Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, I got
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Speaker 5: I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 5: Great to meet you, William. I've been a fan for
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Speaker 4: Last night too. Yeah, funny, it happens. It happens to
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Speaker 2: One my man, Ethan, what is going on? So, how
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Speaker 8: Wonderful, Yeah, wonderful to be here with everyone, William, this
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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, appreciateing. So the Manchurian candidate, Uh well,
Speaker 4: I guess what got you interested?
Speaker 2: In covering this or in the way that you're doing
Speaker 2: it now.
Speaker 7: Really current events, Like I was looking into a lot
Speaker 7: of these more recent killers. People would know people who
Speaker 7: tried to kill Trump, supposedly crooks, ruth. Then there's these
Speaker 7: strange events that happened on January first, which is Jabbar
Speaker 7: who rolled over a lot of people, and levels Berger
Speaker 7: who went to the Great Golden Monolith in or Trump
Speaker 7: Tower I should say the Golden Monolith of the Trump
Speaker 7: Tower in Las Vegas and supposedly blew up his E
Speaker 7: truck or his Tesla truck. And those were both very strange,
Speaker 7: and the timing was on. Both of those guys are
Speaker 7: traced back before Bragg and then Louis Gimi and Gioni.
Speaker 7: So these are kind of strange characters, but they're often
Speaker 7: strange in a way that rhymes with other people. And
Speaker 7: I had done the study and the Catcher and the
Speaker 7: Rye and that is so weird. Oh god, yeah, that's
Speaker 7: another show. But I mean that book is weird, and
Speaker 7: it's it's it's connected to Chapman and Hinckley. Two guys,
Speaker 7: one guy who supposedly killed Lennon and the other guy
Speaker 7: tried to go Reagan four months apart from each other.
Speaker 4: I think when you were on when you were on
Speaker 4: the show, when you were covering that, I think I
Speaker 4: ran the Jamai and it actually matched somebody's name that
Speaker 4: you were even talking about, Like Catcher and the Riot
Speaker 4: matches someone's name in Jamatra that's associated with even having
Speaker 4: the book.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck? How does that happen?
Speaker 7: It's a strange book. I think it's kind of like
Speaker 7: a dark book, Like there's nothing redeeming about the main character.
Speaker 7: People said he's an anti hero or all this. I
Speaker 7: see him as a very fractured, dissociative, kind of psychopathic sociopath,
Speaker 7: like so many bad things about Old and Colfield, and
Speaker 7: weird kind of sinks between him and Chapman being and
Speaker 7: the end of Caturing the Rye happens at a carousel,
Speaker 7: which I found out later. Carousels and addicts are like
Speaker 7: big mind control things for some strange reason. You'll see
Speaker 7: them repeated in these characters. But it ends up in
Speaker 7: Central Park. That's kind of like where Chapman was. He
Speaker 7: used to hang out in Central Park. And then Luigi
Speaker 7: Mangioni killed supposedly killed that head of the CEO, corrupt
Speaker 7: CEO of the healthcare industry and went into Central Park.
Speaker 7: And then and there's strange sinks with this movie, Mancheering Candidate,
Speaker 7: where the main character he realizes he doesn't realize, but
Speaker 7: the Sinatra character realizes that this guy's under mind control
Speaker 7: after he walks away from a barn, jumps in the
Speaker 7: pond in the Central Park. So it's all very strange.
Speaker 7: And I think it's because New York was kind of
Speaker 7: like the navel of the Earth after World War Two
Speaker 7: in the sense it was kind of a bustling city
Speaker 7: and the financial capital of the US. But so that's
Speaker 7: kind of what led me back to Mancheering Candidate, is
Speaker 7: this kind of interest in these killers. So that's kind
Speaker 7: of And then I watched the movie again I'd seen
Speaker 7: it before, and then I looked into the history and
Speaker 7: I went, wow, this is really really important. I can
Speaker 7: see why he was taken out of distribution for twenty
Speaker 7: five years. Nobody saw the movie after the jfk assassination,
Speaker 7: and it wasn't until it's re released in ninety seven
Speaker 7: to ninety eight. So the film itself has a very
Speaker 7: interesting background. Just actually the history of the film.
Speaker 4: That is interesting though, how like you know, I think,
Speaker 4: like you know, you, me and other people have even
Speaker 4: been noticing, especially with Jamatra repeating themes that are matching
Speaker 4: like now from in the past, like you know, like
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like back to the Future seems
Speaker 4: popular because people in Jamachi are covering it and it's
Speaker 4: matching stuff that's kind of relative. Now there's a lot
Speaker 4: of things I've even covered in the past with certain
Speaker 4: certain topics that are heavy with Jamatra, and it was
Speaker 4: always matching stuff that was like literally popular right at
Speaker 4: the moment. And you almost like, you know, like is
Speaker 4: this like some repeating like cipher that pops up. It's
Speaker 4: just very weird, you know, and it seems to be
Speaker 4: happening more and more often.
Speaker 7: The people people, Well, it's interesting you're bringing up numerology, Nick,
Speaker 7: because I have a section of this film. I read
Speaker 7: the book and seen the film many many times. But
Speaker 7: there's like what people call a cold numerology or illuminati
Speaker 7: numeral whatever they use to turn it. But Condon knew it.
Speaker 7: So if you can bring up the film, we can
Speaker 7: go through some of the selections of it and then
Speaker 7: may be disappointed. This is a total spoiler alert I'm
Speaker 7: going to ruin the film for everybody, But the whole
Speaker 7: arc of the film is that the man cheering candidate
Speaker 7: is the fact that Raymond Shaw, the main character, is
Speaker 7: in the Korean War from nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 7: and he gets abducted by people from the Communist front
Speaker 7: hypnotized sent back, and then he's handled all the way
Speaker 7: to the United States where he becomes an assassin, and
Speaker 7: then he tries to kill the presidential contender at the
Speaker 7: selection of the presidential nomination at the nomination kind of
Speaker 7: like where RFK was when he was at the Ambassador
Speaker 7: Hotel in Los Angeles. But the Condon knows that it's
Speaker 7: very dark. The film has like I mean, the book
Speaker 7: has stone cold incest. The lead character, woman who's a villain,
Speaker 7: is willingly seemed to be having sex with her dad.
Speaker 7: So it gets pretty dark.
Speaker 2: But it's actually Egyptian.
Speaker 7: Condon is very well read. He understood a lot of
Speaker 7: classical illusions and a lot of classical stuff, and he
Speaker 7: also knew this occult stuff. So this troop that gets abducted,
Speaker 7: there's eleven of them, So there's eleven men in this
Speaker 7: whole thing. Twenty two men carried eleven people and then
Speaker 7: they're getting hypnotized or induced, and there's minds of eleven Americans.
Speaker 7: So this is the number of magic. And I think
Speaker 7: that Condon is implying that this hypnotization or creation of
Speaker 7: an assassin is a magical act. Reports at eleven o'clock,
Speaker 7: so he gets up at eleven, he goes to bed
Speaker 7: at eleven. There's literally a nine to eleven in this,
Speaker 7: so like nine to one hundred and eleven names are
Speaker 7: stricken from the list. There's seventy seven's in here, so
Speaker 7: you probably know the number seventy seven, but you can
Speaker 7: just see this is actual text from the book itself.
Speaker 7: At a critical moment in this film, Sinatra, who plays
Speaker 7: this guy Marco, he realizes that he's been hypnotized, and
Speaker 7: at the critical moment of when he's having his dream,
Speaker 7: it happens at three to eleven at night, Like, these
Speaker 7: aren't accidents, so William.
Speaker 6: One of the ways that they make themselves clear as
Speaker 6: to who's been hypnotized and who's not is the same
Speaker 6: repeating phrases that they use over and over and over again,
Speaker 6: like this guy was the most what did they call him?
Speaker 6: They called him like he was the best man out there.
Speaker 6: He was, and they would say it over and over
Speaker 6: again to where that's how you knew that these other
Speaker 6: people were under mind control. And we see that happening
Speaker 6: so often, Like we've got these repeating phrases, the psychic
Speaker 6: driving that they try and use over and over again
Speaker 6: in our society, safe and effective, all the rest of
Speaker 6: this stuff. It's like these don't mean any thing, but
Speaker 6: they're going to push you forward in that direction. That's
Speaker 6: one of the main tells I think that you could
Speaker 6: see the mind control and effect is the driving phrases.
Speaker 4: Yes, when when I ran a lot of the Jamatria,
Speaker 4: just real quick, you know, when I was talking about
Speaker 4: my experiences with seeing like stuff repeating, a lot of
Speaker 4: the stuff that match too, was words or phrases.
Speaker 2: I was constantly being said in.
Speaker 4: The news maura lago or a certain maga phrase, and
Speaker 4: it's just like, yo, is that like an energetic EGGARGOI
Speaker 4: you're trying to grow.
Speaker 2: It's really weird.
Speaker 7: I think it's all it's all intentional, and it all
Speaker 7: comes out of this post war research about behavioral science
Speaker 7: and psychology and mk ultra all the stuff together brain warfare.
Speaker 7: But yeah, those were kind of I think this is
Speaker 7: like the start of where it comes into fiction and
Speaker 7: then comes into fact. So the actually what's really interesting
Speaker 7: of this book, about this book and movie is that
Speaker 7: how much Congin new at the time and how much
Speaker 7: he integrated into this how sophisticated that he was, because
Speaker 7: a lot of the techniques they show in this film
Speaker 7: are real life techniques NLP, repetitive phrasing, all kinds of
Speaker 7: post hypnotics suggestion, which is real. It's a lot of
Speaker 7: people don't know that these techniques as this, but they've
Speaker 7: actually been studied at a very very high level by
Speaker 7: very intelligent people, like super brains like you. And Cameron
Speaker 7: is like a nightmare guy out of McGill who did
Speaker 7: the sleep Room, but he was the head of the
Speaker 7: world psychiatric form that kind was really smart, and he
Speaker 7: had an external he was like doctor Jacklin, mister Hyde.
Speaker 7: He had an external front that he was a healer
Speaker 7: and a good guy, and he was doing the most
Speaker 7: horrific experiments they can't even be called experiments. He was
Speaker 7: using techniques on people over long periods of time, and
Speaker 7: he never went to jail for it. And he's poisoning
Speaker 7: and messing with their brains and they didn't know it.
Speaker 7: Their families thought they were going in for treatment, and
Speaker 7: he made them worse. So these things are all all
Speaker 7: tested and truth, and they're actually in this film that's
Speaker 7: really someone else. It's really so awesome. So let's listen
Speaker 7: to this. See if you guys can get the audio
Speaker 7: from this.
Speaker 10: Vision jealously guards.
Speaker 7: Can you hear that to us?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 7: Can you hear that?
Speaker 10: Bella the Congressional Medal of Honor in the Korean War,
Speaker 10: with five million, seven hundred and twenty thousand personnel engaged
Speaker 10: only seventy seven men. We're so hot.
Speaker 7: So there's your seventy seven. This is right at the
Speaker 7: beginning of the film when.
Speaker 11: I get married to my old lady. I got no
Speaker 11: idea that this guy comes in.
Speaker 7: This is a sequence right where he realizes he or
Speaker 7: he doesn't put but Sinatra realizes this guy's been tampered with.
