1
00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:23,199
Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot com.

2
00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:26,640
Speaker 2: Well, good morning, or they'd be good afternoon, depending where

3
00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,600
you are in the country. I want to just say hello,

4
00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:31,359
I am your host for the next thirty minutes, doctor

5
00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:33,920
Jeff Weber here and ask the vets with the Doctor Jeff,

6
00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,759
the only live call in show here on Pet Life Radio,

7
00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:39,600
and callin me. We want you to call in.

8
00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,719
Speaker 3: We want some questions.

9
00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:43,520
Speaker 2: We want concerns with anything to do with your animals,

10
00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,479
with your pets. Give me a call, we'll discuss Chances

11
00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,960
are if it's dog or cat, you're gonna get an answer immediately.

12
00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,479
If it's something other, depending on the species you want

13
00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,200
to talk about or the question, I.

14
00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,799
Speaker 3: May do a little homework and get back to you.

15
00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,920
Speaker 2: But for anybody who does call in or send an

16
00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,600
email live on the show, or send me an email

17
00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,560
during the week and I'll read it next week, we

18
00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,079
will send you out. Thanks to our sponsors pet pro

19
00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,000
Sense Pet Products and the Kung Venter Night Products KVP,

20
00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,079
we will send you out free congtoy and a free

21
00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,840
pro Sense pet product. And it's so easy to get

22
00:01:14,879 --> 00:01:16,760
a hold of us. First of all, you can dial

23
00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:20,000
in toll free eight seven seven three eight five eight

24
00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,400
eight eight two once again eight seven seven three eight

25
00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,000
five eight eight A two another way. Log onto petlife

26
00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,200
Radio dot com the opening page.

27
00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:30,040
Speaker 3: Click on the left.

28
00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,200
Speaker 2: You'll see how this little in bright yellow all the

29
00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:35,000
different shows. Click on ask the bets of Doctor Jeff

30
00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:38,640
and you can just enter, join in the conversation, type

31
00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,640
away and we will read and answer your question. And lastly,

32
00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:45,719
you can send an email right now to Drjeff at

33
00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,760
Petlife Radio dot com. It will be folded to me

34
00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,159
live and we can converse that way. So there are

35
00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:55,159
so many easy ways that we want to hear from you.

36
00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,599
And you know, I just saw talked to our producer

37
00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,079
Mark one of the things that I would like to

38
00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,640
hear from you, and you don't even You can keep

39
00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,799
it anonymous if you're embarrassed, if you're shy, if you

40
00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,879
don't want to get a free product, that's okay. But

41
00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:09,840
any topic, anything that you've been dealing with your pet,

42
00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,639
maybe anticipate dealing with your pet, just something you want

43
00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,879
to know more about in a way that I will

44
00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,560
explain it so you can really understand the process, understand

45
00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,360
the diagnostic options and whyse understand the treatment options and

46
00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,080
the whyse et cetera. I know that many of you

47
00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:29,120
sometimes feel a bit of lost, and then what you

48
00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:30,840
do is you go onto the internet.

49
00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:31,680
Speaker 3: Which is okay.

50
00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,199
Speaker 2: It's okay, but not great number of reasons. The Internet,

51
00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,479
as I say, it's probably the number one source of

52
00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:41,120
information nowadays. But when people call me and they tell

53
00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,919
me what they'read on the internet, I also say it's

54
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,240
the number one source of misinformation. I don't mean misinformation,

55
00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:49,319
they're wrong, but I will draw this analogy. When young

56
00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,759
veter night students come out of at school, they have

57
00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:54,840
a certain vision, a certain idea of the kind of

58
00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,840
cases they see and the necessary diagnostics and treatment. The

59
00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,479
problem is that the cases that they are usually seeing

60
00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:04,879
at many veterinary schools, unless of course they're going to

61
00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,879
a VET school that has what's called a community hospital,

62
00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:11,039
where they are just doing regular stuff that most of

63
00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,599
us are going to see and most of you are

64
00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,039
going to have issues with, they are getting the cream

65
00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,039
of the crop cases as far as difficulty and complication.

66
00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,479
Speaker 3: So these students work on these cases.

