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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from
the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England.
My name is Craig Brant, author, the investigator and collector
of stories. Join me as we take a journey into
the paranoral UFO sitings, cryptozoology.
Speaker 3: And big cats. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. Welcome
to episode fifty five of Paranorimal Pendal, broadcast into the
Paranorial UK Network at PAUK radio dot com. So my
guest on this episode really glad to have him on today.
It's a bit of sorting out, mainly because as you've
probably noticed, I haven't done a podcast for about a month.
I unfortunately came down with COVID for the second time,
which sort of put me out for about about three
weeks again. So if you know, if people people tell
you it's a it's a cold, it isn't. So that's
why we've been a little bit a little bit lazy
putting podcasts out over the last last few weeks. But
I'm really pleased to have Mark Reynolds with me today.
We've had two reschedule so thanks for being so patient
with you, Mark, and great to have you on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for having me, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Our problem at all. So we we initially contacted, don't we?
On on Facebook?
Speaker 1: We Yeah, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 3: I think you might have started following my page. I
can't remember now, but we definitely, we definitely started talking
on on on Facebook. We have a little bit of
a common interest in championship football teams, if I remember rightly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Rubbish Ones, Yeah, your your store, Arty stock City,
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And for people who know me, I'm very sadly black
and rovers. But you know, it's not all it's not
It's not all one hundred million pounds transfers.
Speaker 1: Is it like it is in the Pressis no.
Speaker 3: Scraps, don't we So?
Speaker 4: So yeah, no matter what, we're still following, won't we
say do? No matter what what we say about we're
still following. We're still idiots.
Speaker 3: So we absolutely you've got to You've got to follow
your team, aren't you, through through the the good times
and and the very bad times. So it's h yeah,
So it's it's been great to contact with you and
to just you know, basically, we've been talking on Facebook
for a while, so I wanted to get you on
and have a bit of a chat with you because
you've been interested in the paranorimal for a long time.
So you tell me, So tell me how it all
started for you.
Speaker 4: Then I think, really it's been from a child, and
I think more than anything, I think UFO is my
biggest thing, an Office's office, Clark's mysterious world, and that's
what got me into the paranormal lot there in the
strange a little bit more than anything, because that was
that was all at the time, and then obviously most
of wanted to come along as as probably everyone knows,
and that was it really, and I.
Speaker 1: Just started to follow buy a UFO magazine.
Speaker 4: Every time it come out, I get a copy of it,
so I read about it, learned about it. But my
memory is not very good, so I forget a lot.
So that's the only problem I have sometimes and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1: But it's just got me. I've just been interested in it.
Speaker 4: And then I like a lot bit of witchcrafty stuff,
so like with me, pagan and stuff and all that,
so it's just come along.
Speaker 1: But as I've got older, Yeah, got back into more
than anything.
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's interesting then because that well when are you.
Are you a practicing pagan.
Speaker 1: No, I'd live to be.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd love to be, but I think work
and life just gets away sometimes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do believe.
Speaker 4: That paganism and spiritualism and ghost hunting and all this
well if one call it ghost dunting, it's all linked anyway.
Speaker 1: So it's all it's all a metaphysical thing. And I
think that's the right word for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean, have you ever had
any paranormal experiences yourself or is it just is it
just something that you sort of read about and enjoy
finding out about, you know, various different places and stuff
that are reputably haunted.
Speaker 4: I I've had a few experiences myself, and and I'll
honestly say, now I'm the biggest, biggest skeptic in the
world that sometimes I just messing. When I tried when
I first started out on it the corn with the
skeptic in the group, but it was for years and
years ago, So.
Speaker 1: I just tried because some of it is.
Speaker 4: It can be explained a way quite easily. It's not
a problem explained quiet. And obviously the powerate suggestion is
a big thing as well in it which which everyone
seems to fall into what they used to fall into
it when I was doing it originally anyway, because I
mean it suggested and everyone's all of a sudden everyone's
got it.
Speaker 1: The cold spot, there's that. Yeah, I felt that. I
felt that, and I felt all.
Speaker 4: This, and but then what what I used to try
and do, and.
Speaker 1: It's try to break away.
Speaker 4: If I was another group, I try breakaway and go
on my own because I think sometimes when you know
and you can pick a little things up that you
think it's a bit strange. And when as we have
a group up, we did a place called wood Form,
which is local to me, and I don't know whether
he does investigations up that's still not too short to
be honest, but it's near it across the abbey, an
old abbey, and he's got a brand new bourne built
there and there's just something up there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't explain. I sat. I had
one night up there.
Speaker 4: I had to go move away from everybody and sit
on the stage on the bottom of the stage and
I was sitting there. I could feel like a draft
coming in and I thought, well, someone off the door
first straight away at the top.
Speaker 1: But no, there's nothing that. I couldn't feel anything like that.
Speaker 4: It was like people literally walking past me when past me,
and I shouted one of my friends over and I
said to him, said, just come down here, man, just
just sit by, saying can you feel I said no, nothing,
sat back down there.
Speaker 1: I felted again, and I thought, this is really strange.
Is something really strange going on here?
Speaker 4: And I can't explain that a way, But after I
got told it was apparently part of professional way from
the monks to the abbey. So whether I was picking
something up from that, I don't know. But it's strange
that no one else seemed to get the scene. But
we did some We played some monk chanting music and
we seemed got a lot of responses to it as well.
Speaker 1: It's quite interesting, to be fair.
Speaker 3: So what what sort of things happened when you did
that then? Can you remember?
Speaker 4: Well, there was there was things, there's things moving around,
There was no revises and everything. It was just seemed
like it just kicked something off. It was only those
people about two or three minutes. But it wasn't it
wasn't majorly just but there was something definitely happening in
that place when it happened, which for me, I'm.
Speaker 1: Still trying to explain the bigges away. It was still trying. Well,
it could be that it could be there, and it could.
