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since we have done literary analysis, so I'm much more subdued,

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and it's going to be a lot softer as we

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get into the literary analysis the Space trilogy. Have you

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read the Space Trilogy? What do you think of it?

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I'm enjoying it. I'm almost done, and so today's installment

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deep stuff. It's gonna be like a classic esoteric Hollywood

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engaging in this to a degree. People debate Tolkien. I

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who meant what and what exactly you know this meant

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grad classes on this, so I'm not speaking out of

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my butt. I'm just going with what my grad lit

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on Lord of the Rings is. So if you don't

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think that it's an allegory, that's fine, and I don't care.

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analysis that I had on my TV show. We did

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War One, and he was looking to the potential dangers

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of more wars in the future, and what world wars

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a sci fi dystopia, but it's a fantasy story with

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clearly Christian imagery themes and borrowing from mythology as well.

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ancient mythology that also has meaning for our century and

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going into the Mordor world, and the races busy fighting

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who is souron himself. And I know Sauron works for

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a higher level fallen demon. I know all that. This

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the Lord of the Rings, right, I know it's in

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the seemlar Alion, So yeah, I know about all that. Anyway. Now,

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main character in our first of the Space trilogy, Ransom,

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is based on Tolkien. Tolkien the philologist, going into the

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meanings of these words, the Middle English, the Old English,

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how it derives from these various Germanic and Nordic and whatever,

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all these all these different origins of the terms that

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around the time when he was really adopting Christianity, but

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it wasn't totally public. He wasn't like full on people.

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so people weren't exactly sure what his religious views were.

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and so we're going to see the atheist, transum umanist,

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dystopian themes in the Space Trilogy very clearly. To the

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extent that I was watching some other professors lectures on

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YouTube about this trilogy and I was surprised at how

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many of these dumb dums don't know what the third

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the illuminating firm. Dummy, like, how do you not know this? Okay,

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all of the people that are it's talking about the

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great reset, It's talking about the people in the upper class,

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the Malthusian elite that obviously C. S. Lewis was aware of,

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that Tolkien was aware of because they were in these circles.

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they knew what Malthusianism was. And so how is it

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predicted the Malthusian technocratic dystopia. I mean, this is the

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meaning of the figure of Weston. Professor. Weston is the

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atheistic materials professor who becomes possessed, becomes a demoniac, and

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his cohort, Divine, ends up being the villain of the

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Third One. And what happens what does he become? He

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becomes lord, not Weston but Divine. Why would he become lord?

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Because Lewis is telling you how the world really works.

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many years doing deep geopolitical analysis, deep history of all

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this stuff, we can recognize the continuity of the agenda

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etcetera up till now with the great reset and full

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one continuity in the writings of the present a elite

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structure to fulfill this same agenda. And this is what

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to be prophetic. Books can be prophetic. We pointed this

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out with Darsievsky. Dolcievsky has prophetic novels and stories and events.

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Sovietism to what fifteen twenty years beforehand, and possessed many, many,

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many fiction writings have the ability to predict the future.

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being in the circles of you know, learned men, being

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in the circles of royal society type people, being in

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the circles of you know, the apex of the Darwinian Ethos, Oxford, Cambridge, right,

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these elite British institutions, they were exposed to the Malthewsian mindset.

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elite class globally speaking. And in fact, that makes these

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books all the more relevant because that mindset, that attitude

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is more globally accepted than it was in his day,

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or in Tolkien's day. And if you don't know, they

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were part of the Inklings, and this was their little

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society that they came up with to challenge each other,

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to spur each other on to write different books. Right,

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one of the adaptations, and they'll all include references to

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the Inklings. Right now, there was another guy interesting that

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most people don't mention. I just remember this, so I'll

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Golden Dawn. So I think some of the ritual elements

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the ideas of neoplatonic magic, which actually will come up

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the Golan Dawn. So, and I apologize for not having

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me see, it's one of these dudes here. Let's see

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Charles Williams. That's him, I think. Yeah, now I've never

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read Charles Williams, but I just remember coming across him

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as a person very into the Golden Dawn and ritual magic.

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not a surprising user. A lot of people in the

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Church of England, right, I mean, they had already for

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a long time being given over to these hermetic interests.

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Christianity for them was probably a perennialist type of thing

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where they didn't even see it as an actual religion

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but rather to here we go. Yeah, So in nineteen

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thirty one, an emphasis on platonic archetypes in his literature. Again,

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his religion or excuse me, to his literature. But I

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do want to show you what I'm talking about, because

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I'm like ninety nine percent sure that he's the one

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that was in the Golden Dawn. Yep, exactly. See, there's

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even academic literature on this very topic. See there you go.

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Told you I know what I'm talking about. I remember

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my rememberings so Akling member Charles Williams, and I don't

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know if he was there at the same time as Crowley,

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but if you remember, Crowley eventually leaves the gold in

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Dawn to start his magical Order. Now, I do not

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believe that C. S. Lewis or Tolkien are evil occultists.

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Some people get their panties in a bundle and get

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all upset about this. I'm not a puritan. I don't

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think there's anything wrong with using fantasy or science fiction

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as a literary device to convey a meaning or a message. Again,

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this is just what allegory is. Allegory is utilizing and

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playing with images and symbols to construct a new version

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of a story. Playing with the archetypes, right, So I

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don't see magic inherently as a problem in literature, as

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a literary device, as a kind of a maguffin or

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something like that, right, And and Lewis's the way he

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plays with it is interesting because he sees it as

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a way to talk about the spiritual realm, or to

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talk about what if we had a planet where the

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fall hadn't occurred yet, or it's in a different time.

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which is of course what part two is about, right,

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Parilandra is the Eden temptation on the planet of Venus,

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because Venus hasn't been tempted yet that planet. And we're

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gonna see again a lot of these esoteric neoplatonic themes.

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the Silent Planet was the mention of the neoplatonic stuff

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at the end. Again, I don't think it shouldn't be

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that surprising, given the fact that the names that are

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constantly drop in the literature is kind of weaving together

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a thread for you to figure out where it's being

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drawn from. And so if you didn't know about the

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celestial spheres, if you didn't know about the neoplatonic hierarchical

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view of the universe, if you didn't know about the

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influence of Neoplatonism and Renaissance hermetic text, if you hadn't

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studied Elizabethan usage of alchemy in Elizabethan literature, which I

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did quite a bit in grad school. I know I've

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written mini papers on that. You can all find them.

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They're all public on my website. You'll know that they

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love to play with this image of alchemy. Now, Lewis

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and Tolkien would have been adamantly totally familiar with their

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own English tradition. And for those that don't know, Shakespeare

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wasn't the only person writing mystical esoteric plays and treatises. Okay,

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you've got Spencer's Fairy Queen, which is a wild hermetic, alchemist,

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neoplatonic myth of England. I mean it's very is crazy, right,

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and it was supposed to be the aneid of the

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British Empire, right, and so it is packed with just

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all of this just outland, just wild neoplatonic magic, theurgy,

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hermetic alchemy, imagery. And if you don't know Ben Johnson,

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John Dunn. All of those guys from that period wrote

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esoteric hermetic alchemical plays, poems, treatises all the time. This

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period is dominated by this stuff. So I think what

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Lewis and Tolkien are doing with and more so Lewis

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in this regard than Tolkien, because Tolkien reaches back beyond

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any of that stuff. He doesn't seem to have much

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of an interest in that, more so reaching into ancient

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myth going back to just straight up Greek mythology something

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like that, right, Lewis seems to have more of an

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interest in pulling from medieval neoplatonism. And that was the

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weirdest part of Out of the Signment Planet is the

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PostScript where Lewis himself, breaking a kind of fourth wall,

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steps in to write a letter to Ransom.

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Speaker 5: So C. S.

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letter to Ransom based on Tolkien, which is pretty Again,

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it's all fascinating, right, And there's these explanations that, oh,

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you know, what you thought was a wild tale is

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real because on other planets they have that they're teeming

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with life. The universe is something more akin to a

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medieval neoplatonic view. Of the universe as it is explained,

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and they even mentioned some guy I don't remember if

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I had the name of the person. I don't think

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it's a real person, but I could be wrong, because

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actually gave a name. They call him Nicholas somebody. Maybe it'supposed,

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maybe it's a stand different Nicolas of Cusa. Maybe it's

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just made up. I don't recall. But the emphasis is

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on the fact that as a philologist, Ransom had discovered

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in ancient texts that other medieval neoplatonists had seen or

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had interacted with, these beings, these planetary rulers. So the

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idea of planetary rulers or planetary sigils and symbols, right,

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this is a classic Hermetic, ancient medieval alchemical notion that

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for each of the planets they also have an angelic ruler.

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And this, I mean, this isn't even foreign to the

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Biblical cosmology either, right, if we've all read divine names,

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if we're familiar with St. Dionysius and his cosmology the

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celestial hierarchy, this is very amenable to the Orthodox view

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in some respects as well, So we should all be

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very familiar with this, especially given the angelic references and

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structure in the Orthodox liturgy, in the Byzantine Liturgy, to

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the powers thrown, principalities, dominions, et cetera, et cetera. So

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Lewis wants to pull from that and talk about how

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the ancient and medieval cosmology and its notions of an

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angelic hierarchy, the nine choirs of the angels, that's the

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real ordering of the universe, according to him. And it's

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becomes really evident in the first novel because the main

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villain there is Professor Weston, who is basically a mad scientist,

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and Weston his whole goal is to spread dialectical materialism,

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radical materialism to the universe, and so it becomes this

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dominating attempt to a man, it's a materialist manifest destiny

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to spread empiricist materialism imperialism to the whole universe. And

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Lewis makes a point to you know, to stress that

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this is actually destructive. It will destroy the worlds that

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they take it to. So if you don't know, basically,

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just summarize. I'm not going to repeat the whole story

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to you. But in the first one you have this

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Professor Ransom who is kidnapped drugged and taken to a

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planet he doesn't know where. He's taken off in the

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spaceship to a planet called Malacandra. And Malachandra is Mars,

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and Mars has its own language, its own creatures, its

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own beings. It's like hedgehog people, and you know, all

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kinds of crazy stuff going on on Malachandra or Marsh.

