Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the five hundred
and fifty fourth episode of the Geek Friss podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm traveled seventeen trust Now I'm joined.
Speaker 3: By I'm Always Ready for a prayer for Clem patzer
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Speaker 4: The hab Anaro Dilmus.
Speaker 5: I am the sauce to s taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, Lisia, and we have a very I guess I
could say anticipated I feel like it's like a It's
like a grown anticipated right because when we ah fuck
I fucked up. I forgot to re release I forgot
to re release the Parasite retro. I just realized that
because it's like a couple of years ago we reviewed Parasite,
not when it came out, but after the fact me
and Dylan had seen him at these two ba's.
Speaker 2: I mean like we had seen it and like, oh
we like that. And then at one point we did
snow Piercer as well. That came up.
Speaker 1: So it's been like a slow incline for bunging Hole's
work as far as getting on the Geek for his radar,
and then I think also passed in whether it's Twilight,
Harry Potter, other stuff's been on their life. But you know,
The Batman came out second biggest episode all time for
Geek Friss, So all these.
Speaker 2: Things have been assembling at and now we're here.
Speaker 1: It made our most anticipated movie. It didn't win we
I think I remember who. I think I thought everyone
but Taylor voted for.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I think the patrons they picked something else. I think
we lost out on the Mickey seventeen vote. But I
know many of us are anticipate and know many listeners
anticipating it, So we're gonna get right into it. Dyl
Muss austly as usual, non spoils. So if people are
wondering if they should check it out, or maybe they
don't have time to, you know, get to it in
the theaters, whatever it may be. Give us your overall
thoughts of Mickey seventeen.
Speaker 4: I absolutely love this movie. This is my favorite movie
I've watched in a long time. I absolutely love this thing.
I had such a great time with it. There's so
many ways, and it kind of surprised me a lot,
you know, from the trailers. I don't think I really
knew what to expect from this movie other than like
Pattison's getting cloned and he's getting killed, and like, that's
kind of it. But there's so much more to this
movie than that, I think right off the bat, like,
I really love the way sci fi is used in
this because it is there is some like larger fantastical
sci fi things that are happening, but it is very
grounded at the same time. It actually reminding me a
lot of my favorite author right now, Becky Chambers. I
read like every one of her books last year, and
she does a lot of space things, and the most
recent book of hers I read is called to Be
Taught If Fortunate, and in that there's like people going
to like a snowy planet to colonize it, and there's
a lot of like similarities to what's happening in this movie.
So I just felt like it was taking some of
those things and kind of bringing it to life the
book that I read last year. So really love the
sci fi in this because it's it's grounded, but then
still like is pretty crazy and zanying over the top
at times. I think it finds a nice balance there,
and I feel like the whole movie is kind of
like that, where there is tons of serious, like big
topics as bunkery hosts. There's a ton of you know,
big social commentary stuff, and I feel like in this
the he's almost throwing in like everything you could possibly
have in terms of social commentary, And honestly, I don't
know if any of it's a super nuanced take, but
there's just a lot in there, and there's a lot
to reflect on, and it's fun looking back at like
comparisons to or snow Piercer. There's a lot of comparisons
there in terms of obviously themes that he likes to
visit or talk about with his work that kind of
happens either in the background or is like the core plot.
So all that stuff's really good, but it balances that,
you know, intense societal stuff with just like, this is
the funniest movie I've seen in a long time. It
was cracking me up the whole way through. This movie.
I think has like these single funniest foreshadow I've ever
seen in any movie ever, or callback, I don't know,
it's one of the two. I mean, they're kind of
the two sides of the same coin. So I'm excited
to break down some of those things. And then just
like the acting is great. I think what surprised me
is obviously Pattison playing all these different characters versions of himself.
That was gonna be fun, and it was.
Speaker 5: It is great.
Speaker 4: He does you know, different little versions of it, which
is great. But then I was surprised at how much
I like just the whole cast, whether it's like a
smaller character like Stephen Yunan's character, who's not you know,
he's got like plot stuff going on, but I just
love everything he's doing in here. Everyone is like perfectly
cast for their role they're in. Uh And yeah, I
just I just had an absolutely grand old time with
this movie. I loved it from starting to finish, and
go to the theater right now and watch it. That
is my recommendation for everyone listening.
Speaker 2: Love here you go everyone, mister Pats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was really excited about this one.
A big fan of just the previous works of the director.
I've just I feel like they're very unique and like
impressive original films that just have a lot more than
than just sometimes a funny story. Sometimes you know, it's
a lot deeper than that. It just seems like there's
so much in these films. So I think I had
that in the back of my mind going into it,
like to expect that, but I really did not prep
myself for what I was getting into here. In the
most positive sense possible, I was, you know, fortunate Shake
came with me on this one. I really had no
idea how she was kinna feel. She watched Parasite with me.
She wasn't a big fan of that movie, but she
liked Robert Patterson, and I didn't show the trailer at all,
so she went in very blind and she had fantastic
time with it. She was laughing her butt off, and yeah,
this is a very funny movie, way funnier than I
was expecting it to be.
Speaker 5: But there's also just a lot of good.
Speaker 3: Juice in there pun not intended, but there's also juste
in there. Yes, sauce. Yeah, I know. I truly truly
had a fantastic time with this movie. It's definitely not
a perfect movie. I think I do have some grievances
with certain things that happened, but I think my overall
love for it just is able to kind of it's
able to look past a lot of that, but it
will maybe hinder my score overall by the time we
get to the end, just when we unpack some of
those things. But Pattinson, man, he's just he is so
fantastic in this movie. I remember like his voice from
the trailers, and I think I had that in back
in my mind, but once I heard it, like right
away at the start of the film, I'm like, oh, right,
this is like a very different type of voice that
he's done in anything before. And yeah, I know, he
was just phenomenal throughout the whole thing. Yeah. Well, can't
wait to get into it and talk about that. But
I will say something that really surprised me, and in
another really fantastic sense, is I feel like this movie,
specifically around certain creatures in it, are like heavily inspired
by a Studio Ghivli film called NAUSICAA in the Valley
of the Wind, which I highly recommend. It's the nineteen
eighty four film, and it actually is like eerily similar
to what's happening around certain creatures in this film, and
it's like the design is the exact same. So it
was hard for me to look past that. But I
love that film so much, and I think that they're
able to not just copy the same thing, but like
use that and then tell his own story. In this movie.
So yeah, I was really really just fond of that
because I love that movie. And yeah, no, this was
a really really fun time and highly highly recommended to
go see this in theaters as well. And this was
like pretty busy in my theater, which I was kind
of surprised about.
Speaker 5: Early in the week.
Speaker 3: This was playing on the big theater on the West Side,
which I guess there's not a lot a lot of
stuff out, but I just kind of assumed it was
going to be a little bit more of a niche film.
But yeah, there was quite a few people in my
theater and pretty loud, like people are we we're having
a good time with it. They're they're they're giggling at.
Speaker 5: Certain characters in here.
Speaker 3: Mark Ruffalo is just like in this certain era of
acting right now that I'm just loving. Yeah, yeah, exactly
very much reminded me of that, And I loved.
Speaker 1: He's going to plead for them to kill him off
in Secret Wars and just keep doing these type of
roles because like I think he's having an like we
know what we can do.
Speaker 2: We've seen the power.
Speaker 1: It's like you for a season two of them day
It's like, Okay, you can't be m jmur like, yeah,
we've seen what.
Speaker 2: You can do. Like it's just yeah, ruffles having a
great time, I imagine.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I really like Tony Collette too and in this role.
But yeah, overall, great time with this one, and highly
recommend it.
Speaker 2: It's Field.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you guys land on some pretty solid points,
and I'm going to reiterate what you guys have said.
It's it's a dang good movie. I had a lot
of fun with it. It was really really enjoyable, and
it was not something I was expecting. I think I
was kind of going in with one kind of linear narrative,
like Okay, this is how this is how it's going
to go down from what I'm aware of and what
I have to do for the trailers, and they just
they have a baseline of that, but then they have
so much more layered on top and so many other
things that are just unfolding and the storyline and it's
just got a really humbling foundation to it, and I
felt like you really get attached to the to Mickey,
I'll say, you get to attach to that character and
you get to be really connected with this story that's
unfolding with him and I really like that. It was
just a really nice, wholesome, point A to point B
kind of storyline for me though, and we'll talk more
throughout it.
Speaker 5: My only was I feel like we got.
Speaker 6: To that third act it just felt long and and
that was the first time it kind of pulled me
out of it because I thought like I started to
feel like, okay, things that started to simmer down and
wrap up, and then it just felt like, oh, we're
still going in an extended part. And I can't remember
what that movie was called, Chris Pratt did. It was
an Amazon movie with the time travel in the future.
Speaker 5: In the tail war Tomorrow War.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm not saying it's exactly like that bad,
but it just felt like you get to this point
of the movie and it's like, oh, this feels like
there's there's more going.
