Speaker 1: Okay, it's it's it's ready to go. Thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us again. It's it's a real pleasure again. We
Speaker 1: we got through some awesome questions last time. We have
Speaker 1: a bunch more for you if you are ready.
Speaker 2: To rock, Yes, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: All right, Francis, do you haven't written down?
Speaker 3: I don't have them written down in front of me,
Speaker 3: so I can have you lead. I have a bunch
Speaker 3: of them. Yeah, you know, so go for us. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I listened to your previous interview,
Speaker 3: which was wonderful and had all kinds of nuggets in it.
Speaker 3: Matt and I and a lot of others. You know,
Speaker 3: we read the we read the catalogs, We talk and
Speaker 3: talk about various things. But we're all a little young
Speaker 3: to have actually experienced like basically you and the seed
Speaker 3: Bank kind of starting off.
Speaker 2: Like oh that's okay, kind of like.
Speaker 3: You know you you and and Neville at the seed Bank.
Speaker 3: You two kind of started off what we consider to
Speaker 3: be like the modern seed era, right like before you.
Speaker 4: Nobody could.
Speaker 1: Doesn't cutting out a little bit.
Speaker 4: Right, especially in America.
Speaker 3: We were really curious as to like certain questions, you know,
Speaker 3: for instance, you know you you mentioned before, when did
Speaker 3: you When did you first start seeing like Americans come
Speaker 3: in and bringing their seed lines like Skunk one and
Speaker 3: the Durban or afghany one or these different things.
Speaker 2: Yes, we started in eighty five. And yeah, after one
Speaker 2: year or so, Sad the Skreingman he came to to
Speaker 2: live in Holland. And yeah, he wrote the letter because
Speaker 2: they were running an ad an advertisement in in High
Speaker 2: Times magazine. Neville and the seat Bend did it as well.
Speaker 2: So Sam told that when I go to Holland, let's
Speaker 2: hook copied those two guys and let's talk about seats.
Speaker 2: And I told met the last time in those days,
Speaker 2: we didn't have mad seats. The only seats we have
Speaker 2: we're from from backs of seats that we bought in
Speaker 2: the coffee shops and it was all Sativa's. And so basically,
Speaker 2: Sam the skreing Man brought all the seats from the
Speaker 2: US to Amsterdam. And of course the next one was
Speaker 2: Robert Old Clark, a friend of Sam screwing Man. And
Speaker 2: after that a few more came. And the nice thing
Speaker 2: about it is the seats came from the US to Amsterdam.
Speaker 2: Then we started to send it to the US again
Speaker 2: and now it's again that we are looking to the
Speaker 2: US to buy seats again from from you guys. It's
Speaker 2: we were first more liberal than you were because in
Speaker 2: eighty five that it never has been legal let to
Speaker 2: go in Holland. But in eighty five, in those in
Speaker 2: the beginning, no, not a lot of people that knew
Speaker 2: about cannabis, and so basically we had we could do
Speaker 2: what we want because nobody knew about it and nobody
Speaker 2: even the police didn't really take they let they let
Speaker 2: us do what we wanted to do. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's and then Ampterdam, there were a few more. We're
Speaker 2: not brining. Of course he was really the first one
Speaker 2: with the seed bank, but he didn't it's international. It
Speaker 2: was only from for Holland. And he was really Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's older than me as well. And he also started
Speaker 2: to work the coffee shop. The first gross shop is
Speaker 2: it the posit products the positors and the coffee shop
Speaker 2: is the Mellow Yellow. And he's still around. He invented
Speaker 2: more or less not a Rick Simpson oil, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. He calls it Madie Wheat, Maddie Wheat oil.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he has a good he really does a
Speaker 2: lot of good work because he basically introduced to the
Speaker 2: Dutch patients how to make your own oil. He wants
Speaker 2: to teach the people how to do it. He wants
Speaker 2: that everybody is an independent and independent from pharmaceuticals. You
Speaker 2: need to make your own medicine. And I'm fully agree
Speaker 2: with it. Yes, so he really he's still around. And
Speaker 2: come back to the question, Sam, the screaming man, he's
Speaker 2: nearly the man who brought everything to Amsterdam.
Speaker 1: Really, did you have any interactions with keys Hawker from
Speaker 1: Loveland Seeds?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's houl he's older already. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Because the thing is they they tried to push that,
Speaker 2: as we call it, the native wet, Yeah, basically growing
Speaker 2: your own backyard. And we were more we thought the
Speaker 2: judgment to call the rain near the wet and let's
Speaker 2: go indoors because we we we saw it, We saw
Speaker 2: it happening in the US, and we were we were
Speaker 2: readers of High Times magazine and we were lucky enough
Speaker 2: to have the American Bookstore in the Hague, so we
Speaker 2: went there every month to buy the newest and show
Speaker 2: them what what what in America was going on? And
Speaker 2: that's more or less. I was started, Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: You got another one, Francis.
Speaker 3: I was just you know, so, so when when Sam
Speaker 3: came over there, and I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things now that that are legendary and famous, like Skunk
Speaker 3: one and Haze and all that. But I saw those things.
Speaker 3: Those were probably just names on a bag of seeds. Uh,
Speaker 3: let's throw those Your connection sucks.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand. I didn't hear what the lost sentence.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was just gonna say, like for us, Skunk
Speaker 3: one and Haze and those type of things are very
Speaker 3: very famous strains, and they kind of became like the
Speaker 3: backbone of what you guys were doing over there for
Speaker 3: a while. It was it like to those things at first.
Speaker 4: And when you first we.
Speaker 2: Were very happy, especially with the skuntling morn, because we
Speaker 2: were not used to see these kind of big butts.
Speaker 2: And yeah, stable genetics because yeah, you can imagine if
Speaker 2: you grow outdoors in all a sativa strained from the Ecuador, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't flower. It flowers this in December, and in
Speaker 2: December it's cold and rain and snow. So we didn't
Speaker 2: we never ever had seen even the buts, you know,
Speaker 2: so this was a big game change a when he
Speaker 2: came with his uh stuff and especially the skirt number
Speaker 2: one and the haze. I told him in the first interview.
