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Speaker 6: All right, what's up? Welcome everybody. It's been a while
since we have done literary analysis, so I'm much more subdued,
and it's going to be a lot softer as we
get into the literary analysis the Space trilogy. Have you
read the Space Trilogy? What do you think of it?
I'm enjoying it. I'm almost done, and so today's installment
will be the first book and halfway through Perilandra, and
we're going to get into the symbolism, the allegory, the
deep stuff. It's gonna be like a classic esoteric Hollywood
Jay's analysis style analysis. We haven't done one of those
in a long time, so I'm going back to my roots.
But I'm not gonna do that stupid In pr voice,
I was trying to remember which.
Speaker 11: C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis story it is. Where is it Prince Caspian that
his court esoteric teacher is Flood, and I think that
Lewis was probably intentionally borrowing from Robert Flood the esotericist right.
And you'll notice that throughout Lewis, as we will see today,
he intentionally chooses quite a few esoteric names to sprinkle
in his lit. And as we're gonna see, the Space
Trilogy will be a Christian dystopia, Christian themed dystopia, a
subtle Christian themed dystopia, not many of those. I can't
hardly think of any. So it's unique in what it is.
And I think because it has these Christian redemptive themes,
that's probably why it hasn't been made into a movie.
You know Narnia. I mean Narnia has you know, Christian
themes as well. But Lewis I think, described his style
here as veiled theology, and so certainly Narnia is the
same thing. And to me they count as allegory. Remember
that allegory is a classic style of telling a story
through symbolism. Different types of elements within the story represent people, places, things,
events in other stories or in reality. We know from
Galatians four or that Paul uses the events of Abraham
and Sarah's life as an allegory for the church. So
allegory is a classic style of telling veiled meanings, messages,
et cetera through this literary device, and certainly Lewis is
engaging in this to a degree. People debate Tolkien. I
grew up reading Tolkien. I love Lord of the Rings,
some of the first stuff I ever started reading at length.
And I know that there's a lot of theories. I'm
not really interested in getting into the theories on debating
who meant what and what exactly you know this meant
and who's right. And because a lot of people think, oh,
he was borrowing from Norse mythology at us, et cetera,
so those do not engage in a lot of allegory.
Norse mythology is intended to be kind of surface level.
It's intended to be what it is. I did have
grad classes on this, so I'm not speaking out of
my butt. I'm just going with what my grad lit
professor said. So I don't really care if you disagree.
You can have your own opinions. It doesn't bother me.
And I don't really care what the true nerd dogma
on Lord of the Rings is. So if you don't
think that it's an allegory, that's fine, and I don't care.
I do think that it is a veiled Christian allegory,
and in fact, I'd still pretty much agree with my
analysis that I had on my TV show. We did
two episodes, if you guys remember, on Lord of the Rings.
My analysis was that Tolkien had seen, you know, World
War One, and he was looking to the potential dangers
of more wars in the future, and what world wars
would do if a technocratic my set was in place.
And so the Ring and the surveillance, the Pallanteer Stone,
all these things, right, They're emblematic of the magic of technology,
technology as a kind of magical power that gives all
of these promises and yet then ends up enslaving man.
And so they are allegories for the emerging dystopia, both
of them. I believe that both Lord of the Rings
and the Space Trilogy are essentially allegories for the same things. Now,
Lord of the Rings is a fantasy story. It's not
a sci fi dystopia, but it's a fantasy story with
clearly Christian imagery themes and borrowing from mythology as well.
And I think that it's the perfect balance of that.
That's why people find Tolkiens so engaging and appealing, because
it was the right literary balance of Christian themes with
ancient mythology that also has meaning for our century and
well the last century and where we're going, because we're
going into the Mordor world, and the races busy fighting
each other don't understand that they have a common enemy
who is souron himself. And I know Sauron works for
a higher level fallen demon. I know all that. This
isn't about nerd dogma of who gets the orthodoxy of
the Lord of the Rings, right, I know it's in
the seemlar Alion, So yeah, I know about all that. Anyway. Now,
the reason I say all that is that you have
to understand that out of the Silent Planet, that the
main character in our first of the Space trilogy, Ransom,
is based on Tolkien. Tolkien the philologist, going into the
meanings of these words, the Middle English, the Old English,
how it derives from these various Germanic and Nordic and whatever,
all these all these different origins of the terms that
led him to the fascination with the mythology, and then
putting the mythology in a veiled theological treatise, and so
I view all of these really as again veiled theologies.
And that's when when that's the description Lewis himself gives
of this, someone wrote a letter to him and he said,
I call it veiled theology. And the academics will point
out that Out of the Silent Planet was written right
around the time when he was really adopting Christianity, but
it wasn't totally public. He wasn't like full on people.
It wasn't people weren't really sure. You know, he didn't
have his he didn't have his Instagram updated that day,
so people weren't exactly sure what his religious views were.
And he had had so many interactions with fellow academics
who were both esotericists and atheists, immterialists, and even transhumanists,
and so we're going to see the atheist, transum umanist,
dystopian themes in the Space Trilogy very clearly. To the
extent that I was watching some other professors lectures on
YouTube about this trilogy and I was surprised at how
many of these dumb dums don't know what the third
one is about. Oh, I don't know this Third One.
I don't get it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 12: What's the turn one of us?
Speaker 6: It's weird, it's different. That's because it's about transhumanism and
the illuminating firm. Dummy, like, how do you not know this? Okay,
all of the people that are it's talking about the
great reset, It's talking about the people in the upper class,
the Malthusian elite that obviously C. S. Lewis was aware of,
that Tolkien was aware of because they were in these circles.
Of course they knew what bertrand Russell said. Of course
they knew what Malthusianism was. And so how is it
not obvious to you what the meaning of the Third
Book is? And how would you not recognize that it
predicted the Malthusian technocratic dystopia. I mean, this is the
meaning of the figure of Weston. Professor. Weston is the
atheistic materials professor who becomes possessed, becomes a demoniac, and
his cohort, Divine, ends up being the villain of the
Third One. And what happens what does he become? He
becomes lord, not Weston but Divine. Why would he become lord?
Because Lewis is telling you how the world really works.
You see, for those of us that you have spent
many years doing deep geopolitical analysis, deep history of all
this stuff, we can recognize the continuity of the agenda
from the time of HG. Wells, Versaron Russell, royal Society,
etcetera up till now with the great reset and full
one continuity in the writings of the present a elite
structure to fulfill this same agenda. And this is what
Lewis is telling you about. This is, as we pointed
out many times, something about fiction. Fiction has the ability
to be prophetic. Books can be prophetic. We pointed this
out with Darsievsky. Dolcievsky has prophetic novels and stories and events.
He predicts the communist socialist genocide of the Bolsheviks and
Sovietism to what fifteen twenty years beforehand, and possessed many, many,
many fiction writings have the ability to predict the future.
Now it's not all crystal ball stuff. I think that
being in the circles of you know, learned men, being
in the circles of royal society type people, being in
the circles of you know, the apex of the Darwinian Ethos, Oxford, Cambridge, right,
these elite British institutions, they were exposed to the Malthewsian mindset.
It's dominant amongst that class. It's still dominant amongst the
elite class globally speaking. And in fact, that makes these
books all the more relevant because that mindset, that attitude
is more globally accepted than it was in his day,
or in Tolkien's day. And if you don't know, they
were part of the Inklings, and this was their little
society that they came up with to challenge each other,
to spur each other on to write different books. Right,
A lot of different movies about Tolkien's life, about C. S.
Lewis's life. Anthony Hopkins even played C. S. Lewis in
one of the adaptations, and they'll all include references to
the Inklings. Right now, there was another guy interesting that
most people don't mention. I just remember this, so I'll
have to look up his name? Is it Williams? Like
one of the dudes in the Inklings was in the
Golden Dawn. So I think some of the ritual elements
that seep into some of these stories, the ritual magic elements,
the ideas of neoplatonic magic, which actually will come up
explicitly in Out of the Silent Planet. My suspicion is
that they probably come not just from you know, C. S.
