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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side, Dan Ray on Boston Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Sherry Small. Always great to hear

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<v Speaker 2>your voice here on night side, as I often do,

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<v Speaker 2>but we also hear throughout the work week. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>always nice when you're leading us into our show, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course leading us into our show on October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very important date on I think should

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<v Speaker 2>be on everyone's calendar, a day of morning and a

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<v Speaker 2>day of concern. We're going to talk about that in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. We will talk about it at greater length

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<v Speaker 2>later tonight with a gentleman here from the Boston area

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<v Speaker 2>who had five relatives, five direct relatives kidnapped last October seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of those relatives were killed, two children were released,

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<v Speaker 2>and a fifth remains in captivity. And my guest who

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<v Speaker 2>will join us at ten o'clock be going to Israel

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday. And so just his name. He's an Attorney's

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<v Speaker 2>name is Jason Greenberg, and he's an incredible individual and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll want to hear his story. We will talk at

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock about the hearing in front of the Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Judicial Court today on the Massachusetts MBTA Communities Act. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know how I feel about that. But first

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<v Speaker 2>we have four special guests, very special guests starting off

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<v Speaker 2>the program this hour, Major General retired Robert D's. General

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<v Speaker 2>D's get a chance to salute you here on night's side.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for your service.

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<v Speaker 3>You, bed Dan. Great to be with you tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. You are also in charge now

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<v Speaker 2>of a center called the National Center for Healthy Veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to learn more about that. But I would

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<v Speaker 2>be remiss, since you're the former command of the US

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Combined Task Force for Missile Defense, if I just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't ask you a couple of questions about what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the Middle East. First of all, the defense

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<v Speaker 2>the Missile Defense Force forces in Israel performed magnificently the

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<v Speaker 2>other night under that barrage of one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>ballistic missiles sent from Iran. Tell us about that system.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a dome that is over the nation

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel. It cannot be guarantee because there were a

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<v Speaker 2>few of those one hundred and eighty missiles that got through.

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<v Speaker 2>But boy, why would Iran be so crazy to try

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<v Speaker 2>this now a second time? A barrage of missiles and

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<v Speaker 2>they probably had even less success this time than they

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<v Speaker 2>did a few months ago when they tried the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, then I agree with you, it's and many of

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<v Speaker 4>the Iranian missiles the first time failed and this time

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<v Speaker 4>as well, so they've got quality control on their end.

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<v Speaker 4>But what some people don't realize is the Israeli air

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<v Speaker 4>defense is really an integrated air defense system. They've got

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<v Speaker 4>a system they've had for a number of years called

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<v Speaker 4>Arrow It reaches out and touches the longest range missiles

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<v Speaker 4>coming from places like Iran. And then the next thing

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<v Speaker 4>they have is David Sling sort of an intermediate range missiles,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the Iron Dome catches the shorter range missiles

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<v Speaker 4>such as those coming out of Lebanon and Gaza Strip.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the Israelis because of the high cost of

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<v Speaker 4>AMMO on these things, you know, that's my only concern

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<v Speaker 4>about the Israeli air defense is the AMO supply. But

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<v Speaker 4>they are developing because they're leaders in this technology, something

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<v Speaker 4>called Iron Beam, which reaches out and touches these missiles

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<v Speaker 4>with a laser beam. So the Israelis are the best

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<v Speaker 4>in the world at this air defense, so assisted by

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<v Speaker 4>the US in many ways. So there's also US Navy

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<v Speaker 4>ships in the Mediterranean assystem relar air defense, and some

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<v Speaker 4>US Air Force assets as well.

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<v Speaker 2>This beam defense and the iron dome really goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to the genesis of what we were talking about, I

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<v Speaker 2>think in the late eighties and early nineties sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the Star Wars defense. Is that with some of these

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<v Speaker 2>ideas first percolated.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I can't say, but I think you're right. It's

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a microcosm of the whole Star Wars concept.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that, Yeah, they literally put.

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<v Speaker 4>A dome over Israel, you know, with this integrated air defense.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty impressing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to hear about these laser beams. That would

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<v Speaker 2>seem to me to be the next step. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>an expert in this by any by any matter of means,

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<v Speaker 2>but having seen what Israel was able to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the pagers and the cell phones two or three weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago for the Hesbala fighters who had those pages and

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<v Speaker 2>cell phones in their pocket, much too the discomfort, I

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<v Speaker 2>might add, Israel's pretty innovative, both with the defensive capable.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they definitely are.