Speaker 7: And the key thing and the chemotif and the key
Speaker 7: trigger that you'll see through this film is the Queen
Speaker 7: of Donald's. So watch this, but listen for the eleven
Speaker 7: in the background in the same package.
Speaker 11: That is a package deal. And for eleven long years,
Speaker 11: I got this grunk tighter around my neck and believe me,
Speaker 11: it's no bigging.
Speaker 1: You've got no other date. It was kind of guy,
Speaker 1: what this guy?
Speaker 12: Wait, kids just got held up in traffic again.
Speaker 11: So I says, don't please do me a favorite, will you?
Speaker 11: Why don't you go and take yourself a kid and
Speaker 11: go up the Central Park and go jump in the league.
Speaker 9: Raymond, I don't know why.
Speaker 7: You're so that is it? So they tie in this
Speaker 7: kind of mind control suggestibility to the number eleven there
Speaker 7: in the background. It's not a mistake. These are all
Speaker 7: very like intentional. And then this is uh. Angela Lansbury
Speaker 7: for one of her first films was Gaslight. That's why
Speaker 7: we use the word gas Light now as a reference
Speaker 7: to a movie she was in when somebody's just a
Speaker 7: stone cold lying to your face. But according to certain things,
Speaker 7: she's like one of the top twenty five villains in
Speaker 7: American film history. And by the way, AFI ranked this
Speaker 7: film as one of the top one hundred films back
Speaker 7: in nineteen nineties, So top one hundred American films ever made.
Speaker 7: That's like nobody's really seen it. They've seen the remake
Speaker 7: with Denzel Washington that watch this.
Speaker 10: The only apartment in New York City without an air conditioner.
Speaker 13: You know, sometimes I think you came to us for
Speaker 13: another century.
Speaker 5: Chiu Chin Chow or whatever your name is.
Speaker 7: The steaks are to be broiled for exactly eleven minutes,
Speaker 7: no more, no less, on each side in a preheated
Speaker 7: grill at four hundred degrees. Nobody grills their stakes for
Speaker 7: eleven minutes. I don't know if that's really true, but anyway,
Speaker 7: when you're talking about numerology neck, that kind of this
Speaker 7: whole thing kind of came sure, but pervades the book
Speaker 7: in the film, right.
Speaker 6: It's the idea of the eleven is being the symbol
Speaker 6: of mastery. It's like past the ten. And so what
Speaker 6: they're doing is they're saying, we're operating on a level
Speaker 6: higher than you by ten. You're down here at one,
Speaker 6: we're up here at eleven. It's that kind of thing.
Speaker 6: It's well, at least it seems that way from like
Speaker 6: the context. Right, So a lot of other people could
Speaker 6: use been as a form of mastery that's not connected
Speaker 6: to mind control, but obviously in a mind control film,
Speaker 6: they're sort of throwing it in your face, you know.
Speaker 7: Right, it's Crowley's master number, the number of magic, the
Speaker 7: number of the microcosm and macrocosm five and a six
Speaker 7: coming together, the number of the Magician, number of the
Speaker 7: New World Order. It's all there. So anyway, that's just
Speaker 7: an interesting thing. So that's one element of this whole thing.
Speaker 7: One of the other interesting things about this film. It
Speaker 7: really was okay by JFK himself. That's what a lot
Speaker 7: of people don't know is that this film was made
Speaker 7: because JFK wanted to get it done and Sinatra was
Speaker 7: his close friend. They were close personal friends. It wasn't
Speaker 7: like like Sammy Davis Junior said that Sinatra had like
Speaker 7: a direct dial to the White House. You could just
Speaker 7: pick up the phone and call JFK whenever he wanted.
Speaker 7: And they were together at Tyanna's Port. And JFK, we know,
Speaker 7: was like he liked to read spy novels. He liked
Speaker 7: to read James Bond novels. All that woman you read
Speaker 7: this and said, get it made. And he actually knew
Speaker 7: a guy from the Democratic Party in Los Angeles and
Speaker 7: that he got a green lt finance for two point
Speaker 7: two million dollars and got all these great actors. Angela
Speaker 7: Lansbury Vivian Lee is like a Hollywood royalty. That's Jamie Lee,
Speaker 7: Curtis's mom. She's in this And of course Sinatra is like,
Speaker 7: you know, world famous singer, not really a great actor
Speaker 7: in my opinion, but I think the movie is great.
Speaker 2: Was there anything anybody wanted to ask?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So there's so much about this movie that really
Speaker 6: has parallels in our everyday lives, Like what exactly do
Speaker 6: you see, you know, exposing the kind of man Cherian
Speaker 6: candidate society that we have today from the you know
Speaker 6: examples in this movie.
Speaker 7: A lot the training, the background, the knowledge that goes
Speaker 7: in the handling. A lot of these guys have handlers,
Speaker 7: so they're not working independently. They may be seen as
Speaker 7: kind of loan nuts or portrayed as loan nuts. And
Speaker 7: Oswald was portrayed so it's always this lone nut motif,
Speaker 7: but if you look behind the curtain, they all have
Speaker 7: these friends with it. Oswald had like ten handlers and
Speaker 7: in this movie. It's a really good question. By the way,
Speaker 7: in this movie, the kind of assassin who's played by
Speaker 7: Lawrence Harvey, his character's Raymond Tchuk. He's handled by the
Speaker 7: communists and then he's handed over to his mother. His
Speaker 7: mother's as handler, and she's hitting him with the hypnotic
Speaker 7: suggestions and stuff like that. And if you follow, and
Speaker 7: it's interesting, the timing of this is really something else
Speaker 7: because Lee Harvey or Oswald's main handler at the very
Speaker 7: end was a woman by the name of Ruth Ping
Speaker 7: p Ai n E and she just passed away last
Speaker 7: week at ninety two, and she took to her grave
Speaker 7: some incredible secrets. But she was the one who got
Speaker 7: him the job at the book Depository. But Oswald had
Speaker 7: strange handlers almost all of his life from one and
Speaker 7: he actually imitates Raymond Shaw's character who is controlled by
Speaker 7: these communist block characters and then comes back for an
Speaker 7: assassination here, whereas Oswald went to Soviet Union for eighteen
Speaker 7: months and then came back here and directly committed assassination
Speaker 7: within a year. It's incredible. And then he sheep dipped right.
Speaker 7: He has a legend, he has an intel legend that
Speaker 7: he's a communist sympathizer, but it's all fake. It's all public,
Speaker 7: like he goes on TV. He's seen handing out flyers
Speaker 7: for fair play for Cuba. But he also has like
Speaker 7: weird handlers who are right wing. Pain is a fake leftist.
Speaker 7: He also was under the aegis of the s guy
Speaker 7: de Mornschild, who is a white Russian with the very
Speaker 7: strange connections, a very strange guy. He also is covered
Speaker 7: by David Ferry, a known I don't know what you
Speaker 7: call it. He liked teen boys. Is he a pediast
Speaker 7: or a pedophile or something, but his thing was he
Speaker 7: liked teen boys. He was gay, and that's a no
Speaker 7: no in that he was openly gay and the Catholic
Speaker 7: Church at that time, so he got kicked out. But
Speaker 7: he was also a known hypnotist. He was an expert
Speaker 7: hypnotist and he knew how to do post hypnotic suggestion.
Speaker 7: And when they found his room he was dead in
Speaker 7: seven sixty seven. They had he had books on hypnotism everywhere.
Speaker 7: He was a polymathic guy, was really smart. He knew
Speaker 7: how to fly commercial airliners. He was a gun runner
Speaker 7: CIA agent.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 7: Jim Garrison, who did the prosecution of Clay Shaw, said
Speaker 7: that David Ferry was one of the most important people
Speaker 7: who ever lived like he really appreciated Faerry as this
Speaker 7: handler of the Harvey Oswald. Somebody involved in the assassination
Speaker 7: and somebody involved in trying to kill Castro a devout
Speaker 7: anti communist. It's the strangest story. So so, I mean,
Speaker 7: the whole show could be comparisons between this movie and
Speaker 7: real life. But that's just one example. And what's shocking
Speaker 7: about that example is it comes right after the this
Speaker 7: movie's made. So Oswald emulates this Raymond Shock character all
Speaker 7: the way to the end.
Speaker 2: As soon as she says he's a pack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like, yo, I know. And you know,
Speaker 4: another weird thing with Oswald is I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's the lady from the Books of Depository or whatever
Speaker 4: the place was, or if it's one of her friends,
Speaker 4: but like he knew a lady that was involved at
Speaker 4: the Council of.
Speaker 2: Nine as well.
Speaker 7: He knew a lady who was what.
Speaker 4: Part of the Council of Nine and the Yeah, I
Speaker 4: can't remember the dude's name of the I.
Speaker 7: Think Paine was associated with that because her brother was
Speaker 7: some kind of big wig and they knew the council line.
Speaker 7: But get this this, it's even more interesting about Oswald.
Speaker 7: Paine's one of her best friends, somebody she traveled to
Speaker 7: Europe with like thirty years before. Her name was Bancroft
Speaker 7: and she was one of her longtime best friends for years.
Speaker 7: Decades back. Bancroft was in Europe, she could speak multiple languages.
Speaker 7: Guess who she gets a job with during World War Two,
Speaker 7: Alan Doulas. So she's literally working with Alan Doulas in Switzerland.
Speaker 7: This is left out of all this. We're getting there, dude.
Speaker 7: She's friends with Dolas before mk Ultra starts, so then
Speaker 7: she's like a lover and friend of Doulas and Doulas's wife.
Speaker 7: Bancroft friends with pain and then Dolas gets done with
Speaker 7: World War two, becomes the head of the CIA, does
Speaker 7: the brain Warfare speech in fifty three, and then a
Speaker 7: week later m k Eltri starts up, and so you literally,
Speaker 7: this is the thing that's left out of the JFK
Speaker 7: assassination is that Harvey Oswald is Raymond Shaw. He's like
Speaker 7: Raymond Shaw. He's being handled, he does weird stuff. He
Speaker 7: he has money. He's able to travel around like Raymond
Speaker 7: Shaw or Luigi Mangiona or Ruth without nobody knows where
Speaker 7: his funds come from. How did he get to Europe
Speaker 7: and back? Get this? Okay, So maybe you guys know
Speaker 7: the story of Olsen who got chucked out of a window.
Speaker 7: He was one of the early researchers, and they say
Speaker 7: he jumped out and went crazy. I don't buy that,
Speaker 7: st I think he was Actually he was a good
Speaker 7: guy and they chucked him out of a window because
Speaker 7: Forrestall did the same thing. He got jumped out of
Speaker 7: a window in the fifties. And this is from the
Speaker 7: CIA handbook too. This is what you do because it
Speaker 7: breaks up like it's like an sf K killing.
Speaker 2: And Frank or something. They were dosent and without him knowing,
Speaker 2: and he sort of like.
Speaker 7: All right, the LSD stuff is before fifty threes. But
Speaker 7: they were doing it, so he was involved. He said, no,
Speaker 7: this story is unbelievable. So he dies the the there's
Speaker 7: like some of the documents not pertaining to mk Alter
Speaker 7: came out and one of the documents said, guys, you've
Speaker 7: got to stop using LSD in certain places. In one
Speaker 7: of the places where Dolus wrote on this thing is
Speaker 7: stop use it. Doing LSD's experiments at Exsugi Air Force Base,
Speaker 7: which is where Oswald would be stationed four years later.
