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Speaker 6: All right, what's up? Welcome everybody. It's been a while
Speaker 6: since we have done literary analysis, so I'm much more subdued,
Speaker 6: and it's going to be a lot softer as we
Speaker 6: get into the literary analysis the Space trilogy. Have you
Speaker 6: read the Space Trilogy? What do you think of it?
Speaker 6: I'm enjoying it. I'm almost done, and so today's installment
Speaker 6: will be the first book and halfway through Perilandra, and
Speaker 6: we're going to get into the symbolism, the allegory, the
Speaker 6: deep stuff. It's gonna be like a classic esoteric Hollywood
Speaker 6: Jay's analysis style analysis. We haven't done one of those
Speaker 6: in a long time, so I'm going back to my roots.
Speaker 6: But I'm not gonna do that stupid In pr voice,
Speaker 6: I was trying to remember which.
Speaker 11: C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis story it is. Where is it Prince Caspian that
Speaker 6: his court esoteric teacher is Flood, and I think that
Speaker 6: Lewis was probably intentionally borrowing from Robert Flood the esotericist right.
Speaker 6: And you'll notice that throughout Lewis, as we will see today,
Speaker 6: he intentionally chooses quite a few esoteric names to sprinkle
Speaker 6: in his lit. And as we're gonna see, the Space
Speaker 6: Trilogy will be a Christian dystopia, Christian themed dystopia, a
Speaker 6: subtle Christian themed dystopia, not many of those. I can't
Speaker 6: hardly think of any. So it's unique in what it is.
Speaker 6: And I think because it has these Christian redemptive themes,
Speaker 6: that's probably why it hasn't been made into a movie.
Speaker 6: You know Narnia. I mean Narnia has you know, Christian
Speaker 6: themes as well. But Lewis I think, described his style
Speaker 6: here as veiled theology, and so certainly Narnia is the
Speaker 6: same thing. And to me they count as allegory. Remember
Speaker 6: that allegory is a classic style of telling a story
Speaker 6: through symbolism. Different types of elements within the story represent people, places, things,
Speaker 6: events in other stories or in reality. We know from
Speaker 6: Galatians four or that Paul uses the events of Abraham
Speaker 6: and Sarah's life as an allegory for the church. So
Speaker 6: allegory is a classic style of telling veiled meanings, messages,
Speaker 6: et cetera through this literary device, and certainly Lewis is
Speaker 6: engaging in this to a degree. People debate Tolkien. I
Speaker 6: grew up reading Tolkien. I love Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 6: some of the first stuff I ever started reading at length.
Speaker 6: And I know that there's a lot of theories. I'm
Speaker 6: not really interested in getting into the theories on debating
Speaker 6: who meant what and what exactly you know this meant
Speaker 6: and who's right. And because a lot of people think, oh,
Speaker 6: he was borrowing from Norse mythology at us, et cetera,
Speaker 6: so those do not engage in a lot of allegory.
Speaker 6: Norse mythology is intended to be kind of surface level.
Speaker 6: It's intended to be what it is. I did have
Speaker 6: grad classes on this, so I'm not speaking out of
Speaker 6: my butt. I'm just going with what my grad lit
Speaker 6: professor said. So I don't really care if you disagree.
Speaker 6: You can have your own opinions. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 6: And I don't really care what the true nerd dogma
Speaker 6: on Lord of the Rings is. So if you don't
Speaker 6: think that it's an allegory, that's fine, and I don't care.
Speaker 6: I do think that it is a veiled Christian allegory,
Speaker 6: and in fact, I'd still pretty much agree with my
Speaker 6: analysis that I had on my TV show. We did
Speaker 6: two episodes, if you guys remember, on Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 6: My analysis was that Tolkien had seen, you know, World
Speaker 6: War One, and he was looking to the potential dangers
Speaker 6: of more wars in the future, and what world wars
Speaker 6: would do if a technocratic my set was in place.
Speaker 6: And so the Ring and the surveillance, the Pallanteer Stone,
Speaker 6: all these things, right, They're emblematic of the magic of technology,
Speaker 6: technology as a kind of magical power that gives all
Speaker 6: of these promises and yet then ends up enslaving man.
Speaker 6: And so they are allegories for the emerging dystopia, both
Speaker 6: of them. I believe that both Lord of the Rings
Speaker 6: and the Space Trilogy are essentially allegories for the same things. Now,
Speaker 6: Lord of the Rings is a fantasy story. It's not
Speaker 6: a sci fi dystopia, but it's a fantasy story with
Speaker 6: clearly Christian imagery themes and borrowing from mythology as well.
Speaker 6: And I think that it's the perfect balance of that.
Speaker 6: That's why people find Tolkiens so engaging and appealing, because
Speaker 6: it was the right literary balance of Christian themes with
Speaker 6: ancient mythology that also has meaning for our century and
Speaker 6: well the last century and where we're going, because we're
Speaker 6: going into the Mordor world, and the races busy fighting
Speaker 6: each other don't understand that they have a common enemy
Speaker 6: who is souron himself. And I know Sauron works for
Speaker 6: a higher level fallen demon. I know all that. This
Speaker 6: isn't about nerd dogma of who gets the orthodoxy of
Speaker 6: the Lord of the Rings, right, I know it's in
Speaker 6: the seemlar Alion, So yeah, I know about all that. Anyway. Now,
Speaker 6: the reason I say all that is that you have
Speaker 6: to understand that out of the Silent Planet, that the
Speaker 6: main character in our first of the Space trilogy, Ransom,
Speaker 6: is based on Tolkien. Tolkien the philologist, going into the
Speaker 6: meanings of these words, the Middle English, the Old English,
Speaker 6: how it derives from these various Germanic and Nordic and whatever,
Speaker 6: all these all these different origins of the terms that
Speaker 6: led him to the fascination with the mythology, and then
Speaker 6: putting the mythology in a veiled theological treatise, and so
Speaker 6: I view all of these really as again veiled theologies.
Speaker 6: And that's when when that's the description Lewis himself gives
Speaker 6: of this, someone wrote a letter to him and he said,
Speaker 6: I call it veiled theology. And the academics will point
Speaker 6: out that Out of the Silent Planet was written right
Speaker 6: around the time when he was really adopting Christianity, but
Speaker 6: it wasn't totally public. He wasn't like full on people.
Speaker 6: It wasn't people weren't really sure. You know, he didn't
Speaker 6: have his he didn't have his Instagram updated that day,
Speaker 6: so people weren't exactly sure what his religious views were.
Speaker 6: And he had had so many interactions with fellow academics
Speaker 6: who were both esotericists and atheists, immterialists, and even transhumanists,
Speaker 6: and so we're going to see the atheist, transum umanist,
Speaker 6: dystopian themes in the Space Trilogy very clearly. To the
Speaker 6: extent that I was watching some other professors lectures on
Speaker 6: YouTube about this trilogy and I was surprised at how
Speaker 6: many of these dumb dums don't know what the third
Speaker 6: one is about. Oh, I don't know this Third One.
Speaker 6: I don't get it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 12: What's the turn one of us?
Speaker 6: It's weird, it's different. That's because it's about transhumanism and
Speaker 6: the illuminating firm. Dummy, like, how do you not know this? Okay,
Speaker 6: all of the people that are it's talking about the
Speaker 6: great reset, It's talking about the people in the upper class,
Speaker 6: the Malthusian elite that obviously C. S. Lewis was aware of,
Speaker 6: that Tolkien was aware of because they were in these circles.
Speaker 6: Of course they knew what bertrand Russell said. Of course
Speaker 6: they knew what Malthusianism was. And so how is it
Speaker 6: not obvious to you what the meaning of the Third
Speaker 6: Book is? And how would you not recognize that it
Speaker 6: predicted the Malthusian technocratic dystopia. I mean, this is the
Speaker 6: meaning of the figure of Weston. Professor. Weston is the
Speaker 6: atheistic materials professor who becomes possessed, becomes a demoniac, and
Speaker 6: his cohort, Divine, ends up being the villain of the
Speaker 6: Third One. And what happens what does he become? He
Speaker 6: becomes lord, not Weston but Divine. Why would he become lord?
Speaker 6: Because Lewis is telling you how the world really works.
Speaker 6: You see, for those of us that you have spent
Speaker 6: many years doing deep geopolitical analysis, deep history of all
Speaker 6: this stuff, we can recognize the continuity of the agenda
Speaker 6: from the time of HG. Wells, Versaron Russell, royal Society,
Speaker 6: etcetera up till now with the great reset and full
Speaker 6: one continuity in the writings of the present a elite
Speaker 6: structure to fulfill this same agenda. And this is what
Speaker 6: Lewis is telling you about. This is, as we pointed
Speaker 6: out many times, something about fiction. Fiction has the ability
Speaker 6: to be prophetic. Books can be prophetic. We pointed this
Speaker 6: out with Darsievsky. Dolcievsky has prophetic novels and stories and events.
Speaker 6: He predicts the communist socialist genocide of the Bolsheviks and
Speaker 6: Sovietism to what fifteen twenty years beforehand, and possessed many, many,
Speaker 6: many fiction writings have the ability to predict the future.
Speaker 6: Now it's not all crystal ball stuff. I think that
Speaker 6: being in the circles of you know, learned men, being
Speaker 6: in the circles of royal society type people, being in
Speaker 6: the circles of you know, the apex of the Darwinian Ethos, Oxford, Cambridge, right,
Speaker 6: these elite British institutions, they were exposed to the Malthewsian mindset.
Speaker 6: It's dominant amongst that class. It's still dominant amongst the
Speaker 6: elite class globally speaking. And in fact, that makes these
Speaker 6: books all the more relevant because that mindset, that attitude
Speaker 6: is more globally accepted than it was in his day,
Speaker 6: or in Tolkien's day. And if you don't know, they
Speaker 6: were part of the Inklings, and this was their little
Speaker 6: society that they came up with to challenge each other,
Speaker 6: to spur each other on to write different books. Right,
Speaker 6: A lot of different movies about Tolkien's life, about C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis's life. Anthony Hopkins even played C. S. Lewis in
Speaker 6: one of the adaptations, and they'll all include references to
Speaker 6: the Inklings. Right now, there was another guy interesting that
Speaker 6: most people don't mention. I just remember this, so I'll
Speaker 6: have to look up his name? Is it Williams? Like
Speaker 6: one of the dudes in the Inklings was in the
Speaker 6: Golden Dawn. So I think some of the ritual elements
Speaker 6: that seep into some of these stories, the ritual magic elements,
Speaker 6: the ideas of neoplatonic magic, which actually will come up
Speaker 6: explicitly in Out of the Silent Planet. My suspicion is
Speaker 6: that they probably come not just from you know, C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis's own research in his own life, but from the
Speaker 6: affiliation in the Inklings with the guy who was in
Speaker 6: the Golan Dawn. So, and I apologize for not having
Speaker 6: this ready because I just remembered that guy. And let
Speaker 6: me see, it's one of these dudes here. Let's see
Speaker 6: Charles Williams. That's him, I think. Yeah, now I've never
Speaker 6: read Charles Williams, but I just remember coming across him
Speaker 6: as a person very into the Golden Dawn and ritual magic.
