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<v Speaker 1>It's the Three Whiskey Happy Hour Special Gala July fourth

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<v Speaker 1>edition with your usual bartenders, me, John Yu and the

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<v Speaker 1>International Woman of Mystery, Lucretia. Well, it's the special July

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<v Speaker 1>fourth edition of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour, brought to

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<v Speaker 1>you like Yankee Doodle Dandy in a two four time signature,

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<v Speaker 1>with no rest between the measures. Though more on that

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<v Speaker 1>point in due course. And of course, I guess we

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<v Speaker 1>should start out by observing that today is the real

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<v Speaker 1>No King's Day. But we're gonna change things up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit since it is our sacred holiday. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>skip the news, we're gonna skip the latest cases and

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<v Speaker 1>does just do some July four themes, although I reserve

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<v Speaker 1>the right to do a little retribution against John and

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<v Speaker 1>the third segment. But we are now one year out

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<v Speaker 1>from I've learned, by the way John, what we're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to call next year's anniversary. It's the semi quinn Centennial,

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<v Speaker 1>which just rolls.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds almost as nice as the Clean Air Act.

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<v Speaker 2>We might have to we're gonna have to ban that

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<v Speaker 2>word too, Send me whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, But but I thought what we would do

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<v Speaker 1>today is reflect on some general things and John, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start with you, uh, because you know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>had these arguments on the substance of immigration, both the

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<v Speaker 1>legal issue of birthright citizenship, but then we also have

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<v Speaker 1>tangled a couple of times about whether the US needs

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<v Speaker 1>more immigration. You made the argument theory we need more

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<v Speaker 1>skilled immigration, that we're actually short of labor and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, let's talk about your immagate because you

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<v Speaker 1>are an immigrant and your story I think calls to

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<v Speaker 1>mind Lucretia and my late friend Peter Shram, who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fled with his family after the Hungarian Revolution in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six, and he asked his dad, dad, why are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to America? And his dad said, because we

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<v Speaker 1>were born American but in the wrong country. And there

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<v Speaker 1>was no more patriotic person than Peter Shram, and no

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<v Speaker 1>more eloquent person to talk about immigration rightly done. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You know, you've mentioned a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times that you moved here with your parents when you

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<v Speaker 1>were what seven eight years old? I saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I it's much younger. I came to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States when I was three months old, so I

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<v Speaker 2>had lots of questions, but no one could understand me

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<v Speaker 2>at the time when we came out.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we've seen that picture of you talking John, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, there's these great videos of me now

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<v Speaker 2>speaking out at last Spanish and Spanish at that with

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<v Speaker 2>a books sticking out of my hair. So we'll take

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<v Speaker 2>it from the time I just actually heard my you

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<v Speaker 2>know one. So a few things. So first, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh, you know, we appreciate the country, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get to that second. But first, think about

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<v Speaker 2>we're all descended from immigrants, and think about what what

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<v Speaker 2>an imposing obstacle it was for all of them to

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<v Speaker 2>decide to leave their home countries and come here. And

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<v Speaker 2>they came here because of an idea, not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they came like you said, Steve with your description of

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<v Speaker 2>the Shams. The Shrams I never met. It's my parents.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think most you know, people who first come

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<v Speaker 2>over as first generation immigrants, they have just rumors or

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<v Speaker 2>ideas about what America is rather than what it really

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<v Speaker 2>is like, and still they come. I think that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about there, all of our ancestors were rooted in

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<v Speaker 2>some place for maybe thousands of years. That's certainly true

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<v Speaker 2>of Korea, which is still rather homogeneous people and culture

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<v Speaker 2>that was isolated from the world for about two thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>It was called the hermit Kingdom. I learned. So, think

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<v Speaker 2>about all of our first generation ancestors who came here,

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<v Speaker 2>had almost no real knowledge of what it was like.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of their desire, I think, for freedom, they

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<v Speaker 2>came here, and because of their rumor that you could

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<v Speaker 2>make your lives as you wanted rather than be trapped

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<v Speaker 2>in a hierarchy or a society that was the way

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<v Speaker 2>it was for hundreds of years or thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 2>is what brought them here. So I just heard my

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<v Speaker 2>mother actually tell this story last week. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>all about the revolution in a way. So I was

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<v Speaker 2>in Philadelphia last week teaching a class of K through

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<v Speaker 2>twelve teachers about the revolution. So here they just struck me.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a first generation immigrant, I wasn't even born here

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<v Speaker 2>teaching a class of fifty K through twelve teachers about

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<v Speaker 2>the American Revolution. And I made the case to them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I taught it socratic. So I start out with

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<v Speaker 2>a statement and then just asked them what they thought.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, the American Revolution is a strangely conservative

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<v Speaker 2>revolution because it seeks to recapture your guy's favorite topic,

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<v Speaker 2>natural rights, right, it seems to recapture that from the

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<v Speaker 2>British who wanted to change things, and how it's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>that people from all over the world come here, not

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<v Speaker 2>for the French, a French, Chinese or Russian revolution. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't come here because they want to sweep away society.

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<v Speaker 2>They come here because they want something very old fashioned, right,

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of years old, the idea of natural rights. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So after that, I took my mother, who's eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of her octogenarian friends to dinner at a

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant that pre exists the Revolution in Philadelphia called the

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<v Speaker 2>Guardhouse Inn, and they were all telling stories about how

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<v Speaker 2>they first came to Philadelphia. And the restaurant is still

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<v Speaker 2>in the same town that I grew up in. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. Things in Philadelphia, they don't change. So

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<v Speaker 2>this restaurant's been there since seventeen there's a date on

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<v Speaker 2>it's seventeen something, and it's still serving the food from

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen something. I think the recipes have not changed. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just kidding, But there are restaurants in Philadelphia actually where

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<v Speaker 2>you can go and the menu is like Benjamin Franklin's menu,

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<v Speaker 2>And here I want to just say there have been

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<v Speaker 2>massive improvements in human welfare since that time, because we

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<v Speaker 2>don't eat that food anymore anyway. So one of the

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<v Speaker 2>people at dinner who actually used to be an owner

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<v Speaker 2>of the Philadelphia Phillies, but that's a whole nother story,

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting man anyway. So they asked her, how

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<v Speaker 2>did you pick Philadelphia to emigrate to? And I think

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<v Speaker 2>this has got to be replicated over and over again

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<v Speaker 2>in all of our stories. So she said, we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know anything about the United States. Unrolled a map and

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<v Speaker 2>there were all these cities, and there's New York and

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<v Speaker 2>there's Los Angeles as the ones most Koreans went to.

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<v Speaker 2>And they said they were fans of classical music. And

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen fifties, the greatest orchestra in America was, oh, Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 2>the Philadelphia Orchestra, conducted by Eugene Eugene Ormandy, the great conductor.

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<v Speaker 2>And they said, they have a great orchestra in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be a good place to live. Let's choose there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, you know, mom, at this time,

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<v Speaker 2>the Detroit Symphony Orchestra is also a very good orchestra

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<v Speaker 2>and the Cleveland Orchestra. Think, well, how could you pick

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<v Speaker 2>a city based on the orchestra. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>bad cities with good orchestras too, But this was all

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<v Speaker 2>they knew about the United States was just they had

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<v Speaker 2>heard the music from the Philadelphia Orchestra, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>we picked it. But then they took me to a

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<v Speaker 2>city which is wrapped up in the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>Revolution and the Constitution. Where you can go today and

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<v Speaker 2>visit the room in Independence Hall, which at that time

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<v Speaker 2>was the Pennsylvania State House, and see the room and

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<v Speaker 2>the desks are still there, the same furniture, and see

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<v Speaker 2>where the Declaration of Independence was written and signed, and

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<v Speaker 2>with the Constitution was written signed. I went to a

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<v Speaker 2>high school that was founded in seventeen eighty five, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it pre exists the Constitution. We still learned Latin

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<v Speaker 2>and Greek at that high school. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>originally founded to teach ministers of the Episcopalian church because

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<v Speaker 2>that's who were supposed to go to college back then.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had that was my immigration. I still remember

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<v Speaker 2>I was around for the seventeen seventy six celebration I

