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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's it's it's ready to go. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us again. It's it's a real pleasure again. We

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<v Speaker 1>we got through some awesome questions last time. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch more for you if you are ready.

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<v Speaker 2>To rock, Yes, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Francis, do you haven't written down?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have them written down in front of me,

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<v Speaker 3>so I can have you lead. I have a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of them. Yeah, you know, so go for us. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. I listened to your previous interview,

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<v Speaker 3>which was wonderful and had all kinds of nuggets in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt and I and a lot of others. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we read the we read the catalogs, We talk and

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<v Speaker 3>talk about various things. But we're all a little young

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<v Speaker 3>to have actually experienced like basically you and the seed

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<v Speaker 3>Bank kind of starting off.

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<v Speaker 2>Like oh that's okay, kind of like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you you and and Neville at the seed Bank.

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<v Speaker 3>You two kind of started off what we consider to

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<v Speaker 3>be like the modern seed era, right like before you.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody could.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't cutting out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, especially in America.

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<v Speaker 3>We were really curious as to like certain questions, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, you know you you mentioned before, when did

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<v Speaker 3>you When did you first start seeing like Americans come

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<v Speaker 3>in and bringing their seed lines like Skunk one and

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<v Speaker 3>the Durban or afghany one or these different things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we started in eighty five. And yeah, after one

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<v Speaker 2>year or so, Sad the Skreingman he came to to

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<v Speaker 2>live in Holland. And yeah, he wrote the letter because

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<v Speaker 2>they were running an ad an advertisement in in High

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<v Speaker 2>Times magazine. Neville and the seat Bend did it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sam told that when I go to Holland, let's

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<v Speaker 2>hook copied those two guys and let's talk about seats.

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<v Speaker 2>And I told met the last time in those days,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have mad seats. The only seats we have

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<v Speaker 2>we're from from backs of seats that we bought in

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<v Speaker 2>the coffee shops and it was all Sativa's. And so basically,

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<v Speaker 2>Sam the skreing Man brought all the seats from the

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<v Speaker 2>US to Amsterdam. And of course the next one was

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Old Clark, a friend of Sam screwing Man. And

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<v Speaker 2>after that a few more came. And the nice thing

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<v Speaker 2>about it is the seats came from the US to Amsterdam.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we started to send it to the US again

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's again that we are looking to the

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<v Speaker 2>US to buy seats again from from you guys. It's

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<v Speaker 2>we were first more liberal than you were because in

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five that it never has been legal let to

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<v Speaker 2>go in Holland. But in eighty five, in those in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, no, not a lot of people that knew

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<v Speaker 2>about cannabis, and so basically we had we could do

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<v Speaker 2>what we want because nobody knew about it and nobody

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<v Speaker 2>even the police didn't really take they let they let

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<v Speaker 2>us do what we wanted to do. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's and then Ampterdam, there were a few more. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not brining. Of course he was really the first one

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<v Speaker 2>with the seed bank, but he didn't it's international. It

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<v Speaker 2>was only from for Holland. And he was really Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's older than me as well. And he also started

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<v Speaker 2>to work the coffee shop. The first gross shop is

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<v Speaker 2>it the posit products the positors and the coffee shop

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<v Speaker 2>is the Mellow Yellow. And he's still around. He invented

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<v Speaker 2>more or less not a Rick Simpson oil, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. He calls it Madie Wheat, Maddie Wheat oil.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, he has a good he really does a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of good work because he basically introduced to the

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<v Speaker 2>Dutch patients how to make your own oil. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>to teach the people how to do it. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody is an independent and independent from pharmaceuticals. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to make your own medicine. And I'm fully agree

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<v Speaker 2>with it. Yes, so he really he's still around. And

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<v Speaker 2>come back to the question, Sam, the screaming man, he's

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<v Speaker 2>nearly the man who brought everything to Amsterdam.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, did you have any interactions with keys Hawker from

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<v Speaker 1>Loveland Seeds?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, he's houl he's older already. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Because the thing is they they tried to push that,

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<v Speaker 2>as we call it, the native wet, Yeah, basically growing

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<v Speaker 2>your own backyard. And we were more we thought the

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<v Speaker 2>judgment to call the rain near the wet and let's

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<v Speaker 2>go indoors because we we we saw it, We saw

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<v Speaker 2>it happening in the US, and we were we were

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<v Speaker 2>readers of High Times magazine and we were lucky enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have the American Bookstore in the Hague, so we

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<v Speaker 2>went there every month to buy the newest and show

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<v Speaker 2>them what what what in America was going on? And

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<v Speaker 2>that's more or less. I was started, Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You got another one, Francis.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just you know, so, so when when Sam

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<v Speaker 3>came over there, and I mean there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>things now that that are legendary and famous, like Skunk

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<v Speaker 3>one and Haze and all that. But I saw those things.

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<v Speaker 3>Those were probably just names on a bag of seeds. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>let's throw those Your connection sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand. I didn't hear what the lost sentence.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I was just gonna say, like for us, Skunk

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<v Speaker 3>one and Haze and those type of things are very

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<v Speaker 3>very famous strains, and they kind of became like the

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<v Speaker 3>backbone of what you guys were doing over there for

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<v Speaker 3>a while. It was it like to those things at first.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you first we.

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<v Speaker 2>Were very happy, especially with the skuntling morn, because we

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<v Speaker 2>were not used to see these kind of big butts.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, stable genetics because yeah, you can imagine if

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<v Speaker 2>you grow outdoors in all a sativa strained from the Ecuador, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't flower. It flowers this in December, and in

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<v Speaker 2>December it's cold and rain and snow. So we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>we never ever had seen even the buts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so this was a big game change a when he

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<v Speaker 2>came with his uh stuff and especially the skirt number

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<v Speaker 2>one and the haze. I told him in the first interview.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave us ten seats, the last seat he saved

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<v Speaker 2>from his favorite variety, and he gave the other ten

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<v Speaker 2>seats to Neville. And yeah, we didn't pay too much

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the haze because it was long flowering and

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<v Speaker 2>only very very small bits, and it was really we

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<v Speaker 2>were so happy with the Skook number one that we

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<v Speaker 2>almost forgot about the hate. Luckily enough, we made crosses

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<v Speaker 2>between Skirin number one and Hayes. Yeah, because we had

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<v Speaker 2>ten plans and yeah, two two times we were invested

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<v Speaker 2>by the police and they took all our hases and

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<v Speaker 2>we had only one left. I even don't know anymore

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<v Speaker 2>if it was, if it was a boy or a girl,

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<v Speaker 2>but already made the seats with the Skunk number one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I still have a lot of seats that we