Speaker 2: He gave us ten seats, the last seat he saved
Speaker 2: from his favorite variety, and he gave the other ten
Speaker 2: seats to Neville. And yeah, we didn't pay too much
Speaker 2: attention to the haze because it was long flowering and
Speaker 2: only very very small bits, and it was really we
Speaker 2: were so happy with the Skook number one that we
Speaker 2: almost forgot about the hate. Luckily enough, we made crosses
Speaker 2: between Skirin number one and Hayes. Yeah, because we had
Speaker 2: ten plans and yeah, two two times we were invested
Speaker 2: by the police and they took all our hases and
Speaker 2: we had only one left. I even don't know anymore
Speaker 2: if it was, if it was a boy or a girl,
Speaker 2: but already made the seats with the Skunk number one,
Speaker 2: and I still have a lot of seats that we
Speaker 2: made between crosses between our ten hazes. I tried to
Speaker 2: germinate it, and it really doesn't work anymore because the
Speaker 2: problem was I I kept them outside the refragerator for
Speaker 2: ten years. I put them in a refrigerator and now
Speaker 2: I still have them, so maybe it'd be some of
Speaker 2: your listeners. Yeah, culture, because in my opinion, a seat
Speaker 2: where there's only one sell a live still. Basically you
Speaker 2: could reproduce it. But if the government, I don't think
Speaker 2: they want to help us with it. If they find
Speaker 2: in a seat of a wheat in a pyramid in Egypt,
Speaker 2: we'll make sure that this is going to work again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but with cannabis seeds, I still we still have to
Speaker 2: find somebody who can help us because I think the
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, cultures life somewhere in those seats. Still.
Speaker 2: Of course, it would be nice to germinate it. I
Speaker 2: gave it to a few people who were told we
Speaker 2: will be the man is because I know how to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a pity of course. And to come
Speaker 2: back to your urban poison. Yeah, in those days, we
Speaker 2: had an Ampterdem coffee shop. It was called the Burban
Speaker 2: Poison and the only thing they sold was wheat from
Speaker 2: South Africa. I don't remember the names anymore, but the
Speaker 2: major thing they sold urban poison. And that's so why
Speaker 2: we we had quite a few crosses in our first
Speaker 2: catalog with Derban poison because we bought see, we bought
Speaker 2: wheat from them and we picked up seeds and together
Speaker 2: with skirn crumber one, all the crosses, all the crosses
Speaker 2: with skunk crumber one gave us more early flowering, bigger
Speaker 2: and a nice smell. So it was basically a winter combination.
Speaker 2: Is that even the skins number one do.
Speaker 1: You remember what any of the smell profiles of the
Speaker 1: different sku number ones that you pop back in the
Speaker 1: day were like, yeah.
Speaker 2: There's the The skull number one was really like the
Speaker 2: name tell the name tells it all. It stinks.
Speaker 1: So back then it actually smelled like skunks like North America.
Speaker 2: I really, to be honest, I never have smell smelled
Speaker 2: the spoon any mill. But it was more about the
Speaker 2: that it was so strong. It was really strong. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in my hate that I have, you can still smell
Speaker 2: in the back you smell the skunk, the strong smell
Speaker 2: of the screw number one, yea. And together with the
Speaker 2: with the with the hazy it gets you like there's
Speaker 2: a lot. The old school hazes is very Freney planned
Speaker 2: because if you make an analysis of it, there is
Speaker 2: all there's only a proof scene that's the only terpin
Speaker 2: that's in it. Yeah, and not too much as well.
Speaker 2: But if you smoke it, it's really the true smell
Speaker 2: and taste that I have ever seen in wheat. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a big mystery, and I'll know it's about turpens.
Speaker 2: How is it possible that the plant with only one
Speaker 2: and not a lot of it can smell so strong
Speaker 2: and taste so strong? Yeah? Do you know the answer.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Hey, Francis, you might want to turn down your mic.
Speaker 2: Listeners.
Speaker 1: Will you take the next few questions?
Speaker 4: I gotta go use the restaurant.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean so so when you so Basically,
Speaker 3: when you first got it, it was skunk number one
Speaker 3: was an early finishing, big bud, very pretty.
Speaker 4: It smelled like a skunk. Did it smell like did
Speaker 4: it smell like citrus? Too? It was there?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, not at all, no no no,
Speaker 2: it was more the dark side of the like the earthy,
Speaker 2: woody Yes, yes it was not. No, no, no, not
Speaker 2: any sweetness, no, not any any seat to us in it.
Speaker 3: Because what we're familiar with as younger people is skunk
Speaker 3: number one smells like floral.
Speaker 4: It smells sweet it smells.
Speaker 3: So you're saying that what what Sam brought over first
Speaker 3: is very different than what ended up being common in
Speaker 3: Europe later.
Speaker 2: That's yes, yeah, yeah, because Skook number one and there
Speaker 2: are still a lot of seats bank around and they
Speaker 2: they think or they they know. I don't know that
Speaker 2: they that they still have Skook number one, but that
Speaker 2: there is no Skook number one anymore. The only Scoot
Speaker 2: number one that is around is very diluted, very very deluded,
Speaker 2: really nothing to compare with with the skunk number one anymore.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe when said the screwing Melis, he tells that
Speaker 2: I'm room, but I have never seen it, and I
Speaker 2: think there is there is no skin. There is no
Speaker 2: real skunk number one anymore around.
Speaker 3: That interesting is because when he went there he gave
Speaker 3: seeds to you, he gave some seeds to Neville. It
Speaker 3: sounds like he gave some seeds to Bernard from Positronics
Speaker 3: Mellow Yellow.
Speaker 4: What was the what was the little was the community
Speaker 4: in Amsterdam? Then? Did everyone know each other?
Speaker 2: Because yes, the thing is, we didn't live in Amsterdam,
Speaker 2: we still don't be live in Amsterdam, and there wasn't
Speaker 2: the Ampsterdam scene was more about outdoor growing, and and
Speaker 2: and and and and we we I think we were
Speaker 2: the first ones in Holland to grow indoors. And and
Speaker 2: when when when Sam Sam teached a lot of people
Speaker 2: how to grow in a greenhouse. And since Sam arrived
Speaker 2: and hold On, people started to grow in greenhouses because
Speaker 2: you could do it without a lot of trouble, because
Speaker 2: nobody knew about how it smells and how it looks.
Speaker 2: And basically, the the first five years that them was around,
Speaker 2: a lot of greenhouse growing was going on. And he
Speaker 2: basically teached everybody in alland how to do it. And
Speaker 2: we didn't grow any greenhouse because in our opinion, we
Speaker 2: thought better to do it indors and nobody can see it,
Speaker 2: and it's more safe to do it. But because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, all the all the greenhouses
Speaker 2: were always always bursted. They could do one crop maybe
Speaker 2: second croup was already yeah burst. Because hold On is
Speaker 2: a small country and there is no countryside at all.