Lewis's own research in his own life, but from the
affiliation in the Inklings with the guy who was in
the Golan Dawn. So, and I apologize for not having
this ready because I just remembered that guy. And let
me see, it's one of these dudes here. Let's see
Charles Williams. That's him, I think. Yeah, now I've never
read Charles Williams, but I just remember coming across him
as a person very into the Golden Dawn and ritual magic.
And oh that's weird because he was part of the Inklings. Right,
Let's see if they mention it in here. But that's
not a surprising user. A lot of people in the
Church of England, right, I mean, they had already for
a long time being given over to these hermetic interests.
Christianity for them was probably a perennialist type of thing
where they didn't even see it as an actual religion
but rather to here we go. Yeah, So in nineteen
thirty one, an emphasis on platonic archetypes in his literature. Again,
I haven't read Charles Williams, so I can't speak to
his religion or excuse me, to his literature. But I
do want to show you what I'm talking about, because
I'm like ninety nine percent sure that he's the one
that was in the Golden Dawn. Yep, exactly. See, there's
even academic literature on this very topic. See there you go.
Told you I know what I'm talking about. I remember
my rememberings so Akling member Charles Williams, and I don't
know if he was there at the same time as Crowley,
but if you remember, Crowley eventually leaves the gold in
Dawn to start his magical Order. Now, I do not
believe that C. S. Lewis or Tolkien are evil occultists.
Some people get their panties in a bundle and get
all upset about this. I'm not a puritan. I don't
think there's anything wrong with using fantasy or science fiction
as a literary device to convey a meaning or a message. Again,
this is just what allegory is. Allegory is utilizing and
playing with images and symbols to construct a new version
of a story. Playing with the archetypes, right, So I
don't see magic inherently as a problem in literature, as
a literary device, as a kind of a maguffin or
something like that, right, And and Lewis's the way he
plays with it is interesting because he sees it as
a way to talk about the spiritual realm, or to
talk about what if we had a planet where the
fall hadn't occurred yet, or it's in a different time.
And you know, Venus has to undergo its Eden tempting situation, right,
which is of course what part two is about, right,
Parilandra is the Eden temptation on the planet of Venus,
because Venus hasn't been tempted yet that planet. And we're
gonna see again a lot of these esoteric neoplatonic themes.
And then the most surprising thing to me out of
the Silent Planet was the mention of the neoplatonic stuff
at the end. Again, I don't think it shouldn't be
that surprising, given the fact that the names that are
constantly drop in the literature is kind of weaving together
a thread for you to figure out where it's being
drawn from. And so if you didn't know about the
celestial spheres, if you didn't know about the neoplatonic hierarchical
view of the universe, if you didn't know about the
influence of Neoplatonism and Renaissance hermetic text, if you hadn't
studied Elizabethan usage of alchemy in Elizabethan literature, which I
did quite a bit in grad school. I know I've
written mini papers on that. You can all find them.
They're all public on my website. You'll know that they
love to play with this image of alchemy. Now, Lewis
and Tolkien would have been adamantly totally familiar with their
own English tradition. And for those that don't know, Shakespeare
wasn't the only person writing mystical esoteric plays and treatises. Okay,
you've got Spencer's Fairy Queen, which is a wild hermetic, alchemist,
neoplatonic myth of England. I mean it's very is crazy, right,
and it was supposed to be the aneid of the
British Empire, right, and so it is packed with just
all of this just outland, just wild neoplatonic magic, theurgy,
hermetic alchemy, imagery. And if you don't know Ben Johnson,
John Dunn. All of those guys from that period wrote
esoteric hermetic alchemical plays, poems, treatises all the time. This
period is dominated by this stuff. So I think what
Lewis and Tolkien are doing with and more so Lewis
in this regard than Tolkien, because Tolkien reaches back beyond
any of that stuff. He doesn't seem to have much
of an interest in that, more so reaching into ancient
myth going back to just straight up Greek mythology something
like that, right, Lewis seems to have more of an
interest in pulling from medieval neoplatonism. And that was the
weirdest part of Out of the Signment Planet is the
PostScript where Lewis himself, breaking a kind of fourth wall,
steps in to write a letter to Ransom.
Speaker 5: So C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis, the actual author of the book, writes a fictional
letter to Ransom based on Tolkien, which is pretty Again,
it's all fascinating, right, And there's these explanations that, oh,
you know, what you thought was a wild tale is
real because on other planets they have that they're teeming
with life. The universe is something more akin to a
medieval neoplatonic view. Of the universe as it is explained,
and they even mentioned some guy I don't remember if
I had the name of the person. I don't think
it's a real person, but I could be wrong, because
actually gave a name. They call him Nicholas somebody. Maybe it'supposed,
maybe it's a stand different Nicolas of Cusa. Maybe it's
just made up. I don't recall. But the emphasis is
on the fact that as a philologist, Ransom had discovered
in ancient texts that other medieval neoplatonists had seen or
had interacted with, these beings, these planetary rulers. So the
idea of planetary rulers or planetary sigils and symbols, right,
this is a classic Hermetic, ancient medieval alchemical notion that
for each of the planets they also have an angelic ruler.
And this, I mean, this isn't even foreign to the
Biblical cosmology either, right, if we've all read divine names,
if we're familiar with St. Dionysius and his cosmology the
celestial hierarchy, this is very amenable to the Orthodox view
in some respects as well, So we should all be
very familiar with this, especially given the angelic references and
structure in the Orthodox liturgy, in the Byzantine Liturgy, to
the powers thrown, principalities, dominions, et cetera, et cetera. So
Lewis wants to pull from that and talk about how
the ancient and medieval cosmology and its notions of an
angelic hierarchy, the nine choirs of the angels, that's the
real ordering of the universe, according to him. And it's
becomes really evident in the first novel because the main
villain there is Professor Weston, who is basically a mad scientist,
and Weston his whole goal is to spread dialectical materialism,
radical materialism to the universe, and so it becomes this
dominating attempt to a man, it's a materialist manifest destiny
to spread empiricist materialism imperialism to the whole universe. And
Lewis makes a point to you know, to stress that
this is actually destructive. It will destroy the worlds that
they take it to. So if you don't know, basically,
just summarize. I'm not going to repeat the whole story
to you. But in the first one you have this
Professor Ransom who is kidnapped drugged and taken to a
planet he doesn't know where. He's taken off in the
spaceship to a planet called Malacandra. And Malachandra is Mars,
and Mars has its own language, its own creatures, its
own beings. It's like hedgehog people, and you know, all
kinds of crazy stuff going on on Malachandra or Marsh.
And we find out that his kidnappers Weston and Divine.
Professor Weston is the radical atheistic materialist psycho. So basically
Birch and Russell. Okay, So Professor Weston, I wouldn't be
surprised if I mean Lewis knew about this, he knew
about the Malthusian mindset. He probably based it on Bert
and Russell. I mean, I don't know that. I'm just
saying that's who as I'm reading a story, that's who
comes to mind. Okay. So basically he's up there in
space with bertrand Russell, who has kidnapped him with this
other compatriot of his, this character named Divine, and Divine's
only motivations are great. He's heard that Mars has gold,
and his thinking is, you know, something like what we're
hearing from Bezos and Elon musk Oh, you know, we
will solve our resource problems when we get to Mars,
because Mars and the Moon they're going to have minerals,
and we won't have mineral problems anymore because we can
farm the planets from which I think is a bunch
of nonsense, right, but regardless, that's what they're saying. So again,
in ways you can even see today's purported private space programs,
right musk Bezos, Branson. They're also kind of prefigured in
either the Weston or the divine character who have kidnapped
Ransom and taken him to this planet, which he finds
out later is Mars. I won't go into all the
details of the Mars. The one thing that I don't
like about this book from the outset is the language.
