioning in the post or if he's going

537
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,240
to be in the dunker spot, and it just it

538
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,319
felt I don't want to say seamless, but we're just like, oh,

539
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,480
like this is this makes so much sense. And so

540
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,240
it's Jimmy Butler on the ball. The way he plays

541
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,880
probably makes more sense during the non steph minutes because

542
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,759
it's okay, like you just need that sort of brute force.

543
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,079
But like I had worried that it just that feeling

544
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,200
the frustration of watching Jimmy Butler try to orchestrate around

545
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,640
other really good players. Now you shift from the Golden

546
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,200
State where that's not his primary role, and those same

547
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,240
limitations are still there, but they just don't matter as much.

548
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,519
And it just felt like far more of an instinctual

549
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,960
fit offensively than I thought it was ever gonna be. Again,

550
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,519
when when everyone was on the floor together rather than

551
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:33,599
just the staggered minutes.

552
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: I think maybe, as it's hearing you say that, I

553
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:43,359
think maybe his superpower is that like he, like Steph,

554
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240
gets a wild hair and throws a ridiculous pass that

555
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:49,359
has no hope or and Draymond will do it three

556
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,799
or four times a game because they're just like they're

557
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,119
seeing stuff that's not there or there or it's just

558
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,039
like Butler. And this is what's frustrating sometimes is so deliberate,

559
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,279
Like you can not make him throw a pass. He

560
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:04,400
doesn't want to because he's so strong. He could just

561
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,319
get to a spot and like you're just he's there.

562
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,400
It belongs to him. Now he gets to do whatever

563
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,279
he can do from there. You can't speed him up. Cliche,

564
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,640
but that is very true. Like he just he won't

565
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,599
take a decent three because a decent three for him

566
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,279
is actually not a great shot. He'll just go he'll

567
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:24,279
wait longer and look for something else. So I think

568
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,599
just as as a stabilizing force, particularly without Steph on

569
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,799
the floor, he just like it's hard to do better

570
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:35,599
than him because he's just gonna do whatever he wants

571
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,279
to do and as long as it takes him to

572
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:40,559
do it, that's it. So be it like great because

573
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,039
now we have longer possessions and Steph's rest counts for

574
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,319
extra and again, you know, like the more we shoot

575
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:48,400
three throws while Steph is out, his two minutes off

576
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,319
the floor turned into eight. You know. So it is

577
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,160
he what frustrates about him, I think sometimes is actually

578
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,559
like a positive if you if you kind of flip it.

579
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: So I was gonna ask you what you're tracking most

580
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,039
closely with him headed into like his first full season

581
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,079
with the team. But I wanted to Actually one of

582
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,079
the things that I found fascinating and I'm curious if

583
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:12,400
other teams will do it, is we saw Minnesota go

584
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,640
to like using a big on Jimmy a lot. Do

585
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,480
you think that that's gonna become more of a staple,

586
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:21,920
especially knowing now who Golden State's three primary bigs are.

587
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they are gonna be susceptible to that because Butler,

588
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,480
like you know, in a triple threat from the three

589
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,400
point line is not blown by almost anybody, like he

590
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,319
will just get to a more dangerous area. But it'll

591
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,359
be a two foot plant and it'll pump fake fourteen

592
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,039
times and maybe he'll pass and maybe he'll draw fout.

593
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:43,480
It's not He's not blown by anybody. So they are

594
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:49,440
vulnerable there. I just I just again, I would just

595
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:51,720
fall back on like, if you show the Warriors that

596
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,279
look enough times, they will just figure out where you're

597
00:29:55,279 --> 00:30:00,640
weak elsewhere because of it. So like, but that is

598
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,119
to say that length and athleticism will be a huge

599
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,559
problem for them, like the Houstons. I'm stepping on a

600
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,240
question later already again too Houston Minnesota, Okay, see, obviously

601
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,599
like they will present problems like you, they barely beat

602
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:16,519
the Rockets in that series last year, and that Rockets

603
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,799
team was deeply flawed on offense, and it was just

604
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:24,440
because that defense was physically overwhelming. Al Horford is not

605
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,960
solving that right like that that that's gonna be a

606
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,319
wee a pain point for this team. No matter what what.

607
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,079
Speaker 1: Did you make of steps season last year, especially when

608
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:35,960
you kind of juxtaposed the what he and he was

609
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,920
still really good. I want to be clear, you get

610
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,319
the splits like pre and post Butler trade, like he's

611
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,039
at twenty seven plus points, fifty eight percent of his

612
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,519
twos after the Butler trade, forty one percent from three on,

613
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,519
it was like eleven and change attempts per game. Was

614
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,359
it really the I've heard a lot of framing of oh,

615
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640
this was like he hit the give a shit switch,

616
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,240
and like, what how much of it was that? How much?

617
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,759
Is it just boled like the talent around him was better,

618
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,160
so so he got better? And then was is there

619
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,000
any just area of drop off you are kind of

620
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,279
monitoring knowing his age.

621
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:13,279
Speaker 2: I think the explanations, both those explanations are valid. Steph

622
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,119
gives a shit no matter what, though, so I would

623
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200
push back on that one to touch not saying you're

624
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,279
saying that. I think the biggest thing was he was

625
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:25,920
not constantly exhausted because the way the team was constructed

626
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,920
before Butler got there. Now it's always been the case,

627
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,119
but like the defensive attention he got, just there was

628
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,599
no reason not to throw two guys at him all

629
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,960
the time because there just wasn't an outlet that could

630
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,160
do anything with the ball that could threaten the defense.

631
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,359
Like every team was happy to just throw the kitchen

632
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:50,240
sink at Steph and open opportunities up elsewhere because the

633
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,039
Warriors weren't equipped to capitalize on those. So just watching

634
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:57,039
the game, Steph was like just physically and maybe the

635
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:00,000
best conditioned guy in the league exhausted all the time,

636
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,640
And I think Butler being there one allowed him to

637
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,240
rest more and for that rest to be longer. The

638
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,640
free throws are a real thing, Like that does extend

639
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,240
the amount of time that he's on the bench in

640
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,920
real time, and having someone that when you force the

641
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,920
ball out of steps hands, Jimmy Butler is a pretty

642
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,680
good option against the defense that's playing like three on four,

643
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,359
you know. So I think I think it was mostly

644
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,480
that in terms of like drop off, you'd have to

645
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,920
look pretty hard to see any last year. I would say,

646
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,160
like the last five seasons or so, Like his STEP's

647
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,200
rim attempt frequency is a little down, like but his

648
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,839
just last year versus twenty three, twenty four drive frequency

649
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,880
about the same. Like if you're looking for athletic decline stuff,

650
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,480
finishing at the rim pretty much the same. All this

651
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,440
stuff is down from you know, the unanimous MVP and

652
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,839
in the next five years or so, But in terms

653
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,720
of the last five there's not a lot statistically you

654
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,319
could point to and say, oh, you know here it

655
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,440
is here, here's the stat that shows he's slipped. Here

656
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,640
could happen this, It should happen eventually, right, But I

657
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,640
don't think there's a lot of evidence at this point

658
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,759
to say that the that like, we saw signs of

659
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,240
concern last year.

660
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,759
Speaker 1: Which is incredible, and I think honestly, like between him

661
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:19,680
and Lebron and maybe even Kevin Durant, we've probably watching

662
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,880
like three of what the five greatest players to age,

663
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:24,519
Like just as you look at the how well they

664
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,200
play with their aging curve, which is kind of insane. Yeah,

665
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,359
but it's also just all right, well, it's gonna happen

666
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,119
at some point or I can't get out of waiting

667
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,640
for the shooter drop versus just as Andrew Claudio called it,

668
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,960
with Michel Bridges's durability, it's like I see a trend.

