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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, this is left Drive. Yes, yes, I know
Speaker 2: aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Honesty.
Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome back to Sasquatch Hootsy. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being with us for the show. It
Speaker 1: is Sunday. I hope you're having a fantastic weekend. We
Speaker 1: have an amazing show lined up for you. But as always,
Speaker 1: I want to start by inviting you. If you've had
Speaker 1: an encounter and you'd like to be on the show,
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Speaker 1: ago as a guest over with Josh on the Mysteries
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Speaker 1: and we had quite the conversation about Bigfoot in all
Speaker 1: things cryptids. It was a fantastic conversation. I think you
Speaker 1: guys will probably hear some things that you've never heard
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Speaker 2: Bron Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm glad to be here. I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 2: I'm super excited to have you here. You really don't
Speaker 2: need any kind of announcement because anybody that's heard a
Speaker 2: big put no, so you are. So I'm We're really
Speaker 2: excited to have you on, and I'm super excited that
Speaker 2: my co host Daniel got you to come on. I
Speaker 2: know we're gonna get it into a lot of stuff tonight,
Speaker 2: but I thought it might be cool to talk about
Speaker 2: maybe some of the scariest encounters that you have heard
Speaker 2: on your show. Let's just jump right into it.
Speaker 1: There's so many and I'm almost five hundred episodes. I
Speaker 1: was looking today putting together some stuff we're going to
Speaker 1: be over in the UK doing a speaking gig here
Speaker 1: in July. So I'm working ahead and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty two episodes away from five hundred episodes on
Speaker 1: the show. I want to do something special for the
Speaker 1: five hundred episode. Obviously, that said, there's been so many
Speaker 1: Scary is such a subjective thing for people. For me,
Speaker 1: scary is maybe different than you're scary. I tell you,
Speaker 1: some of the closer encounters I think are to me
Speaker 1: some of the scary. Because I've always said I've never
Speaker 1: seen one of these things. I've had some experiences, certainly
Speaker 1: as recently as just a couple of days ago, and
Speaker 1: we could certainly get into that if you want to,
Speaker 1: but having a close up encounter with one of these
Speaker 1: things that comes to mind as the scariest to me.
Speaker 1: One of them was Jeff from Pine Island Research. He
Speaker 1: has his own show on YouTube. We've co hosted together
Speaker 1: a couple of times and done some things over on
Speaker 1: the un Told Radio Network with Doug Hycheck and those guys.
Speaker 1: Jeff had a really scary encounter that I would consider
Speaker 1: to be scary when he was a kid. I think
Speaker 1: it was a teenager. He's out on a boat with
Speaker 1: I think it was his cousin, a couple of friends
Speaker 1: or whatever. They stop at this island and they get
Speaker 1: off to go to the bathroom. He goes up this
Speaker 1: trail and he gets to this area where there's really
Speaker 1: nowhere for him to go. It's either left or right
Speaker 1: and embankment, and straight ahead of him is the sasquatch.
Speaker 1: Steps out of nowhere. This thing is holding I think
Speaker 1: Jeff described it as maybe a six or eight inch round,
Speaker 1: not huge. It was like a log. This thing is
Speaker 1: holding in its and it chunks it at Jeff and
Speaker 1: knocks him off of his feet. It's the only time
Speaker 1: I've ever documented, frankly, that I've ever heard of, really
Speaker 1: of a physical encounter with a sasquatch, other than maybe
Speaker 1: some of the older stories where people have been picked
Speaker 1: up and taken away and those kind of things. But
Speaker 1: it was scary to me because I'm thinking, this thing
Speaker 1: chunked a log and knocks you off of your feet.
Speaker 1: That's pretty scary. Jeff was like, I don't think this
Speaker 1: thing did it on purpose. I think it was just
Speaker 1: a surprise thing, because I think in his mind he said,
Speaker 1: I probably surprised this thing as much as it surprised me.
Speaker 1: He wasn't expecting me to be there, so it chunked
Speaker 1: this log at him and knocked him off of his feet.
Speaker 1: That was pretty scary to me. There's been others in
Speaker 1: the past where these things are looking in the windows
Speaker 1: of houses. That's a pretty scary thing to me. That's
Speaker 1: an eerie kind of thing. It could just be a curiosity,
Speaker 1: but there's part of me that believes that. I certainly
Speaker 1: don't believe every bigfoot is some nefarious monster that's out
Speaker 1: for blood and guts, but I do think these are animals, right.
Speaker 1: There's animalistic behavior there, just looking in kids windows and
Speaker 1: things like that. I've documented a couple of encounters where
Speaker 1: it's happened earlier on in life. I think there was
Speaker 1: one woman I interviewed that she was probably six or
Speaker 1: seven years old, and this thing was constantly looking in
Speaker 1: her window. That was a really scary thing to me
Speaker 1: because I automatically got this feeling, And of course it's subjective.
Speaker 1: I have no idea if this is real or not.
Speaker 1: But my feeling about her story and she felt the
Speaker 1: same way, was it was a female. She thought this
Speaker 1: thing was a female that was possibly looking to take
Speaker 1: her into the woods as its own or whatever the
Speaker 1: needs may be. So that's a pretty scary thing. There's
Speaker 1: been other situations. I had a hunter. This was either
Speaker 1: earlier this year or late last year. I interviewed a
Speaker 1: guy who was out moose or elk hunting with his
Speaker 1: dad out in the Pacific Northwest area. It was a
Speaker 1: really long drawn out story. The gest of it is
Speaker 1: he feels like he was being lured in by wood knocks.
Speaker 1: He's out with his dad. His dad's in a different area.
Speaker 1: He goes to his area and he's hunting, and here's
Speaker 1: the strange wood knocks and he never heard anything like
Speaker 1: that before in the woods. So he's heading towards the
Speaker 1: area where he's here in this knock, and every time
Speaker 1: he would stop to listen, he would get more knocks
Speaker 1: and it would make him go forward. He would go
Speaker 1: towards the knox, and when he stopped, it would knock again.
Speaker 1: This went on. I mean, his entire episode is probably
Speaker 1: one of the longest episodes of Sasquatch Out to See.
Speaker 1: It was a little over an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: I think because he was very detailed with everything that
Speaker 1: went on during his experience. It just culminated into Eventually,
Speaker 1: he got to a point where he was twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five feet away from this row of trees, and this
Speaker 1: huge sasquatch steps out in front of him. He's got
Speaker 1: a high powered rifle. He's moose elk hunting right. I
Speaker 1: can't remember which it was, but he had a really
Speaker 1: high powered rifle. He said, Brian, this thing was not
Speaker 1: big enough for me to take this thing down. I
Speaker 1: felt like I might as well have been carrying a
Speaker 1: sling shot. Basically, he couldn't shoot. He backed out and
Speaker 1: got away from this thing. The couple of things that
Speaker 1: really stuck out to me that were really profound. Maybe
Speaker 1: not as scary as they were profound for me. He
Speaker 1: really broke down because this was like day one of
Speaker 1: a seven or eight day hunting trip, and he didn't
Speaker 1: tell his dad what happened. They'd get up to go hunting.
Speaker 1: Every morning after that he would go sit in the
Speaker 1: truck and his dad would go hunting. Because he was
Speaker 1: scared to go back into the woods. That really tore
Speaker 1: him up for a lot of years. He ended up drinking.
Speaker 1: He told me. He said, I tried to buried it
Speaker 1: in the bottom of a bottle. For years because it
Speaker 1: really tore me up because I was putting my dad
Speaker 1: in a situation that I was afraid to tell him
Speaker 1: what I had seen for whatever reason ridicule. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe me. But it really aided him that he was
Speaker 1: sending his dad out potentially to meet the same thing
Speaker 1: that he had come face to face with that he
Speaker 1: felt was luring him in. And that's the thing he
Speaker 1: kept going back to. He said, I really got the
Speaker 1: feeling that this thing was luring me in to do
Speaker 1: something nefarious to me, and ultimately it didn't. He said,
Speaker 1: maybe it stepped out. So all that I had a
Speaker 1: rifle felt like it's just not worth it. This is
Speaker 1: a human He wasn't sure. Obviously, again it's all subjective.
Speaker 1: There's no way of really knowing. But that was one
Speaker 1: of the scarier experiences for me because I thought, how
Speaker 1: many times did that happen? How many hunters go missing
Speaker 1: while they're hunting, they're never seen again, or they end
Speaker 1: up dead under mysterious circumstances. So my mind started going
Speaker 1: in all these different directions. It was a very popular episode.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of emails who said, I think
Speaker 1: this guy's full of shit, there's no way of knowing
Speaker 1: that Bigfoot don't do that. Of course, you get those
Speaker 1: people that come out that know everything about bigfoot. Oh,
Speaker 1: they don't do that. They would never lure a hunter
Speaker 1: in with wood knocks because they don't do that. Whatever.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot that went into that. But
Speaker 1: it was a really scary experience for me because a
Speaker 1: he felt like he was being lured in be just
Speaker 1: the way it affected his life after that. He had
Speaker 1: told the story one other time to another podcaster, but
Speaker 1: he had only told parts of the story. He had
Speaker 1: never told everything from beginning to end. So he reached
Speaker 1: out to me and he said, look, I want to
Speaker 1: tell you my story. I want to tell it one time.
Speaker 1: You're the person I'm going to tell it to, and
Speaker 1: then I'm done. I don't want anything to do with
Speaker 1: the big Foot. I don't go out in the woods
Speaker 1: looking for these things. I don't even want to talk
Speaker 1: about it anymore. That really stuck out to me because
Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this before we started recording.
Speaker 1: How many times do people have experiences that they don't
Speaker 1: share they think they're going to be ridiculed. Some people
Speaker 1: tell their own friends and family their own wives or
Speaker 1: husbands that they have experiences and they tell them that
Speaker 1: they're crazy. There's no way that exists. You didn't experience
Speaker 1: what you said your experience. He was definitely not one
Speaker 1: of the people who was looking for any kind of notoriety.