67
00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:24,759
Speaker 2: They're being worked up by the clinicians, by the residents,

68
00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:26,800
whether it's inter or medicine or surgery, or in college

69
00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,719
or dentistry or behavior or whatever the case may be.

70
00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,639
And by the time they get out of school, they

71
00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,479
think that every case that comes to their door is

72
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,159
going to be that kind of case, and they're jumping

73
00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:39,680
on it to decide on which diagnostics to employ, to

74
00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:41,319
decide on what treatments to employ.

75
00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:41,840
Speaker 3: And it's like.

76
00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,639
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa time out, time out? Why are you thinking that?

77
00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:48,240
That is not what you're going to see typically in practice.

78
00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,479
So unfortunately, the internet picks up on that. So when

79
00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:53,680
people come in and they went on the internet because

80
00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:57,520
their dog had a little running eye, okay, and right

81
00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,360
away they're talking about all these bizarre esoteric diseases and

82
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,159
the ophthalmologist and the electroretinograms, it's like time out, time out,

83
00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:08,960
Slow down. It's probably just a little bit of an

84
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000
irritation or conjunctivitis treat that first. As I like to

85
00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:14,560
say in my analogy of the horses and the zebras,

86
00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:18,439
and certainly this is a California analogy by location, but

87
00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:21,279
as you can imagine, it can go anywhere where you

88
00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,279
might find typically find some horses. And that is if

89
00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:26,720
you're running along the beach in Malibu and you hear

90
00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,439
hoof beats chasing you from behind? What are you thinking?

91
00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,680
Horses are zebras? And clearly the answer is horses. So

92
00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,839
why doctor, are you looking for that zebra?

93
00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:37,040
Speaker 3: That case? That might be one in a zillion.

94
00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:39,839
Speaker 2: You might might get two or three in your entire

95
00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:42,800
thirty five forty year practice career, and you think you're

96
00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,319
getting it today on the first week of practice. No, no, no, no,

97
00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,639
it's not going to happen that way. And the other

98
00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,680
one makes a lot of sense. If it looks like

99
00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,839
a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,

100
00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:56,000
it's probably a dock. So with that in mind, I

101
00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,079
would like to hear from you, what types of issues

102
00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,480
have you been having with your pets things? Maybe you've

103
00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:03,480
gone to the veterinarian a number of times before. I'll

104
00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,759
give you a simple one. This client of mine comes

105
00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,279
in with a dog that's rescued, and it had been

106
00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,920
to a number of veterinarians already for an eye discharge

107
00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,000
them not it just so happens. I use that as

108
00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,079
an example, but now it is a real case an

109
00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:20,199
eye discharge, and the eye look pretty good to me.

110
00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,759
But clearly, clearly a lot of excessive tearing we call epiphraa,

111
00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,519
and she was coming to me for a diagnosis and evaluation.

112
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,639
So of course when I the first thing, I was

113
00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,759
looking at the eyelids. Why is this dog tearing so much?

114
00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:36,680
Is it because there might be? Of course, they ruled

115
00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,800
out many a time with what we call a fluorescian

116
00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:43,480
stain that there's any kind of corneal abrasion cornial ulcer lesion.

117
00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,519
Of course that's going to cause discomfort and a lot

118
00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,680
of tearing. But with those dogs, typically you can see

119
00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,879
the lids at work. You can see what we call blephorospasm.

120
00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,279
They're blinking, they're uncomfortable, the eyes are red, they're pawing

121
00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:59,000
at the eyes. So I put that lower on my list. Again,

122
00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,959
I don't take things off my list anymore. I'm not

123
00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:01,959
that cocky as.

124
00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:02,319
Speaker 3: I used to be.

125
00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:04,399
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna put it lower. So I then

126
00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:07,759
look at the eyelids. Oftentimes we'll see an eyelids something

127
00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,480
called disticchiasis or trick coiasis, which are adbarrant lashes that

128
00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,120
are growing either in the wrong location or the wrong direction,

129
00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:19,279
and they are rubbing at the eyeball. It's kind of

130
00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,160
like getting that little piece of sand or if anyone

131
00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,319
whereas contact lenses, You know the feeling when you get

132
00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:26,600
something caught under the lens, but man, it's irritating and

133
00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:28,759
you tear a lot. So I looked under the lids,

134
00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,600
I saw nothing. I said, you know what, I'm gonna

135
00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,399
do a fluorescian stain. But I'm not gonna do the

136
00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:34,680
fluoresciinstain to see if there's any lesions on the.

