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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the five hundred

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and fifty fourth episode of the Geek Friss podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm traveled seventeen trust Now I'm joined.

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Speaker 3: By I'm Always Ready for a prayer for Clem patzer

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Speaker 4: The hab Anaro Dilmus.

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Speaker 5: I am the sauce to s taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Lisia, and we have a very I guess I

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could say anticipated I feel like it's like a It's

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like a grown anticipated right because when we ah fuck

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I fucked up. I forgot to re release I forgot

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to re release the Parasite retro. I just realized that

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because it's like a couple of years ago we reviewed Parasite,

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not when it came out, but after the fact me

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and Dylan had seen him at these two ba's.

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Speaker 2: I mean like we had seen it and like, oh

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we like that. And then at one point we did

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snow Piercer as well. That came up.

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Speaker 1: So it's been like a slow incline for bunging Hole's

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work as far as getting on the Geek for his radar,

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and then I think also passed in whether it's Twilight,

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Harry Potter, other stuff's been on their life. But you know,

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The Batman came out second biggest episode all time for

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Geek Friss, So all these.

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Speaker 2: Things have been assembling at and now we're here.

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Speaker 1: It made our most anticipated movie. It didn't win we

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I think I remember who. I think I thought everyone

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but Taylor voted for.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: I think the patrons they picked something else. I think

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we lost out on the Mickey seventeen vote. But I

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know many of us are anticipate and know many listeners

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anticipating it, So we're gonna get right into it. Dyl

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Muss austly as usual, non spoils. So if people are

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wondering if they should check it out, or maybe they

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don't have time to, you know, get to it in

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the theaters, whatever it may be. Give us your overall

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thoughts of Mickey seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely love this movie. This is my favorite movie

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I've watched in a long time. I absolutely love this thing.

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I had such a great time with it. There's so

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many ways, and it kind of surprised me a lot,

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you know, from the trailers. I don't think I really

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knew what to expect from this movie other than like

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Pattison's getting cloned and he's getting killed, and like, that's

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kind of it. But there's so much more to this

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movie than that, I think right off the bat, like,

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I really love the way sci fi is used in

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this because it is there is some like larger fantastical

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sci fi things that are happening, but it is very

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grounded at the same time. It actually reminding me a

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lot of my favorite author right now, Becky Chambers. I

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read like every one of her books last year, and

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she does a lot of space things, and the most

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recent book of hers I read is called to Be

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Taught If Fortunate, and in that there's like people going

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to like a snowy planet to colonize it, and there's

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a lot of like similarities to what's happening in this movie.

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So I just felt like it was taking some of

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those things and kind of bringing it to life the

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book that I read last year. So really love the

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sci fi in this because it's it's grounded, but then

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still like is pretty crazy and zanying over the top

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at times. I think it finds a nice balance there,

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and I feel like the whole movie is kind of

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like that, where there is tons of serious, like big

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topics as bunkery hosts. There's a ton of you know,

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big social commentary stuff, and I feel like in this

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the he's almost throwing in like everything you could possibly

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have in terms of social commentary, And honestly, I don't

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know if any of it's a super nuanced take, but

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there's just a lot in there, and there's a lot

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to reflect on, and it's fun looking back at like

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comparisons to or snow Piercer. There's a lot of comparisons

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there in terms of obviously themes that he likes to

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visit or talk about with his work that kind of

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happens either in the background or is like the core plot.

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So all that stuff's really good, but it balances that,

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you know, intense societal stuff with just like, this is

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the funniest movie I've seen in a long time. It

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was cracking me up the whole way through. This movie.

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I think has like these single funniest foreshadow I've ever

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seen in any movie ever, or callback, I don't know,

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it's one of the two. I mean, they're kind of

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the two sides of the same coin. So I'm excited

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to break down some of those things. And then just

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like the acting is great. I think what surprised me

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is obviously Pattison playing all these different characters versions of himself.

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Speaker 5: It is great.

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Speaker 4: He does you know, different little versions of it, which

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is great. But then I was surprised at how much

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I like just the whole cast, whether it's like a

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smaller character like Stephen Yunan's character, who's not you know,

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he's got like plot stuff going on, but I just

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love everything he's doing in here. Everyone is like perfectly

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cast for their role they're in. Uh And yeah, I

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just I just had an absolutely grand old time with

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this movie. I loved it from starting to finish, and

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go to the theater right now and watch it. That

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is my recommendation for everyone listening.

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Speaker 2: Love here you go everyone, mister Pats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was really excited about this one.

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A big fan of just the previous works of the director.

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I've just I feel like they're very unique and like

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impressive original films that just have a lot more than

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than just sometimes a funny story. Sometimes you know, it's

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a lot deeper than that. It just seems like there's

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so much in these films. So I think I had

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like to expect that, but I really did not prep

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myself for what I was getting into here. In the

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most positive sense possible, I was, you know, fortunate Shake

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came with me on this one. I really had no

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idea how she was kinna feel. She watched Parasite with me.

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liked Robert Patterson, and I didn't show the trailer at all,

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so she went in very blind and she had fantastic

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time with it. She was laughing her butt off, and yeah,

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this is a very funny movie, way funnier than I

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Speaker 5: But there's also just a lot of good.

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Speaker 3: Juice in there pun not intended, but there's also juste

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in there. Yes, sauce. Yeah, I know. I truly truly

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had a fantastic time with this movie. It's definitely not

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a perfect movie. I think I do have some grievances

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with certain things that happened, but I think my overall

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love for it just is able to kind of it's

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will maybe hinder my score overall by the time we

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get to the end, just when we unpack some of

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those things. But Pattinson, man, he's just he is so

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fantastic in this movie. I remember like his voice from

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the trailers, and I think I had that in back

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in my mind, but once I heard it, like right

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away at the start of the film, I'm like, oh, right,

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this is like a very different type of voice that

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specifically around certain creatures in it, are like heavily inspired

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by a Studio Ghivli film called NAUSICAA in the Valley

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of the Wind, which I highly recommend. It's the nineteen

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eighty four film, and it actually is like eerily similar

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it's like the design is the exact same. So it

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was hard for me to look past that. But I

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love that film so much, and I think that they're

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able to not just copy the same thing, but like

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use that and then tell his own story. In this movie.

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because I love that movie. And yeah, no, this was

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a really really fun time and highly highly recommended to

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go see this in theaters as well. And this was

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like pretty busy in my theater, which I was kind

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of surprised about.

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Speaker 5: Early in the week.

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which I guess there's not a lot a lot of

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stuff out, but I just kind of assumed it was

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going to be a little bit more of a niche film.

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theater and pretty loud, like people are we we're having

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a good time with it. They're they're they're giggling at.

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Speaker 5: Certain characters in here.

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Speaker 3: Mark Ruffalo is just like in this certain era of

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acting right now that I'm just loving. Yeah, yeah, exactly

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very much reminded me of that, And I loved.

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Speaker 1: He's going to plead for them to kill him off

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in Secret Wars and just keep doing these type of

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roles because like I think he's having an like we

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know what we can do.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the power.

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Speaker 1: It's like you for a season two of them day

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Speaker 2: You can do. Like it's just yeah, ruffles having a

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great time, I imagine.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I really like Tony Collette too and in this role.

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Speaker 2: It's Field.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you guys land on some pretty solid points,

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It's it's a dang good movie. I had a lot

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of fun with it. It was really really enjoyable, and

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it was not something I was expecting. I think I

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was kind of going in with one kind of linear narrative,

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they have a baseline of that, but then they have

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so much more layered on top and so many other

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things that are just unfolding and the storyline and it's

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just got a really humbling foundation to it, and I

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felt like you really get attached to the to Mickey,

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you get to be really connected with this story that's

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unfolding with him and I really like that. It was

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just a really nice, wholesome, point A to point B

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Speaker 5: My only was I feel like we got.

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that was the first time it kind of pulled me

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feel like, okay, things that started to simmer down and

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wrap up, and then it just felt like, oh, we're

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still going in an extended part. And I can't remember

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what that movie was called, Chris Pratt did. It was

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm not saying it's exactly like that bad,

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but it just felt like you get to this point

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of the movie and it's like, oh, this feels like

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there's there's more going.

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Speaker 5: On now, and it's like, okay.

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Speaker 6: That that is worse though in a sense, but that

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feeling was residually residing here slightly for me. But again,

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oh yeah, I still enjoy this movie. I think it's

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a lot of fun. And I reiterate what you guys say,

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go see it in the theaters because there's it's a

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sci fi movie, and I think sci fi movies deserve

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to be seen on the big screen because there's a

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lot of really cool effects, the visuals. The great in

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this was like the Aliens of the Spaceships, all that

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kind of stuff. It's just it's a lot of fun,

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and the humor really worked for me. Like you mentioned there,

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Mark Ruffalo, Holy smokes. I'm sure we obviously discussed who

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my mind. And so when he just popped in and

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his character, I was dying laughing at all the crazy

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shit he was just doing, just things in his mannerisms

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in the background, Like, oh, I was just I was

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laughing my head off just with him.

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because it feels very detailed in this world that they created,

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even though it's very small. I imagine like even the

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most of this movie is really not spoiling it on

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a spaceship, but I just feel like there's so much.

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and it's it's just it's really really cool, really really

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refreshing and rejuvenating to see something like this in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think like the rumor was Mark

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they had a good time. So but that's when we're like,

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watch it? Probably because Mark Ruffalo is great. So it

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all depends on the casting, right, But uh yeah, and

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what these guys said, Yeah, definitely go out and see it.

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will always make this point where you'll hear anybody, your

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friend's family, coworkers.

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see them. So this is as original as it gets.

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spam with we and maybe that's a good conversation. Maybe

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that's a Brendan Barter talk about like what are the

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for just original concept and done very well. There's lots

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of great concepts out there. But then we've been like, oh,

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you know, like to wor War, you know, stuff like that.

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watch it. Yeah, the same thing as these guys. I

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hate to act with them. I really, really enjoyed it

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as well. I think everybody's like like past, everyon gets

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is like shine at different moments. It is Passing's movie,

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and he shines for the most part. But like Ruffalo

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and collect, they're fantastic. Naomi Aki, who like I really

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and this one comes down and directing and scriptwriting her

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whatever character she was in episode nine, never thought of

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her ever again after I saw that movie. But between

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the Nash yeah, Aki right, I think I'm saying right,

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Speaker 2: I hope I don't saying a wrong actress name. I

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think that's her.

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Speaker 1: But between that, this and Blink twice last year, she's fantastic,

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stuff like, oh my hype level has gone up and

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uh everyone comes to play here some great visuals.

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Speaker 2: It is like even what Tia said, yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Smaller set, but that's why this movie still costs one

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to eighty because it feels real and that's what's nice.

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it's like they do their best.

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Speaker 2: Naomi Aki Okay, what did I say? Don't get right?

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Speaker 3: I think you said that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sure, but anyways, I only great job. Can't wait

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to see any more stuff. But yeah, like even that stuff,

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it's like, oh, we see so many see things in

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primarily the stuff we review. That one you get a

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numb and then it's like, okay, there's levels of bad

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so oftoenly there's always gonna be kind like a silicon

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value of it. Okay, that's not real. He's moving this

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thing that's not real. But it's pretty dang good, especially

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from the stuff we get nowadays. I'm not gonna say

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slop and lots of it's because studios rush these effects.