Speaker 6: And oh that's weird because he was part of the Inklings. Right,
Speaker 6: Let's see if they mention it in here. But that's
Speaker 6: not a surprising user. A lot of people in the
Speaker 6: Church of England, right, I mean, they had already for
Speaker 6: a long time being given over to these hermetic interests.
Speaker 6: Christianity for them was probably a perennialist type of thing
Speaker 6: where they didn't even see it as an actual religion
Speaker 6: but rather to here we go. Yeah, So in nineteen
Speaker 6: thirty one, an emphasis on platonic archetypes in his literature. Again,
Speaker 6: I haven't read Charles Williams, so I can't speak to
Speaker 6: his religion or excuse me, to his literature. But I
Speaker 6: do want to show you what I'm talking about, because
Speaker 6: I'm like ninety nine percent sure that he's the one
Speaker 6: that was in the Golden Dawn. Yep, exactly. See, there's
Speaker 6: even academic literature on this very topic. See there you go.
Speaker 6: Told you I know what I'm talking about. I remember
Speaker 6: my rememberings so Akling member Charles Williams, and I don't
Speaker 6: know if he was there at the same time as Crowley,
Speaker 6: but if you remember, Crowley eventually leaves the gold in
Speaker 6: Dawn to start his magical Order. Now, I do not
Speaker 6: believe that C. S. Lewis or Tolkien are evil occultists.
Speaker 6: Some people get their panties in a bundle and get
Speaker 6: all upset about this. I'm not a puritan. I don't
Speaker 6: think there's anything wrong with using fantasy or science fiction
Speaker 6: as a literary device to convey a meaning or a message. Again,
Speaker 6: this is just what allegory is. Allegory is utilizing and
Speaker 6: playing with images and symbols to construct a new version
Speaker 6: of a story. Playing with the archetypes, right, So I
Speaker 6: don't see magic inherently as a problem in literature, as
Speaker 6: a literary device, as a kind of a maguffin or
Speaker 6: something like that, right, And and Lewis's the way he
Speaker 6: plays with it is interesting because he sees it as
Speaker 6: a way to talk about the spiritual realm, or to
Speaker 6: talk about what if we had a planet where the
Speaker 6: fall hadn't occurred yet, or it's in a different time.
Speaker 6: And you know, Venus has to undergo its Eden tempting situation, right,
Speaker 6: which is of course what part two is about, right,
Speaker 6: Parilandra is the Eden temptation on the planet of Venus,
Speaker 6: because Venus hasn't been tempted yet that planet. And we're
Speaker 6: gonna see again a lot of these esoteric neoplatonic themes.
Speaker 6: And then the most surprising thing to me out of
Speaker 6: the Silent Planet was the mention of the neoplatonic stuff
Speaker 6: at the end. Again, I don't think it shouldn't be
Speaker 6: that surprising, given the fact that the names that are
Speaker 6: constantly drop in the literature is kind of weaving together
Speaker 6: a thread for you to figure out where it's being
Speaker 6: drawn from. And so if you didn't know about the
Speaker 6: celestial spheres, if you didn't know about the neoplatonic hierarchical
Speaker 6: view of the universe, if you didn't know about the
Speaker 6: influence of Neoplatonism and Renaissance hermetic text, if you hadn't
Speaker 6: studied Elizabethan usage of alchemy in Elizabethan literature, which I
Speaker 6: did quite a bit in grad school. I know I've
Speaker 6: written mini papers on that. You can all find them.
Speaker 6: They're all public on my website. You'll know that they
Speaker 6: love to play with this image of alchemy. Now, Lewis
Speaker 6: and Tolkien would have been adamantly totally familiar with their
Speaker 6: own English tradition. And for those that don't know, Shakespeare
Speaker 6: wasn't the only person writing mystical esoteric plays and treatises. Okay,
Speaker 6: you've got Spencer's Fairy Queen, which is a wild hermetic, alchemist,
Speaker 6: neoplatonic myth of England. I mean it's very is crazy, right,
Speaker 6: and it was supposed to be the aneid of the
Speaker 6: British Empire, right, and so it is packed with just
Speaker 6: all of this just outland, just wild neoplatonic magic, theurgy,
Speaker 6: hermetic alchemy, imagery. And if you don't know Ben Johnson,
Speaker 6: John Dunn. All of those guys from that period wrote
Speaker 6: esoteric hermetic alchemical plays, poems, treatises all the time. This
Speaker 6: period is dominated by this stuff. So I think what
Speaker 6: Lewis and Tolkien are doing with and more so Lewis
Speaker 6: in this regard than Tolkien, because Tolkien reaches back beyond
Speaker 6: any of that stuff. He doesn't seem to have much
Speaker 6: of an interest in that, more so reaching into ancient
Speaker 6: myth going back to just straight up Greek mythology something
Speaker 6: like that, right, Lewis seems to have more of an
Speaker 6: interest in pulling from medieval neoplatonism. And that was the
Speaker 6: weirdest part of Out of the Signment Planet is the
Speaker 6: PostScript where Lewis himself, breaking a kind of fourth wall,
Speaker 6: steps in to write a letter to Ransom.
Speaker 5: So C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis, the actual author of the book, writes a fictional
Speaker 6: letter to Ransom based on Tolkien, which is pretty Again,
Speaker 6: it's all fascinating, right, And there's these explanations that, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, what you thought was a wild tale is
Speaker 6: real because on other planets they have that they're teeming
Speaker 6: with life. The universe is something more akin to a
Speaker 6: medieval neoplatonic view. Of the universe as it is explained,
Speaker 6: and they even mentioned some guy I don't remember if
Speaker 6: I had the name of the person. I don't think
Speaker 6: it's a real person, but I could be wrong, because
Speaker 6: actually gave a name. They call him Nicholas somebody. Maybe it'supposed,
Speaker 6: maybe it's a stand different Nicolas of Cusa. Maybe it's
Speaker 6: just made up. I don't recall. But the emphasis is
Speaker 6: on the fact that as a philologist, Ransom had discovered
Speaker 6: in ancient texts that other medieval neoplatonists had seen or
Speaker 6: had interacted with, these beings, these planetary rulers. So the
Speaker 6: idea of planetary rulers or planetary sigils and symbols, right,
Speaker 6: this is a classic Hermetic, ancient medieval alchemical notion that
Speaker 6: for each of the planets they also have an angelic ruler.
Speaker 6: And this, I mean, this isn't even foreign to the
Speaker 6: Biblical cosmology either, right, if we've all read divine names,
Speaker 6: if we're familiar with St. Dionysius and his cosmology the
Speaker 6: celestial hierarchy, this is very amenable to the Orthodox view
Speaker 6: in some respects as well, So we should all be
Speaker 6: very familiar with this, especially given the angelic references and
Speaker 6: structure in the Orthodox liturgy, in the Byzantine Liturgy, to
Speaker 6: the powers thrown, principalities, dominions, et cetera, et cetera. So
Speaker 6: Lewis wants to pull from that and talk about how
Speaker 6: the ancient and medieval cosmology and its notions of an
Speaker 6: angelic hierarchy, the nine choirs of the angels, that's the
Speaker 6: real ordering of the universe, according to him. And it's
Speaker 6: becomes really evident in the first novel because the main
Speaker 6: villain there is Professor Weston, who is basically a mad scientist,
Speaker 6: and Weston his whole goal is to spread dialectical materialism,
Speaker 6: radical materialism to the universe, and so it becomes this
Speaker 6: dominating attempt to a man, it's a materialist manifest destiny
Speaker 6: to spread empiricist materialism imperialism to the whole universe. And
Speaker 6: Lewis makes a point to you know, to stress that
Speaker 6: this is actually destructive. It will destroy the worlds that
Speaker 6: they take it to. So if you don't know, basically,
Speaker 6: just summarize. I'm not going to repeat the whole story
Speaker 6: to you. But in the first one you have this
Speaker 6: Professor Ransom who is kidnapped drugged and taken to a
Speaker 6: planet he doesn't know where. He's taken off in the
Speaker 6: spaceship to a planet called Malacandra. And Malachandra is Mars,
Speaker 6: and Mars has its own language, its own creatures, its
Speaker 6: own beings. It's like hedgehog people, and you know, all
Speaker 6: kinds of crazy stuff going on on Malachandra or Marsh.
Speaker 6: And we find out that his kidnappers Weston and Divine.
Speaker 6: Professor Weston is the radical atheistic materialist psycho. So basically
Speaker 6: Birch and Russell. Okay, So Professor Weston, I wouldn't be
Speaker 6: surprised if I mean Lewis knew about this, he knew
Speaker 6: about the Malthusian mindset. He probably based it on Bert
Speaker 6: and Russell. I mean, I don't know that. I'm just
Speaker 6: saying that's who as I'm reading a story, that's who
Speaker 6: comes to mind. Okay. So basically he's up there in
Speaker 6: space with bertrand Russell, who has kidnapped him with this
Speaker 6: other compatriot of his, this character named Divine, and Divine's
Speaker 6: only motivations are great. He's heard that Mars has gold,
Speaker 6: and his thinking is, you know, something like what we're
Speaker 6: hearing from Bezos and Elon musk Oh, you know, we
Speaker 6: will solve our resource problems when we get to Mars,
Speaker 6: because Mars and the Moon they're going to have minerals,
Speaker 6: and we won't have mineral problems anymore because we can
Speaker 6: farm the planets from which I think is a bunch
Speaker 6: of nonsense, right, but regardless, that's what they're saying. So again,
Speaker 6: in ways you can even see today's purported private space programs,
Speaker 6: right musk Bezos, Branson. They're also kind of prefigured in
Speaker 6: either the Weston or the divine character who have kidnapped
Speaker 6: Ransom and taken him to this planet, which he finds
Speaker 6: out later is Mars. I won't go into all the
Speaker 6: details of the Mars. The one thing that I don't
Speaker 6: like about this book from the outset is the language.
