Speaker 1: Actually has a habit. If she gets in trouble by,
Speaker 1: someone should make accusations against that person.
Speaker 2: Organ City sits at the end of the Oregon Trail.
Speaker 2: We're countless pioneers once gathered to catch their first glimpse
Speaker 2: of the promised land. This historic community of around thirty
Speaker 2: seven thousand is nastled along the banks of the Willamette
Speaker 2: River just south of Portland. It's always prided itself on
Speaker 2: being the kind of place where American dreams come true.
Speaker 2: Tree lined streets wind through neighborhoods filled with modest ranch
Speaker 2: homes in well kept split levels. The newll Creek Village
Speaker 2: Apartment Complex embodies the working class spirit that built Oregon City.
Speaker 2: The one hundred and twenty five unit apartment complex was
Speaker 2: built in the late ninety nineties and was designed to
Speaker 2: provide affordable housing to single mothers, working families, the mentally ill,
Speaker 2: and people with disabilities. The complex sits along a quiet
Speaker 2: stretch of road, surrounded by toring Douglas Firs and western
Speaker 2: red cedars. Here, single mothers work double shifts to provide
Speaker 2: for their children. Neighbors help neighbors, and kids walk safely
Speaker 2: to the nearby bus stop. Each morning without a second thought.
Speaker 2: Parents know their children's friends, teachers know their students' families,
Speaker 2: and everybody looks out for everyone else. The apartment complex
Speaker 2: playground is almost always filled with laughter on weekend afternoons,
Speaker 2: while the nearby creek provides endless adventure for imaginative young minds.
Speaker 2: But in the early months of two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: newl Creek Village would become the epitome of every parent's
Speaker 2: worst nightmare. The community all came together to search for
Speaker 2: a missing girl. Two months later, another girl vanished. Somewhere
Speaker 2: among them lived a predator. Ashley Marie Pond was twelve
Speaker 2: years old, and she wore sweatshirts to school even when
Speaker 2: it wasn't cold. It was a habit born from the
Speaker 2: particular self consciousness that settles over children who've learned too
Speaker 2: much about the world too soon. Yellow was Ashley's favorite color,
Speaker 2: which seemed fitting for a girl her family remembered as
Speaker 2: happy and bubbly. The apartment at Neil Creek Village was
Speaker 2: home to Ashley, her mother, Laurie, and two younger siblings,
Speaker 2: six hul Miranda and eleven year old Brianna. Ashley's story
Speaker 2: began thirteen years earlier, when her mother, Lorie Davis, was
Speaker 2: barely sixteen, almost a child herself when Ashley entered the world.
Speaker 2: For those first precious years, Ashley lived with Laurie and
Speaker 2: David Pond, her mother's high school sweetheart who eventually became
Speaker 2: her stepfather. To Ashley, David was simply Dad, the man
Speaker 2: who gave her his name, and for a while something
Speaker 2: that resembled stability. But families, just like the apartment buildings
Speaker 2: they live in, sometimes have foundations that crack under pressure.
Speaker 2: When Ashley was seven years old, the family fractured, Laurie
Speaker 2: and David's marriage dissolved, and suddenly Ashley found herself caught
Speaker 2: between two worlds. Weekdays were spent with her mother in
Speaker 2: the apartment complex, and weekend visits with her biological father,
Speaker 2: Wesley Roger Junior. She was four years old when she
Speaker 2: met her father for the first time. It was an
Speaker 2: arrangement that look normal on paper, the kind of custody
Speaker 2: schedule that fills family court calendars across America. Nobody suspected
Speaker 2: that these weekend visits would become something else Entirely. By
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, Oregon City Police had become uncomfortably
Speaker 2: familiar with the family's dress. It calls in just one year,
Speaker 2: a number that speaks to chaos, to a household where
Speaker 2: things were unraveling faster than they could be mended. In
Speaker 2: two of those cases, anonymous callers had asked police to
Speaker 2: conduct welfare checks on a child that had been locked outside.
Speaker 2: A child was Ashley. Shortly thereafter, another call came in
Speaker 2: to report that Ashley was outside the apartment door crying.
Speaker 2: In two other instances, Child Protective Services had requested a
Speaker 2: police check on the welfare of Ashley her siblings. The
Speaker 2: records painted a picture of a girl that was caught
Speaker 2: in his system, that saw the symptoms, but somehow missed
Speaker 2: the disease. Ashley's biological father, Wesley, had been sexually assaulting
Speaker 2: her since she was seven years old, turning those court
Speaker 2: mandated visits into a recurring nightmare. But Ashley was braver
Speaker 2: than anybody knew. In early two thousand and one, she
Speaker 2: found the courage to speak up about what her father
Speaker 2: had been doing to her. Medical examination noted physical trauma
Speaker 2: that was consistent with sexual abuse. On the fifth of
Speaker 2: January two thousand and one, Wesley Rocker Junior was indicted
Speaker 2: on forty counts of rape and sexual abuse spanning four years.
Speaker 2: It should have meant justice. It should have meant that
Speaker 2: Ashley's courage in coming forward, would finally protect her. Instead,
Speaker 2: this system failed her spectacularly. On the sixth of September
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, just months after Ashley had summoned
Speaker 2: the strength to expose her father's crimes, Deputy District Attorney
Speaker 2: Chris Owen dropped all forty felony counts in exchange for
Speaker 2: a play of no contest to attempted unlawful sexual penetration.
Speaker 2: Lesley received just one hundred and twenty months of probation,
Speaker 2: no jail time, no prisons entance, just probation for four
Speaker 2: years of systematically abusing his own daughter. Actually had spoken up,
Speaker 2: and the man who had stolen her childhood walked free.
Speaker 2: Yet somehow, Ashley continued to show up to seventh grade
Speaker 2: at Gardener Middle School. She continued to practice with the
Speaker 2: dance team, continued to make plans with friends about becoming
Speaker 2: veterinarians together. At school, actually found her sanctuary on the
Speaker 2: dance team. The gymnasium became her second home, filled with
Speaker 2: the sound of sneakers, squeaking against polished floors and hip
Speaker 2: hop music her preferred soundtrack. She worked hard on her
Speaker 2: routines and made the food of friends. These girls became
Speaker 2: her chosen family, the ones who knew that Ashley, who
Speaker 2: laughed and hugged freely, who dreamed of college and careers
Speaker 2: saving animals. The contradiction that defined Ashley was heartbreakingly simple.