Speaker 5: On now, and it's like, okay.
Speaker 6: That that is worse though in a sense, but that
feeling was residually residing here slightly for me. But again,
oh yeah, I still enjoy this movie. I think it's
a lot of fun. And I reiterate what you guys say,
go see it in the theaters because there's it's a
sci fi movie, and I think sci fi movies deserve
to be seen on the big screen because there's a
lot of really cool effects, the visuals. The great in
this was like the Aliens of the Spaceships, all that
kind of stuff. It's just it's a lot of fun,
and the humor really worked for me. Like you mentioned there,
Mark Ruffalo, Holy smokes. I'm sure we obviously discussed who
was in this movie, but that completely was absent from
my mind. And so when he just popped in and
his character, I was dying laughing at all the crazy
shit he was just doing, just things in his mannerisms
in the background, Like, oh, I was just I was
laughing my head off just with him.
Speaker 5: He's so zany, and yeah, I love that. I love
that so much.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking forward to rewatching this because I feel
like this is something that you could really miss a
lot of things on the first viewing, and there's other
things you're gonna spot or notice the second time around,
because it feels very detailed in this world that they created,
even though it's very small. I imagine like even the
set was probably not really big, because I feel like
most of this movie is really not spoiling it on
a spaceship, but I just feel like there's so much.
Speaker 5: Detail and so much that you could really overlook that.
Speaker 6: It's it's just it's a really cool world that they
created here, and I don't I don't ever need like
a as much as I'm sure some people would love
it a sequel or anything like that.
Speaker 5: It's just being like a great one off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is just a great one off, original story,
and it's it's just it's really really cool, really really
refreshing and rejuvenating to see something like this in the
big screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna get a sequel. I
think you're fine.
Speaker 3: No sequels to Parasite two next, and then he's gonna
just do sequels to all of his films.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's still he says, they're still remaking Parasite into
an American version, which I'm still kind of like we.
Speaker 4: Did a show of they did Yeah, they did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think like the rumor was Mark
Ruffalo was going to play the Dad and the Parisite remake,
which makes sense after working together here, I'm probably sure
they had a good time. So but that's when we're like,
do we need this? I don't know, but would I
watch it? Probably because Mark Ruffalo is great. So it
all depends on the casting, right, But uh yeah, and
what these guys said, Yeah, definitely go out and see it.
You know, I don't we tell this whole time newscast
will always make this point where you'll hear anybody, your
friend's family, coworkers.
Speaker 2: Oh, they just don't make an original movies anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do, just people just don't go out and
see them. So this is as original as it gets.
Like i'd say, like in our almost near ten year
spam with we and maybe that's a good conversation. Maybe
that's a Brendan Barter talk about like what are the
most original movies and games and shows that have happened
in this decade? Because I feel like in the movie sphere,
this probably deserves a spot somewhere in the top ten
for just original concept and done very well. There's lots
of great concepts out there. But then we've been like, oh,
you know, like to wor War, you know, stuff like that.
You know, it's a fine movie, but yeah, so go
watch it. Yeah, the same thing as these guys. I
hate to act with them. I really, really enjoyed it
as well. I think everybody's like like past, everyon gets
is like shine at different moments. It is Passing's movie,
and he shines for the most part. But like Ruffalo
and collect, they're fantastic. Naomi Aki, who like I really
am a big fan of I would have not thought
and this one comes down and directing and scriptwriting her
whatever character she was in episode nine, never thought of
her ever again after I saw that movie. But between
the Nash yeah, Aki right, I think I'm saying right,
I don't know, Okay, so that's I think I'll double check.
Speaker 2: I hope I don't saying a wrong actress name. I
think that's her.
Speaker 1: But between that, this and Blink twice last year, she's fantastic,
Like she's somebody that now when she gets cast and
stuff like, oh my hype level has gone up and
uh everyone comes to play here some great visuals.
Speaker 2: It is like even what Tia said, yeah, it's a.
Speaker 1: Smaller set, but that's why this movie still costs one
to eighty because it feels real and that's what's nice.
Even some of these CGI creatures and things like that,
it's like they do their best.
Speaker 2: Naomi Aki Okay, what did I say? Don't get right?
Speaker 3: I think you said that.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, but anyways, I only great job. Can't wait
to see any more stuff. But yeah, like even that stuff,
it's like, oh, we see so many see things in
primarily the stuff we review. That one you get a
numb and then it's like, okay, there's levels of bad
so oftoenly there's always gonna be kind like a silicon
value of it. Okay, that's not real. He's moving this
thing that's not real. But it's pretty dang good, especially
from the stuff we get nowadays. I'm not gonna say
slop and lots of it's because studios rush these effects.
Not that the effects artists are bad now, it's just
that they don't get the time nor the money, right.
So that's something that's nice here where it's not a franchise.
It's not a hey bong, you gotta get this out
before you know the chapter eight comes out like no, no,
you just put it out. Lots of social commentary.
Speaker 2: It's something.
Speaker 1: It's funny when we were talking about Daredevil earlier this week.
It's something if you don't really like anything political, or
if you're kind of tired of politics. This is like everything,
every major issue that's happened in the last five to
six six years is in this movie. I think they
do a very good job of At times it's almost
parody level in a good way. Sometimes I say that
as a bad way. No, this is where it's done well.
So I think for the most part, that's all working
well until I'm kind of somehow surprisedly with Taylor. The
third act for me is a little long, could tighten up,
and I think they didn't have the best They didn't
walk the type bounce the best because I feel like
the rest of the movie tight rope, not type bounce
the tight rope the best because the act one act too,
I feel like the parody in comedy and the drama
work together very very well, where I think in the
third act they kind of clash at sometimes because I
feel like they're trying to get very serious on some things.
There's also some scene choices where I'm just like, this isn't.
Speaker 2: Working for me.
Speaker 1: Nothing ever reaches like the bad or like it took
it down a bunch of scores.
Speaker 2: It's just that was for me. As I think the
pacing ending was really good, and.
Speaker 1: Then the third act kind of felt like not a
screeching hole, but it just felt like, oh, I'm I
realize I'm watching a movie now with the first act
and second act, I'm just in for the adventure. But yeah, Pattison, man,
how far this guy has come to just being cedric
degree and we already talk with the batman. But it's
just kind of funny, Like, wouldn't have thought that. Edward
calling like one of my favorite actors working a day and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great job. Bong is always just making great stuff.
Speaker 1: As far the things I've seen to think, I would
rank it fourth because I've never fully seen one of
his Korean films.
Speaker 2: There's one I seen and I can't remember. It's about
like a monster. I have to finish it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, there's one that's just I guess that
isn't Crean. Sorry that one's on Netflix.
Speaker 2: This is easy.
Speaker 1: This is like from the nineties or something that I
was watching and then it went away on the streaming
service and like, oh, I never finished it. But yeah,
I think Parasite's like a god tier movie, and I
think snow Piers are like a little bit better. But
this is definitely when I will rewatch in the future.
Don't know if I'm gonna rushed it, but yeah, great
movie and I'm excited to break it down.
Speaker 2: So is there anything nonspories we want to say?
Speaker 4: Soundtracks fantastic. I think it could have been just like
classic sci fi for this, but I think it's much
more playful. Once again, it's like the balance between tones
that this movie is. It like the serious and then
like the playful. So I really really dug the soundtrack.
I feel like it's used kind of sparingly, but I
noticed it in several moments that it really stood out
and just kind of elevated and made things a little
bit more fantast going away.
Speaker 1: Really enjoyed that something you said there and something I
said earlier that I'm just gonna shout out before I
forget it, is this movie does. One of my favorite
movie tropes is when it's technology we've never seen, or
technologies that's new hundreds of years in the future, but
it looks old, you know. The First Star Wars Blade
Runner funny enough with Passing the Batman, where Batman has
this high tech gear, has it suffered Selena put in
her eye, but it all looks like it's like broken
and like the rusted and everything.
Speaker 2: I love that where there's like you know, minors spoilers,
like a chainsaw.
Speaker 1: You get to see how that works, and it's like
it's just like a few additions to make it something
cool and different, but then it looks lived in. And
that's my favorite type of sci fi. I'm not saying
I don't like like the shiny, glossy. Yeah there's places
for that, but I love just makes the world feel
even more lived in, So I appreciate those details. So
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I want to start with the voice because I didn't
want to say this. I didn't think it was a spoiler,
but just in case, because you curkently brought up the voice,
I think it's like, Okay, I remembered it, but the
fact that he was narrating the whole movie, I think
just really the first twenty minutes said it on. I'm like, oh, man, like,
what a choice. And it's a great choice, and the
good thing is that works. It's a goofy, silly voice,
but sometimes I can almost take you out of it.
But I and I think he probably did narrate the trailer,
but trailers you never know, right, like that can just
just be for the audience to understand it. So I'm like, oh,
he's gonna be talking a lot throughout this, and it
was a great choice.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that voice, uh just.