Speaker 6: So Mars has its own language, and Lewis really wanted
Speaker 6: to play with the language like Tolkien did. You can
Speaker 6: tell he's definitely doing this because he saw that Tolkien
Speaker 6: was having fun with this in The Hobbit, and the
Speaker 6: Hobbit you know, begins with playing with this Elvish terminology
Speaker 6: and the language of Mordor versus the language of the Hobbits,
Speaker 6: and the elves and blah blah blah blah blah, which
Speaker 6: I understand. I don't have a I don't mind that
Speaker 6: having a place. There is just way too much of
Speaker 6: that in the first book, and it becomes a hassle
Speaker 6: and it becomes annoying. And I understand it's the literary
Speaker 6: device they liked. They're philologists, they want to play with language.
Speaker 6: But the words are stupid. First of all, trifle figgy.
Speaker 6: I mean it sounds like the dumbest possible thing that
Speaker 6: British people could come up with. What's the most dumb,
Speaker 6: stupid British sounding made up name. Magnify it by ten,
Speaker 6: put it on acid, then put it on a dose
Speaker 6: of Mollie. And then what do I get? Oh the
Speaker 6: triple Figies quote a triple Figi's and all the British
Speaker 6: literature wants to do this. Oh got we dumbledolele we
Speaker 6: feeble wobbles get me wobblesh you mean dumb doubles. It's
Speaker 6: like this is dumb. Okay, I'm not five years old. Okay,
Speaker 6: I know this is written for kids, but what is
Speaker 6: the British love for these stupid words?
Speaker 2: Let mean wobblesh?
Speaker 6: You mean figu wobblesh mean figgy, eagles mean rolling aham,
Speaker 6: just the goofy words. Anyway, it's overdone. That's the main
Speaker 6: problem with this book. Otherwise it's a great work of literature.
Speaker 6: I mean, let's look through the glossary and I think
Speaker 6: he wants you to have fun in the sense of
Speaker 6: like maybe a kid would have fun decoding this and
Speaker 6: keeping up with the glossary. And you can tell a
Speaker 6: lot of this sounds just like Tolkien stuff. It's all
Speaker 6: Eldish el Deal, the eld deal Bid. Bog El Dil
Speaker 6: is of course spirit or an angel, and you've got
Speaker 6: malel Dil. That will be important because malel Deal is
Speaker 6: basically the Christ figure in the storyline. Right, everybody knows
Speaker 6: Aslan is a Christ type of figure in Narnia, Malel
Speaker 6: Dial is Jesus of this Space Trilogy universe. Essentially, there's
Speaker 6: a bunch of other stupid names that are just kind
Speaker 6: of just annoying and ridiculous. I mean, only a British
Speaker 6: boy in the nineteen forties could enjoy this stuff. It's
Speaker 6: just stupid and it clogs up the story for me, right,
Speaker 6: I don't mind it. In the Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 6: because I feel like in the Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 6: I'm really getting some kind of Elvish language, and that's
Speaker 6: just kind of cool, I guess. And everybody going into
Speaker 6: The Lord of the Rings knows what they're getting into
Speaker 6: when they've got this gigantic, you know, thousand page thing,
Speaker 6: and you know you're gonna have to deal with token
Speaker 6: Tolkien's like pages of description of the geography in the land,
Speaker 6: and you're gonna have to it's basically an entire language. Okay,
Speaker 6: I know what I'm getting into with that. This is
Speaker 6: like a tiny kid book with I don't know how
Speaker 6: many pages, one hundred and forty pages or something, and
Speaker 6: I've got to have this chart to decode all these
Speaker 6: stupid words. Other than that, it's great. It's really good.
Speaker 6: It's an easy, fun read, it's not difficult. And the theology,
Speaker 6: as we said, veiled, it doesn't lay on a bunch
Speaker 6: of heavy stuff. It's like you're enjoying this dystopian kind
Speaker 6: of science fiction story and then you're getting a little
Speaker 6: doses of theology here and there, and you're starting to
Speaker 6: figure out, Okay, so what the problem in this story
Speaker 6: is is that they want to sacrifice a human for
Speaker 6: the potentiality of ruling this world. Right, Ransom thinks that
Speaker 6: if he can convince these people on Mars, these beings
Speaker 6: on Mars, to go along with his scheme, then he
Speaker 6: can gain control of that planet, and then they can
Speaker 6: kind of expand their materialist imperialism to the other planets
Speaker 6: throughout the universe. And this ends up not working. Ransom
Speaker 6: basically foils I'm looking from a notes for the first one.
Speaker 6: Ransom foils the plans of Western He ends up meeting
Speaker 6: with the planetary ruler of Mars, who is oyarsa I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: And it's interesting because the planetary rulers are clearly a
Speaker 6: different kind of angel than the other angels, right, So
Speaker 6: that so he's pulling from either Neoplatonism or medieval hermeticism
Speaker 6: or Dionysius to bring in the notion of different types
Speaker 6: of angelic beings. Mars is ruled by an angelic being
Speaker 6: who is not inherently an evil or fallen figure. It's
Speaker 6: just sort of the planetary ruler of Mars, the spirit
Speaker 6: ruler of Mars, and west excuse me, what's his name.
Speaker 6: Ransom figures out what Weston is up to, and then
Speaker 6: he realizes that he has providentially been brought there to
Speaker 6: help foil these nefarious designs of merchant Russell in space
Speaker 6: basically right, So he convinces the ruler of Mars that
Speaker 6: Weston is a bad guy, that he's actually a murderer.
Speaker 6: He's had people killed, kidnapped, and he's trying to foment
Speaker 6: a destruction on Mars. And then it says at the
Speaker 6: end when Lewis introduced himself as the character, and they
Speaker 6: end up foiling the plot, of course, but Weston doesn't
Speaker 6: get killed. Weston gets away, and he will be the
Speaker 6: villain in part two as well. It notes that Lewis
Speaker 6: says that he had written to Ransom inquiring whether he
Speaker 6: had ever come across the word O yarsa in any
Speaker 6: medieval Neoplatonic texts. This prompts Ransom to share the secret
Speaker 6: that the two resolved to hinder Weston from doing further
Speaker 6: evil due to the rapid march of the coming or
Speaker 6: contemporary events. So we're supposed to realize that, even though
Speaker 6: it's a fiction work, the themes of physicist Weston, the
Speaker 6: plans are going to continue because he got away, he
Speaker 6: didn't get killed. Weston is described as a thick set, physicist,
Speaker 6: ruthless and arrogant in part one mocks all classics and
Speaker 6: history as trash, and he's in favor of pure hard
Speaker 6: science and the expansion of the dialectical or reductionist, materialist
Speaker 6: atheist worldview. So clearly then the theme is Lewis critiquing
Speaker 6: the evil impetus of that worldview, the Bertran Russell type
Speaker 6: of worldview, its predatory nature in terms of expanding and
Speaker 6: needing to conquer and destroy with the materialist ethos. And
Speaker 6: then even though we've been introduced to this idea as
Speaker 6: a critique of the Enlightenment rationalist Darwinian Malthusiam materialist motivation
Speaker 6: and mindset, in part two, it's going to become more spiritual.
Speaker 6: We're going to move out of just this worldview critique
Speaker 6: and we're going to move into the spiritual explanation for
Speaker 6: the worldview. And this is not again, not a theme
Speaker 6: that comes up in Lewis as well. Right in Narnia,
Speaker 6: we have similar notions of beings that are different types
Speaker 6: of beings that are impelled by evil spiritual forces and
Speaker 6: not just by angelic good forces or not just by
Speaker 6: being characters. Right, characters have the ability in these stories
Speaker 6: to partake of evil powers or good angelic powers. And
Speaker 6: I think that's partly why so many Orthodox people find
Speaker 6: Lewis so amenable, is that you do you kind of
Speaker 6: have theosis in Lewis's stories and in his novels. I mean,
Speaker 6: think of Screwtape Letters, right, hopefully everybody's read Screwtape Letters.
Speaker 6: I mean it's a fiction piece, but it's just a
Speaker 6: brilliant insight into spiritual warfare, into the demonic. And we
Speaker 6: get something very similar with Part two. So even though
Speaker 6: Part one will give has themes of evil, it's mainly
Speaker 6: focused on the either or of the worldview of Ransom
Speaker 6: and his deference to malel dial in the angelic structure
Speaker 6: that Christ, the Christ figure has created for the universe
Speaker 6: and obeying his laws. It's this contrast of the two
Speaker 6: world views. And then in Part two both of them progress.
Speaker 6: Both Western and Ransom progress in their journeys Weston in
Speaker 6: the sense of becoming possessed. He will move from being
Speaker 6: a reductionist, atheist, materialist to a kind of New Age
Speaker 6: spiritualist who is literally demonically possessed, and his worldview will evolve,
Speaker 6: it will change. He's not a reductionist materialist anymore. And
Speaker 6: it's going to be fast and we're going to see
Speaker 6: in a minute who his worldview is more or akin to.
Speaker 6: And for Ransom. Also, his worldview has progressed. He has
Speaker 6: grown in his theological understanding, and that's why the focus
Speaker 6: of Perilandra will be heavily theological. It's going to be
Speaker 6: a series of I mean, it's it's fascinating because it's
Speaker 6: unique and it's almost like it's not really a sci
Speaker 6: fi dystopia. It's almost mythology. So it will be more
Speaker 6: like Lewis will pull from Greek mythology in Peralandra than
Speaker 6: anything like you know as a mob or Arthur C. Clark,
Speaker 6: even though it's a space fiction thing. It's kind of
Speaker 6: like contrasting Star Wars to Star Trek, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: Star Trek is like the hardcore so called sooyance, and
Speaker 6: Star Wars is more like I mean classic Star Wars,
Speaker 6: not Disney Star Wars. Classic Star Wars is more like
Speaker 6: space opera. And that's what Perilandra will be. But it's
Speaker 6: not just space opera, fantasy, see and mythology. It's also
Speaker 6: going to engage in fairly sophisticated theological debate, so that
Speaker 6: that is not what I expected. I did not expect
Speaker 6: the movement from part one to part two to be
Speaker 6: fairly sophisticated theological debate because in the novel, Ransom will
Speaker 6: have the debates and discussions with Venus, the planetary spirit
Speaker 6: ruler of Venus, the girl the goddess Venus, and with Weston,
Speaker 6: who is now fully demonically possessed. So and it reminds
Speaker 6: me too that there's other cases in Lewis like this
Speaker 6: as well. Remember Jadas, right, Jadas is similar. It just
Speaker 6: made me think of similar situations because she's like this
Speaker 6: ice queen, right, and she's not Lilith, but she's reminds
Speaker 6: me of Lilith. And she is summoned with like magic bells.
