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Speaker 2: This week on Softcore History, we are joined by the

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author of the social media detox tigue, Duly Panco, to

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talk about how social media scares are not unique to

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the twenty first century, but have in fact existed as

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long as the printing press. From scandalous pamphlets about witches

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to CD novels about romance, information has never not been

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dangerous to the youth and women in society. Enjoy the show.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Softcore.

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Speaker 2: History, What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I

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am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as

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always by Dan Jester.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on your show.

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Speaker 2: Rob, It's so good. It's always a pleasure. Now lately.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with Dan in twenty twenty five? Yeah,

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big things, big things, Rob golf bets, it doesn't matter. Okay,

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great things, better things coming down the pipeline. Sure, I

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want to keep it close to the best.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you don't want to tell the people there's

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there's a lot reason to.

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Speaker 1: Talk on a podcast, and no strong silence side.

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Speaker 2: Strong silent type plays well on the mic for sure.

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We are joined by a very special guest today and

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out of the box leftfield guests, not one of our regulars.

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 2: A woman of many talents, but she's here for one

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thing in particular. Tige Julie Panko. Yay, so happy to

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have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: Your resume is is? I was like kind of going

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over it.

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Speaker 1: I mean the name alone fills up a good bit

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of the resume.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot going up

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Speaker 2: Do people pronounce your name wrong a lot?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've heard it all. T Tiggy taj was

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one of my favorite iterations. Yeah, and sometimes I'm just like, yes,

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that sounds good. I do feel bad it's not really

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spelled phonetically correctly, so if if someone does say it wrong, like,

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it's not your fault.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: Is definitely more exotic.

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Speaker 2: I like, you're Brazilian. If I feel like, yeah, yeah,

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I mean it sounds like a singular named a mono

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named Brazilian soccer.

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Speaker 1: Player, at least racially ambiguous.

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Speaker 2: That too, Yeah, taj Is could be literally anyone from

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any part of the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, unbiguously cool. But you're here before you

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for the reason you're here. Yeah, I was gonna say, uh,

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just like thinking about your your sort of your resume

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or whatever. It's very impressive and vague eclectic. I feel like,

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because you are a former Laker girl, did you try

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out for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders? I did you want

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the show?

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 3: I was on the show. I was crying a lot

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on the show, and I made it to the last

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round and was cut. But then two weeks later tried

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out for Lakers and then god that worked out because

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Speaker 1: Probably for the best. I think the Cowboys cheerleaders make

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like ten thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: I think it's less than that. But you know, I'm

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super happy that I ended up in LA. I do

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love Dallas. It would have been so sick if that

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worked out. Yeah, it just didn't work out at the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, former Laker Girl, which, by the way, you parlayed

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into being a star of Winning Time on HBO.

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Speaker 3: When they announced that that show was happening, I was like,

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Speaker 1: Rejected by Dallas, moved on to La Yeah, you're the

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Luca Dogs.

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Speaker 3: Yes I am, thank you, Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Did you went to bigger and better?

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Speaker 3: And my paychecks don't look similar, but but yes, who does?

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Speaker 2: Yeah to Lucas and then uh, you also do a

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I feel like Lebron James is on your stories every day.

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But what I mean by that it's like Lebron James

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I have beaf with you already. Why me

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and Lebron have this thing that goes back to when

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Speaker 3: Happened? Did he beat you up?

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Speaker 1: I went to Lebron James Basketball Academy up his spirit?

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Speaker 2: He did?

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Speaker 1: He said, he squashed my soul?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, what happened.

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Speaker 1: Just stood up in front of the whole camp and

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he kind of clown me.

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Speaker 2: What did he say to you?

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Speaker 1: Again? They handed me the microphone, asked a question because

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of Q and A, and he's just like, nah, dog

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not you passed the mic. I forgot that.

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Speaker 3: So you didn't even get a question out?

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Speaker 1: No, as I you know, just sixteen, coming into my

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own you're here trying to figure out what I was

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in this world right about to ask my you know,

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to ask probably the most groundbreaking question.

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Speaker 2: Of that you've never heard before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, he just told me the past the

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mic and to sit my ass down.

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Speaker 3: You know what, that's a good story.

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Speaker 1: So now it's my life goal to tell Lebron James

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to sit down. I don't care I have to be

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a waiter, but I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: No, we figured out he's gonna have to be like

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an orderly in a hospital when Lebron is like ninety.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's not a bad way.

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Speaker 2: That's the only way, mister James. Take a seat, mister James,

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police back down. You're not healthy enough to get out

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of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing the long game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, play the long game.

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Speaker 2: And all you built like a hospital orderly, So yeah,

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that's all you need. He there's no training for it.

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Speaker 1: No, I just got to restrain and put.

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Speaker 2: On You don't even need to do it, just get

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a find out when he's in the hospital, put on

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the uniform.

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Speaker 1: One day, a ninety year old Lebron will still be

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hold and I'll also be older.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be like eighty four, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think I'll probably be in better shape by then.

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Speaker 3: I maybe, who knows, You'll probably still be playing in

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Speaker 2: So yeah, no joke. But your most recent thing that

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you've done is you're now an author. You wrote The

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Social Media Detox. I did, so let's just die it.

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Speaker 1: This is awkward? Why do you know how we make

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Speaker 3: I know it is a little bit ironic, and it's

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really ironic promoting it because obviously the only way I

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to meet the people where they are. So that's kind

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of what I've been saying, right, But.

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Speaker 2: Just pay someone to do it. You never check.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really I try to like compartmentalize it. And

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not stress about it being on social but you have

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Speaker 2: I mean, where else are you gonna stop ingesting the poison?

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place where people aren't addicted to heroin and try to

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get them unaddicted from heroin?

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Speaker 3: That's the It's like you gotta just you gotta just

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sneak in, right, yes, sneak attacks.

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, do you hate this? Do you want to quit?

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lot of you know, as we were discussing, I was

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in entertainment, and so much of my job and identity

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filling that void a lot, yeah, with social media. So

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Speaker 3: On the posting side, and just like because a lot I.

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because this is crazy. Like I'm like basing trips and

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finding solutions for myself. And then I started finding solutions

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for myself. And then I started talking to my nieces

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Speaker 4: Fucking in it in it.

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Speaker 2: That was the word. So I thought about this at

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remember me in high school and being like, I wonder

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if I suck, you know what I mean? Answer was

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there's almost a metric to be like, dude, you blow

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Speaker 3: Yes, isn't it crazy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And like yeah, I talked to a lot of people

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to some like high school principals and you know, middle

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school principles, and they were saying, like, you know, kids nowadays,

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like when we were growing up, if you had a bully,

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Speaker 2: For you, my dad was my bully.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair, But like now these kids, like these bullies

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come home with them and then they're in their pocket,

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you know, and they're like these this this stuff never ends,

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never ends, especially like these kids like before they're going

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through puberty. It's like so scary and dangerous and it's

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a it's a wild world we're living in and we

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just didn't know what we were doing, like handling these

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kids these weapons, and so now we have to.

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Speaker 1: Deal with it, and now we have to monetize Rob's kids. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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we like to just this. The world's not changing, Okay,

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we need to take advantage, we know, we.

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you had kids, and so they could work on your farm.

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Right now, they work the fields of your content farm. Abbit,

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Speaker 3: It's kind of sad like some of the like mommy

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it all leads to celebrity boxing for the kids. Yes,

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you event your child internet star and you eventually become

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extremely destitute at some point and fighting people for money

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on television almost feels progression. Yeah, yeah, like one one

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freak shill, right.

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today that that mirrors your your expertise here, what how

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long it takes you to write the book? Like when

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did You're like, I'm just gonna sit down and did

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you detox? And then you're like, oh that worked.

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of mindfulness exercises, okay, so like to get yourself like

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off of your phone. So yeah, I tried a bunch

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and then I started writing it probably like a year ago,

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and I have like changed it a million times, and

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like go in and like change something and then just

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Speaker 2: So oh that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, you didn't go to a wellness to retreat

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in like Costa Rica.

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't and I didn't do like ayahuasca hyahuasca.

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Speaker 4: I'm not. No, we would posted that.

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Speaker 2: I would actually immediately disinvite you off the steps if

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you had done ayahuaska like it. Can't do, can't do

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what that did?

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Speaker 3: Why not? You're scared of it? Are you scared of

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like what you're gonna find out about yourself?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't need to the demon within. He doesn't

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want on leave in.

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No one wants to see that I was a monster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've buried it so deep down.

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Speaker 1: Can they say, and all these drugs kind of kill

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the ego. No, I mean it kills one of the

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egos and then like a phoenix rising from the ashes

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because they much.

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Speaker 2: Ego. Yeah, so I'm keeping that monster in his cage

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for a long time. Maybe once the kids are out

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of high.

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Speaker 3: School, then you'll rebrand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they'll go to college, you'll divorce your wife. Well,

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it'll start dating a nineteen year old.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we can't predict the future.

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get like a Miata that has a soft top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely a soft top YadA. I'm a real I'm

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a real convertible guy, a sunshine guy too. I'm definitely

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not getting pieces.

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Speaker 1: Of maybe from I could see it hoopering on you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we'll see what this style is at

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the time. I just want to fit in with the kids.

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At that point, I can't predict what twenty forty one away.

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Speaker 1: Iranfully, you won't be able to grow any facial hair still,

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So no flavor, savor, no beer.

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be like be all drooped to nothing to distract it.

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But yeah, So one thing we like to talk about

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that amuses us a lot is how and this kind

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of plays into social media how like narcissistic? The present

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generation always is like the present generation, this one, last two, whatever,

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current three in particular, are always like, oh, what's happening

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to us is so unique, It's never happened before.

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Speaker 1: It's always the end of the world.

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is the end of the world. If you go look

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like through any time in the Middle Ages, every single

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generation was like, oh, Jesus is coming in like six years,

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don't you know that, Like the world is gonna end,

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Like the Turks are about to take Vienna, the world

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is over.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't try Let's just kind of kick back, see

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what happens.

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Speaker 2: But what's funny when you even like, uh, go through

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history at like a cursory glance, which is all we do.

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This is softcore history. It's not hardcore history, thank god?

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Speaker 2: You find very quickly that, as we like to say,

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shit don't change, right, And there's always a comp like

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it's there's always a situation where it's like, oh, people

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have gone through nearly this exact thing before, like a

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good one with right now everyone's kind of freaking about

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freaking out about AI, which is not wrong. But let's

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say it's the same type of stuff you heard not

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only during the industry revolution when things are getting automated

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and when things are getting automated, but also even like

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when writing was invented, people were like, oh, your people's

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brains won't work anymore because they're writing things down. They

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don't have to remember anything.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they were like, oh, writing is going to

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ruin the human brain.

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Speaker 1: Wow, or video games are ruining the youth. They used

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to be reading books, read in.

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Speaker 2: Books, which we are going to talk about today. God

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damn it. But yeah, yeah, spoiler, I guess the novel

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the novel panic. We'll get to that. That's probably the

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funniest thing.

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Speaker 1: We're so syncd up right now.

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Speaker 2: We're just yeah, we're locked in.

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Speaker 3: It's really nice to see.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. Two brains.

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Speaker 1: So this is actually produced. It's an AI podcast.

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Speaker 3: And you guys are robots.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is fun.

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Speaker 2: So one thing I assume you dealt with when you

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were writing it or think and even just thinking about

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it before you wrote your book or anything like that,

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is how relatively unique social media was, Like A, I'm

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sure you had this thought, like a humans aren't equipped

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for this sort of thing, this much information, absolutely, like

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it's not our monkey brains, like our literal monkey brains

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are not. We just walked out of the forest in

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terms of like geoloto geological timescale, We just fucking walked

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out of the forest. And now we have like a

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blue light in front of us giving us more information

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than some human beings would consume for their entire lives

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eight hundre years ago.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is, and it is. It's that none

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of what I just said is wrong. But what's fucked

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up is.

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Speaker 1: You weren't in Atlantis fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Thousand years ago. I don't know what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: You weren't in the five D. You don't know. I

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don't know where the great civilization fell. They were better

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than us, and we will repeat the history if we

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don't change our ways.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what we're doing here, changing the world, slowly

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but surely so. Social media yeah, certainly unique, but it

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is actually not obviously not the first time that I

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guess what you would call like democratized widespread information by

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the people for the people has happened. This is actually

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something that we touched on a little bit on your

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episode about that island a week or two ago, the High.

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Speaker 1: Brazil, Hi Brazili, Patreon.

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Speaker 2: This is actually what is affecting people. Certain things that

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are affecting people on social media is actually as old

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as the printing.