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<v Speaker 2>made between crosses between our ten hazes. I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>germinate it, and it really doesn't work anymore because the

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<v Speaker 2>problem was I I kept them outside the refragerator for

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<v Speaker 2>ten years. I put them in a refrigerator and now

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<v Speaker 2>I still have them, so maybe it'd be some of

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<v Speaker 2>your listeners. Yeah, culture, because in my opinion, a seat

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<v Speaker 2>where there's only one sell a live still. Basically you

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<v Speaker 2>could reproduce it. But if the government, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they want to help us with it. If they find

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<v Speaker 2>in a seat of a wheat in a pyramid in Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll make sure that this is going to work again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but with cannabis seeds, I still we still have to

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<v Speaker 2>find somebody who can help us because I think the

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, cultures life somewhere in those seats. Still.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it would be nice to germinate it. I

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<v Speaker 2>gave it to a few people who were told we

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<v Speaker 2>will be the man is because I know how to

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's a pity of course. And to come

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<v Speaker 2>back to your urban poison. Yeah, in those days, we

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<v Speaker 2>had an Ampterdem coffee shop. It was called the Burban

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<v Speaker 2>Poison and the only thing they sold was wheat from

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa. I don't remember the names anymore, but the

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<v Speaker 2>major thing they sold urban poison. And that's so why

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<v Speaker 2>we we had quite a few crosses in our first

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<v Speaker 2>catalog with Derban poison because we bought see, we bought

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<v Speaker 2>wheat from them and we picked up seeds and together

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<v Speaker 2>with skirn crumber one, all the crosses, all the crosses

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<v Speaker 2>with skunk crumber one gave us more early flowering, bigger

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<v Speaker 2>and a nice smell. So it was basically a winter combination.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that even the skins number one do.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember what any of the smell profiles of the

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<v Speaker 1>different sku number ones that you pop back in the

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<v Speaker 1>day were like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the The skull number one was really like the

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<v Speaker 2>name tell the name tells it all. It stinks.

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<v Speaker 1>So back then it actually smelled like skunks like North America.

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<v Speaker 2>I really, to be honest, I never have smell smelled

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<v Speaker 2>the spoon any mill. But it was more about the

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<v Speaker 2>that it was so strong. It was really strong. You know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in my hate that I have, you can still smell

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<v Speaker 2>in the back you smell the skunk, the strong smell

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<v Speaker 2>of the screw number one, yea. And together with the

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<v Speaker 2>with the with the hazy it gets you like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. The old school hazes is very Freney planned

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<v Speaker 2>because if you make an analysis of it, there is

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<v Speaker 2>all there's only a proof scene that's the only terpin

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<v Speaker 2>that's in it. Yeah, and not too much as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you smoke it, it's really the true smell

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<v Speaker 2>and taste that I have ever seen in wheat. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big mystery, and I'll know it's about turpens.

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<v Speaker 2>How is it possible that the plant with only one

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<v Speaker 2>and not a lot of it can smell so strong

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<v Speaker 2>and taste so strong? Yeah? Do you know the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Francis, you might want to turn down your mic.

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<v Speaker 2>Listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you take the next few questions?

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta go use the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I mean so so when you so Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>when you first got it, it was skunk number one

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<v Speaker 3>was an early finishing, big bud, very pretty.

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<v Speaker 4>It smelled like a skunk. Did it smell like did

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<v Speaker 4>it smell like citrus? Too? It was there?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, not at all, no no no,

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<v Speaker 2>it was more the dark side of the like the earthy,

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<v Speaker 2>woody Yes, yes it was not. No, no, no, not

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<v Speaker 2>any sweetness, no, not any any seat to us in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Because what we're familiar with as younger people is skunk

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<v Speaker 3>number one smells like floral.

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<v Speaker 4>It smells sweet it smells.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying that what what Sam brought over first

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<v Speaker 3>is very different than what ended up being common in

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<v Speaker 3>Europe later.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yes, yeah, yeah, because Skook number one and there

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<v Speaker 2>are still a lot of seats bank around and they

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<v Speaker 2>they think or they they know. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>they that they still have Skook number one, but that

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<v Speaker 2>there is no Skook number one anymore. The only Scoot

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<v Speaker 2>number one that is around is very diluted, very very deluded,

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<v Speaker 2>really nothing to compare with with the skunk number one anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe when said the screwing Melis, he tells that

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<v Speaker 3>That interesting is because when he went there he gave

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like he gave some seeds to Bernard from Positronics

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<v Speaker 4>What was the what was the little was the community

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<v Speaker 4>in Amsterdam? Then? Did everyone know each other?

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<v Speaker 2>Because yes, the thing is, we didn't live in Amsterdam,

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<v Speaker 2>when when when Sam Sam teached a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>And basically, the the first five years that them was around,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's more safe to do it. But because at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, all the all the greenhouses

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<v Speaker 2>were always always bursted. They could do one crop maybe

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<v Speaker 2>second croup was already yeah burst. Because hold On is

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<v Speaker 2>The greenhouses are always close to a village, close to

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<v Speaker 4>Half the country.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like you reclaimed from the sea, you know, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 4>Besides Hayes and Skunk, what else did you get from Sam?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh No, we did not get anything else. Neville he

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<v Speaker 2>get he got like early.

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<v Speaker 4>Pearl, early pearl from Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, early pearl and a few other ones. But also

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<v Speaker 2>we were not we were not too much in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with Neville because the Nevill's approach was different than our approach.

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<v Speaker 2>We were underground people and we were not really too

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<v Speaker 2>know in our house. And then and in those days,

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<v Speaker 2>Neville had the the Canabis Castle, and everybody even more

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<v Speaker 2>or less welcome over that, and especially when you came

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of money to buy seats. Everybody was welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were always more like, let's let's try to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it underground, and let's let's try to do it

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<v Speaker 2>in a more more or less safe way, because we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to get cold, and we wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>one in this business for forever, you know. And Neville

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<v Speaker 2>was more Ada devil, and he was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who came to his house anymore. I I really

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he knew. I think so, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Americans in those days they came to Amsterdam,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody was welcomed nevill Space, but we were we

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<v Speaker 2>were more careful.

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<v Speaker 4>To we we were just talking.

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<v Speaker 3>We were just talking about a little bit about skunk one,

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit about Sam skunk Man and where he

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<v Speaker 3>got his seeds from. Oh, besides Sam, where were some

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<v Speaker 3>other sources? In the previous conversation you had with Matt,

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<v Speaker 3>you told that a lot of stuff you got you

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<v Speaker 3>were getting off seeds from buds out of coffee shops.