669
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,119
I don't see as like they're overdue for something wrong.

670
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,680
But when it comes to aging, it's just so different.

671
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,519
But if you're just going off last season and in theory,

672
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,440
his on court workload should be, if not lighter than easier,

673
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:56,759
like well, like, why is it he gonna be just

674
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,240
as good? But is there a chance that he's just

675
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:00,480
even better at the age of thirty seven, which is insane.

676
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: It's it's I would expect him to be as good,

677
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,200
but you know, because it's hard to be it's hard

678
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:09,480
to say, like, you he can be better getting a

679
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:12,239
year older just because he was. I don't know what.

680
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,079
He didn't make all either of our like all NBA

681
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,199
first team ballots, I don't maybe I actually did put

682
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,639
him on there, but he was the second team. Like, really,

683
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,199
what's amazing is he's playing at a higher level than

684
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,840
Lebron right now. I mean, he's he's a few years younger,

685
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,079
but like, at some point we're gonna have to well, yeah,

686
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:33,159
I believe, Yeah, that's no joke. But yeah, no, I

687
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,760
think I don't see decline and I agree that it's

688
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,599
just absurd that he's still doing this. We should just

689
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:42,599
drink it in while we can.

690
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,039
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, uh, what do you think about Draymond

691
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:47,440
Green season last year?

692
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: That one's a little different from the decline perspective. Third

693
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,119
Defensive Player of the Year had just still is still

694
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,920
just one of the best all around defensive players in

695
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,920
the league, one of the smartest players in the league,

696
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:07,159
he though insane. That's the thing. It's yeah, it's ridiculous

697
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,719
you could. I mean, you can't really have a conversation

698
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,400
about the smartest defensive players of all time without bringing

699
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,679
Draymond up. I'm not saying he is number one, but

700
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,199
it's like, I don't know, the resume is what it is.

701
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,639
He though anecdotally, I would say there were more games

702
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,000
last year where you could pretty quickly surmise, oh, he

703
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,920
doesn't have it tonight, just like from how he was moving,

704
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,559
which is the expectation for guys with his mileage and

705
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:35,880
that have had to play the role that he has,

706
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,039
which is just always against bigger players and or tracking

707
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,880
smaller quicker. Like it's just the mileage is what it is,

708
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,800
So like that would manifest in you know, he isn't

709
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,239
the If you go watch twenty sixteen as a grab

710
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,800
and go defensive rebounder, it was just like lights out.

711
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,079
It just would beat everybody up the floor with the ball.

712
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,519
That's not really you might get one of those every

713
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:04,920
couple games now and then there's there are rebounds now

714
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,320
that elude him that didn't used to. He's still like

715
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,880
a double digit per thirty six rebounder. And for his

716
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,079
size is a great rebounder. But yeah, those are just

717
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,360
a couple of things I noticed last year. I would

718
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,920
expect those to continue to be issues. His two point

719
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,360
finishing is worse. But he's had like crazy fluctuations in

720
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,519
inside the arc field goal percentage over over his career.

721
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:29,960
Like there have been years where he's like a sub

722
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,719
forty percent guy, you know, sub forty five on twos.

723
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,360
He was like fifty one percent last year on twos,

724
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,800
which is way down from the year before, but still

725
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,760
not like, I don't know, that's not crippling. So that's

726
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,280
all to say. If I were picking one of Draymond,

727
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,360
Butler or Steph to really show their age this year,

728
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,159
it would be Draymond just because I think there have

729
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,480
been more signs already.

730
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: Which is tough to score, because I think they view

731
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,320
him and have for at least the past few years,

732
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,840
is that's not someone they want playing thirty minutes a game. Yeah,

733
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,119
and you're going to say that about Al Horford as well.

734
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,000
I mean, like you can't get away with not playing

735
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,039
Steph for Jimmy thirty minutes a game on this probably

736
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,440
don't think, Yeah, And so like that is sort of

737
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,320
a like a concern with the This isn't a Draymond

738
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,199
Green specific concern, but becomes a concern specific to the

739
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,920
entire roster, where it's like, right, if two of your

740
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,840
like four most important players or two of your six

741
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,000
most important players, you don't want playing that many minutes.

742
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,679
Like what is the margin for error here? Really it's not.

743
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: High, Uh, I mean, that's that's that's priced in, I

744
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,800
think too. One of the things I've been kind of

745
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,400
one of the ways I'm thinking about this team is

746
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:50,400
that they're so limited in just general like shot creation,

747
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:56,880
that you almost have to have two of Steph Butler

748
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,199
Draymond Horford on the floor at all times, because if

749
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,480
it's just one, it's probably not enough, and if it's zero, man,

750
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:07,719
the offense can look really bad. So not only do

751
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,559
you need to like be careful with minutes, but you also,

752
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,000
like I don't think like all all bench units for

753
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,599
this team are gonna get their ass kicked like fairly often. Now,

754
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,199
they might run hot and win some of those minutes,

755
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,159
but like, in general, I really think they got to

756
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,840
have a couple of those four vets on the floor

757
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,719
almost all the time to like just keep just keep

758
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,360
your your floor from falling out.

759
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: After having watched Pajemski for a couple of years now

760
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,159
and then seeing him kind of when he came back

761
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,480
from the was that the abdominal or core injury or

762
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,800
whatever he had, he was really good, Like the final

763
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,039
thirty plus games of this season. Is there any chance

764
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,599
of him maybe filling Are we not giving enough credit

765
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,239
to the idea that he when you just look at like,

766
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,400
I love those like idiosyncratic players and there's like a

767
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,760
like a we a whack a doodle in this Uh?

768
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,320
Is there a chance for him to fill any of

769
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,119
that shock creation?

770
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: Boyd boy, they want him to like, they like that.

771
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,480
That's one of the main things to keep an eye

772
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,559
on this year is can he improve as a creator

773
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,840
for himself and for other players? And that's gonna my

774
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,159
sense is it's gonna be very difficult for him to

775
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,679
do that because he, like a lot of guys on

776
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,400
this team, just isn't quick enough or big enough to

777
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,440
like really just just win individual matchups like get all

778
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,639
the way to the basket on a layup, for example,

779
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,400
is like very hard for him. He one of the

780
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,599
things that makes him such a quirky player is he'll

781
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,519
come to a stop in the lane, pivot several times,

782
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,400
you know, do a lot of up and unders and

783
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,440
step throughs, and he's got a slow step. Now he's

784
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,719
like credit him. He's looking everywhere for ways to be

785
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,280
more of a reliable shot generator. I think I think

786
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,719
he's a winning player. I think he helps on both ends.

787
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:54,239
I just I haven't seen evidence that he's gonna be

788
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,760
a reliable Okay, Pods has the ball, he can make

789
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,800
something happen with it, like for himself or for other guys,

790
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,360
like consistently. I just think athletically he's not He's not

791
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,960
quite He's a combo guard right, Like he's not a

792
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,199
point guard. And that is an issue with this team

793
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,400
is is they need him to do more point guard stuff,

794
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,679
which is just like beat your guy, you know, for

795
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,679
for example, pick and roll, get a great shot for

796
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,039
somebody that's not so far a strength of his.