So Mars has its own language, and Lewis really wanted
to play with the language like Tolkien did. You can
tell he's definitely doing this because he saw that Tolkien
was having fun with this in The Hobbit, and the
Hobbit you know, begins with playing with this Elvish terminology
and the language of Mordor versus the language of the Hobbits,
and the elves and blah blah blah blah blah, which
I understand. I don't have a I don't mind that
having a place. There is just way too much of
that in the first book, and it becomes a hassle
and it becomes annoying. And I understand it's the literary
device they liked. They're philologists, they want to play with language.
But the words are stupid. First of all, trifle figgy.
I mean it sounds like the dumbest possible thing that
British people could come up with. What's the most dumb,
stupid British sounding made up name. Magnify it by ten,
put it on acid, then put it on a dose
of Mollie. And then what do I get? Oh the
triple Figies quote a triple Figi's and all the British
literature wants to do this. Oh got we dumbledolele we
feeble wobbles get me wobblesh you mean dumb doubles. It's
like this is dumb. Okay, I'm not five years old. Okay,
I know this is written for kids, but what is
the British love for these stupid words?
Speaker 2: Let mean wobblesh?
Speaker 6: You mean figu wobblesh mean figgy, eagles mean rolling aham,
just the goofy words. Anyway, it's overdone. That's the main
problem with this book. Otherwise it's a great work of literature.
I mean, let's look through the glossary and I think
he wants you to have fun in the sense of
like maybe a kid would have fun decoding this and
keeping up with the glossary. And you can tell a
lot of this sounds just like Tolkien stuff. It's all
Eldish el Deal, the eld deal Bid. Bog El Dil
is of course spirit or an angel, and you've got
malel Dil. That will be important because malel Deal is
basically the Christ figure in the storyline. Right, everybody knows
Aslan is a Christ type of figure in Narnia, Malel
Dial is Jesus of this Space Trilogy universe. Essentially, there's
a bunch of other stupid names that are just kind
of just annoying and ridiculous. I mean, only a British
boy in the nineteen forties could enjoy this stuff. It's
just stupid and it clogs up the story for me, right,
I don't mind it. In the Lord of the Rings,
because I feel like in the Lord of the Rings,
I'm really getting some kind of Elvish language, and that's
just kind of cool, I guess. And everybody going into
The Lord of the Rings knows what they're getting into
when they've got this gigantic, you know, thousand page thing,
and you know you're gonna have to deal with token
Tolkien's like pages of description of the geography in the land,
and you're gonna have to it's basically an entire language. Okay,
I know what I'm getting into with that. This is
like a tiny kid book with I don't know how
many pages, one hundred and forty pages or something, and
I've got to have this chart to decode all these
stupid words. Other than that, it's great. It's really good.
It's an easy, fun read, it's not difficult. And the theology,
as we said, veiled, it doesn't lay on a bunch
of heavy stuff. It's like you're enjoying this dystopian kind
of science fiction story and then you're getting a little
doses of theology here and there, and you're starting to
figure out, Okay, so what the problem in this story
is is that they want to sacrifice a human for
the potentiality of ruling this world. Right, Ransom thinks that
if he can convince these people on Mars, these beings
on Mars, to go along with his scheme, then he
can gain control of that planet, and then they can
kind of expand their materialist imperialism to the other planets
throughout the universe. And this ends up not working. Ransom
basically foils I'm looking from a notes for the first one.
Ransom foils the plans of Western He ends up meeting
with the planetary ruler of Mars, who is oyarsa I think, yeah,
And it's interesting because the planetary rulers are clearly a
different kind of angel than the other angels, right, So
that so he's pulling from either Neoplatonism or medieval hermeticism
or Dionysius to bring in the notion of different types
of angelic beings. Mars is ruled by an angelic being
who is not inherently an evil or fallen figure. It's
just sort of the planetary ruler of Mars, the spirit
ruler of Mars, and west excuse me, what's his name.
Ransom figures out what Weston is up to, and then
he realizes that he has providentially been brought there to
help foil these nefarious designs of merchant Russell in space
basically right, So he convinces the ruler of Mars that
Weston is a bad guy, that he's actually a murderer.
He's had people killed, kidnapped, and he's trying to foment
a destruction on Mars. And then it says at the
end when Lewis introduced himself as the character, and they
end up foiling the plot, of course, but Weston doesn't
get killed. Weston gets away, and he will be the
villain in part two as well. It notes that Lewis
says that he had written to Ransom inquiring whether he
had ever come across the word O yarsa in any
medieval Neoplatonic texts. This prompts Ransom to share the secret
that the two resolved to hinder Weston from doing further
evil due to the rapid march of the coming or
contemporary events. So we're supposed to realize that, even though
it's a fiction work, the themes of physicist Weston, the
plans are going to continue because he got away, he
didn't get killed. Weston is described as a thick set, physicist,
ruthless and arrogant in part one mocks all classics and
history as trash, and he's in favor of pure hard
science and the expansion of the dialectical or reductionist, materialist
atheist worldview. So clearly then the theme is Lewis critiquing
the evil impetus of that worldview, the Bertran Russell type
of worldview, its predatory nature in terms of expanding and
needing to conquer and destroy with the materialist ethos. And
then even though we've been introduced to this idea as
a critique of the Enlightenment rationalist Darwinian Malthusiam materialist motivation
and mindset, in part two, it's going to become more spiritual.
We're going to move out of just this worldview critique
and we're going to move into the spiritual explanation for
the worldview. And this is not again, not a theme
that comes up in Lewis as well. Right in Narnia,
we have similar notions of beings that are different types
of beings that are impelled by evil spiritual forces and
not just by angelic good forces or not just by
being characters. Right, characters have the ability in these stories
to partake of evil powers or good angelic powers. And
I think that's partly why so many Orthodox people find
Lewis so amenable, is that you do you kind of
have theosis in Lewis's stories and in his novels. I mean,
think of Screwtape Letters, right, hopefully everybody's read Screwtape Letters.
I mean it's a fiction piece, but it's just a
brilliant insight into spiritual warfare, into the demonic. And we
get something very similar with Part two. So even though
Part one will give has themes of evil, it's mainly
focused on the either or of the worldview of Ransom
and his deference to malel dial in the angelic structure
that Christ, the Christ figure has created for the universe
and obeying his laws. It's this contrast of the two
world views. And then in Part two both of them progress.
Both Western and Ransom progress in their journeys Weston in
the sense of becoming possessed. He will move from being
a reductionist, atheist, materialist to a kind of New Age
spiritualist who is literally demonically possessed, and his worldview will evolve,
it will change. He's not a reductionist materialist anymore. And
it's going to be fast and we're going to see
in a minute who his worldview is more or akin to.
And for Ransom. Also, his worldview has progressed. He has
grown in his theological understanding, and that's why the focus
of Perilandra will be heavily theological. It's going to be
a series of I mean, it's it's fascinating because it's
unique and it's almost like it's not really a sci
fi dystopia. It's almost mythology. So it will be more
like Lewis will pull from Greek mythology in Peralandra than
anything like you know as a mob or Arthur C. Clark,
even though it's a space fiction thing. It's kind of
like contrasting Star Wars to Star Trek, right, I mean,
Star Trek is like the hardcore so called sooyance, and
Star Wars is more like I mean classic Star Wars,
not Disney Star Wars. Classic Star Wars is more like
space opera. And that's what Perilandra will be. But it's
not just space opera, fantasy, see and mythology. It's also
going to engage in fairly sophisticated theological debate, so that
that is not what I expected. I did not expect
the movement from part one to part two to be
fairly sophisticated theological debate because in the novel, Ransom will
have the debates and discussions with Venus, the planetary spirit
ruler of Venus, the girl the goddess Venus, and with Weston,
who is now fully demonically possessed. So and it reminds
me too that there's other cases in Lewis like this
as well. Remember Jadas, right, Jadas is similar. It just
made me think of similar situations because she's like this
ice queen, right, and she's not Lilith, but she's reminds
me of Lilith. And she is summoned with like magic bells.
