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you know here. As I was getting ready for the show,
I was just listening to deb Wolf and some really
great information about, you know, how to approach strange dogs.
You know, I often have the moniker. They call me
the I heard your expert in aggressive dogs, as if
to say I did a residency in aggressive dogs after
Veterini School, And the truth matter is no, I didn't,
but if we can understand where they're coming from. I'm
known as the Kissy Doctor because I get more tongue
than anybody I know, and I'm licked in the face
all the time, and in my thirty years, thirty years,
I was literally bitten once, well twice, in the face.
Once when I was a little kid. I was five,
and I stepped on my sleeping Doberman. He didn't think
that was a very cool idea, and he kind of
awakened from his sleep with his mouth around my face.
But short of that, in all my years, I've only
been bitten once in the face. And I wasn't even
sticking my face into this dog's face. I was actually
talking to the owner and the dog was in the car.
I had walked out to talk to the owner. She
was in the car with her pitbull cross, obviously known
to be a little bit aggressive, and I didn't want
to talk to them in a noisy, crazy waiting room,
so I told me, got to the car, I'll come
out in a minute.
Speaker 3: So I walked outside and.
Speaker 2: The dog comes and greets me, sticks his head out
the window, gives me a lick like it always did,
and all of a.
Speaker 3: Sudden, I'm talking to the owner and he just jumped.
Speaker 2: And grabbed me right on the lower lip. So called
my good friend, the plastic surgeon. You'd never know to
look at me now, but you know, typically you just
got to read dogs. There was I'm sure many of
you have seen this video, the tape that was all
over the internet from this newscaster and they were doing
some pet adoption piece or something. In this they brought
not a pit bull. Now understand, this is a pit
bull that's up for adoption. How much do we know
about the history of this dog? And the answer is zero.
And you are a newsperson, you are not an animal person.
Speaker 3: So how much do you.
Speaker 2: Know about the art of truly reading a dog's body
posturing things like that? Well, anyway, she gets on and
she sticks her face, grabs me by the head, sticks
her face right in his dog's face, and he did
what many dogs in that position might do, and that
environment with lights and cameras and lots of people and
strange people, and just literally bit right into our face.
It was caught live on TV, and as they said,
it was all over the internet for long. You can still,
you know, easily google it. But that was really not
the smart thing to do. And you have to realize
that if you are going to work with dogs, you
need to learn to how to approach them. Read their
position of their ears, read their tail, read the hackles
on their back. They start getting stiff as you're approaching them.
That is not a good sign. So you know, just
knowing this, it would just alleviate a lot of issues
if you're going up there. You know, Deb gave us
great advice. You don't want to go up to a
dog that you don't know and start whacking them on,
you know, let them sense you get low, you know,
don't be a threat to them. Just you know, it's
amazing how well these dogs can do, and you need
to be in control. I had this dog come in
actually just last week, and the reason it came to
me is because the last two veterinarians wouldn't the dog
in their office anymore. And I told the owner, I'm
not worried. Just bring the dog in and we're gonna
meet outside, not in the office. Eliminate some of the
smells and some of the sounds. And as I walked
up and I approached her, the dog, of course took
the posturing and I told her in advance that I'm
gonna come up to her and she's going to I'm
just like passing the baton and to hand me the leash,
so this dog doesn't realize that this pass had taken place.
And I start walking away from her, and now I
have the leash, and I called the dog by name,
and I do a little heel.
Speaker 3: And as I'm.
Speaker 2: Walking with this dog and he's really doing pretty well,
I'm sort of inching my hand down the leash to
where the leash attaches to the collar and ultimately is
on a sit. I'm starting to pet him just gently
behind the ears, on top of the head, you know,
a little rubbed neck rub. Literally within not even ten minutes,
I'm kneeling down. I examined this dog, including the mouth,
gave him medication, gave him a shots, and not even
one attempt. I must obviously the dog knows that I'm
no longer a threat. And the dog obviously was afraid
at elsewhere animal hospital and wasn't afraid with us because
of the way I sort of set the tone from
the beginning. And if you do it, it's really most
dogs out there are not really aggressive. I mean, there
are some dogs that you can tell. You can tell
the difference between invading a dog's space and having them
become somewhat of a fear bier all right, or even
an aggressive bier, but only when you invade their space.
Versus a dog that you walk into room and they
are going to run across the room.
Speaker 3: And lunge at you. That is a problem dog.
