WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.120 Hey everybody, this is Jason. We haven't posted anything in 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:05.440 a while, but that's about to change, as we've been 3 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:08.279 recording episodes about Foundation, and I just wanted to make 4 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:11.000 a couple quick comments before the actual episode starts. BB 5 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:13.640 and I really struggled to get into the show initially, 6 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:16.280 so much so that we scrapped the first couple episodes 7 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.679 that we recorded and decided to just cover all of 8 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:21.440 season one in one podcast because we didn't want anyone 9 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:24.320 to sit through ten episodes of just negativity like that. 10 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:27.359 You know, but I promise you that around midway through 11 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:29.960 season two we completely change our tune and we are 12 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.359 really enjoying the series. We just recorded season two episode nine, 13 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:35.439 and we are so excited for the finale and for 14 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.439 season three to start. And yes, we did record all 15 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.399 these episodes in advance, mostly because we couldn't like get 16 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:44.600 our schedules together to be consistent. This also means that 17 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.079 as you listen, we will be a few weeks behind 18 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.280 on the news. For instance, we just found out that 19 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.119 the release date for season three is July eleventh, so 20 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.000 we'll be putting out episodes between now and then so 21 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.000 we can start covering season three as it releases, and 22 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:59.479 I believe I'm going to have to double up some 23 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:01.439 of these episodes in the first couple of weeks here 24 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.319 in order for that timing to work out. Anyway, here's 25 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:08.040 our coverage of Foundation season one, and remember we will 26 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:09.439 like season two a lot better. 27 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.400 Welcome to spacing Out with BB and Jason this week 28 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:17.159 covering season one of Foundation. 29 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:24.239 Welcome to Spacing Out. 30 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:27.640 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are here to 31 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:32.319 discuss Foundation, which is currently available to stream on Apple TV. 32 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.200 And we're taking a little different approach today because we're 33 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:39.040 going to look at the entirety of season one, which 34 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:40.840 was not the original plan. We were going to go 35 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:44.640 episode by episode, and we started down that route and 36 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:46.879 it just didn't feel right. I felt like we had. 37 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:48.519 Too much bad stuff to say. 38 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.200 There's a lot of negativity, especially coming from BB's Mike, 39 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:59.519 but a lot of I think a lot of frustrations 40 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.239 and not underderstanding what's going on, and just kind of 41 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.640 realized that, like, this is a story being told over 42 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:09.879 a season and not really like a episodic Yeah, not 43 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:14.960 episotic at all, really, So we recalibrated and decided we're 44 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:16.960 going to watch all ten episodes of season one and 45 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:18.400 then come back and talk to it. And that's what 46 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.520 we're doing now. So I think we'll do like a 47 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.599 quick spoiler free part of it, just to say how 48 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.840 we felt about it, and then we'll go and pick 49 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.159 apart some of the plot elements. And we haven't seen 50 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.400 season two yet, so we're not going to spoil these 51 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.919 season two at all. But we're talking about Foundation season one, 52 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:40.439 and this aired between September twenty fourth and November nineteenth 53 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.199 of twenty twenty one. Is created by David Eskoyer and 54 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:48.759 Josh Friedman, and in this season, Foundation chronicles the beginning 55 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:51.120 of the epic saga centered on the collapse of the 56 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:54.639 Galactic Empire and the efforts of mathematician Harry Selden and 57 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.439 his followers to mitigate the ensuing Dark Age through the 58 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:01.479 creation of the Foundation. The story spans multiple timelines and perspectives, 59 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:06.240 weaving political industry, intrigue, rebellion, and philosophical questions into the 60 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:08.039 fabric of a sprawling narrative. 61 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:15.120 Oh boy, vive check, did we like the season overall? 62 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:17.800 How does it stand the test of time? 63 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:18.039 All? 64 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:22.280 Right? So, without getting into any spoilers for what happens, like, 65 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.960 how'd you feel about this season of television? 