1 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:35,359 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:39,679 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:43,479 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,960 But first, I do want to encourage you, if you're 5 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:50,439 enjoying the podcast, to please follow us using your favorite 6 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,119 podcast software. And I want to highlight another one of 7 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:56,600 our podcasts as well. I want to encourage you to 8 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:00,640 check out The Great Adventurers of Old Time Radio, where 9 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,519 we are bringing you Tarzan and Counterspy, two great adventure 10 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:08,680 stories every week. Check that out at Great Adventures dot 11 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:12,680 imfoor wherever you get your podcasts from. But now, from 12 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:19,000 October the eighteenth, nineteen fifty, here is Puritan Morality and 13 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,560 Violent Death. 14 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: A Big Story. 15 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: It wasn't any different from usual. He came home late, 16 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:36,280 your husband, and he knew it was going to be 17 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:36,680 one of. 18 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:41,599 Speaker 4: His insomniac nights. He said, I will sleep. So he 19 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,359 took his handkerchief and he pulled some chloroform. On chloroform, 20 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,879 he called it des Scent of the Gods. He took 21 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,560 a little and put it on his handkerchiefs put the 22 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:55,280 handkerchief over his face and went to sleep. He had 23 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:57,040 done it many times. 24 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,359 Speaker 2: Before, used to take chloroform to go to sleep. 25 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,599 Speaker 4: About five, I thought I heard a noise downstairs. I said, Harold, 26 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:08,280 please see what it is. And I reached over and 27 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:14,039 touched him, and he was cold. Harold was dead. 28 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 5: Hartford, Connecticut. From the pages of the Hartford Times comes 29 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:38,199 the story of Puritan morality and violent death, Hartford, Connecticut. 30 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:42,960 The story as it actually happened, Albert Prince's story as 31 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:56,599 he lived it. 32 00:02:56,599 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: It was a scoop, a clean scoop, and you had 33 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,120 been scooped there. 34 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:06,159 Speaker 6: It was in black and white on the front pages 35 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:07,439 of the opposition paper. 36 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:11,719 Speaker 2: Wife finds husband dead in bed. 37 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:19,879 Speaker 6: Harold Duran, prominent meteorologist and weather expert, dead of chloroform poisoning. 38 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: But the scoop didn't bother you much. 39 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 6: Albert Prince, reporter of the Hertford Times. 40 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: Not really sure. It hurts to be scooped. 41 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 6: But what really bothered you was that you knew Harold 42 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:41,039 durand know him for a quiet, good looking, middle aged scientist, 43 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:42,280 a member of. 44 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: The Hartford Weather Bureau, accurate, conservative, easy with the reporters. 45 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,639 Speaker 6: The man almost everybody turned to first in the paper 46 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,520 to see what today's weather was. 47 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:54,639 Speaker 2: Going to be like? Are the morrows? 48 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 6: What hit you disturbed? You meet you restless? Was that 49 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:04,280 there was something weird about it. That was the only 50 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:12,599 word that accurately described that weird. Harold Durand with chloroform 51 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:16,360 so to clear up the weirdness of it. You sat 52 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,319 now on the porch of a nice house in East Hartford, 53 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,839 where the widow Durant speaks to you in her small, 54 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:25,199 controlled voice. 55 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:28,959 Speaker 4: We had been married twenty five years. We were going 56 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,160 to celebrate our silver anniversary at my folks house in Stoneham, Massachusetts. 57 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: She stops musing on what that twenty fifth celebration might 58 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,439 have been like. 59 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 6: And you look at the face. Not an attractive woman, 60 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:47,519 a woman who never learned a dress, A woman who 61 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,720 was not allowed by our upbringing to give in the vanity. 62 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,759 A woman with thin, pale lips and thin long fingers, 63 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:02,720 A frail woman weighing no more than a hundred pounds, 64 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,439 pure Puritan stock. 65 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 4: We were childhood friends in Stoneham, We played together as children. 66 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,959 We married there in my father's big house. 67 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,879 Speaker 2: Missus Durand, I knew your husband pretty well. I heard 68 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:18,439 him lecture at the university. I even read some of 69 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,879 his scientific articles. Such a clear, clean mind. 70 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 4: He was like that in everything. Harold was the kind 71 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,439 of man you dream about and meet once in a lifetime. 72 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:36,000 How does a man like that wind up with well drugs, 73 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:40,959 the chlorophor. I don't know what to say, only that 74 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,120 he worked so hard, he was too tired to sleep 75 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:44,800 so often. 