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that they don't get the time nor the money, right.

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So that's something that's nice here where it's not a franchise.

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It's not a hey bong, you gotta get this out

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before you know the chapter eight comes out like no, no,

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you just put it out. Lots of social commentary.

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Speaker 2: It's something.

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Speaker 1: It's funny when we were talking about Daredevil earlier this week.

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It's something if you don't really like anything political, or

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if you're kind of tired of politics. This is like everything,

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every major issue that's happened in the last five to

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six six years is in this movie. I think they

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do a very good job of At times it's almost

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parody level in a good way. Sometimes I say that

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as a bad way. No, this is where it's done well.

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So I think for the most part, that's all working

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well until I'm kind of somehow surprisedly with Taylor. The

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third act for me is a little long, could tighten up,

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and I think they didn't have the best They didn't

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walk the type bounce the best because I feel like

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the rest of the movie tight rope, not type bounce

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the tight rope the best because the act one act too,

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I feel like the parody in comedy and the drama

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work together very very well, where I think in the

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third act they kind of clash at sometimes because I

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feel like they're trying to get very serious on some things.

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Speaker 2: Working for me.

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Speaker 1: Nothing ever reaches like the bad or like it took

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it down a bunch of scores.

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Speaker 2: It's just that was for me. As I think the

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pacing ending was really good, and.

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Speaker 1: Then the third act kind of felt like not a

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screeching hole, but it just felt like, oh, I'm I

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realize I'm watching a movie now with the first act

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and second act, I'm just in for the adventure. But yeah, Pattison, man,

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how far this guy has come to just being cedric

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degree and we already talk with the batman. But it's

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just kind of funny, Like, wouldn't have thought that. Edward

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calling like one of my favorite actors working a day and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great job. Bong is always just making great stuff.

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Speaker 1: As far the things I've seen to think, I would

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rank it fourth because I've never fully seen one of

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his Korean films.

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Speaker 2: There's one I seen and I can't remember. It's about

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like a monster. I have to finish it.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, there's one that's just I guess that

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isn't Crean. Sorry that one's on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: This is easy.

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Speaker 1: This is like from the nineties or something that I

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was watching and then it went away on the streaming

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service and like, oh, I never finished it. But yeah,

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I think Parasite's like a god tier movie, and I

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think snow Piers are like a little bit better. But

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this is definitely when I will rewatch in the future.

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movie and I'm excited to break it down.

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Speaker 2: So is there anything nonspories we want to say?

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Speaker 4: Soundtracks fantastic. I think it could have been just like

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classic sci fi for this, but I think it's much

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more playful. Once again, it's like the balance between tones

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that this movie is. It like the serious and then

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like the playful. So I really really dug the soundtrack.

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I feel like it's used kind of sparingly, but I

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noticed it in several moments that it really stood out

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and just kind of elevated and made things a little

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bit more fantast going away.

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Speaker 1: Really enjoyed that something you said there and something I

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said earlier that I'm just gonna shout out before I

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forget it, is this movie does. One of my favorite

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movie tropes is when it's technology we've never seen, or

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technologies that's new hundreds of years in the future, but

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it looks old, you know. The First Star Wars Blade

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Runner funny enough with Passing the Batman, where Batman has

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this high tech gear, has it suffered Selena put in

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her eye, but it all looks like it's like broken

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and like the rusted and everything.

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like a chainsaw.

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Speaker 1: You get to see how that works, and it's like

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it's just like a few additions to make it something

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cool and different, but then it looks lived in. And

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that's my favorite type of sci fi. I'm not saying

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I don't like like the shiny, glossy. Yeah there's places

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for that, but I love just makes the world feel

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even more lived in, So I appreciate those details. So

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all right, we're gonna take our first at breaks. So

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I want to start with the voice because I didn't

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want to say this. I didn't think it was a spoiler,

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but just in case, because you curkently brought up the voice,

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I think it's like, Okay, I remembered it, but the

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fact that he was narrating the whole movie, I think

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just really the first twenty minutes said it on. I'm like, oh, man, like,

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what a choice. And it's a great choice, and the

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good thing is that works. It's a goofy, silly voice,

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but sometimes I can almost take you out of it.

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but trailers you never know, right, like that can just

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just be for the audience to understand it. So I'm like, oh,

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he's gonna be talking a lot throughout this, and it

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was a great choice.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that voice, uh just.

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Speaker 1: Made just just like kind of weasley, little little slimy

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loser guy, but almost been him charming as well too,

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whole premise of this.

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a just just you know, just very innocent and like

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doesn't fully understand how the world works. But he's just

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so innocent in his in his actions and just thoughts

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and everything. But I like giggled as soon as I

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heard his voice because it is just so goofy compared

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and he's never had a voice anywhere near this. I

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found it just fantastic though, for like the stark contrast

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between Mickey eighteen when we get introduced to him, because

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he's just like more of a normal voice, I guess,

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but just like a lot more.

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his coating and back and.

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face and everything. That's where I'm like, man like, he's

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just so phenomenal of an actor here and he's just

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00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:32,720
playing off of himself. Like it was just yeah, I

474
00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:34,920
tip my hat to him in those scenes specifically.

475
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,519
Speaker 2: And another thing is Dyne, you won't know this because

476
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,200
I won't say luckily an idiot, what are you saying

477
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,440
you haven't seen the Flash that came out a couple

478
00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:47,440
years ago? When I think you remember this Twister.

479
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 4: I should be applauded for not going to see that movie.

480
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: Okay, aw no, no, I'm just saying that there's uh

481
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,839
I think they show the Trits, but there's two berries, right.

482
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,279
And one of our biggest critiques was throughout that movie,

483
00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:03,119
it was really tough because like they have Ezra acting

484
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,599
against themselves, but they would do this thing where they're

485
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,720
also was a stunt double and they were doing that

486
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,440
CGI like face replaced tech and it will cost it

487
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,400
will Like when I rewatch it, but then back then

488
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,680
it'll take me out. This is one of the better

489
00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:20,000
versions of obviously lots of camera chrickery. Sometimes it's even easier.

490
00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:22,680
Sometimes they make it. That's a problem with big CGI movies.

491
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,079
They overthink it. You just set a camera in the

492
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,480
room and you have a halfway point. They don't cross it.

493
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,720
You're kind of set. You just don't have to do anything.

494
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,359
But I have to say it's like one of the

495
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:37,160
best examples of recent times of making a clone, twin double,

496
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,039
whatever it may be, and it's feeling completely natural, where

497
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,480
like I said, I think that's the biggest thing I

498
00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:43,400
jumped to as far as the recent thing we've done

499
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,440
in the podcast where it's two people, it's like, ah,

500
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,519
this doesn't feel like it's two people because like the

501
00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:50,160
acting is fine, but it's this is a computer generated

502
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,559
version of Ezra this where this is like I'm sure

503
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,480
there's a couple of times where it is a pass

504
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:57,119
and face put on somebody, but for the most part,

505
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,480
I think they used it very sparingly and they did

506
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,119
it very well, So I didn't take me out all

507
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,480
on top top grades to whoever was doing that.

508
00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 4: So and I mean it's huge credit to I mean

509
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,960
Pattison and obviously the whole crew here where you know,

510
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,440
at one point, like jokingly, Nasha does write seventeen and

511
00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:15,880
eighteen on their chest and lipstick, which is, you know,

512
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,200
for her to remember as as a character, but like

513
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,119
you don't even really need that because like just the mannerism,

514
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,680
just the posture of the pose, and then obviously when

515
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,319
they're actually speaking as well, Like, at no point was

516
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,640
I ever confused at which one was which, And I

517
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,079
think that's just yeah, X, Like they don't even have

518
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,440
They don't even show the numbers for very long in

519
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,720
the movie, right before they put their soup back on,

520
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,920
and it just like, that's that's so great that there's

521
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,240
not one scene was I confused about who was who?

522
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,160
Because that's not what this movie's about. It's not supposed

523
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,319
to be like a mystery on which one's which. It's

524
00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:47,720
not like a bluffing game in that way. So yeah, yeah,

525
00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:51,160
that that can't be easy, uh, and they freaking nailed it,

526
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,720
So kudos to them.

527
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,079
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Hopefully we have a similar you know thing with

528
00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,880
Sinners another another oh yeah, same actor bouncing off of themselves.

529
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,279
Speaker 4: I don't know why I call like seven trailers before

530
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,240
this movie, I was like dead to the freaking movie.

531
00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:07,279
There's so many, but the Sinner's one was it was

532
00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:07,880
good to watch that.

533
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,559
Speaker 1: I was yeah, I was happy or I was not

534
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,799
happy I got that one because i'd heard it spoiled

535
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:14,599
a lot, and then we got that trailer and I

536
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,000
was like, oh, so I see what people were talking about.

537
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,000
But yeah, there you go. You get a year, even

538
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,240
though I don't think. I think the difference isn't gonna

539
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,839
be as grass here with these two, with this seventeen

540
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,440
eighteen compared to the Twins and everything like that, So

541
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,599
which is funny.

542
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: Because and that's why I wasn't sure where we're gonna

543
00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:34,279
go completely.

544
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,519
Speaker 1: We didn't get to see He talks about and sort

545
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,839
what's the female love interest is again, Dhalad Nasa.

546
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: He talks about how she has told.

547
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: Him the differences between the mickeys, but I feel like

548
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:47,599
we didn't get to see that.

549
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: This is not a critique.

550
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying about why I was wondering what was

551
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,440
going on eighteen because it's just like, Okay, we've heard

552
00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:54,720
a little bit different, but really we just see them die, right,

553
00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:56,720
So we're not getting the Spanich time with them. So

554
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:58,599
in eighteen, that's where it's like, Okay, this is something

555
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,880
where eventually you've cooked too many times that you're starting.

556
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: To go a little loop. Because they set up that

557
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,200
guy was the killer, that was the multiples.

558
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,039
Speaker 1: Now he could have just been a killer in general,

559
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,960
right and been a bad guy, But just because they

560
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,640
had set up earlier, this guy kind of going a

561
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,440
little loopy.

562
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: And now we had eighteen and for a little bit.

563
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: We didn't, you know, they were trying to kill each other,

564
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,559
and then eighteen's off screen for a bit. I didn't

565
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,880
think he was gonna be like killing the Koliad or.

566
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:23,839
Speaker 2: Things like that.

567
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, I found that was a good tension dynamic

568
00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,039
to do in the middle portion when we met eighteen,

569
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,119
he was a little little more heated than I probably

570
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,240
think the other mickeys were.