66 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.080 It was all right. I wouldn't have picked it up personally. 67 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:33.879 It doesn't feel like my cup of tea. But from 68 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.560 the reviews of the second season, I'm interested in like 69 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:41.840 at least finishing what I started. It's just like I 70 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.240 don't know, I could tell it wasn't for me. So, yeah, 71 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.120 it's above mediocre. 72 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.960 Yeah, I mean it's definitely it's visually stunning, and you know, 73 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:51.919 it's got a lot of. 74 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.560 Like this, there's a lot of lore. 75 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:57.639 There's a lot of lore. I think the lore was 76 00:03:58.039 --> 00:03:59.159 often quite confusing. 77 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.879 Yeah, feel like this is like a fan edit, like 78 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:05.680 this is this is for somebody who read the books 79 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.840 and was really into that and now they made it 80 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.000 into something for them. Like it doesn't feel like like 81 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.439 if you're just any Joe off the street, I don't 82 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.800 know if you're going to enjoy this. That's how that's 83 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:19.839 my perspective. I'm any Joe. 84 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.399 I came at this as you know, someone who I 85 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.120 just read the books this last year, and you know, 86 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.279 I'm later I'll get into like some of the differences, 87 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.720 but even knowing like the core of the story, like 88 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:34.519 there was a lot of elements that were hard to track, 89 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:41.000 hard to just follow all the storylines and what's happening sequentially, 90 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.800 what's happening kind of in different timelines, and just yeah, 91 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.399 a lot of confusion, but there was also still a 92 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.560 lot of interesting things along the way that we're enough 93 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.199 to keep me invested to an extent, and there's a 94 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.439 part of me that was like, I'm frustrated with not 95 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.360 understanding what's going on, and I kind of land on 96 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:04.040 the side where like maybe I'll like give it another 97 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:06.639 watch and see if I understand it more. And I 98 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:08.600 think you might have came down on the side or 99 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:10.639 like this isn't working for me. 100 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.160 Yeah, it's just not for me. It's it's really it's 101 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:25.000 a show about math and colonization, Like it's about like empires, 102 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:30.160 and it's just not for me. I'm not the target 103 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.199 audience at all. I think they were trying to get 104 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:37.600 a diverse target with their casting, but it falls short 105 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.519 for me as a diverse audience. 106 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.720 Meant yeah, also good performances in there, and so I'm 107 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.920 hoping that we'll look back at season one and be 108 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:49.399 like that was kind of rough, had some good elements, 109 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:51.720 but you know, they figured it out from there. That's 110 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.319 what my hope is. All right, well, from here on out, 111 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:56.959 there might be spoilers things that come. So if you 112 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.399 don't want to be spoiled, if we caught you off 113 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.120 guard by doing a whole season at once, don't listen 114 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:03.319 further unless you want to. 115 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:08.480 I like being spoiled in all aspects good than you are. 116 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:14.079 I think it's good. I think it's just like I 117 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.439 don't think it's as universal as they want it to be, 118 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:17.120 you know. 119 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.519 It's Yeah, And we went into this like not really 120 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.079 knowing much about what this show was. We were based 121 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.439 on like, hey, this is like if you look up 122 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:29.879 lists of like what are the good science fiction shows 123 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.959 right now, this shows up on it usually pretty high 124 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:33.839 on the list. And we watched the trailer for it, 125 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.959 and we're like, hey, that looks really fun and engaging for. 126 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.839 As many characters as it has. I wish it felt 127 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.240 more like the Game of Thrones in terms of the 128 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:50.160 drama and the world building and the intrigue and stuff. 129 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.279 It's just missing all of that for some reason for me, 130 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.199 at least the first seasons of the Game of Thrones. 131 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:03.000 Trivia time, what facts or news could we uncover for Foundation. 