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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from

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the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England.

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My name is Craig Brant, author, the investigator and collector

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of stories. Join me as we take a journey into

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the paranoral UFO sitings, cryptozoology.

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Speaker 3: And big cats. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. Welcome

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to episode fifty five of Paranorimal Pendal, broadcast into the

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Paranorial UK Network at PAUK radio dot com. So my

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guest on this episode really glad to have him on today.

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It's a bit of sorting out, mainly because as you've

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probably noticed, I haven't done a podcast for about a month.

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I unfortunately came down with COVID for the second time,

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which sort of put me out for about about three

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weeks again. So if you know, if people people tell

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you it's a it's a cold, it isn't. So that's

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why we've been a little bit a little bit lazy

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putting podcasts out over the last last few weeks. But

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I'm really pleased to have Mark Reynolds with me today.

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We've had two reschedule so thanks for being so patient

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with you, Mark, and great to have you on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for having me, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Our problem at all. So we we initially contacted, don't we?

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On on Facebook?

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Speaker 1: We Yeah, yeah, I think you.

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Speaker 3: I think you might have started following my page. I

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can't remember now, but we definitely, we definitely started talking

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on on on Facebook. We have a little bit of

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a common interest in championship football teams, if I remember rightly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Rubbish Ones, Yeah, your your store, Arty stock City,

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Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And for people who know me, I'm very sadly black

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and rovers. But you know, it's not all it's not

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It's not all one hundred million pounds transfers.

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Speaker 1: Is it like it is in the Pressis no.

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Speaker 3: Scraps, don't we So?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, no matter what, we're still following, won't we

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say do? No matter what what we say about we're

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still following. We're still idiots.

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Speaker 3: So we absolutely you've got to You've got to follow

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your team, aren't you, through through the the good times

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and and the very bad times. So it's h yeah,

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So it's it's been great to contact with you and

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to just you know, basically, we've been talking on Facebook

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for a while, so I wanted to get you on

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and have a bit of a chat with you because

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you've been interested in the paranorimal for a long time.

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So you tell me, So tell me how it all

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started for you.

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Speaker 4: Then I think, really it's been from a child, and

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I think more than anything, I think UFO is my

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biggest thing, an Office's office, Clark's mysterious world, and that's

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what got me into the paranormal lot there in the

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strange a little bit more than anything, because that was

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that was all at the time, and then obviously most

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of wanted to come along as as probably everyone knows,

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and that was it really, and I.

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Speaker 1: Just started to follow buy a UFO magazine.

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Speaker 4: Every time it come out, I get a copy of it,

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so I read about it, learned about it. But my

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memory is not very good, so I forget a lot.

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So that's the only problem I have sometimes and stuff

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like that.

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Speaker 1: But it's just got me. I've just been interested in it.

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Speaker 4: And then I like a lot bit of witchcrafty stuff,

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so like with me, pagan and stuff and all that,

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so it's just come along.

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Speaker 1: But as I've got older, Yeah, got back into more

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Speaker 3: Okay, well that's interesting then because that well when are you.

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Are you a practicing pagan.

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Speaker 1: No, I'd live to be.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'd love to be, but I think work

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and life just gets away sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do believe.

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Speaker 4: That paganism and spiritualism and ghost hunting and all this

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well if one call it ghost dunting, it's all linked anyway.

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Speaker 1: So it's all it's all a metaphysical thing. And I

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think that's the right word for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean, have you ever had

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any paranormal experiences yourself or is it just is it

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just something that you sort of read about and enjoy

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finding out about, you know, various different places and stuff

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that are reputably haunted.

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Speaker 4: I I've had a few experiences myself, and and I'll

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honestly say, now I'm the biggest, biggest skeptic in the

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world that sometimes I just messing. When I tried when

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I first started out on it the corn with the

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skeptic in the group, but it was for years and

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years ago, So.

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Speaker 1: I just tried because some of it is.

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Speaker 4: It can be explained a way quite easily. It's not

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a problem explained quiet. And obviously the powerate suggestion is

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a big thing as well in it which which everyone

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seems to fall into what they used to fall into

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it when I was doing it originally anyway, because I

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mean it suggested and everyone's all of a sudden everyone's

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Speaker 1: The cold spot, there's that. Yeah, I felt that. I

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felt that, and I felt all.

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Speaker 4: This, and but then what what I used to try

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and do, and.

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Speaker 1: It's try to break away.

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Speaker 4: If I was another group, I try breakaway and go

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on my own because I think sometimes when you know

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and you can pick a little things up that you

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think it's a bit strange. And when as we have

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a group up, we did a place called wood Form,

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which is local to me, and I don't know whether

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he does investigations up that's still not too short to

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be honest, but it's near it across the abbey, an

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old abbey, and he's got a brand new bourne built

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there and there's just something up there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't explain. I sat. I had

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one night up there.

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Speaker 4: I had to go move away from everybody and sit

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on the stage on the bottom of the stage and

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I was sitting there. I could feel like a draft

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coming in and I thought, well, someone off the door

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first straight away at the top.

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Speaker 1: But no, there's nothing that. I couldn't feel anything like that.

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Speaker 4: It was like people literally walking past me when past me,

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and I shouted one of my friends over and I

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said to him, said, just come down here, man, just

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just sit by, saying can you feel I said no, nothing,

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sat back down there.

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Speaker 1: I felted again, and I thought, this is really strange.

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Is something really strange going on here?

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Speaker 4: And I can't explain that a way, But after I

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got told it was apparently part of professional way from

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the monks to the abbey. So whether I was picking

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something up from that, I don't know. But it's strange

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that no one else seemed to get the scene. But

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we did some We played some monk chanting music and

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we seemed got a lot of responses to it as well.

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Speaker 1: It's quite interesting, to be fair.

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Speaker 3: So what what sort of things happened when you did

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that then? Can you remember?

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Speaker 4: Well, there was there was things, there's things moving around,

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like it just kicked something off. It was only those

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people about two or three minutes. But it wasn't it

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wasn't majorly just but there was something definitely happening in

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that place when it happened, which for me, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Still trying to explain the bigges away. It was still trying. Well,

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it could be that it could be there, and it could.

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Speaker 4: Be there, but I think probably that's the way allowed

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to work. I think, more than anything, I'm not the

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swords personal just going and expect get something because I

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don't think it's the right way to work.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, No, it isn't.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's one of the big bug bears that

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I have with paranorimal investigator groups that charge money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree, I agree. I do agree

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with you on that.

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Speaker 3: When you're paying to go to a place that you

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are told is haunted, and you're paying, you expect to

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see something or hear something, And you're right about your

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senses being heightened. I mean, there's obviously a lot of

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study has been done about how our senses adapt if

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you're in total darkness, for instance, so when you haven't

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got your eyesight, you suddenly you're hearing or you smell

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becomes more heightened and you can pick things up that

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you wouldn't know. And so that again is one of

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the reasons why a lot of these paranormal investigation units

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do things at night, you know, I mean, ghosts do

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not at night.

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Speaker 4: Now, I totally agree with you on that, And to

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be honest, most of Mars just been in the daytime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you's been a daytime definitely. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So do you think you're very in tune with.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Do you think you have?