Speaker 2: The greenhouses are always close to a village, close to
Speaker 2: a town with a lot of people around hold a
Speaker 2: lot of people living ones, you know.
Speaker 4: Half the country.
Speaker 3: It seems like you reclaimed from the sea, you know, uh.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: Besides Hayes and Skunk, what else did you get from Sam?
Speaker 2: Uh No, we did not get anything else. Neville he
Speaker 2: get he got like early.
Speaker 4: Pearl, early pearl from Rob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, early pearl and a few other ones. But also
Speaker 2: we were not we were not too much in touch
Speaker 2: with Neville because the Nevill's approach was different than our approach.
Speaker 2: We were underground people and we were not really too
Speaker 2: fun to to receive a lot of people we don't
Speaker 2: know in our house. And then and in those days,
Speaker 2: Neville had the the Canabis Castle, and everybody even more
Speaker 2: or less welcome over that, and especially when you came
Speaker 2: with a lot of money to buy seats. Everybody was welcome.
Speaker 2: And we were always more like, let's let's try to
Speaker 2: keep it underground, and let's let's try to do it
Speaker 2: in a more more or less safe way, because we
Speaker 2: didn't want to get cold, and we wanted to go
Speaker 2: one in this business for forever, you know. And Neville
Speaker 2: was more Ada devil, and he was like, I don't
Speaker 2: know who came to his house anymore. I I really
Speaker 2: don't know if he knew. I think so, yeah, because
Speaker 2: a lot of Americans in those days they came to Amsterdam,
Speaker 2: and everybody was welcomed nevill Space, but we were we
Speaker 2: were more careful.
Speaker 4: To we we were just talking.
Speaker 3: We were just talking about a little bit about skunk one,
Speaker 3: a little bit about Sam skunk Man and where he
Speaker 3: got his seeds from. Oh, besides Sam, where were some
Speaker 3: other sources? In the previous conversation you had with Matt,
Speaker 3: you told that a lot of stuff you got you
Speaker 3: were getting off seeds from buds out of coffee shops.
Speaker 3: Were there any other people or sources once you started
Speaker 3: making super Stativa Seed Club?
Speaker 4: Were people coming to find you and trace?
Speaker 2: But they were they were coming to but they couldn't
Speaker 2: find this.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: The only the only one who who could find this
Speaker 2: was at and George Savants and and the chief that
Speaker 2: were five times.
Speaker 4: Stephen Steve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then those were the only
Speaker 2: three people who could face this because we were really
Speaker 2: like we knew what we were, we understood what we
Speaker 2: were doing, you know.
Speaker 3: So then that that leads me to another question. In
Speaker 3: your catalog, you have something called Oakland, Indica.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: As to where that where you got that or where
Speaker 3: it came from.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know it because a few times
Speaker 2: because we had a lot of clients, of course, and
Speaker 2: we we we received a lot of letters in those days,
Speaker 2: and a few times people send us seats, but not
Speaker 2: only a few times. And I think because Oakland that
Speaker 2: that it was somebody from Oakland, because in those days
Speaker 2: we got like one hundred letters every day, you know,
Speaker 2: and it was really fun for us to read all
Speaker 2: those letters. And also we we asked people to help
Speaker 2: us to to to distribute the seats in the US,
Speaker 2: and just we were just reading the letters and he thought, oh,
Speaker 2: this guy is a nice guy because he understands how
Speaker 2: it works and he understands so there was a really
Speaker 2: nice job for me to read all these letters and
Speaker 2: to answer them as well, because we even nowadays still
Speaker 2: get letters from people from from all days. And they
Speaker 2: said a nice to see you back, and do you
Speaker 2: remember that we bought isn't that from you? Of course,
Speaker 2: that's really really funny. And when we started again a
Speaker 2: few years ago, we got a letter from somebody and
Speaker 2: he says, now, yeah, nowadays, mother nature is legal in
Speaker 2: the US.
Speaker 5: And that we really thought a guy who writes a
Speaker 5: letter and said modern nature is legal now you know,
Speaker 5: it used to be illegal.
Speaker 2: But now we are happy that it's legal. And that
Speaker 2: were those were the letters that we really liked of
Speaker 2: people who understood how crazy it is to make mother nature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you got about the Durban Thai high flyer,
Speaker 1: Now that was one of your most famous lines. We
Speaker 1: still see it around to day. Do you have any
Speaker 1: memories surrounding it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's this was a very satifa, pure satifa, of course.
Speaker 2: And also because of Durban is so in the south
Speaker 2: of the world that it's almost in the same latitude
Speaker 2: then holand this. But then so the flowering times they
Speaker 2: are more or less the same than our flowering times
Speaker 2: because we our our our harvest. Our autumn starts in September. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then also the the winter in harvest, it's getting cold.
Speaker 2: So we were lucky to have the Durban flowering so early.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, coffee didn't agree with me.
Speaker 4: I threw up. That's why I left.
Speaker 3: He was we you know, he we were trying to
Speaker 3: talk about, like, you know, who he met and where
Speaker 3: he got things from. Okay, so the Durban was a
Speaker 3: very was the is the one Sativa that's sort of
Speaker 3: an early finisher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it worked well in Holland.
Speaker 2: Yes, and and and and the combination with the tie,
Speaker 2: because the tie is a very very late flowering yeah,
Speaker 2: and then it then it's finished, so like half October
Speaker 2: or something. And that's nice for us, of course, because
Speaker 2: in October sometimes when you're lucky, the weather is still good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But but our our main customers in the US were
Speaker 2: the people from California, the Vietnam veterans, people that back
Speaker 2: from Vietnam. They started to do the Gila farming and
Speaker 2: they really they made money with it as well, so
Speaker 2: they did they sent us a nice amount of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean from our perspective, you know, back then, especially Indica's
Speaker 3: and things like that were pretty rare. And even though
Speaker 3: California and America there was there was you know, there
Speaker 3: was a lot of things going on.
Speaker 4: People didn't know each other.
Speaker 3: So really, like one of the most interesting things about
Speaker 3: what happened with you guys for us is that, you know,
Speaker 3: like you were saying before, a bunch of stuff flowed
Speaker 3: from America over to Amps, over to Holland. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: went everywhere in America. It went to the South, that
Speaker 3: went to the north, New York.