571
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,839
Speaker 4: So I also liked that wasn't something that was just

572
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,039
like explicitly, there wasn't like exposition, There wasn't some character

573
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,119
like dumping why exactly they're different. But to me, it

574
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,960
just comes down to, like, what is something that is

575
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,680
funny overall? Like, well, you know, a theme of this

576
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,599
in general is that like the leadership is super incompetent obviously,

577
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,720
like the President guy is very much like a Trump

578
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:56,279
type guy. But then also all the scientists on this

579
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,079
ship are fucking idiots. They're just like playing games. They're

580
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,839
constantly forgetting to about the thing and like to explain

581
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,920
why their memories are different. There's literally a shot of

582
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,000
one of them like tripping on one of the chords

583
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,440
that's putting his memories into his head, and it's like, well, yeah,

584
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,359
if that's not plugged in, then obviously his brain is

585
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,720
gonna be different than it has been before because you're

586
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:15,240
not copying the same person anymore. So I liked that

587
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,960
they didn't really have to explain that, they just kind

588
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,480
of showed it in a couple scenes. And then there

589
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:23,440
was that one exception to the scientists people. There was

590
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,480
that one girl who was actually like good and trying

591
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,799
to help out, and then all the other ones were

592
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,759
just idiots or like schmoozers. And I also thought that

593
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:32,000
was like really fun and against type for the genre too.

594
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:33,920
I feel like usually the scientists and these type of

595
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,799
movies are very boring. They're very like just matter of fact,

596
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,279
they're like classic nerdy types, and I think it was

597
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:42,880
fun that they did something a little bit different here

598
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,240
as well.

599
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wasn't sure what the scientists, because we

600
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,799
had the lady that was a nicer that made the

601
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,400
transler and everything, but then there was like the main

602
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,799
scientist guy that didn't necessarily feel like a bad person,

603
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,279
but kind of felt like he was in like in

604
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:00,240
the middle, like he's not gonna be the hero, but

605
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,039
he's also not wanting to do some of these things.

606
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,240
But then he's still you know, just spouting off science

607
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,480
in a funny way. So yeah, that's what I like.

608
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Kind Of for the most part, up until the third act,

609
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,960
you don't know where all the characters are, Like even

610
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,680
the camera guy. For a while, I had my suspicions

611
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,680
because he was going so hard on Mark Ruffle. I'm like, okay,

612
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:18,200
especially when he wanted to be out the battle film,

613
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,640
Like okay, this is when we get like the baby

614
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,759
face turn here. But that's why I like, like, really,

615
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:25,799
up until the last twenty minutes, there's multiple characters that don't,

616
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,200
you know, show their cards till then, and even if you,

617
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,400
you know, have an idea where they're going, you don't

618
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,720
know for sure because like even the camera guy, he's

619
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,160
played it in like a very parody sort of way

620
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,279
where he could just be over the top camera guy,

621
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,680
right that wants to get a shot.

622
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: Wants to be religious guy.

623
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he was filming, yeah ruffle the whole time.

624
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,559
He had the lip piercing.

625
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm calling the camera guy because

627
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,079
he's always in the background like tell him, I'll do this,

628
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,359
and like you're gonna make your speech.

629
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.

630
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,839
Speaker 1: So that's where it's like I thought, because he was

631
00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:59,759
especially in the second act. Yeah, but I thought he'd

632
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:01,640
but the same time, you go, Okay, that could just

633
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,799
be the type of character he'd be.

634
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree with you guys to an extent.

635
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,319
I feel like for me, the one like I don't

636
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:13,720
need like an explanation of everyone's motives throughout the whole film.

637
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:16,200
It makes it fun not knowing exactly what's going on,

638
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,000
like how you're already highlighted with the scientists, like like

639
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:21,400
it seems like the Dorothy like that that was her name,

640
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,480
like the like the one chick that was actually somewhat

641
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,440
like respectful to Mickey and like like kind of feeling

642
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,640
bad for it, but like at the end of the day,

643
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,440
like she's still doing the science experiments and like she's

644
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,559
probably not losing sleep over it, like she is a

645
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,039
scientist and she just sees it as experiment that way.

646
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,039
The one that kind of like, I don't know, it

647
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,240
didn't say with me the best was when we have

648
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,519
like the security force just like like be the good guys,

649
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,519
Like at the end, it just seemed like really convenient

650
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,039
and easy for It's like, well, actually we were investigating

651
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,519
them the whole time, and yeah, it just it just

652
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,640
seemed really again like a very Act three sort of thing,

653
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,960
like well, this is how we resolve this, you know,

654
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,519
And it just seemed a little bit rush for me there.

655
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:07,920
But all the other ones I think I felt fine

656
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,799
with for the most part.

657
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,559
Speaker 4: I could see that being someone's like criticism of this

658
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:13,839
movie is that it obviously has, as we mentioned, like

659
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:16,559
all sorts of social commentary on it, and this movie

660
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,160
actually takes a very hopeful spin on it post a

661
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,599
lot of other movies in the genre, even like things

662
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,960
that Bong Jo has done before in a way that

663
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:30,759
I thought was quite interesting. But yeah, I guess that's

664
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:35,039
like kind of leads into that too, So I don't know, interesting.

665
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: Will you too?

666
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: Oh, we covered a lot of ground.

667
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,359
Speaker 2: That's what I'm before you. Goodness me.

668
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:47,519
Speaker 6: You guys highlight a lot of really good points. I think,

669
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,559
like just having the differentiation between the two Mickeys, their

670
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,480
environments do a great job at kind of not amplifying

671
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:02,480
but identifying which ones which because you have yeah, you

672
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:08,640
have the small quiet and like mumbling kind of Mickey seventeen,

673
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,440
and it's those scenarios where he's out on the outside

674
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,000
of the spaceship doing repairs. They're like, Okay, you're gonna

675
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,799
start to feel little bit burning because you're gonna get

676
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,759
radioactively like fried here beyond it. You're gonna die in

677
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:26,119
about ten minutes. And he's just like, oh okay.

678
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: It's just like oh, we're just rolling with its.

679
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:29,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

680
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:31,519
Speaker 6: So then you it's just those situations where they don't

681
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,119
they're not gonna tell him he's really gonna die until like, okay,

682
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,400
now he's in a situation where.

683
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 5: He's gonna die. You got ten minutes. Oh maybe you

684
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,559
got fifteen. Isn't that nice? And so then you have

685
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,079
eighteen that comes along. And I didn't get the sense.

686
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:47,119
Speaker 6: That eighteen would have been any different to me. It

687
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,240
felt like he would be in those situations where he

688
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,200
died would get copied and that he would just he

689
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:52,839
would face it.

690
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:54,279
Speaker 5: He would die and he would get copied.

691
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,079
Speaker 6: But obviously you don't see that because he's trying to

692
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000
kill seventeen and keep the natural order of things going

693
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,119
on where the no multiples.

694
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,839
Speaker 5: So you also have just the well, you have the

695
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,119
situation of.

696
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,559
Speaker 6: Mickey seventeen being presented with death and self reflecting all

697
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,279
this kind of stuff, and then you have I think

698
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,920
it's just the confinement and the the stupidity of other

699
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,680
people that just really makes eighteen kind of pop. And

700
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,480
again he'll see something on TV of Marshall and just

701
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:29,640
lose his shit, just wants to go and like executed.

702
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 5: It should kill that guy.

703
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, when he's talking about like Stephen Yen about

704
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,839
just the the oxy and whatnot, and then you get,

705
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,079
oh was that it was? This cracked me up because

706
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,880
when you Mickey seventeen had the steak and then that

707
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,880
you the scientist you were talking about Travis Uh, I

708
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,839
feel like he was definitely just a bad guy because

709
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,920
he's like, oh, yeah, I put a some kind of

710
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,559
accelerator thing or something in there, and Mikey's just like Yeah,

711
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,599
Micky's just puking up everywhere, and just that whole dynamic

712
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,799
was really funny and brutal.

713
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: So trying to think they took that steak man that

714
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,799
was like that was less less.

715
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,519
Speaker 5: Flue rare three D printed steak thing.

716
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,519
Speaker 2: Like it's better than when he's getting out.

717
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 5: There, it'd be more like a think slavering puky like.

718
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,559
Speaker 2: The he's speaking because they put someone in that food.

719
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: They're getting out there, it's like dust particles like he

720
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,640
dropped on the grounds, like gone, it's literally just like

721
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,160
just protein that is, you know, and like I do

722
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:29,599
get the point what you.

723
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,839
Speaker 2: Said to like him doing that.

724
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: At the same time, he is just a scientist, right,

725
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,920
so anythink in the way that because obviously Bung has

726
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,599
done this with other movies as well, it's the same

727
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,319
way as like does the scientists that do really bad

728
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640
things the animal that helps all our cultures, that person

729
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,920
a bad person because like near the end, he's not

730
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,720
like joining Marshall or he's not going against the other scientists.

731
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:52,480
He's like, oh, well, you know, will you do this

732
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,440
or you do that? So it's like I don't there's

733
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,720
never time, Yeah, but there's never time. He did anything

734
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,319
like that was not in the name of science.

735
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: You know, like that team.

736
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: They never were like, oh I did this just because

737
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,119
like I didn't like this, Mickey.

738
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: It's like, well, no, we did this because we want to.

739
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:06,599
He wanted to.

740
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,319
Speaker 1: It felt like he wanted to try out the pain

741
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,720
killer really because's like, oh, we we've modified this thing

742
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,240
now I can't remember it was like the Purple Joe

743
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:14,960
or something like that, right, Yeah, And that's so that's

744
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,920
why I think he's trying. I think that's why he

745
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,200
was smart to do that with scientists because like it's

746
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,720
it were in a gray area all the time, right,

747
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:24,960
because there's so many products that get tested on animals

748
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,400
Mickey in seventeen, this situation is.

749
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:28,359
Speaker 2: The animals just a person.

750
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,359
Speaker 1: So that's why we could feel more bad because it's

751
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,359
like a living breathing Hey, I can talk. But it's like,

752
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:35,680
you know, hundreds of people do this every day for

753
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,400
their job. But then they go home and they just like, oh,

754
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,720
well I did this to a pig and I did

755
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,680
this to a monkey, and yeah yeah yeah, but they're

756
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,440
not a bad person, but they might be doing these

757
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,359
things that aren't like kind of unholy. So that's what

758
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,000
I appreciated that there's layers to them, but they never

759
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440
never got too mustache twirlly like they now they weren't

760
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,440
doing it because like, oh, I love torching Mickey, Like

761
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,799
that's definitely Marshall.

762
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: Guy that they showed right like the earlier scientists. That

763
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,559
was like a fucking Jack the Rip type.

764
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:01,519
Speaker 2: Of right the restaurant.

765
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:06,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, something that I really liked about that aspect of it,

766
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,400
of like, you know, they're helping humanity, but it's still

767
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,640
like fucking just torturing this man can never die, like

768
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,599
this is like a fate worse than death. Is is

769
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,559
just the fact that it is outlawed, but they're able

770
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,119
to do it because they're in space, and it's just

771
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,200
kind of like international waters in that regard. And of

772
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,599
course you have like the Kenneth Walker speech, it's like

773
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,880
it'll be carefully monitored, it'll be you know, for the

774
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,920
right of humanity. On my voyage to Nipplheim and fuck

775
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,279
just I was laughing anytime that guy speaks. But I

776
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,960
just just the fact that they went through the effort

777
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,759
of at least explain it that way. So it's it

778
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,039
is gray area science, but it's also they're in uncharted territory,

779
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,000
so they kind of get free ring with that. He

780
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,519
also like signed the documents. You know, they asked them

781
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:51,480
like did you read the whole thing?