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Speaker 4: I have been told they am, but personally I don't

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think I am, but but.

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Speaker 1: I must be, if you know, it's a bit of

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Speaker 4: Think it's just that skeptical side on me again, coming

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just coming out again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't knock anybody for an experience.

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Speaker 4: I won't knock them because people do have experiences which

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they can't explain away, but mine.

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Speaker 1: I find it quite funny to be fair.

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Speaker 4: And someone's something on Facebook today, I've answer the question

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mark about you feel intimidated, but I went, now, don't

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I don't feel that if something comes around me spirit wise,

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I don't feel intimidated at all. I just don't get that.

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run away. I just I think I'm wanting to find

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out what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you don't know the sort of

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screaming oh God.

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Speaker 4: And to be honest, I think that for me could

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be a lot to do with. I know one person

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is very very empathic. It's very empathic. So it depicts

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anything up which the class is dark mm hmm. Straight

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away it's horrible and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this. I don't like that, and it's

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horrible in the ear.

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Speaker 4: But there's a place where there's a place actually gleam

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quite a nice.

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Speaker 1: Is just a place that we do.

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Speaker 4: We used to do a place called the Outdalritge Museum

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in Stoke or Chesting, so contransitors. Yeah, and the team

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I used to actually still do it. They still run

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it actually there. But that place is very very strange.

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It's got a very very strange thing about it. Now

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there's a there's a museum there now it's center there

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because it's been on mine there.

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Speaker 1: And but up the road there was a round and fought.

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Speaker 4: It's not a very well known room fort and across

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the way from it there's a rooman village and a

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bit of a room and settlement there and actually one

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of my old hours I used to live in Chesterton.

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Speaker 1: It was actually on the room and building. I didn't

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notice on the other day.

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Speaker 4: They fired out on the other day, but a bit

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of l after their years now, which is quite interesting.

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But I I thought to myself, one day, I'll go

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into this investigation open minded as I am anyway, but

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you know, I'm not going to go in negative because

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I'm quite a negative person, to be honest. But when

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I went to this and when I went in, and

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I thought to myself, no, you know, I'm gonna go

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in and not going negative, not go dark, but we're negative,

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not I just going normal. And the place just lightened

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up for me, if you know what I mean by that.

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It wasn't it. It's it's there's cold spots there, and

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it's very strange that we've asked. We've asked the mining

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staff there. There's no pits on there where the coal

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spots can be coming from.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So outside at the back of the building, it's like

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a little sort of alleywayte sort of things that goes

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Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the people said to be the

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car park. I was very interesting. It picked a couple

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of the car park.

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back and I said, I just got people to go

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around the back at the museum just to see what

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they've got an experience.

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Speaker 1: And they also, oh, yeah, it's cold. There's a real

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coal spot there, aren't there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And and I'm more are I well, I'm being

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a bit more about this now and me just think

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about this now and get me head round it.

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Speaker 1: What's going on here? And I just thought to myself,

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you know, this.

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Speaker 4: Is an old spirit. It's a very very old spirit.

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And that's all about getting we had. It's a very

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very old spirit. Now people have said to me the

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bad this albumed to them there, this album to them there,

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which I've never experienced, or I can't. It's not my

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up to me to say if they if they're not,

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I don't know. But to me, it just seems like

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a spiritual wants to be left alone. Yeah, And and

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to all. It's it's like a child and wants your attention.

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They're going to product you, they're going to pull out you,

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they're going to do this. You're going to do this,

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aren't the other time? They're gonna They're going to want

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to make get your attention, aren't it. So yeah, and

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then the more I've gone after that, you know, there's

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there's spirituals. People left alone, Just leave me alone, Just

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let me get on with what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: But I think.

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Speaker 4: People going in and making it dark and making it

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negative and making it making it worse, if you know

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what I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, by by by being over over emotional about

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it and overreacting.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, and I just think I think it

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promotes a negative side of.

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Speaker 3: It, absolutely, yeah. I mean we have a now we

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we have a saying in Lancashire, you know, going and

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I'm fisted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, which yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Know it means going in with both feet, you know,

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jumping in and not not thinking about the consequences. And

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I certainly believe that there are some people, you know,

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I can't because I'd like to interview some of them.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, but you know, I'm sure that there are

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a lot of very ethical investigators, but there are and

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a lot of them tend to be for entertainment purposes.

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So we're talking about TV TV investigators that you know,

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the really well known ones. It's just purely that's all

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it is. It's just entertainment. Yeah. Yeah, And they're going

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to provoke a response from people around them rather than

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trying to actually establish whether there is any energy there

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or there is any you know, is any RESI dual

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energy which is perhaps left behind.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean a friend of mine, I mean Duli,

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a friend of mine who's a me and and she

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got totally overwhelmed there by.

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Speaker 1: I've just not never ever experienced that.

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Speaker 4: Whether that's because I'm not learning the man, I don't know.

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But the interesting thing about a dale is I am

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I went a talk up there. This is a This

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was about a couple of months ago now, I think

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local arcological group up there.

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Speaker 1: And the.

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Speaker 4: Interesting thing about that was that I instinctively thought, is

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this spiritual?

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Speaker 1: Is a ritual side? Is it all this and all that?

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Speaker 4: And I thought no, I sort of slipped away from

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that a lot of bit because it's very easy to

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get into the ritual thing and on old sides. And

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I asked the archaeology guy said, well, there's been nothing

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found there that's Roman.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing. There's been no artobacks found there or anything

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like that.

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Speaker 4: But about maybe two hundred yards down the road where

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you come in, when the driveway come up to the site,

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the possibly was an old Roman road. It's not marked now.

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When he told me that, I went, oh, I'm to say,

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oh shit, oh Shire. Now that could correspond with what

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I was getting the back in the museum, because it's

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literally two hundred yards away.

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Speaker 1: Now, Roman side and Roman roads always.

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Speaker 4: Had things go on, even if it said just a

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lot of Roman road, a lot of Roman road, because

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the original Romen road that runs from the fort at

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Chasterton was Racknard Street.

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Speaker 1: Which is where where I live.

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Speaker 4: No, I actually live off it, to be fair, I

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live on the same Roman road, but the other end

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of the city, if you know what I mean. But

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this road he thinks around from where the fort was

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up to a lot of village called Mainly and wh

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she's the other side of your castle on the line. Now,

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if that's right, it just proves that it has it

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is a Roman road. He's still researching, he's still going

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to check it mhm. But it could well have been

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just a guy selling his wares at the side of

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the road.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he was doing ritual stuff at the side of

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the road. Yeah, he couldn't it could have been doing

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it there. We don't know, but it's very likely, very likely.

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Speaker 4: Even though it's a small Roman road going off that

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we don't know about, there was people selling wars up

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and the gain on there.

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Speaker 1: So maybe is that what we're getting. Is that what

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everyone's getting there? I don't know, And there.

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Speaker 3: Will have been a lot of a lot of foot

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traffic as well from.

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Speaker 1: The yeah, of course, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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there are a lot of minor Roman roads, you know.