Speaker 1: Made just just like kind of weasley, little little slimy
loser guy, but almost been him charming as well too,
So that's what I appreciate about.
Speaker 4: He's like immediately rootable, which is so important for the
whole premise of this.
Speaker 3: Right it feels like a child at times, just like
a just just you know, just very innocent and like
doesn't fully understand how the world works. But he's just
so innocent in his in his actions and just thoughts
and everything. But I like giggled as soon as I
heard his voice because it is just so goofy compared
to other Well, I've just seen Robert Pattinson in things,
and he's never had a voice anywhere near this. I
found it just fantastic though, for like the stark contrast
between Mickey eighteen when we get introduced to him, because
he's just like more of a normal voice, I guess,
but just like a lot more.
Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne was coming out there when he's like giving him.
Speaker 3: Just yelling at him.
Speaker 5: And then when he said like the innocent little.
Speaker 1: Seventeen when he was standing over him, he was was
his coating and back and.
Speaker 3: Forth his eyes and like just his expression of his
face and everything. That's where I'm like, man like, he's
just so phenomenal of an actor here and he's just
playing off of himself. Like it was just yeah, I
tip my hat to him in those scenes specifically.
Speaker 2: And another thing is Dyne, you won't know this because
I won't say luckily an idiot, what are you saying
you haven't seen the Flash that came out a couple
years ago? When I think you remember this Twister.
Speaker 4: I should be applauded for not going to see that movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, aw no, no, I'm just saying that there's uh
I think they show the Trits, but there's two berries, right.
And one of our biggest critiques was throughout that movie,
it was really tough because like they have Ezra acting
against themselves, but they would do this thing where they're
also was a stunt double and they were doing that
CGI like face replaced tech and it will cost it
will Like when I rewatch it, but then back then
it'll take me out. This is one of the better
versions of obviously lots of camera chrickery. Sometimes it's even easier.
Sometimes they make it. That's a problem with big CGI movies.
They overthink it. You just set a camera in the
room and you have a halfway point. They don't cross it.
You're kind of set. You just don't have to do anything.
But I have to say it's like one of the
best examples of recent times of making a clone, twin double,
whatever it may be, and it's feeling completely natural, where
like I said, I think that's the biggest thing I
jumped to as far as the recent thing we've done
in the podcast where it's two people, it's like, ah,
this doesn't feel like it's two people because like the
acting is fine, but it's this is a computer generated
version of Ezra this where this is like I'm sure
there's a couple of times where it is a pass
and face put on somebody, but for the most part,
I think they used it very sparingly and they did
it very well, So I didn't take me out all
on top top grades to whoever was doing that.
Speaker 4: So and I mean it's huge credit to I mean
Pattison and obviously the whole crew here where you know,
at one point, like jokingly, Nasha does write seventeen and
eighteen on their chest and lipstick, which is, you know,
for her to remember as as a character, but like
you don't even really need that because like just the mannerism,
just the posture of the pose, and then obviously when
they're actually speaking as well, Like, at no point was
I ever confused at which one was which, And I
think that's just yeah, X, Like they don't even have
They don't even show the numbers for very long in
the movie, right before they put their soup back on,
and it just like, that's that's so great that there's
not one scene was I confused about who was who?
Because that's not what this movie's about. It's not supposed
to be like a mystery on which one's which. It's
not like a bluffing game in that way. So yeah, yeah,
that that can't be easy, uh, and they freaking nailed it,
So kudos to them.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Hopefully we have a similar you know thing with
Sinners another another oh yeah, same actor bouncing off of themselves.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I call like seven trailers before
this movie, I was like dead to the freaking movie.
There's so many, but the Sinner's one was it was
good to watch that.
Speaker 1: I was yeah, I was happy or I was not
happy I got that one because i'd heard it spoiled
a lot, and then we got that trailer and I
was like, oh, so I see what people were talking about.
But yeah, there you go. You get a year, even
though I don't think. I think the difference isn't gonna
be as grass here with these two, with this seventeen
eighteen compared to the Twins and everything like that, So
which is funny.
Speaker 2: Because and that's why I wasn't sure where we're gonna
go completely.
Speaker 1: We didn't get to see He talks about and sort
what's the female love interest is again, Dhalad Nasa.
Speaker 2: He talks about how she has told.
Speaker 1: Him the differences between the mickeys, but I feel like
we didn't get to see that.
Speaker 2: This is not a critique.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying about why I was wondering what was
going on eighteen because it's just like, Okay, we've heard
a little bit different, but really we just see them die, right,
So we're not getting the Spanich time with them. So
in eighteen, that's where it's like, Okay, this is something
where eventually you've cooked too many times that you're starting.
Speaker 2: To go a little loop. Because they set up that
guy was the killer, that was the multiples.
Speaker 1: Now he could have just been a killer in general,
right and been a bad guy, But just because they
had set up earlier, this guy kind of going a
little loopy.
Speaker 2: And now we had eighteen and for a little bit.
Speaker 1: We didn't, you know, they were trying to kill each other,
and then eighteen's off screen for a bit. I didn't
think he was gonna be like killing the Koliad or.
Speaker 2: Things like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I found that was a good tension dynamic
to do in the middle portion when we met eighteen,
he was a little little more heated than I probably
think the other mickeys were.
Speaker 4: So I also liked that wasn't something that was just
like explicitly, there wasn't like exposition, There wasn't some character
like dumping why exactly they're different. But to me, it
just comes down to, like, what is something that is
funny overall? Like, well, you know, a theme of this
in general is that like the leadership is super incompetent obviously,
like the President guy is very much like a Trump
type guy. But then also all the scientists on this
ship are fucking idiots. They're just like playing games. They're
constantly forgetting to about the thing and like to explain
why their memories are different. There's literally a shot of
one of them like tripping on one of the chords
that's putting his memories into his head, and it's like, well, yeah,
if that's not plugged in, then obviously his brain is
gonna be different than it has been before because you're
not copying the same person anymore. So I liked that
they didn't really have to explain that, they just kind
of showed it in a couple scenes. And then there
was that one exception to the scientists people. There was
that one girl who was actually like good and trying
to help out, and then all the other ones were
just idiots or like schmoozers. And I also thought that
was like really fun and against type for the genre too.
I feel like usually the scientists and these type of
movies are very boring. They're very like just matter of fact,
they're like classic nerdy types, and I think it was
fun that they did something a little bit different here
as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wasn't sure what the scientists, because we
had the lady that was a nicer that made the
transler and everything, but then there was like the main
scientist guy that didn't necessarily feel like a bad person,
but kind of felt like he was in like in
the middle, like he's not gonna be the hero, but
he's also not wanting to do some of these things.
But then he's still you know, just spouting off science
in a funny way. So yeah, that's what I like.
Kind Of for the most part, up until the third act,
you don't know where all the characters are, Like even
the camera guy. For a while, I had my suspicions
because he was going so hard on Mark Ruffle. I'm like, okay,
especially when he wanted to be out the battle film,
Like okay, this is when we get like the baby
face turn here. But that's why I like, like, really,
up until the last twenty minutes, there's multiple characters that don't,
you know, show their cards till then, and even if you,
you know, have an idea where they're going, you don't
know for sure because like even the camera guy, he's
played it in like a very parody sort of way
where he could just be over the top camera guy,
right that wants to get a shot.
Speaker 3: Wants to be religious guy.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he was filming, yeah ruffle the whole time.
He had the lip piercing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm calling the camera guy because
he's always in the background like tell him, I'll do this,
and like you're gonna make your speech.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: So that's where it's like I thought, because he was
especially in the second act. Yeah, but I thought he'd
but the same time, you go, Okay, that could just
be the type of character he'd be.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree with you guys to an extent.
I feel like for me, the one like I don't
need like an explanation of everyone's motives throughout the whole film.
It makes it fun not knowing exactly what's going on,
like how you're already highlighted with the scientists, like like
it seems like the Dorothy like that that was her name,
like the like the one chick that was actually somewhat
like respectful to Mickey and like like kind of feeling
bad for it, but like at the end of the day,
like she's still doing the science experiments and like she's
probably not losing sleep over it, like she is a
scientist and she just sees it as experiment that way.
The one that kind of like, I don't know, it
didn't say with me the best was when we have
like the security force just like like be the good guys,
Like at the end, it just seemed like really convenient
and easy for It's like, well, actually we were investigating
them the whole time, and yeah, it just it just
seemed really again like a very Act three sort of thing,
like well, this is how we resolve this, you know,
And it just seemed a little bit rush for me there.
But all the other ones I think I felt fine
with for the most part.
Speaker 4: I could see that being someone's like criticism of this
movie is that it obviously has, as we mentioned, like
all sorts of social commentary on it, and this movie
actually takes a very hopeful spin on it post a
lot of other movies in the genre, even like things
that Bong Jo has done before in a way that
I thought was quite interesting. But yeah, I guess that's
like kind of leads into that too, So I don't know, interesting.