782
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:51,759
Speaker 5: Oh?

783
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, to of course they did, and then the narrator

784
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,000
I probably should have read it.

785
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,279
Speaker 4: But I mean also like the scientists, and as we saw,

786
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:02,519
like back on Earth, no one is necessarily qualified for

787
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:04,720
any of the positions they got. Like stevehn Yune's character

788
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,480
learned how to fly like a couple of weeks ago,

789
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,400
and then he got hired as like the pilot for this.

790
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,840
Like people were just doing whatever they could or lying

791
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,599
on their resumes and stuff to get on the ship

792
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,400
in the first place. So I'm sure when the most

793
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,400
of those people even started signed, Like Dorothy, she was

794
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,679
probably a legit scientist, but everyone else they might have

795
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,480
been like random people who just really wanted to get

796
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,639
off Earth and they just lied to get onto that ship.

797
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,159
Speaker 2: And it's not like lie.

798
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: But it's also not like Marshall's opposed to picking people

799
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,840
that aren't the best at their job, right.

800
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: Like job lost the election twice in a row.

801
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean as far as like he

802
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,599
is the example of like the people he wants to

803
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,320
leap per se in multip ways like anytime, like the

804
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,719
first speech at the beginning, and obviously you see some highlights,

805
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,719
but when it's on the ship and he's talking out,

806
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,199
they're gonna like take sex away and like all this stuff.

807
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: But then when we when we get to nip Hoime

808
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:57,840
like the most sex positive country or the world you've

809
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,840
ever imagine sex all the time?

810
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I love like every couple of minutes

811
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,840
he like leans in and talks to Tony Khalen and

812
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,320
she like reaffirms them and everything, and yeah, it's completely

813
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,280
it's not a hundred percent, but like it's very much

814
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,639
a Trump, you know interpretation with the hair, the teef.

815
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,960
He even says many like mannerisms like him the Tony

816
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,079
Collette thing. I'm trying to figure out more history wise,

817
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,400
Like it bugged me that I couldn't get there because

818
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,760
that's not like a comparison to those two because that's

819
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,639
not the way Trump's wife acts and that she's very separate.

820
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,559
Speaker 4: So I think Bong just saw her in Knives Out

821
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:37,760
and was like, I want that role.

822
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be it too.

823
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm trying to track where that character

824
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,760
with the Inspirationists. I'll be excited for people to talk

825
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,199
about that later. But no, Ruffalo, as we talked about,

826
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,519
was great. And even then the speech later on when

827
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,119
he's talking about it's like it's not speech is at

828
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,039
the dinner when they have the other for like agent

829
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:57,199
there or whatever cop and he's still, yeah, gonna make

830
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,800
it the pure all white yeah, harmony country and oh

831
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,800
my goodness, it's just he he just nails that stuff.

832
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,519
Speaker 2: It's kind of scary how good he is at it.

833
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 4: So how did you guys feel about Kai Is that

834
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:12,800
girl's name who, like you know, made the tea for

835
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,639
Mickey seventeen and almost kind of got with him. That

836
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,679
was the one character that I felt like a little

837
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,519
unresolved with by the end of it, Like at the

838
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:21,960
very end in the Yeah, I don't know what the

839
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,360
ceremony when they blow up the machine, she like got

840
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,360
promoted or something like that, but I felt like maybe

841
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,079
an Act three there should have been something else for her,

842
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,199
given that she got like a lot of content earlier

843
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,280
than that. How do you guys feel about that character?

844
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,159
Speaker 5: Yeah?

845
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,039
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. I it was one where

846
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,280
I think she was being set up and like in

847
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,719
a certain way where she was at the dinner. They

848
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,360
even showed her before that, even just interacting with Mickey.

849
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,840
And I can't remember the lady that perished in the cave,

850
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,079
you know should have been Mickey, but like you know,

851
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,039
was a friend of hers. I it just seemed like

852
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:58,239
she was going to be a part of the crew

853
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,440
going forward, and then she's just like non exist until

854
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,880
the end. Meeting there and makes me think like maybe

855
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,800
they had a certain idea of what they want to

856
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,199
do with a character and then they just kind of

857
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,079
cut that out. So definitely felt a little bit unresolved.

858
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,039
And I did like her scenes. I like her scenes

859
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:16,159
with Mickey, like her scenes with Nasha, and I think

860
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,880
just that section of the film, I wanted a little

861
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,840
bit more of it, Like it is a long film.

862
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:25,840
It's over two in however many hours, but I still

863
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:31,039
it's over two hours how many I guess, I repray, yeah,

864
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:31,760
how many minutes?

865
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: Is something like that?

866
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like I still wanted a little bit more

867
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,559
in that section of the film, Like I wanted more

868
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,079
of Mickey seventeen and eighteen, like interacting like on the

869
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,239
ship like that, or even just maybe more moments of

870
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,880
them interchanging a little bit more. But you know, that's

871
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,679
that's I don't think it would really change too much

872
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,400
of the film, So.

873
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's for me.

874
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,599
Speaker 1: One of my critiques is it's doing so much that

875
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:56,920
there's a few things, like even stuff I'd like a

876
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,920
little bit more Steven Jun to do that it just

877
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,559
feels like that care would come in and out at times.

878
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:04,079
Even then too, it just wasn't because it felt like

879
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:06,159
almost once they got up on the ship, when.

880
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,559
Speaker 2: Passed, it was narrating.

881
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: I felt like they really had nothing to do with

882
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,559
each other, Like when Steven Young like is talking to

883
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:12,880
him at the beginning of the movie, it feels like

884
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,960
they don't really know each other. But then we flashed

885
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,960
back to their criminals together, they got here together, they

886
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:21,239
interact multiple times, so I could never gauge their type

887
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,199
of relationship even then, Like at one point, seventeen refers

888
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,719
him as their good friend. I know he's kind of

889
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,840
like a like a loser, but he's also like completely dumb,

890
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,719
and it's in the moment where like Steven Young has

891
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,760
done multiple bad things, so it was one and more there. Yeah,

892
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,719
what was her name, kay or Kay said it was

893
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,039
the Kai. Yeah, that for me was one where I

894
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:41,559
don't know, like that you could probably just take it

895
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,000
all out. I don't think it actually served any purpose

896
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,400
even two, when the critter comes out of their whole,

897
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:51,960
uh what is the Greystone or whatever? Yeah, so when

898
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,800
that comes out and then all this stuff's going on

899
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,199
and she joins the squad and just shooting the s creature,

900
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:58,239
it felt like they're kind of making her have some

901
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,760
facial features to be like she's she's she has to

902
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,960
pick between the friends and the Marshall squad. It's the

903
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,119
Marshall Squad, and it's like, screw you, guys, and then

904
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,679
she is with everybody. And it was odd because at

905
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,800
the beginning of the movie they were setting up that

906
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,760
Mickey is attracted to her, and I thought that was

907
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,199
gonna go more down because there's a point where she

908
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,000
sits beside him and then Naomi sits down and gives

909
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:21,559
him this big kiss in front of her kind of

910
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,440
like to so hey, no, like he's my guy.

911
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: And then later on she tries to make the move

912
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,199
and Mickey doesn't do it.

913
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: It was it was that's why I thought, Okay, when

914
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,760
they were having that conversation down at the stairwell. I'm like, oh,

915
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,519
now I get it that maybe seventeen is starting to

916
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,440
grow affection for her, but he doesn't want to break

917
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,320
it off with her or with Naomi.

918
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: But then you got eighteen. So that's where there's just

919
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,880
a couple plot lines.

920
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,679
Speaker 1: Even the one minor thing this might get cleared up

921
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,880
on a rewatch was when they said, like, okay, they

922
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,159
left the planet to get away from the sky. How

923
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,199
is this guy like sending someone up to the ship

924
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,480
to get them? Like did he just get on the ship?

925
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,440
Like has he been there the whole time? Like that

926
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:01,079
stuffered me, wasn't the so oh shit that was for

927
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,039
the bar torture guys like.

928
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,119
Speaker 6: I don't know, Darius, he would have had to have

929
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,800
been on the ship the whole time because it's over

930
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,159
a four year journey.

931
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,079
Speaker 1: And that's just like feels, oh, they've been on this

932
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,559
journey for four years and now he's collecting Like there's

933
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,159
just a few things that nothing bad, but they pile

934
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,119
up to where it's like okay, like it's spoil, like

935
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:18,599
it's not a perfect score for me, And that's where

936
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,719
it's okay, maybe i'll rewatch. But there's a few storylines

937
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,400
like hers that I needed.

938
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,119
Speaker 2: A little bit more from. So mm hmm, yeah, what

939
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:27,840
be you, Taylor.

940
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,039
Speaker 6: I had envisioned going that way with the ending, where Okay,

941
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:37,159
Mickey seventeen is with Kai and then eighteen is with Nasha,

942
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,920
and I totally would have been okay with that. That's

943
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,559
an ending I would have really loved, because I would

944
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:44,920
have loved to have had both those Mickeys together. But

945
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,199
I'm still happy with with what we got, even though

946
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:48,800
I might.

947
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 5: Maybe prefer I have to sit on it.

948
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 6: I might prefer that alternative ending because I enjoyed the

949
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,760
friendship between Mickey and Kai. I thought it was really

950
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,280
it was just nice, and I feel like they had

951
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:06,159
more similarity between then Nasha and Mickey seventeen. Mickey eighteen

952
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,559
and Nasha definitely were more in sync. But then you

953
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:12,719
get this retrospective flashback where you really see that bond

954
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,960
of how much Nasha really cares about Mickey and she's

955
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,800
the only one that's just there while he's going through,

956
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,480
like just three copies of him are dying from this

957
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:25,039
fucking parasitic virus that's airborne on this planet while they

958
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,880
developed like a vaccine for it, and that's just it

959
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,880
was really powerful, so I can really see why they

960
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,960
have that connection. And that's where again I find it

961
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,079
really humbling, because Mickey seventeen, even though this other woman

962
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,599
is kind of coming on to him, he's like, no, like,

963
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,119
I just I understand what I have with Nasha, and

964
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,840
I just I care about her, and he just he's

965
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,000
just he's just a good guy.

966
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,039
Speaker 5: He's a really really good guy.

967
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,639
Speaker 6: And he didn't want eighteen like to kill a Marshall

968
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:49,360
or anything like that.

969
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think what I'm.

970
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,159
Speaker 6: Getting at is that I would have been okay with

971
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,800
either either or for those endings, but I prefer the

972
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,800
one where eighteen is still alive because I liked I

973
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,960
liked his relationship as well, with that whole Black Diamond

974
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,800
scene where they're cutting it open and he's giving his speech.

975
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,360
They the aliens that jumped out, the creepers, the suits,

976
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,119
the biohazard suits that the scientists quickly put on, they

977
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,159
looked exactly like what the quarantine guys wore from Monster

978
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,719
z Inc. If you look at the suits, like with

979
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,119
the backpack, it's I couldn't believe it. I was like, man,

980
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,960
these look like the Monster z Inc hasmat Team guys.