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I mean we all know about the main ones Wattling

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Street and yeah, well that's all those, you know, that's

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the first one that comes to mind. I can't think

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of any other. Fosswear there's another one, but I mean

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we you know, there is there is a minor Roman

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road here near needs where I live, and there has

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been strange things happen in the area where that it

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is marked on the map. I mean, it's it's obviously,

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you know, only part of it that they found. It

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will stretch, you know, further on on both sides. It

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obviously will connect somewhere to somewhere. Yeah, but you know,

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they have found part of it which goes to a

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very very small settlement at Ribchester on the River Ribble.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was yeah, yeah, it was an inland port. And

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in fact they've done a lot of we're going into archaeology.

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They've done a lot of archaeology there and they actually

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a few years ago on earth a bath house, so

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you can actually go and go and have a look

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at that. So my point is that you know, there

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will have been legions using all different types of roads,

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you know, and and that sort of thing can leave

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leave things behind.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I just think, I think definitely energies

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are left behind.

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Speaker 1: There's no share of doubt about that in my mind.

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And anyway, I'm a great believer in that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So you could have been picking up anything, Yeah, Yeah,

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I could have been Yeah, you could have been.

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Speaker 3: Picking up a Roman soldier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They could have died on that road. I mean, they

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might have been marched so much that somebody collapsed and died.

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They might have been ill and died, you know, or

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it could have been somebody who, like you say, had

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a pitch they're selling stuff to the people that were

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using the road, and they've just not not moved on

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when they've died because they were that attached to that

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and what they were doing. I mean, there's all sorts

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of explanations, but it's interesting that you picked up on it,

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because I think that's a really interesting point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there was.

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Speaker 4: There was actually something sad inside as well, which I

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found quite interesting because another person there they thought there

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was a lot of bones are a lot of old bones.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I think that's what threw me off the ritual side

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of things, because apparently I found out since they wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Find no bones are because ritual started to clear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so anything that was done ritual merchialistic was actually

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carried away.

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Speaker 3: It could have been a burial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean if you if you look at

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the place now, you'd never think there's a room road

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there because it's been been quarried away. To his mind,

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has been quarried there. The place is life completely different now.

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But when he takes up onto the when you have

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a walk around the actual park itself, now it's like

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you have a walk around the park. Now you're up

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on the hill and you look to where the school is,

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you can actually see a straight line of trees, a

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perfect straight line, And I think that's what's gone into thinking,

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you know, this could be a road, because I think

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he must have heard rumors as a road that runs

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to a lot of the village school made we see

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it could be that, it could be that that's what

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it was.

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Speaker 1: Now if if that is true and that does come

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out to be true.

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Speaker 4: That's quite interesting for me because I think I've actually

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got something there.

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Speaker 1: So you need to do more research then yeah, yeah,

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well I'm waiting. Well, hopefully it's paper.

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Speaker 4: When he's he'stone do the papers because he' obviously in

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arcology has got to do his papers.

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Speaker 1: He's got to do it right anti So yeah, yeah,

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I mean I went. It's like Matt Locke Pavilion, not

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Mouth for the Matt little town all. Yeah. I went there.

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Speaker 4: This This was virtually the second time I got invited

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with the group. I went with with a ghost guarding

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me from Stoke and we went there.

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Speaker 1: I've got a private invact.

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Speaker 4: Me and my wife went and there's only a couple

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of hours I went, and that for me, it was

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proper I've had I've never had proper proof like I

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had there more than anything.

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Speaker 1: So we went around investigation.

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Speaker 4: You expect to get in a place like that, you

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go and the dance floor, you expect to get movement

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on the dance floor, which, yeah, there's a little bits

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and bob, but I didn't really get a lot of that.

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But people sort got fascinated with this stairway, and I

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was like, I'm gonna have I'm going to have.

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Speaker 1: A walk around. And I walked down the oiler and thinking, oh,

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this is strange.

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Speaker 4: Now I've got somebody, I've got people falling here, thought

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that the foul right, and thought, what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: The stairs?

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Speaker 4: Well, well, well well what after this there? I sort

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of got ignored a lot about about it. When I

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said it, m born lads was there sort of when

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we come to break time, he says, you know it's

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set upstairs. I went yeah, about the forty says yeah,

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well I've just looked.

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Speaker 1: And two people foul from the belt when they were

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building the building. Ah right, okay, And that was another

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ship moments again.

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Speaker 4: But that was quite interesting me because but when I

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went up to the actual belt itself, I've got absolutely

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no thing right. It just felt comfortable, nothing, but it

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was nice to feel that to get something that's actually

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improved that I was getting.

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Speaker 1: I don't I try not research anything.

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Speaker 4: I don't like researching places because I think you can

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come out of a load of you can get people

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a load of rubbish.

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Speaker 1: Can't you just tell them anything? Can't you?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and people will take it out of people will

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for for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course there will. Yeah, absolutely. So the building itself, then,

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was it? Is it? Is it? You mentioned the dance floor,

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so yeah, yeah, it's it's where people used to go

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dancing are still.

477
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's Victorian member art.

478
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,839
Speaker 4: It's just a Victorian building, so it would have been

479
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,119
used for that sort of entertainment purposes. And I think

480
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,480
they've had stuff going on there when they play black

481
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:57,160
thirties forties music on the right. But the thing is

482
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960
a paranormal for me, I've want to find strange. Sometimes

483
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,799
people seem to get stuff that no one else gets.

484
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: I find it.

485
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 4: It's interesting for me, that is because we're all getting

486
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,680
different experiences in the same place.

487
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now it's been it's been described, hasn't it as

488
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,079
as tuning into different frequencies.

489
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: You know, the more I learned about that, the more

490
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,279
the more I think that is, the more I do

491
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:24,839
believe that.

492
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: Now.

493
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, an old analog radio where you're twiddling the dials

494
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,319
and you've got to get it just perfect to pick

495
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,480
up you know, the signal clear so you can so

496
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,799
you can hear it. And some people have got that

497
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,279
ability to sort of that internally dial, you know, to

498
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,279
within that. Yeah, such a degree that they can they

499
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,160
can focus in on on different energies. But it but

500
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,839
it is interesting that you go somewhere and one person

501
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,920
can pick up one thing and another person can pick

502
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000
up another. Myself and my wife went to a school

503
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,599
quite a while ago now, and it's actually in the

504
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,160
first book that I wrote, and we went in one

505
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:13,880
particular room which was well known for feeling strange, and

506
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,880
I picked up on this strangeness. It was like a heaviness.

507
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,640
But my wife picked up on a name, so she

508
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:24,799
was feeling and picking up on something completely different to me.

509
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,559
Neither of us pretend to be mediums. Neither of us

510
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,240
you know, well, well we'll say to somebody, you know,

511
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,759
we we can we can go anywhere and pick up

512
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,519
you know, ghosts and spirits and everything. Else. We just

513
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,960
sometimes have a feeling when we go into a place.

514
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,680
So I think it's interesting that you were obviously picking

515
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,960
something up that other people weren't when you went to

516
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,160
this place as well while you were there.

