Speaker 1: Hey, just quickly, fans want to let you know that
Speaker 1: a lot of this episode was recorded before we hit
Speaker 1: the ground in Minneapolis for Summer Slam, for our tour
Speaker 1: of Verne Gania's house, our special event at Mall of America.
Speaker 1: All of the excitement we brought to the Twin Cities,
Speaker 1: and we did a ton of on the ground reporting
Speaker 1: and interviewing about Hulk's AWA days and just verne stature
Speaker 1: in the city. All of it in its entirety is
Speaker 1: available in travelog format on our Patreon of course Patreon
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Speaker 1: let you know that we were able to post several interviews.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you've seen them in the main feed. We called
Speaker 1: it the complete Hulk Hogan Tales from Minneapolis all put
Speaker 1: together in one episode, with folks that were recalling Hulk
Speaker 1: in the AWA and beyond, Baron von Rashki, Greg Gania.
Speaker 1: We finally got Greg. We talked to Dan Spivey about Hogan.
Speaker 1: We talked to the grappler Len Denton about Hogan. We
Speaker 1: talked to John Nord who had great insight, the Berserker,
Speaker 1: the Viking, call them what you will about Hulk in
Speaker 1: the AWA. We also talked to mister Kennedy Slash Anderson,
Speaker 1: who of course worked with Hulk and TNA when the
Speaker 1: Hogan Bischoff regime was going. So in case you missed
Speaker 1: those or weren't quite sure what that was in the feed,
Speaker 1: that's some one of a kind content we're bringing you
Speaker 1: as part of the complete and we also included as
Speaker 1: part of that our tour of Vern Gania's Lake Minnetonka
Speaker 1: mants which still stands but as an office for the
Speaker 1: Parks District that all those years ago took the property
Speaker 1: by eminent domain. We actually got to talk to Greg
Speaker 1: a bit about that if you listened to the great piece.
Speaker 1: And then we included audio of our house tour of
Speaker 1: the Ganya Mansion from our homie Zach at the Three
Speaker 1: Parts Three River Parks District, who was able to take
Speaker 1: us through all of them, the ins and outs of
Speaker 1: what it took to procure the property and how Vern
Speaker 1: pushed back. It's fascinating stuff, so we take you through that.
Speaker 1: And we also got some time at the bar at Mancini's,
Speaker 1: which is where a lot of the AWA wrestlers would
Speaker 1: go back in the day after the matches at Saint Paul,
Speaker 1: who had a ton of recollections going all the way
Speaker 1: back to the seventies of how Vern and Wally Carbo
Speaker 1: were in the territory, all the guys that came through,
Speaker 1: Hulk showing up, and how the way he would deal
Speaker 1: with the public at the Steakhouse differed from the way
Speaker 1: someone like an Andre the Giant would deal with them.
Speaker 1: It's stuff we're pretty proud of and we're only able
Speaker 1: to do because of your support. Plus the Mall of
Speaker 1: America show, and if you would like to hear audio
Speaker 1: of our live show at the Mall of America, including
Speaker 1: not only the conversation with Wade Keller, but three great
Speaker 1: former Mall of America executives who were at the Mall
Speaker 1: when WCW was putting together the first Nitro in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five and getting Postumania organized and all of that.
Speaker 1: They joined us as part of a panel discussion. It
Speaker 1: was wonderful to get their memories, which were really cool
Speaker 1: about dealing with these wacky wrestlers to set up that
Speaker 1: one of a kind event at Mall of America. One
Speaker 1: of them even served in kind of the transition phase
Speaker 1: of Jesse Ventorre's run as governor in Minnesota in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight and had some great stories about let's just
Speaker 1: say how differently it felt when a wrestler got into
Speaker 1: the governor's office. So the Mall of America show, the
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Speaker 1: fan at the Ball of America side of the first Nitro,
Speaker 1: of course, we welcomed in Wade Keller from the Pro
Speaker 1: Wrestling Torch was in Twin Cities, guy who had wonderful
Speaker 1: recollections of covering the opening of the mall the first
Speaker 1: Nitro in nineteen ninety five, as well as the opening
Speaker 1: of Hulk Coogan's famed and failed Pastamania concept in the
Speaker 1: food court of the mall. And then we trek down
Speaker 1: to the rotunda that you've all seen on the first
Speaker 1: episode of Nitro in ninety five, and we're able to
Speaker 1: surprise our fans with an appearance by Alex Luger, who,
Speaker 1: as best as he could, recollected his walking out as
Speaker 1: the big unforgettable surprise on that first episode of Nitro.
Speaker 1: It's it's a weekend we won't soon forget and want
Speaker 1: to thank everybody for it, and wanted to put this
Speaker 1: message into this episode because a lot of the things
Speaker 1: that we were able to do, and again a lot
Speaker 1: of this was recorded before we hit the ground. But
Speaker 1: we'll be back soon with you looking back on that
Speaker 1: experience and continuing our march through the Complete hul Cogan.
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Speaker 1: Continue to rampage through the year nineteen eighty one on
Speaker 1: the Complete Hulk Cogan as the a way is firmly
Speaker 1: now Hogan Country Boss. It's Hogan Land.
Speaker 4: Ah, yes it is, yes, uh name I think of
Speaker 4: the name Hogan Soda.
Speaker 1: Hogan is that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Is that what they ended up doing with real American beer?
Speaker 1: That's one thing. I don't think he ever did a
Speaker 1: Hogan soda. That's true. That's true. I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I don't think he'd need a Hulka Pop or anything
Speaker 4: like the right.
Speaker 1: But the Twin Peak Cities for sure, as he's now
Speaker 1: firmly established as a baby face, he's cupping the ear,
Speaker 1: he's slamming fat guys, he's taking on Jesse Ventura, he's
Speaker 1: using his powers for good. It's a whole new page
Speaker 1: for Hulk Hogan and there really is no turning back.
Speaker 1: But there's also the Japan side of the coin, isn't there? Yeap, Yes,
Speaker 1: there is. There always is, because we first started to
Speaker 1: detect there's always there's always the yen the end of
Speaker 1: the yang. Is that what you meant? Yes?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: And we detected a lot of that first signs of
Speaker 1: experimenting with baby face stuff there in Japan, where for
Speaker 1: some reason they just took to him as this charismatic
Speaker 1: blonde guy jin massive muscles who came around frequently enough
Speaker 1: that they could kind of get a sense that this
Speaker 1: guy really likes Japan. But the Kanji spelling of his
Speaker 1: name on his black trunks and everything, and teaming up
Speaker 1: with a legend to those people like Stan Hansen. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of an awkward deal because vern Gangha, forever
Speaker 1: and ever, dating back to when he was active as
Speaker 1: a wrestler, was aligned with Giant Baba and the All
Speaker 1: Japan Pro Wrestling Office, mortal enemies of Antonio and Oki
Speaker 1: and New Japan Pro Wrestling right but by now Hulkgan
Speaker 1: is firmly established as a mainstay foreign superstar in New Japan,
Speaker 1: having just wrestled as we talked about last time and
Speaker 1: Tonio and Oki one more time in a rather even
Speaker 1: keeled bout with Hogan showing a ton of babyface fire
Speaker 1: and a sign of what was to come. So there
Speaker 1: is that promotional war in the Land of the Rising
Speaker 1: Sun that Hulkegan advertently or inadvertly kind of is going
Speaker 1: to find himself in the middle of. As nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one starts to draw to a close and summer becomes
Speaker 1: fall and It's going to play out in a way
Speaker 1: that positions Hulk Hogan as big as he feels in
Speaker 1: the AWA at this point, boss as big as he
Speaker 1: felt in Chase Stadium position Hulk Hogan be that much
Speaker 1: bigger of a star when you consider where he stands John,
Speaker 1: because there's going to be talent raids, there's going to
Speaker 1: be subterfuge, and the Hulkster is really going to have
Speaker 1: a decision to make here in nineteen eighty one, at
Speaker 1: a time when everything seems to be changing. Japan is
Speaker 1: going to force him to make a decision. And it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind that driving.
Speaker 4: Bromer need Bean Bean Bean ne ween ween.
Speaker 1: Hands in the Giant and the Butcher too, Yes, very
Speaker 1: much a trinity of top flight opponents for whole Cocin
Speaker 1: and Japan ones that helped make him in so many ways.
Speaker 1: And you wonder how the Butcher is the Butcher not
Speaker 1: in all Japan. Well, things are about to change on
Speaker 1: that front as well. We are going to turn to
Speaker 1: is the Butcher even created yet? Oh God, happened till
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four? Butcher Butcher d Boulder and a w A.
Speaker 6: You mean.
Speaker 1: It certainly butchered his name in the press, the dizzy
Speaker 1: Butcher at Boulder. Yeah, what's the worst quality a butcher
Speaker 1: could have? Dizziness exactly. It's like the dizzy proctologist, dizzy
Speaker 1: dizzy ed butcher beefcake. So this is going to be momentous.
Speaker 1: And the hul Cog and Stan Hanson duo that's done
Speaker 1: so much to establish the hulkstors of bona fide superstar
Speaker 1: in Japan is about to split, and it's going to
Speaker 1: have everything to do with the shifting sands of Japanese wrestling,
Speaker 1: which always seems to be about a decade ahead of
Speaker 1: the United States in terms of the way politics develop,
Speaker 1: the way alliances form, YEP, the way the entering style evolves,
Speaker 1: and everybody talks about precursors to the nWo happening in
Speaker 1: New Japan. Who you know, an Oki loved him an
Speaker 1: invading force man. He loved nothing more than an angle
Speaker 1: where a bunch of wrestlers still held allegiance to another
Speaker 1: company than New Japan and wrestled in New Japan, be at.
Speaker 4: The UWF, be at the IWE.
Speaker 1: And all the different factions, the shooting factions that sprouted
Speaker 1: up and we're going to get a taste of that actually,
Speaker 1: because Hogan and Hansen and what will be the final
Speaker 1: match in which they serve as a team that we
Speaker 1: will look at here shortly on the complete Hulkgan takes
Speaker 1: on two guys who are associated with a rival group
Speaker 1: called the IWE that had kind of faltered. It had
Speaker 1: been around forever to where Andre got to start in Japan,
Speaker 1: but once it faltered, they still kept the three letters alive.
Speaker 1: Imagine that. Imagine if you could keep you no, I
Speaker 1: don't know, WCW alive and make people care I know,
Speaker 1: and you will care about the wrestlers who wear the badge.
Speaker 1: Japan always knew how to do it, and that will
Speaker 1: be another cross current in the position Hulkgan finds himself in.
Speaker 1: But if we're going to do this, you know, we
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Speaker 1: many members of the Solar system that can certainly attest
Speaker 1: to that. But we're all business on this leg because
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one is just popping in so many ways.
Speaker 1: He's in Japan, he's in LA he's in WWF, he's
Speaker 1: in Awa, he's in Florida, he's in Memphis. He just
Speaker 1: can't stop, he can't stop not letting us feel comfortable, right,
Speaker 1: not letting us put down stakes in a particular area
Speaker 1: for too long. As long as it might seem, I
Speaker 1: still am surprised when we're already at a point when
Speaker 1: he's leaving a territory. It's like, really, that's that's all
Speaker 1: he did, And it's not nothing, but it's it doesn't
Speaker 1: match the memory of or at least the impression you
Speaker 1: have understanding the broad strokes of his career and feeling
Speaker 1: like he spent I don't know, five six years in
Speaker 1: a given territory. It's like maybe a year and a half,
Speaker 1: is it, really? Yeah, I mean pretty much long November
Speaker 1: seventy nine to Yeah, I guess so A eighty one.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a little more than that, but that's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. The ABA in full swing in the
Speaker 1: New Japan situation about to be put to the test.
Speaker 1: He returns after where we left you last time, the
Speaker 1: Body Slam Challenge match with Jerry Blackwell in Minneapolis to
Speaker 1: New Japan in October of nineteen and eighty one. October
Speaker 1: eighth to be exact as New Japan ran yet another
Speaker 1: MSG series with foreign wrestlers. Is Actually it's towards the
Speaker 1: Tokon series, built more around New Japan versus the aforementioned
Speaker 1: IWE group in October. Starting on October eighth, Stan Hanson
Speaker 1: and Hulkog team again against the dynamic duo of Dino
Speaker 1: Bravo and Ricki Choshu Boss. I know you've wanted to
Speaker 1: see those two team up for a very long time.
Speaker 4: It's it's a dream. It's a dream combination if I've
Speaker 4: ever had one, and I can't tell you, I can't
Speaker 4: tell you how tickled pink I am that it actually
Speaker 4: fucking occurred in Japan.
Speaker 1: October ninth, nineteen eighty one at Correkuwen Hall, Hogan defeats
Speaker 1: Saijisaka Guchi by counting out. October tenth, he defeats strong
Speaker 1: Kobyashi in Yokohama October eleventh, and a non Tokashima Anoki,
Speaker 1: Kantaro Hoshino and Strong Kobyashi take on the team of
Speaker 1: Hulk Kogan, Dick Murdock and Steve Travis that ends without
Speaker 1: a winner as a double count out. October twelfth, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one. In Kochi, Hogan defeats Strong Kobyashi again his
Speaker 1: very first televised opponent in New Japan. Here on the
Speaker 1: rematch October thirteenth, and Kurde Hyoshima Anoki Choshu in Fujinami
Speaker 1: defeat Billy Krusher, Hulkogan and Steve Travis in a six
Speaker 1: man tag October fourteenth, nineteen eighty one, and Kumamoto has
Speaker 1: Anoki Choshi in Kobyashi defeating Dino Bravo, Billy Krusher, and Hulkogan.
Speaker 1: October fifteenth, eighty one. In Saseeba Nagasaki Anoki Choshu in
Speaker 1: Fujinami defeat Billy Krusher, Cogan and Tim Taltree. October sixteenth,
Speaker 1: eighty one, Oita Hogan and Dick Murdoch the fifth the
Speaker 1: team of Yoshiaki, Fujiwara and Strong Kobayashi. So that's the
Speaker 1: tour that he's making his way back to Japan for
Speaker 1: and again, these frequent visits are winning him a spot
Speaker 1: in the hearts and the minds of the Japanese fans,
Speaker 1: and perhaps we'll hear that come through as we take
Speaker 1: a look at some tape here on this installment of
Speaker 1: the Complete it's October ninth, nineteen eighty one, New Japan
Speaker 1: Pro Wrestling, Tokyo. It's New Japan versus iwe Hulk Hogan
Speaker 1: and Stan Hansen for what will be the last time,
Speaker 1: And I think, wow, so last time on tape that
Speaker 1: we have with these two wrestle as a tag team.
Speaker 1: As we go through November, I think we're going to
Speaker 1: note another instance where they team together. Maybe we'll be
Speaker 1: able to declear the final one, but it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a lot. Before we click play. I just like
Speaker 1: your thoughts and impressions having come into the Complete Hulkgan
Speaker 1: presumably cold about the Stan Hanson Hulkogan history. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: what have you made of what you've seen? Well?
Speaker 4: Given that, I mean, excuse me, what to me? First
Speaker 4: of all, I certainly have loved the the two of
Speaker 4: them together. The two of them together was never something
Speaker 4: that I was aware of it was. It was probably
Speaker 4: the firstest thing from my mind, to be quite honest.
Speaker 4: But given how they would wrestle each other in matches
Speaker 4: in Japan later on and be featured on WWEE shows
Speaker 4: you know in Japan, and on fucking Hulk Mania tapes
Speaker 4: from Japan, you know, like you know that that stand.
Speaker 4: I'm it adds so much more flavor and history and
Speaker 4: story to the relationship and really adds an interesting dynamic
Speaker 4: to them going from being a team to competing each
Speaker 4: other in actually, in many ways, I guess you could say,
Speaker 4: I don't know if we're gonna see a if we're
Speaker 4: going to see a turn here in this match, but hell,
Speaker 4: it follows the typical Hulk Hogan storyline if they do,
Speaker 4: if you turned on each other, or at least in
Speaker 4: the same regard, you have a Hogan friend becoming a
Speaker 4: Hogan enemy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't quite go down that way, but I
Speaker 1: think it might have. I mean, we see them building
Speaker 1: it in New York in early nineteen year and one
Speaker 1: with Fred Lassey's siding with Stan Hansen, and you know,
Speaker 1: the magazines and some of the interviews intimating that Hulk
Speaker 1: Cogan doesn't necessarily appreciate that, and again indications that if
Speaker 1: he'd stayed in New York a little longer, they may
Speaker 1: have turned him face there, might not know how to
Speaker 1: go to Urn to go through this whole reaturation, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's interesting. So you knew about the
Speaker 1: Hogan Hanson match. I don't remember. We talked about it
Speaker 1: years ago on the show. You remember the Hogan Hansen
Speaker 1: match from Japan being on the Whole Comanitia VHS tape.
Speaker 4: It was on hulk Comania six. No, no, either Hukemania
Speaker 4: six and Holmania Forever. But it's the show from the
Speaker 4: uh you know, the the Egg Dome, the Summit, the
Speaker 4: Summit Show. Yes, yeah, it's that match, that main event,
Speaker 4: and it's I honestly that's that when we did the
Speaker 4: when we did the Paying Off the Pacific and we
Speaker 4: did that show, that was I believe it that the
Speaker 4: version that I put on our compilation of that of
Speaker 4: that event is from the Whole Comania whichever whole Comedic
Speaker 4: cassette that was from.
Speaker 1: And so your point is, yeah, you see that and
Speaker 1: it's like, Wow, he wrestled Hanson in Japan, not realizing
Speaker 1: how much more that would have meant to the Japanese
Speaker 1: wrestling fans who had a memory.
Speaker 4: I thought it was simply the greatest match I've ever
Speaker 4: seen Hulk Cogan wrestle in my life. At that point,
Speaker 4: I didn't realize there was history leading up to it.
Speaker 4: They go pretty hard, what's so great about it? I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just it's Hogan on a different level. It's it's
Speaker 4: it's really early eighties Hogan, the aggressiveness of early eighties
Speaker 4: Hogan in against an even harder opponent, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: as as as early nineties. Ww. You know, fans really
Speaker 4: getting started in that era. We definitely did not see
Speaker 4: the aggressive that, the the kicking ass Hull Cogan. That
Speaker 4: was far far removed from our from us beginning our fandom.
Speaker 4: So to see that happening even then, to know that
Speaker 4: that happened in nineteen ninety is insane. Yeah, it is insane.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't scheduled.
Speaker 1: It was to be Hogan and Terry Gordy, but Terry
Speaker 1: Gory balked at the last minute about doing the job,
Speaker 1: so Stan Hansen was basically imported back into New Japan
Speaker 1: for one night only, which we're about to find out
Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily leave with the most graceful terms last time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to go from New Japan to All Japan. So that
Speaker 1: was even more significant about it is that you know,
Speaker 1: Stan really came up off the bench because it was
Speaker 1: his old tag team partner Hulk Cogan, who by that
Speaker 1: point of course was the biggest star in the wrestling world.
Speaker 1: But I don't think if it was Hull Cogan, Stan
Speaker 1: Hanson steps in the ring that night to save the
Speaker 1: main event, so to speak. So it really is poetic,
Speaker 1: and who knows when we get there, but when we do,
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing that one again, because I think
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right about the standout qualities of that match
Speaker 1: a Hulk Hogan's body of work. But let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: light a candle October nine eighty one Hogan and Hansen,
Speaker 1: Bravo and Ricky Shoshou And I should say when I
Speaker 1: kinda waxed poetic about the significance of Hulk Hogan pinning
Speaker 1: Ricky Choshue one two three in a fan cam match,
Speaker 1: we saw the footage last time we covered the Japan
Speaker 1: leg of nineteen eighty one on the complete back in
Speaker 1: the spring, I kind of was lacking the context that
Speaker 1: Ricky Choshue hadn't really established himself yet in New Japan
Speaker 1: as the Ricky Choshu. As sure, he hadn't gone and
Speaker 1: done the angle where he rebels against an Noki. He
Speaker 1: didn't have the pencil, he didn't have a ton of
Speaker 1: classic matches under his belt. He was pretty much just
Speaker 1: like an upstart, still establishing himself. So in retrospect it's
Speaker 1: huge that Hogan Pinchoshu, But at the moment in time
Speaker 1: in early nineteen eighty one, sure not necessarily some kind
Speaker 1: of coronation, but definitely a big win. So here we
Speaker 1: go three two one play. Oh, it's gonna introduce him.
Speaker 1: Get some walk out news. Yeah, recognize this. I don't
Speaker 1: know this.
Speaker 3: Toom boom, I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, you know, looking like Mark.
Speaker 1: Got diffin vis the man him his hair, neat stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh there's the pop wow for the opposition. Listen in
Speaker 1: here me got one more time eat from manson cowboy
Speaker 1: hat hold goody strong hunting So you know I didn't
Speaker 1: hold them enough getting my whole goldber again? Please, how
Speaker 1: do we have better fun on?
Speaker 6: Someone?
Speaker 1: Can the cow boy hat off?
Speaker 7: Swinging at the fans?
Speaker 1: Think the big Americans walk out into the spotlight the
Speaker 1: US and as go up. Yeah, there is no.
Speaker 4: There is there is no face actions done by fucking
Speaker 4: Stan Hansen.