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And we find out that his kidnappers Weston and Divine.

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Professor Weston is the radical atheistic materialist psycho. So basically

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Birch and Russell. Okay, So Professor Weston, I wouldn't be

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surprised if I mean Lewis knew about this, he knew

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about the Malthusian mindset. He probably based it on Bert

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and Russell. I mean, I don't know that. I'm just

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saying that's who as I'm reading a story, that's who

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comes to mind. Okay. So basically he's up there in

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space with bertrand Russell, who has kidnapped him with this

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other compatriot of his, this character named Divine, and Divine's

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only motivations are great. He's heard that Mars has gold,

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and his thinking is, you know, something like what we're

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hearing from Bezos and Elon musk Oh, you know, we

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will solve our resource problems when we get to Mars,

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because Mars and the Moon they're going to have minerals,

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and we won't have mineral problems anymore because we can

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farm the planets from which I think is a bunch

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of nonsense, right, but regardless, that's what they're saying. So again,

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in ways you can even see today's purported private space programs,

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right musk Bezos, Branson. They're also kind of prefigured in

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either the Weston or the divine character who have kidnapped

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Ransom and taken him to this planet, which he finds

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out later is Mars. I won't go into all the

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details of the Mars. The one thing that I don't

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like about this book from the outset is the language.

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So Mars has its own language, and Lewis really wanted

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to play with the language like Tolkien did. You can

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tell he's definitely doing this because he saw that Tolkien

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was having fun with this in The Hobbit, and the

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Hobbit you know, begins with playing with this Elvish terminology

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and the language of Mordor versus the language of the Hobbits,

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and the elves and blah blah blah blah blah, which

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I understand. I don't have a I don't mind that

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having a place. There is just way too much of

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that in the first book, and it becomes a hassle

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and it becomes annoying. And I understand it's the literary

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device they liked. They're philologists, they want to play with language.

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But the words are stupid. First of all, trifle figgy.

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I mean it sounds like the dumbest possible thing that

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British people could come up with. What's the most dumb,

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stupid British sounding made up name. Magnify it by ten,

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put it on acid, then put it on a dose

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of Mollie. And then what do I get? Oh the

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triple Figies quote a triple Figi's and all the British

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literature wants to do this. Oh got we dumbledolele we

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feeble wobbles get me wobblesh you mean dumb doubles. It's

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like this is dumb. Okay, I'm not five years old. Okay,

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I know this is written for kids, but what is

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the British love for these stupid words?

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Speaker 2: Let mean wobblesh?

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Speaker 6: You mean figu wobblesh mean figgy, eagles mean rolling aham,

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just the goofy words. Anyway, it's overdone. That's the main

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problem with this book. Otherwise it's a great work of literature.

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I mean, let's look through the glossary and I think

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he wants you to have fun in the sense of

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like maybe a kid would have fun decoding this and

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keeping up with the glossary. And you can tell a

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lot of this sounds just like Tolkien stuff. It's all

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Eldish el Deal, the eld deal Bid. Bog El Dil

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is of course spirit or an angel, and you've got

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malel Dil. That will be important because malel Deal is

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basically the Christ figure in the storyline. Right, everybody knows

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Aslan is a Christ type of figure in Narnia, Malel

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Dial is Jesus of this Space Trilogy universe. Essentially, there's

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a bunch of other stupid names that are just kind

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of just annoying and ridiculous. I mean, only a British

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boy in the nineteen forties could enjoy this stuff. It's

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just stupid and it clogs up the story for me, right,

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I don't mind it. In the Lord of the Rings,

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because I feel like in the Lord of the Rings,

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I'm really getting some kind of Elvish language, and that's

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just kind of cool, I guess. And everybody going into

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The Lord of the Rings knows what they're getting into

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when they've got this gigantic, you know, thousand page thing,

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and you know you're gonna have to deal with token

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Tolkien's like pages of description of the geography in the land,

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and you're gonna have to it's basically an entire language. Okay,

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I know what I'm getting into with that. This is

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like a tiny kid book with I don't know how

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many pages, one hundred and forty pages or something, and

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I've got to have this chart to decode all these

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stupid words. Other than that, it's great. It's really good.

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It's an easy, fun read, it's not difficult. And the theology,

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as we said, veiled, it doesn't lay on a bunch

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of heavy stuff. It's like you're enjoying this dystopian kind

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of science fiction story and then you're getting a little

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doses of theology here and there, and you're starting to

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figure out, Okay, so what the problem in this story

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is is that they want to sacrifice a human for

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the potentiality of ruling this world. Right, Ransom thinks that

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if he can convince these people on Mars, these beings

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on Mars, to go along with his scheme, then he

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can gain control of that planet, and then they can

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kind of expand their materialist imperialism to the other planets

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throughout the universe. And this ends up not working. Ransom

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basically foils I'm looking from a notes for the first one.

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Ransom foils the plans of Western He ends up meeting

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with the planetary ruler of Mars, who is oyarsa I think, yeah,

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And it's interesting because the planetary rulers are clearly a

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different kind of angel than the other angels, right, So

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that so he's pulling from either Neoplatonism or medieval hermeticism

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00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,360
or Dionysius to bring in the notion of different types

464
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,920
of angelic beings. Mars is ruled by an angelic being

465
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,239
who is not inherently an evil or fallen figure. It's

466
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,880
just sort of the planetary ruler of Mars, the spirit

467
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:41,639
ruler of Mars, and west excuse me, what's his name.

468
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,480
Ransom figures out what Weston is up to, and then

469
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,639
he realizes that he has providentially been brought there to

470
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,519
help foil these nefarious designs of merchant Russell in space

471
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:59,320
basically right, So he convinces the ruler of Mars that

472
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,599
Weston is a bad guy, that he's actually a murderer.

473
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,039
He's had people killed, kidnapped, and he's trying to foment

474
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:15,679
a destruction on Mars. And then it says at the

475
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,159
end when Lewis introduced himself as the character, and they

476
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,800
end up foiling the plot, of course, but Weston doesn't

477
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,280
get killed. Weston gets away, and he will be the

478
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:31,519
villain in part two as well. It notes that Lewis

479
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:34,840
says that he had written to Ransom inquiring whether he

480
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,039
had ever come across the word O yarsa in any

481
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,159
medieval Neoplatonic texts. This prompts Ransom to share the secret

482
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,679
that the two resolved to hinder Weston from doing further

483
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,559
evil due to the rapid march of the coming or

484
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,480
contemporary events. So we're supposed to realize that, even though

485
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,719
it's a fiction work, the themes of physicist Weston, the

486
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,960
plans are going to continue because he got away, he

487
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:09,280
didn't get killed. Weston is described as a thick set, physicist,

488
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,800
ruthless and arrogant in part one mocks all classics and

489
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,679
history as trash, and he's in favor of pure hard

490
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,599
science and the expansion of the dialectical or reductionist, materialist

491
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:29,079
atheist worldview. So clearly then the theme is Lewis critiquing

492
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:35,519
the evil impetus of that worldview, the Bertran Russell type

493
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,559
of worldview, its predatory nature in terms of expanding and

494
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:46,519
needing to conquer and destroy with the materialist ethos. And

495
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:49,679
then even though we've been introduced to this idea as

496
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:55,960
a critique of the Enlightenment rationalist Darwinian Malthusiam materialist motivation

497
00:40:56,119 --> 00:41:00,960
and mindset, in part two, it's going to become more spiritual.

498
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,360
We're going to move out of just this worldview critique

499
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,840
and we're going to move into the spiritual explanation for

500
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:13,000
the worldview. And this is not again, not a theme

501
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,119
that comes up in Lewis as well. Right in Narnia,

502
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:19,960
we have similar notions of beings that are different types

503
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,039
of beings that are impelled by evil spiritual forces and

504
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,679
not just by angelic good forces or not just by

505
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,960
being characters. Right, characters have the ability in these stories

506
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:37,719
to partake of evil powers or good angelic powers. And

507
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:42,320
I think that's partly why so many Orthodox people find

508
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,239
Lewis so amenable, is that you do you kind of

509
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,480
have theosis in Lewis's stories and in his novels. I mean,

510
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:53,360
think of Screwtape Letters, right, hopefully everybody's read Screwtape Letters.

511
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,880
I mean it's a fiction piece, but it's just a

512
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,639
brilliant insight into spiritual warfare, into the demonic. And we

513
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,400
get something very similar with Part two. So even though

514
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Part one will give has themes of evil, it's mainly

515
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,440
focused on the either or of the worldview of Ransom

516
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,679
and his deference to malel dial in the angelic structure

517
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,280
that Christ, the Christ figure has created for the universe

518
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,519
and obeying his laws. It's this contrast of the two

519
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,960
world views. And then in Part two both of them progress.

520
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:37,639
Both Western and Ransom progress in their journeys Weston in

521
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,880
the sense of becoming possessed. He will move from being

522
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,760
a reductionist, atheist, materialist to a kind of New Age

523
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:53,800
spiritualist who is literally demonically possessed, and his worldview will evolve,

524
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960
it will change. He's not a reductionist materialist anymore. And

525
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:58,360
it's going to be fast and we're going to see

526
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,199
in a minute who his worldview is more or akin to.