Remember that. And then in the first Magician's Nephew, there's
these pools that are like portals that you step into
the different worlds. I mean, all that's fascinating. I think
Magician's Nephew is excellent. It's it's better than Lion Witch
and the Wardrobe. Actually, I think Uh Boy and his
Horse is better than Language and Wardrobe. I mean, I
like the land Witch and the wardrobe, and I understand
why everybody likes it, But there's other ones in that
series that are that are a lot better and more interesting,
and they're they're they're all allegorical. But what you have
in Perilandra is something way more serious and sophisticated than
anything you would find in Narnia. Right, this is I mean,
he's he's even gonna deal with themes of sexuality in
the Fall. He's gonna deal with prede and free will.
He's going to deal with the mode of being in
which Eden in the world would have been if it
hadn't fallen. And he's doing it through this literary device
of saying, what if Venus on Venus, the fall has
or the temptation or the fall hasn't happened yet. And
so the idea is that the angelic beings, even though
they're outside of time and space, or they're outside of
time as we understand it, maybe they're undergoing a temptation
as well, kind of outside of time, and so they're
being tempted in their own ways. And that's precisely what
part two is about. So Paralandra is about Weston having
to go back. He doesn't exactly know why on another journey,
another adventure, and he has taken to Venus, and he's
taken there to meet with the angelic spiritual being ruler
of Venus, this goddess Venus and her king who we've
not met yet, who is for whatever reason absent, and
I think we will. I will tell you why that
is her in a moment. Why I think that is.
At the beginning, Ransom mentions different esoteric schools, which I
didn't expect that had spoken of seeing these spiritual entities
and beings. He mentions Rudolph Steiner's anthroposophy. Now that was
odd to me. That was bizarre because, as everybody knows,
Steiner was a disciple of Blovatski Blevatski's theosophy of crazy
cult and Steiner went in a different direction created his
own cult anthroposophy. But it also has this idea of,
you know, seeing into the spiritual realm and seeing all
these different sort of beings and whatnot. And so I
don't again, I don't think C. S. Lewis was an anthroposophist,
but I think he's saying that what these esoterists are
talking about is the same thing that I'm describing to you.
Which is the same thing that Christianity describes as the
spiritual realm, which is not just populated by quote angels
and demons, but populated by various types of angelic beings
and various types of demonic beings. Because remember in the Orthodox,
in the Christian view, it's not just quote one generic
type of angel that fell. There's nine choirs of angels
in the Biblical revelation, and angels from each of those
angelic choirs fell, So there are various types of demonic
and angelic beings. So I think that's the theology, the philosophy,
the esoteric idea that undergirds this. It's not an anthroposophical text,
but it's pulling from the notion of anthroposophists that you can,
you know, experienced the spiritual world and there's all these beings.
That's why I think Ransom mentions that at the beginning,
and then we have the an even clearer description. We
kind of got this in part one, but it becomes
a little bit clearer in part two that the aliens
that or the beings the space beings that are being
encountered are angels and demons. So Lewis was way ahead
of his time in pointing out that the alien UFO
type thing that's going on, whatever that is, is, at
least on one level, a spiritual phenomenon aka angels and demons.
I don't know if anybody else prior to him had
even spoken this way. Maybe I'm just guessing, speculating. I
don't really know. I'm sure somebody out there has, you know,
a better assessment of who would have been the first
person to really question this ocean of alien beings and
tying it to the demonic again, who the first person
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the third one, we will have basically the Illuminate Confirm.
We will have the Illuminate Confirm wanting to depopulate explicitly
with their Malthusian agenda. So C. S. Lewis is exposing
us to the real illuminate, confirm. And now you see
why this has never been made into movies and it
never will be made into me this. You can't have
what is the subject of this in a veiled Christian
theology out there in blockbuster form. You see, they would
never allow that. Disney, you know, they kind of, you know,
did what the first three of Narnia, and I mean
Narnia is what's the word I'm looking for. Narnia is
kid enough that it's not really that sophisticated, you know
what I mean. Yes, Oslyn dies, okay, so he dies
for the people. Jesus dies to be worried. I mean,
that's it's basically what's going on in Narnia. It's not
it's not super sophisticated in language and wardrobe, but here
it does get more sophisticated. So let's get into this.
So Ransom is experiencing Venus, and he's noticed that time
and space and things don't work the same on Venus
like they do on Earth. And eventually he comes to
realize when he meets Venus herself and begins to dialogue
and debate and interact with her. That Venus has not fallen,
and so he still doesn't know why he's there, why
Christ has essentially sent him to Venus for some mission
he doesn't know exactly yet, and he realizes, Okay, it's
not fallen. And then he realizes, after kind of making
his way and getting used to the lay of the
land and the weirdness of Venus are on this sort
of floating island, that there's different laws for different planets.
So the ethics of Venus are such that the inhabitants
of Venus are forbidden to sleep on fixed land, so
they can go on land, but they can't sleep there,
and we don't exactly know why, but that's essentially what
the law of Venus is that Christ gave to it.
And so Western, you know, excuse me a Ransom, is
fine with all that. He's just sort of mystified and
blown away by all this weird metaphysics of Venus. And
then we find a spaceship crashes there and wouldn't you know,
Weston shows up, all right, So Weston has also been
sent to Venus before a different purpose. Western's trip to
Venus is because he is being impelled by the black ARCon. No,
it's not David Ike time does anytime I hear that, now,
I know it's a Gnostic thing, but every time I
hear it's like, okay, some of this is David Ike world. Now.
So the black akon the cheta Uri on Venus, you
see that, yeomen's on Venus. Satan, who we find out
is the fallen ruler of Earth. So Earth's angel fell
and rebelled. You see again, that's pretty much right Jesus.
When Jesus is tempted by Satan, what does Satan say?
All of this is mine. I can give this world
to you if you'll worship me. And of course, this
I think is the true sense of the term ARCon.
All right, that's a term used in not just Gnostics,
but it's just a term in the Greek for a power,
a deity, an angel, a being a planetary ruler. So
the planetary ruler of Earth we find out, is Satan,
and he's fallen, and he has a desire to lead
an attack on Venus because he wants to in this
cosmic spiritual warfare. He wants Venus to fall because Venus
is still under the dominion of Christ, and the planetary
rulers of Venus are still loyal to Christ. But Ransom
is sent there with Satanic power. Now excuse me, Weston,
I keep you any Weston is sent there at the
impetus of Satan. He doesn't actually know this yet, but
he's actually possessed, and his goal is to tempt Venus
to fall. And we know that it's not fallen because
when Ransom is there, Venus is naked and for whatever reason,
Ransom had to be naked because he was delivered there
in a silver ice casket or some kind of weird
space casket, I should say, and he's naked. Venus is naked.
She's a babe, a buxom babe. But he says, I
was not tempted. There's absolutely no sexual temptation. He said.
That's when I realized, Okay, so Venus isn't fallen. And
my guess as to the fixed land versus sea allowance
would be that in the Neoplatonic idea, you would have
a gradation of stasis versus change, right, stasis being better
than change. Actually not just in Neoplatonism. That would be
pretty much true for Plato Aristotle or most Greek philosophers, right,
unless it was somebody like you know, Heraclitis or something, right,
unless it was a philosophy thought that all this flux,
the idea of stasis and change, that's the only thing
I could come up with, the floating land versus the sea,
and that you can't sleep on stable land, which was
Christ's rule law for Venus for whatever reason, the only
thing I could come up with is that in the
Neoplatonic or the Greek colinic systems, stasis is superior to change.