76 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,639 Speaker 2: Where do you get it? A man doesn't just buy 77 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:49,199 chloroform in a drug store. 78 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 4: I never thought of that, But if you knew how 79 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,839 seriously he took his work. Ships at sea depended on 80 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,360 his accuracy, and airplanes and farmers, even banks used to 81 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,639 call it. Oh, I'm terribly sorry. 82 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: I beg your pardon. 83 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 4: I've kept you out on the porch. I've offered you nothing. 84 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. 85 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,639 Speaker 4: I didn't even ask you inside. 86 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 7: Surely a cup of tea. 87 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 4: I know I'd lack a cup for a moment. 88 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 6: She was out of herself, just a brief moment. But 89 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:25,000 now the puritan morality, the politeness, the kindness to other 90 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:30,639 people asserts itself. The tight, pinched face has the smile 91 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,879 hostesses used, and you walk into a restaurant. 92 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:34,879 Speaker 7: You have a cup of tea. 93 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: Thank you. I don't want to trouble you, but I 94 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:39,920 would appreciate it, and it almost. 95 00:06:39,639 --> 00:06:44,319 Speaker 6: Seemed normal, the bereaved woman talking, offering tea on the 96 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,079 porch of a house like any other house on the 97 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:58,920 clean street. Then you find yourself in the living room. 98 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,360 The altar hit you first, a red lacquered vase, bright 99 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:08,319 as a fire action, rising three feet above the oriental 100 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:14,240 rock in the center of the large wall. Candles in profusion, 101 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,920 burning a half some hounders at the foot of the altar, 102 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:20,560 and at the apex. 103 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: And an idol, a fantastic idol. 104 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 6: Three hideous monkeys, half life size, grin a smirky clearing 105 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,040 their eyes, fantastically real, as if there were life inside 106 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:49,959 these grotesque nonstates. A sweet, almost sickeningly sweet aroma, and 107 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:55,920 an its sauce. Two blue incense burners, the odor of 108 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,800 must and sandal. 109 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,199 Speaker 2: Wood, a fantastic color in this ordinary house. 110 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: Most people didn't know about that about Harold. But Harold 111 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,639 was a cultist, you see. Harold was a disciple student 112 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,040 of metaphysics, a believer in the inner life, the pure light, 113 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:18,079 the sanctified light. 114 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:25,279 Speaker 2: I see something in the bedroom. I didn't mean to 115 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:25,720 look in. 116 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,759 Speaker 4: Another altar, the main one, this one here was for 117 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:34,240 the ordinary days, the one in the bedroom for cult days. 118 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Here's your tea, cream lemon sugar. 119 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:49,519 Speaker 6: You never tasted the tea, never saw it, never smelled it. 120 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,960 You could never take your eyes from those two fantastic altars. 121 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,159 Your nose was filled with a burning incense. And even 122 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,919 now from the house, the same. 123 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: Word weird, weird again, weird. 124 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:10,919 Speaker 6: Had been planted almost physically in your mind. For a conservative, 125 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,120 scientific meteorologist with a Puritan wife. 126 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,919 Speaker 2: This comes to your mind. Lizzie Borden took an X 127 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,039 gave her father forty wax. 128 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 6: The famous poem forms in your mind the story of 129 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,919 the New England woman years ago named Lizzie Borden killed 130 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:37,080 her father with an ax. And you find yourself sitting 131 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,960 talking to a very flat, very smart, very skeptical detective 132 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,000 name of Sergeant McGovern. 133 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: Whatever it did, you're after, l Elia eight to one. 134 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,960 You got nothing. Why are you so sure? Why? 135 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,639 Speaker 8: Because I too am about to celebrate my silver anniversary 136 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,480 twenty five years at this desk. 137 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,039 Speaker 2: Look, Mac, you never gave me a bum steer. Now 138 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,440 just answer me this question. Yeh, where the duran ever? 139 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,320 At any time in the last ten years in any trouble, difficulties, 140 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,159 maybe even a fight. 141 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,399 Speaker 8: Look, just because you went to somebody's house and they 142 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,080 haven't got it furnished the way you think they. 143 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: Ought to have it. 144 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,879 Speaker 8: Fernie, have you've seen that altar the monkeys? It never 145 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,679 was in the house, but I get the general idea. 146 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,559 Even so, Okay, it's crazy incense, sandalwood candles, monkeys. So 147 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:22,440 I got a collection of fearless fustic am I suspect 148 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:23,399 number two in your book? 149 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: Please don't get wise with me, Mink. Were they ever 150 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:30,879 in there? Ever? Anytime? 