Speaker 2: She loved to give hugs, but she was very shy
Speaker 2: with strangers. She was the girl who would wrap her
Speaker 2: arms around her friends without hesitation, but who might duck
Speaker 2: her head and mumble when meeting somebody new. It was
Speaker 2: a twelve year old's way of navigating a world that
Speaker 2: felt far too big and far too small at the
Speaker 2: same time, a world where the people who should protect
Speaker 2: you sometimes don't. The year before Ashley turned twelve had
Speaker 2: been her most difficult yet. With the trouble at home mounting,
Speaker 2: Ashley had become more reserved, more quiet. Her skill work
Speaker 2: started to suffer as her concentration fragmented under the weight
Speaker 2: of secrets that were too heavy for a child to carry.
Speaker 2: The happy, bubbly girl her family remembered seemed to be
Speaker 2: retreating somewhere deeper inside herself. But then as two thousand
Speaker 2: and one turned to two thousand and two, something changed.
Speaker 2: Acshally became more talkative, more open. She started getting her
Speaker 2: homework done on time, making sure that it was completed well.
Speaker 2: Her teachers noticed the improvement. Her friend saw glimmers of
Speaker 2: the old Ashley returning. Ashley seemed to be emerging from
Speaker 2: the shadow that had fallen across her eleventh year, but
Speaker 2: something even worse was just around the corner. Wednesday, the
Speaker 2: ninth of January two thousand and two, dawned cold and
Speaker 2: charp in Oregon City. Ashley woke up, pulled on her
Speaker 2: jans in a sweatshirt, and prepared for another day of school.
Speaker 2: Laurie's boyfriend, James Cayley, had spent the night. He left
Speaker 2: for her work at around seven fifteen a m. The
Speaker 2: two younger girls had already left for school. By the
Speaker 2: time he left, Ashley was running late. A roundy at
Speaker 2: a m Ashley said goodbye to her mother and headed
Speaker 2: out the front door. The walk to the bus stop
Speaker 2: take less than ten minutes up the hill from Neuill
Speaker 2: Creek Village. It was a routine that Ashley had taken
Speaker 2: hundreds of times before. Passed the same apartment buildings in
Speaker 2: mailboxes and parked cars, But that afternoon, Ashley never returned
Speaker 2: home from school. When evening came and Ashley still hadn't
Speaker 2: walked through the door, Laurie called the school. Her heart
Speaker 2: felt to the pit of her stomach when she learned
Speaker 2: that Ashley had never arrived at school that morning. She
Speaker 2: immediately called police. The search for Ashley got under way quickly,
Speaker 2: and the FBI became involved. They took staymen from Ashley's
Speaker 2: family and conducted a thorough search of the apartment. One
Speaker 2: initial theory was that Ashley might have run away from home,
Speaker 2: given the police call outs the year before and what
Speaker 2: happened with her father, an unreasonable assumption. Children flee dysfunction
Speaker 2: all the time, seeking safety in motion when they can't
Speaker 2: find it in stillness. But according to those who knew
Speaker 2: the family, Ashley and Laurie had worked through their problems.
Speaker 2: The improvement in Ashley's behavior, her renewed focus on school work,
Speaker 2: her increasing openness. None of it suggested a girl that
Speaker 2: was planning to disappear. Neighbor jasyindamac Load had noticed the
Speaker 2: changes too. She admitted that Ashley had been snotty and
Speaker 2: talked back to her mother during the difficult period, but
Speaker 2: she didn't believe that Ashley would run away, not now
Speaker 2: when things seemed to be improving. She said to the media,
Speaker 2: She'd worked too hard to run away. Her and her
Speaker 2: mom have been through helen back to work that hard,
Speaker 2: and to run away makes no sense to me. The
Speaker 2: evidence supported this assessment. Ashley hadn't taken any clothing with her,
Speaker 2: she hadn't reached out to any friends. She'd simply vanished
Speaker 2: without a trace, as if the morning air had swallowed
Speaker 2: her whole. Detectives began methodically scarring through the neighborhood, walking
Speaker 2: the same route that Ashley would have taken to reach
Speaker 2: the bus stop. They examined every doorway, every alley, every
Speaker 2: possible place where a struggle might have occurred, where evidence
Speaker 2: might have been dropped, but there was nothing. The search
Speaker 2: party then expanded their radius, focusing on the wooded area
Speaker 2: that surrounded the apartment complex. They were assisted by explorer scouts,
Speaker 2: who methodically scanned the foliage, calling out Ashley's name until
Speaker 2: their voices grew hoarse. Days trickled past, each one carrying
Speaker 2: less hope than the one before. Detective Gary Harris, who
Speaker 2: had seen too many of these cases to maintain illusions
Speaker 2: about happy endings, summed up their frustration when he said,
Speaker 2: we were hoping we would come up with more, but
Speaker 2: we've not actually come up with anything we can use.
Speaker 2: Thousands of missing powers and flowers were printed and distributed
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Speaker 2: Massive signs with Ashley's face were posted along Beaver Creek Road,
Speaker 2: turning her disappearance into a public play for information. The
Speaker 2: days transformed into weeks and detectives were no closer to
Speaker 2: finding Ashley than they had been on day one. The trail,
Speaker 2: if there ever had been one, had gone cold. Then,
Speaker 2: on the twenty fifth of January, sixteen days after Ashley vanished,
Speaker 2: investigators enlisted the help of the cadaver dog named Klaus.
Speaker 2: The German shepherd methodically sniffed along the doors of the
Speaker 2: apartments in the complex where Ashley had lived, his handler
Speaker 2: watching for any sign that the dog had detected the
Speaker 2: scent of death. Claus then worked the perimeter of the
Speaker 2: wooded area that surrounded the apartment complex, his nose trained
Speaker 2: on secrets the ground might be hiding, But the dog
Speaker 2: found nothing, no hit, no indication that Ashley was anywhere
Speaker 2: in the vicinity of her last known location. It was
Speaker 2: as if she had simply ceased to exist the moment
Speaker 2: she stepped out of her mother's apartment. Ashley's friends at
Speaker 2: Gardener Middle School were devastated by her disappearance. The dance
Speaker 2: team that a Binner second family now felt incomplete. Among
Speaker 2: those friends, none was more affected than thirteen year old
Speaker 2: Miranda Goddis. Miranda lived in the same apartment complex as Ashley,
Speaker 2: just close enough that their mothers often ran into each
Speaker 2: other by the mailboxes. She immediately joined the search efforts
Speaker 2: for her missing friend, her face becoming a familiar presence
Speaker 2: among the volunteers combing the woods and distributing flyers round
Speaker 2: to even smoke with the media.