517
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 4: No, that's a funny thing, is No, I didn't. I

518
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,279
didn't seem to get the only thing I would say,

519
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,599
which i've I didn't really at the times, didn't really

520
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:06,279
think about it at the time. But we're doing one

521
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,519
in one of the rooms there and oh towards door,

522
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,119
and it seemed like a missed on the door, like

523
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,039
a club where be missed.

524
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,519
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I'm just saying that as that just my

525
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:19,440
eyes not just into the darkness a lot of bit

526
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:19,880
in the lap.

527
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:23,079
Speaker 4: But I don't know now because I've heard said by

528
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:27,160
other people as well now, so I don't know whether that's.

529
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: Before the other yeah, apparently.

530
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: So Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, because sometimes that that can

531
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:37,759
be a sort of manifestation in itself. Yeah, you know,

532
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,240
sort of misty, not not even the figure really, it

533
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:44,319
can just be a sort of misty, misty sort of

534
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:49,160
mass if you like, or just or just a mist

535
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,319
that's just hovering in the air. But it can be

536
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,559
the start of the manifestation or manifestation itself. You know,

537
00:26:57,599 --> 00:26:59,200
I've heard that. I've heard that before.

538
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: Very strange, very strange what that was or No, I.

539
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,079
Speaker 4: Think it's more come to me recently about that, because

540
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,160
I don't know what what's a listening to a podcast

541
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:14,480
or something.

542
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I've seen it right somewhere that oh you know.

543
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,319
Speaker 4: I saw that at Matt Locke, right, yeah, and then

544
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,640
it's just oh, I've seen what they've said.

545
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: That's strange. It's strange.

546
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: It's just because I've got forced out, it's all forgot

547
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,000
about it that someone's mentioned it.

548
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,759
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, I'm going I did see that.

549
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they come back to you. Yeah, I've I've people

550
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,920
have told me of similar experiences from different places, all

551
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,960
all over the country. So it's it's it's a phenomenon

552
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,079
that happens. It's just we don't really probably understand what

553
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:53,480
it is.

554
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean things of the paranormal. Are

555
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,000
we ever going to understand it? I don't think we are,

556
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:03,839
Are we? No? I just think it's one of them

557
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,359
things that.

558
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 4: I think that like, I think I'll say that I've

559
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,680
said this before to do I think ninety nine percent

560
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,200
of it can be explained away anyway, but that one

561
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,200
percent will just keep you a little bit of interest

562
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:20,079
in it, which is like me because I mean I

563
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,319
come away from me completely years ago, but I just

564
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:26,640
got back into it again and it's got me to

565
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,880
go in a little bit for you know what I mean.

566
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not not a group no more.

567
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: But I like to go out and try and get

568
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,440
see one pick up in old buildings and all stuff

569
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:35,759
like that.

570
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Like I've said before, But I.

571
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: Just think sometimes it's you've got to do it on

572
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:42,720
your own as well.

573
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're being influenced by other people, then are you.

574
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong.

575
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: I mean we've we've done inveastgations before and I've worked

576
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,359
with people and it's been absolutely brilliant. And then other people.

577
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,319
I mean we went shoes for prison there shoes in prison.

578
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:58,839
Speaker 1: For me. I didn't. I didn't race It's all.

579
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: Right, But but I think that's because the people, the

580
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:08,319
guests we've got, weren't getting involved enough, if you know

581
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:08,599
what I mean.

582
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,119
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a laughing a joke with them

583
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:12,359
we took.

584
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: And I think sometimes it gets a bit it loses

585
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,240
that use that energy levels.

586
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: Don't you a little better?

587
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,559
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, if you're not, if you're not taking

588
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:28,519
it at least seriously. I think it's if you've got

589
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,400
people who are messing about it. This is one of

590
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,839
the reasons why again I'm the same as you. I

591
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:40,160
don't go on group investigations. I'd have to be very

592
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,960
careful about who I went on the investigations with.

593
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I'm like that. I mean I went.

594
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: I went to Orby jail on statured. I had a

595
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,119
private chamber doorby jail, just we were just out having your.

596
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: Coffee when my lady were in and one of the

597
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,000
lads who work there give me I went there, do

598
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:56,519
I wey jail?

599
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: And that I found that interesting place because it's there

600
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,440
was things there that it's like it's like people coming

601
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,799
past your walking past you, like.

602
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,519
Speaker 1: Cool drafts every now and.

603
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,799
Speaker 4: Again, and and you're trying, I'm trying to spot where

604
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:11,759
the cool drafts coming from.

605
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: Nothing there. It's like people.

606
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: It's like people moving around you and about you, and and.

607
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,279
Speaker 1: That stored stuff alive.

608
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,279
Speaker 4: And that's that's why I laughing joke about a lot

609
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,640
that Yeah, it's not horrible, it doesn't it doesn't.

610
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel horrible and nothing.

611
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,279
Speaker 4: I don't get nothing horrible with it, which which I think,

612
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:32,480
I mean touch ward.

613
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,599
Speaker 1: I might be lucky, but I don't get possessed or

614
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,480
nothing like that.

615
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,359
Speaker 4: Which which could take me to another story. But AF

616
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,519
give back for a few years of that. That was

617
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:48,440
just for me, one of the funniest things. And I've

618
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,119
got to laugh about because it's so funny.

619
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: You have to tell me.

620
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,839
Speaker 1: We went into this pub and leak we went downstairs

621
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:56,359
in the salad.

622
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,559
Speaker 3: Sorry, and a leak.

623
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Quite yeah, yeah, it was in the Red Line and Lee.

624
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: Right, I think, yeah, yeah, but I staid there one

625
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,279
New year.

626
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:12,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well the Sally went in the salads.

627
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.

628
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:18,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, looks quite interesting. Actually, to be fair, I'm

629
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,440
not I'm not far from there about savagect marl away

630
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:22,759
from Leak.

631
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: We are where we live.

632
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: So she's in the salad and she she she just

633
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,319
totally went, something's got me. She goes on the floor

634
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:37,720
and I'm thinking that the guy the media at the time,

635
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,920
so I said first he says, but yeah, but I'm sorry,

636
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
but I'm not doing anything. He says, why because I

637
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,319
think she's play acting. M and you could sort of

638
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,759
see it. Anny, you can see building up and I

639
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,920
thought you anyway, I said, lesson, I said, I'm going

640
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,279
to just go out the way because.

641
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't believe she's been possessed by something. I just

642
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:00,720
don't believe it.

643
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And literally I went to the stars, I got

644
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,519
myself a drink upstairs, and it must have been five

645
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,599
minutes of that she come up.

646
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:09,839
Speaker 1: Went.

647
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: Now, if she's been possessed by something, within five minutes

648
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,240
she suddenly come around and gone and walked out of

649
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,960
the port, I'm gone out.

650
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: See right to me that it's not.

651
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: Gonna happen, is it? I mean the the late great

652
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:34,599
dry Kakora. Oh, I think probably started a bit of

653
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,799
a trend of this. But I just find it. I

654
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,839
just find it so so negative when people.

655
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: I do, I can't see, I can't see the point.

656
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,599
Speaker 1: What's the point in gerwy to play? Act? There is?