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<v Speaker 2>remember going to parade as a little kid, and I

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<v Speaker 2>also remember that the following year I got my naturalization certificate,

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<v Speaker 2>and I still remember, vaguely remember going to downtown Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 2>to some federal building and getting the naturalization certificate, which

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<v Speaker 2>I still have. So you probably remember a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things from when you were now nine or ten. I

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<v Speaker 2>still distinctly remember that, and then just deficient. Lastly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on July fourth, it's the other thing that's amazing to

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<v Speaker 2>me is not just the travel of our parents or

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors to the United States, but also it's amazing. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is why I think immigration should be increased beyond

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<v Speaker 2>one million a year. Is I think the country is

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing country because it is founded on immigration and

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<v Speaker 2>it's constantly renewing itself, but they're always still connected to

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<v Speaker 2>the founding principles. The people still come here because they

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<v Speaker 2>want freedom and liberty, not just I think economic benefits.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't just want to go to the richest country

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<v Speaker 2>in the world or the strongest country in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to go to the freest country in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why. But it's not the freedom you could find

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe or Asia. They want to come or even

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<v Speaker 2>the Latin America. They want to have the unique freedom

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<v Speaker 2>we have in the United States. So sorry for going

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<v Speaker 2>on line. I could go on longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm want you to back up a step on

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of points, which is you were Were you

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<v Speaker 1>naturalized at the same time as your parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the same time, I see, I think almost the

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<v Speaker 2>same time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it took several years, I take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean back then it would take you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it took nine ten years. I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>took nine years for me. Yeah, I mean it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the and we didn't apply for asylum or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents came to fill needs in the healthcare industry.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, that's what I was going to ask, is

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<v Speaker 1>what we.

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<v Speaker 2>First settled in New Jersey because it worked there. My

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<v Speaker 2>parents worked at a veterans hospital. Oh okay, in a

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<v Speaker 2>mental and a mental hospital in New Jersey. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>that okay, explain to you a little bits. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so successful at navigating this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, all right, and mom makes me better.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I say, back up a step. So

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that you know your parents were you know, skilled,

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<v Speaker 1>well educated people in medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, the other thing I know is what

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<v Speaker 1>year was did you come here?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it like nineteen nineteen sixty seven? So years two

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<v Speaker 2>years after the Immigration Act? So as yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>before nineteen sixty five, this really wouldn't have been possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I wasn't sure. You know, it varies depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the status of countries, and in a particular case of Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>where we had, you know, fifteen years before, been involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a war, and I think even in the late sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>South Korea was still a pretty poor country. Today it's

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<v Speaker 1>a real country, right, and so you can understand why

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<v Speaker 1>you'd want to seek out better opportunities. I always like.

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<v Speaker 2>An interesting thing though in the Yeah, well no, here's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting in the mid nineteen sixties, so yeah, I went

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<v Speaker 2>looked up the statistics and so nineteen sixty South Korea

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<v Speaker 2>was the second poorest country in the world. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>of the top ten richest countries. And my parents were

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't they didn't want to live under a

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<v Speaker 2>military dictatorship. Yeah, even though I mean, this is another

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<v Speaker 2>other elements of it is I've always been interested in

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<v Speaker 2>foreign affairs and war because the United States did fight

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<v Speaker 2>in the Korean War right before I was born. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's still amazing to me that, yes, the United States

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<v Speaker 2>had great power reasons to go to Korea, but it

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<v Speaker 2>still so amazed that, you know, that's tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of Americans died in combat to save the freedom of

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<v Speaker 2>South Korea, and you look at the result. It's now

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<v Speaker 2>the tenth or just country of the world. You look

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<v Speaker 2>city lights at night between North and South Korea, and

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<v Speaker 2>for one tiny blip in Pyongyang, and South Korea looks

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<v Speaker 3>So let me just add a little something onto that.

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<v Speaker 3>included this little anecdote in my speech to eight hundred

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<v Speaker 3>fiftieth anniversary of the US Army. And that was at

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<v Speaker 3>the Holocaust Rememberment ceremony. A rabbi who had been rescued

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<v Speaker 3>as a child from I think it was Dachau, came

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<v Speaker 3>and spoke. He was the major speaker at the ceremony,

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<v Speaker 3>and the one thing he said to a room full

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<v Speaker 3>of soldiers was to billions of people across the world,

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<v Speaker 3>a soldier in a US Army uniform means hope and deliverance.

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<v Speaker 3>And like you say, John, what an incredible thing that

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<v Speaker 3>is that our soldiers are not bent on world domination

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<v Speaker 3>and conquest. I mean, I don't want to get into

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<v Speaker 3>a neocon thing, but how proud can you be of

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<v Speaker 3>a military harry that its primary purpose throughout most of

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<v Speaker 3>its history has been either to protect the people of

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<v Speaker 3>this nation or to deliver people of other nations from

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<v Speaker 3>really horrible situations. I mean, can you imagine anything more

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<v Speaker 3>noble than rescuing survivors of concentration camps in Nazi Germany?

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<v Speaker 3>And why is it that we do that? I think

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<v Speaker 3>that that's really the important question. Why is our army different?

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<v Speaker 3>Why is it notvent on colonialism and imperialism and all

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<v Speaker 3>of those other horrible things we hear from the left.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's because of who we are as a

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<v Speaker 3>country and the one place that I differ with you, John,

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<v Speaker 3>not differ, but maybe add to is there's a reason

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<v Speaker 3>why America is entirely different from any other country. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that it's a conservative revolution. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's a contra revolution. It doesn't replace in seventeen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't replace one set of dictator with another. It

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't just a coup. It was for the first time

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<v Speaker 3>in recorded history of people dedicating themselves to a universal

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<v Speaker 3>principle based on the idea that the world was ruled

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<v Speaker 3>by nature, the laws of nature, in Nature's God, not

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<v Speaker 3>a specific Christian God, not a specific sect, not Islam,

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<v Speaker 3>not whatever it might be. But to separate out from

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<v Speaker 3>our commitment to our God, whichever God we choose to worship,

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<v Speaker 3>but to base, to base our freedoms, our rights, not

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<v Speaker 3>in something ephemeral or because we have a constitution that

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<v Speaker 3>says so, but because we can go to nature. We

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<v Speaker 3>can go to nature's laws, in Nature's God, and see

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<v Speaker 3>what it is that we can learn about human nature

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<v Speaker 3>and why we have those natural rights and freedoms because

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<v Speaker 3>of the fundamental truth of human equality. Not equality in everything,

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<v Speaker 3>but it equality in the sense that over human beings,

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<v Speaker 3>there are no natural rulers. There's no divine right of kings.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no evidence in nature from God, despite what ruled

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<v Speaker 3>Europe for millennia, that God has placed some people in

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<v Speaker 3>such superior positions over everyone else that they deserve to

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<v Speaker 3>be rulers over the world. That's what creates American exceptionalism

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<v Speaker 3>because we believe that, and it's why we could accept

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<v Speaker 3>all of those immigrants from countries far from countries with

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<v Speaker 3>totally different belief systems and so on. Why did they

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<v Speaker 3>come here? Because the American exceptionalism is a human exceptionalism,

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<v Speaker 3>and every immigrant from every country, if they're willing to

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<v Speaker 3>accept those principles and those ideas, can become an American,

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of where they come from. You can't go to

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<v Speaker 3>France and become a Frenchman. I can't go to Korea

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<v Speaker 3>and become a Korean.

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<v Speaker 2>In Lucretia, you seem to share some of the common

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<v Speaker 3>I do because I have lots of.

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<v Speaker 2>Riving your enemies before you destroying their cities.

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<v Speaker 3>But what does it mean to be an American?