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<v Speaker 4>You know a lot of people, you know, they still

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<v Speaker 4>are wondering why Israel was caught so flat footed with

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<v Speaker 4>the Gaza attack and the massacre. That said, Israel is

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<v Speaker 4>certainly on the front of its feet now because just

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<v Speaker 4>two days ago went into Lebanon they found elaborate complex

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<v Speaker 4>of hesblat tunnels, weaponry, even battle plans. And then both

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<v Speaker 4>in Lebanon and in Gaza, all of these are not

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<v Speaker 4>what those surrogates have produced. That's all the money that

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<v Speaker 4>we sent from the US through too Iran that has

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<v Speaker 4>gone straight into digging tunnels, buying weapons, all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>all that capability, as we have paid for with US funds.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my last question on this general, and again if

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<v Speaker 2>I ask a question that for whatever reason you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of answered, don't hesitate to me. As if Israel is

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<v Speaker 2>looking to go further here, and there's some suggestion that

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<v Speaker 2>Israel may attempt to wipe out Iran's nuclear program, it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a good idea to me as an American,

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<v Speaker 2>that Iran would not have nuclear weapons. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>Israel will be that bold or do they have the capacity?

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<v Speaker 2>I understood that a lot of the Iranian nuclear weaponry

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<v Speaker 2>and the development were in situations which were impermeable to

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<v Speaker 2>missing missiles inside deep inside mountains. Do they have the

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<v Speaker 2>capacity to do what maybe many of us would hope

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<v Speaker 2>they would do.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's to be determined. I think they have the

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<v Speaker 4>will to do it. Do they have the capability? The

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<v Speaker 4>US developed bunker buster bombs that we have shared with Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the recent recently Kamala Harrison campaign said she

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<v Speaker 4>would deny these MUNC robuster bombs to the nation of

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<v Speaker 4>Israel because she didn't want the nuclear capability attacked. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's obviously a political football right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think.

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<v Speaker 4>Israel is going to respond and probably with some deep

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<v Speaker 4>strikes against not only nuclear but also energy, which will

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<v Speaker 4>cripple them economically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that might be probably the most effective method.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk for a few minutes about the National

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<v Speaker 2>Center for Healthy Veterans. Tell us about it. I'm familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with many, many, many programs, and I'd love to know

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<v Speaker 2>more about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well kind of you to ask Dan. It's at Healthy

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<v Speaker 4>Veterans dot org as the website. But we are somewhat

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<v Speaker 4>unique because we represent i say, a crockpot in the

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<v Speaker 4>Microwave Society. We're a nine month residential program. We house

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<v Speaker 4>veterans in tiny homes and they have dignified work. A

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<v Speaker 4>three hundred and fifty acre farm and ranch operation, and

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<v Speaker 4>so forth they get Trump and recovering life skills programs

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<v Speaker 4>and career prep. The whole purpose is to turn healthy

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<v Speaker 4>veterans to America. We bring in at risk veterans. Our

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<v Speaker 4>veterans have given so much for us, and yet we

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes just don't take them out from under bridges or

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<v Speaker 4>help them as they transition out of prison. Or some

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<v Speaker 4>of our guys could be fortune five hundred CEOs they're

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<v Speaker 4>so talented. So we get to have a whole range

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<v Speaker 4>from all across the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a first village.

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<v Speaker 4>That is full with a waiting list, and we're building

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<v Speaker 4>a second village of twenty five homes to expand our capacity.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're always looking for people that need what we have.

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<v Speaker 4>We need some good Boston or Massachusetts or North New

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<v Speaker 4>England folks. We've had one from New Hampshire. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's all we have from New England. But we need

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<v Speaker 4>people to refer veterans that are at risk and that

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<v Speaker 4>we can help and then sec We always need ammunition

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<v Speaker 4>ourselves to carry on work.

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<v Speaker 2>Where an ammunition in this case is not shewcasing. The

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<v Speaker 2>ammunition here would be support we'll give that website again.

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<v Speaker 2>But where are you physically located? Where's this three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty acre.

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<v Speaker 4>We're located in south central Virginia and we're twelve miles

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<v Speaker 4>from Lynchburg and Liberty University.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm very much involved with a program out in

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota which is a model Veterans Court. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you're familiar with that or not. A friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine who was an assistant US attorney out there, guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Hank Shea, got me involved in that a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of supporting it. There is a model Veterans Court

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<v Speaker 2>in the state of Nebraska, and Minnesota has been the

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<v Speaker 2>second state to develop this model Veterans court. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you probably have someone familiar with what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I am, and we've worked with veterans court in

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<v Speaker 4>the past. In fact, there have been some veterans that

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<v Speaker 4>were on the wrong side of the law that were

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<v Speaker 4>remanded to us instead of prison right and they've done well.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, well, that's exactly what we're talking about. So tell

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<v Speaker 2>us about how people here and not only in New England,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're hearing about thirty eight states of this are

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<v Speaker 2>other night. We're a big powerful fifty thousand ray am

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<v Speaker 2>radio station. How did they get in touch? What's the

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<v Speaker 2>website again for the National Center for Healthy Veterans.

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<v Speaker 4>You bad, Dan, It's Healthy Veterans dot org and there's

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<v Speaker 4>a button at the very top says refer a veteran

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<v Speaker 4>and they can go on there.

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<v Speaker 3>They can refer a veteran or they.