Speaker 3: We were close, like off and on, but not all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Did she ever talk about comings?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm known her for like since like third or
Speaker 3: second game, and there's yeah, definitely, I want to talk about.
Speaker 3: What do you think happened that morning or what actually
Speaker 3: happened that morning Wednesday? Yeah, that one morning, whish basically
Speaker 3: I will know what happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened. Let's know that she disappeared
Speaker 3: right away. I got kidnapped or something.
Speaker 1: Did you talk about running away from you said.
Speaker 3: That she might have. Yeah, she told her, my little
Speaker 3: sister that she though we before to do that. She
Speaker 3: told her that she was going to run away. So,
Speaker 3: but she's been gone for so long while because it
Speaker 3: seems like she got kim off or something.
Speaker 2: We others might have gone to lose hope. As the
Speaker 2: day stretched into wakes, Miranda refused to give up on Ashley.
Speaker 2: There was something both heartbreaking and admirable about watching a
Speaker 2: thirteen year old girl stand in front of cameras begging
Speaker 2: for somebody to come forward. She spoke with a kind
Speaker 2: of desperate hope that only comes from somebody who truly
Speaker 2: believes that the person they love might still come home.
Speaker 2: The dance team organized a fundraiser to help with the
Speaker 2: search efforts, and it was scheduled for the twenty third
Speaker 2: of March two thousand and two. It was meant to
Speaker 2: raise money for a reward fund, a concrete way to
Speaker 2: channel their grief and helplessness into action. Miranda was supposed
Speaker 2: to perform as part of the fundraiser, another chance to
Speaker 2: honor her missing friend and maybe somehow bring her home,
Speaker 2: but Miranda would never make it to that fundraiser. Miranda
Speaker 2: Diane Garis was thirteen years old at five foot four.
Speaker 2: She was tall for her age, with dyed blonde hair
Speaker 2: that caught the light and brown eyes. Her friends all
Speaker 2: described her as outgoing, funny, and very loving. Like Ashley,
Speaker 2: Miranda lived at Neil Creek Village with her mother, Michelle Duffy,
Speaker 2: her older sister, Marissa, and younger siblings. Michelle and Miranda's
Speaker 2: father were divorced, and Michelle worked as an office manager
Speaker 2: for an engineering firm. Miranda's father, Jason, on the other hand,
Speaker 2: had been convicted in nineteen ninety five of sexually assaulting
Speaker 2: two girls. When police came to arrest him, he grabbed
Speaker 2: Miranda and used her as a hostage. Michelle described Miranda
Speaker 2: as a real happy kid. She loves dancing and bouncing
Speaker 2: around and always smiling. She would dance to anything from
Speaker 2: Janet Jackson the Pink. Miranda had dreams to one day
Speaker 2: become a model. She also had a rebellious streak with
Speaker 2: a pierced to belly button and tongue. At just thirteen
Speaker 2: years old, she looked much older than her age, something
Speaker 2: her mother worried about when it came to boys. She recollected,
Speaker 2: she looked eighteen or nineteen. At the town Center, I
Speaker 2: tell guys she's thirteen. Miranda and Ashley had been friends
Speaker 2: for a few years. They lived in the same apartment complex,
Speaker 2: rode the same boss, and danced together. Miranda was the
Speaker 2: more aging one, the girl who cracked up her dance
Speaker 2: class with goofy moves. Ashley was the one who preferred
Speaker 2: to be in the background. Both girls carried secrets that
Speaker 2: were too heavy for children to bear. They'd both endured
Speaker 2: sexual abuse as young children. In nineteen ninety nine, Miranda's
Speaker 2: mother's ex boyfriend, Brett mcgannay, was indicted on seven counts
Speaker 2: of sexual abuse involving Miranda. He later played a guilty
Speaker 2: to a single count of first degree sexual abuse and
Speaker 2: was sentenced to seventy five months in prison. The state
Speaker 2: removed Miranda and her sisters from her mother's care, and
Speaker 2: they lived with foster parents for around eighteen months before
Speaker 2: they were allowed to return home. The two girls had
Speaker 2: a shared trauma that perhaps drew them even closer together,
Speaker 2: but friendship at thirteen can be complicated, especially when tragedy strikes.
Speaker 2: As the weeks passed after Ashley disappeared, Miranda found herself
Speaker 2: caught in a storm of conflicting emotions. She'd been upset
Speaker 2: about the attention that focused on Ashley. She even thought
Speaker 2: at one point that Ashley had just run away. Her
Speaker 2: mother recollected she thought she ran away and didn't want
Speaker 2: to come back. It wasn't that she didn't want her
Speaker 2: friend found. It was that she'd felt forgotten. In the
Speaker 2: wake of Ashley's disappearance, the frustration built inside her until
Speaker 2: one day she told her mother Michelle, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go get kidnapped. It was the kind of thing that
Speaker 2: thirteen year olds say when they feel overlooked, when they
Speaker 2: want attention, when they don't fully understand the weight of
Speaker 2: their words. Miranda had become angry at Ashley for causing
Speaker 2: so much turmoil, for disappearing and leaving everyone else to
Speaker 2: deal with the chaos and fear that followed. Her life
Speaker 2: had changed. She took her mother's cell phone wherever she
Speaker 2: left the house and stopped going anywhere alone. She didn't
Speaker 2: understand that Ashley hadn't chosen to disappear, that her friend
Speaker 2: hadn't wanted to become the center of a tragedy. Children
Speaker 2: often believe that they're invincible the bad things happened to
Speaker 2: other people in other places at other times. Even with
Speaker 2: Ashley's disappearance casting a shadow over Neil Creek Village, Miranda
Speaker 2: probably didn't truly believe that the same darkness could reach
Speaker 2: for her. On the morning of the eighth of March
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, Miranda sat at the kitchen table
Speaker 2: in her bathroom eating breakfast while her mother, Michelle, prepared
Speaker 2: for another day at work. It was a routine morning.