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<v Speaker 1>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know anything about the naturalization procedures,

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<v Speaker 3>rules and regulations of other countries, but I know about

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<v Speaker 3>them here and they what they demand of you is

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<v Speaker 3>that you understand those fundamental principles. That's what they demand

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<v Speaker 3>of you. And you have to take a test. And

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<v Speaker 3>the test is not necessarily about you know, history and

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<v Speaker 3>this and that. It's about what are the fundamental principles

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<v Speaker 3>of American exceptionalism and that's what makes us different and

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<v Speaker 3>what makes July fourth worth celebrating.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, you just did a in some ways

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<v Speaker 1>a recapitulation of Reagan's farewell address. Ery talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the fishing out the Vietnamese refugee in the

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<v Speaker 1>late seventies, the American Navy man, right and pulling the

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<v Speaker 1>guy up on the deck and he says, hello, American soldier,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello freedom man. That was the only English he knew, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the importance of a studying history. So, John, I

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<v Speaker 1>am curious that Episcopal school you went to low those

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<v Speaker 1>many years ago, where you learned Greek and Latin and

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<v Speaker 1>probably were given you a sensible instruction about American American history.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know if they still teach it the way today?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you suppose they've gone woke like so many other

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, I hope not. I know they still teach Greek

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<v Speaker 2>and Latin, oh, which I think if you still learn

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<v Speaker 2>Greek and Latin and you read ancient history, you come

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<v Speaker 2>away with great suspicion of these utopian ideas of sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>away the past and replacing it with you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, Rousseauian, a Marxist Leninist paradise, because

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<v Speaker 2>studying all that time in history and learning the language,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives you a sense of how much of a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, world history is tragic. And then you the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, and yeah, we learned Western civilization in that

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<v Speaker 2>without a doubt. And one thing you do come away

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<v Speaker 2>with is how unique America is. So, you know, response

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<v Speaker 2>to Lucretia's point, So I have this story in my

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<v Speaker 2>senior year of college, after I had already gotten into

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<v Speaker 2>law school and basically finished my thesis. I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>around for classes to take the spring of my senior year,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was looking in the course catalog, which was

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<v Speaker 2>on paper back then and you could not search it

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<v Speaker 2>with keywords. And I found this class that caught my eye,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was called American Exceptionalism. So I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take this class. It was in the

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<v Speaker 2>sociology department, and I show up and there's four people

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<v Speaker 2>idea who this Daniel Bell guy was. So he took

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<v Speaker 2>a special interest in me because I was something of

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<v Speaker 2>a rack hunteur in class. But also you thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was interesting because I was an immigrant, so he thought

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<v Speaker 2>this was really interesting. And I wasn't a sociology major.

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<v Speaker 2>He was bored with sociology majors. But we basically sat

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<v Speaker 2>around a table, the five of us, for the whole semester,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what made America exceptional. And so

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<v Speaker 2>his theory takes up on Lucretia's idea, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say positive negative. He's trying to be descriptive.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks that he argued, just I don't think this

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<v Speaker 2>is actual belief, but He argued that we were trapped

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<v Speaker 2>in some kind of locke in paradise, that we are

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<v Speaker 2>committed to natural rights from the founding, but then the

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<v Speaker 2>compared to other countries, that's impossible to really change the

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<v Speaker 2>United States out of a local So he would just say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just hardwired. And that's not his phrase,

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<v Speaker 2>but he would have said today Lochianism is hardwired into

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<v Speaker 2>the American character, this belief in natural rights, this effort

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<v Speaker 2>to limit government. But then also the large side. And

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<v Speaker 2>then one other thing that was really impressed was was

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<v Speaker 2>the religiosity of Americans. He said, if there's something really

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<v Speaker 2>different and Western Europe, and he kept comparing us to

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<v Speaker 2>Western Europe, is people here just much more religious? And

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks that He thought that was a really important difference.

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<v Speaker 3>And why the problem I have with that. The problem

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<v Speaker 3>I have with that explanation is it puts the causes

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<v Speaker 3>over the It calls the causes the effects and the

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<v Speaker 3>effects the causes. You know, tyranny and oppression have been

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<v Speaker 3>the rule throughout history, and what is it about America?

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<v Speaker 3>Because human beings were created equal, they have a right

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<v Speaker 3>to rule themselves. For the first time, the Americans demonstrated

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<v Speaker 3>that you could have legitimate government specifically designed to protect

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<v Speaker 3>and secure our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit

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<v Speaker 3>of happiness. They're not given to us by government. Their

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<v Speaker 3>government exists to protect it. Alexander Hamilton said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be up to us to prove to

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the world that we can do this.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we can't do it because of I think

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<v Speaker 3>some of the things you were saying from your bel lecture,

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<v Speaker 3>because of the unique characteristics in America at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>the belief in those rights, the traditional self government, all

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<v Speaker 3>of those things made it this perfect sort of experiment.

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<v Speaker 3>But Hamilton says very clearly, if we fail at this experiment,

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<v Speaker 3>it can be considered the general misfortune of mankind. And

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<v Speaker 3>then you have Lincoln coming along and saying, essentially during

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<v Speaker 3>the Civil War, I'm going to quote this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing. He says, we even we here hold

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<v Speaker 3>the power and bear the responsibility in giving freedom to

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<v Speaker 3>the slave, we assure freedom to the free, honorable alike.

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<v Speaker 3>In what we give and what we preserve, we shall

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<v Speaker 3>nobly save or meanly lose. The last best hope of earth.

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<v Speaker 3>So and just one more point on that, the belief

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<v Speaker 3>in human equality limited government. It didn't limit the purposes

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<v Speaker 3>of man. That's why we can have such prosperity because,

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<v Speaker 3>this commitment to natural rights. But it also opened up

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<v Speaker 3>human flourishing in a way that was even inconceivable throughout history.

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<v Speaker 3>I just protect your rights to property, and guess what

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<v Speaker 3>human beings flourish, and we have an expanded notion of property,

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<v Speaker 3>not just you know, I've got money in the bank.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got this many cows, but I'm a talented musician,

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<v Speaker 3>and I can earn money and keep that money. All

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<v Speaker 3>of those things allowed Americans to flourish beyond anything that

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<v Speaker 3>the world had ever known. It's not the economic freedom

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<v Speaker 3>that made this country great. The things that made this

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<v Speaker 3>country great cause the economic freedom. And that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve was trying to push you and say your parents

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to come here for economic freedom and economic opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's true in many cases. But what we need

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure people understand is that economic opportunity is

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to back. I want to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of this segment with a couple follow up questions for you,

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<v Speaker 1>John about your time with Daniel Bell who. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>were you aware of him before you took the class?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know he was this famous?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not realize who he was. And also, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, it was the very last class he ever taught,

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<v Speaker 2>because he retired after he had me in class. He retired.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, by the way, I mean you gave us

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<v Speaker 1>a little background about him. He was essentially a follower

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<v Speaker 1>of Lewis Harts and the liberal tradition in America. And

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<v Speaker 1>remember Heart said, with this lockeyan country, but he regretted that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think Bell did too. I mean remember Bell

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<v Speaker 1>described himself as a cultural conservative, but a social democrat

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<v Speaker 1>or socialist economics, an economic Marxist. Yeah. Yeah, well, I

435
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<v Speaker 1>will say that I never met the guy, but I

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<v Speaker 1>read him assiduously, and in particular, it was one really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting essay of his back in nineteen eighty two in

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<v Speaker 1>Partisan Reviews. So he'd retired by then, or maybe not quite.