Speaker 2: It went to the and that was our goal. That
Speaker 2: was our goal. That's why we did this, because we thought,
Speaker 2: in those days, yeah, there's no internet, so your your
Speaker 2: your friends lived close to you in the same town,
Speaker 2: so you can swap seets with your friends. But it's
Speaker 2: doesn't spread the whole country, you know. And then and
Speaker 2: since we were starting, we got let the from everybody,
Speaker 2: a lost uh, Texas whatever. And then so we thought,
Speaker 2: when all the refrigerators in these states are filled with seats,
Speaker 2: it's a difficult thing to stop it. There's this movement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Francis, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: lay down for a bit, but I'm gonna leave this going.
Speaker 1: So if you don't see me I start.
Speaker 4: I got a little sick thrown out. You can handle
Speaker 4: it going, we handling.
Speaker 1: No, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Okay, all right, keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are you.
Speaker 3: One one of your biggest varieties that you had, and
Speaker 3: there was something called Basic five. Do you remember much
Speaker 3: about Basic five or some of the hybrids you had
Speaker 3: or the basic five?
Speaker 2: I don't know the Basic five anymore, you don't know?
Speaker 3: Okay, what about the what about your What about the
Speaker 3: creeper or the kyber pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the the creeper, the creeper. We called it
Speaker 2: the creepy because it was really the plant was not upright,
Speaker 2: but it was laying down more or les.
Speaker 3: Oh that's why I always assumed it was the high.
Speaker 2: But it was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it
Speaker 2: was not. It was not about the high. It was
Speaker 2: really about the more logic aspects of the of the
Speaker 2: of the plant. Because normally a plant is like more
Speaker 2: or less like a Christmas treet, but this one was
Speaker 2: like bending over and laying down, you know. And I
Speaker 2: still like this kind of plant plants because they gave
Speaker 2: you a big harvest room for beds, you know. And
Speaker 2: and and the k the kit that was becross it
Speaker 2: with an Afghani I think because of Afghani that and
Speaker 2: hold on the Hush from Afghanistan was really very popular.
Speaker 2: And I don't know where we got the seats from it,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know anymore.
Speaker 3: Now, did you guys ever grow flowers for coffee shops
Speaker 3: or did you just focus on seeds?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, because we did. We were
Speaker 2: growing for the coffee shops as well. Yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 2: they liked our indoor wheat because it was quite, it
Speaker 2: was new, and in those days, we we were worrying
Speaker 2: a little bit about the fact that our wheat was
Speaker 2: green because people they were used to to buy marijuana
Speaker 2: was always brown, so half rotten meat as we call
Speaker 2: it now, and and and our indoor marijuana was green.
Speaker 2: So we thought, oh, nobody's going to buy this because
Speaker 2: they don't because green. The only green marijuana we knew
Speaker 2: was that was the native wheat, and that was the
Speaker 2: wheat that we grew in our backyard and it didn't
Speaker 2: have birds, it was only leaves, and it was green.
Speaker 2: So we were afraid that people thought our wheat was
Speaker 2: neither beat. So we tried to make it. We tried
Speaker 2: to make it brown to to to be able to
Speaker 2: to to sell it. But after a few and I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe after a year, everybody said, I don't know,
Speaker 2: the green ones is the best one? Is smith better
Speaker 2: than the brown man? No mind, don't worry about the color.
Speaker 2: Will we buy it anyway? So yeah, that was really
Speaker 2: that was a really friendy thing that we really peop
Speaker 2: were really worried about the green color.
Speaker 3: It really were because it was so because the part
Speaker 3: about that is that everything was so new.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that was new. It was new. And the
Speaker 2: first since Themilia that I saw in Holland that was somebody.
Speaker 2: And then one year we were lucky enough to have
Speaker 2: a good September in holand normally it's raining in September already,
Speaker 2: but in this September there was a lot of sun.
Speaker 2: So in the coffee shop where I worked, somebody came
Speaker 2: with a garbage bag full of big birds and they
Speaker 2: were not primmed at all, and I thought, where does
Speaker 2: this come from? Because we really didn't. It was the
Speaker 2: first time we saw a green tick bird plant. But
Speaker 2: this was also I think a durban poison or something
Speaker 2: that he was lucky to grow some urban poison seeds
Speaker 2: in a year that we had a very good, nice September,
Speaker 2: so the plant was to finish. And that was really
Speaker 2: the first time that I saw sinzemia as because of that.
Speaker 4: You got into weed was by working in a coffee shop.
Speaker 2: Yes, I worked in a coffee shop when I was
Speaker 2: like eighteen years or nineteen years old, and then one
Speaker 2: of our customers came.
Speaker 6: To me and he said, I I am I I'm
Speaker 6: a reader of High Times magazine, and I saw how
Speaker 6: they grew, how they grow plants already because at Rosendhal
Speaker 6: was one of the first to start it all days,
Speaker 6: I think in the US. And this guy said, I
Speaker 6: bought a metal heirlight lamp because we have a big
Speaker 6: horticulture center here and all that. And in those days,
Speaker 6: the greenhouse grower they they used it to grow catty
Speaker 6: the metal airlines. And he went there to buy a
Speaker 6: lamp and he said, I want to grow and I
Speaker 6: want to start to use it.
Speaker 2: And I thought, I live in the squat house, and
Speaker 2: let's do it. And Okay, that's how it started. Because
Speaker 2: this guy, he didn't he was reader of High Times magazine.
Speaker 2: Saw in High Times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you so most of most of super
Speaker 3: Stativa Seed Club's work was all done indoors, whether you
Speaker 3: were growing buds for coffee shops or whether you were
Speaker 3: making seed.
Speaker 2: For your Yes, yeah we did.
Speaker 4: We did everything, kept it inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was all because of Yeah we did
Speaker 2: it was it told it's too cold inland, you know,
Speaker 2: and in a greenhouse it's the holand is too crowded
Speaker 2: to grow in a greenhouse, and it's.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Everybody got caught always in the greenhouse.
Speaker 4: So we were growing. Did you have garages? Were you
Speaker 4: growing in bedrooms?
Speaker 2: We had garages, and we bought at one point we
Speaker 2: bought a house, especially with the luid and no, no,
Speaker 2: and I know those we were scrouters. You know what
Speaker 2: scuoters are. Yes, And if you are a scoter, you
Speaker 2: always have a house. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you you squatted in the house and then you
Speaker 3: set up some lights, and you set up some rooms
Speaker 3: to do breeding and grow weed, and you sold the
Speaker 3: weed to the coffee shops and you sold seed catalog.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and we were we were squatter,
Speaker 2: but we earned a lot of money.