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Speaker 3: Press itself, right, I was thinking about that so.

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Speaker 1: In fourteen forty I always think about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just thinking newspapers.

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even though newspapers have been like dogshit through most of

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human history. We done a great did a great episode

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on that a couple of years ago about how people

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today are like, oh, the media is terrible. We're like meat.

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It's actually always been terrible. It's always been a red

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where it was like sophy and nice, but for the

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most part it's just been red. Like it really, we're

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actually just getting back to normal here.

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Speaker 1: Thinking kron Kite wasn't a sigh of.

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Speaker 2: But as soon as Gutenberg invented the printing press, the

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first form of social media almost immediately took hold, and

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it was arguably, and only because we've had enough time,

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hilariously more destructive than current social media. The invention of

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the printing press directly led to something called the pamphlet craze.

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So pamphlets are essentially analog Twitter, Love me a good pamphlet?

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Speaker 3: You know, yes, keep going, But I feel like I

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remember this in history class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like so Gutenberger vans spring press. Yeah, and it

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gets spread around and it's you know, it's a bitch technically,

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but way easier than it ever was before. And so

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immediately what happened.

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Speaker 1: That's all the gossip spreads. Though I remember Hamilton when

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they found out that he was cheating on his wife.

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Speaker 2: Pamphlets, pamphlets, pamphlet flets, pamphlets for centuries now. Eventually people

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got used to it and they stopped like freaking out

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about it. But the first two hundred years especially, pamphlets

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were like such. They were actually like new. There was

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nothing like this before. Before pamphlets came out where basically

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anyone could go to the old printer who will take

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your money no matter what, like yeah, here buy this

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cheap paper print whatever fucking crock pot ideas.

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Speaker 1: And you had to respond with your own pamphlet. It

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Speaker 2: It was tweeting. It was essentially tweeted. That's more of

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a Twitter animal it was like, but it was it was.

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It was like that on instcam to because you know

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a lot of people Instagram is not just like oh

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look at my beautiful vacation. People will share information, whether

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Speaker 1: Twitter's for Duncan on people. It's like, I I hate you,

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I hate your opinion. You're you're the opposition. I need

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to embarrass you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Twitter's for now, and that's what pamphlets

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were kind of always for. So I liked to I

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wrote this dramatically, so i'm's gonna read it verbatim.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: One could say that Johannes Gutenberg's preferred ink to print

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in was blood.

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Speaker 2: A lot of deaths came from this. Gutenberg's invention enabled

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cheap pamphlets. Pamphlets flooded throughout all of Europe, in every

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Western other country, spread ideas, gossip, propaganda, blah blahlah blah,

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the normal shit you see on social media now. And

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people were obsessed with it because it was written very colloquial, colloquially,

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you know, like in It wasn't like formal of the

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formal version of the language or Latin, which was a

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big thing at the time. It was just whatever shitty

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version of German or English they spoke it was. They

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could read it. It was on their level, you know what

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Speaker 1: I have the Eli Whitney effect where he thought it

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would make the world.

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Speaker 2: A better place, and it made it. Yeah, he was

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like the Eli Whitney was like, I'm invent the cotton gin,

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and that's going to like end slavery because we got

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this machine to do it. And then it somehow just

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made it much worse because they're like, oh, we need

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more people to get the cotton because this cotton gin

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so fucking good at deceating the cotton. Poor guy had

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his heart in the right place, right, but it didn't

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didn't go as plan. I don't even know that Gutenberg

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had a heart in the right place. He was just

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like I invented this. Here you go a fun of fit. Yeah,

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but uh, because God, because the only thing God loves

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more than his children is irony. What happened with this

475
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,559
first social media? And you know one of the worst

476
00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,599
things about social media now is you know, cancel bobs

477
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,759
or a thing, right, like people just pile on.

478
00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:16,519
Speaker 1: Not anymore, we're so bad.

479
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all this stuff, if you know, you get you

480
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,079
get shipped on for not being pure enough in whatever

481
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,440
group you're in, no matter what it is.

482
00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: Right, loose guy.

483
00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:28,559
Speaker 2: Right now, I can't even I haven't even I'm not

484
00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,920
doing another app, Like I'm just fucking I'm not social

485
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,000
media detox, but I'm not getting a fucking another one.

486
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,240
That's what I was like, Please make TikTok illegal.

487
00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: No, that's what I felt with TikTok. I'm just like

488
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,359
as soon as it started, I'm like, no, I've done

489
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,440
all the social media that I need to do. Yeah,

490
00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:42,799
I'm not.

491
00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: He is too good.

492
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 2: You go down a te hole.

493
00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 3: They know you better than they know me better than

494
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:51,240
that I know myself.

495
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 2: There are there are times I'll just think about something, yeah,

496
00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:55,119
and it'll come up.

497
00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? It's crazy? But I will say it

498
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:01,640
has changed recently. I don't feel like it's the same.

499
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,640
Like I'm not saying the same stuff, trying to be.

500
00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 2: More benevolent because they're still like, no, it's been a

501
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,519
holding pattern. Trump like, uh, he put it off. It's

502
00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:13,960
not It could still be made illegal and there are

503
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,119
a lot of people in both parties that do not

504
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,640
want it here. So my personal assumption is that it's

505
00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:19,880
probably going to be gone.

506
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows that.

507
00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 2: Would be mine. I hope it does. I just don't

508
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:23,920
want it anymore.

509
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

510
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: I like reels too.

511
00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:27,599
Speaker 3: Do you think you just can't get a you can't

512
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,519
produce a good TikTok.

513
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,559
Speaker 2: Is that why you're that's probably I'm not.

514
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: We haven't figured out the attraction, TikTok.

515
00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:33,759
Speaker 2: The youngs hate us.

516
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:35,279
Speaker 1: We really do.

517
00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:38,319
Speaker 3: You guys need is a few viral clips and you're good.

518
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,559
I know, right, I mean I'm saying that like I've

519
00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:44,119
done that. I haven't done that. Well, some comedy stuff

520
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,839
has okay, yeah, some stand up stuff, but I haven't

521
00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:48,599
gotten into They.

522
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: Hate podcast clips all all the social media platforms hate

523
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,359
podcasts as soon as they see a microphone in front

524
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,640
of your face. Like no, absolutely not, like maybe if

525
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,039
there's a famous person on there. Yeah, but like it

526
00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,079
was just us too. Yeah, I think we. I think

527
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,759
we like maxed out at like ten thoughts.

528
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: Well I need to do is pop top and just

529
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,799
steal every workout from bodybuilding dot com. Yeah, and then

530
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,000
just repost it as my own.

531
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: I would say, get on the gap. Actually you you

532
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,720
were a fitness instructure too. I think we're here.

533
00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah it was, Yeah, what can he do to?

534
00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: You should start jumping on a trampoline.

535
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: I love a trampoline.

536
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, great workout. Not enough people are doing it online.

537
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,519
Really good for you.

538
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,799
Speaker 1: Getting slam ball, bring back my basketball career.

539
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,599
Speaker 3: That's a good idea. You can make it competitive.

540
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to watch someone in slam ball shoot threes.

541
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna change the game. I'm gonna be

542
00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:37,079
the Steph Curry of slam ball.

543
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,279
Speaker 2: There is no dunking, just all threes from a trampoline

544
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:41,119
eighty feet away.

545
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,599
Speaker 1: I would do that in NBA jam, the old school game. Yeah, people,

546
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:48,200
it would infuriate every college roommate I had, like, you

547
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,039
can't threes and.

548
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 2: Jam, Like, no, I'm just doing that. So here's the

549
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,079
funny thing about the pamphlet craze. Yeah, is so like

550
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,920
I said, you know, there's cancel mobs coming on and

551
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,559
all this stuff. What do we call that? What's a

552
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,440
like a term for that? A witch hunt? Right?

553
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: You?

554
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: Witch hunted on social media? They want to look for

555
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:10,720
you whatever. The pample craze literally created witch hunts. No really, yeah,

556
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,880
that the direct result of the printing press was witch hunts.

557
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,079
The witch hunt explosion in Europe happened as soon as

558
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,799
pamphlets started being printed. Over the course of the next

559
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,319
three hundred years, there are no Salem witch trials without

560
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:29,480
the pamphlet craze. There are no uh whatever. The other

561
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,160
witch trials in England where for at the name of

562
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,319
or and everywhere in Europe, literally everywhere in Europe pamphlets.

563
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: I think Germany one year burned like nine hundred witches.

564
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and witches were just people, by the way.

565
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know that.

566
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,599
Speaker 2: We don't know how many real witches we got. I

567
00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:48,960
think it was mostly people, but.

568
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: I think we got a few, just by the sheer numbers.

569
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: One would have to think it seems out racist to

570
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,559
say we got no witches.

571
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would hope at that point, because that's bad.

572
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:01,839
Speaker 2: So one of the things pamphlets did. So pamphlets again,

573
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,759
they were for the common people. And this is the

574
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:06,720
type of thing where like I normally am very like, yeah,

575
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,759
like liberty by the people for the people, like everyone

576
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:11,720
deserves the voice, and then you read something like this

577
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,079
and you're just like, oh, man, I might be really

578
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,880
classist after reading this, like this is awful.

579
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:20,759
Speaker 1: Because you always feel about what you just stare at

580
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,359
me and you're like.

581
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: They essentially all these pamphlets did was appeal to the

582
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,279
lowest common denominator and what gets people excited, right, dark shit,

583
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:37,160
sexual shit, conspiracy theories, which whitches, witches, witches, and that

584
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,000
ship played emediately not only that now, which is we're

585
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,440
already a thing right like people thought, which is what

586
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:49,359
it was mostly held to clergy and and sort of

587
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,720
like anyone running a city or running a country or

588
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,119
a church or whatever. It was mostly held like kept

589
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,640
to them. They had knowledge of what a witch might be,

590
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,680
and you know, witch trials and start with pamphlets, but

591
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:08,880
they exploded with pamphlets because they essentially told everyone about

592
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,160
what witches were and.

593
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: Very much what they were just describing a woman.

594
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, more or less. Yeah, but like a single woman.

595
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 3: A single woman with a hat on a cat and

596
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,240
a hat.

597
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: It was really hard to get a divorce back then,

598
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,279
so it's much easier to just say.

599
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: It was a witch. Yeah, yeah, be like, take such

600
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,599
a bitch, you might be a.

601
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:27,759
Speaker 4: Witch, probably a witch.

602
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: And I'm going to put it in the printing poison

603
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:29,839
in my food.

604
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm yeah, you get you tell some guy like

605
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,200
you're not interested at the pub and yeah, he takes

606
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,519
two cents to the printing.

607
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Press the next day and as I'm a witch.

608
00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah he saw you p had a cat, five and

609
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,039
five other people saw you pet that cat. Too on

610
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:43,839
the way out of the pub.

611
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:50,759
Speaker 1: You're a slippery slow Hey wow, we still have those technically,

612
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,119
h there's female Facebook pages for dating and apps. It's like,

613
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,200
are we diding the same guy?

614
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,759
Speaker 3: My favorite? Have you guys seen them?

615
00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: I have not?

616
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: What, Oh it's so good. You've never heard of this, rob.

617
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: No.

618
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:04,759
Speaker 1: Girls will just post your regardless whether or not you're

619
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:05,880
an honorable man or not.

620
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: If you got nothing to hide, man, that's fine.

621
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:11,039
Speaker 1: But yeah, they'll talk shit.

622
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,799
Speaker 3: Girls will post like a picture of a guy on

623
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,000
that maybe they matched with or maybe they've gone on

624
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,400
some dates with on the like are we dating the

625
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,079
same guy? And like each city has their own, so

626
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,599
like La has a big one, and like they'll be like, hey,

627
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:25,200
I went on a few dates with this guy, like

628
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,119
I think things are getting serious. Just want to make

629
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,160
sure he's not taken. Like four girls, yeah, four girls.

630
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,640
In the comments, we'll be like I know that guy,

631
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,359
like I'm dating him too, or like whatever, and like

632
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,920
that's how its like, and that's how it goes down.

633
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: These girls are potstairs. They don't even talk to that man.

634
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,319
Speaker 3: It's the pamphlets, yeah, yeah, yeah, some of them are bots.

635
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Some of them are just trying to stir up some people.

636
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: Or just like troll. They're just like, yeah, I know him,

637
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:48,319
I know him.

638
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: He was at my house last night.

639
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been dead him for four years.

640
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like Maury, but like on Facebook perfect Oh.

641
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, take out any producers or even like whatever minimal

642
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,480
fact Morey did. It's just by a committee, by a

643
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:04,039
committee of.

