1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: This podcast is brought to you by Titan Home Lending 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,200 and Drew Fellios. 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,679 Speaker 2: Are Florida realtor. Enjoy the podcast. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,399 Speaker 3: A look at college football news, analysis and insight from 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,679 around the Sunshine State. This is Florida Football Insiders, a 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,039 part of the College Gridiron Coast to Coast podcast network, 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,920 and here's your host, Jason Powers. 8 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: Well well, well, welcome into the week ten edition Florida 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:42,359 Football Insiders podcast. We have reached the month of November, 10 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:47,399 hard to believe, Halloween is here, Thanksgiving right around the corner, 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,880 and Christmas not too far away. 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: Appreciate you find us. 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,079 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jason down here in Tampa, part of 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,560 We are part of the College Gridiron Coast to Coast 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,320 podcast network feed If you've not already done and so 16 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:04,879 hit that subscribe button on your favorite podcast platform. We've 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,799 got a plethora of podcasts as part of the College 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,159 grid Iron Coast to Coast, things from the West Coast, 19 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:16,760 Big ten SEC acc Service, academies, and here in the 20 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:19,719 state of Florida as well. So again, appreciate you finding 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,280 us on the week ten edition. Lots of stuff going 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,599 on in the state of Florida football wise. We've got 23 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:34,359 coaching news. We've got coaching blunders, NFL everything in between. 24 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: We've got a good guest for you. 25 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:39,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Tony Sirah Cusa, the college football 26 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:42,799 managing editor for the Last Word for Last Word on Sports. 27 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:46,640 He's gonna give us some good chatter about the coaching 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,040 hot situation in Gainesville, potential change in Tallahassee Mario Cristobal 29 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:55,959 as well. So you'll enjoy our conversation with Tony. Before 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,640 we get to Tony's let's give you a little recap again. 31 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,319 Lots of news going on in the state of Florida 32 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:05,040 which could affect the Florida coaching hire. Obviously, you heard 33 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:09,840 the news Brian Kelly out at LSU. Obviously that puts 34 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,039 Lane Kiffin in line in the mix in LSU. As well, 35 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:18,800 the bizarre news that the governor of Louisiana is going 36 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,639 to spearhead this coaching search, not the athletics director sco 37 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:28,280 Scott Woodward Scott has not done a great job here 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,199 in the last couple of opportunities to hire a coach member. 39 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,120 He was the one that hired Jimbo Fisher, I mean 40 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:37,439 at Texas A and M and ended up having to 41 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:40,120 pay him seventy six million dollars to not be the coach. 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,879 He's now on the hook for a reported fifty four 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,199 million dollars to Brian Kelly following the firing on Sunday 44 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,759 after the disastrous performance in the second half versus Texas 45 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,159 A and M last weekend. So the governor the governor, 46 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,759 the governor Louisiana has stepped in and has said he 47 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,520 is going to kind of spearhead the coaching search, which 48 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,039 is another twist and turn and bizarre set of circumstances. 49 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:11,439 So how Scott Woodwards survives at LSU as the ad 50 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,120 not sure moving forward when your knees have been cut 51 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:18,000 from underneath of you and it's coaching higher. 52 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,039 Speaker 2: But we will see how that unfolds. 53 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:24,439 Speaker 1: But obviously all the speculation is that Lane Kiffen, in 54 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:27,520 addition to being the number one target in Gainesville, will 55 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,759 be the number one target in Baton Rouge. So we'll 56 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,520 see if Lane's gonna have a very interesting month of 57 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,120 November to ponder and continue to win games at Old Miss. 58 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:42,719 If he does, the playoffs are inevitable for Ole Miss 59 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:44,400 if they if they run the table, they will be 60 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:47,159 in the playoffs. But I'll be interesting to see how 61 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:51,039 this next thirty to forty days is handled by Lane 62 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Kiffen in Oxford concerning these job vacancies that. 63 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,159 Speaker 2: You know he is being offered behind. 64 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,719 Speaker 1: The scenes to Jimmy Sexton and his agent. How he 65 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,240 handles all that stuff in the playoff run at Old 66 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,840 Miss as well. So the Gators coming off of a 67 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:10,800 bye Billy Billy Gonzalez the interim coach, as they head 68 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,360 to Jacksonville this weekend for the cocktail party versus Georgia again, 69 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,040 I think you're gonna see a wide open offensive philosophy. 70 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:22,079 I think there's been the Billy Gonzalez has talked about. 71 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:24,199 He's gonna try to make things, make things a little 72 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,680 bit more wide open than they were maybe under Billy Napier. Again, 73 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,839 what does Billy Gonzalez have to lose? 74 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,879 Speaker 2: I E. Nothing. 