Speaker 2: But most of them, the vast majority, ninety five ninety
eight percent, are not like that. And also, by the way,
what's also amazing about dogs is they read us way
better than we read them, and they can read our fear,
they can read our anxiety, and if you are timid
around an aggressive dog, oh my gosh, this dog is
definitely going to take advantage. So again you have to
kind of know how to read them and how to
work around them. And if you do, that relationship is
just going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal relationship. Anyways, if
you're out there and if I would like to hear
from you, you can send me an email call us.
I want to know if any of you eight seven
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of experience any of you have had. I'm sure there
are very few dog lovers, very few dog trainers, and
very few veterinarians out there that have never been bitten
by a dog or a cat, I know you have,
so don't lie. I want to hear the story. I
want to hear what happened and when this happened. Have
you sort of thought about the circumstance and said, oh,
I know what I did. I mean, I had one
classic one, and you know, deav mentioned something about a Rottweiler,
and again I see a lot of Now I don't
see that anymore because they aren't that popular anymore. But
ten fifteen years ago, you know, sort of back in
the eighties for sure, and the early nineties, Rottweilers they
were at one point sort of like the fortieth most
popular dog on a case's top fifty, and then they
worked their way down to eleven, number eleven most popular
dog in the US the AKC. So, I mean, every
other dog that would come into my office was a
ROADI and I remember a very very aggressive Rottwiler and.
Speaker 3: Many of them are and were.
Speaker 2: And I'm doing my magic, working my magic on this dog,
and he was actually really good. And one trick is
never take your eyes off of the dog's face behavior body.
And I'm sitting and talking with the owner at this point,
I'm sort of kneeling down. I got him under the chin,
he softened, Everything was good, and I made the cardinal
mistake and I took my eyes off of him. And
sure enough, as I'm petting him and talking to the owner,
my attention is that the owner. Now, he just turns
around and gives me just a little nipple on the hand.
Fortunately it wasn't that bad. But he got me pretty good,
didn't need stitches or anything. And I felt like such
an idiot. I broke my own rule. I broke my
own rule, which was, don't ever ever take your eyes
off this dog.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 2: We have a caller coming in at the eight seven seven, three,
eight five eighty eight two.
Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, Hi, Hello, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 4: Oh good?
Speaker 3: And you have a question for me a comment.
Speaker 5: So I was just going to ask you. My cat,
who's a fairly large cat, has been on the light
style food, you know, for the last oh probably eight years,
and he's about eleven years old now.
Speaker 2: And when you say a fairly large cat, what is
so we have an eleven year old male, I assume
male neutered, male neutered. And when you say a fairly
large let's put into perspective for our audience. Are we
talking fifteen pounds or twenty.
Speaker 5: Five pounds, no more like sixteen pounds.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, see for two of my cats that's
actually small. But ye, our house cat here at the
hospital is twenty four pounds, and one of my cats
at home is twenty two pounds, and another one is
twenty pounds.
Speaker 3: So I'm used to big relatives. It is all relative.
Speaker 2: Hey, so you have a big eleven year old cat.
He's eating light food, and so.
Speaker 5: He's now from last year to this year, and he's
been eating light food for many years, and he's probably
lost about a pounds, okay, fifteen pounds now, right, sixteen pounds.
So I was just was just at some point, you know,
his whole life, or his most of his adult life,
he's been on the light food because the vet was
worried that, you know, he was just going to keep
getting bigger and bigger and bigger and be too fat.
But at about fifteen pounds or so, he seemed okay
for the size of cat. He was right, And he's
been stable at that weight for a long time. But
as he's getting a little older, I was wondering, at
some point, how would you decide that he should not
be on the light food anymore or not.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: First of all, at eleven years of age, you probably,
if you haven't already, you should be having a really
a full physical sooner than later. And that's where they
take the blood in urine. Obviously, we're always worried about
kidneys with these older cats, always worried about diabetes, especially
larger cats. Cats are known to have what's called type
two diabetes, which is the kind of diabetes that people
get so oh, you know, overweight people, So that's always
a concern. Of course, heart disease, cardamiopathy. Some of these
big cats might have some main coon in them, some
of the Persians, and they might be prone to certain
things like that. So I think a good physical would
be in order. The only thing I mean at this age,
I would like to see sort of the slow transition,
maybe even by settling with fifty to fifty by the way,
to a senior diet, because only we do want to
cut down the protein in the diet. It makes it
easier on the aging kidneys. By the way, one of
the number one diseases afflicting our older cats is going
to be kidney failure. Another thing we see often an
older cats, but it doesn't seem to be the case
in a big cat like yours. Is hyperthyroidism, But then again,
if we had that, we probably would have a cat
that's losing weight much faster than you want based on
the hyperthyroid status. So I think that's probably a safe
bet that we don't have that issue to deal with now.