Speaker 4: Be there, but I think probably that's the way allowed
to work. I think, more than anything, I'm not the
swords personal just going and expect get something because I
don't think it's the right way to work.
Speaker 1: To be fair, No, it isn't.
Speaker 3: And that's that's one of the big bug bears that
I have with paranorimal investigator groups that charge money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree, I agree. I do agree
with you on that.
Speaker 3: When you're paying to go to a place that you
are told is haunted, and you're paying, you expect to
see something or hear something, And you're right about your
senses being heightened. I mean, there's obviously a lot of
study has been done about how our senses adapt if
you're in total darkness, for instance, so when you haven't
got your eyesight, you suddenly you're hearing or you smell
becomes more heightened and you can pick things up that
you wouldn't know. And so that again is one of
the reasons why a lot of these paranormal investigation units
do things at night, you know, I mean, ghosts do
not at night.
Speaker 4: Now, I totally agree with you on that, And to
be honest, most of Mars just been in the daytime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you's been a daytime definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So do you think you're very in tune with.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Do you think you have?
Speaker 4: I have been told they am, but personally I don't
think I am, but but.
Speaker 1: I must be, if you know, it's a bit of
a I.
Speaker 4: Think it's just that skeptical side on me again, coming
just coming out again.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't knock anybody for an experience.
Speaker 4: I won't knock them because people do have experiences which
they can't explain away, but mine.
Speaker 1: I find it quite funny to be fair.
Speaker 4: And someone's something on Facebook today, I've answer the question
mark about you feel intimidated, but I went, now, don't
I don't feel that if something comes around me spirit wise,
I don't feel intimidated at all. I just don't get that.
Oh oh, I don't like it any I'm going to
run away. I just I think I'm wanting to find
out what's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you don't know the sort of
screaming oh God.
Speaker 4: And to be honest, I think that for me could
be a lot to do with. I know one person
is very very empathic. It's very empathic. So it depicts
anything up which the class is dark mm hmm. Straight
away it's horrible and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I don't like that, and it's
horrible in the ear.
Speaker 4: But there's a place where there's a place actually gleam
quite a nice.
Speaker 1: Is just a place that we do.
Speaker 4: We used to do a place called the Outdalritge Museum
in Stoke or Chesting, so contransitors. Yeah, and the team
I used to actually still do it. They still run
it actually there. But that place is very very strange.
It's got a very very strange thing about it. Now
there's a there's a museum there now it's center there
because it's been on mine there.
Speaker 1: And but up the road there was a round and fought.
Speaker 4: It's not a very well known room fort and across
the way from it there's a rooman village and a
bit of a room and settlement there and actually one
of my old hours I used to live in Chesterton.
Speaker 1: It was actually on the room and building. I didn't
notice on the other day.
Speaker 4: They fired out on the other day, but a bit
of l after their years now, which is quite interesting.
But I I thought to myself, one day, I'll go
into this investigation open minded as I am anyway, but
you know, I'm not going to go in negative because
I'm quite a negative person, to be honest. But when
I went to this and when I went in, and
I thought to myself, no, you know, I'm gonna go
in and not going negative, not go dark, but we're negative,
not I just going normal. And the place just lightened
up for me, if you know what I mean by that.
It wasn't it. It's it's there's cold spots there, and
it's very strange that we've asked. We've asked the mining
staff there. There's no pits on there where the coal
spots can be coming from.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So outside at the back of the building, it's like
a little sort of alleywayte sort of things that goes
on to a car park.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the people said to be the
car park. I was very interesting. It picked a couple
of the car park.
Speaker 4: So this one time I went investigation, went around the
back and I said, I just got people to go
around the back at the museum just to see what
they've got an experience.
Speaker 1: And they also, oh, yeah, it's cold. There's a real
coal spot there, aren't there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And and I'm more are I well, I'm being
a bit more about this now and me just think
about this now and get me head round it.
Speaker 1: What's going on here? And I just thought to myself,
you know, this.
Speaker 4: Is an old spirit. It's a very very old spirit.
And that's all about getting we had. It's a very
very old spirit. Now people have said to me the
bad this albumed to them there, this album to them there,
which I've never experienced, or I can't. It's not my
up to me to say if they if they're not,
I don't know. But to me, it just seems like
a spiritual wants to be left alone. Yeah, And and
I think some times people can go in a bit
to all. It's it's like a child and wants your attention.
They're going to product you, they're going to pull out you,
they're going to do this. You're going to do this,
aren't the other time? They're gonna They're going to want
to make get your attention, aren't it. So yeah, and
then the more I've gone after that, you know, there's
there's spirituals. People left alone, Just leave me alone, Just
let me get on with what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: But I think.
Speaker 4: People going in and making it dark and making it
negative and making it making it worse, if you know
what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, by by by being over over emotional about
it and overreacting.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, and I just think I think it
promotes a negative side of.
Speaker 3: It, absolutely, yeah. I mean we have a now we
we have a saying in Lancashire, you know, going and
I'm fisted.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, which yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know it means going in with both feet, you know,
jumping in and not not thinking about the consequences. And
I certainly believe that there are some people, you know,
I'm not toring everybody with the same brush. I mean,
I can't because I'd like to interview some of them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, but you know, I'm sure that there are
a lot of very ethical investigators, but there are and
a lot of them tend to be for entertainment purposes.
So we're talking about TV TV investigators that you know,
the really well known ones. It's just purely that's all
it is. It's just entertainment. Yeah. Yeah, And they're going
to provoke a response from people around them rather than
trying to actually establish whether there is any energy there
or there is any you know, is any RESI dual
energy which is perhaps left behind.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean a friend of mine, I mean Duli,
a friend of mine who's a me and and she
got totally overwhelmed there by.
Speaker 1: I've just not never ever experienced that.
