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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. I am

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truly so excited about my guest today because I absolutely

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love her. She's so much fun and she's somebody that

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I consider a friend, even though I don't see her

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as often as I would like. She is an award

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winning director and writer who really, I mean, I feel

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like needs no introduction. In her fourteen years in the industry,

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she has reshaped it from the inside out by creating

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films that put women's pleasure first. Welcome the one and

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only Jackie Saint James.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be back. I know. I'm so

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happy you're here too.

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Speaker 1: It's been we were trying to figure out how long

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has been since you've been on it.

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Speaker 2: COVID was the last time. Yeah, twenty twenty, I guess. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't even really remember what we talked about because

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I think I was pregnant at the time.

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Speaker 4: Well, I remember that you kindly gave me the money

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that people donated, and I just if people don't know,

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like obviously everyone knows you're wonderful, but like that meant

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so much to me. And whenever I think of you,

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I always think about that. I was hurting financially and

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you you helped me, so thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. I remember that too. I am pretty great.

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I like I remember that too. That's I remember about that.

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I don't remember what we talked about either, actually, so, yeah,

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that was a rough time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, COVID was like really hard for some people and

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really great for others.

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Speaker 2: I didn't mind it, actually, yeah, I didn't. It didn't

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feel that different than the life I lived. I don't

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get out a lot. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was just like, yeah, I was pregnant. It was great.

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Oh that's perfect good timing.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't have to like go on set and

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direct and be on my feet all day.

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Speaker 2: I just like hunt out and home and grew a

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baby that is.

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Speaker 4: Enough to get tested every week, every day, actually every

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day you shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, show up clean the location, yeah, first with

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like anti infectant, and wear.

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Speaker 2: Masks while people have sex in front of you. Yeah,

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makes sense.

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Speaker 1: A lot has changed since then, Yeah, yeah, it So

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tell me about what you've been doing since then, and

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like what your career is now.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I work full time for Blessed now, I'm

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under contract with them, and that's it. It's totally different

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because I'm only doing vignettes. I don't do features anymore.

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And it's been great. It's weird to work for a

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company that's run by kids.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I say kids.

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Speaker 4: They're in their twenties and thirties, but like they are

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kids to me. But they're so you know, on top

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of technology and kind of what's going on. And I've

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learned a lot from them. It's hard to say that

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as like an old woman that like you're learning from

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the kids, but they've taught me a lot about the

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way things work. Yeah, you know, I'm from the old

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school days where people still put the DVD in and yeah.

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Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about Blessed, because not

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everybody may know that studio because they're sort.

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Speaker 4: Of new ish, new ish, Yeah, and they're not like

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they don't heavily promote, so a lot of people don't

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know about them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a female run organization.

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Speaker 4: It's really geared towards female pleasure, and so there's a

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lot of focus on tension and the you know, appearance

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of the.

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Speaker 2: Girl and the guy.

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Speaker 4: I actually, when I started working for them, I publicly

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shamed them because they were trying to kind of infiltrate

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the porn world. They were taking content that like I

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had done, other women had done, and sort of like

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putting them on a tube site which was.

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Speaker 1: There's their blog site. I absolutely remember that. But to

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their credit, when they got called out on it, the

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owner came forward and said, yes, I'm so sorry, that

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wasn't my intention.

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Speaker 5: How can I make this better?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And I mean, you know, that's.

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Speaker 4: That's why I sort of changed my tune and that

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they were like, do you want.

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Speaker 2: To come work with some Yeah, sure, why not.

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Speaker 4: You're willing to admit your mistake and and I think

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that they're always willing to kind of grow and evolve,

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and I love that about them.

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Speaker 1: Right Yeah, So what made you leave New Sensations? Did

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they just offer you this contract? Were you kind of

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like I went over there?

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Speaker 2: So I left New Sensations.

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Speaker 5: It was such a.

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Speaker 4: Like a huge change in my life when I left.

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But I went to Mile High first for a little while,

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and I got more money, but then I got less

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money for the shoots, so like I was shooting back

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a lot lower budget stuff, but I was making more money.

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And then through Mile High, blessed Mile High, we're kind

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of working together. So then I was the first director

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pretty much the only one for Blessa and then eventually

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I just left Mile High and have been contracted to

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Blessa for about four years by working with them for

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about seven.

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Speaker 2: So what's your favorite thing about working for them?

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Speaker 4: I think they're always trying to create new things and

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new ideas within the storylines that they give. And they're

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they're also I will I'll say, like I don't have

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gigantic budgets, but they're willing to pay for the higher

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end people that might be a little bit more like

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somebody that's primarily an only fans star that's going to

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charge a lot of money. They'll be willing to pay

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for that budget for that person because they know with

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that comes like marketing and that kind of thing. So

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I get to work with a lot of the people

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that I wasn't able to work with previously with new

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sensations a mile high because they wouldn't pay that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I worked for companies. I won't necessarily name them.

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It's not Browsers, by the way. I just want to

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put that out there because I know a lot of

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people knew that I worked for them and for Twisties.

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It's not either of them. But they would want me

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to book expensive girls. Yeah, and they wouldn't pay anymore,

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and it would be like in the scene rate that

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I get, which was already load to begin with. And

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I was like, so, basically, you just want me to

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make more money so you can get a scene that

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will make you more money because you have a big.

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Speaker 2: Name girl in there, Like yeah, are you serious? Yeah,

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isn't that funny?

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Speaker 4: Or they'll say there were you know, or they'll say

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something like you know the girl's rate, and they'll be like, well,

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you know, just offer her, you know, seventy percent off

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of what her rate is.

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Speaker 5: And it's just like why why why would we leave

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her house for that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Why would she take it?

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Speaker 5: And like why do I want to negotiate that? Correct?

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It doesn't benefit me in any way.

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Speaker 2: She makes you look cheap.

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Speaker 1: It makes me look cheap like that I'm not getting

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I'm not getting residuals, Like I'm not getting like a share.

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Speaker 2: Of the profits. Like why would I do that? Right?

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Speaker 5: You can fucking call her and negotiate the race.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, exactly. Yeah that is humiliating. I've had to

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do that before too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We's just like, look, say no, but this is like

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this is all I have. This is what it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry if that's embarrassing, but like this is

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what I can pay you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Do most people say yes when you do that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, because I will say like hey, I'll

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try and get you out as quickly as possible or whatever.

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But I don't like doing it because I feel it

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does feel cheap, it feels manipulative.

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Speaker 2: If somebody has a rate, just pay it, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: They have a rate for a reason, or they have

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a rate for the studio that they know will pay more,

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and I don't like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. So you don't shoot

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fature films anymore. No, you're just shooting.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, are you sad about that?

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And that face that you gave me made me feel

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like you are maybe a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yes and no, Like there's been a couple times like

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I've tried to do like features and they didn't work out,

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like with Blessa or just you know, we would try

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to do something bigger and then like things would fall

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through or whatever. It is sad because it's always nice

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to see the full story, you know, come to life,

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whereas like when you do scenes, it's it's very I

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don't want to say churn and burn, but it is

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kind of because it's like, wait, what was that scene?

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Speaker 2: I did?

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Speaker 4: You know, because you've like I do six scenes a

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month and they're scripted and I sort of will forget

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about them, you know, months down the line.

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Speaker 2: But like a feature stays with you and it's something

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that you can be proud of.

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Speaker 4: And I think the most the work I am most

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proud of often were the features that I did back

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in the Yeah, what's your favorite feature that you've shot?