So I would start with the good physical If everything
is really just perfect and he's eleven but he tests
like six, then stay where you're at. If you wanted
to put him on a little senior diet, I would
slowly increase or gradually add in a good senior food.
Talk to your veterinarian about it, and they said, at
this age he's you know, eleven for a cat is
not super super old. We're not really geriatric yet. We're
moving into the adult senior adult status. So I wouldn't
be a bad idea to start on a food that's
a little better, easier for them to digest, easier on
their kidneys, but still having a lower fat. And interestingly,
because of the fact that most senior pets are slowing down,
they're not exercising as much, most of those foods are
lower calories already, so I think that would be a
wise thing.
Speaker 3: Do you get a chance? Is he intoor outdoor? Just indoor?
Speaker 5: He does both?
Speaker 3: He does both?
Speaker 2: All right, Look, you're probably as an indoor outdoor cat,
you're probably going to get as much exercises as you
probably can out of him already. I mean, the problem
is with many of us a pilose with live in
big cities. I have six cats, they're all indoors, and
you know, obviously the biggest challenge is getting them to
exercise because you know, they want to graze, they want
to eat. Most of us, do you free feed or
do you have a meal time?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: He has dry food available all the time, right right.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what we do.
Speaker 2: We do a meal in the morning and a meal
in the evening, and then they have the dry food
to nibble on all day. And I think that's pretty standard.
So if you've gotten down to sixteen and now fifteen
and the veterinarian says that you know that's a good
weight for your cat, obviously a fairly good sized framed cat,
then yeah, I would just the only reason I would
switch is not necessarily for the weight issue, but because
at eleven, we're starting to get into those early senior years,
and it might be just good to add in not
necessarily switch completely. And I think down the road, four
or five years down the road, it'll be easier to
continue that transition to the all senior food if he's
already kind of used to it.
Speaker 3: So that would be a bad idea. Okay, all right, and.
Speaker 2: I know you have to absolutely. Then they ask you
a question. I don't know if you've been listening in
have you ever had dogs or just cats?
Speaker 5: I haven't had dogs for many years now.
Speaker 2: Okay, So as a cat owner, cat lover, how many
cats do you have?
Speaker 3: Just the one? Just one, just one? Ever been bitten
by a cat?
Speaker 5: No? Not really? I mean, oh good baby, you know
kitten that was sill?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit, but not right.
Speaker 2: And just you know, while we're on the subject, but
we were talking about, you know, people and approaching strange
dogs or cats, and you know, one thing you notice
is about funny and listen, I'm glad you called it
with a cat question. Cats are really funny because you
can have and this happens. Cats have a threshold. I
wouldn't say all cats. Many cats have a threshold up
to which they will actually tolerate being petted. In fact,
they like it. But all of a sudden, in the
middle of the petting, when they reach that threshold, they
are going to turn around and they're either going to
try to grab you with all four feet and pull
their hand into you and start nibbling on your wrists
or your fingers, right, or they're just going to turn
around and give you a whack. So, oh yeah, and
that is a cat thing, you know. You get the
dog rolled over on the belly, right. You could sit
there for two hours. The cat you could sit there
maybe for twenty seconds, and all of a sudden, Oh
my god, I've had enough. And boy, don't they let
you know it. And as bad as bad as dog
bites are for everybody out there, cat bites are way worse.
Speaker 3: They seem to have much more bacteria in the mouth.
Speaker 2: I mean personally, you know, when you get that little nibble,
I don't worry too much about the dog bite. I'll
wash my handles, open water, fish, a little scratch or
whatever with the teeth and I'm done. Maybe little neosporn
on it.
Speaker 3: Done? Deal cat, Oh my god, get out that antibody.
Speaker 2: Get out that augmented of the clavimox and start, you know,
going to town because cat bites can be pretty bad. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: So welcome back to Ask the Bet with Doctor Jeff.
I am because you have to where we're your host
here on pet life Radio. Just having a blast today.
