Speaker 1: This is Later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast
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Speaker 2: Luis lou Alessando is a former head of the Advanced
Speaker 2: Aerospace Threat Identification Program AATIP at the Pentagon, and they
Speaker 2: researched UFOs, now known as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon Because, as
Speaker 2: we all know, the truth is out there. He's written
Speaker 2: all about it in his new volume and account, Inside
Speaker 2: the Pentagon's most closely guarded secret Wall, to call action
Speaker 2: to confront humanity's greatest existential questions. In Inside the Pentagon's
Speaker 2: Hunt for UFOs, Emminent Louis Alessando, It's good to have
Speaker 2: you along.
Speaker 3: It is my sincere honor and privilege to be here
Speaker 3: with you today.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So why is there or does there seem to be
Speaker 2: such secretcy when it comes to these phenomenon? Wow?
Speaker 3: Great question. So I think there's two reasons for it.
Speaker 3: First and foremost, if you look at when we started
Speaker 3: really dealing with this as a nation and as a
Speaker 3: national security issue, was really at the height of the
Speaker 3: Cold War, where Russia and the US were really toe
Speaker 3: to toe in what people call it Cold War, but
Speaker 3: really was very hot, and there were a lot of
Speaker 3: proxy wars going on. It was kind of a winner
Speaker 3: takes all chess match, and what we didn't want to
Speaker 3: do was tip our hand to the enemy. At the time,
Speaker 3: what we knew about UFOs, and more importantly, what we
Speaker 3: didn't know. We knew that Russia had their own UFO
Speaker 3: program as well, and this was all kind of cloak
Speaker 3: and dagger, and so that was one of the reasons
Speaker 3: we didn't really want to talk about it. The second
Speaker 3: was I think there was, well, there's actually three reasons.
Speaker 3: The second issue was that the military leadership was not
Speaker 3: prepared to address a problem which we didn't have a
Speaker 3: solution for. The government is really really good at addressing
Speaker 3: problems for which there is a solution. But we had
Speaker 3: the things that were coming into our controlled US air
Speaker 3: space over our sense of the military installations. They were
Speaker 3: performing in ways that we couldn't replicate, and there wasn't
Speaker 3: really a darn thing we could do about do about
Speaker 3: it at the time. So that's not really good conversation
Speaker 3: to have with the American people. Right when you are
Speaker 3: a government, the last thing you want to do is
Speaker 3: present a problem for which there is no real, immediate
Speaker 3: solution for And then the last issue was there were
Speaker 3: several studies done, commission official studies done, paid for by
Speaker 3: the US government to say, hey, what would happen if
Speaker 3: we told the American people the truth that UFOs were real?
Speaker 3: And after extensive research, the recommendation was the American people
Speaker 3: can't handle it. It would disrupt civil society. It could
Speaker 3: disrupt the way in which we live our life, this
Speaker 3: ontological shock, you know, and it could be very disruptive
Speaker 3: to our civil society, our fabric. So those were some
Speaker 3: of the reasons why I personally don't agree with that.
Speaker 3: I think America can handle the truth. I think America
Speaker 3: deserves the truth. And your tax payamount has been used
Speaker 3: to study these euap and the results of which have
Speaker 3: resulted in some very very compelling evidence.
Speaker 2: And he writes about it and inside the Pentagon's Hunt
Speaker 2: for UFOs Imminent, lou Elisondo is with us, how much
Speaker 2: of the work that you were doing with a Pentagon
Speaker 2: went hand in hand with the space program?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think you could separate the two. And
Speaker 3: that's why one of the observables was in There are
Speaker 3: five observables that the program really focused on one was
Speaker 3: transmedium travel, and that's really one of the reasons why
Speaker 3: the word UAP is now used, because the old term
Speaker 3: unidentified at flying objects isn't really accurate anymore. We're seeing
Speaker 3: these things and very very high altitude, potentially low Earth orbit,
Speaker 3: and even underwater. So yeah, you have to work with
Speaker 3: all these different intelligence collection capabilities and various domains if
Speaker 3: you will, or environments fancy word for environment, to get
Speaker 3: a better picture of what these things are, where they're
Speaker 3: coming in from, and what they're doing.
Speaker 2: One of the greatest disappointments of my life was college physics.
Speaker 2: When I started studying relativity, speed of light, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I came to the conclusion rather quickly that, Okay, as
Speaker 2: we physical beings are the closest galaxy of any repute
Speaker 2: that would have anybody or anything that would want to
Speaker 2: come here is several light years away, traveling the speed
Speaker 2: of light is physically impossible for our bodies anyway. So
Speaker 2: then and there, my belief in anything that was anything
Speaker 2: like us visiting this planet was kind of shot down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's actually two things to consider. I think
Speaker 3: that's a great point. It's brought up a lot. First
Speaker 3: of all, there are tricks around that. There's theories like
Speaker 3: now right, you can look it up called now Kubiery drive,
Speaker 3: where basically you warp spacetime in a localized area and
Speaker 3: you compress it in front while get stretched out in
Speaker 3: the back, and in essence you can travel faster than
Speaker 3: speed of light without traveling faster than the speed of light.