75 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:34,519 Speaker 1: You might as well go guns to blaze in here 76 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,800 with Billy Napier. With Billy Napier gone, and this is 77 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,240 your opportunity. He's not getting the Florida job. I don't 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,839 care if he wins every single game. Uh, He's not 79 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:49,600 getting that job. But obviously these players Lagway and the 80 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,639 entire roster have are trying, are going to need to 81 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:55,360 put good stuff on film for the next coach and 82 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,639 Arthur potential entrance into the into the transfer portal. So 83 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,160 I do not expect the Florida team to to you know, 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,199 pack it in and just mail it in here because 85 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,120 they those those kids have a lot on the line 86 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,879 as well financially with a potential move to another school 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,399 or if they end up staying here with the new 88 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:19,600 coach in Gainesville. So interesting game. George is about a 89 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:22,160 seven point favorite. I expect Florida to be very competitive. 90 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,839 If you remember last year this game, Florida probably was 91 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:28,160 on their way to winning the game if if if 92 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,439 Lagway doesn't get hurt, he got hurt. I think smid 93 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,079 second quarter of that game, Florida was playing really well 94 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:36,319 and they were they were in a great space to 95 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:42,240 potentially win the game last year with what Lagway was doing. Again, 96 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,199 I expect this to be a very competitive game. Georgia 97 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,800 has struggled mightily in the first half of games. Their 98 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,879 defense is nowhere near to what they've been in the past. 99 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,360 But you do have to deal with Gunner Stockton. He'll 100 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:55,279 be He'll be a pain in the neck for the 101 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:58,759 Florida defense. Florida is fighting some injury issues in the 102 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,240 defensive backfield, so we'll see how that how that affects 103 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,480 the game. This is always one of those rivalry games 104 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,920 that no matter what the records of the teams are, 105 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:09,120 you get some in you get some goofy things that 106 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,000 happened in this game. And again I expect no different 107 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:15,920 this weekend in Jacksonville. All right, heads up, head let's 108 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,560 head up to Tallahassee. Wake Forest comes to town. Uh, 109 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:21,920 Florida State coming off the by and off the loss 110 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,879 at Stanford. We think Tommy cast Allowance is gonna play. 111 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,800 That's not been confirmed as of yet. But again, this 112 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,279 is a game. If if you're Norvel, you're oh and 113 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,279 four in the a CC. If you lose this game, 114 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:36,399 I think your your your fate will be sealed. You 115 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:39,519 cannot lose this game. His fate might be sealed already. 116 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,560 But if you lose to Wake Forest, it's gonna be 117 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,639 lights out in Tallahassee for Norvell and that staff. 118 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:46,439 Speaker 2: Again. 119 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, Michael Auford said they're gonna they're doing 120 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,120 They're gonna do a full assessment of the program. 121 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: At the end of the year. Uh. 122 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: What that means we don't know. But again, Norvell is 123 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,839 on shaky ground at best there so you shall see. 124 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:02,519 But again, a game you have to win if you're 125 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:07,720 Florida State against a feisty, competitive Wake Forest team who's 126 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:10,600 I believe five and three on their way to a 127 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,240 bowl game. 128 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: Potentially. 129 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: They beat SMU last week thirteen to twelve at the 130 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,720 gun with a long field goal. So this will not 131 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:21,920 be an easy test for Florida State coming off the 132 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:25,839 by and all the turmoil going surrounding Novelle's future. There 133 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:30,399 so down to Miami. Miami beat Stanford forty two to 134 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:33,120 seven last week. The game was seven to seven at 135 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,000 the half Florida. I mean Miami ended up running away 136 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,680 with the game in the second half. They stuck it 137 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,480 to Frank Reich in the Stanford cardinal there at the end, 138 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:43,800 kind of ran it up at the end, punched in 139 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:45,959 a late touchdown in the last thirty seconds that I 140 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 know Frank Reich did not like. I saw the handshake 141 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:50,959 at the end of the game. You could tell if 142 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:55,360 Reike was not amused with what Mario ran did at 143 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:56,839 the end there, punching it in at the end to 144 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:59,959 make it forty two to seven and to cover the number. 145 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,319 By the way, for those of you in the gambling world, 146 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,399 that that's that score did cover the number in the 147 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,680 last thirty seconds, so you figure Mario had that on 148 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:11,600 his mind as well. 149 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:12,519 Speaker 2: Mario. 150 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: The Canes head to SMU this week to play a 151 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,639 wounded Mustang team coming off the loss last week at SMU. 152 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,800 They've not played as well. They're at five and three 153 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,160 this year, their first conference loss. Tricky game here for Miami. 