Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, and welcome back once again to Wheel Takes,
Speaker 1: a podcast about the Wheel of Time, a series of
Speaker 1: fantasy novels written by Rober Jordan completed by Brandon Sanderson.
Speaker 1: I'm gus, I've read them.
Speaker 2: All and I'm Ali and I am on book thirteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: chapter nine.
Speaker 1: Yep, this podcast, you nailed it. Oh fuck, this podcast
Speaker 1: only contains spoilers for what Ali has already read and
Speaker 1: again today. That is everything up to and including Towers
Speaker 1: of Midnight chapter nine. Yay. This is our fourth week
Speaker 1: in a row. We've actually gotten an episode up when
Speaker 1: we're supposed to.
Speaker 2: Our fourth week in a row.
Speaker 1: Fourth week in a row.
Speaker 2: Look at us, we're killing it.
Speaker 1: Got us. It's almost like we're real by casters or something.
Speaker 2: Oh stop, we're doing a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just but we're back at it.
Speaker 1: Baby, glad to be consistent again. I've missed this me too.
Speaker 2: I've missed it too.
Speaker 1: How are you doing?
Speaker 2: Real? Good?
Speaker 1: Excellent? So happy, excellent.
Speaker 2: I I'm a little sick, so I might be coughing,
Speaker 2: but otherwise I'm good.
Speaker 1: I start filming a movie this week. Oh, very fun.
Speaker 1: Should still be able to record? I think before next week,
Speaker 1: I think we'll be able to do that. I'm doing
Speaker 1: I'm doing night shoots all week, which means that I'm
Speaker 1: working from you know, sundown to sun up, which here
Speaker 1: is something like nine pm to five a m. So
Speaker 1: it is a nine to five.
Speaker 2: It's just the other way around.
Speaker 1: It's kind of nine to five. And then I'm also
Speaker 1: technically still working at my job job.
Speaker 2: How are you going to do that?
Speaker 1: I told him not to call me in the morning.
Speaker 1: I told my boss, please do not call me before noon.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm happy to work late, but I would
Speaker 1: really appreciate it if I could, because I can take
Speaker 1: time off. He said, no, that's fine, as long as
Speaker 1: you still get everything done. I was like, wow, parbat
Speaker 1: of the best boss in the ever world. Shout out
Speaker 1: to my boss, the best boss in the world. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the thing about creatives is we have
Speaker 2: to balance our jobs with our jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Chapter nine alley is called Blood in the Air.
Speaker 1: There's the chapter logo. What is it? It's a wheel. It's
Speaker 1: the wheel. This might be kind of a short one
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: Or maybe not.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, and then it's like two hours of
Speaker 1: I don't even fucking know.
Speaker 2: What me coming up with all kinds of shuit, all kinds.
Speaker 1: Of exciting things. Take any notes. I think you took
Speaker 1: a few.
Speaker 2: Think I did. I think it was honestly one note.
Speaker 1: Sh it's catching if you yawned, let us.
Speaker 2: Know, is it? It's Towers of Midnight.
Speaker 1: It is Towers of Midnight. I know you took notes
Speaker 1: because he started reading them for chapters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by accident, the golam only took seven to ten
Speaker 2: business months to attack. Yes, as efficient as robot customer
Speaker 2: service this one. Damn it. Now we have a fucking delay.
Speaker 2: We can't go get Moraine now, but we already.
Speaker 1: Did remember because of the letter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by it for I had forgotten about the letter.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: And that's it?
Speaker 1: That's it? Well, I mean this is kind of an
Speaker 1: action chapter.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's not a lot of like substance, no
Speaker 2: well interest of like you know, there's no prophecies to
Speaker 2: deep dive on or like anything like that. It's just
Speaker 2: it's just action.
Speaker 1: It's KABOOMI bamage, which is fun.
Speaker 2: I like a good action cheat and.
Speaker 1: It is a good action chapter. I guess we'll get
Speaker 1: into it. Remember what happened just before the chapter.
Speaker 2: He walked into his tent and there was blood.
Speaker 1: Smell of blood, always a good sign, the smell of blood, blood, blood.
Speaker 2: Blood, blood, blood, blood, blood blood.
Speaker 1: Matt ducked immediately. That instinct saved his life. As something
Speaker 1: swung through the air above his head. Matt rolled to
Speaker 1: the side, his hand hitting something wet as it touched
Speaker 1: the floor. Murder, he bellowed, murder in the camp, blowy murder.
Speaker 1: Something moved toward him the tent.
Speaker 2: And it just turns out a girl just had her period. Robot. Sorry, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not periods happened?
Speaker 1: Is that the dog?
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured, but stinky it wasn't me.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's the dog.
Speaker 1: What if it was me? I can't smell, you can't.
Speaker 1: Oh it's dug um. That doesn't matter right now, people,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Back to the action. Uh, so there's big fight.
Speaker 1: How's it go?
Speaker 2: I mean, all things considered, all right? Yeah, Like a
Speaker 2: couple of guys died, which was bad, I said, I
Speaker 2: threw stuff at it with air, Yeah, which smart because
Speaker 2: she can't do it like it doesn't it's not affected
Speaker 2: by channeling, right, Yeah, not really? Could you like sweep
Speaker 2: it up an air and drop it off a cliff.
Speaker 1: You can't touch it with weaves.
Speaker 2: Okay, so but you can throw stuff at it. I
Speaker 2: appreciate the ingenuity. Yeah, because throw shit at it? Well
Speaker 2: let's yeah, let's let's you know, can you hit it
Speaker 2: with a plate like let's I think the.
Speaker 1: Best thing to do just at this moment is to
Speaker 1: kind of talk about the goal on because we haven't
Speaker 1: seen it in a very long time. It has been
Speaker 1: a really long time, had.
Speaker 2: A really long time.
Speaker 1: They are immune to the one power.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, we know that in all senses of the word.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and you can't weapons. Do weapons do much?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Not really, not really, So like, what do you do?
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. Acid melt it terminator. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a two one thousand, except it can't disguise itself.
Speaker 1: It just looks really blase, a.
Speaker 2: Like a really boring looking person. It looks like Todd
Speaker 2: from accounting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, your name is Todd and you're an accountant.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about you.
Speaker 2: They'll let us know.
Speaker 1: That's really funny, gorgeous.
Speaker 2: You're so looking. Everybody talks about it. So, okay, what
Speaker 2: do you do, Well, how do we kill it? Bail fire?
Speaker 2: Can you bail fire it? Can you bail fire it?
Speaker 1: Bail fire?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the one power, so you can't bail fire it.
Speaker 2: That sucks. Cannons? Can you canon it?
Speaker 1: You could cut it up into pieces, but I think
Speaker 1: the pieces would just.
Speaker 2: Merge back together. One does style? Could you? Because I
Speaker 2: feel like they got to come up with a way.
Speaker 1: Well, what is the only thing that is ever harmed? One?
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: There is one object Matt luckily has. Oh is it
Speaker 1: the fox head Foxhead medallion? Remind me what the Foxhead
Speaker 1: medallion does?
Speaker 2: By the way, it makes you not able to be
Speaker 2: touched by the One Power.
Speaker 1: That's the same way.
Speaker 2: So it kind of turns Matt into like a Goalam
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Only in so far as he can't be affected by
Speaker 1: the power. Because you remember when they start chucking shit
Speaker 1: at the Goalam in this chapter, it does kind of
Speaker 1: harken back.
Speaker 2: To It's the reason why it can fuck with the
Speaker 2: Goalam because like Golam is technically made by the One Power.
Speaker 1: They are they are shadow spawn. Yeah, so I mean
Speaker 1: they are. This is just some background knowledge. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I was looking on the wiki, there have in history
Speaker 1: ever been six of them.
Speaker 2: Can it be fucked up by the true power?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. That true power is not the
Speaker 1: one power, right, it's.
Speaker 2: A different thing. So can it technically be fucked by that?
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: Like are we gonna have to start using the true
Speaker 2: power a little bit?
Speaker 1: Well, only only one person can do that on Team
Speaker 1: Good it's Morden on Team Good.
Speaker 2: Oha on Team Good.
Speaker 1: Rand. Yeah, however, do you think he's still gonna do
Speaker 1: that now? I'm not always had Jesus moments. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: fuck with it were me, But after after Dragon.
Speaker 2: Mount, I don't think he would do it like Wilson Nilsen,
Speaker 2: But I do think that, like what, I just like
Speaker 2: the phrase thanks, But I think that he might use
Speaker 2: it if like really really necessary because everyone told him
Speaker 2: to bail fire shit either and he's like he's been booby.
Speaker 1: But again, this was all before Dragon Mount, right, this
Speaker 1: is all before Veins of Gold.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. We haven't spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time in that head.
Speaker 1: No, we've how much have we seen him since this
Speaker 1: book started?