And so the temptation for the beings that were allowed
to sleep, or sea being sleeping in the ocean, their
temptation would be all I want to experience stasis, right,
And in the Hellenic dialectic, stasis is superior to flux
or change. So the ocean being in constant movement versus
land being fixed in stasis, and it's called fixed versus
ocean right in the novel, that would be the temptation
for them. And that's not the only temptation, right When Ransom,
excuse me, when Weston engages in all these dialogues and
debates and explanations and stories trying to get venus to sin.
He uses things like appeals to vanity, appeals to pride.
He says, you need mirrors, you need makeup, you need
all these things that make you beautiful to you. And
so I think there's a conscious pull from the narcissusthology.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Lewis is clearly intentionally referring to Narcissus. I wrote a
whole essay by the way, years ago. I didn't even
I had not read this. I didn't know this was
in here. Just on my own research. I thought, well,
if you think about it, the story of Narcissus is
kind of like the Fall, right. It's a turn inward.
It's a turn to worshiping the self and vanity. And
Lewis does that exact thing in this story to pull
from the Narcissus mythology mythos to.
Speaker 2: Make it.
Speaker 6: Comparable to the fall, because the Fall is essentially not
our worship and obedience directed to God. It's a turn inward. Remember,
we just saw this in the last livestream that we did,
where we looked at Genesis two and three when it
talks about God's law and covenant for Eden and Adam
and Eves saying being tempted Satan saying, no, you will
determine good and evil. You will turn into yourself upon yourself.
You will look at yourself, you will worship yourself. And
that's what Weston says. Weston says Venus, Venus, baby, We're
gonna make you a sty I mean he's literally actually
he sounds like a kind of like a Hollywood groomer. Right, Oh,
we're gonna make you a big star. You're gonna be
to everybody's gonna be looking at you. They're gonna worship you.
You are gonna worship you. Right, and so Ransom realizes, Okay,
my job then is to dissuade Venus from falling. So
essentially what we have is the whole Eden story on Venus.
It's a mythological, theological telling of the events of Eden
on Venus and Weston represents the serpent figure and Ransom
represents Christ or the angel messenger. Right, So it's like
the angel and the demon on your shoulder, and they're
both whispering and arguing and having debates with each other
and with Venus. So fascinating concepts, right, fascinating idea at
once theological and also mythological, pulling from all kinds of
Greek and classic mythology. But I think what's really interesting
is that a big part of this is debate. I
did not expect that. You do not expect a novel
like this to be engaged in debates, but debate is
a big part of this novel, and not just intellectual
rational debate, but also physical battle or the BBC asked
him to come and give apologetics, lectures and defenses of Christianity,
which would become his famous book Mere Christianity, which I
don't think is that great. Actually, it's I mean, has
some prose, but it also has some pretty big deficiencies
in terms of theology. But it's well known. It's a
class again. C. S. Lewis does at times have apologetic
insights right God in the doc he at times he'll
use even a transcendental argument, believed or not.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 6: Lewis is insightful as an apologist, but he's not that
good of a theologian ultimately. But he is insightful, and
he's one of the more insightful Western theologians from the
Orthodox fantas point. So he's in this constant debate with
the demonically possessed Western, and that's not my interpretation. Like
Western's froths around and starts having seizures, and like his
face contorts, he turns into a different type of being
who has superhuman energy, human intelligence, which Weston describes as
exhausting to debate with. He says that he realized that
in debates with Weston, he was debating with a superhuman intelligence,
and eventually he would become more and more exhausted having
his debates. And then he starts wondering, and it starts
looking like Venus is going to give in, and he's
gonna She's going to sin and listen to Weston and Western.
It's amazing because Weston as a character anticipates so many
things and movements in religion and theology at that time.
The most obvious character that he seems like to me
is Tayhard to chard In. I mean, did anybody else
think of Tayhard when you read this? Because it's like
the bertrand Russell. How can we get a more demonically
possessed version of Bertrand Russell? Well, who after who at
that time exemplifies this attitude, like literally even saying the
things that Weston says. Tay Hard this shart in. I
mean the idea that fundamental reality is all spirit, all
of reality is monistically spirit coming to self realization. This
is all the crap, the gibberish that Weston says, right,
he says this to Venus and to Ransom. Let's see,
I listed several key things, and one of the best
chapters is chapter seven. So seven is key because he
goes into this detailed explanation of his emergent atheistic materialist
or his worldviews evolve from atheistic materialism to an emergent spiritualism.
He says basically that evolutionary dynamism and increasing complexity has
shown that reality is moving from physicality to pure spirit. This,
he says, is basically a transhumanist movement, whereas where spirit
itself or a quote holy spirit he thinks Western thinks,
has moved him and changed him and enlightened him. He says,
I realize now that this entity, this spirit, has guided
and chosen me to reveal this and to reveal this force.
Notice it's an impersonal it's not a personal deity, it's
not a personal god. It's a force that is the
vital life force moving all of reality, and an evolutionary
scheme to a unity of pure spirit. So it's a
gnostic Tahart days Shardan worldview. Literally, I have to think
he used Tahart as the model for the demonic theosis.
It's like an inverted theosis. Right, So it's moving from
atheist materialism to now Western exemplifying literal signs of demonic possession, gibberish,
talking in other languages, doing weird gestures, superhuman energy and intelligence,
facial contortion. I mean, it's it's not my analysis. He
really he's possessed clearly. In the novel said that right,
Weston explains that his new reality, new view of reality
is a metaphysical one in which monism is the truth,
all reality is won. This sequence is all very reminiscent
of screw table letters. By the way Western counters excuse me.
Ransom counters Weston by saying, well, don't you think that
it's possible that just because something spirit that doesn't mean
it's good? And how many New ages?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: This also anticipates the New Age movement decades ahead of
its time. How many people think the spiritual and spiritual
but not religious okay? Well? Or or the people that
do their trips right, acid trips, mushroom trips, d MT.
I talk to the angelic. I took to dispute it beings. Well,
just because something spirit doesn't mean that it's good. Maybe
it's an evil spirit and it's great. Because Ransom actually
raises all these objections, he said, well, just because the
spirit isn't is good, but maybe maybe it's an evil spirit.
And then we have an explanent a literary expert or
excuse me. Ransom comes all the way full circle and
he says, I realized I am Weston. I can keep
getting me so western evil demonic Bertrand Russell day Sharten says,
I am I am, I am God and the Devil.
So he literally goes full Charles Manson in his theology. Right.
I mean Charles Manson isn't on the scene yet when
this book is written, but it's like literally predicting that
Charles Manson's theology.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm the God and the Devil.
Speaker 6: I'm your greatest night man in your hope. Right. So
Ransom goes full Manson. Excuse me, Weston goes full Manson,
and then we get the literary device explanation eventually, where
Lewis explains that what is myth in one world is
fact in another world. So again saying the way I'm
doing this is on venus, what we think is myth
is actually the way that the physics and the metaphysics
of that world works. So it's not multiverse, it's just
other worlds or other planets. So everything is represented as
an edenic temptation. We realize that Weston's real goal now
is to bring death. So he's motivated now to bring
death because death releases spirit from physicality, you see, So
the justification for the bringing of death is his end goal.
His ntilos of this tr day shardin worldview of everything
evolving to monistic spirit all is one. They have a
creative evolution debate in chapter nine, which is bizarre when
this gets into I think this is where it starts
to get chapter nine and ten, it moves into a
problem of evil debate and a predestination free will debate,
and the debate does not end with this being resolved.
There is not an answer given. It is basically said
to be a form of compatibilism. Again basically the Orthodox view.