797
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: You you just made me think of this. Is there

798
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,719
a player that fits his physical profile that has ever

799
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,599
then been able to do that, because it's like you

800
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,960
can talk about slower players being able to run offense,

801
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,840
but they're usually have like real side, they're either operating

802
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,760
from the post or it's just like they can get

803
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,599
to that step back three and get their shots off

804
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,480
over everyone. But when you're talking about someone in that

805
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,719
what like six three six two sixty four range who

806
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,360
is not very athletic, like isn't gonna get by it,

807
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,440
Like he almost feels like I think, I don't think.

808
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,599
I think this does him a disservice. But it's almost

809
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,239
the equivalent of if you wanted him to run a

810
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,320
half court set. It's, oh, are you asking shorter Kyle

811
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,119
Anderson to do it a little bit?

812
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,559
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. That's obviously I know you know

813
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:10,360
that's like an extreme one, but I'm trying to think of, yeah, well,

814
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,000
that just illustrates the difficulty of like what the team

815
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:17,039
needs him to be. Like the best, best version of

816
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,719
this Warriors team has someone in Pajemski's role that can

817
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,320
get to the paint whenever he wants, you know, and

818
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,440
like that, Like I will say in the preseason game

819
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,960
against Portland LJ.

820
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:30,519
Speaker 1: L J.

821
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: Cryer, who is not a person I had ever heard

822
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,159
of and will not play minutes on this team. It's

823
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:41,519
just a small athletic point guard and him being able

824
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:46,679
to just touch paint or you know quickly, like like

825
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,960
explode off a screen was like so noticeable because they

826
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,920
the Warriors don't have that guy. Again not an NBA player,

827
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,079
but that particular skill set just is not on this roster.

828
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,320
So yeah, I don't I don't know what the comp

829
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,159
for Pajemski would be. Again, like all the numbers say

830
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,000
it and the eye tests he like you, you do

831
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,760
well when he's on the floor, generally speaking, unless he's

832
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,400
someone you're counting on to run your offense, like that's

833
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,039
that's been beyond him so far.

834
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Are you going to be speaking at Quinton Post Hall

835
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:21,159
of Fame induction.

836
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,159
Speaker 2: Due I want to. I'm not gonna spoil my prediction

837
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:31,119
coming later, so uh he so, yes, yes, I hope.

838
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,559
So I was an early adopter. I was in right away.

839
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,079
I hope. I hope I'm asked and I will accept

840
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:39,960
if asked.

841
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,199
Speaker 1: So with him, are we just like to assume when

842
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,559
you look at the makeup of the road, like is

843
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,960
he penciled in or sharp eating it's like this is

844
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960
the third big, Like this is just the behind Raymond

845
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,440
and Al Horford, Like he's the first big they're gonna

846
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,199
turn to, unless you're considering Johnathan can make a big.

847
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,599
Speaker 2: Jonathan gimming It does not consider himself a big, So

848
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:02,559
how dare you? Uh he Yeah, I think so. I

849
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,280
think because the alternatives Trace Jackson Davis, who again started

850
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,920
some games for them last year, is probably not probably

851
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:14,719
because coming hasn't shown facility for this. But he's the

852
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,639
best pick and roll finisher, like he can go up

853
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:21,320
and get a lob, decent sneaky passer sometimes, but like

854
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,119
the Warriors just have never won his minutes, and he's

855
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:28,760
not a good defender, is a little undersized, like so,

856
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,599
so TJD just is like a fourth big I think,

857
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,119
like he's not a rotation guy necessarily, and he won't.

858
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,559
There will be a lot of games where he just

859
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:41,000
doesn't play, probably unless it's already decided. So yeah, post

860
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:45,039
I think is gonna play a fair amount, and you're

861
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,760
gonna have to insulate him with other defenders, certainly if

862
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,320
he's out there against like opposing starters. But that shooting Dan,

863
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,440
that shootings legit, like that's you know, nine plus attempts

864
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,039
per thirty six. He's a forty percent guy. Guys look

865
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,000
for him, and he he understands the of the playoff.

866
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:01,079
Speaker 1: Some curious Yeah, no.

867
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I mean, we're talking against like real

868
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,599
like starting units. It's harder, I think against backups, especially

869
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,960
if you just I don't know why this would be

870
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,239
the case, but if if you don't treat him like

871
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,079
a guy that just is gonna shoot it every time

872
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,320
he touches it and loves to shoot and wants to

873
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,000
get him up from three like he will he's he'll burn,

874
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,559
Like he really is that good of a shooter. I think, like, so, yeah,

875
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,519
he's he's a specialist, but uh, you can't. You can't

876
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:33,280
say a specialist without special Dan very special?

877
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: Wow? Is there anything else though that like you're monitoring

878
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,679
that you could see him developing or like getting better

879
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,599
at or like providing this additional layer of production.

880
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: I think physical tools wise, he's pretty limited, Like he's

881
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,039
not very mobile. He plays very small defensively for a

882
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:56,159
seven footer. One thing I said about him last year

883
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:02,039
and and it's still true, is that like he understands

884
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,480
what he's supposed to as a rookie. Even he understood

885
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,400
like what he was supposed to do on defense where

886
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,360
he was supposed to be. And the thing I love

887
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,480
so much about him is that like he would screw

888
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,159
up a lot, and he would know, he knew it.

889
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,440
He would always know, and he would know what the

890
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,159
mistake was, and like bad body language, he would be

891
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,159
angry at himself. And so I kind of like that

892
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,280
to me is someone that I think will get as

893
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,519
much as he possibly can out of his limited physical

894
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,159
tools on defense because like he's gonna try to do

895
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,880
the right thing and he understands what it is, so

896
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,960
like maybe he gets better just positionally, or maybe he

897
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,519
gets better as a verticality kind of you know.

898
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: Rim protection numbers were actually pretty good last year.

899
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: It's it's like I think, because he understood, like he's

900
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,039
not an he doesn't play defense like well, I don't

901
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,400
know if I should say that, because he does make mistakes. Again,

902
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,199
he knows when the mistakes are made and he knows

903
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:02,480
what they are, so I trust him to correct those

904
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,159
because it's not like, you know, Draymond's gonna shut up

905
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,239
about it, like he's gonna he's if he doesn't know

906
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,119
he's made a mistake, he will be made aware of.

907
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: It the end of the playoffs. Notwithstanding, we saw Moses

908
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,079
Moody yet like a pretty steady role with the Dubbs

909
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:21,559
last year, where are you sort of just at with him?

910
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,079
Speaker 2: He's he's a really important player for them this year

911
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:32,679
because they don't have another wing sized guy who, in

912
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,679
theory is like a fairly high volume three point shooter

913
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,400
that you would also trust to defend like a legit

914
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,960
opposing two or three. Like that was the Wiggins role

915
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,920
for a long time, and that's not a role Kaminga

916
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960
can fill. And so Moody's kind of like he used to.

917
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,840
I remember we talked about this might have been I

918
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,000
don't know when it was, maybe a year ago, maybe

919
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,400
more than that, Like why doesn't Moody get more time?

920
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,599
And my answer was like, because whatever they need Moody

921
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:04,119
to do, there's like there's somebody that's better at that thing.

922
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,400
So like it would be Gary Payton would be your

923
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,519
on ball defender. He's better than Moody at that you'd have.

924
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,960
I don't know, Wiggins was a better three and D guy. Uh,

925
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,000
just there was always somebody, and now those somebodies are

926
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,239
kind of gone or have aged out a little bit

927
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,960
in like Peyton's case for example.

928
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,039
Speaker 1: So he's the only three and D possibility on this roster.