132 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.839 Isaac Asimov wrote a series of eight stories for Astounding 133 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:10.399 Science Fiction magazine between nineteen forty two and nineteen fifty 134 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.279 and then later these stories were published into three books, 135 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.199 resulting in the Foundation Trilogy, which is kind of how 136 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.399 it remained for quite a while, and then Asimov returned 137 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:21.759 to the series decades later to write two sequels and 138 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.839 two prequels between nineteen eighty two and nineteen ninety three. 139 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.600 The original trilogy has won several awards over the years 140 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:30.519 and it's held up as one of the cornerstones of 141 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.959 science fiction. So several attempts that a film adaptation have 142 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.639 accred over the years, and one point, New Line Cinema 143 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.639 spent one point five million dollars developing a film trilogy 144 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:47.120 before ultimately producing the Lord of the Rings trilogy. That's 145 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.040 a hard left and you know, nobody watched that, so 146 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:53.680 that was a big fail for them. So then the 147 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.040 rights kind of bounced around to different studios until Apple 148 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:01.439 TV began development as early as twenty five fourteen, and 149 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.519 in the book series had been considered unfilmable over the 150 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.959 years due to its settings and the narrative taking place 151 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.839 over thousands of years, and then another aspect of the 152 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:15.279 books is that in the books the robots are just 153 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:18.519 some obscure legend that barely get mentioned, and even the 154 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.680 word robots only known to a few number of people. 155 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:24.600 But so Isaac Asimov. He also wrote a series called 156 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.959 the Robot Series, and he may have heard of his 157 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.519 like three Laws of Robotics. And he also wrote another 158 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:32.919 series called the Galactic Empire series, And all three of 159 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:36.600 these were separate entities, and then at some point later 160 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:38.480 in his life he decided he was going to merge 161 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.080 all of these and wrote some stories that connected them 162 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:42.919 all and said they're all part of the same universe 163 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.519 in different parts of the timeline. So that's what we 164 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.360 see in the show, as they're kind of bringing in 165 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.879 that robot aspect to it. The series began filming in 166 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:55.440 Ireland and also filmed in the island country of Malta 167 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.240 and the Canary Islands. Season one was interrupted by the 168 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:02.000 COVID nineteen pandemic and several locations were changed due to restrictions, 169 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.759 and it took nineteen months to film the first season. 170 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.600 Hmmm, that's sad. That's rough for a film crew. 171 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:10.240 Yeah, and I do believe there's a lot of times 172 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.799 that they intended to have like bigger scenes, bigger crowds, 173 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.720 and they kind of had to reduce and change the 174 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.000 way they shot things to cover for that. The series 175 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:23.399 composer is Bear McCreery, and we know him from Battlestar 176 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.039 Galactica among many other science fiction shows. He's kind of 177 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:30.279 the go to guy for doing sci fi television these days, 178 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.679 and the season had a substantial budget estimated around forty 179 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:36.960 five million, which rivals other epic series such as Game 180 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:37.879 of Thrones. 181 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.960 Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts 182 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.039 on this season. You can share your thoughts with us 183 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.799 through email or social media. We may use your comments 184 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:53.159 on an upcoming episode. 185 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.600 And yet they couldn't capture that magic. Nope, they were 186 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.519 missing a character like little Finger or something, you know, 187 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.399 somebody everybody loves to hate because they try the way 188 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.840 that they painted Empire, they kind of want you to 189 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.600 feel bad for him because he's a clone. And I'm like, 190 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.000 give me a fucking villain, bro, give me somebody I 191 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.440 can sink my teeth into somebody who is like just 192 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:25.480 fucking evil, Like there's no ifs answer butts, Like he 193 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:29.919 literally annihilated two planets in the first couple of episodes, 194 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.639 and later in the season he's crying about being imperfect. 