Speaker 1: He is just killing true buddy. Oh yeah, he's just
Speaker 1: looking at his opponent, scaring a whole for him. He
Speaker 1: barely looks at the people. But they love it. They
Speaker 1: like being abused. That's the story of a wrestling fan
Speaker 1: right there. That that fucking pop Paul Hogan, Old and
Speaker 1: John spreading the cape wide. He found the fucking people. Yes,
Speaker 1: huge reception for Stan Hansen. He's so hilarious to me,
Speaker 1: like American risk certain ones, Yes for we say it
Speaker 1: or told us. If they get the sense that you're
Speaker 1: going to come over a lot and they won't just
Speaker 1: three once a year, and that you actually like in
Speaker 1: your spect Japan and yeah, try to understand its ways.
Speaker 1: They will absolutely support me to the end. Seeing pathway
Speaker 1: that a you know, a well of spring a Keny
Speaker 1: and Lago fall. Right, It's like I've learned the language.
Speaker 1: Try to move there in the world. Came about as
Speaker 1: close as you could to moving there in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one and nineteen eighty two was We're about to discover
Speaker 1: and the money was just showing a pub who all
Speaker 1: dirty massa and Hogan.
Speaker 7: Was all about that, and we have the girlfriend, you
Speaker 7: know whatever heamever he wants that little smirk from the
Speaker 7: apron from Stan Hansen as he slaps old Terry Bolet.
Speaker 1: And sends him into battle. It's what you chose, you
Speaker 1: dell sounds, runaway, Chosho and Hogan circle that ocean blue matt.
Speaker 1: You know it's Japan and elbow Hogan shows just showshot
Speaker 1: to the.
Speaker 8: Corners, put me up pumping.
Speaker 1: Ocean blue matt with the white trim, and that's Japan.
Speaker 1: Oken snatches an arm, goes to work, standing in key.
Speaker 8: Locking the bout to the gay and you eat you
Speaker 8: on sound, and.
Speaker 1: Then a lot of terrible.
Speaker 6: Much fighting.
Speaker 1: Logan has chosh you in an arm bar hands just
Speaker 1: slips in the ring and he kicks chosh you in
Speaker 1: the face. You let drop across the arm by the
Speaker 1: whole stir here, Frank Ruski now says, trying to communication
Speaker 1: between Hogan, Enhance and here comes the Lariat.
Speaker 5: The guys.
Speaker 1: Both looking like they're forty five.
Speaker 4: By the way, it's.
Speaker 1: Another thing to the Japanese fan. I still care if
Speaker 1: you look old, you know, I know they're probably one
Speaker 1: of their both like twenty nine twenty more years of youth.
Speaker 1: As at the Japanese Wrestling Stard's a dropping chosh with
Speaker 1: back guelbel choshie and opting to tag out. Do you
Speaker 1: know Bravo needle.
Speaker 8: Now, guys, do you know on his knee.
Speaker 1: He who need the ropes fans goes for a wild
Speaker 1: chop Bravo ducks and puts the dukes up fighting temba
Speaker 1: kwalm and I know Bravo here, red trunks, black hair,
Speaker 1: just I don't know, looking like someone that would pay
Speaker 1: you a visit, and a transnd looking for cigarettes. Oh
Speaker 1: for sure, leather jacket. M. That's the same outfit.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's pretty much the same look he had
Speaker 4: when he faced Brett Hart and ninety two.
Speaker 1: Interesting the last time. That's a good, that's a good. Red,
Speaker 1: red tights, dark hair again and pushes off to break
Speaker 1: the Headlock's Bravo flooring the big Texan with a shoulder
Speaker 1: tackle over the top and from the other end at
Speaker 1: the back elbow of hands and shots. Bravo for sure.
Speaker 1: Only Bravo bumps like that. It's like he has randing Bravo.
Speaker 4: The way the way he bumps he like he doesn't
Speaker 4: get the full the full ninety degree rotation to flat
Speaker 4: fat like he kind of like he kind of like
Speaker 4: jumps and flicks to his ass.
Speaker 1: He does right. Hogan back in legal slams, Bravo takes
Speaker 1: off light drop on the money, light drop scores. Hogan
Speaker 1: covers one shades of the build up to Summerson nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Here at the vibe, you are getting.
Speaker 4: Bravo and Hogan for sure, Earthquakes best buddy Choshue.
Speaker 1: Making the save. However, Bravo reversus the whip sends Hogan
Speaker 1: in the corner laying into one of se him hard
Speaker 1: knife FETs chops.
Speaker 4: Rickens Chosho just we get the name right.
Speaker 1: Oh, Dravo a big atomic drop on lka. Ogan goes down,
Speaker 1: clutching his ass, body slamed by Bravo to Hogan. Hanson
Speaker 1: just lumbers up behind him and steads hauling off. You
Speaker 1: can see where the move set comes from for the
Speaker 1: Big Texan in the N sixty four games, can't you. Yes,
Speaker 1: Everything that Stan Hansen does is hold a B down,
Speaker 1: hold b or hold a B down together. That's it.
Speaker 1: One of those two organ using that opening to take
Speaker 1: back over on Bravo, shooting him off the ropes, hitting
Speaker 1: into that big high moon. Now Hogan and Hanson double
Speaker 1: team and Bravo sets send him off double arriat Hanton.
Speaker 1: Now legal covers Bravo, but Shoshoe there to break it up.
Speaker 1: Hanson backs him up. Sho, you's so undersized. Yes, basically
Speaker 1: his head is at the navel of Hansen his hands
Speaker 1: and corners him and starts beating his ass. Hogan gets
Speaker 1: a cheap shot in behind the referees back is Hanson
Speaker 1: applies the nerve hole now to a seated Dono. Bravo.
Speaker 7: Yes, Stan Hansen and Hulk Hlven, what a chapter in
Speaker 7: the complete.
Speaker 1: I think he helped help clot Can find his bad ass.
Speaker 1: I think he really did. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And
Speaker 1: then there with the doubt of the style of Stan
Speaker 1: Hansen gives you license to see how far you can go,
Speaker 1: even though you know you're not actually a fighter, you know,
Speaker 1: convincing the people you might be kind. Although the Bravo
Speaker 1: gets free, you almost knocks Handsome over again with the
Speaker 1: shoulder block. But it's the hip toss. Yeah, and Stan Hansen,
Speaker 1: it says Bravo, retreating to the corner, I look at
Speaker 1: this RICKI chosh is legal. Look at Hanson, but his
Speaker 1: eyes wide, arms wide, like he's on the offensive line
Speaker 1: at West Texas State. A tentative Chosh. You're looking for
Speaker 1: a way in here. On Stan Hansen comes for the
Speaker 1: single shut down by the front headlock of Hanson as
Speaker 1: they hit the corner, Josh slapping a bitch. Hanson just
Speaker 1: looks at him. Just kicked on.
Speaker 4: I mean listen, because he's like, oh, shoot, you just
Speaker 4: been canching coldies beef.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker. Yes, does off with his bolo forearms Hans and
Speaker 1: sets him off the ropes, shows you holds on, I've
Speaker 1: crossed up big time.
Speaker 4: Now wow, oh we got a fucking body claw here.
Speaker 1: You're doing the iron claw. Yeah, the the rib version
Speaker 1: makes sense for the Texan absolutely the beef.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, I believe that, uh that Stan
Speaker 4: Hands's iron claw is braised when he does the rib claw.
Speaker 1: Altra legal now throwing big right hands. Those punches are
Speaker 1: dialed in now. The punches look good. Poking hits the ropes,
Speaker 1: running elbow at the top of cho Sho's head. He's
Speaker 1: modified the axe bomber a little bit. He's hitting him
Speaker 1: with the elbowed out, so the crooked of the arm
Speaker 1: big verte. The suplex by Hulk Hogan. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, boss, but hull kit and vertical suplex in
Speaker 1: Japan will never get old. No I thought it does
Speaker 1: not back up under the ribsh whip back, Carol over
Speaker 1: the chest, puts down Shoshoe. Hogan tries to drop the elbow,
Speaker 1: but Shoshoe avoids it and tags him Dino. Bravo again,
Speaker 1: shades of nineteen ninety Summer Slam. Not a Summer and
Speaker 1: Slam proper, but the build up. I mean, yes, I
Speaker 1: guess Bravo was there, and he was there. He was
Speaker 1: his uh he was Wow, holy shit, he dropped kick
Speaker 1: Hanson right off his feet. Then Bravo lighting. It's going
Speaker 1: off like a bona fide baby face taking on both
Speaker 1: Hogan and Hansom. Look at the corner, but Hogan gets
Speaker 1: the knee up on a charging Bravo combination of laughter
Speaker 1: and cheering from the crowd on that one. As Dino
Speaker 1: ran head first, Hogan drops the elbow and gets two.
Speaker 1: What such a fast paced Hogan is cuping. It's all action, yes,
Speaker 1: any resting, And that's the thing about these these Japan matches. Specifically,
Speaker 1: it's non stop holding his non stock in Japane Hanson
Speaker 1: with a drop kick, un shooting Bravo off the rope
Speaker 1: that was going to happen and leaving his feet. Have
Speaker 1: we seen him leave his feet before? I have not
Speaker 1: seen him do a drop kick. I don't think ever.
Speaker 1: Huge knee drop crushes Bravo only good for two Stan
Speaker 1: Hansen keeping the pressure on crowd, respectful of Bravo's heart
Speaker 1: as he shut off the ropes, drop down, Bravo kicks,
Speaker 1: hands him down and tags Joe shoots with the double team.
Speaker 1: Bravo scooping a slam, puts down Hanson show shoes thinking
Speaker 1: about coming off the top and Hansen was in position,
Speaker 1: so he just dropped down to his feet on the
Speaker 1: map Irish wet back drop, goes Hansome. That's a big
Speaker 1: boy taking that back body drop. Yes, the corner chow.
Speaker 1: She's trying to monkey flip and Hanson holds onto the
Speaker 1: ropes and they love it, yepy love How nonchalantly Hanson
Speaker 1: shut that down. It's like, uh, It's like Samoa and
Speaker 1: Joe when he walked as when he walks away from
Speaker 1: somebody going off the top rope exactly what there is
Speaker 1: the greatest fucking thing ever by standing hands and plants
Speaker 1: Ricky Choshi. That was a handsome plucks with that way.
Speaker 1: Like Japan, they slam you and they pick you back
Speaker 1: up and do it again. It's right. What areot with
Speaker 1: the warmed up elbow pad cover two three and it's over. Wow,
Speaker 1: Handsom gets the pin Hoven and hands and raise hands
Speaker 1: together the Texas Howl take it in it lot for
Speaker 1: the Hokster. Well, I probably didn't know that it was
Speaker 1: pretty much over here in October ninth, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: It certainly played out in a fitting way as they
Speaker 1: exit through the people slapping each other on their sweaty backs.
Speaker 6: Here in New.
Speaker 8: Japan, starting wisdom must when you.
Speaker 9: Talk at.
Speaker 1: Ravo, raising Chosho's hand gets a rout of applause. Chow
Speaker 1: Shoe continues to develop as a young up and comer
Speaker 1: and do Japan and that'll do it there. I believe
Speaker 1: the theme that Hogan enhancement came to the Ring to
Speaker 1: You couldn't quite hear it as we kind of reacted,
Speaker 1: but it's the theme from Battlestar Galactica. Yeah, and Maynard Ferguson.
Speaker 1: I believe it was, and I don't know if fans
Speaker 1: of the time thought that was signature. I mean, entrance
Speaker 1: music isn't really settled in the States yet. You know
Speaker 1: every show we've seen, right, they just come out, right,
Speaker 1: they just walked to the ring, and that's that certain
Speaker 1: Hulk Cogan wasn't coming to the ring to entrance music yet.
Speaker 1: He would eventually come down to the the Rocky theme,
Speaker 1: of course, after Rocky three premieres in May of nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two. But we're not there yet, no, But in
Speaker 1: the country of Japan, Hulk is getting a taste of
Speaker 1: how much entrance music can add to the presentation, to
Speaker 1: say nothing of merchandising and all of the kind of
Speaker 1: myth making that the Japanese were so good at in
Speaker 1: terms of building up a wrestler. We've been conveying to
Speaker 1: you whenever we hit Japan on the Complete Hull Cogan.
Speaker 1: The incredible translations were getting from Andrew who's pulling weekly
Speaker 1: pro wrestling out there in the archives and discovering all
Speaker 1: of these wild things that the Japanese wrestling fans were
Speaker 1: privy to about the comings and goings of wrestlers like
Speaker 1: Hulkogan at the time that certainly stateside English speaking fans
Speaker 1: had no access to. But now we are able to
Speaker 1: put ourselves very much in the shoes of what the
Speaker 1: informed Japanese wrestling fan knew at the time that the
Speaker 1: kind of matches we just watched were going on. This
Speaker 1: from the July nineteen eighty one issue, which has a
Speaker 1: profile on hul Cogan and a ton of photos from
Speaker 1: across the tour that we were talking about, Andrew notes
Speaker 1: that they love using Hulk Hogan's window were ted to
Speaker 1: Biyassi and Madison Square Garden to hype him up, And
Speaker 1: we did see that depictographically, didn't we remember that I did, Yes,
Speaker 1: we did. That's insane. Can't read Japanese, but we certainly
Speaker 1: could understand what that illustration was getting across that it
Speaker 1: was Hulk Hogan on the rise in the United States
Speaker 1: and beating some on the caliber of Teddy Biassi and
Speaker 1: the Hallowed Halls made a big difference. Apparently. Andrew Writ's
Speaker 1: part of the Hogan Lord at the time was that
Speaker 1: he went to USC and did powerlifting. Yeah, we've talked
Speaker 1: about that Hulk Hogan two hundred one centime. There's t
Speaker 1: under forty five kilograms. It reads born nineteen fifty five
Speaker 1: in Venice Beach, California, putting him at twenty five. It
Speaker 1: says here in the summer of nineteen and eighty one,
Speaker 1: at this point he had made, according to the magazine,
Speaker 1: five visits to Japan. Is said to remove the Hey,
Speaker 1: he's twenty five, that's what it says. Oh, was he
Speaker 1: born fifty six? I thought he was born I don't
Speaker 1: think he was born fifty five. I think they have
Speaker 1: that wrong in here. Well, if he's born fifty six,
Speaker 1: he is twenty and fifty seven. Was he I think
Speaker 1: fifty six? Fifty three? Sorry, I don't know fifty three.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, we're both. I don't know where the hell
Speaker 1: I got fifty seven from.
Speaker 4: So he's almost but still he's still still. Okay, here's
Speaker 4: the important thing. Take a look at him, and then
Speaker 4: he's not Yeah, at thirty and he looks forty five.
Speaker 1: Looks forty five. Yeah, he just yeah. I mean, there
Speaker 1: weren't the modern hair growth supplements. There weren't I mean
Speaker 1: much to know we have counteracting the baldness effects of
Speaker 1: steroid use.
Speaker 4: I mean incident at this point's only he's only thirty
Speaker 4: thirty two's thirty two.
Speaker 1: He looks looks fifty. Yeah, he looks like a guy
Speaker 1: who's wondering if he should close the restaurant because his
Speaker 1: kids don't want to take it over. That's how old
Speaker 1: he looks.
Speaker 4: I know, he looks two steps away from retirement, right,
Speaker 4: and he's thirty two years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absurd, but he does have a full head
Speaker 1: of hair compared to Hulkogan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this point, he still looks older. His hair, his
Speaker 4: hair looks worse.
Speaker 1: So that profile there we had read on a previous
Speaker 1: edition of the Complete but it's in July and they
Speaker 1: kind of break down, you know, how he has unmatched
Speaker 1: strength and how he even surpasses that of Superstar Graham,
Speaker 1: which was so funny because in the States they're publishing
Speaker 1: an article about how he can't escape Superstar grab Shadow
Speaker 1: right exactly. Andrew tells us there's nothing in the August issue,
Speaker 1: but it's September nine eighty one. There were photos of
Speaker 1: Hulk versus Jerry Lawler from Florida, so they carried coverage
Speaker 1: after he's done with WWFM, before he goes to a
Speaker 1: wa The captions on the article and the coverage of
Speaker 1: the match. Read and you'll find photos of Hogan and
Speaker 1: white trunks wrestling Jerry Lawler in a red singlett Hulk
Speaker 1: with black kneepads from this match in Saint Petersburg, Florida,
Speaker 1: their rematch, which was not on film. But those pictures
Speaker 1: that you see were taken by the Japanese press, which
Speaker 1: was dispatched over there to cover what Hulk was up to,
Speaker 1: because he was a big enough name in Japan by
Speaker 1: this point that they would deploy resources to go cover
Speaker 1: him in the United States. So a lot of the
Speaker 1: photos we have for these early days of the Holkster
Speaker 1: in the early eighties are because of the Japanese press.
Speaker 1: Of course, Fumusaido was the reason we have those pictures
Speaker 1: of Hulk at the condo that he bought in Minneapol,
Speaker 1: standing around with Linda, eating noodles and wearing shorts, making
Speaker 1: faces using chopsticks yep captions. On this article about Hogan
Speaker 1: Lawler read Hogan pushes the King of the South. He
Speaker 1: puts the fighter in a headlock. Lawler, who was settled
Speaker 1: in Florida recently, is a speedy and powerful fighter. He
Speaker 1: had a tough time against Hogan Cogan arrived in Florida
Speaker 1: and faced off against Jerry Lawler, the Southern Champion who
Speaker 1: was rumored to be coming to Japan, at the Bayfront
Speaker 1: Center on July eighteenth. The match, as benefit as befits
Speaker 1: a showdown between two power fighters, featured no small feats
Speaker 1: and was all about brute force. Hogan repeatedly pushed the
Speaker 1: Lawler with a bear hug and a sleeper hole and
Speaker 1: ran to the seal post outside the ring in an
Speaker 1: attempt to knock him out. However, Lawler twisted his body
Speaker 1: just before the collision, causing both men to crash into
Speaker 1: the post. Both men were immediately thrown out of the ring.
Speaker 1: I believe what they mean, as both men were the
Speaker 1: match was immediately thrown out. So if you're wondering kind
Speaker 1: of like a blow by blow of that Hogan lawa rematch,
Speaker 1: which again was not on tape, that's the best we're
Speaker 1: probably going to do. They hit the floor and they
Speaker 1: Hogan starting to drive Lawler into the post. Lawler moves
Speaker 1: to the last second and both men crashed into the post,
Speaker 1: and so it's basically a double count out. October nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, Andrew Rebarts has a very interesting note from
Speaker 1: Hiro Matsuda about Hogan jumping to All Japan, which did
Speaker 1: not happen. No, the timeline Andrew writes works out as
Speaker 1: he was in Florida. I have also included a long
Speaker 1: form article but Vince Senior in the State of the WWF,
Speaker 1: which provides some context to his troubles. So much like
Speaker 1: you know, Grilla Monsoon would write the newspaper column in
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia newspaper, Killer Kowalski would write the column in
Speaker 1: the Boston newspaper. You know, their WWF magazine would have
Speaker 1: guest commentary columns from the wrestlers and the old veterans.
Speaker 1: Hiro Matsuda had a column like that in Weekly Pro
Speaker 1: Hogan's former trainer, and he comments thusly. In October nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, the month of the match, we just watched
Speaker 1: AWWA champion Nick Bockwinkle's energetic defense and Hogan's popular Larry
Speaker 1: and the AWA are also high. I heard from Dorri
Speaker 1: Funk Junior that on August fifteenth in San Antonio, Texas
Speaker 1: a Way World Heavyweight Champion Nick Bockmingle defended a title
Speaker 1: against Mill Mascaris and was disqualified over the for and
Speaker 1: over the top rope throw. However, the title was defended
Speaker 1: under title match rules. Nick then faced Pat Patterson and
Speaker 1: a title match in August twentieth in Oakland, California, winning
Speaker 1: by ringout. Nick also had a title match against Patterson
Speaker 1: in Oakland on July thirtieth, where he lost by disqualification,
Speaker 1: and this was a rematch. So yeah, that's how the
Speaker 1: fans are learning about what Nick Bockwinkel's doing. The results
Speaker 1: are reported out. Regarding Hogan Matsuda rights, it seems he
Speaker 1: was mentioned in Japan as having switched from New Japan
Speaker 1: Pro Wrestling to All Japan Pro Wrestling. What apparently Dorry,
Speaker 1: the booker for the Florida company, approached him at All
Speaker 1: Japan Pro Wrestling's request when Hogan was on a week
Speaker 1: long tour of Florida. So those matches, boss, we saw
Speaker 1: him do the promo with Gordon solely with the fan.
Speaker 1: He's meeting with Dorry.
Speaker 4: That's wild.
Speaker 1: And you know Dory and Terry were they liaisons to
Speaker 1: get wrestlers like you know, Brody and the rest who
Speaker 1: were super strong.
Speaker 4: I'm I just think we could bring you know, why
Speaker 4: be but well, you know, I'm just thinking, uh, there's
Speaker 4: an awful lot. I think that, I think what we
Speaker 4: could do instead? Why why do you why would you
Speaker 4: want to bother working for new Japan when you could
Speaker 4: work for all of Japan. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just that's just that's just simple logic.
Speaker 4: We're all Japan. We've got the new one there somewhere.
Speaker 4: It's all of Japan, all of Japan encompasses old and
Speaker 4: new and and middle ground Japan. So that's like Tokyo
Speaker 4: and uh.
Speaker 1: Other places in place in Japan. So I think what
Speaker 1: other places brilliantly put.
Speaker 4: Uh uh yeah, yeah, what uh you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I just I want you to just to smell it
Speaker 4: over a little bit, and you know, just just think
Speaker 4: about it, think about it, and and maybe we maybe
Speaker 4: you know, if you don't want to do it, I'm
Speaker 4: certainly not gonna I don't. I don't blame you. I
Speaker 4: don't want to push you. These are your choices, obviously,
Speaker 4: I don't. I just think I'm just trying to think
Speaker 4: about what would be best for you and and and me.