527
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,519
And for Ransom. Also, his worldview has progressed. He has

528
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,519
grown in his theological understanding, and that's why the focus

529
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,880
of Perilandra will be heavily theological. It's going to be

530
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,000
a series of I mean, it's it's fascinating because it's

531
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:21,199
unique and it's almost like it's not really a sci

532
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,320
fi dystopia. It's almost mythology. So it will be more

533
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,400
like Lewis will pull from Greek mythology in Peralandra than

534
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,800
anything like you know as a mob or Arthur C. Clark,

535
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,880
even though it's a space fiction thing. It's kind of

536
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,559
like contrasting Star Wars to Star Trek, right, I mean,

537
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:48,039
Star Trek is like the hardcore so called sooyance, and

538
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,599
Star Wars is more like I mean classic Star Wars,

539
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,880
not Disney Star Wars. Classic Star Wars is more like

540
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,440
space opera. And that's what Perilandra will be. But it's

541
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:05,280
not just space opera, fantasy, see and mythology. It's also

542
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:12,519
going to engage in fairly sophisticated theological debate, so that

543
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,199
that is not what I expected. I did not expect

544
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,280
the movement from part one to part two to be

545
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:26,239
fairly sophisticated theological debate because in the novel, Ransom will

546
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:32,320
have the debates and discussions with Venus, the planetary spirit

547
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,159
ruler of Venus, the girl the goddess Venus, and with Weston,

548
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:45,880
who is now fully demonically possessed. So and it reminds

549
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,000
me too that there's other cases in Lewis like this

550
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:53,559
as well. Remember Jadas, right, Jadas is similar. It just

551
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,360
made me think of similar situations because she's like this

552
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:00,519
ice queen, right, and she's not Lilith, but she's reminds

553
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:05,800
me of Lilith. And she is summoned with like magic bells.

554
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,679
Remember that. And then in the first Magician's Nephew, there's

555
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,000
these pools that are like portals that you step into

556
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,400
the different worlds. I mean, all that's fascinating. I think

557
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:19,880
Magician's Nephew is excellent. It's it's better than Lion Witch

558
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:26,320
and the Wardrobe. Actually, I think Uh Boy and his

559
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,840
Horse is better than Language and Wardrobe. I mean, I

560
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:32,840
like the land Witch and the wardrobe, and I understand

561
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,760
why everybody likes it, But there's other ones in that

562
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,719
series that are that are a lot better and more interesting,

563
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:45,119
and they're they're they're all allegorical. But what you have

564
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,880
in Perilandra is something way more serious and sophisticated than

565
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,960
anything you would find in Narnia. Right, this is I mean,

566
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,079
he's he's even gonna deal with themes of sexuality in

567
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:01,039
the Fall. He's gonna deal with prede and free will.

568
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:05,800
He's going to deal with the mode of being in

569
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,800
which Eden in the world would have been if it

570
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,480
hadn't fallen. And he's doing it through this literary device

571
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:17,000
of saying, what if Venus on Venus, the fall has

572
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:20,400
or the temptation or the fall hasn't happened yet. And

573
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:24,239
so the idea is that the angelic beings, even though

574
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,280
they're outside of time and space, or they're outside of

575
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,079
time as we understand it, maybe they're undergoing a temptation

576
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:33,320
as well, kind of outside of time, and so they're

577
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:39,239
being tempted in their own ways. And that's precisely what

578
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,480
part two is about. So Paralandra is about Weston having

579
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,400
to go back. He doesn't exactly know why on another journey,

580
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,119
another adventure, and he has taken to Venus, and he's

581
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:59,679
taken there to meet with the angelic spiritual being ruler

582
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,639
of Venus, this goddess Venus and her king who we've

583
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,320
not met yet, who is for whatever reason absent, and

584
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:10,920
I think we will. I will tell you why that

585
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:14,760
is her in a moment. Why I think that is.

586
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,960
At the beginning, Ransom mentions different esoteric schools, which I

587
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,639
didn't expect that had spoken of seeing these spiritual entities

588
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:31,599
and beings. He mentions Rudolph Steiner's anthroposophy. Now that was

589
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,280
odd to me. That was bizarre because, as everybody knows,

590
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,079
Steiner was a disciple of Blovatski Blevatski's theosophy of crazy

591
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:44,159
cult and Steiner went in a different direction created his

592
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,679
own cult anthroposophy. But it also has this idea of,

593
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,280
you know, seeing into the spiritual realm and seeing all

594
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,719
these different sort of beings and whatnot. And so I

595
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,679
don't again, I don't think C. S. Lewis was an anthroposophist,

596
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,199
but I think he's saying that what these esoterists are

597
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,239
talking about is the same thing that I'm describing to you.

598
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,840
Which is the same thing that Christianity describes as the

599
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,480
spiritual realm, which is not just populated by quote angels

600
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:16,639
and demons, but populated by various types of angelic beings

601
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,119
and various types of demonic beings. Because remember in the Orthodox,

602
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:25,719
in the Christian view, it's not just quote one generic

603
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,360
type of angel that fell. There's nine choirs of angels

604
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,760
in the Biblical revelation, and angels from each of those

605
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,280
angelic choirs fell, So there are various types of demonic

606
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,480
and angelic beings. So I think that's the theology, the philosophy,

607
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,719
the esoteric idea that undergirds this. It's not an anthroposophical text,

608
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:59,039
but it's pulling from the notion of anthroposophists that you can,

609
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:03,000
you know, experienced the spiritual world and there's all these beings.

610
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,639
That's why I think Ransom mentions that at the beginning,

611
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,920
and then we have the an even clearer description. We

612
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:12,639
kind of got this in part one, but it becomes

613
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:16,119
a little bit clearer in part two that the aliens

614
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,280
that or the beings the space beings that are being

615
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,000
encountered are angels and demons. So Lewis was way ahead

616
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,719
of his time in pointing out that the alien UFO

617
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,320
type thing that's going on, whatever that is, is, at

618
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,159
least on one level, a spiritual phenomenon aka angels and demons.

619
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:45,960
I don't know if anybody else prior to him had

620
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:50,000
even spoken this way. Maybe I'm just guessing, speculating. I

621
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:53,039
don't really know. I'm sure somebody out there has, you know,

622
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,480
a better assessment of who would have been the first

623
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:04,079
person to really question this ocean of alien beings and

624
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,519
tying it to the demonic again, who the first person

625
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,199
was to do that, I don't know. By the way,

626
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,559
this show does keep going by your superchats, so I

627
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would implore you, if you do want to see me,

628
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,639
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00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,880
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done through stream Labs. So thank you to the mods

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for continuing to put those stream laves links. And I

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want to thank everybody who did move over to rock Fin.

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We had a huge jump in the subscribers over on

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you that haven't moved over there to also follow me

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that is a free speech based platform. It's an excellent platform.

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They're really good to their content creators and they're kind.

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They're basically what YouTube was in twenty twelve. So if

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they're a great red bull free speech company, so they

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stick to their principles. So again, I'll be reading the

645
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,880
super Chatz here in a moment, and we're only going

646
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,039
to do the first half, as you know, because I

647
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,159
put quite a bit of time and effort into this

648
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,880
type of a talk. It's a half and half talk.

649
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,719
So for those who are interested in hearing the second

650
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,679
half of Parilandra and the third book, The Hideous Strength

651
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,000
That He Is Strength, the third part of the trilogy,

652
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:40,199
you will need to subscribe to Jays Analysis. It will

653
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also be available to the rock Fin subscribers as well.

654
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,440
But this is a this will be a member's based

655
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,199
talk and the third one is the most revelatory. Remember

656
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,960
the third one, we will have basically the Illuminate Confirm.

657
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:58,440
We will have the Illuminate Confirm wanting to depopulate explicitly

658
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:02,320
with their Malthusian agenda. So C. S. Lewis is exposing

659
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,079
us to the real illuminate, confirm. And now you see

660
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,239
why this has never been made into movies and it

661
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,360
never will be made into me this. You can't have

662
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:14,599
what is the subject of this in a veiled Christian

663
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:19,840
theology out there in blockbuster form. You see, they would

664
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:25,039
never allow that. Disney, you know, they kind of, you know,

665
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,920
did what the first three of Narnia, and I mean

666
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:37,079
Narnia is what's the word I'm looking for. Narnia is

667
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,760
kid enough that it's not really that sophisticated, you know

668
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,719
what I mean. Yes, Oslyn dies, okay, so he dies

669
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,920
for the people. Jesus dies to be worried. I mean,

670
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,639
that's it's basically what's going on in Narnia. It's not

671
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,599
it's not super sophisticated in language and wardrobe, but here

672
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,840
it does get more sophisticated. So let's get into this.

673
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,280
So Ransom is experiencing Venus, and he's noticed that time

674
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,519
and space and things don't work the same on Venus

675
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,559
like they do on Earth. And eventually he comes to

676
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:11,679
realize when he meets Venus herself and begins to dialogue

677
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,679
and debate and interact with her. That Venus has not fallen,

678
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:19,320
and so he still doesn't know why he's there, why

679
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,320
Christ has essentially sent him to Venus for some mission

680
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,440
he doesn't know exactly yet, and he realizes, Okay, it's

681
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,039
not fallen. And then he realizes, after kind of making

682
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:32,559
his way and getting used to the lay of the

683
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:35,000
land and the weirdness of Venus are on this sort

684
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:40,679
of floating island, that there's different laws for different planets.

685
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:46,119
So the ethics of Venus are such that the inhabitants

686
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:52,000
of Venus are forbidden to sleep on fixed land, so

687
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,480
they can go on land, but they can't sleep there,

688
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:57,599
and we don't exactly know why, but that's essentially what

689
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,599
the law of Venus is that Christ gave to it.