Speaker 6: Remember that. And then in the first Magician's Nephew, there's
Speaker 6: these pools that are like portals that you step into
Speaker 6: the different worlds. I mean, all that's fascinating. I think
Speaker 6: Magician's Nephew is excellent. It's it's better than Lion Witch
Speaker 6: and the Wardrobe. Actually, I think Uh Boy and his
Speaker 6: Horse is better than Language and Wardrobe. I mean, I
Speaker 6: like the land Witch and the wardrobe, and I understand
Speaker 6: why everybody likes it, But there's other ones in that
Speaker 6: series that are that are a lot better and more interesting,
Speaker 6: and they're they're they're all allegorical. But what you have
Speaker 6: in Perilandra is something way more serious and sophisticated than
Speaker 6: anything you would find in Narnia. Right, this is I mean,
Speaker 6: he's he's even gonna deal with themes of sexuality in
Speaker 6: the Fall. He's gonna deal with prede and free will.
Speaker 6: He's going to deal with the mode of being in
Speaker 6: which Eden in the world would have been if it
Speaker 6: hadn't fallen. And he's doing it through this literary device
Speaker 6: of saying, what if Venus on Venus, the fall has
Speaker 6: or the temptation or the fall hasn't happened yet. And
Speaker 6: so the idea is that the angelic beings, even though
Speaker 6: they're outside of time and space, or they're outside of
Speaker 6: time as we understand it, maybe they're undergoing a temptation
Speaker 6: as well, kind of outside of time, and so they're
Speaker 6: being tempted in their own ways. And that's precisely what
Speaker 6: part two is about. So Paralandra is about Weston having
Speaker 6: to go back. He doesn't exactly know why on another journey,
Speaker 6: another adventure, and he has taken to Venus, and he's
Speaker 6: taken there to meet with the angelic spiritual being ruler
Speaker 6: of Venus, this goddess Venus and her king who we've
Speaker 6: not met yet, who is for whatever reason absent, and
Speaker 6: I think we will. I will tell you why that
Speaker 6: is her in a moment. Why I think that is.
Speaker 6: At the beginning, Ransom mentions different esoteric schools, which I
Speaker 6: didn't expect that had spoken of seeing these spiritual entities
Speaker 6: and beings. He mentions Rudolph Steiner's anthroposophy. Now that was
Speaker 6: odd to me. That was bizarre because, as everybody knows,
Speaker 6: Steiner was a disciple of Blovatski Blevatski's theosophy of crazy
Speaker 6: cult and Steiner went in a different direction created his
Speaker 6: own cult anthroposophy. But it also has this idea of,
Speaker 6: you know, seeing into the spiritual realm and seeing all
Speaker 6: these different sort of beings and whatnot. And so I
Speaker 6: don't again, I don't think C. S. Lewis was an anthroposophist,
Speaker 6: but I think he's saying that what these esoterists are
Speaker 6: talking about is the same thing that I'm describing to you.
Speaker 6: Which is the same thing that Christianity describes as the
Speaker 6: spiritual realm, which is not just populated by quote angels
Speaker 6: and demons, but populated by various types of angelic beings
Speaker 6: and various types of demonic beings. Because remember in the Orthodox,
Speaker 6: in the Christian view, it's not just quote one generic
Speaker 6: type of angel that fell. There's nine choirs of angels
Speaker 6: in the Biblical revelation, and angels from each of those
Speaker 6: angelic choirs fell, So there are various types of demonic
Speaker 6: and angelic beings. So I think that's the theology, the philosophy,
Speaker 6: the esoteric idea that undergirds this. It's not an anthroposophical text,
Speaker 6: but it's pulling from the notion of anthroposophists that you can,
Speaker 6: you know, experienced the spiritual world and there's all these beings.
Speaker 6: That's why I think Ransom mentions that at the beginning,
Speaker 6: and then we have the an even clearer description. We
Speaker 6: kind of got this in part one, but it becomes
Speaker 6: a little bit clearer in part two that the aliens
Speaker 6: that or the beings the space beings that are being
Speaker 6: encountered are angels and demons. So Lewis was way ahead
Speaker 6: of his time in pointing out that the alien UFO
Speaker 6: type thing that's going on, whatever that is, is, at
Speaker 6: least on one level, a spiritual phenomenon aka angels and demons.
Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody else prior to him had
Speaker 6: even spoken this way. Maybe I'm just guessing, speculating. I
Speaker 6: don't really know. I'm sure somebody out there has, you know,
Speaker 6: a better assessment of who would have been the first
Speaker 6: person to really question this ocean of alien beings and
Speaker 6: tying it to the demonic again, who the first person
Speaker 6: was to do that, I don't know. By the way,
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Speaker 6: stick to their principles. So again, I'll be reading the
Speaker 6: super Chatz here in a moment, and we're only going
Speaker 6: to do the first half, as you know, because I
Speaker 6: put quite a bit of time and effort into this
Speaker 6: type of a talk. It's a half and half talk.
Speaker 6: So for those who are interested in hearing the second
Speaker 6: half of Parilandra and the third book, The Hideous Strength
Speaker 6: That He Is Strength, the third part of the trilogy,
Speaker 6: you will need to subscribe to Jays Analysis. It will
Speaker 6: also be available to the rock Fin subscribers as well.
Speaker 6: But this is a this will be a member's based
Speaker 6: talk and the third one is the most revelatory. Remember
Speaker 6: the third one, we will have basically the Illuminate Confirm.
Speaker 6: We will have the Illuminate Confirm wanting to depopulate explicitly
Speaker 6: with their Malthusian agenda. So C. S. Lewis is exposing
Speaker 6: us to the real illuminate, confirm. And now you see
Speaker 6: why this has never been made into movies and it
Speaker 6: never will be made into me this. You can't have
Speaker 6: what is the subject of this in a veiled Christian
Speaker 6: theology out there in blockbuster form. You see, they would
Speaker 6: never allow that. Disney, you know, they kind of, you know,
Speaker 6: did what the first three of Narnia, and I mean
Speaker 6: Narnia is what's the word I'm looking for. Narnia is
Speaker 6: kid enough that it's not really that sophisticated, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. Yes, Oslyn dies, okay, so he dies
Speaker 6: for the people. Jesus dies to be worried. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's it's basically what's going on in Narnia. It's not
Speaker 6: it's not super sophisticated in language and wardrobe, but here
Speaker 6: it does get more sophisticated. So let's get into this.
Speaker 6: So Ransom is experiencing Venus, and he's noticed that time
Speaker 6: and space and things don't work the same on Venus
Speaker 6: like they do on Earth. And eventually he comes to
Speaker 6: realize when he meets Venus herself and begins to dialogue
Speaker 6: and debate and interact with her. That Venus has not fallen,
Speaker 6: and so he still doesn't know why he's there, why
Speaker 6: Christ has essentially sent him to Venus for some mission
Speaker 6: he doesn't know exactly yet, and he realizes, Okay, it's
Speaker 6: not fallen. And then he realizes, after kind of making
Speaker 6: his way and getting used to the lay of the
Speaker 6: land and the weirdness of Venus are on this sort
Speaker 6: of floating island, that there's different laws for different planets.
Speaker 6: So the ethics of Venus are such that the inhabitants
Speaker 6: of Venus are forbidden to sleep on fixed land, so
Speaker 6: they can go on land, but they can't sleep there,
Speaker 6: and we don't exactly know why, but that's essentially what
Speaker 6: the law of Venus is that Christ gave to it.
Speaker 6: And so Western, you know, excuse me a Ransom, is
Speaker 6: fine with all that. He's just sort of mystified and
Speaker 6: blown away by all this weird metaphysics of Venus. And
Speaker 6: then we find a spaceship crashes there and wouldn't you know,
Speaker 6: Weston shows up, all right, So Weston has also been
Speaker 6: sent to Venus before a different purpose. Western's trip to
Speaker 6: Venus is because he is being impelled by the black ARCon. No,
Speaker 6: it's not David Ike time does anytime I hear that, now,
Speaker 6: I know it's a Gnostic thing, but every time I
Speaker 6: hear it's like, okay, some of this is David Ike world. Now.
Speaker 6: So the black akon the cheta Uri on Venus, you
Speaker 6: see that, yeomen's on Venus. Satan, who we find out
Speaker 6: is the fallen ruler of Earth. So Earth's angel fell
Speaker 6: and rebelled. You see again, that's pretty much right Jesus.
Speaker 6: When Jesus is tempted by Satan, what does Satan say?
Speaker 6: All of this is mine. I can give this world
Speaker 6: to you if you'll worship me. And of course, this
Speaker 6: I think is the true sense of the term ARCon.
Speaker 6: All right, that's a term used in not just Gnostics,
Speaker 6: but it's just a term in the Greek for a power,
Speaker 6: a deity, an angel, a being a planetary ruler. So
Speaker 6: the planetary ruler of Earth we find out, is Satan,
Speaker 6: and he's fallen, and he has a desire to lead
Speaker 6: an attack on Venus because he wants to in this
Speaker 6: cosmic spiritual warfare. He wants Venus to fall because Venus
Speaker 6: is still under the dominion of Christ, and the planetary
Speaker 6: rulers of Venus are still loyal to Christ. But Ransom
Speaker 6: is sent there with Satanic power. Now excuse me, Weston,
Speaker 6: I keep you any Weston is sent there at the
Speaker 6: impetus of Satan. He doesn't actually know this yet, but
Speaker 6: he's actually possessed, and his goal is to tempt Venus
Speaker 6: to fall. And we know that it's not fallen because
Speaker 6: when Ransom is there, Venus is naked and for whatever reason,
Speaker 6: Ransom had to be naked because he was delivered there
Speaker 6: in a silver ice casket or some kind of weird
Speaker 6: space casket, I should say, and he's naked. Venus is naked.
Speaker 6: She's a babe, a buxom babe. But he says, I
Speaker 6: was not tempted. There's absolutely no sexual temptation. He said.