644
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: And why would this stranger people? Yeah, why why would

645
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,480
they lie? I'm gonna take her word for it.

646
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,799
Speaker 2: It's just funny. I guess they just what I'm saying,

647
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,079
throw dynamite into a pod.

648
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: Every girl that posts there and she gets responses is

649
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,160
just gonna immediately trust whatever that girl says.

650
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is weird. Have you been posted?

651
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: I've never been posted, But are you sure?

652
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

653
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: Well, actually I don't know, but I know of the groups.

654
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,319
Speaker 2: What was a man? There was a fucking thing when

655
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:33,519
we worked at TFM. You were probably in college. There

656
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,400
was an app that literally just rated men, like all

657
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
men were on it. Yeah, and it was like I

658
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,559
remember everything from like nice good in bed, like there

659
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:46,079
was like a star like I think it was like it.

660
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,039
Speaker 1: Wasn't I think it was called like Lulu.

661
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: I remember hearing.

662
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: About it, but I never, like, I never actually saw

663
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,599
it in practice.

664
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,079
Speaker 1: I was actually posted on that.

665
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,759
Speaker 4: I was too did you guys do?

666
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: What was your reading?

667
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: I had a good rating because all the girls that

668
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,119
worked at Total Sorority Move were like, we're trotting all

669
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,160
your shit out in front of everyone right now, just

670
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,400
to like shame us in the office. And I was like, but.

671
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,359
Speaker 1: This was happening when I was in college. When we

672
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,200
were in school, they had Lulu and I just had

673
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,880
all my female friends just like hype me up.

674
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was Lu. I think it was

675
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:21,400
Lulu Wow. And it was like that feels illegal, hyper invasive.

676
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that feels wrong, and like you could probably see

677
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:25,680
someone for defamation.

678
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:27,319
Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't exist anymore.

679
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,519
Speaker 1: There was collegiate ACB. There was Yak yak. There was

680
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,359
all these apps where you could just talk shit anonymously.

681
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:34,119
Speaker 2: Like hyper anonymously.

682
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: Yik yak is mean, I don't remember yak was that

683
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:37,640
like Reddit?

684
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: Actually? You know it was weird? Is that? Uh? Yik

685
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,480
Yak wasn't big at Mazoo. It was there was that

686
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:45,759
one that was just at Maszoo. It was really big.

687
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Was a collegiate ac big Rounder or something like that

688
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,319
or I don't even remember. It was a mazo kid

689
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,599
invented it like a bunch. I remember, like I knew

690
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,759
guys that were still in school and they were like, yeah,

691
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,119
we use this for everything. I was like, what the

692
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,759
fuck is this?

693
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,279
Speaker 3: Wow? Schools yeah, chap, but wow.

694
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was very odd.

695
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: A lot of it though, was Greek left just talking

696
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,000
shit on each other.

697
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,279
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, which was nice until.

698
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,039
Speaker 1: These fucking houses are a bunch of squids.

699
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: I remember one time I just start dating this girl

700
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
and a thread came up on whatever Missoo's version of

701
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,799
that was, and it was like who the ugliest couples

702
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,279
in Greek Town? And someone put our names on. It's like,

703
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:25,920
what the fuck?

704
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the pamphlets, I know they got you again.

705
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: It was fucking pamphleteers.

706
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: Damn. That's bad out for like a day because I

707
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:34,000
never shop.

708
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,319
Speaker 3: It was really upsetting.

709
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,039
Speaker 4: Do that do that right?

710
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,119
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sometimes you have ops and you just don't know,

711
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:43,400
and like on an app like that, you will find

712
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:43,920
out quickly.

713
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,359
Speaker 1: I know when I'm getting you and Courtney for the

714
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880
baby shower. What a print out of that couple of

715
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,200
shirts ugliest couple at Miszoo. It wasn't Courtney, so we

716
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,960
wouldn't date at Missoo still applies Courtney.

717
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:59,079
Speaker 2: Both went Courtney's sorority sister, but it wasn't Courtney.

718
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,279
Speaker 1: So it was Yeah, I'm sure that's a fun conversation

719
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:03,039
now with your wife.

720
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: She doesn't care married her. Yeah, and we didn't like

721
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,000
cheat or anything. We met. It was like years later.

722
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,920
It was a very lot of Kapa Kapa Gamma drapa.

723
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,039
Speaker 3: Oh God, chose a kappa? Yeah, me too?

724
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,799
Speaker 2: What boom? Yeah, yeah, she's a zoo kappa.

725
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like already at my school, they're the

726
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,039
Krispy Kreme girls.

727
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,839
Speaker 3: Krispy Kreme Girls. No, that's rude.

728
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,359
Speaker 2: I know. I'm not saying did you write that on

729
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,920
your pamphlet, but it was.

730
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:33,799
Speaker 1: Probably on the Collegiate ACB website.

731
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: Wow, you would have gotten some down votes for saying that.

732
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:37,559
Speaker 2: I know.

733
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I'm just reporting the truth.

734
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,839
Speaker 3: Cream girls. You know what, Honestly, that's a fun group

735
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680
to be though, even if you're the Christy Creme Girls,

736
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,079
that sounds like they have a good time.

737
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: They were fun.

738
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: I think it was just Kapa Kapa grandma, Oh.

739
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: Kapa Kapa Grandma was, and you know what, I wore

740
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,359
that proudly. I was like, yeah, like, what are you

741
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,799
talking about. We're all overachievers and we like work.

742
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,359
Speaker 2: Hard, modest and like fairly like modest. Yeah, like shit

743
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,079
like not you know, I like just blast in Eliza

744
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:07,799
cocaine on the bar Big twelve or.

745
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: The vibe.

746
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was not at all. Yeah, it's fine, oppos.

747
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,559
Speaker 1: There was no reason for us to throw stones from

748
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:19,400
our glass house either, were uf was a bunch of goobs.

749
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,359
Shall all my brother's lessening right now? I appreciate you.

750
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: So. One of the big things about this pamphlet that

751
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680
helped the witch trials explode was that it kind of

752
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,319
standardized what to look for in a witch. Right, Okay,

753
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160
so in much the same way I guess people might

754
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,039
be annoyed at social media Instagram in particular, TikTok probably

755
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,440
too for maybe like this goes back to magazines even

756
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,359
but like standardizing beauty or whatever. Yeah, I mean kind

757
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:51,160
of like the trends get really narrow and stuff like that. This, Yeah,

758
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,880
the standardized witches. So everyone knew what a fucking witch was. Wow,

759
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,200
and boy were they excited to go hunting for them.

760
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: I do you have a question before we move on.

761
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Was there any sort of men that were being accused

762
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,599
of being which is a verse?

763
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: They ever read the Cricible Witch?

764
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: No?

765
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Yes, the main character in the Crucible is a man

766
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:12,559
that is accused of being a witch.

767
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,839
Speaker 3: Really so okay, I was I was just John.

768
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,319
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, this is actually not in my notes,

769
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,240
but I did read this. Uh so I'm glad I

770
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:26,480
remembered it. A lot of the female witch stereotype is

771
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,720
mostly confined to the Anglo world. Okay, so like English,

772
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,279
like England and then all Dutchess kind of like Anglo

773
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,880
adjacent and so like England, the Netherlands, and there's one

774
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,319
other country I forgot what it was where it was

775
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,480
like ninety percent women being accused and stuff like that. However,

776
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,119
France was pretty fifty to fifty. Uh Eastern Europe was

777
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,680
mostly men. I think Germany might have been pretty fifty

778
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,119
to fifty two. But we because it's our culture, Heaven especially,

779
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:58,400
and because we did mostly persecute women like our specific

780
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,799
like sort of sphere of culture back then. That's why

781
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,160
it sticks with us.

782
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Although our favorite witch from the Salem Witch Trials was

783
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:07,920
an old man.

784
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: That got crushed to death by rocks. Yeah, so most

785
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,320
witches and the Salem witch trials got hanged, but there

786
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960
was one man who was the husband of a witch

787
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,960
who I think had already been executed. I'm not sure

788
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,559
she definitely did get executed. So were like you're a

789
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:23,920
witch too, aren't you, buddy? And he was like he's

790
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,440
just old and crotchety, and he's like he's like old.

791
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,199
He's like no, and they're like, just admit it so

792
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,719
we can hang you. And he was and like it'll

793
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,400
be a peaceful ish death, and they're like, he's like,

794
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,079
I'm not a witch.

795
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,639
Speaker 1: So every time he denied it, they put another rock on.

796
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Him and he was eventually crushed to death. But he

797
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,639
was just too old and angry to admit it. Well

798
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,599
because he wasn't and he was like I'm not admitting this.

799
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,599
Speaker 1: Fuck you guy. He's the most metal man of all time.

800
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,039
Speaker 3: Actually, so crazy because like they were none of them

801
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,679
were witches, were normal people. We were just like, you're

802
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
there's no way to prove that, like that's insane. Do

803
00:34:58,039 --> 00:34:59,840
you think we can get to like that type of

804
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:01,559
of today?

805
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,079
Speaker 1: Yes?

806
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: What would it be? People are?

807
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: Who knows? Maybe eventually when AI gets better.

808
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,639
Speaker 4: Just accused, it's like being a robot.

809
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,639
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you're like you're a robot, you're synth, you're synthetic,

810
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,079
you're Oh my gosh.

811
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Is that there's also you're gonna be able to just

812
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:23,199
create video evidence that isn't real, right, Yeah, yeah.

813
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:27,559
Speaker 2: Rob killed all those dogs. Slaughter wasn't even near a

814
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,599
dog today, like getting did.

815
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: What a crazy world it would be, and it probably

816
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,800
will be at some point where like it's really difficult

817
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,000
to tell what's real and what's not. I mean even now,

818
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,320
like Instagram, like, there are like influencers like.

819
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,559
Speaker 1: Hot ai answers.

820
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: That are AI like and they look real.

821
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,639
Speaker 2: We'll check it out. You can tell that same fucking

822
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,039
thing was happening then, because I love this podcast, they

823
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
would put a lot of time for the witches. These

824
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:55,920
dumb dumbs wouldn't even read, even though I was actually

825
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,800
shocked to learn that the literacy rate in England sixteen

826
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,880
thirty was like seventy percent. That would not have guess.

827
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: But back to your point, though, there's AI influencers now

828
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,440
that have only fans.

829
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: How what are they doing? I'm the only fans.

830
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: Dude just makes images, just makes fake images and images money.

831
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,199
There's some that there's are like big AI accounts. It's weird.

832
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,760
I don't understand why you would follow it.

833
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: I respectful. That is just ethically sourced pornography.

834
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,559
Speaker 1: That's a dude, that's hustling.

835
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: I mean that is ethically sourced.

836
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,199
Speaker 1: Who's getting hurt Nobody?

837
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, except all the women in the world that are

838
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,679
now being compared to a robot. But that's fine, So

839
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,320
that's cool, yeah, or being replaced, Like I don't know

840
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,840
if you guys, I don't want a tangent too much,

841
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,280
but have you guys seen the stories about men who

842
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,000
have started dating these like chatbots or like ben in

843
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,840
or getting in relationships physical relationships with.

844
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: Like actual robots the movie.

845
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: Physical Relationships Relationships with physical robots. So like it's like

846
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,400
replacing common people. Yeah, which I don't you know that glo,

847
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,719
some of those guys can At.

848
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: What point I don't wanna get to. Uh. I don't

849
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,800
know how like X rated your sense of humor is,

850
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,920
But at what point would uh see if you you're married,

851
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,840
you walk it on your husband and he's with a robot,

852
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,039
but it is it's a machine, Like what what point

853
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,000
is like flashlight versus like, Hello, my name is Helen.

854
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,159
I am a robot.

855
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird, right, Like, I don't know. I mean

856
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,079
in a way, it's not even that offensive because it's like, well,

857
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:35,960
we can put her in the closet, Like, it doesn't

858
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,440
really she's not really doing much.

859
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: I think they're making robots now too that have to consent, which.

860
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,079
Speaker 4: Seems to defeat Uh.

861
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, is that just like a for their own Like.

862
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it's just for like them. Like, we're

863
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,519
not going to totally mess up everybody, right right, We're

864
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:55,199
going to make sure they know how to ask.

865
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: Still, now, what if you do? What do you do

866
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,960
when you put the robot in the closet and you

867
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,840
can clearly hear it, meaning in the middle of the.

868
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,599
Speaker 3: Night, Now, that would be a problem. I think I

869
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,880
burned the house down. I think that's when I moved

870
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,320
to another country and burn the house down.

871
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't stay where that robot is.