690
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,519
And so Western, you know, excuse me a Ransom, is

691
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:09,559
fine with all that. He's just sort of mystified and

692
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:15,480
blown away by all this weird metaphysics of Venus. And

693
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,840
then we find a spaceship crashes there and wouldn't you know,

694
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:21,840
Weston shows up, all right, So Weston has also been

695
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:28,320
sent to Venus before a different purpose. Western's trip to

696
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:38,480
Venus is because he is being impelled by the black ARCon. No,

697
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:44,639
it's not David Ike time does anytime I hear that, now,

698
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,280
I know it's a Gnostic thing, but every time I

699
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,320
hear it's like, okay, some of this is David Ike world. Now.

700
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,960
So the black akon the cheta Uri on Venus, you

701
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:02,840
see that, yeomen's on Venus. Satan, who we find out

702
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:08,239
is the fallen ruler of Earth. So Earth's angel fell

703
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,599
and rebelled. You see again, that's pretty much right Jesus.

704
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,119
When Jesus is tempted by Satan, what does Satan say?

705
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,440
All of this is mine. I can give this world

706
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:21,880
to you if you'll worship me. And of course, this

707
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,159
I think is the true sense of the term ARCon.

708
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,400
All right, that's a term used in not just Gnostics,

709
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,159
but it's just a term in the Greek for a power,

710
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,559
a deity, an angel, a being a planetary ruler. So

711
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:41,119
the planetary ruler of Earth we find out, is Satan,

712
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:45,320
and he's fallen, and he has a desire to lead

713
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,320
an attack on Venus because he wants to in this

714
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:55,239
cosmic spiritual warfare. He wants Venus to fall because Venus

715
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,559
is still under the dominion of Christ, and the planetary

716
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:06,039
rulers of Venus are still loyal to Christ. But Ransom

717
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:10,480
is sent there with Satanic power. Now excuse me, Weston,

718
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,960
I keep you any Weston is sent there at the

719
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000
impetus of Satan. He doesn't actually know this yet, but

720
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,679
he's actually possessed, and his goal is to tempt Venus

721
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:27,159
to fall. And we know that it's not fallen because

722
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,039
when Ransom is there, Venus is naked and for whatever reason,

723
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,280
Ransom had to be naked because he was delivered there

724
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,599
in a silver ice casket or some kind of weird

725
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:42,840
space casket, I should say, and he's naked. Venus is naked.

726
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,639
She's a babe, a buxom babe. But he says, I

727
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,559
was not tempted. There's absolutely no sexual temptation. He said.

728
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:55,480
That's when I realized, Okay, so Venus isn't fallen. And

729
00:56:56,599 --> 00:57:02,920
my guess as to the fixed land versus sea allowance

730
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,400
would be that in the Neoplatonic idea, you would have

731
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:15,880
a gradation of stasis versus change, right, stasis being better

732
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,199
than change. Actually not just in Neoplatonism. That would be

733
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,079
pretty much true for Plato Aristotle or most Greek philosophers, right,

734
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:27,199
unless it was somebody like you know, Heraclitis or something, right,

735
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,679
unless it was a philosophy thought that all this flux,

736
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,760
the idea of stasis and change, that's the only thing

737
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,920
I could come up with, the floating land versus the sea,

738
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,880
and that you can't sleep on stable land, which was

739
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:45,599
Christ's rule law for Venus for whatever reason, the only

740
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:47,119
thing I could come up with is that in the

741
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:52,400
Neoplatonic or the Greek colinic systems, stasis is superior to change.

742
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:56,400
And so the temptation for the beings that were allowed

743
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:03,119
to sleep, or sea being sleeping in the ocean, their

744
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:06,880
temptation would be all I want to experience stasis, right,

745
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:18,199
And in the Hellenic dialectic, stasis is superior to flux

746
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,800
or change. So the ocean being in constant movement versus

747
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:26,559
land being fixed in stasis, and it's called fixed versus

748
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,880
ocean right in the novel, that would be the temptation

749
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:34,800
for them. And that's not the only temptation, right When Ransom,

750
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:37,800
excuse me, when Weston engages in all these dialogues and

751
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:43,159
debates and explanations and stories trying to get venus to sin.

752
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:48,239
He uses things like appeals to vanity, appeals to pride.

753
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,679
He says, you need mirrors, you need makeup, you need

754
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:56,639
all these things that make you beautiful to you. And

755
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,440
so I think there's a conscious pull from the narcissusthology.

756
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: Right.

757
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 6: Lewis is clearly intentionally referring to Narcissus. I wrote a

758
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,400
whole essay by the way, years ago. I didn't even

759
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:10,239
I had not read this. I didn't know this was

760
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,679
in here. Just on my own research. I thought, well,

761
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,000
if you think about it, the story of Narcissus is

762
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:19,039
kind of like the Fall, right. It's a turn inward.

763
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,760
It's a turn to worshiping the self and vanity. And

764
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,440
Lewis does that exact thing in this story to pull

765
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:29,719
from the Narcissus mythology mythos to.

766
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,239
Speaker 2: Make it.

767
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,559
Speaker 6: Comparable to the fall, because the Fall is essentially not

768
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:43,679
our worship and obedience directed to God. It's a turn inward. Remember,

769
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,840
we just saw this in the last livestream that we did,

770
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:50,039
where we looked at Genesis two and three when it

771
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:54,119
talks about God's law and covenant for Eden and Adam

772
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:58,159
and Eves saying being tempted Satan saying, no, you will

773
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,679
determine good and evil. You will turn into yourself upon yourself.

774
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,639
You will look at yourself, you will worship yourself. And

775
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:10,280
that's what Weston says. Weston says Venus, Venus, baby, We're

776
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,719
gonna make you a sty I mean he's literally actually

777
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,320
he sounds like a kind of like a Hollywood groomer. Right, Oh,

778
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,480
we're gonna make you a big star. You're gonna be

779
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:20,960
to everybody's gonna be looking at you. They're gonna worship you.

780
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:28,760
You are gonna worship you. Right, and so Ransom realizes, Okay,

781
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:34,159
my job then is to dissuade Venus from falling. So

782
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,159
essentially what we have is the whole Eden story on Venus.

783
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:46,840
It's a mythological, theological telling of the events of Eden

784
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:59,199
on Venus and Weston represents the serpent figure and Ransom

785
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,400
represents Christ or the angel messenger. Right, So it's like

786
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,039
the angel and the demon on your shoulder, and they're

787
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:09,880
both whispering and arguing and having debates with each other

788
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:16,519
and with Venus. So fascinating concepts, right, fascinating idea at

789
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,400
once theological and also mythological, pulling from all kinds of

790
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,599
Greek and classic mythology. But I think what's really interesting

791
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,400
is that a big part of this is debate. I

792
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,639
did not expect that. You do not expect a novel

793
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:40,360
like this to be engaged in debates, but debate is

794
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,639
a big part of this novel, and not just intellectual

795
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:50,800
rational debate, but also physical battle or the BBC asked

796
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,639
him to come and give apologetics, lectures and defenses of Christianity,

797
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:59,719
which would become his famous book Mere Christianity, which I

798
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,159
don't think is that great. Actually, it's I mean, has

799
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:05,559
some prose, but it also has some pretty big deficiencies

800
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,400
in terms of theology. But it's well known. It's a

801
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,079
class again. C. S. Lewis does at times have apologetic

802
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:16,960
insights right God in the doc he at times he'll

803
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:19,159
use even a transcendental argument, believed or not.

804
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 11: So.

805
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 6: Lewis is insightful as an apologist, but he's not that

806
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,719
good of a theologian ultimately. But he is insightful, and

807
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,599
he's one of the more insightful Western theologians from the

808
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:43,960
Orthodox fantas point. So he's in this constant debate with

809
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,320
the demonically possessed Western, and that's not my interpretation. Like

810
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,079
Western's froths around and starts having seizures, and like his

811
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:55,360
face contorts, he turns into a different type of being

812
01:02:56,119 --> 01:03:03,280
who has superhuman energy, human intelligence, which Weston describes as

813
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,440
exhausting to debate with. He says that he realized that

814
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:10,760
in debates with Weston, he was debating with a superhuman intelligence,

815
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:14,079
and eventually he would become more and more exhausted having

816
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:17,239
his debates. And then he starts wondering, and it starts

817
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,400
looking like Venus is going to give in, and he's

818
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:28,920
gonna She's going to sin and listen to Weston and Western.

819
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:33,079
It's amazing because Weston as a character anticipates so many

820
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:37,880
things and movements in religion and theology at that time.

821
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:44,760
The most obvious character that he seems like to me

822
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,840
is Tayhard to chard In. I mean, did anybody else

823
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,920
think of Tayhard when you read this? Because it's like

824
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,559
the bertrand Russell. How can we get a more demonically

825
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:59,400
possessed version of Bertrand Russell? Well, who after who at

826
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,400
that time exemplifies this attitude, like literally even saying the

827
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:09,960
things that Weston says. Tay Hard this shart in. I

828
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:14,280
mean the idea that fundamental reality is all spirit, all

829
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,960
of reality is monistically spirit coming to self realization. This

830
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:23,079
is all the crap, the gibberish that Weston says, right,

831
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:32,880
he says this to Venus and to Ransom. Let's see,

832
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:36,559
I listed several key things, and one of the best

833
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:40,519
chapters is chapter seven. So seven is key because he

834
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:46,440
goes into this detailed explanation of his emergent atheistic materialist

835
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,480
or his worldviews evolve from atheistic materialism to an emergent spiritualism.

836
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:59,599
He says basically that evolutionary dynamism and increasing complexity has

837
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:04,440
shown that reality is moving from physicality to pure spirit. This,

838
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:09,639
he says, is basically a transhumanist movement, whereas where spirit

839
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:15,320
itself or a quote holy spirit he thinks Western thinks,

840
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,360
has moved him and changed him and enlightened him. He says,

841
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,079
I realize now that this entity, this spirit, has guided

842
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:28,079
and chosen me to reveal this and to reveal this force.