137
00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:35,959
Speaker 3: Cornea that's been done already.

138
00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,920
Speaker 2: What I want to do is I'm going to put

139
00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:40,120
the stain the die in the eye, and then I'm

140
00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,319
going to take my black light, my woods lamp, and instead

141
00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,399
of holding it on the eye to see if there's

142
00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:47,879
any scratches or lesions or brasions on the cornea, I'm

143
00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:50,519
gonna hold it at the nose. And one might say,

144
00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,360
what does the nose.

145
00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:52,879
Speaker 3: Have to do with the eye?

146
00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,120
Speaker 2: Doctor, you nuts know what happens is naturally tears drained

147
00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,360
through tear ducts that empty in the nose, which is

148
00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,000
one of the reasons why I oftentimes we see a

149
00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:07,040
very slight, clear discharge out of a dog's nose, and

150
00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,040
why dog's noses are often wet as well. So what

151
00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:11,439
I want to do is I want to see if

152
00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:14,120
I put the dye in the eye, the discharge coming

153
00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:18,800
out should be that same fluorescent, bright green that it

154
00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,879
would be that I would be looking for on the eyeball,

155
00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:25,360
And if the tear ducks were working properly, within a

156
00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:28,240
few seconds twenty thirty seconds of half a minute the most,

157
00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:32,759
I'm going to see this bright fluorescent green dye coming

158
00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,240
out of the nose and draining onto the upper lip.

159
00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:37,439
And then I'm going to know, well, at least at

160
00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,560
least I know that the tear ducks themselves are working.

161
00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,079
So sure enough, put the dye in the eyes. I'm

162
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,920
sitting there thirty seconds, a minute, a minute and a half,

163
00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,360
there is no dye coming out of the nose, bing

164
00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:54,560
bing bing bing for like pennies compared to what some

165
00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,720
of these places were doing. Right, I have a diagnosis.

166
00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:02,000
The diagnosis is this dog's tear ducts are plugged. And

167
00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,680
now my next step, of course, is gonna have to

168
00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,439
sedate and flush them and try to pass what we

169
00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:09,120
call a canula, a very thin piece of suture material

170
00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,600
through them. And when everything is working perfectly, this is

171
00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:14,160
really the coolest thing you find a little papollo, which

172
00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:16,120
is the opening of the duct is one on the

173
00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,439
upper and the lower lid both towards them what we

174
00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,240
call the medial canthus the inside maybe a quarter of

175
00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:23,399
an inch away from the actual corner of the eye,

176
00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:26,160
both upper lower, and you find the little papilla and

177
00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:30,360
you actually start threading a thin piece of nylon suture

178
00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:32,879
through the pillar and when everything is working perfectly, all

179
00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:35,480
of a sudden, this thin seiture material as you're passing.

180
00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:37,720
It's like rot to ruter. It's coming out of the nose.

181
00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,519
So you know that at least at that point everything

182
00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,600
is okay. Now, could there be some duct anomalies where

183
00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,639
the papilla, the opening the pillar are not open. Is

184
00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:48,960
the thin membrane it's covering them so they're not working

185
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,480
at all? So of course my next question was have

186
00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,960
these eyes ever been normal? And the answer was yes,

187
00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:55,240
oh this is this is something new.

188
00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:55,960
Speaker 3: Ah.

189
00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,039
Speaker 2: So if this is something new, then the whole idea

190
00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:01,200
of having congenital anomaly where there's a thin membrane covering

191
00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,360
the pillar that I have to cut away, I could put.

192
00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,200
Speaker 3: That again way lower on my list.

193
00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:08,639
Speaker 2: Why because if the dog was presenting like this, since

194
00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:11,200
it was a puppy. Then I would say, okay, it's

195
00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:12,840
maybe that's one of the things that my lists have

196
00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:15,840
to look at to resolve. But clearly it wasn't. So

197
00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,600
this dog was normal up until a few weeks ago.

198
00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:21,639
So I'm thinking had some kind of infection developed, some mucus.