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<v Speaker 4>Can sell refer and that starts a series of phone

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<v Speaker 4>interviews and applications. And we work very hard to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that a person is right for us and we're

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<v Speaker 4>right for them, and things like FBI background checks, medical records,

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<v Speaker 4>et cetera. But we want to know everything we can

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<v Speaker 4>so we can best help them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also involved with a group called Hope for the Warriors.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have a you have a supportive ear here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you'll find a supportive audience. I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you taking the time tonight, Major General, and I

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for doing the work you do, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's really God's work. When I think what you're involved in,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say thank you. On behalf all

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you, Dan, I appreciate that. Great to be

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<v Speaker 4>with you tonight and your listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, we'll keep in touch with you. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have you on some night and go a little longer

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<v Speaker 2>and take some phone calls from them from listeners. This

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<v Speaker 2>is always a sort of a brief eight or nine

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<v Speaker 2>minute interview, but I'm going to give this story a

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<v Speaker 2>little like a good bottle of wine, an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>pray a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll be back to you, kount like you've got

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<v Speaker 4>a great show tonight. In the Boston Citizen, Jason Greenberg,

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's a powerful story in itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an amazing story. It's an amazing story. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>going back there again. His cousin, his first cousin is

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<v Speaker 2>still hopefully alive, but you know, reportedly still being held captive.

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<v Speaker 2>So we stay on a lot of this stuff. General.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it very much. Here again, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your service, and thank you for what you're doing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Healthy Veterans dot Org.

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<v Speaker 4>You bet my friend, thank you, take care, thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>good night.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, and to talk about some free

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>But to welcome Jeff Bellows. He's vice president of Corporate

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<v Speaker 2>Citizenship and Public Affairs. Boy, that's a big business card.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long title at Blue Cross, Blue Shield of Massachusetts. Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to night said, how are you tonight, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing fine. Dan, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very welcome. So there's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>problem with the Orange line. It seemed like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a problem with the Orange line all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll leave that. But they're gonna have a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a shutdown and Blue Cross Blue Shield has

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<v Speaker 2>decided to help out you guys sponsored the Blue Bikes program,

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<v Speaker 5>That is correct. We are the sponsor of the blue

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<v Speaker 2>And I assume that's why Blue Cross Blue Shield it's

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<v Speaker 2>called Blue Bikes. I get that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it changed. It was a hubway many years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>and we took over in twenty eighteen, and as part

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<v Speaker 5>of that, we rebranded the whole system and now it

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<v Speaker 5>is Blue Bikes. And the bikes are a very vibrant blue.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm sure you you recognize them. I'm sure people

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<v Speaker 5>recognize them throughout the city. And also thirteen municipalities across

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<v Speaker 5>the Greater Boston region, so all.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirteen adjacent communities, is assume right.

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<v Speaker 5>That's correct, except for Salem. We have one one sort

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<v Speaker 5>of outlier. Salem, Massachusetts has blue bikes as well, so

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<v Speaker 5>they're not connected to the rest of the of the system,

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<v Speaker 5>but they're still just as valuable and just as used

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm not a big Just for the record, you

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm not a big bike rider. Okay, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you know I've drive my car and I'm very careful

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid any type of bike, although, of course, as

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<v Speaker 2>there are more bike lanes and more blue bikes, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more difficult to navigate by car. But

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<v Speaker 2>so let's talk about what are you offering folks during

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, So Blue Cross is partnered up with the City

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<v Speaker 5>of Boston to offer five free Blue bike unlocks during

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<v Speaker 5>the Orange Line closure, which is from Tuesday, October eighth, tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 5>starting tomorrow through Sunday, October twentieth. And there's a special

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<v Speaker 5>code that riders can.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's almost two weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's I know, it's go ahead ahead. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>long time, I know it is. And we've been doing

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<v Speaker 5>this for over a year now for all of the

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<v Speaker 5>different you know, or for many of the different closures

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<v Speaker 5>with the nbt A. So this one pertains as you

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<v Speaker 5>as you said, with the Orange Line, So from October

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<v Speaker 5>eighth to the twentieth. And there's a code that that

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<v Speaker 5>riders put into the Blue the Blue Bikes app and

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<v Speaker 5>that's in the reward section of the Blue Bikes app

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<v Speaker 5>and they will get five free Blue bike sessions to

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<v Speaker 5>use during that time, and you don't and you don't

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<v Speaker 5>in towns either, but you can use the code. Anyone

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<v Speaker 5>can use the code, and the offer can be used

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<v Speaker 5>across all of the municipalities that make up the Blue

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<v Speaker 2>So even if you're visiting here and you're small enough

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<v Speaker 2>to get the code and visiting here from Hawaii or Alaska,

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<v Speaker 2>this Cross Blue Shield's going to take care of it. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys essentially are an insurance company. Have has this

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<v Speaker 2>program been successful? When it first started, I was concerned