Speaker 1: I've even reached out to him subsequently. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Doug Hichik, those guys are working on Legend Meat Science too,
Speaker 1: this new documentary to go along with the first one
Speaker 1: they did, Yeah back in the what was mid nineties,
Speaker 1: late nineties, they're working around two of Legend Meet Science
Speaker 1: as we speak. Doug was looking for people that he
Speaker 1: wanted to do regression hypnotherapy on, to take them back
Speaker 1: to their experiences to see if it would work to
Speaker 1: pull out more details. This guy came to mind because
Speaker 1: he's not a Bigfoot guy. He's not out looking for
Speaker 1: Bigfoot every week, and that's what Doug was leaning towards.
Speaker 1: He wanted somebody who wasn't died in the wool drinking
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot kool aid every single day. He just wanted
Speaker 1: some Joe Schmoe that had seen something that he wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to see. So this guy came to mind, and
Speaker 1: I reached out to him, and he was like, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you thinking of me, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to revisit that anymore. To me, that is one of
Speaker 1: the most credible things, or it adds an extra layer
Speaker 1: of credibility to somebody's story, because there's plenty of people
Speaker 1: that have been on my show in the past that
Speaker 1: I've interviewed. I think you hear them on every podcast
Speaker 1: outside of yours. I hear them on my show, and
Speaker 1: then I hear them on five or six other podcasts,
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that by any stretch of
Speaker 1: the imagination. I'm certainly not casting stones here, but when
Speaker 1: you're doing the rounds, there seems to be some level
Speaker 1: at least of wanting to share the story for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to people who just don't
Speaker 1: want to share the story at all and you have
Speaker 1: to pull it out of them, it just adds that
Speaker 1: extra layer of credibility. So that was one of the
Speaker 1: scariest and probably most credible experiences that I've documented, And
Speaker 1: of course there's others that come to mind. Abe Canyon
Speaker 1: is a pretty scary event that happened to those miners
Speaker 1: back in nineteen twenty four. But that's way back in
Speaker 1: the day, obviously, And Albert Osman, what is more scary
Speaker 1: than being scooped up and taken into the woods for
Speaker 1: three or four days by a sasquatch that you have
Speaker 1: to escape from. That's pretty scary. And there are the
Speaker 1: people who have claimed to have had similar experiences. Scary
Speaker 1: is the subjective thing. But those are some of the
Speaker 1: ones that automatically sticks out to me over the course
Speaker 1: of what I've done in the last four hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy some odd episodes.
Speaker 2: First off, congratulations on getting through that many, because I
Speaker 2: don't think people understand the amount of work that it
Speaker 2: takes to sit and do this kind of stuff. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of work, it's fun, and I don't take
Speaker 2: sitting in this chair talking to people by lightly because
Speaker 2: it's a big deal. But man, that's a really big deal.
Speaker 2: So congratulations on that. I'm like you when I get
Speaker 2: those emails that they're like, hey, I had this happen
Speaker 2: to me, I'm.
Speaker 1: Looking for answers.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to share this. I'm
Speaker 2: a little worried to share this. Those are the ones
Speaker 2: that really piqued my interest because I'm like, why are
Speaker 2: you telling me? You know, if you don't want to
Speaker 2: share it, what are you gaining from this? Those are
Speaker 2: all very scary encounters. I think we could sit and
Speaker 2: talk about that all night, because these are such a
Speaker 2: strange world. I had a gentleman come on from North Carolina.
Speaker 2: He had this encounter. He just couldn't figure out what
Speaker 2: to do with it. He was a very prominent banker
Speaker 2: in his town. He's listening. I have a lot to lose.
Speaker 2: I don't want to share my story, but I just
Speaker 2: would like to talk to somebody. If he ended up
Speaker 2: coming on the show and talking about it and got
Speaker 2: a lot of answers in it helped him. But man,
Speaker 2: I think those are the ones that are like, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of credibility to that, and not that I'm
Speaker 2: not there when people see these things, and I'm not
Speaker 2: here to prove or disprove anything. But man, there's just
Speaker 2: so many weird things out there. How has on your
Speaker 2: end of this stuff? Sit and listen to these encounters?
Speaker 2: How's that changed your life?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Do you go into the woods?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: I think twice before going out. I will not go
Speaker 2: into the deep woods anymore. But man, how's that changed?
Speaker 2: You here in these encounters.
Speaker 1: Man, it has changed me in so many great ways.
Speaker 1: It is a full time job for me. It is
Speaker 1: the best thing I have ever done in my life.
Speaker 1: I've loved some of my past jobs, but this has
Speaker 1: been certainly the best decision I've ever made to do
Speaker 1: this full time. I've been doing it full time since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, around February March of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: so that has certainly changed my life in great ways.
Speaker 1: But specifically talking to people, my own experiences that I've
Speaker 1: had have changed the way that I interact with the woods.
Speaker 1: We live in the deep woods. I have no choice.
Speaker 1: I'm literally sitting in the woods now inside my house.
Speaker 1: But it has changed the way that I used to
Speaker 1: take night walks on occasion here on our property. We've
Speaker 1: heard vocalizations and I've experienced things here that I don't
Speaker 1: do that anymore. We've camped out and had some weird
Speaker 1: experiences a couple of months ago here on the property
Speaker 1: talking to people, and realize that there is the possibility
Speaker 1: that something is out there that is much larger and
Speaker 1: very dangerous. Honestly, I just be honest. I think these
Speaker 1: things can be very dangerous. It does change you, and
Speaker 1: it makes you think twice about just running off into
Speaker 1: the woods again. Like I said, my own experiences here
Speaker 1: in the vocalizations we've heard on the property. I found
Speaker 1: a trackway three days ago on the property here, and
Speaker 1: stay tuned for more sasquatch oat to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages. I haven't even talked about
Speaker 1: it on my show. This is the second show that
Speaker 1: I've guessed on in the last three days that I've
Speaker 1: talked about this, and I have already talked about it
Speaker 1: on my own show. But I found a trackway that's
Speaker 1: got like fourteen tracks. As I said here, it's about
Speaker 1: sixty yards from my house. It's weird when you find that.
Speaker 1: I'm a very skeptical person. Anybody who listens to my
Speaker 1: show knows I don't drink the Bigfoot kool aid. I
Speaker 1: am very skeptical of my own experiences and everybody else is.
Speaker 1: To be quite honest, I find find something that looks
Speaker 1: like a trackway, go oh, that's cool. It kind of
Speaker 1: looks like, oh shit, that is a footprint. Then the
Speaker 1: more I get into it and the more I look
Speaker 1: at it, I'm saying, there has got to be something
Speaker 1: to this. I actually went out today and did some
Speaker 1: three D scans. We have a Facebook group big Foot
Speaker 1: Encounters and Field Research. On Facebook. When I post something,
Speaker 1: people always have suggestions, and somebody suggested, Hey, use this app.
Speaker 1: It's like a LDAR three D scan thing. Because the
Speaker 1: footprints that I found were in leaf litter, I cast
Speaker 1: a couple of them. I only had a couple of
Speaker 1: pounds of material to cast with, so I picked the
Speaker 1: two best left and right that I could find in
Speaker 1: the fourteen I cast those and it turned out to
Speaker 1: be crap, which most of the cast do quite honestly
Speaker 1: from my experience. I went out and did some scanning
Speaker 1: of that today. I posted a little bit of that online.
Speaker 1: But it just changes you. Because I'm a very Okham's
Speaker 1: Razor kind of guy. I go to whatever the most
Speaker 1: likely explanation is the explanation for what I experience. But
Speaker 1: when you see something like that that I know I
Speaker 1: did do, I know my better half didn't do. I
Speaker 1: know the dogs didn't do it. It's not a bear.
Speaker 1: There's five feet in most cases between these steps of
Speaker 1: these prints that looked like sixteen inch foot prints. What
Speaker 1: else could that be? You get to this point where
Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical, but I'm almost skeptical to a fault.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I was remastering one of
Speaker 1: my earlier episodes today that I'm going to put out
Speaker 1: on Wednesday as we record this. It was episode sixteen
Speaker 1: or seventeen on the show. I'm trying to go back
Speaker 1: and remaster some of those because I've learned a lot
Speaker 1: about audio, and I make things sound a whole lot
Speaker 1: better now that I did back in the first twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty episodes. That's one of the things that Guy
Speaker 1: talked about was how skeptical he was before he ended
Speaker 1: up going on a BFRO investigation and having a ton
Speaker 1: of experience. He didn't see Bigfoot. He saw some eyeshine
Speaker 1: that he thinks might be attributable to Bigfoot, but he
Speaker 1: was very skeptical. He's a scientific guy. I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: what his profession was, but he did a lot with
Speaker 1: snakes and amphibians. He would go out and look for
Speaker 1: endangered snake species.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 1: And everything that happened to him. He's constantly trying to science.
Speaker 1: Guy it right, He's in the woods, going what could
Speaker 1: that be? Eventually he got to the point where I
Speaker 1: think I'm hear in a bigfoot, these vocalizations, they have
Speaker 1: to be a bigfoot. I do that to myself often.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do that, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a healthy way to look at this. But
Speaker 1: you get to a point where at least I'm at
Speaker 1: least to that point now, and people who listen to
Speaker 1: the show they get tired. I get emails about me saying,
Speaker 1: five days out of seven, I think Bigfoot's real, and
Speaker 1: the other two I'm not so sure. But that's really
Speaker 1: the truth. I'm starting to move closer to there's got
Speaker 1: to be something out there. I haven't seen one again.
Speaker 1: Until I do, I can't be one hundred percent all in.
Speaker 1: But when I find what looks like a trackway with
Speaker 1: five foot strides between what looks like a left foot
Speaker 1: and a right foot, I'm casting something that looks like
Speaker 1: it's got toes, And I do a three D scan
Speaker 1: that looks like it has toes. What else could it be?
Speaker 1: It's not a person.
Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do with that? That's the
Speaker 2: thing I don't know about you. A lot of times
Speaker 2: walk away with more questions than answers. And we're both
Speaker 2: former law enforcement, and I think that maybe has a
Speaker 2: lot to do with it. I know that when we
Speaker 2: got to a scene, we're always there after the crime happened.
Speaker 2: We're looking for trace evidence, we're looking for what it
Speaker 2: could be, and it's always the most probable thing that's
Speaker 2: probably what happened. This has got to be what it
Speaker 2: is because you have to check that box. You got
Speaker 2: to write the report, you got to put it in
Speaker 2: the reports. Now the report, it didn't happen. And so
Speaker 2: we think that way a lot of law enforcement do.
Speaker 2: We're prior law enforcement. I don't know that you ever
Speaker 2: get rid of that, but I can understand why you
Speaker 2: feel that way. It's a wild world, and man, some
Speaker 2: of these encounters you hear and you walk away from
Speaker 2: a man that is so crazy. Where do I put that?
Speaker 2: What am I supposed to do with that? And there's
Speaker 2: just there's no answers. But it sounds like you definitely
Speaker 2: have some activity on your property. And when you start
Speaker 2: seeing prints and vocalizations, it starts to make you think, Okay,
Speaker 2: this has got to be more than just an ordinary animal.
Speaker 2: If you don't mind, I know you've not really shared it,
Speaker 2: or maybe you have, but men I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: about some of the vocalizations and different things that that
Speaker 2: have had happened to you, either under property or just
Speaker 2: around the area. I'd love to hear.
Speaker 1: That we bought this property. I guess it was towards
Speaker 1: the end of twenty seventeen. We were living in Georgia
Speaker 1: at the time. We had just left the law enforcement
Speaker 1: field behind in twenty sixteen, and we were looking for
Speaker 1: rural property. I wanted to live on at least twenty
Speaker 1: plus acres, as much as we could get, but at
Speaker 1: least twenty acres. We wanted to be somewhere in the woods,
Speaker 1: and frankly, I wanted to possibly have a situation where
Speaker 1: there might be bigfoot there. I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: was looking for that. So I looked in the areas
Speaker 1: where there's nothing but property around us or other land.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be as isolated as possible, just have
Speaker 1: the possibility of having some sort of activity. We looked
Speaker 1: into that. When we bought the property. We weren't here
Speaker 1: full time. We were going back and forth. We did
Speaker 1: a lot of traveling, We did a lot of volunteering
Speaker 1: or organic farms, and that's a whole another story in
Speaker 1: and of itself. We ended up coming up here on
Speaker 1: the weekends camping out. We lived actually off grid here
Speaker 1: on the property in a shed we were going to
Speaker 1: try to convert into a tiny house for about a
Speaker 1: year and a half. I should probably write a book
Speaker 1: that's a book in and of itself if you've ever
Speaker 1: tried to live off grid without running water and nothing
Speaker 1: but solar power, I highly suggest it because it was
Speaker 1: one of the best years of my life, but it
Speaker 1: was also one of the toughest years we've ever lived.
Speaker 1: Year and a half or so. Surprisingly, during that time
Speaker 1: I wasn't hearing anything. It wasn't until we actually got
Speaker 1: the house we had a tiny house built. We'd live
Speaker 1: in a four hundred square foot tiny house. It's almost
Speaker 1: in the middle of our forty acres. It's surrounded by
Speaker 1: nothing but woods. We're way off the road. It was
Speaker 1: one of the first winters we were here, going into
Speaker 1: fall winter kind of situation. We had a hot tub
Speaker 1: on the end of the deck out front of the house,
Speaker 1: and we would be out sipping wine unwinding at ten eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock at night. I was still working full time
Speaker 1: off property doing my job. I was running a super
Speaker 1: hub for a huge audio parts store. Hated my job.
Speaker 1: I was really stressed out. I was having the unwined
Speaker 1: time in the hot tub. The first thing we heard
Speaker 1: was what sounded like the Ohio Howell vocalization, but it
Speaker 1: was probably a mile and a half. There's a huge
Speaker 1: ridge behind us that goes up to the top of
Speaker 1: our property, and on the other side of that, there's
Speaker 1: probably another one hundred and fifty two hundred acres behind
Speaker 1: us of nothing. It was coming from that direction. I
Speaker 1: knew what was back there. Would hiked back there. I
Speaker 1: knew it was nothing but woods. You chalk it up.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, it's probably a coyote. Maybe it's some
Speaker 1: kind of dog howling or something. Sip your wine and
Speaker 1: you go on about your day. That happened probably over
Speaker 1: the course of that season, that winter fall season of
Speaker 1: that year, probably six times. It would just be a
Speaker 1: fleeting thing, it's just in the distance. One time, then
Speaker 1: you'd be done. That following I guess it was March
Speaker 1: April lish of twenty twenty one. I had done a
Speaker 1: couple of interviews that day. I was doing some show
Speaker 1: notes and finishing up. We have an upstairs loft. It's
Speaker 1: almost the full size of the house itself that we
Speaker 1: sleep in, huge space upstairs, surrounded by nothing but windows,
Speaker 1: and we had the windows up it because it was
Speaker 1: like fifty degrees outside. We hear the same Ohio Howell
Speaker 1: type vocalization, but this time it's thirty to forty yards
Speaker 1: away from the house in the woods behind us, from
Speaker 1: the opposite direction where we normally hear it on this ridge.
Speaker 1: It's weird because it's one of those things when you
Speaker 1: hear something like that, it's six eight seconds long, you
Speaker 1: feel it as much as you hear it. It's so
Speaker 1: difficult to explain because I've had so many people come
Speaker 1: on the show and tell me about vocalizations, and they
Speaker 1: always say that, oh, I felt it in my bones,
Speaker 1: or I felt it in my chest, or it felt
Speaker 1: as loud as it sounded, those kind of things. But
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we experienced. Look over at my better
Speaker 1: half and I'm like, did you hear that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? What was that? That was weird?
Speaker 1: What do you think it was? We're doing this back
Speaker 1: and forth again, you get to the point where it
Speaker 1: was one of two things. It was either a person
Speaker 1: or it was probably a sasquatch. Those are the only
Speaker 1: two things that could have made that sound. There's nothing
Speaker 1: else in nature that I've heard. There's nothing else in
Speaker 1: North Carolina that sounds like that. It wasn't a coyote,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a wolf, it wasn't a cat, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a raccoon, it wasn't a squirrel. You go down this
Speaker 1: litany of things that it could be, and you check
Speaker 1: all those boxes and go I'll tell you, I think
Speaker 1: you're in maybe a rural area as well. People who
Speaker 1: don't live in rural areas may not understand this. You
Speaker 1: don't come on other people's property here unless you're enjouted exactly.
Speaker 1: We have a purple paint law here in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: We have purple paint on all the trees that border
Speaker 1: the road where we live on. People just know we
Speaker 1: probably should keep driving if we're not invited there. That's
Speaker 1: just the reality of it. I'm not a proponent of violence.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you should shoot anybody. However, if somebody
Speaker 1: were on our property at that time of night, particularly,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to end badly. People ask me, what
Speaker 1: did you go out and check? No, I didn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't important enough for me to figure out at that point,
Speaker 1: because had you heard the same thing I did. I
Speaker 1: think very few people. I know a few people who
Speaker 1: probably ran right towards it. I'm not twenty years old anymore.
Speaker 1: I used to run towards gunfire a lot in the
Speaker 1: police department. I don't do that anymore. I'm a little
Speaker 1: smarter than that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it takes a while to grow up. I'm
Speaker 2: like you, man, I used to run to the fire.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to sit here and think about it
Speaker 2: and let somebody younger than me go find out what
Speaker 2: that is, because I'm good with just here to I
Speaker 2: hear a lot of people that come on the show
Speaker 2: and they talk about that. The vocalizations almost every one
Speaker 2: of them are like it rattled my chest. I felt
Speaker 2: it to my core, but shook my bones, that type
Speaker 2: of thing. And I'm like you, man, I still a
Speaker 2: lot time in the woods. I've never heard another animal
Speaker 2: that can do that, not a person, not anything being
Speaker 2: up there in your house. I wouldn't have left either,
Speaker 2: I'd just sit right there, man, So I don't blame
Speaker 2: you for that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard other things that was pretty much the
Speaker 1: pentacle of the vocalizations. But then I guess the next
Speaker 1: weird thing would be what I've called a gifting situation,
Speaker 1: where it's a really long story, but I'll give you
Speaker 1: the very short version. I still walk the dogs on
Speaker 1: this path. It's a couple of acres that we walk
Speaker 1: every morning. We've literally cut paths so we can walk
Speaker 1: the dogs around this beautiful part of our property. There's
Speaker 1: this old cedar stump that's probably twelve fourteen inches around.
Speaker 1: It's on the right hand side of the path that
Speaker 1: we walk past every day. I'm walking past that one
Speaker 1: morning with the dogs, which I do at least twice
Speaker 1: a day. We walk past the stump and something catches
Speaker 1: my eye. It's a white, bleached white turtle shell, a
Speaker 1: little box turtle maybe five inches around. It is stuck
Speaker 1: into the side of the stump. I'm like, that is
Speaker 1: so weird. So I walk over, I look at it.
Speaker 1: I take the dogs back, and I end up getting
Speaker 1: my phone and I come back and I'm looking at it,
Speaker 1: thinking how did this get here? It's completely bleached twide
Speaker 1: It's clearly been out in the sun for months, maybe
Speaker 1: even a year at this point. It wasn't there the
Speaker 1: day before. It's stuck into the side. It's not just
Speaker 1: laying on its back. It's not put on top, it's
Speaker 1: stuck into the side of the stump. It was the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing. So I start doing some research. I start googling.