154 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:32,679 You cannot mess around here, and again, Miami is still 155 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,320 not out of the woods as far as getting to 156 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,120 the college football playoff. You have a late November date 157 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,720 at Pittsburgh which could be true, which will be tricky. 158 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,639 But again, if you're Miami, you got to take care 159 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,799 of business here on the road against a team that 160 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,600 you're better than in SMU. But you can't mess around 161 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,639 with your mess around and let this game get to 162 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:54,080 the fourth quarter. Miami is a big favorite, twelve to 163 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,879 twelve and a half point favorite at SMU, So keep 164 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:00,519 an eye on this game here on Saturday. Tricky spot 165 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:06,279 here for the Canes usf Alex Golish a complete meltdown disaster. 166 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:10,000 You blow a fourteen point lead at Memphis last week. 167 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,799 This one's on Alex Golish one. In my view, you're 168 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:17,279 up seven points with about twelve minutes to go in 169 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,879 the game and you don't kick a field goal. I'd 170 00:09:19,879 --> 00:09:23,360 think it was a horrendous decision by Alex Golish. You 171 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:25,799 don't kick a field goal fourth and three on the 172 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,440 seven yard line, you go for it, don't make it, Memphis, 173 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:32,759 The game ends up getting back to fourteen, and then 174 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:36,559 and then you lose. Just a terrible coaching decision by 175 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:41,960 Alex Golish, putting that USF program in peril to allow 176 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,279 to come back. They lose by three points. Gramatica misses 177 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,120 a long, long field goal at the gun to tie 178 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,000 the game, a field goal you would not have needed 179 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:53,240 to win the game if you kick. 180 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: The field goal earlier in the game. 181 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: So just this one on for me is one thousand 182 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,279 percent on Alex Golish from a co coaching perspective, a 183 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,600 lousy job of of reading the moment, reading the game. 184 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,559 His defense was playing well at the time, and you 185 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,080 and you just get greedy. These these coaches that go 186 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,679 for it all the time on fourth down. It never 187 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,960 gets discussed of all the times that you don't you 188 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,919 don't make it on fourth down, you cost yourself points 189 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,879 and then and then you end up losing the. 190 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,039 Speaker 2: Game or change thing. And what you what. 191 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: You do is you change the strategy of the game 192 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:29,639 by not kicking the field goal and putting putting us 193 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:31,120 F by up by two scores. 194 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,879 Speaker 2: It puts increased pressure on the Memphis. 195 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: It changes the strategy of how Memphis has to play things, 196 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,200 how they have to call plays when you're when you're 197 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,360 down two scores compared to one score. Just a again, 198 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:47,000 terrible job in my view, U Biaosh goals in that 199 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,840 uh in USF and really cost in USF a golden 200 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:53,120 opportunity to go to the playoff. I don't think they're 201 00:10:53,159 --> 00:10:54,720 going to the playoff this year. They still have to 202 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,320 go to Navy. I think two losses is going to 203 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,720 be a dagger. I don't think they're you know, they're 204 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,159 gonna need a lot of help from other people in 205 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,080 that conference, I e. Memphis and Navy to have any 206 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,879 opportunity to be in that conference title game. And I'm 207 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:11,559 not sure they're gonna get the help they think they're 208 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,440 They're gonna need to do that and again gonna ruin 209 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:17,799 not It's still gonna be a really good year for USF, 210 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:20,360 but it could have been an all time historic year 211 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:24,320 for USF, and I think it was large in large part. 212 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:26,519 Speaker 2: Due to just just a. 213 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: Poor, poor, poor coaching decision by Alex golis So. USF 214 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:33,440 does not have a game Saturday. They will play on Thursday, 215 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,399 November six against UTSA here in Tampa, but USF falls 216 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,440 to six and two heading into the bye week. FAU 217 00:11:42,519 --> 00:11:46,000 loses a hard fought game at Navy forty two thirty two. 218 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: They fall to three and five. They are off this week. 219 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: Jay Shawn Platt five catches, one hundred and twenty one 220 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,120 yards and a touchdown. Caden Veld camp through for two 221 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,159 ninety nine and a couple of touchdowns. Again a good 222 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,240 effort by FAU, but you lose to a the undefeated 223 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,360 Navy team, still undefeated in the American still undefeated overall. 224 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,279 And you will see USF again play at Navy here 225 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:13,960 in a couple of weeks as well. USF coming off UCF, 226 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,879 excuse me, coming off a bye week. They head to 227 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:19,039 Baylor this week, Scott Frost and company a game that 228 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:23,159 should be competitive, but UCF coming off the bye heading 229 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,679 to Baylor this week as well. FIU falls to three 230 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,360 and five. They lost on Wednesday night at Missouri State 231 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:34,240 twenty eight twenty one, and they head to Middle Tennessee 232 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,000 State next week next Saturday, so they get a basically 233 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,360 an extended bye week, a long weekend head before they 234 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,200 head to Middle Tennessee. So there's your recap of your 235 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:51,039 state schools again. Tony Siracusa, managing editor of the Last 236 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,399 Word on Sports College Football Analysts covers the ACC covers 237 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,960 Wake Forest. He'll give you some good insight on the 238 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,840 coaching jobs Miami. Me a little Wake Forest Florida State 239 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:05,399 preview as well. You'll enjoy our chat there. Again, appreciate 240 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,440 you finding us on your on the various podcast platforms. 