843
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,679
Notice it's an impersonal it's not a personal deity, it's

844
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:34,840
not a personal god. It's a force that is the

845
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,039
vital life force moving all of reality, and an evolutionary

846
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:44,599
scheme to a unity of pure spirit. So it's a

847
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:49,599
gnostic Tahart days Shardan worldview. Literally, I have to think

848
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:55,440
he used Tahart as the model for the demonic theosis.

849
01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:58,079
It's like an inverted theosis. Right, So it's moving from

850
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:05,079
atheist materialism to now Western exemplifying literal signs of demonic possession, gibberish,

851
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:11,079
talking in other languages, doing weird gestures, superhuman energy and intelligence,

852
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:18,000
facial contortion. I mean, it's it's not my analysis. He

853
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:20,960
really he's possessed clearly. In the novel said that right,

854
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,679
Weston explains that his new reality, new view of reality

855
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,360
is a metaphysical one in which monism is the truth,

856
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,159
all reality is won. This sequence is all very reminiscent

857
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:39,719
of screw table letters. By the way Western counters excuse me.

858
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,400
Ransom counters Weston by saying, well, don't you think that

859
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:45,440
it's possible that just because something spirit that doesn't mean

860
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,559
it's good? And how many New ages?

861
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:47,719
Speaker 2: Right?

862
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 6: This also anticipates the New Age movement decades ahead of

863
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,920
its time. How many people think the spiritual and spiritual

864
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:59,199
but not religious okay? Well? Or or the people that

865
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,480
do their trips right, acid trips, mushroom trips, d MT.

866
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,880
I talk to the angelic. I took to dispute it beings. Well,

867
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,440
just because something spirit doesn't mean that it's good. Maybe

868
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:15,599
it's an evil spirit and it's great. Because Ransom actually

869
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:17,519
raises all these objections, he said, well, just because the

870
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:20,039
spirit isn't is good, but maybe maybe it's an evil spirit.

871
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,719
And then we have an explanent a literary expert or

872
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,719
excuse me. Ransom comes all the way full circle and

873
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,840
he says, I realized I am Weston. I can keep

874
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:40,559
getting me so western evil demonic Bertrand Russell day Sharten says,

875
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:44,079
I am I am, I am God and the Devil.

876
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:49,079
So he literally goes full Charles Manson in his theology. Right.

877
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,559
I mean Charles Manson isn't on the scene yet when

878
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:55,239
this book is written, but it's like literally predicting that

879
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,599
Charles Manson's theology.

880
01:07:56,719 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 2: Right, I'm the God and the Devil.

881
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 6: I'm your greatest night man in your hope. Right. So

882
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,280
Ransom goes full Manson. Excuse me, Weston goes full Manson,

883
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:15,079
and then we get the literary device explanation eventually, where

884
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:18,319
Lewis explains that what is myth in one world is

885
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:24,319
fact in another world. So again saying the way I'm

886
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,680
doing this is on venus, what we think is myth

887
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:31,840
is actually the way that the physics and the metaphysics

888
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,199
of that world works. So it's not multiverse, it's just

889
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:43,399
other worlds or other planets. So everything is represented as

890
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,680
an edenic temptation. We realize that Weston's real goal now

891
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:52,039
is to bring death. So he's motivated now to bring

892
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:55,760
death because death releases spirit from physicality, you see, So

893
01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:00,960
the justification for the bringing of death is his end goal.

894
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:04,399
His ntilos of this tr day shardin worldview of everything

895
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:10,399
evolving to monistic spirit all is one. They have a

896
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,199
creative evolution debate in chapter nine, which is bizarre when

897
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,239
this gets into I think this is where it starts

898
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,000
to get chapter nine and ten, it moves into a

899
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,560
problem of evil debate and a predestination free will debate,

900
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:27,439
and the debate does not end with this being resolved.

901
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,680
There is not an answer given. It is basically said

902
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,680
to be a form of compatibilism. Again basically the Orthodox view.

903
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,039
We don't follow on either side of that dialectic. But

904
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,760
what we don't have is a justification for the doing

905
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,600
of evil. You see, it does not make sense to

906
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:52,600
do evil. And so in this story we get a mythological,

907
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:57,199
theological version of the Fall or the experience of Eden,

908
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,680
and we even have interesting experiments with playing with time

909
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,840
and space. Right, Lewis begins to act like time doesn't

910
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,800
work the same or time doesn't work the same with Venus,

911
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:11,680
and so Venus herself she doesn't really have a concept

912
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,000
of getting older, like she starts talking about it getting

913
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:16,920
like getting older, but it's within the span of a

914
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,199
few minutes, right, So for her time doesn't work the

915
01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:22,039
same way. Because again, this is not a fallen world.

916
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,600
And although I'm not advocating that literally, it does help

917
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,399
us to understand what the often asked question of people

918
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:36,239
inquiring at orthodoxy, well, how did animals or predators exist

919
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:37,000
before the fall?

920
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: Right?

921
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 6: Do we have incisors before the fall? Why would we

922
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,479
need that if we didn't eat meat? Well, the answer

923
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,720
is that the way that our bodies and biology exists

924
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,199
now is different than the way that it existed before

925
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:53,600
the fall. The mode of all reality is different before

926
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,039
the fall, and you can kind of see inklings of this.

927
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,880
This cosmic scope of the fall, a metaphysical alteration in

928
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:03,479
the universe as a whole.

929
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 5: In c. S.

930
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:10,319
Speaker 6: Lewis right because he's making the spiritual warfare that the

931
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:15,199
Christian believes in. He's making it a cosmic story. And

932
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:17,239
it would also makes sense with the notion of the

933
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:22,279
divine council, right, the planetary rulers. That's that's compatible with

934
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,199
our theology of the angels, the divine name, celestial hierarchy,

935
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:32,520
Dinaysius and with you know what Heiser talks about from

936
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:40,640
the Psalms in terms of the divine council. Basically, just

937
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,000
to sum up there, Weston gives excuse me, Ransom gives

938
01:11:44,079 --> 01:11:49,159
the Christian classical Christian narrative on providence. He says that

939
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,560
God permits evil because the greater good can be brought

940
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,640
out of it. That's the romans A view. We get

941
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,880
this really weird description of Weston. When he gets possessed,

942
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:03,479
he starts dissecting for and ripping them apart, and I

943
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,760
think that's just emblematic of the rapacious, beast like nature

944
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:13,319
of what he's become now. And Lewis also describes the

945
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:17,520
demonic possession, the demon in him as a kind of imp, right,

946
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,840
So it's not it's a very intelligent imp, but the

947
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,159
imp is also ridiculous and stupid at the same time.

948
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:29,800
I thought that was a fascinating way to describe Satan

949
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,039
right as both on the one hand, extremely intelligent but

950
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:37,520
also at the same time extremely barbaric and brutish and

951
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,800
stupid in a weird way. Somehow that works together anyway,

952
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:45,760
So I think I hit all the main themes that

953
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:51,880
I wanted to get to. There is we're halfway. We're

954
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,439
halfway through part two, so we're gonna have to stop

955
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,279
here compatitialism and free will they end up having a

956
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,600
oh the next part that it moves to a physical battle, right,

957
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,079
So Ransom realizes that he wasn't just brought there to

958
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:09,840
have a debate with the demon that possesses Western, but

959
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,760
he's also now he's gonna have to engage in an

960
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,359
actual battle, and he's gonna have to be downloaded with

961
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,760
like Matrix style moves like Neo does. I'm not joking,

962
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,439
Like literally, he gets like the Angelic forces basically download

963
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:30,880
into him all of these different like powers like Neo has,

964
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,680
you know, Karate and whatever downloaded to his consciousness. So

965
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,920
the angels give you know, Western the operating program of

966
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,600
karate dot ex jujitsu dot ex. It's fascinating right the

967
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,640
way he plays with this and they engage in a

968
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:52,119
fierce combat on the backs of fish, skipping around on venus.

969
01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:56,039
So we'll stop there because that's the middle of part two.

970
01:13:57,039 --> 01:14:01,000
I think I hit everything I wanted to hit. And

971
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,319
remember in part three it's going to get really neat

972
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,680
because Part three will deal with the illuminate confirm. Now

973
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,840
we're going to move to Earth and it will become

974
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:19,640
this sort of conspiratorial dystopian story on Earth, and that apparently,

975
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,920
for whatever reason, throws a lot of people for a loop.

976
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,359
I'm going to touch on a couple of things here.

977
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,640
Part of what we helps to explain this is the

978
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,439
notion of the celestial spheres. If you're not familiar, this

979
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,079
is the ancient and medieval cosmological idea. A lot of

980
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:38,119
the Pythagoreans had this view. A lot of the Platonists

981
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:45,119
had this view that the planetary rulers that are out there,

982
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,960
they go in these circles, and the universe, they would think,

983
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:53,640
is a kind of musical instrument. View it like a

984
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:58,039
giant musical instrument or symphony that's going in a circular dance.

985
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:02,800
The circular dance is going to be very important for

986
01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:07,840
not just the neoplatonic circular dance, imagery of the cosmos

987
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,199
and of all the life, all the creatures on earth.

988
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:16,279
But it's also sung. It's musical. Keep this in mind.

989
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:21,399
The universe is being sung into existence. Notes are being

990
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:26,159
played that give reality or the forms their existence out

991
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:29,880
of potentiality into reality. So it's like, yeah, the word

992
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,880
is spoken. The logo speaks reality into being. But it's

993
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:39,000
not just a monotone Benstein's money speaking of reality into being.

994
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:43,640
It's speaking it in a singing way into reality. Where

995
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:49,159
do we see this Magician's nephew? In Magician's Nephew, how

996
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:53,680
does Aslin create a Narnia? He sings it into existence?