872
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,679
Speaker 3: No, no, then starts choosing the robot over you. I

873
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:17,960
think that's gonna that would be.

874
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I just feel it's kind of a thing now, right,

875
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,480
dudes just kind of choose porn over their wives. I

876
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,639
wouldn't know you wouldn't know, no, but that is a

877
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,760
big problem. I think with a lot of relationships, dudes

878
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,039
get too addicted to porn. Just their wife is like, hey.

879
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,199
Speaker 2: Maybe later, Well there's a lady right there.

880
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,199
Speaker 1: I know, but if there their wives just not into them,

881
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,840
there's like final, just go to the shower.

882
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:42,599
Speaker 2: That's grim.

883
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: It's very grim.

884
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: That's grim. But I do feel like, I mean, I

885
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,920
feel like that's been happening for a long time.

886
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: It's getting progressively worse.

887
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:51,519
Speaker 2: I mean laptops.

888
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I have said, like I feel like guys

889
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
are just not even dating girls anymore. Like a lot

890
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,599
of guys in LA like don't even feel the need

891
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,679
to go out because they have all these things at

892
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,800
their fingertips, Like they can just go home, feel entertained,

893
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,920
video game, right, and then you know, like and feel

894
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,480
like they have some sort of connection with something.

895
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,159
Speaker 2: So the dating scene feels very grim in a lot

896
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,239
of way. Like I've not done it obviously, but I'll

897
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,199
like talk to friends who are still single and stuff

898
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:16,400
like that.

899
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, good lord, it's bad because you know, we all

900
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,440
know that we have these you know, these apps that

901
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,280
it's like one thing goes wrong, you're like well, I

902
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:25,840
got a few.

903
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: Was that part of your book too? The dating apps?

904
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,119
Speaker 3: Part of the book is getting off of dating apps?

905
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,039
But I don't really dive into it too much, just

906
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,400
because I wanted to keep it. Yeah, kind of more

907
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:39,360
like you could kind of apply this to a lot

908
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,400
of different things. But but you know, it's definitely a problem.

909
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: I mean it feels that I was only on it

910
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,800
like a little bit, Like I started acording twenty fifteen,

911
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,840
so I was on Tinder probably three four years to

912
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:52,960
Hinge Tender like.

913
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 4: Two three years, three four years something like that, Okay.

914
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: And it was just like, no, I didn't I never

915
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,639
even liked it, like I it better like.

916
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: At a bar, right, that's what you want, you know, literally,

917
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,159
but now nobody can do Nobody can have a social

918
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,559
conversation in a bar. That's the problem, correct, So they

919
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:10,519
have to use the app.

920
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: The easiest way though on the apps, though, is you

921
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,960
don't know how to do that anymore. You have to

922
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,639
act unhinged, like you stick out.

923
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: Okay, now you gotta explain what.

924
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: You mean, act like you're almost a sociopath.

925
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: What what what's your line?

926
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 3: That's a you could go either way.

927
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: I always had like the most successful ass because I

928
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,480
always had like weird, crazy, funny answers, and I feel

929
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,159
like that just sticks out compared to what's on the apps.

930
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,159
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's better than like haa, I

931
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,280
don't know, like pizza, pizza, sweet pizza. Yeah.

932
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Guys have to be more creative. Girls can just

933
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,239
be like I like a spa day. It doesn't really matter,

934
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,320
like I love you, Yeah, that's yeah.

935
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,159
Speaker 2: Do you like dinner?

936
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,199
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, But guys do have to get creative. I agree,

937
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,679
being funny on the apps is.

938
00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:04,119
Speaker 2: A huge key, so oh fun statye. These pamphlets led

939
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,039
to one hundred to two hundred thousand people being officially

940
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,920
tried as witches over the course like two three hundred years.

941
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,480
And by tried, I mean no, no, no, no, those are

942
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,639
just tried. But if you were tried, you were tortured.

943
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
That's how they got any confession basically was torture, or

944
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,360
at least threat of torture, like they'll start heating up

945
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,559
the iron and being like you a witch? Are you?

946
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,239
It's coming?

947
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: But how did they actually decide because again, as we've discussed,

948
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,679
it's really just a human, So how do they distinguish.

949
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: So at some point, you know how like you hear

950
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,519
now or here's a great example. You know, police will

951
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:45,079
have a speeding ticket quotas, right you witch quotas. You know,

952
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,400
you gotta find a witch. Someone told you, the bishop

953
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,159
told you to find a witch.

954
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:50,079
Speaker 3: You can find a witch, right right?

955
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: Like ship rolls downhill, lady, I'm sorry, like you're on

956
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,880
fire or I'm on fire.

957
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,679
Speaker 1: You're a little too ugly for this town. Sorry, you

958
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,119
gotta go.

959
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,639
Speaker 2: You were a little to that guy who I agree

960
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,880
sucks but he reported you and nasty around.

961
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,679
Speaker 1: You're a woman, that's it. Yeah, you know, time's not

962
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:13,199
great for you.

963
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: But what's crazy? So back to the AI thing. So

964
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,559
a lot of these dumb dumbs, even though they could read,

965
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:23,559
still were most enchanted or convinced by the A lot

966
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,960
of it would be called wood cuttings because essentially you

967
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,800
would draw it on the wood ink paper, right, so

968
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,119
it's woodcut and it would be let me just find

969
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,239
like a witch wood cutting. It would be obviously the

970
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:40,960
most dog shit drawing possible. But they would see it

971
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,159
and be like, oh, I think that's Sarah. That looks

972
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:48,800
exactly like Sarah. Here she is, look at it. That's

973
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,239
that's what Sarah looks like.

974
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, that's definitely Sarah.

975
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: That's Sarah. So boom, Like I mean the pictures alone.

976
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,559
They would see those pictures, those pictures and be like,

977
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,639
oh my god, that happened. Look, how could you draw

978
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:05,599
it if it didn't happen?

979
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,639
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

980
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: All thanks to this brand new, wonderful social media. Yeah,

981
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,320
that created witch hunts and all kinds of other weird shit.

982
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,360
There were some other fun ones, so I'll get to

983
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,800
these before we get to the novel panic real quick,

984
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:26,800
because there were some I don't know, lighthearted's quite the

985
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,679
right word, but like some pamphlets were more fun.

986
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 3: Than they were. Did they have parties? Did they? There

987
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,400
was like bread word on that.

988
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: So there was one like meme pamphlet, pamphlet that I

989
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,880
really enjoyed that it sounds like memes. Basically, it's called

990
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,000
the Fifteen Joys of Marriage. Again to to show you

991
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,159
how much like social media this was. So imagine you know,

992
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,199
like today people make a caption or they make a meme.

993
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,880
Like a meme in particular is almost like it's dry

994
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,280
and it means the opposite of what it says type

995
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,400
of thing. So The fifteen Joys of Marriage was the

996
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,960
late fourteen hundreds. It was in France, and it was

997
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,880
a sarcastic guide to how great being married was essentially,

998
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,760
and this was mind blowing humor at the time.

999
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: That's funny, and we know the French value marriage.

1000
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, right, they were like, oh, the

1001
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,400
joys of marriage include like the wife cheating on you

1002
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,440
with the town priest, or the fact that your husband

1003
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:21,960
is impotent. These are all the joys of like the

1004
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:26,320
that's hilarious, sarcastic joys of marriage. So they were funny, yeah, exactly,

1005
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,039
they were fun or like also stuff that like either

1006
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,079
the husband or the wife was like bad and bad,

1007
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,239
all kinds of stuff like that. So there was like

1008
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,000
a there were also like meme pamphlets.

1009
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:38,159
Speaker 3: Essentially, I didn't think people were funny back then, right,

1010
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:40,519
Like that's pretty hilarious.

1011
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: This is the thing that we always underestimate people in

1012
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,800
the past, right, which we talk about all the time.

1013
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,000
It's like but it's always.

1014
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: They had nothing else going on. They had to be funny, right,

1015
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,440
you have to keep yourself entertained.

1016
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. There were also other ones, like the Ship of Fools,

1017
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,960
which was made in fourteen ninety four. It was also

1018
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:02,559
sort of a meme situation. It just basically was like

1019
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,159
a boat full of morons, and every moron was essentially

1020
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:09,400
like a different type of person who lived in your city,

1021
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,920
essentially like a drunk, corrupt priest who was like hooking

1022
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,159
up with a nun. And it would make fun of

1023
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:20,480
like town idiots eating shoes or fighting pigs whatever they

1024
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,519
thought was funny, I guess. But another meat is like

1025
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,840
a meme pamphlet that's hilariously. It wasn't all terrible, even

1026
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,039
though sixty thousand women or sixty thousand people, I should

1027
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:32,880
say probably most women, but sixty thousand people were executed

1028
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,960
across Europe thanks to their first version of social media.

1029
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,519
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm actually surprised it didn't start a war.

1030
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,199
Speaker 2: It probably did. It almost certainly did, because they were

1031
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,679
also super political and stuff like that. And what was

1032
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,519
interesting with these pamphlets, much like Twitter in particular, but

1033
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,760
I think Instagram too. You can take this at this point,

1034
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,199
is that it would the royal courts and the kings

1035
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,320
and stuff like that. It would put pressure on them

1036
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,159
because they'd be like, dude, people are eating this fucking

1037
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:01,079
pamphlet up. Yeah, how the Germans are assholes and we

1038
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,400
might need to do like the people keep reading these pamphlets,

1039
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,159
and either they had two choices. It was go arrest

1040
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:09,039
the pamphleteer and put them in jail so that they

1041
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:10,800
don't have to go do something they didn't want to do,

1042
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,800
or cave in basically and go, you know, if I

1043
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,760
don't do whatever political thing they had to do, because

1044
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,599
the people were eating up these like essentially shitty Twitter threads, right,

1045
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,079
you know what I mean, or.

1046
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry you advocating for censorship.

1047
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,199
Speaker 2: Kind of after like dude, research of this again, it's

1048
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,559
just like I don't know if we can be trusted.

1049
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,079
Speaker 3: Right, I mean it looks like a slippery slope. People

1050
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:42,079
were being accused of being witches, right, how could that?

1051
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,000
That feels like something that could happen again.

1052
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, a new like you said, like a new version

1053
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,119
like oh you're a bot or something like that. Yeah. Absolutely.

1054
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:50,960
And what's funny is though you know they got a

1055
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,800
handle on it after like three hundred years they figured

1056
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,440
it out, Yeah, they kind of, but pamphlets were still

1057
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,280
basically up until I would say, probably like call it

1058
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,679
post civil war, like what do.

1059
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,159
Speaker 3: We think like newspapers replaced it.

1060
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think pamphlets are still really big in the

1061
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,639
lead up to like the US Civil War, Like it

1062
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,960
was a way for people. It's like they were like

1063
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,360
a combination of like having your own Twitter or having

1064
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,960
a blog or something like that. But it's your way

1065
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,559
to get information out, whatever fucking crackpot information you had.

1066
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1067
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: Actually, our episode Lincoln's favorite hate read. There was this

1068
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,360
guy who in the US pre Civil War, who Lincoln

1069
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,719
had lost his congressional seat in the eighteen forties and

1070
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,559
was pretty dejected about it and was like, I don't

1071
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,239
know If'm gonna go back into politics like it was,

1072
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,400
I don't know. It just sucks at loss. This blows.

1073
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:46,320
And this guy was just like a lunatic in the

1074
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,800
South somewhere, and he was like, not only do I

1075
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,800
love slavery, we need more slaves. And not only do

1076
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,519
we need more He's like I'm not even just talking

1077
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:59,119
about black people, I think that most people should be slaves.

1078
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:02,519
Speaker 1: The Irish, like theag I had Welcome.

1079
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:03,199
Speaker 3: To corporate Amerae.

1080
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: So Lincoln read this that he was like, god damn it,

1081
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,519
and they got him back into politics. I hate read it.

1082
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:15,760
But this guy was essentially self publishing. I would say,

1083
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,559
somewhere between a blog and and akin to your self

1084
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:21,360
published book. Kind of type of situation, you know what

1085
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,239
I mean, but kind of a hodgepodge of that. Wow,

1086
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,000
And it got so they were pamphlets were were really, really,

1087
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:33,400
really big up until I think newspapers really got industrialized

1088
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,079
post Civil War and became kind of so big and

1089
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:40,280
so cheap and so prevalent that pamphlets were not quite

1090
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:40,840
what they were.

1091
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: Do you know where how were people getting them? Were

1092
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,199
they just blowing in the wind and people were snatching

1093
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,719
the corner selling them.

1094
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,039
Speaker 2: They were or they would post just uh they would selling.