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<v Speaker 2>these bikes without any bike riding or little bike riding

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<v Speaker 2>experience that I could see, you know, a family from

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere flying down Beacon Street from Beacon Hill and disaster

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<v Speaker 2>code en. So it's been run pretty safely.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, very safe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And it really is more focused on you know people

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<v Speaker 5>for young kids to be riding the bikes there. They're

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<v Speaker 5>very sturdy bikes and are quite heavy, but so more

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<v Speaker 5>for an adult. But our company's mission is really to

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<v Speaker 5>show up for everyone, like they're the only one, and

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<v Speaker 5>as a not for profit health plan, that means supporting

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<v Speaker 5>our members, our customers, our clinical partners, our employees, and

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<v Speaker 5>our communities. And Blue Bike was just a natural fit

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<v Speaker 5>for sponsorship as it increases access and accessibility throughout the

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<v Speaker 5>Greater Boston region to biking, which also promotes like whole

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<v Speaker 5>body health. So it was a really great opportunity for us,

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<v Speaker 5>and it has been has been the best sponsorship that

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<v Speaker 5>I think that we've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, well, Jeff, I appreciate you explaining it. And

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<v Speaker 2>people can take advantage of this from October eighth, which

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<v Speaker 2>is tomorrow, through October the twelfth, which is twelve days away,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they can they can have they can use

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<v Speaker 2>get five free rise is what you said during that

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, from October eighth to the twentieth. October eighth to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, could say the twelfth. I apologize it was I

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<v Speaker 2>meant twelve days.

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<v Speaker 5>Twelve days, yeah, correct, twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Days October eighth to the twentieth. All right, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much, and a safe bike riding.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, thanks, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I got to get you out on one of the bikes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know something you could probably get me to to

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<v Speaker 2>convert to cannibalism before you could do that. I get

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<v Speaker 2>I get my exercise. I'm a customer of Blue Cross,

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Shield, very good to my shirts. But I get

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<v Speaker 2>my exercise in the gym.

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<v Speaker 5>About five, oh, we got that. Well, maybe maybe we

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<v Speaker 5>could we ease you in on an e bike.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no one. I don't even know what any

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<v Speaker 2>bike is, to be really honest with you, And I

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<v Speaker 2>like my car. I like my car, and I like

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<v Speaker 2>my gym, and so.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, well I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wish your best. Yeah, that's that's important. Got to stay.

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<v Speaker 5>Healthy, tru That's right, Stay active and healthy. It's good

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<v Speaker 2>The doing this a long time. If you knew how

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<v Speaker 2>long you've been doing this, Jeff, you'd be surprised. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very.

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<v Speaker 5>Much, Dan, I really appreciate it. Have a good night.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the conversation. We get back. Remember that story

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<v Speaker 2>we told you about a twenty six thousand dollars gold statue,

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<v Speaker 2>Well it has been discovered and we have the creator

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<v Speaker 2>him on a week and a half ago, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>once day someone finds this, this gold statue worth twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six thousand dollars, which was hidden somewhere in the woods

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<v Speaker 2>of Massachusetts. And when you know, someone did find it

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<v Speaker 2>and they used their head to find it. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>Well, about a week and a half ago, Jason Rorer,

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<v Speaker 2>a New Hampshire game designer in the creator of Treasure Hunt,

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<v Speaker 2>spent some time with us explaining to us what Project

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<v Speaker 2>Skydrop was and he made a commitment, and a man

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<v Speaker 2>of his words, he's returned once a winner found this

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six thousand dollars beautiful. I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 2>call it a golden vase. I mean, it's how have

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<v Speaker 2>you described this, Jason, I forget what term you characterized it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean we've mostly just been calling it a treasure.

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's a little bit like a chalice. It has

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<v Speaker 6>multiple rings floating on a central spine. It doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>It would have looked very nice, well, it would have

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<v Speaker 2>looked lovely as a vase on my mantlepiece with some flowers.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I mean it wouldn't hold a lot of though,

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<v Speaker 6>because it's got a lot of intricacy to it.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not Oh, I didn't realize that, Okay, So as

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<v Speaker 7>I understand it, Uh, you placed it in the woods

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<v Speaker 7>in the favorite town name from Massachusetts, Irving, Massachusetts spelled

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I think that's clear now from how a small

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<v Speaker 2>So who placed it in the woods? Did you place

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<v Speaker 2>it there? Or did you?