We don't follow on either side of that dialectic. But
what we don't have is a justification for the doing
of evil. You see, it does not make sense to
do evil. And so in this story we get a mythological,
theological version of the Fall or the experience of Eden,
and we even have interesting experiments with playing with time
and space. Right, Lewis begins to act like time doesn't
work the same or time doesn't work the same with Venus,
and so Venus herself she doesn't really have a concept
of getting older, like she starts talking about it getting
like getting older, but it's within the span of a
few minutes, right, So for her time doesn't work the
same way. Because again, this is not a fallen world.
And although I'm not advocating that literally, it does help
us to understand what the often asked question of people
inquiring at orthodoxy, well, how did animals or predators exist
before the fall?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: Do we have incisors before the fall? Why would we
need that if we didn't eat meat? Well, the answer
is that the way that our bodies and biology exists
now is different than the way that it existed before
the fall. The mode of all reality is different before
the fall, and you can kind of see inklings of this.
This cosmic scope of the fall, a metaphysical alteration in
the universe as a whole.
Speaker 5: In c. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis right because he's making the spiritual warfare that the
Christian believes in. He's making it a cosmic story. And
it would also makes sense with the notion of the
divine council, right, the planetary rulers. That's that's compatible with
our theology of the angels, the divine name, celestial hierarchy,
Dinaysius and with you know what Heiser talks about from
the Psalms in terms of the divine council. Basically, just
to sum up there, Weston gives excuse me, Ransom gives
the Christian classical Christian narrative on providence. He says that
God permits evil because the greater good can be brought
out of it. That's the romans A view. We get
this really weird description of Weston. When he gets possessed,
he starts dissecting for and ripping them apart, and I
think that's just emblematic of the rapacious, beast like nature
of what he's become now. And Lewis also describes the
demonic possession, the demon in him as a kind of imp, right,
So it's not it's a very intelligent imp, but the
imp is also ridiculous and stupid at the same time.
I thought that was a fascinating way to describe Satan
right as both on the one hand, extremely intelligent but
also at the same time extremely barbaric and brutish and
stupid in a weird way. Somehow that works together anyway,
So I think I hit all the main themes that
I wanted to get to. There is we're halfway. We're
halfway through part two, so we're gonna have to stop
here compatitialism and free will they end up having a
oh the next part that it moves to a physical battle, right,
So Ransom realizes that he wasn't just brought there to
have a debate with the demon that possesses Western, but
he's also now he's gonna have to engage in an
actual battle, and he's gonna have to be downloaded with
like Matrix style moves like Neo does. I'm not joking,
Like literally, he gets like the Angelic forces basically download
into him all of these different like powers like Neo has,
you know, Karate and whatever downloaded to his consciousness. So
the angels give you know, Western the operating program of
karate dot ex jujitsu dot ex. It's fascinating right the
way he plays with this and they engage in a
fierce combat on the backs of fish, skipping around on venus.
So we'll stop there because that's the middle of part two.
I think I hit everything I wanted to hit. And
remember in part three it's going to get really neat
because Part three will deal with the illuminate confirm. Now
we're going to move to Earth and it will become
this sort of conspiratorial dystopian story on Earth, and that apparently,
for whatever reason, throws a lot of people for a loop.
I'm going to touch on a couple of things here.
Part of what we helps to explain this is the
notion of the celestial spheres. If you're not familiar, this
is the ancient and medieval cosmological idea. A lot of
the Pythagoreans had this view. A lot of the Platonists
had this view that the planetary rulers that are out there,
they go in these circles, and the universe, they would think,
is a kind of musical instrument. View it like a
giant musical instrument or symphony that's going in a circular dance.
The circular dance is going to be very important for
not just the neoplatonic circular dance, imagery of the cosmos
and of all the life, all the creatures on earth.
But it's also sung. It's musical. Keep this in mind.
The universe is being sung into existence. Notes are being
played that give reality or the forms their existence out
of potentiality into reality. So it's like, yeah, the word
is spoken. The logo speaks reality into being. But it's
not just a monotone Benstein's money speaking of reality into being.
It's speaking it in a singing way into reality. Where
do we see this Magician's nephew? In Magician's Nephew, how
does Aslin create a Narnia? He sings it into existence?
And so the orbits of the planets we're thought to
have let me find the old ancient view of this
in their spheres and their courses. The idea was that
there were notes associated with them. See I think so
it comes up in the Timaeus the sphere. Yeah, it
is the most the best form. I particularly want to
get to the idea of being notes. If you have
order is it. If you have this book, it comes
up in the quad driven. It comes up in quadrivene
as well. Right, you get towards the end of the
book and it will talk about the notes in the
celestial spheres and the idea here being the universe is
not just a giant clock, right, And you can see
like the movement of the planets and their orbit and
all that. It's kind of like the ticking of a
big clock. Right, But it's not just that. It's also
a big instrument. So maybe it's both. Maybe it's a
clock instrument. And there were there were some Renaissance people
who had what is the name of that big somebody
invented a big goofy machine. And I referenced in the
David Lynch analysis that we did what was that thing called?
Does an I remember the musical instrument as supposed to
be like a representation of the universe. Let's see Renaissance
neoplatonic musical instrument pipes. Yes, now here is one of
the papers that I read. I can't believe this came up.
If you want more into this topic, I read this
paper ten years ago when I was researching this neoplatonic
and Phagoryan notions of world harmony and unity and their
influence on Renaissance dance theory. He said, why would that
be relevant? Because the universe is a big dance. It's
the dance of the created order around the sun being
representing God or the Logos in the center, and then
everything else right having its dance around that or around Earth.
It doesn't matter which cosmological model you accept, that's not
the point. But what is the name of that instrument?
Do you guys know what I'm talking about? It's like
a weird It's in my book, yes, so let me
find that. Bear with me. It's worth it because it's
in my chapter on season three of Twin Peaks. Yes,
here we go, Robert Flood. What do you know? Who
did I pull up? Robert Flood? See, I know what
I'm talking about, Like, I'm onto something with this right.
So again, if you can get a hold of this paper,
not this paper, where did it go? Renaissance dance theory
and neoplatonic world models, that will help you understand what
I'm getting at. I don't want Google images Robert Flood's
temple of music. That's what I'm looking for. And remember
in Lewis's in it Prince Caspian. Caspian's two is Flood?
Isn't that right? Am I right? Is it Caspians tutor?
Or is it am I think? Am I mixing it
up with the boy and his Horse? I get the
two stories mixed up sometimes because it's been several years
since I read the Narnia. Do you guys remember can
somebody in the chat remind me if is it tutor?
That's not for sure? It had to be doctor Cornelius
that's it. Maybe it's not Flood Or is it Flood
doctor Cornelius? Who is doctor Cornelius? That's it? What's his
last name? Maybe I'm wrong and it's not Flood, it's Agrippa.
Does it say Cornelius is last name at any point?
Because if it's not, maybe he may have been referencing
Cornelius Agrippa. I'm not gonna read all that, okay. Whether
it's Robert Flood or Cornelius Agrippa doesn't really matter because
it still makes the same point about Renaissance majish type stuff.
Temple of Music by Robert Flood as a mnemonic device.
So it's this thing here, and you'll notice up there. Thus,
what's supposed to be like the celestial spheres. I don't
know what's all going down what kind of party is
going on down there at the bottom of this thing.
But I just want a basic rundown. I don't need
fifty academic papers. So I guess he had had a
dream about this or something. Yeah, we know, music is
number of mysticism, I know, I know. Let's see what
this guy says. Okay, so Flood had an interest in Yeah, macrocosm, macrocosm,
all the stuff that you know. So here's this big thing.
Look at this wild thing. And apparently he had a
dream about this. Right, So this I'm assuming it's like
celestial spheres and whatnot. The rest of this have no
idea what this is. I mean, it's obviously musical notes
and instruments, but I mean, he got like super crazy
with this thing. The Temple attempts to synthesize his musical theory,
focusing on the use of consonants and dissonance in rhythmic proportions.