Speaker 1: I'm looking, and I start finding people are posting about
Speaker 1: finding these turtle shells and they believe that it's got
Speaker 1: something to do with Bigfoot activity. They're finding them with
Speaker 1: rocks in them or leaves in them, and they feel
Speaker 1: like they're being left. Sometimes they are taking things that
Speaker 1: people are leaving and they're leaving these in the place
Speaker 1: of apples and peanut butter or whatever. I did some videos,
Speaker 1: and of course I am the Bigfoot podcast guy. I
Speaker 1: had a very difficult time wrestling with putting this stuff
Speaker 1: out there because I'm thinking people are going to think
Speaker 1: I'm either batshit crazy or they're going to think I'm
Speaker 1: completely making this stuff up just to boost up the show,
Speaker 1: like somehow that's going to help my ratings. More people
Speaker 1: are going to listen to the show because I found
Speaker 1: a turtleshell. Long story short, I couldn't figure that out.
Speaker 1: I started putting stuff on the stump. I started trying
Speaker 1: to gift. I've never been into the gifting thing. I
Speaker 1: still don't necessarily believe that's a thing, but I had
Speaker 1: to try it because I thought maybe there is a possibility. Right,
Speaker 1: we don't eat a whole lot peanut butter, or didn't
Speaker 1: back then. We ate ground up sunflower seeds sun butter.
Speaker 1: I would take jars of that out. We've had some disappear.
Speaker 1: Something had to pick it up because this log was
Speaker 1: like hollowed out because it was really rotten. So I'd
Speaker 1: stick it down in there really far, so something would
Speaker 1: have to work to get it out. You just couldn't
Speaker 1: walk up and just pick it up. They would disappear.
Speaker 1: I put some trail cams up, never got pictures or
Speaker 1: videos of anything but raccoons all around the stump. But
Speaker 1: I never got pictures or video of them actually messing
Speaker 1: with anything that I left on the stump. That one on.
Speaker 1: A couple of times, missing jars completely gone, never found them,
Speaker 1: still haven't found them. Lids and all just gone. Full
Speaker 1: pound or so of sun butter just gone. So I
Speaker 1: started thinking, Okay, I know people put apples out. We
Speaker 1: had some apples in the house that were getting They
Speaker 1: weren't completely jawn at this point, like mushy, but they
Speaker 1: had some brown spots. I'm not a fan of eating
Speaker 1: an apple with a brown spot on it. I took
Speaker 1: one of those apples out. I stuck it on a stick.
Speaker 1: I took it up to the stump. I stuck it
Speaker 1: in the middle of the stump, and I left it there.
Speaker 1: Next day, still there, next day, still there, next day,
Speaker 1: still there. Nothing touched it. I was pulling the SD
Speaker 1: card out of the camera, a little cheap bro cam
Speaker 1: that had gotten from Amazon. I pulled the card. Every night.
Speaker 1: I was seeing raccoons dancing around the stump this apple is.
Speaker 1: I think I saw as many as four or five
Speaker 1: at one point, but they never touched it. They never
Speaker 1: went near it. So I would pull this footage from
Speaker 1: the night before. The apple is completely undisturbed. Right, I've
Speaker 1: got footage of raccoons. It takes still photos and it
Speaker 1: would take video, so take a still photo and then
Speaker 1: it'd take ten seconds of video. And it just alternated.
Speaker 1: So like the fourth night, I'd go out there. Of course, typical, right,
Speaker 1: I kept the SD card. I didn't put the SD
Speaker 1: card back in the camera because it's been three days
Speaker 1: nothing's happened. The apple's not touched. Of course. The fourth day,
Speaker 1: I go out, I walk past and I see the
Speaker 1: apple from a distance, but something look different. I walk over.
Speaker 1: I pick up the apple on the stick, same as
Speaker 1: it was. Maybe it was moved a little bit, but
Speaker 1: it's still on the stick. I pick it up. It
Speaker 1: looked like something had just taken a bite out of
Speaker 1: the apple. And stay tuned for more sasquatch oat to see.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages. I have pictures.
Speaker 1: I would gladly send you these pictures. I'm sure I
Speaker 1: still have them on my phone. It looked like a
Speaker 1: bite had been taken out of the side of this
Speaker 1: moldy apple. It molded at this point. It was disgusting,
Speaker 1: but it looked like a human bite. It wasn't taken
Speaker 1: off the stick, It wasn't laying on the ground. It
Speaker 1: was still in the same position, stuck on the stick
Speaker 1: in the middle of the stump. It literally looked like
Speaker 1: somebody picked up It's almost like a candy apple on stick.
Speaker 1: Something bit it and stuck it back into the sum.
Speaker 1: So I bring the apple and the stick back and
Speaker 1: I took a couple of photos of it. I texted
Speaker 1: them to Wanne, my co host on that Bigfoot podcast.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell the many contexts. He didn't know anything
Speaker 1: that was going on. I just said, take a look
Speaker 1: at these photos and tell me what you think about this.
Speaker 1: He immediately texted back and said, it looks like you
Speaker 1: took a nasty bite out of a horrible apple. That's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Why would you do? Then I told him the story. He's,
Speaker 1: holy shit, dude, that's you're joking, right. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. Like, I put the apple out there,
Speaker 1: this is what I found. I sent it to Doug
Speaker 1: Hichik and he was like, dude, that looks like a
Speaker 1: sasquatch bit your apple.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was either a person went hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 1: yards into my property, probably at this point the three
Speaker 1: or four acres back into my property from the nearest road,
Speaker 1: found the apple on the stick and decided to take
Speaker 1: a bite out of it and stick it back down there.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I don't know what makes sense
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes no sense, man.
Speaker 1: That happened. One of the things people asked me before,
Speaker 1: I have you ever heard woodknocks? Never had heard wood
Speaker 1: knocks until I think it was right before or right
Speaker 1: after I came back from Radium on the expedition with Todd.
Speaker 1: I went out to we pee off the porch. Here
Speaker 1: there's nobody around. I went out till three o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning to take a whiz off the porch. I
Speaker 1: hear four or five power knocks. That's the only way
Speaker 1: I can describe the quintessential stereotypical power knock. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, we live in a rural area, right, we
Speaker 1: live in a rural small town. We're ten minutes outside
Speaker 1: of town, but you feel like you're one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty miles away when you're out here in the woods.
Speaker 1: It's a small town. Like they roll up the sidewalks
Speaker 1: at policed in the City of Atlanta, like three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning and Buckhead it's banging, dude, there's everybody
Speaker 1: on the street. It's not the same thing here. People
Speaker 1: aren't out at three o'clock in the morning, and they're
Speaker 1: certainly not banging on something that sounds like wood on wood.
Speaker 1: It was back again up over this ridge area where
Speaker 1: those vocalizations we had heard the years prior. In the
Speaker 1: distance I did hear that it was weird. We've had
Speaker 1: other weird things with lights going here. We were talking
Speaker 1: to friends about this recently. I'm not saying that this
Speaker 1: is any way connected to Bigfoot. I'm just putting all
Speaker 1: the weirdness on the property out there. We've woken up
Speaker 1: at least three or four times since we've been here
Speaker 1: full time to the woods around the house. We're talking
Speaker 1: three four o'clock in the morning, we'll wake up. This
Speaker 1: super bright spotlight is being shown on top of the house.
Speaker 1: The entire house inside is lit up. The light is
Speaker 1: what wakes us up. We've experienced this, like I said,
Speaker 1: two or three times, I don't know what to make
Speaker 1: of it, man, and it just fades away. It's gone.
Speaker 1: Some weird stuff going on, some weird stuff. Then. I've
Speaker 1: cast a number of footprints on the property. The first
Speaker 1: one that I found that wasn't doing anything Bigfoot related.
Speaker 1: We were taking a break down and I wanted to
Speaker 1: just hike an area that we've never been because forty acres,
Speaker 1: it's not a ton of property. It sounds probably like
Speaker 1: more than it is, but there are places that we
Speaker 1: still haven't hiked. So we try to hike a different
Speaker 1: area each time to see a different part of the property.
Speaker 1: We went to the farthest end that butts up to
Speaker 1: another neighbor's I think they have sixteen acres on the
Speaker 1: other side of us. We went on that side. I
Speaker 1: wasn't even going to bring my phone because I was
Speaker 1: just unplugging it, but I decided to take my phone
Speaker 1: at the last minute. We're probably ten fifteen minutes into
Speaker 1: the hike. It takes about forty five minutes to hike
Speaker 1: to the back of our property. I'm going along and
Speaker 1: I cross over this little area. It's like a creek
Speaker 1: and they're standing water. There's probably three days before that.
Speaker 1: We had this little break this day of rain, and
Speaker 1: then we had another couple of days of rain coming in.
Speaker 1: So we had this little window to hike and I
Speaker 1: look down and I see what looks like a footprint.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, that's cool, man, Like, that's paradoia. Man,
Speaker 1: it's paradoia footprint in the mud in this water. It's cool.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a picture of that. So I
Speaker 1: get my phone out and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: taking a picture of some paradoil. I'm gonna post this later.
Speaker 1: And as they get closer to take a better picture.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, it looks like toes. Oh there's one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that looks like a foot. And then
Speaker 1: I see a heel and it looks like it's slid
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh my god, this can't be happening.
Speaker 1: And I still convinced myself that it was just paradilia.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this is still cool. I'm going to take
Speaker 1: a few pictures, so I took three or four pictures
Speaker 1: of it. I can gladly send you those as well.
Speaker 1: We go on up on our hike and then I
Speaker 1: start finding these weird I don't know what to call
Speaker 1: them other than stick structures like these weird bent woven
Speaker 1: things that almost looked like possible nests that were the
Speaker 1: huge things. I'm thinking, that's weird. We find some what
Speaker 1: looked like weird tree breaks and stuff. I took a
Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of this stuff, and full crumb things
Speaker 1: like these things are bent over and then there's other
Speaker 1: sticks balanced on top of them, like a full crumb thing,
Speaker 1: almost like a seesaw kind of thing. Weird. Then we
Speaker 1: get to the back of the property and this is
Speaker 1: actually in the book. I put most of these pictures
Speaker 1: I'm talking about are in the book. This picture of
Speaker 1: there's probably a four foot rock stack at the very
Speaker 1: back of our property. There's just rocks stacked on top
Speaker 1: of other rocks. I'm thinking, okay, paraduley footprint. What looks
Speaker 1: like nests full crumbs. Then I got a rock stack.