Speaker 4: That's very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're not in it for the money man,
Speaker 2: because but it was nice to have money to do that.
Speaker 2: A lot of money came to us, of course, but
Speaker 2: it was not really our the basic thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The funny thing for us is that now you know,
Speaker 3: there's so many seed companies in America and there's a
Speaker 3: lot of seed company in Europe and everything like that.
Speaker 3: But when when you guys started and when Neville started,
Speaker 3: there was really only you two. Yeah, that was easy.
Speaker 3: Like you said, if you went to Positronics, if you
Speaker 3: went to Holland and went directly to certain coffee shops.
Speaker 3: Maybe you could get some seed in order to order things.
Speaker 3: There was only two Yeah really, so that your that
Speaker 3: your company stuff and Nevill's company stuff got spread so
Speaker 3: far and wide.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But but when netll stopped, sense the Seats
Speaker 2: took over.
Speaker 4: The took over and they bought.
Speaker 2: Basically that's how sens you started. They bought netll stopped
Speaker 2: and then they started and the name Sensy Seats and
Speaker 2: the Ben Drunk, the one that's the guy who started.
Speaker 2: Is this is really a big, a big thanks to
Speaker 2: Ben because he was really the guy with the biggest balls,
Speaker 2: you know, he went on very very started where we stopped.
Speaker 3: So do you think that did Nevill's sell his company
Speaker 3: to Ben and Allen because of the trouble he got in?
Speaker 2: I think? So? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you were in the community back then? Were you
Speaker 3: ever we like, was it a small enough community that
Speaker 3: you were close to a lot of these people?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yet, But the thing is I said before, we
Speaker 2: were not really we were. We had our own group
Speaker 2: of people and we were not we we didn't live
Speaker 2: in Amsterdam, you know. So so you didn't.
Speaker 4: Live in Amsterdam, you lived in different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we lived in the Hague. That's that's close
Speaker 2: to Amsterdam. But so we we we we we trying
Speaker 2: to be to be honest, we tried to stay out
Speaker 2: of all those groups.
Speaker 4: Tried to keep your head and stay quiet and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes that's the idea. Really And we were not like
Speaker 2: behaving like work stops or something. We were just we
Speaker 2: were just quoted running a kind of received business.
Speaker 3: So how did how did how did like Jorge Servantes
Speaker 3: and Ed Rosenthal, how did they find you?
Speaker 4: Did you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? They centered the letter. Yeah, they write it
Speaker 2: because in those days you wrote.
Speaker 4: Letters to people.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, and you put you put the stamp on
Speaker 2: the envelope and then you put it in the mailbox.
Speaker 2: That was Maybe it's a good idea that we go
Speaker 2: back to this kind of communication then because nobody can
Speaker 2: listen to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah did they? Did they? Did they bring seeds to
Speaker 4: or did they want to.
Speaker 2: Just come out? But I have a nice anecdote about
Speaker 2: George Savantas because he came to visit us and he
Speaker 2: asked us to to show around, to show to show
Speaker 2: him the Dutch greenhouse, because in those days the Dutch greenhouse?
Speaker 2: Did they they were growing under a metal under HPS
Speaker 2: lights that we had greenhouses with ten thousand HPS lights
Speaker 2: in it, and he never he didn't ever see this,
Speaker 2: And so we gave him a tour and he came.
Speaker 2: He showed up in the tour with a nice T
Speaker 2: shirt Kanabise, USA, California, and no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 2: not how it goes. You have to put put on
Speaker 2: some different tea shirts man, because we doun the show
Speaker 2: you around in the greenhouse arounding this T shirt and said, oh,
Speaker 2: why that is legal in Holland, isn't it. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's not legal at all. Everybody thinks it legal, but
Speaker 2: it's it is not legal. So we had to teach
Speaker 2: a little bit how to behave in Aland.
Speaker 3: We had the same We had the same issue in
Speaker 3: California where I live. When medical first happened twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: A lot of people thought it was legal, but it's
Speaker 3: really legal.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like Holland. It was permitted, but
Speaker 3: you still get in trouble anytime.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know a lot of people from California and
Speaker 2: they still they always tell me it's still illegal.
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, it's still. It was still whether or not
Speaker 3: the cop wanted to be nice to you. They could
Speaker 3: you any which way they wanted. And it was kind
Speaker 3: of the same about Holland I'm sure too. It all
Speaker 3: depended on the attitude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's that's why maybe try to keep
Speaker 2: it a little bit granted, because of wanted to go
Speaker 2: out and then I wanted to I'm I'm I'm having
Speaker 2: a family and everything, and that was really I'm not
Speaker 2: that type of guy who wants to be in the
Speaker 2: big pictures me either.
Speaker 4: I feel you on that.
Speaker 3: Uh So, after you started breeding at supersitvs. Seed Club
Speaker 3: for a while and you realize that you got popular,
Speaker 3: did you start keeping a lot of breeding males and
Speaker 3: breeding females like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah basically yet like the nice collection
Speaker 2: of males and females. And in those days we did
Speaker 2: not do the feminized breeding that didn't exist yet, so
Speaker 2: it was not so very difficult to breeding that we did.
Speaker 2: So we we sometimes did a little bit in breeding
Speaker 2: and but not too much. It was more we we
Speaker 2: basically did female hunting and the best ones we liked
Speaker 2: we crossed with each other and and everybody was having
Speaker 2: ready seats because for a lot of people, our customers
Speaker 2: was it's either nothing or something from Amsterdam that really
Speaker 2: gives you nice flowers, nice nice boots. And the people
Speaker 2: sent us photos and sent us letters and they were
Speaker 2: really hit. The photos they sent they were really nice
Speaker 2: photos and everybody was happy. It was really nice.
Speaker 3: How many how many people were involved in your in
Speaker 3: your company?
Speaker 2: Yeah we have. We were two people that did, and
Speaker 2: like four or five people helping us.
Speaker 4: Like a little collective.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, collective yeah yah, yeah, that's so yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: At the biggest part of it, how many houses did
Speaker 3: you have or how many how many different places were
Speaker 3: you grown, like five.
