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<v Speaker 1>This is Later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>more what you Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Luis lou Alessando is a former head of the Advanced

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<v Speaker 2>Aerospace Threat Identification Program AATIP at the Pentagon, and they

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<v Speaker 2>researched UFOs, now known as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon Because, as

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<v Speaker 2>we all know, the truth is out there. He's written

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<v Speaker 2>all about it in his new volume and account, Inside

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<v Speaker 2>the Pentagon's most closely guarded secret Wall, to call action

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<v Speaker 2>to confront humanity's greatest existential questions. In Inside the Pentagon's

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<v Speaker 2>Hunt for UFOs, Emminent Louis Alessando, It's good to have

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<v Speaker 2>you along.

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<v Speaker 3>It is my sincere honor and privilege to be here

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<v Speaker 3>with you today.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>So why is there or does there seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>such secretcy when it comes to these phenomenon? Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Great question. So I think there's two reasons for it.

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<v Speaker 3>First and foremost, if you look at when we started

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<v Speaker 3>really dealing with this as a nation and as a

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<v Speaker 3>national security issue, was really at the height of the

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<v Speaker 3>Cold War, where Russia and the US were really toe

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<v Speaker 3>to toe in what people call it Cold War, but

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<v Speaker 3>really was very hot, and there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>proxy wars going on. It was kind of a winner

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<v Speaker 3>takes all chess match, and what we didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>do was tip our hand to the enemy. At the time,

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<v Speaker 3>what we knew about UFOs, and more importantly, what we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know. We knew that Russia had their own UFO

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<v Speaker 3>program as well, and this was all kind of cloak

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<v Speaker 3>and dagger, and so that was one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't really want to talk about it. The second

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<v Speaker 3>was I think there was, well, there's actually three reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>The second issue was that the military leadership was not

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<v Speaker 3>prepared to address a problem which we didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>solution for. The government is really really good at addressing

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<v Speaker 3>problems for which there is a solution. But we had

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<v Speaker 3>the things that were coming into our controlled US air

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<v Speaker 3>space over our sense of the military installations. They were

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<v Speaker 3>performing in ways that we couldn't replicate, and there wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really a darn thing we could do about do about

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<v Speaker 3>it at the time. So that's not really good conversation

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<v Speaker 3>to have with the American people. Right when you are

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<v Speaker 3>a government, the last thing you want to do is

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<v Speaker 3>present a problem for which there is no real, immediate

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<v Speaker 3>solution for And then the last issue was there were

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<v Speaker 3>several studies done, commission official studies done, paid for by

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<v Speaker 3>the US government to say, hey, what would happen if

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<v Speaker 3>we told the American people the truth that UFOs were real?

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<v Speaker 3>And after extensive research, the recommendation was the American people

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<v Speaker 3>can't handle it. It would disrupt civil society. It could

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<v Speaker 3>disrupt the way in which we live our life, this

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<v Speaker 3>ontological shock, you know, and it could be very disruptive

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<v Speaker 3>to our civil society, our fabric. So those were some

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<v Speaker 3>of the reasons why I personally don't agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think America can handle the truth. I think America

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<v Speaker 3>deserves the truth. And your tax payamount has been used

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<v Speaker 3>to study these euap and the results of which have

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<v Speaker 3>resulted in some very very compelling evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>And he writes about it and inside the Pentagon's Hunt

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<v Speaker 2>for UFOs Imminent, lou Elisondo is with us, how much

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<v Speaker 2>of the work that you were doing with a Pentagon

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<v Speaker 2>went hand in hand with the space program?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't think you could separate the two. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's why one of the observables was in There are

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<v Speaker 3>five observables that the program really focused on one was

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<v Speaker 3>transmedium travel, and that's really one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>the word UAP is now used, because the old term

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<v Speaker 3>unidentified at flying objects isn't really accurate anymore. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>these things and very very high altitude, potentially low Earth orbit,

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<v Speaker 3>and even underwater. So yeah, you have to work with

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<v Speaker 3>all these different intelligence collection capabilities and various domains if

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<v Speaker 3>you will, or environments fancy word for environment, to get

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<v Speaker 3>a better picture of what these things are, where they're

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<v Speaker 3>coming in from, and what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the greatest disappointments of my life was college physics.