Speaker 1: We're hearing vocalization. There's just all the stuff adding up
Speaker 1: that particular footprint. And now I've cast other footprints. I
Speaker 1: didn't cast that one. I didn't have material. It was
Speaker 1: in water. It was raining before it rained a couple
Speaker 1: of days after. But fast forward. I did a speaking
Speaker 1: gig out in Idaho last summer. I was out there
Speaker 1: with Cliff Barrickman from Finding Bigfoot. Doctor Jeff Meldrim was there.
Speaker 1: It was me, Michael Freeman. We went to dinner that night,
Speaker 1: Cliff and I and Michael and another guy named Brandon.
Speaker 1: We all went out to have dreams after dinner, and
Speaker 1: we're sitting around and if you're familiar with Cliff, he
Speaker 1: knows a thing or two about footprints, right, He's probably
Speaker 1: looked at as many as Jeff has at this point.
Speaker 1: So I pulled out my phone. We were talking about
Speaker 1: other stuff and I'm looking through pictures and cliffs, like
Speaker 1: what is that? So I handed my phone. I'm like,
Speaker 1: just look at these pictures. There's three pictures, and tell
Speaker 1: me what you think of that. And he's like, oh, dude,
Speaker 1: that's a sasquatch footprint. Where'd you get that? Did you
Speaker 1: cast that? So I tell him the story and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I thought it was paradolia, dude. He's no, clearly, like
Speaker 1: he's zooming in and he's showing me toes and he
Speaker 1: showing me what And I'm like, oh my god, but
Speaker 1: I have cast a couple of footprints I cast this
Speaker 1: past summer that were in the same area that I
Speaker 1: just told you about the trackway that I found recently.
Speaker 1: There are probably sixty sixty five yards from the house.
Speaker 1: They're probably some of the best tracks I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: perfectly in this area. We'd cleared out this area where
Speaker 1: we're going to put in a little like a little
Speaker 1: six by three or six by four pind for our ducks.
Speaker 1: We no longer have them. Coyotes and foxes took care
Speaker 1: of them, unfortunately over the last year, but we were
Speaker 1: going to make them this area I had dug it out.
Speaker 1: I didn't take the time to go out and finish
Speaker 1: the project. We're going to put this big trough in there,
Speaker 1: but the rain washed a bunch of silt dirt down
Speaker 1: into this hole that we had just dug out. It
Speaker 1: was like the perfect spot. I go out there and
Speaker 1: we'd had this weird thing where we had a small chicken.
Speaker 1: We still have a small chicken coop up there, and
Speaker 1: the bigger one is down a different area. But we'd
Speaker 1: keep the babies up there until they were pullets and
Speaker 1: then we'd put them in with the other chickens. Outside.
Speaker 1: We had some food up there in a decent sized
Speaker 1: metal pail. We'd had issues with something getting into it,
Speaker 1: so we put up bunch of cord over it to
Speaker 1: keep the lid on. But something was picking this up
Speaker 1: and moving it like twenty twenty five feet down beside
Speaker 1: the chicken coop, almost nightly for three or four nights.
Speaker 1: It was just weird. Top was never taken off of it,
Speaker 1: but it was just picked up and moved. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it's weird. It could a raccoon do that? It was
Speaker 1: pretty heavy and probably had for ten pounds of food
Speaker 1: in this thing. I looked out of the deck I
Speaker 1: was going to let the dogs out, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: something's moved this again. It was probably another thirty feet away,
Speaker 1: but this time the lid was off and the contents
Speaker 1: were just poured onto the ground. So I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm don't have to go clean that up. So I
Speaker 1: go up to that area and I find two prints
Speaker 1: in the middle of where we had dug this pond.
Speaker 1: It's almost like something stood there with about a four
Speaker 1: foot stride, because it was probably six feet long, walking
Speaker 1: directly towards the coop where this thing was picked up
Speaker 1: and moved. So I cast those and I didn't talk
Speaker 1: about them. I didn't put the pictures out. I ended
Speaker 1: up putting them in the book. I talked about them
Speaker 1: in one of the chapters of the book, and I
Speaker 1: put the photos in the book because they turned out.
Speaker 1: I say it all the time, they're literally too good.
Speaker 1: There's some of the best looking tracks that I have
Speaker 1: ever seen, certainly that I've ever cast. I've cast some
Speaker 1: others that were very questionable on the property cliffs. One
Speaker 1: of those people, I'll tell you he wrote the forward
Speaker 1: to my book, so he's become a pretty good friend,
Speaker 1: and he told me, dude, I don't give a shit
Speaker 1: what it is. Just cast it. It's probably going to
Speaker 1: turn out to look like crap ninety five percent of
Speaker 1: the time. But you got to cast everything because if
Speaker 1: you are casting real prince, chances are they're going to
Speaker 1: look like crap because they're not made. Because anybody who
Speaker 1: fakes something, they turn out too good. And that's why, honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't put out the last two that I cast
Speaker 1: well outside of the ones that I cast a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago and they turned out to be crap.
Speaker 1: They're not great cast. But the ones that turned out
Speaker 1: to be so good, I was worried about putting them
Speaker 1: out because I knew people were going to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you clearly made those because they're too good. They look
Speaker 1: too good. I don't know. There's definitely something going on, man.
Speaker 1: I've never definitively said I've seen the Sasquatch because I haven't.
Speaker 1: I've had experiences in radium, which we can certainly get
Speaker 1: into and talk about, but I've never definitively said any
Speaker 1: of it sasquatch because I haven't seen what's done it.
Speaker 1: But I've experienced some things that really make me scratch
Speaker 1: my head.
Speaker 2: For sure, Man, you've got a little wild stuff going
Speaker 2: on that property. I definitely think you've got to creature
Speaker 2: on your property, for sure. I think there's too much trace,
Speaker 2: even itce for something to not be there. Man, you
Speaker 2: have all the telltale signs of your typical signs that
Speaker 2: people start encounter on properties and stuff.
Speaker 1: Man, I got so many.
Speaker 2: Questions about all that, and I don't even know where
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: That is some wild stuff.
Speaker 2: I would love to hear your opinion on this. And
Speaker 2: having all these experiences and talking to all these people,
Speaker 2: I have this theory that you're almost marked if you
Speaker 2: haven't encounter of one of these creatures, because the odds
Speaker 2: and chances of you seeing one again or having some
Speaker 2: kind of evidence, or having a run in with a
Speaker 2: cryptid after you have one is pretty high. I don't
Speaker 2: know what your thoughts are with that, but I know
Speaker 2: after talking to a lot of people, I think I'm
Speaker 2: coming up on eighty something episode, so I've not near
Speaker 2: what you've done. But it seems like people that have
Speaker 2: seen these creatures or had run ins or had been
Speaker 2: around all this evidence more than Michaly being going to
Speaker 2: do it again. I don't know if you've talked to
Speaker 2: the gentleman from Almun Labs or not, if you had
Speaker 2: him on your show. If not, you need to. I
Speaker 2: can get you in contact with him. Wild encounter in
Speaker 2: Oregon that he had out there property, wrote a book
Speaker 2: about it. Had a lot of little weird stuff start
Speaker 2: popping up on a property. They casted some prints. They
Speaker 2: brought these prints into the Garazi had built. Next thing,
Speaker 2: there's gifting going on inside of a shop after a slot.
Speaker 2: He can't figure out how this has happened, and gifting
Speaker 2: all over the place. He starts seeing prints everywhere, sees
Speaker 2: Class A signings, as the government starts showing up one
Speaker 2: of those property. You saw all this stuff in, Man,
Speaker 2: it really makes you scratch your head and think, but
Speaker 2: do you think that do you think what you've seen
Speaker 2: one your odds have seen? When again, he pretty high.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I've struggled with this because
Speaker 1: my skeptical brain kicks in. And I've said this so
Speaker 1: many times. I've interviewed people that have went out in
Speaker 1: the woods for decades. I got to interview several people
Speaker 1: that have been in this. Ron Moorehead comes to mind
Speaker 1: who's been out there for a ton of years and
Speaker 1: he's never seen a Sasquatch. Peter Burn one of the
Speaker 1: last four horsemen of Sasquatch, and I interviewed Peter a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago before he passed away. I think
Speaker 1: I was the last person that interviewed him before he died.
Speaker 1: He never after fifty sixty years, he never even found
Speaker 1: a print. I don't think and looking for these things.
Speaker 1: I struggle with that because I used to say this. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I've had to do some self evaluation over the years
Speaker 1: because I used to be when I first got into this,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm very skeptical of this person because
Speaker 1: they've seen Bigfoot twice, and they've seen these orbs, and
Speaker 1: they've seen these weird lights, and then they've had UFO experiences,
Speaker 1: and I just don't know if that's possible. And then
Speaker 1: I had to think. I grew up in haunted houses.
Speaker 1: I had experiences what I believe to be ghost I've
Speaker 1: had a couple of UFO experience. It's probably a handful
Speaker 1: of the UFO experiences where I've actually seen these things.
Speaker 1: I had an experience I think was Bigfoot related where
Speaker 1: I was paced out of the woods by something when
Speaker 1: I was twelve. Now I've had these weird lights footprints
Speaker 1: on my properties. I am now that person, so I
Speaker 1: no longer really think that. I think what happens in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases is I think you just have
Speaker 1: to be open. I think what you put out into
Speaker 1: the universe, into the world, I think you receive back
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, whether you're a kind person,
Speaker 1: if you're a horrible person. And I think it's the
Speaker 1: same thing with cryptids. I think it's the same thing
Speaker 1: with UFOs. I think if you're open to seeing things,
Speaker 1: and I say people all the time, I think I've
Speaker 1: had the UFO experiences I've had because I look up
Speaker 1: into the sky. How many people do that? How many
Speaker 1: people go out at night? You don't see things if
Speaker 1: you're not looking right, You don't see things in the woods.
