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Speaker 3: And then finally the man in the hour of the Hour,
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Speaker 1: I'll take philosophers.
Speaker 6: Okay, I don't want to I don't want to claim,
Speaker 6: but I am very appreciative of the involvement with the
Speaker 6: cult rejects, and I just really appreciate you guys including
Speaker 6: me and tolerating me.
Speaker 1: And I I really appreciate you guys, Jim, Lisa, Nick,
Speaker 1: I thank you for being my friend. And hopefully I
Speaker 1: don't have an emotional breakdown on how much I love
Speaker 1: you guys. And on how much I love marijuana. But
Speaker 1: I'll try to remain study. So I wrote, I've written
Speaker 1: several books. I wrote some fiction that I call that
Speaker 1: I call pop fiction, and I'm trying to be silly
Speaker 1: with the pulp fiction genre, my own genre of pop fiction.
Speaker 1: And I also wrote Marijuana and the Prohibition of the
Speaker 1: Divine Feminine, which is nonfiction and it sounds like a
Speaker 1: whole lot of wu. But I based this all on factual, historical, evidential, cultural,
Speaker 1: even one could say magical ideas that have been put forth.
Speaker 1: I wrote this a number of years ago with my
Speaker 1: friend from Mendocino, California. I have roots in Mendocino. It's
Speaker 1: like one of the old hippie dope capitals of California.
Speaker 1: Angle that. Yeah, I've you know, I grew up with
Speaker 1: a lot of marijuana, lets to say. And so I
Speaker 1: want to thank Mendocino and thank James for his contribution
Speaker 1: to this book. And as I was formulating the idea
Speaker 1: for this presentation, I wanted to get some icing on
Speaker 1: the cake to make my idea and presentation as good
Speaker 1: as the Occult Rejects input and the Occult Rejects guests
Speaker 1: presentations and I found some new ideas. And I just
Speaker 1: want to say, for all the people who've been listening
Speaker 1: and providing all these great spiritual lessons, I just appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And uh, I enjoy all the lessons that I've been getting.
Speaker 1: And to that point, writing is spelling is magic, right,
Speaker 1: And there's there's maybe maybe two different dynamics one could
Speaker 1: go about writing or spelling out uh this positive and
Speaker 1: negative kind of magic, and one might be considered a
Speaker 1: put on, and one might be considered as as I
Speaker 1: want to present today, a positive less on, right, provide
Speaker 1: less on. And I love that word because it's kind
Speaker 1: of a little lesson into itself towards enlightenment, so.
Speaker 2: That I always find that combination very interesting.
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, that is that is interesting. And so
Speaker 1: some magic puts on more stuff we have to carry around,
Speaker 1: and other magic, in regards to spelling is a lesson.
Speaker 1: So one of the original intentions of this book was
Speaker 1: not necessarily to explore certain things that I did explore.
Speaker 1: The original intent was to break really what is a
Speaker 1: cultural spell, and that being the idea of what is
Speaker 1: the oldest profession And everyone kind of knows this. Over
Speaker 1: the centuries, there has been different kind of cultural conceptual
Speaker 1: conceptual ideas as to what was the oldest profession. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it was tailor. I find that compelling. Sometimes it was hunter, farmer, this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. But only in the last little
Speaker 1: bit was it what it is today? And I, of
Speaker 1: course it's really in regard to insulting one gender. And
Speaker 1: the oldest profession is certainly not prostitution. If we look
Speaker 1: at it from one example, if before there was money,
Speaker 1: when we were dealing with shells, and people might say,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty astute that a hunter is the oldest profession.
Speaker 1: But no human being ever goes on an adventurous but
Speaker 1: even hunting without knowing that it has a healer at home,
Speaker 1: so learning to hunt or going on a hunt. The
Speaker 1: difference between a big bear and a human is the
Speaker 1: bear knows that if it gets a little slice, it
Speaker 1: could die of infection, and it has no one to
Speaker 1: help it. It can't even help itself. A human knows.
Speaker 1: Even dogs. Actually they say they might have this level
Speaker 1: of confidence when facing other beings on hunts because they
Speaker 1: know they have healer, a healer or nurse, and so will.
Speaker 2: Take me someway if I get hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, The dog knows too, even that it'll be
Speaker 1: taken care of. That level of confidence, that understanding, maybe
Speaker 1: that propelled humanity took places, you know, that are different
Speaker 1: from any different animals originally even so, and and we
Speaker 1: all grew up in the nurse in a nursery getting nursed,
Speaker 1: you know, the nurse that dual meaning of caretaker, healer,
Speaker 1: and and the our mother at the bosom, right, uh
Speaker 1: And and then the secondary argument is after there is money,
Speaker 1: well where do these other people get money?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And aspect of history is not that the blacksmiths and
Speaker 1: the milk cow owners, they weren't after the prostitutes. It
Speaker 1: was actually soldiering that enabled that type of thing to happen.
Speaker 1: And you could say even that soldiering that is the
Speaker 1: original prostitution. It's the oldest. I don't know if prostitution
Speaker 1: is the oldest profession. I would never say something so base.
Speaker 1: In fact, I argue that nursing is the oldest profession,
Speaker 1: but soldiering is the old this prostitute. So with that
Speaker 1: in mind, let's let's break some spells, because that is
Speaker 1: a cultural spell that we've all been put on by.
Speaker 2: You know, I just want to say real quick.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's because I have thought about that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that really kind of downplays.
Speaker 2: Oh well, it's just the oldest profession. I mean, you
Speaker 2: know who cares. Oh that's a big deal.
Speaker 3: You know's've been doing it since the beginning of time.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna stop, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 3: it almost downplays or even accepts the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's no thinking, Nick, It's it's degrading.
Speaker 1: It prevents degrading aspiration maybe, and it presents the grading
Speaker 1: expectation right and and women, the feminine has long suffered
Speaker 1: this as as we're going to explore. And this idea,
Speaker 1: this notion was never mentioned in any ancient Greek or
Speaker 1: ancient Roman society. This is a new idea. This, this
Speaker 1: cultural spell about this being the oldest profession is a
Speaker 1: new idea, and it was created.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go with the Let's start all these images
Speaker 1: that I had. First. I want to just say that
Speaker 1: I present a little timeline in my book Marijuana and
Speaker 1: the Prohibition of the Divine Feminine. But I begin with this. Essentially, marijuana, cannabis, hemp,
Speaker 1: all the same have provided humanity with clothing, with food,
Speaker 1: with even material for shelter and nutrition, and even a
Speaker 1: medicine and even a sacramental object. There's really nothing in
Speaker 1: the world that is this, this level of provider of
Speaker 1: resources that HEMP can be illustrated and even has the
Speaker 1: sacrament and even has this narcotic or essence if you will,
Speaker 1: that makes us feel good. So, I mean, there's nothing
Speaker 1: like the divine feminine in its resource presentation and the
Speaker 1: care in all the things that it provides, just in
Speaker 1: that simple respect, and it is arguably the tree. One
Speaker 1: could say, what's the sacred tree, Well, it might be
Speaker 1: a willow, it might be an oak, and it might
Speaker 1: be cannabis. So in recent decades we've gotten better at
Speaker 1: analyzing chemicals and we found out I believe in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty something or so, is the only one we were
Speaker 1: able to isolate cannabinoids and THHC, and it is it
Speaker 1: was found soon after that whether or not the mother
Speaker 1: was around cannabis, there is cannabinoids in human breast milk.
Speaker 1: And this is in of course very small amounts and
Speaker 1: are non intoxicating, but it's theorized and I think it
Speaker 1: makes sense that this is meant to soothe any anxiety
Speaker 1: and enhance the appetite. Lisa, you probably know more about
Speaker 1: this than I do, right, just just.
Speaker 4: A little bit from the stuff that I've read, So
Speaker 4: from what I've read, and please jump in because I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure you know a lot about the science with
Speaker 4: it too. Is that there is I guess the psychoactive component,
Speaker 4: which you know is more embodied by the THHC, and
Speaker 4: then you have the soothing analgesic type of calmbing effect
Speaker 4: with what we now know as CBD, and the plant
Speaker 4: itself has over one hundred and fifty different components and
Speaker 4: they all work in synergy together, and usually I think
Speaker 4: with the different strains, different strains do different things. And
Speaker 4: so the higher the THHC, the higher the psychoactive, the
Speaker 4: lower the soothing, calmbing, anti anxiety. But the higher the CBD,
Speaker 4: the higher the anxiety. I mean, the lower the anxiety,
Speaker 4: but the less the psychoactive. So when you talk about
Speaker 4: the cannabinoids, cannabinoids is naturally produced by the body itself,
Speaker 4: and yes, the mother does produce that as a calming
Speaker 4: effect for the baby and then to increase milk uptake
Speaker 4: by the by the new needs. So yes, this is
Speaker 4: very very true. And we have cannabinoid receptors all of
Speaker 4: our body, from our brains, different parts of our brains,
Speaker 4: to our immune sales, so it's everywhere.
Speaker 5: I'll just add this one thing really quick. I love
Speaker 5: that you brought up, Lisa, the galactogogic effect of hemp,
Speaker 5: because most people totally forget that like that it does
Speaker 5: have this fem even though astrologically, and I don't know
Speaker 5: if you got into this ethan and obviously I won't
Speaker 5: talk about it at all until you do. But for me,
Speaker 5: even the astrology is very masculine, but there's a quality
Speaker 5: of hemp as a whole plant, like maybe just taking
Speaker 5: out as a whole, that is very feminine. So it
Speaker 5: is interesting because when we do talk about the astrology
Speaker 5: of it, there is a quality that's very dualistic. So
Speaker 5: that would kind of make sense that there is like
Speaker 5: the material form is then feminine, but maybe the spiritual
Speaker 5: essence is more masculine slash tra iconic.
Speaker 4: And then also it has a high levels of phido estrogen.
Speaker 4: It's several plants in the I forget what the family
Speaker 4: is of cannabis, but I believe a lot of those
Speaker 4: contain phido estrogens, which is in estrogen based plant based estrogen,
Speaker 4: and so again the reaffirming feminine equality to it. I think.
Speaker 1: I love it. And this is why I love the
Speaker 1: occult Rejects is because it's like, oh I it's a
Speaker 1: cult intelligence. I love all the great addition and contrasts
Speaker 1: and lessons that the occult rejects provide. And I mean,
Speaker 1: if if, if we're a different world, we might have
Speaker 1: a certain daily requirement of cannabinoids. That's how integrative this
Speaker 1: stuff is with our biology, or rather necessary by our biology. Right,
Speaker 1: so let's let's take a look at the next image.
Speaker 1: This is I'm sorry that it's small.
Speaker 2: My bad.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that won't happen again. But I can. I can
Speaker 1: read it. I was going to read it anyway. This
Speaker 1: is from where we get the idea that the oldest
Speaker 1: profession is prostitution. And this guy was, of course a freemason.
Speaker 1: He was made a freemason or joined the Freemasons when
Speaker 1: he was twenty and he lived, you know, a lengthy life.
Speaker 1: Rudyard Kipling. He is the creator of what is still
Speaker 1: very influential material, the Jungle Book, and as an author
Speaker 1: he is you got to look at him as being prolific.
Speaker 1: But some of the things that he put forth are
Speaker 1: so barbarous that it doesn't matter how much you put out,
Speaker 1: because it's what you put out. And this is where
Speaker 1: we get this from a short story that he wrote
Speaker 1: on called on the City Wall, about to prostitute who
Speaker 1: check out her name. Her name is Lalon, which of
Speaker 1: course has the feminine the and loon for the moon.
Speaker 1: So I'll read the quote. The short story is dry
Speaker 1: and horrendous, you probably can't get through it, but this
Speaker 1: quote talk about spellcasting. Lalun is a member of the
Speaker 1: most ancient profession in the world. There it is Lilith who.
Speaker 1: Lilith is an aspect of the divine feminine, kind of
Speaker 1: a polarity of an Anna or Ishtara. Lilith was her
Speaker 1: very great grandmama, and that was before the days of eve.