195 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.240 I'm like, I can't relate. I can't, I don't, I don't. 196 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.720 I don't know what to feel about this person. I 197 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:44.840 feel like they they should have made it very clear 198 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.720 that this is the bad guy, this is who we 199 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:51.679 want to take down, this is our common enemy. And 200 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.039 it's so wishy washy, and they spend so much time 201 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.840 with him and and like making him like a tragic 202 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:01.120 figures somehow. 203 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.960 Yeah, but like, I don't know, your heart's not really 204 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.679 with him, no, like the youngest one, Yeah, like I 205 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.200 felt for him when he kind of he was trying 206 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.960 to hide his differences and falling in love and then 207 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.720 getting betrayed, and like his journey was tragic. 208 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.639 Yeah, but they're all the same guy, so it's. 209 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.120 It's well, no, they're all corrupted. 210 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.679 Yeah, And that was the last we hear about it. 211 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.120 And so my favorite was when the robot lady just 212 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:31.279 mrked him. She's just like, wow, I made the executive decision, 213 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:34.279 you bitches. And if she finds out the other guy's impure, 214 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:35.600 he's running scared. 215 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.440 Yeah, I do not trust any of your feelings with 216 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:42.440 that woman anymore. 217 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.840 Which she's a robot, right, but she's a robot with visions. 218 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:50.080 That's weird. 219 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:54.080 Yeah, So she has some complexity to her, which. 220 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:55.720 I wish they explored more. 221 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:58.799 Yeah, and I'm hoping they continue to do that because 222 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:01.320 you know, it was interesting that she had gone through 223 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.919 that rite of passage on that. I don't remember the 224 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.120 details of what that planet was, but that religious place journey. 225 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.000 Yeah, the Maiden. Yeah, the Maiden. 226 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.600 She had done that, and she definitely held beliefs about 227 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.480 that that seemed almost conflicting for her. And then she 228 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.799 was definitely had emotions at the end of the series 229 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:21.960 when she ripped her face off. 230 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.840 Yeah. The fact that she don't have lips under there 231 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:29.399 that manipulate that little flaps, it's just teeth, you know. 232 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:33.440 It reminded me of Chucky. Oh that one. I think 233 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:36.799 it's like Chucky two or three where they go to 234 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:40.200 the Chucky manufacturing plant and you see how they build 235 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.159 the little good guy dolls. I watched too much Chucky 236 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:43.919 as a child. 237 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.720 I don't think I've seen Chucky outside of just like 238 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:49.720 clips here and there. 239 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:56.000 No, can we watch Chucky and do a podcast about Chucky. 240 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.159 It's kind of science fiction because it's about a man 241 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.200 who possesses a doll, and the doll then goes on 242 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.279 like a murder spree trying to become human again, and 243 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.039 then they jump the sharks. 244 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.440 I thought you were going to say, look like a 245 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:15.559 terminator because they have the skull with just the teeth. 246 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:19.399 Oh no, I'm sorry. I didn't do a Terminator reference. 247 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:27.120 I did a Chucky reference instead. I don't know. It's 248 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:32.159 also like anytime there's a world and this this kind 249 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:33.639 of like a Star Wars thing too. 250 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:35.559 Uh. 251 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.279 I don't know why, but they're like, oh well, this 252 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:41.960 is just a water world. Everything's covered in water. Oh 253 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:46.200 well this this is a world with sand, everything's covered 254 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:46.799 in sand. 255 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:52.320 Yeah, there's no like diverse ecosystems, Like you're the ice planet, 256 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:54.399 You're the sand planet. Yeah. 257 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.759 I don't like that because the planet we live on 258 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:03.600 here today, in this Earth has biodiversity. And it's just 259 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.799 like how big are these planets that they're just cover 260 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.279 I mean I can understand like a planet covered in 261 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:11.039 water because that's where we're going. 262 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.159 Yeah, that's just the quantity of water on that planet. 