Speaker 1: In the United States of America.
Speaker 4: In the future of the United States of America, right
Speaker 4: in terms of a of a of a of a government.
Speaker 1: Dory Funk Jr. Was nothing if not a caretaker for
Speaker 1: the United States government. If we didn't establish that in
Speaker 1: the lapsed Funk, we established it here.
Speaker 4: I'm just uh, you know, these are these are these
Speaker 4: are things that that that Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Hogan has expanded mat Suda rights, who of course
Speaker 1: is Matsuda is fully ensconced in the Florida territory, basically
Speaker 1: has a piece of the office and that's his home
Speaker 1: home base. So he's cheering for the home team here,
Speaker 1: I think and kind of reporting, uh, with a degree
Speaker 1: of hopefulness that star like Hulkogan might be considering the jump.
Speaker 1: Hogan has expanded into various parts of the country. Hulk Cogan,
Speaker 1: who joined the AWA and Minneapolis from Florida in the
Speaker 1: fourth week of July. Interesting, we have August one, fourth
Speaker 1: week of July also competed. Yeah, yeah, maybe, but there
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more than we know about
Speaker 1: and that's been recorded as far as when he started there.
Speaker 4: Also, maybe maybe he started but didn't jump on television
Speaker 4: until yeah.
Speaker 1: True, maybe he's just reporting when he reported for duty,
Speaker 1: so to speak. Also competed in Oakland, where he defeated
Speaker 1: Frankie Kane and Don Stevens in a handicap match. He
Speaker 1: seems to be very popular. Now we're going to go
Speaker 1: to an article that sets the tone around Vince Senior
Speaker 1: and how he was being covered in Japan at this
Speaker 1: time as Hulk Cogan, you know, begins to establish a
Speaker 1: distance from the promoter that gave him the name Hulk
Speaker 1: Cogan and kind of set him on the course. Also
Speaker 1: had turned it over to you if you can convey
Speaker 1: what the readers of Weekly Pro were learning.
Speaker 4: Just so there we go the sunken West Coast Wrestling, Yeah,
Speaker 4: New York District and Los Angeles District, final episode the
Speaker 4: Wrestling World of America.
Speaker 1: That is basically the column about American wrestling.
Speaker 4: I guess in this final episode of the turbulent American
Speaker 4: Wrestling World, we report on the New York District on
Speaker 4: the East coast. At least it's not the New York
Speaker 4: District on the West coast and the Los Angeles District
Speaker 4: on the West coast, two areas considered anti inn WA.
Speaker 4: These two anti mainstream districts have firmly joined forces New
Speaker 4: Japan Wrestling and New York District. What I can't help
Speaker 4: you there, just keep going. McMahon's troubles lie in the
Speaker 4: history with the w The promoter in charge of the
Speaker 4: New York district is Vince McMahon, head of the Washington
Speaker 4: DC based kick Vittel kick kick What kick vitil kick vital.
Speaker 1: That's just a translation issue.
Speaker 4: We're going to run into the Okay, kick Vital Wrestling Corporation.
Speaker 4: The NWA membership roster list three associates. Robert J. Morella,
Speaker 4: Gorilla Monson of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: It is It's Capital Wrestling Corporation. Okay. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it comes out that way, but that's a kick kickfittle.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the Dutch I don't know, like Knickerbocker or whatever.
Speaker 4: Maybe that could be it. Yes, Robert J. Morella, Guerrilla
Speaker 4: mon Soon, make That Sandwich of New Jersey, Phil Zach
Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania, and Arnold Scholand of New York. Like Man
Speaker 4: left the NWA in nineteen sixty three to found the WWWE,
Speaker 4: which recognized its own World Champion. However, he returned to
Speaker 4: the NWA in nineteen seventy and the title the word
Speaker 4: world was dropped. The organization's name has now changed to
Speaker 4: w w E and the president has has close ties
Speaker 4: with crawlis.
Speaker 1: But while there are good stories on the East.
Speaker 4: Coast, we do we do tell we tell stories, you know,
Speaker 4: that's what we do good.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what they meant. There's good story lines.
Speaker 4: It's hard to say that things are going smoothly among
Speaker 4: the insiders. Well, it's not. We all know what happens
Speaker 4: when the outsiders show up too, right, that's the whole
Speaker 4: different thing of the insiders were Nation and d dfider.
Speaker 1: Back to our w c W greed showing every w
Speaker 1: CW pay per view greed. It's every promoter, isn't it ye?
Speaker 1: Pretty much?
Speaker 4: And the West Coast is in a recession and both
Speaker 4: sides are troubled. Bruno San Martina, when McMahon had selected
Speaker 4: his as this is whom McMahon had selected as his favorites,
Speaker 4: defeated Rogers in just eight seconds in Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 4: ushering in the Sammartino era and ushering in the golden
Speaker 4: age of the WWE. That's hilarious to think that that,
Speaker 4: you know, certainly not what we consider the golden age,
Speaker 4: but it's hilarious that that is the golden age. I know,
Speaker 4: in many ways McMahon's troubles are not unrelated into the
Speaker 4: history of the WWE. McMahon found of the WWWE in
Speaker 4: February nineteen sixty three and certified Buddy Rodgers, who had
Speaker 4: just lost the NWA World Championship in January of the
Speaker 4: same year, as the first world heavyweight champion. However, this was,
Speaker 4: it seems however this was. It seems that McMahon, who
Speaker 4: had his eye on Rodgers' popularity at the time quote
Speaker 4: took a chance on him. However, by the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 4: these wrestlers had become obsolete, and Killer Kowalsky, Gen Kiniski,
Speaker 4: Billy Graham, and Fred Blassie, all of whom were popular
Speaker 4: in the US at the time, also challenged Sammartino, further
Speaker 4: increasing his popularity. Samartino's titled Rain lasted for about eight
Speaker 4: years until he was defeated by Ivan Coloff in January
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy one, but most of the wrestlers who challenged
Speaker 4: him were proteges trained or promoted by McMahon. These include
Speaker 4: Bill Miller, Bull Ramos, Kentucky Butcher, That's Big, John Quinn, Baron,
Speaker 4: Mechell Baron, Michael Sekluna, Jus Orteka, Bill Watts, Gorilla Monsoon,
Speaker 4: and Waldo von Eric. Other newcomers I'd like to see
Speaker 4: include cool Off, I mean cole Off. Hold no, no,
Speaker 4: I'd say the idea that other newcomers I'd like to see,
Speaker 4: implying that he'd liked to see Sammartino. Yes, include Cooloff,
Speaker 4: George Steele, and Spiro's Arion. With the MSG promotion and
Speaker 4: the ongoing boom, McMahon struggled with talent shortages I see,
Speaker 4: and finally rejoining the NWA in nineteen seventy If he's
Speaker 4: got an ongoing boom, why are their talents? Why is
Speaker 4: he struggling?
Speaker 1: Right, it's fascinating to hear them just convey just the
Speaker 1: whole history of East Coast wrestling YEA to their readers,
Speaker 1: and make note of the fact that the Los Angeles
Speaker 1: territory the West Coast was kind of in a recession.
Speaker 1: We definitely got those vibes when Hult came through and
Speaker 1: did that little bit in June fourth one of Mike Masters,
Speaker 1: It's not a packed house, Okay.
Speaker 4: Not at all, not at all, allowing him to and
Speaker 4: finally rejoining the NWA in nineteen seventy five, allowing him
Speaker 4: to book with member promoters from around the country. Removing
Speaker 4: the World from the title must have been humiliated.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 4: Removing the World from the title must have been humiliating.
Speaker 4: But without seeking new talent from across the country, the
Speaker 4: small New York wrestling scene would have aged along with
Speaker 4: the established wrestlers. I mean, okay, it's just it's hilarious.
Speaker 4: McMahon's current voters include Sam much Nick and Saint Louis,
Speaker 4: Jim Barnett and Georgia, Jim Crockett in Mid Atlantic, Edmie
Speaker 4: Graham and Florida, and Mike Label in Los Angeles. Non
Speaker 4: members include Verne Gagney of the AWA and Bill Watts,
Speaker 4: who runs the MSWA and Louisiana. Through these connections.
Speaker 1: US, I guess that South Wrestling Association I've never heard.
Speaker 1: I've never heard it MID an acronym like that. It's
Speaker 1: always just miss South. Yeah, mid South.
Speaker 4: Through these connections he was able to bring new blood
Speaker 4: like Stan Hanson, Bruiser Brody, and Dusty Rhodes. Did Bruiser
Speaker 4: or Brody ever go to New York? He sure did,
Speaker 4: Yeah he did. Have we seen the seventies? No, he
Speaker 4: had left just as Hulk arrived. Conveniently enough. But have
Speaker 4: we ever seen him like we've done some shows from
Speaker 4: the seventies, MS gentlemen, were ever seeing No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: We've reviewed a show that he wrestles on. In MSG,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But that's where he had his
Speaker 1: initial blow up with the guy who stabbed him to death.
Speaker 1: Was he was wrestling the Strada invader in the garden
Speaker 1: and they had a a little bit of a kerf
Speaker 1: fluffle about, you know, Brody being stiff with him and
Speaker 1: taking advantage of him and stuff, And a lot of
Speaker 1: people point to that as kind of the precursor of
Speaker 1: what happened Wow, and montsoon being affiliated with the Puerto
Speaker 1: Rico office and owning a piece of it like he did.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we didn't come down with enough
Speaker 1: of an iron fist on Jose Strada back then, and
Speaker 1: look what happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say, Uh. Vince nick Man, who was pursuing
Speaker 4: a cooperative relationship with New Japan Pro Wrestling, has endless worries. Okay,
Speaker 4: oh my god, Oh yes, yes, I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: I don't understand that. I'm endlessly worried. I am, and
Speaker 4: I'm worried to an endless degree. I believe that's the
Speaker 4: title of the book.
Speaker 1: I think we've got that endlessly worried.
Speaker 4: His markets include the Mecca of MSG, as well as Rochester,
Speaker 4: New York, Washington, d C, Baltimore, Maryland, Boston, Massachusetts, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: and Philadelphia, New Jersey. Attendance at m G alone hasn't
Speaker 4: changed much since the heyday of the WWWE monthly regular
Speaker 4: matches attracted at least eighteen thousand attendees, with sellouts of
Speaker 4: twenty two thousand often being recorded. One distinctive feature MSG
Speaker 4: audience is that they is that they welcome matches with
Speaker 4: strong rivalries. One Hanson challenge WWE heavyweight champion Bob Becklan
Speaker 4: in February of this year. The attendance was eighteen thousand,
Speaker 4: that rose to twenty thousand for his challenge in March,
Speaker 4: and then sold out again for his challenge in April.
Speaker 4: Including the closed circuit, twenty three thousand people have including
Speaker 4: the closed circuit twenty three people have attended MSG twenty
Speaker 4: for all people twenty three thousand thousand. Well, even that numbers,
Speaker 4: we're including the close circuit. Twenty three thousand people have
Speaker 4: attended Madison Square Garden in its history, all the series
Speaker 4: of existence in May of that same year, and Semartino's
Speaker 4: popularity was enduring, while backland lackluster performance outside of the
Speaker 4: MSG was undeniable. The power plants already power plant power,
Speaker 4: really already the power plants grumbling against McMahon's cooperative approach
Speaker 4: to New Japan Pro Wrestling. Local insiders believe that the
Speaker 4: close relationship between New Japan Pro Wrestling and the WWE
Speaker 4: has been both a blessing and a.
Speaker 1: Curse for both parties.
Speaker 4: Aside from MSG, Backlands lackluster popularity and other major markets
Speaker 4: is a source of concern for McMahon. Sammartino's popularity remains strong,
Speaker 4: surpassing backlands. Sammartino's popularity is particularly overwhelming in Boston, where
Speaker 4: he draws fifteen thousand people when he wins. That he
Speaker 4: wins with what he wins the main event, but in
Speaker 4: backstage areas attendance drops significantly. So when he wins, fifteen
Speaker 4: thousand people will be there. When he's not when he's
Speaker 4: not winning, there will be less than fifteen thousand people
Speaker 4: there because they know the outcome ahead of time. That's right,
Speaker 4: Sammu tell whoever, Simontino has no intention of regaining the title.
Speaker 4: He's taking it as his own pace.
Speaker 1: What a weird thing to say, I have no intention
Speaker 1: of regaining the title. It's like he's not saying I'm
Speaker 1: not going to try, but I have no intention of
Speaker 1: actually succeeding. I have no intention of actually winning the title.
Speaker 1: So this is but I am taking but but I
Speaker 1: am taking it at my own pace. Took a hell
Speaker 1: of a long time. But there again they get around
Speaker 1: to the dynamic of the ww AD from New Japan
Speaker 1: relationship and how they keep getting this lame ass. Bob
Speaker 1: Beckland is their champion to deal with.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4: Kept he's drawing money, he's doing fairly well for himself,
Speaker 4: and you know, these are the things that you know,
Speaker 4: people do as are told, right, that's the way. That's
Speaker 4: the way business works, way America works.
Speaker 1: Wow him with that, that's good. You know, if if
Speaker 1: you got a problem with that, you get a problem
Speaker 1: with our success.
Speaker 4: If you have a problem with that, we can go
Speaker 4: to war again and we will beat you a Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll kill you, all right, No Pearl Harbor, job on me.
Speaker 4: All right, don't don't try to pearl Harbor me. I'm
Speaker 4: from fucking New York, you son of a bitch. McMahon
Speaker 4: has fully taken this into account, having Peter my Va
Speaker 4: challenged back them three times and Pat Patterson challenged him
Speaker 4: four times. Well, it's possible that they rely more on
Speaker 4: the popularity of healed challengers and on Backlan's popularity. It's
Speaker 4: common for a solid challenger to challenge twice in a row. Here,
Speaker 4: the pamphlet always mentions Martial Arts heavyweight Champion Antonio Nok
Speaker 4: w w J Heavyweight Champion, have Toumi Fujinami and a
Speaker 4: w A and aw A don don.
Speaker 1: Fucking mob Boss.
Speaker 4: Well, exactly a w A don V Gagney V Gagney
Speaker 4: second only to US champion b gun.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. Be Gun is supposed to be.
Speaker 4: Billy Gunn brother. Now Japan pro wrestlers in preferential treatment,
Speaker 4: with the Oshiaki's photo often appearing on the cover, and Fujinami,
Speaker 4: despite not having achieved much in recent years, ranking third
Speaker 4: in the heavyweight division. The WWE is the only organization
Speaker 4: that sanctions martial arts championships in the United States in
Speaker 4: exchange for his thorough cooperation with New Japan Pro, McMahon
Speaker 4: monopolizes the channel for inviting foreign wrestlers to New Japan Pro.
Speaker 4: This means that even if New Japan Pro wants wrestlers
Speaker 4: from the AWA or Florida, they cannot negotiate directly without McMahon.
Speaker 4: In other words, a relationship with the WWE is so
Speaker 4: close that they cannot afford to cheat. This is certainly
Speaker 4: a disadvantage for New Japan Pro, which aims to utilize
Speaker 4: the entire United States as a source of foreign wrestlers.
Speaker 4: When Baba flew to the US before the Kaj the
Speaker 4: Karaj Festival, the first person he went to for advice
Speaker 4: was Samontino. When Samontino responded with a manly spirit, I
Speaker 4: mean he brought him a prijut leg or something. Of
Speaker 4: the three major shareholders of McMahon's company, CWC, Monsoon, and
Speaker 4: Zaco are all on Salmontino's side, excluding Scoland. In October,
Speaker 4: Salmatino will make a special appearance at All Japan Pro
Speaker 4: Wrestlings tenth Anniversary series, which is currently in.
Speaker 1: An all out war with New Japan Pro Wrestling.
Speaker 4: Even McMahon, as expected, was unable to influence Samontino, who
Speaker 4: has more popularity in draws more spectators than the champion
Speaker 4: and is highly respected in the wrestling world. Although he
Speaker 4: has retired once, Salmontino remains extremely popular even among his
Speaker 4: fellow wrestlers. There are Even though among his fellow wrestlers
Speaker 4: there are critics. Yes, wrestlers in the region A page
Speaker 4: surprisingly little for a small town circuit. Undercard wrestles like
Speaker 4: Johnny Rods and Carlos josea Strada often earned around one
Speaker 4: hundred dollars per match, but even they make generous salaries
Speaker 4: when they compete in regular matches at NSG. This makes
Speaker 4: up to the low prices they normally pay. However, when
Speaker 4: New Japan Pro wrestlers arrive and compete in the MSG
Speaker 4: regular matches, they lose their chance to perform. It's no
Speaker 4: fun to have to put up with the low prices
Speaker 4: normally only to have your money taken away by New
Speaker 4: Japan Pro wrestlers. Yes, even McMahon's protege Dom Danucci, is
Speaker 4: he a protege protege it's calling for New Japan Pro
Speaker 4: wrestlers to be bad from MSG. Even the capable McMahon
Speaker 4: is no end of worries at this page, at this
Speaker 4: point in the game, I have no I have no
Speaker 4: end of worries. My worries are endless. They never end.
Speaker 4: My worries begin and they just go on in eternity.
Speaker 4: I wake up, they go on. I wake up in
Speaker 4: the morning, I have worries. When I go to bed
Speaker 4: at night, I have more worries. And when I wake
Speaker 4: up the next morning, I have you know, no fewer worries.
Speaker 4: And when I went to bed, the worries don't don't dilute,
Speaker 4: they only they only expand.
Speaker 1: So I'm living my life. But this last sentence really
Speaker 1: brings it home.
Speaker 4: Even the capable McMahon is no end of worry. He
Speaker 4: is dealing with the Sammartino faction and disgruntled wrestlers who
Speaker 4: simply refused to go along with his policy of total
Speaker 4: cooperation with New Japan Pro wrest exactly.
Speaker 1: So as much as Vince McCann Jr. Wanted to make
Speaker 1: New Japan the preferential partner, and you know, Hashashi Shinma,
Speaker 1: the president of the whole organization, Sam Martino and many
Speaker 1: others just have allegiances to BABA and want to cut
Speaker 1: their own deals in Japan. It's kind of the first
Speaker 1: sign of friction, I think in terms of Vince Senior
Speaker 1: trying to claim or any of the McMahon's trying to
Speaker 1: claim dominion beyond just what you do in the New
Speaker 1: York territory for what you do everywhere. I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: quite happy with the booking fees he's getting sending Andre
Speaker 1: to Japan, because Vince Senior since nineteen seventy three, as
Speaker 1: we've talked to Pat la Proud about, it was basically
Speaker 1: Andre's booking agent wherever he went around the world and
Speaker 1: got a percentage of his fee, and so I'm sure
Speaker 1: he would like to have replicated that by insisting everyone
Speaker 1: going to New Japan to keep the economics flowing. The
Speaker 1: deal pretty much was in place through the first couple
Speaker 1: of years of Vince Junior's administration of the WWF as well,
Speaker 1: but there are always wrestlers who pushed against it and
Speaker 1: sought to play both sides of the fence in Japan,
Speaker 1: just like they would play several sides of the fence
Speaker 1: in the US territories to find the most lucrative opportunity.
Speaker 2: The Fan Wrestling Podcast, he's a lapsed fan Wrestling podcast
Speaker 2: with Jack and carn Seo MJP.
Speaker 1: Sooro and when they're working with Stan Hansen as one
Speaker 1: of the key foils to Brunos s Martino in the
Speaker 1: mid to late seventies in the WWF, that gets complicated
Speaker 1: as well because Hanson wants to decide where and when
Speaker 1: he goes in Japan and not have to have it
Speaker 1: be up to Vince McMahon senior just because he happens
Speaker 1: to be working there. So that's kind of the angle
Speaker 1: that the Japanese press is coming at it from, and
Speaker 1: that's what's in the air around the time of the
Speaker 1: forthcoming Transition. But after that match and the others we
Speaker 1: talked about in October in Japan, the Halkster returns to
Speaker 1: the Awa State side. By October seventeenth, he's in Chicago
Speaker 1: defeating Jerry Blackwell via count out underneath Greg and Jim
Speaker 1: Brenzel over Jesse Ventura and Adrian Adonis in a steel cage.
Speaker 1: Here Boss on October eighteenth, nineteen eighty one is a
Speaker 1: clipping from the newspaper in Green Bay, The Herald Sims
Speaker 1: Reporter in Two Rivers, Wisconsin, actually Wednesday, October fourteenth, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, what's going to happen? And what does happen?
Speaker 4: Uh? Hold one? Oh okay, here we go. The Battle
Speaker 4: Royal's main event, indeed okay. A sixteen man Battle Royal
Speaker 4: is the main event on a six bout professional wrestling
Speaker 4: card at the Brown County Arena Sunday. Sixteen pro wrestlers
Speaker 4: will be in the ring at the same time and
Speaker 4: must in Each must be thrown over the top rope
Speaker 4: to be eliminated. The last man in the ring will
Speaker 4: claim a fifty thousand dollars purse. Wrestlers entered or Andre
Speaker 4: the Giant, Billy Robinson, Burnet, Gulai buck Zoumhoff, Baron von Rashki,
Speaker 4: Jim Brunzel, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Valliant, The Incredible Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 4: Jerry Blackwell, Ken Peterra, Bobby Duncom, Greg Gagney, chikh Ad,
Speaker 4: non El Casey, Tito Santana and Jesse Ventura. Another bouts.