Speaker 1: There's another there's two feminine archetypes, as everyone knows. In
Speaker 1: the West, people say rude things about Laaloon's profession and
Speaker 1: write lectures about it and distribute the lectures to young
Speaker 1: persons in order that morality may be preserved. In the East,
Speaker 1: where the profession is hereditary, descending from mother to daughter,
Speaker 1: which is just an insult, but probably was a predicament
Speaker 1: to nobody writes lectures or takes any notice. And that
Speaker 1: is distinct proof of the inability of the East to
Speaker 1: manage its own affairs. Rudyard Kipling talk about spellcasting. Lawaloon
Speaker 1: is just automatic, this feminine tonation, and then there's Lilith
Speaker 1: and the great Grandmama and Eve and this whole idea
Speaker 1: of the profession, and so it's it's I feel like
Speaker 1: this is a total cultural spellcasting. And again, Rugyard Kipling
Speaker 1: was a prolific writer. Another poem. Another thing he wrote
Speaker 1: is the next image is called a poem, is a poem,
Speaker 1: and the main theme from that is wait a second,
Speaker 1: the white man's burden And how much has that phrase
Speaker 1: influenced the propensity for people to take action as order
Speaker 1: followers of the state in war. This was penned as
Speaker 1: a inspiration for people to join armed forces and go
Speaker 1: to the Philippines during the imperialistic time period of the
Speaker 1: United States when we took over the Philippines. Spanish American
Speaker 1: war type of thing. So this white Man's burden was
Speaker 1: an idea to that basically says, oh, well, we gotta
Speaker 1: we got to go to war in order to better
Speaker 1: these people that are not white man. So Rudyard Kickling, Wow,
Speaker 1: he put forth a couple of notions that have had
Speaker 1: over a century of cultural put on and and that
Speaker 1: contrast of prostitution and the war order follower, I think
Speaker 1: it's is just worth noting. And he knew exactly what
Speaker 1: he was doing, not because he was a freemason. I
Speaker 1: don't say because of that, Nick, Let's check out the
Speaker 1: next one. One of one of the things he one
Speaker 1: of the things he wrote is is obvious obvious he
Speaker 1: knew what he was doing. So there's just there's just
Speaker 1: a little quote. And so there's that this is this
Speaker 1: is a cultural put on. Uh, And I mean there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of I think sometimes I might call
Speaker 1: it new age bs, but I think it's anyway, it's
Speaker 1: cultural bs that we end up or maybe we hear
Speaker 1: people repeating and it ends up being influential. You know,
Speaker 1: when I when I first wrote this, one thing I conceptualized,
Speaker 1: initially beyond the nursing idea, was if cannabis and marijuana
Speaker 1: were legal. And you know, it's it's funny if you
Speaker 1: say marijuana, people actually take offense to that that are
Speaker 1: in the cannabis industry, because this is a word actually
Speaker 1: used to demonize the herb and in in the Mexican Spanish,
Speaker 1: uh presentation of that word, and it demonized it by
Speaker 1: demonizing people. Wait, they weren't white. There's that white man's
Speaker 1: burden again, and and so uh, it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: strange thing that that word has some criticism in the
Speaker 1: cannabis realm, but for reasons that.
Speaker 2: Are in the they did use the fact.
Speaker 3: Well, they would say that if a black man used cocaine,
Speaker 3: goes psychotic.
Speaker 2: So that was original reason.
Speaker 3: It was one of the many reasons whether we're trying
Speaker 3: to legalize that as well.
Speaker 2: Yep, that was that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and anyone that had melanin was likely to go
Speaker 1: crazy off of this herb was essentially essentially what they
Speaker 1: were putting forth and essentially the hysteria that got people
Speaker 1: to ban this herb that's been so integrated in humanity
Speaker 1: that we literally have the endo cannabinoid system, our nervous
Speaker 1: system needs it. One might say, So it's funny that
Speaker 1: words might anger people. I liked the word marijuana because
Speaker 1: it has Mary in it. Mary married Janus. If you
Speaker 1: will but also when I said if marijuana was legal,
Speaker 1: and I started to explore if this were, you know,
Speaker 1: acceptable for the last many years, I got criticized for
Speaker 1: that too, because if you say, if you're not in
Speaker 1: the present, that's some new age bs that people put forth.
Speaker 1: If you're always in the if you're not in the present,
Speaker 1: therefore that's bad. No, if you say, if you might
Speaker 1: invent something, you might do something different, how can you
Speaker 1: proceed a new way if you don't.
Speaker 2: Say if, then.
Speaker 5: What was I like that?
Speaker 3: I mean that that is that does make a good point.
Speaker 3: I mean you'll never think outside the box. I think differently.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another another trope is the idea of your truth. Oh, ethan,
Speaker 1: that's a cute book with marijuana and the divine feminine.
Speaker 1: That's your truth. No, it's not. I'm exploring. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to explore the truth. There is no your truth, right.
Speaker 1: That's a misnomer to kind of ease people's feelings when
Speaker 1: they find out that things aren't the way they want
Speaker 1: them to be. Well, reality doesn't really care about our feelings.
Speaker 1: Another you know, century long, many centuries long set of
Speaker 1: manure is that women are bad love, women can't go
Speaker 1: on the boat women this women that right, so uh,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand what is it, what
Speaker 1: is womanhood and the divine feminine right and and so
Speaker 1: that's another another thing I explore. And Ma is uh
Speaker 1: in Egyptian is short essentially for mat and Ma means
Speaker 1: divine subtle perception and mat is the feminine uh, goddess
Speaker 1: of this energy. If you add to anything in ancient Egyptian,
Speaker 1: it becomes feminine. So Ma is this divine feminine energy
Speaker 1: that is about uh uh goodness and from where creation comes.
Speaker 1: And judgment. She's divine judgment as well. She's one of
Speaker 1: the original or far back Ma Ma gods that we
Speaker 1: can find. Again. Marijuana has the MA tonation too, And
Speaker 1: recently when Mario from Symbolic Studies was doing his most
Speaker 1: excellent presentation on Venus, he got into the Ma tonation
Speaker 1: as being archetypal of the feminine. And I wanted to say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all about the weed, but I didn't want to
Speaker 1: change the subject. But he's on it right, the the
Speaker 1: matrix of creation, the divine feminine of Venus, and many
Speaker 1: so many different iterations of her. We mention we mentioned
Speaker 1: or rather Kipling are the Jungle Book creator put forth
Speaker 1: the idea of Eve and Lilith, of course, and both
Speaker 1: of them are really from out of or corresponding with
Speaker 1: the tree. And so Lilith is almost in one some
Speaker 1: interpretation you might find she's this polarity of Ishtara is
Speaker 1: an Anna, the Mesopotamian divine feminine, and they are a
Speaker 1: tree is represented by a pole often and both of
Speaker 1: them are synonymous with this idea ish Tar. We're not
Speaker 1: sure on but ish Tar or and or Lilith might
Speaker 1: have been presented with the claw talons, but we're definitely
Speaker 1: associated with lions. That's one of the divine feminine animals
Speaker 1: or characteristics that come up, is a lion or lions,
Speaker 1: not Judah, not not the masculine aspect that we might
Speaker 1: associate it with, but actually the feminine originally. And so
Speaker 1: there's the uh, let's see, let's go to let's go
Speaker 1: to the next one.
Speaker 5: And if I just jump, because this is in praise
Speaker 5: of you. You said it. The thing about Lilith and
Speaker 5: and Anna in like the least annoying that's not really praised,
Speaker 5: but the least annoying way I've ever heard it described.
Speaker 5: Because in the polarities, right, But it's true because most
Speaker 5: people totally get it conflated. This is exactly how we
Speaker 5: understand it in Buddhism. She has different the concert, has
Speaker 5: different stages of her consciousness, so there are different polarities,
Speaker 5: different faces that she can wear. So this is I
Speaker 5: just want to praise you Ethan for saying I'd like
Speaker 5: a real praise that. You know, you're the only one
Speaker 5: who's really articulated like that, where I wasn't immediately like,
Speaker 5: oh this is wrong or this isn't coblistically right. No,
Speaker 5: this is actually the coblistically correct way to think of it.
Speaker 5: It's in polarity, it's in a dialectical relationship with other
Speaker 5: maybe elements of her. Because you can say that the
Speaker 5: ishtar figure depending on where you place her in the tree.
Speaker 5: What I'll say green Tara because that's it's a similar
Speaker 5: endymological name, so I always say it. Just said because
Speaker 5: blue green Tara just said blue green. Okay, that totally
Speaker 5: makes sense. And and she's mercy obviously, so you know,
Speaker 5: the infinite expensa mercy. So she goes in perception that's
Speaker 5: her really her thing, it's the third eye. So it's
Speaker 5: her looking at something and understanding what that thing is.
Speaker 5: So she can look at herself at that lower stage
Speaker 5: of conception, that kind of ground the Barbello figure, and
Speaker 5: she can understand that that is who she was, or
Speaker 5: that who can it is who she can be. But
Speaker 5: it's also a choice of consciousness. So I just want
Speaker 5: to say I really love that, and I one hundred
Speaker 5: percent agree to get my gin stamp of approval.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 4: Can I can I add one more thing as well?
Speaker 4: So you were talking about LILIV and when I associate femininity,
Speaker 4: I associate the moon. And you said, Loan, there's an
Speaker 4: old wive scale and I don't know how I haven't
Speaker 4: looked it up, but that the staff of marijuana. At
Speaker 4: least my grandmother she would talk about when they were
Speaker 4: kids that they would see the adults soak marijuana and
Speaker 4: alcohol in these big jars and then once it fermented,
Speaker 4: they would stick rags in it and then take the
Speaker 4: rags out and then wrap them around me or elbows
Speaker 4: or whatever and help with you know, arthritis or anything
Speaker 4: like that. So there was an old wife stylee that
Speaker 4: she used to tell me that marijuana. The SAP was
Speaker 4: influenced by the moon cycle, and I think when the
Speaker 4: moon is growing, like the sap goes upward, and then
Speaker 4: when the moon is I guess waning that the sap
Speaker 4: goes towards the roots or something. Again, I don't know
Speaker 4: how t is, but apparently the moon was influential on
Speaker 4: movement within marijuana itself. So it's interesting you brought that up.
Speaker 5: Wonders. Sorry Ethan, please, I just want to say, Lisa,
Speaker 5: that totally makes sense to me if you're thinking of
Speaker 5: it astrologically like an astroerbalism. If we look at the
Speaker 5: Garuda piranha, hemp is classified as both an herb of
Speaker 5: Rahu and an herb of Katu, so it's very interesting.
Speaker 5: Like the south and north node of the moon where
Speaker 5: the eclipse happens, he is the king of the eclipse,
Speaker 5: so very significant. Obviously enter in a relationship with the
Speaker 5: moon at all times. And I would say because of
Speaker 5: the anesthetic. It is also the first anesthetic in TCM
Speaker 5: hemp seeds and hemp root. So this is what is
Speaker 5: really interesting. Was I was trying to get at about
Speaker 5: the earlier comment on the galactogogic nature the milk production,
Speaker 5: is the roots actually have more that's more feminine. They're cooler.
Speaker 5: Roots are usually the coolest part of the plant. If
Speaker 5: you break it into like culpepper sort of doctrine of
Speaker 5: signatures like the nature of the plant, the roots are
Speaker 5: usually the cooler. But in TCM, the preference for hemp
Speaker 5: is really the seed, which is considered the oiliest and
Speaker 5: the warmest. So maybe you could say, and it's usually
Speaker 5: used for us a laxative or as an anti parasitic
Speaker 5: as well. But the interesting thing is the roots really
Speaker 5: have none of those uses, and you would expect to
Speaker 5: see some of maybe that nature in know, in the
Speaker 5: in the same plant. So it's just it's interesting because
Speaker 5: that would be they're white, they look like sort of
Speaker 5: they look both like nerves and like the lungs. So
Speaker 5: both of those things in some ways could also be
Speaker 5: considered lunar, because like all things lunar are anesthetic in
Speaker 5: a way, like Eucalyptus is a very lunar tree. It's
Speaker 5: it's like a silver it's high, it's full of oil,
Speaker 5: it has that kind of mentholated smell that's very that
Speaker 5: would be considered very lunar. In a Morbhadic maybe or
Speaker 5: a Buddhist way.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, there's no way that I
Speaker 1: could have come up with what I really I think
Speaker 1: basic principle of understandings of very complicated mythology and relationship
Speaker 1: jin without my knowledge of from my my neophyte understanding
Speaker 1: of Buddhism and the Eastern polaries. So and I'm so
Speaker 1: glad that you mentioned Tara. And of course my favorite
Speaker 1: is Green Tara because she is really the the nurse
Speaker 1: of the metaphysical right uh Another this this page, I
Speaker 1: get into many different uses of the word ma for mother,
Speaker 1: and also many different goddesses or uh spiritual characters that
Speaker 1: have the word ma. And of course in Cybele is
Speaker 1: one of the uh Greek iterations of the divine feminine,
Speaker 1: and the Romans version of her is uh Magna mater
Speaker 1: ma Ma the great, the great Mother. There is a
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill the expression a little bit with my
Speaker 1: English crudeness, but in relation to the divine feminine, there
Speaker 1: was a etching what have you found? In Egypt? She
Speaker 1: is the one who gives birth to all but bears none.