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<v Speaker 3>Were there any other people or sources once you started

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<v Speaker 3>making super Stativa Seed Club?

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<v Speaker 4>Were people coming to find you and trace?

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<v Speaker 2>But they were they were coming to but they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>find this.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The only the only one who who could find this

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<v Speaker 2>was at and George Savants and and the chief that

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<v Speaker 2>were five times.

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<v Speaker 4>Stephen Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then those were the only

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<v Speaker 2>three people who could face this because we were really

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<v Speaker 2>like we knew what we were, we understood what we

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<v Speaker 2>were doing, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So then that that leads me to another question. In

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<v Speaker 3>your catalog, you have something called Oakland, Indica.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 3>As to where that where you got that or where

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<v Speaker 3>it came from.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know it because a few times

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<v Speaker 2>because we had a lot of clients, of course, and

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<v Speaker 2>we we we received a lot of letters in those days,

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<v Speaker 2>and a few times people send us seats, but not

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<v Speaker 2>only a few times. And I think because Oakland that

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<v Speaker 2>that it was somebody from Oakland, because in those days

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<v Speaker 2>we got like one hundred letters every day, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was really fun for us to read all

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<v Speaker 2>those letters. And also we we asked people to help

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<v Speaker 2>us to to to distribute the seats in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>and just we were just reading the letters and he thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is a nice guy because he understands how

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<v Speaker 2>it works and he understands so there was a really

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<v Speaker 2>nice job for me to read all these letters and

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<v Speaker 2>to answer them as well, because we even nowadays still

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<v Speaker 2>get letters from people from from all days. And they

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<v Speaker 2>said a nice to see you back, and do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember that we bought isn't that from you? Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really really funny. And when we started again a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago, we got a letter from somebody and

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<v Speaker 2>he says, now, yeah, nowadays, mother nature is legal in

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<v Speaker 2>the US.

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<v Speaker 5>And that we really thought a guy who writes a

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<v Speaker 5>letter and said modern nature is legal now you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it used to be illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>But now we are happy that it's legal. And that

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<v Speaker 2>were those were the letters that we really liked of

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<v Speaker 2>people who understood how crazy it is to make mother nature.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what you got about the Durban Thai high flyer,

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<v Speaker 1>Now that was one of your most famous lines. We

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<v Speaker 1>still see it around to day. Do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>memories surrounding it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's this was a very satifa, pure satifa, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>And also because of Durban is so in the south

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<v Speaker 2>of the world that it's almost in the same latitude

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<v Speaker 2>then holand this. But then so the flowering times they

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<v Speaker 2>are more or less the same than our flowering times

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<v Speaker 2>because we our our our harvest. Our autumn starts in September. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then also the the winter in harvest, it's getting cold.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were lucky to have the Durban flowering so early.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, coffee didn't agree with me.

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<v Speaker 4>I threw up. That's why I left.

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<v Speaker 3>He was we you know, he we were trying to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about, like, you know, who he met and where

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<v Speaker 3>he got things from. Okay, so the Durban was a

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<v Speaker 3>very was the is the one Sativa that's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>an early finisher.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it worked well in Holland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and and and and the combination with the tie,

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<v Speaker 2>because the tie is a very very late flowering yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it then it's finished, so like half October

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<v Speaker 2>or something. And that's nice for us, of course, because

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<v Speaker 2>in October sometimes when you're lucky, the weather is still good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But but our our main customers in the US were

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<v Speaker 2>the people from California, the Vietnam veterans, people that back

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<v Speaker 2>from Vietnam. They started to do the Gila farming and

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<v Speaker 2>they really they made money with it as well, so

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<v Speaker 2>they did they sent us a nice amount of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean from our perspective, you know, back then, especially Indica's

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<v Speaker 3>and things like that were pretty rare. And even though

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<v Speaker 3>California and America there was there was you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>was a lot of things going on.

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<v Speaker 4>People didn't know each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So really, like one of the most interesting things about

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<v Speaker 3>what happened with you guys for us is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like you were saying before, a bunch of stuff flowed

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<v Speaker 3>from America over to Amps, over to Holland. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>went everywhere in America. It went to the South, that

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<v Speaker 3>went to the north, New York.

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<v Speaker 2>It went to the and that was our goal. That

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<v Speaker 2>was our goal. That's why we did this, because we thought,

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<v Speaker 2>in those days, yeah, there's no internet, so your your

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<v Speaker 2>your friends lived close to you in the same town,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can swap seets with your friends. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't spread the whole country, you know. And then and

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<v Speaker 2>since we were starting, we got let the from everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>a lost uh, Texas whatever. And then so we thought,

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<v Speaker 2>when all the refrigerators in these states are filled with seats,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a difficult thing to stop it. There's this movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Francis, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>lay down for a bit, but I'm gonna leave this going.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you don't see me I start.

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<v Speaker 4>I got a little sick thrown out. You can handle

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<v Speaker 4>it going, we handling.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'll talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. Okay, all right, keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what are you.

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<v Speaker 3>One one of your biggest varieties that you had, and

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<v Speaker 3>there was something called Basic five. Do you remember much

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<v Speaker 3>about Basic five or some of the hybrids you had

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<v Speaker 3>or the basic five?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the Basic five anymore, you don't know?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, what about the what about your What about the

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<v Speaker 3>creeper or the kyber pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the the the creeper, the creeper. We called it

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<v Speaker 2>the creepy because it was really the plant was not upright,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was laying down more or les.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's why I always assumed it was the high.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it

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<v Speaker 2>was not. It was not about the high. It was

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<v Speaker 2>really about the more logic aspects of the of the

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<v Speaker 2>of the plant. Because normally a plant is like more

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<v Speaker 2>or less like a Christmas treet, but this one was

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<v Speaker 2>like bending over and laying down, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 2>still like this kind of plant plants because they gave

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<v Speaker 2>you a big harvest room for beds, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>and and the k the kit that was becross it

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<v Speaker 2>with an Afghani I think because of Afghani that and

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<v Speaker 2>hold on the Hush from Afghanistan was really very popular.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know where we got the seats from it,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, did you guys ever grow flowers for coffee shops

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<v Speaker 3>or did you just focus on seeds?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, because we did. We were

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<v Speaker 2>growing for the coffee shops as well. Yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>they liked our indoor wheat because it was quite, it

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<v Speaker 2>was new, and in those days, we we were worrying

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about the fact that our wheat was

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<v Speaker 2>green because people they were used to to buy marijuana

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<v Speaker 2>was always brown, so half rotten meat as we call

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<v Speaker 2>it now, and and and our indoor marijuana was green.