Speaker 2: Not a ton like we saw him with the Apple thing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's like kind of it so far.
Speaker 1: He had a meeting with the gwayn oh.
Speaker 2: Right where he was like, he was like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go we're all gonna go break the seal. Cool, cool,
Speaker 2: you have one hour?
Speaker 1: But was it? Was it the ultimatumy old style rand
Speaker 1: or No?
Speaker 2: He was like pretty chill about it. He was hilariously
Speaker 2: chill about it. Honestly. He was like, I know, I
Speaker 2: know you're gonna have an issue. I know I probably
Speaker 2: should have talked to you about this sooner, but this
Speaker 2: is what we're gonna do. Okay, Okay, all right, you got,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty four hours to respond.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a month.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I'm just being silly.
Speaker 1: My other the other thing I really like not to
Speaker 1: talk about other chapters. But the other thing I really
Speaker 1: like about that is at the end he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave now, got it? And they just kind
Speaker 1: of look at each other. Do you remember this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like don't.
Speaker 1: He's like, I do with it. Don't try to make
Speaker 1: me stay because if you do that, I'm.
Speaker 2: Really annoying and I'm gonna have to use force.
Speaker 1: I am going to have to I'm letting you permit
Speaker 1: me to leave. I'm giving you permission to tell me
Speaker 1: I can go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I believe it is going to be annoying.
Speaker 1: But if you don't let me, I will. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: had this whole thing.
Speaker 2: I was telling you about this on the walk. I
Speaker 2: saw this thing the other day where it was like
Speaker 2: having childhood trauma is crazy because when you have to
Speaker 2: the drama like they were, like, my boyfriend asked me,
Speaker 2: what the worst thing could happen is with like confronting
Speaker 2: someone about something that at work. Yeah, And they were like,
Speaker 2: well that they'll yell at me and not let me leave.
Speaker 2: And he was like what that?
Speaker 1: When would what kind of a.
Speaker 2: Never, Like I'd never thought about that, that that would
Speaker 2: be such an unhinged thing for someone to do to
Speaker 2: another adult, is like yell at someone and not allow
Speaker 2: them to leave the premises. But I was like so
Speaker 2: accustomed to that in my head being a problem that
Speaker 2: I had never thought, like, one, why do we think
Speaker 2: that's okay to do to children? Then like that's crazy
Speaker 2: to like trap them in a space and scream at them.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's not it's not, no, it's not. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's a crazy thing to do to a human being.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we have to start thinking about children, and
Speaker 2: it's like human beings. I know that, like obviously if
Speaker 2: they do something fucked up or something, you have to
Speaker 2: talk to them about it and shit, but like you know,
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, that's still like a human person,
Speaker 2: like do it anyway. So I sat there and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, that's true. That would be
Speaker 2: like a fucked up thing to do to a person.
Speaker 2: So like, and you could sue.
Speaker 1: Probably oh probably.
Speaker 2: If they like if they didn't let you.
Speaker 1: Leave, well that is being your will, that is not.
Speaker 2: You could sue.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, so that wouldn't really happen.
Speaker 2: That would be a crazy thing to have happened. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, what is the worst thing
Speaker 2: that would happen?
Speaker 1: Kind of true, Well, you could get fired, I guess.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but like if you were confronting a friend,
Speaker 2: like they might not be your friend anymore. But like
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you did it in a respectful way,
Speaker 2: like odds are things are gonna be fine. So then
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, what am I so scared of?
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Randon Igwayne in that chapter, showing pretty good
Speaker 1: conflict related communication skills, like pretty good the golam terrible
Speaker 1: communications does not communicate at all.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about shadow Spun. None of these fuckers
Speaker 2: have been to fit therapy. None of them have figured
Speaker 2: their shit out.
Speaker 1: My computer made a bunch of beeps.
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to, like talk to someone who
Speaker 2: can't take accountability? It's exhausting.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm at a point where I'm like, I'm not teaching
Speaker 2: another grown adult.
Speaker 1: How you apologize?
Speaker 2: That's fucking nuts.
Speaker 1: That seems fair.
Speaker 2: If you can't apologize in your thirties, that's crazy, that's wild.
Speaker 2: Best of luck too, Okay, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like that's fucking crazy. Like you're fully in control of
Speaker 2: yourself and your faculties, and yes, of course, like the
Speaker 2: shadow exists, and like weird shit happens, but like then
Speaker 2: you own that shit. You don't just go like that
Speaker 2: didn't happen. I don't remember it that way. Oh bullshit, bullshit.
Speaker 2: I've gas lit people before when I was like a
Speaker 2: teenager and didn't know any better, and I knew exactly
Speaker 2: what fucking happened.
Speaker 1: Well, about the golamb.
Speaker 2: So he's gas like gay, keep girl bossing his way
Speaker 2: through camp. He is wait, yeah, he is slaying, sickening,
Speaker 2: and serving his way through camp.
Speaker 1: The golamb is okay, I've designed.
Speaker 2: That the golamb is gay. All right, sure, all right,
Speaker 2: you're on her. Mad resented the court.
Speaker 1: Gay. This will be fun.
Speaker 2: Going this hard for another man.
Speaker 1: Well, he was notably ordered to pursue nine, even Agwayne,
Speaker 1: not note, even Elaine.
Speaker 2: But he lost interest. Went after Matt. Fuck it, bucket,
Speaker 2: I'm after Matt. I'm going after Matt. Killed his situationship,
Speaker 2: who was abusive, very dramatic entrances and exits.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I feel like I'm stereotyping, but I as a
Speaker 2: part of the elegil.
Speaker 1: So I suppose you're allowed.
Speaker 2: I feel personally that the golom is serving all right.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like how Jesus also displayed kind of
Speaker 2: iconically queer behavior because think about it, he gathered all
Speaker 2: of his closest friends together. I saw this. This is
Speaker 2: not from me as an original, but I thought it
Speaker 2: was so brilliant that I have to share. He gathered
Speaker 2: all of his closest friends for a intimate dinner and
Speaker 2: then said one of you has betrayed me, okay, and
Speaker 2: then let them figure out who it was. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I mean that's queer. Yeah, yeah, all of his closest
Speaker 2: guy friends.
Speaker 1: I'll take it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but let's be real. Iconic behavior. Really, one
Speaker 2: of you has betrayed me.
Speaker 1: Well, now I'm just picturing RuPaul saying.
Speaker 2: That exactly, exactly exactly. It's iconic. Think about it.
Speaker 1: How did we get here? I don't know, you said them.
Speaker 2: Ahd, And that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the Goalamb.
Speaker 2: So okay, the Golamb can only.
Speaker 1: Be hurt by the medallion so far that we know.
Speaker 2: Of, which is convenient considering it's chasing the guy medallion.
Speaker 2: So maybe he's just bored of getting to kill people
Speaker 2: without a lot of resistance, and he's like, I want
Speaker 2: to challenge.
Speaker 1: Could be you know, do.
Speaker 2: You remember I could get boring after a while.
Speaker 1: Do you remember who originally found the Golamb? Almost definitely, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was Baltha Melaragna ragon Or is the
Speaker 1: one whom Yeah, they don't live forever. So this one
Speaker 1: was in a station.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it in a box?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was in a box.
Speaker 1: Do you remember who found it? Probably hilarious when you
Speaker 1: consider who, no, the funniest person possible found it? Who
Speaker 1: is the funny? Who is the funniest forsaken?
Speaker 2: Oh Baylaw No Samio, that's the one that's that's funny.
Speaker 1: And miss Samuel, Yes, I miss Samiel.
Speaker 2: Everything, Yes, because we're left with like less and less
Speaker 2: funny for his saken, Like Massana is not funny? Is
Speaker 2: Samiel Massona's only funny because I'm insisting that she's donel.
Speaker 1: No, Samuele's not gay. Samuel's tragically heterosexual.
Speaker 2: Samuel's deeply heterosexual.
Speaker 1: Tragically but like I can say that, but.
Speaker 2: Like insecure, Like an insecure straight man is the worst.
Speaker 1: Because he's six', four but he makes himself look like.
Speaker 2: He said six and he's like constantly talking about how
Speaker 2: he could have gone pro if he hadn't gotten injured in.
Speaker 1: College well he was a.
Speaker 2: QUARTERBACK i, know, yeah believe, Me i'm. Aware this man
Speaker 2: is deeply insecure and makes it everyone else's.
Speaker 1: PROBLEM i fucking Love, Samiel, dude he was so my. Favorite.
Speaker 2: Forsaken massana is just an embittered, academic as Is sammarag
Speaker 2: has a torture. Problem, okay let's go. Through which of
Speaker 2: the forsaken is?