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<v Speaker 6>I went with my creative partner, Tom Bailey, and then

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<v Speaker 6>we had a journalist with us from Wired magazine, Joseph,

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<v Speaker 6>who was blindfolded, so he tip made the entire trip

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<v Speaker 6>from Dover, New Hampshire to Irving blindfolded in our land Cruiser,

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<v Speaker 6>and he ate a subway sandwich on the side of

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<v Speaker 6>the road blindfolded, hiked in about a mile up a

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<v Speaker 6>pretty rocky trail blindfolded, and my twenty one year old son,

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<v Speaker 6>Mez also came with us to help us carry some

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<v Speaker 2>Son, you trusted your son right, I hope.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he was not blindfolded. So there were three humans

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<v Speaker 6>who knew where the treasure was and nobody else knew

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<v Speaker 6>where it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the winner now has been identified. When I

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<v Speaker 2>to hear about it because I knew you'd be back

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<v Speaker 2>and join us. He apparently wanted inanimity, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>found as well. Well, can you just I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>had the guy's name in front of me. I guess.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, the name has been in the name has

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<v Speaker 6>been in the media, so I don't think we need

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<v Speaker 6>to keep it a secret anymore. And he's a he's

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<v Speaker 6>a local meteorologist. Uh, And so you know that the

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<v Speaker 6>mystery is how he solved it. He solved it about

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<v Speaker 6>two or three days early, I think, compared to anybody else.

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<v Speaker 6>And and so you know, it's not like there were

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<v Speaker 6>crowds of people about to get the treasure at the

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<v Speaker 6>moment he solved it. So he was using a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of his meteorological knowledge and skill to track weather patterns, rain, rain,

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<v Speaker 6>where it was raining on camera versus where it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 6>and also where when the sun and sun versus the

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<v Speaker 6>clouds were there was a live camera that he was

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<v Speaker 6>looking at looking at the treasure, and he's paying attention

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<v Speaker 6>to when the clouds passed over and when sun was visible,

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<v Speaker 6>and so he narrowed it down based on that. And

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<v Speaker 6>then he also was the patterns of the tree where

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<v Speaker 6>in a beech grove and there's not that many beach.

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<v Speaker 2>Grove It's not like It's not like this guy was

426
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<v Speaker 2>moving from Kennett. I mean this area which you started

427
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<v Speaker 2>off with was I think some five hundred miles across.

428
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<v Speaker 2>It could have been anywhere in New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts,

429
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<v Speaker 2>Connecticut and New York State. Was what was the geographic

430
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<v Speaker 2>area that you said it could be?

431
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was calling that the boss wash megalopolis. So

432
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<v Speaker 6>it's the giant mega metropolitan area that includes Boston all

433
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<v Speaker 6>the way down to Washington, d C. And all the

434
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<v Speaker 6>big cities in between like New York and Baltimore, and

435
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<v Speaker 6>a good portion of Pennsylvania all the way up into

436
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<v Speaker 6>most of New York State. So a big circle. It

437
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:33.720
<v Speaker 6>was a big circle to start with.

438
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<v Speaker 2>Any circle is going to be found in America. That

439
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<v Speaker 2>was a good thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, Yes, it was the and on the east coast,

441
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<v Speaker 6>on the northeast, somewhere in the north.

442
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<v Speaker 2>So, so did he spend his time out there in

443
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<v Speaker 2>the wilderness checking this out? How did he spend a

444
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<v Speaker 2>lot of time in front of the computer and narrowing

445
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<v Speaker 2>it down before he went and started to look.

446
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so he was using mostly I think these patterns.

447
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<v Speaker 6>So on a time when there was a live trail

448
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 6>camera looking at the treasure and providing an image every

449
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.480
<v Speaker 6>fifteen minutes, and he'd look at that and he'd say, Aha,

450
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<v Speaker 6>it's sunny in the image, and then he'd do a

451
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<v Speaker 6>map of everywhere that was sunny and save that and

452
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<v Speaker 6>then later on, you know, three hours later, be cloudy

453
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<v Speaker 6>in the image. Aha, do a map of everywhere was

454
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<v Speaker 6>cloudy right now and kind of cross those and intersect those,

455
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<v Speaker 6>and that would And he did that day after day

456
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<v Speaker 6>after day for about five or six days, and that

457
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:28.960
<v Speaker 6>narrowed it down. It kept ruling out areas that weren't

458
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<v Speaker 6>both cloudy and sunny across these different times that he

459
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:33.519
<v Speaker 6>was watching, and so that just kind of gave him

460
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<v Speaker 6>the Swiss cheese map of where it could possibly be.

461
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<v Speaker 6>And then he also used some of the temperature data

462
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<v Speaker 6>that was coming off the live camera to narrow it

463
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<v Speaker 6>down even further given his temperature maps that he had

464
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<v Speaker 6>as a meteorologist. After that, the circle had shrunken down

465
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<v Speaker 6>to about thirty five miles or twenty five miles that included,

466
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<v Speaker 6>you know, the Wendell State Forest and the Irving State

467
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<v Speaker 6>Forest and a few other state forests in the area.