Speaker 2: Will you too?
Speaker 5: Oh, we covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm before you. Goodness me.
Speaker 6: You guys highlight a lot of really good points. I think,
like just having the differentiation between the two Mickeys, their
environments do a great job at kind of not amplifying
but identifying which ones which because you have yeah, you
have the small quiet and like mumbling kind of Mickey seventeen,
and it's those scenarios where he's out on the outside
of the spaceship doing repairs. They're like, Okay, you're gonna
start to feel little bit burning because you're gonna get
radioactively like fried here beyond it. You're gonna die in
about ten minutes. And he's just like, oh okay.
Speaker 3: It's just like oh, we're just rolling with its.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So then you it's just those situations where they don't
they're not gonna tell him he's really gonna die until like, okay,
now he's in a situation where.
Speaker 5: He's gonna die. You got ten minutes. Oh maybe you
got fifteen. Isn't that nice? And so then you have
eighteen that comes along. And I didn't get the sense.
Speaker 6: That eighteen would have been any different to me. It
felt like he would be in those situations where he
died would get copied and that he would just he
would face it.
Speaker 5: He would die and he would get copied.
Speaker 6: But obviously you don't see that because he's trying to
kill seventeen and keep the natural order of things going
on where the no multiples.
Speaker 5: So you also have just the well, you have the
situation of.
Speaker 6: Mickey seventeen being presented with death and self reflecting all
this kind of stuff, and then you have I think
it's just the confinement and the the stupidity of other
people that just really makes eighteen kind of pop. And
again he'll see something on TV of Marshall and just
lose his shit, just wants to go and like executed.
Speaker 5: It should kill that guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, when he's talking about like Stephen Yen about
just the the oxy and whatnot, and then you get,
oh was that it was? This cracked me up because
when you Mickey seventeen had the steak and then that
you the scientist you were talking about Travis Uh, I
feel like he was definitely just a bad guy because
he's like, oh, yeah, I put a some kind of
accelerator thing or something in there, and Mikey's just like Yeah,
Micky's just puking up everywhere, and just that whole dynamic
was really funny and brutal.
Speaker 3: So trying to think they took that steak man that
was like that was less less.
Speaker 5: Flue rare three D printed steak thing.
Speaker 2: Like it's better than when he's getting out.
Speaker 5: There, it'd be more like a think slavering puky like.
Speaker 2: The he's speaking because they put someone in that food.
Speaker 1: They're getting out there, it's like dust particles like he
dropped on the grounds, like gone, it's literally just like
just protein that is, you know, and like I do
get the point what you.
Speaker 2: Said to like him doing that.
Speaker 1: At the same time, he is just a scientist, right,
so anythink in the way that because obviously Bung has
done this with other movies as well, it's the same
way as like does the scientists that do really bad
things the animal that helps all our cultures, that person
a bad person because like near the end, he's not
like joining Marshall or he's not going against the other scientists.
He's like, oh, well, you know, will you do this
or you do that? So it's like I don't there's
never time, Yeah, but there's never time. He did anything
like that was not in the name of science.
Speaker 2: You know, like that team.
Speaker 1: They never were like, oh I did this just because
like I didn't like this, Mickey.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, no, we did this because we want to.
He wanted to.
Speaker 1: It felt like he wanted to try out the pain
killer really because's like, oh, we we've modified this thing
now I can't remember it was like the Purple Joe
or something like that, right, Yeah, And that's so that's
why I think he's trying. I think that's why he
was smart to do that with scientists because like it's
it were in a gray area all the time, right,
because there's so many products that get tested on animals
Mickey in seventeen, this situation is.
Speaker 2: The animals just a person.
Speaker 1: So that's why we could feel more bad because it's
like a living breathing Hey, I can talk. But it's like,
you know, hundreds of people do this every day for
their job. But then they go home and they just like, oh,
well I did this to a pig and I did
this to a monkey, and yeah yeah yeah, but they're
not a bad person, but they might be doing these
things that aren't like kind of unholy. So that's what
I appreciated that there's layers to them, but they never
never got too mustache twirlly like they now they weren't
doing it because like, oh, I love torching Mickey, Like
that's definitely Marshall.
Speaker 3: Guy that they showed right like the earlier scientists. That
was like a fucking Jack the Rip type.
Speaker 2: Of right the restaurant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something that I really liked about that aspect of it,
of like, you know, they're helping humanity, but it's still
like fucking just torturing this man can never die, like
this is like a fate worse than death. Is is
just the fact that it is outlawed, but they're able
to do it because they're in space, and it's just
kind of like international waters in that regard. And of
course you have like the Kenneth Walker speech, it's like
it'll be carefully monitored, it'll be you know, for the
right of humanity. On my voyage to Nipplheim and fuck
just I was laughing anytime that guy speaks. But I
just just the fact that they went through the effort
of at least explain it that way. So it's it
is gray area science, but it's also they're in uncharted territory,
so they kind of get free ring with that. He
also like signed the documents. You know, they asked them
like did you read the whole thing?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, to of course they did, and then the narrator
I probably should have read it.
Speaker 4: But I mean also like the scientists, and as we saw,
like back on Earth, no one is necessarily qualified for
any of the positions they got. Like stevehn Yune's character
learned how to fly like a couple of weeks ago,
and then he got hired as like the pilot for this.
Like people were just doing whatever they could or lying
on their resumes and stuff to get on the ship
in the first place. So I'm sure when the most
of those people even started signed, Like Dorothy, she was
probably a legit scientist, but everyone else they might have
been like random people who just really wanted to get
off Earth and they just lied to get onto that ship.
Speaker 2: And it's not like lie.
Speaker 1: But it's also not like Marshall's opposed to picking people
that aren't the best at their job, right.
Speaker 5: Like job lost the election twice in a row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean as far as like he
is the example of like the people he wants to
leap per se in multip ways like anytime, like the
first speech at the beginning, and obviously you see some highlights,
but when it's on the ship and he's talking out,
they're gonna like take sex away and like all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But then when we when we get to nip Hoime
like the most sex positive country or the world you've
ever imagine sex all the time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I love like every couple of minutes
he like leans in and talks to Tony Khalen and
she like reaffirms them and everything, and yeah, it's completely
it's not a hundred percent, but like it's very much
a Trump, you know interpretation with the hair, the teef.
He even says many like mannerisms like him the Tony
Collette thing. I'm trying to figure out more history wise,
Like it bugged me that I couldn't get there because
that's not like a comparison to those two because that's
not the way Trump's wife acts and that she's very separate.
Speaker 4: So I think Bong just saw her in Knives Out
and was like, I want that role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be it too.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm trying to track where that character
with the Inspirationists. I'll be excited for people to talk
about that later. But no, Ruffalo, as we talked about,
was great. And even then the speech later on when
he's talking about it's like it's not speech is at
the dinner when they have the other for like agent
there or whatever cop and he's still, yeah, gonna make
it the pure all white yeah, harmony country and oh
my goodness, it's just he he just nails that stuff.
Speaker 2: It's kind of scary how good he is at it.
Speaker 4: So how did you guys feel about Kai Is that
girl's name who, like you know, made the tea for
Mickey seventeen and almost kind of got with him. That
was the one character that I felt like a little
unresolved with by the end of it, Like at the
very end in the Yeah, I don't know what the
ceremony when they blow up the machine, she like got
promoted or something like that, but I felt like maybe
an Act three there should have been something else for her,
given that she got like a lot of content earlier
than that. How do you guys feel about that character?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. I it was one where
I think she was being set up and like in
a certain way where she was at the dinner. They
even showed her before that, even just interacting with Mickey.
And I can't remember the lady that perished in the cave,
you know should have been Mickey, but like you know,
was a friend of hers. I it just seemed like
she was going to be a part of the crew
going forward, and then she's just like non exist until
the end. Meeting there and makes me think like maybe
they had a certain idea of what they want to
do with a character and then they just kind of
cut that out. So definitely felt a little bit unresolved.
And I did like her scenes. I like her scenes
with Mickey, like her scenes with Nasha, and I think
just that section of the film, I wanted a little
bit more of it, Like it is a long film.
It's over two in however many hours, but I still
it's over two hours how many I guess, I repray, yeah,
how many minutes?
Speaker 2: Is something like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like I still wanted a little bit more
in that section of the film, Like I wanted more
of Mickey seventeen and eighteen, like interacting like on the
ship like that, or even just maybe more moments of
them interchanging a little bit more. But you know, that's
that's I don't think it would really change too much
of the film, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's for me.
Speaker 1: One of my critiques is it's doing so much that
there's a few things, like even stuff I'd like a
little bit more Steven Jun to do that it just
feels like that care would come in and out at times.
Even then too, it just wasn't because it felt like
almost once they got up on the ship, when.
Speaker 2: Passed, it was narrating.