Speaker 4: Ken Peterra faces Jim Brunzel, Jimmy Valliant faces Bobby Duncom,
Speaker 4: Hulk Hogan takes on Jesse Ventura, Greg Gagne meets chic
Speaker 4: Adnan O'Casey and Tito Santana faces Bobby Heenan and the
Speaker 4: sports briefs wins. Chike wins Battle Royal, Chik add nan
Speaker 4: Ocasey won the main event, a twenty five man that
Speaker 4: expanded quickly a sixteen man Battle Royal a week five
Speaker 4: days prior and became a twenty five man Battle Royal
Speaker 4: and in twenty three minutes and eighteen seconds and took
Speaker 4: the first place perce Percy Person Percy purse e y
Speaker 4: of twenty five thousand dollars in professional wrestling. Here Sunday Night,
Speaker 4: Another Action Hulk Hogan beat Jesse G s j E.
Speaker 4: S s I E. The Body Ventura in arm wrestling,
Speaker 4: Kent Pattera beat Jumpin' Jimmy Brunzell in sixteen oh five,
Speaker 4: Jerry Crusher Blackwell pinned Jimmy Valliant in two ten, and
Speaker 4: Tito Santana Bent penned Bobby the Brain Heenan in eleven
Speaker 4: fifty six. Attendance was thirty four or sixty eight on
Speaker 4: the night.
Speaker 1: So that's what's going on. Hogan's return to the United
Speaker 1: States October twentieth. The Leader Telegram a nice illustration of
Speaker 1: Andre the Giant. Look at that with his fro double
Speaker 1: bicep pose towering over the city like Godzilla.
Speaker 4: That's very funny.
Speaker 1: Advertise this all star wrestling card at the North High
Speaker 1: School Gym on October twentieth, nineteen eighty one. The twelve
Speaker 1: man Battle Royal there and Hulkogan listed among the participants.
Speaker 1: Moving ahead, looking at some aw Look at that rad
Speaker 1: dog Vashan eyeglass specs unlimited print dad. Look at the
Speaker 1: goofiness of that guy wearing the black rimmed glasses there,
Speaker 1: What an idiot. It's like the guy in the six
Speaker 1: Flags commercials.
Speaker 4: He really does.
Speaker 1: So take us into what's being reported up in the
Speaker 1: Winnipeg press around the Battle Royal, his Battle Royal season.
Speaker 1: It's October and town Battle Royal.
Speaker 4: In the ring, eighteen wrestlers try not to go over
Speaker 4: the top rope. It's supposed to be an all out
Speaker 4: wrestling Wrestle Royal Thursday at the Arena with eighteen big
Speaker 4: guys go at it at the same time. In the ring,
Speaker 4: Billie Robinson, Rene Gula, Evan Johnson, Jumping, Jim Brenzel and
Speaker 4: Under the Giant are some of the grapplers ready to
Speaker 4: bruise their way through the main event, which is a
Speaker 4: lass over the top rope a limit last or last
Speaker 4: last over the top ropes go elimination battle with one
Speaker 4: thousand dollars waiting for the last man in the ring.
Speaker 4: So I let you just emphasize that in the previous
Speaker 4: battle royal fifty thousand dollars on the line.
Speaker 1: In this one, one thousand dollars is on the line. Yes,
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a big difference. It's worth a
Speaker 1: lot harder on one than the other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. The card starts at eight pm with Jerry
Speaker 4: Blackwell and Johnny Valiant, Bobby Bob Duncan and Tito Versusito Santana,
Speaker 4: Ken Peterra versus Buck Zuomhoff the Hall versus Jesse Ventura,
Speaker 4: she got Non l Cac versus Greg Gagney and Adrina
Speaker 4: Donnas versus Andre the Giant.
Speaker 1: Great stuff. There's the official lineup on the night, So yeah,
Speaker 1: Andre going around the circuit. They go up to Rapid
Speaker 1: City October twenty fourth, nineteen eighty one. Here's the cost.
Speaker 1: See the ticket. By the way, there's a ticket there.
Speaker 1: I missed the ticket, told me on the look they
Speaker 1: have a.
Speaker 4: Sealed blue ticket there. Wrestling at Winnipeg Arena. Someone hung
Speaker 4: out of that piece was ten dollars there the managers.
Speaker 4: The management reserves the right to a license granted by
Speaker 4: this ticket by section sixteen, Row seventeen, Seat three. Let
Speaker 4: you know something where that is in the Winnipeg Arena.
Speaker 1: Wow, some lucky soul. That's great. See those tickets like
Speaker 1: meant nothing at the time, and now it's like breathing
Speaker 1: history looking at us ticket stubs or something else. They
Speaker 1: go to Denver. There's the lineup hul Coke and versus Jesse.
Speaker 1: The body of Ventura is playing out all across the circuit.
Speaker 1: They go to Rapid City, South Dakota. Professional Wrestling is
Speaker 1: going to be returning. You see that picture of Greg
Speaker 1: Ganya and Jim Brunzel Boss. What can they expect in
Speaker 1: Rapid City In late October eighty one.
Speaker 4: All Star Professional Wrestling again will bring its show into
Speaker 4: the Rushmore into Rushmore Plaza Civic Center Saturday night and
Speaker 4: highlighted by with a tag team championship bout belt holders
Speaker 4: Gregg greg Gagne of Mound, Minnesota, that's where you Mound, Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no comment really.
Speaker 4: And Jim Brunzel of White Bear Lake, Minnesota will put
Speaker 4: their American Wrestling Association title on the line when they
Speaker 4: meet Jesse the Body of Ventura of San Diego, California
Speaker 4: and Golden Boy Adrian Nadonnas of New York City. And
Speaker 4: the ninth main event also scheduled our matches between Tito
Speaker 4: Santana and chik Adnan l l case El Cac not
Speaker 4: al CAZy but l.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that's a conversion, and.
Speaker 4: The incredible Hull Cogan versus Rene Gulay. The opening battle
Speaker 4: feature Rock and Roll buck Zoomhoff against Bobby the Brain Heenen.
Speaker 4: The matches begin at eight pm. Ticket prices or eight
Speaker 4: dollars for reserved ringside seats, seven dollars for reserved balcony seats,
Speaker 4: and six dollars for general admission seats. Children under twelve
Speaker 4: years of age will be admitted for three dollars.
Speaker 1: And the results went down. Oh, I love the coverage, man,
Speaker 1: love the coverage in these territories. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: it's so great. It's where all this, you know, all
Speaker 1: these databases of all these results come from the fact
Speaker 1: that these local papers thought it was of enough interest
Speaker 1: to their local readers to just carry a few sentences
Speaker 1: about this. And it's like worth its weight in gold,
Speaker 1: because you can put yourself in the territory. You can
Speaker 1: realize who was around, what the programs were, who was featured,
Speaker 1: who wasn't, and who may have come through that you
Speaker 1: never even thought did. And you know, as poorly done
Speaker 1: as all this stuff is it, they turn out to
Speaker 1: be invaluable historical documents. And again further to the proof
Speaker 1: that the time is now to do something like the
Speaker 1: complete Hulkkein, because yes, every fucking newspaper's been digitized, everything's
Speaker 1: at our fingertips, all the videos there, yep, and here
Speaker 1: we are. In the wrestling main event at the Rushmore
Speaker 1: Plaza cific Center on Saturday night, the current world champion
Speaker 1: tag team of Greg Gagne and Jumping Jim Brenzell successfully
Speaker 1: defended their title with a quick fifteen minute bout no
Speaker 1: route of challengers Jesse the Body Ventur and Bobby the Brain. Heenan,
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was Adonnas, Adonnas,
Speaker 1: not Heenen. Let's take don Heenan for Donnas. Oh right,
Speaker 1: here we go, No, here we go.
Speaker 4: Heenan was a last minute replacement for Golden Boy Adriana Donnas,
Speaker 4: who was injured earlier this week in Winnipeg, Canada.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: Venturia was leveled coming off a throw into the ropes
Speaker 4: when he caught a forearm in the throat from Gagne
Speaker 4: and was easily counted out before a crowd of twenty
Speaker 4: three hundred. In earlier bouts, Bobby Heenan pinned buck zoom
Speaker 4: holf sell three words, oh buck zoom holf. In twelve
Speaker 4: thirty Twito Santana drew with Chikh at Non l Case
Speaker 4: and the Incredible Hulk Cogan pin Rene Gul of France
Speaker 4: in only six minutes. The Chikh lived up to his
Speaker 4: bad guy reputation by refusing to sign autographs and chasing
Speaker 4: little kids from ringside. Waiting there but refusing to chase
Speaker 4: the little kids from ringside using autographs. I know that,
Speaker 4: but it's saying didn't say.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see you? What you're saying the stax Yes,
Speaker 1: highly misleaving, poorly poor grammar.
Speaker 4: He refused to sign autographs and from chasing little kids
Speaker 4: around from ringside. Well is what it's is what it implies.
Speaker 1: The world may never know what was intented there, But
Speaker 1: interesting to see Hulk still being called the Incredible Hulk,
Speaker 1: even though yes, you know, he's fully baby face hul Cogan.
Speaker 1: And that's what's going on in one of the smaller
Speaker 1: cities on the circle, to say the least. Click forward
Speaker 1: October twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one, Saint Paul, Minnesota, the
Speaker 1: Civic Center, Big Goings, Bigduins, then eighteen man Battle Royal,
Speaker 1: and it's Hulk Cogan and Andre the Giant featured in
Speaker 1: the print ad the aforementioned stencil of Andre the Giant
Speaker 1: towering over skyscrapers in some city somewhere, and that old leftover,
Speaker 1: sleepy eyed hull cocin photograph from the w w F
Speaker 1: fifty grand to the winner. They're putting that on the road.
Speaker 4: Oh, this is the great descriptions here though. You know
Speaker 4: again they have so you have another giant, incredible hul
Speaker 4: Coke and Jerry Blackwell, Big Bad Bob duncan Ken, Pettera Jesse,
Speaker 4: the Body ofv Tour claw Master Rashkie.
Speaker 1: Yes, never heard him. It's called that he knows how
Speaker 1: to get those plush toys. Yeah, okay, as he does.
Speaker 4: Golden Boy at Donnis, Bobby the Brainheen and Tito Santanna,
Speaker 4: Billy Robinson, Greg Gagney, Jim Brenzel, daschkh Bear Buck Zoomhoff,
Speaker 4: Evan Johnson, Brene Gul and Dizzy Ed Volder also known
Speaker 4: as Sam contest as Dizzy Ed Butcher, Beefcake.
Speaker 1: Your Beefcake. Well, the whole crew you just listed for
Speaker 1: the most part, also known as w w F nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 1: Sorry, whole crew here basically, but yeah, they were putting
Speaker 1: that Battle Royal on the road. And one of the
Speaker 1: things Greg Gone you would say years later is there
Speaker 1: was this moment where Hogan Andre bump into each other
Speaker 1: in an Awa Battle Royal, and the electricity when they
Speaker 1: face off from the crowd tells them that they got
Speaker 1: to book this matchup. Now. He places that as being
Speaker 1: as best we can tell in nineteen eighty three, and
Speaker 1: they put in requests to Vince Senior to book Hogan
Speaker 1: and Andre for February of nineteen eighty four to have
Speaker 1: Andre back, assuming they would still have Hulk, this of
Speaker 1: course being before Hulk made the jin Wow. So every
Speaker 1: time I see Hogan and Andre listed as together in
Speaker 1: an Awa Battle Royal, I just wonder if.
Speaker 4: There were I just think we have a I think
Speaker 4: this is an opportunity to first to put the to
Speaker 4: pull up you know, super Bowl leagues together and have
Speaker 4: it be, have it be Hogan and Andre in the main event.
Speaker 4: And you know, not for the title. We'll keep that
Speaker 4: title on Bockwinkle. But still, I think, I think, I
Speaker 4: think we have an opportunity here to to really pull
Speaker 4: something off.
Speaker 10: Greg.
Speaker 1: If you don't, if you don't fuck up, all right,
Speaker 1: Oh he comes back to that. He's just sitting there
Speaker 1: like nodding, waiting. Oh, there it is there, it is
Speaker 1: the knife in the back at the end.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you this, all right, all right, Greg,
Speaker 4: come nineteen eighty four, we better fucking have Hogan on contract.
Speaker 4: Your dumb dipshit.
Speaker 1: I want more what on the twelfth floor here of
Speaker 1: the hotel? I want Hogan on the twelfth floor in
Speaker 1: eighty four, You understand me? All right, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: If he's not here, if I don't, if if you
Speaker 4: let him go, I'm gonna throw out the fucking window,
Speaker 4: your dumb ass, Your fucking bitch so tired of having
Speaker 4: a son worthless fucking wist of flesh.
Speaker 1: Well, the secret scribe is on the case. Thank God
Speaker 1: for that. The wrestling columnist in the Minneapolis Star. Thank God,
Speaker 1: take God with his giant dome articles fucking head of
Speaker 1: his for his bizarre lucien ass is rather oblong, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Indeed?
Speaker 1: But he's reporting on all the comings and goings, all
Speaker 1: the speculations. Remember this is the column that called Jesse's
Speaker 1: run being over upon the arrival of Hulk Cogan and
Speaker 1: the AWA, and now he's paying particularly close attention to
Speaker 1: the dynamic between Hulk Cogan and Andre the Giant. It's
Speaker 1: not like the AWA doesn't want their bite of that
Speaker 1: apple as well. All the cities we've listed that got
Speaker 1: Hogan and Andre through seventy nine and eighty through eighty one,
Speaker 1: Minneapolis wasn't one of them. Perhaps that's about the change, boss.
Speaker 1: What does the secret Scribe have to tell.
Speaker 4: Us look out for a hulk grappler andres due to
Speaker 4: fall Andre the Giant. Battle Royals always revolve around him?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 4: At seven foot four, four hundred and eighty five pounds,
Speaker 4: he's a freak. That's enough to make him the main
Speaker 4: attraction at a Battle Royal or any other match. Battle
Speaker 4: Royal is a special kind of wrestling match, and it's
Speaker 4: an event in which eighteen wrestlers square off simultaneously. In
Speaker 4: the ring, a grappler's eliminated when someone tosses him over
Speaker 4: the top rope. The last survivor is reward with fifteen
Speaker 4: thousand dollars and a little in a title bout with
Speaker 4: That's News and a title bout with American Wrestling Association
Speaker 4: champ Nick Bockwinkle. Under the giant often wins the Battle Royals,
Speaker 4: so what afterward he somehow manages to lose the Bockwinkle,
Speaker 4: all six feet two hundred forty pounds of him, more
Speaker 4: than two and a half tons of humanity will tax
Speaker 4: the rings suddenly at the Saint Paul Civic Center for
Speaker 4: promoter Wally Carbo's annual Fall Battle Royal. In addition to Andre,
Speaker 4: the other giants include four hundred and sixty eight pound
Speaker 4: Jerry Blackwell six foot nine, three hundred forty pound Hulk
Speaker 4: Hogan six foot five, three hundred and fifteen pound Big
Speaker 4: Bad Bobby Duncan six foot six, two hundred seventy pound
Speaker 4: Baron von Rashki, former Olympic weightlifter, Ken Petera who weighs
Speaker 4: two hundred seventy five pounds. Bodybuilder just at the Body Ventura,
Speaker 4: who tips the scales at two sixty five and local
Speaker 4: favorites two sixteen pound buck Zoom off of Hamburg, Minnesota,
Speaker 4: and Mounds Greg Gagney, who might measure two hundred pounds
Speaker 4: without let in his power.
Speaker 1: You count the little a little nut on top of
Speaker 1: the coconut too, Almond, that's all enjoy, Almon Joy. What's
Speaker 1: what's on? What's a mound?
Speaker 4: The Mount Mounds is just the fucking It's just the
Speaker 4: chocolate and the fucking coconut. Almond Joys get the nut
Speaker 4: on top.
Speaker 1: So you don't include the the alemond? Got it? No,
Speaker 1: you definitely do not. That's just fucking. That's just plain ship.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got moundst the tapings in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: You got great guy here from Mound, Minnesota. What's next? Yep,
Speaker 1: they're all fighting for one hundred grand.
Speaker 4: Listen, I have no and I have no doubt that
Speaker 4: that that that that Jerry Blackwell comes from Snickers with cod.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say when Snickers mine his back.
Speaker 4: Also scheduled to step into the overcrowded ring, or she
Speaker 4: go had non l Casey again, al Casey uh brene gule,
Speaker 4: Let's say Robert Gouley. I can't believe we took that long.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you imagine that'd be hilarious. Brene Gulay,
Speaker 4: Jim Brenzell, Billy Robinson, Dizzy Ed Boulder, Bobby the Brain,
Speaker 4: heen And and Adrian Odonnas. Who's going to prevail? The Scribe says,
Speaker 4: not Andre the Giant. He's too much of a freak
Speaker 4: to have the kind of fan identification that's necessary to
Speaker 4: be a force in Twin Cities wrestling, to just faded
Speaker 4: into the background and continue to wrestle in Battle Royals
Speaker 4: around the world. The Scribe says, watch out for the
Speaker 4: Heenan family. With Heenan, Petera, and Duncombe working together to
Speaker 4: eliminate immovable forces like Andre the Giant and Blackwell, they
Speaker 4: will be a factor Heenan family, But it doesn't make
Speaker 4: sense for a member of the Heenan family to end
Speaker 4: up challenging stablemate Nick Bockwinkel for the title, so that
Speaker 4: leaves the Sheikh, Blackwell and Hogan as likely winners. The
Speaker 4: Sheikh Backwinkle rivalry is not put, but it's really not
Speaker 4: appealing anymore. A Blackwell Backwinkle matchup could be interesting, but
Speaker 4: Fatwell will be so embarrassed from being body slammed by
Speaker 4: Hogan in a preliminary match that he may not even
Speaker 4: show up for the Battle Royal.
Speaker 1: He does, call him fatwell he does.
Speaker 4: He does. Therefore, the Secret Scribe picks Hulk Hogan as
Speaker 4: the winner. Look for Duncan and Petera, who meet Robinson Gulay.
Speaker 4: That sounds like a fucking person, not a team Robin
Speaker 4: Robin as he yes, it does. Duncan, Petera, Robinson and
Speaker 4: Gulay attorneys at law and associates associates in a in
Speaker 4: a preliminary match to emerge as leading challenges for the
Speaker 4: tag team title. Patera, who started out as a protege
Speaker 4: of Verne Gagney and a good guy, is a brother
Speaker 4: of coach Jack Petera of the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: I don't know that either, scribes secrets. Rod tron Guard,
Speaker 4: voice of the Minnesota Kicks and a former sportscaster on KSTPA,
Speaker 4: has become the new ring announcer on Channel nine KMSP
Speaker 4: TVs All Star Wrestling.
Speaker 1: I'm Rod Trodguard, and.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you I see monkeys rolling around in my dirt.
Speaker 4: It seems that KTSP is still benevolent to some of
Speaker 4: its former employees. All Star Wrestling is filmed at KSTP Studios.
Speaker 4: I'm rod trod go for it, Go for it. And
Speaker 4: while a carrier pigeon may deliver you a letter, it
Speaker 4: delivers me the spoon with which to eat my breakfast cereal.
Speaker 4: I'm rod Trodguard and sometimes I like to stick my
Speaker 4: head in the milk carton.
Speaker 1: I'm rod trodg and that's my face on the milk carton.
Speaker 4: I'm rod tron Guard and I just stapled a milk
Speaker 4: carton to my face.
Speaker 6: Ha ha.
Speaker 1: They said if I wanted to be found, I had
Speaker 1: to put myself on a milk carton. Therefore, here I am.
Speaker 1: I'm rod tron Guard.
Speaker 4: And this is the fourth time I've woken up in
Speaker 4: Nebraska naked this week.
Speaker 1: I'm rod tron Guard.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. Just picture rod tron Guard naked in
Speaker 4: Nebraska for just for a second, Okay, him realizing that
Speaker 4: it's happened, and how scared he is, and he fucking
Speaker 4: runs around.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's always like he's never aware of what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. He just finds himself in these.
Speaker 6: Scenarios, you know, buddy, welcome.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I trying to find some rod tron Guard clips. That's podcast.
Speaker 1: Shout out to whoever that is. But that's not what
Speaker 1: I was looking for.
Speaker 4: I guess people don't.
Speaker 1: Have the enthusiasm we do for rod trot Guard fire reels.
Speaker 1: I'm finding nothing.
Speaker 4: Fucking I'm rod tron Guard, and I've been told I
Speaker 4: have a mom.
Speaker 1: He was w Vince hired him to This is Savage
Speaker 1: and Donna's Rostito gnoa Cage. I guess he was on
Speaker 1: the call. All right, Well, we'll have to pick it
Speaker 1: up as we go, because rod tron Guard's will be
Speaker 1: back in our lives very thank God, very very soon.
Speaker 4: Listen as long as he samples the jams and jelly as,
Speaker 4: I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1: I'm rod trot Guard, and I'm two votes away from
Speaker 1: unionizing the school bus drivers in your town. If you
Speaker 1: don't know by now, rod tron Guard. Bit from the
Speaker 1: Life and Death Days. Is this idea that he well,
Speaker 1: he's tripping on acid always and he understands himself to
Speaker 1: be in a dimension in a reality that he is not.
Speaker 4: He well, I think the idea is he is his
Speaker 4: own dimension, right, he is his own reality. Rod tron
Speaker 4: Guard exists within rod Tron Guard.
Speaker 1: And so welcome to the complete Hulk Cogan rod Toron Guard.
Speaker 1: We hop fucking new.