929
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like and I think that's an

930
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,199
important piece to have on this team. So his role,

931
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,280
It's funny, like his minutes per game have gone up

932
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,760
incrementally every year, as have his points, as have his

933
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,800
free throws per hundred, as have his threes. So like

934
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,360
he he's incrementally getting better. He just he needs to

935
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,320
be I think, closer to like thirty eight thirty nine

936
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,800
percent from three than he's he's been like thirty six

937
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,280
thirty seven. There's a thirty four I think in there.

938
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,920
So but like there's nobody else to do what they

939
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,559
need him to do, so I think I think all

940
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,360
by default and by like on some level merit because

941
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,400
he's earned it. Like he's the complete opposite of Kamingo,

942
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,920
where he's just like, what do you want me to do?

943
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,599
I'll do it. So I think he's gonna I guess

944
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:13,880
I'm not gonna spoil the lineup talk we'll have later.

945
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,920
But I think he has to play a big role,

946
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:18,440
and I'm I'm on the fence as to whether like

947
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:21,639
he can be starter level successful in it. I think

948
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:22,320
it's possible.

949
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: What is the bigger concern him on defense or him offensively?

950
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: That's that's a good question. I think offensively, He's not

951
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:39,559
gonna be asked to do much, so I think because

952
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,880
he's gonna essentially be a spacing threat that maybe cuts

953
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,599
like you you they can't you can't ask him to

954
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:47,880
to dribble like, he's just not someone that's gonna do that.

955
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:55,360
So I think he's somewhat of I mean, if he

956
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,760
could move like Nie Smith, we really have something defensively,

957
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,840
I think offensively maybe just like again I said it already,

958
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,639
really like disruptive hands, like guys dribbling up the floor.

959
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,119
He seems to like poke it away once or twice

960
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,599
the game, doesn't always get the ball, but like kind

961
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:16,280
of is annoying laterally though and vertically he's just not

962
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:20,360
like he's not as athletic as you'd want someone to

963
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,880
be in that position. So maybe defense is where just

964
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,800
considering the types of guys he's gonna have to guard,

965
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,599
is where like that's that's a pretty big, like pivot point.

966
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:33,960
He's how effectively can he guard some of the matchups

967
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000
he's gonna have to see this year?

968
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:40,079
Speaker 1: Does that concern span more to like, how how do

969
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,800
you feel about him going up against smaller let's say,

970
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,719
like ball handlers versus like some of the bigger power

971
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,199
wings or forwards. It feels like this is watching him.

972
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,519
I feel like physically I should be saying that I

973
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:55,920
feel better about him being on like a DeMar de

974
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,719
Rosen type or just like a bigger wing type forward.

975
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,639
I don't like the just like the vibe of it is,

976
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:04,679
I don't I feel like he might be better suited

977
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,559
to going up against the smaller players. Is that like,

978
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:08,519
am I missing here?

979
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,559
Speaker 2: You know, I'm struggling to like to. I think he's

980
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:18,119
kind of vulnerable sometimes against both, but like his length,

981
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:20,480
he does he get again like he does use his

982
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:23,480
length like pretty well. So I don't think you're wrong

983
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,119
to sort of if you're imagining Moody matched up against

984
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:29,119
like I don't know, immanual quickly or something like a

985
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,480
not a huge guard like I think he's okay there,

986
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,400
which again like you don't want you want Steph hidden somewhere.

987
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,199
So Moody's gonna get like kind of the Klay Thompson

988
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,679
role right where Pete Clay would just guard whoever was

989
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,880
more dangerous at the one or the two, often the one,

990
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:49,719
So that'll be Moody's job. So he's never gonna have

991
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,679
to guard. I don't think he's gonna guard the power

992
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,559
Wings because that's Jimmy Butler, that's Draymon whatever, and that's

993
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:58,920
Horford On switches. So yeah, I think it's maybe a

994
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,960
good thing that Quin's post on switches to Quinn post

995
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,800
There he went, uh yeah, I think Moody will be

996
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,639
okay against smaller guards. But I'm not, like, I don't

997
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:10,000
love it.

998
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,559
Speaker 1: Who grabs more rebounds for this team? G Santos or Quintin.

999
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: Posts G Santo's agent of chaos. That guy I was

1000
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,760
talking to Sucking, a friend of the podibility the other day,

1001
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,119
and uh G Santos. Dan is an event creator. When

1002
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:27,280
he's on the floor, like things occur, like he was just.

1003
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,679
Speaker 1: Like Robin Hood provides like these prediction markets to call

1004
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,920
event contracts a sorry.

1005
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah he's uh he should get a get a tie in.

1006
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,320
Yeah he's He's just a pure hustle guy that actually

1007
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,639
can shoot a little bit. I wouldn't. I think he's

1008
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,039
no higher than like a tenth or eleventh on the

1009
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,320
depth charts. I was gonna ask, is is he is

1010
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,760
there a chance he becomes more into gral than like

1011
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,159
a GP two is Seth Curry maybe even a Melton

1012
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:56,199
like upon Melton's return. Yeah, Melton's a wild card given health.

1013
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,440
I think I don't think Curry's going to see a

1014
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,960
ton of minutes because like you have healed for that

1015
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,599
role essentially, and Buddy Heeld never ever misses games, so

1016
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,960
that that's kind of spoken for you. Look though, Jimmy

1017
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,199
Butler's if Jimmy Butler plays sixty games, I mean one,

1018
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,119
that's probably on the high end. Draymond saying Santos will

1019
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,159
have nights where he is in the rotation for sure,

1020
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,440
and for him it's like he's always gonna hustle. It's

1021
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,159
just if he's gonna hit you know, two of the

1022
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:28,639
four threes he gets up or zero, that's gonna go

1023
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,719
a long way towards determining how helpful he is.

1024
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,599
Speaker 1: This isn't necessarily basketball related, but do you assign any

1025
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,079
significance to the Steve Kerr contract situation?

1026
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: I mean it is, I guess a fraction of the

1027
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,280
significance you would assign to someone in any other situation

1028
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,079
than this one, where I do think he's there for

1029
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,440
as long as he wants to be, which is probably

1030
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,159
two years, because that's that's just how the contracts are

1031
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,519
set up to expire for Steph and Draymond. So no,

1032
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:03,480
I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't think it's

1033
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,880
anything like if this season goes poorly, they're gonna look

1034
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,239
elsewhere for next year's coach, like one good luck in

1035
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,239
that past, Stephan Draymond, right, Like that's they're just gonna

1036
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,760
that's a hard veto So if I think Kurr's there

1037
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,440
for as long as he wants to be, whatever the

1038
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,480
contract status is.

1039
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: See, I didn't even think Ivy, that is like the

1040
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:24,719
nuclear perspective, like is Mike Dunlevy trying to just like

1041
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,480
leave his own mark on the other like he would

1042
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,360
get rid of Steve Kerr. I I took it as like, oh,

1043
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,760
does he maybe know something about like the future, a

1044
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,679
media future, this core that we do.

1045
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,599
Speaker 2: Not well, well maybe I I've always thought like he

1046
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:40,519
and and he kind of put the lie of this

1047
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,159
Kurr did when asked answering the question you just posted

1048
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,559
me of like he still loves it, he wants this

1049
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,000
is what he wants to do. He's excited to come

1050
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:49,760
to work like all this stuff he's always said. But

1051
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,480
I've always kind of thought in the back of my mind,

1052
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:54,480
like he's someone that he could go do a lot

1053
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,639
of other things, right, Like he could go back to TV,

1054
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,679
no problem, he could just who knows. He maybe he

1055
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,679
has like social justice interests that he would rather pursue.