Speaker 4: Whether that's because I'm not learning the man, I don't know.
But the interesting thing about a dale is I am
I went a talk up there. This is a This
was about a couple of months ago now, I think
local arcological group up there.
Speaker 1: And the.
Speaker 4: Interesting thing about that was that I instinctively thought, is
this spiritual?
Speaker 1: Is a ritual side? Is it all this and all that?
Speaker 4: And I thought no, I sort of slipped away from
that a lot of bit because it's very easy to
get into the ritual thing and on old sides. And
I asked the archaeology guy said, well, there's been nothing
found there that's Roman.
Speaker 1: There's nothing. There's been no artobacks found there or anything
like that.
Speaker 4: But about maybe two hundred yards down the road where
you come in, when the driveway come up to the site,
the possibly was an old Roman road. It's not marked now.
When he told me that, I went, oh, I'm to say,
oh shit, oh Shire. Now that could correspond with what
I was getting the back in the museum, because it's
literally two hundred yards away.
Speaker 1: Now, Roman side and Roman roads always.
Speaker 4: Had things go on, even if it said just a
lot of Roman road, a lot of Roman road, because
the original Romen road that runs from the fort at
Chasterton was Racknard Street.
Speaker 1: Which is where where I live.
Speaker 4: No, I actually live off it, to be fair, I
live on the same Roman road, but the other end
of the city, if you know what I mean. But
this road he thinks around from where the fort was
up to a lot of village called Mainly and wh
she's the other side of your castle on the line. Now,
if that's right, it just proves that it has it
is a Roman road. He's still researching, he's still going
to check it mhm. But it could well have been
just a guy selling his wares at the side of
the road.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was doing ritual stuff at the side of
the road. Yeah, he couldn't it could have been doing
it there. We don't know, but it's very likely, very likely.
Speaker 4: Even though it's a small Roman road going off that
we don't know about, there was people selling wars up
and the gain on there.
Speaker 1: So maybe is that what we're getting. Is that what
everyone's getting there? I don't know, And there.
Speaker 3: Will have been a lot of a lot of foot
traffic as well from.
Speaker 1: The yeah, of course, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean there are a lot of
there are a lot of minor Roman roads, you know.
I mean we all know about the main ones Wattling
Street and yeah, well that's all those, you know, that's
the first one that comes to mind. I can't think
of any other. Fosswear there's another one, but I mean
we you know, there is there is a minor Roman
road here near needs where I live, and there has
been strange things happen in the area where that it
is marked on the map. I mean, it's it's obviously,
you know, only part of it that they found. It
will stretch, you know, further on on both sides. It
obviously will connect somewhere to somewhere. Yeah, but you know,
they have found part of it which goes to a
very very small settlement at Ribchester on the River Ribble.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was yeah, yeah, it was an inland port. And
in fact they've done a lot of we're going into archaeology.
They've done a lot of archaeology there and they actually
a few years ago on earth a bath house, so
you can actually go and go and have a look
at that. So my point is that you know, there
will have been legions using all different types of roads,
you know, and and that sort of thing can leave
leave things behind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I just think, I think definitely energies
are left behind.
Speaker 1: There's no share of doubt about that in my mind.
And anyway, I'm a great believer in that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you could have been picking up anything, Yeah, Yeah,
I could have been Yeah, you could have been.
Speaker 3: Picking up a Roman soldier.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They could have died on that road. I mean, they
might have been marched so much that somebody collapsed and died.
They might have been ill and died, you know, or
it could have been somebody who, like you say, had
a pitch they're selling stuff to the people that were
using the road, and they've just not not moved on
when they've died because they were that attached to that
and what they were doing. I mean, there's all sorts
of explanations, but it's interesting that you picked up on it,
because I think that's a really interesting point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there was.
Speaker 4: There was actually something sad inside as well, which I
found quite interesting because another person there they thought there
was a lot of bones are a lot of old bones.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I think that's what threw me off the ritual side
of things, because apparently I found out since they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Find no bones are because ritual started to clear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so anything that was done ritual merchialistic was actually
carried away.
Speaker 3: It could have been a burial.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean if you if you look at
the place now, you'd never think there's a room road
there because it's been been quarried away. To his mind,
has been quarried there. The place is life completely different now.
But when he takes up onto the when you have
a walk around the actual park itself, now it's like
you have a walk around the park. Now you're up
on the hill and you look to where the school is,
you can actually see a straight line of trees, a
perfect straight line, And I think that's what's gone into thinking,
you know, this could be a road, because I think
he must have heard rumors as a road that runs
to a lot of the village school made we see
it could be that, it could be that that's what
it was.
Speaker 1: Now if if that is true and that does come
out to be true.
Speaker 4: That's quite interesting for me because I think I've actually
got something there.
Speaker 1: So you need to do more research then yeah, yeah,
well I'm waiting. Well, hopefully it's paper.
Speaker 4: When he's he'stone do the papers because he' obviously in
arcology has got to do his papers.
Speaker 1: He's got to do it right anti So yeah, yeah,
I mean I went. It's like Matt Locke Pavilion, not
Mouth for the Matt little town all. Yeah. I went there.
Speaker 4: This This was virtually the second time I got invited
with the group. I went with with a ghost guarding
me from Stoke and we went there.
Speaker 1: I've got a private invact.
Speaker 4: Me and my wife went and there's only a couple
of hours I went, and that for me, it was
proper I've had I've never had proper proof like I
had there more than anything.
Speaker 1: So we went around investigation.
Speaker 4: You expect to get in a place like that, you
go and the dance floor, you expect to get movement
on the dance floor, which, yeah, there's a little bits
and bob, but I didn't really get a lot of that.
But people sort got fascinated with this stairway, and I
was like, I'm gonna have I'm going to have.
Speaker 1: A walk around. And I walked down the oiler and thinking, oh,
this is strange.