Speaker 1: If you're not looking, you don't experience things in the woods,
Speaker 1: if you're not in the woods. I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: it's a marked thing. I don't think it's anything that.
Speaker 1: I think you're just open to those experiences. If you
Speaker 1: have an experience that you can't explain and then you
Speaker 1: start looking into it, I think the more you look,
Speaker 1: the more you find. I do think there is some
Speaker 1: synchronicity to all this. I haven't been able to figure
Speaker 1: out exactly what that is. I used to check those
Speaker 1: boxes and say, Okay, you had weird lights and UFOs
Speaker 1: over here, but let's just talk about the bigfoot stuff,
Speaker 1: because I don't think they have anything to do with
Speaker 1: each other. I don't necessarily believe that anymore. I think
Speaker 1: there is more connectivity than maybe I was giving credit
Speaker 1: in the past. I think it just boils down to
Speaker 1: if you're open to those kind of things, I think
Speaker 1: you're going to be more apt to experiences. It's almost
Speaker 1: like if you go into a situation and you're more
Speaker 1: open to receive love, you're probably going to receive more
Speaker 1: love than people who aren't open to it. If you
Speaker 1: go into a situation closed off, or you're pissed off,
Speaker 1: or you're just a horrible person, that's what you tend
Speaker 1: to attract in your life. I don't think cryptids or
Speaker 1: UFOs or these kind of experiences are any different really
Speaker 1: than anything else in life.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, man, and that makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense. And I think that for me, especially talking
Speaker 2: about this topic, almost every day and having the encounters
Speaker 2: like I look for this stuff everywhere. My wife's last
Speaker 2: Sunday because we'll be driving down the road and man,
Speaker 2: I'm always doing the cop thing, looking everywhere, scamming everything.
Speaker 2: That's something I do constantly because I think that's some
Speaker 2: good points. And you've seen it once, then you're aware
Speaker 2: of it, then you notice it, and you look, you're
Speaker 2: more than likely to see it. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: hear your opinion on that because it's really interesting to me.
Speaker 2: I think me and you could sit and talk forever
Speaker 2: with our backgrounds and everything. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: something that's the lightning Rod topic. And I know we
Speaker 2: talked a little bit off air about it, but you
Speaker 2: mentioned the name. I remember I made a post one
Speaker 2: time and they had a picture of his that had
Speaker 2: made And everybody probably knows not what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: but Todd Standing, I've heard some stuff. You actually did
Speaker 2: what a lot of people should do, called him out
Speaker 2: on some stuff because I think that people like that
Speaker 2: really hurt this community. And I'm not one. You know,
Speaker 2: my podcast, I'm all about giving people a safe platform.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm here to do. I'm not here to
Speaker 2: prove or disprove anything. But I think a lot of
Speaker 2: times he's hurt the community. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: community is the right word, but he's hurt it because
Speaker 2: a lot of times you got people we talked about
Speaker 2: that have all these encounters, they're just afraid to come
Speaker 2: forward because of the ridicule. I think that makes it
Speaker 2: harder on people, because I don't know of anybody that
Speaker 2: walks out in the woods and every time they go
Speaker 2: out they have an encounter. If you want to talk
Speaker 2: about it, you don't have to, but I'd love to
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts with that.
Speaker 1: I just love to hear it and stay tuned for
Speaker 1: more Sasquatch Out to see We'll be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages. Yeah, I'm one of those people that do
Speaker 1: the same thing. I've always prided myself. I started sasquatch
Speaker 1: Out It to give people a safe space to come
Speaker 1: on and share their experiences because I wanted it for me.
Speaker 1: I wanted the show started for me to bring people on,
Speaker 1: specifically in the Southeastern United States. I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to people around me and in my area that it
Speaker 1: had experiences with these things. Because you hear that all
Speaker 1: the time in the Pacific, Northwest, Canada and Alaska. I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to people like me in my area.
Speaker 1: I was born and raised in the South that had
Speaker 1: these experiences. I've always prided myself on giving people a
Speaker 1: safe space, and I still do. But the more I've
Speaker 1: gotten into this the show has become more popular, I've
Speaker 1: almost felt a responsibility in some cases to just share
Speaker 1: my opinion about things. I've only done it with a
Speaker 1: handful of people. I don't typically call people out that
Speaker 1: I call them smaller time hoaxters or hucksters. But when
Speaker 1: you make money off of your hoaxes and you're making
Speaker 1: a big name for yourself and people are following you
Speaker 1: and you have a ton of influence and your stuff
Speaker 1: is complete bs, I'm going to call you out. And
Speaker 1: Todd was one of the first people that ever did
Speaker 1: that with because I tell you, the first time I
Speaker 1: saw his videos, I'd be perfectly honest. I've said it
Speaker 1: so many times on other shows and on my own show.
Speaker 1: I was blown away the first time I saw the
Speaker 1: Discovering Bigfoot documentary, and I was like, why is everybody
Speaker 1: in the world not talking about this? Because I was
Speaker 1: fresh into the subject and I say that because I've
Speaker 1: always had an interest. I had to expience it at twelve,
Speaker 1: but to really get into the subject and really get
Speaker 1: into the forums on Facebook and start really going down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole, I was fresh and new to that.
Speaker 1: And then I got into some of the Bigfoot groups,
Speaker 1: about five hundred or so that I joined. When I
Speaker 1: first got into this, I watched the Discovering Bigfoot documentary
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, why is everybody not talking about this?
Speaker 1: They are, I just didn't know it, and that, of
Speaker 1: course it's the Muppets, And so I went back and
Speaker 1: watched it again, and then I put the kool Aid down.
Speaker 1: I had the couple of kool aid and I just
Speaker 1: set it on the table and I said, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to watch this one more time, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to wear a different lens here. I'm gonna put the
Speaker 1: cop brain on. I'm going to put the skeptic brain on,
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to watch this dude. And I
Speaker 1: tell you, I was sick by the end of it,
Speaker 1: because if you watch it from the correct lens, you
Speaker 1: see how manipulative this dude is. He's manipulating doctor Jeff Meldrim,
Speaker 1: who I consider now a friend, the late doctor John Bendernagel.
Speaker 1: I think he was really railroading, and he's continued this
Speaker 1: throughout his career. You see it more and more, especially
Speaker 1: when you're with him personally. I've had this experience a
Speaker 1: couple of times personally in the flesh with Todd since then,
Speaker 1: and I've seen it so many times on some of
Speaker 1: his videos that I've seen after my trip up to Radium.
Speaker 1: He's the best used car salesman that there is on
Speaker 1: the lot. He can sell ice cubes to eskimos, and
Speaker 1: that's what he's done with Bigfoot, because if you watch
Speaker 1: that documentary, he's doing that throughout. He's doing it with
Speaker 1: the audience with the camera, and he's also doing it
Speaker 1: with two PhDs that he's playing like he's sculpting them
Speaker 1: before our eyes, honestly. And once I went back and
Speaker 1: looked at it from that lens and I saw through
Speaker 1: some of the charade, and then I looked at the
Speaker 1: videos a little closer, and I'm thinking, yes, especially that
Speaker 1: Caboda video. Towards the end he calls it Caboda, it
Speaker 1: looks like Todd or his dad like laying on the
Speaker 1: ground with some black shoe polish on his face. I
Speaker 1: was like, are you kidding me? And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you one of the things that really got me. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I think Wayne my Coast on that Bigfoot podcast,
Speaker 1: he and I had a conversation about this months ago.
Speaker 1: At this point, there was that one scene in the
Speaker 1: documentary where Todd is out there by himself. These things
Speaker 1: are around him and he's yelling. He's setting off the
Speaker 1: flares in the background. I think you can see this glove.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's not a glove. It's clear to the sasquatch.
Speaker 1: This sasquatch reach over the stump and pull the apple,
Speaker 1: and he goes back and shows you look, the apple's there,
Speaker 1: and now it's gone. The apple's there, now it's gone.
Speaker 1: I watched that, and I tell you the vocalizations I've
Speaker 1: heard that before. I actually had a person send me
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call him out by name, but I've
Speaker 1: had somebody send me audio in the past that he
Speaker 1: claimed it was a sasquatch. But it was in this
Speaker 1: weird slow mode video that was dubbed over with no
Speaker 1: other audio. It was just these vocalizations in the background.
Speaker 1: I ended up sending it over to Doug Hichik. He
Speaker 1: sent it back in twenty seconds. He said, that's clearly
Speaker 1: fake and it's dubbed over. That's what those vocalizations sound
Speaker 1: like in the Discovering Bigfoot documentary with Tide and this
Speaker 1: fake I'm scared. It's just complete bs, dude. And when
Speaker 1: I watched that again, I just completely shifted and then
Speaker 1: I just went off the rails with it, and I
Speaker 1: just said, I think he's hoaxing, and I called him
Speaker 1: a hoaxer. For a couple of years on the show,
Speaker 1: I kept trying to get him on. I wanted to
Speaker 1: have a conversation with him. He would not come on
Speaker 1: the show. I finally reached out to Less Stroud. Survivor
Speaker 1: Man got less Stroud on the show and I knew
Speaker 1: he'd been out with Todd. Less is a big deal
Speaker 1: for me. I grew up on Survivor Man. I loved
Speaker 1: the show. I had respect for Less as a person.
Speaker 1: He's just a cool dude. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for me. He didn't really have a dog in
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot fight, at least I didn't think so at
Speaker 1: the time. I had him on the show and we
Speaker 1: talked about Todd once I that. He said, look, I
Speaker 1: have some issues with Todd because everything was bigfoot when
Speaker 1: we were out, he said, I held the SD cards
Speaker 1: of his stuff in my hand, and I can't tell
Speaker 1: you that they're faked. As far as the videos, the
Speaker 1: images that he purports to be sasquatch, he said, I
Speaker 1: always had this problem with where was the lead up?