468
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<v Speaker 6>He applied a Swiss cheese map to that circle and

469
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<v Speaker 6>then was also looking for beach trees in those areas,

470
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<v Speaker 6>and they're just aren't that many beach trees. Most of

471
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<v Speaker 6>the temlock in that area. So then he narrowed it

472
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<v Speaker 6>down any further which places had sun and clouds at

473
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<v Speaker 6>these hours and also have beach trees. And then he

474
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<v Speaker 6>literally just went and walked the beach groves for about

475
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<v Speaker 6>two hours, just wandering around looking for In some of

476
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<v Speaker 6>the clue images that were released, there were these crisscrossed logs,

477
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<v Speaker 6>very distinctive logs, and so he was walking around looking

478
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<v Speaker 6>for those logs, and then he found logs that looked

479
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 6>correct and he actually almost stepped on the treasure, didn't

480
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:35.440
<v Speaker 6>see it, walked away thinking he must have the wrong

481
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 6>logs because the treasure is gold and it's sitting down

482
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<v Speaker 6>among some golden leaves, you know, on the ground, and

483
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.559
<v Speaker 6>blends right in. It reflects the colors of the leaves

484
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<v Speaker 6>around it. And he said he looked right through it.

485
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<v Speaker 6>He just couldn't see it. It was like almost camouflaged,

486
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:49.599
<v Speaker 6>he said. And then he came back a few minutes

487
00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:51.359
<v Speaker 6>later and looked at the spot again. These logs look

488
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<v Speaker 6>so familiar, they looked just like the ones in the pictures.

489
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<v Speaker 6>Has to be here, how could it not be here?

490
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<v Speaker 6>And then suddenly he was staring at what he thought

491
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<v Speaker 6>was a patch of leaves, and suddenly the treasure piered.

492
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<v Speaker 6>So it's a pretty crazy story. He almost walked away

493
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<v Speaker 6>and left it. He would have seen himself on the

494
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:07.559
<v Speaker 6>dreilt camera when he got home, though.

495
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you when you talk to him or whatever.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Was he like in a general area and there were

497
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<v Speaker 2>other people looking as well, or was he there by himself?

498
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<v Speaker 2>And maybe you know.

499
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<v Speaker 6>Full fleet, but I mean he was not the only

500
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<v Speaker 6>one in Wendell State Forest or in Irving State Forest

501
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:28.119
<v Speaker 6>in that area. I mean all those state forests, you know,

502
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<v Speaker 6>even when the circle is quite a bit bigger state

503
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 6>forest across Massachusetts were jammed I mean he was hearing

504
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<v Speaker 6>from people from the DCR and so on who were

505
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<v Speaker 6>like the forest rangers and like, oh yeah, parking lotter fall.

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<v Speaker 6>So people are how.

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<v Speaker 2>Many people entered the search? I know there was a

508
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<v Speaker 2>twenty dollars entry fee, correct, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it was something like eighty seven hundred, so

510
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.839
<v Speaker 6>quite quite quite a number, and a majority of those

511
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.759
<v Speaker 6>were living inside the circle. A huge number of them

512
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<v Speaker 6>were in the Boston area, in Connecticut and so on,

513
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 6>as the circle shrank and was including those states. So

514
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 6>we have we actually have a map on our website

515
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Speaker 6>where you can see a sort of a heat map

516
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 6>of where people have joined from, like a little doc

517
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<v Speaker 6>for each person based on their zip code, only we

518
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<v Speaker 6>don't actually ten point each person. And it's a lot

519
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 6>of fire right around Boston, a lot of fire around

520
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 6>around the Connecticut area as well, a lot of those

521
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.039
<v Speaker 6>people are actually going into the woods themselves, right they

522
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 6>were looking.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did some math on this, okay, So if

524
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<v Speaker 2>you hit eighties, which just told me eighty seven hundred

525
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 2>entrance at twenty bucks a pop, that's one hundred and

526
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 2>seventy four thousand dollars an entrance fees. That's not bad.

527
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you make out a little bit with

528
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>this as well.

529
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 6>I mean, well that's the that's the funny thing. Of course,

530
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Speaker 6>half of that money, ten dollars from each entry fee,

531
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<v Speaker 6>goes into this bounty. So that was eighty seven thousand

532
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 6>dollars right there, and there's just Yeah.

533
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<v Speaker 2>The bounty is I guess it has to. That's a

534
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 2>second portion of this besides the twenty six thousand dollar trophy.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Explain what the bounty is.

536
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so this is you know, inten intended originally to

537
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<v Speaker 6>be somewhat mysterious, although people are kind of baffled by it.

538
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.599
<v Speaker 6>But the treasure itself, if you of course, I've seen

539
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 6>pictures of it, it's covered with mysterious writing. I guess

540
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 6>a lot of people kind of figured out by looking

541
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:20.960
<v Speaker 6>at pictures that that mysterious writing must encode something, and

542
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 6>other people just I don't know, I just thought it

543
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 6>was decoration or something. So the treasure itself is a

544
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 6>two part decoding machine. It actually comes apart and reconfigures

545
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.920
<v Speaker 6>itself and spins around almost like a decoder ring, and

546
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 6>that is instrumental for the winner who has the treasure

547
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 6>to figure out how to recover the bounty. There's secrets

548
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 6>encoded on the treasure about recovering that bounty.