657
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,079
Speaker 4: And that's the same with any group. Seeing with any group,

658
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,759
I mean the best groups out there, and they probably

659
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,000
knew who they are anyway, but they will play after

660
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:04,759
they will put it on.

661
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,839
Speaker 1: They will put it on for the gas.

662
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I said earlier on if people are paying, yeah,

663
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200
you know, to go on to to see a ghost,

664
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:15,839
and then.

665
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,279
Speaker 1: You won't see a ghost.

666
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,599
Speaker 3: Something's going to happen, isn't it. You know, otherwise they're

667
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:22,880
not going to come back and keep paying.

668
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,839
Speaker 4: They Well, the group I was with years and years ago,

669
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,720
they did quite a good thing because they probably disclaim it.

670
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

671
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: I never had to sound disclaiming because people were trying

672
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,680
to get the money back.

673
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:35,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

674
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we haven't seen a ghost, we haven't heard anything.

675
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: And thinking, well, I'm going to man, you know, I mean,

676
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,680
it's not like Ghostbusters, is it. You're not going to No,

677
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,240
it's not full tours. So how did you describe it?

678
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:49,960
Full tours or free floating?

679
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,039
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah?

680
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: The woman down in the library, you know, yeah.

681
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, the white lady.

682
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: Around don't see anything like that? Are you now? That

683
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,480
brings us actually onto One of the places you mentioned

684
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:10,559
in your in the preparaity email that you sent was

685
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,360
White Ladies Priory?

686
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: Well, well, what can I say about that place? Shot

687
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920
a bit of a.

688
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,599
Speaker 1: Bit of an experience for me.

689
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: Okay, they forget something what I got there, and and

690
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,400
I still to this day, I still can't explain it.

691
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,280
And and it says me go to things every time

692
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,880
when I mentioned my experiences, so literally it's come about.

693
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,039
Speaker 1: I've read I know guys wrote a few books. I know,

694
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,519
but his name it's gone anyway. But you mentioned while

695
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,599
his priory in his book. Thought we're gonna go Whiteley's Priory.

696
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:04,239
It's not. It's about off an hour way. I think

697
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,840
something for me. Four genes with me. So it's not far.

698
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,199
It's on the staffship wolver Rampton board it right, So.

699
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,639
Speaker 4: We goes well, it's near boss gerbal house where Charles

700
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:17,760
the second first.

701
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,079
Speaker 1: I always getting always got the Charles numbers wrong.

702
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: He was actually old up there when he was on

703
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,519
the run, Charles first, Charles First, But that was shut

704
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,320
so we couldn't get in there. But we'll go down

705
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,519
to Whitelady's Priory. No one there, just me and my

706
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:39,400
wife walking around. And and then like I said before,

707
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,800
I got a fascination for old churches. I think a

708
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,159
lot of it comes to think what was on the

709
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,719
line before and stuff like that. But I'm walking around

710
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,639
it's like the spot on the on the prior where

711
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:52,039
it's been a burnt wall, no other in the fireplace,

712
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,840
and I don't know whether it was just in fire

713
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,760
that's been caused by somebody having the fire there.

714
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: But a lot of the ears touched the wall, which

715
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,119
I like to do some times.

716
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 4: I sometimes get that little bit of feeling off the

717
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,760
buildings and stuff like that. And so put me on

718
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,079
the wall, like oh, sort of pulled away quickly, you know,

719
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,159
it's strange. Put my hand back on the foot and

720
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,119
only hand on the wall which were dead, and it

721
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,480
was like, I was like, I may spend three or

722
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,639
four minutes behind on the wall. Come away, And I

723
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,159
thought it, no, why am I so upset? And I

724
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:35,480
started to cry physically cry. I mean, so I don't know,

725
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,800
I don't know, tears with.

726
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: That face I was crying. Thought, oh god, I was

727
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,360
happy here.

728
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:48,119
Speaker 4: Very very strange, like an emotional attachment to the building.

729
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:52,719
So yeah, I mean, I don't my words were it

730
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,119
was like the most haunted moment. That would be words

731
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,039
because it's one of the moments when you think, you

732
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,239
see it on TV, we don't expect it to happened

733
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:01,559
to you.

734
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just been put on.

735
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,639
Speaker 4: So anyway, on the way back home, we stopped off

736
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:10,159
and Stone on the way back home and have a drink,

737
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,719
and we saw Marley saw doing bit of research. Now

738
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,840
what we found out as it was set up by

739
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,159
well they think it was set up. There's a lot

740
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,000
of there's a lot of discrepancies on who actually set

741
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,039
it up. But the one we found was set up

742
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,159
by a woman named Amy.

743
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,039
Speaker 1: But she was the daughter of a guy named Reynolds

744
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,000
upon the act or something like.

745
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of the places from, but

746
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,599
somewhere in shops on a book. Oh my, that's a bit.

747
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:46,679
Speaker 1: The same surnames. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit. This is

748
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:47,480
a bit strange.

749
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 4: But I've done a bit more stuff after since, which

750
00:37:53,320 --> 00:38:00,760
is recently actually, And there's also another woman named Amy.

751
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,599
She was married to this this this lord or this

752
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,280
guy this I can't remember his name now for his name,

753
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,000
but he was quite well, he was quite well known.

754
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,800
But on that one it says she didn't know her

755
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,320
father right, So I don't know what's what's what, But

756
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,400
I thought that I thought.

757
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: The Reynolds name coming up was quite interesting because.

758
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: I was spelt as well. Well, the spelt it the

759
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,679
old way, and the rat spelt it r e r

760
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,119
e y n a l ds like mine. It is

761
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,679
normally spelt r E n U. L. D. S or

762
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,039
the French sort of Norman sort of way of it.

763
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:48,639
And I just found what was that about? What what

764
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:49,199
was that about?

765
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: It's really it. It still shocks me now, to be fair.

766
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,519
Speaker 3: Do you ever sort of get the urge to to

767
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:56,840
look into your family train?

768
00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: Well?

769
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:02,679
Speaker 4: I have started, but but the interesting thing with family

770
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,760
tree is which I can't get that far back, and

771
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,000
I've got back to a certain degree.

772
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,039
Speaker 1: But the Reynolds is originally my dad.

773
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: Didn't know his dad, so I can't I can't trace,

774
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,119
so I've got me down at me nana's name sort

775
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:20,679
of thing, you know what I mean. He's got a surname,

776
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,880
my dad's surname. So, but the Reynolds is apparently we're

777
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,760
from Glossom, Gloucester Bristol area originally, so through sort of

778
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,480
borderline is Gloucester Bristol area, which takes me on to

779
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:41,599
another little investigation we did so when we got into

780
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,360
when we're first during the Ghost Academy, we want we

781
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,440
want a competition to go on investigation or investigations at

782
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,480
Biston Hall now never been besting all news that i'd

783
00:39:52,480 --> 00:40:00,360
never been now went to Hall ambition. No, it's quite

784
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,280
interesting to be fair. It's all by its own by

785
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,960
some antique guy. Now some big massive antique guy, quite

786
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:05,760
well known guy.

787
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 3: Whereabouts is it?

788
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 4: It's just it's in Stafford, Hire. A. Yeah, so it's

789
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,719
the same, not far from Stafford. Actually it's not far

790
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,440
from Stafford.