Speaker 6: That's when I realized, Okay, so Venus isn't fallen. And
Speaker 6: my guess as to the fixed land versus sea allowance
Speaker 6: would be that in the Neoplatonic idea, you would have
Speaker 6: a gradation of stasis versus change, right, stasis being better
Speaker 6: than change. Actually not just in Neoplatonism. That would be
Speaker 6: pretty much true for Plato Aristotle or most Greek philosophers, right,
Speaker 6: unless it was somebody like you know, Heraclitis or something, right,
Speaker 6: unless it was a philosophy thought that all this flux,
Speaker 6: the idea of stasis and change, that's the only thing
Speaker 6: I could come up with, the floating land versus the sea,
Speaker 6: and that you can't sleep on stable land, which was
Speaker 6: Christ's rule law for Venus for whatever reason, the only
Speaker 6: thing I could come up with is that in the
Speaker 6: Neoplatonic or the Greek colinic systems, stasis is superior to change.
Speaker 6: And so the temptation for the beings that were allowed
Speaker 6: to sleep, or sea being sleeping in the ocean, their
Speaker 6: temptation would be all I want to experience stasis, right,
Speaker 6: And in the Hellenic dialectic, stasis is superior to flux
Speaker 6: or change. So the ocean being in constant movement versus
Speaker 6: land being fixed in stasis, and it's called fixed versus
Speaker 6: ocean right in the novel, that would be the temptation
Speaker 6: for them. And that's not the only temptation, right When Ransom,
Speaker 6: excuse me, when Weston engages in all these dialogues and
Speaker 6: debates and explanations and stories trying to get venus to sin.
Speaker 6: He uses things like appeals to vanity, appeals to pride.
Speaker 6: He says, you need mirrors, you need makeup, you need
Speaker 6: all these things that make you beautiful to you. And
Speaker 6: so I think there's a conscious pull from the narcissusthology.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Lewis is clearly intentionally referring to Narcissus. I wrote a
Speaker 6: whole essay by the way, years ago. I didn't even
Speaker 6: I had not read this. I didn't know this was
Speaker 6: in here. Just on my own research. I thought, well,
Speaker 6: if you think about it, the story of Narcissus is
Speaker 6: kind of like the Fall, right. It's a turn inward.
Speaker 6: It's a turn to worshiping the self and vanity. And
Speaker 6: Lewis does that exact thing in this story to pull
Speaker 6: from the Narcissus mythology mythos to.
Speaker 2: Make it.
Speaker 6: Comparable to the fall, because the Fall is essentially not
Speaker 6: our worship and obedience directed to God. It's a turn inward. Remember,
Speaker 6: we just saw this in the last livestream that we did,
Speaker 6: where we looked at Genesis two and three when it
Speaker 6: talks about God's law and covenant for Eden and Adam
Speaker 6: and Eves saying being tempted Satan saying, no, you will
Speaker 6: determine good and evil. You will turn into yourself upon yourself.
Speaker 6: You will look at yourself, you will worship yourself. And
Speaker 6: that's what Weston says. Weston says Venus, Venus, baby, We're
Speaker 6: gonna make you a sty I mean he's literally actually
Speaker 6: he sounds like a kind of like a Hollywood groomer. Right, Oh,
Speaker 6: we're gonna make you a big star. You're gonna be
Speaker 6: to everybody's gonna be looking at you. They're gonna worship you.
Speaker 6: You are gonna worship you. Right, and so Ransom realizes, Okay,
Speaker 6: my job then is to dissuade Venus from falling. So
Speaker 6: essentially what we have is the whole Eden story on Venus.
Speaker 6: It's a mythological, theological telling of the events of Eden
Speaker 6: on Venus and Weston represents the serpent figure and Ransom
Speaker 6: represents Christ or the angel messenger. Right, So it's like
Speaker 6: the angel and the demon on your shoulder, and they're
Speaker 6: both whispering and arguing and having debates with each other
Speaker 6: and with Venus. So fascinating concepts, right, fascinating idea at
Speaker 6: once theological and also mythological, pulling from all kinds of
Speaker 6: Greek and classic mythology. But I think what's really interesting
Speaker 6: is that a big part of this is debate. I
Speaker 6: did not expect that. You do not expect a novel
Speaker 6: like this to be engaged in debates, but debate is
Speaker 6: a big part of this novel, and not just intellectual
Speaker 6: rational debate, but also physical battle or the BBC asked
Speaker 6: him to come and give apologetics, lectures and defenses of Christianity,
Speaker 6: which would become his famous book Mere Christianity, which I
Speaker 6: don't think is that great. Actually, it's I mean, has
Speaker 6: some prose, but it also has some pretty big deficiencies
Speaker 6: in terms of theology. But it's well known. It's a
Speaker 6: class again. C. S. Lewis does at times have apologetic
Speaker 6: insights right God in the doc he at times he'll
Speaker 6: use even a transcendental argument, believed or not.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 6: Lewis is insightful as an apologist, but he's not that
Speaker 6: good of a theologian ultimately. But he is insightful, and
Speaker 6: he's one of the more insightful Western theologians from the
Speaker 6: Orthodox fantas point. So he's in this constant debate with
Speaker 6: the demonically possessed Western, and that's not my interpretation. Like
Speaker 6: Western's froths around and starts having seizures, and like his
Speaker 6: face contorts, he turns into a different type of being
Speaker 6: who has superhuman energy, human intelligence, which Weston describes as
Speaker 6: exhausting to debate with. He says that he realized that
Speaker 6: in debates with Weston, he was debating with a superhuman intelligence,
Speaker 6: and eventually he would become more and more exhausted having
Speaker 6: his debates. And then he starts wondering, and it starts
Speaker 6: looking like Venus is going to give in, and he's
Speaker 6: gonna She's going to sin and listen to Weston and Western.
Speaker 6: It's amazing because Weston as a character anticipates so many
Speaker 6: things and movements in religion and theology at that time.
Speaker 6: The most obvious character that he seems like to me
Speaker 6: is Tayhard to chard In. I mean, did anybody else
Speaker 6: think of Tayhard when you read this? Because it's like
Speaker 6: the bertrand Russell. How can we get a more demonically
Speaker 6: possessed version of Bertrand Russell? Well, who after who at
Speaker 6: that time exemplifies this attitude, like literally even saying the
Speaker 6: things that Weston says. Tay Hard this shart in. I
Speaker 6: mean the idea that fundamental reality is all spirit, all
Speaker 6: of reality is monistically spirit coming to self realization. This
Speaker 6: is all the crap, the gibberish that Weston says, right,
Speaker 6: he says this to Venus and to Ransom. Let's see,
Speaker 6: I listed several key things, and one of the best
Speaker 6: chapters is chapter seven. So seven is key because he
Speaker 6: goes into this detailed explanation of his emergent atheistic materialist
Speaker 6: or his worldviews evolve from atheistic materialism to an emergent spiritualism.
Speaker 6: He says basically that evolutionary dynamism and increasing complexity has
Speaker 6: shown that reality is moving from physicality to pure spirit. This,
Speaker 6: he says, is basically a transhumanist movement, whereas where spirit
Speaker 6: itself or a quote holy spirit he thinks Western thinks,
Speaker 6: has moved him and changed him and enlightened him. He says,
Speaker 6: I realize now that this entity, this spirit, has guided
Speaker 6: and chosen me to reveal this and to reveal this force.
Speaker 6: Notice it's an impersonal it's not a personal deity, it's
Speaker 6: not a personal god. It's a force that is the
Speaker 6: vital life force moving all of reality, and an evolutionary
Speaker 6: scheme to a unity of pure spirit. So it's a
Speaker 6: gnostic Tahart days Shardan worldview. Literally, I have to think
Speaker 6: he used Tahart as the model for the demonic theosis.
Speaker 6: It's like an inverted theosis. Right, So it's moving from
Speaker 6: atheist materialism to now Western exemplifying literal signs of demonic possession, gibberish,
Speaker 6: talking in other languages, doing weird gestures, superhuman energy and intelligence,
Speaker 6: facial contortion. I mean, it's it's not my analysis. He
Speaker 6: really he's possessed clearly. In the novel said that right,
Speaker 6: Weston explains that his new reality, new view of reality
Speaker 6: is a metaphysical one in which monism is the truth,
Speaker 6: all reality is won. This sequence is all very reminiscent
Speaker 6: of screw table letters. By the way Western counters excuse me.
Speaker 6: Ransom counters Weston by saying, well, don't you think that
Speaker 6: it's possible that just because something spirit that doesn't mean
Speaker 6: it's good? And how many New ages?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: This also anticipates the New Age movement decades ahead of
Speaker 6: its time. How many people think the spiritual and spiritual
Speaker 6: but not religious okay? Well? Or or the people that
Speaker 6: do their trips right, acid trips, mushroom trips, d MT.
Speaker 6: I talk to the angelic. I took to dispute it beings. Well,
Speaker 6: just because something spirit doesn't mean that it's good. Maybe
Speaker 6: it's an evil spirit and it's great. Because Ransom actually
Speaker 6: raises all these objections, he said, well, just because the
Speaker 6: spirit isn't is good, but maybe maybe it's an evil spirit.
Speaker 6: And then we have an explanent a literary expert or
Speaker 6: excuse me. Ransom comes all the way full circle and
Speaker 6: he says, I realized I am Weston. I can keep
Speaker 6: getting me so western evil demonic Bertrand Russell day Sharten says,
Speaker 6: I am I am, I am God and the Devil.
Speaker 6: So he literally goes full Charles Manson in his theology. Right.
Speaker 6: I mean Charles Manson isn't on the scene yet when
Speaker 6: this book is written, but it's like literally predicting that
Speaker 6: Charles Manson's theology.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm the God and the Devil.
Speaker 6: I'm your greatest night man in your hope. Right. So
Speaker 6: Ransom goes full Manson. Excuse me, Weston goes full Manson,
Speaker 6: and then we get the literary device explanation eventually, where
Speaker 6: Lewis explains that what is myth in one world is
Speaker 6: fact in another world. So again saying the way I'm
Speaker 6: doing this is on venus, what we think is myth
Speaker 6: is actually the way that the physics and the metaphysics
Speaker 6: of that world works. So it's not multiverse, it's just
Speaker 6: other worlds or other planets. So everything is represented as
Speaker 6: an edenic temptation. We realize that Weston's real goal now
Speaker 6: is to bring death. So he's motivated now to bring
Speaker 6: death because death releases spirit from physicality, you see, So
Speaker 6: the justification for the bringing of death is his end goal.