Speaker 7: So they were doing LSD experiments off at Sugi is
Speaker 7: basically Tokyo. It's like a suburb of Tokyo in Japan.
Speaker 7: And there's like traces, like they could trace freaking the
Speaker 7: poisoner in chief. Sydney Gotlieb to there, oh God, and
Speaker 7: so like all if you watch this movie, like Raymond
Speaker 7: Shaw ends up in the hospital, and when when Oswald
Speaker 7: is at Atsugi, he has a lot of money. He's
Speaker 7: going to high end clubs. They don't know where the
Speaker 7: money is coming from. This is all verified up. In fact,
Speaker 7: I'm not making this up. He also went to the
Speaker 7: hospital for certain stays and the excuse for being in
Speaker 7: the hospital was venarial disease. So who goes to the
Speaker 7: hospital for venerial disease. Nobody. He just takes some penicillin
Speaker 7: or whatever. So like even these are weird cover stories
Speaker 7: if you get into like Chapman or Sir answerin they're
Speaker 7: in and out of hospitals all the time. They're always
Speaker 7: in hospitals. And Oswald was like that he tried to
Speaker 7: kill himself supposedly at Atsugi and then back in the hospital. Right, Well,
Speaker 7: that's a good speculation because I think that he's under
Speaker 7: handlers for a long period of time. One of the
Speaker 7: big guys at the CIA is James Jesus Angleton. He
Speaker 7: never made it to the head of the CAA, but
Speaker 7: he was head of operations and his story is very different.
Speaker 7: But there's a really good book called The Ghost by
Speaker 7: Jefferson Morley, and in that book they talk about a
Speaker 7: two h one file, which is a specialty file for
Speaker 7: certain people who are on the radar. So Angleton's counter intelligence, right,
Speaker 7: So he's trying to forced all to fight off in
Speaker 7: moles and people coming from the communist infiltration. Supposedly that's
Speaker 7: his cover. But he directly had Oswald's file from when
Speaker 7: he returned from the Soviet Union to when he left,
Speaker 7: and he kept it to himself. He didn't share it
Speaker 7: to anybody in the CIA. So Angleton thought that Oswald
Speaker 7: was special. There's something about Oswald that was special and
Speaker 7: one of the central components. And there's hypnotism involved in
Speaker 7: Jim Garrison's case, believe it or not. He tried to
Speaker 7: hypnotize the main care If you remember JFK. Kevin Bacon
Speaker 7: pay plays the gay guy that was one of Garrison's
Speaker 7: main character witnesses. Because what Garrison was trying to do
Speaker 7: is connect Oswald to Ferry to clay Shaw and to Banister,
Speaker 7: this whole nexus of kind of right wing guys right.
Speaker 7: And one of the key things was seeing some people
Speaker 7: law Shaw and Ferry with Oswald trying to get Oswald
Speaker 7: the job at a state hospital. They're trying to get
Speaker 7: him to work at a hospital, just like Chapman worked
Speaker 7: at that hospital in Hawaii. And so this is a
Speaker 7: key component of that case. And what Garrison did is
Speaker 7: he hired a hypnotist to get the character who he
Speaker 7: had in Italian Lisalle or something like them, to like
Speaker 7: induce him to remember this stuff. It's really part of
Speaker 7: that case. So there's hypnotism in Ferry and in Garrison's investigation.
Speaker 7: Believed it or not, but yeah, those are keys. And
Speaker 7: one of the other interesting things about clay Shaw that
Speaker 7: a lot of people don't know is he was a
Speaker 7: war hero. He literally worked under a guy named General
Speaker 7: Thrasher who was a general and he was actually if
Speaker 7: you remember Operation Overlord, that was the June nineteen forty
Speaker 7: four invasion of France, it was called Overlord and Thrasher
Speaker 7: and Shaw were like heavily involved in organizing that in
Speaker 7: southern England, and Shaw was an aide to and he
Speaker 7: got awarded. He got awarded like Order of Merits, and
Speaker 7: he was a well awarded guy. And externally he was yeah,
Speaker 7: Mary Sherman, good stuff. This is a side story to it.
Speaker 7: But Shaw was awarded. But he was also rumored to
Speaker 7: be a Knight of Malta like Dulas so Dullas. And
Speaker 7: also this Night of Malta is overlooked, so he's a
Speaker 7: perfect person to kind of oversee Oswald, who's probably being
Speaker 7: established as the patsy for a year before November nineteen
Speaker 7: sixty three. Well, I think the famous person. Oh get this,
Speaker 7: here's one more component that's really incredible. The new JFKA
Speaker 7: documents came out this year, right Luna and Luna for Florida.
Speaker 7: She dropped all these documents. There were some people, so
Speaker 7: Carrie Thornley, who can get in, was a guy who
Speaker 7: knew Oswald before when he was in the Marines at Atsugi.
Speaker 7: He wrote a book about Oswald, the Idle Warriors. But
Speaker 7: there was somebody in Russia who knew matt Oswa Oswald.
Speaker 7: Her name was mc and she wrote a book called
Speaker 7: Marina and Lee and it's like a four or five
Speaker 7: hundred page tovel. It's just total sory. It's supposed to
Speaker 7: be a story about how he got rabtalized and became
Speaker 7: a communist right with Marina in the Soviet Union. Well,
Speaker 7: these new documents came out and she's getting paid by
Speaker 7: the CIA. McMillan is there, so this is another handler.
Speaker 7: So she's there even before, and this is like fifty
Speaker 7: eight or fifty nine, she's there with them, and back
Speaker 7: in the States they're together, and she wrote writes this
Speaker 7: kind of like not like this not so called nonfiction
Speaker 7: book of notes about Marina and Lee, and she's a
Speaker 7: CIA operative dude, and it's just total pop. And it's
Speaker 7: in these documents that came out recently, right.
Speaker 6: I think there's this this this glaring link between the
Speaker 6: handler phenomenon and what we see every time the president
Speaker 6: is speaking on the on the airplane, right on Air
Speaker 6: Force one every time, and there's that guy behind him.
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter if it's Trump, but it doesn't matter if
Speaker 6: it's you know, any other president. You always see the
Speaker 6: handler standing right behind him on Air Force wanted to
Speaker 6: make sure that he's on message and delivering the exact
Speaker 6: phrases that have sort of been given to him. So
Speaker 6: it's like where does the mind control start and where
Speaker 6: does it end? I think that's the real question that
Speaker 6: everybody has.
Speaker 7: You know, it's interesting you say that in one of
Speaker 7: my other presentations on this the solitaire is a key
Speaker 7: component of the film. And there's a lot of writings
Speaker 7: on this film. It's like a lot of Cindy ASTs
Speaker 7: or critics like to comment about it. But there is
Speaker 7: a comment. George Stuppanopolos was talking, but he worked under Clinton, right,
Speaker 7: he's a left wing Democrat operative. He said that, like
Speaker 7: people would write speeches, but what Bill Clinton would like
Speaker 7: to do in his downtime is sit around and play solitaire.
Speaker 7: So he knew Bill Clinton for like first rate. And
Speaker 7: then if you look at Bill Clinton's background and some stuff,
Speaker 7: he's clearly he's not self driven. There's something about him
Speaker 7: like he's been appointed much like Obama, much like a
Speaker 7: lot of these guys.
Speaker 6: Have you seen have you seen the footage of them
Speaker 6: putting makeup on Bill Clinton? There in idle mode, He's
Speaker 6: just completely there's nothing there. It's completely empty.
Speaker 4: You know, something I did want to mention, you know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't my my research, so I didn't want to
Speaker 4: say anything. But but Lisa mentioned it, and we don't
Speaker 4: have to go into it, but I think it's just
Speaker 4: a weird thing. How you see stuff repeating again, is
Speaker 4: that if we want to start looking at this guy
Speaker 4: being Oswald. Oswald did work in Russia with that lady,
Speaker 4: and he did work on SV forty, which was like
Speaker 4: they were going to try to put it in vaccines.
Speaker 4: I think the na castro was like as a weapon
Speaker 4: and it was used in vaccines that possibly gave polio
Speaker 4: and killed them. And that same SV forty was thrown
Speaker 4: into a vaccine just recently that was pumped out again.
Speaker 4: So it is kind of interesting how you even see
Speaker 4: that SV forty popping up over again.
Speaker 7: Nick, can you pull up this video of Quintam please,
Speaker 7: that's from.
Speaker 6: It's like a mannequin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shit is creepy. I remember this video.
Speaker 6: He's playing solitaire.
Speaker 5: It's almost like he's on some seriously heavy drugs.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 7: Here's another one that really good, good LSD stuff right there.
Speaker 2: They gave it those up as they were given Biden.
Speaker 7: Here's the quote for this is from George stuffing Off.
Speaker 7: So if you can bring a Clinton plate solitaire, so
Speaker 7: it says when Nixon needed to think, he picked up
Speaker 7: a legal pad of roade outlines Reagan, composed letters, Clinton
Speaker 7: plate Solitaire And that's like the key phrase that they
Speaker 7: have for Raymond. Raymond, why don't you pass the time
Speaker 7: by playing a little solitaire?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 6: It almost reinforces the methodologies because you don't know what's
Speaker 6: going on in their subconscious mind when they're seeing these cards.
Speaker 6: Each one could be very symbolic of reinforcing these different
Speaker 6: hypnotic suggestions that are now coming into their psyche and
Speaker 6: sort of reinforcing the plan.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 7: You don't know who's been tampered with. That's the scary
Speaker 7: thing about like hypnosis and some of these techniques, Like
Speaker 7: they refine the techniques over time, which is really bad.
Speaker 4: Well, they have people who hypnotize you to admit to shit,
Speaker 4: he didn't even do.
Speaker 7: Stuff. And a lot of these guys they have selective amnesia.
Speaker 7: And they mentioned this in the movie, like that they
Speaker 7: knew in this film about selective amnesia, Like so they understood.
Speaker 7: Like I mean, there's just incredible things the clips and
Speaker 7: the knowledge behind the film. Like sometimes you see these
Speaker 7: films and you go wow, they put that in there
Speaker 7: kind of like eyes white chut, like wow, he knows
Speaker 7: all the symbolism, he knows these secret parties, he knows
Speaker 7: the people you know, and then man cheering candidates like that.
Speaker 7: It's really well written.
Speaker 6: Operationally written, if you could put it in those terms.
Speaker 6: I mean, it tells you how to do it basically.
Speaker 7: Really, they show the technique and they write about it.
Speaker 7: Condon writes about it in his book. But the techniques. Yeah,
Speaker 7: this this whole Tanny Jay Tanny versus McGill case that
Speaker 7: came out really shows what they were really doing. And
Speaker 7: the people aren't even aware. The victims aren't aware because
Speaker 7: they've been given amnesia or they're drugged, so they don't
Speaker 7: even know what's happening to him. They just come out
Speaker 7: a different person. And that's what you see with a
Speaker 7: lot of these shooters. To somebody says they had a
Speaker 7: change in personality. Like he's just a normal guy Ininkley.