151 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 9: Durant? 152 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 8: Durand wait a minute, Catherine Durant, Harold Durant. Yeah, it 153 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,159 was two years ago in the fall. I think I 154 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,320 was on the desk the two of them came in, 155 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,639 mister and missus Durant. What a scene too, You know 156 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,320 how that kind of person whispers, Well that's what they 157 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:49,799 were doing. 158 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: Why did you have to come here? We can say, 159 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,960 I don't have to, Sachin. It's all a misunderstanding. I'm 160 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,000 going to take my wife home now now just a second, 161 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,240 if you please, What is this all about? It's absolutely nothing. 162 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,600 You just upset and you think. 163 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,519 Speaker 3: That I could hear it from the lady, the things 164 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:07,600 he says, the things he does, the kind of things 165 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,399 he brings home, the kind of things I have to 166 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,039 put up with Etherine, for heaven's. 167 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 8: Sake, Like, like, what, lady, what kind of things? 168 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: Since wind catching? Do we have to make a private 169 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:16,759 affairs public? 170 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,519 Speaker 4: It's nothing, Sergeant. I think I did something very foolish 171 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:23,759 coming here in Vala. 172 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 8: No, No, just a moment, please, you started to say 173 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,519 something and then all of a sudden, sorry. 174 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,519 Speaker 3: There's nothing to talk about. And I think I would 175 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,600 really like to go home with my husband. A family affair, Sergeant, 176 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:37,639 that just let get a little away from me. 177 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's all it was to it. 178 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:40,039 Speaker 7: El. 179 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:41,879 Speaker 8: So they had a tiff that came in. They decided 180 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:43,600 not to have the tiff in front of me. 181 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: Anyhow. That doesn't gibe twenty five years of blissful harmony, 182 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,600 childhood sweethearts. I don't believe it. 183 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 7: You don't believe what. 184 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: I don't believe things are the way they seem. And look, 185 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 I'm not kidding, Mac, I'm asking you a straight question. 186 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:02,399 Could this be murder? 187 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 8: The Medical Examiner's report says accidental death by asphyxia chloroform poisoning. 188 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:10,159 Speaker 2: The guy thought he. 189 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 8: Knew how much he was taking. 190 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,919 Speaker 2: He took a little more than he thought. And why 191 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,080 couldn't it be that someone gave him a little more 192 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:15,559 than he took? 193 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:18,399 Speaker 8: On account of the medical examiner looked into that aspect, 194 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,000 on account of two of my best men, interviewed Missus Durant, 195 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,120 on account of pigs don't whistle? You seriously think that 196 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,279 frightened little lady who think she killed the husband? She'd 197 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,639 been married you for twenty five years? 198 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:31,159 Speaker 2: Remember the poem Lizzie Borden took an axe, gave her 199 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,919 father forty one. Yeah, I know, and when the job 200 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:37,080 was nicely done, she gave her mother forty one. Or 201 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:40,480 You're run of your head. Okay, man, I've been wrong before, 202 00:12:41,440 --> 00:13:00,559 but then again, once in a while I've also been right. 203 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,399 Speaker 9: This is Sy Harris returning it to your narrator and 204 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:21,320 the big story of Albert I Prince as he lived 205 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:22,360 it and wrote it. 206 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 2: There's got to. 207 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 6: Be more of this dead man, this meteorologist, scientist, Harold Duran, 208 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,879 this bizarre cultist with the incense and the candles, and 209 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:36,519 the monkeys in his living room and bedroom. They must 210 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:41,960 be other bizarre things, other weird aspects. An ordinary man 211 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,559 doesn't take chloroform he goes before he goes to sleep 212 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,120 at night, and a conservative scientist even less other what 213 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:54,639 other women are the practices and his cult? You want 214 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,120 to know more? And so you say all this, you, 215 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,000 Albert Prince, reporter, just say all this to Ernie McGovern, 216 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,480 Sergeant Mac to you, and he says, now. 217 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,159 Speaker 8: Look, I'm just not interested in this case anymore. The 218 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,240 fellow died of accidental less fix you? All right, all right, 219 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,559 accidentals fix you? 220 00:14:14,879 --> 00:14:16,919 Speaker 2: Will you give me permission to go into his office 221 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:18,879 down at the Weather Bureau, maybe his house. I got 222 00:14:18,879 --> 00:14:21,080 no right to get information like that, all right, at 223 00:14:21,159 --> 00:14:22,879 least you know about it. If I get picked up 224 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,080 for oh, I don't know, snooping, I guess, or breaking 225 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:26,919 or entering or something. 