241 00:13:08,879 --> 00:13:11,480 You can find me on x at JPO Sports. I'd 242 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,320 love to hear any comments that you might have concerning 243 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:17,080 the podcast. And again we are getting to the stretch 244 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,320 run of the month of November. Lots of stuff going 245 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,600 on again coaching wise here at FSU in Florida. And 246 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,039 then you got the run of Mitt Ken Miami get 247 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:28,799 to the finish line and get to the college football 248 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,320 playoff as well. 249 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: So appreciate you finding us. 250 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,039 Speaker 1: Enjoy the conversation with Tony and we will see you 251 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,639 next week on the Florida Football Insiders podcast. Be back 252 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,320 in a minute with the holidays right around the corner. 253 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,799 Interstraight cuts from the Fed and all the rest. 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All right, Welcome back 286 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:47,840 Florida Football Insiders Podcast. Now we take you to Charlotte, 287 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:51,399 North Carolina, where we are going to speak with a 288 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,000 first time you're here on the Florida Football Insiders Podcast. 289 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,799 Mister Tony sarah cusa college football editor managing editor for 290 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,799 the Last Word on Sports podcast Feed Network Tony covers 291 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:08,399 ACC football college football nationally and a former and he 292 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,320 covers Wake Forest as well, so very well versed in 293 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,080 the world. 294 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: Of college football. 295 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:14,679 Speaker 1: We got a lot going on, obviously in the state 296 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,159 of Florida with the Billy Napier situation, Florida coaching search, 297 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,679 potential move at Florida State, Miami's college football playoff host, 298 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,600 which Tony will talk about with his ACC connections. Welcome 299 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,639 into the podcast, sir, I appreciate you joining us. 300 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 4: Hey, Jason, happy to do it. 301 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to let's get to Let's go 302 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:38,600 to Gainesville first. Obviously, have lots and lots of drama 303 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,080 going on to the coaching carousel. Hard to believe there 304 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,960 are so many openings already. But as we get to 305 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,759 Halloween and head to November, just give me your overall 306 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:49,840 sense of the triggers that are being pulled around the 307 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,840 country at all these coaching jobs. 308 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's I think it's a couple of things. 309 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,399 If you look at last year, there was actually really 310 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,679 almost a historic low in the amount of coaching changes 311 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:04,079 that were made, and I think a lot of it 312 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,039 had to do with the uncertainty around finances for college 313 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:10,119 sports schools were waiting to see what was going to 314 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,400 happen with the House versus NCAA settlement or the lawsuit 315 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,440 as it still was back then, what was going to 316 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,759 happen with revenue sharing, and what was going to happen 317 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:22,759 with collectives and nil, and how their money was going 318 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,799 to be allocated. So I think a lot of schools 319 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,119 sat on making moves that they otherwise would have gone 320 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,400 on had and made. And of course, as someone who 321 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,559 who covers the sport as much as you do, you 322 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,960 also know that moving the early signing days into you know, 323 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:43,440 early to mid December makes a change. Also, if you're 324 00:17:43,519 --> 00:17:47,039 a school that is not doing well, that is, you know, 325 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:49,319 has a track record over a two or three year 326 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,240 period of struggling, you're trying to send a message to 327 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:56,279 those recruits and to the portal potential portal transfers that 328 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,119 you're not sitting on this inefficient or in sufficient play, 329 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,000 that you're being proactive. So I think when you look 330 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:09,240 at those things combined, you now have where what we 331 00:18:09,319 --> 00:18:13,839 are now, which is just a staggering amount of openings 332 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,160 already certainly with more to come. Also, I don't think 333 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,160 we're anywhere near done yet. 334 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: In your part of the world, a name that's been 335 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,839 talked about about whether he's gonna make it for a 336 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,440 year two Bill Belichick, give us a little sense of 337 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:31,680 what do you think? You know, do you think North 338 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,039 Carolina eats it and starts over? Do you think they 339 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,799 you think they try they give Bill Belichick a second year. 340 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,079 Speaker 4: I gotta be honest with you, I don't think Belichick 341 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,400 ever was coming back long term. I