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You know, it's funny. I didn't get any awards for this,

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but the friend Zone. I wasn't credited as a director,

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but I was like an assistant director on it. But

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I loved that script, and it was with Riley Reid

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and Anthony Risano. I thought it was the most hilarious

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thing I've written for Adult and I just loved it.

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Speaker 2: It was just so much fun for me to what

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studio was it for? It was for New Sensations.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So when you were shooting features, did you

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also write the scripts?

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Speaker 2: Always? Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 4: I'm too much of a control freak, Like I don't

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want to take somebody else's work, and I don't want

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somebody taking my work and directing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 1: The problem is, too, is that when you get somebody

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else's script, usually it's somebody who's never shot Adult before,

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and the things that they put in there and the

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shots that they think that you're going to be able

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to get are like it's not possible, Like it's outside.

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Speaker 2: In the snowing, and I'm just like, no, that's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had one that wanted me to shoot on

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like a semi truck at a truck stop.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I was like, what am i? Am I going to

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go shoot illegally at a public truck stop? Am I

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going to rent a truck stop?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Do you have any idea how much that would be?

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Speaker 2: Number one? The cost?

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Speaker 1: Number two, like most locations don't want you to shoot

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adult there, No, And like number three like where yeah

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I get it outside?

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Speaker 2: Like well probably if it's a truck stop. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that's always the fun one too, when they want

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you to shoot in a location that's really far away

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and you have to drive like three hours to get there,

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and they don't want to pay anyone's gas. They don't

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want to pay like overnight stay. And it's just like,

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like two and a half years. I think about all

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of the times that I shot, and I just sucked

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it up, and I just like I just took it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, I will do this outrageous

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thing that you're at you're hungry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I will not drive far anymore.

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Speaker 4: I will not because I hear like people shooting in

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Santa Monica, and I'm like, forget it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit there in two hours of

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up far too far for you.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking like Palm Springs. Well, Palm Springs would definitely

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be no. But no Santa Monica. That's like a two

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hour drive for me. Yeah, where I live, but it

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is far. The traffic's horrendous. Like, no, you know, I'm

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going to use the same houses that you know are

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that we all use there in the rotation.

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Speaker 2: That's where I'm going because it's not worth it to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, my my life and my happiness is more

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important than sitting for two hours in a car to

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shoot porn.

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Speaker 2: No, not going to do it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think We talk about locations a lot,

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and I feel like this is always something that surprises people.

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What do you think is the one thing about locations

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that would surprise someone who didn't know anything about the

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adult industry.

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Speaker 2: There are some that smell really bad. We know who

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that is. Sorry, I'm just I answering the question estion.

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Am I wrong? Did you go to a baby share

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there recently?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Not that one.

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Speaker 5: That house is okay?

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Speaker 2: So all the houses have like nicknames.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I know which one you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the crack house one that we all kind

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of call I won't say the persons saying, but we

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call it the crack house or fun house, and a

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lot of parties and drugs have happened there.

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Speaker 2: I would say, probably you'd be surprised that.

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Speaker 4: Like I think for me, the amount of wealth and

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these big palatial mansions, but they feel like dumps, you

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know what I mean. So like if I think if

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somebody went to these homes, like I know with girls

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will they'll drive up to the house and be like,

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oh my god, And I'm just like what, Like I

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see it as a dump a lot of the places

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and no offense to the homeowners.

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Speaker 5: But it's like I.

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Speaker 4: Think, if you're shooting porn in your house, there's a reason,

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you know there is, Yeah, either you want the extra

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cash flow or you're hurting or your kinky.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a couple of those homeowners that kind

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of linger, and those are my least favorite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a woman that does it really Okay, all right,

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I know, I'm like out of the locations game now, Yeah,

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because that's always like the biggest struggle is finding places

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to shoot, and then finding places that you like to

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shoot at, and that don't have a creepy homeowner, that

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don't have like difficult parking, aren't like really far away ye,

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that aren't dirty. I mean I've gone into some dirty.

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Speaker 5: Some of them are clean. You'll have to tell me

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which one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about those.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely there's one house in particular, and I won't

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say the name, but that I would I bought a

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cleaning kit for that location. I would come there with

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dishwashing gloves and I would clean it when I get there.

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And I cleaned the bathroom specifically because I didn't want

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the talent to go use that bathroom, like go dute

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in the bathroom.

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Speaker 5: And it's like, yeah, you know what I mean, it's

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a disgust.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you should have paid me a goddamn

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cleaning pain for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know what I just thought of this?

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Speaker 4: You're gonna do you watch a lot of crime Do

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I watch what a lot of crime shows?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there is a house that we've.

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Speaker 4: All shot at a million times that also is featured

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on Discovery ID And like all these crime shows, like

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these reenactments and I'm always laughing.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, do you know how many people

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have sex in that?

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Speaker 4: But they have no idea. But there is one house

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that appears in all of these and I just I

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just sit there and laugh because the mainstream.

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Speaker 2: Actors have no clue. Yeah, clicked all the body count

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at that POINTE like bad. You don't want to take

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So I want to ask you, what do you believe?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I already know the answer. What is

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the most overused trope in porn movies?

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Speaker 2: Come on the step Family? Oh? Really?

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Speaker 5: Is that what you were gonna say?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Oh? What an original answer? Yeah? That, I mean, I

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think it's fading, though, don't you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, because you're not really as

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enmeshed in the business anymore.

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Speaker 5: But like from what you've.

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Speaker 4: Heard, I haven't shot it since I worked for Bless

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because they don't do that. But I don't think it's

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really in the limelight anymore. I guess i'd say, thank God.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember like when that trope came around?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I do, because I remember I had just started directing

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and I was like, yeah, like I was excited about

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doing it because it seemed wrong and it was like

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not overdone.

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Speaker 2: At that point.

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Speaker 4: I would always make them kind of campy and fun,

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but then it started getting to the point where they

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were really dark and disturbing, and it got like really

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really not okay and not funny anymore. And then it

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sort of was straddling that really weird line of I

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don't know, pushing an agenda that was.

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Speaker 2: Should not be pushed.

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Speaker 4: I guess I could say, yeah, but you know, I

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think that you have companies like Browsers that keep that

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funny stuff alive, and I think that's where it should live.

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Speaker 2: If it's gonna live anymore.

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Speaker 1: Is in humor as opposed to like tapping into some

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people's like real life trauma.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like people crying, It's like, wow, are people?

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And I'm sure people get off to it. I mean

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people get off to everything. But should we be promoting this?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is there anything in particular that like, you absolutely

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will not shoot?

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Speaker 2: Will not? I mean besides the obvious, you know, like

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illegal stuff.

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Speaker 4: No, I really want to get into bisexual a bisexual.

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Speaker 2: Line right now.

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Speaker 4: I think I've heard horror stories from directors about like

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shooting gay just because the logistical aspect of it, And

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so for that reason I would probably say no. I

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don't want to book people's flights. I don't want to

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deal with flight changes. I don't want to deal with drama.

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I've also heard some crazy stories about like how there's

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just a different vibe there where the guys will be

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looking at their own horn and then they'll go and

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have sex with them, like if there's just a disconnect,

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and I'm like, it doesn't really feel like it would

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be for me right, And also I hate dealing with

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travel and that, Like, No.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny that you said logistics because in my

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head I was thinking, you know, penises can be temperamental

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and sometimes they don't work, and then you have two

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things that are temperamental and you know, like doubles the

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chances of things going wrong.

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Speaker 5: That was what popped into my head. But you were

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like flights.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, that's funny is when I cause I

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have been on a gay porn watching a phase lately

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and what I will say that I find so hilarious.