226 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 8: Well, my advice is to you, don't snoop, don't break, 227 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,399 and don't enter. Oh, go on, go take a trip 228 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:32,799 down to the Ale. The boys are having a good 229 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:34,360 football game there tomorrow afternoon. 230 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,799 Speaker 2: Look, I still like the Lizzie Borden theory. Boy are 231 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,120 we stubboring this morning? Well? Anyhow, you know what I'm doing? 232 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:53,159 Speaker 6: The Weather Bureau is neat precise, quiet with the big 233 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,519 maps on the wall, all kinds of gadgets, meters, barometers, anemometers, 234 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,720 thanks you've vaguely heard about but never looked at before. 235 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,600 And the quiet, distinguished looking cobby hole the closed door 236 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,480 with a name neatly lettered Harold Durand. 237 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:15,759 Speaker 7: I'm terribly sorry you can't go in there. 238 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:18,679 Speaker 2: I'm from the Times and we want to do a 239 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:21,840 story on mister Durand did you know him? Well? 240 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:23,919 Speaker 7: I was his secretary. 241 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: Well, miss, you can help me if you'd like to, 242 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,879 And I think help him too, if you wanted. 243 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 7: He was the nicest boss a girl ever had, sweet. 244 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,639 Speaker 2: Thoughtful How could I ask your name? 245 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:36,679 Speaker 7: Susan Reiner? 246 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,919 Speaker 2: Miss Reiner? I know he was working on an annual report, 247 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,279 a summary of some kind, and I thought it'd be 248 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,279 a tribute if we, the paper that is, brought it out, 249 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,519 or maybe he said something about it. He'd like that, 250 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,039 So won't you help me? 251 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,519 Speaker 7: I'm sorry you want to go in, go ahead, but 252 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,639 his things. 253 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,399 Speaker 10: Were all in there and I. 254 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 7: Just couldn't bring myself to do it. 255 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,639 Speaker 2: That's okay, miss Renner, I'll get the story myself. 256 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 6: A devoted secretary up set as everybody you know him, 257 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:13,399 apparently is so you don't like yourself exactly for what 258 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,159 you are doing. 259 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,519 Speaker 2: There's papers are just papers, comparative high lows. 260 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 6: Here's nineteen forty six, twenty seven, forty eight, New England 261 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,399 precipitation nineteen forty eight, forty nine, weather prediction accuracy ratios 262 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,799 nineteen forty one from nineteen forty nine. Nothing here. And 263 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:44,399 then in a small Mahogany humidor he didn't smoke, a 264 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:49,120 packet of letters and a diary. And when you've glimpsed 265 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:53,720 the first few words, you can't wait to get out 266 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:55,840 of the office and into a place where you can 267 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:59,360 read what you've gotten. You find a bar and you 268 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:01,919 get a beer, a quiet corner with a small life, 269 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:08,039 and you start first the diary reading Property of Catherine Duran, 270 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,720 her book Entry. 271 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 3: I don't think I can take it anymore. It's got 272 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,880 to stop. It's got to stop. 273 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,519 Speaker 2: Entry. Ten days later, I. 274 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 4: Know what's been going on. It's him and that girl. 275 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 7: I know it. 276 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 4: I thought I could deceive myself, but I can't anymore. 277 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 9: Entry. 278 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,039 Speaker 2: Three days later, one week before the death of Harold Duran. 279 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: Now I know finally exactly what it is I have 280 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:49,440 to do about them, but especially about him. 281 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 6: You almost stop there, almost get up, almost run the 282 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,240 Sergeant Mac. There are those letters, letters dated from a 283 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,680 year ago, My darling. 284 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,079 Speaker 10: When you're away from me, all I can think of 285 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,480 those kids, kiss that just you and I have. 286 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 7: Alone in the world. 287 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: Letter dated three months later. 288 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 10: When are you coming back from Boston? When can I 289 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,119 see the people I meet? This is my husband, Harold 290 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:23,720 Whens Letter dated one month before the deaths of Harold Duran. Harold, 291 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:27,480 I don't know what you're doing. Why are you lecturing 292 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:30,440 so much away from home and away from me? You 293 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,279 said we were going to be married. If you've been 294 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,000 lying to me, I don't know what I'll do, but 295 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:37,400 I'll do something. 296 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,559 Speaker 2: And the name, the name and all the letters. 