1095
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,360
But you know, you sell one and like eight people

1096
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,960
go to read it. There's a circulation and their secondary circulation. Okay,

1097
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:00,840
But if it was really big situation, like if people

1098
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,960
really wanted their ship out.

1099
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,559
Speaker 3: There, yeah, okay, wow. Interesting.

1100
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: So another one was the pamphlet was the Devil's Bagpipes.

1101
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:14,840
That would show this is anti Catholic. We we're both Catholic,

1102
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,880
so we love anti K. We love anti Catholics. That's

1103
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,719
the funniest thing in the world. Like anti K just

1104
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,119
people thinking the pope is a wizard.

1105
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: Basically yeah, ever since Vatican two.

1106
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,679
Speaker 2: Yes, it would have like the pope and monks playing

1107
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,559
bag bag pipes that like poop was coming out of

1108
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:34,159
so people weren't exactly everyone loved poop jokes back then.

1109
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: By the ways, it's Frankie dead. No, it's still live, kie,

1110
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,760
frank still alive for now. Okay, Yeah, I'm excited for

1111
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,360
a conclave.

1112
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: So the other thing, there was a second social media

1113
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,559
panic of sorts. It came about two hundred years after

1114
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:55,320
the pamphlet craze, and this is probably more I think,

1115
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,280
akin in some ways to what your book deals with,

1116
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,159
in that people get very lost in social media. R. Yeah,

1117
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,440
I did date this one girl right before Courtney, who uh,

1118
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,960
I was like the only dude she never posted about

1119
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:12,639
what like in terms of like every other guy she

1120
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,840
dated and including her current husband, this bitch who she

1121
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,960
would post about constantly like oh it's just so great,

1122
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,360
just special. And then like I was like I didn't

1123
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,480
know it at the time because I didn't pay attention,

1124
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,280
but like looking back now, I'm like, boy, I don't

1125
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,360
think I ever got to post like this.

1126
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're half of the ugliest couple of Miszoo.

1127
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:35,119
You're dragging her down. Dude, the engagement is gonna tank.

1128
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 3: But no, that I mean that is the big problem

1129
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,039
with social media is a lot of these like I mean,

1130
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,119
all of us. It feels like a sense of community, right,

1131
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,000
it feels like you're connected to something. It feels like

1132
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:45,960
you're like a part of something. It feels like you're

1133
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:48,360
up to date. It feels like you're informed, but like

1134
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,239
it's fake, it's not real, so like you're not having

1135
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,760
these actual interactions. So it just like you know, builds

1136
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,000
that social isolation.

1137
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:57,599
Speaker 2: Who the human being is?

1138
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,519
Speaker 1: You want the sweet sweet dopamine hit.

1139
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say for people who don't know this,

1140
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,119
like whenever I post stuff to social media, it does well.

1141
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,039
Like right now post reposting a bunch of old TFM stuff. Boy,

1142
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,360
Like as as much as you get lost and scrolling,

1143
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,159
when you get that little red bubble up on Instagram

1144
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,639
full of likes and oh yeah, that is it? That

1145
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,920
is straight heroin.

1146
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: Like you know what's crazy about that is they I

1147
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,840
just learned that they delay your likes so like so

1148
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,119
that when you're posting, you're like waiting for people to

1149
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,159
like it and they'll you'll get maybe like twenty right,

1150
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,159
when you post, but they'll hold them back and then

1151
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,159
they'll like sporadically give them to you, so you keep

1152
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,679
checking and seeing like where.

1153
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 4: They're like, who's liking it?

1154
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,079
Speaker 3: Diabolical, it's crazy.

1155
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,559
Speaker 1: It's not good, it's.

1156
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: Bad, not great.

1157
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: It does feel amazing, though, oh my god, to get likes,

1158
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,519
to get real likes that red bubble, nothing nothing better when.

1159
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,159
Speaker 2: That little triangle is just like four hundred or something

1160
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:51,320
like that.

1161
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,679
Speaker 3: Incredible, nothing like it.

1162
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,599
Speaker 2: Like I'm a god? Yeah, why am I not famous already?

1163
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:56,840
Like this?

1164
00:51:57,079 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: Wait? And you are?

1165
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: Basically yeah, because people were eight people share my thing.

1166
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:02,559
Speaker 3: And that's huge.

1167
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: Fucking yeah.

1168
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,519
Speaker 1: Wait till I go back to the high school reunion.

1169
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,079
Speaker 2: The first guy, see, he's just like your Instagram's fucking good.

1170
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,480
All right. I went to all.

1171
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Speaker 1: Guys like, who do you think you are?

1172
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:19,159
Speaker 2: Dan on Brand for Yeah, yeah, who you are? I'm

1173
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:20,960
just like, no one, I'm gonna go talk about like

1174
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,480
three friends. Please, don't know what I like.

1175
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed about this too.

1176
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: Don't like trust me as much as you hate it,

1177
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,960
I hate it so much more.

1178
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,079
Speaker 3: But you love it though, love it, hate it.

1179
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,079
Speaker 2: So it's like self loathing that you just can't stop right, Yeah? Yeah,

1180
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:36,320
did you have that where you're just like, I know

1181
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,719
I suck, but I gotta just keep doing this. Yeah,

1182
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,760
like you hit a point where you're like, I hate this,

1183
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,440
but I'm going to keep going.

1184
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah you mean like posting, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1185
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 2: Yes because for a while it's fun.

1186
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,119
Speaker 3: Because for a while, it's fun because you're like getting

1187
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:50,920
what you want right.

1188
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: And you do cool stuff if you honestly genuinely as

1189
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,519
even though I'm sure you needed to social media, like,

1190
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,519
still you do things that most people don't do.

1191
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. Is like a lot of the photos

1192
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,880
I look at, I'm like, I was like not happy

1193
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,760
that day, you know, but like you look like you know,

1194
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,280
it's just like all fake, Like all of it's fake,

1195
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,360
And I feel like, yeah, the editing is a whole

1196
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,159
nother thing, Like I used to edit my photos like crazy.

1197
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:19,719
I'm surprised you even recognize me.

1198
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: You're still blonde, So yeah, yeah that was the main thing.

1199
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:25,599
If you walked up, Brunette, I would have been like,

1200
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,760
do you need something, ma'am?

1201
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this day really sucked, but damn did I look good?

1202
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? Literally, So yeah, it's it's all just such a mirage.

1203
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,719
So but it's so easy to like forget that, you.

1204
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:41,639
Speaker 2: Know, obviously, especially it's like you step like get further

1205
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,239
away from it. You're like, oh, maybe that was a

1206
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,599
good day.

1207
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,679
Speaker 3: Picture looks great, picture looks great.

1208
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, why not?

1209
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: So the other thing after the pamphlet Craze dies down

1210
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:56,280
was the novel reading panic of the eighteenth and nineteenth century.

1211
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,159
This is the funniest thing to me in the world

1212
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:04,800
because now, not wrongly either, but I don't know if

1213
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,079
you obviously you you're an author, But do you read

1214
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:07,400
a lot?

1215
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1216
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure. I don't mean to sound like a

1217
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:14,519
dick or anything, but like I'm sure some of it is.

1218
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 3: Like garbage, garbage, right, yeah, Like do.

1219
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: You read what's the dragon shit going around? Right? My

1220
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,119
wife reads it?

1221
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I am not reading it, but I know it is, right, she.

1222
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,159
Speaker 1: Reads a lot.

1223
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, she reads a lot of like fantasy and basically yeah,

1224
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,880
like like it's like sex romance novels and dragon fantasy.

1225
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: I think my friend is reading that on the recommendation

1226
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,320
of Scott Lopez, so it can't.

1227
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: Be too bad. Sounds like Scott's recommendation. Yeah, but like

1228
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,199
a lot of it is just like kind of junkie

1229
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,880
novels stuff. But it's like eating's great, you should read,

1230
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,360
you should read.

1231
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's good for your brain.

1232
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 4: Obviously not according to these people.

1233
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 3: So what did they think? My question is what did

1234
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,599
they think was better? Talking? Like what was there?

1235
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,519
Speaker 2: This was novels. This is pre television, pre radio, pre

1236
00:54:58,639 --> 00:54:59,159
social media.

1237
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, like fix was bad as fiction, specifically.

1238
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,679
Speaker 2: This sort of low class fiction. Okay, these were like

1239
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,880
I guess a later term for it would have been

1240
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,360
dime store novel. Okay, the situations paperbacks, Okay, you know,

1241
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,079
like like low like television basically almost you know what

1242
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,079
I mean? Okay, TV, you'll write your brain. Novels in

1243
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,480
the eighteenth and nineteenth century were a big moral panic,

1244
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,639
specifically for women. Of course.

1245
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, I can't have these ladies reading.

1246
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: Reading, and especially like smutty things.

1247
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 3: No, I mean, they're going to become witches again, maybe.

1248
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 2: You don't know. So books like h Samuel Richardson's Pamela

1249
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,760
or Rousseau's Julie they sold like crazy, and unlike most

1250
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,119
books at the time, whether they're like religious texts or

1251
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,239
more like I don't know, epic poems and shit, they

1252
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,440
weren't boring. They were like page turners basically, right, Everyone

1253
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:59,559
from clerics to educators doctors were like, this is fucking

1254
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:04,000
up people brains, specifically women's brains. It's morally dangerous, it's

1255
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:08,239
a threat to social order. One in seventeen nineties, British

1256
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,800
pamphlet even pamphlets didn't like the novels.

1257
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: Of course they didn't, right, it's cutting on their business, yeah, competition.

1258
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,679
Speaker 2: They they moaned that servants neglected their spinning for novels.

1259
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,800
So essentially like people weren't people weren't doing their chores.

1260
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:24,639
Speaker 3: Wow.

1261
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,039
Speaker 2: Jane Austin actually mocked this idea in one of her books,

1262
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:34,199
where she had like a novel obsessed woman who thought

1263
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,880
everything was a murder plot because these books were like

1264
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,880
about murder and sad it was like true true crime

1265
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,360
where almost like almost more like SVUK. A novel was

1266
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,880
like an Svu Binge marathon.

1267
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, tracks, that makes sense. That's so crazy, Okay,

1268
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,119
But they were like reading. So what happened did they say?

1269
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:56,920
Ladies put those books away?

1270
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: They did. A doctor's had a lot of opinions, someoning

1271
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,480
in some oh im gonna get yeah, yea, yeah, we're

1272
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,920
gonna get in some really high level medical opinions.

1273
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 3: Oh please.

1274
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,199
Speaker 1: We did not respect doctors back then, though.

1275
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: They still they still chimed in. They're like a woman

1276
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,400
needs to be bled from the legs for five days

1277
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,920
if she reads more than two novels.

1278
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,239
Speaker 1: Like, I guess you're gonna have to take the doctor's

1279
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:20,880
word over a witch's word. But I mean it feels

1280
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:21,920
they seem.

1281
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: In the seventeen hundred. It's what like George Washington died

1282
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,119
because the doctor was like, get more blood out of them.

1283
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,719
He's got too much blood in him.

1284
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,159
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't even know that.

1285
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:36,559
Speaker 2: He was sick anyway, but the doctor, but bleeding was

1286
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:39,239
like a medical get the dirty blood out of him,

1287
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,400
like he's got sick blood.

1288
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: Kind of logical, right, right, right, People don't know this.

1289
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:48,719
The cherry tree got revenge. You chopped in down. Yeah.

1290
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,079
Speaker 2: So, reading too much, according to doctors, inflamed the passions.

1291
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:56,320
Uh it led to nervous disorders h hysteria or even

1292
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:01,480
my favorite, uh, womb fever. It would make women's wombs

1293
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:02,039
too hot.

1294
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: What reading? Yeah, this is from a medical profession.

1295
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, as much as you can call anyone

1296
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,239
too hot for a baby.

1297
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: To survive, or just too hot.

1298
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:15,079
Speaker 2: Too hot in general. Uh, it would create uncontrollable lust

1299
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:19,599
according to doctors. Uh, something called uterine furor. Uh.

1300
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:21,159
Speaker 3: And men were complaining about that.

1301
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I know, right, because it kept him out

1302
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,559
of marriage. They were they were too they wanted too many.

1303
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: Right, they couldn't even Yeah, they were reading so much.

1304
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was either it made you too horny or

1305
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:37,480
it made you like a sick goblin who never left

1306
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:38,119
your room.

1307
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:38,719
Speaker 4: Right.

1308
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,199
Speaker 2: You when what that meant by curled up with a

1309
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,239
book back then, was you just became like a golam,

1310
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,400
like a crooked golam, like reading. Yeah.

1311
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,159
Speaker 3: No, yes.