997
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:01,920
And so the orbits of the planets we're thought to

998
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:05,439
have let me find the old ancient view of this

999
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:12,000
in their spheres and their courses. The idea was that

1000
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:16,520
there were notes associated with them. See I think so

1001
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,319
it comes up in the Timaeus the sphere. Yeah, it

1002
01:16:19,399 --> 01:16:24,600
is the most the best form. I particularly want to

1003
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:31,119
get to the idea of being notes. If you have

1004
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,800
order is it. If you have this book, it comes

1005
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,119
up in the quad driven. It comes up in quadrivene

1006
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:46,800
as well. Right, you get towards the end of the

1007
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,000
book and it will talk about the notes in the

1008
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:55,880
celestial spheres and the idea here being the universe is

1009
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,119
not just a giant clock, right, And you can see

1010
01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:01,680
like the movement of the planets and their orbit and

1011
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,560
all that. It's kind of like the ticking of a

1012
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:08,359
big clock. Right, But it's not just that. It's also

1013
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,680
a big instrument. So maybe it's both. Maybe it's a

1014
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,920
clock instrument. And there were there were some Renaissance people

1015
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:19,119
who had what is the name of that big somebody

1016
01:17:19,159 --> 01:17:22,920
invented a big goofy machine. And I referenced in the

1017
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:27,239
David Lynch analysis that we did what was that thing called?

1018
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:29,439
Does an I remember the musical instrument as supposed to

1019
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:38,319
be like a representation of the universe. Let's see Renaissance

1020
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:58,840
neoplatonic musical instrument pipes. Yes, now here is one of

1021
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,960
the papers that I read. I can't believe this came up.

1022
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:06,199
If you want more into this topic, I read this

1023
01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:11,880
paper ten years ago when I was researching this neoplatonic

1024
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,000
and Phagoryan notions of world harmony and unity and their

1025
01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:17,680
influence on Renaissance dance theory. He said, why would that

1026
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,279
be relevant? Because the universe is a big dance. It's

1027
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:27,359
the dance of the created order around the sun being

1028
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,159
representing God or the Logos in the center, and then

1029
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:35,720
everything else right having its dance around that or around Earth.

1030
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,680
It doesn't matter which cosmological model you accept, that's not

1031
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,640
the point. But what is the name of that instrument?

1032
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:43,920
Do you guys know what I'm talking about? It's like

1033
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:56,239
a weird It's in my book, yes, so let me

1034
01:18:57,119 --> 01:19:03,560
find that. Bear with me. It's worth it because it's

1035
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:08,600
in my chapter on season three of Twin Peaks. Yes,

1036
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:15,560
here we go, Robert Flood. What do you know? Who

1037
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:20,520
did I pull up? Robert Flood? See, I know what

1038
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,640
I'm talking about, Like, I'm onto something with this right.

1039
01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:26,359
So again, if you can get a hold of this paper,

1040
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,920
not this paper, where did it go? Renaissance dance theory

1041
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,880
and neoplatonic world models, that will help you understand what

1042
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:46,079
I'm getting at. I don't want Google images Robert Flood's

1043
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:52,079
temple of music. That's what I'm looking for. And remember

1044
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:01,000
in Lewis's in it Prince Caspian. Caspian's two is Flood?

1045
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:17,760
Isn't that right? Am I right? Is it Caspians tutor?

1046
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:26,279
Or is it am I think? Am I mixing it

1047
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:27,960
up with the boy and his Horse? I get the

1048
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,760
two stories mixed up sometimes because it's been several years

1049
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,159
since I read the Narnia. Do you guys remember can

1050
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:40,199
somebody in the chat remind me if is it tutor?

1051
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,119
That's not for sure? It had to be doctor Cornelius

1052
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:48,119
that's it. Maybe it's not Flood Or is it Flood

1053
01:20:48,520 --> 01:21:03,159
doctor Cornelius? Who is doctor Cornelius? That's it? What's his

1054
01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:07,720
last name? Maybe I'm wrong and it's not Flood, it's Agrippa.

1055
01:21:15,039 --> 01:21:18,159
Does it say Cornelius is last name at any point?

1056
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:30,239
Because if it's not, maybe he may have been referencing

1057
01:21:30,279 --> 01:21:38,640
Cornelius Agrippa. I'm not gonna read all that, okay. Whether

1058
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,920
it's Robert Flood or Cornelius Agrippa doesn't really matter because

1059
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,800
it still makes the same point about Renaissance majish type stuff.

1060
01:21:48,039 --> 01:21:51,000
Temple of Music by Robert Flood as a mnemonic device.

1061
01:21:52,880 --> 01:22:03,479
So it's this thing here, and you'll notice up there. Thus,

1062
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:06,680
what's supposed to be like the celestial spheres. I don't

1063
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,880
know what's all going down what kind of party is

1064
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,600
going on down there at the bottom of this thing.

1065
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:22,800
But I just want a basic rundown. I don't need

1066
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:33,199
fifty academic papers. So I guess he had had a

1067
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:50,279
dream about this or something. Yeah, we know, music is

1068
01:22:50,800 --> 01:23:09,640
number of mysticism, I know, I know. Let's see what

1069
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:18,119
this guy says. Okay, so Flood had an interest in Yeah, macrocosm, macrocosm,

1070
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,439
all the stuff that you know. So here's this big thing.

1071
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,439
Look at this wild thing. And apparently he had a

1072
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,840
dream about this. Right, So this I'm assuming it's like

1073
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,239
celestial spheres and whatnot. The rest of this have no

1074
01:23:32,319 --> 01:23:34,520
idea what this is. I mean, it's obviously musical notes

1075
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:40,199
and instruments, but I mean, he got like super crazy

1076
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:46,760
with this thing. The Temple attempts to synthesize his musical theory,

1077
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,760
focusing on the use of consonants and dissonance in rhythmic proportions.

1078
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,399
Flood explained that if you examine keenly the parts of

1079
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:54,279
the temple, you will have a share in its mysteries.

1080
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:58,720
An extremely experienced master in this knowledge, so it's a

1081
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,359
mnemonic device for music music theory. The symbols are all

1082
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:10,720
allegories from the temple, referencing Apollo or Pythagoras, and the

1083
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,000
images are also supposed to have a relationship to the

1084
01:24:13,079 --> 01:24:15,399
memory palace. I'm sure you know what a memory palace is.

1085
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:21,640
But it's supposed to also relate to the neoplatonic idea

1086
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,119
that the universe is basically sung into existence. But anyway,

1087
01:24:25,239 --> 01:24:27,079
I can't find anything on that right now, but that

1088
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,399
Renaissance dance theory paper that I mentioned does talk about it.

1089
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,359
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1093
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1094
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If your gut is messed up, if it's weird, if

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1096
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have weird guts, not just in shape but also in process.

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1134
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rather than monistic or diaddic. Yeah. So this is covered

1135
01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:36,760
in Vladimir Lawski's book Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church.

1136
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,000
In the chapter on the Trinity, he goes into restating

1137
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the arguments from Maximus and Gregory, Nazi a Zeus, Gregory,

1138
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,159
Andissa as to why this is the case. It's covered

1139
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:50,359
in different places in Saint Maximus, but specifically in a

1140
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:54,479
couple of the Questions and Doubts. So if you read

1141
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Questions of Doubts, you'll see a couple instances there. I

1142
01:27:58,159 --> 01:27:59,720
don't remember which one they are because I don't have

1143
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,079
the book confront of me, but it comes up in

1144
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:07,039
the AMBIGUITA. The first Ambiguit deals with this. But the

1145
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:14,079
easiest readable explanation isn't in Maximus. It's just in Lasky's

1146
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,359
summary of this in the chapter on the Trinity and

1147
01:28:18,039 --> 01:28:21,520
Mystical Theology the Eastern Church. But he's just pulling it

1148
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:33,439
from Maximus and Gregory nazianzas gone learn learn them? Can

1149
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,000
you do it? Jordan Peters's impression talking about Funko.

1150
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 12: Pops, Well, you know, my father was always into funco pops,

1151
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,359
and you know it's something that deep dome if you,

1152
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,920
if you, if you think about it, deep don't in

1153
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,720
your soul. We're all one kind of funkl pup. Perhaps

1154
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,880
Charles Manson's another kind of funk pup.

1155
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:56,039
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1156
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Speaker 12: I don't know, No, I don't know.

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01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 6: But it could be that was really dumb. I know

1158
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:06,640
I'm tired, so my mind is not old here today

1159
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:12,680
it's mush. I got up early for an interview, which

1160
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,920
I was happy to do, but man, it was early,

1161
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,640
and then I had to drink coffee to do the

1162
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,399
interview because it was too early. I'm not a morning person.