Speaker 2: Six different places? Yeah, to grow, But we we did
Speaker 2: not do that because in those days there were also
Speaker 2: people who were really five years or so. A lot
Speaker 2: of people that came into the they rented big warehouses
Speaker 2: and put two hundred lamps in it.
Speaker 7: But we we, you know, we did it on a
Speaker 7: smaller scale because we all we were not growing that
Speaker 7: much weed were more more growing seeds in those days.
Speaker 3: I'm mean, there's a there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: you could call them American seed companies these days that
Speaker 3: exist just like that.
Speaker 4: It's some basement, it's a few.
Speaker 2: Bedroom, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I see a lot of people. They they have some
Speaker 2: bloans and the make crosses and and and a new
Speaker 2: sheet company is born.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or they have to have a couple of houses.
Speaker 2: One second, yes, h h h h yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: bet I beg, I beg.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Your skunk? Yeah really old?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: How long does it flower?
Speaker 2: For? Twelve weeks? And and the better do one week
Speaker 2: of thirteen weeks? Thirteen?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And how did it? I mean thirty five years old.
Speaker 3: I'm always fascinated by how things survive because for us
Speaker 3: in America, it seems like every five or ten years, uh,
Speaker 3: the weed, the seed game reinvents itself and you.
Speaker 4: Can't get what you used to be able to get.
Speaker 4: So did it did it?
Speaker 3: Was it just so such a nice cut and there's
Speaker 3: such a nice plant that various people saved it and
Speaker 3: passed it around.
Speaker 2: Is it something it has been always in like two
Speaker 2: or three places, and like you said, it was more
Speaker 2: like a group of people HEV you work with, And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's still around and we all we let them. We
Speaker 2: have our mother plant. When it's like three or four
Speaker 2: months old, we take a new cut we throw away
Speaker 2: the old plant and we start from with a little
Speaker 2: clone again and a few friends of me, of my
Speaker 2: they have it. And then yeah, because you can you
Speaker 2: can imagine in thirty five years, there are lots of
Speaker 2: things happening. Really, we are proud of We are proud
Speaker 2: of it to still have it, and we are now
Speaker 2: working on trying to to to breed it. We are
Speaker 2: working with a few American varieties because we like from
Speaker 2: those days. We like the big firm buds with a
Speaker 2: lot of resin, but sometimes it lacks a little bit
Speaker 2: of flavor, a little bit of taste and smell. And
Speaker 2: now we are trying to put the smell of the
Speaker 2: gold to haze and high preferable as well, and the
Speaker 2: taste into a new and into the American rights. And
Speaker 2: that takes a while, but it's really interesting. And to
Speaker 2: see a plant that grows like a cookie or something
Speaker 2: mm hmmm, American style and then with the old school
Speaker 2: hate taste and smelling. That's that's the thing that we
Speaker 2: are working on. And maybe people some people tell, ah,
Speaker 2: why do you do this? You try to keep it
Speaker 2: like it is, But I want to because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, a lot of people are on
Speaker 2: commercial these days, and it's nice to have a big yield,
Speaker 2: of course, but also a fluffy butd is nowadays considered
Speaker 2: like bee quality. A lot of people don't understand that
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you cripple your bird,
Speaker 2: you put it in a paper and you smoke it.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't it isn't really a big deal. How
Speaker 2: the bit loves.
Speaker 4: I agree, the big deal and how it.
Speaker 2: Works, but you agree, and I agree, But a lot
Speaker 2: of people the I also.
Speaker 3: Want you know, yes, I mean, and the way that
Speaker 3: that social media works now a lot of times the
Speaker 3: only things that people see of different buds or pictures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sookie.
Speaker 3: Might look very ugly, even though it might work wonderfully
Speaker 3: and make you very happy and it might take great
Speaker 3: you can't tell that through the picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because because now if I if you have five,
Speaker 2: like five different varieties, and four of them are American things,
Speaker 2: and one of them is a sativa thing, and everybody
Speaker 2: says the sativa things, we don't we want to we
Speaker 2: don't want to have it because it looks strange for us, frange,
Speaker 2: and especially because I'm six to three or years old already,
Speaker 2: so and the normally it's I think it's normal that
Speaker 2: the younger people like all the things, but we also
Speaker 2: want to show things from the past.
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean it.
Speaker 3: I mean, for instance, you know, it's really interesting because
Speaker 3: for us Skunk one, you know, to bring it back
Speaker 3: again is very very, very different from what you experienced.
Speaker 3: I don't think I experienced Skunk one like you remember
Speaker 3: it time that we got a hold of it.
Speaker 4: What you remember was gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that happened a lot where if you don't
Speaker 3: have old things, or people aren't saving old cuttings, or
Speaker 3: you can't get old seeds to sprout, then the way
Speaker 3: will remember something.
Speaker 2: It's just gone.
Speaker 4: How long ago?
Speaker 3: You get excited again about maybe you could restart Super
Speaker 3: Sativa Seed Club in a new form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but we already started it, but we don't
Speaker 2: tell the because those are the wile days. Nowadays it's
Speaker 2: it's not a good idea to sell something in the
Speaker 2: US from home.
Speaker 4: No, not yet. It could change. We're slowly in that direction, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Have you ever heard of Didge Passion, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: because we work together with Ditch Passion, the digital friends
Speaker 2: of us, and they are there is really a very
Speaker 2: successful seat company. But they don't sell one seat in
Speaker 2: the US. And if you know that half of the
Speaker 2: visitors of the website comes from the US, Yeah, we
Speaker 2: don't sell one seat, you know it.
Speaker 3: Hopefully that will change in the next For so years,
Speaker 3: it looks America.
Speaker 2: We're complicated in the US man with those federal laws,
Speaker 2: and it's really not a good idea. And no, but
Speaker 2: maybe one day things change and then we can because
Speaker 2: because it's of course crazy that half of the visitors
Speaker 2: of a website it comes from the US, comes from
Speaker 2: the US. Yeah, they want the buses, but we don't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 3: When uh so is is uh so basically you're making
Speaker 3: stuff for the Holland market.
Speaker 2: Now, uh you're in market for you.
Speaker 3: You were talking in the in the previous interview you
Speaker 3: did with Matt you were talking about how you sort
Speaker 3: of like recollected some other hazes besides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because now I mean in a good position of
Speaker 2: course too. I know a lot of people, and I
Speaker 2: know all the hate hats from Europe, you know.