Speaker 1: I felt like they really had nothing to do with
each other, Like when Steven Young like is talking to
him at the beginning of the movie, it feels like
they don't really know each other. But then we flashed
back to their criminals together, they got here together, they
interact multiple times, so I could never gauge their type
of relationship even then, Like at one point, seventeen refers
him as their good friend. I know he's kind of
like a like a loser, but he's also like completely dumb,
and it's in the moment where like Steven Young has
done multiple bad things, so it was one and more there. Yeah,
what was her name, kay or Kay said it was
the Kai. Yeah, that for me was one where I
don't know, like that you could probably just take it
all out. I don't think it actually served any purpose
even two, when the critter comes out of their whole,
uh what is the Greystone or whatever? Yeah, so when
that comes out and then all this stuff's going on
and she joins the squad and just shooting the s creature,
it felt like they're kind of making her have some
facial features to be like she's she's she has to
pick between the friends and the Marshall squad. It's the
Marshall Squad, and it's like, screw you, guys, and then
she is with everybody. And it was odd because at
the beginning of the movie they were setting up that
Mickey is attracted to her, and I thought that was
gonna go more down because there's a point where she
sits beside him and then Naomi sits down and gives
him this big kiss in front of her kind of
like to so hey, no, like he's my guy.
Speaker 2: And then later on she tries to make the move
and Mickey doesn't do it.
Speaker 1: It was it was that's why I thought, Okay, when
they were having that conversation down at the stairwell. I'm like, oh,
now I get it that maybe seventeen is starting to
grow affection for her, but he doesn't want to break
it off with her or with Naomi.
Speaker 2: But then you got eighteen. So that's where there's just
a couple plot lines.
Speaker 1: Even the one minor thing this might get cleared up
on a rewatch was when they said, like, okay, they
left the planet to get away from the sky. How
is this guy like sending someone up to the ship
to get them? Like did he just get on the ship?
Like has he been there the whole time? Like that
stuffered me, wasn't the so oh shit that was for
the bar torture guys like.
Speaker 6: I don't know, Darius, he would have had to have
been on the ship the whole time because it's over
a four year journey.
Speaker 1: And that's just like feels, oh, they've been on this
journey for four years and now he's collecting Like there's
just a few things that nothing bad, but they pile
up to where it's like okay, like it's spoil, like
it's not a perfect score for me, And that's where
it's okay, maybe i'll rewatch. But there's a few storylines
like hers that I needed.
Speaker 2: A little bit more from. So mm hmm, yeah, what
be you, Taylor.
Speaker 6: I had envisioned going that way with the ending, where Okay,
Mickey seventeen is with Kai and then eighteen is with Nasha,
and I totally would have been okay with that. That's
an ending I would have really loved, because I would
have loved to have had both those Mickeys together. But
I'm still happy with with what we got, even though
I might.
Speaker 5: Maybe prefer I have to sit on it.
Speaker 6: I might prefer that alternative ending because I enjoyed the
friendship between Mickey and Kai. I thought it was really
it was just nice, and I feel like they had
more similarity between then Nasha and Mickey seventeen. Mickey eighteen
and Nasha definitely were more in sync. But then you
get this retrospective flashback where you really see that bond
of how much Nasha really cares about Mickey and she's
the only one that's just there while he's going through,
like just three copies of him are dying from this
fucking parasitic virus that's airborne on this planet while they
developed like a vaccine for it, and that's just it
was really powerful, so I can really see why they
have that connection. And that's where again I find it
really humbling, because Mickey seventeen, even though this other woman
is kind of coming on to him, he's like, no, like,
I just I understand what I have with Nasha, and
I just I care about her, and he just he's
just he's just a good guy.
Speaker 5: He's a really really good guy.
Speaker 6: And he didn't want eighteen like to kill a Marshall
or anything like that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think what I'm.
Speaker 6: Getting at is that I would have been okay with
either either or for those endings, but I prefer the
one where eighteen is still alive because I liked I
liked his relationship as well, with that whole Black Diamond
scene where they're cutting it open and he's giving his speech.
They the aliens that jumped out, the creepers, the suits,
the biohazard suits that the scientists quickly put on, they
looked exactly like what the quarantine guys wore from Monster
z Inc. If you look at the suits, like with
the backpack, it's I couldn't believe it. I was like, man,
these look like the Monster z Inc hasmat Team guys.
Speaker 5: It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Seventeen you didn't in your paperwork? She would fit great?
There she did on the wheel there yeah, ros great. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh and one more thing too, that that scene when
Mickey seventeen he's kissing Nasha and eighteen just starts playing
with his hair.
Speaker 5: Seventeen hair. Oh man, it's so fucking funny just looking
at him like, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, it's so funny. Yeah, I uh you is quickly.
You mentioned Stephen Unen in there. I'm I love Stephen
Union in these types of roles. It's it's it's different
than what his character was a Nope, but like it's
still very like charismatic at times and like little beefish,
little beefish, little beefish.
Speaker 1: Like I think they're kind of similar though, like like
a friendly almost dude. I don't know a time that's
an asshole, right, Like they all are assholes. And it's
it's funny because like he got Poplar off Glenn, who
was like the most nicest character.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, is like I whenever
I think of Stephen June, I think of the first
time I've seeing him, which would have been in Walking Dead,
and he's just so like timid and quiet and like
nice guy. Where is this It's just it's just like,
I don't know, I like to see the him doing
a wider range of a role and just all of
the shots of him just like with this like little
sleazy smile, and he just he very much treats Mickey
as a He's not a good friend of Mickey at all.
You mind if I take this flamethrower. I'm like, dude,
you can kill him right here. You could just end
his misery. But okay, see later, Mickey. Sorry, can't get
down to you. You know, the rope only goes so far.
Just all those moments when he's like, i'll call it
like fake crying at the end. I saw tears, but
it seems like he wiped them away pretty pretty quickly
when he was committing to just chain sawing his friend there.
It's yeah, he's a bit of a sleeze ball, but
I enjoyed the performance nonetheless.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Nashua just like calling out his bullshit there was great.
And then I mean just maybe one of the best
scenes in the movie is just when she calls out
the president guy and the like boiler room thing, that
whole speech is so great, and it was like, really
it was a great move to give that speech to her,
because like for Mickey eighteen, he's too much of a
nihilist to do something like that. Seventeen is too much
of a dufist. So like she was kind of the
perfect character to go for it, and like performance wise,
just absolutely crushed it. And then like has to have
that rope thing in her mouth and then does like
the jumping flying like scargo like Black Widow kick on
Toning all that like just such an amazing character. But yeah,
I love that she just constantly called out the bullshit.
I think that's like back to like the kind of
hopeful turnout to this and even what you were saying earlier, Kirk,
like maybe not loving how like some of these whatever,
like the combat people, like the guards, how they kind
of just had this whole plot all along. And I
think that's kind of just the idea of this movie,
is that like people just got to stand up for
what they believe in and speak out and things like that,
and I feel like they kind of try to tackle
it from a future directions obviously, like the scientists people
as well the guard people, and then like I guess
she was also a guard, but even just more of
the characters that we know. And Mickey, I guess he's
kind of just like he's just like an empathy machine
or he just doesn't know how to vocalize anything properly,
so he just kind of stumbles through stuff. But obviously
he has like a good heart, and so people surround
him in those ways and want to lift him up
and all that. So yeah, I think that's like a
just a recurrent, good, recurring theme. But yeah, like her
performance was so good, so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I liked, Oh god, I forgot my train
of thought. There he said something, then you said something else. Anyway,
anywhere to go?
Speaker 3: I want to know what you were gonna say there.
Speaker 4: That's like a back that one. I'll mention. I'll mention
this that I said in my non spoilers. The funniest
foreshadow I think I've ever seen. I just I love
the C three to bring the baby thing, Like, just
what is this innocuous scene of them looking at this
like really, I don't know if they made that animation,
if that was the company's animation, I couldn't quite tell.
I think it was probably the company's animation.
Speaker 3: Right, or are they just adding like the Genitalia because.
Speaker 4: They weren't sure because I thought the idea was like
to bring the baby. Thing was like from the company
that was like their plan is, Okay, we're gonna get
the planet and then like we want to get babies
out offficiently as possible, so like here's how you do
it kind of thing. But like what is just some
goofy little scene you know, pays off like an hour
and a half later and like the climax of the movie,
which is like the most ridiculous. There's no way they
would have even remembered that conversation or that scene. Three
was that number? It's so ridiculous. But I was just
dying laughing. And I think that is like one of
my favorite callbacks slash foreshadows in a movie so good.
Speaker 3: I think he has movements right when he's like he's
like yeah, he's really trying to sell it.
Speaker 6: I think it's definitely Yeah, that was a really really
good foreshadow, and I think it's fitting for them. I
see it as them just as a couple, because when
Mickey eighteen is walking down the hall, he was even
saying like we'll dude, like I can't remember what the
move the move was, but this certain thing and Mickey
seventeen was like that's me and.
Speaker 5: Hers move or whatever.