549
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>So the bounty can only be recovered if you have

550
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the treasure. Who found it? I guess he now could

551
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>if he wanted to get some people to help him

552
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 2>on it.

553
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<v Speaker 6>If it's nothing, Yes, absolutely, yes, that was the idea,

554
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 6>is like, what if the puzzle on the treasures do hard, Well,

555
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.960
<v Speaker 6>you recruit some friends and give them ten percent or something, right.

556
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So either way you didn't lose

557
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>money on this, which is you know, well, hold on.

558
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<v Speaker 6>A minute, hold on a hold of it twice, you know,

559
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:13.519
<v Speaker 6>we had twenty dollars on the gold.

560
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

561
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 6>And then we made a video and that animated video,

562
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 6>which I'm sure you've looked at on the website took

563
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 6>hundreds of hours for a professional animator to make, so

564
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 6>that was very expensive to make. And then, uh, you

565
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 6>know what, our website so many people are visiting it

566
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<v Speaker 6>and zooming in and out of the map. We were

567
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.839
<v Speaker 6>using a map service because you know, nobody gets maps

568
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 6>away for free if you're not you know, don't if

569
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 6>you have them on your own website for this kind

570
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<v Speaker 6>of thing. People in the first week hit fifteen million

571
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 6>zoomable map tiles giving us a seven thousand dollars bill

572
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 6>from our map hosting provider.

573
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<v Speaker 8>So there's a lot and just that waykay, without.

574
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<v Speaker 6>Text messages, right, So there's just a lot of happens.

575
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<v Speaker 2>I think i'm your friend here. I'm not trying to

576
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>cross examine you here. It's going to be you're going

577
00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 2>to be lucky to break even here.

578
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<v Speaker 6>Oh absolutely no, we have. We've lost about six thousand

579
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<v Speaker 6>dollars so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, but guess what you made it up in publicity. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy you've been a great guest both times,

582
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 2>and you've also been in good sport, which is even

583
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 2>more important because I never would have found this. Okay.

584
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<v Speaker 2>I stand in awe of the people who created Skydrop,

585
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 2>yourself and others, and I stand in awe the fella

586
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>who founded Dan Leonard and it was great for Nightside.

587
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>And I hope that maybe at some point some people

588
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.319
<v Speaker 2>actually heard about it on the program and decided to

589
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<v Speaker 2>participate as a result of our first time.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did. It's

591
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<v Speaker 6>been a pleasure talking to you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir, Thank you so much. Okay, we'll do it again.

593
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Jason, appreciate it. Ye bye bye. Okay,

594
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<v Speaker 2>So that was fun. That was fun. That is for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>We get back when we talk about something that's not

596
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<v Speaker 2>going to be fun at least the people of Florida,

597
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's Hurricane Milton, category five that's supposed to hit

598
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.200
<v Speaker 2>landfall maybe Wednesday night, Thursday morning. This on top of

599
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 2>what they've gone through with Hurricane Helene down in that

600
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 2>section of the country. Tough. We're gonna be talking with

601
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 2>a meteorologists for the National Weather Service right after this

602
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 2>break here on Nightside.

603
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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios. I' WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone. You know, I believe in jinxs, so

606
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to jinx anything, but it's been a

607
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 2>quiet hurricane season in our part of the country. Okay, However,

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<v Speaker 2>that has not been the case in other parts of

609
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<v Speaker 2>the country. Joining us now for the National Weather Service.

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<v Speaker 2>Delighted to welcome Kevin Kadema to talk about what looks

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<v Speaker 2>like a big storm, another big storm that's about to

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<v Speaker 2>hit the Gulf Coast of Florida. Kevin Kadima, Welcome to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us. Tonight. How are you.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a big one. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>like the size of a Hurricane Sandy or Hurricane Katrina

617
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<v Speaker 2>to give us a sense of how much damaged this

618
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>one might do, particularly coming as it is on the

619
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<v Speaker 2>heels of Hurricane Helene.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so currently Milton is a Category five storm, packing

621
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.799
<v Speaker 8>winds of one hundred and eighty miles per hour. It's yeah,

622
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:25.119
<v Speaker 8>it has you know, intensified explosively, actually the third fastest

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<v Speaker 8>intensification in the Atlantic basin since records have been kept. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>we're looking at a life threatening storm surge, potential destructive

625
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:40.160
<v Speaker 8>winds in the entire west coast of Florida. Should really

626
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<v Speaker 8>take this extremely seriously. Right now, the current track is

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00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 8>kind of targeting the Tampa area, but you know, we're

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<v Speaker 8>still a couple of days out and these things can

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<v Speaker 8>shift a little bit. So anywhere really along the West coast,

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<v Speaker 8>say from you know, north of Tampa to Fort Myers

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<v Speaker 8>has to pay very close attention to this storm.