Speaker 4: We hope you brought the good stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't wait for his eccentricities. What
Speaker 1: else does a secret scribe have to tell us? The
Speaker 1: week later in the Minneapolis Star, odds should be even
Speaker 1: when they go to the mat. Jerry Blackwell, you asked
Speaker 1: for it. You finally bit en off more than your
Speaker 1: big mouth and oversized belly can handle. Make sure your
Speaker 1: health insurance is paid up. Here's the story of Blackwell's
Speaker 1: predicted This guy's fucking a riot, absolute right, secret Scribe.
Speaker 1: I need to know who this is? Who is the
Speaker 1: secret scribe? Oh no, Oh my god. The four hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty eight pound Mini from Georgia sabotage Hulk Hogan
Speaker 1: with a folding chair to the noggin during their preliminary
Speaker 1: battle to the October twenty fifth Battle. Royal Saint Paul
Speaker 1: Hogan was hurt so badly that he was unable to
Speaker 1: compete in the battle. Royal Tad insult to injury. Jesse,
Speaker 1: the body of in Tura, was fighting for unions that's
Speaker 1: not what he said, who.
Speaker 4: Had aided and betted fat Well during the match, gloated
Speaker 4: over the fallen Hulk. This would be the first time
Speaker 4: of many times that I would gloat over the fallen
Speaker 4: Hulk Hogan, God damn it. Affrey regained his census. Hogan
Speaker 4: challenged Blackwell, Ventura and Tora's partner Adrian Adonis to a
Speaker 4: three against one bout. Promoter Wally Carbo would sign the
Speaker 4: match only of Hogan, who stands six foot nine and
Speaker 4: weighs three hundred and forty pounds, had a partner for protection.
Speaker 4: So the Hulk enlisted Andre the Giant seven foot four,
Speaker 4: four hundred and eighty five pounds the winner of the
Speaker 4: Battle Royal. This two against three match Sunday at the
Speaker 4: Saint Paul Civic Center should have more action than John
Speaker 4: Travolta could create on the downs floor of American Bandstand.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, he doesn't always hit home run, says he.
Speaker 4: I guess yeah, describe predicts the bout will turn into
Speaker 4: a three for all. Brother literally expect the Hulk's manager,
Speaker 4: Johnny Valiant to get into the action too. There's no
Speaker 4: doubt about it. This Blackwelve and Tour versus the Hulk
Speaker 4: is developing into some kind of rivalry. Another rivalry will
Speaker 4: be rekindled Sunday Whimp. This is written by Vern apparently
Speaker 4: Greg Gagney, the crafty son of retired champ Vern, squares
Speaker 4: off against Big bab Bobby Duncom. Gagney has a score
Speaker 4: to settle with a three hundred pound plus Texan. Young
Speaker 4: Gagney broke Duncan's leg a couple of years ago to
Speaker 4: retali eight for Duncum rupturing Vern Verne Gagney's ear drum.
Speaker 4: Then Duncan, with the help of the Heenan family, was
Speaker 4: responsible for Gagney the youngers, the younger suffering a concussion
Speaker 4: that nearly Kai Coyote Kaote Kote his career.
Speaker 1: Yeh.
Speaker 4: The Gagney clan figures in another match on Sunday's card.
Speaker 4: Eight years ago. Verne Gagney and Billy Robinson trained former
Speaker 4: Olympic weight lifter Ken Petera and introduced him to professional wrestling.
Speaker 4: After a couple of years, the bulky, well built blonde
Speaker 4: disregarded as the scientific tactics of his teachers to become
Speaker 4: one of the most successful rule breakers in the business.
Speaker 4: Robinson hopes to show Petera the errors of his way Sunday.
Speaker 4: The other opening bouts are of little consequence except for
Speaker 4: this footnote. The dread of tchikh ad non l Casey
Speaker 4: has been relegated to wrestling. An opening match with popular
Speaker 4: buck rock 'n' roll zoom off is the time. It's
Speaker 4: time for the chik to find his camel and take
Speaker 4: a ride back to his oil.
Speaker 1: Well, oh shit, Jesus, all right, he must be sec
Speaker 1: he must be cycling out of the territory. And then
Speaker 1: that little small bit there in the top right some
Speaker 1: results for us Okay.
Speaker 4: Under the Giant triumphs Under the Giant was won the
Speaker 4: eighteen man Battle Royal as in Pro Wrestling Actions Sunday
Speaker 4: Night at the Saint Paul Civic Center before seventeen sixty
Speaker 4: eight fans and other matches. Ho Cogan defeated Jerry Blackwell
Speaker 4: in the body slam contest. Ken Peter and Bobby Duncan
Speaker 4: defeated Billy Robinson, Rene Goulay an attag team contest, so
Speaker 4: no vern huh ver vern bout out of that one.
Speaker 4: Tito Santana defeated Bobby Heaton. The Sheet defeated Baron von
Speaker 4: Rashki about its qualification and Evan Johnson defeated Ed Boulder.
Speaker 1: There's a rundown what's happening in Minneapolis and the secret
Speaker 1: scribe there to document a lot of it. We move
Speaker 1: ahead to October twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one Saint Paul
Speaker 1: Civic Center footage of the Hulk Cogan versus Jerry Blackwell
Speaker 1: Body Slam Challenge.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: The Hulk Hogan Blackwell program continues to be the gift
Speaker 1: that keeps on giving for the AWA. Let's see what
Speaker 1: we have in three two one play.
Speaker 5: I want them to roll this video tape footage tear answer.
Speaker 4: So it's Hogan and Jean and studio pitch you to
Speaker 4: the footage.
Speaker 5: Z stocks God Blackwell right head right off? How is it?
Speaker 1: Roger Kenner and Rod tronicgard I think it's a.
Speaker 5: Who blue as who straight bardon.
Speaker 1: The right hand, Blackwall soaring back.
Speaker 11: Deep straight back off its big boot.
Speaker 1: Shotwell teeter ring. Johnny Dallian is on the apron. Hogan's
Speaker 1: manager something I don't know. Anybody slams Blackwell. Hey, game,
Speaker 1: the roof is distracted.
Speaker 5: Can't crab o how Corgan but nobody slam I'm Jerry
Speaker 5: blow deck ros.
Speaker 12: What. Rep.
Speaker 5: Berree says no, I didn't say it. The rough Bree
Speaker 5: says no, no, no. Rough Rae says no way.
Speaker 1: Micarriage of justice.
Speaker 5: Holstvaliant protesting.
Speaker 1: Hogan, just do it one more time?
Speaker 11: Who's that?
Speaker 1: And Torah holds Hogan's legout.
Speaker 5: Torah just up banded Hogan and black.
Speaker 1: Moll falls on Hogan. Hogan shows Blackwell inside and gives Chase.
Speaker 11: To get framed.
Speaker 1: Choking that door, turned the ring, digging off.
Speaker 9: Through the ring.
Speaker 12: That's not the smartest thing in the world.
Speaker 5: And let's look an incredible hawk going after him.
Speaker 1: Get his hands on Jesse the body and Ventura.
Speaker 12: Got s Onden. Black Cell gotting.
Speaker 11: Into the rack.
Speaker 1: Gooseles Ventura high above the crowd.
Speaker 12: He's got He nails him with a chair.
Speaker 1: Blackwell's got a chair and he's attacking Halt.
Speaker 12: Go on to work on him with a chair. Watch
Speaker 12: him on the head.
Speaker 1: The umbridge. In Roger Kent's voice, see where is he?
Speaker 12: Good Lord.
Speaker 1: Ventura showing off the bicycles.
Speaker 5: Are gonna put the body slam on black Velve.
Speaker 12: The referee was not.
Speaker 5: Looking well yet, protesting and all battling.
Speaker 12: Brake's loose.
Speaker 1: Garbage flying in the ring, get the chair, his Ventura struts, steel.
Speaker 5: Hammer, Hogan Carbo, Wally Carbo.
Speaker 9: What's that now?
Speaker 12: What's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: They don't find out, but needless to say, Johnny Valiant
Speaker 1: still managing hull Cogan even though he's a babyface and
Speaker 1: causing lots of trouble. Yeah, basically forcing the ref to
Speaker 1: miss the body slam and the body slam challenge. So
Speaker 1: you can see them kind of transitioning the Blackbell feud
Speaker 1: into the Jesse Ventura feud there in that brief clip,
Speaker 1: Sioux City Journal picks up the AWA on the circuit
Speaker 1: October twenty ninth, nineteen eighty one, eighteen man Battle Royal
Speaker 1: twenty five grand to the winner. There's the uh the
Speaker 1: Andre sketch and what does the article say? At October thirty,
Speaker 1: Under the Giant wins Battle Royal. Under the Giant was
Speaker 1: the big winner in the eighteen man Battle Royal that
Speaker 1: top the professional wrestling car to the Sioux City Auditorium Thursday.
Speaker 1: Andre was the last man left in the ring and
Speaker 1: as he took home the top prize money in a
Speaker 1: special event, the Hull Cogan.
Speaker 4: The Hull Cogan post that's the Hulk Hogan both the
Speaker 4: victory in an arm wrestling condesc with Jesse the body
Speaker 4: of Ventura. In other matches, Bobby Duncomba and Billy Robinson
Speaker 4: battle to a fifteen minute draw. Jerry Blackwell pinned Johnny
Speaker 4: Valliant in two eighteen, but the referee reversed the decision
Speaker 4: and awarded the match A valiant ken battera brother of
Speaker 4: I thought I thought was son of Seattle Seahawks, Seahawks
Speaker 4: coach Jack Butterra before now he's brother. I think it's
Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks. Yeah, little confused coach Jack Butterra pin Tito
Speaker 4: Santana twenty and twelve eighteen, and Baron von Rashki whipped
Speaker 4: the Chic in thirteen twenty seven.
Speaker 1: All right, So then on October thirtieth, we continue across
Speaker 1: the circuit Madison, Wisconsin, and there's the Thunderlips picture All
Speaker 1: Star Wrestling next to the Andre picture. They illustrate Andre
Speaker 1: like they used to illustrate the Incredible Hulk Boss back
Speaker 1: in the Memphis days. It's like this cartoon. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm into a town near you. We can
Speaker 1: just no matter how hard we try We don't really try,
Speaker 1: but you get my point. No matter how much we
Speaker 1: think Hogan, Andre is in the past, oh or in
Speaker 1: the future, every territory he goes to ye ends up
Speaker 1: crossing it up with Andre the Giants. It's the match,
Speaker 1: it's the match. The match. Yeah, it's absolutely meant to be.
Speaker 1: And here at the Edgwod High School Gymnasium on Friday,
Speaker 1: October thirtieth, they were treated to a twelve man Battle
Speaker 1: Royal for the twenty five thousand dollars pers The Incredible
Speaker 1: Hulkogan three forty minutes Beach competing, as well as Brunzel
Speaker 1: Santana Blackwell, Andre Duncan, Gulay, Robinson, Ventura, Zumhoff, Gania, and
Speaker 1: Bobby the Brain Heenan. Here's a bit of a preview
Speaker 1: from the Wisconsin State Journal October seventeenth, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: Professional wrestlings famed Battle Royal will come to Madison for
Speaker 1: the first time. This is Madison's first Battle Royal. An
Speaker 1: answer to a trivia question, I know you've long.
Speaker 4: Had boss, Yes.
Speaker 1: When Edgwod High School host the of on October thirtieth,
Speaker 1: performers like seven foot four, four hundred and sixty four
Speaker 1: pound Andre the Giant and the Incredible Hulk Cogan, a
Speaker 1: mere six seven three forty will be part of the
Speaker 1: two wrestler card. To think that this person was writing
Speaker 1: this up at this local paper about the guy who
Speaker 1: would become Hulk Hogan, that's got to be such a
Speaker 1: weird situation years later when he sees what this guy
Speaker 1: becomes and the Battle Royal twelve performers are in the
Speaker 1: ring at the same time, with the last man left winning.
Speaker 1: Twenty five thousand dollars. Tickets are available for the event,
Speaker 1: which is sponsored by the Edgewood Athletic Association and the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Wrestling Club at United Bank of Westgate and the
Speaker 1: Athlete's Foot at East Town Mall. Remember the Athlete's foot
Speaker 1: Remember that chain? Oh yes, yep, I do, I do,
Speaker 1: Stop making me want it. Hogan is issuing a challenge
Speaker 1: in the Major League Wrestling program to Blackwell and Ventura.
Speaker 1: And this isn't duplicative, right, This isn't the same one
Speaker 1: that we saw reprinted in one of these Major League
Speaker 1: Wrestling programs. This is this is new right?
Speaker 4: Hold on, I lost the page? The problem?
Speaker 1: What's the date again? That well, it's listed as nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, Dash ten Dash xx because it's just the
Speaker 1: program for the month of October. It's not necessarily a
Speaker 1: date certain, but it's oh yes.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, this is then tough, same same, same, same picture,
Speaker 4: but it's a different, different, different.
Speaker 1: Article and again spreading Ventura into the Blackwell program, right,
Speaker 1: take it away.
Speaker 4: The Incredible Hulk Hogan has made a couple of enemies
Speaker 4: since his entry into ABA Wrestling Action. They are none
Speaker 4: other than Jerry Blackwell and Jesse the Body of in Tura.
Speaker 4: Blackwell has had quite a reign of terror in the
Speaker 4: a w A. He not only put mad Dog Vashan
Speaker 4: out of action for good, but claims to have sent
Speaker 4: the likes of The Crusher and Dino Bravo packing their
Speaker 4: bags for parts unknown. You mean Japan, right, have war
Speaker 4: hip to it. But in Hogan he may have met
Speaker 4: his match up. Claims that he can just he can
Speaker 4: be just as tough as Blackwell, and in fact claims
Speaker 4: that he can do anything Jerry does just a little
Speaker 4: bit better. Hogan has also worn Blackwell to keep his
Speaker 4: hands off of Luscious Johnny Valley and his manager. The
Speaker 4: Hulk's other bitter rival, Jesse Ventura, also, so now has
Speaker 4: something to think about. A man who has proclaimed to
Speaker 4: himself the body he finds now finds another muscular gent
Speaker 4: on the scene stealing his thunder. Hogan says that Ventura
Speaker 4: isn't in the same league and that he would just
Speaker 4: as soon take care of his buddy Golden Boy Adriana
Speaker 4: Donnis while he's at it. Keep your eyes open, because
Speaker 4: anytime Hulk Hogan steps into the ring with either black
Speaker 4: Well or the East West Connection, there is bound to
Speaker 4: be some real fireworks.
Speaker 1: Now, if you toggle over to the right hand side,
Speaker 1: you'll see some more on Hulk Hogan in the news
Speaker 1: section with Bill after reporting, And there it is. I
Speaker 1: think this is the first time we've seen it. Complete
Speaker 1: the picture, the publicity photo Stallone and Hogan facing off.
Speaker 1: Yep from the set. Of course, Hogan put on on
Speaker 1: gimmick stilts to look ten times taller, apparently using the
Speaker 1: old Vince Andre trick. Sure, and there's Stallone staring at him,
Speaker 1: Hogan with the championship belt around his waist. So wrestling
Speaker 1: fans and readers of the wrestling magazines the United States
Speaker 1: getting their first look at Hulk Hogan's true would star
Speaker 1: turn here the article says hul Cogan portrays a wrestler
Speaker 1: named Thunderlips in the film Rocky three. Hogan writes that
Speaker 1: his performance will win him an Academy Award. Wow, so
Speaker 1: the rock really did take after him. I guess so
Speaker 1: I am such a great performer, Hogan says, ha ha
Speaker 1: ha ha. After this film was released, I'll be regarded
Speaker 1: as Hollywood's number one sex symbol. Eat your heart out,
Speaker 1: Robert Redford. By the way, Hogan has been accepting some
Speaker 1: matches in Florida. He recently wrestled to a time limit
Speaker 1: draw with the powerhouse Mighty Igor, another powerhouse further in
Speaker 1: the magazine and Matt Brock's plane speaking column. Nice photo
Speaker 1: of Hogan lifting a couple of dumbbells. Dateline, Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the people down here have done
Speaker 1: to deserve what they're getting now, but it seems as
Speaker 1: if Mighty egor at hul Cogan have chosen Florida as
Speaker 1: their mutually agreeable battleground. As these two powerhouses pound their
Speaker 1: way through the state and each other, wrestling fans down
Speaker 1: here are bracing for what promises to be the first
Speaker 1: big storm of the Hurricane season. My guess is that
Speaker 1: this storm will eventually be named Hurricane Hulk. Hogan. Oh,
Speaker 1: Matt's going to hand it to Igor too. He can
Speaker 1: take it as well as dish it out. But I
Speaker 1: don't think he's got as much strength as Hogan, and
Speaker 1: that's got to give the Hulk the edge. So a
Speaker 1: lot of hype in the magazines about this, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: shortly return of Florida in the program with Mighty Igor
Speaker 1: getting a lot of ink spilled, But it would be
Speaker 1: a wa returning to November. I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: allow myself with these kind of temperatures boss to think
Speaker 1: about Turkey, to think about stuffing.
Speaker 4: But well, I can always dream.
Speaker 1: Can you be any more of a Thanksgiving place than Minneapolis?
Speaker 1: Saint Paul?
Speaker 4: Oh, God, come on, I I as always Thanksgiving in
Speaker 4: Minnesota's going to be something really special.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's actually brises, you know, oftentimes in the Northeast
Speaker 1: say nothing of like obviously the southeast and stuff. It's
Speaker 1: so hot still sometimes not every year, Yes, sometimes you're
Speaker 1: just forcing yourself to feel like it's an autumn breeze
Speaker 1: outside and it's just not. Yes, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a problem in Minnesota. I can't help but agree with that.
Speaker 1: Get that fucking quarter step on, get that card again
Speaker 1: on now, yep, yep. So what's Holts November look like?
Speaker 1: While it starts in Winnipeg November fifth, where he teams
Speaker 1: with Andre the Giant That's right, wow, elk Cogain and
Speaker 1: Andre forming a team in the Awa to defeat Jerry Blackwell,
Speaker 1: agent of Donnas, and Jesse Ventura and a three on
Speaker 1: two handicap match. They go to Oshkosh, Wisconsin on November
Speaker 1: the sixth with the same match and the same outcome. Rockford,
Speaker 1: Illinois November seventh, nineteen eighty one, Hulk Cogan defeating Jesse
Speaker 1: Ventura by disqualification in an arm wrestling match. So that
Speaker 1: continues to go around the horn a Toba Saint Paul
Speaker 1: No Remember eighth, nineteen eighty one, Hulk Cogan and Andre
Speaker 1: the Giant defeated Donnis Ventura and Jerry Blackwell And yes
Speaker 1: we will get eyes on that one as it survives
Speaker 1: on tape and a three on two handicap match. They
Speaker 1: go to Omaha, Nebraska next November eleventh. Is Hogan defeats
Speaker 1: Jerry Blackwell Oakland, California. On October pardon me, November twelfth,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, Hogan defeating Jesse Ventura. That's quite a
Speaker 1: quite a hot Saint Paul Omaha, Oakland, but that is
Speaker 1: quite a hob. They bring a Battle Royal to Oakland
Speaker 1: in the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum on November twelfth, Andre
Speaker 1: the Giant, of course, being declared the victor. They're sharing
Speaker 1: the ring with Hulkogan and many others. They go to
Speaker 1: Denver on the thirteenth, as Hulk and Andre defeated Donas
Speaker 1: Ventur and Blackwell. Again, Green Bay has Hulk Hoogan defeating
Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura and what is not denoted on wrestling data
Speaker 1: as an arm wrestling match but a straight wrestling match
Speaker 1: on November fifteenth. Ooh, I don't know if that's just
Speaker 1: missing context or what. We have yet to see a
Speaker 1: Hogan Andre, pardon me, a Hogan Ventura straight one on
Speaker 1: one match yet in the AWA or ever or ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: perhaps we'll never get there, right Raberly, I'm not entirely
Speaker 1: sure what awaits us on that front. Chicago, the International Amphitheater,
Speaker 1: November twenty first, Chicago, Thanksgivings coming, I mean, don't get
Speaker 1: me started. Hogan defeats Jerry Blackwell in the Body Slam
Speaker 1: Challenge November twenty third of the Fargo Civic Auditorium. It's
Speaker 1: according to articles we found incredible Helkogan versus Jerry Blackwell
Speaker 1: Aba Saint Paul. November twenty sixth Hogan defeats Ventura and
Speaker 1: an arm wrestling match, and then it's back to Japan
Speaker 1: and yet again for the second Madison Square Garden Tag League.
Speaker 1: By November twenty ninth, Hogan is back in the land
Speaker 1: of the Rising Sun, facing the likes of Saidji Suck
Speaker 1: Gucci and teaming with Stan Hansen one last time against
Speaker 1: the likes of Anochi and Fujinami. So a very eventful
Speaker 1: November nineteen eighty one. It is for the Hulk as
Speaker 1: he he rides several waves on that wide glide. We
Speaker 1: click ahead to November first, this is a promo from
Speaker 1: a decade tens pul Cogan is about to announce that
Speaker 1: his partner for the matches we just read off will
Speaker 1: be none other than Andre the Giant, and you better
Speaker 1: believe that Hulk does it in as dramatic a fashion
Speaker 1: as possible. Gno Glen holding the microphone Hogan's got the
Speaker 1: shades on indoors. I want to know if there's cocaine
Speaker 1: involved me two to one play and that.
Speaker 5: I could depend on that I could put my back
Speaker 5: against his and I knew he would stand.
Speaker 10: His own ground.
Speaker 11: I wanted three in the ring by myself.
Speaker 5: I want to Ventura Donaldson Blackwell. The promoter said, no way,
Speaker 5: I had to have a partner. So here he comes.
Speaker 11: Fee five poo.