Speaker 3: But secondly, there are theories about these uap you know,
Speaker 3: some call them ultra terrestrials. Some will say they're from
Speaker 3: outer space, some will say they're interdmensional. Some say they're
Speaker 3: just as natural to our planet that we are, and
Speaker 3: we're just now at the point where we can we
Speaker 3: can start to interact with them. And people say, well
Speaker 3: that's nonsense. Well look, you know, my background is science,
Speaker 3: microbiology and immanology. And as a species, we've been around
Speaker 3: here for what two hundred thousand years as modern humans,
Speaker 3: as Homo sapien sapien, and it took us, you know,
Speaker 3: till two thousand years ago to realize that there's only
Speaker 3: two forms of life. You're either plant or an animal.
Speaker 3: And then three hundred years ago, during the Renaissance, we
Speaker 3: realize there's this whole another kingdom of life. Called fungus,
Speaker 3: and we pat ourselves on the shoulder. And only one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty years ago, think about it, we actually
Speaker 3: discovered the true dominant life form on this planet. And
Speaker 3: it wasn't until we could curve blasts and look through
Speaker 3: a tube and famously shout little beast these little beasties,
Speaker 3: did we discover the true alpha species. And out of
Speaker 3: alpha kingdom of life, which was micro organisms that's been
Speaker 3: here all along, that's actually the dominant life form. So
Speaker 3: we're always learning new things about even our own environments,
Speaker 3: and we have to keep an open mind.
Speaker 2: Well, then you look at the history of flight and
Speaker 2: the relative short time we've gone from paper fabric and
Speaker 2: wood aircraft to shooting for the stars.
Speaker 3: I means it's even more traumatic than that. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: have evolved more in the last one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: years than we have in the last one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty thousand years. We went from horse and buggy to
Speaker 3: now putting metal and human beings on the moon.
Speaker 2: Lewis Alisando is with us. The name of the book
Speaker 2: is a fascinating topic. It's imminent inside the Pentagon's hunt
Speaker 2: for UFOs. Circling back to the space program was a
Speaker 2: considerable amount of what was being observed experimentation, say from
Speaker 2: Russia in their space program, or maybe civilians misunderstanding test
Speaker 2: vehicles of our space program.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, honestly, there's probably percent of prosaic. People misidentify things
Speaker 3: they see an aircraft high altitude balloons that are very luminous,
Speaker 3: can even at night because they're so high that they're
Speaker 3: reflecting the Sun's rays high in the altitude, high up
Speaker 3: in altitude, and they're reflecting them down to Earth. So
Speaker 3: it might be dark down here, but where the balloon is,
Speaker 3: it's it's still daylight. And so people see these luminous
Speaker 3: objects and they misidentify them stars, planets. But then you've
Speaker 3: got things that are not These are your vehicles that
Speaker 3: can perform high G maneuvers, hypersonic velocities, and they're being
Speaker 3: picked up on radar, gun camera footage, and even trained observers.
Speaker 3: Some of our best combat pilots, top gun pilots, are
Speaker 3: encountering these things. And so those are the ones that
Speaker 3: were very compelling for us in the government. We only
Speaker 3: looked at the military incidents. We weren't focused really on
Speaker 3: the civilian stuff, or you know, Grandma saw some lights
Speaker 3: in the backyard. This is you know, people that understand
Speaker 3: the difference between an SU twenty two and a mid
Speaker 3: twenty five and an F sixteen from ten miles away
Speaker 3: and have to be train to make a split second
Speaker 3: decision to either shoot it down or or protect it.
Speaker 3: And then, of course that testimony is being backed up
Speaker 3: with gun camera footage and Ford looking in for red
Speaker 3: and some of the most sophisticated radar platforms on the planet.
Speaker 2: I could a sword one pulled up in the driveway
Speaker 2: just the other day. It turned out it was one
Speaker 2: of them new Tesla pickups.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, imagine seeing that thing fifty years ago.
Speaker 2: It just occurred to me the other day. One pulled
Speaker 2: up next to me in the traffic at a traffic light,
Speaker 2: and I thought, if I'd have seen this five years ago,
Speaker 2: I'd have freaked out inside The Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs
Speaker 2: Eminent is the name of the book. Louis Elizondo is
Speaker 2: the author. It's a fascinating read. And I thank you
Speaker 2: for joining us on the drive today.
Speaker 3: Thank you, good sir.
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