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa, as you know, has dodged a metaphorical weather bullet

633
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years, and they have almost been

634
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<v Speaker 2>as like bulletproof. But you guys that have listened to

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<v Speaker 2>today seem to be pretty certain that that this is

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<v Speaker 2>head to Tampa.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, right now, the latest track indications are that it's

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<v Speaker 8>going to track very close to Tampa, you know, later

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<v Speaker 8>Wednesday evening.

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<v Speaker 2>We have we have a major air force based down there,

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<v Speaker 2>Medill McDill. Is there any concern of they're getting you know,

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<v Speaker 2>military aircraft out of there in advance.

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<v Speaker 8>Of this, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I can't answer that,

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<v Speaker 8>but I what I can say is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>they certainly have to prepare for a catastrophic, life threatening

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<v Speaker 8>storm surge, the category five storm, even if it weekends

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<v Speaker 8>just to be we're looking at a ten to fifteen

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<v Speaker 8>foot storm surge potential along and just to the south

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<v Speaker 8>of the track in destructive winds. But that that storm

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<v Speaker 8>surge is the is the deadly component to the these

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<v Speaker 8>hurricanes going to take them extremely seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard someone say tonight, I believe that even though

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<v Speaker 2>it's now a hurry a five major major hurricane, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know if it can ever get to a six.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's I think that's the top of the scale, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>A five?

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<v Speaker 8>Now, category category five is the top of the scale.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, Yeah, that's what I thought. So, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>told that when it hits land it probably will be

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<v Speaker 2>reduced to a three. Is that the normal course when

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<v Speaker 2>a hurricane comes in off the open ocean into land,

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<v Speaker 2>that that kind of slows it down a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>or or blunts the impact to somewhat.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>These hurricanes get their their energy from the warm waters.

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<v Speaker 8>So once they lose that that source of energy and

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<v Speaker 8>they go over land with friction, they week and so

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<v Speaker 8>the storm will weaken once it hits land. But you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we're talking about a category five. You know, maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 8>best case would be a four if it were to

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<v Speaker 8>weaken just slightly before landfall. It's still a powerful, life

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<v Speaker 8>threatening storm. So you know, whether it's a five or four,

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<v Speaker 8>it's not gonna not gonna matter too much because the

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<v Speaker 8>storm surges.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. So this would have formed somewhere off the coast

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<v Speaker 2>of Africa or did it form elsewhere?

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<v Speaker 8>Now it formed It formed in the Gulf of Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so this this is a homegrown one. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>therefore this has not hit any of the Caribbean islands

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<v Speaker 2>or Cuba. Uh now, so far has just been over

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<v Speaker 2>the water. I guess it can brush up against Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>can't coon.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, Yeah, there, Mexico is in a in a hurricane

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<v Speaker 8>warning currently. It's just north of the Mexico coast. It's

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<v Speaker 8>going to stay. It's not going to make landfall in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 8>It's going to stay just to the north and then

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<v Speaker 8>get out over the over the open water again as

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<v Speaker 8>it makes it refuelards the.

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<v Speaker 4>West coast of Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so far, Kevin, it seems to me that up

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<v Speaker 2>until Helene, I know, the hurricane season technically runs from

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<v Speaker 2>June first to November thirtieth, it almost had been a

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<v Speaker 2>quiet hurricane season up until Helene and now Milton. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that an accurate characterization.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I would say so. It has been relatively quiet

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<v Speaker 8>up to that point. But it only you know, it

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<v Speaker 8>only takes one. Obviously, you know Helene was catastrophic, and

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<v Speaker 8>you know Milton certainly has the potential to produce catastrophic

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<v Speaker 8>damage as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. We'll have to keep our fingers crossed, and those

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<v Speaker 2>who pray will pray a little bit for the people

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida after it passes across Florida. My understanding is

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<v Speaker 2>it is heading out to see not likely to turn

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<v Speaker 2>up the coast towards US.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, Yes, that is correct.

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<v Speaker 8>It's going to track eastward off the Florida coast and stay,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, well to the south, actually probably weakening and

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<v Speaker 8>dissipating south of so really pose this no threat to

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<v Speaker 8>New England.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Kevin. Never had you on the

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<v Speaker 2>show before, but you were really good, very precise and

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<v Speaker 2>very concise, and I thank you for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Kadema of the National Weather Service talking about the arrival,

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<v Speaker 2>the almost imminent arrival in Florida in the Tampa area

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<v Speaker 2>of Hurricane Milton. Thanks, thank you so much for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us tonight. Kevin.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you're welcome, and thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet you. We'll have you back, all right. We're done.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back on the other side, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the the SJC hearing today dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the MBTA Communities Act. This is one that affects a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of communities and a lot of people, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to it right after the nine o'clock news. Here

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<v Speaker 2>on a Monday night edition of Nightside, Rob Brooks is

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<v Speaker 2>back in the control room. He's a not alongside physically,

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<v Speaker 2>but metaphorically back on nightside after this