1056
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,920
Like that's definitely it, Like that's what his father was

1057
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,079
very much like that kind of guy, and I think

1058
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,400
he is built the same way. So yeah, Like I

1059
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,679
don't know if it's like he's he knows that that

1060
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,360
there's something like this roster is. I think he understands

1061
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,079
like the age here, like he literally as a player,

1062
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:27,679
like lived through pretty close to this situation. So I

1063
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,400
just think he's keeping his options open because he knows

1064
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,320
he has a lot that are not involved, that don't

1065
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,559
involve coaching. I think Eric Spolser being like already tabbed

1066
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:38,800
as the next Olympic coach, it's like, okay, that's one

1067
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,800
step back for Kerr. That was like something that was

1068
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,440
known to happen. But you know, I think he's just

1069
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,679
that's the right approach for this team, right, Like, let's

1070
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:48,760
see how it goes. Well, we're not signing on for

1071
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,960
six years. Who knows what this team is gonna look

1072
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,800
like in three.

1073
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: Well, it's just weird because as a coach, it's just

1074
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,840
like you don't count against the salary cap, So if

1075
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,440
they're willing to pay you, and like you like, I

1076
00:54:58,559 --> 00:54:59,159
just don't.

1077
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: Feel do you think it's do you think it's the

1078
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,039
team hasn't offered something?

1079
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: But that's my point is like if he's not, if

1080
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,159
he's the one who's making the decision, is to I

1081
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,920
want to just go through this season and see how

1082
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,480
it goes. I want to know why, because he could

1083
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:15,760
just play it. You just sign something and play it

1084
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,320
on a year to year basis if you really want

1085
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,880
I find it. I think I just find it like

1086
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,239
a tad more fascinating than you do. The logic here.

1087
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,079
It's not that I view him as a lame duck coach.

1088
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,280
I'm just like, well, he's going to lose.

1089
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: The locker room.

1090
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,559
Speaker 1: Look, I won't put anything past the team that has JK,

1091
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:34,800
Jimmy Butler and Draymard.

1092
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,559
Speaker 2: That's true, noted noted malcoontent Steph Curry could turn on

1093
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:39,400
him at any time.

1094
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: I just I'm just curious. It's like where his head

1095
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,679
is at, more so than what was the organization thinking?

1096
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: It is unusual, right, like the lame duck thing is.

1097
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,159
Teams avoid that at all costs. Generally speaking, they always

1098
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:55,360
fire the guy in this situation if they're not sure.

1099
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,119
So it is, it's notable. You're right?

1100
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the cookie cutter port of

1101
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,119
the podcast? Sir?

1102
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,199
Speaker 2: Yeah? Even though it means we're almost done, I guess.

1103
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,599
Speaker 1: Well you could find a way to turn it into

1104
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:08,400
another record.

1105
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: I feel like I already have gone too long, you know.

1106
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at this roster on paper right now,

1107
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:16,280
without having seen a regular season game. What is the

1108
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,000
single biggest need that the Dubs have.

1109
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: I've touched on it already. I think it's an on

1110
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,119
ball threat that can break the paint, bend the defense,

1111
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,840
win point of attack matchups like that kind of thing.

1112
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,199
Like they just don't have that guy.

1113
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: You just I feel like you just described an all star.

1114
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:34,519
Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be an All Star. It could

1115
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:35,920
be who's like the.

1116
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: Don't say Derek White because that's basically.

1117
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,559
Speaker 2: No, But I will say like Kobe White, like you know,

1118
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,639
someone of that level. Maybe even he's not. It doesn't

1119
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:47,760
need to be who's just like, there's got to be

1120
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,760
like a mid level guy that could do it well.

1121
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: What I think becomes an interesting question there is if

1122
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,639
you are to go if you want someone who's good

1123
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,840
enough to be in your rotation, you have to give

1124
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,559
up something to get them, and they obviously have assets,

1125
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:05,719
But how do you go about acquiring something like that

1126
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,679
when I would argue they might not be in your

1127
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,679
closing lineup, like there's players that would, but like a

1128
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,599
Derek White would probably be in your closing lineup, but

1129
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,280
that's like that's a different tier. Like a Kobe White

1130
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,480
is a perfect example in the sense of would he

1131
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:24,400
be in the Warriors' playoff closing lineup? I know maybe

1132
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,800
sometimes probably not though.

1133
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think so at all. But that's

1134
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,920
just like, well, neither is Jonathan Kaminga. And that's the

1135
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,800
piece you're going to use to go get the type

1136
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,519
of player we're talking about. So yeah, like I mean, sure,

1137
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,559
ideally another star would be would be great and if

1138
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,280
he can do those things, awesome, it's just just the

1139
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,159
athleticism to break down a defender in a one on

1140
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:50,360
one situation, like in a downhill kind of way, that

1141
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,679
just I just I don't and that doesn't need.

1142
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:57,199
Speaker 1: To be like, ah, like a Devin what about what

1143
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:59,320
if you can get Devin Vessel. I don't know why this.

1144
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: He doesn't do that though, really like he's probably not

1145
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,280
getting all the way of the basket, I mean honestly

1146
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,079
as well, again this is a star, but and he's

1147
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,159
actually not that great at this anymore. But like Fox,

1148
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,360
just someone that's like you shade help to him because

1149
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,840
he's probably gonna beat his guy in a one on

1150
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,480
one matchup.

1151
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Wait what fo?

1152
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:18,679
Speaker 2: I was just you were on the Spurs and I

1153
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:20,360
was trying to think of, like, well, who's the thickest

1154
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:20,719
on ball.

1155
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:22,719
Speaker 1: He's not a star anymore.

1156
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: You just said no, no, no, I'm saying he's not as

1157
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,519
good used five years ago. Fox was like you can't

1158
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:30,840
stay in front of him. But now it's like he's

1159
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,559
shooting a lot of pollus.

1160
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,639
Speaker 1: Like he made it the entire podcast, not saying anything

1161
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:36,880
in flammatory like Darren Fox is like an age.

1162
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,679
Speaker 2: No, he's a Max player Dan obviously Like, but you know,

1163
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,400
I was trying to think of someone who just like

1164
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,639
you can't stay in front of.

1165
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: You said breakdown. That's like Norman Powell is not really

1166
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,639
a good example there. That's like a weird name to

1167
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,480
have to find what about and hard to do enough

1168
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:52,000
of that for you.

1169
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,239
Speaker 2: I don't think I know he's a great defender. I

1170
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:59,000
don't know about offensively. I mean, like just because I

1171
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:01,559
can only think about players on teams you're mentioning like

1172
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:05,400
TJ McConnell plays pretty fast, Like what if it were him?

1173
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,320
What if he were your backup point guard instead of

1174
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,519
pajem Ski like Austin Reeves? H, I want quicker? Who's

1175
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,239
just where are these guys? Do these players exist anymore?

1176
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:21,039
Why can't we think of anybody Dillingham the idea of

1177
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:22,400
Rob Dillingham.

1178
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Speaker 1: The idea of Rob Dillingham. Uh So, what is something

1179
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about this team that's flying under the radar that you

1180
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,320
think deserves to have more of a spotlight on it? Uh?

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Speaker 2: I just thought of this this morning because I was

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trying to come up with something semi interesting. So I

1183
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,920
think maybe this is a not just this year thing

1184
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:45,199
and this will play to you Who's always been more like,

1185
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,559
let's they need to go get the guy because the

1186
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:52,440
Steph's prime is finite type of thing, like go get somebody.