1163
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:24,840
I will never be a morning person. And then I

1164
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:29,000
couldn't go to sleep. So my mind is mush. So

1165
01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:34,399
nobody should do morning interviews. But you don't want to

1166
01:29:34,399 --> 01:29:40,039
say no, no, Old or Apologist sixty dollars fat super

1167
01:29:40,119 --> 01:29:43,000
chat making it all worth it, so much, so much

1168
01:29:43,079 --> 01:29:46,920
love for you. Look at sixty love points, guys, you

1169
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,880
want to show your love super chatty baby, and I felt, Look,

1170
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,920
I did try to sleep. So my hair is all

1171
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,359
screwed up. It's got like a wispy twirl, which makes

1172
01:29:57,399 --> 01:30:02,800
me look like a freaking weirdo dude, so bent once again,

1173
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,239
Ben Swann beat me on hair this week. But hey,

1174
01:30:05,319 --> 01:30:09,399
maybe next week I'll come back with with hair that's

1175
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,399
to die for. An old or Apologist says, this is

1176
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,479
going to be good. I've been waiting for this one. Yes,

1177
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,319
this was a long one in the mix, right, We've

1178
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:23,439
been waiting a long time to do this. Hopefully, if

1179
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,399
we get a good enough feedback. If I get enough

1180
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,479
super chats love points, I'll do more. I mean, I

1181
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,359
got stacks of lit, dude, I could. I can ramble

1182
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,960
on about lit just as much as long as we

1183
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:41,000
can about movies, but nobody reads books anymore. But now

1184
01:30:41,079 --> 01:30:44,680
that movies are turning to pure garbage, maybe people will

1185
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,359
start reading books again. I don't know, we'll see, but

1186
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,239
I mean we could do. I was pulling out some

1187
01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:55,279
other books that remind that I was reminded of reading

1188
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,359
the Space Trilogy, and there's obvious ones, right. I mean,

1189
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,079
it's a lot like nineteen eighty four in ways, except again,

1190
01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:10,000
Orwell's book just leaves you feeling hopeless, right, I mean,

1191
01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:13,680
there's nothing Christian about Orwell's book, even though it's amazingly

1192
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:19,159
prophetic and accurate. Foundation. I mean, Foundation is interesting and

1193
01:31:19,239 --> 01:31:21,520
predictive in certain ways. But I mean this is just

1194
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,159
like pure sullyance, Like this is like the soyboy sci fi. Right,

1195
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,239
I've not watched the TV show Foundation. I kind of

1196
01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:36,640
enjoyed this book. I didn't enjoy Foundation enough to keep

1197
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,119
reading the Foundation series, so it was kind of boring

1198
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:43,039
to me, believe it or not, I don't know. I

1199
01:31:43,119 --> 01:31:44,760
know there's a lot of people who would hate this,

1200
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:48,039
but Ann Rand actually has a decent sci fi story.

1201
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:53,520
Dystobea story. Anthem is a good sci fi story. If

1202
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,439
you've not read Anthem, I recommend it's pretty good. Now, yeah,

1203
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:00,319
it's going to be tainted with the goofy kind of

1204
01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:06,359
libertarian ethos stuff. I'm not saying I like everything about

1205
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,720
I don't like everything about and these stories they have

1206
01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:14,199
different reasons why they're good. But Anthem is. I thought

1207
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:17,239
it was a pretty good dystopia story. And I'm not

1208
01:32:17,319 --> 01:32:21,640
the hugest, biggest an Ran fan, but but Anthem is

1209
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,079
pretty good. But you can make that decision if you

1210
01:32:25,159 --> 01:32:28,039
want Brave New World. Everybody knows about Brave New World.

1211
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I mean, just think about the contrast of these various dystopias.

1212
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:37,279
I mean, again, another hopeless story, right, Huxley's dystopia is

1213
01:32:37,319 --> 01:32:42,560
completely hopeless, nineteen eighty four a completely hopeless. Ann Rand's

1214
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,560
dystopia is not hopeless. But it's like, oh, the hope

1215
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,319
is the power of reason? Come on, dude, really, I

1216
01:32:50,399 --> 01:32:53,880
mean that's the very thing that Weston represents right as

1217
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,880
a mov's. I mean, it's not really a dystopia. But

1218
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,840
other than the predictive elements. I don't really see much

1219
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,880
value and foundation, right.

1220
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Speaker 11: So.

1221
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 6: It's unique, right, Christian dystopia literature not a genre that

1222
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,520
really took off. But thank you so much, Noldor. I

1223
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,399
appreciate the big fat super chet DP ten dollars. Thank

1224
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,520
you for helping me in my journey to becoming orthodox.

1225
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,239
Hey many years awesome. Glad to hear that shout out

1226
01:33:26,279 --> 01:33:29,439
to DP much appreciate that super chat dog. Frankie D

1227
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,479
ten dollars. I'm gonna miss most of this show in

1228
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:39,239
airplane mode. He's probably not even on a plane. He

1229
01:33:39,359 --> 01:33:42,760
just wanted to say, I am intentionally putting my phone

1230
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,319
into airplane mode to miss your show. I'm just joking.

1231
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:47,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

1232
01:33:47,359 --> 01:33:52,239
Speaker 6: The wibble wobble, the wibi flob, the wibble flebbies were

1233
01:33:52,279 --> 01:33:57,399
pretty funny. Thank you. I've made fun of stupid British

1234
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:01,079
slang in terminology for a long time. So we're gonna

1235
01:34:01,119 --> 01:34:02,880
coast and milk that one as much as we can.

1236
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:07,640
Frankie D. Five dollars. Is interesting that the esoteristis describe

1237
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:12,680
the spiritual realm, but they are aligned with evil, right,

1238
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,039
But a lot of them don't know that, right. They

1239
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:17,960
don't they they're deluded, so they many of them think

1240
01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:20,840
that they're doing good or they justified or whatever. So

1241
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,479
that's the power of delusion, is that we can actually believe.

1242
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,239
Are you know that, well, I'm doing good, I'm not

1243
01:34:25,319 --> 01:34:28,039
doing evil? And you know you might not even know

1244
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,760
that you're that evil. Right, that's the power of delusions.

1245
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:35,640
I've encountered various mythologies and noticed that there's a common theme.

1246
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,399
They seem to be the story of the cosmos from

1247
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,760
the perspective of the fallen Yes, that is correct. I

1248
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:45,840
think typically Gnostic stories, the Gnostic mythology and ethos, which

1249
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,800
people who follow my channel, my books, we've covered this

1250
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:54,039
many many times for countless sign for years. Hollywood typically

1251
01:34:54,199 --> 01:34:59,520
represents the Gnostic story, right, the bumbling goofy idiotic creator

1252
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:04,399
did who's removed and useless to the creation. There's the

1253
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:09,399
rebellious hero, anarchic figure, the Lucifer character who's the hero

1254
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,520
of the Savior who fights against the bumbling creator, Roy

1255
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:19,359
Batty Tyrrell. Right, how often do we see that Gnostic

1256
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,520
version of the story all the time? And so I

1257
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,560
think you're totally right, Frankie d. And it's a point

1258
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,279
that I've made for at least ten to fifteen years.

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Son of Tia, my ten dollars? Can you recommend fantasy?

1260
01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:35,319
I mean, I'm not a big fantasy person. I mean,

1261
01:35:35,399 --> 01:35:38,520
let's be honest, most of this fantasy crap is like

1262
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,439
fake and gray, totally right. I mean, who's that one

1263
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,399
woman that was remember the woman connected to the serial

1264
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,880
killers the Mists of Avalon woman and her daughter. Her

1265
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,640
daughter became a Christian and said, that's all a bunch

1266
01:35:51,680 --> 01:36:02,119
of pedos. So I mean there are some good fantasies

1267
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:08,560
novels and writers, I guess, but good fantasy writers. I mean,

1268
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,000
I think Philip K. Dick is great in various ways,

1269
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but he's very gnostic in his cosmology for sure. I

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do intend, by the way, to do this same type

1271
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:20,039
of analysis that we're doing right here. I'd like to

1272
01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:24,680
do that with Philip K. Dick's stories too, So, but

1273
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that's not fantasy fantasy fantasy. I mean, I can remember

1274
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fantasy novels that I liked when I was a teenager,

1275
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and in ways they were interesting and fun. But most

1276
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:51,800
fantasy stories typically tend to be seeded with pagan ideas

1277
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:58,159
and really stupid stuff like remember I remember just immersing

1278
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:00,640
myself in Terry Brooks and the sort of in that

1279
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,720
whole series, And although I enjoyed it, I felt like

1280
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this is really just a copy of Tolkien. I mean,

1281
01:37:06,399 --> 01:37:08,520
it's like all the fantasy writers just sort of copying

1282
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:13,079
Tolkien in various ways. And then I remember trying to

1283
01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:15,560
read Maryan Zimmer Bradley and I was just like, this

1284
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,920
is terrible. This is just a bunch of feminist witch crap,

1285
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:25,359
which crap, not just witchcraft, but which crap. So, I mean, no,

1286
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,800
most fantasy is just garbage. Dude, I don't know what

1287
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,920
to tell you. I'm sorry. I'm sure there's plenty of

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01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,159
good Christian fantasy writers out there. I just don't know

1289
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:36,600
who they are, so I can't. I mean, other than

1290
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:40,520
like Tolkien and Lewis, I just, off the top of

1291
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:44,640
my head, just don't know. Frankie D five dollars. The

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01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:48,800
story of Zeus borrows from the overthrowing of the Father

1293
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,880
and becoming the new God. Yes, it's correct. The theme

1294
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:57,960
of imparting knowledge to humans, yeah Prometheus. Yeah. You then

1295
01:37:58,039 --> 01:38:00,960
say Prometheus exactly is portrayed as the one who saves

1296
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:04,680
and illuminates humans. Yes, exactly. These are these are all Yeah,

1297
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:12,720
clearly you know Lucifer Satan derivations, thoughts of a pilgrim.

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Five dollars. Thank you for doing this. The story needs

1299
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:21,840
more coverage. Yes, this is overlooked. I guess because it's Christian.

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I mean the themes are more Christian than Narnia. That

1301
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,640
would be my guess as to why many people have

1302
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,560
not been told about the Space trilogy, or it's it's overlooked,

1303
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,720
or Narnia is just so popular that people just forget

1304
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,560
about it. But it is good, it's it is different.

1305
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,720
I will say it's it's not what I expected. I

1306
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,039
thought it would be like Narnia in Space, and it's not.

1307
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:53,840
That it's more serious and more sophisticated. Which is not

1308
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,920
to say that I dislike Narnia. I like the I

1309
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:04,439
like it a lot, but it's it's adult is not

1310
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:10,439
the right word. It's just more sophisticated. Gay lord folk

1311
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:14,920
or one dollar yoh. Was the Orthodox position of foreign

1312
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,920
knowledge and predestination that they are compatible. So how that

1313
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:20,840
is we don't know, but is revealed to be so.