Speaker 2: Miranda told her mother about the dead ahead. She said
Speaker 2: ed school got out at one pm and she planned
Speaker 2: on heading to her friend's house. She also had to
Speaker 2: return to school for a three pm dance rehearsal. Michelle
Speaker 2: reminded Miranda to lock the apartment door when she left
Speaker 2: for school, and then headed out at seven point thirty am.
Speaker 2: Miranda was supposed to leave around eight am, following the
Speaker 2: same route up the hill to the bus stop that
Speaker 2: Ashley had taken nearly two months earlier, the bus stop
Speaker 2: that had already claimed one girl. But as Miranda finished
Speaker 2: her breakfast and got dressed for school, she had no
Speaker 2: way of knowing that her casual complaint about wanting to
Speaker 2: be kidnapped was about to become a horrifying reality. Like Ashley,
Speaker 2: Miranda never made it to that bus stop. The similarities
Speaker 2: between Ashley and Miranda's disappearances were far too obvious to ignore.
Speaker 2: They were two young girls living in the same apartment
Speaker 2: complex who vanished while walking to catch the skill bus.
Speaker 2: The constant stream of police officers that had died down
Speaker 2: since January was back flooding Nurl Creek Village apartments once more,
Speaker 2: with flashing lights and the grim machinery of investigation. The
Speaker 2: same volunteers who had searched for Ashley came together again,
Speaker 2: their faces more haggard now, their hope more fragile. They
Speaker 2: searched the same streets, combed the same wooded areas, called
Speaker 2: out into the same silence that had swallowed their voices
Speaker 2: two months earlier. This time they called for Miranda, but
Speaker 2: the forest gave back nothing but echoes. Miranda's mother, Michelle,
Speaker 2: stood before reporters and said, it's very frustrating. We've talked
Speaker 2: to anybody and everybody. I hope she calls to us
Speaker 2: to let us know she's okay. We've cried a lot today. Initially,
Speaker 2: investigators considered the possibility that Miranda had staged drown disappearance.
Speaker 2: After all, she had made that haunting comment about getting kidnapped.
Speaker 2: But like Ashley before her, Miranda hadn't taken any of
Speaker 2: her belongings. Her friends all insisted she'd been looking forward
Speaker 2: to an upcoming dance competition. The theory crumbled under the
Speaker 2: weight of evidence that suggested something far more sinister. The
Speaker 2: FBI set up a commands center on the second story
Speaker 2: of the Oregon City Fire Department. As agents and detectives
Speaker 2: worked around the clock searching for the two girls, the
Speaker 2: atmosphere at Neil Creek Village became suffocating with fear and suspicion.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Smith, the mother of three daughters, captured the terror
Speaker 2: that had settled over the community, stating, if I didn't
Speaker 2: have a lease, I'd be out of here tomorrow. She
Speaker 2: wouldn't let her daughters play outside anymore. The specter of
Speaker 2: a child abdoctor loomed heavy overhead, and parents were terrified
Speaker 2: their child would be next. While detectives hadn't officially declared
Speaker 2: that the girls were abducted, that was now the main theory.
Speaker 2: Somewhere in their midst lurked a press editor who knew
Speaker 2: exactly when and where to strike somebody who could make
Speaker 2: children disappear in broad daylight without anybody saying or hearing
Speaker 2: a thing. Brandy Williams voiced what many residents were thinking
Speaker 2: when she said, people are very suspicious of it being
Speaker 2: someone around here, someone who knows the neighborhood kids and
Speaker 2: their schedules. As the days trickled past with no trace
Speaker 2: of either girl, the FBI made two chilling announcements. They
Speaker 2: believed the cases were linked, and they believed both girls
Speaker 2: were abducted. More disturbing still, they were convinced that Ashley
Speaker 2: and Miranda knew their abductor. Chief Gordon Herres explained the
Speaker 2: logic that led to this conclusion. If it was a
Speaker 2: forcible abduction, at least at that location, somebody would have
Speaker 2: seen something or heard something. The apartment complex was typically
Speaker 2: busy during the morning rush with people heading to work
Speaker 2: in school. Both girls' families insisted their daughters wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been forced into a vehicle without screaming and fighting back,
Speaker 2: yet nobody heard a thing. A family friend of Miranda's
Speaker 2: reinforced this assessment and said she's a tough person. She
Speaker 2: would have screamed at the top of her lungs. The
Speaker 2: implications were terrifying. If the girls knew their abductor, if
Speaker 2: they had gone willingly, at least initially, then the predator
Speaker 2: wasn't some stranger lurking in the shadows. It was someone familiar,
Speaker 2: someone trusted, someone who moved through their community undetected because
Speaker 2: he belonged there. In an effort to trace persons of interest,
Speaker 2: detectives searched both girls computers. Their disappearances aired on America's
Speaker 2: Most Wanted and Unsolved Mysteries, broadcasting their faces to millions
Speaker 2: of views across the country. Shortly after the show aired,
Speaker 2: the FBI announced a fifty thousand dollars reward for information
Speaker 2: about the disappearances. Special Agent Charles Matthews directed a message
Speaker 2: at the kidnap stating we will find you and we
Speaker 2: will arrest you. But as it turned out, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have to search very far at all. On the thirteenth
Speaker 2: of August two thousand and two, more than seven months
Speaker 2: after Ashley's disappearance, in five months after Miranda vanished, a
Speaker 2: house close to Nuril Creek Village apartments was suddenly enveloped
Speaker 2: in crime scene tape. Detectives could be seen coming and
Speaker 2: going with bags of evidence. The home belonged to thirty
Speaker 2: nine year old Ward Francis Weaver, the Third. A few
Speaker 2: hours earlier, a woman wrapped only in a blue plastic
Speaker 2: torp came running from Weaver's home. She flagged on a
Speaker 2: motorist who took her to the Payliss shoe source in
Speaker 2: the nearby Berry Hill shopping center, where she stumbled inside.