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And another reason why what you're saying is true, like

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I would not want to shoot gay porn is it's

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always cross dissolving and I'm like, oh, they're not hard

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yet again, and I'm like, yeah, I don't want to

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deal with that because I don't want my days to

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be twelve hours to shoot a sex scene when I'm

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just hiring reliable talent that I know I can count.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. So I think that too.

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I think what you're saying is, yeah, the penises can

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be tempering.

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Speaker 1: You said you're on a gay porn watching kick. Are

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you watching it like for research or.

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Speaker 2: No, just pleasure?

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Speaker 4: And honestly, I could because I don't like watching people

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I know, and so I don't work with a lot

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of gay performers. I know if I worked with a couple,

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but like I don't, it's not what I shoot. So

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it's easier to find somebody that I don't know. Yeah,

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I'm I'm in the same boat. Yeah, because I'm like

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I can't watch that one because I.

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Speaker 1: Know him really well and I know or like sometimes

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you'll find a video and you're like, okay, great, I

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don't know that girl, and you'll be like getting into

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it and the guy's head's cut off and then all

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of a sudden, like his head I remember this one specifically,

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and then his head came in and it was like

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Ryan mclan I was like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Fuck done.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 4: No, it feels gross because it's like you're masturbating to

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your friends. Yes, yeah, so with the gay performers, like

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I really only know maybe a handful, So for me

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it doesn't feel wrong because I'm like, well I don't

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know them.

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Speaker 2: That's to them. I can hang out with them later.

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Speaker 1: There's also something like very you know, like obviously like

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kind of animalistic and like testosterone and oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah about like yeah, and I do like the gay

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porn where it's like the I mean, this is bad,

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but it's like the masculine father and he's having sex

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with his son's friend.

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Speaker 2: I love those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the thing is is that also too,

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Like for me as a woman, I get turned on

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by hearing the guy. Oh sure, like the guy making sounds,

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the guy talking, and in heterosexual porn, because it's a

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mainly male audience and it's focused on the woman, you're

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usually telling the guy to shut up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which like so unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a male performer that you've worked

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with that you've had to tell him to like stop

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making the scene about him or no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I just shot Cody still and he was laughing.

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He's like, I love when I shoot for you because

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I'm the one that's shirtless all the time and the

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girls are completely closed because.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, this is what I want to see.

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Speaker 2: I want to see you, But no, I've never had

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that happen.

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Speaker 4: I think most of the guys I don't want to

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say are trained, but they're so used to not being

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the focus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those would be the experience guys though, like in

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the beginning of their career.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is one guy I'll tell you later, but

477
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,279
he makes really distracting faces.

478
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,039
Speaker 2: Yes, you probably know who this is. Well, I there

479
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,359
was a guy. I think his name was Marco. He

480
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,000
does not work in the industry anymore.

481
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, he was very over the top with his faces.

482
00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 2: He was always like and it was just like, yes, ma,

483
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,200
she's gonna make a thumbnail out of that picture. I

484
00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:32,839
know it, but.

485
00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was like yeah, and when I

486
00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:38,000
would edit the pictures, I'd like pick ones were like

487
00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:41,119
that were cropped in clothes, so or I tell him,

488
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,119
I'd tell him to hide his face behind the girl

489
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,079
like food.

490
00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 5: That's all I can look at.

491
00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: Is stupid over the top expression.

492
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I know that you're having a good time, but like,

493
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,880
come on, man, it was like so insane.

494
00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:57,319
Speaker 4: Yes, there is one guy right now that doesn't I

495
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,240
don't hire him that much. But yeah, because I will

496
00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:02,799
be behind the monitor and just trying not to laugh.

497
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,079
And indeed that's wrong because you know, people are vulnerable,

498
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:06,839
they're having sex.

499
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 2: But I'm just kind of like, why are you making that? Yeah?

500
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 5: You know what makes a great male performer in your opinion.

501
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 4: Well, I think first, just honoring the boundaries is huge,

502
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,119
but just knowing like there's always those guys that like

503
00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:22,640
but a while later, like they think it's a date,

504
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:26,519
Guys that can still sort of straddle that line between

505
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:31,400
being respectful to the girl and affectionate with her but

506
00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:35,000
not crossing the line. And uh, and then know how

507
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,640
to position the girl is so important. There's so many

508
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,359
guys still to this day that have been in forever

509
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,880
that don't know where to angle based on the light.

510
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,039
Speaker 2: And it's astounding to me.

511
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been in this business for you know, ten

512
00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:49,720
fifteen years and you still don't know how to position

513
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:50,759
correctly or open up.

514
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,279
Speaker 2: That's strange. Oh yeah, it happens a lot.

515
00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 5: Huh.

516
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 4: But then there's people like Victor Ray's a new performer

517
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,359
who's come onto the scene and he's so enthusiastic and

518
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,720
so he's just great and he the energy and passion,

519
00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:05,039
Like I hope he never loses that because you see

520
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,160
these young guys and you're like, please don't become jaded,

521
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,880
please please please, and please don't you know, graduate from

522
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,039
Viagar to something else.

523
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,039
Speaker 1: Cavera jack Yeah, yeah, we've talked about it on this podcast,

524
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,279
so it's not something that people haven't heard about before.

525
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean a lot of new guys are

526
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,799
using that out of the gate, and I think that

527
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,680
is another thing, Like I think the guys that are

528
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,359
just using Viagara or trying to do it naturally are

529
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,000
usually better because there's there's a drive there. They have

530
00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:35,000
to be engaged and enthusiastic because they have to keep

531
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:35,880
it harred.

532
00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:38,039
Speaker 2: That makes sense, whereas with caver jackets, like they can

533
00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:38,960
just go through the motions.

534
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some days that everybody needs a blue

535
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,640
Choo and if you need it, you can go to

536
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,720
bluetoo dot com and you just god only.

537
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: Get your first drive free.

538
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,599
Speaker 1: They do sponsor this podcast, so but uh so, yeah,

539
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,480
there are some days that everybody needs a blue Choo.

540
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I agree with you because.

541
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, once it becomes like just it becomes

542
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,000
the mechanics of it. Yeah, and also too, you know,

543
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,759
like it can ruin your penis. I mean I think

544
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:12,720
we all know like one person in particular who can

545
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,160
no longer work yep.

546
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: And there's a few that are on that path as

547
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,599
well right now.

548
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: People always talk about how hard porn is on women

549
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,799
and how it like you know, ages them or whatever,

550
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,319
but I think that people don't like realize how hard

551
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:26,880
it is for men.

552
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: Oh it's so hard. Yeah, yeah, it's so hard.

553
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 4: I've talked to a couple of the guys about it too,

554
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,079
just the whole you know, because I've even talked to

555
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,519
like both the men and women about just the emotional

556
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:37,160
aspect of it.

557
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,279
Speaker 2: Because you always think, oh.

558
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,079
Speaker 4: Guys, there's no problem for them, but like there is

559
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,960
something about your body being used for a film and

560
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,240
there being no connection.

561
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: And I think it even wears on the guys.

562
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,319
Speaker 4: Over time, Yeah, where it's just like meaningless, complete meaningless.

563
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: Sex that they're having every day.

564
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,039
Speaker 1: I remember I had Cody's deel on and he talked about,

565
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,079
you know, times when he's had to work with girls

566
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,519
who like weren't sure if they wanted to do porn

567
00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:05,240
or weren't sure if they wanted to be there, and

568
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:08,799
he was like, that is the worst, because I don't

569
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,200
want to have sex with you if you don't want

570
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:10,880
to have sex with me.

571
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,839
Speaker 5: And now I'm being put in this position where.