981
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 5: It's hilarious.

982
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,039
Speaker 2: Seventeen you didn't in your paperwork? She would fit great?

983
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,719
There she did on the wheel there yeah, ros great. Yeah.

984
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,519
Speaker 6: Oh and one more thing too, that that scene when

985
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:48,639
Mickey seventeen he's kissing Nasha and eighteen just starts playing

986
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:49,199
with his hair.

987
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 5: Seventeen hair. Oh man, it's so fucking funny just looking

988
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,400
at him like, oh.

989
00:42:56,199 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: My god, it's so funny. Yeah, I uh you is quickly.

990
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,679
You mentioned Stephen Unen in there. I'm I love Stephen

991
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,760
Union in these types of roles. It's it's it's different

992
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,480
than what his character was a Nope, but like it's

993
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,480
still very like charismatic at times and like little beefish,

994
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,760
little beefish, little beefish.

995
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,199
Speaker 1: Like I think they're kind of similar though, like like

996
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,840
a friendly almost dude. I don't know a time that's

997
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,480
an asshole, right, Like they all are assholes. And it's

998
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:26,280
it's funny because like he got Poplar off Glenn, who

999
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,079
was like the most nicest character.

1000
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, is like I whenever

1001
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,360
I think of Stephen June, I think of the first

1002
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,239
time I've seeing him, which would have been in Walking Dead,

1003
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,079
and he's just so like timid and quiet and like

1004
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,679
nice guy. Where is this It's just it's just like,

1005
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,559
I don't know, I like to see the him doing

1006
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,599
a wider range of a role and just all of

1007
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:46,559
the shots of him just like with this like little

1008
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:50,960
sleazy smile, and he just he very much treats Mickey

1009
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,719
as a He's not a good friend of Mickey at all.

1010
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:56,679
You mind if I take this flamethrower. I'm like, dude,

1011
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:58,320
you can kill him right here. You could just end

1012
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,440
his misery. But okay, see later, Mickey. Sorry, can't get

1013
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,119
down to you. You know, the rope only goes so far.

1014
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,920
Just all those moments when he's like, i'll call it

1015
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,280
like fake crying at the end. I saw tears, but

1016
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,039
it seems like he wiped them away pretty pretty quickly

1017
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,719
when he was committing to just chain sawing his friend there.

1018
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,679
It's yeah, he's a bit of a sleeze ball, but

1019
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,519
I enjoyed the performance nonetheless.

1020
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, Nashua just like calling out his bullshit there was great.

1021
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,400
And then I mean just maybe one of the best

1022
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,079
scenes in the movie is just when she calls out

1023
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,000
the president guy and the like boiler room thing, that

1024
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:33,280
whole speech is so great, and it was like, really

1025
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,000
it was a great move to give that speech to her,

1026
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,280
because like for Mickey eighteen, he's too much of a

1027
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,760
nihilist to do something like that. Seventeen is too much

1028
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,280
of a dufist. So like she was kind of the

1029
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,920
perfect character to go for it, and like performance wise,

1030
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,320
just absolutely crushed it. And then like has to have

1031
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,320
that rope thing in her mouth and then does like

1032
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,880
the jumping flying like scargo like Black Widow kick on

1033
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:58,119
Toning all that like just such an amazing character. But yeah,

1034
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,880
I love that she just constantly called out the bullshit.

1035
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,639
I think that's like back to like the kind of

1036
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,719
hopeful turnout to this and even what you were saying earlier, Kirk,

1037
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,719
like maybe not loving how like some of these whatever,

1038
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,000
like the combat people, like the guards, how they kind

1039
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,039
of just had this whole plot all along. And I

1040
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:15,559
think that's kind of just the idea of this movie,

1041
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,960
is that like people just got to stand up for

1042
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,400
what they believe in and speak out and things like that,

1043
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,039
and I feel like they kind of try to tackle

1044
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,880
it from a future directions obviously, like the scientists people

1045
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,079
as well the guard people, and then like I guess

1046
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,480
she was also a guard, but even just more of

1047
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,960
the characters that we know. And Mickey, I guess he's

1048
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,719
kind of just like he's just like an empathy machine

1049
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,119
or he just doesn't know how to vocalize anything properly,

1050
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,159
so he just kind of stumbles through stuff. But obviously

1051
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,599
he has like a good heart, and so people surround

1052
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:44,039
him in those ways and want to lift him up

1053
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,760
and all that. So yeah, I think that's like a

1054
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,039
just a recurrent, good, recurring theme. But yeah, like her

1055
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,280
performance was so good, so good.

1056
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I liked, Oh god, I forgot my train

1057
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:02,960
of thought. There he said something, then you said something else. Anyway,

1058
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,639
anywhere to go?

1059
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 3: I want to know what you were gonna say there.

1060
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:15,079
Speaker 4: That's like a back that one. I'll mention. I'll mention

1061
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,079
this that I said in my non spoilers. The funniest

1062
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,639
foreshadow I think I've ever seen. I just I love

1063
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,679
the C three to bring the baby thing, Like, just

1064
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,840
what is this innocuous scene of them looking at this

1065
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,000
like really, I don't know if they made that animation,

1066
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,280
if that was the company's animation, I couldn't quite tell.

1067
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,039
I think it was probably the company's animation.

1068
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: Right, or are they just adding like the Genitalia because.

1069
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 4: They weren't sure because I thought the idea was like

1070
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,800
to bring the baby. Thing was like from the company

1071
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,559
that was like their plan is, Okay, we're gonna get

1072
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:44,679
the planet and then like we want to get babies

1073
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,920
out offficiently as possible, so like here's how you do

1074
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,639
it kind of thing. But like what is just some

1075
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,719
goofy little scene you know, pays off like an hour

1076
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,880
and a half later and like the climax of the movie,

1077
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,800
which is like the most ridiculous. There's no way they

1078
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,360
would have even remembered that conversation or that scene. Three

1079
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,239
was that number? It's so ridiculous. But I was just

1080
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,519
dying laughing. And I think that is like one of

1081
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:08,679
my favorite callbacks slash foreshadows in a movie so good.

1082
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: I think he has movements right when he's like he's

1083
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,320
like yeah, he's really trying to sell it.

1084
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,679
Speaker 6: I think it's definitely Yeah, that was a really really

1085
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:18,679
good foreshadow, and I think it's fitting for them. I

1086
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,280
see it as them just as a couple, because when

1087
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,440
Mickey eighteen is walking down the hall, he was even

1088
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,000
saying like we'll dude, like I can't remember what the

1089
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,880
move the move was, but this certain thing and Mickey

1090
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,360
seventeen was like that's me and.

1091
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 5: Hers move or whatever.

1092
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:41,519
Speaker 3: Or something, you know, sound yeah, yeah, nothing, they circle back,

1093
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,119
you know.

1094
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: I never sa I never thought was ready.

1095
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: He'll come back tomorrow. I'm like, oh, I should have

1096
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:53,280
said this, but no. It's interesting with Ruffo's character at

1097
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,440
the end there. He's still very funny, but they try.

1098
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:59,320
They tried to get nothing better, but they try to

1099
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,880
give him a bit more serious notes.

1100
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: I love like the when he got shot.

1101
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,079
Speaker 1: He had like the cut there, so one he like

1102
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:07,000
brands one Mickey to say, oh yeah, like I know

1103
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,800
which one's which, but it's kind of like a like

1104
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,119
a screw you, like I can do this too, collect

1105
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,360
like praises them very quickly. Oh yeah, it's such such

1106
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,719
a good job. But he has this big speech here

1107
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:21,039
and I'm I'm surprised he went as far out as

1108
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,280
he did. Obviously he hit the people around him, egging

1109
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,480
him on and everything like that. But they gave him

1110
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:28,679
like a little moment with Mickey eighteen there to like

1111
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,519
he's trying to like again, he's somewhat serious, So they

1112
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,039
tried to do that a couple of times, but again

1113
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,920
I felt like where my point was the beginning with

1114
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,639
some of the humor was we'd be back on that

1115
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,679
ship and there's all things going on, and some of

1116
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,719
the humor maybe didn't work completely for me in that

1117
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,559
moment because we're losing eighteen and there's other stuff going on.

1118
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,039
Speaker 2: But yeah, no interesting, And I want to ask you

1119
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,119
us about what do you feel about the dream sequence

1120
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:53,800
that happened?

1121
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: Because I was very confused for however long on that

1122
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,480
runtime is most confused.

1123
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: I was that movie.

1124
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,679
Speaker 1: We'll explain why after, but see if any feel the

1125
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,239
same way as me.

1126
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was funny thinking back to Parasite,

1127
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,800
which a lot of people don't like that you know,

1128
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,679
spoiler for the end of Parasite here, but that it

1129
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,400
has a dream sequence thing that's like the ideal scenario,

1130
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:17,039
like in the character's head, like what would be the

1131
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,800
perfect scenario? And this is kind of like the opposite

1132
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,280
of that, like everything actually is good because this movie

1133
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,320
does have a hopeful ending, but like what if they

1134
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,320
had actually plotted all along. I think it was really

1135
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,199
interesting because it kind of is just like a once

1136
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,519
again a commentary on just like you can take out

1137
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:34,719
these people in power. But if you don't, you know,

1138
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,840
pure fix the problem completely or like it's not a

1139
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,239
big societal shift, then there's like, you know, cut off

1140
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,119
one head and then like another head comes right up

1141
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:44,079
kind of thing. And I think that also is like

1142
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:47,719
totally fitting for those characters who constantly belittle expendables as

1143
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,119
like being less than people. These aren't real people, but

1144
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,199
like then they would somehow find a way to turn

1145
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,039
it and be like, oh, but if we did it

1146
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,519
for ourselves, we would be like saviors. We'd be like

1147
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:58,960
Jesus coming back again, like that whole kind of thing.

1148
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,239
And so to me it was like, yeah, if that

1149
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,039
was the actual ending, I don't think I would like it.

1150
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:05,599
But I think it's like really good. It's just like

1151
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:08,159
a insidious thought in the back of Mickey or anyone

1152
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:11,280
else's head that like, Okay, I think we're good, but

1153
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,840
like you never really know what these people and like

1154
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,440
this power, and like I don't know, maybe they had

1155
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,840
another cloning machine hidden somewhere on this ship and even

1156
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,360
though we blew up on maybe there's another one and

1157
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,360
maybe there is another one in them out there, So

1158
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,679
all that kind of stuff. I thought it was quite poignant.

1159
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,519
I quite liked it, but yeah, I was very confused

1160
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:29,239
for a couple of minutes there when it was happening.

1161
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was like, is there some big twists

1162
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
that I missed along the way. I'm trying to do

1163
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:36,400
that whole not that I ever thought he would have done,

1164
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,880
like oh this was a whole dream, but something to

1165
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,639
that effect of like, okay, the printing machines here they

1166
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,360
talked about they destroyed it.

1167
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,159
Speaker 2: What's happening? But yeah, I think I like the scene.