1312
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,239
Speaker 2: One German doctor in the seventeen nineties said that he

1313
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,440
had a patient who had a miscarriage upon binge reading

1314
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:05,679
the Gothic romance novel Udolpho. The Gothic thrills shook her

1315
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,480
womb until the baby fell out too early.

1316
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: Come on, is that a direct quote?

1317
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,519
Speaker 2: Well, I said shook, he did a baby shook her womb?

1318
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:16,920
Loose is a direct quote?

1319
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,039
Speaker 3: No, And people believe this.

1320
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: People are like, my God, novels, you can never shake

1321
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,719
a baby, they tell you this.

1322
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even in the womb.

1323
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: Wow, that is hilarious.

1324
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: So if you get on a trampoline, make sure there's

1325
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,840
not a baby in there.

1326
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 3: Right because, and don't bring a book.

1327
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,519
Speaker 2: Don't read a book on a trampoline. And Dulpho Dolpho, Udolpho,

1328
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:39,800
Adelpho Udolpho.

1329
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,079
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're in a red state, maybe do that.

1330
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:45,119
If you're looking for alternative options.

1331
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you're in Texas and get pregnant, trampoline

1332
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:50,320
in a novel will probably take care of busines. Take

1333
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,400
care of that, just fine. A French doctor in seventeen

1334
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,440
eighty nine argued that now this might sound familiar, that

1335
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:02,719
novels like social media over stimulated the brain led to

1336
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,000
exhaustion and uh set the brain in a frenzy, frying,

1337
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:08,119
fragile nerves.

1338
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Can't be thinking too much?

1339
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: Wow, can't be reading?

1340
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: Did they want these women specifically to be doing kneading dough?

1341
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:15,239
Speaker 1: Like?

1342
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,679
Speaker 3: What do they want these women to be?

1343
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: In fact one doctrine, who had to uh, who had

1344
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,480
to not novel detox? A woman uh prescribed her chores?

1345
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: Shut up, shut up, that's true, shut up, stop using

1346
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,360
your brain. Please dumb it down, girly pop please, this

1347
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,199
is go sweep some stuff.

1348
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,639
Speaker 2: There's a dusty floor over there that's calling your name.

1349
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: No brain cells, no brains, don't think.

1350
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, now they didn't like men reading it either, but

1351
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,280
it was women were the primary target audience for a

1352
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,039
lot of these, of course, and so that was where

1353
01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:58,480
things really because men it seems that it seemed that

1354
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:01,880
with men it was it was it's like I think

1355
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,400
they thought it like self regulated, that like just the

1356
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,880
nerds would get beat up. I guess right, you know

1357
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:07,360
what I mean?

1358
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe like it wasn't cool, like maybe it

1359
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:12,440
wasn't you know.

1360
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,559
Speaker 2: You were supposed to be drinking and gambling according to

1361
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:17,519
the research that I the like research I did. It's

1362
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:21,599
just like men would either you were a nerd and

1363
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,400
you didn't have any friends, so who fucking cares about

1364
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,079
you anyway, or your your bros would eventually like shame

1365
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:29,679
you out of it and come.

1366
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: Back to you stimulate the economy with your money gambling, drinking.

1367
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,719
Speaker 2: And that's it and horn horing yea, and horring if

1368
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,960
that's but I mean, if women, but if wake up

1369
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,000
a book, there's a lot of things that aren't getting

1370
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,519
done right.

1371
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 3: So holding up the end of the bargain.

1372
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: We don't want that to happen, otherwise we've fall into chaos.

1373
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,119
Speaker 3: Right, Wow, this is crazy. I can't believe that this

1374
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:53,639
was a thing.

1375
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It sounds kind of long, don't.

1376
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,639
Speaker 3: It does sound a little bit like social media because

1377
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:00,800
in the beginning, I mean, now, men, I don't know

1378
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,440
if you guys have noticed this. I feel like more

1379
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,800
men are becoming addicted to their phones, whether it's like

1380
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,360
Reddit or some people. Some guys are addicted to like Pinterest,

1381
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,199
which I think is like hilarious because that's such a

1382
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:14,480
girly ass that yeah, that is guys are because it's

1383
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:16,880
like curated like perfectly to what you wanted. It's like,

1384
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,039
you know guys who were like looking at projects or

1385
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:19,760
like woodwork or.

1386
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: Whatever, like that's for crafty dudes.

1387
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, craft yeah, yeah yeah yeah. But in the beginning,

1388
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:27,519
I feel like social media was mostly girls, Like mostly

1389
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:29,960
girls cared about the Instagram or like looking good or whatever,

1390
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,480
and they were the ones who were really especially you

1391
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:33,719
look at the teen girls like they're they carry.

1392
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,199
Speaker 1: The digital camera out eyebars and then upload the photos

1393
01:02:36,199 --> 01:02:36,719
and Instagram.

1394
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,239
Speaker 2: I was in college when Facebook went nationwide. Okay, yeah,

1395
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,079
and yeah, you're old that Yeah, I'm old ball. You're

1396
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:45,039
thirty nine tomorrow.

1397
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so good birthday.

1398
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: Jesus, you're thirty nine. It's not great.

1399
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,719
Speaker 3: Holy shit, still thirties, that's great.

1400
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, one more.

1401
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: You're a hold done, dude, back it up.

1402
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,039
Speaker 2: I'm just a dad though. That's why I'm like here,

1403
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:03,480
like I'm gonna drink beers while I can't. Yeah, and

1404
01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:06,159
then way to go home and fall asleep next to

1405
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:07,840
my child as he falls asleep.

1406
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: You're more than halfway through your life.

1407
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,679
Speaker 3: Okay, that's not true.

1408
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: No, it's true, so true.

1409
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: All my grandparents, all my grandparents lived into their nineties.

1410
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:20,519
Speaker 3: Oh see, he'll be fine.

1411
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: So I've yeah, technically six more years until I hit

1412
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,039
the halfway point. Probably. However, one grandparent did fall down

1413
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,440
and fall in his eighties. He only died from the

1414
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,000
fall though.

1415
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: The falls are what Yeah, the big problem.

1416
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: I've actually had two grandparents die from falls. One was

1417
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,519
in their nineties, when it was in their eighties, and

1418
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,039
he made it a couple more years, but the fall

1419
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:40,920
kind of fucked him up.

1420
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 3: Oh that's always what happened.

1421
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,239
Speaker 2: Ye yeah, yeah yeah. So as long as I don't.

1422
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,599
Speaker 3: Fall, you gotta say the light on your feet.

1423
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: It should be good to go. I'm to probably just

1424
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,119
go a wheelchair at fifty to get that safe.

1425
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,119
Speaker 3: That's a good call. Just take your feet off the ground.

1426
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what he didn't, No athlete, I don't need these.

1427
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: One grandparent got really in a rollerblading at seventy.

1428
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,039
Speaker 2: We tried. We were like, Grandma, please stop.

1429
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:03,239
Speaker 3: She did no. No.

1430
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: Oh.

1431
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:06,639
Speaker 3: I was like, that's adorable. That's like a really cute

1432
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:07,679
hobby to take up at.

1433
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:13,239
Speaker 1: Seventy right, wow, well it doesn't m well right yeah right,

1434
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:15,639
because she wouldn't wear a hel what so didn't think

1435
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:16,320
it made her look cool.

1436
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,199
Speaker 2: We're like, you're seventy.

1437
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she had a social media presence.

1438
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 2: And she had Yeah.

1439
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,039
Speaker 3: She was like, it doesn't play, it doesn't get likes.

1440
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, uh so I was. I was in

1441
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,519
college when Facebook started, and that was entirely female driven

1442
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,199
because to the point where I remember I got on

1443
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:34,880
Facebook specifically because I was trying to get a girl's number,

1444
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,199
and she was like, oh, just for me on Facebook.

1445
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:39,039
I didn't have Facebook yet and I was like, wellt

1446
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:41,440
got on Facebook. Yeah, like your medi if that's it?

1447
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 3: Wow? Yeah, No, that is how it started and also

1448
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,320
like I feel like, even like Instagram, all these apps,

1449
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,599
like really there is like a dating element weaved.

1450
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: In one hundred percent, you know. And even when Twitter

1451
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:55,840
used to be there's like a glorious minute when Twitter

1452
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,000
was like young and cool instead of like the cesspool

1453
01:04:59,039 --> 01:04:59,440
it is now.

1454
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,519
Speaker 1: Twitter was wild West.

1455
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,599
Speaker 2: Though. Twitter was a blast in twenty twelve.

1456
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 3: It was fun. It was funny.

1457
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: It was really funny, and it was like all like

1458
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:11,119
everyone was like in their twenties or like eighteen basically,

1459
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,840
and it was like actually fun. Like I remember that

1460
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,079
being where I would like interact with other people my age,

1461
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,760
and then that very quickly became more news and political

1462
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:21,440
and blowbles.

1463
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,519
Speaker 1: But those people also grew up and became lame.

1464
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,639
Speaker 2: And became awful. Yeah yeah, yeah I'm still sweet, so.

1465
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: That's all that matters. You know, We've stayed cool.

1466
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, there was a progression, right, went

1467
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,000
from Aim.

1468
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,079
Speaker 3: To oh my god, Aim was amazing Facebook.

1469
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Aim? And but Aim though too, was like

1470
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:44,800
the primary reason I wanted to use it was to

1471
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,320
talk to girls. Yeah, like I would talk to my

1472
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,000
buddies on there too, but like it really was to like, yes,

1473
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:52,360
like talk to girls, like because the otherwise you only

1474
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:53,760
get see him in school or whatever.

1475
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? It really is like social media is

1476
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:58,320
like guys just are there to see girls, and girls

1477
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,320
are there to impress girls. Na, good girls aren't there

1478
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:02,199
to get guys.

1479
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,679
Speaker 1: Mim was to put up a sweet away message.

1480
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 3: What did you have in your what did you have

1481
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,920
in your way? Message? You mention your.

1482
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,159
Speaker 1: Friends always changed, like oh dude, quote like board hit

1483
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:16,360
up the cell bro, Oh yeah, I like that, or

1484
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,639
just a song lyric that I was feeling what dropping.

1485
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: To Murphy's song lyric was in your fucking away message?

1486
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,000
Shipping up the Boston all he was Ever, He's from Philly.

1487
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:27,119
Speaker 3: So he's oh Philly guy.

1488
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, coast all the way, although he went to UCF,

1489
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:32,039
So he's really a Florida man at heart.

1490
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,559
Speaker 3: Right, that'll change you. Yeah, time in Florida changes.

1491
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,519
Speaker 2: Like as much as you like to rep Philly, you are,

1492
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,519
I'm a Florida, Florida through and through.

1493
01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, looks like he belongs to a thousand percent go back.

1494
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 3: You do look like a Florida guy in a good way.

1495
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:47,000
Mm hmm.

1496
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like I fit the profile more than

1497
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,679
Jake becoming an oyster farmer.

1498
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 2: Uh, Jake is a weird Florida guy though, because Jake's Inland.

1499
01:06:57,679 --> 01:06:59,920
M hm, he's he grew up in like the middle

1500
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:00,840
of Florida.

1501
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:04,039
Speaker 3: He'll be brand he'll he'll now.

1502
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:06,719
Speaker 2: He actually if you want a great if you ever,

1503
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,159
I don't know if you still do the fitness stuff

1504
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:11,480
at all, but boy, does a oyster farming get you shredded?

1505
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: Really?

1506
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: I lost like thirty pounds immediately, something I'm positively He's

1507
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:24,280
got a sweet and change. Yeah, carries cages because he

1508
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,960
was a bread boy. Like over COVID. He was like,

1509
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:34,920
I'm gonna start making sourdough constantly. Yeah, and it showed. Okay,

1510
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:39,280
he hit the fucking oyster field, hit the doc goddamn it.

1511
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,719
Speaker 3: Donnas Now, Wow, that's amazing.

1512
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,239
Speaker 1: Lost too much weight in his face though. Oh he's

1513
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:47,800
too skinny. He's kind of frightened the problem. I hope

1514
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:48,760
you're listening to this, Jake.

1515
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: I hope he is too. He usually does consentenzl Texas

1516
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,159
and be like cool, thanks for talking show with me.

1517
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,880
On this random episode. Another thing that novel reading. Uh,

1518
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:04,519
a doctor said, now this might sound familiar led to

1519
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:11,039
depression in teens. Wow, the highs and lows of the

1520
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,840
stories essentially were like essentially dopamine highs and lows. Wow,

1521
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:17,239
fucked them up. I mean, this is but these are

1522
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:18,279
probably bullshit the doctors.