572
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,519
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm yes, you know what I mean,

573
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,000
like pushing this boundary that I would normally never do it,

574
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:22,160
Like this is my job and you showed up for

575
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,160
the job too, and you say you want to do it,

576
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,640
but I could kind of tell you that you don't,

577
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,160
And it's like, how do you He.

578
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,319
Speaker 2: Shot one of those scenes with me recently but feels

579
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:34,440
so bad. Yeah, yeah, but what are you going to do?

580
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,599
Speaker 4: I mean, if somebody's consenting and saying they want to

581
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,839
be there, it's not for me or anyway to judge

582
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,119
what they individually want to do, right, we can perceive

583
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,119
it as something yeah.

584
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, speaking of I wanted to talk to you

585
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:51,160
about like your thoughts on the rise of like the

586
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:57,519
influencer important because the industry has changed significantly since, you know,

587
00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:59,359
the last time that we talked. With the rise of

588
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,559
OnlyFans and other content platforms, you know, you're getting a

589
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,519
lot of people that wouldn't maybe necessarily enter the adult

590
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:09,920
industry doing so, and then you know, really leaning into

591
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,440
like the hard marketing like social media and stuff, and

592
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,400
then they think, Okay, I got to do you know,

593
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,519
I'm going to do a scene for like a big brand,

594
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,039
only for the traffic they don't actually necessarily want to do,

595
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:24,920
you know, like they're not excited to shoot for browsers

596
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,920
because they want to shoot for browsers. They want the

597
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,440
traffic for browsers, and that's why they do the scene.

598
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,000
So have you experienced working with people like that?

599
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

600
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: And I try and avoid it unless you know, there's

601
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,559
a couple people that are focused mainly on their only fans,

602
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,720
and they'll come and shoot for me occasionally, but like

603
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:47,359
a big you know, influencer, not so much, because they

604
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,839
wouldn't be seeking out they would seek out of browsers

605
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,480
or you know, somebody that's going to pay them an

606
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:55,759
obscene amount of money just for one scene. But I

607
00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,640
will say that it's sort of we now in a

608
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,039
time where a lot of people don't have to show

609
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,400
up to set because they could just stay home, have

610
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,839
sex and make money or shoot content. And so getting

611
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,799
people to set there always has to be you know,

612
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,759
the paycheck is not an incentive anymore.

613
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: Really, I mean that's what's crazy. Yeah, But I will.

614
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: Say like a lot of the people that I have

615
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,160
on set now are happy to be there, and I'm

616
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,400
fortunate for that. But I do get scared with the

617
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,599
influencer thing because I think these people are trying to

618
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:35,400
like up the anti I mean, you look at Bonnie

619
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,240
was there name Bonnie Blue Blue, Yeah, shooting and then

620
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,799
I heard somebody wants to do a five thousand anal thing.

621
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,880
I'm like, that's not even possible. But you're also harming

622
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,440
your body or heart. Just it's so dangerous, and I

623
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,839
think we live in a culture now where it's like clickbait.

624
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:52,440
What can I do to get more clicks, more attention?

625
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,839
And like how do you up that ante? Like Bonny

626
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,000
Blues Gangbang? Then you got to go to the next

627
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,680
thing and then the next and the next and the next.

628
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 5: But it's also like it's weird.

629
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,839
Speaker 1: It's a double edged sword because how do you get recognized?

630
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,160
How do you Because I had her on before she

631
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,559
got big, like kind of right before she really started

632
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,119
to take off, Yeah, and she talked about you know,

633
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,359
finding your niche and like marketing and all that kind

634
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,400
of stuff. I mean, how do you stand out from

635
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000
the crowd and clearly like she really saw that, like

636
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,440
there there was that opportunity, and I mean she took

637
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,759
a direction I guess I was really expecting.

638
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

639
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: But and then that's like that is that.

640
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean it is reflective of society today and our

641
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,559
short attention spans and our over consumption of media and

642
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,079
the fact that we are walking around with like a

643
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,880
little you know, TV computer with us all day. And

644
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,599
I mean, like we're old enough to remember before there

645
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:51,359
were cell phones.

646
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: I remember the little Hello, Yeah, I had had the

647
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,400
rotary Have you ever did a shoot with a girl?

648
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: I've done this for if I've done like a retro

649
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:03,960
shoot with like an eighteen year old and I'm like,

650
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:06,240
here's a rotary phone, you know, because it's like we're

651
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:07,960
doing like a sixty style thing and she's.

652
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,519
Speaker 4: Like, what the fuck is Oh my gosh.

653
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean how would they know? Isn't

654
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,680
that scary?

655
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,759
Speaker 5: Yeah?

656
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,319
Speaker 4: I think I honestly have to say I love that

657
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,519
I'm gen X because I feel like we are the

658
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,279
generation that got to see.

659
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,559
Speaker 2: The world purely.

660
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: But also like, you know, before all this other crap

661
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,480
came into play, Yeah, we knew what it was like

662
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,240
to leave a voicemail on an answering machine and check

663
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,240
it and not know if somebody was available.

664
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,079
Speaker 2: And now we have everything. I mean, I.

665
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:43,799
Speaker 4: Noticed my attention span is really shot. Like when I drive,

666
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,160
I'm not as focused. It's just it's terrifying.

667
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know where how to get anywhere anymore

668
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,440
because I with maps. Yeah, you know, like trying to

669
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240
find my way to my in law's house. I've been

670
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,359
there a million times, right, and every time we go there,

671
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,279
because you know, there was a period of time that

672
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,519
only I could and just like.

673
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,799
Speaker 5: Like, where are they again?

674
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: And my husband was like, we've been together for nine years,

675
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,799
like we see them, Like, oh, how do you not

676
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,759
know how to get there yet?

677
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just don't pay attention. Yeah, you know, yep.

678
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:19,039
Speaker 1: And thank god cell phones weren't around when I was

679
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:19,839
at college.

680
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,359
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, Oh my god.

681
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: I think about social media just like I mean, I

682
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,319
was bullied in high school, and I think to myself,

683
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,319
I feel for.

684
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: Kids today because they can't escape it. Like I could

685
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:31,759
escape it.

686
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could go home to my family and I

687
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:35,759
wasn't seeing it, But like kids today, and I think

688
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:39,920
about the performers too. They cannot escape the hateful fans

689
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,759
are saying like horrific things to that. Yeah, and it's

690
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:44,440
like all day long, all day long, unless they have

691
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,799
somebody managing their social media.

692
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,599
Speaker 1: I actually am often surprised that I don't get like

693
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,799
I mean, I definitely get negative comments.

694
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: Most of them are on YouTube.

695
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: Actually, I love the one you the one I posted

696
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,160
about being old.

697
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 5: Love that guy was so great. That made me laugh

698
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:02,519
so hard.

699
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,079
Speaker 1: And I still like, go back and when I'm feeling sad,

700
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:07,880
I go back and I read that and it makes

701
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,400
me laugh.

702
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it was so good.

703
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: It was something like, Hi, I saw your thumbnail and

704
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:19,799
I like clicked on your site and I joined, but

705
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,960
then I saw you are old.

706
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 5: I'm very sorry he had to tell you. I was

707
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:27,039
love it.

708
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.

709
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,599
Speaker 1: There was just something about the way that he said

710
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,799
it which just like killed me. Yeah, and you know,

711
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:34,920
I mean, I mean that's obviously something that a lot

712
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,559
of you know, women who are in the milf era

713
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,599
here and just women like in general and in entertainment.