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<v Speaker 2>So we thought, oh, nobody's going to buy this because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't because green. The only green marijuana we knew

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<v Speaker 2>was that was the native wheat, and that was the

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<v Speaker 2>wheat that we grew in our backyard and it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have birds, it was only leaves, and it was green.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were afraid that people thought our wheat was

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<v Speaker 2>neither beat. So we tried to make it. We tried

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00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>to make it brown to to to be able to

426
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 2>to to sell it. But after a few and I

427
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe after a year, everybody said, I don't know,

428
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the green ones is the best one? Is smith better

429
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 2>than the brown man? No mind, don't worry about the color.

430
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Will we buy it anyway? So yeah, that was really

431
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.440
<v Speaker 2>that was a really friendy thing that we really peop

432
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.200
<v Speaker 2>were really worried about the green color.

433
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 3>It really were because it was so because the part

434
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 3>about that is that everything was so new.

435
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, that was new. It was new. And the

436
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 2>first since Themilia that I saw in Holland that was somebody.

437
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>And then one year we were lucky enough to have

438
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 2>a good September in holand normally it's raining in September already,

439
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.480
<v Speaker 2>but in this September there was a lot of sun.

440
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.160
<v Speaker 2>So in the coffee shop where I worked, somebody came

441
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 2>with a garbage bag full of big birds and they

442
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 2>were not primmed at all, and I thought, where does

443
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>this come from? Because we really didn't. It was the

444
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>first time we saw a green tick bird plant. But

445
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>this was also I think a durban poison or something

446
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 2>that he was lucky to grow some urban poison seeds

447
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 2>in a year that we had a very good, nice September,

448
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 2>so the plant was to finish. And that was really

449
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the first time that I saw sinzemia as because of that.

450
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 4>You got into weed was by working in a coffee shop.

451
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I worked in a coffee shop when I was

452
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 2>like eighteen years or nineteen years old, and then one

453
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>of our customers came.

454
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 6>To me and he said, I I am I I'm

455
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 6>a reader of High Times magazine, and I saw how

456
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 6>they grew, how they grow plants already because at Rosendhal

457
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 6>was one of the first to start it all days,

458
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 6>I think in the US. And this guy said, I

459
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 6>bought a metal heirlight lamp because we have a big

460
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 6>horticulture center here and all that. And in those days,

461
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 6>the greenhouse grower they they used it to grow catty

462
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 6>the metal airlines. And he went there to buy a

463
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 6>lamp and he said, I want to grow and I

464
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 6>want to start to use it.

465
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>And I thought, I live in the squat house, and

466
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 2>let's do it. And Okay, that's how it started. Because

467
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 2>this guy, he didn't he was reader of High Times magazine.

468
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Saw in High Times.

469
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so when you so most of most of super

470
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Stativa Seed Club's work was all done indoors, whether you

471
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 3>were growing buds for coffee shops or whether you were

472
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 3>making seed.

473
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>For your Yes, yeah we did.

474
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 4>We did everything, kept it inside.

475
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that was all because of Yeah we did

476
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>it was it told it's too cold inland, you know,

477
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>and in a greenhouse it's the holand is too crowded

478
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to grow in a greenhouse, and it's.

479
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:28.759
<v Speaker 4>No.

480
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Everybody got caught always in the greenhouse.

481
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:37.880
<v Speaker 4>So we were growing. Did you have garages? Were you

482
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:39.119
<v Speaker 4>growing in bedrooms?

483
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.880
<v Speaker 2>We had garages, and we bought at one point we

484
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>bought a house, especially with the luid and no, no,

485
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and I know those we were scrouters. You know what

486
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>scuoters are. Yes, And if you are a scoter, you

487
00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>always have a house. Yeah.

488
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 3>So you you squatted in the house and then you

489
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 3>set up some lights, and you set up some rooms

490
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 3>to do breeding and grow weed, and you sold the

491
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 3>weed to the coffee shops and you sold seed catalog.

492
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and we were we were squatter,

493
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 2>but we earned a lot of money.

494
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:22.440
<v Speaker 4>That's very cool.

495
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if you're not in it for the money man,

496
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.279
<v Speaker 2>because but it was nice to have money to do that.

497
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>A lot of money came to us, of course, but

498
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 2>it was not really our the basic thing. Yeah.

499
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

500
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 3>The funny thing for us is that now you know,

501
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 3>there's so many seed companies in America and there's a

502
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 3>lot of seed company in Europe and everything like that.

503
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.640
<v Speaker 3>But when when you guys started and when Neville started,

504
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 3>there was really only you two. Yeah, that was easy.

505
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Like you said, if you went to Positronics, if you

506
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 3>went to Holland and went directly to certain coffee shops.

507
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you could get some seed in order to order things.

508
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 3>There was only two Yeah really, so that your that

509
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 3>your company stuff and Nevill's company stuff got spread so

510
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 3>far and wide.

511
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. But but when netll stopped, sense the Seats

512
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:24.359
<v Speaker 2>took over.

513
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 4>The took over and they bought.

514
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Basically that's how sens you started. They bought netll stopped

515
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 2>and then they started and the name Sensy Seats and

516
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>the Ben Drunk, the one that's the guy who started.

517
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Is this is really a big, a big thanks to

518
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Ben because he was really the guy with the biggest balls,

519
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:55.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, he went on very very started where we stopped.

520
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 3>So do you think that did Nevill's sell his company

521
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.680
<v Speaker 3>to Ben and Allen because of the trouble he got in?

522
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>I think? So? Yeah.

523
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 3>Did you were in the community back then? Were you

524
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 3>ever we like, was it a small enough community that

525
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.240
<v Speaker 3>you were close to a lot of these people?

526
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yet, But the thing is I said before, we

527
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 2>were not really we were. We had our own group

528
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 2>of people and we were not we we didn't live

529
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 2>in Amsterdam, you know. So so you didn't.

530
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 4>Live in Amsterdam, you lived in different.

531
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we lived in the Hague. That's that's close

532
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>to Amsterdam. But so we we we we we trying

533
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to be to be honest, we tried to stay out

534
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>of all those groups.

535
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 4>Tried to keep your head and stay quiet and yeah.

536
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes that's the idea. Really And we were not like

537
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 2>behaving like work stops or something. We were just we

538
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>were just quoted running a kind of received business.

539
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.200
<v Speaker 3>So how did how did how did like Jorge Servantes

540
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.199
<v Speaker 3>and Ed Rosenthal, how did they find you?

541
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:11.039
<v Speaker 4>Did you?

542
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah? They centered the letter. Yeah, they write it

543
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 2>because in those days you wrote.