1523
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 3: But I mean, I will say there are similarities.

1524
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 2: I mean, sounds the exact goddamn sane. Also, it hurt

1525
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,640
their eyes. They had eye people got eye problems from

1526
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,359
reading novels. The print was small, so these were cheaply

1527
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,439
printed novels, right, so the print was as small as

1528
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,119
you can make it where people could still read it.

1529
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,640
And obviously they're reading by candle light. So even though

1530
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,159
candlelight whatever, orange light is better than blue light, the

1531
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:46,680
fact that they had low light reading small print not ideal.

1532
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 3: Wow, this is crazy.

1533
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're like reading fantastic epics and your

1534
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,960
life is just going to the same job over and

1535
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,920
over and over again, I feel like it con your brain.

1536
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,399
Speaker 2: So a big problem with the novel reading that doctors

1537
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:06,239
and other people say is it completely took people out

1538
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:09,319
of reality. They preferred to live inside of that world.

1539
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:11,199
Then inside if you're a peasant in the middle of

1540
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:12,960
the real world, well it's the eighteen hundreds, but you.

1541
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,199
Speaker 3: Are so crazy. It's so it's social media.

1542
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,359
Speaker 2: Right, So, yeah, it's the the the This is what

1543
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,359
we always it's always like a joke when people and

1544
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,560
this is not too diminut this is a great book.

1545
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,800
I'm not diminishing what you did, but it is always

1546
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,079
funny to me that people are just like this is so,

1547
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,119
I'm so, and I think a lot of people. I

1548
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:32,600
think a lot of people might make that sound. I

1549
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,640
think it sounds diminishing, But to me, it's like, look,

1550
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:39,840
it happened before people got through it. Yeah, you can

1551
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,439
do it too, right type of thing, right, not just

1552
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,279
in the current, like, oh, it happened to someone eight

1553
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,560
weeks ago and they got through it, but in fact,

1554
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,960
humans deal with this shit kind of constantly. Yeah, and

1555
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,119
they always get through it.

1556
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:54,399
Speaker 1: This is rob arguing for a social credit score.

1557
01:09:55,119 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: H This is me arguing, I think against actually people

1558
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:01,479
getting to make content as I talk into a podcast

1559
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,279
microphone that we don't pay for.

1560
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:08,319
Speaker 3: It is crazy though, that's a crazy thought. So what

1561
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:10,680
happened was there like some sort of detox up from

1562
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:11,319
novel reading.

1563
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 2: No, people just got over it.

1564
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 3: People just got over it, and then TV came around.

1565
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 1: TV.

1566
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: So up until the eighteen sixties there was still a

1567
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,680
bit of a novel panic in the United States. We're

1568
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,680
always a little bit behind Europe in that way. I

1569
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,800
feel like, so that stuff was still blamed. Actually, all

1570
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,920
the way up into the nineteen twenties, people really hated

1571
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,239
a sort of dime store detective novels and westerns and

1572
01:10:34,279 --> 01:10:36,600
stuff like that. That thought was garbage. More so in the

1573
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,520
same way, although I do think TV is actually a

1574
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,199
good comp to social media as well, even though I

1575
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:42,960
didn't cover it on this I feel like a lot

1576
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,800
of things people said about television in the sixties, seventies

1577
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,279
and eighties sounds a lot like what people say about

1578
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:51,319
social media now totally as well, even though television's way

1579
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,279
way more impersonal stre novels for that matter, whereas like

1580
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:57,520
the social media does have a unique aspect in that

1581
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,680
it is all like hyper created by the people on it, and.

1582
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 3: It's way more personal, and it's and there's no limit,

1583
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,920
like TV is like you watch an hour of Friends

1584
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,079
and you're done right, you know, this is like you

1585
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:09,880
could go all night.

1586
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: The real game changer was probably the paddle with the

1587
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,880
ball on the string. That's why people stopped to read

1588
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:15,640
and they just kept hitting.

1589
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: Eventually, that got people off was yeah, the paddle uh

1590
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:20,119
with the.

1591
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: And I'm selling that next.

1592
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the company should tape to the back of every book.

1593
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,119
Is is a Yeah.

1594
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: They got off their factory shift that was seventeen hours,

1595
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:34,399
they had an hour break before they went back to

1596
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,920
their next shift, and they were just bouncing the ball.

1597
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 2: Uh. And there was one more social media parallel with

1598
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:48,319
novels that I think is funny and uh pertinent, which

1599
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:53,199
is they were afraid that people girls in particular, young

1600
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:57,720
girls in particular, would emulate what they saw in the

1601
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,720
novels or read in the novels. I suppose one girl

1602
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,760
allegedly drowned herself because she uh read it in the

1603
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,600
Sorrows of Young worther. So like, I guess probably a

1604
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,000
book about some girl drowning herself or something like that.

1605
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: Young girls are a problem though, but also they're to

1606
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:14,600
blame for the sandwich.

1607
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,279
Speaker 2: They would they did they It actually was kind of

1608
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:19,800
young girls that did that. Really, it was like the

1609
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,880
main accusers, like these four young girls that ate corn

1610
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,319
that was basically alsd and started accusing every one of everything.

1611
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: Wow, And then they got into deep and then they

1612
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,399
hated some people, so they just accused of them of

1613
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:31,319
being did very.

1614
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:33,359
Speaker 2: Quickly become political and families were just using it to

1615
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:37,479
kill each other. Oh my god, sandwich draws pretty funny.

1616
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 3: Actually, wow now now in retrospect, in retrospect the time, yeah,

1617
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:45,920
goofy yeah funny.

1618
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 2: Now we just laugh at them the same way someone

1619
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,520
will laugh at us. Feel like you believe that idiot

1620
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,399
was scrolling so much? Yeah, fu my robot.

1621
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

1622
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: But they were worried that young girls would be overly

1623
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:03,399
affected by either kind of fomo from the novels. They

1624
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:06,640
weren't getting the romance that these characters were, or they

1625
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,159
would emulate behavior like drowning themselves or maybe even killing.

1626
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,840
So one thing that reminded me of was the she

1627
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,439
remember the story the slender Man killing?

1628
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you not know that at all?

1629
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:19,359
Speaker 2: You know? You know who slender Man.

1630
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:21,039
Speaker 3: Is, right, yeah? But why do I know? I can't.

1631
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 2: Like, it was like two twelve year old girls killed

1632
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,960
their friend because slender Man was like big on social media.

1633
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:28,000
They killed their friend because they're like, oh, slender Man

1634
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:31,399
told us on social media. The slender Man, which is

1635
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,800
like a fictional character that got big on social media.

1636
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,239
Speaker 3: But do you remember this? It's dark?

1637
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not long enough way to laugh. I yeah,

1638
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,439
but this is and so yeah, but it was like

1639
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,520
the type of thing like people are gonna either have

1640
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,960
FOMO from reading these novels and not getting to live

1641
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,840
the exciting lives that they read about in the novels,

1642
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:52,520
or they'll emulate the behavior. Like the girl who allegedly

1643
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,840
this probably didn't happen, by the way, is probably a

1644
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:59,239
doctor being like I know old lady whose baby fell

1645
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:01,560
out from the novel being too sexy, and I know

1646
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,279
another girl who drowned herself from the novel being too sad.

1647
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow, that's crazy. I mean, that's what they

1648
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,079
say now about social media, right, it's like they're worried

1649
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:13,760
about girls.

1650
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 2: Well and not wrongly.

1651
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't mean no, they're right, and I don't want

1652
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,079
to I don't want to get too dark either. But

1653
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:20,159
like there's a lot of now lawsuits that are coming

1654
01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:22,960
out about parents who are suing for wrongful death in

1655
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,680
some cases. And yeah, they're trying because they're trying to

1656
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,319
have some you know, have these apps have some responsibility.

1657
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:32,159
There's that that huge loophole though that they're not technically

1658
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:33,600
responsible for things that are posted.

1659
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 2: Is they're not publishers.

1660
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,039
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, there's like some weird rule that they're

1661
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:41,439
like able to like skirt around responsibility. But yeah, I mean,

1662
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,079
like it's crazy because this is that is such a

1663
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:48,560
crazy parallel. It's because that's happening now.

1664
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: I just I always take like some like warm comfort

1665
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,079
and just being like I'm not special.

1666
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is nice. It is nice to feel that

1667
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:57,960
like we're good.

1668
01:14:58,039 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fine.

1669
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like someone else, hopefully dumber than me, got

1670
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,680
through this so they could do it.

1671
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,079
Speaker 3: We can do it.

1672
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, You're fine, You're fine. You're gonna be okay,

1673
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:10,000
like you've if you've identified the.

1674
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 3: Problem, right, you're being more mindful, right, then you're fine.

1675
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:18,399
Speaker 2: So that is all I got today. Wow, on the

1676
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,119
parallels of so or the I should say the first

1677
01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:25,680
two needs for a social media detox.

1678
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: And if that is reassuring, let me just completely upset

1679
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,000
the apple cart. Oh please, we got a three percent

1680
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:34,359
chance of being hit by a city destroying meteorite.

1681
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it only destroys city.

1682
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: In twenty thirty two. Yeah, but what if it's you?

1683
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:40,079
Speaker 2: What if it's Austin?

1684
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: What if it's a Are.

1685
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,039
Speaker 2: They gonna tell us more than a like day in advance.

1686
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:48,399
Speaker 3: Who knows, Yeah, maybe that we should. We should know though, right,

1687
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,640
we should at least know the area, right, can't They see.

1688
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:53,520
Speaker 2: They won't They wouldn't know the area until it gets closer.

1689
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,720
But they just like three percent chance it might smack

1690
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,880
somewhere into Earth, which is mostly ocean.

1691
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:02,039
Speaker 3: There's a lot of water out there, so.

1692
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:05,399
Speaker 2: Chances are it'd be funny if it hit Indianapolis.

1693
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 3: But it would be bad still.

1694
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not gonna have so hop on the

1695
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,439
surfboard out in the Pacific.

1696
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: If it's it would it would actually, I think just

1697
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,319
be funny if everyone got out in time, because I

1698
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:18,840
feel like Indianapolis there's nothing there, so you can just

1699
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:19,319
rebuild it.

1700
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:22,039
Speaker 3: Tomorrow, yeah, or don't or.

1701
01:16:22,039 --> 01:16:25,359
Speaker 2: Don't Yeah, just go somewhere else. Yeah. See that's why

1702
01:16:25,399 --> 01:16:29,279
you've never visited in Indianapolis. Doesn't look good on Instagram.

1703
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's like, Yeah, if I was planning

1704
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,439
my vacation, that wouldn't be an instagram worthy Yeah.

1705
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: But think if India becomes like the next Grand Canyon,

1706
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:38,840
it's beautiful. Yeah.

1707
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 3: Well, if there's a if something lands there, a meteor.

1708
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,279
Speaker 2: It's in its immediate uh tourist destination, right.

1709
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,039
Speaker 3: Then it's the hottest place to go.

1710
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: Ever, I would go there tomorrow, like I would go

1711
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,960
yeah and takes off es yes for Instagram.

1712
01:16:52,079 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 4: Yeah at the media can't be God, Wow, this is.

1713
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,319
Speaker 3: Like so interesting. I love that I learned all this stuff.

1714
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 2: I uh, I'm glad you. I'm glad to financing I

1715
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,640
I it's just funny because I know I've thought about

1716
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,720
this with social media before, because I did know about

1717
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,039
the novel Panic, I did not know about the pamphlet Panic.

1718
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:14,560
But it is typically where I'm like, yeah, social media

1719
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,760
not great for you. I hate when I pick up

1720
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,800
my phone, especially around the kids, because it's like, god,

1721
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,000
like I'll do it so absoluindly, yeah, that I'll just

1722
01:17:21,039 --> 01:17:24,000
be like God, damn it, get the fuck away, right. Yeah.

1723
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,960
But it is the type of thing too, where it's

1724
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,039
like every it's almost less so that like the the

1725
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:32,119
comp is exactly the same, but the people always say

1726
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:33,840
the same things.

1727
01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:35,119
Speaker 3: Isn't that insane?

1728
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,239
Speaker 2: We're not very creative. We're somehow the most and least

1729
01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:40,960
creative species of.

1730
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 3: All time, right, Like they're worried about the same things always,

1731
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:47,039
mostly about women.

1732
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:53,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, well, keep keep it together. I guess.

1733
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 3: That's insane.

1734
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 2: I think I think they get the most generous reading

1735
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,920
of that that would be is that they worry about

1736
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,439
women because they're just like, there's nothing we can do

1737
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:09,000
about men. Yeah, it's just they're just animals.