263 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:15.360 Yeah. 264 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.519 Is it just that we're so special that it just 265 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.559 doesn't occur? In other planets. I guess we. I'm trying 266 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:26.080 to think of like Pluto and like Neptune and Saturn 267 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:29.320 and Jupiter, and we are pretty special, I guess so. 268 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.919 But if it's a like a life supporting planet, you. 269 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.679 Think it can be more similar, you would think, But. 270 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:38.480 I don't know. Maybe it has to do with our 271 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.279 rotating access and everything. 272 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:45.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, our magnet our magnetism just a pet 273 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:47.799 peeve of mine, like, oh well this what this planet 274 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:52.080 is just covered in water, that's it. Where would you 275 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.840 want to live if you got to choose out of 276 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.559 those planets that they're all living in in this series? 277 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.080 Yeah, the water planet was like super religious. 278 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:03.440 Yeah, yeah, do you want to live in a really 279 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:04.639 conservative planet? 280 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.559 Because I would very restricting, no science and. 281 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.000 If you read your fucking mark, like you're gonna die. 282 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.000 The guy with the library was executed. 283 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:18.480 Yeah, And then you know the Foundation. They're kind of 284 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.759 primitive and they're whole setup. 285 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:25.360 Well they live in tents mostly, yeah, or campers. 286 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:26.639 So they're kind of roughing it out there. 287 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.120 Yeah, and everyone's wearing a coat, which tells me it's cold. 288 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.200 And then you've got the whatever they call where the 289 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:35.440 empire is. 290 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:38.679 But You wouldn't get to live on the palace with him. 291 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:41.360 No, you'd be in the city, somewhere. 292 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.960 In the multi layered city where some people have never 293 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:47.679 seen the light of day except for that crack that form. 294 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:51.080 I don't know. None of these planets seem like viable 295 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:52.120 places to live. 296 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.720 I don't know. Maybe I'd go on those desert walks 297 00:15:58.000 --> 00:15:59.440 for the salt. 298 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:04.279 Mine help people. At least it's not cold. 299 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:06.519 Oh they seemed happy. 300 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:10.519 Yeah, I did, like that lady that challenged the empire though, Yeah, 301 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:15.799 and she and she was right, but he didn't let 302 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.639 her win because he cheated. 303 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.440 Yeah, he just made up some vision. Yeah, crazy, and 304 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.279 now he knows he's like soul. 305 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:27.399 Listen, how do you do with that? That's crazy. I mean, 306 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:32.399 as a person who doesn't believe in like a soul, 307 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.159 I wouldn't be bothered. I'd be like, oh wow, But 308 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:39.039 you know what would suck if, like when he got 309 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.879 to do mushrooms and stuff, he didn't hallucinate, like any 310 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.440 hallucigen it like anything where you hallucinate. It doesn't work 311 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.399 on him because he doesn't have a soul. Then I'd 312 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.600 be really cross. I'd be like, dude, these mushrooms suck. 313 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:52.960 They don't work. 314 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.399 Do you think that's how it works. If you don't 315 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.320 have a soul, then you don't get to hallucinate, you know. 316 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.159 You don't get to look upon the face of God. 317 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:01.919 Yeah. 318 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.240 But also if you like open the arc of the Covenant, 319 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:05.799 you'd probably be fine too. Yeah. 320 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:11.799 Yeah, so you're saying those Nazis had more soul than him. 321 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:13.559 Yes, Oh my god. 322 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.079 We can talk about women and their rule and saving 323 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.519 the world and the hole of humanity and how their 324 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:27.119 rules are super undermined because this big white guy comes 325 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:31.519 out of this black obelisk and is like, everything is 326 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.400 going according to Bland. 327 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:41.240 Yeah, you were all just my ponds. Yeah, and what's 328 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.319 her name, Salvor. She's like, hey, I'm the one that 329 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.000 like deciphered this stuff and brought that ship here and 330 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.680 did all the hard work. And he's like, oh, yeah, thanks. 331 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:51.599 I guess I don't know who you are, but you 332 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.519 did it, girl. Not even a pat on the back. 333 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.079 He can't I can't touch people. 