don't think for 342 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,240 all the for all the pomp and circumstance that surrounded his, 343 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:52,279 you know, his hiring, and you got to feel badly 344 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,599 for athletic director of public Cunningham, who didn't want Belichick 345 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,559 to begin with and went through that whole circus where 346 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:02,599 he off the sleeves from his suit, you know, to 347 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,720 look like Belichick's pooty at the press conference. I mean, 348 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,240 that was ridiculous. But now you have Cunningham who just decided, 349 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:12,599 you know, forget it, I'm going to retire when the 350 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,880 season's over. As ad He's moving on. And I don't 351 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,720 think Belichick ever was long term. And the reason I 352 00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:23,920 say that is because his initial buyout, He's got what 353 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,160 they call a reciprocal buyout, which is if you leave, 354 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,799 you owe this amount of money. If we fire you 355 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,039 without cause, we owe you this amount of money, and 356 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:35,279 it's generally the same amount of money. His buyout was 357 00:19:35,319 --> 00:19:38,680 ten million dollars, but on June fifteenth it went down 358 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,440 to one million. Who what school signs that contract with 359 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:50,119 the coach where six months in your reciprocal buyout is 360 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,440 virtually eliminated. I think everybody was cognizant of the fact 361 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,759 that he was using it to, you know, get back 362 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,519 into the coaching game. He got his son is one 363 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,720 of his top assistants, who could conceivably be the new 364 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,599 head coach. Now you have the meltdown of the season 365 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,519 that North Carolina is having. I don't I don't see 366 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:14,680 him being back for a year or two. I never 367 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:17,880 did to begin with, But now I really really don't. 368 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: Give me a couple of names if in Gainesville, if 369 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:24,000 Florida can't get Lane Kiff, and he clearly is the 370 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:26,759 number one guy on their list, give me a couple 371 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:28,519 of names that you think would be good fits in 372 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:31,599 Gainesville if they don't get Lane Kiffin that will fit 373 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,000 into that the pressure cooker of the SEC. 374 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think Lane Kiffin remains their number 375 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,640 one choice. But I think he's also going to be 376 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:43,400 LSU's number one choice. And you know, here's one of 377 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,640 the things real quickly that's happening is three weeks ago, 378 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:52,039 Penn State was the crown jewel of the job openings. 379 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,160 Then you got the Florida movement. Now you got the 380 00:20:55,319 --> 00:21:01,359 LSU movement. If you're a school like UCLA, man, you're 381 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,759 going down the total hole in terms of the visibility 382 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:09,880 and viability to get a top name head coach. I 383 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,000 think LSU trumps the Florida job a little bit. I 384 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,160 think there's some weirdness because the governor. 385 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:18,279 Speaker 2: Is now involved in the search. 386 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:21,039 Speaker 4: And if I'm a head coach, I'm sitting there going, man, 387 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:23,400 I don't know if I need meetings at the Governor's 388 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,680 office just to get this job. But if you don't 389 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,559 get Kiffin, look, I've seen Glenn Schuman's name mentioned the 390 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:35,440 defensive coordinator Georgia, Florida can do better than that. You 391 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,680 can do better. I think I think the top guy 392 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:42,759 is Eli Drinkwitz. I really do. Drink is a good coach. 393 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,920 He has not had a lot to work with at Missouri, 394 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:50,240 not the kind of resources you get at a Florida. 395 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:55,799 But you know, he's what forty four and twenty six 396 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,359 in his sixth year there. He had the one good 397 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,119 year at app State. He's a good coach. He's and 398 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,039 you'll appreciate this. He's well liked by the media. He's 399 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:09,680 a funny guy. You know, he's not well believed or not. 400 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:12,400 He's not well liked by a lot of other coaches. 401 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,079 He is a little too acerbic and a little too 402 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,359 glib with things he says. And I've got a you know, 403 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,960 long list of coaches who not big fans of the drink. 404 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,200 But I think he would do a good job there. Look, 405 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,920 he's been to four straight bowl games with Missouri. This 406 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,200 is a school that a handful of years ago we 407 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,000 were all still questioning why they left the Big twelve 408 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,359 slash Big eight before that and did they make a 409 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,000 mistake going to the SEC. They're in the middle of 410 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:47,240 the pack right now. They're six and two overall. They're 411 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:52,319 two and two in conference. But by Missouri standards, they're competitive, 412 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,960 and that's not easy to do at that school. It's right, 413 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,880 and I I you know, and the and you know, 414 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,400 you look at the other part of it, because I 415 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,400 think obviously in the state of Florida. This is always 416 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,319 a big deal. How do you recruit this area, right, 417 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,720 because man, it's a battle every day right with Miami 418 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:14,839 and Florida State and heck even USF. 419 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: Alabama coming into Alabama, Georgia going in at Missouri. 