297 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:52,039 Speaker 6: Susan Susan Rhyner a devoted secretary, or couldn't go in 298 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,400 the room because she couldn't bring herself to touch his 299 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,440 things at headquarters. Sogeant maclesson, as you tell him, you're 300 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,599 more convinced than ever that doctor Jekyl scientist Harold Duran 301 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:09,119 was mister Hyde as far as Susan Ryiner was concerned. 302 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: When you both confront her, she says. 303 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:16,079 Speaker 7: You must be out of your mind. Suggesting a thing 304 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,720 like that I loved him, I always loved him. 305 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 8: Okay, you loved him, only it says here and you're 306 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,799 writing if you are lying to me, Harold, I don't 307 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:26,640 know what I'll do. 308 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 7: But you know what I mean, charging for Heaven's sake? 309 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:32,119 Well I meant was I would go out of my mind. 310 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:33,839 Harold and I were. 311 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 8: Yeah, you were special, the first two people on earth 312 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,400 that really loved each other. 313 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: Just one little question, where were you on the night 314 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,480 that he was killed? 315 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:44,599 Speaker 7: Killed? 316 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:45,559 Speaker 2: Killed? 317 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 7: I was home with my father, my mother, my sister, 318 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,240 and my older brother. 319 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: Can they verify that? 320 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,799 Speaker 7: Do they have to? I mean, do you really think I? 321 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: And Mac is quietly shaking his head, and so are you. 322 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 6: Albert Prince, because it's obvious, very obvious. She didn't do it. 323 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,920 She's confused, she's disturbed. She was in love and he 324 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,680 wasn't coming through on his promises. 325 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: But she didn't do it. If somebody did, Lizzie Borton 326 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,880 gave her father for he wax. Yeah, that's my sentiments too. 327 00:20:31,079 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 6: But if things are as in this case, they are 328 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,880 hardly what they seem, and it is a Lizzie Bowden, 329 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:43,200 a violent, passionate woman, inside a calm, purit nexteria. Then 330 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,359 it's a delicate instrument that has to be played carefully. 331 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,759 No slugging, no rapid fire. Cross examination is going to 332 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:54,319 bring this out. And Mac agrees, and. 333 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:57,759 Speaker 2: So you and Sergeant Mac go and sit on the 334 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:03,240 porch with her. There are was never anything wrong was 335 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:04,319 there between you? 336 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,319 Speaker 4: I thought I told you everything you wanted to know. 337 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,279 Mister Prince. 338 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,759 Speaker 2: It was one of those marriages made in heaven. 339 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,039 Speaker 4: Why do you touching me like this? What do you want? 340 00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: A childhood romance and a marriage that sweetened and ripened 341 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,319 every year it lasted. Please there were no complaints by 342 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,279 you against him, were there ever? 343 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 4: Please? Go? 344 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:32,519 Speaker 2: You never went to the police and said he beat you, 345 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:34,279 said he treated you badly? 346 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:35,319 Speaker 7: Oh go go go. 347 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: You you remember me, Missus Durant, No, I think you do. 348 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,039 I think you remember coming into the police station about two. 349 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 11: Years ago with your don't break with that woman. I 350 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:50,480 know now what I've got to do. No, no, no no, 351 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,400 Susan Ryer, Susan and Harold Susan. 352 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: I did it? 353 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: Why? Why, Missus Durant? 354 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:08,039 Speaker 4: Why first he used to ask me to make lunch. 355 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:11,920 He used to eat his lunch in the office. It 356 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:17,400 was always two sandwiches, two apples, two pieces of cake. 357 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,680 I used to think, what an appetite he had. Then 358 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,920 I realized how foolish I had been. For over two years. 359 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,039 I used to make lunch for her every day, Susan, 360 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,759 and then he used to bring her to the house 361 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:39,000 for dinner, and I would cook for him and her, 362 00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:43,799 and they would eat dinner and talk meteorology, talk weather. 363 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,240 And after dinner, I would do the dishes, and they 364 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,480 would go upstairs to his room to work, he and Sis. 365 00:22:53,039 --> 00:23:01,039 The cruelty was always polite, the humiliation always done with gentility. Oh, 366 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,799 dear Lord, how I hated the cultian sense, the older, 367 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:10,839 the hideous statues of vulgar burning lights. And one night 368 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,279 he came home and he fell down on. 369 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: The bed and said to me, get me the bottle. 370 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 4: You're not going to take that again. 