We were talking about dog bites. I was so intrigued
by listening to the conversation from the show just before
us from a deb wolf and you know a lot
of great information and you know, don't be timid now,
you know. Let's while we're on that subject, let's talk
about what do you do if you're, say, at a park,
or you're out in public somewhere and you see an
aggressive dog or dogs? And how many stories have we
heard about, you know, the two dogs. And by the way,
when you see two loose dogs running and seemingly aggressive,
that is worse than the one. And the reason for
that is it sets off sort of like a pac mentality.
You're much safer to have just the one that you
can deal with too, not just because the strength and numbers,
but they seem to feed off of each other, part
in the pun when it comes to dogs. But that
could make it worse. So some of the things that
might work when you're dealing with one dog may not
work as well sadly when you have this pack mentality.
Speaker 3: But a couple of things that you can do.
Speaker 2: First of all, and you've heard this before, don't run,
because what happens is that now it becomes a predator
prey instinct that sort of will click into that dog.
And trust me, I don't care who you are, I
don't care. If you're the world record holder in the mile,
you will not outrun a dog. So you just have
to know that they can catch up to you, and
they will want to if you're running. Number Two, don't challenge,
meaning don't look an aggressive dog in the eyes, because
to them that's a threat. Number Three, if you really
think you're gonna lose this battle in this dog is tough,
bend down, crouch down, kind of put your hands covering
your head, your face, take your face like down into
here in between your legs, and hopefully some help will come.
If you're not much of a threat, maybe the dog
will stop. Here's the best thing. However, dogs don't necessarily
have great depth perception. In fact, I'll take it one
step further. They have lousy depth perception. So if you
look around where you are, if you are close to
a wall, even if it's the end of a brick wall,
somewhere a tree or a park, car lean up against
one of anything you can, because dog doesn't realize that
you might be standing now even if you're up against
the wall, there might be eight ten inches really you're
in front of that wall. But to the dog, they
don't get it.
Speaker 3: To the dog. You are literally part of the wall.
Speaker 2: And obviously a dog is not going to lunge for
a wall or a lunge to a tree, so they
will sit there. They might park themselves in front of you,
and they might be barking and salivating and growling and
showing their teeth, but it's less likely that they're going
to take that lunge. Just be very still, and again,
don't look them in the eye. So those are just
some tricks to avoid being bitten by a dog, and
you should teach your kids the same thing. The biggest
mistake people make because they start running around, hands flailing around,
and you know, that's like an invitation to the dog
to say, okay, come and get me, come and get
me and bite me. So be really careful out there.
So anyway, again, I want to hear more stories. I
mean like to know if any of you out there
that work with animals, especially or just even if you don't,
even if you're just a pet parent, how many of
you have been bitten by.
Speaker 3: Your own dogs.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I'd love to hear about that.
Send me a response and send me your information and
we'll go ahead and talk about that at a future show.
How many listeners out there have been bitten by their
own dog? I mean I have It's not the craziest
thing in the world. When I was little, I'm act
that's some really stupid things, they said. Stepping on a
sleeping Doberman is really not that smartest thing in the world.
But you know, sometimes it's just My aunt had a dog,
for example. Of all the breeds, and those of you
that have this breed, and I have two of them,
can certainly appreciate.
Speaker 3: His dog was a yellow Labrador.
Speaker 2: And he was the sweetest, the most fun the greatest dog.
I mean literally would lick you to death major tongue. Okay,
but he had a bone, and I'm talking this one
bone that he used to play with, and darn it,
you could not get near this guy when he was
chewing on his bone. And I'm talking even me and
I got along great with him. Anyone, my aunt, her family,
my cousins, nobody. That was the one time his name
was by Centennial Barnabus. They got him back in nineteen
seventy six. They called him Barney. And you could not
touch this dog when he was chewing his bone. It
was off limits. And it was really funny because a labrador,
they'll usually get up and start licking you in this
because they know they can probably get another bone. But
it was very interesting. So I want to know who
out there of our listeners, and hopefully there are quite
a few of you listening today who are afraid to
call us at eight seven seven three eight five eight
eight eighty two or send me a question at doctor
Jeff at petlife radio dot com who's been bitten by
their own dog. So, first of all, it's been really
busy at work. I've had some really really good cases. Sadly,
one of our splenectomy cases. Actually, I think I told
you we had two. One that I thought was going
to be disaster came back benine. The other one which
did come back malignant and started treating and this poor
girl she started to metastasize and it's the hardest thing.