439
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<v Speaker 1>It alerted me to some of the interesting and usable

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of Max Weber and uh if Belle were still

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<v Speaker 1>with us, today. I think he would be horrified and

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<v Speaker 1>appalled at the left of the Democratic Party and people

443
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<v Speaker 1>like Montdombia, New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one thing that came through from the class and

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<v Speaker 2>from the reading. You know, he wrote a famous book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism and the argument that our

447
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<v Speaker 2>economy becomes so I mean, I can't I think he's right,

448
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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's seventy years later, I think after

449
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<v Speaker 2>he wrote twenty years after at the book was no, no, no, wow,

450
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<v Speaker 2>it's yes, it's almost fifty years since he wrote the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that, you know, our economy produces so much wealth

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<v Speaker 2>and luxury that it undermines the moral basis that causes

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism to succeed. It's sort of an add on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's an expansion of Weber's Protestant you know Protestants.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and Speter Schumpeter said that before both yes, right, yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know, so that was I mean, he uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but he became known I think as a future Stephen,

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<v Speaker 2>though he did not want to be called that. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this is your time, Steve. The nineteen seventies and eighties,

460
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<v Speaker 2>there are these people, the futurists, right. I don't even

461
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<v Speaker 2>know really what it was. But you know the other

462
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<v Speaker 2>great book that Bell wrote that we read in the class,

463
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<v Speaker 2>but it's unbelievable that he wrote this book so much

464
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<v Speaker 2>so half a century ago. Was he predicted that information

465
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<v Speaker 2>was the actual right, the actual money of our capitalism,

466
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<v Speaker 2>not industry. His book was about post industrial economics, and

467
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<v Speaker 2>he predicted everything that's happening now. But in broad strokes,

468
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<v Speaker 2>he didn't say there was going to be an internet,

469
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<v Speaker 2>he didn't say there was going to be you know, email,

470
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<v Speaker 2>but he said that our economy will switch to a

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge economy because the real value is not from manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't he right? I mean that's why he

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<v Speaker 2>was called a futurist, because he was taking sociological trends

474
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<v Speaker 2>and extrapolating them into the future in a very vabarian way, right,

475
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<v Speaker 2>like he's he's So what I realized at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the class was he was the last sociology was

477
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<v Speaker 2>like Marx, Weber and Durkheim, and now sociologists do studies

478
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<v Speaker 2>of like peer groups and high schools and stuff. But

479
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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was still interested in asking these big questions.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, we read Louis. Louis Heart's quite quite

481
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<v Speaker 2>a bit. In class, we tried to figure out why,

482
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<v Speaker 2>and this goes to both of your points. There's never

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<v Speaker 2>been a Marxist or Socialist party in the United States

484
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<v Speaker 2>that succeeded. And he was really, you know, this was

485
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<v Speaker 2>really interesting to him, and he said one reason was

486
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<v Speaker 2>because I think his hearts was right that we are,

487
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<v Speaker 2>you know, trapped in Lachianism, which I think is I

488
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<v Speaker 2>said in class was a good thing, not a bad thing,

489
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<v Speaker 2>like he found. But that also we deliberately, our founders

490
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<v Speaker 2>deliberately designed a weak constitution, a weak government that made

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<v Speaker 2>it impossible for anyone to take over and overthrow, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lackianism we live in. So I was really I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he really showed to me the power of ideas. But

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<v Speaker 2>he was also, in his way, uniquely American because he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to know, he accepted America was exceptional. He just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to figure out why.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think the problem is that he was wrong

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<v Speaker 3>in some ways about lots of things, but specifically about.

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<v Speaker 2>You would not have liked your view, Lapprecia, that it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was ideas that just sort of caused everything.

501
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<v Speaker 3>Which is why he's wrong, because of course, it's like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't prove it. You can't prove what you're saying. That's

503
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<v Speaker 2>why you and Steve drive me crazy. You guys say

504
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<v Speaker 2>these these things as if they're fact, but there's no evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why I hate it when Steve wants to

506
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<v Speaker 3>go down these pretentious intellectual talks. It's really simple. Of course,

507
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.640
<v Speaker 3>ideas are the most important thing, because it's ideas that

508
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<v Speaker 3>almost did destroy our constitution. I agree with you that

509
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<v Speaker 3>that are we the Founders created a government, a weak

510
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<v Speaker 3>government designed only to do those things that were absolutely

511
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<v Speaker 3>necessary for it to do, especially at the national level.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was the Progressives and they're stupid, half baked

513
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<v Speaker 3>Marxist ideas that nearly ruined this country. That's why we

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<v Speaker 3>have a fourth branch of government in the administrative state.

515
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<v Speaker 3>It's why we have, you know, the belief that government

516
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<v Speaker 3>should solve every problem it. You know, there's all of

517
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<v Speaker 3>these reasons why Progressivism's ideas, which I probably think that

518
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<v Speaker 3>Daniel Bell probably didn't entirely disagree with, ruin this country.

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<v Speaker 3>And excuse me, but I'm going to I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>argue that despite the fact that like you, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>believe Trump fully understands everything that he's doing here. He

522
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<v Speaker 3>is trying to restore us to the point where we

523
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<v Speaker 3>get back to the original understanding and get rid of

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<v Speaker 3>all of the evil that was done by the progressives.

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<v Speaker 3>And I call it evil because they refuse to understand

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<v Speaker 3>human beings. They refuse to understand human nature, they refuse

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<v Speaker 3>to recognize that there's such a thing as natural rights.

528
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<v Speaker 3>Their idea of equality is completely skewed and false, and

529
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<v Speaker 3>again evil. It's equality of result, not quality of opportunity.

530
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<v Speaker 3>It's equity. All of these things are destructive of the

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<v Speaker 3>ideas that make the Constitution successful, and those ideas matter.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing is is that we should have taken

533
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<v Speaker 3>a better lesson from Lincoln. Remember what he says in

534
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<v Speaker 3>the Lyceum address. If you want to keep what the

535
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<v Speaker 3>founding fathers put together, you've got to teach it as

536
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<v Speaker 3>a political religion. You've got to make sure that every person,

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<v Speaker 3>every American citizen, from the time there a baby, gets

538
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<v Speaker 3>the kind of education you got in that high school. John,

539
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<v Speaker 3>That's what Lincoln tells us. And we know that you

540
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<v Speaker 3>were an exception to the rule that that no longer

541
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<v Speaker 3>happens and hasn't happened for years. You had progressives like

542
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<v Speaker 3>Dewey who ruined education. You have others who wanted, you know,

543
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<v Speaker 3>Charles Beard, who wanted to teach that our founders were

544
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<v Speaker 3>not great men. They were just simply greedy capitalists who

545
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<v Speaker 3>wanted to protect their own property. Those ideas matter. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why I can't take someone like Daniel Bell seriously. I

547
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<v Speaker 3>really can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do too. I think you're putting trying to

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<v Speaker 1>put Bell in a box he doesn't fit in.

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<v Speaker 2>But I disagree how you view the progressives too, not

551
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<v Speaker 2>the day's purses, but back then in this sense, in

552
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<v Speaker 2>this sense, I don't think it's evil. I don't. I

553
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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't put this moral view on what they were doing here.

554
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<v Speaker 2>I was so. I was just teaching this in class

555
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<v Speaker 2>last week to the K through twelve teachers, and they

556
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<v Speaker 2>were asking me about progressive So I tried to restore

557
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<v Speaker 2>the importance of Woodrow Wilson, not you know. I mean,

558
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<v Speaker 2>I disagree with what he did, but here's how he

559
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<v Speaker 2>saw it, right. The progressive thought, and Teddy Roosevelt too,

560
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.119
<v Speaker 2>writ it's not just a Democrat or Republican thing. They

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<v Speaker 2>saw the huge changes being wrought by the Industrial Revolution,

562
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<v Speaker 2>huge companies. Uh, there was monopolization, and so they thought

563
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<v Speaker 2>the Founder's Constitution was not up to it. I mean,

564
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<v Speaker 2>they said this openly, that the original constitution couldn't handle

565
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<v Speaker 2>the Industrial Revolution, and so they thought that the government

566
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<v Speaker 2>had to evolve, had to get bigger to be able

567
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<v Speaker 2>to regulate. You know, Steve's favorite statute is, you know,

568
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<v Speaker 2>is just an ultimate production of this progressive view that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get Steve in here to help me

570
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<v Speaker 2>out here. But they, you know, they didn't have They

571
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<v Speaker 2>didn't I don't think thought about it as a moral thing,

572
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<v Speaker 2>that natural law was a morality that had to be rejected.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought they believed it had become I.

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<v Speaker 3>Haven't read enough progressivism then, no, I mean I've read

575
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<v Speaker 3>RJ stuff and they no.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean they thought that. I mean, I don't

577
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<v Speaker 2>think Widgrow Wilson is a particularly admirable guy morally, But

578
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<v Speaker 2>they just thought the the government had to evolve to

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<v Speaker 2>keep pace with the changes wrought by the Industrial Revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were looking around at what was happening in Europe,

581
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<v Speaker 2>particularly Germany. The Prussians were doing a much better job.