1187
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,679
And I was always like, well, I don't know. I

1188
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:55,239
don't know about Jimmy Butler. I don't know if he's

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gonna fit like that kind of thing. I think the

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lesson is they've gone after two huge players in like

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01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,840
the last whatever ten years. The one was Kevin Durant

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and the others Jimmy Butler, and they both fit like

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,000
perfectly right, and they could not be more different as

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as like the type of superstars they are. So I

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01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,079
think the lesson is probably that, like the Warriors never

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01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:22,440
needed to be this picky because between Steph and Draymond,

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01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:26,199
they have like it's an oxymoron, but like the two

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most complimentary superstars of all time, where it's just like

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01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,840
what is like Steph's not taking your game away if

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you're a superstar, He's making it better. Same with Draymond,

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01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,920
other than the spacing thing, and even that's worked with Butler.

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So like I think the lesson that the takeaway is

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that they could have gone after like you name it,

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01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,599
like I don't know, DeMar de Rosen at some point

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,920
like anybody, and it's just like it would it would

1206
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,199
have worked because those two guys just allow whatever superstar

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,239
you bring in to like do the thing they're best

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01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,039
at and they make that guy better, you know what

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01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,199
I mean. Like I think I think there's a case

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to be made that they should have taken bigger swings sooner,

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right because it's like the two they've taken they worked,

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and those guys are like diametric opposites in terms of

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how they play.

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Speaker 1: It's like their bigger swings in the draft really haven't

1215
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:18,480
worked out. But when they're like incorporating like these established players,

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01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,519
they have worked out. And I would echo that they

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01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,599
probably could have made bigger swing sooner, or they should

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01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:25,039
at least when you're outlining their biggest needs right now,

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01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:27,039
like they should maybe factor that into the equations, Like

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this guy doesn't really check all our boxes, but look

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01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:29,719
at what's happen.

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Speaker 2: Just do it. Yeah, just do it. It's worked if

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01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,679
it's your two for two in your superstar swings, So yeah,

1224
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:35,480
I think that's right.

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01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: I am tasking you with building a ten man rotation

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01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:42,039
for this team. Who is your starting lineup and then

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01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:44,320
who will be the five most used reserves.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go mostly with I'm gonna lean towards

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01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,880
what I think it'll be, and I guess that that

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excu is pretty close to what I think it should be.

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So it's very similar to what you provided on the

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outline with one key difference. I think you're starters right

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now today. Obviously there's non negotiable Steph Butler, Draymond Horford,

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they're starting, what about bringing Steph off the bench and

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like this, Yes, you know that's what I was gonna

1236
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get to. That was that was my bold prediction. Is

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he's gonna They're gonna preserve him. They want to get

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seven more years out of him. So fifteen minutes a.

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Speaker 1: Night, so star Quenton post, yeah, right.

1240
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he replicates the spacing and then some so

1241
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:28,559
similar gravity really uh So the fifth starter I think

1242
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right now is probably Moody, and that's mainly because of

1243
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the defense stuff, the three and D stuff, the and

1244
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and the fact that unless you really mess with it.

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I think Pajemski still, even though I just dumped on

1246
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,440
his ability to do this, he's the closest thing to

1247
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,480
someone that can run a second unit that they have,

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So I think I think for now Pajemski may make

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01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,679
more sense off the bench, and then after him, Buddy

1250
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:03,159
Healed obviously kaminga Quinton posts. Those are the four I

1251
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think pretty clear bench guys. The tenth guy it is

1252
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,360
probably Melton if and when he's healthy and then it.

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01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:15,320
But prior to that, I think Kerr is, you know,

1254
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:18,280
I think it's just gonna mess around. So like GP

1255
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,599
two will definitely have Knights in the rotation. Santos same thing.

1256
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:26,239
Tj D is probably kind of behind those three just

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because they're not going to need four bigs most nights.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't have to be a Quentin post

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Is shooting below forty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, or if the league is like this guy's

1261
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:39,519
too good, you can't use him anymore basketball reasons. Yeah, yeah,

1262
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so probably Melton as the tenth guy, but who knows,

1263
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right coming off the ACL, he's still not ready, so

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we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I had not given a lot of thought to Moody

1266
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,039
as a starter, even though I recognize like the value

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01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,280
he needs to bring to them on defense, because I

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01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,199
kind of thought that, Okay, the spacing is like this

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shot might be there, but it's like what are defense

1270
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,320
is going to treat it like? And Buddy Heald would

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have been just that's a five alarm fire still, right,

1272
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And so that makes it easier for Draymond Jimmy Butler.

1273
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,760
But the more I think about it, if you were

1274
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,760
like thinking from an optimization perspective of Jonathan Kaminga putting

1275
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,360
him in the bet having like Pods coming off the

1276
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,440
bench with Buddy Heald also coming off the bench, with

1277
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Quinton Post coming off the bench, like that's a lot

1278
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:23,280
of like complimentary talent for him specifically.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a factor too. And really again, like

1280
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,559
if you, I guess maybe the argument for starting Pods

1281
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:33,639
and then having Moody on the second unit is then

1282
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:37,119
Kaminga becomes like the only guy that that should be

1283
01:04:37,159 --> 01:04:39,639
handling the ball very much, and maybe that's what he wants.

1284
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And maybe that's circling all the way back, like how

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01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,639
you up his value and get the most production from him.

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They may try that, I mean, and Pajemski has missed

1287
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:51,360
time in both seasons so far, so there will be

1288
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,440
nights where like that is just what happens. Probably I

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,519
still would. I'm very skeptical about all bench units on

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01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:01,960
this team though, so I think realistically there'll be a

1291
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,079
fair amount of staggering where you're gonna have a starter

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or two out there like almost all the time until

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garbage time.

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Speaker 1: Friend of the podcast Bill asked me to ask you

1295
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:16,000
this question, is there a chance that Al Horford comes

1296
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:20,039
for Draymond Green's starting spot. I think the implication being like,

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would they ever just run like dual real bigs?

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Speaker 2: So it's so or.

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Speaker 1: You're bringing Draymond off the bench and you're starting like

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,000
Moody end pods or Moody end healed or something.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the argument for that is you

1302
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,519
can get to five well, Butler's still there. So I

1303
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:41,119
don't know if you call that a five out, but

1304
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,760
close with the Knicks would call five out. Yeah, exactly.

1305
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:48,880
I don't know, I think if I mean, I think

1306
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,119
they're both gonna start, so I feel like I can

1307
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:57,239
just like dodge the question that way. Yeah, it's hard

1308
01:05:57,239 --> 01:05:59,480
for me to imagine that because you don't I don't

1309
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,719
know what value I guess maybe as a facilitator with

1310
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,880
Draymond playing more with backups that because I've just said

1311
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,679
they don't have shot creators. Yeah, I don't know.

1312
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like Draymond is more likely to

1313
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:15,000
get traded than to even if you're staggering them and

1314
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:17,280
he's like facilitating with the backups, then for him to

1315
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,159
be coming off the bench, that's what I think, I agree,

1316
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:23,239
because even then he's still not certainly not the guy

1317
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,199
that's just gonna break his band.

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Speaker 2: Down off the dribble. That's just like not ever something

1319
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:31,480
he's done. So he'll play the handoff game with Kaminga

1320
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:34,199
I guess, like or whoever else and move the ball.

1321
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:36,280
But yeah, I don't know about that.

1322
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: What will be this team's most used crunch timelineup? I'm

1323
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,400
assuming it's another situation to where Okay, the four guys

1324
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,079
are entrenched and they might futzon fiddle with that fifth guy.