791
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,119
Speaker 1: But we went into one room.

792
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 4: And and god, I don't I don't like saying this

793
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,000
because I don't I don't like them to be fair

794
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:29,599
to running an app on the phone. I'm not sure

795
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,760
which it was, but this name come up, Emily or

796
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:38,079
Emma name come up, but she doesn't relate to which

797
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:38,960
doesn't relate to.

798
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,039
Speaker 1: The other. I I'm thinking white ladies.

799
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 4: But my wife had to come out of the room

800
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,480
because she felt quite emotional quality overwhelmed with something.

801
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: She felt like someone have been.

802
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 4: Abuse there or something like that. So anyway, he gets

803
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,239
back the next few days, the better be searched. There

804
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,119
was a woman named Emmy will live there.

805
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: She's a housemaid. He'll live there.

806
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 4: So we did a better found a name out, a

807
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,000
better tracking down on the sandses we found out she died.

808
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:14,760
She went down to Glocester and Bristol area, Gloucester area.

809
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,440
I think it was Bristol Gloucester. Oh so it was bath.

810
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,559
It was bath, sorry, bath, which is not far off.

811
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,880
So we looked at the household. The living in the

812
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,199
household was an actual blot named John Reynolds.

813
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,639
Speaker 1: All right, okay, so before and.

814
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: That's all calm for the first sort of all quite

815
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,800
close to Gavin, I thought.

816
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: So there was a strange finger as well. The names

817
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,559
come up again.

818
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: They're not related by the way that that John Mayld's

819
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,440
allow doesn't related to me.

820
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,639
Speaker 1: There's John Melds to be found about. I don't think

821
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,360
up with me. I can't find any link.

822
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: So no, so it was surnames come up again, which

823
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,880
is quite interesting coincidence.

824
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

825
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,639
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's not it's not that common a surname.

826
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: Is that it's square.

827
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's quire common, say name, but right, But

828
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,400
it's just I just find it strange that I don't know,

829
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:09,440
it's come up twice, quite close to gather.

830
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well yeah, there's a coincidence, definitely, Yeah yeah.

831
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:22,400
So yeah interesting then so you obviously had an emotional reaction.

832
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,559
Yeah yeah, when you touch the wall.

833
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 4: I don't I've been back sentence. I didn't get nothing, nothing, no,

834
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,719
but whether that's because I was expecting it to get something.

835
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,159
Speaker 1: I don't know. If your mind works a funny ways,

836
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:39,519
don't it.

837
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes you mind just think, well, i'll go back, I'll

838
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,159
get something else going to happen now.

839
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: But he didn't, So I don't mind. I didn't get anything.

840
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,440
It doesn't bother me.

841
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:51,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you're expecting it, then yeah, it

842
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,800
doesn't necessarily necessarily happen that way, does it.

843
00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:01,199
Speaker 1: So no, No, it's I don't know. The paranormals a

844
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,239
tricky thing. And is it paranormal?

845
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,119
Speaker 4: Is it just psychologically your mind just thinking you can

846
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:08,159
do this, or I don't.

847
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:08,679
Speaker 1: I don't know.

848
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean the store tap theory is quite interesting,

849
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:16,199
isn't it, Because well, obviously, yeah, energy being stored within

850
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:18,599
a building or within a within a place, or or

851
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:19,519
you know.

852
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,039
Speaker 1: I think we need to have a name for that. Really,

853
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:23,159
don't we still take fey?

854
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? We do these days because we don't. We don't

855
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,480
use tips anymore. So you can tell how long ago

856
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:32,039
it was that somebody. Yeah, yeah, you know, we'd have

857
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:32,920
to call it. I don't know.

858
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: Well, absolutely I did.

859
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: I did, Actually I did actually buy take recording to

860
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,440
record ev P s Yeah, but it doesn't work. Now

861
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,880
stop working, right, I want to take it didn't work.

862
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,119
It worked fine before I take it.

863
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:49,519
Speaker 1: It just didn't work. It stopped working.

864
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

865
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes yeah, an electrical interference, kin, which is an interesting

866
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,400
thing in itself. I think that certain places that does

867
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,880
seem to be more electro magnetic.

868
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is why I think than others. That's why

869
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,920
I think. I went Mosey, mose the old old. I

870
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,280
went Mosely and I walked with the gardens, and I went,

871
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,039
oh God, here we go again. Marley says, well, so

872
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,920
we look at them over there, walking over there past

873
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,280
the wall.

874
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: There's no one there, just.

875
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 4: Wall, and I could see it's clearly as obviously you now,

876
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:32,960
Craig earnestly yea. And it was just to repeat, I repeat, repeat,

877
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,400
It must have been gone on for about too many

878
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,679
It wasn't like a brief thing.

879
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,599
Speaker 1: It was like a too many thing of seeing.

880
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: People walking along the wall, like walking like strolling around

881
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,599
the garden, which I think, hang on a man, if

882
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:49,760
I just seen a quick glance.

883
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: Of it, Yeah, you could think I'm seeing things, but nah,

884
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:56,679
I don't. I don't know that.

885
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:58,519
Speaker 4: That's why you say it could be the stone tap

886
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,320
period comes just a memory, that's are you picking up?

887
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: Come back to it? Everybody and you've seen it, so

888
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,320
you actually saw people. I actually saw people.

889
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: There's almost have been about I think about three women

890
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,480
and a couple of blokes. Women, maybe just walking. I'm

891
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:15,079
not sure. I'd like to see.

892
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: Us a bee from what? I don't know. Did you

893
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,440
feel as if you could be late?

894
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 3: Did you feel as if you might have been looking

895
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,519
through a time slip?

896
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: But you have never I've never actually thought about it

897
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,559
like that, to be fair, but maybe I could have been.

898
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you could have been.

899
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,159
Speaker 3: Because you might not necessarily have gone through, but you

900
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,679
might have been seeing something through from a previous time.

901
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean.

902
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: Time slips are there's definitely something to them because of

903
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,159
the number of people who've experienced where they've had a

904
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,960
whole body experience where they've you know, physically felt that

905
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,400
they've been removed from from the present time and and

906
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,719
taken back to a to a past time in that

907
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,159
that particular location.

908
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I always thought the time so don't done

909
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,159
the area around him change though as well?

910
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,199
Speaker 1: Can do Yeah, but yeah, well I didn't. I didn't

911
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:09,679
have none of that.

912
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,519
Speaker 4: It was like literally, yeah, it was just I could

913
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:17,920
see him, Yeah, looking through I suppose to through an

914
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,760
invisible curtain. Yeah, if that's if that's the right way Forney.

915
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:22,760
I suppose that's what I've seeing.

916
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,119
Speaker 3: I suppose that's a good way of good way of

917
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:26,880
describing it. And somebody ortened the curtains.

918
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe that's it. Yeah, yeah, the

919
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:31,440
good way is.

920
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 4: Really that is Yeah, I'll use that one on.

921
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:42,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, bags, tell me then, what you think about layer lines,

922
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,480
because that links him what I'm talking about.

923
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got it.