Speaker 2: Hysterical and shaking. She had red marks and scratches covering
Speaker 2: her neck. The woman was the nineteen year old girl
Speaker 2: friend of Ward Weaver's son, Francis. Between sobs, she told
Speaker 2: store employee and native Stuart that Ward Weaver had raped
Speaker 2: her and tried to kill her. The young girl's story
Speaker 2: was as calculated as it was brutal. She had gone
Speaker 2: to Ward Weaver's home to pick him up. He told
Speaker 2: her he had forgotten something inside and asked her to
Speaker 2: come in. When she was inside, he asked her to
Speaker 2: follow him into the bedroom because he wanted to show
Speaker 2: her something. Once inside, Weaver raped her and then tried
Speaker 2: to strangle her. She had managed to fight back, pulling
Speaker 2: his hair and bashing his head to fend them off,
Speaker 2: before escaping into the afternoon, wrapped in nothing but a torp.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't the only call that police received that day.
Speaker 2: Around the same time, a nine one one call came
Speaker 2: in from Weaver's nineteen year old son, Francis. His voice
Speaker 2: was shaken as he told the despatcher something that would
Speaker 2: finally break the case wide open. His father had claimed
Speaker 2: to have killed Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis, and he
Speaker 2: was planning on fleeing to Mexico. Ward Weaver didn't get
Speaker 2: very far. Detectives tracked him down and arrested him as
Speaker 2: he drove north on Interstate two five. As it turned out,
Speaker 2: Weaver was already very familiar to detectives who were investigating
Speaker 2: the disappearances of Ashley and Miranda. In fact, he had
Speaker 2: been hiding in plain sight all along, a predator who
Speaker 2: had filled everyone, including the investigators who should have seen
Speaker 2: him coming. Ward Francis Weaver third was born on the
Speaker 2: sixth of April nineteen sixty three in Humboldt County, California,
Speaker 2: to Trish and Ward Weaver Junior. From the moment he
Speaker 2: drew breath, he was destined to inherit a legacy that
Speaker 2: would make most families change their names and flee to
Speaker 2: different states. But the Weavers weren't most families. They were
Speaker 2: a dynasty of predators, a blood line that seemed to
Speaker 2: pass violence in sexual devians from father to son, like
Speaker 2: an heirloom that nobody wanted but everybody received. In nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty seven, when Weaver was just four years old, his
Speaker 2: father abandoned the family. It was an abandonment that might
Speaker 2: have seemed like mercy, except that Word Weaver Junior's absence
Speaker 2: didn't spare his son from the family curse. It only
Speaker 2: delayed its manifestation. Ward Weaver Senior, the boy's grandfather, had
Speaker 2: raped his own sister and two of the family's granddaughters.
Speaker 2: Dorothy Weaver, his grandmother, harbored a dep hatred of men.
Speaker 2: One day, she grabbed a butcher knife and declared she
Speaker 2: wanted to cut off all of their penises. Despite his abandonment,
Speaker 2: Weaver still idolized Ward Junior, even when his father sat
Speaker 2: on death row. In nineteen eighty one, when Weaver was
Speaker 2: eighteen years old, his father, Ward Junior, murdered eighteen year
Speaker 2: old Air Force recruit Robert Radford and his twenty three
Speaker 2: year old girlfriend, Barbara Lavoy, who he also raped. Ward
Speaker 2: Junior had found the couple stranded a long Highway fifty
Speaker 2: eight in California, where their car had broken down. He
Speaker 2: beat Robert to death on the spot, then kidnapped, raped,
Speaker 2: and sodomized Barbara before killing her and burying her in
Speaker 2: his back yard. The bidders only came to light when
Speaker 2: Ward Junior was in prisonerretre serving a sentence of forty
Speaker 2: two years he had picked up two other runaways and
Speaker 2: arranged for a friend to shoot one of them, while
Speaker 2: he repeatedly raped the other, a fifteen year old girl,
Speaker 2: before letting her go. Ward Junior was convicted in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four in Kern County Superior Court for first degree murder,
Speaker 2: but the true scope of his crimes may never be known.
Speaker 2: He was a truck driver whose route matched with twenty
Speaker 2: six Unsalt hitchhiker murders, though he was never charged with
Speaker 2: any other crimes, the implication was chilling. War Junior may
Speaker 2: have been a serial killer whose cross country roots became
Speaker 2: hunting grounds for young people unlucky enough to need a ride.
Speaker 2: This was the father that Weaver looked up to. This
Speaker 2: was the man whose approval he craved, whose path he
Speaker 2: would eventually follow with horrifying precision. Weaver's mother went on
Speaker 2: to marry another man, Bob Budrew. He was said to
Speaker 2: be an abuse of alcoholic. As a teenager, Weaver exhibited
Speaker 2: anti social behavior. According to his sister, by the time
Speaker 2: he was twelve, he had physically and sexually abused at
Speaker 2: least one family member. Weaver's own criminal career began early
Speaker 2: and escalated steadily. In nineteen eighty one, a teenage relative
Speaker 2: reported him for rape, but ultimately prosecutors decided not to
Speaker 2: pursue charges because Weaver had enlisted in the U. S.
Speaker 2: Army Reserves, but he was discharged the following year for
Speaker 2: heavy drinking and dereliction of duty. He married a woman
Speaker 2: named Maria Stout and welcomed a baby boy, Frances, in
Speaker 2: December of nineteen eighty two. Three more children followed. In
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six, Weaver was arrested after he attacked the
Speaker 2: teenage daughters of a friend who were babysitting. He hit
Speaker 2: one of the girls with a twelve pound block of
Speaker 2: concrete and was sentenced to three years in prison. After
Speaker 2: his release, Weaver and his wife Maria relocated to Cambian, Oregon,
Speaker 2: where they operated a store. There. Maria gave birth to
Speaker 2: their fourth child, Mallory, in nineteen eighty nine, but even
Speaker 2: the facade of domestic normalcy couldn't contain Weaver's true nature.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety three, Maria filed a restraining order against
Speaker 2: her husband, claiming he had threatened to shoot her and
Speaker 2: hit their children. Two years later, Weaver's girlfriend, Christie Sloane
Speaker 2: filed a restraining order, claiming he beat her over the
Speaker 2: head with the frying pan while she was asleep and
Speaker 2: threatened to kill her and her family. Her father, Mike,
Speaker 2: described Weaver as a domineering man who tried to control
Speaker 2: everything his daughter did. Whenever she went to her parents' house,
Speaker 2: she could only stay a few minutes before Weaver demanded
Speaker 2: her home. He was jailed for the incident, but Christie
Speaker 2: opted out of testifying against him. The couple got back
Speaker 2: together and ultimately married in nineteen ninety six, before divorcing
Speaker 2: around three years later. She said of him, he's a
Speaker 2: very mean and abusive person. Now that he's behind bars,
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to talk. By the time Ward Weaver
Speaker 2: third was arrested for the rape of his son's girlfriend,
Speaker 2: he was no stranger to detective searching for Ashley and Miranda.