Speaker 4: Now I've got somebody, I've got people falling here, thought
that the foul right, and thought, what's going on here?
Speaker 3: The stairs?
Speaker 4: Well, well, well well what after this there? I sort
of got ignored a lot about about it. When I
said it, m born lads was there sort of when
we come to break time, he says, you know it's
set upstairs. I went yeah, about the forty says yeah,
well I've just looked.
Speaker 1: And two people foul from the belt when they were
building the building. Ah right, okay, And that was another
ship moments again.
Speaker 4: But that was quite interesting me because but when I
went up to the actual belt itself, I've got absolutely
no thing right. It just felt comfortable, nothing, but it
was nice to feel that to get something that's actually
improved that I was getting.
Speaker 1: I don't I try not research anything.
Speaker 4: I don't like researching places because I think you can
come out of a load of you can get people
a load of rubbish.
Speaker 1: Can't you just tell them anything? Can't you?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and people will take it out of people will
for for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course there will. Yeah, absolutely. So the building itself, then,
was it? Is it? Is it? You mentioned the dance floor,
so yeah, yeah, it's it's where people used to go
dancing are still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's Victorian member art.
Speaker 4: It's just a Victorian building, so it would have been
used for that sort of entertainment purposes. And I think
they've had stuff going on there when they play black
thirties forties music on the right. But the thing is
a paranormal for me, I've want to find strange. Sometimes
people seem to get stuff that no one else gets.
Speaker 1: I find it.
Speaker 4: It's interesting for me, that is because we're all getting
different experiences in the same place.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now it's been it's been described, hasn't it as
as tuning into different frequencies.
Speaker 4: You know, the more I learned about that, the more
the more I think that is, the more I do
believe that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, an old analog radio where you're twiddling the dials
and you've got to get it just perfect to pick
up you know, the signal clear so you can so
you can hear it. And some people have got that
ability to sort of that internally dial, you know, to
within that. Yeah, such a degree that they can they
can focus in on on different energies. But it but
it is interesting that you go somewhere and one person
can pick up one thing and another person can pick
up another. Myself and my wife went to a school
quite a while ago now, and it's actually in the
first book that I wrote, and we went in one
particular room which was well known for feeling strange, and
I picked up on this strangeness. It was like a heaviness.
But my wife picked up on a name, so she
was feeling and picking up on something completely different to me.
Neither of us pretend to be mediums. Neither of us
you know, well, well we'll say to somebody, you know,
we we can we can go anywhere and pick up
you know, ghosts and spirits and everything. Else. We just
sometimes have a feeling when we go into a place.
So I think it's interesting that you were obviously picking
something up that other people weren't when you went to
this place as well while you were there.
Speaker 4: No, that's a funny thing, is No, I didn't. I
didn't seem to get the only thing I would say,
which i've I didn't really at the times, didn't really
think about it at the time. But we're doing one
in one of the rooms there and oh towards door,
and it seemed like a missed on the door, like
a club where be missed.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I'm just saying that as that just my
eyes not just into the darkness a lot of bit
in the lap.
Speaker 4: But I don't know now because I've heard said by
other people as well now, so I don't know whether that's.
Speaker 1: Before the other yeah, apparently.
Speaker 3: So Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, because sometimes that that can
be a sort of manifestation in itself. Yeah, you know,
sort of misty, not not even the figure really, it
can just be a sort of misty, misty sort of
mass if you like, or just or just a mist
that's just hovering in the air. But it can be
the start of the manifestation or manifestation itself. You know,
I've heard that. I've heard that before.
Speaker 1: Very strange, very strange what that was or No, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's more come to me recently about that, because
I don't know what what's a listening to a podcast
or something.
Speaker 1: I've seen it right somewhere that oh you know.
Speaker 4: I saw that at Matt Locke, right, yeah, and then
it's just oh, I've seen what they've said.
Speaker 1: That's strange. It's strange.
Speaker 4: It's just because I've got forced out, it's all forgot
about it that someone's mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, I'm going I did see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they come back to you. Yeah, I've I've people
have told me of similar experiences from different places, all
all over the country. So it's it's it's a phenomenon
that happens. It's just we don't really probably understand what
it is.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean things of the paranormal. Are
we ever going to understand it? I don't think we are,
Are we? No? I just think it's one of them
things that.
Speaker 4: I think that like, I think I'll say that I've
said this before to do I think ninety nine percent
of it can be explained away anyway, but that one
percent will just keep you a little bit of interest
in it, which is like me because I mean I
come away from me completely years ago, but I just
got back into it again and it's got me to
go in a little bit for you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not not a group no more.
Speaker 4: But I like to go out and try and get
see one pick up in old buildings and all stuff
like that.
Speaker 1: Like I've said before, But I.
Speaker 4: Just think sometimes it's you've got to do it on
your own as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're being influenced by other people, then are you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: I mean we've we've done inveastgations before and I've worked
with people and it's been absolutely brilliant. And then other people.
I mean we went shoes for prison there shoes in prison.
Speaker 1: For me. I didn't. I didn't race It's all.
Speaker 4: Right, But but I think that's because the people, the
guests we've got, weren't getting involved enough, if you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a laughing a joke with them
we took.
Speaker 4: And I think sometimes it gets a bit it loses
that use that energy levels.
Speaker 1: Don't you a little better?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, if you're not, if you're not taking
it at least seriously. I think it's if you've got
people who are messing about it. This is one of
the reasons why again I'm the same as you. I
don't go on group investigations. I'd have to be very
careful about who I went on the investigations with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I'm like that. I mean I went.
Speaker 4: I went to Orby jail on statured. I had a
private chamber doorby jail, just we were just out having your.
Speaker 1: Coffee when my lady were in and one of the
lads who work there give me I went there, do
I wey jail?
Speaker 4: And that I found that interesting place because it's there
was things there that it's like it's like people coming
past your walking past you, like.