544
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 4>Letters to people.

545
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, and you put you put the stamp on

546
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the envelope and then you put it in the mailbox.

547
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>That was Maybe it's a good idea that we go

548
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 2>back to this kind of communication then because nobody can

549
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>listen to it.

550
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah did they? Did they? Did they bring seeds to

551
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:40.239
<v Speaker 4>or did they want to.

552
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Just come out? But I have a nice anecdote about

553
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.199
<v Speaker 2>George Savantas because he came to visit us and he

554
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:55.159
<v Speaker 2>asked us to to show around, to show to show

555
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 2>him the Dutch greenhouse, because in those days the Dutch greenhouse?

556
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Did they they were growing under a metal under HPS

557
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 2>lights that we had greenhouses with ten thousand HPS lights

558
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>in it, and he never he didn't ever see this,

559
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>And so we gave him a tour and he came.

560
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>He showed up in the tour with a nice T

561
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:22.559
<v Speaker 2>shirt Kanabise, USA, California, and no, no, no, no, that's

562
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.719
<v Speaker 2>not how it goes. You have to put put on

563
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>some different tea shirts man, because we doun the show

564
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.400
<v Speaker 2>you around in the greenhouse arounding this T shirt and said, oh,

565
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>why that is legal in Holland, isn't it. No, no, no,

566
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>it's not legal at all. Everybody thinks it legal, but

567
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>it's it is not legal. So we had to teach

568
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 2>a little bit how to behave in Aland.

569
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 3>We had the same We had the same issue in

570
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 3>California where I live. When medical first happened twenty years ago.

571
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:57.599
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people thought it was legal, but it's

572
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:58.599
<v Speaker 3>really legal.

573
00:35:58.719 --> 00:35:59.079
<v Speaker 4>It was.

574
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 3>It was kind of like Holland. It was permitted, but

575
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 3>you still get in trouble anytime.

576
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I know a lot of people from California and

577
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 2>they still they always tell me it's still illegal.

578
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Man, Yeah, it's still. It was still whether or not

579
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 3>the cop wanted to be nice to you. They could

580
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 3>you any which way they wanted. And it was kind

581
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 3>of the same about Holland I'm sure too. It all

582
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 3>depended on the attitude.

583
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And that's that's why maybe try to keep

584
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit granted, because of wanted to go

585
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>out and then I wanted to I'm I'm I'm having

586
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 2>a family and everything, and that was really I'm not

587
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.960
<v Speaker 2>that type of guy who wants to be in the

588
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 2>big pictures me either.

589
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 4>I feel you on that.

590
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 3>Uh So, after you started breeding at supersitvs. Seed Club

591
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 3>for a while and you realize that you got popular,

592
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.280
<v Speaker 3>did you start keeping a lot of breeding males and

593
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:57.639
<v Speaker 3>breeding females like.

594
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah basically yet like the nice collection

595
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 2>of males and females. And in those days we did

596
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:08.840
<v Speaker 2>not do the feminized breeding that didn't exist yet, so

597
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.039
<v Speaker 2>it was not so very difficult to breeding that we did.

598
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>So we we sometimes did a little bit in breeding

599
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and but not too much. It was more we we

600
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>basically did female hunting and the best ones we liked

601
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 2>we crossed with each other and and everybody was having

602
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 2>ready seats because for a lot of people, our customers

603
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 2>was it's either nothing or something from Amsterdam that really

604
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 2>gives you nice flowers, nice nice boots. And the people

605
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 2>sent us photos and sent us letters and they were

606
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:53.039
<v Speaker 2>really hit. The photos they sent they were really nice

607
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.280
<v Speaker 2>photos and everybody was happy. It was really nice.

608
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 3>How many how many people were involved in your in

609
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 3>your company?

610
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah we have. We were two people that did, and

611
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 2>like four or five people helping us.

612
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:11.199
<v Speaker 4>Like a little collective.

613
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, collective yeah yah, yeah, that's so yeah yeah yeah.

614
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 3>At the biggest part of it, how many houses did

615
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.800
<v Speaker 3>you have or how many how many different places were

616
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 3>you grown, like five.

617
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Six different places? Yeah, to grow, But we we did

618
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>not do that because in those days there were also

619
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>people who were really five years or so. A lot

620
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 2>of people that came into the they rented big warehouses

621
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.679
<v Speaker 2>and put two hundred lamps in it.

622
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 7>But we we, you know, we did it on a

623
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 7>smaller scale because we all we were not growing that

624
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 7>much weed were more more growing seeds in those days.

625
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm mean, there's a there's a lot of you know,

626
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 3>you could call them American seed companies these days that

627
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:07.519
<v Speaker 3>exist just like that.

628
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 4>It's some basement, it's a few.

629
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Bedroom, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can, Yeah, because

630
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.159
<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of people. They they have some

631
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 2>bloans and the make crosses and and and a new

632
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>sheet company is born.

633
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, or they have to have a couple of houses.

634
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 2>One second, yes, h h h h yeah, yeah, I

635
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 2>bet I beg, I beg.

636
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

637
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I think.

638
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 4>Your skunk? Yeah really old?

639
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

640
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 4>How long does it flower?

641
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 2>For? Twelve weeks? And and the better do one week

642
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>of thirteen weeks? Thirteen?

643
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? And how did it? I mean thirty five years old.

644
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm always fascinated by how things survive because for us

645
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 3>in America, it seems like every five or ten years, uh,

646
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.000
<v Speaker 3>the weed, the seed game reinvents itself and you.

647
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 4>Can't get what you used to be able to get.

648
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.360
<v Speaker 4>So did it did it?

649
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Was it just so such a nice cut and there's

650
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.960
<v Speaker 3>such a nice plant that various people saved it and

651
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 3>passed it around.