Speaker 1: And so this is kind of like the Gaya the
Speaker 1: Maya idea coming out again. All of these being related
Speaker 1: not necessarily limited to the tone ma, but definitely it
Speaker 1: seems to be something that is a frequency. Of course,
Speaker 1: Maha Maya is the mother of Buddha, just like Mary
Speaker 1: is the mother of Jesus, if you will. So there's
Speaker 1: all these wonderful and Mary there's of course Mary Magdalene
Speaker 1: is the other, the other beloved in the Bible. And actually,
Speaker 1: isn't that funny that Mary means beloved in Egyptian, in
Speaker 1: ancient Egyptian. So where do we get this ma re from?
Speaker 1: Maybe it is like so many things from from Egypt.
Speaker 1: So the mother, the ma is, the matron is the
Speaker 1: maiden is the provider, and so forth. And also let's
Speaker 1: let's go to the next one. There is there happens
Speaker 1: to be my one of my favorite gods or goddesses.
Speaker 1: There happens to be a goddess of marijuana. And her
Speaker 1: name is magu Uh and she's a Taoist Chinese god.
Speaker 1: Ma is uh uh marijuana. It's not the feminine, it's marijuana.
Speaker 1: Goo is maiden or auntie aunt if you will. But
Speaker 1: in in Mandarin you have Ma Goo as the feminine
Speaker 1: goddess bestower of immortality. She is also essentially the nurse.
Speaker 1: She is the herbal healer on top of being the
Speaker 1: goddess of marijuana or cannabis, she's the goddess of herbal healing,
Speaker 1: one of them. And there's there's a few little facts
Speaker 1: about her. One of the neat things in Chinese mythos
Speaker 1: the peach is kind of like the apple in the West.
Speaker 1: It is the fruit of immortality or the dare i say,
Speaker 1: as the orange in Florida. So so it's it's the
Speaker 1: fruit of immortality. And uh, she there's one of the
Speaker 1: stories of her is she gets the peach of immortality.
Speaker 1: She had you know, the bad dad essentially, and she's
Speaker 1: like a sweetheart and she gets the fruit of immortality.
Speaker 1: Instead of using it for herself, she gives it to
Speaker 1: this elderly woman and and by that kindness, by that
Speaker 1: act of kindness, gets immortality herself. To your point about
Speaker 1: when people harvest certain aspects of marijuana, talk about this
Speaker 1: little occult or esoteric aspect of magoo. She comes down
Speaker 1: to the mountain. She's talk about a polarity that comes
Speaker 1: up frequently, mountain goddess and sea goddess. And she comes
Speaker 1: down to the mountain on the seventh day of the
Speaker 1: seventh month, and this is the day that she recommends
Speaker 1: one harvest the marijuana cannabis on the seventh day of
Speaker 1: the seventh month. So that's interesting, really really, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought that is interesting. Well, it mostly has five or seven,
Speaker 1: but I think I think seven at the most. I
Speaker 1: think it depends as the shaders get older. High seven. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you're right, Well there's there's the seven again, right, and
Speaker 1: and so yeah, she she of course she's carrying a
Speaker 1: branch of the peach tree with immortality associated with the tree.
Speaker 1: And it is from China more than likely where we
Speaker 1: all get cannabis. India is probably the most famous of
Speaker 1: Asian places that had hashish and bang and what else?
Speaker 1: Do they have shoma or soma? And surely the soma
Speaker 1: from India, which is this drink that we don't really
Speaker 1: know what it is when we speculate it was cannabis
Speaker 1: and a psychedelic and so forth. But Soma is more
Speaker 1: unlikely named after Mau as as as marijuana and cannabis
Speaker 1: came from China more likely. And so whenever whenever you
Speaker 1: hear that they were really trying to get the spice
Speaker 1: like that was a big thing like, well, maybe it
Speaker 1: was the weed. I could see them doing it for weed.
Speaker 1: I don't know, so I try to be funny. Let's
Speaker 1: let's go to the next one. So Mago we got,
Speaker 1: we have the marijuana goddess.
Speaker 3: Smoking, getting the herbs. That's what it was. The spices
Speaker 3: and stuff. They're like, we gotta try to cook it
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 1: Like you always heard, like oh they were they had
Speaker 1: to make the spice trade happen. You don't even know
Speaker 1: all this coming. They had to get pepper. You don't
Speaker 1: even understand. No, they they needed weed. Bro the pepper
Speaker 1: and turmeric was a bonus. So so it all. It's
Speaker 1: hard to argue because back then this was just another commodity. Actually,
Speaker 1: the taboo on it was not as widely popularized, right,
Speaker 1: but you know, things happen. Uh here here is just
Speaker 1: a depiction of what we're hash houses or whatever in India.
Speaker 1: This was Forgive me, I forget the artist. But point
Speaker 1: being that I find interesting is we have the tree
Speaker 1: and then the dualistic houses, which how how we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna get more into the polarity. Gin, We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna go there. Oh wait, go back go back
Speaker 1: and again my apologies that that's a small image. This
Speaker 1: is Ashura or uh Annett or Ashtra. There's that tara
Speaker 1: like like the divine tara in in Buddhism.
Speaker 5: As I know you know that Ethan. I just want
Speaker 5: to say that it's just really important for people to
Speaker 5: hear that those are the names are they're entomologically related.
Speaker 5: So sometimes like when I'm talking about Himalayan things, it's
Speaker 5: it's talking about those Near Eastern things. It's just different
Speaker 5: conceptualizations of those same stories.
Speaker 1: Yes, Love, thank you for adding nut Jen. And it's
Speaker 1: especially in regards to the divine feminine idea, it's been
Speaker 1: kind of mishmashed with all these political and you know,
Speaker 1: other ideas that might be spiritual or might be repressive,
Speaker 1: all these different ideas that make it actually quite hard
Speaker 1: to track some of the relationships. The etymology, the word
Speaker 1: phraseology is one of the things we can we can
Speaker 1: really find the direct relationships. So this is as the
Speaker 1: divine feminine. It's a fragment of a pottery piece, obviously,
Speaker 1: but notice again there is as in between two eyes,
Speaker 1: ibs to two wild goats and Astra and all the
Speaker 1: divine feminines as we've spoke about with Lilith are all
Speaker 1: related to the tree, and the tree of course is
Speaker 1: the pole and and getting to the polarity. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's see what we got next here interesting cannabis
Speaker 1: means cannabis comes from is a Greek iteration of cane bossom,
Speaker 1: which Caine like read and bosom meant fragrance. And here
Speaker 1: we see this this polarity of potentially, you know, not
Speaker 1: so far of a step reading into it, we have
Speaker 1: the mercy and uh severity and the equilibrium in the
Speaker 1: tree of life with the dual ibex again let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's go to the next one. So one of the
Speaker 1: one of the aspects of the divine feminine that we're
Speaker 1: really missing is Asher and again she was associated with
Speaker 1: the tree of life and the ibexes. Here we see
Speaker 1: a tree of life and the ibexes. Asher was one
Speaker 1: of the really more overtly understood eliminated divine feminine archetypes
Speaker 1: and characters that we can see. Really when Monotheism started
Speaker 1: to be permanently institute or more thoroughly instituted, we can
Speaker 1: see Ashera was a direct victim of and was eliminated,
Speaker 1: and it says, so in the Bible, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Here's this is a picture
Speaker 1: of magna matter. And just just to see another example, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think is with I just gotta be something
Speaker 2: with this. And I had even has the tour.
Speaker 3: Guide in the Vatican, and the answer she gave me
Speaker 3: really didn't answer anything. There has to be something with that,
Speaker 3: with this, with this one foot pushed forward all the time,
Speaker 3: you gotta be something with that, or with only one
Speaker 3: foot sometimes you only see one foot sticking out, there's
Speaker 3: gotta be something up with that.
Speaker 2: I just have a feeling.
Speaker 1: Did you want to say something?
Speaker 5: Well, I've actually thought about this a lot because a
Speaker 5: lot of Buddhists statues have the dikinis or the goddesses
Speaker 5: with as you even noted before, Nick, when we've done
Speaker 5: shows together, is they always have like something with the feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what we did the Kabbala, the original
Speaker 2: Cabala or something like that. I think when you were
Speaker 2: showing you images, I was like, what's up with the feet?
Speaker 2: Because I say, I've seen that in other.
Speaker 5: So absolutely, no, don't be sorry. Absolutely, I you know,
Speaker 5: so after you've said that, obviously, I think about it more.
Speaker 5: Obviously I know, like my maybe two layers deep Buddhist explanation,
Speaker 5: but I think there's also a cabalistic layer, and so
Speaker 5: I have a theory that perhaps the prominent foot is
Speaker 5: the one is that placing on the sephra of primary
Speaker 5: importance for that deity, or they're kind of how they
Speaker 5: express into the world, So you could say in this
Speaker 5: position it's nets ok or but there is obviously an
Speaker 5: element of hode which is interesting. And to bring them
Speaker 5: back to cannabis and to the astro like herbalism from
Speaker 5: the Grudaprana is that there's an inter relationship with Rahu
Speaker 5: and Kattu, between mercury and Venus both as well as
Speaker 5: with the moon and the Sun. It's those four planets
Speaker 5: always they have the closest relationship to him. So I
Speaker 5: think that's really interesting if you think of it, like
Speaker 5: the dragon is something of her, maybe swims around her,
Speaker 5: and so her foot position would infer that maybe you
Speaker 5: could I think you can make an argument that that's true.
Speaker 1: I love that there's also in in many different Hindu
Speaker 1: statues forgive me the term, and Buddhist statues, there also
Speaker 1: might be the one folded leg as if in meditation
Speaker 1: and the one grounded leg, and that's supposed to mean
Speaker 1: being in the spiritual but useful in the physical, right,
Speaker 1: like you don't want to only meditate and not help people.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: In Chinese there's this expression call that goes step to
Speaker 1: the left, and it essentially means think get out of
Speaker 1: the box. Get get out of the box, think to
Speaker 1: the left, which is the spiritual and the metaphysical. So
Speaker 1: I think that relates also to in Egypt, they would
Speaker 1: always look to the rising sun, and so in reference
Speaker 1: to the Nile was left right that direction. So their
Speaker 1: their whole thing was to be have that. You'll see
Speaker 1: Egyptian statues also put the left foot forward, sometimes the right,
Speaker 1: not always the left, but often enough they'll have one
Speaker 1: foot forward and it's it's the left. Not that those
Speaker 1: are all interrelated, but just interesting ideas. So uh, and
Speaker 1: in Taichi it's important too that actually this the same idea,
Speaker 1: left foot forward first, and when you do it the
Speaker 1: more traditional direction, left foot goes first. Same with that
Speaker 1: expression of step to the left, think out the box,
Speaker 1: and and that's what that's what I tried to do here,
Speaker 1: step to the left. Let's uh, let's go to the
Speaker 1: next one.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And here here we see a Phrygian super primordial presentation
Speaker 1: of Magna mater uh pre Roman and and look wait
Speaker 1: what does she have there? Oh? Those are two lionesses.
Speaker 1: Again beautiful. So so we have we have the bosom
Speaker 1: and and the lions. And again at this time, bosom
Speaker 1: does not mean what we think about it today, but
Speaker 1: it did have a meaning, and it meant fragrance, like
Speaker 1: can a blossom. So I just wanted to show the
Speaker 1: lions there. Let's go to the next one. And here
Speaker 1: we have the bashing of and a Shira poll and
Speaker 1: a shira tree. Excuse me? And uh, this took place
Speaker 1: during the reformation of Hezekiah thereabouts, and the Bible versus
Speaker 1: many different annunciations about this occurring. They got rid of
Speaker 1: Ba all and they got rid of Asherah all together,
Speaker 1: all any other god right, And so really this is
Speaker 1: where this idea thou shall have no other gods before
Speaker 1: me comes into play, because Yahweh takes over and that
Speaker 1: that expression kind of you know, really says, well, there
Speaker 1: are other gods then, and yes there were l and
Speaker 1: ball are all up in the Bible, ball as Lord.