582
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<v Speaker 2>They thought of you know, regulating the economy. But I

583
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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's a moral, immoral thing. I think they

584
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<v Speaker 2>were just off. They were wrong about the solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, I hadn't met for I don't think they're

586
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<v Speaker 1>evil men.

587
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<v Speaker 3>I mean eugenics. Eugenics is the natural follow on. No, no, no, no, no,

588
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<v Speaker 3>it's not that eugenics is not some sort of thing

589
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<v Speaker 3>out there that just you know, if your progressives happen

590
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<v Speaker 3>to pick up. It is the natural outcome of progressive

591
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<v Speaker 3>ideology that if there is no human nature, if human

592
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<v Speaker 3>beings are not equal to each other, if some people

593
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<v Speaker 3>are so superior and elite because of their education that

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<v Speaker 3>they can decide for the rest of us, one of

595
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<v Speaker 3>the things that we should probably do is get rid

596
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<v Speaker 3>of them, as they called them, undesirables, and that, as

597
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<v Speaker 3>you know, when all the way to the Supreme Court,

598
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.680
<v Speaker 3>it was a very powerful idea, and it was roundly

599
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<v Speaker 3>embraced by the progressives, not because it was a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of extra thing they thought of. It was integral to

601
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<v Speaker 3>the way they thought of how society should be remade

602
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<v Speaker 3>so that it could it could fulfill some progressive utopia.

603
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<v Speaker 3>Get rid of the dumb people, get rid of the minorities,

604
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<v Speaker 3>get rid of the immigrants, get rid of the disabled,

605
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<v Speaker 3>get rid of the poor because we don't want poor people,

606
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<v Speaker 3>and then we'll have a perfect society. It's a little

607
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<v Speaker 3>bit like the beginning of Shrek.

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<v Speaker 1>So the great book on this subject, and then we're

609
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<v Speaker 1>gonna change. Then we're gonna change subject. But the great

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<v Speaker 1>book on this subject a lot about ten years ago

611
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<v Speaker 1>called Illiberal Reformers by Thomas Leonard, who is a liberal

612
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<v Speaker 1>Princeton historian. But boy, you read that book about all

613
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<v Speaker 1>the people Lucretia's talking about, and you can't think they're

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<v Speaker 1>very good people. I don't think. But we're gonna leave

615
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<v Speaker 1>that for another day. I hadn't thought we'd get off

616
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<v Speaker 1>in this direction. So fully, let's turn to you, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you might have something interesting and provocative. Not

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<v Speaker 1>you never to say about this survey data out Why

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<v Speaker 1>should back up? By the way, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>been saying for a while that if Kamala Harris was

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<v Speaker 1>elected president or we're going a second term of Joe

622
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<v Speaker 1>Biden that next year on the semi Quinn Centennial Declaration,

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't get the tall ships of nineteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>We would get the slave ships of the sixteen to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen project. And there are some local governments in Washington

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<v Speaker 1>State has said we're going to celebrate the declaration by

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the marginalized voices, in other words, the usual

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<v Speaker 1>lefty slot. So you saw this survey data out from

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<v Speaker 1>a Gallop and Pew both. I think in the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, raising a lot of eyebrows showing that

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<v Speaker 1>among Democrats, and especially younger Democrats, patriotism or pride in

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<v Speaker 1>America has fallen off a cliff And I guess maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't be surprised, But Lucretia, I thought, what should

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<v Speaker 1>we think about this? What should we say about this?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've already given us some of the remedies,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is pretty how much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's ominous, and it really goes back to the

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<v Speaker 3>question of education. It absolutely goes back to the question

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<v Speaker 3>of education. And God, I've been paying attention to this

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<v Speaker 3>debate going on in the academic world about whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not we should reintroduce vivics and you know, that's just

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<v Speaker 3>scary because I know the people who will be in

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<v Speaker 3>charge of new Civics education, and oh my god, there

644
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<v Speaker 3>was a you probably saw it. Steve an awful article

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<v Speaker 3>in the Chronicle of Higher Education about this a few

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago. Here's the problem. How do we teach civics

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<v Speaker 3>to younger generations when they've learned nothing about anything of

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<v Speaker 3>consequence because of progressive ruination of education in America? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>how the only way to do it is to stop

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<v Speaker 3>all education until John can teach more K twelve teachers.

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<v Speaker 3>And if John teaches enough K twelve teachers to spread

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<v Speaker 3>out over the whole country, then I think we'd be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the meantime, teachers go to our universities. Teachers

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<v Speaker 3>go to our universities, and they learn slop. If they

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<v Speaker 3>learn anything about American history, American civics, American national government

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<v Speaker 3>at all. What they learn is wrong. And sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to say again evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Well question for you though, yeah, I mean I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with all that, of course, except you have to answer

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<v Speaker 1>this question, which is why you're Republican. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>that data showed, by the way, is Republicans their pride

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<v Speaker 1>in the countries remain very high, you know, eighty to

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent or higher for decades, and you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a little dip when you get Obama bad

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<v Speaker 1>mouthing and apologize with the country. But so Republicans seem

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<v Speaker 1>somehow immune to these insidious teachings. Why is that? That

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<v Speaker 1>seems to me to point to some deeper problems beyond

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<v Speaker 1>just our rotten education.

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<v Speaker 3>Not entirely, but yes, I get what you're saying. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the choice to be Republican in those cases

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<v Speaker 3>when you're choosing versus Democrat, probably especially now comes with

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<v Speaker 3>it in certain you hold certain beliefs. And therefore, in

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<v Speaker 3>my wildest dreams I cannot imagine, under any circumstances voting

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<v Speaker 3>for a Democrat. Why because to me, the Democratic Party

675
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<v Speaker 3>stands for everything I despise, and that probably became was

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<v Speaker 3>clear just a few minutes ago. We see some Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>out there who struggle with the progressive, illiberal bent of

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<v Speaker 3>their party. But you know, how how can you be

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<v Speaker 3>proud of America when the central theme of your own

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<v Speaker 3>political party is that it's an that you know, America

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<v Speaker 3>is a terrible place, that the American founding was a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of white, racist males. All of those things are

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<v Speaker 3>the central purpose of the party. And let me go

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<v Speaker 3>one step furtherest drives John crazy when I do it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm going to say it. A major tenant now

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<v Speaker 3>that the Democratic Party is embraced is the idea that

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<v Speaker 3>nature does not inform how human beings ought to live,

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<v Speaker 3>and everything about the Democratic Party seems to be denying

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<v Speaker 3>that nature. What I would say is, Republicans who choose

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<v Speaker 3>to be Republicans are are those people who understand maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it's God, maybe they're more religious, maybe I'm not exactly

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<v Speaker 3>sure what it is, but they understand that nature is

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<v Speaker 3>not something to overcome, it's something to guide your life by.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>And and we think everyone who's a Democrat is immoral

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<v Speaker 2>and evil, which is connecting what you said in the

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<v Speaker 2>last segment.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, what I would say is that they

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<v Speaker 3>may be unconscious of the fact that they are aligning

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<v Speaker 3>themselves with a party that believes in evil.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe every Democrat is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. If you want to put it this way, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to summarize the Democratic Party, as I think

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<v Speaker 1>you can, as the party of slavery, secession, and segregation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of their history, yes, historically, right, that

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<v Speaker 1>last one out. But the point is is that if

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<v Speaker 1>they're concentrating on their own history, then maybe they have

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<v Speaker 1>a point. But I think there's a clue here about

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<v Speaker 1>how Democrats, and well, I'll say Trump actually better than Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>who I think have fallen into a mistake of adopting

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<v Speaker 1>liberal and democratic language. So you listen to a democratic

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<v Speaker 1>leader and I think about he Actually this goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to Trump's first inauguration in twenty seventeen. Chuck Schumer was

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<v Speaker 1>the Senator in charge of inauguration that year. So he

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<v Speaker 1>gives a little welcoming remark, and what does he do.

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<v Speaker 1>He lists off all the different types of people in America,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, blacks and Hispanics in this group and that group,

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<v Speaker 1>and gays and all the rest. In other words, the

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<v Speaker 1>typical language of a Democrat is to list different groups,

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<v Speaker 1>emphasizing differences and of course calibrating their degrees of oppression.