Speaker 3: Or something, you know, sound yeah, yeah, nothing, they circle back,
you know.
Speaker 2: I never sa I never thought was ready.
Speaker 1: He'll come back tomorrow. I'm like, oh, I should have
said this, but no. It's interesting with Ruffo's character at
the end there. He's still very funny, but they try.
They tried to get nothing better, but they try to
give him a bit more serious notes.
Speaker 2: I love like the when he got shot.
Speaker 1: He had like the cut there, so one he like
brands one Mickey to say, oh yeah, like I know
which one's which, but it's kind of like a like
a screw you, like I can do this too, collect
like praises them very quickly. Oh yeah, it's such such
a good job. But he has this big speech here
and I'm I'm surprised he went as far out as
he did. Obviously he hit the people around him, egging
him on and everything like that. But they gave him
like a little moment with Mickey eighteen there to like
he's trying to like again, he's somewhat serious, So they
tried to do that a couple of times, but again
I felt like where my point was the beginning with
some of the humor was we'd be back on that
ship and there's all things going on, and some of
the humor maybe didn't work completely for me in that
moment because we're losing eighteen and there's other stuff going on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no interesting, And I want to ask you
us about what do you feel about the dream sequence
that happened?
Speaker 1: Because I was very confused for however long on that
runtime is most confused.
Speaker 2: I was that movie.
Speaker 1: We'll explain why after, but see if any feel the
same way as me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was funny thinking back to Parasite,
which a lot of people don't like that you know,
spoiler for the end of Parasite here, but that it
has a dream sequence thing that's like the ideal scenario,
like in the character's head, like what would be the
perfect scenario? And this is kind of like the opposite
of that, like everything actually is good because this movie
does have a hopeful ending, but like what if they
had actually plotted all along. I think it was really
interesting because it kind of is just like a once
again a commentary on just like you can take out
these people in power. But if you don't, you know,
pure fix the problem completely or like it's not a
big societal shift, then there's like, you know, cut off
one head and then like another head comes right up
kind of thing. And I think that also is like
totally fitting for those characters who constantly belittle expendables as
like being less than people. These aren't real people, but
like then they would somehow find a way to turn
it and be like, oh, but if we did it
for ourselves, we would be like saviors. We'd be like
Jesus coming back again, like that whole kind of thing.
And so to me it was like, yeah, if that
was the actual ending, I don't think I would like it.
But I think it's like really good. It's just like
a insidious thought in the back of Mickey or anyone
else's head that like, Okay, I think we're good, but
like you never really know what these people and like
this power, and like I don't know, maybe they had
another cloning machine hidden somewhere on this ship and even
though we blew up on maybe there's another one and
maybe there is another one in them out there, So
all that kind of stuff. I thought it was quite poignant.
I quite liked it, but yeah, I was very confused
for a couple of minutes there when it was happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was like, is there some big twists
that I missed along the way. I'm trying to do
that whole not that I ever thought he would have done,
like oh this was a whole dream, but something to
that effect of like, okay, the printing machines here they
talked about they destroyed it.
Speaker 2: What's happening? But yeah, I think I like the scene.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the placement of it, but I
like what the scene has going for. But it was
I think that one I need on a second watch
to see how I truly feel about because the firste
was happening, it's like, oh, just a Dream's like, Okay,
didn't really enjoy this where I liked the Paris and
that one didn't bug me where I know lots of
people don't like that moment, so I guess it's just
kind of different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 2: But it was it was an interesting scene nonetheless.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a very weird shift. I was
expecting some weird like we had more of us all
along and the like just a total like almost like
a dark ending because because you know, I looked at
my watch at one point I knew it was nine.
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, we're close to the end here.
Speaker 3: And then that played out, so it I enjoyed the
execution of the scene like it was a well shot.
It was very eerie and creepy. I just think, yeah,
like what you said. I was like, maybe the placement
would have made me like it a little bit more,
but who knows.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole sequence that they did with that, it
was I I did not expect it to be a dream,
and I was taking it at face value, like this is.
Speaker 5: The real deal.
Speaker 6: And I really thought that we were going to get
some horrible hybrid concoction because she she took the tail
of one of the creepers and like made him like
drink the sauce. I thought, so, now is his DNA
going to be mixed with the creeper and it's gonna
be some weird hybrid thing coming back out of this
three D printer, because it's gonna be all fucked up.
Speaker 5: I don't know what I know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, it was just just a dream,
and yeah, just a haunting dream. But I guess it's
like he talks about having nightmares and whatnot, and it's
just one of those one of those nightmares.
Speaker 5: It definitely pulls you out of the where we're kind
of I guess going and concluding with the story. But
that's fine.
Speaker 6: It's it's not a huge like negation towards the film
or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I wanted to mention something you mentioned there earlier, Travis,
with when the president gets shot at and then he
has like the scar on his cheek. I'm wondering about
like the timing of when this was filmed, because like that,
to me, I thought we were gonna go into like
a Trump comparison thing of when he got shot and
like it hit his ear, didn't hit his ear. But
then that kind of, you know, in some way probably
was in his favor for him getting reelected. And that's
like not really what the turn was in this movie.
It wasn't like, oh, I'm like a hero, I'm a savior.
I went through this traumatic thing and that turned in
people liking him. That's not really what happens here. So
that's something I wondered if like it's probably just coincidence
when they're filming or writing this movie and then that
happened in real life, right because the time it doesn't
quite line up, but it was I wondered if that
was where we were gonna go, But ultimately no.
Speaker 1: Especially as I guess there could be reshoots. But I
remember this movie was supposed to be out last.
Speaker 4: Year, and I know I was thinking about the reshoots
about that scene. I was like, ooh, is that something
that I would have redone because it could be quite poignant.
Speaker 1: But even the stuff where at one point when they're
talking about like the people having the power and they're
throwing up their fists with the ones and everything like that.
With our culture, a certain figures throwing up the you know,
the salute of a.
Speaker 2: Old bad age.
Speaker 1: So I think it's just one of these life funnily
entertaining or not entertaining, my God imitating imitating life, uh situation.
And it's yeah, it's I feel like with that some
of the things that happened with the election. Maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe they're got together really quickly shot some stuff. I
think they just got some fun dumb luck or just
kind of I don't know, kind of prediction.
Speaker 4: Like so many scenes he like has the thing on
his face. I guess you could see gi the scar,
but like, yeah, I feel like it would be a
lot of work to like change that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and I think maybe it's just a look
at how these thcenes kind of cycle, right, there's always
a there's always an idea of like, oh, well, you
defeat the evil and you know, we're gonna grow up.
And like how I felt like when Obama got elected
is like, Okay, you're gonna start seeing every racist person
ever go away. You're gonna go on this way, this way,
and it's like, yeah, every couple of years, every decade,
something bad happens again and.
Speaker 2: Just kind of resets.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's maybe how they got to
this dumb luck stuff of like highlighting not just Trump,
but there's other characters they highlight that are of bad
ilk from the past, but they just kind of still
find a way back. So it's like, as much as
you do want to be hopeful, you kind of have
to be hopeful because there's you were never just gonna
be unfortunately in a world of just good guys.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: There's no like end point where it's like, oh, everyone
starts having kids because there's always gonna be some fucking
asshole or some really rich terrible person or just poor
terrible person that it's like, you know, look at the
guy's making multiples, just go around murdering homeless people for reason,
you know which. I really liked that backstory of because
we said multiples and he was so dramatics, Like, okay,
I also I understand why that's a big deal, right,
probably don't want two of you.
Speaker 2: But when there was a literal law.
Speaker 1: And controversy like about that, I liked everything to the
reveal of I can't remember that guy's name, but like
number three, that was a very well done and I
enjoyed that sequence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we get Terra, that's when we'll have our
perfect society, right.
Speaker 2: Terra, I forget.
Speaker 1: Class Like yeah, yeah, we check back up on that
in the eleventh year see All Buildings Go A.
Speaker 3: I was gonna go in a cloning direction here, so big,
big aspects obviously all about the cloning, and I really
like just the whole details around it. It's just like
a really interesting machine. I feel like they explained it
in a a wide enough blanket where it's like, Okay,
they're not getting into like the science of how this
actually works, but they're saying a lot of things.
Speaker 5: You know that we got a.
Speaker 3: Lot of ingredients that yeah, I believe that we can
just get a human at out of this, you know,
throwing some science magic, and that's just the reality of
how it works. They got this like funky looking brick
thing that's like a big hard drive, just cool designs
all around it. And then yeah, I already was mentioning
the multiples there and just how big of a thing
that was. And because of that quick backstory, like you
realize the severity I think of the situation between eighteen
and seventeen and how they do have to keep it secret,
and I think because that was explained, and then we
have them both on the station, that's when I'm like, oh,
this is gonna be a really fun aspect of the
movie now, but it is just short and sweet when
that when they're they're like, I don't know, I'm not
gonna say operating, but like just living on the ship.