199
00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:24,559
The mucus got in the duct and somewhere from the

200
00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,080
papilli and the eyeball down to the nose at the

201
00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,240
opening of the duct, there's a plug and I'm going

202
00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,519
to next week or the week after that, I'm going

203
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,240
to drain it.

204
00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:32,799
Speaker 3: Fix it.

205
00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,240
Speaker 2: I put the dog on some palma oinment with a

206
00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,320
little cordico steroids. Maybe it's an inflammatory problem, so if

207
00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,240
we can decrease the inflammation, maybe.

208
00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:40,559
Speaker 3: That would help.

209
00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,919
Speaker 2: But bottom line is we'll get an answer. And I

210
00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,679
wasn't thinking zebras. I was thinking horses. And as I said,

211
00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:52,639
for very a little common sense and a single diagnostic

212
00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,759
test and we have an answer. So that's kind of

213
00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:57,799
the kind of things I like to talk about. How

214
00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,679
to continually have you guys have your veterinarians practice what

215
00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:04,120
I like to call the Kiss rule, which is keep

216
00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,120
it simple, stupid, and too many of my veterinary colleagues.

217
00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,440
I don't think are doing that. They are looking for

218
00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,639
the big problems. The Internet looks at the big problems,

219
00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,000
and the Internet doesn't give you the more basic, more

220
00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,519
common Try this first, you know, I.

221
00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:19,840
Speaker 3: Always there's nothing.

222
00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,399
Speaker 2: If you've ever presented with something that's not impending emergency

223
00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:25,320
and you're still not sure where you want to go

224
00:10:25,399 --> 00:10:27,320
with it, treat it empirically for a day or two.

225
00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:30,159
See what happens. The body's amazing. The body wants to

226
00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:32,399
fix itself most of the time, So most of the time,

227
00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,799
let the body do its work before you start getting

228
00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,639
involved and make things worse. I've sent cases to emergency

229
00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:40,279
clinics before and they made it worse. All you have

230
00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,799
to do is sit back and kind of let the

231
00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,840
body do is thing. Anyway, we're about fifteen minutes into

232
00:10:44,919 --> 00:10:47,120
our show. I'm going to take a quick break for

233
00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:50,200
our sponsors, you know, the drill, and I'll be back

234
00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,399
right here with doctor Jeff. Here, it asked if that's

235
00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,879
the doctor Jeff on pet Life Radio.

236
00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,200
Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages.

237
00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,799
Speaker 3: Stay tuned. This is my tired of itching face.

238
00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:09,320
Speaker 2: Does your dog suffer from persistent itching? And scratching, allergies

239
00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:14,000
and skin irritations caused by environment, including pollens, insects, especially fleas,

240
00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:17,279
food and common household allergens are common problems and dogs.

241
00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,639
It's easy to alleviate your dog's comfort at home with

242
00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,000
pro Sense. Pro Sense itch analogy products provide fast relief

243
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,840
from symptoms like itchy irritated skin, skin infections like hotspots

244
00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:30,000
and watery eyes. Pro Sense products are veterany formulated and

245
00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,879
recommended to ensure the very best for your pet. Try

246
00:11:32,919 --> 00:11:36,200
Prosens today. Your dog will thank you for best love life,

247
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,039
Love them back with pro Sense.

248
00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,399
Speaker 4: Tired of wasting money on giant boxes of litter that

249
00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,320
don't work and don't last. Switch to World's Best Cat Litter,

250
00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,279
the only litter with concentrated power, so even a small

251
00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:55,200
bag last one cat thirty days. Outstanding odor control, quick lumping, lightweight,

252
00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,440
it's eaten, fleshable, World's Best cat litter. Everything else is

253
00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,120
just find it near you at www dot It's not

254
00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:06,600
just litter dot com. That's www dot It's not just

255
00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,159
litter dot com.