Speaker 6: His ntilos of this tr day shardin worldview of everything
Speaker 6: evolving to monistic spirit all is one. They have a
Speaker 6: creative evolution debate in chapter nine, which is bizarre when
Speaker 6: this gets into I think this is where it starts
Speaker 6: to get chapter nine and ten, it moves into a
Speaker 6: problem of evil debate and a predestination free will debate,
Speaker 6: and the debate does not end with this being resolved.
Speaker 6: There is not an answer given. It is basically said
Speaker 6: to be a form of compatibilism. Again basically the Orthodox view.
Speaker 6: We don't follow on either side of that dialectic. But
Speaker 6: what we don't have is a justification for the doing
Speaker 6: of evil. You see, it does not make sense to
Speaker 6: do evil. And so in this story we get a mythological,
Speaker 6: theological version of the Fall or the experience of Eden,
Speaker 6: and we even have interesting experiments with playing with time
Speaker 6: and space. Right, Lewis begins to act like time doesn't
Speaker 6: work the same or time doesn't work the same with Venus,
Speaker 6: and so Venus herself she doesn't really have a concept
Speaker 6: of getting older, like she starts talking about it getting
Speaker 6: like getting older, but it's within the span of a
Speaker 6: few minutes, right, So for her time doesn't work the
Speaker 6: same way. Because again, this is not a fallen world.
Speaker 6: And although I'm not advocating that literally, it does help
Speaker 6: us to understand what the often asked question of people
Speaker 6: inquiring at orthodoxy, well, how did animals or predators exist
Speaker 6: before the fall?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: Do we have incisors before the fall? Why would we
Speaker 6: need that if we didn't eat meat? Well, the answer
Speaker 6: is that the way that our bodies and biology exists
Speaker 6: now is different than the way that it existed before
Speaker 6: the fall. The mode of all reality is different before
Speaker 6: the fall, and you can kind of see inklings of this.
Speaker 6: This cosmic scope of the fall, a metaphysical alteration in
Speaker 6: the universe as a whole.
Speaker 5: In c. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis right because he's making the spiritual warfare that the
Speaker 6: Christian believes in. He's making it a cosmic story. And
Speaker 6: it would also makes sense with the notion of the
Speaker 6: divine council, right, the planetary rulers. That's that's compatible with
Speaker 6: our theology of the angels, the divine name, celestial hierarchy,
Speaker 6: Dinaysius and with you know what Heiser talks about from
Speaker 6: the Psalms in terms of the divine council. Basically, just
Speaker 6: to sum up there, Weston gives excuse me, Ransom gives
Speaker 6: the Christian classical Christian narrative on providence. He says that
Speaker 6: God permits evil because the greater good can be brought
Speaker 6: out of it. That's the romans A view. We get
Speaker 6: this really weird description of Weston. When he gets possessed,
Speaker 6: he starts dissecting for and ripping them apart, and I
Speaker 6: think that's just emblematic of the rapacious, beast like nature
Speaker 6: of what he's become now. And Lewis also describes the
Speaker 6: demonic possession, the demon in him as a kind of imp, right,
Speaker 6: So it's not it's a very intelligent imp, but the
Speaker 6: imp is also ridiculous and stupid at the same time.
Speaker 6: I thought that was a fascinating way to describe Satan
Speaker 6: right as both on the one hand, extremely intelligent but
Speaker 6: also at the same time extremely barbaric and brutish and
Speaker 6: stupid in a weird way. Somehow that works together anyway,
Speaker 6: So I think I hit all the main themes that
Speaker 6: I wanted to get to. There is we're halfway. We're
Speaker 6: halfway through part two, so we're gonna have to stop
Speaker 6: here compatitialism and free will they end up having a
Speaker 6: oh the next part that it moves to a physical battle, right,
Speaker 6: So Ransom realizes that he wasn't just brought there to
Speaker 6: have a debate with the demon that possesses Western, but
Speaker 6: he's also now he's gonna have to engage in an
Speaker 6: actual battle, and he's gonna have to be downloaded with
Speaker 6: like Matrix style moves like Neo does. I'm not joking,
Speaker 6: Like literally, he gets like the Angelic forces basically download
Speaker 6: into him all of these different like powers like Neo has,
Speaker 6: you know, Karate and whatever downloaded to his consciousness. So
Speaker 6: the angels give you know, Western the operating program of
Speaker 6: karate dot ex jujitsu dot ex. It's fascinating right the
Speaker 6: way he plays with this and they engage in a
Speaker 6: fierce combat on the backs of fish, skipping around on venus.
Speaker 6: So we'll stop there because that's the middle of part two.
Speaker 6: I think I hit everything I wanted to hit. And
Speaker 6: remember in part three it's going to get really neat
Speaker 6: because Part three will deal with the illuminate confirm. Now
Speaker 6: we're going to move to Earth and it will become
Speaker 6: this sort of conspiratorial dystopian story on Earth, and that apparently,
Speaker 6: for whatever reason, throws a lot of people for a loop.
Speaker 6: I'm going to touch on a couple of things here.
Speaker 6: Part of what we helps to explain this is the
Speaker 6: notion of the celestial spheres. If you're not familiar, this
Speaker 6: is the ancient and medieval cosmological idea. A lot of
Speaker 6: the Pythagoreans had this view. A lot of the Platonists
Speaker 6: had this view that the planetary rulers that are out there,
Speaker 6: they go in these circles, and the universe, they would think,
Speaker 6: is a kind of musical instrument. View it like a
Speaker 6: giant musical instrument or symphony that's going in a circular dance.
Speaker 6: The circular dance is going to be very important for
Speaker 6: not just the neoplatonic circular dance, imagery of the cosmos
Speaker 6: and of all the life, all the creatures on earth.
Speaker 6: But it's also sung. It's musical. Keep this in mind.
Speaker 6: The universe is being sung into existence. Notes are being
Speaker 6: played that give reality or the forms their existence out
Speaker 6: of potentiality into reality. So it's like, yeah, the word
Speaker 6: is spoken. The logo speaks reality into being. But it's
Speaker 6: not just a monotone Benstein's money speaking of reality into being.
Speaker 6: It's speaking it in a singing way into reality. Where
Speaker 6: do we see this Magician's nephew? In Magician's Nephew, how
Speaker 6: does Aslin create a Narnia? He sings it into existence?
Speaker 6: And so the orbits of the planets we're thought to
Speaker 6: have let me find the old ancient view of this
Speaker 6: in their spheres and their courses. The idea was that
Speaker 6: there were notes associated with them. See I think so
Speaker 6: it comes up in the Timaeus the sphere. Yeah, it
Speaker 6: is the most the best form. I particularly want to
Speaker 6: get to the idea of being notes. If you have
Speaker 6: order is it. If you have this book, it comes
Speaker 6: up in the quad driven. It comes up in quadrivene
Speaker 6: as well. Right, you get towards the end of the
Speaker 6: book and it will talk about the notes in the
Speaker 6: celestial spheres and the idea here being the universe is
Speaker 6: not just a giant clock, right, And you can see
Speaker 6: like the movement of the planets and their orbit and
Speaker 6: all that. It's kind of like the ticking of a
Speaker 6: big clock. Right, But it's not just that. It's also
Speaker 6: a big instrument. So maybe it's both. Maybe it's a
Speaker 6: clock instrument. And there were there were some Renaissance people
Speaker 6: who had what is the name of that big somebody
Speaker 6: invented a big goofy machine. And I referenced in the
Speaker 6: David Lynch analysis that we did what was that thing called?
Speaker 6: Does an I remember the musical instrument as supposed to
Speaker 6: be like a representation of the universe. Let's see Renaissance
Speaker 6: neoplatonic musical instrument pipes. Yes, now here is one of
Speaker 6: the papers that I read. I can't believe this came up.
Speaker 6: If you want more into this topic, I read this
Speaker 6: paper ten years ago when I was researching this neoplatonic
Speaker 6: and Phagoryan notions of world harmony and unity and their
Speaker 6: influence on Renaissance dance theory. He said, why would that
Speaker 6: be relevant? Because the universe is a big dance. It's
Speaker 6: the dance of the created order around the sun being
Speaker 6: representing God or the Logos in the center, and then
Speaker 6: everything else right having its dance around that or around Earth.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter which cosmological model you accept, that's not
Speaker 6: the point. But what is the name of that instrument?
Speaker 6: Do you guys know what I'm talking about? It's like
Speaker 6: a weird It's in my book, yes, so let me
Speaker 6: find that. Bear with me. It's worth it because it's
Speaker 6: in my chapter on season three of Twin Peaks. Yes,
Speaker 6: here we go, Robert Flood. What do you know? Who
Speaker 6: did I pull up? Robert Flood? See, I know what
Speaker 6: I'm talking about, Like, I'm onto something with this right.
Speaker 6: So again, if you can get a hold of this paper,
Speaker 6: not this paper, where did it go? Renaissance dance theory
Speaker 6: and neoplatonic world models, that will help you understand what
Speaker 6: I'm getting at. I don't want Google images Robert Flood's
Speaker 6: temple of music. That's what I'm looking for. And remember
Speaker 6: in Lewis's in it Prince Caspian. Caspian's two is Flood?
Speaker 6: Isn't that right? Am I right? Is it Caspians tutor?
Speaker 6: Or is it am I think? Am I mixing it
Speaker 6: up with the boy and his Horse? I get the
Speaker 6: two stories mixed up sometimes because it's been several years
Speaker 6: since I read the Narnia. Do you guys remember can
Speaker 6: somebody in the chat remind me if is it tutor?
Speaker 6: That's not for sure? It had to be doctor Cornelius
Speaker 6: that's it. Maybe it's not Flood Or is it Flood
Speaker 6: doctor Cornelius? Who is doctor Cornelius? That's it? What's his
Speaker 6: last name? Maybe I'm wrong and it's not Flood, it's Agrippa.
Speaker 6: Does it say Cornelius is last name at any point?
Speaker 6: Because if it's not, maybe he may have been referencing
Speaker 6: Cornelius Agrippa. I'm not gonna read all that, okay. Whether
Speaker 6: it's Robert Flood or Cornelius Agrippa doesn't really matter because
Speaker 6: it still makes the same point about Renaissance majish type stuff.
Speaker 6: Temple of Music by Robert Flood as a mnemonic device.