Speaker 1: Queer SAMAROG i just feel, okay It's vibeson if she
Speaker 1: wanted to turn, her no, doubt she's deeply, queer, deeply,
Speaker 1: deeply deeply.
Speaker 2: Queer let's, See, Okay i've got to start from the.
Speaker 2: Beginning Damon dread, Bye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Absolutely morden.
Speaker 2: Bye as, Well, yes yes, too, yes by Man.
Speaker 1: VIBES i Think mordan's a. SEXUAL i think he's as biolistic.
Speaker 1: ASEXUAL i see that as.
Speaker 2: Well that could. Work but in the, show.
Speaker 1: Oh, Bisile, yeah every everybody in the show was bias, fuck.
Speaker 2: Which is what made the show so.
Speaker 1: Good everybody was just, unrepentedly a little, horned still. Pissed
Speaker 1: i'm never not Gonna i'm never not gonna be pissed about.
Speaker 2: That but anyway that by, that it's over. Him, yeah it's,
Speaker 2: fine it's not, fine but, yeah, Okay so who else is?
Speaker 2: There agon or in balthamel agon or deeply? Straight, yeah
Speaker 2: deeply straight in a way WHERE i wouldn't like? Him
Speaker 2: does that make?
Speaker 1: Sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, LIKE i don't have a problem with straight, people
Speaker 2: but some of them really rub it in my.
Speaker 1: FACE i understand it's a ridiculous way to put.
Speaker 2: That they really rub their.
Speaker 1: LIFESTYLE i appreciate your your u reclaiming of.
Speaker 2: That you just don't have to be so obvious about.
Speaker 2: IT i don't want to see.
Speaker 1: It we get. It you're.
Speaker 2: Straight balthamel Is balthall discovered some.
Speaker 1: Things, Yeah balthamel's pan, sexual but like not in a good.
Speaker 2: Way like, listen just because someone is pan doesn't make
Speaker 2: them a good. Person like this is the thing we
Speaker 2: forget is you can be a minority and an oppressed
Speaker 2: class and still suck as a human. Being two things
Speaker 2: can be true at the same. Time Like i've known
Speaker 2: some wonderful people from all walks of. LIFE i also
Speaker 2: have known some really shitty people from all walks of,
Speaker 2: life you know WHAT i. Mean, like here's the, thing
Speaker 2: the real, dream right is that we can dislike someone
Speaker 2: and it has nothing to do with their.
Speaker 1: Identity that's, true.
Speaker 2: You know WHAT i. Mean we're, like you suck with your.
Speaker 2: PERSONALITY i have no problem with any of the ways
Speaker 2: that you live other than that you are shitty in
Speaker 2: a personality. Way and that's when we'll really get to true. Freedom,
Speaker 2: Okay So, okay who else is? There Land fear queer for?
Speaker 1: Sure bye, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah bye yeah bye yeah bye girl Grendel by yeah
Speaker 2: yeah or pan Pan chant yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Mcgetti and we said was queer?
Speaker 2: Lesbian, yeah, SNA i don't. KNOW i Think missana is.
Speaker 1: Heterosexual, no none of, no none of the forsaken women
Speaker 1: as A i was like.
Speaker 2: Thinking like lesbian academic that.
Speaker 1: Could, work you, know, yeah like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Summarog h semmarrog is not capable of like, intimacy, no
Speaker 2: like is there a word For it's like the opposite
Speaker 2: of a. Demisexual it's like a romantic well, maybe but
Speaker 2: like now if you, uninformed, yeah we're straying beyond the
Speaker 2: because like obviously a dominatrix thing obviously has like a sadistic,
Speaker 2: streak but that's not.
Speaker 1: Like, no and not in clearly not a healthy way with.
Speaker 2: Her well, no not even a little. Bit there's no consent. Involved,
Speaker 2: no it's so but like So i'm like they're not
Speaker 2: asex BECAUSE i think they're getting some kind of like
Speaker 2: pleasure from. It the. Sadism, yeah but that's not NECESSARILY. Lgbtq,
Speaker 2: plus that's just like being kind of terrible, yeah being
Speaker 2: more than kind of. TERRIBLE i feel like it's like
Speaker 2: just baguely. Sinister, Yeah like she's just kind of there to.
Speaker 2: Dominate she doesn't really give a shit what what gender
Speaker 2: or like what spectrum you're. On she's just kind of
Speaker 2: there for the.
Speaker 1: TORTURE i, understand you know WHAT i.
Speaker 2: MEAN i don't know what that would be classified as
Speaker 2: probably a, plus probably some kind of.
Speaker 1: Plus, YEAH i think so.
Speaker 2: Some kind of in the plus.
Speaker 1: Category ye who are we? Forget There's BAILAL i think he's. Straight,
Speaker 1: NO i don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't. Know baila's, gay is actually? Gay bailo's,
Speaker 2: Gay and like in a way where it's, like, yeah
Speaker 2: there's just too much, showmanship you.
Speaker 1: Know that's WHAT i was.
Speaker 2: Saying there's too much showmanship and not enough follow. Through
Speaker 2: it's like the problem that the drag community is seeing
Speaker 2: where it's like there's like really good drag queens and
Speaker 2: then there are people that are LIKE i just kind
Speaker 2: of want to get On RuPaul's drag race and be.
Speaker 2: Famous yeah, yeah and it's like that he's he's that. Gay,
Speaker 2: yeah he's LIKE i want to get On RuPaul's drag
Speaker 2: race and be. Famous BUT i don't actually have the
Speaker 2: like the like reps to back it. Up So i'm
Speaker 2: going to be like an early boot From RuPaul's Drag.
Speaker 2: Race i'm cannon fodder And RuPaul's Drag. Race AM i? Wrong,
Speaker 2: No i'm completely right about. That they're LIKE i want
Speaker 2: a fast track to becoming. Famous SO i GUESS i
Speaker 2: will like become a drag queen for a while and
Speaker 2: be good looking enough as a girl that and like
Speaker 2: maybe be like a like lip, sync like learn a
Speaker 2: death drop or, two and Then i'll be, Like I'm
Speaker 2: i'm ready For, RuPaul and it's like you're not ready Room,
Speaker 2: ball because then Fucking sasha is going to show up
Speaker 2: and wipe the absolute floor with every single person that
Speaker 2: was there except for Fuck. Anitra Yeah, Anitra, anitra did
Speaker 2: we forget? Anybody? Uh blthamelagon or. See this is why
Speaker 2: our podcasts are really, long BECAUSE i GET i get
Speaker 2: stuck on like a fucking tangent.
Speaker 1: Uh baylaw miss uh you Know i've fucking named the forsaken.
Speaker 1: Ass oh It's. Modian oh gay, yay.
Speaker 2: The gayest, one the gayest, one the artie boy. Gay i'm,
Speaker 2: sorry and like you can absolutely be an. Artist Like
Speaker 2: i've heard plenty of straight men Play, wonderwall believe, me
Speaker 2: but like this. One, No i'm sorry that that is
Speaker 2: not a. Heterosexual, no, no at most a. Bisexual but
Speaker 2: Like i'm getting.
Speaker 1: Gay, well this has been.
Speaker 2: Enlightning you, know it's fun in a not fun? Way
Speaker 2: is that a lot Of disney, villains like Early disney,
Speaker 2: villains like part of the reason why they're so like,
Speaker 2: that like so like you kind of like dig them
Speaker 2: more than anyone else in the movies is because they're
Speaker 2: all based on like queer archetypes.
Speaker 1: We're talking, about Like, Jaffar.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Yeah ursula was based off of a famous drag.
Speaker 2: Queen oh that's.
Speaker 1: True, no they're all.
Speaker 2: Yesified oh that's really. True of tell me that they're
Speaker 2: not all, yesified like the guy the one with friends
Speaker 2: on the other side From princess and The, frog.
Speaker 1: Or like, Okay, gaston oh, gus.
Speaker 2: Come, on that man is. Gay they're. Gay they're all.
Speaker 2: Gay that's why they're so. Yesified that's why they're. Awesome
Speaker 2: that's why everybody's, like, okay a low key vibe with. Them.
Speaker 1: Though that's, true that's.
Speaker 2: True, yeah not only Was jafar gay the parrot was also.
Speaker 2: Gay iago. Gay they're all. Gay, NO i swear To
Speaker 2: god because Lesbian, like tell, me give me one example
Speaker 2: of a Fucking disney, villain because that was a way
Speaker 2: to get queer representation in and like give the like
Speaker 2: feedback to kids that it wasn't okay to be that.
Speaker 2: Way but then also you were, like but they're kind
Speaker 2: of fabulous, though they're kind of giving their kind of.
Speaker 1: Serving well that tapered off.
Speaker 2: Eventually well, yeah because ever they got called out on it,
Speaker 2: eventually where everybody's, like, hey that's like not, great but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah hold, On i'm trying to think of modern
Speaker 1: contempor more contemper they're all Gay disney. Movies they're all in.