1738
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 3: And we can't even like control them or tell them

1739
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,000
what to do. Like, if there's only what they're not

1740
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,319
going to read, don't worry about that.

1741
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a snot there is no novel problem.

1742
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:18,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1743
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,239
Speaker 2: My wife is always like, you never read like I

1744
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:24,079
read news. I can't sit down and read a novel,

1745
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:25,319
read the words of other men.

1746
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:31,359
Speaker 3: That's gay, that's like general of the guys.

1747
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're always just like, God, we're just watching sports.

1748
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,199
Is such a cocked behavior, just watching better men do

1749
01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:39,359
better things.

1750
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:40,359
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's the same thing.

1751
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: Imagine having your emotions moved by another man, sad cocked behavior. Yeah, yeah,

1752
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,199
I can't do it. We'll do it.

1753
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 3: Can you support Lebron now? Like, can you watch him

1754
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,880
and be excited about it? Are you still holding a grudge? No?

1755
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,359
Speaker 1: I always hold a grudge.

1756
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,079
Speaker 3: Wow, no matter what team he's on.

1757
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: Hate whatever team he goes to, Especially easy with the Lakers. Yeah. Why, uh,

1758
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:11,520
there's the Lakers and so success, that's really success. Yeah,

1759
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:12,680
it's one of the most successful. Friends.

1760
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 2: Did you become a Laker fan after you? I shouldn't before.

1761
01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 3: I was before. You know, I actually grew up a

1762
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,600
Bulls fan because I'm from Chicago, Okay, So, and are

1763
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,119
you old enough for Jordan's Yeah, kind of like I

1764
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:25,159
knew what was going on, and I had my babysitter

1765
01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:27,840
was a lovable She was a cheerleader for the Chicago

1766
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,800
Bulls and it was like a lovable and it was

1767
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,800
like iconic, and so I kind of grew up a

1768
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,680
Bulls fan. But then obviously when I moved to La

1769
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,720
I was there. My first season was Kobe Bryant's last

1770
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,880
season as a Laker, So like being there for that

1771
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,720
was like the coolest thing ever, Like seeing that like

1772
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,159
goodbye tour was like incredible.

1773
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: I also don't really fuck with Kobe because he disowned Philadelphia,

1774
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,840
that's where he's from. But whenever he do you.

1775
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,279
Speaker 3: Mean he did not disown in what way he hated Philadelphia.

1776
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm from Italy, Like, no, you're not, dude.

1777
01:20:01,399 --> 01:20:03,119
Speaker 3: I really know if that's all true.

1778
01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:05,279
Speaker 1: My grandfather went to like most of his high school

1779
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:07,239
basketball games more than my basketball games.

1780
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:10,239
Speaker 2: Okay, that's why he really grandpa.

1781
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it always comes back to little jealousy a little bit.

1782
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,239
Speaker 2: I would also choose to watch Kobe, like if there's

1783
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:23,760
some if my child is liked, and like two courts over,

1784
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:27,199
there's some kid just doing fucking cartwheel dugs.

1785
01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: You don't see me in fifth grade just missing wide

1786
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:34,640
open layups. Grandpa's got to see history. Yeah, you know

1787
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:36,319
that's crazy.

1788
01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:39,199
Speaker 2: I didn't realize you were there for Kobe's last Yeah,

1789
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:39,800
last run.

1790
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 3: It was incredible. That was like the coolest and being

1791
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,159
at the last game was like probably top five coolest days.

1792
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:46,079
Speaker 2: How long were you?

1793
01:20:46,119 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 3: Like I did for four seasons. Yes, I was there

1794
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,000
for like really iconic stuff, like I was there for

1795
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:54,479
the Lonzo ball moments. I don't know if you follow

1796
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:59,159
very closely, And oh my god, I literally didn't even

1797
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:02,159
know that amputated his foot. What happened?

1798
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,359
Speaker 2: They were too heavy?

1799
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:11,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, that's sad. But yeah, and then I

1800
01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:14,479
was there for Lebron's first season and just like cool,

1801
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:15,880
it was cool years to be there.

1802
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 2: Do you still get to get hooked up with tickets?

1803
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,159
Speaker 3: Or anything like if I want, you know, I could, well.

1804
01:21:22,079 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: I guess you worked there too, still, Like yeah, like that's.

1805
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,279
Speaker 3: The thing, like I do. I work a lot of games,

1806
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:27,680
so it's I kind of get my fill.

1807
01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: Fucking crazy since Luca got there, Yeah, it's.

1808
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,520
Speaker 3: Been pretty crazy. It's just like such a different, you know,

1809
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,680
atmosphere now, and it's just anytime you get like a

1810
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,399
huge player like that that comes, it just feels like

1811
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:44,840
everything is just different. Buzz yeah, very Yeah. Lakers fans with.

1812
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,279
Speaker 1: The best they because it happens every time. They always

1813
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:52,479
get a generational player and then that guy leaves and

1814
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,560
they replace it with another generational player there.

1815
01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:58,319
Speaker 2: There was only in my memory, the only time they

1816
01:21:58,319 --> 01:22:00,640
didn't have one was like six years and the nineties

1817
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,880
between Magic and Shack. Oh, because I got Shack in

1818
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,840
ninety six. Magic maybe retired like ninety three or something

1819
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,600
like that. So there's like a two or three year

1820
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,800
period where the Lakers are just a poverty franchise and

1821
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,159
then I just went right back to being the fucking Lakers.

1822
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1823
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,600
Speaker 2: But the NBA knows how to do it, like the

1824
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,840
Major League Baseball will let the Yankees be ass like

1825
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:23,439
the NFL they will let they would let the Packers

1826
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,439
suck for a minute, but the NBA is like, no,

1827
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,159
the Lakers need to be winning well.

1828
01:22:28,359 --> 01:22:31,399
Speaker 1: Bringing a full circle, Adam Silvers inn Ai, Yeah, he's

1829
01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:32,079
bought Ida.

1830
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 2: He's definitely yeah and a slender man.

1831
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: He's not a real person.

1832
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 3: I do feel like we are gonna start seeing And

1833
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,039
this is just my my conspiracy theory prediction. I think

1834
01:22:43,039 --> 01:22:45,560
we're gonna start seeing people like actually being bought. Like

1835
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,479
I feel like that's gonna be a thing. Like do

1836
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,239
you guys saw the Elon Yes, like in the next

1837
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,359
five years, you saw Elon went out on that date

1838
01:22:52,399 --> 01:22:53,640
with that robot.

1839
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:55,119
Speaker 2: I did not see that.

1840
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 3: This was like six months ago or something. Okay, he

1841
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,880
went on like a date like and went out to

1842
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:02,680
her with like a literal like she was kind of hot.

1843
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 4: She was a hot robot.

1844
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 3: But like, I just feel like we're just gonna start

1845
01:23:07,039 --> 01:23:08,640
seeing I mean, it can't be that hard to do

1846
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,239
like prosthetic stuff and like make people. So it's like,

1847
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:13,039
are we going to start cloning people? I don't know,

1848
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,119
I'm just saying.

1849
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Barbara Streisa and clones your dogs every twenty years.

1850
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 3: So oh, and that's adorable.

1851
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: So that's Monty.

1852
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 3: I guess if you use it for good Yeah right, yeah.

1853
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,319
Speaker 2: She just wants the same dog over teak two things

1854
01:23:29,319 --> 01:23:31,560
to do. At the end of the show, yeah, say

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what do you learn today? And then we say who

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is today's Hitler? Which is a joke we have because

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everyone's very dumb at history and the only thing they

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ever compare anyone bad to is hitler. So who's It's

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essentially who was the worst person in the in the story,

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if anyone? So what did you learn today?

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Speaker 3: Well, he learned about the pamphlets. I learned a lot

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about history. I'm gonna send this to my dad. He's

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gonna love it. And what who's the hitler of the story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean do we think it was the witches?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That's actually what I learned today is we probably got

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more witches than we.

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Speaker 2: Know we could. We didn't get zero witches. Yeah, there

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was a It feels outrageous to say zero witches. We

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01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:14,479
got a couple of witches in these trials. That wasn't

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Did we did we cast too wide a net? Certainly?

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No one's debating that.

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Speaker 1: Listen, the process isn't perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dide we get zero witches? That's an outraged state

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out of city. Now accomplished the goal. Yeah, yes, we

1877
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,239
could do better, though we could. It was a carpet

1878
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:31,560
bombing situation, and we need to be precise.

1879
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Speaker 1: To fine tune things. You got to figure it out. Yeah,

1880
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I'm sure we got better as the process went along.

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Speaker 2: I was my Hitler is just a doctors. Any doctor

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before nineteen hundred is probably a fair useless person. I

1883
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,600
was joked because my grandfather was a doctor and he

1884
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:50,319
went to medical school probably in like nineteen thirties, I think,

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And I was like, man, that's just like that's really

1886
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like two generations of doctors removed from when they were

1887
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just crackpots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like what were they doing even learning doctor?

1889
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first actual doctor.

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Speaker 1: My Hitler today is definitely Gutenberg, if you do if

1891
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:11,880
you go by body count, probably more than Stalin, probably

1892
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more than.

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Speaker 2: Probably The fact that it is so fucking funny that

1894
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the fact that like immediately like is every time information

1895
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gets democratized, it goes through like the worst birthing process

1896
01:25:25,119 --> 01:25:29,359
ever and before things get like okay, right, like it's

1897
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,479
like he's almost and honestly, if if you've been at

1898
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,039
a birth before, it really is it's really just a

1899
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:38,119
mess before the baby's adorable, right right, Yeah, a whole

1900
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:39,319
lot of blood and guts.

1901
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Speaker 3: It gets cute totally. I know you're so right, And

1902
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that's like kind of how social media was. I feel like, yeah,

1903
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it still is.

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Speaker 2: I think we're still in the birthing process, but I feel.

1905
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Speaker 3: Like we're coming down. We're coming down. I think we're starting.

1906
01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:54,039
Speaker 2: People getting a handle on it, right, Yeah.

1907
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 3: It feels like we're becoming less dependent.

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Speaker 2: The first generation born while social media existed is what,

1909
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,720
what do you think the oldest person of that is

1910
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twenty three, twenty four? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to call Facebook the first

1913
01:26:08,319 --> 01:26:11,840
like true universal social media, you would have be born

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01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,079
like two thousand and four, right, yeah, so you're like

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twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think social media is getting into a good

1917
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place where you can put your online classes, really get

1918
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:24,439
in a drop ship in adopt you know, the carnivore diet, right,

1919
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,399
all the good stuff, all the good stuff's out there. Yeah,

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and we're really evolving as a species.

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Speaker 2: You're not truly healthy until cholesterol is leaking through your

1922
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,720
hands like someone on use.

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Speaker 3: That's what they say the doctors.

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Speaker 2: The doctors say that.

1925
01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:37,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I've heard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm onto hew four point zero though two point

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zero I've already skipped over three point Oh, I'm on

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the four point zero.

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Speaker 2: Fair tig. Where can everybody find you?

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Speaker 3: So it is ironic since I am promoting a social

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01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,119
media de docs, but you can find me at tg DP,

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which is T I E G. E EDP and then yeah,

1933
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and then the books on Amazon and.

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Speaker 2: The social media Detox social media detox check it out

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Amazon anywhere else books are sold just Amazon.

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Speaker 3: It's actually just on Amazon, perfect, I mean.

1937
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Speaker 2: That's wherever it goes. Anyway. Yeah, I didn't know. I

1938
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:07,880
didn't know if there was a website you prefer and

1939
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,920
then you have a website too, write social media de talk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's social dash media dash detox dot net okay, yeah.

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01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,359
Speaker 2: Where they can find more info and.

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Speaker 3: More info and yeah.

1943
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Speaker 1: Yeah, directly to the source, you know, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: The vein.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: That is all I've got for today, Tea. Thank you

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so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, thank you, this was awesome. I want to come

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back next time, Austin.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome anytime.

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Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely, thank you.

1952
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Speaker 2: It's hilarious you were even here I DM you and

1953
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,600
it's like if you have you ever and you're like,

1954
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,479
oh in a week, yeah, yeah, I'll be there in

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a week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so muchy stalking you on social media

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that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yea, yeah that was every day. I was like I

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need a reason to d m T. And then she

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published a book and then yeah, I was like done.

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Speaker 1: And most women investgative journalist when it comes to social media.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, one hundred percent. But yeah, that is all

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I've got for today. Tea. Thank you so much for

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joining us, uh for Damn Regester Antigue, Doulie Panko. I

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am Rob Fox.

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Speaker 1: You just got saw served