Speaker 3: No, I mean you're certainly of that generation that you
Speaker 3: know probably known these people for decades.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and and and and and we are happy
Speaker 2: that a lot that the hates people always are the
Speaker 2: people who really understand h how important it is to
Speaker 2: to save things. And there is still a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff around, you know, because we have like five five
Speaker 2: different loans still and the other people. We we have
Speaker 2: the old school hate, we have the Annal five times
Speaker 2: has and they have the hate C and the Hate A.
Speaker 2: And it's not the boy as everybody thinks. But because
Speaker 2: we have the girls and we have the outback Hage.
Speaker 2: That's the last thing nevill.
Speaker 4: Made. So he's the ha the famous boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, The thing is there is a lot
Speaker 2: of confusion going on always about the hases boys and girls.
Speaker 2: But what we have is the Haes A and the
Speaker 2: A C and it's both girls and it's really yeah,
Speaker 2: and and of course you have the A five and
Speaker 2: C five. I perfinitely don't have it, but my friends
Speaker 2: have it, and it's really when we want to use
Speaker 2: it to make a cross or something, we can have it.
Speaker 2: But it's it's a group of people and everybody knows
Speaker 2: each other. It's from the South.
Speaker 3: But when you when you're talking about the girls that
Speaker 3: are A and C, you're not talking about A five
Speaker 3: or C five.
Speaker 4: You're talking about different.
Speaker 2: It's different plants. Yeah, and it's really the especially the Hayes.
Speaker 2: The one I like best is the outback, the outback, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because the outback hage is really the incense smell. It
Speaker 2: has the incense smell and it's it makes you high,
Speaker 2: totally high. It's really when you smoke it. Then then
Speaker 2: you think hm hmm and the stone at all, and
Speaker 2: then half an hour later you think where was I?
Speaker 4: I didn't anything very that's a female you got from friends?
Speaker 4: Or is that a female seed?
Speaker 2: We we got it, We've got uh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think you know them. She's called Miska. Miska is
Speaker 2: a famous activist here in Europe. She's from France. It's
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a. It's an older lady and
Speaker 2: she's really an activist and she was the best friend
Speaker 2: of A Nevil and Nevill gave this to her and
Speaker 2: since she passed away, she see, never passed away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she gives it to us also because he's old. He's
Speaker 2: quite old already. And then she it's like, what's said
Speaker 2: that you gave it to somebody who knows who who
Speaker 2: can handle it? You know, who knows who knows how
Speaker 2: to to save it.
Speaker 4: Are you planning on doing some breeding with somebody.
Speaker 2: Doing breeding, because we we are now doing a breeding,
Speaker 2: but that's feminized breeding, because when you have two girls,
Speaker 2: there's no man, there's no man, so you need you
Speaker 2: need to do feminize breeding, and we have now we
Speaker 2: have to and still yeah, I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be a successful project because we we we When you're breeding,
Speaker 2: you have to establish a few goals. Goals already not
Speaker 2: too much, but our goals are always the high, the smell,
Speaker 2: and the taste.
Speaker 4: Those are my top three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice when there is a word of resin
Speaker 2: to be seen, but we don't go for a flowering
Speaker 2: time or something. No, no, because now we also can
Speaker 2: do someone breeding in legal situations, so then we don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about the flowering time, right. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: a lot of people DNA genetics, you know them, of course, yes,
Speaker 2: maybe they are also friends with us, and they said, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's nice what you're doing, but it's going to be
Speaker 2: a problem to sell those seats because in those noways,
Speaker 2: people don't want to spend twelve or twelve weeks thirty
Speaker 2: weeks waiting for their office anymore. It's changing I think,
Speaker 2: I hope so, because when you're growing legal like you
Speaker 2: guys can do this there, Why why should you bother
Speaker 2: about the flowering time?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Now, for a long time they were right. People didn't
Speaker 3: want things that went longer than eight to ten weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they have to run there. It's a bit
Speaker 2: of police, a bit the police on their heels and
Speaker 2: to make sure that it comes in fast.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of people now that are willing
Speaker 3: to do twelve, thirteen, even fourteen week strains if they're
Speaker 3: nice enough. People are getting excited about it.
Speaker 2: And also regarding weight, the extra three weeks will give
Speaker 2: you forty percent extra weight, right. The best, the best
Speaker 2: yielding varieties are the STIFA varieties. And they all laugh
Speaker 2: a little bit about there's something making a little bit
Speaker 2: fun about the new American strains. You like that. But
Speaker 2: they don't yield.
Speaker 3: No, No, there's a lot of them that don't yield.
Speaker 3: That's very true, of course. Yeah, so they don't, you
Speaker 3: know they so your your skunk haze. The haze in
Speaker 3: it is from one of the ten seeds that Nevill
Speaker 3: that Sam.
Speaker 2: I think that there is nothing closer to the real
Speaker 2: Haysee than the skunk haze that I.
Speaker 3: Have because most people, it seems like most people in
Speaker 3: Holland ended up using a lot of Neville's hybrids of haze,
Speaker 3: and those could be a lot of the one the
Speaker 3: cuts that got saved, yes, but as a result of
Speaker 3: that that that means that most haze is only from
Speaker 3: one or two plants. Yes, so you have third you
Speaker 3: have you have haze that's not even his, which is
Speaker 3: pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the difference between our and Nevill's hases. Neville
Speaker 2: Neville did all the his crosses with northern lights, and
Speaker 2: we did it at skirnt number one mm hmm northern
Speaker 2: lights that you can also see in like A five
Speaker 2: and C five and all those it's all hayes with
Speaker 2: northern light in it. And northern light is not really
Speaker 2: a plant with a nice taste. It's like a metallic
Speaker 2: a metallic taste, and it's really not There are not
Speaker 2: the turps in the and the and the and the
Speaker 2: crosses that never made are not so nice then the
Speaker 2: turps in the in the skunk case, because the skunk
Speaker 2: was a really turang. So we were ready that our line.
Speaker 2: Our line is with skirt number one and Nevil's lines
Speaker 2: are with with the Northern Mordern Lights, and Northern lights
Speaker 2: came from the US.
Speaker 4: I had a little bit of a connection.
Speaker 3: Are there are there coffee shops and stuff like that
Speaker 3: where where people can still get your skunk has on
Speaker 3: any kind of basis, Yeah it's yes, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's still available.
Speaker 4: Like if people were to go to you can find
Speaker 4: it lucky.