714
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: Well there, I think just in general, I mean like

715
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,279
the transition of moving from I mean as a woman

716
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,480
like I look at young women today, and I'm just like,

717
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640
you have no idea, but like, I don't know if

718
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,519
you remember, but like I remember the distinct moments where

719
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:02,799
it was like I no longer the girl that would

720
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:04,839
be checked out. I mean I never was like the

721
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,240
hot girl, but meaning where you graduate into ma'am and

722
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,160
men are not going out of their way to hold

723
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,440
the door for you anymore, like you're the old woman.

724
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: So I don't have that exact experience because I actually

725
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,240
sort of look better now than I did in my

726
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,599
twenties because I was drinking so heavily in my twenties

727
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,119
that I had like a lot of alcohol bloat, so

728
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,839
like I did not look very good. I look back

729
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,000
at pictures of myself in my twenties, I'm like, how

730
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:36,039
did I get laid? It was just because I was easy,

731
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,400
but like I did, like I did not look good, Okay,

732
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,519
you know what I mean. I used to think I

733
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,400
didn't have cheekbones, and then I started to stop drinking

734
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,559
and I was like, oh, there they are so like

735
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,519
I weirdly like, okay, so you never went through that,

736
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,599
But I do remember the moment that I realized that

737
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,200
I was like old, and it was like such a

738
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,440
bizarre moment that just sticks in my head and and

739
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,279
it's like stupid and almost not worth telling. But I

740
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:06,839
was at a party and I stopped by a party

741
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,880
for some reason I can't remember, and I was there

742
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,720
for only like a short amount of time, and it

743
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:13,079
was all like these young.

744
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: Like hot people. It was a pool party.

745
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: And they were like in bikinis and they were all

746
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,920
like partying, and I left for whatever reason, and I

747
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,640
just remember looking back at them, and I remember that

748
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:28,720
song was playing from What the fuck are they called

749
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,279
Owl something? It's not Owl Story, Well that's a terrible band.

750
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,480
It was like your Owl No, that sne it at all.

751
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,880
Oh my god, it's that one song It's always a

752
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,079
good time.

753
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,839
Speaker 2: Carlie Ray. Yeah. And then who's the people that she.

754
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 5: Does it with? The band owl.

755
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: City thank You.

756
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: I've never heard of owl City or this song okay

757
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,039
ol City thank.

758
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: You, because I'm like, I don't know who that was.

759
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:57,640
I don't know this song.

760
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,079
Speaker 1: So it was like really popular at the time, and

761
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,160
it's very much like a young, you know, like party song.

762
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,359
Speaker 5: And I just remember and I remember like it.

763
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: Was the sun was setting and it was filtering through

764
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,960
the trees and there was like this dreamy haze all

765
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,199
over everything, and it was sort of like the snapshot

766
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,199
out of a movie. And I was like, I am

767
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,519
no longer in that group, you know what I mean,

768
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,760
Like I do not belong there at all.

769
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,519
Speaker 5: Think about it still.

770
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,559
Speaker 4: Isn't it weird though, because like it's weird. I mean

771
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,480
it's hard to like put it into words, but it

772
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,039
is a change that you can never go back to. Like,

773
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,920
it is a very drastic thing. I don't think men

774
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:38,159
face it as much.

775
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: It's like laying in a tanning bed.

776
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 4: I remember laying in a tanning bed in my twenties

777
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,280
going I'll never wrinkle, you know. I mean it's just

778
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,480
like you're so stupid, Yeah, and you don't realize that

779
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,320
it will go and.

780
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,079
Speaker 2: It goes fast.

781
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the future feels so far away. It does, yeah,

782
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,880
I meanmore, but yeah.

783
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,559
Speaker 5: I think about now.

784
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: You know, like a teenager could turn to me and

785
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,639
be like, get out of the way, you middle aged woman,

786
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,639
and she would be right, yeah, no, I'm fucking middle aged.

787
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I feel fifteen. Yeah,

788
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,519
I feel like inside I'm fifteen.

789
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:14,599
Speaker 1: Do you think that it's because we spend so much

790
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,559
time with younger people, like no, I think I just

791
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,639
never like, you know, there's certain people that I feel

792
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,039
like are women, and then there's people that I think

793
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,039
are older that are still girls, and I feel like

794
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:25,320
that's me.

795
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,159
Speaker 4: Like I still watch Dawson's Creek and I feel like

796
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,880
I'm their age, you know, and.

797
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 2: But I'm not.

798
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,079
Speaker 5: Yeah.

799
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember definitely when I started to get to

800
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:39,480
the age where I became the same age as girls

801
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:43,199
parent mom. Yes, that's hard, you know, And I'd be like, oh,

802
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,559
you know, you remember Depeche Mode, right, And I'd be like,

803
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,159
oh you're oh yeah, my mom's your age, And I'm like,

804
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:50,239
are you fucking kidding me?

805
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yep.

806
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 5: Okay.

807
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: So you've been doing this now for over a decade.

808
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,320
What do you think has changed the most in the industry,

809
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,639
both for the better and for the worst. I mean,

810
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,000
I guess we sort of covered that, but is there

811
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:04,800
anything else that.

812
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,679
Speaker 2: Like the money?

813
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,199
Speaker 4: The money, I think it's like when I started, I

814
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,079
felt like there was more. Look, there were still the

815
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,960
studios that were shelling out a lot of money, but

816
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,800
it felt like everyone had could be part of the game.

817
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,760
And now the money is so vastly different between companies.

818
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,639
Like I talked to somebody at one of the you

819
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,920
know media adult media outlets that had no idea I

820
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,679
was still shooting because I'm not shooting with a two

821
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,119
hundred three hundred, four hundred five hundred thousand budgets. So

822
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,719
like when it comes to AVN nominations or expis, like

823
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,920
people don't even I'm not even a thought because I'm

824
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,519
not doing anything that can compete with anyone anyway. So

825
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,639
it's so different, like you're not even in the game anymore, right,

826
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,880
you know, I'm in my own game, but I'm not

827
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,559
part of the game of the industry.

828
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: I remember talking to Quasar about how, you know, because

829
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,800
he's like famous for working with like tiny budgets and

830
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,800
you know, doing quite a bit with a small budget. Yeah,

831
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,079
and we were saying there should be an award for

832
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,119
like best Movie for budget, like I don't know, under

833
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,880
like thirty thousand dollars or something like that. Yeah, I mean,

834
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,760
how do you feel about the fact that there's such

835
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,679
a drastic difference in budget that like certain directors get,

836
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,079
and like how it affects, you know, what people think

837
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:25,559
is like good porn.

838
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 4: I think the thing I struggle with is that unless

839
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,199
you're you know, of course, when you have these gigantic

840
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,320
budgets and you're shooting in an airplane, you know, and

841
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,519
the girls love it because they get great pictures and

842
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:41,960
all this, you know, hooplah. It's it's still it's hard

843
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:45,480
because I think there's still good porn that's done.

844
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: I think I do good porn. It's just not on

845
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:48,480
a budget.

846
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:53,519
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, buying Honey Burdette Lingerie for the girls.

847
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,719
Like I'm shooting at the same porn houses, and we're

848
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,840
just doing the best we can with the budgets we have.

849
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: But I think that that.

850
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 4: Gets lost, Like I think people tend to forget that,

851
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,880
like money does not mean it's good.

852
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that it's not.

853
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,639
Speaker 4: I mean, like you look at Ricky Greenwood does amazing

854
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,239
stuff and he gets huge budgets, but like there's people

855
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,119
that get huge budgets that you're like, why are they

856
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,320
getting so much money? But it's the companies that they

857
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,880
work for. What would you do with a huge budget.