Speaker 7: He's the same way. He's like an upstanding, you know,
Speaker 7: popular like girls, athletic, and all of a sudden he
Speaker 7: just whacks out. Look at Luigi Mangeo. The guy was
Speaker 7: like a total winner almost on every aspect of his life.
Speaker 7: He was the head of his you know, special high school.
Speaker 7: You know, he went to he was the top of
Speaker 7: his class his private school. He's rich, he's handsome. He
Speaker 7: worked in AI in the Bay Area for a company,
Speaker 7: like what everybody would want to do. And then all
Speaker 7: of a sudden he goes to some kind of weird
Speaker 7: cult you know, group that he lived with in Hwahu,
Speaker 7: and he's a change man. He starts to sympathize with
Speaker 7: Kazinski also and mk Ultra victim. He's a victim, there's
Speaker 7: no question about it. Like he was under the care
Speaker 7: of Henry Murray and they did three years of tests
Speaker 7: on that guy and broke down his character. They might
Speaker 7: have turned him into an assassin. There's no question. He
Speaker 7: gave him schizophrenia and whacked him out. The guy was
Speaker 7: a genius. He had like one hundred and eighty five IQ.
Speaker 7: I think he was teaching math at Berkeley like in
Speaker 7: his twenties as a doctor. The guy was super advanced.
Speaker 7: But they found his weak spot and worked on it,
Speaker 7: and they literally is almost like an old movie about
Speaker 7: the menk Ultra where you put the helmet on his
Speaker 7: head and you put all the notes. They did that
Speaker 7: to freaking Kazinski for three years, and other students and
Speaker 7: what's also interesting is that I had this one woman
Speaker 7: whose mother was targeted by you and Cameron, who's close
Speaker 7: friends with Doulas by the way, and they were going
Speaker 7: after the elite, so they were after Kazinski because of
Speaker 7: his intelligence. And this one woman, her name is Elizabeth Nixon.
Speaker 7: They said they went after her mom and all these
Speaker 7: others to try to like turn them into Stepford wives,
Speaker 7: and they really messed up her life. Share the mom
Speaker 7: had to go through like personal reab and try to
Speaker 7: come back from the stuff. Because you and Cameron was
Speaker 7: giving ect electro convulsive therapy shops where people would stop breathing.
Speaker 7: It literally so much power, was so immoral that they
Speaker 7: would literally just stop breathing right there on the table,
Speaker 7: and people were freaked out. They're just like, whoa, they're
Speaker 7: almost dead, right.
Speaker 6: And the hospitals are such a perfect place for that,
Speaker 6: because all you have to do is have some fake
Speaker 6: credentials and you can get into any wing of the
Speaker 6: hospital and pretend to be treating these patients and actually
Speaker 6: be administering drugs. And as long as you're not charting it,
Speaker 6: how are they gonna know? You know, they got to
Speaker 6: fake charts.
Speaker 7: They have fake stuff. They have information that goes out
Speaker 7: that's there. They're the perfect test subjects because they're unwitting, right,
Speaker 7: So that's what they That was how and moral McGill
Speaker 7: was in you and Cameron's These people, a lot of
Speaker 7: them just had like temporary problems, and they gave them
Speaker 7: permanent problems and then they test them. I mean, what's
Speaker 7: really scary is that they were under the care and
Speaker 7: oversight of these guys for a long time, so they're
Speaker 7: watching the changes in them as they're giving them these
Speaker 7: treatments and keeping notes. So Elizabeth Nixon's mom was under
Speaker 7: the care of you and Cameron for seventeen years. Imagine
Speaker 7: the potency and power of watching this person's personality change
Speaker 7: as he's changing, and giving him an LSD and drugs
Speaker 7: and sleep deprivation and sensory deprivation and CURAI and other
Speaker 7: strange drugs and you know, just crazy stuff.
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable, right, And I think that the best form
Speaker 6: of mind control is ignorance. So everybody else looking in
Speaker 6: from the outside has no idea that this is going on,
Speaker 6: and they're all sort of playing into the authority fallacy, thinking, well,
Speaker 6: this doctor knows best all the rest of this stuff
Speaker 6: and it's all just collapsing in front of them. And
Speaker 6: as long as they can keep a smile on their
Speaker 6: face and a handshake in their hand, they can kind
Speaker 6: of get away with it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: People don't have that distrust, and it created trust.
Speaker 7: You know, they don't trust medicine anywhere after COVID, and
Speaker 7: they shouldn't because these people are freaking evil. But back then,
Speaker 7: the doctors were like gods, Like they had almost like
Speaker 7: a godlike status and you just obeyed them. But they
Speaker 7: were very sinister. Another example, I mean, they had like
Speaker 7: crazy stuff happened in Georgetown. The CIA financed a new
Speaker 7: wing of the Georgetown Hospital specifically for mind control research,
Speaker 7: and they spent like two million dollars on it, and
Speaker 7: they wrote that the documents were found it's through the
Speaker 7: casiictor funded this one doctor and they're into Their thing
Speaker 7: was is they were like, we're gonna build this, then
Speaker 7: we're gonna get doctors, and those doctors are gonna get
Speaker 7: other doctors. So they had this kind of multi level
Speaker 7: marketing outlay. Those doctors are getting other mind control doctors,
Speaker 7: and then those doctors can get patients, and those guys
Speaker 7: paid we'll get more patients. So they knew they were
Speaker 7: going to grow it out like it's incredible. And then
Speaker 7: to the public, it was just another part of the
Speaker 7: hospital like, oh, these people are being treated no, right,
Speaker 7: they were doing sophisticated stuff, and so it was. It
Speaker 7: was all being sent up the chain of command, all
Speaker 7: the way to the top, all the way to the
Speaker 7: heads of the CIA. So they got away with so
Speaker 7: much stuff like they just bowl only the public. They
Speaker 7: bamboozled the prolls and the goys or whatever, the cattle
Speaker 7: like Elms is like we burned all the mk Ultra doctors. Well,
Speaker 7: of course you did, because the research is done, you
Speaker 7: don't need to do it. Kultra is the research arm.
Speaker 7: That's what people don't understand. It's not the operational arm.
Speaker 7: It was the one hundred and forty nine different things
Speaker 7: where they were gathering information and creating stuff and making cults.
Speaker 7: Like they were literally making cults. If you read have
Speaker 7: you ever heard of the book The Cours and Miracles
Speaker 7: and Williamson, that woman who ran for pres on right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's an mk ULTRA creation. That is the creation of
Speaker 7: a cult, of a of a of a fake thing,
Speaker 7: like she literally her husband was part of the mk
Speaker 7: Ultra sub subproject. So literally you think like, oh, k
Speaker 7: Alter never affected me. This woman Williamson is an offshoot
Speaker 7: of the mk Ultra by promoting a course of miracles
Speaker 7: and who else promotes a course of miracles?
Speaker 6: Oprah right total Williamson Williams.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I wonder if over time, I feel like these direct
Speaker 8: uh influences and manipulations of individuals of maybe morphed or
Speaker 8: kind of got more technologically advanced. Of course with a
Speaker 8: book or different things like we could or people could
Speaker 8: affect masses right and control or propaganda, all these things
Speaker 8: information manipulation. But I wonder if maybe there's this is
Speaker 8: a speculative question, but I wonder with all these technological advances,
Speaker 8: if you might have seen some court sort of wireless
Speaker 8: influence of people without drug manipulation or direct involvement even
Speaker 8: I wonder if they've gotten to that point.
Speaker 7: I think he does. I think the handler who's moved
Speaker 7: into an electronic handler. So you see this like if
Speaker 7: you remember Peyton Gendron, which is also an overlap with
Speaker 7: one A, which has kind of intelligence whiffs. It's not
Speaker 7: over overt, but that was the guy who decided one
Speaker 7: day to get in his car and drive to Buffalo,
Speaker 7: New York and kill people. He had an FBI handler
Speaker 7: and he was told to kill a cat, so he
Speaker 7: was being sent up the level of violence. And it's
Speaker 7: very similar to another case that I study in the UK. Well,
Speaker 7: the guy literally came out of the Tavistock Institute, killed
Speaker 7: a cat and then started randomly killing people. It's like
Speaker 7: they created an assassin, Like he came out of the
Speaker 7: Tavistock Institute and then did an SFK killing. And he
Speaker 7: was a transsexual. His name I don't even know his
Speaker 7: real name. They can't even disclose his real name. There's
Speaker 7: such trash in the UK. I wouldn't even step foot
Speaker 7: in the UK. But the guy's name is transit. His
Speaker 7: transsexual name was Scarlett Blake. And they're all connected and
Speaker 7: there's like people he's friends with in the US.
Speaker 5: Sept from the documentary Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 7: Oh, it's like that, It's okay.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 7: He was kind of like the other that was macnaughty
Speaker 7: or whatever. His name was Manati, who actually did a
Speaker 7: snuff film. But yeah, there seems to be a cat thing.
Speaker 7: So McNaughty elevated through cats to killing people. So did
Speaker 7: Scarlett Blake, and so did Peyton Jendron, who was a
Speaker 7: full on satan like he was involved in the nine
Speaker 7: like there. And Nikita Kasap, by the way, was the
Speaker 7: guy who was like part of the nine A who
Speaker 7: was threatening to kill Trump. So that's another kind of
Speaker 7: strange guy who underwent to change and was moving around
Speaker 7: a lot and seemed to have an online handler. He
Speaker 7: didn't seem to he had an online handler from somewhere.
Speaker 7: If you remember Kasapi killed his parents, he was like
Speaker 7: he talked about himself as a nin er. That's a
Speaker 7: very specific nine A like odor of nine angles. So
Speaker 7: the ninder is a shorter nine A. That's another like
Speaker 7: crazy murder. So this is like the Black Awakening. This
Speaker 7: is like rust is dark. So other people have mentioned that,
Speaker 7: and it's like really true.
Speaker 8: Those are really interesting points about how that the technological
Speaker 8: influence can be in the handler, if you will, but
Speaker 8: maybe it still requires some kind of direct manipulation. That
Speaker 8: The one thing that messed my head up with that
Speaker 8: Buffalo shooting was that one of the victims was an
Speaker 8: inventor of an engine that was, you know, similar to
Speaker 8: a few other designs, but essentially, you know, was a
Speaker 8: water powered engine and he like invented this process process
Speaker 8: to turn gasoline design into this engine. I know that
Speaker 8: sounds you see. I wonder if anyone else might I
Speaker 8: heard that.
Speaker 7: I heard that, Yeah, I did. I think we covered it.
Speaker 7: That's the guy's name. It was Scarlet Blake. Scarlet Blake.
Speaker 6: Even the uh, the the book that you know, we
Speaker 6: all like to go back to Dave McGowan's favorite famous book.
Speaker 6: They talk about how serial killers now have an alibi
Speaker 6: to to take out the target and several other ones.
Speaker 6: So what nobody suspects the target is the intended victim.
Speaker 6: So a lot of this stuff goes back to that.
Speaker 6: It's it's subterfuge and obviouscarte using a mass murderer.