Speaker 1: And of course Yahweh is too, and and Astra ashtar
Speaker 1: Ashtara and Annett and all these different vocalizations are interrelated
Speaker 1: energies that sometimes are described as consorts of one or
Speaker 1: more than one, and sometimes they're described as relatives and
Speaker 1: maybe three different generations. They are essentially interchangeable masculine and
Speaker 1: feminine ideas. Yahweh took over, right, That's that's all that happened.
Speaker 1: But we see Yahweh is the severity pillar, and it
Speaker 1: says there, it says it right in his whole existence
Speaker 1: is as a storm god and a storm god of creation. Well,
Speaker 1: how does that happen? Well, that's the polarity, all right.
Speaker 1: So polls and pillars and authors at that time period
Speaker 1: all represented gods. And let's go to the next one.
Speaker 1: This is I got a couple of Biblical quotes in here.
Speaker 1: He removed the high places, which is interesting because one
Speaker 1: of the places where we found cannabis in Israel is
Speaker 1: on a mound, and it was at above a village
Speaker 1: that was there prior to the citadel was constructed after
Speaker 1: the village. And the word mound in Hebrew is tell
Speaker 1: like tel Aviv, and it's that's the first translation. Hill
Speaker 1: is the second, of course, So they found actually a
Speaker 1: citadel and a temple where this seemingly did take place.
Speaker 1: These this biblical reformation and rejection of anything mentioning any
Speaker 1: other god or goddess for those who are listening. He
Speaker 1: removed the high places, shattered the sacred pillars, pillar polarity,
Speaker 1: and sorry, and cut down the Asheri poles. He also
Speaker 1: demolished the bronze snake called Nehushtan that Moses had made
Speaker 1: were up to that time, the Israelites had burned incense
Speaker 1: to it. Let's go to the next one. So at
Speaker 1: this uh, okay, let's i'll read this one. Tear down
Speaker 1: their altars, smash their sacred pillars, burn up their Asheri poles,
Speaker 1: cut down the idols of their gods, and wipe out
Speaker 1: their names from every place. So this is this is
Speaker 1: all about a reformation that really changed the pagan polyetheic, polyistic,
Speaker 1: polytheistic group and even maybe dualistic god worshiping groups into
Speaker 1: one wayism. Right, There's only one God and there's only
Speaker 1: one way to perceive that. All right, let's go to
Speaker 1: the next one. This is likely an early depiction of
Speaker 1: Yahweh before it was totally prohibited to not only mention
Speaker 1: the name, but to of course depict the idol. Some
Speaker 1: people refer to this imagery as actually a donkey headed god.
Speaker 1: The Canaanites and Judeans and Israel was basically a bunch
Speaker 1: of mountain folk relative to Egypt, and there is this
Speaker 1: whole political back and forth where it's possible that the
Speaker 1: design of this donkey headed god was based on saying
Speaker 1: to Israel, excuse me, to Egypt, that our god is
Speaker 1: like your set set, the donkey headed god of is
Speaker 1: of Egypt, that is the god of chaos, that does
Speaker 1: such trickster moves with a cyrus. Right, So the donkey
Speaker 1: headed god and goddess you can see next to the
Speaker 1: bigger figure, there's nipples there that might be a tail,
Speaker 1: but we don't have to get into what that is.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so let's go to the next one. So
Speaker 1: we see in this time period there is this whole
Speaker 1: back and forth that you know, is similar to all
Speaker 1: kinds of back and forth that really has made it
Speaker 1: difficult for us to keep track of the relationships and
Speaker 1: all these things. But there are archetypes that we can find. Right,
Speaker 1: this is likely an asherah altar that was not destroyed,
Speaker 1: and I'll read this quote the demolished. They demolished the
Speaker 1: sacred stone of Ball and tore down the temple of Ball,
Speaker 1: and people have used it for a latrine to this day.
Speaker 1: And this is another archaeological find that they have noticed
Speaker 1: at a bunch of different sites where there was a
Speaker 1: temple that wasn't following the new way of the Reformation.
Speaker 1: They literally put a toilet on top of it. So
Speaker 1: they were wild and no talk about bass. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's go to the next one, please, please.
Speaker 4: Really really quickly. So you mentioned donkey, and then you
Speaker 4: had mentioned previously Ibex, and so I've come to know
Speaker 4: Ibex as a mountain goat, and so when you said donkey,
Speaker 4: I was like, well, they actually they prefer to use
Speaker 4: donkeys or mules, like on mountainous or rocky terrain. And
Speaker 4: so I was wondering if there's like some sort of
Speaker 4: correlation with a mountain goat and then using a mule
Speaker 4: or a donkey in that I know they're two different,
Speaker 4: but that they have surefootedness is what they're I guess
Speaker 4: quote unquote why they're used if there was some sort
Speaker 4: of association with that as.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I haven't seen the polarity that is presented
Speaker 1: with the ibex in pairing, or even there's dual pairing sometimes,
Speaker 1: but this idea coming from two sides and eating of
Speaker 1: the tree, I haven't seen that with donkeys. But there
Speaker 1: is a very interesting site, the tell Arad site that
Speaker 1: I mentioned before. It means wild donkey hill and or
Speaker 1: wild ass hill. I just like to say to get
Speaker 1: a laugh, but they they I'm sorry for my creudness.
Speaker 1: They they did have a reverence for them, obviously as
Speaker 1: agricultural beasts of burden. I don't know that there was
Speaker 1: a direct relationship with the donkeys relating to the ibex necessarily,
Speaker 1: but it does. It makes sense. And it's interesting that
Speaker 1: this site that we're going to explore, tell Arad means
Speaker 1: wild donkey hill and uh that donkey was so prevalent
Speaker 1: and and I think in in we're probably to give
Speaker 1: a you know, you know sh it's a basically a
Speaker 1: ship post in the ancient world, right, like to call
Speaker 1: your god the donkey that is the chaos of the Egyptians.
Speaker 5: Okay, sorry that I'm going to jump in really quick
Speaker 5: here so to kind of respond to both of your point,
Speaker 5: like Lisa and Ethan's point is that the donkey is
Speaker 5: considered to be a wrathful vahana wrathful vehicle. So donkey
Speaker 5: is a peace binding or peace unbinding vehicle. So when
Speaker 5: you see a deity riding a donkey, usually it's the
Speaker 5: smoke of destruction, so the destruction of all matter behind them.
Speaker 5: So there's an idea that you it's like Mary riding
Speaker 5: the donkey. It's like that she's binding the covenant, right,
Speaker 5: she's binding the covenant during Oh yes, that's great, beautiful.
Speaker 5: And then the Black Book is interesting because one of
Speaker 5: the first wrathful Indian goddesses, like sub like origin is
Speaker 5: the subcontinent. She is called Corav and she's a Dravidian
Speaker 5: goddess of South Indian goddess, and she writes a black
Speaker 5: book and which is also or Ibex relative, and she's
Speaker 5: a very ferocious goddess, one of the first to ever
Speaker 5: really be depicted like that, like with like skulls and
Speaker 5: like heads and like wearing skins and you know, like
Speaker 5: the very contract looking goddess. But this is pre contract,
Speaker 5: but it carries over because the goddesses who ride donkeys,
Speaker 5: who came later on, they are depicted as that the
Speaker 5: same kind of ferociousness garlands of skulls, you know, like
Speaker 5: skins all that. So I think that there is a
Speaker 5: relationship in the sense of ferociousness and like the left
Speaker 5: handedness you could say of those goddesses I also pulled up.
Speaker 5: I don't need you to pull them up, Nick right
Speaker 5: now what we can do to write then, but there
Speaker 5: is a contract deity who has a donkey's head, and
Speaker 5: then there is also like Durga in sort of normandaive.
Speaker 5: I guess we could say goddess Hindu Us. She rides
Speaker 5: a lion, and sometimes she's depicted as riding like a
Speaker 5: chariot with multiple lions pulled up. And so I just
Speaker 5: if we have time. If we don't, though, that's okay,
Speaker 5: But I just I want to say that there's some
Speaker 5: really interesting connections. I think Ethan's getting at.
Speaker 3: Something I wanted to mention real quick. I don't know
Speaker 3: there's really much to it. I was trying to look
Speaker 3: it up, and I'm assuming with a goat when it
Speaker 3: comes to altitude, it might be able to climb in
Speaker 3: areas that donkeys can't, but they both can withstand, like
Speaker 3: you know, high altitudes. So I'm wondering if that even
Speaker 3: has something to do with it. And I know when
Speaker 3: you get to that, I mean you start going up,
Speaker 3: there's less oxygen as well.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Even looking at something interesting, you know, physical or special
Speaker 3: about animals.
Speaker 4: Wasn't found in the mountains when it was first found
Speaker 4: like archaeologically in my room.
Speaker 1: About that or something, I'm not sure, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would underline though that I forgot to mention the
Speaker 1: Magou goddess of marijuana and hemp from China or the East.
Speaker 1: She is the goddess of the mountain and the sea.
Speaker 1: The same with Ashura, and and many different iterations of
Speaker 1: the divine feminine, which is just another one of those things.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, that's almost abstract, but they both have
Speaker 1: that same abstract anyway. So this site, let's go to
Speaker 1: the next one here and just another another iteration of
Speaker 1: this this template. And there's the bull too, which you know,
Speaker 1: of course that's very much associated with fertility and even
Speaker 1: the divine feminine as well. And you know, another aspect
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, how how the the Jews, the
Speaker 1: Israelis and judea Is put their god to be like
Speaker 1: set there's also many different descriptions in the Bible that
Speaker 1: one could associate with the rejection of not only paganism
Speaker 1: but Egypt specifically Ah the bull being hathor another another
Speaker 1: divine feminine and uh, the golden calf. Right, that's there's
Speaker 1: that whole story in the Bible. And even that old serpent, right, well,
Speaker 1: what's what who has the old serpent in that area? Well,
Speaker 1: certainly Egypt among others. So let's let's go to the
Speaker 1: next one. Here's a Kodesh. This is an Egyptian goddess
Speaker 1: and she has two consorts. But so she's a combination
Speaker 1: of Asherah and Egyptian ideas, and she has she is
Speaker 1: on the lion, So there's that feminine aspect again, and
Speaker 1: she has two consorts. But we see that pattern of
Speaker 1: the center and the two poles again. I believe the
Speaker 1: gentleman on the right is the Canaanite and on the
Speaker 1: left is the Egyptian. So that whole area was such
Speaker 1: a mishmash of people's. Right, we like to think that
Speaker 1: things are clean and coherent until a certain year. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it would not even coherent in place like, it's all
Speaker 1: a mishmash and they were all adopting and utilizing variously
Speaker 1: and and rejecting variously each other's ideas. So let's go
Speaker 1: to the next one. And here's here's some other depictions
Speaker 1: of more divine feminine, and some some other biblical references.
Speaker 1: And and on the right we see uh that face
Speaker 1: again in the belly with the statue of no face,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, very very interesting. And then there's a
Speaker 1: I believe that's Isis and a snake goddess that's sold.
Speaker 1: They don't know the name of her. But again there's
Speaker 1: a pole, and then there's two one thing on each side,
Speaker 1: and of course your bosom showing.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and I'll read these real quick. He removed the
Speaker 1: high places. Wait, I think I said that already. And
Speaker 1: I said that one already. Okay, move on to the
Speaker 1: next one. Excuse meant to circuinized, Okay. And here is
Speaker 1: the the discovery tel Arad or Wild Donkey Mount And
Speaker 1: this really represents essentially what happened in the Bible. And
Speaker 1: we see here that this is a recreation when the
Speaker 1: archaeologists found the site as they were digging it up.
Speaker 1: These pillars were set down gently, maybe, but they were
Speaker 1: they were covered up in dirt and buried probably the
Speaker 1: day after that they were used. And they assume this
Speaker 1: because they found residue of plant matter on each of
Speaker 1: these pillars on the larger and again, pillars represented gods
Speaker 1: unformed rocks. We don't know exactly what they meant. In
Speaker 1: the background, we see the other pair of you know,
Speaker 1: monoliths if you will, but they're not sure exactly what
Speaker 1: they meant, but definitely pillars represented gods. And we see
Speaker 1: what is this Solomon era temple that was actually designed
Speaker 1: in the same format as the Temple of Solomon, and
Speaker 1: maybe not the same dimensions, but the same structured entrance room,
Speaker 1: one little room. And then here we see what was
Speaker 1: the Holy of Holies and it was essentially the perfect
Speaker 1: hot box room. And they had Frankinson's on the taller pillar,
Speaker 1: which represented Yahweh. And they found eventually that it was
Speaker 1: cannabis burning on the secondary pillar. So this whole institutional
Speaker 1: biblical institutionalization of smashing the second pillar was done so
Speaker 1: in correspondence with smashing cannabis. At this time period, they
Speaker 1: would have had to have imported cannabis on a state level,
Speaker 1: or at least some sort of grouping mechanics. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just like your boy got your boy got you covered. No,
Speaker 1: like it had to become in in a serious ship shipment, right.