858
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:20,960
I don't even know, because I feel like I'm in

859
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,119
the quasar camp and like I've worked with low budgets

860
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:28,039
for so long that I cannot imagine when people say

861
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,639
they shot a porn for two hundred thousand dollars, I'm like,

862
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:32,599
where did that money go? Because I don't see it

863
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,559
on the film, Like maybe I see it in like

864
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,000
the set deck that they have, Like there's people that

865
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,639
have people set decking for them, Like I've never had

866
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,079
that in my life, Like, I cannot even imagine having that.

867
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:46,159
Speaker 2: That would be crazy to me.

868
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think I would hire people like that

869
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,159
and maybe wardrobe and maybe better locations.

870
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,519
Speaker 2: But I just don't think you need two hundred thousand

871
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:57,840
dollars to shoot a porn movie.

872
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: I shot a Showtime series four or three hundred thousand

873
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,480
so and that was like a series.

874
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,639
Speaker 2: These people are shooting like one movie for that. It's

875
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,159
crazy to me. I'm assuming that they submit the budgets

876
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:12,920
to the company, yeah, I or money laundering.

877
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,679
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen mborn. So what do you consider good porn?

878
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,000
What makes a good porn scene?

879
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 4: For me? I think it's it's really feeling the connection

880
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,480
and the tension between the people. I think the one

881
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,800
thing I have learned working with Blessa that I never

882
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,760
did before was I used to care so much about

883
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920
the story because I was doing features that all I

884
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,159
cared about was the story, screw the sex, like all

885
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,280
zone out during the sex.

886
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: But with Blessa, it is about the sex.

887
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: So I'm focusing on really like those moments and the

888
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:46,679
tension and the sex that makes it hot. So for me,

889
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,719
I think good porn is tension built up that carries

890
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,079
through the entire scene, not just in the first two minutes.

891
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned that you went through kind of like

892
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:58,760
an identity crisis a little bit.

893
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,199
Speaker 2: Yeah when you so was it when you left New Sensations.

894
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,400
I think it was like a gradual It took a

895
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,519
few years, but.

896
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, when I when I was with New Sensations,

897
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,199
like I was getting a lot of attention, you know,

898
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,000
we were winning awards and I was getting interviews with

899
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,840
you know, mainstream publications, and there was just a lot

900
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,920
of attention. Like I remember, I think the identity crisis began,

901
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:28,760
like you know, when I said the moment of when

902
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,840
you feel old with porn, when I felt like it

903
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,599
was over for.

904
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:37,039
Speaker 2: Me, was I was always the girl asked to do panels.

905
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 4: This is so stupid, it's so sad, but it is

906
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,440
so reflective of the reality, which was I was always

907
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,440
like I was doing three or four panels.

908
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: I was invited to AV and they were screening my movies.

909
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 4: I was presenting like all this stuff, and then I

910
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,719
was the backup panel girl where they called me because

911
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,719
somebody else couldn't be there. And then I realized, oh,

912
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,440
and you start to see like, oh, there's no more nominations,

913
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,920
there's no more like the fact that the guy didn't

914
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,559
even know I was shooting, and I fell into a

915
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,280
deep depression because it's like hard to go from being

916
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,920
kind of I don't want to see the it girl

917
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,960
because I wasn't the it girl, but I was getting

918
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:18,719
a lot of attention early and fast to go from

919
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,360
that to you don't even get a nomination. Nobody's inviting

920
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,719
you to the like nomination party, because of course why

921
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,320
would you go. You're not even getting numbed. And I

922
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,079
don't think awards are important, but I like being liked.

923
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,920
It felt like I wasn't liked anymore. Like I felt

924
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,719
like I wasn't that person, and that was hard because

925
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,599
the wards, you know, that's meaningless. Really it truly is like,

926
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:49,119
but being respective for what you do that's important, and

927
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,119
I feel like I'm being remembered and being remembered and

928
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:54,760
like I'm not even an afterthought, Like it's just it's

929
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,239
funny because it's like wow, but you see it happen.

930
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,960
I've seen it happen to other people too, and I

931
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,519
often wonder, like, wonder if they're going through what I

932
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,840
went through. M it's really hard to to feel like

933
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,480
you're on top of the world, to feel like you're

934
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,639
absolutely nobody.

935
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, has that feeling changed for you?

936
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

937
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 4: Like I I started getting my I start, I said,

938
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,079
do I want to? Like, I think you have to

939
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,320
ask yourself, like, is this where I want my my

940
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,079
world to be?

941
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,559
Speaker 2: So I want to be the remembered as a pornographer? No,

942
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,440
I want to I want to do good things.

943
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: So I started, I went to started going to grad

944
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,519
school and I'll be graduating in March to get my

945
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,679
masters in Marriage and Family therapy. And I've been practicing

946
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,639
therapy on top of doing porn.

947
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,639
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my directing porn is kind of

948
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,000
like sometimes it's doing therapy. Oh yeah, there are days

949
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,920
that I've been a therapist and I'm sure you can relate.

950
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Managing a lot of personalities, a lot

951
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:52,880
of drama.

952
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's hard, and I mean, I

953
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,559
don't know if you've ever felt that way. I mean

954
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,639
I think it's like for women, it's like age and

955
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,039
then it's with me.

956
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: Was this, I mean it was hard, Like I was

957
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:05,280
very depressed.

958
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,679
Speaker 1: Well I've I mean, I've mentioned this before, but I

959
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,559
went through the exact same experience pretty much. So there

960
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,920
was a time in the summer that I was, in

961
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,960
the same month fired from Playboy, like straight up fired.

962
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:24,840
Cooper Hefner came in and he did not like me,

963
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,880
and he would be kicked to the curb. Somebody not

964
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:28,119
like you, is my question.

965
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,159
Speaker 2: That's so sweet. I mean I'm being honest, like, oh,

966
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,880
I think I'm so annoying.

967
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,519
Speaker 4: Really yeah, okay, I don't know you on that level,

968
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:37,960
like work wise, were you annoying?

969
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,039
Speaker 2: I just think I'm annoying. No, okay, okay, go on,

970
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:45,679
I'm like, no, I just I don't know.

971
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't listen to this show. Who like

972
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,239
people who have like listened to all four hundred and

973
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,239
something of my episodes?

974
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: What's wrong with you? You guys are great? Just kidding,

975
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:57,840
I'm just kidding.

976
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyways, you got fire Okay, so I got fired.

977
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,320
I mean, I have the screen grabs. The best part

978
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,480
is I've told the stories so many times, so forgive

979
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,039
me if you guys have heard this. But they accidentally

980
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,440
sent me meeting notes, minute notes from a meeting, and

981
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,199
in there they talked about firing me and they called

982
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,239
me a bad producer, which wasn't true. Like you cannot

983
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,960
like my style, you can think of annoying whatever, but

984
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,239
I was not a bad producer. I had my shit together.

985
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,320
My paperwork was fucking on top. I was on top

986
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,480
of my paperwork, My shit was in on time. I

987
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:38,480
did everything you wanted. My stuff looked good, like yeah, anyways,

988
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,800
uh yeah, so that's how I found out.

989
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 5: Okay, it was pretty I mean that was like.

990
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 4: It is funny when you think about it now now

991
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,079
it's funny, but at the time, oh, I'm sure.

992
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: And you know how long it took me to work

993
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,480
for Playboy, Like they slammed the door in my face

994
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:57,760
for years? Wow, because I worked in porn, you know,

995
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,440
even though my mother like was like one of the

996
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,960
first female photographers there. Yeah, in fact, the first female

997
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,079
photographer that was ever put on staff there. When I

998
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,559
wanted to shoot for them. They were and this is

999
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:12,360
back you know, when hef was like really running things.