Speaker 7: Think about the d C sniper Mohammed, but the he
Speaker 7: had this little gay lover boy or whatever and they
Speaker 7: went around shooting people. But they had some kind of
Speaker 7: weird phrase at the end. Do you remember the duck
Speaker 7: in a rug or whatever. And they had cards, they
Speaker 7: had literal like cards like like like man cheerion candidate.
Speaker 7: The chief of police was saying that it's incredible, and
Speaker 7: they the a couple of people who died were members
Speaker 7: of like you know, the CIA or something in the
Speaker 7: Defense department. So like he was he was said he is.
Speaker 7: His excuse was he was going to kill his wife
Speaker 7: and then kill a bunch of random people to cover
Speaker 7: up the fact he killed his wife. But that's something maham.
Speaker 7: He was known as the DC sniper. Pardon.
Speaker 6: There's so many holes in that story as well, like
Speaker 6: people saw their snipers and things like that, and they
Speaker 6: just sort of penned on their their Patsy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there you go, Patsy creation. Look up at. One
Speaker 7: of the key elements of Program to Kill is how
Speaker 7: many people were in the military, right, And that guy
Speaker 7: was in the military. He came out of the military,
Speaker 7: so did Oswald. Oswald was a marine. That's basically a
Speaker 7: subpart of naval intelligence.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: Who's the famous guy in in Program to Kill that said,
Speaker 7: we're in naval intelligence. We're training assassins and putting them
Speaker 7: all around the world. The guy's name is narret Na
Speaker 7: r Ut and it's literally in Program to Kill. And
Speaker 7: that story got spiked faster than anything, much like the
Speaker 7: bolt in their story. The guy who wore a mask
Speaker 7: to kill the two people in Minnesota, Right, that was spiked.
Speaker 7: He said he worked for the military and that he
Speaker 7: had credentials that showed he worked overseas, like he's been
Speaker 7: in like eight countries working and he said all kinds
Speaker 7: of stuff like Waltz made me go kill these people,
Speaker 7: and that's gone, baby gone, baby gone, So that ties
Speaker 7: into their rud and all. And McGowan, who was just
Speaker 7: so far ahead of his time. Man, he had so
Speaker 7: much keyed out, and that book is it's way ahead
Speaker 7: of its time because this stuff is still happening. And
Speaker 7: he mentions Esterbrooks right at the beginning, and it just
Speaker 7: showed how he was able to key into two really
Speaker 7: important salient facts and kind of get rid of the chaff.
Speaker 7: McGowan is a freaking giant.
Speaker 6: Well, Naval Intelligence is so central to all of this stuff.
Speaker 6: Everybody focuses on the CIA or FBI or these other agencies,
Speaker 6: but naval intelligence is the original intelligence agency for the country.
Speaker 6: If anything's going through anybody, it's going to be going
Speaker 6: through them first.
Speaker 7: They know psychological warfare, so they always they always successfully
Speaker 7: avoid getting tagged, like that's part of the gift, right,
Speaker 7: It's like, oh, it's not a CIA, but there's all
Speaker 7: kinds of like military guys around the death of JFK two,
Speaker 7: LeMay Willoughby Lansdale, but they always want people to blame
Speaker 7: the CIA. I think that's like, that's how clever they are,
Speaker 7: you know, like these I mean Lansdale. I mean famously,
Speaker 7: there's a picture supposedly of him in the JFK movie
Speaker 7: by Oliver Stone, right, like there's Lansdale and people have
Speaker 7: said that looks like it looks exactly like him from
Speaker 7: the back and.
Speaker 4: The show actually a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you brote that on. Yeah. Interesting, that guy's interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, he's a he's in a very important character. Also,
Speaker 7: like he went from like he was a psychological warfare
Speaker 7: expert doing some really dirty stuff in Philippines. Then he
Speaker 7: ends up in yeah, Vietnam, and then he ends up
Speaker 7: in Dallas in November sixty three. They all came out
Speaker 7: for the big kill, like they I think that this
Speaker 7: is a big moment for him, like we're going to
Speaker 7: finally get this past right here.
Speaker 6: So would you say that MK Ultra was more of
Speaker 6: a solidification of a process that was going on way
Speaker 6: before that time and more into initutionalizing it, taking it
Speaker 6: out of the private arena and institutionalizing it into a
Speaker 6: formal format. Basically that's what then infects the rest of
Speaker 6: the media and all the rest of the cultures is
Speaker 6: through that initial jump off from you know, private operators,
Speaker 6: the local hypnotist too, now the government hypnotists.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. I think there was the time
Speaker 7: if you remember, the fifties really was kind of the
Speaker 7: apex of American you know era it's really packs Americana
Speaker 7: where everybody else is exhausted for more, but the US
Speaker 7: is untouched and they have tons of money. We're now
Speaker 7: the big financial people. And so the outgrowth of mk
Speaker 7: ultro takes place in that environment where these huge like
Speaker 7: IBM comes to the top. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 7: like the technology of the time, Watson and you know,
Speaker 7: we can systematize everything, and this is the golden age
Speaker 7: of psychiatry. So all the stuff they have, the money
Speaker 7: and wealth, and they have the the intent to like
Speaker 7: these are sophisticated, well educated people Ali's and Princeton and
Speaker 7: secret societies and stuff like that, and I think that
Speaker 7: they decided at the very top they were going to
Speaker 7: get the best minds and try to really figure out
Speaker 7: what they could do and see if they could get results.
Speaker 7: And so mp LT is really just a massive research project,
Speaker 7: and I think they were happy with the results. They
Speaker 7: got tons of results and they found they they refined
Speaker 7: the techniques, and I think that they did it. So
Speaker 7: I think that the information was out there. Esterbrooks was
Speaker 7: starting in the thirties. There was a lot of guys
Speaker 7: in the Nazi camps who were doing this stuff. You know,
Speaker 7: they were doing hypnotists and giving people drugs and trying
Speaker 7: to find even like, if you want to go on
Speaker 7: a bad trip, go look at this guy Van der Lub,
Speaker 7: who was the supposed burning I mean, the reich State
Speaker 7: fire was a huge event in Germany. Right, it'd be
Speaker 7: the equivalent of burning down our capitol building. And the
Speaker 7: guy that they blamed on it, they blamed on the
Speaker 7: communist right, just like Oswald. Right, So he's a comedy.
Speaker 7: That's why he killed Kennedy, So Vanderloub. But if you
Speaker 7: look at Vanderloop, people are like, something's wrong with this guy.
Speaker 7: He doesn't lift his eyes up, He's staring at the ground.
Speaker 7: He's not he's not fighting. And a lot of these guys,
Speaker 7: like if you look at the shooters, they're confused. Even
Speaker 7: Oswald was confused. He's like, what the hell's going on?
Speaker 7: And even Chapman, some of these other guys are ruth like,
Speaker 7: he's smiling, he's in the cop car, laughing like hey,
Speaker 7: like they don't have to even comprehend the seriousness of
Speaker 7: what's going on. When the ruth got caught, if you remember,
Speaker 7: that was in mar A Lago, right, so Vanderloub they
Speaker 7: think was tampered with. And this is the early thirties.
Speaker 7: So when you say mk ultra systematized, that's what it was.
Speaker 7: It was systematize. This is what this is what Dolas
Speaker 7: is a key figure, and this is what he said
Speaker 7: when he wrote his brain Warfare speech in fifty three
Speaker 7: April tenth, fifty three. Quote the target of this brain
Speaker 7: warfare wharfer is the minds of men, both on a
Speaker 7: collective and on an individual basis. So we're thinking the
Speaker 7: public's thinking, oh, they're just tanking rearing with people. No no, no, no.
Speaker 7: They are thinking on a collective like societal basis, and
Speaker 7: that's what Dulas is thinking about. Its aim is to conditioned,
Speaker 7: conditioning the mind so that it no longer reacts on
Speaker 7: a free will or rational basis, but responds to impulses
Speaker 7: implanted from the outside. These are just.
Speaker 2: That's that's memes today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so irrationality conditioned responses. Look at all the conditioned
Speaker 7: responses these people have. They almost don't even think. If
Speaker 7: you run into like what people call normies or TV watchers,
Speaker 7: they don't even have critical thinking skills. Man, it's not
Speaker 7: a joke. I run into them all the time. I
Speaker 7: don't say anything. But they've literally been programmed from the outside.
Speaker 7: They've had implanted thoughts from the outside. So that's why
Speaker 7: that's why mancheerion candidates so important and understanding all this stuff.
Speaker 4: Something I want to ask you, William h when it
Speaker 4: comes to like MK ultra you know, well, I'll try
Speaker 4: to wed it this way when it comes you know,
Speaker 4: with the United States, Uh, I think if you kind
Speaker 4: of like look at it like around World War two,
Speaker 4: you'll you'll see that like we'll take doctors, Nazi doctors
Speaker 4: that did like crazy experiments, and we'll take Japanese doctors
Speaker 4: from I forgot that unit that Yeah, yeah, well we'll
Speaker 4: take their doctors that did like weird wild you know,
Speaker 4: creep shit, weird shit to people too. It seems like
Speaker 4: you know, we'll take them over. And I sometimes wonder
Speaker 4: do we do that and we take everybody's like data
Speaker 4: that they had and then we implement something here. I've
Speaker 4: often wondered did we do that with mk ulture, Like
Speaker 4: was Russia actually Russia and Germany their prior work in
Speaker 4: that field. Did we somehow kind of get that or
Speaker 4: use that here?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 7: I think so. I think they were trying to get it.
Speaker 7: This is a good book. I just should have tripped
Speaker 7: Nazi Germany, the CIA and the Dawn of the Psychoedel.
Speaker 7: So a lot of the LSD stuff came out of
Speaker 7: Germany Hoffmann Sandos and then was brought over and they
Speaker 7: realized it was super proud and powerful. So that's one example.
Speaker 7: But I think that they were always looking at people
Speaker 7: like you know, in Russia, trying to get their stuff,
Speaker 7: and they're analyzing the Communist block at that time, and
Speaker 7: they thought that they were Like there was a guy
Speaker 7: named mind Zenzi. It's hard to pronounce. He's Hungarian, but
Speaker 7: he was on TV and they thought he was acting strange,
Speaker 7: just like Nanderloub, like he was having like conditioned responses
Speaker 7: and stuff. So that set off all the national security guys.
Speaker 7: That's just one example. So they were definitely interested in
Speaker 7: the Russians. And Pavlov had done all this conditioned response
Speaker 7: stuff and I think they were trying to automate the
Speaker 7: human brain. Like these are really hardcore power people. They're
Speaker 7: into power, and they were immoral. And Dulas is not
Speaker 7: a Christian. He was from a Christian family, but he
Speaker 7: believed that like a technocratic elite should run everything and
Speaker 7: he would be the technocrat, right, the super smart technocrat.
Speaker 7: And that's kind of what the CEA really was. It
Speaker 7: was like a fourth estate in the US that took
Speaker 7: over the other three branches of government even to this day,
Speaker 7: and I mean probably all the way up until recently,
Speaker 7: it had superpower. Like I think Trump he was smart.
Speaker 7: He didn't destroy the sea, he didn't threaten the CIA
Speaker 7: like JFK, I'm gonna splinter it into a thousand pieces.