Speaker 1: Where was the before and after footage?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because you're a videographer man, you film stuff. There's always
Speaker 1: a before and after, right, It's never just the shot.
Speaker 1: But with Todd it is and we've never seen that.
Speaker 1: And that was always a sticking point for Less. So
Speaker 1: after Less came on the show, I guess it was
Speaker 1: probably two weeks later, I get an email from Todd
Speaker 1: and miraculously he's agreed to come on my show. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: So he comes on and we had a good conversation.
Speaker 1: I'd be honest, I've made no qualms about it. I
Speaker 1: like the guy. He's a charismatic dude. He's a bit
Speaker 1: of an ass, but once you get past that, we
Speaker 1: can all be that. I like the dude. I ended
Speaker 1: up he still got a couple of my videos. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the less strout interview is still
Speaker 1: posted on his Sylvanic Bigfoot channel on YouTube. He's probably
Speaker 1: still making money off You're Welcome, Todd. So I called
Speaker 1: him out. He got a little heated on the show.
Speaker 1: People actually watched that episode and thought he had admitted
Speaker 1: to hoaxing because he got so close. I pushed him
Speaker 1: to the point of saying, I've had conversations with people,
Speaker 1: and it's clear that if I hoaxed, these are the
Speaker 1: reasons he starts going down because I'm sure shit finding footprints,
Speaker 1: I'm sure finding this. If I hoaxed it, it was
Speaker 1: for species recognition and protection of these creatures. I almost
Speaker 1: had him, but he's smarter than that. Long story short,
Speaker 1: he kept telling me. He challenged me to come up
Speaker 1: to the research areas, come out and see for yourself.
Speaker 1: I was like, did, I'm not paying you four thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to come up there and spend a week in
Speaker 1: the woods. I'm not doing that. So ultimately it got
Speaker 1: to the point where I didn't pay four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to go up there. He invited me up there, and
Speaker 1: I went up last October. I spent seven days in
Speaker 1: the woods with Todd and Kyle. I think you've had
Speaker 1: Kyle on the show in the past. Kyle was there
Speaker 1: and his dad, Richard Todd's research partner and girlfriend Ashley.
Speaker 1: They're no longer together, but Ashley was there as well.
Speaker 1: And I tell you I had some experiences I can't explain.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: We were eighteen miles deep in the woods. That was
Speaker 1: check mark number one for me, because I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how remote this place was until I actually went. We
Speaker 1: lost cell signal like thirty five miles before we turned
Speaker 1: off with this logging road that took us almost another
Speaker 1: twenty miles deep in the woods. It's remote, right, There's
Speaker 1: no way that people were out there hoaxing people. So
Speaker 1: that was check mark number one. I thought, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy clearly doesn't just have people out here throwing rocks
Speaker 1: or doing whatever. He's making these vocalizations. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: experienced several vocalizations wood knocks. There was a couple of
Speaker 1: times I think I interacted with a sasquatch doing wood knocks,
Speaker 1: whoops and other things. I heard what Sam did like
Speaker 1: samurai chatter. We had rocks thrown at us a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I found thousands of tree breaks. I'm not
Speaker 1: really sold on the tree break thing. But if tree
Speaker 1: breaks are a real thing, the sasquatch and his research
Speaker 1: area are tree breakers and tons of footprints. I found
Speaker 1: trackways that I took my too. Nobody led me there.
Speaker 1: Todd didn't lead me there. I went off on my
Speaker 1: own and found what looks like trackways with these huge
Speaker 1: footprints that looked very Sasquatch like. And I've made no
Speaker 1: qualms about it. I said it, especially after going up there.
Speaker 1: If I were a Sasquatch, I would want to live
Speaker 1: in his research area. It is perfect. It is one
Speaker 1: of the prettiest places I've ever been. I don't doubt
Speaker 1: that they're sasquatch activity there. If these things are real,
Speaker 1: they would be there. I just don't believe what he's
Speaker 1: putting out. As far as his videos. Again, Todd was
Speaker 1: very gracious. He invited me into his home. He fed
Speaker 1: me again. The guys, he's a decent dude, he's a father.
Speaker 1: I don't hate the man by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: I just think he's hoaxing bigfootshit. Most people probably don't
Speaker 1: know this, but just recently Todd has installed video cameras
Speaker 1: in his research area. There's a couple of trailers there
Speaker 1: that people stay in when you go on expedition. If
Speaker 1: you've been to base camp, you know what it looks like.
Speaker 1: The guy who put him up there actually reached out
Speaker 1: to me about a month ago and told me that
Speaker 1: he was doing this because he's been up there on
Speaker 1: expedition a couple of times that he wanted to do
Speaker 1: this partner with Todd and put up these cameras for
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour a day, seven day a week,
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five day view of this base
Speaker 1: camp area. We're supposed to be sending me the app
Speaker 1: that they've created for people to have access to. This
Speaker 1: is not live, but he's going to send me a
Speaker 1: version of it on my phone so I can get
Speaker 1: the sort of the first look at these cameras. I'm
Speaker 1: anxious to see that because I told Logan, I said, dude,
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea, because you think I
Speaker 1: experienced things around base camp. One of the guys that
Speaker 1: was with me, Richard Kyle's dad, said he had a
Speaker 1: sighting one night, three o'clock in the morning outside the camper,
Speaker 1: So I think things are happening there. But you got
Speaker 1: to understand dude, there could be a sasquatch. Nobody's going
Speaker 1: to believe it because it's tied Standing's research area, so
Speaker 1: just know that when it happens, and he's fully aware
Speaker 1: of that. So interesting stuff. Man. I'm anxious to see
Speaker 1: what the cameras look like. I think you can actually
Speaker 1: move them. I know you can take the last sixty
Speaker 1: seconds of footage and share it with people. So if
Speaker 1: you do, you see something. He's got the capability of
Speaker 1: doing that. So look, it's supposed to give me access
Speaker 1: to that, hopefully in the next couple of days or so,
Speaker 1: before it goes live here in a few months for
Speaker 1: everybody else. So I'm anxious to see what comes out
Speaker 1: of that. I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, wow, he brought us some good points and
Speaker 2: I think I feel exact same way. Do I think
Speaker 2: that there's there's gonna be satisfat chat there? Absolutely. Do
Speaker 2: I think that he's had encounters with them, Yeah, more
Speaker 2: than likely. But I think that he saw a way
Speaker 2: to make a lot of money and he took something
Speaker 2: that was real and he just tried to get I
Speaker 2: don't want to use words famous, but tried to get
Speaker 2: It's like you hear Tom standing and most people they
Speaker 2: know who that is, regardless if they're end of the
Speaker 2: big foot world or not. And I hate that, man,
Speaker 2: because it's like, what if they're there, what if they're
Speaker 2: really seeing stuff? But now, like you said, it's a
Speaker 2: cool thing that they're doing. That is awesome. I'd love
Speaker 2: to see it. But if I saw something and my
Speaker 2: first thought was like, yeah, but what is it right?
Speaker 2: And you know, in law enforcement, once you lose your
Speaker 2: credibility on the stand, you were done. You're done. And
Speaker 2: it's almost like the same thing. I'm sure he's a
Speaker 2: great dry and I'm sure that he's probably had encounters, man,
Speaker 2: but I hate that he's too good that hard because
Speaker 2: it's just for me. It's ruined something and makes it
Speaker 2: hard on everybody else. I would do an injustice to
Speaker 2: this thing if I didn't ask you two more things
Speaker 2: before we got off here, man number one, I got
Speaker 2: to hear a cop story. We can sit probably in
Speaker 2: swap cop stores back and forth if you're up to that.
Speaker 2: But one thing I want to ask, and I get
Speaker 2: flacked for asking this, but I'm not trying to copycat anybody.
Speaker 2: I really want to know because I asked my guest this,
Speaker 2: what do you think these things are? What do you
Speaker 2: think they are?
Speaker 1: I've went back and forth on that question so many times.
Speaker 1: I used to be in the camp of more along
Speaker 1: the lines of what Cliff thinks. I think he's more
Speaker 1: in the paranthropists possibly, But I tell you the more
Speaker 1: I've had conversations with Matt Pruitt, Matt, it's a friend
Speaker 1: of mine. If you've read The Phenomenal Sasquatch, it is
Speaker 1: a no pun intended, It is a phenomenal book. So
Speaker 1: if you guys are into a book, obviously I wrote
Speaker 1: a book, you can read that as well, but I
Speaker 1: would recommend Matt's book. He's a super smart guy. He's
Speaker 1: one of the smartest people I've ever met when it
Speaker 1: comes to Bigfoot, just in general really, but he's more
Speaker 1: along the lines of Gigantopithicus, and he makes some really
Speaker 1: good points of why. There's a couple of breakdowns that
Speaker 1: Matt does that are really intelligent in his book that
Speaker 1: make you scratch your head. It's moved me in that direction.
Speaker 1: If Gigantopithecus could have made it to North America, I
Speaker 1: think it is a good candidate for Bigfoot. Sasquatch than
Speaker 1: I previously would have considered. For the very smart way
Speaker 1: that Matt breaks it down in some of the things
Speaker 1: he says that I can't recall at this particular moment,
Speaker 1: or i'd share it with you guys, but you just
Speaker 1: have to read his book. But all jokes aside, he
Speaker 1: breaks down a couple of things that really make sense
Speaker 1: that don't fit some of the other suspects like paranthropists
Speaker 1: and Australia pitheescenes even that Gigantopithecus checks a lot more
Speaker 1: boxes for Bigfoot. It's less of elite, is a good
Speaker 1: way to put it. It's less of elite than Paranthropus
Speaker 1: or relapitho scenes. It's not just size, it's other things
Speaker 1: that go along with this bipedalism, look, emotion, and some
Speaker 1: of the ways that they move and diet. So short
Speaker 1: answer to that, I would say, probably some sort of
Speaker 1: relict tominoid. I'm not saying that Gigantopithecus somehow survived. I
Speaker 1: think it would be some sort of cross over, some
Speaker 1: kind of hybrid, possibly of something else and Gigantopithecus. But
Speaker 1: I certainly believe it's flesh and blood. I believe it
Speaker 1: is some sort of relict tomanoid. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: the portals and interdimensionality and all the other things that
Speaker 1: go along with that. I'm not saying it's not possible.