Speaker 2: He had become a person of interest very early on
Speaker 2: in the investigation because the connections between him and the
Speaker 2: missing girls were impossible to ignore once she started looking.
Speaker 2: His daughter, Mallory, had been friends with Ashley and Miranda.
Speaker 2: The three girls attended the same school and the same
Speaker 2: dance class. Ashley had stead over at Weaver's house on
Speaker 2: several occasions. Five months before Ashley disappeared, she had accused
Speaker 2: Weaver of attempting to rape her at his home. The
Speaker 2: incident was reported to police, but in a pattern that
Speaker 2: was becoming tragically familiar in Ashley's young life, they didn't
Speaker 2: formally file any charges against Weaver. The timing was devastating.
Speaker 2: Ashley's accusation came just as her biological father was about
Speaker 2: to face trial for sexually abusing her. According to her aunt,
Speaker 2: Caroline Amos, Ashley's accusations against Weaver undermined her credibility in
Speaker 2: her father's case. It made it look like Ashley was
Speaker 2: making up stories, Carolyn would later explain, so, once again,
Speaker 2: a system meant to protect Ashley instead failed her. Naturally,
Speaker 2: Weaver became a person of interes in Ashley's disappearance. Well
Speaker 2: not admisable in court. He took a polygraph examination and
Speaker 2: failed spectacularly. But rather than retreating into silence like most
Speaker 2: suspects might, Weaver did the opposite. He maintained a high
Speaker 2: profile throughout the investigation. He spoke with reporters, telling them
Speaker 2: openly that he was the lead suspect. He admitted that
Speaker 2: he had failed a polygraph, but insisted he had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the disappearances. Most remarkably, he spoke about
Speaker 2: Ashley's allegations against him.
Speaker 1: Actually has a habit. She gets in trouble by someone
Speaker 1: should make accusations against that person. And the first time
Speaker 1: that I actually had to come down on her about
Speaker 1: her mouth, she did just that. You know, she made
Speaker 1: accusations that I in lest her. I know, Astra ran away,
Speaker 1: you know, and the fact that the FBI has thrown
Speaker 1: both of these cases, you know, until someone took them both.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, fine, you know, I don't see it
Speaker 1: that way. And I would really not like them think
Speaker 1: that someone took Miranda either girl. Actually, but I well,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to do with what's going.
Speaker 2: On, he said to one reporter. Basically, Ashley's problem was
Speaker 2: she just wanted someone to care about her. She was
Speaker 2: looking for somebody steady who was going to take care
Speaker 2: of her and trade her like a young little girl.
Speaker 2: He even claimed that Ashley had lived with him for
Speaker 2: five months, something her family denied. We were described that
Speaker 2: he had treated Ashley like a daughter, paying for her clothing,
Speaker 2: feeding her, and taking her to California with the family
Speaker 2: the summer before. His obsession with Ashley was so obvious
Speaker 2: that it had caused conflict with his then girlfriend, who
Speaker 2: felt that Ashley was receiving preferential treatment. We've explained she
Speaker 2: felt that Ashley was trying to take over, as if
Speaker 2: a twelve year old girl could somehow manipulate an adult man,
Speaker 2: rather than the other way around. We were also revealed
Speaker 2: telling details about his relationship with Ashley that in hindsight,
Speaker 2: painted a picture of calculated grooming. He often drove her
Speaker 2: to school because she missed the school bus. He explained,
Speaker 2: Ashley had this habit. She really really didn't like to
Speaker 2: get up and catch the bus. She took her time,
Speaker 2: waiting until the last minute to take a Shore, so
Speaker 2: I would end up having to take her to school.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't just Ashley that Weaver knew intimately. Miranda
Speaker 2: was in the same church youth group as his daughter.
Speaker 2: He would drive Miranda to youth group meetings and school
Speaker 2: dance team practices, inserting himself into her life with the
Speaker 2: same calculated patients he had shootn with Ashley mirand had
Speaker 2: spent the night at Weaver's house on several occasions. He
Speaker 2: was asked if he knew where they were by a
Speaker 2: reporter for Katu none.
Speaker 4: I like to know her.
Speaker 1: Both of mar like to see Miranda come home. Masha,
Speaker 1: I'd igno where she's at, but honestly I didn't leave
Speaker 1: her there.
Speaker 2: While under investigation, Weaver told his brother Rodney the police
Speaker 2: only suspected him because of their father's grizzly past. Just
Speaker 2: a couple of days after Miranda vanished, Weaver had poured
Speaker 2: concrete over a hole in his backyard. His daughter Mallory,
Speaker 2: had told the school guidance counselor she missed the church
Speaker 2: service for Ashley and Miranda because she needed to help
Speaker 2: her father dig a hole in the garden. He claimed
Speaker 2: it was for a hot tub, but no hot tub
Speaker 2: ever emerged, just a suspicious concrete slab in the yard
Speaker 2: of a man whose daughter's friends kept disappearing. Soon after,
Speaker 2: neighbors noticed him packing up his belongings, claiming he planned
Speaker 2: to move from the house. And now with the Weaver
Speaker 2: behind bars on charge of first degree rape, detectives finally
Speaker 2: had the opening they needed. Detectives obtained to search warrant
Speaker 2: for Ward Weaver's home on the twenty third of August
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. They were focusing specifically on the yard,
Speaker 2: on that concrete slab that was supposed to have been
Speaker 2: for a hot tub that never materialized. The concrete slab
Speaker 2: itself had become an accusation. One of Ashley's relatives had
Speaker 2: taped a sign to the surface that simply read dig
Speaker 2: me up. Before excavation, detectives methodically searched the rest of
Speaker 2: the yard. First, there was a storage shed towards the
Speaker 2: back of the property. They creaked open the door and
Speaker 2: saw a microwave oven box inside with the remains of
Speaker 2: Miranda Goddess, the girl who had dreamed of modeling, who
Speaker 2: had complained about Ashley getting all of the attention, who
Speaker 2: had made the haunting prediction about getting kidnapped. She'd been
Speaker 2: there all along. Then they excavated the concrete slab. Underneath
Speaker 2: was a fifty five gallon barrel that had become Ashley
Speaker 2: Pond's tomb. Her body had been mummified, and there was
Speaker 2: evidence she had been frozen at some stage. A white
Speaker 2: rope had been wrapped around her neck and connected to
Speaker 2: her wrists and hands. Both girls had been wrapped in
Speaker 2: plastic shading that came from Weaver's employer Manufactures Tool Service.