Speaker 7: He just puts some guy from Texas, like a mid level,
Speaker 7: low level attorney in the job, so he didn't have
Speaker 7: like that's how That's how a lot of people politicians
Speaker 7: protect themselves. They usually there their vice president's an idiot
Speaker 7: or something, you know, you put in like a total
Speaker 7: more on like Kamala Harris or who did who did
Speaker 7: Bush have? It was that one guy from Indiana who
Speaker 7: couldn't spell potato, So that that's what they did. So
Speaker 7: they don't break They don't break these to tease apart.
Speaker 7: They just their hams drung by stupid anyways, So I
Speaker 7: think that is really in the part. Were going to
Speaker 7: show it though, Yeah, they right here can bring them up.
Speaker 7: There's the that's the poster for it. Crooks mystery Ruth.
Speaker 7: And see him smiling. He got busted. He's gonna kill
Speaker 7: the president. Look at his face. Why is it he nervous?
Speaker 7: He's going to the rest of his life. I'd be
Speaker 7: really concerned. Not a care in the world. Man just
Speaker 7: kind of walking around weird MANGIONI a lot like McVeigh,
Speaker 7: walk out like McVeigh. Right, McVeigh said he had a
Speaker 7: freaking he was implanted Chapman. This guy's this whole story
Speaker 7: is a crazy story. The guy this is the Aurora
Speaker 7: movie shooter. I forgot his name, Thinkley Liveelsburger Jabbar. This
Speaker 7: is the cover of the Manchurion candidate. This is what
Speaker 7: called Richard Condon looked like. If you've seen Pritzy's honor.
Speaker 7: He also wrote that book, so that's in the movie.
Speaker 7: And this is an interesting book cover man Cheerion candidate
Speaker 7: with the shattered kind of motif. This is kind of
Speaker 7: like how they depict shattered minds too, so I think
Speaker 7: that that's important. They talk about hypnosis. He talks about hypnosis.
Speaker 7: This is the intro by Condon, nineteen ninety one. Oh.
Speaker 7: One of the interesting points is that the Angela Lansbury.
Speaker 7: Lansbury character Eleanor is based on Roy Combe, who is
Speaker 7: Donald Trump's kind of like mentor, right, So it's kind
Speaker 7: of ties into the present day. And Roy Cohn was
Speaker 7: behind the McCarthy stuff. He was a blackmailer and really
Speaker 7: dark gay. This is a Condon. There was a popular
Speaker 7: notion and deadly self protective that no one could be
Speaker 7: persuaded under hypnosis to do anything which was inherently born
Speaker 7: to him. Reams of research proved this to be untrue.
Speaker 7: That's what Manchuria looks like. So that's kind of like
Speaker 7: above Korea. Korea was bombed to smithereens by the way
Speaker 7: in fifty to fifty three. There was like no building standing.
Speaker 7: It was like Causa of its era. Sinatra was in
Speaker 7: a movie in nineteen fifty four called Suddenly, where he
Speaker 7: gets into a building and gets a rifle and shoots
Speaker 7: the president and the dry by he's driving by in
Speaker 7: an auto parade. You can't even write this stuff, so
Speaker 7: check out Suddenly. But these are a Sinatra and JFK together,
Speaker 7: both close personal friends. Central motif of the Manchurian candidate
Speaker 7: is this. This is the triggering effect. It's the Queen
Speaker 7: of Diamonds. And the reason that the hypnotist used it
Speaker 7: is because the main character, Raymond Shat, had a very
Speaker 7: cantankerous relationship with his mother and in the book the
Speaker 7: mother puts him under a hypnot expel and has sex
Speaker 7: with so like it's a reverse sex life. The man
Speaker 7: is the boys the sex life.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: You know what I was gonna say is the Queen
Speaker 4: being shown over and over again kept making me think
Speaker 4: about like kind of like the female handler or like
Speaker 4: a scarlet horror type of situation. And then you just
Speaker 4: said that, So I do wonder about that symbolism or
Speaker 4: she would like kind of manipulate the prince.
Speaker 7: You know, this is his first dream three eleven. I
Speaker 7: think I showed that there's eleven guys here. This is
Speaker 7: Yen Loo. He says some pretty interesting stuff. He's he's like,
Speaker 7: he's like the avatar for all of the mind control researchers.
Speaker 7: So they have in the orcs at the Pavlov Institute.
Speaker 7: It's pretty incredible stuff. I can probably show some videos too.
Speaker 7: But like here's the they see them. They're at a
Speaker 7: at a party for a bunch of horticulturalists. But this
Speaker 7: woman has bay inet. You know, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 7: The way they edited it is really good. But Raymond
Speaker 7: Shaw then strangles this guy and Sinatra wakes up screaming,
Speaker 7: and they have post hypnotic suggestions, so they really nobody
Speaker 7: likes Raymond Shaw. But when asked, Sinatra's character Marcus says,
Speaker 7: Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human
Speaker 7: being I've ever known in my life, which is passionthally untrue.
Speaker 7: They're kind of shooting you here if they point the
Speaker 7: gun right at the audience. This guy relates that the
Speaker 7: African American guy in the movie this is interesting is
Speaker 7: the key phrase Raymond Mono, who passed time been playing solitaire.
Speaker 7: When they did the Art of Joke things, they actually
Speaker 7: found that they could induce people into a hypnotic state
Speaker 7: through the phone in the fifties, so they knew that
Speaker 7: in the early fifties, so they were finding out a
Speaker 7: lot of this information he's kept in he's in the
Speaker 7: hospital again. That's where he's reprogrammed by Low and there
Speaker 7: he is right there. He ends up in the US,
Speaker 7: so his handler comes from Manchuria to New York City
Speaker 7: to handle Raymond Shaw. There's an example of neuro linguistic
Speaker 7: programming in this movie, which is Eleanor's kind of not
Speaker 7: very bright husband can't remember how many Communists are, so
Speaker 7: she has him like shaking hines and she says fifty seven,
Speaker 7: so will remember it. So she implants in his brain
Speaker 7: the memory of the fifty seven by attaching it to
Speaker 7: the Hinds tomato ketchup bottle. It's pretty interesting. They did
Speaker 7: a play. There's also a common theme in these and
Speaker 7: it's common kind of with the Pinky and Chapman is
Speaker 7: this morphing of characters. So the stepfather of Raymond Shaw,
Speaker 7: they're always kind of morphing him into Lincoln, who then
Speaker 7: gets assassinated. And that's the foreshadowing to the end of
Speaker 7: this movie, is he gets shot by Raymond gets assassinated.
Speaker 7: This is when Sinatra realizes these two people are in
Speaker 7: his dream and they're both assets, like intel assets in
Speaker 7: the Soviet Union. The Queen he goes and jumps in
Speaker 7: the lake in Central Park. This is the military psychiatrist
Speaker 7: who realizes that the Solar Games solitaire game serves as
Speaker 7: some kind of trigger mechanism, and there's because of their
Speaker 7: symbolic identification with human beings. This is where she says,
Speaker 7: eleven minutes on each side of my stake. She's the queen, right,
Speaker 7: so now she's dressed as the queen. So she's the
Speaker 7: Queen of diamonds. She's the living embodiment. And there's the
Speaker 7: there's the bust of Lincoln again. She's got her son
Speaker 7: under hypnotism. She's his new handler. And then Marco Sinatra
Speaker 7: breaks his conditioning with like a loaded deck of all
Speaker 7: Queen of Diamonds and then instructs him and stuff he
Speaker 7: misses out. Sean gets away, he kills his his favorite
Speaker 7: is Paramore, his girlfriend over a checkerboard, a checkerboard kitchen
Speaker 7: tile floor, and then she's she programs him and this
Speaker 7: is where she kisses him. In the book, they they
Speaker 7: do the deed. One of the interesting things is he
Speaker 7: dresses up as a priest at the end to commit
Speaker 7: the commit the commit the crime. So it's also interesting
Speaker 7: because Fairy dress up in priest outfits. He's handling Oswald.
Speaker 7: And also the guy who was the hypnotic kind of
Speaker 7: person involved in this, a guy by the name of
Speaker 7: William Joseph Bryan Jior. Have you ever heard of William
Speaker 7: Joseph Brian, friend of like weird things, He's friends of Sinatra,
Speaker 7: He's friends of Melvin Belli who would go on to
Speaker 7: represent Jack Ruby, and also friends with the Bailey Bailey
Speaker 7: who was also another attorney, well known attorney who worked
Speaker 7: on the OJ case. But yeah, those are basically my slides.
Speaker 7: We can watch some videos of this, let's see those
Speaker 7: are the elevens. Also the movies that came out at
Speaker 7: the seven times. So after Frankenheimer directed May Cheerion Candidate,
Speaker 7: the next movie was Seven Days in May, which is
Speaker 7: about a military takeover of the United States and JFK
Speaker 7: kind of let this one, kind of approved this and
Speaker 7: this this was released in nineteen sixty four in January,
Speaker 7: right after the assassination. But JFK allowed Frankenheimer to use
Speaker 7: the He actually took a weekend in Hanna's Port and
Speaker 7: let them film on the White House. So they're literally
Speaker 7: filming at the White House. So I think JFK wanted
Speaker 7: to put this into the zeitgeist. I think it's intentional. Also,
Speaker 7: big names Ava Gardner, Kirk Douglas, Britt Lancaster, and then
Speaker 7: Strangelove came out January nineteen sixty four as well. Weird movie.
Speaker 6: That other movie seems really reminiscent of the business plot
Speaker 6: that was talked about by Smedley Butler in front of Congress.
Speaker 6: It's got that sort of feel to it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting you bring that up, because those guys
Speaker 7: were all kind of into Nexus Bush. It was Prescott Bush,
Speaker 7: Alan Dolas Alan Dolls worked for like what they called
Speaker 7: the White Shoe law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell, which was
Speaker 7: basically just a front for the Rockefellers and all business interests.
Speaker 7: But Dulas was a real low yer ball, like he
Speaker 7: was amazing, super smart. I don't think he's a good person,
Speaker 7: but he he was involved with all that stuff. That
Speaker 7: whole Thank Spedley Butler wars a racket. It really is
Speaker 7: incredible when you think about it who these guys were,
Speaker 7: you know, what they were involved, what they were doing.
Speaker 7: And then there're Sir Hands. Sir Hand, he's he almost
Speaker 7: like an Oswald figure. Nineteen sixty eight. One of the
Speaker 7: interesting things about Frankenheimer is that Frankenheimer directed those two movies.
Speaker 7: And then in sixty eight RFK, the brother of JFK
Speaker 7: is running for president, comes to California. Where does he
Speaker 7: stay before he's killed? He stays at the Frankenheimer residents
Speaker 7: and Frankenheimer, the director of the Manchurian candidate, drove RFK
Speaker 7: to his fate to the Ambassador Hotel. And so he
Speaker 7: was at the Ambassador when Sir Hands Serhan was there,
Speaker 7: and according to a researcher, Sir Han Syrian brushed by
Speaker 7: Frankenheimer and at the night So he like literally wrote
Speaker 7: a book about programmed assassins. And then this guy who's
Speaker 7: just there's another show. I've done shows on this cabin.