Speaker 2: Tool.
Speaker 1: So it was it was total, it was total planning.
Speaker 1: And UH. Since then, we've had the banishment and belittling
Speaker 1: of the feminine aspect in all sorts of predicaments, and
Speaker 1: even the further banish statement of the feminine polar uh pillar.
Speaker 1: And we see uh in this in in some interpretations
Speaker 1: of the dual pillars that were outside of Solomon's temple,
Speaker 1: even those ones, there's a there's a female pillar, but
Speaker 1: guess what, he's a guy. They have the guy has
Speaker 1: feminine attributes, but they won't even call him a girl.
Speaker 1: And so same thing with like the trinity in the
Speaker 1: Bible of Father, Son and holy Ghost. Now there's no
Speaker 1: there's no mom, there's no girl, and so eliminated. And
Speaker 1: so the whole reformation from polytheism or dual uh theism
Speaker 1: was uh part in part partly UH the first prohibition
Speaker 1: of marijuana and cannabis as well. So when they instituted monotheism,
Speaker 1: they got rid of marijuana. And and considerization, consider it
Speaker 1: the ability to consider the whole feminine pillar, right, and
Speaker 1: imagine the institution of the Kabbala dual pillar idea as
Speaker 1: just basic understanding of teaching, where now we know we
Speaker 1: just have one one way ism of of the severity.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go to the next one. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping up now.
Speaker 2: I think listen, did you have something you wanted to
Speaker 2: say to.
Speaker 4: No, just that that is so fascinating that I had
Speaker 4: heard about the second pillars always being destroyed. I had
Speaker 4: never heard that marijuana was found on the second pillar,
Speaker 4: especially in this in this area, and it, yeah, just
Speaker 4: mind blown. Sorry, just mind sat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is fascinating. I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: I could share that with you. And it's a total
Speaker 1: it's a lesson because now we realize that all of this,
Speaker 1: there's so many aspects to it. I don't even need
Speaker 1: to get into it. But just losing the dual pillar
Speaker 1: in our ability to conceptualize things is drastic, And of course,
Speaker 1: of course it's not overtly eliminated, but just in the
Speaker 1: institutionalization of the one wayism, and when we learn about
Speaker 1: the asher complement or consort, then we realize how much
Speaker 1: thinking might have been influenced, and Uh, the Ashera parties
Speaker 1: were something I think we would all like to partake
Speaker 1: in because they made cakes. They got together and baked cakes,
Speaker 1: and of course marijuana and cannabis it needs the heat
Speaker 1: to release it. I just speculated, Yeah, they're just having
Speaker 1: They were having cake parties and worshiping Astra. It sounded
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It sounds pretty cool. I have a Bible quote,
Speaker 1: h the children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire,
Speaker 1: and the women. The women need their dough to make
Speaker 1: cakes to the queen of heaven and to pour out
Speaker 1: drink offerings unto other gods that they may provoke me
Speaker 1: to anger. So they got rid of the cake parties.
Speaker 1: And now, I mean that's the idea of the bun
Speaker 1: in the oven. I mean, Jen, you know all the
Speaker 1: alchemy ideas allegory with the cake idea. We kind of
Speaker 1: touched on it recently, and so it's just there's the
Speaker 1: bun in the oven. The divine creator asher was said
Speaker 1: to be the mother of seventy gods of the Canaanite pantheon.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, seventy and seventy two is the very title
Speaker 1: of the first Bible written in Alexandria. Where did they where?
Speaker 1: Why is the title seventy? What is sense? Does that make?
Speaker 1: Surely it was evoking a relationship to the seventy Canaanite
Speaker 1: gods that Asher gave birth to the The story is
Speaker 1: that this Bible's name was named after the seventy Hebrew
Speaker 1: scholars that translated it. Well, I've never heard of a
Speaker 1: book being named after the translator. That makes no sense,
Speaker 1: So I'm sure they were evoking the seventy of the
Speaker 1: Canaanite pantheon. Here's here's one of their latrines that they
Speaker 1: did at so many sites that they didn't find acceptable. Well,
Speaker 1: surely there was all kinds of stuff going on, and
Speaker 1: probably a lot of it was unacceptable, but just to
Speaker 1: point out that that dual pillar concept is really valuable,
Speaker 1: and so okay, that's that's They put a latrine on
Speaker 1: top of the temple at many different spots all through
Speaker 1: the the East. Let's go to go to the next one.
Speaker 1: I think they were more for show and not for use, right,
Speaker 1: but there to illustrate, we made a toilet of your zone.
Speaker 1: And here here's just another picture of the Holy of
Speaker 1: Holies at tell Arad with the dual pillars there, the
Speaker 1: one smaller being the feminine, and Lilith one of the
Speaker 1: She is the oldest biblical character, actually the oldest character
Speaker 1: in the Bible. Way what proceeds yahweh more than likely.
Speaker 1: And in there's the whole mess Mesopotamian story with her,
Speaker 1: and that we touched on with the tree. But in
Speaker 1: the Bible she's mentioned as Adam's first wife, and she
Speaker 1: is rejected as she wants to be equal to Adam
Speaker 1: and she's she's not Adam says no, So Lilith has uh,
Speaker 1: she's like one of the first, you know, rejected and
Speaker 1: you know, accused feminine and and to that. She she's
Speaker 1: also associated with spellcasting, Rudyard clip Woodyard, Rudyard Kipling once again.
Speaker 1: So tell a rod say, let's let's go on here.
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping, I'm wrapping up now, and I apologize.
Speaker 2: A lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's really it's really interesting. Another pillar or
Speaker 1: pole or a shira pole. And when you look into
Speaker 1: a shira, she's her symbolism and her name is associated
Speaker 1: with the pole and the pillar and the tree of life.
Speaker 1: But I think they're kind of missing the point. No,
Speaker 1: she's not associated with all those things. She is a
Speaker 1: pole of the tree of life that is hence missing. Right,
Speaker 1: So she's she's not just any an arbitrary poll. She
Speaker 1: is the feminine poll. All right, go to the next
Speaker 1: one and bosom. There's the bosom again, right, And and
Speaker 1: if if we look into the word bosom in our
Speaker 1: modern day usage of it, it is not the same
Speaker 1: as cannabosom, the original names for cannabis in this area
Speaker 1: that's been used as a sacrament and medicine for so long.
Speaker 1: We have the endo cannabinoid system. Now it was, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sorry with brain fart. Where was I going
Speaker 1: without the bosom? The grove, the the Ashira grove and
Speaker 1: so forth, was you know, all all part of the
Speaker 1: same thing. So sorry brain, brain fart, But let's keep
Speaker 1: going on. You might come back to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was too busy trying to run bosom through
Speaker 2: the matrix.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you the bosom.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, the the etymological origin of bosom that we can
Speaker 1: relate back doesn't go to cannabism, we can't find it,
Speaker 1: but it goes to Germany, where it stands for the
Speaker 1: womb and the breasts. So whether or not cannabussom is
Speaker 1: related to our modern day usage of it is arguable,
Speaker 1: but certainly we see that cannabis can cannabisom are at
Speaker 1: bosom is related to cannabis right, because the divine feminine,
Speaker 1: the tree, and literally cannabis as as used by Ashra
Speaker 1: is all part of the same. So it's very likely
Speaker 1: that bossom does come from that bosom. And what who
Speaker 1: wears the fragrance? Usually it's the beautiful dame, right, the
Speaker 1: beautiful maiden. So it's very possible, but we can't say
Speaker 1: with certainty that these are related. Let's let's go finish
Speaker 1: up here.
Speaker 4: I kind of want to just insert that there is
Speaker 4: a lot of work being done on looking at the
Speaker 4: cannabinoid receptors in memory and uterine tissue. Sure, and I've
Speaker 4: seen it of the fetus.
Speaker 1: Wait could you say that again?
Speaker 4: Because it assists with brain development of the fetus.
Speaker 1: Astonishing. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, so I mean it is. Literally,
Speaker 1: if if for the last two thousand years, Ashera and
Speaker 1: cannabis had not been so taboo, we might have, yeah,
Speaker 1: the daily requirement of cannabinoids along with vitamin C. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you you know, I've written about some taboo topics,
Speaker 1: and nothing irritates the and Darren's more than the suggestion
Speaker 1: that cannabis is representative or symbolic to anything, let alone
Speaker 1: something so woo woo sounding as the divine feminine. But
Speaker 1: I think we can we can come to a conclusion
Speaker 1: based on fact that one way or another, whether it's
Speaker 1: the biology of the wonderful human milk, or if it's
Speaker 1: the history, or if it's the spirituality, or if it's
Speaker 1: the resource, we can see, Yeah, cannabis is the divine feminine.
Speaker 1: So don't don't be leef be the bud, I.
Speaker 7: Was gonna say too, the pursuit of the feminine and
Speaker 7: masculine energies of the plant, right, the really intoxicating vibe, right,
Speaker 7: and women when we love them, how intoxicated do we get?
Speaker 1: Right? Is the bud the bloss and and the more
Speaker 1: masculine use for rope and you know construct material resource
Speaker 1: that the hemp plant is just fine, or rather the
Speaker 1: mail plant is just just fine. So yeah, the cane,
Speaker 1: the bosom cane, where the cannabis is the bosom cane
Speaker 1: very likely, So let's let's go. Let's go to the
Speaker 1: next one. Okay, I've been obsessing on the circumpunked, and
Speaker 1: I wrote that article about the circumpunked, and and here
Speaker 1: we have a free Masonic depiction of the circumpunked that
Speaker 1: look what it has a center being the circumpunked, the
Speaker 1: circle with the the point within the circle, and then
Speaker 1: the two pillars. There it is again the same motif
Speaker 1: that you guys know way better than I, this dual
Speaker 1: pillar and equilibrium tree, right, and and there it is,
Speaker 1: whether it's Ashra and Yahweh, which is a really powerful
Speaker 1: way to comprehend it, or any number of dual pillars
Speaker 1: that unfold in different history and and different concepts, uh,
Speaker 1: throughout all these wonderful spiritual teachings. There there it is.
Speaker 1: And I think it's really limited if we only have
Speaker 1: that one severity poll, right, and if we add Ashura,
Speaker 1: things start to open up and we can find balance.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit, a little bit easier. And again,
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. I appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: letting me, let me share that, and I love I
Speaker 1: love marijuana too.
Speaker 2: So go ahead, he said, as you want. The Lisa
Speaker 2: was going ready.
Speaker 4: To say something, No, I just I think that ethan,
Speaker 4: thank you. That was an amazing presentation. Like Nick said,
Speaker 4: I wrote a whole bunch of notes and I pulled
Speaker 4: diff a whole bunch of tabs looking into a lot
Speaker 4: of different things that it never even dawned on me
Speaker 4: with that stuff. But in one thing that I will say,
Speaker 4: as pervasive as it is with the mother being essential
Speaker 4: to the creation of humanity, it is astonishing that the
Speaker 4: human body has cannabinoid receptors. So that means that we
Speaker 4: had to somehow interact with the concept of a cannabinoid, right,
Speaker 4: whether it was in the plant or naturally produced or
Speaker 4: we all produce it, right, And so it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: where bond's globe that or whatever the earth that we exist,
Speaker 4: that we all possess that link into each other, almost
Speaker 4: like the mitochondria, like it's passed down maternally. We all
Speaker 4: have it. And so it's interesting that that that is
Speaker 4: part of part of our makeup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a biological proof that we've been really
Speaker 1: kind of interweaved with this plant for so long, and
Speaker 1: you know, of course it has the divine, feminine attribute.
Speaker 1: It also is very much like what a lot of
Speaker 1: people might talk about as the philosopher's stone. There's nothing.
Speaker 1: We can't make from it. What what do you what
Speaker 1: can you think of? Well, let's do it. We got
Speaker 1: the weed there. It literally is such a powerful resource
Speaker 1: that it's the philosopher's stone. You want a medicine, you
Speaker 1: want to cancer, cret you want to get ripped. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it. We got the weed. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's there's there. It's such a powerful plant.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One I I call the idea the big if one.