Speaker 2: Weaver's fingerprints were found on the tape that was used
Speaker 2: to seal the cardboard box containing Miranda's body. Ward Weaver,
Speaker 2: the third was indicted on charges of aggravated murder, rape,
Speaker 2: attempted rape, sexual abuse, and abuse of a corpse. The
Speaker 2: prosecution announced that they were seeking the death penalty. In
Speaker 2: the wake of the discovery, the true scope of institutional
Speaker 2: failure began to emerge. Weaver's ex wife, Christie, revealed that
Speaker 2: she had told detectives five months earlier that they should
Speaker 2: dig beneath the concrete in the yard. She had also
Speaker 2: told them about weaver Ver's family history, about how Weaver's
Speaker 2: father had buried his victim in the yard and then
Speaker 2: filled it up with concrete. Yet somehow this crucial information
Speaker 2: had been ignored or forgotten while Ashley and Miranda lay
Speaker 2: decomposing mere yards where investigators walked their search dogs. The
Speaker 2: community was stunned that Ashley and Miranda had been right
Speaker 2: there in the neighborhood all along. Miranda's aunt, Terry Duffrey,
Speaker 2: captured the anguish that everyone felt when she said they
Speaker 2: came in and out of that driveway a hundred times
Speaker 2: and they were right there, I mean right there, and
Speaker 2: we couldn't do anything. On the thirtieth of August, Oregon
Speaker 2: City High School opened their doors for thousands of mourners
Speaker 2: in tribute to Ashley and Miranda Kent. Swatman addressed the
Speaker 2: crowd and said, we gathered today as a community to
Speaker 2: mourn their loss and to honor their young lives. The
Speaker 2: town hadn't seen a homicide since nineteen ninety three, and
Speaker 2: thousands of people came out to pay their respect. But
Speaker 2: beyond the grief and the flowers and the promises to
Speaker 2: never forget, a more uncomfortable reckoning was beginning. Governor John
Speaker 2: Kizzieber announced that the state needed a fail safe system
Speaker 2: for investigating and following up on allegations of sexual abuse.
Speaker 2: He promised they would examine whether the state had mishandled
Speaker 2: Ashley's sexual abuse allegations against Weaver. That examination revealed a
Speaker 2: cascade of failures. Ashley had told multiple people what Weaver
Speaker 2: had done to her, including a teacher and a prosecutor,
Speaker 2: had even been made aware. In total, Child Protection Services
Speaker 2: received five separate calls reporting that Ashley had accused Weaver
Speaker 2: of sexually abusing her. Five opportunities to save not just Ashley,
Speaker 2: but Miranda as well. State officials claimed they had sent
Speaker 2: reports to the Sheriff's office, but the sheriff's office claimed
Speaker 2: they never received them. State officials later acknowledged they hadn't
Speaker 2: followed up to see if their reports were received or
Speaker 2: acted upon. As it turned out, they had sent the
Speaker 2: reports to the wrong place, a bureaucratic error that would
Speaker 2: cost two children their lives. The truth was even worse
Speaker 2: than simple incompetence. After Ashley reported Weaver's abuse, he had
Speaker 2: made her life hell. He told her he was going
Speaker 2: to testify in her father's trial, claiming that her rapist
Speaker 2: father was a good man and accusing Ashley of lying
Speaker 2: in court. Her mandor at school, Linde Verden, witnessed Ashley's
Speaker 2: terror and recalled there was no doubt she was terrified.
Speaker 4: Linda Ward didn't rape me. He tried to rape me.
Speaker 4: I know the difference. Then she chilled me to the
Speaker 4: bone by saying quietly, usually when I spent the night
Speaker 4: over there, he only lies on top of me.
Speaker 2: So Ashley was caught in a perfect storm of institut
Speaker 2: tuitional failure and personal manipulation, a system that ignored her
Speaker 2: cries for help, while her abuser threatened to destroy what
Speaker 2: little credibility she had left. She was twelve years old,
Speaker 2: facing down two adult predators and a bureaucracy that seemed
Speaker 2: designed to protect everyone except the children it claimed to serve.
Speaker 2: In the end, to child welfare agency workers were fired
Speaker 2: for how they handled Arshley's reports of sexual abuse. They
Speaker 2: blamed an overwhelming workload in a final insult to Ashley's memory.
Speaker 2: Both workers were eventually rehired. In August of two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, Miranda's mother, Michelle, filed a one point five
Speaker 2: million dollar lawsuit against the Oregon Department of Human Services,
Speaker 2: claiming they had mishandled the abuse reports. The next month,
Speaker 2: Ashley's mother, Laurie, lost Costaday of her three remaining children
Speaker 2: after a co cutler reported a case of abuse by neglect.
Speaker 2: Lourie then filed a nine point seventy five million dollar
Speaker 2: federal lawsuit claiming police and child welfare officials had failed
Speaker 2: to protect Ashley from Weaver. The lawsuits ultimately ended in
Speaker 2: a ten thousand dollars settlement. Meanwhile, Ward Weaver the third
Speaker 2: was speaking with reporters from behind bars, spinning new lies
Speaker 2: even as the evidence of his guilt surrounded him, He
Speaker 2: claimed that a shadowy conspiracy of outlaw motorcycle gang members
Speaker 2: and drug dealers were actually responsible for the murders. He said,
Speaker 2: I'm ninety nine percent sure I'm going to walk out
Speaker 2: of this place in mid September when my trial is over.