Speaker 2: The eligibility Community disney.
Speaker 1: Feelins oh, god, yeah Oh isma.
Speaker 2: Okay but Also Kronk kronk.
Speaker 1: Gay you, Know kronk is Canonically. Jewish no, WAY i
Speaker 1: did not. Know, yeah hold, on.
Speaker 2: Uh Also isma is also. Gay yeah, yeah Like Kronk
Speaker 2: Kronk krong Is jewish crocs haula. Recipe yeah, wait that's.
Speaker 1: Hilarious kronk Is, jewish which doesn't make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense considering the fact that the movie is set in
Speaker 1: The Aztec.
Speaker 2: Empire i'm pretty sure it's, yeah, yeah, WHATEVER i don't
Speaker 2: giving a.
Speaker 1: FUCK i don't give a shit. EITHER i think it's.
Speaker 1: Hilarious that's. Awesome uh ship they made like a.
Speaker 2: Hole it's, like fuck, it He's. Jewish that's so funny
Speaker 2: they made.
Speaker 1: They made a whole thing in Like kronk's new, groove
Speaker 1: that He's.
Speaker 2: JEWISH i love. That why not fuck It?
Speaker 1: Jish oh not.
Speaker 2: To, Mention, uh who's the guy From Pocahontas? Ratcliffe is
Speaker 2: that right? Gay tell me he's.
Speaker 1: NOT i haven't seen it in a long. Time you
Speaker 1: know WHAT i love.
Speaker 2: About Sean yu From. Mulan somebody pointed this, out AND
Speaker 2: i really love. It when he found out That mulan
Speaker 2: was a, woman he didn't go like a, Girl, ah
Speaker 2: this should be easier. Whatever he immediately just goes the
Speaker 2: soldier from the. Mountain, yeah and like respected her. Regardless was,
Speaker 2: Like i'm gonna kill you no matter what fucking gender you,
Speaker 2: are and that's. Inclusive it's. Fun tell you.
Speaker 1: What, okay we're gonna we're gonna put this one to. Bed,
Speaker 1: no and we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Give me one example of. It not Yasified disney.
Speaker 1: Villain you can't the family And encanto.
Speaker 2: Where they villains?
Speaker 1: Though Really, NO i guess they're Not lois so, yeah
Speaker 1: wait the guy the singer In, encanto not in, conto
Speaker 1: the singer In.
Speaker 2: Cocoa, okay, no come, on YEAH.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, yeah come, on extremely. Flambley give me one.
Speaker 2: EXAMPLE i.
Speaker 1: CAN'T i can't think of one off the top of my.
Speaker 2: HEAD i. Can't it's because it's because they're too. Awesome,
Speaker 2: yeah there's too. Yasify well there you.
Speaker 1: Go tell you.
Speaker 2: What we're here where we get used?
Speaker 1: TO i THINK i think we're going to we are
Speaker 1: we o my, mouse mouse, Mouse, okay we are going
Speaker 1: To uh we're going to keep on keeping on. Here
Speaker 1: i'm just, saying and uh, yeah back and amend. It welcome.
Speaker 1: Back we're here to actually talk about the golamb and
Speaker 1: the fighting, now.
Speaker 2: And i'm, saying we're still at the. Age why did
Speaker 2: you B tq plus.
Speaker 1: Community matt throws himself At they, fight they, fight they,
Speaker 1: fight they, fight they. Fight it's got a. Dagger it
Speaker 1: has killed. Somebody who Is matt worried that it is? Killed?
Speaker 1: Uh oh, Over oliver didn't kill Olver, No, no.
Speaker 2: But we should probably keep an eye on, Him, yeah
Speaker 2: because he wants to kill anyone close To matt and
Speaker 2: that boy is playing games with him all the.
Speaker 1: Time teslin actually kind of saves the day. Here teslin
Speaker 1: does save the. Day teslin comes in clutch and she
Speaker 1: just starts fucking hucking furniture at the. Golamb she should
Speaker 1: very very well.
Speaker 2: Handled, Uh and he's, like, ah, Shit i've been.
Speaker 1: And then the golomb runs. Off, notably he does actually
Speaker 1: meant talks to. It he clips it with the medallion
Speaker 1: and he, goes you didn't have to kill, her burn.
Speaker 2: You you could have left. Her you didn't want, her
Speaker 2: you wanted.
Speaker 1: Me the thing merely grinned its mouth and an awful
Speaker 1: black teeth. TWISTED a bird must, fly a man must.
Speaker 1: BREATHE i must kill. It stalked. Forward, Yes i've been
Speaker 1: told to kill them all to bring you. Out the
Speaker 1: man with the, mustache the aged one who interfered last,
Speaker 1: time the little dark skinned woman who holds your, affection
Speaker 1: all of. Them, okay UNLESS i take you.
Speaker 2: Now calling her the little dark skinned woman feels. Problematic it.
Speaker 1: Is it is a questionable decision on the.
Speaker 2: Goal, oh we don't say that.
Speaker 1: Anymore Grandpa tesla saves the, day and The golomb is, like,
Speaker 1: Well i've been. Discovered now time for me to fuck.
Speaker 1: Off and then Gord run And fergin go it's our
Speaker 1: time to shine and they level their pikes at. It
Speaker 1: how does that?
Speaker 2: Go golamb being simultaneously gay and a boomer.
Speaker 1: Crazy work not, uncommon not a, comment not uncommon, combination.
Speaker 2: Well unfortunately less common than it should.
Speaker 1: Be that's a good. Point so The golomb does what
Speaker 1: to these poor?
Speaker 2: Guys Fucking reagan, Anyway golamb Does, Yeah golomb does what
Speaker 2: to these poor? Guys?
Speaker 1: Umm what's with? Everybody how kills?
Speaker 2: Them eating?
Speaker 1: Them just rips their throats out on the way. BY i,
Speaker 1: mean that's just like a drive by trachy.
Speaker 2: Ectomy she is, unnecessary but he had to have a
Speaker 2: dramatic exit because, again, okay, Uh lopin's.
Speaker 1: Dead very. Sad that sentence would hit very differently in
Speaker 1: The Stormlight, archive but in this Book lopen's, dead we're
Speaker 1: all kind of sad About.
Speaker 2: He's.
Speaker 1: Sad he just got over in The leasian being. Dead
Speaker 1: now he's, dead and a bunch of Red arms And
Speaker 1: mad is, like well this.
Speaker 2: Sucks so you should never get over. Anything Finds, Uh
Speaker 2: oliver feel? Content Where's?
Speaker 1: Oliver?
Speaker 2: Uh he was hanging out with. Them totally Not Jane.
Speaker 1: Farster totally Not Jane, Farrestrider Noel charon doing what? Plan
Speaker 1: snakes and foxes and snakes and. Foxes, okay this.
Speaker 2: Game is a. Clue this game is a. Clue they
Speaker 2: Cannot and he said the only way to win is to.
Speaker 2: Cheat they're gonna. Cheat, Matt, yes. CHEAT i feel like
Speaker 2: they're gonna they gotta figure, out like like a way to.
Speaker 1: Cheat matt. Cheat they gotta cheat Some matt ever cheated
Speaker 1: anything in his.
Speaker 2: Life, well BECAUSE i feel like they gotta that's a,
Speaker 2: Joke well because because what was? It he said, that
Speaker 2: like they have to start in different. Places didn't he
Speaker 2: something like.
Speaker 1: That, no you start at the, outside you go to the,
Speaker 1: middle and then you have to get back out or
Speaker 1: find a way in the into the. Middle you start
Speaker 1: on the, outside you go to the, middle you have
Speaker 1: to get back.
Speaker 2: Out, yeah but if you start on the, outside then you're,
Speaker 2: behind then you can't. Win but if you start in
Speaker 2: the middle and you just have to get to the, outside.
Speaker 1: You start at the, outside you have to get to the,
Speaker 1: middle you have to get back.
Speaker 2: Out, okay why are you repeating that?
Speaker 1: Over, no that's the.
Speaker 2: Rule, yeah but he said the only way to win
Speaker 2: is to. Cheat, yeah so how do you? CHEAT i don't,
Speaker 2: Know go.
Speaker 1: To the, Middle start in the. Middle what's the? Board
Speaker 1: look like a?
Speaker 2: Spiral?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay look at the top down it's the. Circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah what's the circle across section? Of? What what is
Speaker 1: a circle across section of.
Speaker 2: What you mean a cross?
Speaker 1: Section if you lay a bunch of circles on top
Speaker 1: of each, other what does it make a? Tower? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah how do you start in the middle of?
Speaker 2: It sit in the middle of a?
Speaker 1: Tower how can you start in the middle of a
Speaker 1: tower very?