Speaker 1: If about marijuana and cannabis in hemp, if it were legal,
Speaker 1: we would have public service commercials recommending you litter to
Speaker 1: enliven the soil, because if we had hemp and marijuana,
Speaker 1: hemp plastic, which is not only feasible, but it really
Speaker 1: should be, because the plastic we use now is totally
Speaker 1: not integrated with our biology, is totally poison and it
Speaker 1: breaks down into what we might consider a whole new
Speaker 1: era of poison with all the plastic particles that are
Speaker 1: finding or in our biology. So if marijuana and hemp
Speaker 1: were legal, we'd have no problems with plastic as far
Speaker 1: as it's poisoning us. And they would have little things, Hey,
Speaker 1: make your soil better by burying your plastic in your
Speaker 1: front yard, don't forget to So yeah, here we here
Speaker 1: we are where we we create toxic poisons, and and
Speaker 1: we're in that severity lane, right, even when we try
Speaker 1: to do something good, well, we have to go in
Speaker 1: there and destroy it all first. We have to be
Speaker 1: there's got to be a severe aspect to it, even
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we're all against the war on drugs,
Speaker 1: but like, why is there fucking war on drugs?
Speaker 2: Why is there?
Speaker 1: Why don't you just help people that need help?
Speaker 4: You know, we got war just inter real quick. And
Speaker 4: this is an extremely myopic view, but I remember, at
Speaker 4: least from my family talking about the war on drugs
Speaker 4: and how it was an attack on the Hispanic culture.
Speaker 4: I was an attack on the Mexican culture, especially in Texas.
Speaker 4: And I believe that this was used in a way
Speaker 4: of manipulation or control of the migrant worker that was
Speaker 4: coming across to work the fields in Texas, in that
Speaker 4: if you were threatened with we're going to call borbitrophy
Speaker 4: fy marijuana on you, or you know there's a difficient
Speaker 4: on marijuana, then you will get deported or you will
Speaker 4: get what have you. And so I remember all of
Speaker 4: that being talked about when I was a kid about
Speaker 4: how marijuana was so synonymous with the Mexican or the
Speaker 4: Mexican culture or just ethnicity, to be honest, but I
Speaker 4: don't know much more about that. I do know that
Speaker 4: it was demonized a lot in Mexico and that the
Speaker 4: people in Mexico, I think they said that it was
Speaker 4: demon and I may be completely wrong, so I apologize,
Speaker 4: but that it was also demonized as a way of
Speaker 4: associate with the indigenous people as well, and in Mexico,
Speaker 4: I apologize to this offends anybody, but in Mexico there
Speaker 4: is a huge discrimination against the indigenous. Not at I mean,
Speaker 4: it's bad here in the US, but I believe in
Speaker 4: Latin America there is a clear divide between the Indigenous
Speaker 4: and lighter skinned Hispanics. So to demonize them further, I
Speaker 4: could see that happening. Again, I don't know if that's
Speaker 4: completely incorrect, but that's how I remember the stories being
Speaker 4: told to me.
Speaker 1: No, you're you're absolutely on it. And there's the whole
Speaker 1: history of if people want to look into it, they
Speaker 1: call it yellow journalism in respect to engaging national prohibition
Speaker 1: of cannabis and hemp in marijuana in the United States,
Speaker 1: and it all started with this irrational idea that you know,
Speaker 1: foreigners are bad. I mean, we see this all the
Speaker 1: time throughout history, and they the United States media just
Speaker 1: was doing that. The first state it was made illegal
Speaker 1: in was California, possibly because it was a threat to
Speaker 1: a great big paper. Yes, the paper businesses back then
Speaker 1: were huge, so and again one of the promoters of
Speaker 1: this yellow journalism, of course owned the newspapers, so he
Speaker 1: had every reason to discount marijuana and so forth at
Speaker 1: the cost of any anyone that was deemed different at
Speaker 1: that point in time. So no, please, no please.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to say that you make a really
Speaker 5: good point about the paper in California, because California is
Speaker 5: actually if you're thinking like what would be the best
Speaker 5: geographic position to grow cannabis, and obviously the northern California
Speaker 5: is very famous for you know, these kind of off
Speaker 5: grade grow ups, it totally makes sense because that is
Speaker 5: that's what cannabis is. It's really an alpine But then
Speaker 5: you have a coastal as you were saying, there's like
Speaker 5: a paradox you could say, between sea and like the valley.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's it's like it's a mountain and a
Speaker 5: coastal herb, so that's where you would really want to
Speaker 5: grow it. And I just think that's really interesting because
Speaker 5: you're talking about like William Hurst and you know, his
Speaker 5: paper Empire and Yellow Journalism, and it's like it's like
Speaker 5: what we're kind of all living through right now in
Speaker 5: a way, because it's like it's very decoherent, nothing's really
Speaker 5: the truth, and it's hard to know what anything even means.
Speaker 5: And that's also very marijuana like, right, if it can say,
Speaker 5: it's very like the smoke of katoo. It's like the
Speaker 5: kind of like smoke of like not knowing quite the
Speaker 5: contours of reality, but at the same time you're able
Speaker 5: to kind of think around things, so maybe the contours
Speaker 5: are just it's just a guideline. It's not really you know,
Speaker 5: it's not really a set framework. It's something you can
Speaker 5: move around. So that's what the benefit of smoke is,
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: Well said. And to that, it's a very left brain herb, right.
Speaker 1: It really gets us thinking in a maybe you might
Speaker 1: think of it as circular pattern kind of encapsulizing everything.
Speaker 1: I believe the Vedics referred to it as an herb
Speaker 1: that enables concentration where we think it's like, oh, it
Speaker 1: makes you distracted and fuzzy. No, it enables concentration on
Speaker 1: one thing really well, but maybe you get it's hard
Speaker 1: to go from thing to think at leasta.
Speaker 4: Sorry, no, no, no, I interrupted to apologize. But the
Speaker 4: other thing that and I was going to add to this,
Speaker 4: it was also a threat to Big Oil. So I
Speaker 4: remember that Big Oil was a huge They were spending
Speaker 4: lots of money and lobbying against the use of HEMP. Once.
Speaker 4: I think Henry Ford had tried it out on one
Speaker 4: of his modelties and I think he liked it or something,
Speaker 4: and so I believe that there was an active campaign
Speaker 4: against him as well, along with you know, other things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Henry Ford famously made a car from hemp. Right,
Speaker 1: there's your philosopher's stone again. And Rudolph Diesel designed his
Speaker 1: diesel engine to run off of any oil, and most
Speaker 1: particularly hemp because it is the most oily plant. But
Speaker 1: he designed his engine to be able to run off
Speaker 1: of petrol oil too, but not only that. So that's
Speaker 1: how that's how amazing the diesel engine is is that
Speaker 1: it was That's why you hear about them getting fryer oil.
Speaker 1: Throw it in there. If it has the proper rubber,
Speaker 1: that might be a wall by different acids. So the
Speaker 1: diesel engine was really arguably designed for hemp, not petrol. Again,
Speaker 1: the most oily plant there is.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. M uh.
Speaker 1: You know one other, one other thing. I think I
Speaker 1: have one other picture. Maybe that's my.
Speaker 2: Pictures. No, no, you go, that's that's.
Speaker 1: Just the same idea. That that's just the same idea.
Speaker 1: The middle pillar of three with the two poles with
Speaker 1: their capital and their base, so with the two points.
Speaker 1: Uh that the circumpunked is associated with Ketter, right, and
Speaker 1: so it's kind of the highest and most upfront. So
Speaker 1: let's see. I think that's it. I might be one
Speaker 1: one or two. Okay, here's brother Saint John. Again one
Speaker 1: has feminine attributes, but we don't even want we have
Speaker 1: the Baptist and the evangelist. John's here the dual pillar
Speaker 1: and the circumpunked and the Book of Life. Uh, action
Speaker 1: on Earth and so yeah, again here's another pillar of
Speaker 1: modernity talking about the same thing. But wait, no, no,
Speaker 1: no feminine, Nope, they got rid of her. Uh So,
Speaker 1: But the same idea as even the twin ibex at
Speaker 1: the tree right, so and there's there's the feminine and
Speaker 1: the circumpunct. There was one other picture. No, that's it.
Speaker 1: Then that's it. Wonderful, No, thank you.
Speaker 2: One thing I did think of.
Speaker 3: It's not like really so much I think on the
Speaker 3: marijuana thing, but it was something as you were talking,
Speaker 3: I guess like leaving out the feminine in certain ways,
Speaker 3: are not looking at it and you're talking about like
Speaker 3: the pillar even being kind of like leaned over, uh,
Speaker 3: just for like for me, like I do think when
Speaker 3: it comes to magic or occultism, I do think sometimes
Speaker 3: like just the way people look at it, they tend
Speaker 3: to leave out one of the sides. But I, oh, shit,
Speaker 3: which is loose chid. But I do think in some
Speaker 3: ways not to get into it or get too deep
Speaker 3: into it. But I do think there was a lot
Speaker 3: of things when it comes to the feminine aspects that
Speaker 3: is just hidden in magic or I think it's a
Speaker 3: little bit more of a deeper understanding or more occulted.
Speaker 3: And just like some some ways, like even I look
Speaker 3: at it, is that like you know, you always hear
Speaker 3: about the fall of man. Well, you know, ladies, you
Speaker 3: had something to do with that, as well, you have
Speaker 3: two energies that are falling down the tree that's going
Speaker 3: to eventually manifest. Both of them are going to have
Speaker 3: to go back up. And like sometimes I do wonder if,
Speaker 3: like it, just from even looking at other people that
Speaker 3: I've covered recently and looking at the way they look
Speaker 3: at things, could could like Lucifer kind of been the
Speaker 3: fall of man and Lilith was kind of like the
Speaker 3: full of the feminine energy which ended up coming down
Speaker 3: to end up creating human because they weren't happy and
Speaker 3: wanted to create something on their own.
Speaker 2: They wanted to take contro of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so, but like I could just look at
Speaker 3: it as the tree, those two polarities falling down it
Speaker 3: eventually coming into you know, form. But like you know,
Speaker 3: as a magician, I guess what I'm getting at is
Speaker 3: that in order to go back up the tree, we
Speaker 3: have to go with both. And I always think it's
Speaker 3: just sometimes lopsided. Are not really I think fully understood
Speaker 3: with the both sides in my opinion, I don't know,
Speaker 3: so I just you know, you kind of when you
Speaker 3: were talking about like the feminine energy and that one
Speaker 3: pillar and falling down just made me think about all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: That's dub relationship that I never thought about those two
Speaker 1: being masculine and feminine oriented and both both being disrupted,
Speaker 1: and now we have to develop. We have to develop
Speaker 1: up ourselves, we have to go back up. Makes it
Speaker 1: makes a lot of a lot of interesting sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I think if you look at a magician,
Speaker 3: he has to create balance and he has to use
Speaker 3: both sides to do that.
Speaker 2: I kind of like a lot of times, I kind
Speaker 2: of equated to.
Speaker 3: Like taking I guess, like the DNA strand and actually
Speaker 3: untwisting it and coming apart from each other, kind of
Speaker 3: have to like undoing the caduces and actually creating the
Speaker 3: two separate pillars without the end twenty and you're gonna
Speaker 3: need or twist tie. You're gonna need both sides to
Speaker 3: do work together to undo what's been done.
Speaker 2: That's my opinion.
Speaker 4: You said something that nick Lilith was not Lilith was
Speaker 4: equal to Adam, and that she was created from dust
Speaker 4: and clay just like Adam was, whereas Eve was created
Speaker 4: via a rib or you know, modern day and so
Speaker 4: in essence, not just for the sake of argument, is
Speaker 4: that Lilith was equal and she was the opposite side
Speaker 4: of the same coin. And so when you're looking at
Speaker 4: the two being opposite of each other, you want two
Speaker 4: that are equally opposite, not one over the not the
Speaker 4: foot in front of the other, but you want both
Speaker 4: feet at the same time, right, And so the same
Speaker 4: thing Lucifer, and that I've talked to you at length
Speaker 4: about this, at almost the whole thing about you know, Lucifer,
Speaker 4: it's she sounds like a female. She got pissed off
Speaker 4: because God told her that she was going to have
Speaker 4: to love that guy over him and serve him. And
Speaker 4: God was going to love that guy more than her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That that's total female energy quality right there. But and
Speaker 4: so if if this sounds really bad, but if you
Speaker 4: were to look at Lucifer and God, you would almost
Speaker 4: Lucifer is not I guess biological, right, He's more supernatural.