652
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Is it something it has been always in like two

653
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>or three places, and like you said, it was more

654
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>like a group of people HEV you work with, And yeah,

655
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>it's still around and we all we let them. We

656
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.199
<v Speaker 2>have our mother plant. When it's like three or four

657
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 2>months old, we take a new cut we throw away

658
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the old plant and we start from with a little

659
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 2>clone again and a few friends of me, of my

660
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 2>they have it. And then yeah, because you can you

661
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 2>can imagine in thirty five years, there are lots of

662
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>things happening. Really, we are proud of We are proud

663
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>of it to still have it, and we are now

664
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 2>working on trying to to to breed it. We are

665
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 2>working with a few American varieties because we like from

666
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 2>those days. We like the big firm buds with a

667
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 2>lot of resin, but sometimes it lacks a little bit

668
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 2>of flavor, a little bit of taste and smell. And

669
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.320
<v Speaker 2>now we are trying to put the smell of the

670
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 2>gold to haze and high preferable as well, and the

671
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:06.239
<v Speaker 2>taste into a new and into the American rights. And

672
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.599
<v Speaker 2>that takes a while, but it's really interesting. And to

673
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 2>see a plant that grows like a cookie or something

674
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.039
<v Speaker 2>mm hmmm, American style and then with the old school

675
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 2>hate taste and smelling. That's that's the thing that we

676
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>are working on. And maybe people some people tell, ah,

677
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 2>why do you do this? You try to keep it

678
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.320
<v Speaker 2>like it is, But I want to because at the

679
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, a lot of people are on

680
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>commercial these days, and it's nice to have a big yield,

681
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:49.159
<v Speaker 2>of course, but also a fluffy butd is nowadays considered

682
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 2>like bee quality. A lot of people don't understand that

683
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, you cripple your bird,

684
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>you put it in a paper and you smoke it.

685
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't it isn't really a big deal. How

686
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the bit loves.

687
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.079
<v Speaker 4>I agree, the big deal and how it.

688
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Works, but you agree, and I agree, But a lot

689
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of people the I also.

690
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Want you know, yes, I mean, and the way that

691
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 3>that social media works now a lot of times the

692
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 3>only things that people see of different buds or pictures.

693
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Sookie.

694
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.039
<v Speaker 3>Might look very ugly, even though it might work wonderfully

695
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 3>and make you very happy and it might take great

696
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 3>you can't tell that through the picture.

697
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because because now if I if you have five,

698
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 2>like five different varieties, and four of them are American things,

699
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 2>and one of them is a sativa thing, and everybody

700
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 2>says the sativa things, we don't we want to we

701
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.719
<v Speaker 2>don't want to have it because it looks strange for us, frange,

702
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and especially because I'm six to three or years old already,

703
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 2>so and the normally it's I think it's normal that

704
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the younger people like all the things, but we also

705
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>want to show things from the past.

706
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I mean it.

707
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, for instance, you know, it's really interesting because

708
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 3>for us Skunk one, you know, to bring it back

709
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 3>again is very very, very different from what you experienced.

710
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I experienced Skunk one like you remember

711
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 3>it time that we got a hold of it.

712
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 4>What you remember was gone.

713
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that happened a lot where if you don't

714
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 3>have old things, or people aren't saving old cuttings, or

715
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.280
<v Speaker 3>you can't get old seeds to sprout, then the way

716
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:44.480
<v Speaker 3>will remember something.

717
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 2>It's just gone.

718
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:48.519
<v Speaker 4>How long ago?

719
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.599
<v Speaker 3>You get excited again about maybe you could restart Super

720
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Sativa Seed Club in a new form.

721
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but we already started it, but we don't

722
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:05.840
<v Speaker 2>tell the because those are the wile days. Nowadays it's

723
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it's not a good idea to sell something in the

724
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>US from home.

725
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 4>No, not yet. It could change. We're slowly in that direction, but.

726
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Have you ever heard of Didge Passion, Yes, yeah,

727
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.599
<v Speaker 2>because we work together with Ditch Passion, the digital friends

728
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>of us, and they are there is really a very

729
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 2>successful seat company. But they don't sell one seat in

730
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 2>the US. And if you know that half of the

731
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 2>visitors of the website comes from the US, Yeah, we

732
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 2>don't sell one seat, you know it.

733
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.679
<v Speaker 3>Hopefully that will change in the next For so years,

734
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 3>it looks America.

735
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.679
<v Speaker 2>We're complicated in the US man with those federal laws,

736
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and it's really not a good idea. And no, but

737
00:45:56.320 --> 00:46:00.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe one day things change and then we can because

738
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>because it's of course crazy that half of the visitors

739
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>of a website it comes from the US, comes from

740
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the US. Yeah, they want the buses, but we don't

741
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:10.320
<v Speaker 2>do it.

742
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 4>I understand.

743
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 3>When uh so is is uh so basically you're making

744
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 3>stuff for the Holland market.

745
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Now, uh you're in market for you.

746
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.960
<v Speaker 3>You were talking in the in the previous interview you

747
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.760
<v Speaker 3>did with Matt you were talking about how you sort

748
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.199
<v Speaker 3>of like recollected some other hazes besides.

749
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because now I mean in a good position of

750
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>course too. I know a lot of people, and I

751
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>know all the hate hats from Europe, you know.

752
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.679
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean you're certainly of that generation that you

753
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.920
<v Speaker 3>know probably known these people for decades.

754
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and and and and and we are happy

755
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.039
<v Speaker 2>that a lot that the hates people always are the

756
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.159
<v Speaker 2>people who really understand h how important it is to

757
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to save things. And there is still a lot of

758
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff around, you know, because we have like five five

759
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>different loans still and the other people. We we have

760
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the old school hate, we have the Annal five times

761
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.920
<v Speaker 2>has and they have the hate C and the Hate A.

762
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 2>And it's not the boy as everybody thinks. But because

763
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>we have the girls and we have the outback Hage.

764
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>That's the last thing nevill.

765
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.039
<v Speaker 4>Made. So he's the ha the famous boy.

766
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, no, The thing is there is a lot

767
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 2>of confusion going on always about the hases boys and girls.

768
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 2>But what we have is the Haes A and the

769
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:54.039
<v Speaker 2>A C and it's both girls and it's really yeah,

770
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 2>and and of course you have the A five and

771
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.760
<v Speaker 2>C five. I perfinitely don't have it, but my friends

772
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 2>have it, and it's really when we want to use

773
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:05.760
<v Speaker 2>it to make a cross or something, we can have it.

774
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>But it's it's a group of people and everybody knows

775
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>each other. It's from the South.

776
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 3>But when you when you're talking about the girls that

777
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 3>are A and C, you're not talking about A five

778
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 3>or C five.

779
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 4>You're talking about different.

780
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:26.400
<v Speaker 2>It's different plants. Yeah, and it's really the especially the Hayes.

781
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:32.880
<v Speaker 2>The one I like best is the outback, the outback, Yeah,

782
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 2>because the outback hage is really the incense smell. It

783
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.679
<v Speaker 2>has the incense smell and it's it makes you high,

784
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 2>totally high. It's really when you smoke it. Then then

785
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 2>you think hm hmm and the stone at all, and

786
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 2>then half an hour later you think where was I?

787
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 4>I didn't anything very that's a female you got from friends?

788
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:02.840
<v Speaker 4>Or is that a female seed?