1168
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the placement of it, but I

1169
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,039
like what the scene has going for. But it was

1170
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,840
I think that one I need on a second watch

1171
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,119
to see how I truly feel about because the firste

1172
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:57,800
was happening, it's like, oh, just a Dream's like, Okay,

1173
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,239
didn't really enjoy this where I liked the Paris and

1174
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,599
that one didn't bug me where I know lots of

1175
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,079
people don't like that moment, so I guess it's just

1176
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,119
kind of different strokes for different folks.

1177
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,639
Speaker 2: But it was it was an interesting scene nonetheless.

1178
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a very weird shift. I was

1179
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:16,119
expecting some weird like we had more of us all

1180
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:19,159
along and the like just a total like almost like

1181
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,639
a dark ending because because you know, I looked at

1182
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,320
my watch at one point I knew it was nine.

1183
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, we're close to the end here.

1184
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,159
Speaker 3: And then that played out, so it I enjoyed the

1185
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:31,920
execution of the scene like it was a well shot.

1186
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,360
It was very eerie and creepy. I just think, yeah,

1187
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,920
like what you said. I was like, maybe the placement

1188
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,119
would have made me like it a little bit more,

1189
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:40,320
but who knows.

1190
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

1191
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole sequence that they did with that, it

1192
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:49,320
was I I did not expect it to be a dream,

1193
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,599
and I was taking it at face value, like this is.

1194
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:53,079
Speaker 5: The real deal.

1195
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,119
Speaker 6: And I really thought that we were going to get

1196
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:02,119
some horrible hybrid concoction because she she took the tail

1197
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,360
of one of the creepers and like made him like

1198
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,400
drink the sauce. I thought, so, now is his DNA

1199
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,920
going to be mixed with the creeper and it's gonna

1200
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,079
be some weird hybrid thing coming back out of this

1201
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,760
three D printer, because it's gonna be all fucked up.

1202
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:16,159
Speaker 5: I don't know what I know.

1203
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, it was just just a dream,

1204
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,400
and yeah, just a haunting dream. But I guess it's

1205
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,559
like he talks about having nightmares and whatnot, and it's

1206
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:28,599
just one of those one of those nightmares.

1207
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,039
Speaker 5: It definitely pulls you out of the where we're kind

1208
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,000
of I guess going and concluding with the story. But

1209
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:36,559
that's fine.

1210
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 6: It's it's not a huge like negation towards the film

1211
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,679
or anything like that.

1212
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: I wanted to mention something you mentioned there earlier, Travis,

1213
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,920
with when the president gets shot at and then he

1214
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,920
has like the scar on his cheek. I'm wondering about

1215
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,639
like the timing of when this was filmed, because like that,

1216
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,320
to me, I thought we were gonna go into like

1217
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,400
a Trump comparison thing of when he got shot and

1218
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,079
like it hit his ear, didn't hit his ear. But

1219
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,000
then that kind of, you know, in some way probably

1220
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,079
was in his favor for him getting reelected. And that's

1221
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,000
like not really what the turn was in this movie.

1222
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,559
It wasn't like, oh, I'm like a hero, I'm a savior.

1223
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:12,320
I went through this traumatic thing and that turned in

1224
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,079
people liking him. That's not really what happens here. So

1225
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,280
that's something I wondered if like it's probably just coincidence

1226
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,559
when they're filming or writing this movie and then that

1227
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,159
happened in real life, right because the time it doesn't

1228
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,360
quite line up, but it was I wondered if that

1229
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,639
was where we were gonna go, But ultimately no.

1230
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Especially as I guess there could be reshoots. But I

1231
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,360
remember this movie was supposed to be out last.

1232
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,199
Speaker 4: Year, and I know I was thinking about the reshoots

1233
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:35,960
about that scene. I was like, ooh, is that something

1234
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,320
that I would have redone because it could be quite poignant.

1235
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,639
Speaker 1: But even the stuff where at one point when they're

1236
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:42,480
talking about like the people having the power and they're

1237
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:44,760
throwing up their fists with the ones and everything like that.

1238
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,760
With our culture, a certain figures throwing up the you know,

1239
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,119
the salute of a.

1240
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: Old bad age.

1241
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:54,159
Speaker 1: So I think it's just one of these life funnily

1242
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:01,599
entertaining or not entertaining, my God imitating imitating life, uh situation.

1243
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,039
And it's yeah, it's I feel like with that some

1244
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,039
of the things that happened with the election. Maybe I'm wrong,

1245
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,880
Maybe they're got together really quickly shot some stuff. I

1246
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,599
think they just got some fun dumb luck or just

1247
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:14,599
kind of I don't know, kind of prediction.

1248
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: Like so many scenes he like has the thing on

1249
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,639
his face. I guess you could see gi the scar,

1250
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,760
but like, yeah, I feel like it would be a

1251
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,039
lot of work to like change that stuff.

1252
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and I think maybe it's just a look

1253
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,880
at how these thcenes kind of cycle, right, there's always

1254
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,079
a there's always an idea of like, oh, well, you

1255
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:33,760
defeat the evil and you know, we're gonna grow up.

1256
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,119
And like how I felt like when Obama got elected

1257
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,800
is like, Okay, you're gonna start seeing every racist person

1258
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,039
ever go away. You're gonna go on this way, this way,

1259
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,039
and it's like, yeah, every couple of years, every decade,

1260
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,159
something bad happens again and.

1261
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: Just kind of resets.

1262
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's maybe how they got to

1263
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,920
this dumb luck stuff of like highlighting not just Trump,

1264
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,519
but there's other characters they highlight that are of bad

1265
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:57,440
ilk from the past, but they just kind of still

1266
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,360
find a way back. So it's like, as much as

1267
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,440
you do want to be hopeful, you kind of have

1268
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:04,480
to be hopeful because there's you were never just gonna

1269
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,440
be unfortunately in a world of just good guys.

1270
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's not gonna happen.

1271
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,199
Speaker 1: There's no like end point where it's like, oh, everyone

1272
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,159
starts having kids because there's always gonna be some fucking

1273
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:14,360
asshole or some really rich terrible person or just poor

1274
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,320
terrible person that it's like, you know, look at the

1275
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,639
guy's making multiples, just go around murdering homeless people for reason,

1276
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,760
you know which. I really liked that backstory of because

1277
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,320
we said multiples and he was so dramatics, Like, okay,

1278
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,239
I also I understand why that's a big deal, right,

1279
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,280
probably don't want two of you.

1280
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: But when there was a literal law.

1281
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:34,599
Speaker 1: And controversy like about that, I liked everything to the

1282
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:36,400
reveal of I can't remember that guy's name, but like

1283
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:39,599
number three, that was a very well done and I

1284
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:40,639
enjoyed that sequence.

1285
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we get Terra, that's when we'll have our

1286
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,519
perfect society, right.

1287
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: Terra, I forget.

1288
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: Class Like yeah, yeah, we check back up on that

1289
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,079
in the eleventh year see All Buildings Go A.

1290
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: I was gonna go in a cloning direction here, so big,

1291
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,880
big aspects obviously all about the cloning, and I really

1292
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,639
like just the whole details around it. It's just like

1293
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,840
a really interesting machine. I feel like they explained it

1294
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,239
in a a wide enough blanket where it's like, Okay,

1295
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,039
they're not getting into like the science of how this

1296
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,559
actually works, but they're saying a lot of things.

1297
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 5: You know that we got a.

1298
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: Lot of ingredients that yeah, I believe that we can

1299
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,920
just get a human at out of this, you know,

1300
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,760
throwing some science magic, and that's just the reality of

1301
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,039
how it works. They got this like funky looking brick

1302
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:31,559
thing that's like a big hard drive, just cool designs

1303
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:34,679
all around it. And then yeah, I already was mentioning

1304
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,079
the multiples there and just how big of a thing

1305
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,920
that was. And because of that quick backstory, like you

1306
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,199
realize the severity I think of the situation between eighteen

1307
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,159
and seventeen and how they do have to keep it secret,

1308
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,199
and I think because that was explained, and then we

1309
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,800
have them both on the station, that's when I'm like, oh,

1310
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,440
this is gonna be a really fun aspect of the

1311
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,840
movie now, but it is just short and sweet when

1312
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,599
that when they're they're like, I don't know, I'm not

1313
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:02,599
gonna say operating, but like just living on the ship.

1314
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:05,440
At the same time, because right after like the bedroom scene,

1315
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:07,960
that's when we go into the assassination that eighteen tries

1316
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,039
to pull out so it just I feel like it

1317
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,000
ramps up a little bit too quick there. It's it's

1318
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:13,679
going back to what I was saying earlier. I just

1319
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,599
maybe wanted a little bit more in there, because it

1320
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,440
just was an interesting idea. And then the whole thing

1321
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,039
with like the love triangle of like the cloning was

1322
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,639
just like an interesting thought experiment. It's like, well, you know,

1323
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,039
anyone's gonna cheat on your significant other a clone of yourself.

1324
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,199
I guess that's that's not that bad. But then when

1325
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:34,440
you're looking at it from the seventeenth.

1326
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:39,639
Speaker 5: Perspective, you know, all, yeah, exactly, I got I got many.

1327
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,519
Speaker 3: Myself though, so so you know, it's it's it's an

1328
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,719
interesting thing where it's like it wouldn't be that bad,

1329
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,079
but when you're seeing it, it's like, fuck, that's horrible.

1330
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,000
That's my position, you know, like, well, like I should

1331
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,400
be that person in that in those shoes.

1332
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: And even seventeen says that when he has.

1333
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: Him over, like the heating bear whatever, he's gonna melt

1334
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,440
him right, And he's like, oh, well, you were gonna

1335
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,280
die anyway. Why do you have a problem dying now?

1336
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,159
And he says, like before, when I died, it was

1337
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:06,199
like a piece of me was going on and continuing,

1338
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,920
but now there's like a splinter because the new experiences,

1339
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,440
the memories I've had now are gonna die with me

1340
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,000
in this fire. So it's almost like you're playing an

1341
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,320
old video games save five where it's like, all right,

1342
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:16,679
I'll go.

1343
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: Back and play like the one you had is corrupted.

1344
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: It's okay, you don't want you, but it's never gonna

1345
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:23,960
be exactly the same if it's like an RPG or something, right,

1346
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,920
and that's Mickey's But for Mickey, it's not just a

1347
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,440
video game. It's his fucking life. But let's take when

1348
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,119
we're at break before we have more thoughts and final

1349
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:35,840
thoughts and more thoughts. We'll bear back and we're back.

1350
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:37,639
Speaker 3: Last thing I wanted to say to close up my

1351
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,880
thoughts there is I also just liked how we had

1352
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,639
the highlight of like specifically around the murders, but then

1353
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:45,960
you have like the interviews and the council about people

1354
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,679
like just talking about the idea of multiples and it's

1355
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:50,920
like there's one soul for one person, and then they

1356
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,559
like they go through of like even philosophers, we're having

1357
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:57,199
a hard time like explaining how this works or scientists.

1358
00:58:57,199 --> 00:58:59,639
They just have all these different parties and yeah, they

1359
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,360
don't like the whole movie isn't about explaining that. It's

1360
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,440
just like, yeah, we we don't know how to explain it,

1361
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,000
and this is just how it works. So we just

1362
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,760
banned it overall. So because overall, I just liked how

1363
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,199
they explain the whole cloning thing.