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<v Speaker 1>What did Trump say in that inaugural dress? And ever since,

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<v Speaker 1>how does Trump talk about us? He says, doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>what color you are, whether you're black, brown, yellow, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you're all Americans. We're all the same America. There's a start,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a I think a significant implication of

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<v Speaker 1>the differences just in the way the two parties talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Americans and are different citizens, right, Yeah, And I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I think that's they're just disguided. But they're not.

729
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<v Speaker 2>They're not. I mean, all Democrats aren't evil. The Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>Party is like a Republican party. It represents a coalition

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<v Speaker 2>of people. I mean, there are Republicans in the party

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<v Speaker 2>who probably don't believe with don't agree with what Lucretia

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<v Speaker 2>is just saying either, right, like that doesn't make all

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans evil. They are aspects of what Trump's doing which

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<v Speaker 2>are not I think true to natural rights, particularly as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, excessive intervention in the economy, I think, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't think Lincoln thought everyone in the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party was evil either or you know, some of

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<v Speaker 2>it is some people think things which are wrong, some

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<v Speaker 2>people think things which are moral in the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But when Lincoln say we shouldn't think of them as

742
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<v Speaker 2>the enemy, but does no, not them?

743
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<v Speaker 3>I think of their ideas as the enemy because those

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<v Speaker 3>ideas would destroy our constitution, our constitutional republic, and our

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<v Speaker 3>way of life. Because they've done a very good job

746
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<v Speaker 3>so far of doing that. And the fight is against

747
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the ideas, not the people. The fight is against the ideas,

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<v Speaker 3>not the people. That's what it comes down to. In

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<v Speaker 3>the same way that I would never discriminate against a

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<v Speaker 3>person who is Muslim for any reason. I find Islam

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest source of evil in the world today. The

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<v Speaker 3>ideas here are what matters, and the whole point of

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<v Speaker 3>this is to try to convince people of why the

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<v Speaker 3>ideas are wrong. Steve the reason I mentioned and fanticide,

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<v Speaker 3>Yesterday was a great day. Yesterday was an amazingly great day.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what happened yesterday? They defunded Planned Parenthood out

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<v Speaker 3>of the federal budget. Finally, I mean, what in a

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful thing? And I won't they shouldn't even bring it up.

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<v Speaker 3>But my friend A Hadley has to be happy about that.

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<v Speaker 3>We had some debates with him before the election and

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't want to support Republicans Trump because they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>go far enough. But no president, no matter how much

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<v Speaker 3>they gave lip service in the past, managed to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's there's an example. I mean, that's the progressives

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<v Speaker 3>have embraced abortion as a right above all rights. If

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<v Speaker 3>that's not evil, and the kind of rhetoric they used

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<v Speaker 3>to support it. If that's not evil, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what is. And it is now the case that for

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost a clear division. Democrats support without limit, because

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<v Speaker 3>that's the party line, abortion up into birth, and Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat apt is it. I'll leave it like that, And

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<v Speaker 3>so you know that to me, that's to embrace the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of abortion and to be taken in by something like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a woman's right to choose what she wants to

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<v Speaker 3>do with her own body. What a dumb thing to say,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's compelling for some reason to Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think that there is something several layers of

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<v Speaker 1>meaning to be made out of the fact that Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>and now maybe people self sort of understand that, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans seem to be immune from the Howard zenification

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<v Speaker 1>of our education in the schools, and maybe that comes

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<v Speaker 1>down Yeah, well, okay, I said that I did not

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<v Speaker 1>like the way too many Republicans start using the language

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<v Speaker 1>of the left, that that makes a rhetorical concession they

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't And that's by the way, Steve right. Well, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the things Trump said he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to do next year on the semi Quinn centennial is

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<v Speaker 1>have a UFC fight on the White House lawn.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, see this is what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>No, see, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean no, I I have The spectacle amuses me,

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<v Speaker 2>but that shows he doesn't really understand anything of me.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever watched I was possibly consistent?

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever watched.

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<v Speaker 3>Where Trump is there?

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<v Speaker 5>John?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What has that got to do though? With the revolution

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<v Speaker 2>and the founder? Because I would think.

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<v Speaker 3>That of all of the sports, if you can call

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<v Speaker 3>it that, of all the entertainment out there available to

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<v Speaker 3>Americans and you know, celebrated by Americans, that UFC is

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<v Speaker 3>the most patriotic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh come on, It's two people beating the hell of.

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<v Speaker 3>Each other, and it's and you know, it's open. But

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<v Speaker 3>what you see very very often, even in the ring

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<v Speaker 3>with the loud mouth fighters and so forth, is that

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<v Speaker 3>American patriotism comes through. And many times it's people who

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<v Speaker 3>have been from countries like Brazil and others who recognize

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<v Speaker 3>what it is about America that makes it great.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you what is it about this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fighting that makes America great?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm

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<v Speaker 3>seeing is the whole culture of UFC from the watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometime when culture it's a lack of culture. That's UFC.

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<v Speaker 3>And what happens when Trump walks into the UFC. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't see. I mean, it used to be NASCAR was patriotic.

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<v Speaker 3>We got that stupid eat it Bubba whatever his name is,

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<v Speaker 3>whining every other day about how he's oppressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>There, they put a noose in my garage. It was

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<v Speaker 3>it was a garage pull. Oh oh, let's get the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI out. I mean, all of those other sports have

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<v Speaker 3>become corrupted by the left. The UFC is the most

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<v Speaker 3>patriotic sport out there. Well, I don't even watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Audience you mean you mean the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's one thing, there's one more dimension that I

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<v Speaker 1>think Lucretia leaves out. By the way, I was on

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<v Speaker 1>your side John against Lucretia on the Daniel Bell question.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with Lucretia's side on this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, which, what is your defense of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Here's why it's savage.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so there's no this is the worst of

835
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 2>it entertainment. It's like, I mean, really, it's just it's

836
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.400
<v Speaker 2>just professional wrestling. But you said professional wrestling is also

837
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not at all American, but the spectacle around it

838
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.360
<v Speaker 2>is very people waving American talented asset.

839
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>May I interject and say, there is a it's a

840
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.880
<v Speaker 1>bit of a morality play going on now. Professional wrestling

841
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.280
<v Speaker 1>is completely fake, but UFC has good guys and bad guys.

842
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a melodrama of sorts. And so I think, by

843
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the way, there is a Lucreatia may dislike this comparison.

844
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a connection between Trump's perception of fake

845
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>news and what you might call fake sports. It's not

846
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 1>completely fake, I'm not saying that, but it is people

847
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.239
<v Speaker 1>know that this is an entertainment. You put your finger

848
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 1>on the right phrase, John, it's entertainment, but it takes

849
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 1>on a sort of a moral character, on a patriotic

850
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 1>character that the other sports, despite having the national anthem

851
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 1>song and having the flag on the field, have generally

852
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.159
<v Speaker 1>let erode from them. And it does huge box office.

853
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 1>The fact that it's not a sport the elites like,

854
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and so the New York Times ignores it, the networks

855
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 1>ignores it. They're ignoring this huge phenomenon in our culture.

856
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it either, Hill. I had some very

857
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 1>shrewd people point out to me the late John von

858
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Cannon used to go to professional wrestling, and I was

859
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 1>always found that astonishing, right, But okay, you don't get it.

860
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 1>You never will.

861
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 3>There's not the two. Professional wrestling and UFC are not

862
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.960
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. UFC just means that they got m

863
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 3>m A training, whether whatever, mixed martial arts training. They

864
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.360
<v Speaker 3>are the best of the best. John, this is not

865
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 3>hull Cogan out there throwing people around, fake. This is real.

866
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 3>I like watching because I.

867
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Don't like the vib gladiatorials games were the high a

868
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 2>great expression to know there's just the savage and brutal.

869
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. I mean, it's uh. I guess

870
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the only comparison overseas I can think of right off

871
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 1>hand would be bullfighting right in Spain, and.

872
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.280
<v Speaker 2>I've been to that. I didn't get that either.

873
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I.

874
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Watch it, by the way I would. I wanted the

875
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 2>ball to gore so many Spaniards it was not fair.