1325
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 2: So this is where I think Pods comes back into

1326
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,079
the picture, same four key guys, and then I think

1327
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,880
in the interest of another like, he's a better shot

1328
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,440
creator than Moody is, and there's a great chance that

1329
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:04,159
he just outshoots him too, So you're the spacing element

1330
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,960
you want, is there? I think in crunch time especially,

1331
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,480
you're gonna want as many guys that can punish defenses

1332
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:15,840
for for overloading to Steph as possible, and Pajemsky's like,

1333
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,920
I think, just better equipped to do that than Moody,

1334
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:19,880
So I could see him closing with the with the

1335
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:20,800
four vets.

1336
01:07:22,119 --> 01:07:25,079
Speaker 1: Is there a weirdo or excuse me, whack a doodle lineup?

1337
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:27,760
Rebranded by Sarah Toada, The Desert News shut out there

1338
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,239
that you want, Steve Kurda try.

1339
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: I have a couple. Uh. One is everybody can shoot,

1340
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,800
which is Steph, Buddy, Moody, Horford and Post. That's kind

1341
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:37,119
of fun.

1342
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't even think you could get to like and

1343
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,199
everybody can shoot. Lineup with the Warriors, well, I like

1344
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:43,760
Seth has to go in there.

1345
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,119
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't even think about that. Uh yeah, that

1346
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:48,679
might be that might have to he might have to

1347
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:51,719
go in for Moody in that look. And then there's

1348
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:57,639
a chaos lineup which is GP two, Melton Pods, Santos, Draymond,

1349
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:03,280
where everybody's sure, but it's chaos Dan, everyone agitates everyone.

1350
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,360
Uh there's so many deflections they can't score at all,

1351
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:09,840
so they're just gonna have to run. So that's kind

1352
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,559
of fun. And then because we have to do this

1353
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:15,480
a super size, I think you have Butler at the one,

1354
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:19,159
Moody two, Draymond three, Horford four, Post five.

1355
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Speaker 1: You took mine? Was that it? I did want to

1356
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:22,319
see it.

1357
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:26,520
Speaker 2: That was mine because like, oh, there's no point guard.

1358
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,680
Well there's like all five yeah, four of them can

1359
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,840
bring the ball over half court and from then it's just,

1360
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you know, you're just swinging it around and trying to

1361
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find shots.

1362
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Speaker 1: So I wonder what it would look like if you

1363
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put Jonathan kaminga in Quentin Post or Moody spot of like,

1364
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I'd probably say I just wanted to be ultra bigs, Like,

1365
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let's put him in for Moody? What is that?

1366
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,159
Speaker 2: Right? Like? Because then you're then you're like, what six it?

1367
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,560
I guess Draymon's the shortest guy by quite a bit

1368
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in that group. Maybe Butler, I don't know. Yeah, that's

1369
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a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I hope we see the one that you outlaid. Though,

1371
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before we get to predictions, is there anything anyone else

1372
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,319
about this team we haven't discussed that you think warrants

1373
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:09,039
some discussion.

1374
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: That we haven't discussed. We've covered a fair amount of ground.

1375
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Speaker 1: But well, do you want to repeat anything? If you

1376
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,159
want to repeat anything you said, feel free.

1377
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,239
Speaker 2: Well, the two things that I flagged before I realized

1378
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:21,840
we were going to hit him earlier. It's just a

1379
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,239
really big year for Pajemski, not just because like we're

1380
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:27,279
going to be looking at extensions a year from now,

1381
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,399
but just because of what they need on on offense.

1382
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,279
And like, you know, I'm not I'm not super optimistic,

1383
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but I think he has the best chance to be

1384
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:42,640
the guy that can facilitate and and you know, be

1385
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,800
a real on and off ball threat. So big, big

1386
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,920
deal for him to just show he's more than like

1387
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a really good on the margins like contributor to winning,

1388
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,720
Like can you do the conspicuous stuff offensively? We'll see

1389
01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,680
And then I think we've alluded to it. Just the

1390
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,239
general lack of athleticism on this team is like staggering,

1391
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especially in the starting five where whether it's Pods or

1392
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:11,960
Moody that's at the two, like you don't really have

1393
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,039
not really, you don't even have anything close to like

1394
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,560
an above average like run and jump athlete, partly because

1395
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four of those dudes are on the wrong side of

1396
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thirty five, but also because even like Moody and Pajemski

1397
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:31,600
are not above average, you know, conventional athletes. So it's

1398
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,840
it's been a long time since we've seen a very

1399
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good team that's like this slow and groundbound. So I

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01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,039
don't know what that's gonna result in, but just something

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01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:42,680
to note.

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Speaker 1: So, how many games do you have the Warriors winning

1403
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,439
and where do you see them landing in the larger

1404
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,399
context of the Western Conference for the for the regular season.

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:57,159
Speaker 2: So I I'm gonna tell you about my journey. You ready.

1406
01:10:58,119 --> 01:11:01,079
A couple of weeks ago, I said forty seven, And

1407
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:03,960
that's just because I couldn't get past the collective age

1408
01:11:04,119 --> 01:11:06,960
of their best players and what that meant for like

1409
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,640
just a full season of availability. I'm bumping that to

1410
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:17,920
forty nine because I just I think that the best

1411
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,840
minutes for this team when everybody's healthy, are going to

1412
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,640
be as good as anyone in the West except for

1413
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,960
Oklahoma City. They played it like a sixty win pace

1414
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:31,159
with Butler last year, Kevin Pelton pegg him for fifty

1415
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:36,840
six wins based on just them having like ten break

1416
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,600
even or better players by his metric. Now, I'd push

1417
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,359
back on that and say, like cool, but what they

1418
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:47,399
clearly don't have a couple things that none of the

1419
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:50,520
like those guys being above average players, like they don't

1420
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,960
provide it, like the playmaking stuff and the athleticism. So

1421
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,119
I'm going to forty nine. I do think like they're

1422
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:02,840
they they when healthy are gonna be really really good.

1423
01:12:03,159 --> 01:12:05,479
I just like they can't. They're not gonna have all

1424
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,359
their guys like for a lot of the season, right,

1425
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,479
Like that's just I have to price that in somehow.

1426
01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: So where do you think, like what is going to

1427
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,760
be their seed range in the West? Top four for sure?

1428
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: For yeah, I think top six. I think they're they're

1429
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,439
in that group. I don't know what forty nine typically

1430
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,319
gets you. That's that's probably is that even top six?

1431
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,359
I know? Right? Uh yeah, that's I don't know, that's

1432
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:33,520
four or five maybe?

1433
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's see what happened last year. So the

1434
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:39,880
Nuggets were four and won fifty last year with the

1435
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,800
four and the five seed one fIF so forty nine

1436
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:42,720
would get you six?

1437
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I think right around there,

1438
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,119
like it's they could be they could potentially be better

1439
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,920
than everyone but the thunder right, Like that's on the table,

1440
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,800
I think, you know, especially like.

1441
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:03,079
Speaker 1: You this oversimplifies it, but you did just reference it,

1442
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:05,880
like how many games are not even so like let's

1443
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,720
not even isoly like how many games of Steff gonna miss?

1444
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,319
How many Jimmy play? How many games are there are

1445
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:13,159
the four guys the Horford, Draymond, Jimmy, Butler, Steph going

1446
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:14,000
to play together?

1447
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 2: Like is it half the season is it forty one.

1448
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:18,880
You know that's I would set the over under it

1449
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,680
right just right there, because one of the four, whether

1450
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,600
it's you know, Horford's out for fifteen just because he's

1451
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,319
not playing back to backs or what however, many there

1452
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:31,359
are like he's just rule him out and all the

1453
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:34,279
rest of those guys are like, is anyone gonna play

1454
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:37,520
seventy And like I think by design they're gonna stagger

1455
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,079
it so that okay, tonight, Jimmy, it's your night off, right,

1456
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:45,279
or like that's just gonna be like purposeful. So yeah,

1457
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,880
if all four, if forty one starts to sound high,

1458
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,359
the more the more you we kind of game it out.