Speaker 1: Cool drafts every now and.
Speaker 4: Again, and and you're trying, I'm trying to spot where
the cool drafts coming from.
Speaker 1: Nothing there. It's like people.
Speaker 4: It's like people moving around you and about you, and and.
Speaker 1: That stored stuff alive.
Speaker 4: And that's that's why I laughing joke about a lot
that Yeah, it's not horrible, it doesn't it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel horrible and nothing.
Speaker 4: I don't get nothing horrible with it, which which I think,
I mean touch ward.
Speaker 1: I might be lucky, but I don't get possessed or
nothing like that.
Speaker 4: Which which could take me to another story. But AF
give back for a few years of that. That was
just for me, one of the funniest things. And I've
got to laugh about because it's so funny.
Speaker 3: You have to tell me.
Speaker 1: We went into this pub and leak we went downstairs
in the salad.
Speaker 3: Sorry, and a leak.
Speaker 1: Quite yeah, yeah, it was in the Red Line and Lee.
Speaker 3: Right, I think, yeah, yeah, but I staid there one
New year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well the Sally went in the salads.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, looks quite interesting. Actually, to be fair, I'm
not I'm not far from there about savagect marl away
from Leak.
Speaker 1: We are where we live.
Speaker 4: So she's in the salad and she she she just
totally went, something's got me. She goes on the floor
and I'm thinking that the guy the media at the time,
so I said first he says, but yeah, but I'm sorry,
but I'm not doing anything. He says, why because I
think she's play acting. M and you could sort of
see it. Anny, you can see building up and I
thought you anyway, I said, lesson, I said, I'm going
to just go out the way because.
Speaker 1: I don't believe she's been possessed by something. I just
don't believe it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And literally I went to the stars, I got
myself a drink upstairs, and it must have been five
minutes of that she come up.
Speaker 1: Went.
Speaker 4: Now, if she's been possessed by something, within five minutes
she suddenly come around and gone and walked out of
the port, I'm gone out.
Speaker 1: See right to me that it's not.
Speaker 3: Gonna happen, is it? I mean the the late great
dry Kakora. Oh, I think probably started a bit of
a trend of this. But I just find it. I
just find it so so negative when people.
Speaker 4: I do, I can't see, I can't see the point.
Speaker 1: What's the point in gerwy to play? Act? There is?
Speaker 4: And that's the same with any group. Seeing with any group,
I mean the best groups out there, and they probably
knew who they are anyway, but they will play after
they will put it on.
Speaker 1: They will put it on for the gas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I said earlier on if people are paying, yeah,
you know, to go on to to see a ghost,
and then.
Speaker 1: You won't see a ghost.
Speaker 3: Something's going to happen, isn't it. You know, otherwise they're
not going to come back and keep paying.
Speaker 4: They Well, the group I was with years and years ago,
they did quite a good thing because they probably disclaim it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I never had to sound disclaiming because people were trying
to get the money back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we haven't seen a ghost, we haven't heard anything.
Speaker 3: And thinking, well, I'm going to man, you know, I mean,
it's not like Ghostbusters, is it. You're not going to No,
it's not full tours. So how did you describe it?
Full tours or free floating?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 3: The woman down in the library, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the white lady.
Speaker 3: Around don't see anything like that? Are you now? That
brings us actually onto One of the places you mentioned
in your in the preparaity email that you sent was
White Ladies Priory?
Speaker 4: Well, well, what can I say about that place? Shot
a bit of a.
Speaker 1: Bit of an experience for me.
Speaker 4: Okay, they forget something what I got there, and and
I still to this day, I still can't explain it.
And and it says me go to things every time
when I mentioned my experiences, so literally it's come about.
Speaker 1: I've read I know guys wrote a few books. I know,
but his name it's gone anyway. But you mentioned while
his priory in his book. Thought we're gonna go Whiteley's Priory.
It's not. It's about off an hour way. I think
something for me. Four genes with me. So it's not far.
It's on the staffship wolver Rampton board it right, So.
Speaker 4: We goes well, it's near boss gerbal house where Charles
the second first.
Speaker 1: I always getting always got the Charles numbers wrong.
Speaker 4: He was actually old up there when he was on
the run, Charles first, Charles First, But that was shut
so we couldn't get in there. But we'll go down
to Whitelady's Priory. No one there, just me and my
wife walking around. And and then like I said before,
I got a fascination for old churches. I think a
lot of it comes to think what was on the
line before and stuff like that. But I'm walking around
it's like the spot on the on the prior where
it's been a burnt wall, no other in the fireplace,
and I don't know whether it was just in fire
that's been caused by somebody having the fire there.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the ears touched the wall, which
I like to do some times.
Speaker 4: I sometimes get that little bit of feeling off the
buildings and stuff like that. And so put me on
the wall, like oh, sort of pulled away quickly, you know,
it's strange. Put my hand back on the foot and
only hand on the wall which were dead, and it
was like, I was like, I may spend three or
four minutes behind on the wall. Come away, And I
thought it, no, why am I so upset? And I
started to cry physically cry. I mean, so I don't know,
I don't know, tears with.
Speaker 1: That face I was crying. Thought, oh god, I was
happy here.
Speaker 4: Very very strange, like an emotional attachment to the building.
So yeah, I mean, I don't my words were it
was like the most haunted moment. That would be words
because it's one of the moments when you think, you
see it on TV, we don't expect it to happened
to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just been put on.
Speaker 4: So anyway, on the way back home, we stopped off
and Stone on the way back home and have a drink,
and we saw Marley saw doing bit of research. Now
what we found out as it was set up by
well they think it was set up. There's a lot
of there's a lot of discrepancies on who actually set
it up. But the one we found was set up
by a woman named Amy.
Speaker 1: But she was the daughter of a guy named Reynolds
upon the act or something like.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of the places from, but
somewhere in shops on a book. Oh my, that's a bit.