371 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,079 Speaker 2: Give me the nectar of the gods, the scent of 372 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,039 the angels. Give it to me. Don't stay me looking 373 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:28,240 like a jackass. 374 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 4: All right, Haron, here you are. 375 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: In traps on a handkerchief. I shall taste the beauties 376 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:38,759 of all. You can sleep. 377 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 12: The sleep of forgetfulness. It would be the greatest joy 378 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,319 in the world some night to go out, to go 379 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,160 on and on until you go out on an everlasting 380 00:23:53,359 --> 00:24:01,759 diet of sleep. Get out of the room. You sicken me. 381 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: And so I waited until he'd fallen asleep, and then I. 382 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: Walked back in. 383 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: The battle was beside the bed on a table the chloroform, 384 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,079 and as I poured it, I said to him, you 385 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:21,759 want to go out on an. 386 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: Everlasting diet of sleep, Harold, you will, Harold, on a 387 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:38,720 diet of everlasting sleep. I did it, and may the 388 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,240 Lord have mercy on my soul. 389 00:24:42,480 --> 00:25:00,799 Speaker 5: WHOA how we read you that telegraph? Albert Prince of 390 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:02,160 the Hartford Times. 391 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: When questioned in her cell Murderous and Tonight's Big Story, 392 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,039 calmly repeated all the gruesome details which led to the 393 00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:13,279 killing of her husband. In court, although nervous, she pleaded 394 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,519 guilty to a charge of manslaughter. She was sentenced to 395 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:28,519 the state prison at Wethersfield. And so ends another Big Story. 396 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,519 Speaker 13: In order to protect the names of people actually involved 397 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:36,200 into Night's authentic Big Story, the names of all characters 398 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,720 and the dramatization were changed. With the exception of the 399 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:42,160 newspaper reporter, The Big Story has been a presentation of 400 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,559 the United States Armed Forces Radio Service, the Voice of 401 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Information and Education. 402 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,559 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Well, first of all, let's go ahead and 403 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,720 go through our cast, which is a bit smaller. This week. 404 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,119 We had Bob Dryden as our reporter and along with 405 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:16,640 him Agnes Young, mz Strickland, Walter Griza, and Louis van Ruten, 406 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:21,039 with Louis van Ruten being the only actor to double 407 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,279 and he played Harold. Now, one thing that not seem 408 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:31,359 like a plot hole is that Harold having Katherine's journal 409 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,200 was kind of weird and not fully explained. But I 410 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,720 think when you look at the type of man he was, 411 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,559 he was a very twisted person and also a very 412 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:50,519 cruel one who played with the emotions both Susan and Catherine. 413 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,599 And with Katherine, I think the way she described it 414 00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:00,000 is a kind of delight at her humiliation. So very 415 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:06,640 person and this actually aligns very well with the real 416 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:14,240 life story stories behind the Big Story notes that this 417 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:19,319 actually happened in the late twenties and story stretched into 418 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:24,400 the early nineteen thirties, and the man murdered was Harry Adams, 419 00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:31,079 who was a very respected meteorologist. He actually had multiple 420 00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:35,119 affairs going and he didn't store the letters in the office, 421 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,519 He stored them in the buddhistron he kept in his house. Now, 422 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,960 according to doctor Joe Webbitt Stories Behind the Big Story, 423 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:50,319 his cultic religion was kind of his own invented version 424 00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:55,160 of Buddhism. While his wife did confess to murder, but 425 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,920 she was convicted of manslaughter and was let out after 426 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,319 two years. Great public sympathy for her in this whole situation. Now, 427 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:10,400 another thing about the episode is the continual use of 428 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:15,960 Lizzie Borden references. And on the surface, this crime has 429 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:20,440 very little similarity to the Borden case. The murder message 430 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,880 radically different. And in addition to that, as listeners the 431 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,079 old time radio snack Wagon might know, as we played 432 00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:32,440 an episode about this case in our first season of 433 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,839 Unsolved Mysteries, Miss Borden was actually acquitted by the jury 434 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,440 of the crime. However, generations of Americans decided not to 435 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,839 let the verdict of a jury stand in the way 436 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,839 of a good rhyme. Of course, where it's applicable is 437 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,400 the idea that this meek New England woman was capable 438 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440 of a homicide. It's one of those things that it's 439 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,440 kind of interesting and kind of weird about the way 440 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:08,240 The Big Story approaches its broadcast because there