924
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to write something at the moment. I'm

925
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,639
just waiting. I'm just trying to finish off at the moment.

926
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,599
We all know. I think we all know that a

927
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,280
lot of ancient side to wrong.

928
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 4: Lay lines if you if you want call them lay

929
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,840
lines or any lines or whatever you want to call them.

930
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,840
And I find them faster because I think if you

931
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,280
think about back in the early days of man, and

932
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,119
if you're walking across a bit of land and you

933
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:23,760
feel something under your feet, you're going to grab your

934
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,400
mate on you say, look, Dave, oruld have it here?

935
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,079
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and what's what to me?

936
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,679
Speaker 4: I think if you don't know what it says, you're

937
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,519
going to go, oh, I'm on on mark the spot.

938
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I'll put something down on the spot.

939
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,199
Speaker 4: You could put a step down there with stone down

940
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:40,960
there or anything like that.

941
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: And is that started stone circles?

942
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 4: Is that the start of your ancient sides being done

943
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,159
by somebody just feeling it through the feet or through.

944
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,159
Speaker 1: The bodies and then marking them, and then obviously the

945
00:47:56,199 --> 00:48:00,920
stones come into it, which then build ye up more

946
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,079
because bagging into the land.

947
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: Because I mean, I mean, realistically, we live on a

948
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,360
magnetic curve to a certain degree, don't we, So the

949
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,719
magnetic fields are there, so you'd feel definitely just sort

950
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,559
of grab into that one spot like a magnet.

951
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

952
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean by if I'm wording

953
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,639
the start, I'm trying to try and explain it to

954
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,079
what I mean by but you get like a magnetic

955
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,880
field drawing you into that spot.

956
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, word describing it.

957
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,119
Speaker 4: It's it's it's probably the reason why we've got stone

958
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,800
circles where we've got and we've got size where we've

959
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,119
got them. But somebody just strolling across the land, minding

960
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,840
their own business onto gather into whatever they do and

961
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,079
finding that there just doing it.

962
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then then we get your problem then of.

963
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: Human beings wanting to be more better than the next human.

964
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: Being mm hm. And then you go.

965
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: Into power struggles and religion and all that, and then

966
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,440
it starts everything off, and then we get the old

967
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,880
problem of we destroy everything and and all that would

968
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,679
be lucky, which is what we do and is.

969
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's interesting about magnetic fields because there

970
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:22,599
are our theories that areas of of what's coined by

971
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,800
some people as high you know, areas of high strangeness, yeah,

972
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:32,719
areas of high UFO activity or paranormal activity or you

973
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,400
know both, or even you know, areas where a lot

974
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:43,280
of cryptids are cited. Our areas where there is some

975
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,400
sort of geological formation which is causing yea of magnetic

976
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:49,880
magnetic end.

977
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: It's like you are those drawn to churches. I mean,

978
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:57,639
I don't know how many case stores of the UFOs.

979
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 4: Drawn to churches now if well, I'm not gonna say,

980
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,360
and we say when there was something here before the

981
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,440
floods and before natural disasters it and then we come

982
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,280
along and then, to be honest, something for who can

983
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,480
sell I said when you interviewed Field Exel about has

984
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,719
not coming from Apes, and that resonates with me a lot.

985
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,599
Speaker 1: I don't think we did come from apes. I'm just

986
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,719
I just don't think we did.

987
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 4: I just I felt we come from I want to

988
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,519
I don't want to calling it start us, but like

989
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,280
we come from I'm gonna call it started us.

990
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,679
Speaker 1: So we come from start Us.

991
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 4: So we formed out of another animals formed another life,

992
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,119
formed out of what comes from the universe.

993
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, and that's.

994
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,199
Speaker 4: That's what I believe. That it's more the last few years,

995
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:47,400
that's what I'm really believing Now. I just don't believe

996
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,599
it comes from apes. I just gotta I don't want

997
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:54,039
to test now if there was forms of life here before.

998
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: What we what we call humans? And do we use

999
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,880
the word a you know not? I don't know.

1000
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they might, they might be aliens, that they could

1001
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,079
be just another form of ours, but.

1002
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: Not our lineage, if you know what I mean. But

1003
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:12,920
we get stories, and don't we get stores.

1004
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 4: We get we get UFOs being drawn in caves, we

1005
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,079
get stuff being drawn coming from us.

1006
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: Our generate, our human people.

1007
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: But if you think about before that, the color well

1008
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,519
have been people fighting dinosaurs. That that that's suppos been

1009
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:31,440
around when we were around.

1010
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: But is that where you get stories out? George and

1011
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,480
Dragon from MHM, was was the drag of the dinosaur?

1012
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: Were we or were beans fighting dinosaurs? We know dinosaurs

1013
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,000
as no doubt about that, but we're there was some

1014
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,320
humans or other people fighting these creatures, and the stories

1015
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,679
get locked.

1016
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: In your memories and.

1017
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: Well, you're conscious, i'd last your consciousness when your DNA

1018
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,960
and your consciousness have sort of length aunt it. So

1019
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:11,079
to me, if these are coming through generation after generation

1020
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,679
after ancestor of ancestor ancestry, we're going again. We're gonna

1021
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:16,559
get stories passed down like that because it was all

1022
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:20,320
word of mouth then wanted to anybody. Yeah, and we

1023
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,079
don't got people of power coming in who want to go,

1024
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:27,239
oh no, these didn't exist. No, there's no such fingers fairies,

1025
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,679
no such fingers the fingers are but if there was,

1026
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,639
they could have slowly killed them out, if you know

1027
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:38,119
what I mean by word about and then all that's

1028
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,360
evil that's killed that because it's it's not normal.

1029
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:43,679
Speaker 1: If a lot of fair is.

1030
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,519
Speaker 4: Running around the field, something said, got fair, We're going

1031
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:50,000
to kill that MM hmm. It's and it sounds a

1032
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,320
bit that what I'm saying.

1033
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,639
Speaker 1: But we don't know, do we. We just we just

1034
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,440
don't know that science is a science is a brilliant thing.

1035
00:52:59,440 --> 00:52:59,920
I'm knocking.

1036
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 4: Sometimes you think yourself outsides, you think I'm I'm going

1037
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,599
to men, Well the days are something about the day,

1038
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:10,280
but talk about in the nderfals. And he didn't even

1039
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,239
say he couldn't even say what we're doing. What's kind

1040
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,119
of the hand of fault they.

1041
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,199
Speaker 1: Were, He's just a fairst to him.

1042
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,159
Speaker 4: He wasn't he wasn't putting them in a category. He

1043
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,559
was saying, I don't know what they were. So I

1044
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,480
found that quite good that he said it that way.

1045
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,360
But where foot tails go along, and I think there

1046
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,039
just could be some trip ins on folk tales.

1047
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I'm trying to.

1048
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 4: Learn about and get out about and try and right

1049
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,679
about as well if I can. Yeah, which relates to

1050
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,519
all people seeing things, and but.

1051
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,599
Speaker 1: But are you consciously seeing it? You know what I mean?

1052
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:52,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sometimes a lot of a lot of

1053
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:58,079
legends are ways that our ancestors explained things that they didn't.

1054
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, understand.