And you know, the dog is twelve or thirteen. So
I mean, overall it did fairly well, but you know,
it's tough because it's a dog in a family with
two small kids, and it's really really I mean, it's
always tough to say goodbye. It's always tough to deliver
that news about a dog who's coming out of our mission,
or the tumor that we knew was going to metastasize
finally is and starting to create some havoc in the
liver and more bleeding, et cetera. But to have to
break that news to kids is really really tough because
they don't understand it the same.
Speaker 3: So it's really sad.
Speaker 2: But doing a lot of media work. In fact, we're
going to try to post a segment. I just did
a segment on our local ABC affiliate here in Los Angeles.
I have one coming up next week on our one
of our local stations. It's a CBS station, it's called
k CAL, Channel nine, and I'll.
Speaker 3: Work on a few.
Speaker 2: I'm coming into New York actually in a couple of
weeks to do another segment. But I'm getting a lot
of interest in something that obviously many of us do
and have done for a long time. And for some reason,
I think it's because of all the Housewives TV shows
you know outside of Dallas and How's Wives Miami and
Housewives of New Jersey and Los Angeles, Housewives of New York.
Speaker 3: But plastic surgery for pets and TV.
Speaker 2: Producers, news producers are so intrigued that the whole concept
of plastic surgery for pets like, oh my god, why
would it pet ap plastic surgery? So I often have
to sort of put the brakes on. I said, time out,
time out. We're not talking cosmetic surgery. We're talking pure,
the purest of the plastic surgery, which is plastics and
reconstructive surgery. When inventing medicine with pets, our biggest concern,
our primary focus is going to be on function, so
much so that we will often have to sacrifice form
in order to achieve that function. As an example, let's
take one of the common surgeres we often do, and
it is skin fold reduction. That means we have such
deep skin folds save the perfect dog would be a
bulldog or a sharpai or a frenchy a pug that
have so many folds around, say their face or their neck,
that we continually get deep infections within these folds. And
you can treat them, and you can drying powders and
antibiotics and anti itch and you know, collars, whatever the
case may be. But the inherent problem, the fold is
still there. So even though you solve the problem today
a month from now, whatever longer, maybe even shorter, it's
back again.
Speaker 3: So we have to do.
Speaker 2: And obviously, especially with a dog like a Sharpei, certain bulldogs,
one of the things that they're being bred for are
these big, big folds. I mean, what's a Sharpei without
all the skin folds. So of course, in order to
remedy this problem, we're going to have to remove some.
Speaker 3: Of those folds.
Speaker 2: We're going to have to take this beautiful prize Sharpei
and in my book, will always be beautiful, but make
them not as beautiful from the shar Pei perspective, from
the skin fold perspective, in order to correct the problem
once and for all and to eliminate these persistent bacterial
skin fold infections. So that's a perfect example. Another thing
we're doing, and I'm doing one next week is called
entropion surgery, and entropion is an eyelid surgery, and it's
an inward rolling of the lids, and the lids continually
rub up against the eyeball, causing persistent conjunctivitis, drain, it, discharge,
et cetera. And it is so uncomfortable for the dogs
and certain breeds. The chow again, the Sharpei, the Rodweiler.
Even some labradors are notorious the bulldogs for their entropion.
So we will be doing one next week. So you know,
the key is that when it comes to people and
just you know, I was joking about all these housewives
shows because they are so willing to make themselves uncomfortable,
to have more difficulty breathing or moving right in order
to with they and their minds look better. Personally, I
don't think it usually looks better. So whereas our goal
is we don't really care about the looks, we care
about the function. And then it goes the same thing
for dental work, do you realize that we I shouldn't
say we because I don't do it. We would refer
to a veterani a dentist, But there is an entire
specialty in veteran dentistry that will work with dogs or
cat's mouths and they will put braces on and apparatuses
that will help straighten the teeth. And again it's not
for that prize winning smile. Dogs aren't going to smile
for the camera. But what it is for is to
allow them to eat properly, allow them to get with
the energy that they expend on trying to eat to
actually get that food in the mouth and chew it
more efficiently, and you know it's a or sometimes eliminate infections.
So there's so many things that we can do now
that we understand that cosmesis is not the whole problem.
It is that that we're trying to improve their function.
So again it's always that battle between form and function.
So anyway, it's that time. Boy, I'll say, it goes
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