1364
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:12,599
Speaker 1: Because that's not explained in our world, right, there's people

1365
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:14,199
that believe we're a soul.

1366
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,119
Speaker 2: When you die, you go there, you go here, blah blah.

1367
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,239
Then there's really just that you die and you decompose.

1368
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,039
Speaker 1: You know, there's no we can't talk to the people

1369
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,679
that have died to be like, hey, we got a message.

1370
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,920
There is a Jesus, there is a God, there is

1371
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,320
a devil, or like we don't have that to our dead.

1372
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,400
We're not gonna know till our eyes closed and it's

1373
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:32,280
like oh, or they just close and it's gone. So

1374
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,599
it's like, I think that's smart to sometimes not answer

1375
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:38,039
those grander world questions, you know, fucking minutichlorians when it's

1376
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:41,039
like we can't you know, like we like, oh, why do.

1377
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: You believe in God so much?

1378
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,039
Speaker 5: Oh?

1379
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: Well, my blood's really strong it believes in God. No, no, no,

1380
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:46,119
that shouldn't be what it should be. So that's why

1381
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:49,800
I like that method of Okay, here's the cards, here's

1382
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,400
where I lay.

1383
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,719
Speaker 2: You just don't get to flip them, you know.

1384
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:52,719
Speaker 5: Hm.

1385
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 4: Another thing I really enjoyed is pretty simple, but just

1386
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,199
like you know, with the traumatic backs story for Mickey

1387
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:03,599
in a large reason of why he is the way

1388
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:05,400
he is is because as a kid, he hit this

1389
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,760
button in the car and that led to what he

1390
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,519
believes is like his mom crashing and then dying because

1391
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,880
of it. And I feel like it seems like maybe

1392
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,159
after like his life would have gone a completely different

1393
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:17,480
direction to split like seventeen and eighteen in terms of

1394
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,599
how his life would have gone if that moment didn't happen.

1395
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,119
And I feel like, because that he's gone through his

1396
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,000
life without really making decisions because he doesn't want to

1397
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:27,840
make another decision like that again, so he just bumbles

1398
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,519
through things, even bumbling through sign up to be inexpendable,

1399
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,920
one of the worst things anyone could do. And so

1400
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:35,320
I think it is a nice cathartic moment that at

1401
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,679
the end of the movie, like you kind of get

1402
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,199
the two moments Mickey eighteen makes the he presses the

1403
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:43,239
button to sacrifice himself for the greater good and solve

1404
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,320
that whole problem. And then seventeen gets the cathartic moment

1405
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,079
to hit the button to destroy the cloning thing so

1406
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,400
he can now just continue his life in a normal way.

1407
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,039
And he still has guilt about that because he's just

1408
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:56,320
such an empathetic character. But I really like that very

1409
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,960
simple imagery of like the idea of taking making a choice,

1410
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:03,320
just like with literally just clicking a button. Is it

1411
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,480
really just a nice, simplified, boiled down version of like

1412
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,079
that big sort of idea. So I really like the

1413
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:09,679
visual of that.

1414
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: And I have to wait for a rewatch or for

1415
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,440
other people's theories because I didn't. I if there's something there,

1416
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,639
I'm not smart enough to catch it. But the scientist

1417
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,719
that gets them set up for the program, his hair

1418
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,199
is identical to his mom, and they do a shot

1419
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,800
when he's walking behind her. There's a shot just behind

1420
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,239
her head. She has the ginger hair auburn hair. And

1421
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,159
then while he's talking like, oh, when I was a kid,

1422
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:33,719
and it switches and it's a.

1423
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: Woman with auburn hair holding him.

1424
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,199
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just to just to get

1425
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:41,360
because he talks about how he likes or smell and

1426
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:42,679
trust or everything like that. I don't know if it's

1427
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,320
just as simple as that as something like the hair

1428
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,800
is setting them off be like Okay, I can trust

1429
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,639
this woman's gonna call my body. But I imagine there's probably

1430
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:51,519
more of bong than I haven't just figured out yet.

1431
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,800
But they have their hairs, and that's where that was

1432
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,559
messing with me at the beginning, and I'm like, hey,

1433
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,400
why does this woman the scientist is his mom had

1434
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,519
the same hair, specially because didn' show the mom's face.

1435
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,800
That's where I was for a while, like, oh fuck,

1436
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,159
is there something more sinislar here? Nothing at all happened there,

1437
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,159
but they definitely did play around that hair.

1438
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:11,519
Speaker 2: And I don't know the philanswer yet, so I just.

1439
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: Took it as like that's what triggered the nostalgic memory.

1440
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could be just that. Yeah.

1441
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like such a gut shot where he has

1442
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,639
his memory that's it's like refreshed with with whatever they

1443
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,440
give him to like just so it's like that fresh,

1444
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:26,760
like as if his mom just dies.

1445
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,239
Speaker 5: So obviously he's like broken.

1446
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,679
Speaker 3: He's he's in tears, and then the character that triggered

1447
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:32,719
those memories like walks in with a gun.

1448
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 5: Is like, no, shoot yourself on the head. It's just

1449
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,639
like holy fuck, Like yeah.

1450
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:42,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think what else I got for notes?

1451
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:44,960
I guess one one quick note. I I really enjoyed

1452
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,079
the sequence when Mick, Mickey and Timo are just like

1453
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:50,599
in the streets and then they you know, kind of

1454
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:52,840
getting caught by these groups. One just the visual of that,

1455
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,880
like the gangster guy like walking throwing the thing that

1456
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,000
like rolls down the hill and shocks them was cool.

1457
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,320
But then just like cool being in the bar and

1458
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,079
you have like the old creepy guy who runs this

1459
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:04,199
thing just eating his meal whilst the other guy's like

1460
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:06,639
just dump an exposition. There's people just getting torture and

1461
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,960
they're stealing shoes off these bodies. It was just, once again,

1462
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,400
so absurd and like could have been a boring backstory

1463
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,800
scene is in instead this like very stylish sequence. So yeah,

1464
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,440
just every like I feel like every scene was there's

1465
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,920
so much care and like also budget put into it,

1466
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,239
and I really appreciated that.

1467
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love those whatever roller weapons were that they

1468
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,000
were just track them down, shock them.

1469
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:30,679
Speaker 2: Cool stuff.

1470
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 4: Mhm.

1471
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: I really like the creature designs. I shouted out earlier

1472
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,280
with the comparison Osco Value the Winds. Everybody go watch

1473
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,960
some studio guilty movies. Choose any of them. They're phenomenal.

1474
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,679
But yeah, I just the way that they're able. I

1475
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:48,920
haven't seen oakshow, I imagine it's the same, where like

1476
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,000
he's just able to make this creepy alien looking thing

1477
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:54,840
just just just I feel remorse for it, and I

1478
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,440
just feel so sad when it's like getting tortured and

1479
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,800
pricked and like on the fish hook, going down on

1480
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,639
the cinerator. And I didn't realize that they had eyes

1481
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:05,679
too until like later on in the film. I'm like,

1482
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:07,320
oh my god, like you can actually like look right

1483
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:08,760
into them. And then of course when they do the

1484
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,920
head explosion thing, it's explained it was just kind of

1485
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,159
a bluff, but fuck, it was sure convincing when they're

1486
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:16,880
all doing it in unison and just just really cool. Yeah,

1487
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,800
designs of the character. Again, I'm one hundred percent convinced

1488
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:24,000
it was strongly inspired by Nausica Valley the Winds, And

1489
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,719
we keep shouting out that, we keep shouting out that.

1490
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: Well, we listen to this podcasts review, this guy brought

1491
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:35,119
up highlighting.

1492
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like, fuck, we did a side by side. Yeah,

1493
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:39,920
and then Bong was bankrupt. Never makes a movie ever again.

1494
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,559
Speaker 3: I hope he remembers me for that.

1495
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: But we'll go with Jollikeeper Studios.

1496
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:50,519
Speaker 3: We'll have to compete with sub so be the guy

1497
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:53,440
in the chair. But I I also just like their

1498
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,079
like strategic there's like strategic diversion, I guess where they

1499
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:00,800
just all surround like the main one and they're just

1500
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,599
making these like little cyclones. And it's also just comedic

1501
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:06,159
when you have fucking Mark Ruffalo's character, like it's that one?

1502
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,039
Speaker 5: Is that one? Shoot that one?

1503
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:09,039
Speaker 3: Then it just like dissipates, like no, you idiot, that's

1504
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:13,519
not the that's not the one. Oh just yeah. Kenneth

1505
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:16,599
Walker whatever his name was, Mark Ruffalo was just fant hat.

1506
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:20,519
I feel like eighty plus percent of all of his scenes,

1507
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:22,760
I just kept chuckling and laughing and like the faked

1508
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,920
teeth they gave them the tan.

1509
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 5: Everything was just boba fat luck. He was came to

1510
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:27,679
my mind.

1511
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it wants to be the die for niffle him.

1512
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought all that was really good. It was

1513
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,639
smart to once again, everything in this movie has some

1514
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:41,920
social commentary angle to it, but like whether it's just

1515
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:45,159
racism or like colonialism, but like using straight up like

1516
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:47,679
these what are you know if you read a book

1517
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:50,159
by its covered like just a very nasty looking bug thing,

1518
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:51,760
you kind of make a lot of assumptions about what

1519
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,880
it is. But instead to approach the situation from empathy,

1520
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,119
which of course Mickey does naturally, and then he kind

1521
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,719
of have to like relay that information to everyone else.

1522
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:01,920
And then obviously when you actually get the translatter, which

1523
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,639
I love how quickly they make the translator, like they

1524
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:07,280
make it in like twenty minutes, it feels like, yeah,

1525
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,519
which is insane. But Dorothy, you know, pretty good scientists

1526
01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:11,239
and all that. So no, I think that was all

1527
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,280
really smart, and I yeah, I'm surprised how much screen

1528
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,800
time those bugs got considered. At the start of the movie,

1529
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,199
I thought it just like, oh, this is just gonna

1530
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:19,639
be one of the many funny deaths that Mickey gets.

1531
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:22,280
But instead it's like a huge plot point, big care

1532
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,960
and like they actually have names and characters and all

1533
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,679
this stuff around them. So yeah, definitely a big surprise

1534
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,000
and yeah, I think the CGI looked great the whole

1535
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,079
way through. There was never a point when I was

1536
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:33,679
like taken out of it somehow. It was still like

1537
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:36,559
grounded and realistic, even though it was clearly absurd, especially

1538
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,400
when you're yeah, they're doing the cyclone stuff that you

1539
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,320
were mentioning there. I didn't know if they were both

1540
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,280
like if there were summony like a giant one. I

1541
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,159
thought that's what was about to happen, like a like

1542
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:45,760
a dune sand warm situation.

1543
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 3: I was also getting major plague tail vibes Dylan, just

1544
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,440
like the swarms of them, especially when they're making like

1545
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,440
the big like, yeah, cyclones from azumdo they do kind

1546
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,480
of look like rats, So yeah, they have the tails.