Speaker 7: This uh, this guy's been tampered with. There's no question
Speaker 7: about it. He would write, Rfka must die, like hypno
Speaker 7: program stuff. Rfka must die. Rfka must die. He wrote
Speaker 7: about the Illuminati. He had radio man. There's just all kinds.
Speaker 7: I mean, just off the charts. He was in and
Speaker 7: out of the hospital from sixty six to sixty seven.
Speaker 7: He would write practice practice, practice, mind control, mind control,
Speaker 7: mind control, That's what he would write, like automatic writing.
Speaker 7: I have. This is like a follow up paper. But
Speaker 7: RFK Must Die. There's a bunch of books on this stuff.
Speaker 7: RFK Must Die. That's by Kaiser, and then Assassination of
Speaker 7: Robert Kennedy, timp Tate, I've talked to him, and then
Speaker 7: Lisa Piece's book. I remember. I recommend all these books.
Speaker 7: But what's also interesting is that also in LA at
Speaker 7: the time that Sir Hans Surian is there, guess who
Speaker 7: else is in LA. James Earl Ray. James Earl Ray
Speaker 7: is filtering through LA. He's hanging out with like hypnotists,
Speaker 7: He's hanging out with alternate figures, much like Sir Hansurian.
Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden he's in Memphis and
Speaker 7: there he is like supposedly he's the one who took
Speaker 7: the but he's dead now. He took the blame for
Speaker 7: killing Martin Luther King, which I don't think is correct.
Speaker 7: And we can go into mind control hold. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's just Percy. All these guys. People are still saying
Speaker 7: that Oswald's act alone. This is an interesting picture because
Speaker 7: when they dragged out me and Gione's dressed like Oswald.
Speaker 7: It's incredible. It's almost like it's like they were playing
Speaker 7: around with motives. I don't even know what's.
Speaker 5: Going on, even the guy's next to him.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I believe they took out Oswald to his death,
Speaker 7: like they knew they were bringing him out at the
Speaker 7: right time for that shooting to commence.
Speaker 2: Like Major in federal custody.
Speaker 7: I think he's at the same Uh. Yeah, I think
Speaker 7: he's at the same jail that they put Epstein and
Speaker 7: Gillian Maxwell in.
Speaker 4: He's gonna say those shoes of federal issue shoes, Ye,
Speaker 4: federal prison shoes as well.
Speaker 7: Do you want to watch a few clips of other
Speaker 7: Mitcher and Kennedy. Yeah, you have to bring it up.
Speaker 7: You have to bring up.
Speaker 2: I thought it was on there for some reason.
Speaker 10: The war in Korea was over. Captain now Major Bennett
Speaker 10: Marco had been reassigned to Army intelligence in Washington. It
Speaker 10: was a pleasant assignment except for one thing. Night after night,
Speaker 10: the Major was plagued by the same reoccurring night stop.
Speaker 13: Another modern discovery, which we owe to the hyde granga.
Speaker 5: Concerns the influence of.
Speaker 13: Air drainage upon plant climate.
Speaker 14: Many years ago, when I was traveling about the country,
Speaker 14: I know this magnificent hyde granges on the hills where
Speaker 14: the air drainage was perfect and very poor specimens, so perhaps.
Speaker 5: Not at all in the valleys.
Speaker 13: Formerly we used to consider sheltered valleys more favorable to
Speaker 13: plants than hilltops. But the avoidance of late spring and
Speaker 13: early autumn frost enjoyed by sights with good air drainage,
Speaker 13: where the cold air can grain safely away to lower levels,
Speaker 13: gives the hills a decided advantage. Thus it was the
Speaker 13: hydranges that gave the first pointer in another modern discovery
Speaker 13: of horticultural importance. From this, it might appear that the
Speaker 13: hyde range is a fairly simple plant, but there are
Speaker 13: more complications. The cultivation of hydranges was evolved from a
Speaker 13: number of varieties originally found in Japan, not all of which,
Speaker 13: of course have the same characteristics. Two of them do
Speaker 13: not share the quality of producing blue flowers in mineral
Speaker 13: rich soils.
Speaker 15: Allow me to introduce our American visitors, I must ask
Speaker 15: you to forgive this somewhat lackadaisical matters. But I have
Speaker 15: conditioned them or brainwashed them, which I understand is the
Speaker 15: new American work to believe that they are waiting out
Speaker 15: of storm.
Speaker 13: The lobby of a small hotel in.
Speaker 15: New Jersey where a meeting of the Ladies Garden Club
Speaker 15: is in progress, you.
Speaker 13: Will notice that I have told them they may smoke.
Speaker 14: I've allowed my people to have a little fun in
Speaker 14: the selection of bizarre tobacco substitutes. Are you enjoying your cigarette.
Speaker 15: Head, Yes, ma'am, yeah, don oh taste good like a
Speaker 15: cigarette should.
Speaker 1: Well, then, comrade, may I.
Speaker 13: Present the famous Raymond Shaw.
Speaker 15: Young man, You've flown eight thousand miles to this dreary
Speaker 15: spot in Manchuria to see.
Speaker 7: He's literally handled from the US to go there for conditioning.
Speaker 7: That's the whole thing, is there. It's not by accident.
Speaker 7: And then he sent back to the United States alike
Speaker 7: like Oswald, who was in a hospital in Minsk. Like
Speaker 7: Oswald's in and out of the hospital a lot.
Speaker 15: It's incredible, Raymond, pull your chair over here by me, please.
Speaker 15: I am sure you've all heard the old wives tale
Speaker 15: that no hypnotized subject may be forced to do that
Speaker 15: which is repellent to his moral nature.
Speaker 1: Whatever that may be.
Speaker 7: Nonsense, of course, So the whole thing that they tell
Speaker 7: people is you can't do things against your moral nature.
Speaker 7: It's nonsense. Much like what Condon wrote in his intro
Speaker 7: to man Sharing candidate.
Speaker 15: Oh you note, takers might set down a reminder to
Speaker 15: consult Brenman's paper Experiments in the Hypnotic Production of anti
Speaker 15: social and self Injurious Behavior or Wells nineteen forty one
Speaker 15: paper which was titled I Believe Experiments in the Hypnotic
Speaker 15: Production of prime.
Speaker 13: Or of course Andrew Salter's remarkable book Conditioned Reflex Therapy
Speaker 13: Today only three or if it avenge you that only
Speaker 13: the West is working to manufacture more crime and better.
Speaker 15: Criminals against the modern shocking I suggest kres Lukowski's primary
Speaker 15: violence motivation serbs the unilateral.
Speaker 7: So he's reflecting all this research that's taking place in
Speaker 7: the fifties on this academic research motivational violence tradition reflexes
Speaker 7: hypnotic production of crime. You remember, Manson is a hypnotist.
Speaker 7: He's actually hypnotizing his people. They don't really know that,
Speaker 7: but he's he's he hypnotized that famous kind of Latino actor.
Speaker 7: Have you ever seen that clip? Anybody? Let me see
Speaker 7: if I can find it.
Speaker 15: Question to destruction, my dear again, as you grow older,
Speaker 15: grow more along with it.
Speaker 1: And to get to the point.
Speaker 12: Has the man ever kicked any one?
Speaker 1: Has he not?
Speaker 13: I apologize, my dear Dmitri. I keep forgetting that you're
Speaker 13: a young country and your attention span is limited.
Speaker 5: Tell me, Raymond, have you ever killed anyone?
Speaker 1: No, ma'am, not even in combat? In combat, yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 15: Of course you have.
Speaker 7: Raymond.
Speaker 15: Raymond has been a crackshot since childhood.
Speaker 13: Marvelous outlet for his aggressions.
Speaker 14: May I have the bay of it?
Speaker 10: Please, not with the knife, with the hands, with the
Speaker 10: hands here.
Speaker 15: I have him use this ah dah dah, Raymond, whom
Speaker 15: do you dislike? The least in your group here today?
Speaker 1: The least? That's right? Well, I guess Captain marcammand you notice.
Speaker 13: How he is always drawn to authority.
Speaker 7: That won't do, Raymond.
Speaker 14: We need the captain to get you your medal.
Speaker 1: Who melts, well, I guess, said MOOLI ma'am ah. That's better.
Speaker 15: Now, then Raymond, take this scar and strangle at to death.
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am excuse all right, hey, such cut it up?
Speaker 15: Quiet dead please, Now you just sit there quietly cooperate.
Speaker 12: I guess, ma'am major do your knowledge.
Speaker 7: Let me see if I can bring up this. This
Speaker 7: is good. I don't want you to get a strike
Speaker 7: for like ripping off.
Speaker 2: Of yeah, maam, over and over again. The man.
Speaker 7: What's the yeah?
Speaker 3: They man?
Speaker 7: They're man because in their minds they think that young Low,
Speaker 7: doctor Yen Low, is a woman, so they keep calling
Speaker 7: ma'am that's under their zapp.
Speaker 6: It's so funny the parallels between that and the screen
Speaker 6: memories when it comes to alien abductees' is like they're
Speaker 6: seeing the whole world is one thing, and then once
Speaker 6: they kind of see behind it, it's like everything that
Speaker 6: they're being presented as this sort of screen memory is
Speaker 6: just false. It's just to make them at ease so
Speaker 6: that they're not freaking out it being in whatever environment
Speaker 6: that they're they're actually in.
Speaker 7: Right, Oh, it's not working. I don't know why that's
Speaker 7: not showing up.
Speaker 2: It's all right, we're trying to pull up, trying to
Speaker 2: pull this video. Oh there it is, my bad.
Speaker 16: How was Manson in prison? Didn't you? What was that story.
Speaker 16: He tells us howe jail.
Speaker 3: In the county jail. But let me tell Charlie, wasn't
Speaker 3: the guy that you saw on the TV specials, all right?
Speaker 1: He was a god.
Speaker 3: He was like five foot four, five foot vibe, a
Speaker 3: little scrawny.
Speaker 7: He was poor, kind of like a bum. Really.
Speaker 3: He he had a he had a uh, a string
Speaker 3: for a belt. He tied his pats with a string
Speaker 3: because he could afford a belt, you know. And and
Speaker 3: everybody we dressed, you know, cool iron our pan and
Speaker 3: uh and so the some of the prisoners were gonna
Speaker 3: take advantage of the I'm gonna take advantage of anybody
Speaker 3: it's small. And uh, we found out that he could
Speaker 3: hypnotize you. So we we let him sleep in front
Speaker 3: of our cell to to you know, to make sure
Speaker 3: that nobody had hurt him. And and uh he got
Speaker 3: us loaded on weed. And and three of the guys
Speaker 3: that sell everybody else had like six guys in their cell.
Speaker 7: We only had three because we were special.
Speaker 3: I had two killers with me, so so so uh
Speaker 3: and then uh and then he got us loaded on
Speaker 3: weed and guys well get us loaded on heroin. So
Speaker 3: the three of us tried to get loaded. He got
Speaker 3: two of us loaded on heroin. One guy just woke up.
Speaker 3: And afterwards I asked him, how come welcome? He couldn't
Speaker 3: do him and he said, he asked, did you ever
Speaker 3: get loaded on heroin? He goes, no, your mind doesn't
Speaker 3: know how to work. You understand, your mind doesn't know
Speaker 3: how to react. If I tell you to do something
Speaker 3: while you're hypnotized and you haven't done it before, or
Speaker 3: you don't know how to do it, uh, you'll just
Speaker 3: wake up.