At the same time, because right after like the bedroom scene,
that's when we go into the assassination that eighteen tries
to pull out so it just I feel like it
ramps up a little bit too quick there. It's it's
going back to what I was saying earlier. I just
maybe wanted a little bit more in there, because it
just was an interesting idea. And then the whole thing
with like the love triangle of like the cloning was
just like an interesting thought experiment. It's like, well, you know,
anyone's gonna cheat on your significant other a clone of yourself.
I guess that's that's not that bad. But then when
you're looking at it from the seventeenth.
Speaker 5: Perspective, you know, all, yeah, exactly, I got I got many.
Speaker 3: Myself though, so so you know, it's it's it's an
interesting thing where it's like it wouldn't be that bad,
but when you're seeing it, it's like, fuck, that's horrible.
That's my position, you know, like, well, like I should
be that person in that in those shoes.
Speaker 2: And even seventeen says that when he has.
Speaker 1: Him over, like the heating bear whatever, he's gonna melt
him right, And he's like, oh, well, you were gonna
die anyway. Why do you have a problem dying now?
And he says, like before, when I died, it was
like a piece of me was going on and continuing,
but now there's like a splinter because the new experiences,
the memories I've had now are gonna die with me
in this fire. So it's almost like you're playing an
old video games save five where it's like, all right,
I'll go.
Speaker 2: Back and play like the one you had is corrupted.
Speaker 1: It's okay, you don't want you, but it's never gonna
be exactly the same if it's like an RPG or something, right,
and that's Mickey's But for Mickey, it's not just a
video game. It's his fucking life. But let's take when
we're at break before we have more thoughts and final
thoughts and more thoughts. We'll bear back and we're back.
Speaker 3: Last thing I wanted to say to close up my
thoughts there is I also just liked how we had
the highlight of like specifically around the murders, but then
you have like the interviews and the council about people
like just talking about the idea of multiples and it's
like there's one soul for one person, and then they
like they go through of like even philosophers, we're having
a hard time like explaining how this works or scientists.
They just have all these different parties and yeah, they
don't like the whole movie isn't about explaining that. It's
just like, yeah, we we don't know how to explain it,
and this is just how it works. So we just
banned it overall. So because overall, I just liked how
they explain the whole cloning thing.
Speaker 1: Because that's not explained in our world, right, there's people
that believe we're a soul.
Speaker 2: When you die, you go there, you go here, blah blah.
Then there's really just that you die and you decompose.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no we can't talk to the people
that have died to be like, hey, we got a message.
There is a Jesus, there is a God, there is
a devil, or like we don't have that to our dead.
We're not gonna know till our eyes closed and it's
like oh, or they just close and it's gone. So
it's like, I think that's smart to sometimes not answer
those grander world questions, you know, fucking minutichlorians when it's
like we can't you know, like we like, oh, why do.
Speaker 2: You believe in God so much?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Well, my blood's really strong it believes in God. No, no, no,
that shouldn't be what it should be. So that's why
I like that method of Okay, here's the cards, here's
where I lay.
Speaker 2: You just don't get to flip them, you know.
Speaker 5: Hm.
Speaker 4: Another thing I really enjoyed is pretty simple, but just
like you know, with the traumatic backs story for Mickey
in a large reason of why he is the way
he is is because as a kid, he hit this
button in the car and that led to what he
believes is like his mom crashing and then dying because
of it. And I feel like it seems like maybe
after like his life would have gone a completely different
direction to split like seventeen and eighteen in terms of
how his life would have gone if that moment didn't happen.
And I feel like, because that he's gone through his
life without really making decisions because he doesn't want to
make another decision like that again, so he just bumbles
through things, even bumbling through sign up to be inexpendable,
one of the worst things anyone could do. And so
I think it is a nice cathartic moment that at
the end of the movie, like you kind of get
the two moments Mickey eighteen makes the he presses the
button to sacrifice himself for the greater good and solve
that whole problem. And then seventeen gets the cathartic moment
to hit the button to destroy the cloning thing so
he can now just continue his life in a normal way.
And he still has guilt about that because he's just
such an empathetic character. But I really like that very
simple imagery of like the idea of taking making a choice,
just like with literally just clicking a button. Is it
really just a nice, simplified, boiled down version of like
that big sort of idea. So I really like the
visual of that.
Speaker 1: And I have to wait for a rewatch or for
other people's theories because I didn't. I if there's something there,
I'm not smart enough to catch it. But the scientist
that gets them set up for the program, his hair
is identical to his mom, and they do a shot
when he's walking behind her. There's a shot just behind
her head. She has the ginger hair auburn hair. And
then while he's talking like, oh, when I was a kid,
and it switches and it's a.
Speaker 2: Woman with auburn hair holding him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just to just to get
because he talks about how he likes or smell and
trust or everything like that. I don't know if it's
just as simple as that as something like the hair
is setting them off be like Okay, I can trust
this woman's gonna call my body. But I imagine there's probably
more of bong than I haven't just figured out yet.
But they have their hairs, and that's where that was
messing with me at the beginning, and I'm like, hey,
why does this woman the scientist is his mom had
the same hair, specially because didn' show the mom's face.
That's where I was for a while, like, oh fuck,
is there something more sinislar here? Nothing at all happened there,
but they definitely did play around that hair.
Speaker 2: And I don't know the philanswer yet, so I just.
Speaker 3: Took it as like that's what triggered the nostalgic memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could be just that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like such a gut shot where he has
his memory that's it's like refreshed with with whatever they
give him to like just so it's like that fresh,
like as if his mom just dies.
Speaker 5: So obviously he's like broken.
Speaker 3: He's he's in tears, and then the character that triggered
those memories like walks in with a gun.
Speaker 5: Is like, no, shoot yourself on the head. It's just
like holy fuck, Like yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think what else I got for notes?
I guess one one quick note. I I really enjoyed
the sequence when Mick, Mickey and Timo are just like
in the streets and then they you know, kind of
getting caught by these groups. One just the visual of that,
like the gangster guy like walking throwing the thing that
like rolls down the hill and shocks them was cool.
But then just like cool being in the bar and
you have like the old creepy guy who runs this
thing just eating his meal whilst the other guy's like
just dump an exposition. There's people just getting torture and
they're stealing shoes off these bodies. It was just, once again,
so absurd and like could have been a boring backstory
scene is in instead this like very stylish sequence. So yeah,
just every like I feel like every scene was there's
so much care and like also budget put into it,
and I really appreciated that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love those whatever roller weapons were that they
were just track them down, shock them.
Speaker 2: Cool stuff.
Speaker 4: Mhm.
Speaker 3: I really like the creature designs. I shouted out earlier
with the comparison Osco Value the Winds. Everybody go watch
some studio guilty movies. Choose any of them. They're phenomenal.
But yeah, I just the way that they're able. I
haven't seen oakshow, I imagine it's the same, where like
he's just able to make this creepy alien looking thing
just just just I feel remorse for it, and I
just feel so sad when it's like getting tortured and
pricked and like on the fish hook, going down on
the cinerator. And I didn't realize that they had eyes
too until like later on in the film. I'm like,
oh my god, like you can actually like look right
into them. And then of course when they do the
head explosion thing, it's explained it was just kind of
a bluff, but fuck, it was sure convincing when they're
all doing it in unison and just just really cool. Yeah,
designs of the character. Again, I'm one hundred percent convinced
it was strongly inspired by Nausica Valley the Winds, And
we keep shouting out that, we keep shouting out that.
Speaker 1: Well, we listen to this podcasts review, this guy brought
up highlighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like, fuck, we did a side by side. Yeah,
and then Bong was bankrupt. Never makes a movie ever again.
Speaker 3: I hope he remembers me for that.
Speaker 2: But we'll go with Jollikeeper Studios.
Speaker 3: We'll have to compete with sub so be the guy
in the chair. But I I also just like their
like strategic there's like strategic diversion, I guess where they
just all surround like the main one and they're just
making these like little cyclones. And it's also just comedic
when you have fucking Mark Ruffalo's character, like it's that one?
Speaker 5: Is that one? Shoot that one?
Speaker 3: Then it just like dissipates, like no, you idiot, that's
not the that's not the one. Oh just yeah. Kenneth
Walker whatever his name was, Mark Ruffalo was just fant hat.
I feel like eighty plus percent of all of his scenes,
I just kept chuckling and laughing and like the faked
teeth they gave them the tan.
Speaker 5: Everything was just boba fat luck. He was came to
my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it wants to be the die for niffle him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought all that was really good. It was
smart to once again, everything in this movie has some
social commentary angle to it, but like whether it's just
racism or like colonialism, but like using straight up like
these what are you know if you read a book
by its covered like just a very nasty looking bug thing,
you kind of make a lot of assumptions about what
it is. But instead to approach the situation from empathy,
which of course Mickey does naturally, and then he kind
of have to like relay that information to everyone else.