Speaker 9: Are you ready, runner of the battle Royal.
Speaker 5: Fifty one thousand dollars, seven foot four and a half
Speaker 5: four hundred and eighty five pound Andre the Giant. I
Speaker 5: cannot blame it, hul Cogan. You took a whale of
Speaker 5: a lick, and I had with that share last week.
Speaker 5: Are you going to be ready to team up with
Speaker 5: the Giant to go against these three men next?
Speaker 11: Dinside, let me tell you something. I took a whale
Speaker 11: of a bone head.
Speaker 5: I stayed all the battlerole.
Speaker 11: The doctors kept me out.
Speaker 9: I'm ready now for this, when I have.
Speaker 5: Fully recovered Andrea, and I've already called the weather station.
Speaker 12: We told him that Richter Skilds.
Speaker 5: Are gonna spin around a bunch of times, because we're
Speaker 5: gonna be seven bodies from one corner to the other,
Speaker 5: and this man will stand right next to me all
Speaker 5: the way. I have one hundred percent confidence in him.
Speaker 13: What about it?
Speaker 12: Andre?
Speaker 10: I win the battle oil on the last time, and
Speaker 10: I know one thing needs me for a partner, but
Speaker 10: the Pomoa need the Pomo said you need a partner,
Speaker 10: So I will just stay in the corner. And that
Speaker 10: going to be is by while because he was not
Speaker 10: in that way for the eighteen guy by a while.
Speaker 10: But this time he gets three guy by himself, and
Speaker 10: I go to watch the other guys after him. Did
Speaker 10: you get first? I've done this, then I want you
Speaker 10: to get jeg Ess and the fat Black lift the
Speaker 10: last one. Okay, Boss, because you're flacking before you not
Speaker 10: to do it anymore.
Speaker 12: You got the money. I got the money for about
Speaker 12: a while, and then this.
Speaker 10: You got the door.
Speaker 1: What's the.
Speaker 5: Tower?
Speaker 1: And he's not speaking English, He's he's it's like the
Speaker 1: kid who crashes out because he's not getting enough attention. Right,
Speaker 1: Johnny Valliant is big, glittery sequin jacket, just jumps into frame,
Speaker 1: stands squarely between Andrea and Hulk, and spreads his arms
Speaker 1: wide and just goes surprise surprise, Well he can and
Speaker 1: pretend to be amused by it. Okay, thanks for surprising us,
Speaker 1: your dumb fuck. I think that may have been Johnny
Speaker 1: Valliant's A W A Swan song there, boss, Right there
Speaker 1: we got screaming for relevance? Is hope out of here?
Speaker 1: But yeah, the way they how did they shoot Andrea
Speaker 1: entering the frame? That was pretty cool.
Speaker 4: That was great. That's the way you shoot Andre. Honestly,
Speaker 4: the only way to shoot Andre.
Speaker 1: Of Hogan and Oakland talking at the mic and then
Speaker 1: Andre steps in front of the camera completely subsuming the
Speaker 1: frame and gather their buddies. Man, you know this idea
Speaker 1: that like they couldn't stand each other or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm overstating it, but that somehow Hogan had, you know,
Speaker 1: suspicions of Andrea, and Andrea was kind of leading Hogan
Speaker 1: along into thinking they were friends and they weren't. I mean,
Speaker 1: those those guys are hamming it up, like I know,
Speaker 1: it's k fab and everything, but I don't think Andre
Speaker 1: carries on like that on camera. I agree. So it's
Speaker 1: wild that even as Hulk spreads his wings and goes
Speaker 1: up to the Midwest and the A W A It
Speaker 1: comes back around to the Andre feud. It comes back
Speaker 1: around to the Andre chemistry. And that's just the that's
Speaker 1: always been the stir that straws the drink for Hulk.
Speaker 1: Hogan Awa included, as we come to find out, calling
Speaker 1: upon him as his special partner, and it truly would
Speaker 1: be the story of the eighties Hulk and Andre. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just a year after he slammed him in Chase
Speaker 1: Stadium and look where we are.
Speaker 4: It's remarkable. Honestly, it's truly remarkable. How it, like you
Speaker 4: just said, it really always comes back to the two
Speaker 4: of them. Yeah, that's the through line, that's the story.
Speaker 4: There is no Hulk without Andre. People talk about how
Speaker 4: there's no Hogan without Vince, right, or no Vince without Hogan.
Speaker 4: There is no Hogan without Andre. I mean, that is
Speaker 4: abundantly clear because it's in interacting with Andrea across the
Speaker 4: wrestling sphere that he becomes undeniable. That promoters have to
Speaker 4: acknowledge that whatever shortcomings they see in Terry Bolea, everywhere
Speaker 4: they go, they create a higher level of excitement than
Speaker 4: Andre manages to create with just about any other opponent.
Speaker 4: Andre knew that, and that's why in my estimation, he
Speaker 4: never shied away from an opportunity to link up with
Speaker 4: Hull Cogan in any territory. They worked personal feelings, perhaps
Speaker 4: aside at certain points in time to move forward again.
Speaker 4: This looks to be from the November one, nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: one a WA television A bit of a rebuttal here
Speaker 4: from Jerry Blackwell, Jesse Ventura and Adrian Adonis three two
Speaker 4: one play.
Speaker 5: Okay said he wanted that fiself?
Speaker 1: What did he do?
Speaker 5: He shows he not yet a ben of cow and
Speaker 5: he goes on your son, why are you trying.
Speaker 10: To do it?
Speaker 12: Why am I trying to do that?
Speaker 5: Every girl, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna walk in that ring. I'm gonna pick up Andre
Speaker 5: the Giant, thrush him over my head and throw him
Speaker 5: five rows back because nobody.
Speaker 11: Nobody got me and any slam cut.
Speaker 5: This and then Hulk Hogan, I'm gonna pick you up
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna throw you all the way to the
Speaker 5: Mississippi River, baby, and you we ain't never gonna see
Speaker 5: you again. Let me tell you Andre to John, I
Speaker 5: heard you had a broke angle.
Speaker 12: That's the first thing we're going.
Speaker 5: After and then everybody mark a big red eggs almost
Speaker 5: that day because there's gonna be the end of Hulk Cogan.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be all over because we're.
Speaker 1: The greatest wrestlers in the world today.
Speaker 12: Whoa coward?
Speaker 6: You were a coward?
Speaker 5: Lger says, I mean he was not a kind of
Speaker 5: an eye.
Speaker 1: Will Away said, it's always screaming at the end, Geno,
Speaker 1: he would always do that. Adrian and Donnis didn't get
Speaker 1: a word in. You can see he's trying to interrupt,
Speaker 1: trying to butt in and not allowed. So that's how
Speaker 1: you cut promos back then, Man, you just screamed. You
Speaker 1: have Blackwell flashing his his bicep, his chicken wing if
Speaker 1: you will, and uh yeah, heavy heavy drama heading in
Speaker 1: to the handicap matchup. You spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: wondering about the timetable in Hulk filming Rocky three throughout
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one. And I would like to think in
Speaker 1: our next clip here from the Minneapolis Tribune November third,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, that Will Jones, who seems to be
Speaker 1: somewhat of a celebrity celebrity columnist for the paper in
Speaker 1: terms of he follows celebrities in their comings and goings
Speaker 1: would be a sot of truth for this because he's
Speaker 1: got some details that I don't think we necessarily have
Speaker 1: seen before about when and how Hulk shot the scenes.
Speaker 1: But he loses all credibility and sentence. Won Boss tell
Speaker 1: the people why got him? You've heard him called Terry Boleya.
Speaker 1: You've heard him called Terry the Hulk Boulder. You've heard
Speaker 1: him called Sterling Golden. You've heard him called the Hulk.
Speaker 4: Terry, Terry, Hulk Hogan. I have yet to hear him
Speaker 4: called Jim until now.
Speaker 1: Jim Hogan. Jim open parenthesis, incredible Hulk, close parenthesis Hogan.
Speaker 1: The article begins, Ah, Jim Hogan, Jim, we would not
Speaker 1: be here today without Jim Hogan. Well, no, if he
Speaker 1: were called Jim Hogan, No, I think we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: here without Jim Hogan. I don't know who Jim Hogan is,
Speaker 1: but oh that's true. I'm I'm I'm willing to bet
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't be here without him. They had what
Speaker 1: the fuck Hulk, Jim Hogan, He wouldn't have become wrestling
Speaker 1: fans Who fucking thought that was a good idea? This
Speaker 1: guy called him, who said, Hogan, Who said, you know what,
Speaker 1: this guy's name has got to be Jim. There's no way,
Speaker 1: there's no way he's not a gem. So let that
Speaker 1: be a sign that as much as these articles make
Speaker 1: us think that Hulk was kind of like approaching household
Speaker 1: named status around Rocky three and becoming a huge baby
Speaker 1: face star in the wa the Fucking Minneapolis Tribute and
Speaker 1: calls him Jim Hogan and No. Number eighty one.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yamas Hogan, Okay, I don't care, Yamas Hogan, the
Speaker 4: Incredible Yamas Hogan six foot sixth sixty pound professional restaurant
Speaker 4: part time minute in Minneapolis. Resident returned to town last
Speaker 4: week from Hollywood after finishing final dialogue looping for his
Speaker 4: halty role in sol Vester Stallone's newest movie, rock and three.
Speaker 4: So what is dialogue looping? Okay? So dialogue looping, another
Speaker 4: term for it is a dr and what that is
Speaker 4: is basically, I'll tell you what. The last time I
Speaker 4: definitely know the time we did talk about it under
Speaker 4: the cinemam was when we did Premonition, because I was
Speaker 4: I witnessed some audio dialogue looping, which basically occurs when
Speaker 4: the live two things that to one of two things.
Speaker 4: At least one of two things could have happened. Number one,
Speaker 4: you're recording the sound and for some reason, the micro
Speaker 4: force is not in the right place, and the sound,
Speaker 4: it's just the dialogue sounds like shit, so you have
Speaker 4: to go into a studio and record it afterwards. Or
Speaker 4: the other one is you're in a for example, a
Speaker 4: windy you have to portray wind or any other kind
Speaker 4: of situation that we're acquire an incredible amount of noise.
Speaker 4: So basically the audio is just not usable because of
Speaker 4: all the other sounds that are happening. And if there's
Speaker 4: anything I know about filmmaking, it's all about control. You
Speaker 4: want to be able to control as many elements as
Speaker 4: you possibly can. And so in a situation like that,
Speaker 4: you might record the dialogue anyway, but you're going to
Speaker 4: replace all the background sound anyway, so you have to
Speaker 4: replace the dialogue as well. Specifically, think of wind scenes.
Speaker 4: If there's a scene that's happening that's very windy, you're
Speaker 4: not even actually hearing the wind. The wind is and
Speaker 4: calling its in the problem. The fact is, oftentimes there's
Speaker 4: a fucking fan blowing, there's a giant electric fan blowing
Speaker 4: and creating incredible amount of noise that isn't authentic to
Speaker 4: the scene, so you need to replace that. So you
Speaker 4: have to eliminate that audio, and in doing so, you're
Speaker 4: going to eliminate the dialogue. So you have to replace
Speaker 4: the dialogue by having actress come into a studio and
Speaker 4: try to sink and watch the footage and try to
Speaker 4: sync up the dialogue exactly, got it.
Speaker 1: So that's what he has done, apparently in the last
Speaker 1: week of October of nineteen eighty one. So we established,
Speaker 1: I think, to our satisfaction that he probably shot the
Speaker 1: scenes for Rocky three in May of nineteen eighty one
Speaker 1: on his way back from his spring to Nuchepan tour.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and dialogue looping and ADR stuff is definitely a
Speaker 4: post production thing because usually that's done after the fact
Speaker 4: because you're you're waiting to see what the final cut is.
Speaker 4: You're not going to go in and say, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: we want to use this shot and then waste people's
Speaker 4: time to come in for stuff that you're either you're
Speaker 4: not going to use or you're gonna say, you know what,
Speaker 4: we got to use something else instead. Anyway, we need
Speaker 4: to come back in for that. So you wait until
Speaker 4: I mean, at least in my experience, you wait until
Speaker 4: pictures locked and you're not gonna edit picture anymore. You
Speaker 4: know you're gonna leave. The visual cut is the same,
Speaker 4: is locked in, and so then you bring in actors
Speaker 4: to do me sort of looping or whatever.
Speaker 1: Love it, love it. So that's the final step in
Speaker 1: Hulk filming and doing this transformational role. And we have
Speaker 1: a timestamp. The November third, nineteen eighty one Minneapolis Tribune
Speaker 1: reporting that the week prior, Hulk Coogan had returned to
Speaker 1: his Minneapolis home after dialogue looping for his role in
Speaker 1: Rocky three.
Speaker 6: Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 2: He's a Lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack Ancrenassi.
Speaker 4: And Rocking Three. Hogan play is the World's Heavyweight Boxing Champion.
Speaker 4: Hogan plays the World's Heavyweight Boxing Champions.
Speaker 1: Guys on Fire. How does he have a job?
Speaker 4: What Will Jones about? After last night? Before last night,
Speaker 4: I wasn't Will Jones. After last night, I'm Will Jones.
Speaker 4: Before we know exactly what he was, I was Jim joking.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 4: All right? The boxing chat character known as Thunderlips the
Speaker 4: Ultimate Male. Soon as Hogan got back into town. He
Speaker 4: got another Hollywood call from a producer who wants him
Speaker 4: to play a bodyguard a new film about some Godfather type.
Speaker 4: That deal is still under negotiation. I don't know what
Speaker 4: he's talking about there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't know that one.
Speaker 1: I'm Will Jones, and I know Hollywood. I am Hollywood,
Speaker 1: Will Jones, reporting out of Minneapolis, reporting out of my mom.
Speaker 1: I know where he was that last night. He was
Speaker 1: at May Slacks, pounding aim back with Dusty and rock brawling.
Speaker 5: What what?
Speaker 1: But it's useful historically, but I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: useful in any other way. Don't you know that Rocky
Speaker 1: is the boxing champion in the Rocky franchise? How can
Speaker 1: you listen? I'm just this is what I was told.
Speaker 4: There's a boxing champion somewhere, and I'm gonna report about it.
Speaker 1: You may not have eyes on the match as far
Speaker 1: as video.
Speaker 4: Nickel and Diamond me all the way the whole time,
Speaker 4: and I just gotta do my job, as Will Jones.
Speaker 4: I'm a satisfactory individual.
Speaker 1: What satis? I've provised satisfaction with my news coverage and
Speaker 1: in my bedroom and in my curricular my extracurricular affairs
Speaker 1: that often recalled sexual penetration. That's why I call my
Speaker 1: call him after last night.
Speaker 4: After last night, I perform penetrable activities and a satisfactory nature.
Speaker 4: Will Jones the satisfactory.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't know what he called him, Jim Hogan. It
Speaker 1: was going to be his turn that he was that
Speaker 1: he was in trouble. Well, how are you called Halt
Speaker 1: Hogan Jim Hogan in an article one time?
Speaker 4: Do you remember when you fucking called also you called
Speaker 4: his character in Rocky three the boxing champion?
Speaker 1: You dumb fuck? Well, maybe maybe Jim ketches in up
Speaker 1: at the Winnipeg Sun will do us one better. He's
Speaker 1: got a on Hulk and Andre versus Blackwell at Donnison
Speaker 1: those fucking glasses. Jesus Christ. He still somehow misses the
Speaker 1: forest for the trees, doesn't he?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: He does. What up in Winnipeg they're running Hogan and
Speaker 1: Andre as a team and November fifth, nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: Jim Ketchison takes to the pages of The Winnipeg Son
Speaker 1: to chronicle what he's seeing.
Speaker 4: Him Jim Ketcheson with the forehead of the of the
Speaker 4: of the Generation.
Speaker 1: Do you think Ketchessin's his middle name and his last
Speaker 1: name is as as catch cannon as Cannison catches catch Cannison.
Speaker 4: Yeah you got, yeah, Yeah, go ahead. Try.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, is it? Because it's there. You can
Speaker 1: see the word Ketcherson as catch Canniskin. There you go, yes,
Speaker 1: almost caniskin. He said cannis skin.
Speaker 4: At the end.
Speaker 1: How about Ketchison as Cannison catch as catch Cannason as
Speaker 1: catch Cannison?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Is it a fucking idiot? Smile? He has?
Speaker 4: Nice to him?
Speaker 1: He did nothing wrong, He did everything wrong. He woke up,
Speaker 1: didn't he? Bruh.
Speaker 4: A double man event headlines the AWA Pro Wrestling card
Speaker 4: Thursday Night of the winnip Big Arena. The first half
Speaker 4: features a handicap cat team match between five hundred three
Speaker 4: pound Jerry Blackwell, An Adonis and Jesse Ventur and.
Speaker 12: I guess.
Speaker 1: There ain't let.
Speaker 4: The first half features a handicapped mask tag team match
Speaker 4: between five hundred three pounds Jerry Blackwell, Adrian and Donnas
Speaker 4: and Jerry vent.
Speaker 1: Was he fucking like film noir? Private Eye? Jerry Ventura
Speaker 1: InVID you to consider a world not wear a halt
Speaker 1: Hogan and Jesse Ventura going around the horn and an
Speaker 1: arm wrestling challenge, But in fact, Jim Hogan and Jerry
Speaker 1: Ventura lock it up.
Speaker 4: I told you listen. All I can tell you is
Speaker 4: I hear, I hear cash registers going fucking nuts.
Speaker 1: One sells twenty five thousand tickets, the other one sells
Speaker 1: twenty five You tell me which one is. Jerry Ventura.
Speaker 1: Jerry Ventura sounds like a shop steward. Honestly read the
Speaker 1: brothers Jesse and Jerry Ventura. The Ventura brothers, Jesse and Jerry.
Speaker 1: How do you see Jesse the body and come away
Speaker 1: and your note books?
Speaker 4: As Jerry and Jerry Ventura umm against the two biggest
Speaker 4: men in wrestling. The six foot eight, three hundred and
Speaker 4: eight fucking keep increasing his weight.
Speaker 1: I think, Larry, I think Jerry Blackwell, if I'm to
Speaker 1: believe these news articles, has gained sixty pounds in a month.
Speaker 1: He's gained sixty pounds. I mean that's bad.
Speaker 4: Hogan gains twenty pounds every month. Right six foot eight,
Speaker 4: He's shrunk. He shrunk an inch and gained forty pounds
Speaker 4: since the last article. It's always been a freak shell.
Speaker 4: Six foot eight, three hundred and eighty pound Hulk Hogan
Speaker 4: and partner Andre the Giant, who stands seven foot four
Speaker 4: and weighs four hundred eighty two pounds. In the finale,
Speaker 4: champion Nick Bockwinkle will be cast in the unfamiliar role
Speaker 4: of crowd favorite when he lays his heavyweight crowned line
Speaker 4: against the hated chic at Non El Casey Edd Casey
Speaker 4: strong Man, Ken Petera and Bobby Duncomb are returning. Patera,
Speaker 4: former Olympicwight Olympic Weightlifting champion, brother meets Tito Santana, while Duncum,
Speaker 4: formerly with the Saint Louis Cardinal Football team, takes on
Speaker 4: British Empire champ Billy Robinson in a non title match.
Speaker 4: In other matches, Jim Brunzel won half of the World
Speaker 4: Tag Team Championship, meets Montreal's Rene Goulay and Laurel Succi
Speaker 4: tangles with Dizzy Ed Boulder. Tickets for the card, which
Speaker 4: begin at eight pm, are available at all the regular outlets.
Speaker 4: I gotta know did Jerry win, but we're gonna find out.
Speaker 4: Nick Bockwinkle retained his ABA Pro Wrestling World Championship title
Speaker 4: Thursday night, but he didn't win his match against chic
Speaker 4: ad Non l case Backwinkel, who sustained to cutover his
Speaker 4: right eye, was disqualified for ramming the Sheikh's head into
Speaker 4: the ring post. With almost eight thousand fans in the
Speaker 4: Winnipeg Arena roaring for more, most of the fight took
Speaker 4: place on the timekeeper's table. Both wrestlers were covered in
Speaker 4: blood when it ended. The special main event, Hulk Hogan
Speaker 4: on and under the Giant didn't have too much trouble
Speaker 4: in disposing of Jerry Blackwell, Adrian Donnis and Jerry Ventura.
Speaker 4: He said it again and again.
Speaker 1: He said it.
Speaker 4: Again twice, so it's like he didn't fucking mess up.
Speaker 4: He doubled down and honest. Inventura vacated the ring a
Speaker 4: little early, leaving Blackwell at.
Speaker 1: The mercy.
Speaker 4: Of the Hulk and the Giant. Ken Paterra, with a
Speaker 4: big assist from his manager, Bobby Heenan defeated Tito Santana,
Speaker 4: but Santana got his licks in a little later, dropping
Speaker 4: both his opponent and Heenan. Bobby Duncan was disqualified for
Speaker 4: throwing Billy Robinson over the top rope in their match.
Speaker 4: In preliminary bouts, Jim Brenzel defeated Rene Gulay and Laurent
Speaker 4: Sushi was similarly successful against Dizzy Ed Boulder. The next
Speaker 4: card is for December third.
Speaker 1: Wow, what coverage up there? The reporter Oshkosh, Wisconsin. November
Speaker 1: sixth is the show. The print ad hits the paper.