Speaker 2: He spoke with the confidence of a man who had
Speaker 2: spent his entire life manipulating his way out of consequences.
Speaker 2: He spoke with katu, did you kill.
Speaker 4: Ashley find and ran again.
Speaker 2: No, I did not.
Speaker 4: So if you didn't.
Speaker 2: Kill Ashley and Miranda, then how did they wind up
Speaker 2: in your backyards?
Speaker 1: Public property? Who knows that place has been public existence,
Speaker 1: those apartments and those kinds have been built. People kick
Speaker 1: out the back fence and walk up through my backyard.
Speaker 2: But reality was beginning to intrude on Weaver's delusions. In January,
Speaker 2: he was taken to hospital after slashing his chest and
Speaker 2: wrists with a disposable razor. The injuries were superficial, and
Speaker 2: he was back in jail within ours. A few months later,
Speaker 2: a judge sent him to a state psychiatric hospital indefinitely,
Speaker 2: suspending the trial. Judge Robert Herndon said Weaver suffered from
Speaker 2: severe depression that prevented him from cooperating in his own defense.
Speaker 2: A psychiatrist for the defense had diagnosed him with narcissistic
Speaker 2: personality disorder and major depression, but a competing expert for
Speaker 2: the prosecution said that he was faking some of his symptoms.
Speaker 2: Since January, Weaver had carved his daughter's name into his forearm,
Speaker 2: lacerated his chest, banged his head against a wall, and
Speaker 2: told doctors he believed he was in jail as punishment
Speaker 2: for spanking his daughters. He also reported here voices. In August,
Speaker 2: after spending four months under psychiatric evaluation, Weaver was found
Speaker 2: combetan to stand trial. The tarade of mental illness had
Speaker 2: run its course, and it was time to face the
Speaker 2: consequences of what he had done to Ashleigh and Miranda,
Speaker 2: but a murder trial would never come. On the twenty
Speaker 2: second of September two thousand and four, Ward Weaver the
Speaker 2: Third was escorted into the courtroom, his shoulders slumped and
Speaker 2: his voice barely audible as he pleaded guilty to the
Speaker 2: murders of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis. The charges kept coming,
Speaker 2: two counts of abuse of a corpse, three counts of
Speaker 2: sexual abuse, the rape of his son's girlfriend's teenage sister,
Speaker 2: and no contest played at ten more charges, including the
Speaker 2: rape of yet another friend of his daughter, seventeen counts.
Speaker 2: In total, seventeen ways he had destroyed innocence. The plea
Speaker 2: deal would spare him from death row, but Ward Weaver,
Speaker 2: the third, would never see freedom again. He received two
Speaker 2: consecutive life sentences. The plea had come after Weaver's daughter
Speaker 2: sent him a letter that simply begged, Daddy, make it stop.
Speaker 2: His own child could no longer bear the weight of
Speaker 2: what he had become. In the victim impact statemens, the
Speaker 2: mother's words cut through the courtroom like broken glass. Michel
Speaker 2: Miranda's mother said, I ask you today, Ward, did she suffer?
Speaker 2: What were her last words? Laurie Ashley's mother said, part
Speaker 2: of my life died with her. I ask you, why
Speaker 2: did you have to kill her? Weaver offered no explanation
Speaker 2: for his crimes. He remained silent about his motivations, leaving
Speaker 2: only the detective's theories to fill the void. Ashley had
Speaker 2: made allegations against him, accusations that threaten to unravel his
Speaker 2: carefully constructed facade, so she had to disappear. Miranda, they
Speaker 2: believed knew too much. After Ashley vanished, Miranda had warned
Speaker 2: a friend never to stay overnight at Weaver's home. She
Speaker 2: believed he had molested Ashleigh, that other girls were in danger.
Speaker 2: In Weaver's twisted logic, her knowledge made her liability. Judge
Speaker 2: Hendon then addressed him and said, you will leave here
Speaker 2: with your life to day, such as it may be,
Speaker 2: I see nothing but evil. I believe every one probably
Speaker 2: shares the hope that there's a special place in hell
Speaker 2: for people like you. Years pasted, Miranda's younger sister, Maria,
Speaker 2: was only eleven when the murder shattered her world. She
Speaker 2: grew into a young woman that was haunted by questions.
Speaker 2: When she was eighteened, she reached out to her sister's killer.
Speaker 2: She needed answers. In prison, Weaver finally spoke. He admitted
Speaker 2: what everyone already knew. He had killed them both. Ashleygh
Speaker 2: he claimed because she he saw something Miranda, in a
Speaker 2: grotesque twist of justification, to protect her from a bad
Speaker 2: home life, he described strangling both the girls with his
Speaker 2: bare hands, moving their bodies to confuse the police dogs.
Speaker 2: Mira even visited him, but the visit stopped abruptly when
Speaker 2: Weaver made one final chilling revelation. If he hadn't been caught,
Speaker 2: she would have been next. Even behind bars word Weaver
Speaker 2: the third remained a predator. The Weaver name would make
Speaker 2: headlines once more. In two thousand and four, Francis Weaver,
Speaker 2: the boy who had grown up in his father and
Speaker 2: grandfather's shadow, was charged with murder during a drug robbery
Speaker 2: gone wrong. He in two accomplices, shot Edward Spangler in
Speaker 2: the face and shoulder and left him to die. Three generations,
Speaker 2: three weaver Men, three murderers. The apple it seemed truly
Speaker 2: didn't fall far from the tree, But then came a
Speaker 2: revelation that cast everything in a different, more disturbing light.
Speaker 2: Francis wasn't actually Waver's biological son. His mother admitted that
Speaker 2: his real father was either Richard, a deceased marine, or Christopher,
Speaker 2: a man in the navy. The boy raised as a
Speaker 2: Weaver wasn't really a Waver at all, which raised the
Speaker 2: most chilling question of all. Was evil inherited or was
Speaker 2: a tout? In the case of the Waver family, Perhaps
Speaker 2: it didn't matter. Francis had been raised in War's image,
Speaker 2: molded by his example, shaped by his twisted worldview. Biology
Speaker 2: be damned, he had learned to be a monster from
Speaker 2: the Master himself. Well that is it for this episode
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