256
00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,039
Speaker 5: Active four Pads is a new wellness platform and app

257
00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:14,679
that helps pet parents save time and money on their

258
00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:19,080
vet bills. Stop paying for unnecessary VET treatments. Consult with

259
00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,840
the vet online. Get unlimited access to your pets entire

260
00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,519
health history from any computer or smartphone with the Active

261
00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:32,080
four pads app vaccinations, medications, test results, and more. Active

262
00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:34,919
four pats gives you access to a team of expert

263
00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,679
vets for non emergency care. Make an appointment before, during,

264
00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:42,279
or after office hours, skip the waiting room and get

265
00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:46,399
a secure online VET console on your schedule. Taking care

266
00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,000
of your pets is as easy as it gets with

267
00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,639
Active four pads. Ready to try Active four pats listeners

268
00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,519
get forty percent off a one year membership. To get

269
00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,519
this great offer, use promo code pet life on the

270
00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,000
sign up page of activefour pets dot com. That's a

271
00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:06,080
C T I V the number four p E T

272
00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,559
s dot com or call eight eight eight five one

273
00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,159
two two eight four eight.

274
00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,039
Speaker 3: Let's talk past. Let's gone past on radio, headline.

275
00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,559
Speaker 1: Radio, pet live radio dot.

276
00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:40,720
Speaker 2: Com and welcome back to bet Live Radios. Asked Evat

277
00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:43,080
to doctor Jeff. I'm your host, doctor Jeff Berber. You

278
00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,559
know tomorrow morning I start a crazy week. I'm first

279
00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,440
of all so crazy. I'm being picked up at three

280
00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:52,759
thirty in the morning thank you very much. As I'm

281
00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,360
off to Toronto through Chicago. I'll be working for the

282
00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,759
next we see Tuesday Wednesday in Toronto area, then flying

283
00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:03,279
to Vancouver for Thursday in Vancouver and finally back home,

284
00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,519
and I'm going to be talking about summer tips for pets.

285
00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:09,600
Speaker 3: It's a media chore. It's called I'll be hitting.

286
00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:13,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'll be one busy guy from station

287
00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,360
to station, to radio show to magazine, article to interview,

288
00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:17,480
all over the place.

289
00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,320
Speaker 3: It's going to be.

290
00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,200
Speaker 2: Sponsored by Mars PetCare, and you know, it's interesting. The premise,

291
00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,159
of course is pet safety during the summertime. And also

292
00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,440
they're probably something that is becoming a little bit more

293
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,000
popular now and.

294
00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:31,639
Speaker 3: We call that mixed feeding.

295
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,120
Speaker 2: And you know, over the years we have learned that

296
00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,200
in many circumstances, though most of us don't do it myself,

297
00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,320
included from my dogs, but I'm going to change for

298
00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,039
my cats. I've picked up this a long time ago

299
00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:46,679
and have made the changes. And that is they're promoting.

300
00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,240
And it's interesting. It's a media tour sponsored by Mars

301
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,960
PetCare on Mars owns items and pedigree and whiskeys and

302
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,759
Caesar and temptations it's under the Waltham Nutrition Center in

303
00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:59,919
the United Kingdom is also under the Mars PetCare umbrella.

304
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,159
A lot of amazing research comes out of that. But

305
00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:05,600
what they are having me do is not necessarily promote

306
00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,039
any brands. What they want to promote is the research

307
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,440
that they found at Waltham, and that is the benefits

308
00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,399
of mixed feeding. And I was actually surprised at some

309
00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,600
of the things that we learned. But you know, we

310
00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:20,600
know that in dogs, for example, urinary attack, infections and

311
00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,039
urinary problems are of greater incidents in the small breeds.

312
00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,840
And one of the things we also noticed seventy percent

313
00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:29,480
of pet owners, seventy percent of you that have dogs

314
00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,080
are feeding your dogs just dry food, which by the way,

315
00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:35,639
is nutritionally sound, nutritionally balanced. But we're determining, we're learning

316
00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,720
that may be advantages of actually feeding mixed in and

317
00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:41,320
it could be a whatever percent you want. It could

318
00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,360
be twenty five to seventy five, sixty forty, It doesn't

319
00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,759
make it different. You can actually just first feed some

320
00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,639
canned and then let them gobble it up, which they

321
00:15:47,639 --> 00:15:50,440
probably will, and then leave the dry out to graze

322
00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,159
for a little longer. There's no magic to how to

323
00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:55,240
do it, how to make the switch, and how much

324
00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:58,360
the feed of each The idea is that dogs, many

325
00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,799
of our dogs, can benefit as well from cant food diets.