Speaker 1: I just choose to stick in the lane of more
Speaker 1: flesh and blood when it comes to these things.
Speaker 2: The thing about this world is there's I think all
Speaker 2: of us are taking really good, educated guesses because, like
Speaker 2: you said, who knows, Like, there's no way to know.
Speaker 2: I hate it when people come on here and they're like,
Speaker 2: I'm an expert and you've met I'm like, I know
Speaker 2: everything there is to know about Bigfoot, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's no way that you can know. We're just taking
Speaker 2: the best guesses that we can. For me, I think
Speaker 2: they're neffling fallen angels. I don't know what to do
Speaker 2: with it, and that's what keeps me up at night.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back.
Speaker 2: After these messages, it was like, where do you put
Speaker 2: that this has been a cop There's got to be
Speaker 2: a resolution. The case needs to be closed, and this
Speaker 2: is probably one that will never be closed for us
Speaker 2: in this world. It's just not gonna happen. I don't
Speaker 2: think in our lifetime. I could be wrong. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it's really interesting and I just I love to
Speaker 2: hear people's opinions and thoughts on that. I get a
Speaker 2: lot of flags sometimes in the comments your Copykat and
Speaker 2: why are you asking that? I'm like, it's not trademark.
Speaker 2: I really want to know. What are you think? But
Speaker 2: what's the craziest cops story man, that you got that
Speaker 2: you're open to talk about? Know me, there's things I
Speaker 2: won't talk about, but what comes to mind wrapping this
Speaker 2: thing up.
Speaker 1: I've got a ton of cop stories. But I tell
Speaker 1: this quite often on other podcasts. I've talked about it
Speaker 1: a little bit on my show, and it goes into Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and this is usually where I tell the story. But
Speaker 1: it's a true story that happened to me. It goes
Speaker 1: along with mind speak. It's a wu high strangeness part
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot that people say these things spoke to me
Speaker 1: in my mind. Survivor Man said he had a couple
Speaker 1: of experiences with that, and he shared them on the
Speaker 1: show with me, and he shared in other places and
Speaker 1: Todd talks about that often. He went down that road
Speaker 1: of telepathically communicating with Bigfoot. I'm just not picking up
Speaker 1: what they're putting down as far as that's concerned. And
Speaker 1: I tell you this is I believe it's more of
Speaker 1: explainable with your sixth sense. I think it's something that
Speaker 1: we all have that is in eight to us as
Speaker 1: human beings. I think it's part of our wiring. I
Speaker 1: relate this story that happened to me typical. I did
Speaker 1: a lot of DUI did DUI for two and a
Speaker 1: half three years, so I was working on Morning Watch
Speaker 1: ten pm to six am. I did a ton of
Speaker 1: traffic stops. I was usually locking up three DUIs a
Speaker 1: night on average, and Buckhead it was a ton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three hundred plus DUI rest a year, exch a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight to one. The Mother's Against Drunk
Speaker 1: Driver's Award for the most DUI arrest in the state
Speaker 1: of Georgia.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But I said all that to say I was pulling
Speaker 1: over this car. I was driving down I think it
Speaker 1: was Piedmont Road in downtown Buckheat. If you guys have
Speaker 1: been down to Buckhead, you know exactly where I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Where all the clubs are on Piedmont road. I went
Speaker 1: to pull over this car. I could tell there's five
Speaker 1: guys in the car. There's late, it's probably two in
Speaker 1: the morning, not a lot of traffic out. So I
Speaker 1: hit the blue lights and the guy keeps going. He's
Speaker 1: not running, he's just going right. Makes a left turn,
Speaker 1: then a right turn, then a left turn, and he
Speaker 1: pulls me behind these buildings. He's trying to get me
Speaker 1: in the dark. We're off the beaten path. We're in
Speaker 1: this dark area behind this building. Again. I could tell
Speaker 1: the spotlight on him. I had to take down lights on.
Speaker 1: I could see five heads in this car. I knew
Speaker 1: it was packed, right, So I'm thinking, okay, but I'm
Speaker 1: a go get her man. I'm just gonna handle my business, right.
Speaker 1: I do it hundreds of times a week. I'm good.
Speaker 1: But I tell you, I got to this point where
Speaker 1: we finally stopped, and we're behind this building and it's
Speaker 1: just us. I can't even see the street lights. It's
Speaker 1: just we're in this dark area. I got out of
Speaker 1: the car, I opened the door, pulled out on radio
Speaker 1: and something said, do not walk up to the driver's
Speaker 1: side of that car. The hair on my arms is
Speaker 1: standing up now, just telling the story. I felt like
Speaker 1: I'm back there. But the hair on the back of
Speaker 1: my neck stood up, the hair on my arm stood up,
Speaker 1: and something said, don't walk up to the driver's side
Speaker 1: of that car. So I didn't. I backed up. I
Speaker 1: had my spotlight on. How you position your lights, I
Speaker 1: had my take down lights. He couldn't see shit. So
Speaker 1: I backed behind my cruiser, watching the car. I unholsted
Speaker 1: my weapon. I had my weapon down on the right
Speaker 1: side of my body. I walked to the passenger side
Speaker 1: of the car, and I see every head in the
Speaker 1: car looking to the driver side of the car. I
Speaker 1: look down into the driver's side and the guy has
Speaker 1: a forty five pistol in his hand. I already had
Speaker 1: my weapon out. I turned my flashlight on. I told
Speaker 1: him all. I stuck my pistol to the temple of
Speaker 1: the passenger. I said, if you so much as breathe,
Speaker 1: I'm going to blow your brains out. Everybody's in the
Speaker 1: car like, oh shit, So I go through the thing.
Speaker 1: I got them all out of the car. I had
Speaker 1: flexi cuffs. I had him sitting lined up on the
Speaker 1: outside of the car. And finally, I think it was
Speaker 1: probably thirty minutes into the stop. My sergeant rolls by
Speaker 1: and he's, what the hell are you doing, dude? Like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you call somebody? Why you got five guys?
Speaker 1: I said, this guy had a pistol. I'm going through
Speaker 1: the thing. And I had a conversation with the kid
Speaker 1: that it was like nineteen, and I said, what were
Speaker 1: you doing? Dude? He said, we've been smoking weed and
Speaker 1: I knew you smelled it. And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: go to jail. I was going to shoot you. And
Speaker 1: I was like, are you a joking man? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? And he was like, no, I'm serious. You
Speaker 1: know I didn't want to go to jail. I said
Speaker 1: all that to say, that's usually the story that I
Speaker 1: tell to say. Bigfoot wasn't speaking to me by a
Speaker 1: telepathic communication. I don't think anybody in the car was.
Speaker 1: I don't think God was. I knew that shit wasn't
Speaker 1: right and I shouldn't go up and approach that car
Speaker 1: the way I had done a thousand times. Because if
Speaker 1: I'd approached that car like i'd done a thousand times,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be here right now. I think he
Speaker 1: would have probably gotten the drop on me, because I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been expecting it. I think there's ways to
Speaker 1: process things and look at things. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that people haven't had mine speak with bigfoot. I just
Speaker 1: think it's more like that situation. I think our bodies
Speaker 1: and I think we are smart enough, we have things
Speaker 1: that we don't even understand about ourselves that tell us
Speaker 1: things that we need to know to keep us safe.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what it is more often than not,
Speaker 1: and you need to listen to it. It's that gut feeling.
Speaker 1: We talk about the gut feeling, right, if you have
Speaker 1: a gut feeling, I've always went with my gut and
Speaker 1: it saved me every single time.
Speaker 2: Did that voice you listened to, man, I'm sure you
Speaker 2: talked to any copp They've got stories and stories where
Speaker 2: they have listened to that voice. And yeah, reminded me
Speaker 2: really similar to that. You're very fortunate to be alive.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: But I pulled this car in one not the same thing.
Speaker 2: I worked in really small town. Three hundred dbis in
Speaker 2: a year that's unheard of. There probably wasn't three hundred
Speaker 2: people driving through our town. But anyways, I pulled this
Speaker 2: car over in back. Uplist, you're thirty minutes away, if
Speaker 2: you're lucky, twenty minutes probably really Rule county. And there
Speaker 2: was this truck and I was like dog on a bone.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let go of something. I'm following all the
Speaker 2: way out, tracing it to the end. You know we're
Speaker 2: gonna do this and all this kinds of stuff. Man,
Speaker 2: not two o'clock, three o'clock in morning, they come through town.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what my PC was. I remember
Speaker 2: what I pulled him over for. I lit him up,
Speaker 2: open up the car door, do the thing, watch some
Speaker 2: spotlight the whole thing. As soon as my foot hit
Speaker 2: the ground, same boards. Let them go. And the closer
Speaker 2: I got to the truck, the more that was in
Speaker 2: my mind. Let them go, let them go, all.
Speaker 1: Sort of short. I let him go.
Speaker 2: I knew that I would not make it home that
Speaker 2: night if I had not let him go. And that
Speaker 2: was not typical for me.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: I was the guy who like, hey, listen, I'm not
Speaker 2: letting you go. I was that guy. But pretty crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I think it's God. I think God told me that. Man,
Speaker 2: that's my take on it. But it's there. You just
Speaker 2: kind of listen.
Speaker 1: It amazes me.
Speaker 2: The amount of people who don't listen to that noise.
Speaker 2: You listen to that gut voice, and you're gonna be
Speaker 2: all right ninety nine point nine percent of the time.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you hear. Thanks for your service, and thanks
Speaker 2: for taking the time. I know you're busy, so thanks
Speaker 2: for taking the time to a couple of my podcasts
Speaker 2: and share those stories with me. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah you too, Man, thank you for your service. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it anytime. I'd love to come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was great, man, that was awesome.
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