Speaker 4: And so now you have a whole nother hierarchy as well.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, everything you said makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: Sorry, thank you.
Speaker 3: I was hoping it would someone no, But that was like,
Speaker 3: I mean, that was even stuff that I got out
Speaker 3: a lot of Jacob Bohme's stuff just from going through
Speaker 3: his his like interpretation of Genesis and just other things.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 3: I think it was like kind of seeing like when
Speaker 3: Adam Fellow was Lucifer and when he fell, it was
Speaker 3: like a little.
Speaker 2: Something to that extent.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I just thought that was
Speaker 3: really interesting to look at it cabbalistically, to look at
Speaker 3: it though, Go ahead.
Speaker 5: Sir, I totally no, don't don't. Nick thought I thought
Speaker 5: that was really deep, Like I said, deep as fuck.
Speaker 5: I wrote it down, so I think it was. I
Speaker 5: even I drew a little dragon and a lightning strike,
Speaker 5: because even though we tend to as sort of like
Speaker 5: part of the you could say mythopoesis of the show,
Speaker 5: we tend to talk about the lightning strike often, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the other side of the dragon. So it's like, it's
Speaker 5: exactly like what you said, it's the stretching out. I'm
Speaker 5: going to use a really new age term, don't don't
Speaker 5: tie me to this by Cundalini. It's kind of like, oh, yeah, perfect,
Speaker 5: like the dragon, like you're opening it up. It's a
Speaker 5: I wouldn't use that one. I think that's great, just
Speaker 5: going to use it to describe that works.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: And you just said and then the triggered something. Then
Speaker 4: the feminine is tied with the snake, and the male
Speaker 4: is tied with the lion. Abrahamic religions are tied to
Speaker 4: a lion or even eagle, whatever, and you have the
Speaker 4: crushing of the serpent in almost like a crushing of
Speaker 4: the femininity or a belief system in that I was
Speaker 4: told and I think I said this or in another
Speaker 4: episode that the Mexican flag, when you have the eagle
Speaker 4: eating the snake, it is the conquering of the European
Speaker 4: influence over the religion of the indigenous and so you
Speaker 4: almost to have that hierarchy, I mean, this overpowering of
Speaker 4: a belief system suppressing the other. So that that remind
Speaker 4: me of what Jen and what you were saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what you said, Lisa was it was really deep
Speaker 5: as well, because oftimes I've said it's like the eagle
Speaker 5: is the civilizational, the civic, it's like the soular it's
Speaker 5: the state sort of, it's the ritual animal of the state.
Speaker 5: And the snake, especially in Contra, is considered to be
Speaker 5: the holder of the secret teachings. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 5: they come from them. They don't come from them, but
Speaker 5: they live in a subtle world. So they're more comfortable
Speaker 5: with subtle things, like subtle words like sorcery. That's the
Speaker 5: idea and what the eagle teaches, And this is true
Speaker 5: also for like Canadian indigenous people. It's like the eagle
Speaker 5: teaches like medicine. It teaches like ceremonial things like that
Speaker 5: kind of stuff like how to treat each other, rules, justice,
Speaker 5: all that stuff. What the snake teaches is like the
Speaker 5: subtle body things like certain herbs that are maybe too
Speaker 5: toxic for like you know, like the rest of the
Speaker 5: tribe or the normys or they teach those subtle things.
Speaker 5: It's very it's like it's dreaming. That's really what it's.
Speaker 5: It's considered to be. The snakes are sort of in
Speaker 5: that dreamy interstitial world. So yeah, I think what you say.
Speaker 5: It's really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, Jim, we lost your pictures because you fell.
Speaker 2: Do you want to upload them again?
Speaker 5: We can go over Yeah, sure, sorry about that.
Speaker 2: You know, sorry, Probably didn't even think about that. I realize.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they're gone. No, it's because he's disconnected. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about it until that.
Speaker 2: Awesome. I like this one. We'll go with this one
Speaker 2: for instance, off ready, there we go.
Speaker 5: So this is yeah, this is an awesome picture. Actually
Speaker 5: it's an awesome statue. So this is a Himalayan statue
Speaker 5: of Garda Gadarba Muca excuse me, Gadarba Muka, Chalkra Savara.
Speaker 5: So donkey faced Time Wheel King and his consort. So
Speaker 5: usually he does not have a donkey face. This is
Speaker 5: considered to be extremely uncommon form. He usually has a
Speaker 5: what's called the mahavira's face, which is like a ferocious
Speaker 5: kind of like it's a man, but it's like kind
Speaker 5: of a he's got like a demonic smirk and maybe fangs,
Speaker 5: but he's not evil. He's just like ferocious, right, like
Speaker 5: he's killing all the demons. Or he's literally standing on
Speaker 5: the Time King and the sort of lilith figure that
Speaker 5: we were even talking about. He's literally standing on those
Speaker 5: two figures like a baal like a storm god character
Speaker 5: and his wife. He's standing on them. And then so
Speaker 5: you're going to say who's he holding, Well, that's his consort.
Speaker 5: So for Choker's Andvara, usually the consort is a it
Speaker 5: does not have an animal head. Now some people will
Speaker 5: say it's Vasho Varahi, who is a sow goddess, So
Speaker 5: that would make sense, right, you have a donkey face
Speaker 5: and then a sow, but the donkey faced deity in particular,
Speaker 5: then she actually gets a different animal head. So I
Speaker 5: think that that's really interesting, and it's usually a camel.
Speaker 5: But it's again it's text dependent, it's image dependent. I
Speaker 5: can't say like every single time it's one hundred percent this,
Speaker 5: but it is really interesting because I just it shows
Speaker 5: that there's apotheosis, like there's a sort of leveling up
Speaker 5: of the characters. Just even if you just consider it
Speaker 5: a mythological or like ontological layer, like the characters themselves
Speaker 5: can become something greater, not only than they were before,
Speaker 5: but even in their own consciousness. They can like purify
Speaker 5: their sins. They can like rectify the world instead of
Speaker 5: always destroy it. It's kind of like the synthesizing but
Speaker 5: then letting it go at the same time. It's both things.
Speaker 5: It's like that it's the polaris working in synthesis rather
Speaker 5: than in opposition.
Speaker 1: That's what I think beautiful.
Speaker 3: That's what I think going up the trees about synthesis.
Speaker 5: Well, they would be that's definitely like that's death or
Speaker 5: cother I mean, there's no question about it. That is
Speaker 5: considered to be like the highest or one of the
Speaker 5: highest yoga anatary yoga debis of the mom So that's
Speaker 5: definitely what's showing, is showing liberation from the cube. Really
Speaker 5: because we don't really have it, like we don't really
Speaker 5: consider it like a trap. Right, we're not like fully
Speaker 5: gnostic in the sense that we don't reject the worldly
Speaker 5: body or reject material things, but we acknowledge that part
Speaker 5: of it is mohamayah, sure, solutory part of life. Right,
Speaker 5: things come and go. It's ephemeral, but you know it's
Speaker 5: it's a We also embrace that there's like a spiritual world,
Speaker 5: but what is that? That's largely of your own mind.
Speaker 5: So you know, all the things that we show an
Speaker 5: icron is really about us, but it's like how people
Speaker 5: want to understand it. Most people are more comfortable with
Speaker 5: the external mythic layer we'll call it. So that's a
Speaker 5: better way to explain it for most people.
Speaker 2: Like that. Sorry, we'll pull up the next one.
Speaker 5: Thank you, boss. So this is exactly you know, this
Speaker 5: is exactly what Ethan was showing, like with the lions,
Speaker 5: like with the primordial one. Or with the you know,
Speaker 5: the Newer images or the Egyptian images where the two
Speaker 5: guys were standing and then there was the female polarity
Speaker 5: in the center. I mean, that's that's exactly what everybody saw.
Speaker 5: So this is Jrga. So her name actually means fortress.
Speaker 5: So I'm sure Nick will be like, yeah, that's suck,
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, that's all. And even her colors green and
Speaker 5: red like very nutsalk with a purple background, so you know.
Speaker 5: And so her husband is Shiva, so he he's on
Speaker 5: if you're looking at the image, she's on our left
Speaker 5: side or he excuse me, he's on our left side.
Speaker 5: So that's her husband, so her equivalent. And then on
Speaker 5: her right or what is our right side is Vishnu.
Speaker 5: And you can even see Vishnu has a symbol like
Speaker 5: a you like the polarity, because he's not her equal,
Speaker 5: he's the dragon. He only terminates in what you could
Speaker 5: say is hokma. He can't go any further. That's his terminus.
Speaker 5: That's as far as he can bring you. He gives
Speaker 5: you the range of options. She says, Okay, you can reincarnation,
Speaker 5: so samsara liberation to a higher god world. Usually for
Speaker 5: people in lower consciousness. They just want to be, you know,
Speaker 5: a deity up there or Moksha liberation from the cube.
Speaker 5: So she offers all three options. So that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 5: I don't know, that's all I had. I just say
Speaker 5: I was talking about it.
Speaker 1: But that image is so beautiful and so mind blowing
Speaker 1: relative to the equilibrium and the pillars and the lioness,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely beautiful. Thank you Jim.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, thank you Ethan. It was awesome show. Thank
Speaker 5: you Nick, thank you Lisa. Amazing show, really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want to get stuck in that. Sorry.
Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty cool event.
Speaker 4: That was pretty that.
Speaker 2: The hands and stuff, and it's all has me.
Speaker 5: That's interesting thing. It all means something is all relative.
Speaker 4: Was to see if it had a third pair of wings.
Speaker 4: I saw two pairs.
Speaker 5: Oh I see that too, So that's that's really interesting.
Speaker 5: That's maybe a too long a story for this episode,
Speaker 5: but we can definitely just usa. What I did want
Speaker 5: to say is the guy with the you on his forehead, Vishnu,
Speaker 5: he actually rides a garuda. So I was saying that
Speaker 5: he is the dragon. The dragon is broken into two parts,
Speaker 5: a gross body, Rahu and a subtle body, which is
Speaker 5: his tail, which is smoky, so it's like a comet,
Speaker 5: but he rides his vahana is that is actually an
Speaker 5: ego or a space eagle, which is what a garuda is,
Speaker 5: so they're able to travel through space with the thunderclap.
Speaker 5: So that's sort of his thing. He's space and Shiva
Speaker 5: is time, and she's kind of the unity in between
Speaker 5: those two things because in order to unify both space time,
Speaker 5: you need creation, you need formation, you need matter. That's
Speaker 5: why it matters. Not really evil or good. It's just
Speaker 5: it's kind of neither nor, just like she's neither nor.
Speaker 2: It just is.
Speaker 1: Beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Yeah this was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, thank you. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah for sure,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Uh, Lisa or Ethan or Freda, did you have anything
Speaker 3: else that you wanted to do ahead?
Speaker 5: The latrine thing was really interesting because you could consider
Speaker 5: that very tontic since that is one of the Tontic offerings.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it is. It is one of the
Speaker 5: five Rapa offerings. So it is interesting that even as
Speaker 5: a conceptual thing, and obviously in a lot of the
Speaker 5: Discordant and Chaos magic work, they say Oh, okay, read
Speaker 5: this verse in the Bible backwards, and it's not necessarily
Speaker 5: to be satanic, like how most people would understand. It's
Speaker 5: really to break the preconditioning of your mind if you
Speaker 5: hold those things as being sacred, or if you're kind
Speaker 5: of like experimenting to give those things up, but you
Speaker 5: still retain kind of that supernaturalism that kind of I'm
Speaker 5: not saying to do that, I'm just saying that you
Speaker 5: can understand conceptually it's kind of the same thing. You
Speaker 5: could say, it's like a prototondric kind of thing to
Speaker 5: like break the connection with that deity. But it's interesting
Speaker 5: because the storm God is the father of tontras, so
Speaker 5: he's the one who's actually the creator of them. So
Speaker 5: if they're so, I know, people say they're antonomy, and
Speaker 5: they're not that antonomy, and they're they're the inverse of
Speaker 5: the normative. They're not the universal the normative. But if
Speaker 5: you consider them, he's you could say that those practices
Speaker 5: that seem inversionary or against the heterodox, you could say
Speaker 5: they're not really against him. They're more conceptual layers to
Speaker 5: understand him. So maybe that's also what she offers, Like
Speaker 5: when Ethan was talking about it like out her temples,
Speaker 5: it's like those ways of her ang on or her
Speaker 5: like when her worship is prominent, it seems to be
Speaker 5: like she brings all the three methods together. There might
Speaker 5: be just a diverse polytheism, like India is a great example.