Speaker 2: Carefully, WELL i mean we have teleportation on the. Table.
Speaker 1: Yeah Does finland follow the rules of? Physics, no which
Speaker 1: is why cheating is even more.
Speaker 2: Possible. Eah so you just got to figure out an alternative,
Speaker 2: way because like if WE i feel, like if we
Speaker 2: start at the twisted, doorways, right that's the, Side, like
Speaker 2: that's the, entrance, right and you go straight into the.
Speaker 2: Foyer they know you're.
Speaker 1: There, yeah the twisted doorway. Here, okay so this isn't a,
Speaker 1: Spoiler this is just lower. Background going through the doorways
Speaker 1: means you are bound by the rules of no, fire no,
Speaker 1: iron no.
Speaker 2: Music, Right, well so you got to bring Those.
Speaker 1: Well, No i'm, saying going through the doorway you are
Speaker 1: protected from the fin they can't just kill, you but
Speaker 1: you also have to follow those. Rules if you go
Speaker 1: in Through, genji all bets are.
Speaker 2: Off is? That so how do you go in Through?
Speaker 1: Genji that's a great. Question that's their, plan isn't? That
Speaker 1: the cheating is to go Innswer. GENJI i don't think
Speaker 1: this is a problem for. Me if you go Answer,
Speaker 1: genji they can just fuck you.
Speaker 2: Up, well, yeah they've worn human, skins Like i'm sure
Speaker 2: at some point they've gotten to fuck people up for.
Speaker 1: Funzies, yeah they are allowed to do that if you
Speaker 1: go in Through.
Speaker 2: Genji, okay but then are you allowed to bring in you,
Speaker 2: know your Own spotify? Playlist? Arguably are you allowed to
Speaker 2: bring in you, know your favorite piece of? Jewelry what
Speaker 2: was it fire to strengthen some rusty? Nails what is it,
Speaker 2: fire iron to, strengthen fire to, blind music to, dazzle
Speaker 2: courage to, well courage to, strengthen courage to. Strengthen that's
Speaker 2: iron to bind music to, dazzle fire to blind, whoa
Speaker 2: look at? Me very good from the annals of my.
Speaker 2: Brain very. Good that was crazy from the, center if you,
Speaker 2: will H, okay, WHOA i feel like you've got to
Speaker 2: cheat your? Way who, no? Whoa? What? Well so then
Speaker 2: is going through that way? Cheating?
Speaker 1: Maybe? ANYWAY i guess we'll get there when we get. There,
Speaker 1: uh he's got the medallion on. Now all the time
Speaker 1: he's he gets he gets the. Gang the boys are
Speaker 1: back in town as you're back into he gets the gang.
Speaker 1: Together he's, Like, tom the creature threatened, you and you
Speaker 1: too know it didn't Mention, oliver but it did mention two.
Speaker 1: On tom is, like that doesn't make any fucking. Sense
Speaker 1: it gives a shit about two. On that's not what he,
Speaker 1: Says but that's what you're. SAYING a bunch of guys are.
Speaker 1: Dead golam's been snooping around for a few. Days Apparently
Speaker 1: matt continues to feel guilty About thailand and it's the whole,
Speaker 1: thing and this is what pissed you. Off matt, goes
Speaker 1: we're gonna hunt it and we're gonna kill the bloody. Thing,
Speaker 1: NOW i won't have this thing chasing us all the
Speaker 1: way to The tower Of, genji but cannot be Killed,
Speaker 1: matt anything can be. Killed tesla proved that she could
Speaker 1: still hurt it using the one power if she was.
Speaker 1: Clever we'll have to do something. Similar so they get
Speaker 1: ready to go to in the. Meantime But matt's gonna
Speaker 1: go and sleep in a different inn every single, night probably,
Speaker 1: idea and he's probably gonna have his, bed but he's
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Too definitely a good.
Speaker 1: Idea and they're trying to determine what to do With.
Speaker 1: Olver do you remember what they?
Speaker 2: Are thank you Having Jane fresherder take care of, him
Speaker 2: who totally Not Jane.
Speaker 1: Freshwader no, Whatever, well they try. To they argue that
Speaker 1: they should send him away with the ice to. Die,
Speaker 1: yeah but he's, Like i'm, like, no he's gonna sneak
Speaker 1: out and come back if that, happens.
Speaker 2: TRUE i feel like that's.
Speaker 1: True and then they just decide they're just going to
Speaker 1: keep him with.
Speaker 2: Them well that's probably the safest place for, Him, yeah probably,
Speaker 2: honestly because if they send him away and them knows about,
Speaker 2: it he's gonna go get. Him so you might as
Speaker 2: well just all stay. Together So jolene busts, in how's she?
Speaker 2: DOING i, mean, Okay, well Like jolene comes to, like Thank.
Speaker 1: Matt kind of that Was. Teslin, oh jul.
Speaker 2: It appears to your reports if this creature that is
Speaker 2: chasing you were.
Speaker 1: Accurate And matt is, like could do you have anything to?
Speaker 1: Add not a, thing, REGARDLESS i need to return to
Speaker 1: The White. Tower i'll be leaving. TOMORROW i would like
Speaker 1: to ask if you could lend me some horses for the,
Speaker 1: trip whatever you can. SPARE i will not be. Picky
Speaker 1: did we already do? This teslin came and said thank
Speaker 1: you for your, help And matt, said take some, horses.
Speaker 2: Because that was.
Speaker 1: Nice jolene has now come in, gone all, right fuck,
Speaker 1: You i'm out of. Here CAN i have some? HORSES
Speaker 1: i don't get. Any no nobody in town would sell
Speaker 1: you any. Huh all, Right matt, said at least you
Speaker 1: asked nicely this, time, THOUGH i can see how hard
Speaker 1: it was for. YOU i promised some To tesla already
Speaker 1: you can have some, too and it will be worth
Speaker 1: it to have you bloody women out of my. Hair all,
Speaker 1: right that was very, Nice thank. You, however a word
Speaker 1: of advice considering the company you often. Keep you might
Speaker 1: want to learn to control your. Language, oh he just
Speaker 1: is your FAVOR i get.
Speaker 2: It but LIKE i get that he's being kind of,
Speaker 2: Rude but you are also kind of being.
Speaker 1: Rude considering the COMPANY i keep all too. Often it's bloody.
Speaker 1: AMAZING i don't swear more off with, You. JOLINE i
Speaker 1: need to write a letter to herrayal bloody, Majesty Queen
Speaker 1: elaine the Prim And juline, goes all, right you're gonna
Speaker 1: swear it hurt, too, probably of COURSE i. Am how
Speaker 1: else are you gonna trust it's really for?
Speaker 2: Me that's.
Speaker 1: Funny uh that's the end of chapter. Nine let's talk
Speaker 1: about the golemb a little bit. More let's talk About
Speaker 1: Joline matt a little. Bit maybe maybe, Not maybe we
Speaker 1: don't need to talk About Joline matt, anymore but anything
Speaker 1: else you want to talk. About you just picked up
Speaker 1: a cork with your toe and dropped it and now
Speaker 1: it's on the. Floor, yes beautiful. Cork. Uh so he
Speaker 1: is planning to kill the, golamb and he is planning
Speaker 1: to write To, elaine.
Speaker 2: How are we planning to kill a?
Speaker 1: Golamb how could you kill the?
Speaker 2: Golamb very. CAREFULLY i don't, know sizzle it to, death
Speaker 2: just press the thing into his? Forehead would that be
Speaker 2: enough for the BEST i don't, know BUT i can't
Speaker 2: think of another good way to do. Anything you can't
Speaker 2: really imprison it, Right, well what if he chopped its head,
Speaker 2: off dropped its homes, off chopped its legs, off threw
Speaker 2: them in a bunch of different.
Speaker 1: PLACES i think they just roll back. Together weigh it.
Speaker 1: Down it's real fucking. Strong weighed it down a, Lot Giles,
Speaker 1: cory it.
Speaker 2: Can, okay what else is the medallion? Made what can
Speaker 2: we get another?
Speaker 1: Medallion that would require somebody who could duplicate Tary.
Speaker 2: Angreel what if we go to The? Finn we, go, hey, finn,
Speaker 2: UH i need three? Things One moraine back, right?
Speaker 1: Okay? Two well that again the deals. Thing you have
Speaker 1: to go through the door for.
Speaker 2: That, yeah but we're not doing the. Door, Okay so
Speaker 2: how do we figure out how to so because we
Speaker 2: obviously need another fox?
Speaker 1: Head, yeah but that would require somebody who Knew.
Speaker 2: WELL i was, like maybe that's why we're writing a
Speaker 2: letter To. Elaine make a bunch of, them or make
Speaker 2: a super, One like can we like make a make
Speaker 2: make like a figure out like what it's made, of
Speaker 2: and make like a weapon out of it of some,
Speaker 2: kind maybe like a.