789
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 2>We we got it, We've got uh yeah, yeah, I

790
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:11.119
<v Speaker 2>don't think you know them. She's called Miska. Miska is

791
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a famous activist here in Europe. She's from France. It's

792
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>a it's a it's a. It's an older lady and

793
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:20.199
<v Speaker 2>she's really an activist and she was the best friend

794
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 2>of A Nevil and Nevill gave this to her and

795
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 2>since she passed away, she see, never passed away. Yeah,

796
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 2>she gives it to us also because he's old. He's

797
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 2>quite old already. And then she it's like, what's said

798
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>that you gave it to somebody who knows who who

799
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 2>can handle it? You know, who knows who knows how

800
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 2>to to save it.

801
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 4>Are you planning on doing some breeding with somebody.

802
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Doing breeding, because we we are now doing a breeding,

803
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.280
<v Speaker 2>but that's feminized breeding, because when you have two girls,

804
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.920
<v Speaker 2>there's no man, there's no man, so you need you

805
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 2>need to do feminize breeding, and we have now we

806
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 2>have to and still yeah, I think it's going to

807
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 2>be a successful project because we we we When you're breeding,

808
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.320
<v Speaker 2>you have to establish a few goals. Goals already not

809
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 2>too much, but our goals are always the high, the smell,

810
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>and the taste.

811
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.239
<v Speaker 4>Those are my top three.

812
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's nice when there is a word of resin

813
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.199
<v Speaker 2>to be seen, but we don't go for a flowering

814
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.599
<v Speaker 2>time or something. No, no, because now we also can

815
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.719
<v Speaker 2>do someone breeding in legal situations, so then we don't

816
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 2>have to worry about the flowering time, right. Yeah, because

817
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people DNA genetics, you know them, of course, yes,

818
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe they are also friends with us, and they said, yeah,

819
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.599
<v Speaker 2>it's nice what you're doing, but it's going to be

820
00:50:54.719 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 2>a problem to sell those seats because in those noways,

821
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>people don't want to spend twelve or twelve weeks thirty

822
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:08.519
<v Speaker 2>weeks waiting for their office anymore. It's changing I think,

823
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I hope so, because when you're growing legal like you

824
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 2>guys can do this there, Why why should you bother

825
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.719
<v Speaker 2>about the flowering time?

826
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

827
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Now, for a long time they were right. People didn't

828
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.079
<v Speaker 3>want things that went longer than eight to ten weeks.

829
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they have to run there. It's a bit

830
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:29.079
<v Speaker 2>of police, a bit the police on their heels and

831
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that it comes in fast.

832
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 3>But there's a lot of people now that are willing

833
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.719
<v Speaker 3>to do twelve, thirteen, even fourteen week strains if they're

834
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.760
<v Speaker 3>nice enough. People are getting excited about it.

835
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 2>And also regarding weight, the extra three weeks will give

836
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:51.119
<v Speaker 2>you forty percent extra weight, right. The best, the best

837
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>yielding varieties are the STIFA varieties. And they all laugh

838
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about there's something making a little bit

839
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:03.519
<v Speaker 2>fun about the new American strains. You like that. But

840
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>they don't yield.

841
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 3>No, No, there's a lot of them that don't yield.

842
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:15.960
<v Speaker 3>That's very true, of course. Yeah, so they don't, you

843
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 3>know they so your your skunk haze. The haze in

844
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.000
<v Speaker 3>it is from one of the ten seeds that Nevill

845
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.159
<v Speaker 3>that Sam.

846
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that there is nothing closer to the real

847
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Haysee than the skunk haze that I.

848
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Have because most people, it seems like most people in

849
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Holland ended up using a lot of Neville's hybrids of haze,

850
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.760
<v Speaker 3>and those could be a lot of the one the

851
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 3>cuts that got saved, yes, but as a result of

852
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.920
<v Speaker 3>that that that means that most haze is only from

853
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:51.000
<v Speaker 3>one or two plants. Yes, so you have third you

854
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.679
<v Speaker 3>have you have haze that's not even his, which is

855
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 3>pretty exciting.

856
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the difference between our and Nevill's hases. Neville

857
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Neville did all the his crosses with northern lights, and

858
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 2>we did it at skirnt number one mm hmm northern

859
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.079
<v Speaker 2>lights that you can also see in like A five

860
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:15.119
<v Speaker 2>and C five and all those it's all hayes with

861
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 2>northern light in it. And northern light is not really

862
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>a plant with a nice taste. It's like a metallic

863
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:27.039
<v Speaker 2>a metallic taste, and it's really not There are not

864
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 2>the turps in the and the and the and the

865
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 2>crosses that never made are not so nice then the

866
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.599
<v Speaker 2>turps in the in the skunk case, because the skunk

867
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:41.559
<v Speaker 2>was a really turang. So we were ready that our line.

868
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Our line is with skirt number one and Nevil's lines

869
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.119
<v Speaker 2>are with with the Northern Mordern Lights, and Northern lights

870
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 2>came from the US.

871
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:52.960
<v Speaker 4>I had a little bit of a connection.

872
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Are there are there coffee shops and stuff like that

873
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.480
<v Speaker 3>where where people can still get your skunk has on

874
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.880
<v Speaker 3>any kind of basis, Yeah it's yes, yes, yes, yeah,

875
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 3>it's still available.

876
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Like if people were to go to you can find

877
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 4>it lucky.

878
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 2>But only a few people grow it because it's complicated

879
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 2>to grow, really need to have your climate under control,

880
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and in an illegal situation, it's not so very easy

881
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.360
<v Speaker 2>because then you need to work with airco units, you know,

882
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:31.079
<v Speaker 2>because the skunk case, when the temperature rises above twenty

883
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>eight celsius, then they start to run the boots, and

884
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 2>that means then it gets very fluffy, and sometimes you

885
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>get like ten branches, and then you start again. And

886
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:50.559
<v Speaker 2>when this happens after eight weeks of flowering again, twelve

887
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.079
<v Speaker 2>weeks of flowering starts and then I be talking about

888
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:58.159
<v Speaker 2>twenty weeks and that's too much. That's why you really,

889
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you really know, it's really a very difficult plan to grow.

890
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 2>If you have too much nutrients, they start to right

891
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and they start to do crazy things.

892
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 4>And if you do it the right way. It takes

893
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:12.800
<v Speaker 4>twelve or thirteen weeks.

894
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And and the right is not one hour above

895
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.599
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight gray clses, not one day when you have

896
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>one day when when your airco breaks down or something, it's.

897
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Gone, it's gone. So you, uh, what excites you about

898
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:38.159
<v Speaker 3>your new your new venture with super Stativa Seed Club.