Speaker 2: But only a few people grow it because it's complicated
Speaker 2: to grow, really need to have your climate under control,
Speaker 2: and in an illegal situation, it's not so very easy
Speaker 2: because then you need to work with airco units, you know,
Speaker 2: because the skunk case, when the temperature rises above twenty
Speaker 2: eight celsius, then they start to run the boots, and
Speaker 2: that means then it gets very fluffy, and sometimes you
Speaker 2: get like ten branches, and then you start again. And
Speaker 2: when this happens after eight weeks of flowering again, twelve
Speaker 2: weeks of flowering starts and then I be talking about
Speaker 2: twenty weeks and that's too much. That's why you really,
Speaker 2: you really know, it's really a very difficult plan to grow.
Speaker 2: If you have too much nutrients, they start to right
Speaker 2: and they start to do crazy things.
Speaker 4: And if you do it the right way. It takes
Speaker 4: twelve or thirteen weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and the right is not one hour above
Speaker 2: twenty eight gray clses, not one day when you have
Speaker 2: one day when when your airco breaks down or something, it's.
Speaker 3: Gone, it's gone. So you, uh, what excites you about
Speaker 3: your new your new venture with super Stativa Seed Club.
Speaker 4: Are you working? Are you working with your son? Are
Speaker 4: you working with I.
Speaker 2: Worked a little bit my son. Yeah, I have two cents.
Speaker 2: And and then and also we are we are we
Speaker 2: are very close to get the permits to grow and
Speaker 2: al and legal. Yeah, because now the Dutch government issued
Speaker 2: ten permits to grow legal for the coffee shops. And
Speaker 2: we were lucky enough to win the lottery. Because it
Speaker 2: was a lottery, hundred and fifty people applied for the
Speaker 2: for the license and only forty went through the first round.
Speaker 2: Because you need to be able to grow a lot
Speaker 2: of feed, you need to have money, you need to
Speaker 2: have the skills to do it, you need to have
Speaker 2: the contents in the coffee shop. And we all have this.
Speaker 2: And then basically there were forty people left and then
Speaker 2: they made a lottery and we were lucky enough to
Speaker 2: win one of the pyramids.
Speaker 3: So when you win it, does that mean that at
Speaker 3: some point in the future, like Matt and I could
Speaker 3: fly to Holland and we could buy superstitiva seed club
Speaker 3: weed at coffee. Yes, and it would be branded and
Speaker 3: we know it was from you, and you threw it
Speaker 3: in a legal facility, and then you'd sell it to
Speaker 3: like dam Kring or somebody like that.
Speaker 2: That's the idea. Yes, that's the idea.
Speaker 4: That's very exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the idea. It will take it because now
Speaker 2: it's a government basement, so it takes a little bit lore.
Speaker 2: You know, as you can imagine, we're waiting, waiting, waiting,
Speaker 2: waiting that one one. Then a few weeks and a
Speaker 2: month we will get the permit, and then.
Speaker 4: It's very fun.
Speaker 2: We do it in a peaceful way because.
Speaker 4: That's that's it's a lifetime of waiting for that. Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because for me especially, it's very nice because then
Speaker 2: the circle is around, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, California is the same way.
Speaker 4: It's just become legal.
Speaker 3: But a lot of money, a lot of rules, a
Speaker 3: lot of regulations, a lot of government involved, a lot
Speaker 3: of permits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be lucky enough to to have the example of
Speaker 2: Canada and the US to tell our government if you
Speaker 2: want to make this a success, they don't make the
Speaker 2: same mistakes as they did in Canada. So because in
Speaker 2: Canada people from the black market can't be involved in this.
Speaker 2: But here in Holland, we told the government without people
Speaker 2: from the black market, this is not going to be successful. No,
Speaker 2: the people from the black market, they know how to
Speaker 2: do it. And basically where there's the government can get
Speaker 2: information from, they can't. You can't read the information about
Speaker 2: these kind of things in the paper. So you need
Speaker 2: to talk with people from the black market. We basically
Speaker 2: helped the government to make this happen.
Speaker 4: You did, you worked with the government is.
Speaker 2: Wise enough to understand that they don't can do this
Speaker 2: without the black market.
Speaker 3: So then when if they make it legal, will you
Speaker 3: mostly be going in greenhouses like traditionally we bought.
Speaker 2: A nice greenhouse and we'll do a combination of greenhouse
Speaker 2: and indoor growing.
Speaker 4: An indoor growing.
Speaker 2: Organic gab you would be very one hundred percent again again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you call it bio over there.
Speaker 2: That's bio here. Yeah, it's called it by bio. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, the circle is around then, Yeah, do we
Speaker 2: have more questions? It's nice talking.
Speaker 3: We can talk for hours, of course, no, I mean
Speaker 3: we can, we can wrap it up if you want.
Speaker 3: That was I mean, it is nice talking just because
Speaker 3: I mean to us, you guys are like the you
Speaker 3: guys are like the first wave. Yeah, I think we
Speaker 3: know your name, put your neck out there. You had
Speaker 3: companies and seeds. Yeah, a lot of this stuff that
Speaker 3: we grow today has a lot of your guys's genetics
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, And that's nice
Speaker 2: to hear it. Man. And then we see, we are
Speaker 2: very happy to see what's going on in the state,
Speaker 2: in the States, and we you have you have of
Speaker 2: course a very feel very serious seed companies over there
Speaker 2: now and full of everything, you know, everything, and it's
Speaker 2: really we are really happy to see. But nowadays it's
Speaker 2: called Cali wet here in Holland. That's really uh, the
Speaker 2: guys are doing a great job over there.
Speaker 4: That's awesome, really excited. I mean, if things opened up,
Speaker 4: I would love to.
Speaker 3: Obviously we can share as much knowledge as we want
Speaker 3: without getting in trouble, but hopefully we can, hopefully one
Speaker 3: day soon we can share more strains and more seeds
Speaker 3: again and and everything.
Speaker 4: So I mean, if.
Speaker 3: If, if you want to wrap it up here that
Speaker 3: that's that's wonderful.
Speaker 4: I thank you so much for your time. It was
Speaker 4: wonderful to hear these stories.
Speaker 3: It was really nice, really appreciate, and we could do it.
Speaker 2: And you have more questions, it's all it's fun to
Speaker 2: answer the man.
Speaker 3: I would love to I would love to do it again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how about it again soon?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, y, good wonderful day, ca very nice to meet. Yeah, alrighte,
Speaker 2: bye bye