1459
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: Is there a team, like a perspective playoff opponent that

1460
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,640
you find to be and you could cover it from

1461
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,560
different ends of the spectrum. That's excuse me, particularly interesting

1462
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,439
to where if you, oh, the wars are better matchup

1463
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,600
for them than expected, and there is there is there

1464
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,720
a team in the non OKC division that especially troubles

1465
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,079
you as a playoff opponent.

1466
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:13,520
Speaker 2: I mean, they've played the Thunder fairly well, which doesn't

1467
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,199
make any sense at all. I got to small sample there.

1468
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also just like even when the thunder

1469
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:24,159
Gold dual big, they're not like that big perimeter rotation,

1470
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:25,720
so I know that they're built athletically to kind of

1471
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,159
run rough shot out with the Warriors, or maybe that

1472
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:28,079
has something to do with it.

1473
01:14:28,319 --> 01:14:31,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would just default to, like I

1474
01:14:31,079 --> 01:14:35,399
think Houston's a problem just just because of the athleticism

1475
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:39,640
in the length I think Minnesota is. I mean, they

1476
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,960
played both of these last year, so we sort of

1477
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,960
have pretty good evidence that, like it's not easy for

1478
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,000
the Warriors to play against teams that are young, athletic

1479
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,039
play hard, Like that's just tough. On the other side,

1480
01:14:52,079 --> 01:14:54,760
like a team like the Clippers, where it's like you

1481
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,279
don't want Jimmy Butler chasing Anthony Edwards, but I'm alright

1482
01:14:57,319 --> 01:15:00,600
with Butler on like Kawhi because going to try to

1483
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,079
beat you with strength and position, and Butler's okay there,

1484
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,680
and like hardened is someone the Warriors have faced a

1485
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,920
billion times and so they kind of have a rough

1486
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,279
idea of what to do there. So like the Lakers

1487
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,720
are another one where like the bigger like Luca as

1488
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,279
like you know, he's impossible to guard, but like they

1489
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:22,159
kind of they're better against that type of superstar than

1490
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,039
just someone that's young and can outrun and out jump

1491
01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:28,479
you in his six' eight and has fifty foot, Arms

1492
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,920
like that's just that's their. Kryptonite so Like dallas is

1493
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,319
a who's the most fascinating if they've ran Into, dallas

1494
01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:38,840
like that would be a because just a, team that

1495
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,359
would be a good test for like how big does

1496
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:44,399
a team have to be before it like really messes

1497
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,239
with The warriors who have just gone small and dominated

1498
01:15:47,279 --> 01:15:50,359
in the. Past dallas, Is dallas could get really.

1499
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:53,520
Speaker 1: BIG i don't know If kyrie is not healthy at that,

1500
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,279
point they have to go really.

1501
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: Big, yeah and then If kyrie is, healthy who's garden

1502
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,119
him That that's that's a big. Issue so, yeah that.

1503
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:04,800
FASCINATING i Think dallas IS i don't know how that

1504
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,319
would possibly shake. Out maybe that's like a unfortunately that

1505
01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:10,159
might be a play in matchup for The warriors if

1506
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:13,039
that's what. Happens but how do you feels about them

1507
01:16:13,039 --> 01:16:13,359
against The?

1508
01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: Nuggets do you think the post can Make Nicola jokic?

1509
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable you're gonna Pull jokic out. Further he wants to

1510
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,000
come on the. Floor they'll demoralize him by you, know

1511
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,119
just drilling threes in his. Face, YEAH i. Don't The

1512
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,760
nuggets are just they're kind of the same problem for.

1513
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,720
Everybody just just what do you do With jokic because

1514
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:36,359
they'll just solve.

1515
01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: YOU i don't.

1516
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,079
Speaker 2: Know i'm okay With draymond And horford as the guys

1517
01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:42,960
you're trying to Wrangle jokic, with and everybody else is

1518
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,079
just kind of, LIKE i don't, know stay.

1519
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: HOME i.

1520
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,359
Speaker 2: Guess, YEAH i hadn't thought about. Them that's an interesting, one.

1521
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:53,119
Speaker 1: Mister Grant hughes of The Hardwood Knox. Podcast end Of Bleacher.

1522
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:57,239
Report CAN i get one More warriors prediction from you

1523
01:16:57,279 --> 01:16:58,239
for this coming? Season?

1524
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: Uh Because i'm gonna give you two. ONE i think

1525
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,159
they're more likely to win sixty games than being the

1526
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:09,640
play in just just acknowledging like the high and low

1527
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,199
ends of the spectrum for. THEM i think them hitting

1528
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,800
a stupid number of wins somehow is likelier than them

1529
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,439
being like a forty, two forty three win.

1530
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:24,520
Speaker 1: Team IF i told you That, Steph, draymond And Jimmy

1531
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,439
butler all and Even horford let's say let's say he

1532
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,720
only misses the back to, backs they all qualify for.

1533
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,000
Awards sixty five. Games, WELL i Mean.

1534
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 2: Peltons pelton's got him at fifty six with less than,

1535
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,720
That SO i, think, yeah that's that's when you're in

1536
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,319
the mid to high, fifties, right, like and who, Knows

1537
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:43,640
like they're not gonna win sixty. Games it's just more

1538
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,880
likely than them being like the ten. SEED i, think

1539
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,039
barring everybody gets. Hurt the other, one Dan Quentin, post

1540
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:52,880
is gonna have a game where he makes ten. Threes

1541
01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:57,000
you think about, That it's happened ten seventy times IN nba.

1542
01:17:57,119 --> 01:18:00,680
History there's like most of those Are Stephan klay like

1543
01:18:01,159 --> 01:18:03,319
not kidding the. MAJORITY i think.

1544
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: There's got to be A. Jr smith one in, there.

1545
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 2: Right probably The dame has, One Zach lavine has. One you,

1546
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,680
know he's on par with those. Guys so he's made,

1547
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,399
six AND i think there's there's gonna be games Where

1548
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:20,199
horford doesn't play And post has earned a bigger. Role

1549
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:23,760
ten feels like sufficiently. BOLD i think he can make

1550
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,479
ten threes in a game like ten.

1551
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:28,079
Speaker 1: For how many to do?

1552
01:18:28,119 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 2: It not a? Lot damn under thirty to get you.

1553
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: Make ten threes another thirty, minutes that would be.

1554
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 2: Incredible we'll we'll just throw aside all the ridiculous clay

1555
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:40,119
like point points in a certain number of minute stats

1556
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:42,319
that are. THERE i think he can go ten for

1557
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:45,640
fourteen in a. GAME i think that's that's. Uh that

1558
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:49,800
has a a fifteen percent likelihood of actually, Happening So

1559
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:50,520
i'm gonna predict.

1560
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,159
Speaker 1: It mister G, hughes this was. Great thank you so

1561
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,680
much for taking the time to come on and speak with.

1562
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,960
Me are are you able just to tell our audience

1563
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:03,279
they can find you and all the fantastic work that you.

1564
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:05,840
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1565
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,880
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1577
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,960
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1578
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:44,960
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1583
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1584
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01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:04,560
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1589
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1590
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,760
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1591
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,960
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yeah listen to the.

1595
01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:26,279
Speaker 1: End until next, time and as, always shout out To

1596
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:28,640
frankne La quina and apologies To Jared.

1597
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 2: Allen