420 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 4: He's got eight players on his roster now from the 421 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,640 state of Florida at Missouri. That's not an easy pull. Heck, 422 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:31,079 he's got a linebacker from Saint Thomas Aquinas that is 423 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:35,839 not an easy pull to go to Missouri. From there, 424 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,119 he's got another dozen players from Georgia on his roster, 425 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:44,079 so he can recruit the area. And it's again, given 426 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,680 the improved resources or the increase in resources that he's 427 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,359 got or that he would get from Florida versus what 428 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,519 he's got from Missouri, I think he's a good coach 429 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:56,119 for the job. 430 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:57,759 Speaker 2: There you go, there, you go. 431 00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: Let's go down to Miami again and acc a fellow. 432 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,799 No coaching issues down there, but give me your sense 433 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:09,759 of Miami as a college football legitimate national championship contendent. 434 00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:11,519 We saw him slip up a couple of Friday nights 435 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,079 ago against Louisville. You know, they struggled a little bit 436 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,960 against Stanford out of the gate and they got a 437 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,720 tricky game this weekend in Dallas against SMU. The past 438 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:23,319 seems to be pretty good. If you win this game, 439 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,880 you may not even make the ACC title game because 440 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,519 what Georgia Tech and some other people are doing, but 441 00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,599 you should be in good shape for a spot. Give 442 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,200 me your give me an overview of what you think 443 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,160 of Miami this year. 444 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:38,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think Miami is definitely where we thought 445 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:41,519 they would be. I mean, in the ACC preseason poll, 446 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,119 I was one of the voters and had Miami's the 447 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,160 number two team. Now, I will tell you the pollsters 448 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,440 don't know anything because most of us had Clenson at 449 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:55,319 number one and that turnout for us. But at six 450 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,000 and one overall, two and one in conference, this is 451 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,920 not an easy game going to SMU this week. SMU 452 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,839 isn't as good as we thought they would be in 453 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:07,440 that they're only five and three overall. But SMU is 454 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,119 going to be emotional because that was a brutal loss 455 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,640 to have to take to Wake Forest last week. With 456 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,079 that last second field goal, SMU has lost and it 457 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,720 was the first conference loss, regular season conference loss ever 458 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,359 for SMU in the ACC and they're year and a 459 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,039 half in there. They have two Here, here's a point. 460 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:31,400 They have two losses in the ACC, the championship game 461 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,880 and the loss to Wake Forest. They were both by 462 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,480 fifty yard field goals on the last play of the game. Wow, 463 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:37,599 that's tough to swallow. 464 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: Man. 465 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:40,839 Speaker 4: But if you're Miami and you win this game and 466 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:44,160 you're looking ahead, you've got Syracuse at home and this 467 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,519 isn't last year Syracuse team where they're surprising people they're 468 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,599 not that good. You've got NC State, which is in 469 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,920 the annual Dave Dorn turmoil of under delivering on what 470 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,640 should have been there. You're at Virginia Tech and then 471 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,119 you're at pit to close the season. I will put 472 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,680 an asterisk on that one. Pitt is playing well their 473 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,799 freshman quarterback because outstanding. That's a tough one, and people 474 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,440 who follow our work know that Miami fans hate this. 475 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,000 When I refer to Mario Cristoball as coach in Stacart, 476 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,359 I'm fine with him doing the shopping. I don't want 477 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,759 him doing the cooking. Because every year there's a game 478 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,160 that Miami loses that they shouldn't, that they have no 479 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,640 business losing. That was fine with the Louisville loss. Louisville 480 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,400 is a good team, good quarterback, good running back. You 481 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,440 knew that Miami was eventually going to get their footing 482 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,680 in the Stanford game. There was no way Stanford was 483 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,039 going to beat him. You didn't think it would be 484 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,640 thirty five points in the second half to do it, 485 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,559 but they got there. I'm still waiting for that, for 486 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,720 that Mario Cristoball game where they slip up when they shouldn't, 487 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:53,119 and it very well could be that pit game at 488 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,599 the end of the season. Does a two loss ACC 489 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,480 team make the playoff if they are not in the 490 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,680 championship game. They don't think so, because I think you're 491 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,200 only going to get two ACC teams in. I think 492 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,000 they need to be playing in the championship game, win 493 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,400 or lose. Right, They need to be in that championship 494 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,440 game to make the playoffs. 