Speaker 1: Scythe, oh so like make it out of a sharp
Speaker 1: metal and hope that it wouldn't it would cause a. Rise, Basically,
Speaker 1: yeah that's an interesting.
Speaker 2: Idea, yeah something good or like a well he's he's
Speaker 2: got that bostaff. Thing everybody always talks a lot about
Speaker 2: how good he is WITH i don't, Know i'm just
Speaker 2: thinking off the top of my. Head i'm, like he's
Speaker 2: got to Make, yeah they got to make a weapon
Speaker 2: so that they can kill the golom with. It so
Speaker 2: if he lets her thoughts around with the Fox head
Speaker 2: medallion for a little while and just poke at, it
Speaker 2: maybe she can make something out of the same material or,
Speaker 2: whatever like figure out what it's made out of or
Speaker 2: how it's, made and then make something else with.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: MAYBE i, mean she knows how to do that with
Speaker 2: a lot of other shit she.
Speaker 1: Has she is kind of a magical.
Speaker 2: Engineer, yeah So i'm, like why not be, like, hey
Speaker 2: can you make like a sword of this so THAT
Speaker 2: i don't get fucked by the, way not a, sword, like,
Speaker 2: well it have to be a spearhead, right because we
Speaker 2: got the schondarray, Right, yeah could we get like the
Speaker 2: other side of the chondraaie to have, like.
Speaker 1: How are you pronouncing? It the chondraraie a shonda. Rye
Speaker 1: that's WHAT i.
Speaker 2: Said you, SAID i said A Shondarrai.
Speaker 1: OKAY i thought you were just saying The.
Speaker 2: Oh i'm JUST i just like clipped it BECAUSE i was.
Speaker 2: Speaking all, good But i'm just. Curious, no you're. FINE
Speaker 2: i know it's the. Chondarraie so the could we get
Speaker 2: the other side to be like a blade that coulde kill?
Speaker 1: Golam, well you couldn't really walk with it. ANYMORE i
Speaker 1: mean it's also a walking. STICK i mean, MAYBE i,
Speaker 1: MEAN I i it's a it's a reasonable assumption that
Speaker 1: if you could make a bar right.
Speaker 2: Nice stuff something that he could carry, around that.
Speaker 1: Is a totally reasonable.
Speaker 2: ASSUMPTION i just that's WHAT i feel like should. Happen
Speaker 2: maybe that's why he had to stay for the golamb,
Speaker 2: yeah like to get to get a weapon to fight,
Speaker 2: one because, otherwise if he were like out on the,
Speaker 2: road that probably would have fucked him up worse. Somehow
Speaker 2: maybe MAYBE i don't. KNOW i THINK i think there's
Speaker 2: a longer game being played here With, Varren like how
Speaker 2: long has he been there at this? Point like a?
Speaker 1: Week? Yeah, ish not terribly. Long.
Speaker 2: YEAH i feel like we're gonna learn later in the
Speaker 2: month why he's.
Speaker 1: There. Yeah what if he gets all the way to
Speaker 1: day thirty and just fucks off and nothing. Happens well
Speaker 1: satisfying is what if this is just A Robert JORDAN
Speaker 1: i needed the timelines to work. Out you, know.
Speaker 2: Here's the. Thing at this point either, WAY i wouldn't be,
Speaker 2: surprised BUT i do feel Like Brandon sanderson is at
Speaker 2: the helm at this. Point BUT i feel like he
Speaker 2: has a lot more to. Prove, Yeah like he doesn't
Speaker 2: have the luxury of getting to, like you, know be,
Speaker 2: like oh that was. Nothing actually he had to keep
Speaker 2: floor beans, though, YEAH i had. To but but here's the.
Speaker 2: Thing here's the. THING i doubt that there's two floor,
Speaker 2: beans like floor beans served a. Purpose as weird as it, WAS.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you'd come to defend floor.
Speaker 2: Beans i'm not defending floor.
Speaker 1: Beans first.
Speaker 2: Stop. Stop you KNOW i hate that more than anyone.
Speaker 1: HERE i.
Speaker 2: Do but here's the. Thing here's the thing from a
Speaker 2: from a plot, perspective there was some there was some
Speaker 2: reason behind the floor beans a little, bit. RIGHT i
Speaker 2: just feel Like brandon doesn't have the luxury of being
Speaker 2: able to be like and that plot point meant nothing probably,
Speaker 2: not you, know like because he hasn't earned that like
Speaker 2: Thing Robert jordan. Has we're Like jordan to really do
Speaker 2: that for the first five. Books that was like later
Speaker 2: on that he was, Like, okay some of this stuff
Speaker 2: is just kind of. Nothing H, yeah like he kind
Speaker 2: of at that point had like a captive audience at that. Point,
Speaker 2: yeah Like, Brandon brandon's still pretty early. Career at this, Point.
Speaker 1: Brandon had written The launtras and Missed BORN i think
Speaker 1: when he started, These, yeah that's not very far in
Speaker 1: oh he'd.
Speaker 2: Written considering how many books he has since.
Speaker 1: Published like two, books three, Maybe.
Speaker 2: So i'm feeling Like i'm feeling like this has to
Speaker 2: go somewhere because this also doesn't Feel robert jordany to.
Speaker 1: Me the time thing the way thirty, Days.
Speaker 2: Oh, well that might Be Robert, jordan BUT i feel
Speaker 2: Like brandon has to make that payoff. Somehow he plus
Speaker 2: like a letter from varn is going to be like,
Speaker 2: Interesting like He's varen's a fun character to play. With
Speaker 2: SO i feel like he's not going to miss the
Speaker 2: opportunity to play with because this is his first, book,
Speaker 2: right no necessary second, book BUT i feel like he's
Speaker 2: not going to miss the opportunity to play With varren some.
Speaker 1: More was the first thing he looked, up you, know
Speaker 1: was Whether varon was good or? Read what Is up With?
Speaker 1: Aaron was the first thing he looked.
Speaker 2: Up it's, Great, yeah of course that'd be my first thing.
Speaker 1: Too there's three, THINGS i, think three things that he
Speaker 1: said he knows that he's not going to tell people
Speaker 1: or he's going to space. Out he did reveal one
Speaker 1: of them two years.
Speaker 2: Ago wait, wait, wait wait What there's a few.
Speaker 1: Like secrets That brandon knows That he's, like, YES i
Speaker 1: know these, things BUT i don't want to tell you
Speaker 1: what they are. Yet. Question but the books are. Done
Speaker 1: YES i. Know but a few years ago there was
Speaker 1: like he did this whole thing where he was, like
Speaker 1: here's a SECRET i happened to, know and he told
Speaker 1: people this, thing and the for the most, part the
Speaker 1: reaction has, Been, oh we're gonna pretend that's not. True
Speaker 1: what is? IT i can't tell. YOU i can tell
Speaker 1: you after we finished the. Books, oh it's it was
Speaker 1: a divisive thing that he. Revealed, Wow i'm.
Speaker 2: Interested, yes Well i'm getting.
Speaker 1: There you are getting, there OBVIOUSLY i. Can't i'm.
Speaker 2: Worried i'm immediately going to be, Like i'm going to
Speaker 2: pretend those own.
Speaker 1: Room you, might, right you. Might, okay it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a reveal where he, WENT i thought people
Speaker 1: would pick up on, this and everyone, went what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you talking? About, Huh, well apparently maybe you'll
Speaker 1: pick up on whatever this thing is when you read to.
Speaker 2: It Maybe i've been known to pick up on stuff
Speaker 2: that people you. Have, yes, Anyway, okay we gotta cheat
Speaker 2: our way Into. Genji i'm going to figure out how
Speaker 2: we're doing. THAT i gotta think about, it. THOUGH i
Speaker 2: Think dread's fucking around with with the people from The.
Speaker 2: North like, otherwise it just doesn't make any, fuck which is.
Speaker 2: Fine otherwise it just doesn't make any fucking. SOUND i
Speaker 2: don't feel like this reveal is going to be that.
Speaker 1: Satisfying The Damon dread.
Speaker 2: One, yeah BECAUSE i can't think of a of a
Speaker 2: reveal that would be satisfying to.
Speaker 1: Me it's either going to be a foregone conclusion or
Speaker 1: a what the fuck is? This, yeah which would you? Prefer?
Speaker 2: Well a foregone conclusion BECAUSE i like being, right that's.
Speaker 2: Fair BUT i don't. KNOW i would like it if
Speaker 2: they surprised. ME i don't, know but like sometimes the
Speaker 2: surprise like doesn't feel. Earned do you know WHAT i?
Speaker 2: Mean SO i kind of would like it to feel Your,
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't, Know i'm down for.