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<v Speaker 2>When I started studying relativity, speed of light, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>I came to the conclusion rather quickly that, Okay, as

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<v Speaker 2>we physical beings are the closest galaxy of any repute

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<v Speaker 2>that would have anybody or anything that would want to

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<v Speaker 2>come here is several light years away, traveling the speed

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<v Speaker 2>of light is physically impossible for our bodies anyway. So

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<v Speaker 2>then and there, my belief in anything that was anything

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<v Speaker 2>like us visiting this planet was kind of shot down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there's actually two things to consider. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's a great point. It's brought up a lot. First

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<v Speaker 3>of all, there are tricks around that. There's theories like

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<v Speaker 3>now right, you can look it up called now Kubiery drive,

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<v Speaker 3>where basically you warp spacetime in a localized area and

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<v Speaker 3>you compress it in front while get stretched out in

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<v Speaker 3>the back, and in essence you can travel faster than

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<v Speaker 3>speed of light without traveling faster than the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 3>But secondly, there are theories about these uap you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some call them ultra terrestrials. Some will say they're from

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<v Speaker 3>outer space, some will say they're interdmensional. Some say they're

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<v Speaker 3>just as natural to our planet that we are, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're just now at the point where we can we

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<v Speaker 3>can start to interact with them. And people say, well

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<v Speaker 3>that's nonsense. Well look, you know, my background is science,

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<v Speaker 3>microbiology and immanology. And as a species, we've been around

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<v Speaker 3>here for what two hundred thousand years as modern humans,

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<v Speaker 3>as Homo sapien sapien, and it took us, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>till two thousand years ago to realize that there's only

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<v Speaker 3>two forms of life. You're either plant or an animal.

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<v Speaker 3>And then three hundred years ago, during the Renaissance, we

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<v Speaker 3>realize there's this whole another kingdom of life. Called fungus,

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<v Speaker 3>and we pat ourselves on the shoulder. And only one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and twenty years ago, think about it, we actually

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<v Speaker 3>discovered the true dominant life form on this planet. And

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't until we could curve blasts and look through

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<v Speaker 3>a tube and famously shout little beast these little beasties,

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<v Speaker 3>did we discover the true alpha species. And out of

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<v Speaker 3>alpha kingdom of life, which was micro organisms that's been

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<v Speaker 3>here all along, that's actually the dominant life form. So

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<v Speaker 3>we're always learning new things about even our own environments,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have to keep an open mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then you look at the history of flight and

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<v Speaker 2>the relative short time we've gone from paper fabric and

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<v Speaker 2>wood aircraft to shooting for the stars.

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<v Speaker 3>I means it's even more traumatic than that. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 3>have evolved more in the last one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 3>years than we have in the last one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thousand years. We went from horse and buggy to

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<v Speaker 3>now putting metal and human beings on the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Lewis Alisando is with us. The name of the book

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<v Speaker 2>is a fascinating topic. It's imminent inside the Pentagon's hunt

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<v Speaker 2>for UFOs. Circling back to the space program was a

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<v Speaker 2>considerable amount of what was being observed experimentation, say from

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<v Speaker 2>Russia in their space program, or maybe civilians misunderstanding test

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<v Speaker 2>vehicles of our space program.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, honestly, there's probably percent of prosaic. People misidentify things

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<v Speaker 3>they see an aircraft high altitude balloons that are very luminous,

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<v Speaker 3>can even at night because they're so high that they're

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<v Speaker 3>reflecting the Sun's rays high in the altitude, high up

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<v Speaker 3>in altitude, and they're reflecting them down to Earth. So

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<v Speaker 3>it might be dark down here, but where the balloon is,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's still daylight. And so people see these luminous

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<v Speaker 3>objects and they misidentify them stars, planets. But then you've

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<v Speaker 3>got things that are not These are your vehicles that

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<v Speaker 3>can perform high G maneuvers, hypersonic velocities, and they're being

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<v Speaker 3>picked up on radar, gun camera footage, and even trained observers.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of our best combat pilots, top gun pilots, are

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<v Speaker 3>encountering these things. And so those are the ones that

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<v Speaker 3>were very compelling for us in the government. We only

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<v Speaker 3>looked at the military incidents. We weren't focused really on

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<v Speaker 3>the civilian stuff, or you know, Grandma saw some lights

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<v Speaker 3>in the backyard. This is you know, people that understand

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<v Speaker 3>the difference between an SU twenty two and a mid

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five and an F sixteen from ten miles away

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<v Speaker 3>and have to be train to make a split second

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<v Speaker 3>decision to either shoot it down or or protect it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then, of course that testimony is being backed up

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<v Speaker 3>with gun camera footage and Ford looking in for red

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the most sophisticated radar platforms on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>I could a sword one pulled up in the driveway

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<v Speaker 2>just the other day. It turned out it was one

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<v Speaker 2>of them new Tesla pickups.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, Yeah, imagine seeing that thing fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It just occurred to me the other day. One pulled

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<v Speaker 2>up next to me in the traffic at a traffic light,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, if I'd have seen this five years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have freaked out inside The Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs

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<v Speaker 2>Eminent is the name of the book. Louis Elizondo is

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<v Speaker 2>the author. It's a fascinating read. And I thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us on the drive today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, good sir.

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