Speaker 1: October twenty eighth, There's Thunderlips, There's andre There's Blackwell. Main
Speaker 1: event tag team match, andre the Giant for sixty four
Speaker 1: France The Incredible Hulkogan three forty Venice Beach taking on
Speaker 1: Jerry Blackwell, Jesse the Body, Ventura and Adrian No Andrean
Speaker 1: Andrean Golden Boy. Is there a single fucking ad that
Speaker 1: has everyone's name spelled right? A single one in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: A single one. I've actually thought it's an Andrean Golden Bot,
Speaker 1: but it is boy.
Speaker 4: But yeah, its like a tea. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: this pathetic.
Speaker 1: This is like a yes, like someone's making money off
Speaker 1: of this, like gambling on whether there's going to be
Speaker 1: a Spellings. Just don't fucking care. Starting to make me
Speaker 1: not care, honestly. November seventh to eighth, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: Giant Hulk tandem wins. This is the outcome up there
Speaker 1: in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. The tag team of Andre the Giant
Speaker 1: and the Incredible Hulk Hogan defeated a three man team
Speaker 1: of Jerry Blackwell, Jesse the Body, Ventura and Adria A
Speaker 1: d Ria, Golden Boy and Donnas during an all star
Speaker 1: wresting card Friday night at the Lord's Academy Gymnasium. The
Speaker 1: winning team posted the victory with a pen with twenty
Speaker 1: three ten gone in the bout with a crowd of
Speaker 1: approximately eighteen hundred.
Speaker 4: It's just wrestling.
Speaker 1: No one fucks actly, so let's repeat the mistake.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Look, it's not their real name anyway, right, We have
Speaker 4: fucking fucking phonies anyway, So who gives a shit?
Speaker 1: Next I'll tell you what. Next time, I'll put James
Speaker 1: Genos in the paper. If it means that much to you.
Speaker 1: Next time, just don't fight. Why are we fucking writing
Speaker 1: about this?
Speaker 3: Stuff?
Speaker 5: Is right?
Speaker 1: It's nice. Why are we writing about stuff that isn't real?
Speaker 1: How is something that isn't right?
Speaker 12: Enough?
Speaker 1: About the front page news? How is it nos if
Speaker 1: it isn't real? Wow, where's my mom? That's a better
Speaker 1: slogan than all the news that's fit to print. I
Speaker 1: think the time's ought to consider it. How do we
Speaker 1: know it's news if it's not real.
Speaker 4: How do we know it's news if it's not real.
Speaker 1: Another match is Bobby heenon pig Bucks Off eighteen ten
Speaker 1: Chica and OKC, Pentito Santana and twenty one ten and
Speaker 1: Billy Robinson won by DQ over Bobby Duncan dun d
Speaker 1: u n c A N Civic Center Battle of the
Speaker 1: Super Giants. It's two against three. November eighth, nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one is the date, and there you see Hulk Cogan
Speaker 1: and Andre versus Blackwell, Ventor and Adonnas. That is the
Speaker 1: program they're taking around the Horn. Minneapolis Tribute November ninth,
Speaker 1: Hulk Cogan and Andre the Giant defeated Jerry Blackwell, Jesse
Speaker 1: Ventura and Adrianadonnas in the main event of a professional
Speaker 1: wrestling card at the Saint Paul Civic Center Sunday. And
Speaker 1: other matches they just keep it straightforward, don't they. Thank
Speaker 1: God you want to Reduncam into qualification. The Sheik defeated
Speaker 1: Buck Zumhoff, Tito Santana defeated renegul A Lorenzusi defeated Ed
Speaker 1: Boulder and Billy Robinson and Ken Petera were in fact
Speaker 1: counted out. Let's finally see it. Remember eighth, nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one Saint Paul Civics Center. Hulk Hogan teams with Andre
Speaker 1: the Giant in an A W A ring to take
Speaker 1: on Jerry Blackwell, Jesse Ventura and Adrian ADONNAS three two
Speaker 1: one play let us feast. Latter were losing their fucking shit.
Speaker 1: Holden's attacking Blackwell, who's.
Speaker 12: Tied up in the room.
Speaker 1: I might be tried guard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Irick Web, I'm in a back boart of a hawk,
Speaker 5: huge boot.
Speaker 1: A black Whell doesn't leave his feet on the big boot.
Speaker 1: That's that's significant. When Hulking first starts throwing the boot,
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily knock people down, but the corner, but
Speaker 1: the right hand finally knocks down a big Georgia boil.
Speaker 1: Look at Andre, that boss. Look at the sea guys,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make children. It comes to Donnaz to break
Speaker 1: it up, and Andre gets in with the bad ankle
Speaker 1: and all and sprints across the ring and lunging.
Speaker 12: At an I don't avoided. And at night.
Speaker 1: I hear the fever pitch in the same pacific because
Speaker 1: Andrei trying to keep interference at Hogan, Chik and Jerry
Speaker 1: Blackwell like a madman across the middle Road.
Speaker 12: He played the part of big Foot in six Million
Speaker 12: Dollar Man?
Speaker 1: Did you know that past season?
Speaker 12: Curry?
Speaker 1: What Andre played big Foot in the six million Dollar Feeling?
Speaker 12: He is like I Bread Great big Bill walk.
Speaker 1: Six million dollar An. Hogan had to wind up big
Speaker 1: right back, takes the bulb again. Jesus Christ as a
Speaker 1: he moon salts off the right hand.
Speaker 12: Black Well gurn turtle.
Speaker 1: Turn turtle. Roger Kent says, is it Roger Kent, I
Speaker 1: think it is ring an answer, and I.
Speaker 5: Had Buddy Krum's over there and rank in the day
Speaker 5: robes and home in his days. I don't think he's
Speaker 5: in gregarious country right now. Bacon double cripple came. He's
Speaker 5: gotten rid of the giants.
Speaker 1: Go around to Cring to help out all the red
Speaker 1: of the other corner the team Hogan Giant. Andrei's completely
Speaker 1: disregarding the tag rope.
Speaker 6: He's all over.
Speaker 1: They love it, Andre giving Chase, reaching lunging Jesse.
Speaker 11: Is he going the giant stepping over the ropes to.
Speaker 1: Chase check him and tour on the floor. Meanwhile, back
Speaker 1: in the ring back while the holds Hogan in place,
Speaker 1: and they got it time the Donas rings an elbow
Speaker 1: off the top rope. Another one writes left from Adonis,
Speaker 1: Jack and the child halt, but he's not coming.
Speaker 5: Down, okay, Darky almost fashion the time that I.
Speaker 1: Had, uh oh help, he's about to no sell losing it.
Speaker 1: Dag Off Baca snatches over the ropes again.
Speaker 5: And Andre a giant coming in trying to help him out.
Speaker 12: He nailed a donish.
Speaker 9: And say one.
Speaker 12: He's shagging me for it.
Speaker 11: Brother, Oh, Johnny Bayan.
Speaker 1: Shagging hoop brother Johnnyvalliant and Hogan.
Speaker 5: Manager Hogan and there's a karate thrush right up bros.
Speaker 1: Still in November, Johnny Valliant still around, that's.
Speaker 11: Absurd and got him with bos crossed in, crushed.
Speaker 1: The throat by Ventur, puts defensive, Adrian landing, ah if
Speaker 1: you will. From the opening again, Andre doing a tour
Speaker 1: of the circumference of the ring.
Speaker 12: And Hog I'm just scraping away.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 9: Being was back.
Speaker 1: Why the I saw Hogan, Andre feeding and w w
Speaker 1: F in nineteen eighty I didn't think we're getting to
Speaker 1: a place where, yeah, Hogan is going to feed Andre
Speaker 1: the hot tag. That's Valiant, It's got the house mic
Speaker 1: and he's leaving him. Tell you, I'm I'm I'm stunned
Speaker 1: with these value family. I know, just a total baby
Speaker 1: face manager. Now like Oliver Humpert and k W W
Speaker 1: the hull in the proper tren hawk of the sant Plisaic.
Speaker 1: Hogan decks back over the corner. Andrew gets the tag,
Speaker 1: but I get the referee side and well Adonna's climbs
Speaker 1: the right wings, not an US handle on Hogan.
Speaker 5: The referee was shagging Andre to Giant, back to.
Speaker 1: It, shogging again.
Speaker 11: A lot of came out the top rope.
Speaker 1: Back well, the huge splash across the chest cover to
Speaker 1: Hogan kicks out. What an atmosphere in these bolting Hogan
Speaker 1: A W A Cross were serious.
Speaker 6: I they know what they're giving.
Speaker 1: I believe that.
Speaker 12: I'm now going to him.
Speaker 1: I listen to her drives him at the corner, but
Speaker 1: he's triple teamed.
Speaker 12: You see what's happening here. The tag is going to
Speaker 12: be a BA.
Speaker 5: Hogan has been absorbing if commands, patting the hands of
Speaker 5: three men.
Speaker 4: Holdan look at him.
Speaker 11: B crap kick black kickball DNAs.
Speaker 12: Holding may On. His win.
Speaker 1: Out of the corner is reversed a Donnas, it's the buckle, I.
Speaker 5: Thought, so he put his brakes on in the corner.
Speaker 1: Doddre You're going to the don Sun.
Speaker 9: And I'm rather giant in there.
Speaker 1: Dropping on the lights, goes Adonis.
Speaker 9: Black Down, a team actual from the Legends of All
Speaker 9: Star Wrestling. Right after this.
Speaker 13: Break of them to the Legends of All Star Wrestling.
Speaker 11: Now let's get down to the ring for this great
Speaker 11: take team action.
Speaker 12: Adna's is gonna get.
Speaker 1: Madonna's sent for the ride by Andre off the top rope.
Speaker 5: Around.
Speaker 1: I was right, Jerry black.
Speaker 5: And a rapparator rather than the giant crabs other day back.
Speaker 1: Jimmy step intour by the Beard bring him over for
Speaker 1: a log and a Hogan socks him in the face and.
Speaker 11: Saw what happened, Yes, yes, you did hurt.
Speaker 1: All the knocker. Aldonnas goes Thory sixty and ties his
Speaker 1: arms up in the ropes pack, flipping. What a fucking troll.
Speaker 1: Then Blackwell is whipped by entry into the Pronadonnas crushing
Speaker 1: absolute Panamanian is Hure sits down on the Panamion.
Speaker 9: End the third bock out, Hey by the rangam.
Speaker 1: Sling shots of donnas from the apron into the ring
Speaker 1: the hard way. Andre the giant firmly in the driver's seat.
Speaker 1: It dropped down down kicks the giant.
Speaker 12: Dead man was way. He brought back body drop. I
Speaker 12: just saw that. Where's the double sledge from Black would.
Speaker 1: Another one and rolling around in the mouth.
Speaker 11: You know he is.
Speaker 1: Logan on the reds back. Then tore his end, laying
Speaker 1: in cheap shots and boots.
Speaker 11: To the giant.
Speaker 12: The boot to the giant.
Speaker 1: Andre, chance a nice.
Speaker 6: Ram Andre Andre.
Speaker 12: I'm ray he's getting his tracks back. He's got his
Speaker 12: bones together.
Speaker 1: He's got his bones together, the side bones. He took
Speaker 1: him down with a single leg. Andrew looks to the
Speaker 1: people like, shout, I get a dome bum down. He
Speaker 1: drops an elbow across the knee of the body.
Speaker 9: God die.
Speaker 12: Blackwell Man, and he goes.
Speaker 9: Oh no, no no.
Speaker 1: He single legs black Wack Ogan, urging Andre from the apron,
Speaker 1: making the crushing sign with his arms, and right.
Speaker 12: Down on the way.
Speaker 5: One hundred eighty five per arm. He made a pancake
Speaker 5: out of him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna eat it.
Speaker 12: He almost see Black w platting out.
Speaker 1: There Andrey sits on Dackwell's face three times in succession.
Speaker 1: Just come on, get up, and Jento just looks out
Speaker 1: on the Adorance loongs. What are reaction?
Speaker 12: And I nailed the giant.
Speaker 5: By Blackwell ship trying to shake their cobwebs, brumber his head.
Speaker 12: And understand to come up for Blackwell.
Speaker 1: Here comes Blackwell held in place. Was Andre for the
Speaker 1: big splash again? Okay, Johnny, I mean seriously, calm the
Speaker 1: fuck down brow again, King Kong Bundy Avalanche splash wrestling
Speaker 1: in the two vibes. Yeah, you're gonna double supplex Andre Adonis.
Speaker 11: At Blackwell double body slab.
Speaker 1: You got the big man up covered by adonas only
Speaker 1: two Andrea the power cuckouts.
Speaker 5: Pank of a time he almost threw a Donnas glor
Speaker 5: A ring group from the bar.
Speaker 12: Man cat up. Let's it do that?
Speaker 1: Giant hung by then tour on giant.
Speaker 12: Guys, God, big guy six six six seven.
Speaker 1: I just strong the bell over the top of the floor.
Speaker 11: Oh my god, you what I mean about the body Ice?
Speaker 1: The body of Ice.
Speaker 12: MONREI administered.
Speaker 1: Right outside the bear hug with a bright.
Speaker 12: Man. What's happening? The strength of this big.
Speaker 1: I'm desperately reaching for the tag.
Speaker 12: Thirty one year old dies.
Speaker 5: From behind his Blackwell in there the ref where he's
Speaker 5: got his hands full. Five minutes, keep drag him.
Speaker 11: Black Man with the bear hug and the bear.
Speaker 5: Hug or the body of ice, if you will, my
Speaker 5: black while who is very strong, all of these men,
Speaker 5: and they are strong, but he's awfully strong underneath that
Speaker 5: that exterior, and he's quick.
Speaker 1: Oh sight twenty eight the tag can we go?
Speaker 12: Incredible? How comes then?
Speaker 1: Had hands on anything that moves, whips Blackwell into Ventura
Speaker 1: and that tells a slam and it's breaking down.
Speaker 12: Blackwell attle, this dame.
Speaker 11: To this stone, that Roger Audio.
Speaker 1: But to Blackwell, he's stumbling around the ring like a
Speaker 1: drunk Well and Hogan sends a Donis into black Bell.
Speaker 1: Yes he is, Roger incredible, set up for the slam
Speaker 1: and they know it. Who the else?
Speaker 4: Oh flash book doesn't?
Speaker 11: Why?
Speaker 1: What's it? I love that he's slamming his dogs back up?
Speaker 1: How about another?
Speaker 6: Huh?
Speaker 1: Minds up the right hand?
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, what a fun takes the.
Speaker 1: Huge bump tags into Donnis, Hogan on him, shoots.
Speaker 12: Adonas off the red and right into vat guard.
Speaker 1: Hogan slams a Donnaslab shoots him into the boot of Andrea.
Speaker 12: That foot a god.
Speaker 1: Donna's are pumping, son of a bitch, here comes Andre
Speaker 1: Hogan drops the weird off the.
Speaker 5: Play leg smashbor God, who it's over.
Speaker 1: It's a Hogan pins a Donna's.
Speaker 12: Incredible honk hogandn it.
Speaker 5: Come out of sussist from on reading Giant.
Speaker 12: What they did do the black bow and it kept
Speaker 12: him away? No that Kredama? Howkan in head van do
Speaker 12: here were wars right? All the hot and I'm red
Speaker 12: a giant.
Speaker 1: Night in November. Guard Rafter the bellmentor ambush's Hogan.
Speaker 12: Johnny Valiant kicks their head buck.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 12: The Giant Giant are left the ring.
Speaker 1: Area Andres exited. They double bought us that whole body
Speaker 1: slab the Black's gonna splash Hulk Donald for Andres finally
Speaker 1: getting back in the ring Big cup black Wow, and
Speaker 1: tell how Andres lumbering round post office or room.
Speaker 12: Ye all draft back guard.
Speaker 1: Just falls in the direction that was supposed to runs.
Speaker 5: That name.
Speaker 12: And all back Bloom breaks float.
Speaker 1: Having chase again.
Speaker 11: At that wearing the nursing injuries.
Speaker 1: Andre the Giant left for right, having to run the
Speaker 1: three off re enters the ring.
Speaker 12: He was Attack a lab.
Speaker 6: Fall wrestling podcast.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Corn
Speaker 2: and j P Sooro.
Speaker 1: And Hulk Cogaan and Andre the Giant Friends to the
Speaker 1: end standing Touch's crazy in the same pal cific center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you make? What do you
Speaker 1: make of just the atmosphere of these Hogan I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's just electric.
Speaker 4: I mean again, we talk about react like Hogan and
Speaker 4: Andre was a WWE thing, like it was a special thing,
Speaker 4: and it's not. It's special all over the place. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that is a derogatory thing. I'm saying that
Speaker 4: as just a just a fact. Everyone gets a taste.
Speaker 1: Everyone gets a taste, and it's wild. It's absolutely wild
Speaker 1: to hear people react that way. I feel myself needing
Speaker 1: it quite frankly. Yeah, you know, for sure, it's just
Speaker 1: I want so much more of Hogan working magic in
Speaker 1: the AWA and hearing the crowds pick up on it.
Speaker 1: But at last we must move to November eleventh, Alma
Speaker 1: Hunter Rask at the Civic Auditorium Backwinklin Baron von Rashki.
Speaker 1: In the main event, Jerry blackwel verus Hulk Cogan with
Speaker 1: the Thunderlips hat on underneath. It's Wednesday, November eleventh, bus
Speaker 1: what went down? You can skip What's gonna happen tonight.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the results there in the bottom right.
Speaker 4: Sure Blackwinkle retains World Matt Crown at a qualification against
Speaker 4: Baron von Rashki Wednesday night All allowed Nick Bockwinkel to
Speaker 4: retain his World Wrestling Championship before and thirty nine at
Speaker 4: the City Auditorium. Von Rashki was qualified in nineteen twenty
Speaker 4: five of the match after he refused to break the
Speaker 4: claw hold he had on Backwinkle, who was on the
Speaker 4: outside of the ring. The other main event, Hulk Hogan
Speaker 4: beat Jerry Blackwell in seventeen sixteen. Other matches Ken peterra
Speaker 4: Big Bob Duncan defeated Billy Robinson Patt O'Connor in twenty
Speaker 4: six forty seven. Laurent Soussi defeated Ed Boulder in nineteen thirty.
Speaker 4: Next card December.
Speaker 1: Fifth, so Omaha's still working November twelfth. Back in Oakland,
Speaker 1: they're printing the picture of Andrea holding the four women
Speaker 1: on his arms. Andre the Giant is one among eighteen
Speaker 1: behemoths in a Wrestling Battle Royal Thursday, eight pm at
Speaker 1: the Oakland Coliseum Arena. The article reads, A Wrestling Battle
Speaker 1: Royal and Oakland eighteen Men Battle Royal will be held
Speaker 1: tomorrow at the Oakland Coliseum Arena along with five individual
Speaker 1: professional wrestling matches. Andre the Giant, Pepper Gomez and Pat
Speaker 1: Pattersoner three of the wrestler's scheduled to fight in the
Speaker 1: free for all of them, well, why are we talking
Speaker 1: about the pre show. The winner of the event will
Speaker 1: receive thirty fifty thousand dollars. Other matches on the card
Speaker 1: include Patterson versus Bobby Heena and Hulk Hogan versus Jesse
Speaker 1: Ventura in an arm wrestling match. So Hogan and Jesse
Speaker 1: bringing the arm wrestling program to Oakland as well.
Speaker 4: Here's a Cup.
Speaker 1: November fifteenth, nineteen eighty one, Green Bay chikadat ol KC
Speaker 1: defeated Nick Bockwinkle on a disqualification in the main event
Speaker 1: of a four card professional wrestling meet Meet It says
Speaker 1: meet at the Brown County Veterans Meorial Arena before fourteen
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight persons not fans, not people, person
Speaker 1: persons Sunday. This is from the Green Bay Prescazette on
Speaker 1: November sixteenth of nineteen eighty one. Says Bockwinkle retained his
Speaker 1: championship because the title does not change hands on a
Speaker 1: disqualification and other matches. Hulk Hogan pinned Jesse Ventura, so
Speaker 1: there's a straight one on one match as we speculated
Speaker 1: right there, pinned Wild and Lawrence Sussi pinned Johnny Valliant,
Speaker 1: So Johnny Valiant getting in there in wrestling as well
Speaker 1: as cheerleading on the house mic for Hulk Hogan. The
Speaker 1: tag team is Ken Petera and Bobby Duncan also beat
Speaker 1: Billy Robinson and Renee Gula when Petera pinned Gulay. Look
Speaker 1: what it is, Boss, November twenty first, nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: Chicago International Amphitheater. What's Verne calling this card?
Speaker 4: I'm just.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Hey there it is wrestling Super Bowl seven, Wrestling
Speaker 1: waper Bowl seven. So he's only done it.
Speaker 4: He's done it seven times and he's not willing to
Speaker 4: admit it. Uh yeah, fine, about time we have the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl of the of the leagues.
Speaker 1: Apparently some promoter somewhere in the ABA circuit was doing
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl just about every years. Somebody in the
Speaker 1: AWA was doing one. And I know when I see
Speaker 1: super Bowl, I think a hul Coganho's right there, yep,
Speaker 1: Jim Breunzel and Greg Gania who are also pictured.
Speaker 4: Greg guy, you look like Greg Brady and more just
Speaker 4: a fucking bobby. How do you fucking even put him
Speaker 4: in the right next to Hulk Hogan who looks like
Speaker 4: a fucking money money movie star. And Greg Brady looks like,
Speaker 4: you know, a substitute math teacher. It looks like a
Speaker 4: Jaguar salesman. Oh wait he does.
Speaker 1: Ah, there's a ticket from the Super Bowl card at
Speaker 1: the International Amphitheater. So yeah, they would run these super Bowls.
Speaker 1: They would have a Hall of Fame ceremony apparently with
Speaker 1: Yukon Cholat coming through and Spike Huber, who was I
Speaker 1: think Dick the Bruiser's son in law, I think it was.