Speaker 1: Whatever very an example of a surprise not feeling, EARNED
Speaker 1: i guess spoilers for whatever you're about to talk, about
Speaker 1: but make it a big. Property you Can't.
Speaker 2: NOW i can't think of anything a surprise not feeling
Speaker 2: earned BECAUSE i tend to forget about them really fast
Speaker 2: IF i don't like how it went, down Because i'm,
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't have room in my head for. Negativity that's.
Speaker 2: Fair surprise it doesn't feel earned in this in this?
Speaker 1: Series, No, no BECAUSE i, LIKE i know some people
Speaker 1: say that The army of The dead In return of
Speaker 1: The king the movie doesn't feel.
Speaker 2: Earned that's that's a good. Example, yeah because they never
Speaker 2: talk about it before and they don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: After it has very little like it just feels like
Speaker 2: a plot. Device HAVE i told you how to The?
Speaker 2: Odyssey what doesn't feel earned in The? Odyssey in the actual, book, yeah,
Speaker 2: okay the the thing that doesn't feel, Well but the
Speaker 2: ending doesn't feel earned when he kills, Everybody, no when
Speaker 2: the relatives of those people him, up they.
Speaker 1: Do zeus comes in and he's justs, okay we're.
Speaker 2: Done, yeah that doesn't feel. Earned where Has zeus been
Speaker 2: all this? Time, well he's completely uninterested up until. Now
Speaker 2: all the book opens.
Speaker 1: With him, saying, Okay ifena go get, him.
Speaker 2: Okay and then he fucks off for the entire, Book, like,
Speaker 2: yeah pretty, much it doesn't feel. Earned do you know
Speaker 2: what the.
Speaker 1: Do you know how the the armies the dead work
Speaker 1: in the, books by the, way it's completely. Different tell.
Speaker 1: Me they go through The Dimald. Road they get to
Speaker 1: this hill And Araic gorn, like you don't see like.
Speaker 1: Anything Araic gorn like talks TO i think he like
Speaker 1: puts his sword in the, ground or he like talks
Speaker 1: to just off a hill to like to the, wind
Speaker 1: and like maybe you see a ghost or, too maybe,
Speaker 1: Not but it's very implied and not shown that anything
Speaker 1: is even. Happening like there's No pirates of The caribbean, ghosts
Speaker 1: there's no. Nothing and then later at The battle Of Pilinar,
Speaker 1: fields the same thing is, happening where the battle is,
Speaker 1: happening and then the tide. Turns the tide, turns the tide,
Speaker 1: turns and then the ships show, up and you, go, oh,
Speaker 1: no we're completely. Fucked but then instead of it being
Speaker 1: an army of green, ghosts men from Dol amroth get
Speaker 1: out because essentially what happens is there's the, pirates The
Speaker 1: corsairs Of umbar coming, up and then the ghosts just scare.
Speaker 1: Them the ghosts appear and scare them so hard they
Speaker 1: jump out of their ships and.
Speaker 2: Drown, yes you've told me.
Speaker 1: This and then the men at Dol amroth get in
Speaker 1: the ships and sail up to.
Speaker 2: Help can't talk about an ISSUE i have Always i'm
Speaker 2: thinking about The odyssey.
Speaker 1: Stuff, okay that's. Fine. Listen i'm comfortable Spoiling. ALI i
Speaker 1: have me ship Because I'm. BABYLON i DIDN'T i didn't
Speaker 1: want to. Mythology, Okay but here's the. Thing the people
Speaker 1: listening to this. PODCAST i have very high confidence basically
Speaker 1: everybody listening to this podcast knows the story of The.
Speaker 1: Odyssey people watching THAT i want to spoil the.
Speaker 2: Odyssey i'm just gonna talk about very well known story
Speaker 2: about the like cassandree About, ifigenia, right And clytemnestra's all
Speaker 2: piste off Because agamemnon killed his Daughter pigenia in order
Speaker 2: to ensure safe. Passage, right good wins or whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck us because men are literally doing the. Most no
Speaker 2: one asked him to do ship, anyway so he was just,
Speaker 2: LIKE i know what to. Do i'm like a fatted
Speaker 2: calf would have also probably been. Acceptable they tried, it all, Right,
Speaker 2: still that's such. Bullshit then clearly you're not meant to
Speaker 2: go sure anyway?
Speaker 1: Anyway what were you gonna we're gonna does? THAT i feel.
Speaker 2: NO i feel justice For clydemnestra because if anyone has
Speaker 2: a fucking reason to kill their fucking husband when he comes,
Speaker 2: home it's her and only to be turned around and
Speaker 2: killed by her son or restes over a dude he
Speaker 2: probably barely fucking, knew because that man had been gone
Speaker 2: fifteen fucking years at that. Point how many? Years ten?
Speaker 2: Years he got home pretty, fast, okay so he hasn't
Speaker 2: seen this man in ten. Years the last thing that
Speaker 2: guy did when he was, home was kill his fucking.
Speaker 1: Sister do? That didn't do that at? Home.
Speaker 2: Okay last thing the guy, did, though was, that like
Speaker 2: was in living memory of those, people was kill his fucking.
Speaker 2: Sister and he's, like and his mom rightfully so kill handed.
Speaker 2: Him is asked for that and killed it the motherfucker
Speaker 2: and took a, lover, which by the, Way i'm on
Speaker 2: her side about. Also. Okay so then right then this
Speaker 2: fucking kid who she raised for the past ten years
Speaker 2: turns around and is, Like i'm not cool with you
Speaker 2: killing my, child killing, father So i'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 2: Back arrestes is a dumb. Ass arrestes is a. Fuckhead
Speaker 2: tell Me i'm, wrong you Will i'm. Sorry things don't
Speaker 2: exactly turn out well for.
Speaker 1: Him, good he's a. Head you know How agamemnon, ends,
Speaker 1: right he? Dies no With, Arrestes what do you mean
Speaker 1: he gets chased away by the. Furies. Good the furies
Speaker 1: show up and start chasing, him as they.
Speaker 2: Should the furies are always. Based tell Me i'm. Wrong
Speaker 2: the furies always know what to. Do we should have
Speaker 2: furies of yourst. Diet, OKAY i would volunteer to be
Speaker 2: a fury and Chase matt around when they're acting like. Bullshit.
Speaker 1: Agamemnon uh, Yeah erestes comes, back Kills, clydemnestra ur reunites
Speaker 1: With electra many years. LATER i haven't read this in a.
Speaker 1: While this is in The Libatian.
Speaker 2: Bearers i'm just Saying i'm On clydemnestra's side. HERE i
Speaker 2: think that she was deeply wronged by both of these.
Speaker 2: Mets she. Was she raised a son who wasn't. Shit,
Speaker 2: like if there's one time where you're, like, yeah you know, what,
Speaker 2: mom he deserved to, die it's. This it's, This, Dad
Speaker 2: i'd be, like thank GOD i wasn't born a. Girl
Speaker 2: what it could have been?
Speaker 1: Me he forgot about the. Humenities, Okay so in The,
Speaker 1: you the third one is about the development of the
Speaker 1: judicial system In athenian. Society orestus is, hunting tormented by the.
Speaker 1: Furies The tree Of goddess Is Da Da DA d D.
Speaker 1: D they relentlessly pursue arrestues the killing of his mother
Speaker 1: through The International Apollo. Arrest he's able to escape them
Speaker 1: for a brief moment while they're asleep Because apolo basically told, him,
Speaker 1: hey go kill your.
Speaker 2: Mom the Escape i'd be, like why's ghost comes to
Speaker 2: wake up the furies to obtain justice on her son
Speaker 2: arrestees for killing, her which sounds like she also needs
Speaker 2: to get justice On apollo for Suggesting.
Speaker 1: Arrestes pleads to the Goddess athena her. Help she responds
Speaker 1: by setting up a trial for him In. Athens oh my,
Speaker 1: God orestes was a trial dummy By, athena to said
Speaker 1: the first courtroom. Trial after the trial comes to, end
Speaker 1: the votes are, Tied athena cast the deciding vote determines
Speaker 1: arrestus will not be. Killed this does not sit last your,
Speaker 1: furies But athena eventually persuades them to accept the. Decision
Speaker 1: instead of violently retaliating against, wrongdoers they become a constructive
Speaker 1: force of vigilance In. Athens she then changes their names
Speaker 1: from the furies to The, humenities which means the gracious.
Speaker 1: Ones athena then rules all trials must henceforth be settled
Speaker 1: in court rather than being carried out. Personally that's. Cool,
Speaker 1: no that's actually that's cool because they that this is
Speaker 1: because The. Oristaia the whole thing of The orestaya is
Speaker 1: he kills, her and then she kills him because he killed,
Speaker 1: her and then he kills her because she killed, him
Speaker 1: because he killed, her and then the furies are gonna
Speaker 1: kill him because he killed, her because she killed him
Speaker 1: because he killed, Her and Then athena is, like what
Speaker 1: if instead we had to.