1000
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,440
They were like, oh no, we don't want anything to

1001
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,159
do with you because you do porn, you know.

1002
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: Right, so you can't be talented.

1003
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well just like they they didn't want like the association,

1004
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,239
and also like they were very closed off, you know,

1005
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,800
and they had like all the people that they needed,

1006
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,639
and they had you know, all of that. I mean, look, hey,

1007
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:32,760
maybe they just didn't like my work too. I say

1008
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,239
it's because I did porn, but that may not be

1009
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,800
the reason. But anyways, you know, wouldn't like let me

1010
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:42,480
in the door. And then finally when it was my

1011
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:44,519
geek at the time is now Alu, when they took

1012
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,639
over running their website for a while, That's when I

1013
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:49,599
got in. And then I shot for them for like

1014
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,360
six seven years, and I was like their main producer.

1015
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,159
Speaker 5: I did all their Cybergirls of the Year.

1016
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:55,679
Speaker 2: We went to.

1017
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Mexico, Costa Rica, like I did, you know, like some

1018
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,840
of the best work of.

1019
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,079
Speaker 2: My I shot for Playboy.

1020
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: So anyways, and that was like the one thing that

1021
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,960
I could tell people that I shot for you know, well, like, yeah,

1022
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,639
I met my mother, my mother in law, I could

1023
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:11,400
be like, I shoot for a Playboy.

1024
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell her I.

1025
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: Shoot for Pross, but I could tell her I shoot

1026
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,800
for Playboy and that was okay. So that and then

1027
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,679
Twisties just like kind of stop using me, like they

1028
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,039
know it was trickling.

1029
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 5: They were going through like a transition.

1030
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:32,119
Speaker 1: They're like they're a completely different company now, but they

1031
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:36,440
went through a period where it was, you know, it

1032
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,960
was not the same anyways.

1033
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1034
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: So so like my two main clients, like they're pretty

1035
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,000
much the only people I worked for, just gone like that,

1036
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,639
and I was like.

1037
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: What am I going to do now?

1038
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: You know? And I think this was also too when

1039
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:54,760
like a lot of the step Brother step Mother porn

1040
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,039
was like really getting up there and it was more

1041
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,039
and there wasn't like a lot of glamour no, you know,

1042
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,360
and that's my style. And I was like, I don't

1043
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,280
think there's a place for me anymore. And I was like,

1044
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,360
what am I going to do? Am I going to

1045
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,239
shoot mainstream? I mean I even started on Instagram that

1046
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,679
was like, you know, a different handle and like posted

1047
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:18,960
stuff up on there that wasn't I was like, I

1048
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,280
mean I could go worund with my portfolio and try

1049
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,719
to get work like you know what I mean, and

1050
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,079
then have to work with celebrities, which I don't want

1051
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:28,280
to know, Oh my god, no, thank you.

1052
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,119
Speaker 5: I much rather work with porn stars. They're way easier

1053
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:32,559
to deal.

1054
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I didn't I didn't know what to do,

1055
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,039
and I was so depressed. And then I was invited

1056
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,480
on a podcast for the boxing gym that I worked at,

1057
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:49,039
and I met Ernie and I was like, hey, if

1058
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,239
I like started a podcast, people are like doing this thing.

1059
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,519
And I was like, what do I like to do?

1060
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:55,320
Because I was trying to figure out, like how am

1061
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,599
I relevant? Like what else can I do besides you know, shooting?

1062
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,280
And I was like, well, I like to talk obviously,

1063
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,320
and like I know everybody in the industry, and I

1064
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,159
feel like they trust me. And I've always felt that

1065
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,840
if people, you know, people who judge sex workers, if

1066
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,119
they just knew them, if they just like spent a

1067
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,719
day with them, they just sat down and talked to them,

1068
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:21,559
they would realize that they are some of the funniest,

1069
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:28,440
most intelligent, most creative, inspirational like people, like they're incredible,

1070
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,840
you know, they're all sorts. And I was like, well,

1071
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,559
I feel like nobody really ever like talks to people

1072
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,719
like that. Why don't I try this podcast thing? I

1073
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,159
heard some people are doing it. I actually thought it

1074
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,199
was this was what seven years ago. I thought it

1075
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,320
was too late to get into the podcast game back then.

1076
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,960
Oh really, I know, it felt like I was coming

1077
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:52,519
like too late, and so yeah, so I started the

1078
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:57,280
show and I did not expect that it would be anything,

1079
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,239
and it ended up being the best thing I ever did.

1080
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: See.

1081
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 4: That's the thing it's like to get to where you

1082
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,119
feel that level of peace.

1083
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of had to go through it.

1084
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I try to remember that, you know,

1085
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,199
when I when I'm going through something that's really hard

1086
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,960
or really difficult, it's like, on the other side is

1087
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,039
something better always, and it's always like that as long

1088
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:20,719
as you can take whatever you're going through is like

1089
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,800
a learning experience.

1090
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's hard.

1091
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,199
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And in the moment it's like almost impossible

1092
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,880
to see that for sure.

1093
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: But there's always like, you know, I think, what the

1094
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,519
phoenix like, you get a burn down.

1095
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,519
Speaker 5: To the ashes rise up.

1096
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,039
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I really like absolutely relate like so

1097
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:42,960
much to to what you're saying.

1098
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so hard times hard times, but look at us

1099
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,239
we're doing.

1100
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,639
Speaker 2: Look how great we're doing. I'm just so happy.

1101
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 5: I think also too, like in terms of shooting for me.

1102
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: And obviously this happened after I had been doing my

1103
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,320
podcast for a couple of years. Uh, once I had

1104
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,960
a kid, I found that I didn't care that much.

1105
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: Really.

1106
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 5: I was so surprised.

1107
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:14,679
Speaker 1: I all, like, all the emotional effort and energy I

1108
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,159
put into like desiring awards and desiring all these accolades

1109
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,840
and wanting to really get to the top and you know,

1110
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,159
have everybody look up to me and you know, be this.

1111
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 5: Wonderful example of the industry.

1112
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,079
Speaker 2: Once I had a kid, I just it doesn't matter.

1113
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,039
Speaker 5: I just I just stopped. I literally just stopped caring.

1114
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: That's so yeah.

1115
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,679
Speaker 1: And it was it was like that, and I could

1116
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,360
never get it back. I could never start caring again.

1117
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 4: Isn't that great though, because I look at these people,

1118
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,840
I see people crying.

1119
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:48,519
Speaker 5: I didn't get on.

1120
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:50,199
Speaker 2: Don't like, it really doesn't matter.

1121
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,079
Speaker 4: It's not going to affect your paychecker. Dah da dah

1122
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,760
you know there's so much more. But yeah, but.

1123
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,159
Speaker 1: I also kind of lost my passion for shooting, too,

1124
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:58,039
which kind of sucked.

1125
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know what I mean. I lost that yet.

1126
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just once I just didn't, you know, I

1127
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,960
didn't want to spend twelve hours on set every day,

1128
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,679
and you will know, you know, I wanted to go

1129
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,079
home right to my kid. And I just, I mean,

1130
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,239
I still like and it got to the point where

1131
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,039
I would get like my order for a shoot, and

1132
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:22,719
you know, this is like when I was working for

1133
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,119
Twisties and like it was great. They were paying me

1134
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,119
more than I'd ever been paid by any other company.