495 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you make a great point about Mario batching the 496 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,200 game management stuff he's he's notorious for doing, and. 497 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,839 Speaker 4: It happened when I was on the West coast back 498 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,519 twelve he did Oregon. This isn't something, This isn't a 499 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,880 Miami thing. This is a Mario Christobal thing. 500 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: No, doubt, no doubt, give me a thought about let's 501 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,720 go to Tallahassee where you're obviously the team you cover. 502 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:39,200 Wake Forest is heading to Tallahassee this weekend coming off 503 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,599 the nice win against SMU. The complete cratering that's going 504 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,799 on at Tallahassee from seven weeks ago when they were 505 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,079 at the top of the college football world when they 506 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,480 thumped Alabama and everybody thought Florida State's back to where 507 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,559 they were two years ago. 508 00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: They've gone, you know, haven't. 509 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: Won a conference game since, you know, the terrible loss 510 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,640 at Stanford, all that stuff, Norvelle, you know, the buyout's huge. 511 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,000 Florida State's not known for having a ton of money 512 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,599 up there in Tallahassee. Do you think he makes it? 513 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,480 Do you think he survives? How do you think this? 514 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,119 With everything else that's going around in the college in 515 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,400 the coaching world, can Florida State afford to wait another 516 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,680 year to do this? I give Florida State credit for 517 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,160 coming out publicly and say nothing is going to happen 518 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,279 until the end of the season. 519 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:28,839 Speaker 4: Everybody just ride through this. But man, your own four 520 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,359 in conference play and you've got to play Wake. You 521 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,960 got to play at Clemson. Still, you've got to play 522 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,000 in See State, you got to play Virginia Tech, and 523 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,799 then of course you close the season with a non 524 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,759 conference game against Florida. I'm looking at two to three 525 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,480 more losses in there. I don't see how you do it. 526 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,559 I don't see how you keep norvelle. I like Mike's 527 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,640 a good guy. He does well with the press conferences, which, 528 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,119 of course for people like the two of us, that matters. 529 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,000 We like the good coaching press conferences. But man, I 530 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:04,400 last year they could deal with the meltdown because of 531 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,279 the number of players that left and having it being 532 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,799 a rebuild. But now, what what's the excuse? 533 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,119 Speaker 2: Now? 534 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: We all bit into the apple when they beat Alabama 535 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,640 in Week one? I did, you probably did, and most 536 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,920 of us did. They're back. They're back, maybe not to 537 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,799 the conference championship level that they were a couple of 538 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,400 years ago, but they have their footing back. They don't 539 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,480 three and four overall. You know, you look at Alabama 540 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,519 now and the question really is, wow, how'd you ever 541 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,279 lose to Florida State? Because Alabama is a really good 542 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,799 team right now, that you ever lose Florida State, I 543 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,359 don't see how he survives. I really don't. I know 544 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,720 the buyout is big, but I also know Florida State 545 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,960 is kind of back and forth with the idea of 546 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:55,000 taking some private equity investment and things like that. The 547 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:56,960 money will be there, I would and I would also 548 00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,680 say this, the buyouts are never as much is what 549 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,440 they look like at the beginning, And that's true. You know, 550 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,880 I know we're talking about the fifty million dollars buyout 551 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,680 at LSU, nay Peers buy out, the Penn State buy out. 552 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,319 They all look huge, but there are all these clauses 553 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,599 in the contract that wind up lowering that amount. A 554 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,559 lot of them have a duty to mitigate clause, which 555 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:23,960 means you're required to go look for a job. You 556 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,440 don't get to just sit on your barking lounger and 557 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,240 take our direct deposit. A lot of them have offset 558 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,880 clauses so that when you get another job, whatever you're 559 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,920 getting paid, the different from that new employer comes out 560 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,200 of what we owe you. You know, at the end 561 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,079 of the day, most of them wind up getting cut 562 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,079 in half. It's still a lot of money. What a 563 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:46,880 little bit more management. 564 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, give me give me 565 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,000 a quick thought on the on the Wake Forest program, 566 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,880 Dickert's done a pretty good job there. 567 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,519 Speaker 2: They're one game away from being Bowl eligible. Yeah. 568 00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,119 Speaker 1: Again, that's that's been a program over the years that's 569 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,319 had some had some moments. 570 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: Jim Company, That's. 571 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: A tough place to recruit in, tough place to win consistently. 572 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:06,359 Just give me a sense of that Wake Forest program 573 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,920 as they head to Tallahassee this weekend. 