Speaker 5: There's a diverse polytheism, but kind of the Shakka Hinduism,
Speaker 5: the Goddess Hinduism kind of brings them all together because
Speaker 5: they have to kind of worship her a little different.
Speaker 5: Is the text are a little different for her, so
Speaker 5: they have to understand her in like almost like a
Speaker 5: different context.
Speaker 3: Oh, that just reminded me of something I did want
Speaker 3: to bring up, like by like the first twenty minutes
Speaker 3: of the show. So it's nothing about context and whatever.
Speaker 3: It made me think of this situation we talked about
Speaker 3: at the beginning, kind of like you know, the whole
Speaker 3: prostitute idea, and we touched on Mary Magdalene hold On.
Speaker 2: Sorry cool.
Speaker 3: It wasn't until fifteen ninety one where Gregory in his
Speaker 3: homily thirty three, which is rather interesting, but she ever
Speaker 3: considered a prostitute wasn't even from the Bible. And if
Speaker 3: you go like kind of and look at where he's
Speaker 3: where he's pulling from. If you were to go and
Speaker 3: look at the Bible, you'd realize that the two women
Speaker 3: aren't the same woman that he's associating, Like, it's not
Speaker 3: even the same two women like Luke I think seven
Speaker 3: something is when they're talking about to some woman with
Speaker 3: the sinful woman annoints Jesus' feet and Luke eight and
Speaker 3: she pops up, it's not even the same woman anymore. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the whole idea of her even being
Speaker 3: a prostitute first off, is never from the Bible.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good, great point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, amazing point.
Speaker 2: Boss.
Speaker 5: I just really quick that. I think that's really interesting
Speaker 5: that you say that, because in the hypothesis of the Arkons,
Speaker 5: it is said that the Arkans said that about the
Speaker 5: daughter about Nuriya. It said that they called they said, oh,
Speaker 5: we essayed your mom or your mother, so we did
Speaker 5: that to Eve, we did that to Lilith, and then
Speaker 5: we did that to you or they threatened her and
Speaker 5: then she goes to the angel and then the angel
Speaker 5: tells her like no, they everything they say is a lie.
Speaker 5: So I always thought that was so interesting that Pope
Speaker 5: Gregory did do that because he accused her of the thing.
Speaker 5: And in Cabal they call this the eyeshot enery the
Speaker 5: virgin who dances provocatively. So but she's a virgin. She's
Speaker 5: always a virgin, like no physical contact, but she's she
Speaker 5: maybe is around sexual things happening, but nothing happens to her.
Speaker 5: So I thought that's also interesting because there's like that
Speaker 5: kind of like Sabatine, you know, they go they go
Speaker 5: very wild, very inverse.
Speaker 2: So and it was thirty three, which is like suspect already.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like maybe he's prefacing the sun. That's kind
Speaker 5: of what I think, because in contra, the idea is
Speaker 5: the resolution is in the resolution of all paradox is
Speaker 5: in the concert. So it's always in the two, right,
Speaker 5: That's how you resolve all the things, like the resolve
Speaker 5: the polarities, bring them into synthesis. So he's just saying
Speaker 5: it's in the sun. But in a more gnostic or
Speaker 5: tontric way, maybe we would say it's in both of them,
Speaker 5: Mary Magdalen and Jesus. I'm not saying that there are
Speaker 5: a couple. I'm just saying I think it's a more
Speaker 5: tontic idea to say that, yeah, they are, or at
Speaker 5: least they're complimentary to each other.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: And to Jin's point, in the Gnostic Text and Nick
Speaker 4: when we're talking, we touched upon this a little bit.
Speaker 4: In that the Gnostic Text, they asked Jesus why he
Speaker 4: confides in Mary Magdalen so much, and that he indicates
Speaker 4: that she understands without having experienced it, and she understood
Speaker 4: the cognition of it what he was trying to say
Speaker 4: in terms of his magical experience whenever he died and
Speaker 4: came back, or some of the magical experiences, the mystical
Speaker 4: experiences that he experienced throughout. And so if you have
Speaker 4: a female that has a higher cognition than the rest
Speaker 4: of the disciples, I could see the jealousy or the
Speaker 4: stifling of what she was saying, because if you read
Speaker 4: her gospel, if you know whatever, and then you compare
Speaker 4: it to the others, it completely is polar like I mean,
Speaker 4: it's bipolar.
Speaker 2: And definitely Church definitely wouldn't have wanted that.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. You did not have a middleman. You
Speaker 4: were you were your person, and you were having your
Speaker 4: own mesical experience and then The other thing is that
Speaker 4: when I think about marijuana and its effects on the
Speaker 4: prefrontal cortex, the amygdala, that is the main region of cognition,
Speaker 4: that is the main region of emotional development, emotional decision making,
Speaker 4: all of the things that allow you to be perceptive.
Speaker 4: And I know there is a thought that you know,
Speaker 4: females are more emotional and they have more of that
Speaker 4: synapses available to them, probably associated with puberty or anything
Speaker 4: like that. But that part is overdeveloped, and more so,
Speaker 4: I mean rightfully so because they are in charge of
Speaker 4: the rearing of children, what have you, so they would
Speaker 4: need that to help you perpetuate the species. But when
Speaker 4: you look at marijuana and how active it is on
Speaker 4: that prefrontal cortex, on that mandela, on that hip chemist area,
Speaker 4: it's almost it just reiterates how much you know the
Speaker 4: femininity of its activity in the brain. I think, I
Speaker 4: mean it also acts. It also works on the based
Speaker 4: stem and the spinal and energiesic I think on the
Speaker 4: center part it has more of a relaxing, calming effect,
Speaker 4: but you do have a lot of the effects on
Speaker 4: the front prefrontal cortex. This is why you have the
Speaker 4: talks about how preprebescent children or puberty children should not
Speaker 4: consuming because that's when you're having that actual development. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's like the initiation of during puberty. It's the initiation
Speaker 4: of all of your emotional development, behavioral development. And so
Speaker 4: when you introduce something that you already have receptors for,
Speaker 4: that is the concern that you might have different wiring.
Speaker 4: Not to say that you know whatever, but you know.
Speaker 4: So that's that's the scientific talk.
Speaker 1: Beautiful.
Speaker 2: That's interesting to think about.
Speaker 3: The significantly when you go to American no no, I'm ahead, no,
Speaker 3: sorry about that.
Speaker 5: When you go look up cannabis seeds on for TCM,
Speaker 5: the first link that pups up is America and Dragon.
Speaker 5: So it's a very famous if your TCM practitioner, a
Speaker 5: very famous website because he actually goes through all the
Speaker 5: classical uses. Anyways, the first one of the first keywords
Speaker 5: that comes up for what it's used for, and Chinese
Speaker 5: uses are slightly different than Western uses, so don't it's
Speaker 5: not one to one, but one of the first keywords
Speaker 5: is lubricant. So if you're more practical or pragmatic, obviously
Speaker 5: you're going to think, okay, lubricant for your GI or
Speaker 5: something for like to go out. But you can also
Speaker 5: think of it because but it's not really a directional herb,
Speaker 5: which is really interesting. It doesn't really have a natural force.
Speaker 5: Some herbs are considered to be very expelling or a menagogic,
Speaker 5: like like they they forced things out, they force things
Speaker 5: to happen in the body, whereas cannabis seeds specifically, the
Speaker 5: oil is actually goes all over it kind of everywhere.
Speaker 5: So I thinking when Lisa was talking like about the brain,
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, that would actually facilitate electrical It
Speaker 5: would stimulate electrical impulses, right, So that is really interesting
Speaker 5: when you think about it, because it would dead in
Speaker 5: some areas and in live in others.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then you have canon cannabinoid perceptors all over.
Speaker 4: And just the fact that you have cannabinoid perceptors on
Speaker 4: your immune cell, the CB two receptors what they call them.
Speaker 4: The fact that you have a specific board cannabinoid receptor
Speaker 4: on your immune cell, to me is just mind blowing
Speaker 4: in and of itself.
Speaker 2: That was interesting. All you said about the oil I try.
Speaker 3: I just sounds silly, but I really do think like
Speaker 3: it's benval at the end. Uh, there's like a copper
Speaker 3: plate with shit on it. If I forgot what's on it,
Speaker 3: it's by the pentagram and a bunch of bullshit and
Speaker 3: it's quite important, but I just don't remember. And they
Speaker 3: put salt and oil on that, and I do swear
Speaker 3: that there's some sort of science on that, on that thing.
Speaker 3: It's not just and you're talking about the electricity and
Speaker 3: the salt and the you know, and oil, and I'm
Speaker 3: thinking it's salt.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like they're in the copper. Fucking
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ copper. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just feel like the coper is the base for
Speaker 5: all chemical reactions. They always pretend it's cold. They always lie,
Speaker 5: they always say, oh it's cool, it's cold. No, it
Speaker 5: has to start with copper. You must have copper. It's
Speaker 5: the foundational base for all of them. Would make sense,
Speaker 5: because like that suck is material reality, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: And again I yeah. Also, I also think it's around
Speaker 3: the area of the optic nerves. So I'm like, I
Speaker 3: do think there's electricity going on around there in my opinion,
Speaker 3: and what's going on what's presented to you in that initiation,
Speaker 3: But uh an, if you's got anything else two hours,
Speaker 3: I flew actually flew by Ethan.
Speaker 1: That was a lot that was fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeh hellya, uh yeah, I guess if we're
Speaker 3: all done, Uh, Lisa, real quick, did you want to
Speaker 3: say anything?
Speaker 2: What's up? Thank you very much for jumping on with
Speaker 2: us as well.
Speaker 4: Sorry, thank you for the invitation. And that was an
Speaker 4: amazing presentation of the book. I definitely do lots of notes.
Speaker 4: Jin and Nick, thank you so much for having such
Speaker 4: a great conversation, and check out the Occult Research inst
Speaker 4: dot org.
Speaker 3: Thank you awesome, Thank you very much. I appreciate it,
Speaker 3: and thank you for joining us. Always appreciate it. And
Speaker 3: Freda Jin the Ninja.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Cardinal and obviously thank you Lisa,
Speaker 5: and thank you so much Ethan, and like, really I
Speaker 5: just came and support. I didn't even mean to speak
Speaker 5: so much. But every time anything that says things, I
Speaker 5: always am like, oh the connection here, and then Nick
Speaker 5: says selling and Lisa says something, and we you know,
Speaker 5: we I'll use a I'll use a quote from our
Speaker 5: recent show we Weave Things Together. So yeah, that has
Speaker 5: and we sent the size and so yeah, thank you
Speaker 5: so much, and it was an amazing show. And yeah,
Speaker 5: brebody check out Ethan's work, and I have contributed like
Speaker 5: a one piece, but it is a relatively like extensive
Speaker 5: but yes, a long time ago, but it's on herbs.
Speaker 5: So I just want to point that outs. Like people
Speaker 5: think I'm talking about like astro erbalism as like being
Speaker 5: so wu. No, astro erbalism is actually the basis for
Speaker 5: all astrology. So that's why when Nick I was secretly
Speaker 5: and I guess nervously laugh when Nick brings up like
Speaker 5: Nazis and plants because I'm really into plants too, But
Speaker 5: it's a little it's it's the same auto it's a
Speaker 5: similar autistic energy.
Speaker 3: I think it's just really magicians and plants put it
Speaker 3: that way because.
Speaker 5: You can understand the whole Cosmond.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just something the herbal tonics and elixirs are
Speaker 1: so powerful they can really change mind and buy proficiently. Still,
Speaker 1: I think, I think we that's another kind of herbalist
Speaker 1: thing that got chastised by the whole rejection of the
Speaker 1: feminine and so forth. That was awesome you guys. I
Speaker 1: knew you guys were gonna teach me more about this idea,
Speaker 1: So thank you very much, and please everyone check out
Speaker 1: my book to give to someone who thinks it might
Speaker 1: be wu and then maybe blow their mind with the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter, marijuana and the prohibition of the
Speaker 1: divine feminine. Thank you guys so much for always adding
Speaker 1: building such great ideas.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you man. You brought the presentation that was awesome.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it flew by. Yeah, everybody's links will
Speaker 3: be at the bottom, and definitely go check out Ethan's
Speaker 3: books and go check out all the posts that he's
Speaker 3: done on the Cult Research Institute dot or They're old.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: That was the end of another Occult Rejects and until
Speaker 3: the next one, everybody be well later