326
00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,360
Number one of which, especially this time here, is hydration.

327
00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:07,080
Even though we think the dogs will take in as

328
00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:10,480
much water as they need, that's not always a case.

329
00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,120
So by giving them some canned food as well, which

330
00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:15,759
is a high water content, then they are getting more hydration.

331
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,600
Speaker 3: And how do we know? How do we know what

332
00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:18,039
we were?

333
00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:21,120
Speaker 2: Do? We learn that dogs don't necessarily take in as

334
00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,039
much water as they need. We learn from cats because

335
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,519
cats are not good water drinkers, and many of the

336
00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:29,159
problems we get we see with cats with feline lower

337
00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,480
urinary check disease are related to the fact they're not

338
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,360
getting enough water. So one of the ways we can

339
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,799
come about that is to also feed them canned food.

340
00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:37,919
With cats is another big reason, and that is the

341
00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,879
cats are obligate carnivores. They need to eat meat, really

342
00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:45,200
good meat, and what happens with dry food. Dry food

343
00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,159
has meat, is no doubt, but it also has a

344
00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:50,279
lot of carbs, and the feeling is the reason we

345
00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:53,639
see so many overweight cats. Cats that are predisposed to

346
00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:58,240
Type two diabetes is because they're on dry food only diets.

347
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,879
And I'm not saying eliminate the dry food, but you

348
00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:02,960
want to mix in some can food. They need to

349
00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:06,119
have more caned food, they need to have real meat,

350
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,319
they need to have more water in the diets, and

351
00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,599
they need to have less carbs. And interestingly, though one

352
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,039
would think one would think that the can food is

353
00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,000
more fanning, and that's not the case.

354
00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,039
Speaker 3: It's actually less.

355
00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,720
Speaker 2: Calories program of canned food than in dry food. So

356
00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,400
again because some of those grams is water versus the

357
00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:29,799
dry food is all filler as carbs, and they're getting

358
00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:32,839
more calories. So it's very interesting.

359
00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:33,400
Speaker 3: To learn this.

360
00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:34,759
Speaker 2: And so what we're gonna do is we're going to

361
00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:38,279
be promoting the concept of mixed feeding and also a

362
00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,359
lot of summertime tips and so you know we're prepared.

363
00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,720
I mean, some of the things you need to know about.

364
00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:45,039
First of all, it gets hot out there, so for

365
00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:47,960
those of you and oh let me backtrack a second,

366
00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:50,119
we all want to get out and if not we

367
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,319
want to, we need to. I'm sure I'm not even

368
00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,839
looking at you and just judging by our wonderful country

369
00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,319
and the problem with many of us being sort of

370
00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:02,000
wearing packing on a few more pounds than we should have,

371
00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,359
especially after winter. We should be outside exercising as well.

372
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,000
It's good for us, it's good for our dogs, it's

373
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,799
good for developing and maintaining that wonderful bond that we

374
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,559
shared with our pets. So it's time, it's time spent.

375
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,720
It's fun, but we need to do it, but we

376
00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:15,839
don't want to do it in the middle of the day.

377
00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,960
We got to be very, very careful. Once that sun

378
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,839
comes up, guys, it is really hot. And not only

379
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,920
is it hot in the evening. When you think, okay,

380
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,319
the sun's down, now we're safe. Depending on the surface

381
00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:28,240
you want to exercise to run on, it may not

382
00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:28,960
be so safe.

383
00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:31,920
Speaker 3: Why because asphalt, especially black.

384
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,599
Speaker 2: Asphalt, will maintain heat for quite a while. So you

385
00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:37,720
have to either put those little pads, those little booties

386
00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:41,640
on your pets feet something to protect them from that

387
00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,200
hot surface, or don't go on hot surface, running on

388
00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,799
grass or on sand, something that's not quite as hot

389
00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:50,559
in the later of the evening, but you don't want

390
00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:53,079
to exercise during the day. When you do exercise, make

391
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,839
sure you have an ample supply of water, take a

392
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,319
thermis that. What I like to do a couple of

393
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,839
things is I like to take a pandana and I

394
00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:02,079
will wet it, roll it up and put in the

395
00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:04,480
freezer overnight. And in the morning when I take my

396
00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:06,799
dogs out for the walk, I put wrap some bandana

397
00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:10,079
around their neck so they're getting that nice cool ice

398
00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,960
cold when it melts wet bandana, and that just makes

399
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,160
them feel good, especially dogs with shorter hair. When you

400
00:19:16,279 --> 00:19:19,440
leave them outside during the day, it is critical that

401
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,519
they have shade. Sometimes it's not just the heat that's

402
00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:23,319
getting them, it's.