Flood explained that if you examine keenly the parts of
the temple, you will have a share in its mysteries.
An extremely experienced master in this knowledge, so it's a
mnemonic device for music music theory. The symbols are all
allegories from the temple, referencing Apollo or Pythagoras, and the
images are also supposed to have a relationship to the
memory palace. I'm sure you know what a memory palace is.
But it's supposed to also relate to the neoplatonic idea
that the universe is basically sung into existence. But anyway,
I can't find anything on that right now, but that
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here's a Amanda says. For ten dollars, can you recommend
a church father that discusses why reality is fundamentally triadic
rather than monistic or diaddic. Yeah. So this is covered
in Vladimir Lawski's book Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church.
In the chapter on the Trinity, he goes into restating
the arguments from Maximus and Gregory, Nazi a Zeus, Gregory,
Andissa as to why this is the case. It's covered
in different places in Saint Maximus, but specifically in a
couple of the Questions and Doubts. So if you read
Questions of Doubts, you'll see a couple instances there. I
don't remember which one they are because I don't have
the book confront of me, but it comes up in
the AMBIGUITA. The first Ambiguit deals with this. But the
easiest readable explanation isn't in Maximus. It's just in Lasky's
summary of this in the chapter on the Trinity and
Mystical Theology the Eastern Church. But he's just pulling it
from Maximus and Gregory nazianzas gone learn learn them? Can
you do it? Jordan Peters's impression talking about Funko.
Speaker 12: Pops, Well, you know, my father was always into funco pops,
and you know it's something that deep dome if you,
if you, if you think about it, deep don't in
your soul. We're all one kind of funkl pup. Perhaps
Charles Manson's another kind of funk pup.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 12: I don't know, No, I don't know.
Speaker 6: But it could be that was really dumb. I know
I'm tired, so my mind is not old here today
it's mush. I got up early for an interview, which
I was happy to do, but man, it was early,
and then I had to drink coffee to do the
interview because it was too early. I'm not a morning person.
I will never be a morning person. And then I
couldn't go to sleep. So my mind is mush. So
nobody should do morning interviews. But you don't want to
say no, no, Old or Apologist sixty dollars fat super
chat making it all worth it, so much, so much
love for you. Look at sixty love points, guys, you
want to show your love super chatty baby, and I felt, Look,
I did try to sleep. So my hair is all
screwed up. It's got like a wispy twirl, which makes
me look like a freaking weirdo dude, so bent once again,
Ben Swann beat me on hair this week. But hey,
maybe next week I'll come back with with hair that's
to die for. An old or Apologist says, this is
going to be good. I've been waiting for this one. Yes,
this was a long one in the mix, right, We've
been waiting a long time to do this. Hopefully, if
we get a good enough feedback. If I get enough
super chats love points, I'll do more. I mean, I
got stacks of lit, dude, I could. I can ramble
on about lit just as much as long as we
can about movies, but nobody reads books anymore. But now
that movies are turning to pure garbage, maybe people will
start reading books again. I don't know, we'll see, but
I mean we could do. I was pulling out some
other books that remind that I was reminded of reading
the Space Trilogy, and there's obvious ones, right. I mean,
it's a lot like nineteen eighty four in ways, except again,
Orwell's book just leaves you feeling hopeless, right, I mean,
there's nothing Christian about Orwell's book, even though it's amazingly
prophetic and accurate. Foundation. I mean, Foundation is interesting and
predictive in certain ways. But I mean this is just
like pure sullyance, Like this is like the soyboy sci fi. Right,
I've not watched the TV show Foundation. I kind of
enjoyed this book. I didn't enjoy Foundation enough to keep
reading the Foundation series, so it was kind of boring
to me, believe it or not, I don't know. I
know there's a lot of people who would hate this,
but Ann Rand actually has a decent sci fi story.
Dystobea story. Anthem is a good sci fi story. If
you've not read Anthem, I recommend it's pretty good. Now, yeah,
it's going to be tainted with the goofy kind of
libertarian ethos stuff. I'm not saying I like everything about
I don't like everything about and these stories they have
different reasons why they're good. But Anthem is. I thought
it was a pretty good dystopia story. And I'm not
the hugest, biggest an Ran fan, but but Anthem is
pretty good. But you can make that decision if you
want Brave New World. Everybody knows about Brave New World.
I mean, just think about the contrast of these various dystopias.
I mean, again, another hopeless story, right, Huxley's dystopia is
completely hopeless, nineteen eighty four a completely hopeless. Ann Rand's
dystopia is not hopeless. But it's like, oh, the hope
is the power of reason? Come on, dude, really, I
mean that's the very thing that Weston represents right as
a mov's. I mean, it's not really a dystopia. But
other than the predictive elements. I don't really see much
value and foundation, right.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 6: It's unique, right, Christian dystopia literature not a genre that
really took off. But thank you so much, Noldor. I
appreciate the big fat super chet DP ten dollars. Thank
you for helping me in my journey to becoming orthodox.
Hey many years awesome. Glad to hear that shout out
to DP much appreciate that super chat dog. Frankie D
ten dollars. I'm gonna miss most of this show in
airplane mode. He's probably not even on a plane. He
just wanted to say, I am intentionally putting my phone
into airplane mode to miss your show. I'm just joking.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: The wibble wobble, the wibi flob, the wibble flebbies were
pretty funny. Thank you. I've made fun of stupid British
slang in terminology for a long time. So we're gonna
coast and milk that one as much as we can.
Frankie D. Five dollars. Is interesting that the esoteristis describe
the spiritual realm, but they are aligned with evil, right,
But a lot of them don't know that, right. They
don't they they're deluded, so they many of them think
that they're doing good or they justified or whatever. So
that's the power of delusion, is that we can actually believe.
Are you know that, well, I'm doing good, I'm not
doing evil? And you know you might not even know
that you're that evil. Right, that's the power of delusions.
I've encountered various mythologies and noticed that there's a common theme.
They seem to be the story of the cosmos from
the perspective of the fallen Yes, that is correct. I
think typically Gnostic stories, the Gnostic mythology and ethos, which
people who follow my channel, my books, we've covered this
many many times for countless sign for years. Hollywood typically
represents the Gnostic story, right, the bumbling goofy idiotic creator
did who's removed and useless to the creation. There's the
rebellious hero, anarchic figure, the Lucifer character who's the hero
of the Savior who fights against the bumbling creator, Roy
Batty Tyrrell. Right, how often do we see that Gnostic
version of the story all the time? And so I
think you're totally right, Frankie d. And it's a point
that I've made for at least ten to fifteen years.
Son of Tia, my ten dollars? Can you recommend fantasy?
I mean, I'm not a big fantasy person. I mean,
let's be honest, most of this fantasy crap is like
fake and gray, totally right. I mean, who's that one
woman that was remember the woman connected to the serial
killers the Mists of Avalon woman and her daughter. Her
daughter became a Christian and said, that's all a bunch
of pedos. So I mean there are some good fantasies
novels and writers, I guess, but good fantasy writers. I mean,
I think Philip K. Dick is great in various ways,
but he's very gnostic in his cosmology for sure. I
do intend, by the way, to do this same type
of analysis that we're doing right here. I'd like to
do that with Philip K. Dick's stories too, So, but
that's not fantasy fantasy fantasy. I mean, I can remember
fantasy novels that I liked when I was a teenager,
and in ways they were interesting and fun. But most
fantasy stories typically tend to be seeded with pagan ideas
and really stupid stuff like remember I remember just immersing
myself in Terry Brooks and the sort of in that
whole series, And although I enjoyed it, I felt like
this is really just a copy of Tolkien. I mean,
it's like all the fantasy writers just sort of copying
Tolkien in various ways. And then I remember trying to
read Maryan Zimmer Bradley and I was just like, this
is terrible. This is just a bunch of feminist witch crap,
which crap, not just witchcraft, but which crap. So, I mean, no,
most fantasy is just garbage. Dude, I don't know what
to tell you. I'm sorry. I'm sure there's plenty of
good Christian fantasy writers out there. I just don't know
who they are, so I can't. I mean, other than
like Tolkien and Lewis, I just, off the top of
my head, just don't know. Frankie D five dollars. The
story of Zeus borrows from the overthrowing of the Father
and becoming the new God. Yes, it's correct. The theme
of imparting knowledge to humans, yeah Prometheus. Yeah. You then
say Prometheus exactly is portrayed as the one who saves
and illuminates humans. Yes, exactly. These are these are all Yeah,
clearly you know Lucifer Satan derivations, thoughts of a pilgrim.