Speaker 1: The same surnames. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit. This is
a bit strange.
Speaker 4: But I've done a bit more stuff after since, which
is recently actually, And there's also another woman named Amy.
She was married to this this this lord or this
guy this I can't remember his name now for his name,
but he was quite well, he was quite well known.
But on that one it says she didn't know her
father right, So I don't know what's what's what, But
I thought that I thought.
Speaker 1: The Reynolds name coming up was quite interesting because.
Speaker 4: I was spelt as well. Well, the spelt it the
old way, and the rat spelt it r e r
e y n a l ds like mine. It is
normally spelt r E n U. L. D. S or
the French sort of Norman sort of way of it.
And I just found what was that about? What what
was that about?
Speaker 1: It's really it. It still shocks me now, to be fair.
Speaker 3: Do you ever sort of get the urge to to
look into your family train?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I have started, but but the interesting thing with family
tree is which I can't get that far back, and
I've got back to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: But the Reynolds is originally my dad.
Speaker 4: Didn't know his dad, so I can't I can't trace,
so I've got me down at me nana's name sort
of thing, you know what I mean. He's got a surname,
my dad's surname. So, but the Reynolds is apparently we're
from Glossom, Gloucester Bristol area originally, so through sort of
borderline is Gloucester Bristol area, which takes me on to
another little investigation we did so when we got into
when we're first during the Ghost Academy, we want we
want a competition to go on investigation or investigations at
Biston Hall now never been besting all news that i'd
never been now went to Hall ambition. No, it's quite
interesting to be fair. It's all by its own by
some antique guy. Now some big massive antique guy, quite
well known guy.
Speaker 3: Whereabouts is it?
Speaker 4: It's just it's in Stafford, Hire. A. Yeah, so it's
the same, not far from Stafford. Actually it's not far
from Stafford.
Speaker 1: But we went into one room.
Speaker 4: And and god, I don't I don't like saying this
because I don't I don't like them to be fair
to running an app on the phone. I'm not sure
which it was, but this name come up, Emily or
Emma name come up, but she doesn't relate to which
doesn't relate to.
Speaker 1: The other. I I'm thinking white ladies.
Speaker 4: But my wife had to come out of the room
because she felt quite emotional quality overwhelmed with something.
Speaker 1: She felt like someone have been.
Speaker 4: Abuse there or something like that. So anyway, he gets
back the next few days, the better be searched. There
was a woman named Emmy will live there.
Speaker 1: She's a housemaid. He'll live there.
Speaker 4: So we did a better found a name out, a
better tracking down on the sandses we found out she died.
She went down to Glocester and Bristol area, Gloucester area.
I think it was Bristol Gloucester. Oh so it was bath.
It was bath, sorry, bath, which is not far off.
So we looked at the household. The living in the
household was an actual blot named John Reynolds.
Speaker 1: All right, okay, so before and.
Speaker 4: That's all calm for the first sort of all quite
close to Gavin, I thought.
Speaker 1: So there was a strange finger as well. The names
come up again.
Speaker 4: They're not related by the way that that John Mayld's
allow doesn't related to me.
Speaker 1: There's John Melds to be found about. I don't think
up with me. I can't find any link.
Speaker 4: So no, so it was surnames come up again, which
is quite interesting coincidence.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's not it's not that common a surname.
Speaker 1: Is that it's square.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's quire common, say name, but right, But
it's just I just find it strange that I don't know,
it's come up twice, quite close to gather.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well yeah, there's a coincidence, definitely, Yeah yeah.
So yeah interesting then so you obviously had an emotional reaction.
Yeah yeah, when you touch the wall.
Speaker 4: I don't I've been back sentence. I didn't get nothing, nothing, no,
but whether that's because I was expecting it to get something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If your mind works a funny ways,
don't it.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you mind just think, well, i'll go back, I'll
get something else going to happen now.
Speaker 1: But he didn't, So I don't mind. I didn't get anything.
It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you're expecting it, then yeah, it
doesn't necessarily necessarily happen that way, does it.
Speaker 1: So no, No, it's I don't know. The paranormals a
tricky thing. And is it paranormal?
Speaker 4: Is it just psychologically your mind just thinking you can
do this, or I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean the store tap theory is quite interesting,
isn't it, Because well, obviously, yeah, energy being stored within
a building or within a within a place, or or
you know.
Speaker 1: I think we need to have a name for that. Really,
don't we still take fey?
Speaker 3: Yeah? We do these days because we don't. We don't
use tips anymore. So you can tell how long ago
it was that somebody. Yeah, yeah, you know, we'd have
to call it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, absolutely I did.
Speaker 4: I did, Actually I did actually buy take recording to
record ev P s Yeah, but it doesn't work. Now
stop working, right, I want to take it didn't work.
It worked fine before I take it.
Speaker 1: It just didn't work. It stopped working.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sometimes yeah, an electrical interference, kin, which is an interesting
thing in itself. I think that certain places that does
seem to be more electro magnetic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is why I think than others. That's why
I think. I went Mosey, mose the old old. I
went Mosely and I walked with the gardens, and I went,
oh God, here we go again. Marley says, well, so
we look at them over there, walking over there past
the wall.
Speaker 1: There's no one there, just.
Speaker 4: Wall, and I could see it's clearly as obviously you now,
Craig earnestly yea. And it was just to repeat, I repeat, repeat,
It must have been gone on for about too many
It wasn't like a brief thing.
Speaker 1: It was like a too many thing of seeing.
Speaker 4: People walking along the wall, like walking like strolling around
the garden, which I think, hang on a man, if
I just seen a quick glance.
Speaker 1: Of it, Yeah, you could think I'm seeing things, but nah,
I don't. I don't know that.
Speaker 4: That's why you say it could be the stone tap
period comes just a memory, that's are you picking up?