1135
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:29,079
They gave me tons of creative control, they gave me

1136
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,000
a great budget. I was shooting beautiful girls, like my

1137
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:35,039
stuff looked awesome, like it was like the dream.

1138
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: Right. But every time I would get a production order,

1139
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,320
like my heart would sink. I'd be like, oh and

1140
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,840
I yeah, And I was like, what the fuck is

1141
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,320
wrong with me? Right?

1142
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: And I felt so angry with myself because I felt

1143
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,480
like ungrateful and I felt, you know, like.

1144
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 5: Really, just this is what you're who you're supposed to be.

1145
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be this person that loves this, this

1146
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,719
is this was supposed to be your whole life, right,

1147
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,800
And I just and I would get to set and

1148
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,280
I would have.

1149
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,639
Speaker 2: A great time of course, you know, love my crew,

1150
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,480
love the girls.

1151
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,519
Speaker 1: This stuff would come out and I'd be so proud

1152
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,719
of it, so like, but it was always getting like

1153
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,920
the job and like, of course I want the job.

1154
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,119
Speaker 2: I need the money. Like if I didn't get the job,

1155
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:20,000
that'd be bad. But like I couldn't stop that like

1156
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,880
sinking feeling it was really odd, which is a sign,

1157
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:23,880
which is a sign.

1158
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I stopped shooting and I don't miss it, yeah,

1159
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:30,119
like at all.

1160
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,599
Speaker 4: There was another woman in the business that said the

1161
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:35,440
same thing. When she stopped, she was like, I don't

1162
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,039
miss it at all, and I don't miss it.

1163
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. She also had kids and that's where it happened

1164
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:43,920
for her. Yeah, yeah, don't do it. They change your life. No,

1165
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,119
I never will. These are these eggs are dried up people.

1166
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,199
You gonna have it.

1167
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it was kind of disappointing because

1168
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,880
work had always been like the most important thing to

1169
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,880
me and it was everything, like that was my baby,

1170
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,599
right of course, and it was my identity.

1171
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: Then when it happened, I was like, okay, now what Yeah,

1172
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:03,360
now my.

1173
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,679
Speaker 5: Identity is being a mom.

1174
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: Like great that No, I know but you know what

1175
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,239
I mean, Yes, idea, I would be one of those people.

1176
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, so yeah. Do you want to see

1177
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,880
baby pictures after the past? I'm just kidding.

1178
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:20,199
Speaker 4: I saw the well after the baby shower. You sent

1179
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,320
the picture of her with the doll or the bear.

1180
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,079
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, with the little bear that she got.

1181
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Speaker 2: I know, I was so precious. No, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get back to porn. If you had the

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power to reshape how porn is made, what is the

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one thing about the industry that you would get rid

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of first or change.

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Speaker 2: I would say I would make the sex scenes five minutes.

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And it's not because I hate shooting a thirty mins. See,

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but I don't look at the end of the day.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure if they do, if they're tracking, like on

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porn hub or whatever, like how much time people are

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actually watching the scene?

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Speaker 2: Are they watching the duration of the scene.

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Speaker 4: No, I'd be shocked if somebody's sitting there for the

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whole scene watching it like they're watching it to get off,

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And once they've gotten off, why are we doing another

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twenty five minutes?

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the problem is because everybody wants a different

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part of the sine yeah, of course, some people want

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the blowjob, some people want the doggies, some people want

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the missionary.

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Speaker 2: But that's why you got to shoot five minutes of

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each one.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's men. Yeah, because if you look

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at like Nipho Maniac. I don't know if you watch that.

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It was on Netflix, but they did have like hardcore.

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I guess you could say like sex, like you saw

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penises and you know whatever. And I thought it was

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really sexy, and I think a lot of women probably

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would agree with me. And so the reason why I

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say that is I think it's like so much of

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it is is for the tube sides.

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Speaker 2: It is to get chopped up. It's perfluous.

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Speaker 4: So I would say, let's do good stuff movies or

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whatever that has sex, but not a thirty minute sex scene.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also hard to like, I think as

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a filmmaker, you look at that, and nobody wants to

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watch thirty minutes of any one particular thing in a movie.

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You know, like every scene in a movie is like

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two minutes. You want to move on, like, okay, you

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get the point, like you got it, next scene, next scene,

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next scene, like keep the viewer engaged, keep the viewer active. Yes,

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like thirty minutes. It's a nice same thing. Oh my god,

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I'm like, does anybody have sex for thirty minutes?

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Speaker 2: Is this just me?

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Speaker 5: Oh god, I feel like that just seems so long?

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Speaker 4: I know, right, I mean, hey, props to the people

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that do. But I'm like, God, there's so many things

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to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh my god, we should just do a

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series of like an old women gribing about born. No,

1231
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we are not old. We're not old, We're just veterans.

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We are legends, is what we are. Legends for sure. Yeah,

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what are you excited about out in the future of porn?

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Speaker 5: Or are you afraid of?

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Speaker 2: Well? AI? For sure. I think everyone's on that page.

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I think AI. I think what scares me about AI.

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And it's not just with porn's with everything.

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Speaker 4: It's going to replace writers, it's going to replace a

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lot of things, you know, performers, because the AI can

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do whatever. I mean, it can do any position. It's

1241
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not gonna get sore, it's whatever. So I think that

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that scares me.

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Speaker 2: A lot. And the more it advances, I think, the

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more we're going to see it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that people though won't get won't enjoy

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it as much as real people because it's not a

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real person, and like on a deep level, like we

1248
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desire that human connection.

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Speaker 4: I think that our generation perhaps, what are you, Are

1250
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,960
you a millennial? No, I'm gen X, Okay, so I

1251
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think our generation does. But like I there is a

1252
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,239
girl in the business that has an AI boyfriend and

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00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,079
she was talking to me about it and it was

1254
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so fascinating and I was.

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Speaker 6: Just like, she was like, he is the greatest in

1256
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the world, and she was just completely and I'm like,

1257
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,320
but it's not real, Like it's just saying, it's not

1258
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emoting the way a real person would and she just

1259
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:14,559
doesn't it's not clicking in the sense of And there's

1260
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a lot more people that are doing that, that have

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like chat GPT friend like their friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's becoming more and more common. So I

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don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think younger generations might not have a problem with it.

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For me, yeah, I mean I want to see a

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real person, But I don't know. I think that it's

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an old way of viewing it to say they won't

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because it's not real.

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Speaker 2: I think the younger generations might be fine with it.

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Speaker 1: So this move into family therapy is a really good

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idea because all these people are going to be super

1272
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fucked up because said you're moving on to the other side,

1273
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:49,719
where you gotta like, I mean, there's still going to

1274
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need to be more therapist.

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Speaker 2: There's not enough therapist right now. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and there of course there's people using chat

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GPT for therapy, but I feel like there's always going

1278
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to be a need for therapy, at least for the

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older people.

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Speaker 2: I'll take the old people on's mine. I'll take the

1281
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old people. All right, Well, Jackie, thank you so much.

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I love you too.

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Speaker 1: We do have questions from our Patreon members, which we

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1285
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00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,840
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1288
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,000
But you can also join at patreon dot com slash

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it's not that much. Jackie Darling, where can people find

1291
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you online? Twitter or sorry x Instagram.

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Speaker 4: It's all Jackie, Saint James, Jackie with a y Saint

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St James and then Jackie Saint James dot com which

1294
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I never update, but you can see some old content,

1295
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not sex content, but just you.

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Speaker 5: Know, yeah, got it off.

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Speaker 1: And you guys can find me on Instagram and on

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for joining. I really appreciate you being here and I

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will see you on the next one.