And then obviously when you actually get the translatter, which
I love how quickly they make the translator, like they
make it in like twenty minutes, it feels like, yeah,
which is insane. But Dorothy, you know, pretty good scientists
and all that. So no, I think that was all
really smart, and I yeah, I'm surprised how much screen
time those bugs got considered. At the start of the movie,
I thought it just like, oh, this is just gonna
be one of the many funny deaths that Mickey gets.
But instead it's like a huge plot point, big care
and like they actually have names and characters and all
this stuff around them. So yeah, definitely a big surprise
and yeah, I think the CGI looked great the whole
way through. There was never a point when I was
like taken out of it somehow. It was still like
grounded and realistic, even though it was clearly absurd, especially
when you're yeah, they're doing the cyclone stuff that you
were mentioning there. I didn't know if they were both
like if there were summony like a giant one. I
thought that's what was about to happen, like a like
a dune sand warm situation.
Speaker 3: I was also getting major plague tail vibes Dylan, just
like the swarms of them, especially when they're making like
the big like, yeah, cyclones from azumdo they do kind
of look like rats, So yeah, they have the tails.
Speaker 4: So it makes sense.
Speaker 6: During the Dinner sequel, it's there when they're basically like
presenting Kai with this new opportunity for her career. On Neflin,
I found I don't need a lot more backstory, even
though I'm interested in it, because I think it's just
maybe in some other context they could highlight, but in
this movie, I think it was just the right amount.
But anyways, he was talking about what he wants the
planet to be, and I said that Marshall was talking
about what the planet is going to be, it's in
his future. I'm pretty sure he highlighted what a few
other colony planets were doing and what they were up to,
and just how he was kind of like shitting on
them and their their way of life. And for me,
it gave me a brief kind of vibe like this
feels like a fallout scenario where everyone's just picking a planet,
going to it and just doing their own type of
colonization society kind of thing. And it's like an experiment, right,
They're all doing their own different things, and I like
that concept. I think it's kind of cool because, like, hypothetically,
I'm just headcanoning this. You have this colony set up
on Neflaheim and what like two hundred years down the road,
they turn into this cult like fanatical Areyan society, and
like you could just go to war against the regular
humanity and Earth.
Speaker 5: It's like a space war in a future.
Speaker 6: It's just I just headcann in cool different scenarios, just
based on the fact that you have humans just breaking off,
abandoning their predecesssing society and just starting new. It's just
that's total fucking care.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's taking up here.
Speaker 4: I love that. It just totally fits with like the guy,
you know, the President character who picks this planet which
is like seemingly snowy everywhere and like I don't know
how you're gonna grow crops well, but like also the
atmosphere just like kills you on contact, and like obviously
they have the Mickey pro the Expendable program and all over.
It's like like they have the tech to go there,
they have the tech to clone people, but they don't
have the like africing telescope and stuff to like determine
if this planet is habitable before they go there in
the first place. Is just like shows once again the
level of inconfidence they're like, we're we're at right now.
It's human kind. We've like determined some habitable planets. They're
just you know, too far away to really be conceivable.
But like the fact that they just go to this
hellscape is hilarious.
Speaker 3: I'm picking Jupiter, you know, that's where we're going for
my planet?
Speaker 2: Is that approven one that we could live on?
Speaker 3: That's absolutely not No.
Speaker 5: I think it's the moons, Jupiter's moons.
Speaker 3: I think it's Titan. I think it's the moon Tan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the moons are.
Speaker 2: Dyl just said that.
Speaker 1: I got that excited because I've not followed any of
that once once they kicked Pluto as a planet for
a while, like, oh, I'm done with all the Nassave people.
Speaker 4: You know, I know none of them are anywhere close,
So don't get too excited.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we're not making it.
Speaker 2: To them realistic.
Speaker 1: At some point they have like, you know, one hundred
years from now, there's gonna be some rockets, some new
auction tanks.
Speaker 5: They can get us there, right, you get that.
Speaker 6: You want to go too, You have like a personal
offense that Pluto is no longer a planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I likes Pluto. They want to go to Pluto.
Speaker 5: But this is still exists.
Speaker 4: You can still like it.
Speaker 6: You see did you see the high rist photos of
it with the Yeah, let's let's bread and butter.
Speaker 3: Let's like twelve years ago, circle back where you got that.
Speaker 5: I'm curious what.
Speaker 2: We're talking about planets. I can be a whole hour.
Speaker 1: I'm down and to have that conversation without moving the planets,
which plans we go to stuff like that, That sounds
a great bread and butter I'll start off by great time,
great movie Bong does again. I'm excited to see what
he does next. This is probably gonna be the biggest
budget as for a while because you know, I think
this movie will do relatively well.
Speaker 2: But it is a it's a weirder movie I could
pitch just to everybody, right, it's not.
Speaker 1: So weird where I don't think it's like, you know,
speaking of Mark ruffle like a poor things where I
go like, oh, I know multiple people that this isn't
for you.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that.
Speaker 1: I think there's just there's different type of concepts that
might not be up people's tree. But you know, I
think he does a great job. And I think he
said he's trying to do some like horror movie about
a killer on a subway or something. So I don't know,
I will.
Speaker 4: Be one of the clones from movie Who's program.
Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil it.
Speaker 3: I get Mark Ruffalo in there, I don't care who
else is in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, now and like kind of waiting, I
got to officially go back and start taking off the
movies he's done in the past that are all four
because I've heard great things about many other ones. But yeah,
I'm a eight point seventy five here, couldn't quite get
it to nine just because, like I said, mostly back
half stuff. I have some questions, but just the pacing
felt just a little bit off. Maybe I will feel
differently about it as we go along, but I imagine,
who knows, we could see, but I imagine come next
January February, we'll be talking about this movie again in
multiple Golden Geeks categories. You know, Ruffalo, he didn't win
for poor Things, but maybe uh maybe you can pull
it out this time, you know, because he's great and
uh yeah, I'm very excited to see all these actors,
what they do, what Bong does. So yeah, eight points the.
Speaker 4: Five for me, I am gonna give this a seventeen
out of seventeen. Nice, perfect score, Nice great love it.
Speaker 3: Here you go next.
Speaker 5: I am thinking I'm gonna give this.
Speaker 6: The only con I really have is just the longevity
of just that third act, and just because that really
pulled me out a little bit.
Speaker 1: But don't worry, just like ron Less when we get
the Golden Geeks. Oh now I've visited great third act,
you know, well.
Speaker 5: Romulus was just that's different.
Speaker 6: Because of the little alien thing going on there.
Speaker 5: This this I really really really like this movie.
Speaker 6: I think it's fun. I like that we got the
creepers their intelligence and just the co habitual kind of
relationship post the build up to the war and all that,
and just so much going on with this movie that
I was not expecting. And I'm I'm yeah, just it
was a good time. It was a humble story, It
was a great narrative, and it was just mixed with
dark humor, dark comedy that just just works in a
in a innocent kind of light.
Speaker 5: And I think that this movie.
Speaker 6: Will, Yeah, it'll definitely leave a very strong mark on
the film industry. And I hope that other directors can
get kind of inspired by this, and other story writers
can kind of see this and think of ways to
do more original content like this, because yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just it's that I think I think they they want.
Speaker 1: The problem is many people can't go and win three
Oscars and then they're like, yeah, here's a blank check,
like you gotta you gotta get should.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not that easy.
Speaker 5: Three oscars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, creative, original, creative doing dumb stupid ideas.
Speaker 2: I p ideas only original.
Speaker 4: Only good ideas.
Speaker 3: You know, H did rop a number, Taylor.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say nine point five.
Speaker 3: Okay, damn, I should have let you go last. I'm
gonna give it a nine out of ten. I really
really love the movie. Second rewatch, I might not feel
so deterred by someone like cons in there. It's just, yeah,
fresh off the first watch, there's there's a certain certain
things that were that were I don't know hinted at
with certain characters, like the Kai character. I just want
a little bit more on I already highlighted one of one.
Just more seventeen and eighteen mess around on the ship.
I'll you know, we got the snow Piercer show. I'll
take the Mickey seventeen show, which is more of those
two buddy copping it up or whatever the hell they're
doing problems.
Speaker 2: You're not getting Patterson, you're getting.
Speaker 3: Some other Yeah, definitely not. I think it's it's a
lot lesser when you don't have someone to the quality
of Pattinson. But there's there's some great actors.
Speaker 1: And I'll love Taylor, dude. I'll take Mickey seventeen. Can
play both.
Speaker 3: Cage es like sort of avenue yea love the movie.
It was great.
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go, that's it. Awesome. We got lots
of stuff.
Speaker 1: We're always doing talking trailers, movie news on the newscast, whatnot.
But our next big review from movie Wise isn't until
April eighteenth for Sinners, and Tam will be there for
that one. But that's the next. But yeah, we don't
have much summer. We're gonna be back summer. It's like
every fucking week we're there. But as of right now
then is it for that? Thank you very much for
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Speaker 3: See you