Speaker 6: So it's this thing here, and you'll notice up there. Thus,
Speaker 6: what's supposed to be like the celestial spheres. I don't
Speaker 6: know what's all going down what kind of party is
Speaker 6: going on down there at the bottom of this thing.
Speaker 6: But I just want a basic rundown. I don't need
Speaker 6: fifty academic papers. So I guess he had had a
Speaker 6: dream about this or something. Yeah, we know, music is
Speaker 6: number of mysticism, I know, I know. Let's see what
Speaker 6: this guy says. Okay, so Flood had an interest in Yeah, macrocosm, macrocosm,
Speaker 6: all the stuff that you know. So here's this big thing.
Speaker 6: Look at this wild thing. And apparently he had a
Speaker 6: dream about this. Right, So this I'm assuming it's like
Speaker 6: celestial spheres and whatnot. The rest of this have no
Speaker 6: idea what this is. I mean, it's obviously musical notes
Speaker 6: and instruments, but I mean, he got like super crazy
Speaker 6: with this thing. The Temple attempts to synthesize his musical theory,
Speaker 6: focusing on the use of consonants and dissonance in rhythmic proportions.
Speaker 6: Flood explained that if you examine keenly the parts of
Speaker 6: the temple, you will have a share in its mysteries.
Speaker 6: An extremely experienced master in this knowledge, so it's a
Speaker 6: mnemonic device for music music theory. The symbols are all
Speaker 6: allegories from the temple, referencing Apollo or Pythagoras, and the
Speaker 6: images are also supposed to have a relationship to the
Speaker 6: memory palace. I'm sure you know what a memory palace is.
Speaker 6: But it's supposed to also relate to the neoplatonic idea
Speaker 6: that the universe is basically sung into existence. But anyway,
Speaker 6: I can't find anything on that right now, but that
Speaker 6: Renaissance dance theory paper that I mentioned does talk about it.
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Speaker 6: here's a Amanda says. For ten dollars, can you recommend
Speaker 6: a church father that discusses why reality is fundamentally triadic
Speaker 6: rather than monistic or diaddic. Yeah. So this is covered
Speaker 6: in Vladimir Lawski's book Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church.
Speaker 6: In the chapter on the Trinity, he goes into restating
Speaker 6: the arguments from Maximus and Gregory, Nazi a Zeus, Gregory,
Speaker 6: Andissa as to why this is the case. It's covered
Speaker 6: in different places in Saint Maximus, but specifically in a
Speaker 6: couple of the Questions and Doubts. So if you read
Speaker 6: Questions of Doubts, you'll see a couple instances there. I
Speaker 6: don't remember which one they are because I don't have
Speaker 6: the book confront of me, but it comes up in
Speaker 6: the AMBIGUITA. The first Ambiguit deals with this. But the
Speaker 6: easiest readable explanation isn't in Maximus. It's just in Lasky's
Speaker 6: summary of this in the chapter on the Trinity and
Speaker 6: Mystical Theology the Eastern Church. But he's just pulling it
Speaker 6: from Maximus and Gregory nazianzas gone learn learn them? Can
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Speaker 12: Pops, Well, you know, my father was always into funco pops,
Speaker 12: and you know it's something that deep dome if you,
Speaker 12: if you, if you think about it, deep don't in
Speaker 12: your soul. We're all one kind of funkl pup. Perhaps
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 12: I don't know, No, I don't know.
Speaker 6: But it could be that was really dumb. I know
Speaker 6: I'm tired, so my mind is not old here today
Speaker 6: it's mush. I got up early for an interview, which
Speaker 6: I was happy to do, but man, it was early,
Speaker 6: and then I had to drink coffee to do the
Speaker 6: interview because it was too early. I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 6: I will never be a morning person. And then I
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Speaker 6: Ben Swann beat me on hair this week. But hey,
Speaker 6: maybe next week I'll come back with with hair that's
Speaker 6: to die for. An old or Apologist says, this is
Speaker 6: going to be good. I've been waiting for this one. Yes,
Speaker 6: this was a long one in the mix, right, We've
Speaker 6: been waiting a long time to do this. Hopefully, if
Speaker 6: we get a good enough feedback. If I get enough
Speaker 6: super chats love points, I'll do more. I mean, I
Speaker 6: got stacks of lit, dude, I could. I can ramble
Speaker 6: on about lit just as much as long as we
Speaker 6: can about movies, but nobody reads books anymore. But now
Speaker 6: that movies are turning to pure garbage, maybe people will
Speaker 6: start reading books again. I don't know, we'll see, but
Speaker 6: I mean we could do. I was pulling out some
Speaker 6: other books that remind that I was reminded of reading
Speaker 6: the Space Trilogy, and there's obvious ones, right. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's a lot like nineteen eighty four in ways, except again,
Speaker 6: Orwell's book just leaves you feeling hopeless, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's nothing Christian about Orwell's book, even though it's amazingly
Speaker 6: prophetic and accurate. Foundation. I mean, Foundation is interesting and
Speaker 6: predictive in certain ways. But I mean this is just
Speaker 6: like pure sullyance, Like this is like the soyboy sci fi. Right,
Speaker 6: I've not watched the TV show Foundation. I kind of
Speaker 6: enjoyed this book. I didn't enjoy Foundation enough to keep
Speaker 6: reading the Foundation series, so it was kind of boring
Speaker 6: to me, believe it or not, I don't know. I
Speaker 6: know there's a lot of people who would hate this,
Speaker 6: but Ann Rand actually has a decent sci fi story.
Speaker 6: Dystobea story. Anthem is a good sci fi story. If
Speaker 6: you've not read Anthem, I recommend it's pretty good. Now, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's going to be tainted with the goofy kind of
Speaker 6: libertarian ethos stuff. I'm not saying I like everything about
Speaker 6: I don't like everything about and these stories they have
Speaker 6: different reasons why they're good. But Anthem is. I thought
Speaker 6: it was a pretty good dystopia story. And I'm not
Speaker 6: the hugest, biggest an Ran fan, but but Anthem is
Speaker 6: pretty good. But you can make that decision if you
Speaker 6: want Brave New World. Everybody knows about Brave New World.
Speaker 6: I mean, just think about the contrast of these various dystopias.
Speaker 6: I mean, again, another hopeless story, right, Huxley's dystopia is
Speaker 6: completely hopeless, nineteen eighty four a completely hopeless. Ann Rand's
Speaker 6: dystopia is not hopeless. But it's like, oh, the hope
Speaker 6: is the power of reason? Come on, dude, really, I
Speaker 6: mean that's the very thing that Weston represents right as
Speaker 6: a mov's. I mean, it's not really a dystopia. But
Speaker 6: other than the predictive elements. I don't really see much
Speaker 6: value and foundation, right.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 6: It's unique, right, Christian dystopia literature not a genre that
Speaker 6: really took off. But thank you so much, Noldor. I
Speaker 6: appreciate the big fat super chet DP ten dollars. Thank
Speaker 6: you for helping me in my journey to becoming orthodox.
Speaker 6: Hey many years awesome. Glad to hear that shout out
Speaker 6: to DP much appreciate that super chat dog. Frankie D
Speaker 6: ten dollars. I'm gonna miss most of this show in
Speaker 6: airplane mode. He's probably not even on a plane. He
Speaker 6: just wanted to say, I am intentionally putting my phone
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Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: The wibble wobble, the wibi flob, the wibble flebbies were
Speaker 6: pretty funny. Thank you. I've made fun of stupid British
Speaker 6: slang in terminology for a long time. So we're gonna
Speaker 6: coast and milk that one as much as we can.
Speaker 6: Frankie D. Five dollars. Is interesting that the esoteristis describe
Speaker 6: the spiritual realm, but they are aligned with evil, right,
Speaker 6: But a lot of them don't know that, right. They
Speaker 6: don't they they're deluded, so they many of them think
Speaker 6: that they're doing good or they justified or whatever. So
Speaker 6: that's the power of delusion, is that we can actually believe.
Speaker 6: Are you know that, well, I'm doing good, I'm not
Speaker 6: doing evil? And you know you might not even know
Speaker 6: that you're that evil. Right, that's the power of delusions.
Speaker 6: I've encountered various mythologies and noticed that there's a common theme.
Speaker 6: They seem to be the story of the cosmos from
Speaker 6: the perspective of the fallen Yes, that is correct. I
Speaker 6: think typically Gnostic stories, the Gnostic mythology and ethos, which
Speaker 6: people who follow my channel, my books, we've covered this
Speaker 6: many many times for countless sign for years. Hollywood typically
Speaker 6: represents the Gnostic story, right, the bumbling goofy idiotic creator
Speaker 6: did who's removed and useless to the creation. There's the
Speaker 6: rebellious hero, anarchic figure, the Lucifer character who's the hero
Speaker 6: of the Savior who fights against the bumbling creator, Roy
Speaker 6: Batty Tyrrell. Right, how often do we see that Gnostic
Speaker 6: version of the story all the time? And so I
Speaker 6: think you're totally right, Frankie d. And it's a point
Speaker 6: that I've made for at least ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 6: Son of Tia, my ten dollars? Can you recommend fantasy?
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not a big fantasy person. I mean,
Speaker 6: let's be honest, most of this fantasy crap is like
Speaker 6: fake and gray, totally right. I mean, who's that one
Speaker 6: woman that was remember the woman connected to the serial
Speaker 6: killers the Mists of Avalon woman and her daughter. Her
Speaker 6: daughter became a Christian and said, that's all a bunch
Speaker 6: of pedos. So I mean there are some good fantasies
Speaker 6: novels and writers, I guess, but good fantasy writers. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think Philip K. Dick is great in various ways,
Speaker 6: but he's very gnostic in his cosmology for sure. I
Speaker 6: do intend, by the way, to do this same type
Speaker 6: of analysis that we're doing right here. I'd like to
Speaker 6: do that with Philip K. Dick's stories too, So, but
Speaker 6: that's not fantasy fantasy fantasy. I mean, I can remember
Speaker 6: fantasy novels that I liked when I was a teenager,
Speaker 6: and in ways they were interesting and fun. But most
Speaker 6: fantasy stories typically tend to be seeded with pagan ideas
Speaker 6: and really stupid stuff like remember I remember just immersing
Speaker 6: myself in Terry Brooks and the sort of in that
Speaker 6: whole series, And although I enjoyed it, I felt like
Speaker 6: this is really just a copy of Tolkien. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's like all the fantasy writers just sort of copying
Speaker 6: Tolkien in various ways. And then I remember trying to
Speaker 6: read Maryan Zimmer Bradley and I was just like, this
Speaker 6: is terrible. This is just a bunch of feminist witch crap,
Speaker 6: which crap, not just witchcraft, but which crap. So, I mean, no,
Speaker 6: most fantasy is just garbage. Dude, I don't know what
Speaker 6: to tell you. I'm sorry. I'm sure there's plenty of
Speaker 6: good Christian fantasy writers out there. I just don't know
Speaker 6: who they are, so I can't. I mean, other than
Speaker 6: like Tolkien and Lewis, I just, off the top of
Speaker 6: my head, just don't know. Frankie D five dollars. The
Speaker 6: story of Zeus borrows from the overthrowing of the Father
Speaker 6: and becoming the new God. Yes, it's correct. The theme
Speaker 6: of imparting knowledge to humans, yeah Prometheus. Yeah. You then
Speaker 6: say Prometheus exactly is portrayed as the one who saves
Speaker 6: and illuminates humans. Yes, exactly. These are these are all Yeah,
Speaker 6: clearly you know Lucifer Satan derivations, thoughts of a pilgrim.