403
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,039
Speaker 3: The direct sunlight.

404
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,960
Speaker 2: So if you don't have a doghouse and there's no

405
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,079
area that's like a covered porch or a covered awning,

406
00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:31,880
or where one of your house or your garage is

407
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,880
creating a shaded area, you must make arrangements to keep

408
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,759
them indoors or build.

409
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,319
Speaker 3: That which you need so they have shade.

410
00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 2: Secondly, water, ample water at all times. And I can't

411
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,240
tell you how many cases I've seen of heat stroke

412
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,880
heat prostration because these dogs were doing too much and

413
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,640
didn't have ample supply of water. During exercise, they weren't

414
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,319
given an opportunity to stop and catch their breath, and

415
00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,359
it's sort of a vicious cycle. Once they get to

416
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,640
the point, especially in the shorter face breathe, where they

417
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,920
start having that respiratory sounds, that strider, you've lost the

418
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,480
battle because now the more they work to breathe, the

419
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,400
more their temp goes up. The more their temp goes up,

420
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,079
the more dangerous it is for them. So remember, dogs

421
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,400
don't sweat except for two places. We've talked about this before.

422
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,039
They sweat on the pads of their feet and the nose.

423
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,960
So if you don't give them an opportunity to cool down,

424
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,039
they can only do so much by panting, and if

425
00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:26,640
panting becomes compromised, then their body temperature is going to

426
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,480
shoot up. So that's very, very dangerous. So I have

427
00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,440
some good suggestions for water. One product I saw it's

428
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,960
a little attachment that goes on to a faucet. You

429
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,480
turn the faucet on, and the water doesn't leak through

430
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,480
because there's a little bar in a center and it

431
00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:42,319
only delivers the water when.

432
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,799
Speaker 3: That bar is moved.

433
00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:46,759
Speaker 2: So the dog's tongue or the nose, they nudge it,

434
00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:48,960
they lick at it, and then when they lick the

435
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,599
water is delivered, and that way you're not wasting water.

436
00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:54,359
Another good suggestion if you have a dog that kind

437
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,599
of likes to play with its water bowl like it's

438
00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:58,640
now a toy, what I recommend is the following. You

439
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,000
got to kind of picture this as I say it,

440
00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,000
but you want to get a bunt cake pan. And

441
00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:04,440
for any of you who have ever made a cake

442
00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:06,039
or no, what a bunt cake pan is. It's got

443
00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:07,599
a hole in the center. So what you do is

444
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,119
you buy about a half inch a wooden dowel, maybe

445
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,440
twelve to sixteen inches long, and you bang it into

446
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,960
the ground. You fill the bunt cake pan with water,

447
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,720
and then you slide the bunk cake pan over the dowel.

448
00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:23,440
So now it's anchored. It cannot be tipped over, so

449
00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:28,160
that rambunctious labrador puppy of yours that looks at everything

450
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,279
as a plate toy, it can't knock over the bowl.

451
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,680
Second thing you can do is take some heavy duty

452
00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:35,519
rocks and put at the bottom. But you gotta get

453
00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:38,200
a pretty big water bowl and then put the water

454
00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:40,400
on top of that. And another thing, but loaded with

455
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,960
ideas here, is to fill up a water bowl about

456
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,759
three quarters full. Stick it in the freezer overnight and

457
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:49,319
by morning you're going to have one huge block of ice,

458
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,440
and that way that can go over to the block

459
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,839
of ice during the day, it will melt. As it melts,

460
00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:55,440
it can get some more water. They're always lapping water

461
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,400
off the top, but it's really an ample supply of

462
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,440
water that they sort of can have to day and

463
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,240
it's nice and cool. And of course, if you don't

464
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,240
have a dog that loves to knock over the water

465
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,079
bowl or you use the dowl track, you can also