876
00:49:59.079 --> 00:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>I really wanted the.

877
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 1>To win something else. You don't get John to change

878
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 1>subjects and take us out today.

879
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Listeners, Let's have some comments on.

880
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 2>That one, yes, please, but on whether the bullshit. What

881
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to do is let a bowl loose in

882
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.320
<v Speaker 2>one of those uf C rings and see if those mma,

883
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>guys could stop a bull right.

884
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>All right, John. Something else you don't get is well, uh,

885
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 1>well music, I'm gonna put it that way. So in

886
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>that Unplugged episode three weeks ago, you threw calumnies at

887
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 1>me saying, you know this is Unplugged episode. You know

888
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.559
<v Speaker 1>you used to have studio albums, but now you know,

889
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.599
<v Speaker 1>you get the unplubbed album where things like Steve, like

890
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Moog synthesizers are gone.

891
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Steve, you you defended like didn't you defend air supply

892
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 2>and Earth?

893
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 1>No? No, no, no, no, no.

894
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:48.960
<v Speaker 2>You know you know other seventies.

895
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 1>No no, not those guys. Air supply was eighties and

896
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Clint Bullocks remains a fan of air supply, which I've oh,

897
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I know it's horrible stuff. But look, I'll just say

898
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 1>this late on a mark. You are getting yourself on

899
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 1>the wrong side of the person in my household that

900
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewitt likes to refer to as the lovely and

901
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>talented Missus Hayward. And I'll let you know and let

902
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>listeners know that next month, the Lovely and Talented Missus

903
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Hayward is playing and singing in a duo in Upstate

904
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:22.039
<v Speaker 1>New York with Adrian Blue. Now you're gonna say, of course,

905
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 1>who's Adrian Blue?

906
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 5>Right?

907
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Never heard of him? I figured he's He's progressive rock

908
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>royalty from the seventies. He was in King Crimson, he

909
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.079
<v Speaker 1>played guitar and backup singer in the Talking Heads, and

910
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>he was the tour guitarist for David Bowie.

911
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.559
<v Speaker 2>So he's gonna wear a big suit too. He's he

912
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna wear one of those gigantic big.

913
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Suits like David Burns.

914
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Like no, Steve is like one of Steve suits before

915
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:44.119
<v Speaker 2>he lost weight.

916
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 1>But here's another question for you, John. There was the

917
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:53.719
<v Speaker 1>time of the bi centennial in seventy six, a song

918
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.679
<v Speaker 1>that Elton John put out in tribute another big No

919
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.199
<v Speaker 1>No no Ah, I see You Increase you gave it away.

920
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna quiz John to see if he was

921
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>familiar with it. It's an absolutely dreadful tune conversation. So

922
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.599
<v Speaker 1>of course you are. That was part of the point

923
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 1>was to appall you. Uh uh. The The point is, John,

924
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:16.199
<v Speaker 1>no one's going to recall that song next year because

925
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.920
<v Speaker 1>it's something I've never heard it. Oh well, uh well,

926
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I'll play a few bars for listeners can remember the

927
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 1>full pain of it.

928
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 4>See, I told you it was awful.

929
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 1>By the way, John, it's not the synthesizer. It was

930
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the melotron that revolutionized rocking the music. You don't even

931
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>know the difference. There's a huge.

932
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Difference, Steve. You sound like the dungeon Master and dungeons

933
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.280
<v Speaker 2>and dragons or something. Now there's a big difference between

934
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.760
<v Speaker 2>the wizard and the magician. Come on, don't you know anything?

935
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, so, first of all, I'll just assert this that

936
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the melotron did for rock and roll what smartphones did

937
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:17.599
<v Speaker 1>for cellular communications twenty years ago. And by the way,

938
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and it starts, everybody always slags me for liking progressive

939
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 1>rock and roll, or, as Jody Bottom put it, rock

940
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and roll that went to college, because I.

941
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Just will slag you for talking about it.

942
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, but no, no, I'm on him for liking it.

943
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what progressive rock is. Aggressive, well,

944
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 2>automatically not win anything progressive, Steve.

945
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, ah, this is the one exception why because it

946
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:47.519
<v Speaker 1>is inherently conservative in some respects. It represented, yes, it

947
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 1>represented a rebellion two and reaction against where rock and

948
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.119
<v Speaker 1>roll music was going in the late seventies, late sixties.

949
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean not late seventies, which was complete nihilism, by

950
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the way, some of the leading problem state nihilism. Yeah, well, no, no.

951
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:08.039
<v Speaker 2>It's I'm serious. I want to under explain this. How

952
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.880
<v Speaker 2>are they worshiping it the altar of Nietzsche and then

953
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:12.719
<v Speaker 2>we're saved?

954
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:16.159
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, progressive rock. Well, I am happy to

955
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>be your tutor, John, because you clearly need it. You

956
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.400
<v Speaker 1>cretnous philistine. So, first of all, when I say that

957
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 1>sixties late sixties rock was increasingly nihilistic, what I have

958
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.159
<v Speaker 1>in mind is that it was increasingly politicized. It was

959
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 1>self consciously part of the protest movement that grew up

960
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Speaker 1>with a student New Left.

961
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

962
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the stylings heavily degenerated from the Beatles romances.

963
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>It was the acid rock of Jimmy Hendrix and the

964
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 1>early drug culture of people like the Grateful Dead. But

965
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the proud rock people come along and they do several

966
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Speaker 1>things differently. First of all, they drew away from, you know,

967
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.079
<v Speaker 1>the acid guitar stuff of Hendrix and people like that.

968
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

969
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>The melotron, you say, you don't know what it is.

970
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.559
<v Speaker 1>It's a highly unusual instrument that no longer really exists.

971
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Because it's all digitized. But in those days it was

972
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:05.159
<v Speaker 1>actually tape loops of different orchestral sounds and connected to

973
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.079
<v Speaker 1>a keyboard, and when you pressed a key on a melotron,

974
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:10.800
<v Speaker 1>you were actually then playing a tape at the back

975
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 1>of the machine that had certain orchestral sounds in it.

976
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 1>It was impossible to do that before. Then. The synthesizer

977
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 1>is a different thing. It's really just a souped up organ.

978
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.039
<v Speaker 1>The second thing to say about it is this was

979
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>challenging music. I mean, all those early progressive rock bands

980
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:29.239
<v Speaker 1>starting in nineteen seventy they did twenty minute songs. They

981
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:33.039
<v Speaker 1>weren't interested in airplay, they weren't interested in conventional popularity.

982
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.760
<v Speaker 1>They got no radio airplay. In other words, they're kind

983
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of like this podcast. And in third, they weren't part

984
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 1>of the protest or the political scene at all, with

985
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a couple of partial exceptions, they were influenced, believe it

986
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.760
<v Speaker 1>or not, by epic poetry, things like even Ts Eliott,

987
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.519
<v Speaker 1>and so it represented a as I say, a rebellion to,

988
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.280
<v Speaker 1>a reaction against where rock and roll was going. And

989
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.400
<v Speaker 1>think what replaced it or rivaled it in the mid seventies.

990
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.800
<v Speaker 1>It was the horrible stuff like disco and later on

991
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 1>punk rock, which were rebellions of their own. So I think, John,

992
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 1>to complete the torture, I need to inflict upon you

993
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a couple of samples of what the early melotron did,

994
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>just because it's good for your soul. Starting with one

995
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 1>of the classic King Crimson tunes or another classic early

996
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 1>moment of the melotron is Watcher of the Skies from

997
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I think the second or third album by Genesis. Okay,

998
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.199
<v Speaker 1>So those are just some opening bars of some very

999
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.119
<v Speaker 1>long songs that get a lot more complicated, and I

1000
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 1>know they won't impress you very much at all, John,

1001
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 1>But the point is when you got into the middle

1002
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.599
<v Speaker 1>of some of these long and complicated arrangements, the old

1003
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 1>dominating electric is conspicuously missing, like from this short sample

1004
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 1>from one of the more obscure tunes from Yes in

1005
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:21.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy or seventy one. Okay, So you get the idea,

1006
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.599
<v Speaker 1>and thus ends your tutorial in the greatness of the melotron.