is a 441 00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:12,200 sense where they are trying to tell you true life 442 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:18,480 stories investigated by reporters, but there's also this sense where 443 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:23,920 they really like to get fanciful and theatrical in ways 444 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,720 that kind of undermine you feeling like this is a 445 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,599 real story that happened. I mean, could you imagine a 446 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:38,279 reporter going around signing a cultural story as a reason 447 00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:43,319 to investigate and reopen a crime, like, you know, I know, 448 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,039 the evidence shows there's nothing there, but George Washington cut 449 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,400 down a cherry tree. Okay, but there's no evident and 450 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,160 now listen to me. Though George Washington cut down a 451 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:58,039 cherry tree, it does give it this sort of odd, 452 00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:03,200 melodramatic feel also trying to lend in true facts. So 453 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,599 I hope folks are enjoying that. Well, listener comments and feedback, 454 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,640 and we go to Patreon and Jeff comments five hundred 455 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,519 dollars prize apparently is no longer awarded due to the 456 00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:21,799 pau male sponsorship loss. Well, thanks for the question, Jeff, 457 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,480 And it seems like a bit of a misunderstanding because 458 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:33,039 the uh Paull male sponsorship is actually continued throughout the 459 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:37,240 run of the series, and the five hundred dollars award 460 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:40,720 is still in effect. But I think it's an understandable 461 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,359 misunderstanding because we have been on a steady diet of 462 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:52,799 Armed Forces Radio Service transcriptions of The Big Story, and 463 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:59,680 the AFRs required all commercials be removed from the episodes 464 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:03,160 before or they were transmitted overseas. They did not want 465 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,640 to use the US government military radio station to sell 466 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:16,160 products to servicemen. Now we do have the original scripts 467 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:23,079 for these episodes because of Powmoule's continued sponsorship, because they 468 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:28,480 were among the papers that were disclosed as required by 469 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:32,640 the tobacco Settlement back in the late nineties, and that's 470 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,359 where I get the cast list from. And also in 471 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,720 that script, Ernest Chappel says, thank you, mister Prince. The 472 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,839 makers of Palmouth's famous cigarettes are proud to present you 473 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960 the paw Mau five hundred dollars Award for notable service 474 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,680 in the field of journalism. However, that wasn't included in 475 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,240 the broadcast because it was part of the commercial content 476 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,400 of the But thanks so much, appreciate the question, Jeff. 477 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,240 Now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day. 478 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,799 Thank you to Ian, Patreon supporter since August twenty sixteen, 479 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:17,119 currently supporting the podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of 480 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:19,839 seven dollars and fourteen cents or more per month. 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But join us back here tomorrow for 489 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,400 broadways my beatware. 490 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:50,559 Speaker 9: It's tried. 491 00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 14: Then you did make report found doing us, mister Welch, Yeah, 492 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,599 didn't make. 493 00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 9: You know something? Then what they say, I'm innocent? You 494 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:03,839 say it me. 495 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 14: I still don't know. I was out of the world 496 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,880 at the time. I was drunk that girl either Gray, Yeah, 497 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,159 spunky kid to sit up there and tell it into 498 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,639 the teeth of the world that I was with her 499 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,280 at the time Fay was my wife was being killed. 500 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,840 I wonder if I had fun. I wonder if I 501 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,280 hadn't had fun while Fay was dying. She broke our case, 502 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,599 saved your life. You want it, I give it to you. 503 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,840 But whatever my life's worth, now take it, deal it 504 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,320 out among your friends. Look, mister Welsh, a free man, 505 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:38,119 what's with this? 506 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 9: Free? A man pronounces a word and that makes me free? 507 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,440 You love? Fay's dead. The girl I loved is dead. 508 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,760 A girl you know something then, but it's now the 509 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,760 law of the land. And I didn't kill my wife. 510 00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,360 That means someone else did. I'll try it. I'll make 511 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,840 your promise out of the goodness in my heart. I'll 512 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,159 get to the killer before you do. 513 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime. 514 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:14,320 Send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 515 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,880 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 516 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:24,239 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 517 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:28,039 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.