899
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.599
<v Speaker 4>Are you working? Are you working with your son? Are

900
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 4>you working with I.

901
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Worked a little bit my son. Yeah, I have two cents.

902
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:50.800
<v Speaker 2>And and then and also we are we are we

903
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.519
<v Speaker 2>are very close to get the permits to grow and

904
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:59.199
<v Speaker 2>al and legal. Yeah, because now the Dutch government issued

905
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.880
<v Speaker 2>ten permits to grow legal for the coffee shops. And

906
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 2>we were lucky enough to win the lottery. Because it

907
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 2>was a lottery, hundred and fifty people applied for the

908
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 2>for the license and only forty went through the first round.

909
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Because you need to be able to grow a lot

910
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:20.239
<v Speaker 2>of feed, you need to have money, you need to

911
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>have the skills to do it, you need to have

912
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 2>the contents in the coffee shop. And we all have this.

913
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.440
<v Speaker 2>And then basically there were forty people left and then

914
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.119
<v Speaker 2>they made a lottery and we were lucky enough to

915
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.079
<v Speaker 2>win one of the pyramids.

916
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:38.559
<v Speaker 3>So when you win it, does that mean that at

917
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 3>some point in the future, like Matt and I could

918
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:45.840
<v Speaker 3>fly to Holland and we could buy superstitiva seed club

919
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:50.360
<v Speaker 3>weed at coffee. Yes, and it would be branded and

920
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.519
<v Speaker 3>we know it was from you, and you threw it

921
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:54.599
<v Speaker 3>in a legal facility, and then you'd sell it to

922
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.320
<v Speaker 3>like dam Kring or somebody like that.

923
00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 2>That's the idea. Yes, that's the idea.

924
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.880
<v Speaker 4>That's very exciting.

925
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the idea. It will take it because now

926
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it's a government basement, so it takes a little bit lore.

927
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, as you can imagine, we're waiting, waiting, waiting,

928
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 2>waiting that one one. Then a few weeks and a

929
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:21.239
<v Speaker 2>month we will get the permit, and then.

930
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:23.679
<v Speaker 4>It's very fun.

931
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 2>We do it in a peaceful way because.

932
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 4>That's that's it's a lifetime of waiting for that. Huh.

933
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because for me especially, it's very nice because then

934
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:37.840
<v Speaker 2>the circle is around, you know.

935
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, California is the same way.

936
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.679
<v Speaker 4>It's just become legal.

937
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.639
<v Speaker 3>But a lot of money, a lot of rules, a

938
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:51.039
<v Speaker 3>lot of regulations, a lot of government involved, a lot

939
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:51.800
<v Speaker 3>of permits.

940
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, be lucky enough to to have the example of

941
00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Canada and the US to tell our government if you

942
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 2>want to make this a success, they don't make the

943
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:07.800
<v Speaker 2>same mistakes as they did in Canada. So because in

944
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Canada people from the black market can't be involved in this.

945
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:16.039
<v Speaker 2>But here in Holland, we told the government without people

946
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:19.920
<v Speaker 2>from the black market, this is not going to be successful. No,

947
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:22.599
<v Speaker 2>the people from the black market, they know how to

948
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:27.400
<v Speaker 2>do it. And basically where there's the government can get

949
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.840
<v Speaker 2>information from, they can't. You can't read the information about

950
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>these kind of things in the paper. So you need

951
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.840
<v Speaker 2>to talk with people from the black market. We basically

952
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.400
<v Speaker 2>helped the government to make this happen.

953
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:43.719
<v Speaker 4>You did, you worked with the government is.

954
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Wise enough to understand that they don't can do this

955
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:49.000
<v Speaker 2>without the black market.

956
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.119
<v Speaker 3>So then when if they make it legal, will you

957
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 3>mostly be going in greenhouses like traditionally we bought.

958
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>A nice greenhouse and we'll do a combination of greenhouse

959
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and indoor growing.

960
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:05.239
<v Speaker 4>An indoor growing.

961
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Organic gab you would be very one hundred percent again again.

962
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you call it bio over there.

963
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:15.920
<v Speaker 2>That's bio here. Yeah, it's called it by bio. Yeah,

964
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:21.199
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, the circle is around then, Yeah, do we

965
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.519
<v Speaker 2>have more questions? It's nice talking.

966
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 3>We can talk for hours, of course, no, I mean

967
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:27.960
<v Speaker 3>we can, we can wrap it up if you want.

968
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.719
<v Speaker 3>That was I mean, it is nice talking just because

969
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean to us, you guys are like the you

970
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:37.920
<v Speaker 3>guys are like the first wave. Yeah, I think we

971
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.480
<v Speaker 3>know your name, put your neck out there. You had

972
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:45.239
<v Speaker 3>companies and seeds. Yeah, a lot of this stuff that

973
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 3>we grow today has a lot of your guys's genetics

974
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:49.119
<v Speaker 3>in it.

975
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, And that's nice

976
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to hear it. Man. And then we see, we are

977
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 2>very happy to see what's going on in the state,

978
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 2>in the States, and we you have you have of

979
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.840
<v Speaker 2>course a very feel very serious seed companies over there

980
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.599
<v Speaker 2>now and full of everything, you know, everything, and it's

981
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:15.519
<v Speaker 2>really we are really happy to see. But nowadays it's

982
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:21.440
<v Speaker 2>called Cali wet here in Holland. That's really uh, the

983
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.519
<v Speaker 2>guys are doing a great job over there.

984
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 4>That's awesome, really excited. I mean, if things opened up,

985
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:28.559
<v Speaker 4>I would love to.

986
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.159
<v Speaker 3>Obviously we can share as much knowledge as we want

987
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:35.559
<v Speaker 3>without getting in trouble, but hopefully we can, hopefully one

988
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 3>day soon we can share more strains and more seeds

989
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:43.480
<v Speaker 3>again and and everything.

990
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.480
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, if.

991
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:48.320
<v Speaker 3>If, if you want to wrap it up here that

992
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:49.440
<v Speaker 3>that's that's wonderful.

993
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:52.519
<v Speaker 4>I thank you so much for your time. It was

994
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 4>wonderful to hear these stories.

995
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:58.280
<v Speaker 3>It was really nice, really appreciate, and we could do it.

996
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.239
<v Speaker 2>And you have more questions, it's all it's fun to

997
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:03.280
<v Speaker 2>answer the man.

998
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.440
<v Speaker 3>I would love to I would love to do it again. Yeah,

999
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:07.880
<v Speaker 3>how about it again soon?

1000
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, y, good wonderful day, ca very nice to meet. Yeah, alrighte,

1001
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:15.360
<v Speaker 2>bye bye