1007
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I will just mention for listeners who are familiar with

1008
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.000
<v Speaker 1>some of the names that among other leaders of the genre,

1009
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Rick Wakeman, one of the premier keyboardists who pioneered the

1010
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.239
<v Speaker 1>use of the melotron. He was a huge Thatcherite in

1011
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Britain in the seventies and eighties, for example. But no,

1012
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go through the musicology sense of

1013
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the noise in the Fens Lucretia, I think. But I

1014
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.079
<v Speaker 1>do think, though, John, I find.

1015
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.199
<v Speaker 2>This really interesting your effort to link pop music to

1016
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 2>political philosophy. You know, no bounds to the depths you

1017
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>will travel to win your argument.

1018
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say that the I'd say the golden age

1019
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.079
<v Speaker 1>of prog rock lasted less than a decade, and that's

1020
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 1>an important point, and it begins in nineteen seventy. Coincidentally,

1021
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:11.639
<v Speaker 1>the same year the Clean Air Act was passed. All

1022
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>of our listeners to say they want to it is.

1023
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.599
<v Speaker 3>An uplifting show, and instead we're all going to fall

1024
00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 3>asleep into a deep coma from boredom. No, you won't

1025
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.679
<v Speaker 3>Sweet Home Alabama. That's not progressive rock. That's a good

1026
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.440
<v Speaker 3>old rock and roll. Sorry, and that's the best most

1027
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 3>conservative song there is.

1028
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Correct. I will say this that I think prog rock

1029
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 1>in some ways the style of it explains this podcast,

1030
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 1>because unlike Yankee Doodle Dandy with a two four simple

1031
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.239
<v Speaker 1>time signature. A lot of prog rock had different artists

1032
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 1>or different members of a band playing different time signatures,

1033
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 1>changing them up. It'd be like fourteen thirteen time exactly

1034
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the way we do this show, right, Okay, it all

1035
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 1>came apart, and I think I can explain the details. Well.

1036
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 1>It ends with when prague rock tried to especially Yes

1037
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.159
<v Speaker 1>tried to equal Elton john for really bad takes on

1038
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.800
<v Speaker 1>American music. I don't know if you can remember back

1039
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to the twenty sixteen primary campaign, but Bernie Sanders had

1040
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a very fetching television spot that was set to the

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<v Speaker 1>old Simon and Garfunkle Standard America, which was, you know

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<v Speaker 1>about a bus strip from New Jersey to Michigan, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's very sentimental, and she struck some patriotic notes.

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<v Speaker 3>To them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then Yes decided they were going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>cover of it, and it couldn't be any worse and

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00:59:51.840 --> 01:00:15.280
<v Speaker 1>farther away from any kind of genuine Americana Jacobs, that's

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01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.079
<v Speaker 1>where it all starts to fall apart, and by nineteen

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01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:18.880
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine it's all kind of gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just make a point to this progressive rock

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01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you speak of, it's really it really comes from Great Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, well, King Crimson, they are partly American gentle

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01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.599
<v Speaker 1>giants British Jeff Brotal. Genesis is I think the premier

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01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 1>band in those early years.

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis is the uber progressive rock band.

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01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, except you only know them from their modern stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, when, as they said, we had to

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<v Speaker 1>start doing some more popular tunes so we could get dates.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's the very male thing, which explains why Lucretia

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01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:50.559
<v Speaker 1>hates it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I prefer men to women any day of the week.

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<v Speaker 3>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, let's see if this just shows

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01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.679
<v Speaker 2>once again your guys, you political philosophers, and your strange

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01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:05.519
<v Speaker 2>inferior already complex to the British and the Europeans, that

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01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you would look to them to save American good Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>not me.

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<v Speaker 3>Give me sweet home Alabama every day of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, I'm not going to get fir I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was that a bunch of inbred secessionists. What is

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<v Speaker 2>that song? John, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard this song Birmingham, We love the Governor's Rightsionist.

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<v Speaker 3>Does your conscience bother you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And tell like Neil Young to go to hell.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm all for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Neil Young. Hope Neil Young will remember this other man.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't need him around anyhow. Yeah, he wasn't the best

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01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:43.880
<v Speaker 3>song ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Neil Young is Canadian, so it

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<v Speaker 1>gets even better. So he's even worse than a Yankee.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, let's uh, let's let's move to our

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<v Speaker 1>Babylon Bees for the week and get out for this

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01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:55.559
<v Speaker 1>special episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, first of all, Happy happy fourth of July,

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01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:04.199
<v Speaker 3>Happy Independent Day. I hope everybody is starting their incredible

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01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:10.239
<v Speaker 3>celebration year long celebration leading up to the actual two

1087
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.800
<v Speaker 3>hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the signing of the Decoration

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01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:16.320
<v Speaker 3>of Independence by drinking, putting off fireworks. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to just tell you guys quickly for fourth

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01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:23.199
<v Speaker 3>of July, my crowning achievement today is I'm making a

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01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:28.320
<v Speaker 3>being cherry bourbon cherry pie. I'll send you a picture

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01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:35.800
<v Speaker 3>and grilling grilling a cowboy rabbi, you know that sort

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01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 3>of thing. Anyway, back to the Babylon Bee and happy

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<v Speaker 3>fourth everyone. I'm going to begin with whale of agony

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01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 3>heard from Satan's office as planned parenthood defunded. You get it, Ah,

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01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.639
<v Speaker 3>that I did not. I did not send what's his

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01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:57.480
<v Speaker 3>name an email and said make sure you have a

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01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.679
<v Speaker 3>Babylon bee. That that proves my point about planned parenthood

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01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:07.159
<v Speaker 3>and abortion being evil. But anyway, Continental Congress reluctantly agrees

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01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:14.679
<v Speaker 3>to trim down name a big, beautiful declaration of independence winning.

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01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:16.639
<v Speaker 3>By the way, John, I saw that article the other

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01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:21.039
<v Speaker 3>day that said we had so much winning that it

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01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:25.599
<v Speaker 3>was now shwinning. And you know, why did you ever

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01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.840
<v Speaker 3>see the watch Wayne's World.

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<v Speaker 1>Wing?

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<v Speaker 3>This is such great winning this past week that it's shwinning. Okay,

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01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 3>journalists up late trying to decide whether to compare Trump's

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01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.360
<v Speaker 3>bill to Jim Crow or the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, o ed.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem with kids these days is not enough of

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01:03:53.280 --> 01:04:01.360
<v Speaker 3>them smoke cigarettes. Subway names Diddy as new spokesman.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh god, oh man report Trump bill will cause one

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01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 5>hundred and seventy five billion people to lose Medicaid and die.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's fun to watch. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we didn't even talk about that, which I know

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01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:25.800
<v Speaker 3>we didn't intend to, because you know a lot of

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01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:27.719
<v Speaker 3>people have talked about it, and this is our fourth

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01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.679
<v Speaker 3>of July edition, But it really was a week of

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01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:34.400
<v Speaker 3>winning between the Supreme Court, just at the barely last week,

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<v Speaker 3>the big beautiful bill passing all of the things that

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01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:45.039
<v Speaker 3>happened in foreign policy. So I think we probably, I

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01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:49.800
<v Speaker 3>think we probably should say that winning also makes us patriotic.

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<v Speaker 3>On the fourth of July. I'll leave it at this.

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<v Speaker 3>Cold hearted leftists demand immigrants stay in evil, oppressive states.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a perfect illustration of what I was talking about, John,

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<v Speaker 3>just for you. Okay, I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can start the ending by saying, how first,

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<v Speaker 2>happy July fourth. Everybody happy July fourth, Steve and Lucretia,

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01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:23.760
<v Speaker 2>and always drink your whiskey. Neat and Steve, what new

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01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.679
<v Speaker 2>haiku do you have for us from the our robot

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01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:28.840
<v Speaker 2>overlords about the three whiskey happy hour?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not this week. I'm saving one appropriate for today.

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<v Speaker 1>As Thomas Jefferson said to King George two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine years ago, thank you for your attention to

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<v Speaker 1>this matter. You guys.

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<v Speaker 6>Next week, Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 1>Join the conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Sh