Speaker 2: Try this family On Jerry Springer, Frankly, yeah because.
Speaker 1: Well let's, See.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that was kind of, Bullshit like because,
Speaker 2: listen if there was one person THAT i think gets
Speaker 2: a pass forgetting to murder, somebody it's a. MOTHER i,
Speaker 2: THINK i think who his child was sacrificed for a
Speaker 2: bullshit fucking reason by the person who she's married.
Speaker 1: TO i Think clydemnestra does get a. Pass but here's my,
Speaker 1: question how do you feel About? Hamlet what do.
Speaker 2: You, mean like him killing Freaking claudius.
Speaker 1: And indirectly causing the death of his.
Speaker 2: MOTHER i think he gets a pass for that. One
Speaker 2: Not polonius, Though, no that one was. Bullshit but like For,
Speaker 2: claudius you don't want to get, killed don't kill. Somebody
Speaker 2: that's kind of my, Vibe.
Speaker 1: Okay but if you don't want to get, killed don't kill.
Speaker 1: Somebody why does that not apply To clydemnestra.
Speaker 2: Because he killed her baby, first and she probably would
Speaker 2: have been okay With she was, like she was, like
Speaker 2: you know, What i'm okay with potentially getting killed for this.
Speaker 2: One And i'm, like who are We it's just like
Speaker 2: it's just bullshit that it was her own.
Speaker 1: Son how do we feel About?
Speaker 2: Medea, oh that was fucked. Up that was fucked. Up
Speaker 2: she killed those babies for no, reason Like jason was
Speaker 2: a cheating. Asshole but we we all know that the
Speaker 2: answer is not they kill kill your. Kids that's we
Speaker 2: know that's not the. Answer we know what the answer
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 1: One throughout all three of these of these tragedies is
Speaker 1: don't kill your.
Speaker 2: Kids do not kill your. Kids that's a terrible. Idea
Speaker 2: this podcast is against. Infanticide and we're not afraid.
Speaker 1: To come out What i'm. Saying all cheers to that we.
Speaker 2: Are we are not here for. It like there's like
Speaker 2: a disturbing and weird amount Of greek tragedies that have
Speaker 2: to do with killing. Kids And i'm, like let's, not let's,
Speaker 2: not let's not do. That what are the ones in
Speaker 2: full of?
Speaker 1: Killings there's a, ton.
Speaker 2: There's a ton like that woman who like who had
Speaker 2: like all those, kids And artemis That apollo killed all
Speaker 2: those kids because she was like talking shit about the
Speaker 2: fact that the other lady only had twins and she
Speaker 2: had like fourteen fucking, kids and so they were, Like
Speaker 2: i'm gonna kill all your, kids and then she cried
Speaker 2: so much she became like a waterfall or some.
Speaker 1: SHIT i don't remember this. One, yeah, Oh Artemist apollo
Speaker 1: Killing niobe's, Children, Naobi oh, WOW i forgot about this.
Speaker 2: One, yeah she was talking shit and then they were,
Speaker 2: like you know what we're gonna. Do in, Response we're
Speaker 2: gonna kill all your, kids which is. Crazy there was
Speaker 2: like fourteen fucking. Kids that's too. Many just kill her,
Speaker 2: instead like what, yeah oh twenty, kids that's too.
Speaker 1: Many twelve to. Twenty, yeah but, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then she cried or. Something she cried so.
Speaker 1: Much oh It's hubris, Again, allio it's.
Speaker 2: Always fucking well what did she?
Speaker 1: Become, Uh?
Speaker 2: Niobi, yeah she became like a. Thing let's sa they
Speaker 2: turned her into something because you wouldn't stop. Crying i'm telling.
Speaker 2: You Was astianax getting thrown off the fucking.
Speaker 1: Wall, god of, course ASTIAN i forgot about.
Speaker 2: A, Yeah i'm not done. Either fucking A, well this
Speaker 2: one wasn't in, fantaside but it was. Attempted they threw
Speaker 2: A festus as an infant From Mount olympus because he was.
Speaker 1: Deformed yeah that. Did, yeah let me.
Speaker 2: See i'm not even. Done i'm not even. Done but
Speaker 2: these aren't, plays he, said plays Plays, NO i said, Stories.
Speaker 1: Oh, Stories well, SURE i don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i can't remember WHAT i, said but, okay Askedian, axe,
Speaker 2: like let's not forget fucking Of. Pijania there's. More there's
Speaker 2: a lot of baby killing In greek. Tragedies they were
Speaker 2: killing everybody and attempts to kill. Babies hara was trying
Speaker 2: to kill every baby That zeus. Had they had to
Speaker 2: hide every baby from.
Speaker 1: Her that didn't work out so good for.
Speaker 2: Her, yeah they had hide every baby from. Her there were,
Speaker 2: more but those are WHAT i.
Speaker 1: Have that's. Enough that's An you, KNOW i really Studied
Speaker 1: greek plays a lot in. College there's. More there's my
Speaker 1: favorite one is Uh, philiptitis which is just a guy
Speaker 1: Hates odysseus because he like abandoned him on an. Island
Speaker 1: was he super?
Speaker 2: Creepy didn't he like chase a bunch of nymphs around
Speaker 2: and they had to turn into trees just to get
Speaker 2: away from them because men can't take A, no was that?
Speaker 1: Him? NO i don't think. So was That? Pan that
Speaker 1: sounds Like? Pan Philip tities was just a. Dude he's
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's a satyr In, Oh hercules killed
Speaker 1: all his.
Speaker 2: Kids oh he did.
Speaker 1: Twice, yeah That's harr's fault both, TIMES i, know because
Speaker 1: she was fucked. Up parah made him go nuts and
Speaker 1: murder his wife and children twice.
Speaker 2: After the first. TIME i would not get married. Again
Speaker 2: who is marrying this man after he did?
Speaker 1: That he's really.
Speaker 2: HOT i don't. Care philikettes he had a god, women
Speaker 2: we gotta do. Better, oh he got more.
Speaker 1: Chances he gets spit by a snake and then the
Speaker 1: snake bite smells really, BAD i. Think and then they
Speaker 1: abandon him on this island and he gets really pissed
Speaker 1: off Because odysseus, says, yeah let's fucking leave this guy
Speaker 1: on this. Island he gets really, mad but he has
Speaker 1: a cool bow and, arrow and so they need to
Speaker 1: go get the bow and, arrow and it Is he's, like, okay,
Speaker 1: shit we got to figure out how to get the
Speaker 1: bow and arrow back from this.
Speaker 2: Guy and then there was all the sacrificing of the
Speaker 2: young people to the minute tar. H well that was
Speaker 2: that was that was a Crete, Yeah i'm, saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anyway i'm sorry that we've.
Speaker 2: We've got killing young people.
Speaker 1: KILLING i have no qualms about going this far. Field
Speaker 1: this was a good chapter and that go. ALONG i
Speaker 1: don't even know HOW i got. Here how DO i
Speaker 1: get on?
Speaker 2: Class? OH i was just pissed off about. THAT i
Speaker 2: JUST i just continuously think that that's such. Bullshit, no it. Is,
Speaker 2: oh and then we of course, Media, YEAH I, SMA i,
Speaker 2: know But i'm just bringing her up Because jason fucked someone,
Speaker 2: else which, NO i was messed.
Speaker 1: Up jason, said, Hey i'm leaving you for someone. Else,
Speaker 1: Okay i'm not defending her decision to kill her.
Speaker 2: That he wasn't fucking her on the.
Speaker 1: Side i'm not defending her decision to kill her. CHILDREN
Speaker 1: i will also, say don't marry a witch have multiple
Speaker 1: children with, her and then Say i'm abandoning.
Speaker 2: You, well that's also that's also, Stupid like don't don't
Speaker 2: cheat on a. Witch that's a terrible. Idea don't marry
Speaker 2: a witch and then cheat on. Her you better be
Speaker 2: sure that you're going to be with that woman for
Speaker 2: the rest of your. Life don't fuck her. Out you
Speaker 2: will find, out especially in The greek.
Speaker 1: Times the episode title is going to be don't marry
Speaker 1: a witch and people are going to be so.
Speaker 2: Confused well because you're married.
Speaker 1: Anyway uh get married to a spooky.
Speaker 2: Girl, wait, okay so NOW i feel like there's more.
Speaker 1: Stories, well well we'll think about that the. Dissertation i'm
Speaker 1: gonna upload this real. Quick thanks for listening. Everybody we
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Speaker 1: a lot other than that at anything, Else sally.
Speaker 2: Justice For, quidemnestra like for, real that's such.
Speaker 1: Bullshit thanks for listening, Everyone bye bye no