Five dollars. Thank you for doing this. The story needs
more coverage. Yes, this is overlooked. I guess because it's Christian.
I mean the themes are more Christian than Narnia. That
would be my guess as to why many people have
not been told about the Space trilogy, or it's it's overlooked,
or Narnia is just so popular that people just forget
about it. But it is good, it's it is different.
I will say it's it's not what I expected. I
thought it would be like Narnia in Space, and it's not.
That it's more serious and more sophisticated. Which is not
to say that I dislike Narnia. I like the I
like it a lot, but it's it's adult is not
the right word. It's just more sophisticated. Gay lord folk
or one dollar yoh. Was the Orthodox position of foreign
knowledge and predestination that they are compatible. So how that
is we don't know, but is revealed to be so.
The Calvinist position is gnostic. Thus, I am curious what
the Eastern view of those passages is well, we affirm
both things right. Scripture says, on the one hand, God
is sovereign, his foreign knowledge and providence extends to everything,
and yet humans do have free will. And for Orthodox
we just simply accept that there is a compatible position there.
Somehow they work together. How we don't know. We don't
know the mechanics of that, because it just simply is
beyond human comprehension. And that actually comes up in I
think what chapter nine or ten of Peril Undra and
Seious Lewis basically gives the Orthodox view balance tis wonderful stream.
I went to a Funko pop free bookstore. I'm sorry,
why did you even go in there? Oh, a Funko
pop free bookstore. I thought you meant like you were
getting them free. Like, dude, if your bookstore is giving
out Funko pops free, it's over. But you're saying that
this book store had no Funko pops. Hey, thank god
for that. I found David Rockfeller's memoirs. Yes, do you
have videos dedicated to this book? Two of the one
of the Alex fourth Hours was dedicated to that book.
I don't have one on my YouTube channel that I
can recall. Dedicated to that book. No, but there is
one of the hours of the fourth Hour of AJ
that is the memoirs, or largely pulls from them. Frankie
d five dollars. This sounds a lot like the Lord
Valdemort Mythos when he was on Joe Rogan. It kind
of is. Yeah, I mean, I have no idea if
Alex has read Swiss Space Trilogy. He could have, I
don't know, but now that you mention it, it does
kind of sound like that. Yeah. Interesting, the force of
good and evil God moving in a certain direction. I
can't remember all of it. Yeah, I don't remember all
of it either. I listened to all of that and
the second one, so I know we did a boiler
room I think around the time when that happened, because
it was, you know, just a huge podcast. It's like
the biggest podcast of the time most views. And well
I should do like a I should just do like
a five hour rock fin live stream of that whole podcast.
But yeah, I see the connection there. I didn't think
about that, but I think you're right there. Maybe Alex
has read parlonger Panel Coasts three dollars on the Angelic
Notes Byzantine Chant is inherited by the ancient Greek music
musical system for first formulator by Pythagoras. Yes, exactly, Thank
you so much, Cosmos Panos Cosmotos, Pano costros right, who directed?
Are you the director of Mandy and I'm joking? Yeah,
So Pano is backing up that Byzantine chant has the
same derivation of the Pythagorean model of the notes connected
to the celestial spheres. John Damascus recast this into our
eight tone system. Wow, I did not know that, and
it clostically closely mimics what's supposed to be the angelic chorus. Wow, awesome.
Thank you so much, Pano, because I was actually floundering
there and I couldn't find what I was looking for
in terms of the the celestial spheres. That helps me
a lot there, Thank you so much. And then Pino
says again for two dollars, the eight tiered loopable system
is reflected mathematically in harmonic series. In the harmonic series,
this is really freaking cool. Didn't Plato describe the forms
like this too? Yeah, so the Tamayi speaks that way,
So yes, Rossi, Ross Roscoe, Pico train. By the way,
that's a good Roscoe, wasn't it. What is your take
on Gurjev. I think he's just a kind of a perennialist,
a new ag guy who sort of cobbled together a
bunch of different things in a kind of hodgepodge. So
I don't have I'm not too I'm not into Gurjeaf.
Is he not a legitimate spiritual source. I think that
any of the perennialists, any of those people have insights.
I mean, I've got on my bookshelf, I've got shoe
on Gerdieff, and I don't have Gurgeff, excuse me, shoe
on gn On Evil.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: I've got more perennials up there, so Charles Upton, they're insightful,
But I don't think any of those perennials people really
gets the main point, which is Christ. I mean, that's
the that's the key thing for us, right, So I
mean you can have all kinds of insights from people
like that, just like you can have all kinds of
insights in neo platonists, But if they're missing the key thing,
which is Christ, then it's kind of like you're you're
missing the point, right. But thank you for that question,
Ruscoe Pico train. All right, Part two. Remember, if you
want to see part two, head on over to Jason
Allisis and you can subscribe there. It will not be
up tonight. It will be a couple of days. I'm
still working through finishing the Space trilogy, and then i'll
have the final talk where we'll cover the rest of Parlandra,
and then we'll get into what I think is really fascinating,
that hideous strength, the one that everybody says, what is
this about? It's obvious what it's about. And if you
know about you know, the conspiracy element of what's really
going on in the world, If you know about my
enthusianism and so forth, then it's obvious what the third
one is about.
Speaker 10: And C. S.
Speaker 6: Lewis, I think is clearly telling us that. So look
for that in the next week. It may take me
a full week to do the part two. Don't message me,
email me win's part two. Where's Part two? Okay, I'm
telling you right now, it's gonna be a while. Every
time I do this winds it up. I'll get a
message tonight it's Part two up. Don't message me about
part two. It will come, I promise you. Diet so
to five dollars. I'm just finishing the excellent on the
Human Condition by Saint Basil. Would you do a stream
on this? You know, I don't think i've read that.
We did a live stream two years ago on most
of Basil's stuff, where I did on the Holy Spirit,
I did against Unomius by Basil. We did all of
the key letters, or most of the key letters, but
that's just what's in the shaft set, except well, against
Unomius is not in the chaft set. That's the c
UA press. So but now, I don't think I've actually
read that, unless it's like homilies or it's actually selections
of the letters. So if it's its own work, I've
not read it, but it would be a good idea.
I haven't been back visited to Saint Basil since what
like two summers ago, so maybe it would be a
good idea to revisit Saint Basil. All right, thank you
guys so much. Everybody. I hope you enjoyed this. Please
hit like and share a comment below, tell me what
you think, tell me what I missed, And again I
did yes, because there will be fifty nerds coming on
here telling me that I got Flood wrong. It's Agrippa.
Excuse me, Doctor Cornelius is probably Cornelius Agrippa. It's not
Robert Flood. But Robert Flood is the guy who came
up with the universe being a musical instrument thing, musical
temple or whatever, and asline sings creation into existence. So
I'm not off on that. That's the Renaissance Platonic Pythagorean
theory that Pina was talking about. So I was basically right,
but sometimes sometimes I get details wrong. Guys, okay, and
guess what everybody does. You don't have to correct me.
In fifty comments.
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