Speaker 1: Come back to it? Everybody and you've seen it, so
you actually saw people. I actually saw people.
Speaker 4: There's almost have been about I think about three women
and a couple of blokes. Women, maybe just walking. I'm
not sure. I'd like to see.
Speaker 1: Us a bee from what? I don't know. Did you
feel as if you could be late?
Speaker 3: Did you feel as if you might have been looking
through a time slip?
Speaker 4: But you have never I've never actually thought about it
like that, to be fair, but maybe I could have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you could have been.
Speaker 3: Because you might not necessarily have gone through, but you
might have been seeing something through from a previous time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3: Time slips are there's definitely something to them because of
the number of people who've experienced where they've had a
whole body experience where they've you know, physically felt that
they've been removed from from the present time and and
taken back to a to a past time in that
that particular location.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I always thought the time so don't done
the area around him change though as well?
Speaker 1: Can do Yeah, but yeah, well I didn't. I didn't
have none of that.
Speaker 4: It was like literally, yeah, it was just I could
see him, Yeah, looking through I suppose to through an
invisible curtain. Yeah, if that's if that's the right way Forney.
I suppose that's what I've seeing.
Speaker 3: I suppose that's a good way of good way of
describing it. And somebody ortened the curtains.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe that's it. Yeah, yeah, the
good way is.
Speaker 4: Really that is Yeah, I'll use that one on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bags, tell me then, what you think about layer lines,
because that links him what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got it.
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to write something at the moment. I'm
just waiting. I'm just trying to finish off at the moment.
We all know. I think we all know that a
lot of ancient side to wrong.
Speaker 4: Lay lines if you if you want call them lay
lines or any lines or whatever you want to call them.
And I find them faster because I think if you
think about back in the early days of man, and
if you're walking across a bit of land and you
feel something under your feet, you're going to grab your
mate on you say, look, Dave, oruld have it here?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and what's what to me?
Speaker 4: I think if you don't know what it says, you're
going to go, oh, I'm on on mark the spot.
Speaker 1: I'll put something down on the spot.
Speaker 4: You could put a step down there with stone down
there or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And is that started stone circles?
Speaker 4: Is that the start of your ancient sides being done
by somebody just feeling it through the feet or through.
Speaker 1: The bodies and then marking them, and then obviously the
stones come into it, which then build ye up more
because bagging into the land.
Speaker 4: Because I mean, I mean, realistically, we live on a
magnetic curve to a certain degree, don't we, So the
magnetic fields are there, so you'd feel definitely just sort
of grab into that one spot like a magnet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean by if I'm wording
the start, I'm trying to try and explain it to
what I mean by but you get like a magnetic
field drawing you into that spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, word describing it.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's probably the reason why we've got stone
circles where we've got and we've got size where we've
got them. But somebody just strolling across the land, minding
their own business onto gather into whatever they do and
finding that there just doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then then we get your problem then of.
Speaker 4: Human beings wanting to be more better than the next human.
Speaker 1: Being mm hm. And then you go.
Speaker 4: Into power struggles and religion and all that, and then
it starts everything off, and then we get the old
problem of we destroy everything and and all that would
be lucky, which is what we do and is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's interesting about magnetic fields because there
are our theories that areas of of what's coined by
some people as high you know, areas of high strangeness, yeah,
areas of high UFO activity or paranormal activity or you
know both, or even you know, areas where a lot
of cryptids are cited. Our areas where there is some
sort of geological formation which is causing yea of magnetic
magnetic end.
Speaker 1: It's like you are those drawn to churches. I mean,
I don't know how many case stores of the UFOs.
Speaker 4: Drawn to churches now if well, I'm not gonna say,
and we say when there was something here before the
floods and before natural disasters it and then we come
along and then, to be honest, something for who can
sell I said when you interviewed Field Exel about has
not coming from Apes, and that resonates with me a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't think we did come from apes. I'm just
I just don't think we did.
Speaker 4: I just I felt we come from I want to
I don't want to calling it start us, but like
we come from I'm gonna call it started us.
Speaker 1: So we come from start Us.
Speaker 4: So we formed out of another animals formed another life,
formed out of what comes from the universe.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 4: That's what I believe. That it's more the last few years,
that's what I'm really believing Now. I just don't believe
it comes from apes. I just gotta I don't want
to test now if there was forms of life here before.
Speaker 1: What we what we call humans? And do we use
the word a you know not? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they might, they might be aliens, that they could
be just another form of ours, but.
Speaker 1: Not our lineage, if you know what I mean. But
we get stories, and don't we get stores.
Speaker 4: We get we get UFOs being drawn in caves, we
get stuff being drawn coming from us.
Speaker 1: Our generate, our human people.
Speaker 4: But if you think about before that, the color well
have been people fighting dinosaurs. That that that's suppos been
around when we were around.
Speaker 1: But is that where you get stories out? George and
Dragon from MHM, was was the drag of the dinosaur?
Speaker 4: Were we or were beans fighting dinosaurs? We know dinosaurs
as no doubt about that, but we're there was some
humans or other people fighting these creatures, and the stories
get locked.
Speaker 1: In your memories and.
Speaker 4: Well, you're conscious, i'd last your consciousness when your DNA
and your consciousness have sort of length aunt it. So
to me, if these are coming through generation after generation
after ancestor of ancestor ancestry, we're going again. We're gonna
get stories passed down like that because it was all
word of mouth then wanted to anybody. Yeah, and we
don't got people of power coming in who want to go,
oh no, these didn't exist. No, there's no such fingers fairies,
no such fingers the fingers are but if there was,
they could have slowly killed them out, if you know
what I mean by word about and then all that's
evil that's killed that because it's it's not normal.
Speaker 1: If a lot of fair is.
Speaker 4: Running around the field, something said, got fair, We're going
to kill that MM hmm. It's and it sounds a
bit that what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But we don't know, do we. We just we just
don't know that science is a science is a brilliant thing.