466
00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:08,839
fill with water and put ice cubes in the water

467
00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:12,079
bowl so it stays nice and cool. So we're talking

468
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,799
about preparing for exercise early morning or late evening. If

469
00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:17,680
they're going to be outside during the day, they have

470
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,960
to have ample shade and they have to have ample

471
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,920
supply of water and make sure they're healthy. I always

472
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,400
like to I recommend before summertime, before you're going to

473
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,319
start increase that exercise, go see your veterinarian, have a

474
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,720
check up. Make sure everything's okay, make sure everything's working order,

475
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,640
make sure the feed are good, make sure that the

476
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,839
nasal passages everything is clear. Again, they're gonna sweat through

477
00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:38,960
the nose, they're gonna pant, they're gonna breathe. We want

478
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,039
to make sure that everything is fine and that they

479
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,680
are not too overweight. Understand this that on the one hand,

480
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,519
we need the exercise to help shet the pounds, but

481
00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:50,799
on the other hand, their work to do the exercise

482
00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,119
is much more difficult on the body and the metabolism

483
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,200
when they're overweight, when they're carrying on.

484
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: This extra weight.

485
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,759
Speaker 2: So it's something you need to work with a game

486
00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,119
plan with your veterinarian. You want to work into it

487
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,200
nice and slowly, because otherwise you're gonna have a dog

488
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,200
who's going to overheat and that potentially could be life threatening.

489
00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:12,720
I've had dogs in my office one hundred and seven.

490
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,720
It's amazing. They're even alive. They're collapsed. They can't move,

491
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:17,759
and which leads me to another point. If you are

492
00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:19,880
going to exercise them and do anything with your pet,

493
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,680
even in the morning, make sure you know exactly where

494
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:24,359
you need to.

495
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,039
Speaker 3: Take them for the following things. Number one, heat stroke.

496
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,799
Speaker 2: Number two, depending on where you're exercising and where you're hiking, rattlesnakes,

497
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:31,960
poisonous snakes.

498
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: You do not want to stop go.

499
00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: You do don't collec your joint dollars, rush and I

500
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:41,119
mean rush straight to the emergency center nearby for some treatment.

501
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,240
So these are things you just want to do. You

502
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:45,880
need to know for your pets protection. And of course,

503
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,279
think about mixed feeding, think about trying some good canned foods.

504
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,799
I guarantee your pets are going to love you for it,

505
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,480
because I know as much as my dogs love to eat,

506
00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:57,480
and they'll eat you know, two of them are labradors.

507
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,440
One's the labordud To like joke. They'll eat anything that's

508
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,599
not bolted down or doesn't need them first, but they

509
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,039
and they'll chow down their food in two seconds. But

510
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,960
they love canned food. So and one thing you can

511
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,720
entice if you have a dog that's not eating well

512
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,640
by a little trick. Not too much because it's richer,

513
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:12,200
and you have to have a healthy dog to do

514
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,720
this with. But dogs love cat food because cat food

515
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:16,880
is higher in protein, it's a little high in fat,

516
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,480
it's tasty as as can be. And oh my god,

517
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,599
if you have a finicky dog who's not liking his

518
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,720
dry food, feed him some canned food. If he's not

519
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:25,680
loving his canf food, give him some cat can food.

520
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,200
That I think you'll like anyway. Thanks for joining me

521
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,839
here this version, this edition of I Ask the Vest

522
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,519
of Doctor Jeff, and.

523
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: We will be here.

524
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:35,519
Speaker 2: No, I will not be here next week. I'm gonna

525
00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:37,759
be traveling. I'm sure Mark will come up with a

526
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,559
one of my past shows that was fantastic. You'll learn

527
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:44,000
something and we will see here in two weeks, so

528
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,039
make sure to tune in. And I want to see you.

529
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:48,559
I want you to send me emails to Drjeff at

530
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:51,240
Petlife radio dot com so you can tell me what

531
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,000
you would like to discuss. Give me a topic, let's

532
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160
discuss it. Let me help you manage it, educate you.

533
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,160
That's what I love to do. All right, we'll see

534
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,759
in a few weeks here Cutlife Radio

535
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: Let's Talk Pets every week on demand only on petlifradio

536
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:19,039
dot com