574 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a totally different vibe. You know, Dave Clawson 575 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:16,599 was very professorial, he was very cerebral about everything. Dickert 576 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,680 is the prototypical Midwestern football coach. He came from Wisconsin 577 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:25,319 and guys chops at you know, in North Dakota and Wyoming, 578 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,519 and he's the high energy guy and the players have 579 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,640 bought into that. The biggest difference is the defense. This 580 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,200 team went from being in the low nineties to the 581 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,920 one hundreds into ranking in total defense to number twenty 582 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,640 three in the country right now in total defense. It 583 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,559 is aggressive, it is blitzing. They've got a defensive line 584 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,480 that's got guys with NFL pedigree. They've got Langston Hardy 585 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,759 and Camden Hardy, who you know whose dad played in 586 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,680 the NFL. They've got Gabe Kirshky, whose dad Travis Kershy's 587 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,160 got a couple of Super Bowl rings with the Steelers. 588 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,279 They've got guys who get it, and it's and it's 589 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,920 a mix of guys who came back and guys from 590 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,400 the transfer portal. Dicker cuts up Aouston could never have 591 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,519 gotten thirty six players in the transfer board. There is 592 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,640 a little bit of leniency that was given from admission 593 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,000 from the administration, which happens where the Forest fans hate 594 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680 it when I say that happens everywhere. For a new coach, sure, 595 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,200 and a little yeah, a few guys and you otherwise 596 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,480 wouldn't have gotten in that thirty six players is double 597 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:34,400 what Clawson had in the last four years combined. So 598 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,480 it's a good team. They still struggle at the quarterback position, 599 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,599 but that defense is carrying them. 600 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: And the good thing for a place like Wake Forrest 601 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:48,319 is you look, you look East, I'm sorry West, and 602 00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,359 you see what they're doing in Nashville, that there's hope 603 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,160 for a school that's academically oriented a little more harder 604 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,519 to get into from a player perspective, that there's some 605 00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:59,599 hope down the road that if you get the right 606 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,079 quarter back, you get the right coach, you could. 607 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,559 Speaker 2: Put together a year like Vanderbilt having. Right. 608 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh absolutely, Vanderbilt two years ago made an investment 609 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:13,400 both in their in their facilities and uh in their 610 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,559 in their players, in the football program as a whole. 611 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,759 I mean, I've been to games at Vanderbilt where you know, 612 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,559 the visiting team had more fans than the home than 613 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,279 the home team did. It's not that way anymore. Wake 614 00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,599 has already spent in the facilities they They had a 615 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,000 new thirty six million dollar football training facility unveiled two 616 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:38,599 years ago, so that's already there. Now they're investing in 617 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,119 the program itself. The revenue sharing obviously is a big 618 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,519 help because Wake Forest doesn't have a big collective. It's 619 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,039 the smallest school out of all the power for conferences, 620 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,400 so there's not a huge alumni base to kick in 621 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,359 tons of money. There's a wealthy alumni base, but you 622 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,680 can only keep going to those same people so many 623 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,359 times asking for more money before it drives up. So 624 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,039 the revenue sharing has made a big difference for a school, 625 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,440 no doubt. 626 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: Well, Tony, great work. I appreciate the time. Tony's the 627 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,840 managing editor. 628 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,599 Speaker 1: College Football edited the Last Word on sports at Tony 629 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,440 Bruin is his handle on ex and Twitter that used 630 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,880 to cover his buddy Chip Kelly out in lost. 631 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:21,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. 632 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,519 Speaker 4: Chip Chip wished me a fond farewell as I was 633 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,039 leaving California and headed out to North Carolina. Chip Chip 634 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:29,960 did not shed a tear when I left. 635 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 2: And is Chip is struggling. 636 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: He's making a nice paycheck, but they're struggling mightily out 637 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,039 in Vegas with the Raiders. So a little karma for 638 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,599 treating our buddy Tony with some disdain. So keep up 639 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,760 the great word, appreciate the time, and we'll talk soon. 640 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Jason be Well, you got all right. 641 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,599 Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us Florida Football Insiders Podcast. Enjoy the 642 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,440 weekend of football in the state of Florida. Hard to 643 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,079 believe we are a week ten already. It's it is 644 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,920 getting close. We are in the month of November and 645 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,960 we will see you next time on the Florida Football 646 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,559 Insiders Podcast. Thanks for listening to the Florida Football Insiders 647 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:10,039 Podcast as part of the College Gridiron Coast to Coast 648 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,719 podcast network. 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