1055
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:05,639
Speaker 3: But also I think a lot of the the legends.

1056
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,280
I mean, you mentioned George and the Dragon. You know,

1057
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:16,559
it is entirely possible that the were still preachers around

1058
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,960
that described that we might not necessarily describe as dragon,

1059
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:26,679
but they did at the time because they had no

1060
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,519
other way of explaining what it was. There's a there's

1061
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:36,400
a really interesting fork tale that I remember reading years

1062
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,199
and years and years ago. Now, whether it's at an

1063
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,559
allegory rather than and just a fork tale rather than

1064
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:47,519
something that's they're usually based on some degree.

1065
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got me based on something, aren't they?

1066
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,559
Speaker 3: Some degree of fact called the Lambton worm.

1067
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:58,199
Speaker 1: Which is but I've heard that, I have heard that.

1068
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, look it up Wikipedia or you know,

1069
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,920
any search engine or anything and it will be on there.

1070
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:10,159
And that is very similar to George and the Dragon.

1071
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:13,679
I think that's an interesting story about how how things

1072
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:17,480
were explained away or how they you know, how these

1073
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:24,280
legends came into into into folklore. And I think a

1074
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,360
good guy for for people to read and a guy

1075
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,920
that I've had on a couple of times is Mark Coley, who.

1076
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,079
Speaker 1: Oh I know Mark. I know Mark. Yeah, I don't

1077
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,760
walk quite well. I don't walk quite well at.

1078
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:41,639
Speaker 3: Mark very good. Guess really enjoyed having he goes off down.

1079
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,519
You know the sort of folklore routes with a lot

1080
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:50,360
of stuff as well, which is really interesting. So yeah,

1081
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,440
layer lines and land energies and that I think are

1082
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,559
really interesting. I know of quite a few around here.

1083
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:58,280
I've got no doubt there are quite a few where

1084
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:58,679
you are.

1085
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, to be honest, I'm the same. I won't

1086
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,239
go if you you're probably all below.

1087
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm I've just ordered myself a copper triangle

1088
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,679
and I want, I want to try, but I do

1089
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,840
use a pundum. If I cannot use what I want

1090
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,199
to try, use the pendulum about touching it right, So

1091
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,079
I'm not so I physically can't my hands not so

1092
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,480
I know I'm not doing it influencing it. And yeah, yeah,

1093
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:30,480
so I've alladed the and what I'm gonna do, I'm

1094
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:32,039
gonna try up all below.

1095
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tie de pendrum beside the triangle. And

1096
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,679
you see there is and she's coming off the land.

1097
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 4: Or whether it's created by us but not knowing it,

1098
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:48,199
by these little bit of movements that we don't know about.

1099
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's love a little thing.

1100
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,199
Speaker 4: I want try because that that would be interesting because

1101
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:57,480
that mright explain away while saying about the humans, the

1102
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:01,719
feeling the land and feeling good are you? So I'm

1103
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,760
going to try that the thing because I'm quite lucky

1104
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,440
where not far from Harborlow nine Ladies and all them site.

1105
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, well you'll have to you'll have to put

1106
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,159
some some reports on your on your first I'm.

1107
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,679
Speaker 4: Just a rubbish writer, rubbish, but I do try. I'm

1108
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:24,400
trying my best because that's what I want to do.

1109
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's there's there's no reason why you shouldn't.

1110
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:29,079
I mean, self publishing these.

1111
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,239
Speaker 1: Days is not yeah, yeah around.

1112
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: It used to, and everybody starts off as a rubbish writer.

1113
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,119
Speaker 1: I know.

1114
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:42,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'm just it's just it's what I do

1115
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:45,760
want to write. I write as a speak yeah, and

1116
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,159
I get told, well, that's not gonna makes sense to anybody.

1117
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: That's what I do. So that's reality. The wife goes

1118
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,199
through you to all for but sometimes you fix your figs.

1119
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:01,519
Speaker 3: The only thing you can do is is just write.

1120
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:03,639
Speaker 1: It all down and then yeah that's what do Yeah.

1121
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: Once you've written it all down, that's when you start

1122
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,360
looking at editing it. And you know the number of

1123
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,239
different versions you'll end up with. Is the more versions

1124
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,639
you have the better because you're refining it all the time,

1125
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:17,039
you know so, and you're.

1126
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: Looking to be honest. When I was and writing them down,

1127
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,960
it was better for me. Yeah, I stopped.

1128
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 4: I saw the well, now I need to stop writing

1129
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,199
by hand again and then copying, because then when you

1130
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,239
change them as you go along, then don't you so?

1131
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:31,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1132
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, sometimes the old ways are the best.

1133
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what?

1134
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: It's been great chatting with you Mark. We're coming up

1135
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:40,679
to probably.

1136
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: About an hour now, which, yeah, brilliant.

1137
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,679
Speaker 3: Which the time's flown by. I hope that the listeners

1138
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,559
have enjoyed it as much as I have. You mentioned

1139
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:54,079
or I mentioned earlier on your Facebook page. Is there

1140
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:57,639
any other way people getting in contact with you?

1141
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 4: Well, the power almost Walker page or which which I'll

1142
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,960
like the name by the way for an old stalker

1143
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:06,159
quite originable anyway, story about that, but I'll tell you

1144
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,960
that the other time, or just Mark Broerold's page on Facebook.

1145
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:14,159
Speaker 3: Okay, your paranormal stalker is that? Is that on Facebook?

1146
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: Or it is on Facebook? Yeah?

1147
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: It says on Facebook. I have got a website which

1148
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,840
called Skeptical believer. But I've got to change that because

1149
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:23,920
I've changed my name now obviously, and I've got to

1150
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:24,760
change your main and.

1151
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:25,239
Speaker 1: All that over.

1152
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 4: So okay, But there are some blogs and there are

1153
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:33,039
some blogs on that on the Skeptical Believer site, So yeah,

1154
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,719
there's a few lot of blogs I have written, so

1155
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,039
they are they are on that side, so anyone could

1156
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:38,079
have a look at them if you want to.

1157
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: Okay, brilliant. Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you, Mark.

1158
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,320
Thanks for taking the time to tell us all about

1159
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,039
your really interesting experiences. Actually, and it's it's good to

1160
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:55,800
meet somebody who's who's you know, a skeptic, but you know,

1161
00:59:56,039 --> 01:00:00,199
not not ovally skeptical, your own minded obviously to to

1162
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,199
what goes on. Yeah, you know, very similar to to myself.

1163
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,840
I think I always started from a point of skepticism

1164
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,559
and then work up to a point of you know,

1165
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:11,000
I haven't got a clue what's going on?

1166
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:16,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

1167
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:16,519
Speaker 3: It's been really good to talk to you. Thanks very

1168
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:17,239
much for coming on.

1169
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, thanks for going on. If we

1170
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:23,039
didn't babble on to what you.

1171
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, absolutely not. It's been really good to talk

1172
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,199
to Thank you. You can visit my website at www

1173
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,639
dot Craig Bryant dot co dot uk. Paraimal Pendle will

1174
01:00:33,679 --> 01:01:30,519
return and remember to keep watching the shadows.