Speaker 1: Then you have the souvenir programs and it says sound
Speaker 1: films are going to be displayed. So yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing with a Hall of Fame induction.
Speaker 1: I never even heard of this before. Main Event number
Speaker 1: one was Bockwinkle versus Billy Robinson for the ANBA title.
Speaker 1: Main Event number two Tag titles, Greg Ganye and Jim
Speaker 1: Brinzel versus Peterra and Big Bad Bobby Duncan. Main Event three,
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars Challenger match Hulk Hogan versus Jerry Blackwell.
Speaker 1: That's got to be the Body Slam Challenge. Also, the
Speaker 1: World Tag Team Down is ww A. That was Dick
Speaker 1: the Bruiser's Indianapolis based promotion. Part You could say of
Speaker 1: the AWA the Kelly Twins, Pat and Mike versus Dick
Speaker 1: the Bruiser and Wilbur Snyder plus Blackjack Mulligan versus Bobo Brazil,
Speaker 1: it says there is.
Speaker 4: Miss the special tat Attraction revenge match.
Speaker 1: Oh what's that? Verne Gagney and oh my god, Donnis
Speaker 1: and they're missing the e on the end of Verne too. Yes,
Speaker 1: they are so Vern stepping back in the ring for
Speaker 1: this super Bowl quality card Blackjack Mulligan versus Bobo Brazil.
Speaker 1: And yes, in parenthesis it does say after Brazil's name,
Speaker 1: Famous Black Superstar Outstanding matchup Mexican superstar Tito Santana versus
Speaker 1: Jesse the Body Ventura, and in the exciting opening event
Speaker 1: it'll be Bobby the brainhen and versus Young superstar Spike Hubert.
Speaker 1: All matches are sanctioned by and under the supervision of
Speaker 1: the State Athletic Board. And that is a huge show
Speaker 1: right there. That Hulk was in fact a part of
Speaker 1: Super Bowl of Wrestling nineteen eighty one. Well, Jesse is
Speaker 1: going around the horn arm wrestling Hogan to limited success.
Speaker 1: And so on November twenty second, nineteen eighty one, he
Speaker 1: took to the airwaves on AWA Television and visited with
Speaker 1: Gene Okerland to express all that's going on with him
Speaker 1: and Hogan, and it's a bit of a time Capsule
Speaker 1: three two one play.
Speaker 14: Wrestling fans. I've watched this native of San Diego, California.
Speaker 14: He is Jesse the Body Ventura. He is two hundred
Speaker 14: and sixty two pounds, and I've watched your career, mister Ventura,
Speaker 14: over the past five or six years. And of course
Speaker 14: everybody very much aware of the fact that you teamed
Speaker 14: up Rudna south of New York City and a couple
Speaker 14: of years back as a tag team.
Speaker 13: You were fortunate enough to pick up the World Tag Team.
Speaker 14: Championships, subsequently carrying those belts around for well over a
Speaker 14: year and then dethroned recently. This is a matter of fact,
Speaker 14: Gold last year by none other than the high flyers
Speaker 14: of Greg Ganyan Jim Brunzel. However, Jesse Ventura, for the
Speaker 14: most part, you've had your way over the past few years.
Speaker 14: There is a young man that has entered the AWA
Speaker 14: very impressively, and that is none other than the incredible
Speaker 14: Hulk Coogan, the man who I think could truly test
Speaker 14: your strength.
Speaker 1: Oh, he'll test my strength, but the body will prevail me.
Speaker 11: And Jean, let's talk about other stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll get to this arm wrestling.
Speaker 11: I'll get to what how Cogan wants.
Speaker 15: To do with the body, and that is break arms
Speaker 15: with the strongest arm and wrestling. The man is gonna
Speaker 15: get embarrassed. But first I want to say this. You know,
Speaker 15: very close by here in Saint Paul, Minnesota, a few
Speaker 15: weeks back, the Rolling Stones were in town.
Speaker 1: They were good friends of mine.
Speaker 15: And let me tell you mean, Gene and all you
Speaker 15: people out there, Rick Jagger, Keith Richards and Ron Wood
Speaker 15: called up the Body and says, buddy, we need you
Speaker 15: to bodyguard us.
Speaker 11: We need you to announce us.
Speaker 4: So that's what I did.
Speaker 15: I was the announcer and the head bodyguard for the
Speaker 15: Rolling Stones.
Speaker 13: You were the announcer for the Rolling Zone announcer Jack.
Speaker 15: And let me tell you this, they didn't ask one
Speaker 15: the Hull Cogan. They didn't ask Greg Jim.
Speaker 1: I know they didn't. That's Jesse the Body Ventura. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no shit about that.
Speaker 14: Take a look at this paper right there, right there,
Speaker 14: all right, Everyone from wrestlers to guitar salesman got in
Speaker 14: on the Stones' actions. Saturday night, Jesse the Body Ventura
Speaker 14: All Star wrestler recently featured, by the way, in this
Speaker 14: particular publication, canceled I'm atch Chicago, Illinois to introduce the Rolling.
Speaker 13: Stones at the Saint Paul Civic Center.
Speaker 15: There it is.
Speaker 11: You better be impressed, Hogan.
Speaker 15: You're gonna be impressed when the body latches onto your
Speaker 15: pencil on so.
Speaker 1: Long way. He's bragging somehow he got on stage during
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones concert, right, and apparently that's going to
Speaker 1: be elt Cogan's cross to bear. But that's uh, that's
Speaker 1: the mode of Jesse Ventura. Here in nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: All Star Wrestling No. Number twenty fifth, Fargo, North Dakota.
Speaker 1: Thanks It's Giving Day spectacular drinking in the fine folks
Speaker 1: of Fargo could come out and see incredib hul Cogan
Speaker 1: three hundred twenty seven pounds versus Jerry Blackwell three hundred
Speaker 1: eighty six. He lost one hundred and eighty pounds since
Speaker 1: the Winnipeg show. In the Battle of the Giants. Also
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving Day, Bobby Duncan and Ken Peterra versus Teito
Speaker 1: Santana and Billy Robinson, Jim High Flyer, Brunzo versus Chika
Speaker 1: don okc and Pop Rock and Roll Zoomhoff versus Ed
Speaker 1: Boulder Working Thanksgiving nineteen eighty one, The Hulk with his
Speaker 1: nose to the grindstone. It's a Thanksgiving Night spectacular. It's
Speaker 1: also listed to hear the same Paul Civics Center. I
Speaker 1: don't know how he did both well. The other one
Speaker 1: was Wednesday night. They called it Thanksgiving, but it's Thanksgiving Eve,
Speaker 1: the actual proper Thanksgiving Night of nineteen eighty one, And man,
Speaker 1: am I gonna think about this this year? Saint Paul
Speaker 1: Civic Center, eight pm, Bell Time World Championship Bout. It
Speaker 1: was Nick Bockwinkel versus Hika don okc and a special
Speaker 1: event arm wrestling Hulk Cogan and Jesse Ventura right there
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving nineteen eighty one in the Territories Ladies Wrestling
Speaker 1: also as Judy Martin the Faces Joyce Grable, that amounted
Speaker 1: to something of a special attraction, as aw WA at
Speaker 1: that particular point in time did not have a ton
Speaker 1: of women's matches on the bill. Secret Scribes got us
Speaker 1: covered Boss in the remember twenty sixth, nineteen eighty one edition.
Speaker 1: Oh yes he does Thanksgiving And if you'd opened your
Speaker 1: sports page you would see the headline Turkeys to test
Speaker 1: their wings.
Speaker 4: Wally Carbo, your special Thanksgiving card tonight is one big turkey.
Speaker 4: Only one bout gets the Secret Scribes blood pumping. And
Speaker 4: it isn't even a real wrestling match. Well, not to
Speaker 4: break it to your pal, but there are no real wrestling.
Speaker 1: Matches go down that particular road.
Speaker 4: It's the arm wrestling contest between Hulk Hogan and Jesse
Speaker 4: the body of Ventura with his twenty two inch biceps.
Speaker 4: Ventura may be man enough to be Mick Jagger's bodyguard,
Speaker 4: but no way he uh but no way he can
Speaker 4: legitimately pin the six foot nine, three hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: pound a Hulk's arm left or right tonight at the
Speaker 4: Saint Paul Civic Center, But the Hulk had better watch
Speaker 4: out for Ventura's conniving cohorts, Adrian Adonis and Jerry Blackwell.
Speaker 4: I expect Johnny Valliant, Hogan's manager, will be an ample
Speaker 4: second pair of eyes for the Hulk. Tonight's main event
Speaker 4: is an uncalled for rematch between American Life Champion Nick
Speaker 4: Blockwinkle and the Dridge chic ad Non l Casey. The
Speaker 4: Sheik does not deserve this bout. He has lost twice
Speaker 4: to Backwinkle. The rivalry is dead. The Scribe suspects the
Speaker 4: Chik bribed Carbo with an oil well or or two
Speaker 4: to get this unnecessary rematch. He doesn't deserve this extra opportunity.
Speaker 4: He should be back in the Middle East counting as camels.
Speaker 4: It's fucking awful. Oh yeah, the championship match that should
Speaker 4: have arranged. That should have been arranged as backwinkling under
Speaker 4: the Giant, the seven foot four, four hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: five pound winner of the recent Battle Royal. The Scribe
Speaker 4: suspects Carbo is waiting to schedule that one for his
Speaker 4: Christmas card. It's a match not to be missed. That's right,
Speaker 4: and be surprised if the Christmas card also finds Ken
Speaker 4: Petera Bobby Duncan against tag team champs Greg Gagney, Jim Brenzel. Tonight,
Speaker 4: Petera and Duncan, who dubbed themselves the Black and Blue
Speaker 4: Express plan to bump and to bruce. I definitely know
Speaker 4: they plan to bump Billy Robinson and Tito Santana. With
Speaker 4: that Hurtle out of the way, the Black and Blue
Speaker 4: Express should earn a showdown with the champion high Flyers
Speaker 4: come Christmas. The night's tag match is nothing special. A
Speaker 4: more attractive bout literally infigured figuratively is a rare ladies
Speaker 4: tangle between veterans Judy Grable and champion Judy Martin. Joyce
Speaker 4: Grable and Judy Martin. Carbo always seems to bring the
Speaker 4: ladies to town for the holidays. The scribes specs Hill
Speaker 4: bring the midget wrestlers in for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: The other matches tonight are true turkeys. Does the Ed
Speaker 4: Polder versus Evan Johnson, Jerry Blackwell versus Jim Brenzell and
Speaker 4: Buck rock and roll zoomha versus Adrian madonnas.
Speaker 1: So a bit critical there was the scribe, but still
Speaker 1: giving us the information we need to enjoy Thanksgiving in
Speaker 1: the territories. Absolutely, I mean that was post Turkey and
Speaker 1: people went to that arm wrestling match with Ventura with
Speaker 1: stomachs full of Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Turkey and maybe a fucking Turkey sandwich in the hand.
Speaker 1: Is it had to be Purdue right that close to Yeah,
Speaker 1: just tremendous, tremendous stuff. That aw A had a Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: Night tradition. I didn't even really realize that we definitely
Speaker 1: covered Christmas in the territories, yes, aba in the past,
Speaker 1: but Thanksgiving to a tradition that Hulk Cogan finds himself
Speaker 1: fitting into and before he can even make that Thanksgiving sandwich,
Speaker 1: before he can even reach for the leftovers in the fridge,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know it, our hero is on the plane again. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's on the plane again. With Japan on the mind,
Speaker 1: we gotta ramp it up into a different gear every
Speaker 1: single time. I'm sorry, gotta get on the right frame
Speaker 1: of mind.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmmm boom humphm boom.
Speaker 1: Boom axe boom ba. So I guess the coming back
Speaker 1: because he hasn't crossed paths with Abdula yet, so that
Speaker 1: must have come out. If you flip forward, you'll see
Speaker 1: that Hogan brought his Rocky three Wow sequin jacket, a
Speaker 1: golden Rocky three sequin jacket with him on his way
Speaker 1: to Japan, wearing a Los Angeles Dodgers T shirt in
Speaker 1: the picture we're looking at but I think having had
Speaker 1: all aready arrived in Japan for the second Madison Square
Speaker 1: Garden Tag League. It was just a year ago in
Speaker 1: the first MSG Tag League that Hulkgin and Stan Hansen
Speaker 1: went to the finals as you recall, against Antonio and
Speaker 1: ok and Bob Backland, and Hogan was able to rub
Speaker 1: elbows in the Japanese rings with Dusty Rhodes, Backland and
Speaker 1: ok Andre the Giant for the first time, and it
Speaker 1: was something to behold. Just a year later, Hogan's back
Speaker 1: on November twenty ninth, he defeats Saijisaka Gucci in Fijo Ashida.
Speaker 1: November thirtieth, in Okazaki, Antonioki and Tatsumufujinami go to a
Speaker 1: double count out with Stan Hanson and Hulkogan. December first,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, at the Aichi Prefecttional Gym and Tonio
Speaker 1: and Ok once again defeats Hulkogen and we have tape
Speaker 1: November one. December second, eighty one, Killer Khan and Tiger
Speaker 1: Tagucci defeat Stan Hanson and Hulkogan by disqualification. What I
Speaker 1: believe to be For the final time. December third, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, Stan Hansen and Hulkogan team together and it's
Speaker 1: a double count out against Andre the Giant and Rene Gula.
Speaker 1: The final time the Hansen Hogan tag team.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: That is a bookend to our nineteen eighty one. Hogan,
Speaker 1: to conclude this leg of the journey has a message
Speaker 1: for us in the November nineteen eighty one issue of
Speaker 1: The Wrestler. You'll see it there. Hulk Hogan's about to
Speaker 1: take on a completely new meaning, not only in Japan
Speaker 1: but also in the United States, and as the hype
Speaker 1: ramps up for Rocky three. In his role in it,
Speaker 1: Hulk has a rather contradictory message for the wrestling world
Speaker 1: Jesus in contrast to the character he's portraying now in
Speaker 1: the AWA in New Japan. It's to all my love slaves.
Speaker 1: A letter from Hulkogan to all my love slaves and
Speaker 1: lifelong dedicated fans, You're true on crowned champion me isn't
Speaker 1: the best shape my career mentally and physically, I'm second
Speaker 1: to none and should be given the chance to prove
Speaker 1: that I'm capable of holding the WWE, aw A and
Speaker 1: n w A belts at the same time. Recently, I
Speaker 1: left the WWE area area to answer the cries of
Speaker 1: Hollywood's heavyweights to please accept a major role in a
Speaker 1: major film, Rocky three. You know, being the ultimate object
Speaker 1: of desire, you know, the molten mountain of lust and
Speaker 1: the undisputed champion of the world forced the world, forced
Speaker 1: Hollywood to use my services. Well, I see, you know,
Speaker 1: female friends piled up easily, and all of Hollywood immediately
Speaker 1: started to call me Thunderlips. You naturally I made Rocky
Speaker 1: three movie of the Year just by showing my body.
Speaker 1: Now all the world, you know, we'll get to see
Speaker 1: the ultimate male Hulk, Thunderlips Hogan destroy the former dream
Speaker 1: boy Rockins. So the real superhero of the eighties, Thunderlips
Speaker 1: is here to stay now every every day as a
Speaker 1: meaning you know, my fans and love slay it can
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing more and more of their superhero
Speaker 1: me on film TV and your local newsstand. Train like
Speaker 1: a savage Hulk thunderlips Hogan. That's interesting, Yeah, Train, maybe
Speaker 1: he said you say your prayer like at that, like
Speaker 1: a savage as well. I mean he's like a savage.
Speaker 1: He's getting there, isn't he?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah he is, he's getting there.
Speaker 1: It's all Uh, it's all starting to come together for
Speaker 1: hul Cogin. And with that, he's got to cast aside
Speaker 1: the the material that made him who he is, the
Speaker 1: the figures, the avatars of the prior era off Hulk
Speaker 1: Cogin got him to this point. But he's necessarily got
Speaker 1: to cut ties.
Speaker 5: With what.
Speaker 4: He said avatars.
Speaker 12: I got it.
Speaker 1: And then you think Ibada short sna when he.
Speaker 4: At the Oscars, he was or the Golden Globe. I remember,
Speaker 4: promoted like he was. He was announcing the when Avatar
Speaker 4: was nominated for Best Picture. Absolutely, he went up there,
Speaker 4: he was introducing it. You know how they do like
Speaker 4: a they show like a little clip show of of
Speaker 4: the of the nominative movies. Yes, and so he'd called
Speaker 4: it Avada.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, absolutely, brilliant,
Speaker 1: but one of the things Hulk had to learn he
Speaker 1: didn't just learn from stan Hansen. He learned about the
Speaker 1: business from Stan Hansen.
Speaker 12: Hm.
Speaker 1: They closed this episode of the completely return to stan
Speaker 1: Hanson's book The Last Outlaw. Yes, Abdullah the Butcher had
Speaker 1: made the jump from All Japan Pro Wrestling to New
Speaker 1: Japan Pro Wrestling, and it seemed like show, Hey, Giant
Speaker 1: Bob is legacy, long standing organization, a true cornerstone of
Speaker 1: what Puanasu meant, was about to hit the skids, and
Speaker 1: that New Japan was a to sun All Japan Pro
Speaker 1: Wrestling out of existence. But Stan Hansen assessed the landscape
Speaker 1: and realized that that wouldn't be the healthiest thing for
Speaker 1: the boys. He of course, was sitting on a tremendous
Speaker 1: fortune because of the nature of competition in Japanese pro
Speaker 1: wrestling between Enochi and Baba All Japan and New Japan,
Speaker 1: and he figured he'd rather keep that leverage open than
Speaker 1: watch it disintegrate. And Hulkogan, you better believe his comrade
Speaker 1: in arms and the New Japan Ring an organization his
Speaker 1: watching closely and taking notes. Hanson writes, now that Abdullah
Speaker 1: was with New Japan. Rumors began to circulate that All
Speaker 1: Japan was going to go out of business. Shinma even
Speaker 1: told me that it was just a matter of time
Speaker 1: until Baba's company faded folded. Rather, we didn't know for
Speaker 1: sure that All Japan was in trouble. We only knew
Speaker 1: what we were told by people like Shinma. In reality,
Speaker 1: New Japan's business increased about twenty percent after Abdullah came over,
Speaker 1: although some credit for the ups swinging business should probably
Speaker 1: be given to Setuus Sayama, who wrestled as Tiger Mask
Speaker 1: the popular Japanese manga comic book Hero. Sayama became a
Speaker 1: big star for New Japan and put their junior heavyweight
Speaker 1: wrestling division on the map. The thrust of the promotion, however,
Speaker 1: was always an oke in his opponents. When he came
Speaker 1: to the ring, the people always stood and chanted over
Speaker 1: and over inoke inoke innok. On the flip side, All
Speaker 1: Japan's business didn't suffer too badly. For the most part,
Speaker 1: their business remained relatively stable, and when it did decrease,
Speaker 1: it was by no more than five percent. Due to
Speaker 1: Abdullah's jump. However, they were looked at as the number
Speaker 1: two league by the newspapers, magazines, and fans. That caused
Speaker 1: me some concern handsome rites. For my first day in
Speaker 1: the business, I had been aware of how important competition
Speaker 1: was between wrestling companies. We all knew that if there
Speaker 1: was only one promotion, then the wrestlers would have no
Speaker 1: power at all. In Japan, that was more obvious than
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Isawo Yoshihara's International Wrestling Enterprise beforementioned iwe had
Speaker 1: gone out of business around this time, so I was
Speaker 1: very concerned learned about the future for All Japan. That fact, however,
Speaker 1: was one of the catalysts for convincing me to jump
Speaker 1: to All Japan. I was teaming up with Hogan most
Speaker 1: of the time, so we renewed our friendship. During that time,
Speaker 1: we talked openly to each other about our business, and
Speaker 1: we often voice our concerns about where we stood in
Speaker 1: the future plans of the company. A few weeks before
Speaker 1: Abdullah showed up, I had talked to Wala Yamaguchi, a
Speaker 1: reporter for the wrestling magazines. The boys referred to him
Speaker 1: as the Weasel. I don't know what his business dealings were,
Speaker 1: but he had deep relationships with both Anoki and Baba.
Speaker 1: He also was very close to Abdullah, so he might
Speaker 1: have acted as the go between for Abdullah a New Japan.
Speaker 1: He had a good command of the English language, so
Speaker 1: he could stooge quote unquote information from the gay Jinns
Speaker 1: to the Japanese and vice versa. For all I know,
Speaker 1: he might have played a big part behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: but at the time, all I knew for sure was
Speaker 1: that he was a reporter for the wrestling magazines. During
Speaker 1: our meeting, he told me there was a rumor that
Speaker 1: Butcher would be coming to Japan. I don't know how
Speaker 1: Wally knew anything about New Japan business, but we wrestlers
Speaker 1: were always the last to know things like that. I
Speaker 1: believe he told me in order to gauge my reaction
Speaker 1: and see how I felt about it. I tried to
Speaker 1: hide my feelings, but I'm sure he was able to
Speaker 1: tell that I was surprised and disappointed. In late April
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, after returning to my home in Mississippi
Speaker 1: following my ninth tour of Japan, my telephone rang. To
Speaker 1: my surprise. When I picked it up, I heard the
Speaker 1: voice of Terry Funk on the other end of the line.
Speaker 1: Next time on the Complete Hulk Hogan. The end for
Speaker 1: Hogan and Hansen UF and Hogan makes his choice.