Speaker 6: Five dollars. Thank you for doing this. The story needs
Speaker 6: more coverage. Yes, this is overlooked. I guess because it's Christian.
Speaker 6: I mean the themes are more Christian than Narnia. That
Speaker 6: would be my guess as to why many people have
Speaker 6: not been told about the Space trilogy, or it's it's overlooked,
Speaker 6: or Narnia is just so popular that people just forget
Speaker 6: about it. But it is good, it's it is different.
Speaker 6: I will say it's it's not what I expected. I
Speaker 6: thought it would be like Narnia in Space, and it's not.
Speaker 6: That it's more serious and more sophisticated. Which is not
Speaker 6: to say that I dislike Narnia. I like the I
Speaker 6: like it a lot, but it's it's adult is not
Speaker 6: the right word. It's just more sophisticated. Gay lord folk
Speaker 6: or one dollar yoh. Was the Orthodox position of foreign
Speaker 6: knowledge and predestination that they are compatible. So how that
Speaker 6: is we don't know, but is revealed to be so.
Speaker 6: The Calvinist position is gnostic. Thus, I am curious what
Speaker 6: the Eastern view of those passages is well, we affirm
Speaker 6: both things right. Scripture says, on the one hand, God
Speaker 6: is sovereign, his foreign knowledge and providence extends to everything,
Speaker 6: and yet humans do have free will. And for Orthodox
Speaker 6: we just simply accept that there is a compatible position there.
Speaker 6: Somehow they work together. How we don't know. We don't
Speaker 6: know the mechanics of that, because it just simply is
Speaker 6: beyond human comprehension. And that actually comes up in I
Speaker 6: think what chapter nine or ten of Peril Undra and
Speaker 6: Seious Lewis basically gives the Orthodox view balance tis wonderful stream.
Speaker 6: I went to a Funko pop free bookstore. I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: why did you even go in there? Oh, a Funko
Speaker 6: pop free bookstore. I thought you meant like you were
Speaker 6: getting them free. Like, dude, if your bookstore is giving
Speaker 6: out Funko pops free, it's over. But you're saying that
Speaker 6: this book store had no Funko pops. Hey, thank god
Speaker 6: for that. I found David Rockfeller's memoirs. Yes, do you
Speaker 6: have videos dedicated to this book? Two of the one
Speaker 6: of the Alex fourth Hours was dedicated to that book.
Speaker 6: I don't have one on my YouTube channel that I
Speaker 6: can recall. Dedicated to that book. No, but there is
Speaker 6: one of the hours of the fourth Hour of AJ
Speaker 6: that is the memoirs, or largely pulls from them. Frankie
Speaker 6: d five dollars. This sounds a lot like the Lord
Speaker 6: Valdemort Mythos when he was on Joe Rogan. It kind
Speaker 6: of is. Yeah, I mean, I have no idea if
Speaker 6: Alex has read Swiss Space Trilogy. He could have, I
Speaker 6: don't know, but now that you mention it, it does
Speaker 6: kind of sound like that. Yeah. Interesting, the force of
Speaker 6: good and evil God moving in a certain direction. I
Speaker 6: can't remember all of it. Yeah, I don't remember all
Speaker 6: of it either. I listened to all of that and
Speaker 6: the second one, so I know we did a boiler
Speaker 6: room I think around the time when that happened, because
Speaker 6: it was, you know, just a huge podcast. It's like
Speaker 6: the biggest podcast of the time most views. And well
Speaker 6: I should do like a I should just do like
Speaker 6: a five hour rock fin live stream of that whole podcast.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I see the connection there. I didn't think
Speaker 6: about that, but I think you're right there. Maybe Alex
Speaker 6: has read parlonger Panel Coasts three dollars on the Angelic
Speaker 6: Notes Byzantine Chant is inherited by the ancient Greek music
Speaker 6: musical system for first formulator by Pythagoras. Yes, exactly, Thank
Speaker 6: you so much, Cosmos Panos Cosmotos, Pano costros right, who directed?
Speaker 6: Are you the director of Mandy and I'm joking? Yeah,
Speaker 6: So Pano is backing up that Byzantine chant has the
Speaker 6: same derivation of the Pythagorean model of the notes connected
Speaker 6: to the celestial spheres. John Damascus recast this into our
Speaker 6: eight tone system. Wow, I did not know that, and
Speaker 6: it clostically closely mimics what's supposed to be the angelic chorus. Wow, awesome.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Pano, because I was actually floundering
Speaker 6: there and I couldn't find what I was looking for
Speaker 6: in terms of the the celestial spheres. That helps me
Speaker 6: a lot there, Thank you so much. And then Pino
Speaker 6: says again for two dollars, the eight tiered loopable system
Speaker 6: is reflected mathematically in harmonic series. In the harmonic series,
Speaker 6: this is really freaking cool. Didn't Plato describe the forms
Speaker 6: like this too? Yeah, so the Tamayi speaks that way,
Speaker 6: So yes, Rossi, Ross Roscoe, Pico train. By the way,
Speaker 6: that's a good Roscoe, wasn't it. What is your take
Speaker 6: on Gurjev. I think he's just a kind of a perennialist,
Speaker 6: a new ag guy who sort of cobbled together a
Speaker 6: bunch of different things in a kind of hodgepodge. So
Speaker 6: I don't have I'm not too I'm not into Gurjeaf.
Speaker 6: Is he not a legitimate spiritual source. I think that
Speaker 6: any of the perennialists, any of those people have insights.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've got on my bookshelf, I've got shoe
Speaker 6: on Gerdieff, and I don't have Gurgeff, excuse me, shoe
Speaker 6: on gn On Evil.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: I've got more perennials up there, so Charles Upton, they're insightful,
Speaker 6: But I don't think any of those perennials people really
Speaker 6: gets the main point, which is Christ. I mean, that's
Speaker 6: the that's the key thing for us, right, So I
Speaker 6: mean you can have all kinds of insights from people
Speaker 6: like that, just like you can have all kinds of
Speaker 6: insights in neo platonists, But if they're missing the key thing,
Speaker 6: which is Christ, then it's kind of like you're you're
Speaker 6: missing the point, right. But thank you for that question,
Speaker 6: Ruscoe Pico train. All right, Part two. Remember, if you
Speaker 6: want to see part two, head on over to Jason
Speaker 6: Allisis and you can subscribe there. It will not be
Speaker 6: up tonight. It will be a couple of days. I'm
Speaker 6: still working through finishing the Space trilogy, and then i'll
Speaker 6: have the final talk where we'll cover the rest of Parlandra,
Speaker 6: and then we'll get into what I think is really fascinating,
Speaker 6: that hideous strength, the one that everybody says, what is
Speaker 6: this about? It's obvious what it's about. And if you
Speaker 6: know about you know, the conspiracy element of what's really
Speaker 6: going on in the world, If you know about my
Speaker 6: enthusianism and so forth, then it's obvious what the third
Speaker 6: one is about.
Speaker 10: And C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis, I think is clearly telling us that. So look
Speaker 6: for that in the next week. It may take me
Speaker 6: a full week to do the part two. Don't message me,
Speaker 6: email me win's part two. Where's Part two? Okay, I'm
Speaker 6: telling you right now, it's gonna be a while. Every
Speaker 6: time I do this winds it up. I'll get a
Speaker 6: message tonight it's Part two up. Don't message me about
Speaker 6: part two. It will come, I promise you. Diet so
Speaker 6: to five dollars. I'm just finishing the excellent on the
Speaker 6: Human Condition by Saint Basil. Would you do a stream
Speaker 6: on this? You know, I don't think i've read that.
Speaker 6: We did a live stream two years ago on most
Speaker 6: of Basil's stuff, where I did on the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 6: I did against Unomius by Basil. We did all of
Speaker 6: the key letters, or most of the key letters, but
Speaker 6: that's just what's in the shaft set, except well, against
Speaker 6: Unomius is not in the chaft set. That's the c
Speaker 6: UA press. So but now, I don't think I've actually
Speaker 6: read that, unless it's like homilies or it's actually selections
Speaker 6: of the letters. So if it's its own work, I've
Speaker 6: not read it, but it would be a good idea.
Speaker 6: I haven't been back visited to Saint Basil since what
Speaker 6: like two summers ago, so maybe it would be a
Speaker 6: good idea to revisit Saint Basil. All right, thank you
Speaker 6: guys so much. Everybody. I hope you enjoyed this. Please
Speaker 6: hit like and share a comment below, tell me what
Speaker 6: you think, tell me what I missed, And again I
Speaker 6: did yes, because there will be fifty nerds coming on
Speaker 6: here telling me that I got Flood wrong. It's Agrippa.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, Doctor Cornelius is probably Cornelius Agrippa. It's not
Speaker 6: Robert Flood. But Robert Flood is the guy who came
Speaker 6: up with the universe being a musical instrument thing, musical
Speaker 6: temple or whatever, and asline sings creation into existence. So
Speaker 6: I'm not off on that. That's the Renaissance Platonic Pythagorean
Speaker 6: theory that Pina was talking about. So I was basically right,
Speaker 6: but sometimes sometimes I get details wrong. Guys, okay, and
Speaker 6: guess what everybody does. You don't have to correct me.
Speaker 6: In fifty comments.
Speaker 2: We got an exposed.
Speaker 6: He has no clue what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: He got something wrong, got him. We got