1547
01:06:56,519 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 4: So it makes sense.

1548
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 6: During the Dinner sequel, it's there when they're basically like

1549
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,079
presenting Kai with this new opportunity for her career. On Neflin,

1550
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,840
I found I don't need a lot more backstory, even

1551
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,559
though I'm interested in it, because I think it's just

1552
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,719
maybe in some other context they could highlight, but in

1553
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,280
this movie, I think it was just the right amount.

1554
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,519
But anyways, he was talking about what he wants the

1555
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:23,559
planet to be, and I said that Marshall was talking

1556
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:25,159
about what the planet is going to be, it's in

1557
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:29,360
his future. I'm pretty sure he highlighted what a few

1558
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,320
other colony planets were doing and what they were up to,

1559
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:35,280
and just how he was kind of like shitting on

1560
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,760
them and their their way of life. And for me,

1561
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,119
it gave me a brief kind of vibe like this

1562
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:42,920
feels like a fallout scenario where everyone's just picking a planet,

1563
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,360
going to it and just doing their own type of

1564
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,840
colonization society kind of thing. And it's like an experiment, right,

1565
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,039
They're all doing their own different things, and I like

1566
01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:55,639
that concept. I think it's kind of cool because, like, hypothetically,

1567
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,679
I'm just headcanoning this. You have this colony set up

1568
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:02,400
on Neflaheim and what like two hundred years down the road,

1569
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,000
they turn into this cult like fanatical Areyan society, and

1570
01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:09,239
like you could just go to war against the regular

1571
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:10,119
humanity and Earth.

1572
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:11,679
Speaker 5: It's like a space war in a future.

1573
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,679
Speaker 6: It's just I just headcann in cool different scenarios, just

1574
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,520
based on the fact that you have humans just breaking off,

1575
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:25,039
abandoning their predecesssing society and just starting new. It's just

1576
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:27,359
that's total fucking care.

1577
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's taking up here.

1578
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,520
Speaker 4: I love that. It just totally fits with like the guy,

1579
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,079
you know, the President character who picks this planet which

1580
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:41,520
is like seemingly snowy everywhere and like I don't know

1581
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,880
how you're gonna grow crops well, but like also the

1582
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,359
atmosphere just like kills you on contact, and like obviously

1583
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,800
they have the Mickey pro the Expendable program and all over.

1584
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,239
It's like like they have the tech to go there,

1585
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,680
they have the tech to clone people, but they don't

1586
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,920
have the like africing telescope and stuff to like determine

1587
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,960
if this planet is habitable before they go there in

1588
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,560
the first place. Is just like shows once again the

1589
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,760
level of inconfidence they're like, we're we're at right now.

1590
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,960
It's human kind. We've like determined some habitable planets. They're

1591
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:09,560
just you know, too far away to really be conceivable.

1592
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,800
But like the fact that they just go to this

1593
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,520
hellscape is hilarious.

1594
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm picking Jupiter, you know, that's where we're going for

1595
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:15,239
my planet?

1596
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,239
Speaker 2: Is that approven one that we could live on?

1597
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 3: That's absolutely not No.

1598
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 5: I think it's the moons, Jupiter's moons.

1599
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 3: I think it's Titan. I think it's the moon Tan.

1600
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, the moons are.

1601
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,119
Speaker 2: Dyl just said that.

1602
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: I got that excited because I've not followed any of

1603
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,439
that once once they kicked Pluto as a planet for

1604
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,199
a while, like, oh, I'm done with all the Nassave people.

1605
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 4: You know, I know none of them are anywhere close,

1606
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:37,840
So don't get too excited.

1607
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we're not making it.

1608
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:40,359
Speaker 2: To them realistic.

1609
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: At some point they have like, you know, one hundred

1610
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,960
years from now, there's gonna be some rockets, some new

1611
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:45,720
auction tanks.

1612
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,039
Speaker 5: They can get us there, right, you get that.

1613
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 6: You want to go too, You have like a personal

1614
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,680
offense that Pluto is no longer a planet.

1615
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I likes Pluto. They want to go to Pluto.

1616
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,039
Speaker 5: But this is still exists.

1617
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 4: You can still like it.

1618
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 6: You see did you see the high rist photos of

1619
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,159
it with the Yeah, let's let's bread and butter.

1620
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:10,359
Speaker 3: Let's like twelve years ago, circle back where you got that.

1621
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 5: I'm curious what.

1622
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:16,239
Speaker 2: We're talking about planets. I can be a whole hour.

1623
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,399
Speaker 1: I'm down and to have that conversation without moving the planets,

1624
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:21,680
which plans we go to stuff like that, That sounds

1625
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,399
a great bread and butter I'll start off by great time,

1626
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,439
great movie Bong does again. I'm excited to see what

1627
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,960
he does next. This is probably gonna be the biggest

1628
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:33,239
budget as for a while because you know, I think

1629
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:34,560
this movie will do relatively well.

1630
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 2: But it is a it's a weirder movie I could

1631
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,319
pitch just to everybody, right, it's not.

1632
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,119
Speaker 1: So weird where I don't think it's like, you know,

1633
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:42,039
speaking of Mark ruffle like a poor things where I

1634
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:44,239
go like, oh, I know multiple people that this isn't

1635
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:44,600
for you.

1636
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:45,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that.

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Speaker 1: I think there's just there's different type of concepts that

1638
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,199
might not be up people's tree. But you know, I

1639
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:53,880
think he does a great job. And I think he

1640
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,800
said he's trying to do some like horror movie about

1641
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,359
a killer on a subway or something. So I don't know,

1642
01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:58,880
I will.

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01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 4: Be one of the clones from movie Who's program.

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01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:02,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil it.

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01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 3: I get Mark Ruffalo in there, I don't care who

1646
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:05,319
else is in there.

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, now and like kind of waiting, I

1648
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,119
got to officially go back and start taking off the

1649
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:13,600
movies he's done in the past that are all four

1650
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,079
because I've heard great things about many other ones. But yeah,

1651
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:19,239
I'm a eight point seventy five here, couldn't quite get

1652
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:22,119
it to nine just because, like I said, mostly back

1653
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,359
half stuff. I have some questions, but just the pacing

1654
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:26,920
felt just a little bit off. Maybe I will feel

1655
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,760
differently about it as we go along, but I imagine,

1656
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,880
who knows, we could see, but I imagine come next

1657
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:36,479
January February, we'll be talking about this movie again in

1658
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,640
multiple Golden Geeks categories. You know, Ruffalo, he didn't win

1659
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,079
for poor Things, but maybe uh maybe you can pull

1660
01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:44,439
it out this time, you know, because he's great and

1661
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,439
uh yeah, I'm very excited to see all these actors,

1662
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,359
what they do, what Bong does. So yeah, eight points the.

1663
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 4: Five for me, I am gonna give this a seventeen

1664
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:59,600
out of seventeen. Nice, perfect score, Nice great love it.

1665
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:01,520
Speaker 3: Here you go next.

1666
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,119
Speaker 5: I am thinking I'm gonna give this.

1667
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:11,359
Speaker 6: The only con I really have is just the longevity

1668
01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:14,119
of just that third act, and just because that really

1669
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:15,880
pulled me out a little bit.

1670
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: But don't worry, just like ron Less when we get

1671
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,039
the Golden Geeks. Oh now I've visited great third act,

1672
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:21,720
you know, well.

1673
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,319
Speaker 5: Romulus was just that's different.

1674
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,279
Speaker 6: Because of the little alien thing going on there.

1675
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 5: This this I really really really like this movie.

1676
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:33,239
Speaker 6: I think it's fun. I like that we got the

1677
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:38,279
creepers their intelligence and just the co habitual kind of

1678
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:42,159
relationship post the build up to the war and all that,

1679
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:44,199
and just so much going on with this movie that

1680
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:48,079
I was not expecting. And I'm I'm yeah, just it

1681
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:50,119
was a good time. It was a humble story, It

1682
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:52,680
was a great narrative, and it was just mixed with

1683
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:59,520
dark humor, dark comedy that just just works in a

1684
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,560
in a innocent kind of light.

1685
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,319
Speaker 5: And I think that this movie.

1686
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 6: Will, Yeah, it'll definitely leave a very strong mark on

1687
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:11,000
the film industry. And I hope that other directors can

1688
01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:13,159
get kind of inspired by this, and other story writers

1689
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:16,000
can kind of see this and think of ways to

1690
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:19,359
do more original content like this, because yeah.

1691
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: It's just it's that I think I think they they want.

1692
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,520
Speaker 1: The problem is many people can't go and win three

1693
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,760
Oscars and then they're like, yeah, here's a blank check,

1694
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,000
like you gotta you gotta get should.

1695
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,039
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not that easy.

1696
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 5: Three oscars.

1697
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, creative, original, creative doing dumb stupid ideas.

1698
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,199
Speaker 2: I p ideas only original.

1699
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 4: Only good ideas.

1700
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,319
Speaker 3: You know, H did rop a number, Taylor.

1701
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say nine point five.

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01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 3: Okay, damn, I should have let you go last. I'm

1703
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,760
gonna give it a nine out of ten. I really

1704
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:58,039
really love the movie. Second rewatch, I might not feel

1705
01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:01,439
so deterred by someone like cons in there. It's just, yeah,

1706
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,159
fresh off the first watch, there's there's a certain certain

1707
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:08,760
things that were that were I don't know hinted at

1708
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,479
with certain characters, like the Kai character. I just want

1709
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,800
a little bit more on I already highlighted one of one.

1710
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,600
Just more seventeen and eighteen mess around on the ship.

1711
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,880
I'll you know, we got the snow Piercer show. I'll

1712
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,439
take the Mickey seventeen show, which is more of those

1713
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,279
two buddy copping it up or whatever the hell they're

1714
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:24,880
doing problems.

1715
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: You're not getting Patterson, you're getting.

1716
01:14:26,199 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: Some other Yeah, definitely not. I think it's it's a

1717
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,319
lot lesser when you don't have someone to the quality

1718
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:34,880
of Pattinson. But there's there's some great actors.

1719
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: And I'll love Taylor, dude. I'll take Mickey seventeen. Can

1720
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:38,880
play both.

1721
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: Cage es like sort of avenue yea love the movie.

1722
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,199
It was great.

1723
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go, that's it. Awesome. We got lots

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:49,000
of stuff.

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01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,159
Speaker 1: We're always doing talking trailers, movie news on the newscast, whatnot.

1726
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:54,359
But our next big review from movie Wise isn't until

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01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,880
April eighteenth for Sinners, and Tam will be there for

1728
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,720
that one. But that's the next. But yeah, we don't

1729
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,000
have much summer. We're gonna be back summer. It's like

1730
01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:04,279
every fucking week we're there. But as of right now

1731
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:06,880
then is it for that? Thank you very much for

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01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,359
tuning in, let us know and discord YouTube wherever. Messages

1733
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,600
however you can let us know what you thought about it,

1734
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,560
or any critiques or any questions you have about this

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01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,119
particular review, So we thank you very much. Any pross

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when you hear froms next, it'll not be boring.

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Speaker 3: See you