334 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.960 Oh I didn't know. I forgot. He's a hologramd It's 335 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:04.079 it's not even like unseen labor at this point. It's 336 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:09.000 like very clear labor that is just blatantly ignored and 337 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:12.680 taken advance, like taken for granted. And I'm really interested 338 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:17.440 to see what the meeting of the two protagonists means 339 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.720 in the future. Yeah, because I feel like they're already 340 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:26.200 like this unlike individually, they're already like this unstoppable force 341 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:32.359 like this like predictive, like I can see the future. Shit, 342 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.559 I can. The fact that like they can connect with 343 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:41.079 each other over millions and millions of like light years 344 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.119 away is crazy, and I feel like it's not insignificant 345 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.920 or else they wouldn't show it, but it's just like 346 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.160 right now, it's just kind of like this big mystery, 347 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.480 and I don't know. I just I felt like I 348 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.680 felt really bad for her for not getting answers when 349 00:18:58.720 --> 00:18:59.640 that guy showed up. 350 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.720 Yeah, so now it's driven her to go find her 351 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:03.400 own answers. 352 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.440 Yeah, because she worked so hard to like save that 353 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.480 ship and make sure that her people weren't dying and 354 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:15.440 stuff like that, and like nobody was like, hey, thanks 355 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:16.440 did a good job. 356 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:18.440 So you don't meet your heroes. 357 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:23.799 Yeah, and yeah, it just it sucked. I thought it 358 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:28.279 was a really good plot twist that that guy's girlfriend 359 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:33.279 was an insurrectionist. She wanted to overthrow the government. Oh 360 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.799 of the Empire's girlfriend. Yeah, she was playing the long con. 361 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.519 Yeah. I wonder if that's the end of the first story 362 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.559 or not. Because they kept her alive. 363 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.279 Yeah, but all of her family and friends we'll never 364 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:50.599 remember her. Yeah, she's been erased from her life, which 365 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:53.799 would suck. Where do you go, like they should? I mean, 366 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.359 they could have just let her back out into the world, 367 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.480 and it would have just been like starting over from scratch. 368 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.440 You don't have any friends, you don't have any community, 369 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.720 you don't have anything that like existing in the world 370 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:10.559 without anything to hold you to it in terms of 371 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.400 human connection. What a lonely existence. But then they're also 372 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.440 going to put her in solitary, which sucks. I don't 373 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:22.000 like the Carcoo state in general, but this one seems 374 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:24.559 really shitty. Yeah, and they're gonna feed her through a 375 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.400 feeding tube, so she won't even get to eat or anything. 376 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.279 That's like one of my favorite things to do. I 377 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:34.559 was shocked also when like they came and got him, Like, 378 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:38.559 I was shocked that his girlfriend ended up being an op. 379 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:43.839 And then I was doubly shocked when his dawn came 380 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:48.480 in and was like got you bitch, Like that was 381 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.279 the most intrigue and the most like that was one 382 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:57.480 of the heightened spaces or storylines for me. That was 383 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:02.319 like super memorable, very like taught like twists and turns 384 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:07.559 and like very well thought out about like what was happening. 385 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:10.319 Yeah, it definitely felt like that. I think that was 386 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:11.440 episode nine. 387 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:13.920 Why did it take that long to get here? 388 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:17.160 Yeah, because that felt like really like the climax of 389 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.920 the season, and just like the way we ended up 390 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:22.480 watching it. We watched it over a few months and 391 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:24.759 we kind of had to take a break in there 392 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:27.880 because there was like family stuff and holidays and going on. 393 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.559 Then we came back and watched that episode and it 394 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:32.799 was like, first I was like a little loss on 395 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:36.599 what was happening. Those recaps weren't enough to like Kitchiga 396 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.759 back in line. But but yeah, that was like a 397 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:43.000 wild ride of an episode. Yeah, because there was that 398 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:47.680 storyline going on with everything on Terminus and the foundation 399 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:48.440 with that ship. 400 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:54.240 See. I wish that the ship subplot would have been 401 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:59.720