I'm knocking.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you think yourself outsides, you think I'm I'm going
to men, Well the days are something about the day,
but talk about in the nderfals. And he didn't even
say he couldn't even say what we're doing. What's kind
of the hand of fault they.
Speaker 1: Were, He's just a fairst to him.
Speaker 4: He wasn't he wasn't putting them in a category. He
was saying, I don't know what they were. So I
found that quite good that he said it that way.
But where foot tails go along, and I think there
just could be some trip ins on folk tales.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I'm trying to.
Speaker 4: Learn about and get out about and try and right
about as well if I can. Yeah, which relates to
all people seeing things, and but.
Speaker 1: But are you consciously seeing it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sometimes a lot of a lot of
legends are ways that our ancestors explained things that they didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, understand.
Speaker 3: But also I think a lot of the the legends.
I mean, you mentioned George and the Dragon. You know,
it is entirely possible that the were still preachers around
that described that we might not necessarily describe as dragon,
but they did at the time because they had no
other way of explaining what it was. There's a there's
a really interesting fork tale that I remember reading years
and years and years ago. Now, whether it's at an
allegory rather than and just a fork tale rather than
something that's they're usually based on some degree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got me based on something, aren't they?
Speaker 3: Some degree of fact called the Lambton worm.
Speaker 1: Which is but I've heard that, I have heard that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, look it up Wikipedia or you know,
any search engine or anything and it will be on there.
And that is very similar to George and the Dragon.
I think that's an interesting story about how how things
were explained away or how they you know, how these
legends came into into into folklore. And I think a
good guy for for people to read and a guy
that I've had on a couple of times is Mark Coley, who.
Speaker 1: Oh I know Mark. I know Mark. Yeah, I don't
walk quite well. I don't walk quite well at.
Speaker 3: Mark very good. Guess really enjoyed having he goes off down.
You know the sort of folklore routes with a lot
of stuff as well, which is really interesting. So yeah,
layer lines and land energies and that I think are
really interesting. I know of quite a few around here.
I've got no doubt there are quite a few where
you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, to be honest, I'm the same. I won't
go if you you're probably all below.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm I've just ordered myself a copper triangle
and I want, I want to try, but I do
use a pundum. If I cannot use what I want
to try, use the pendulum about touching it right, So
I'm not so I physically can't my hands not so
I know I'm not doing it influencing it. And yeah, yeah,
so I've alladed the and what I'm gonna do, I'm
gonna try up all below.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tie de pendrum beside the triangle. And
you see there is and she's coming off the land.
Speaker 4: Or whether it's created by us but not knowing it,
by these little bit of movements that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's love a little thing.
Speaker 4: I want try because that that would be interesting because
that mright explain away while saying about the humans, the
feeling the land and feeling good are you? So I'm
going to try that the thing because I'm quite lucky
where not far from Harborlow nine Ladies and all them site.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well you'll have to you'll have to put
some some reports on your on your first I'm.
Speaker 4: Just a rubbish writer, rubbish, but I do try. I'm
trying my best because that's what I want to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's there's there's no reason why you shouldn't.
I mean, self publishing these.
Speaker 1: Days is not yeah, yeah around.
Speaker 3: It used to, and everybody starts off as a rubbish writer.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'm just it's just it's what I do
want to write. I write as a speak yeah, and
I get told, well, that's not gonna makes sense to anybody.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. So that's reality. The wife goes
through you to all for but sometimes you fix your figs.
Speaker 3: The only thing you can do is is just write.
Speaker 1: It all down and then yeah that's what do Yeah.
Speaker 3: Once you've written it all down, that's when you start
looking at editing it. And you know the number of
different versions you'll end up with. Is the more versions
you have the better because you're refining it all the time,
you know so, and you're.
Speaker 1: Looking to be honest. When I was and writing them down,
it was better for me. Yeah, I stopped.
Speaker 4: I saw the well, now I need to stop writing
by hand again and then copying, because then when you
change them as you go along, then don't you so?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So yeah, sometimes the old ways are the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what?
Speaker 3: It's been great chatting with you Mark. We're coming up
to probably.
Speaker 1: About an hour now, which, yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 3: Which the time's flown by. I hope that the listeners
have enjoyed it as much as I have. You mentioned
or I mentioned earlier on your Facebook page. Is there
any other way people getting in contact with you?
Speaker 4: Well, the power almost Walker page or which which I'll
like the name by the way for an old stalker
quite originable anyway, story about that, but I'll tell you
that the other time, or just Mark Broerold's page on Facebook.
Speaker 3: Okay, your paranormal stalker is that? Is that on Facebook?
Speaker 1: Or it is on Facebook? Yeah?
Speaker 4: It says on Facebook. I have got a website which
called Skeptical believer. But I've got to change that because
I've changed my name now obviously, and I've got to
change your main and.
Speaker 1: All that over.
Speaker 4: So okay, But there are some blogs and there are
some blogs on that on the Skeptical Believer site, So yeah,
there's a few lot of blogs I have written, so
they are they are on that side, so anyone could
have a look at them if you want to.
Speaker 3: Okay, brilliant. Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you, Mark.
Thanks for taking the time to tell us all about
your really interesting experiences. Actually, and it's it's good to
meet somebody who's who's you know, a skeptic, but you know,
not not ovally skeptical, your own minded obviously to to
what goes on. Yeah, you know, very similar to to myself.
I think I always started from a point of skepticism
and then work up to a point of you know,
I haven't got a clue what's going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's been really good to talk to you. Thanks very
much for coming on.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, thanks for going on. If we
didn't babble on to what you.
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, absolutely not. It's been really good to talk
to Thank you. You can visit my website at www
dot Craig Bryant dot co dot uk. Paraimal Pendle will
return and remember to keep watching the shadows.