Speaker 7: And that's what kept having.
Speaker 16: Yeah, so you're sadden that he got.
Speaker 17: He got you guys loaded up on heroin a weed,
Speaker 17: But there was no heroin a weed in the room, right.
Speaker 17: He was doing this purely through hypnosis.
Speaker 3: People know, when I get loaded on heroin, my eyes,
Speaker 3: I get red under my eyes and it's like literally,
Speaker 3: uh the first of blah, you throw up, you dump
Speaker 3: and I mean uh me and chataways like He's like,
Speaker 3: we've both got bah. He dumped in the sink. I
Speaker 3: dumped in the in the toilet and looked like, hey,
Speaker 3: what do you know what I mean? And boy, everybody
Speaker 3: was like shocked and and this uh uh uh Johnny
Speaker 3: Ronnie Cruz, he was like, well, what happened? You know,
Speaker 3: he never gotten loaded and and uh, boy, I kept
Speaker 3: I you know, I was sorry when they transfered Charlie out.
Speaker 17: Uh you've basically got unlimited access to anything that you
Speaker 17: want because he can just keep on hypnotizing you back
Speaker 17: into it.
Speaker 16: What was he in for? Do you know why he
Speaker 16: was there?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was nothing, nothing of any you know, because
Speaker 3: he was a petty thief.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 16: He wasn't.
Speaker 3: You know what, not to speak ill of the dead.
Speaker 3: But Charlie couldn't have done that any place, anytime but
Speaker 3: right there. And my friend George Perry knew him in Frisco,
Speaker 3: knew him in Oakland, Okay. And he was a he
Speaker 3: was a scrawny little hippie. And the girls that he got,
Speaker 3: Linda Casseded, all of them were broken, you know. All
Speaker 3: they were up in Oakland and San Francisco being ripped
Speaker 3: off by the pimps and and raped by the pimps.
Speaker 7: And and so.
Speaker 3: He came around with a big bus and dram acids
Speaker 3: let me lead you. So it was kind of like
Speaker 3: they looked at him like, yeah, he's the messiah.
Speaker 17: You know they were already vulnerable, they were already primed
Speaker 17: for somebody like him to come in.
Speaker 3: And say they were so broken you and so needed
Speaker 3: needed somebody to take care of them.
Speaker 17: In the same way that you could have done with
Speaker 17: a bit of extra heroin owed in prison.
Speaker 16: Thank you very much for tuning in.
Speaker 7: He tells that story multiple times. But see how Charlie
Speaker 7: could emulate drugs and somebody through hypnotism, and then the
Speaker 7: same thing's happening is reflected in The Manchurian Candidate where
Speaker 7: yen Lo is making them smoke yak shit thinking it's cigarettes,
Speaker 7: that's the power. Charlie knew that stuff. He was a
Speaker 7: he was an accomplished hypnotist, and he hyzed girls.
Speaker 6: Probably what I think was really interesting is the fact
Speaker 6: that you can't do something to a person that hasn't
Speaker 6: felt it before, seen it before. So the idea in
Speaker 6: this movie the Managarian Candidate, of them taking all these
Speaker 6: killers and to teach them how to be trained to
Speaker 6: kill is you know, really obvious. It's eye opening. What
Speaker 6: they're doing is they're taking people who have the experience
Speaker 6: to do this stuff, and they're reprogramming there wants and
Speaker 6: needs based off of what they've seen before.
Speaker 7: Much like what Charlie's technique with the girls was is
Speaker 7: reflected in The Manchurian Candidate where they use the Queen
Speaker 7: of Diamonds because of Raymond's attachment to his mother, and
Speaker 7: Charlie would get them and get quiet and say I'm
Speaker 7: now your daddy. He would step into the father role.
Speaker 7: So he would morph into the father role for these girls,
Speaker 7: and that's why they were so attached to him. And
Speaker 7: if you look at them after the arrests and stuff
Speaker 7: like that, they're acting like cult members or people involved
Speaker 7: in post ednotic involvement. He or somebody he I don't know.
Speaker 7: He supposedly had a handler. He supposedly had some He
Speaker 7: was associated, no question with the Processed Church. But I
Speaker 7: think maybe one of the guys at the hate Ashbury
Speaker 7: Clinic may have been handling Charlie or influencing him. But
Speaker 7: he was a he was a high level scientologist, which
Speaker 7: makes a lot of sense. That's probably where he learned hypnotism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this down. Is there anything else
Speaker 2: you wanted to add?
Speaker 7: I could do thirty hours, but I think I've been
Speaker 7: talking all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well plus.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think this movie should be watched. It's
Speaker 7: really it's really advanced, and it ties into so many deaths.
Speaker 7: I mean, I could bring up my Oswald stuff, but
Speaker 7: I think we covered enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, for sure, for sure. Did anybody have
Speaker 4: any questions or anything they wanted to add? That was
Speaker 4: your time?
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, Hell dis you guess them.
Speaker 6: Well, I was going to say, you don't see very
Speaker 6: many hypnosis entertainers going onto military bases to do you know,
Speaker 6: the entertainment for those soldiers. But we can kind of
Speaker 6: see why that is, you know, I mean, you would
Speaker 6: have a lot better shot of taking a bunch of soldiers,
Speaker 6: getting them hypnotized at having them go out into the
Speaker 6: streets and kill people as opposed to just regular ordinary
Speaker 6: people who have never seen that kind of combat before.
Speaker 6: And it brings up the Fort braggshooters, which we really
Speaker 6: didn't get into the Fort Bragg you know, because I
Speaker 6: mean Fort Bragg has always been known as the home
Speaker 6: for special operations and insane killers and drug smuggling. So
Speaker 6: you've got all the elements right there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. I mean this is kind
Speaker 7: of a core thing I think at time, at the
Speaker 7: late fifties early sixties, and then it just spread out
Speaker 7: through the culture, through current events, through assassins, through people
Speaker 7: getting tampered with. Up until the current date, there's high technology.
Speaker 7: They can do voice to school, they can do all
Speaker 7: kinds of pretty crazy stuff, radio stuff. They really what
Speaker 7: they really the challenge of hypnotism, and even I think
Speaker 7: Treyho kind of brought it across is certain people can
Speaker 7: be hypnotized and others can't. So they have to find
Speaker 7: the right subject. When they found sir answer, and they
Speaker 7: found a great subject, but not everybody. And there are
Speaker 7: some people say that you can be turned into a
Speaker 7: hypnotizable subject. But I'd rather not go into that. Stay away.
Speaker 7: If you don't trust your doctor, man, do not go
Speaker 7: to that doctor. And some of these things are still around,
Speaker 7: Like I was doing research on the experiments at Menlo
Speaker 7: Park and one of these kind of NGO kind of
Speaker 7: New Age psychological centers, I don't want to say it,
Speaker 7: but that was around there in the sixties involved in
Speaker 7: LSD research and hypnotism still has an office in the park. So, like,
Speaker 7: you don't know what these people are going to get
Speaker 7: exposed to. They don't know. They may think they're just
Speaker 7: going to get counseling like you and Cameron's victims. They're
Speaker 7: going to just get some like oh, maybe get some pills.
Speaker 7: And then bringing up the SSRIs is a whole other story,
Speaker 7: Like you don't know what they're tampering with or what
Speaker 7: they really know about the SSRIs because you're kind of
Speaker 7: in a fugue state, and there's definitely a correlation between
Speaker 7: those drugs and assassins and stuff. Most of those guys
Speaker 7: are on. They're not antidepressants. It's a misnomer. It's like
Speaker 7: safe and effective. They really don't make you. It's not
Speaker 7: like a euphoria puts you into kind of a numb state.
Speaker 7: It's almost like you're dissociated, so you won't be depressed
Speaker 7: because you're not feeling anything, you know, So I would stay.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't even take an SSR, right, you can. You
Speaker 7: can pay me any money to do.
Speaker 4: That, Okay, all right, well, uh oh real quick. I'll
Speaker 4: let everybody you know mention this stuff again. Be where
Speaker 4: we wrap this up, Brook, Let everybody know where they
Speaker 4: can find yourself in. Remind everybody we're going to be
Speaker 4: speaking at I think you forgot that at the beginning.
Speaker 5: Awesomely, Oh I did. Thank you and thank you. This
Speaker 5: was fascinating. I've never seen that interview on Manson and
Speaker 5: just found that really incredible. You can find me. I'll
Speaker 5: be speaking at Charlie's Beyond Belief Expo in Fort Myers,
Speaker 5: Florida on October eighteenth, and the Occult Rejects will also
Speaker 5: be there. It's going to be a really fun event,
Speaker 5: so please come out and you can find me on Instagram,
Speaker 5: at Dark Florida Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you so much, Roke, I appreciate it. Thank you,
Speaker 2: and Headles Giants.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Nick, thank you, William. This has been a
Speaker 6: great episode. I think more people really need to start
Speaker 6: digging into the stuff because if ignorance is the number
Speaker 6: one method of mind control, the only care is knowledge.
Speaker 6: So we got to get to that point where people
Speaker 6: can start to understand and identify these triggers which are
Speaker 6: going on all around them, especially in the electronic world.
Speaker 6: You know, your your newsfeed might be geared specifically for you,
Speaker 6: and you have to be able to sort of detach
Speaker 6: yourself from what you're seeing on your phones, just so
Speaker 6: that you can have some perspective in your own life.
Speaker 6: So you can find me on Twitter and Instagram and YouTube.
Speaker 6: And if you have any occult paranormal stories, send them
Speaker 6: to me at the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot
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Speaker 6: So definitely check that out Thursday night Sunday Mornings with
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Speaker 6: thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, thank you very much, sir and Ethan Indigo.
Speaker 4: Please let everybody know what's over you.
Speaker 7: Well, that was awesome Headless and the whole.
Speaker 8: What you just said in the whole podcast makes me
Speaker 8: think of what Buddha said, the mind is the slayer
Speaker 8: of the real and so sometimes like we fool ourselves, so.
Speaker 7: Can we get fooled by?
Speaker 16: Thanks?
Speaker 8: So stay grounded, right, But yeah, I'm on all the
Speaker 8: usual social media and easy.
Speaker 7: To find and thanks everyone.
Speaker 2: Thanks William, thank you very much, Jan and Tyrone s.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 9: That was actually awesome. I'm gonna go watch that movie
Speaker 9: now because I was getting into it, but I know
Speaker 9: what the covey right, we couldn't watch it. Also, I'm
Speaker 9: actually gonna go back and watch that tonight as go
Speaker 9: back and see what stuff I can find and research
Speaker 9: and stuff like that. So I do appreciate that everything
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Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Nick, of course, of course.
Speaker 4: And William let everybody know again one more time, what's Nick?
Speaker 7: Thanks again for having me on. Really appreciate it. Glad
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Speaker 7: Tanny versus McGill University and the Victoria Hospital, very important
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Speaker 7: is the real stuff. It's not kind of speculation or
Speaker 7: anything like that. And then I have five books and
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Speaker 4: It, of course, no, thank you man. Thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I always love having you on. You always bring great
Speaker 4: signes and stuff. Thank you everybody in the chat. That's
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