1314
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:25,039
The Calvinist position is gnostic. Thus, I am curious what

1315
01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:27,920
the Eastern view of those passages is well, we affirm

1316
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,520
both things right. Scripture says, on the one hand, God

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01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:35,239
is sovereign, his foreign knowledge and providence extends to everything,

1318
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,479
and yet humans do have free will. And for Orthodox

1319
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,079
we just simply accept that there is a compatible position there.

1320
01:39:42,119 --> 01:39:45,439
Somehow they work together. How we don't know. We don't

1321
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,479
know the mechanics of that, because it just simply is

1322
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,920
beyond human comprehension. And that actually comes up in I

1323
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:57,000
think what chapter nine or ten of Peril Undra and

1324
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,520
Seious Lewis basically gives the Orthodox view balance tis wonderful stream.

1325
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,520
I went to a Funko pop free bookstore. I'm sorry,

1326
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,159
why did you even go in there? Oh, a Funko

1327
01:40:07,239 --> 01:40:09,119
pop free bookstore. I thought you meant like you were

1328
01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:13,000
getting them free. Like, dude, if your bookstore is giving

1329
01:40:13,039 --> 01:40:16,840
out Funko pops free, it's over. But you're saying that

1330
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,039
this book store had no Funko pops. Hey, thank god

1331
01:40:20,079 --> 01:40:24,359
for that. I found David Rockfeller's memoirs. Yes, do you

1332
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:32,159
have videos dedicated to this book? Two of the one

1333
01:40:32,279 --> 01:40:36,239
of the Alex fourth Hours was dedicated to that book.

1334
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,520
I don't have one on my YouTube channel that I

1335
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,159
can recall. Dedicated to that book. No, but there is

1336
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:46,319
one of the hours of the fourth Hour of AJ

1337
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:50,960
that is the memoirs, or largely pulls from them. Frankie

1338
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d five dollars. This sounds a lot like the Lord

1339
01:40:53,560 --> 01:41:02,239
Valdemort Mythos when he was on Joe Rogan. It kind

1340
01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:07,840
of is. Yeah, I mean, I have no idea if

1341
01:41:08,359 --> 01:41:11,800
Alex has read Swiss Space Trilogy. He could have, I

1342
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:16,279
don't know, but now that you mention it, it does

1343
01:41:16,399 --> 01:41:19,720
kind of sound like that. Yeah. Interesting, the force of

1344
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,640
good and evil God moving in a certain direction. I

1345
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,479
can't remember all of it. Yeah, I don't remember all

1346
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:29,279
of it either. I listened to all of that and

1347
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:33,359
the second one, so I know we did a boiler

1348
01:41:33,399 --> 01:41:35,279
room I think around the time when that happened, because

1349
01:41:35,319 --> 01:41:37,640
it was, you know, just a huge podcast. It's like

1350
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:43,000
the biggest podcast of the time most views. And well

1351
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:45,119
I should do like a I should just do like

1352
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:48,159
a five hour rock fin live stream of that whole podcast.

1353
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:52,640
But yeah, I see the connection there. I didn't think

1354
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,119
about that, but I think you're right there. Maybe Alex

1355
01:41:56,199 --> 01:42:00,800
has read parlonger Panel Coasts three dollars on the Angelic

1356
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,920
Notes Byzantine Chant is inherited by the ancient Greek music

1357
01:42:05,279 --> 01:42:10,079
musical system for first formulator by Pythagoras. Yes, exactly, Thank

1358
01:42:10,119 --> 01:42:18,199
you so much, Cosmos Panos Cosmotos, Pano costros right, who directed?

1359
01:42:19,279 --> 01:42:27,399
Are you the director of Mandy and I'm joking? Yeah,

1360
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:32,039
So Pano is backing up that Byzantine chant has the

1361
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:38,439
same derivation of the Pythagorean model of the notes connected

1362
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:42,920
to the celestial spheres. John Damascus recast this into our

1363
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,880
eight tone system. Wow, I did not know that, and

1364
01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:51,800
it clostically closely mimics what's supposed to be the angelic chorus. Wow, awesome.

1365
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,840
Thank you so much, Pano, because I was actually floundering

1366
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,600
there and I couldn't find what I was looking for

1367
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,880
in terms of the the celestial spheres. That helps me

1368
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,720
a lot there, Thank you so much. And then Pino

1369
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:08,000
says again for two dollars, the eight tiered loopable system

1370
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:12,880
is reflected mathematically in harmonic series. In the harmonic series,

1371
01:43:14,039 --> 01:43:17,279
this is really freaking cool. Didn't Plato describe the forms

1372
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:20,399
like this too? Yeah, so the Tamayi speaks that way,

1373
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:30,840
So yes, Rossi, Ross Roscoe, Pico train. By the way,

1374
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,560
that's a good Roscoe, wasn't it. What is your take

1375
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,720
on Gurjev. I think he's just a kind of a perennialist,

1376
01:43:38,359 --> 01:43:40,760
a new ag guy who sort of cobbled together a

1377
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,920
bunch of different things in a kind of hodgepodge. So

1378
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,399
I don't have I'm not too I'm not into Gurjeaf.

1379
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,560
Is he not a legitimate spiritual source. I think that

1380
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,840
any of the perennialists, any of those people have insights.

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I mean, I've got on my bookshelf, I've got shoe

1382
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on Gerdieff, and I don't have Gurgeff, excuse me, shoe

1383
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on gn On Evil.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I've got more perennials up there, so Charles Upton, they're insightful,

1386
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But I don't think any of those perennials people really

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gets the main point, which is Christ. I mean, that's

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the that's the key thing for us, right, So I

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mean you can have all kinds of insights from people

1390
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like that, just like you can have all kinds of

1391
01:44:38,279 --> 01:44:41,520
insights in neo platonists, But if they're missing the key thing,

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which is Christ, then it's kind of like you're you're

1393
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missing the point, right. But thank you for that question,

1394
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Ruscoe Pico train. All right, Part two. Remember, if you

1395
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:58,560
want to see part two, head on over to Jason

1396
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,800
Allisis and you can subscribe there. It will not be

1397
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up tonight. It will be a couple of days. I'm

1398
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still working through finishing the Space trilogy, and then i'll

1399
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have the final talk where we'll cover the rest of Parlandra,

1400
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and then we'll get into what I think is really fascinating,

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that hideous strength, the one that everybody says, what is

1402
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:23,159
this about? It's obvious what it's about. And if you

1403
01:45:23,279 --> 01:45:26,000
know about you know, the conspiracy element of what's really

1404
01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:27,359
going on in the world, If you know about my

1405
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:31,119
enthusianism and so forth, then it's obvious what the third

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01:45:31,159 --> 01:45:31,720
one is about.

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Speaker 10: And C. S.

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Speaker 6: Lewis, I think is clearly telling us that. So look

1409
01:45:36,119 --> 01:45:38,520
for that in the next week. It may take me

1410
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,640
a full week to do the part two. Don't message me,

1411
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:45,439
email me win's part two. Where's Part two? Okay, I'm

1412
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:48,720
telling you right now, it's gonna be a while. Every

1413
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,279
time I do this winds it up. I'll get a

1414
01:45:51,319 --> 01:45:54,279
message tonight it's Part two up. Don't message me about

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01:45:54,319 --> 01:45:59,560
part two. It will come, I promise you. Diet so

1416
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to five dollars. I'm just finishing the excellent on the

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01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:06,720
Human Condition by Saint Basil. Would you do a stream

1418
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on this? You know, I don't think i've read that.

1419
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We did a live stream two years ago on most

1420
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:18,199
of Basil's stuff, where I did on the Holy Spirit,

1421
01:46:18,359 --> 01:46:27,520
I did against Unomius by Basil. We did all of

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01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:32,119
the key letters, or most of the key letters, but

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01:46:32,239 --> 01:46:35,800
that's just what's in the shaft set, except well, against

1424
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:37,680
Unomius is not in the chaft set. That's the c

1425
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,760
UA press. So but now, I don't think I've actually

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01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:45,039
read that, unless it's like homilies or it's actually selections

1427
01:46:45,079 --> 01:46:48,079
of the letters. So if it's its own work, I've

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01:46:48,119 --> 01:46:50,359
not read it, but it would be a good idea.

1429
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:55,119
I haven't been back visited to Saint Basil since what

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like two summers ago, so maybe it would be a

1431
01:46:57,399 --> 01:46:59,359
good idea to revisit Saint Basil. All right, thank you

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guys so much. Everybody. I hope you enjoyed this. Please

1433
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,640
hit like and share a comment below, tell me what

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01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:06,359
you think, tell me what I missed, And again I

1435
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,399
did yes, because there will be fifty nerds coming on

1436
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:13,800
here telling me that I got Flood wrong. It's Agrippa.

1437
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Excuse me, Doctor Cornelius is probably Cornelius Agrippa. It's not

1438
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Robert Flood. But Robert Flood is the guy who came

1439
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:27,439
up with the universe being a musical instrument thing, musical

1440
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:32,000
temple or whatever, and asline sings creation into existence. So

1441
01:47:32,359 --> 01:47:36,039
I'm not off on that. That's the Renaissance Platonic Pythagorean

1442
01:47:36,079 --> 01:47:39,079
theory that Pina was talking about. So I was basically right,

1443
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:43,359
but sometimes sometimes I get details wrong. Guys, okay, and

1444
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,920
guess what everybody does. You don't have to correct me.

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In fifty comments.

1446
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Speaker 2: We got an exposed.

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Speaker 6: He has no clue what he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: He got something wrong, got him. We got