Speaker 1: Hey, guys, what's up.
Speaker 2: I'm Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked
Speaker 2: and Grim, a true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I brain farted, my bad. Yeah, what's up, guys?
Speaker 1: How's it going? Welcome, Welcome to Wicked and Grim.
Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got one hell of a case today. I
Speaker 1: thought it was very suiting for Halloween coming out up.
Speaker 2: So I just found out what it was. What it
Speaker 2: is five minutes ago. I'm pumped.
Speaker 1: Well, I put off researching really far this time again.
Speaker 1: I got home from work and I've been just researching
Speaker 1: like crazy. Yeah, and now we.
Speaker 2: Have Maybe this might be the latest.
Speaker 1: I think so, because we have less than two hours
Speaker 1: before I has to go live and we're recording right now.
Speaker 2: So it broke your own record, I think I did.
Speaker 1: But what else? We got lots to drop? We got
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Speaker 1: to bring up my list because if you guys didn't know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you already do because we've said it a
Speaker 1: couple times before we didn't stay on social media yet,
Speaker 1: so we still don't do that.
Speaker 2: We need to do a post.
Speaker 1: We have a total of twenty three patrons now over
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Speaker 1: all behind the scenes stuff Drunk, Wicked and Grim, which
Speaker 1: is coming up next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're recording it this.
Speaker 1: Weekend and that's only available to patrons, so if you
Speaker 1: want to catch that, which I think we should do
Speaker 1: a video for it. We should do an actual like video.
Speaker 2: I think no, maybe next time. I think it's just
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Speaker 1: We're doing. Have to look at us, Yeah, they do.
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Speaker 2: I actually didn't know.
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Speaker 1: and our little pre recording to each episode when we're
Speaker 1: testing our mics and stuff, we a little bit of
Speaker 1: banter going that we post that there too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so no it's weird shit. Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 2: I'm going to do my joke.
Speaker 1: Okay, do your joke.
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to do a joke like every time,
Speaker 2: but someone actually submitted a joke, so I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: not freaking do a joke again. So this is Katie
Speaker 2: from She's from What the Psychology? Are You Ready?
Speaker 1: Which is another podcast.
Speaker 2: It's another podcast. It's another podcast. I think we've actually
Speaker 2: put it. We shutted it out on our stories or
Speaker 2: something before. But she's awesome, and the joke that she
Speaker 2: submitted it goes. You probably know the answer, but so
Speaker 2: just don't say we're going to give them a minute
Speaker 2: after I read okay, okay, why did the skeleton go
Speaker 2: to the movies alone?
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know. Do tell why Why.
Speaker 2: Would they have gone to the movies alone? Because he
Speaker 2: had nobody to go with? Oh to do?
Speaker 1: Wow? What do you call a man with no body
Speaker 1: and no nose?
Speaker 3: Nobody?
Speaker 1: No nos, nobody knows?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks Katie, that's cool.
Speaker 1: That was awesome.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Do you have any other bombs you get to drop?
Speaker 1: Of course, Halloween's coming out Halloween week. Tell us what's
Speaker 1: what's happening the down low.
Speaker 2: Because we've dropped it a little bit before. But anyway,
Speaker 2: it starts next Monday, on the twenty fifth. That would
Speaker 2: be this. I don't know this is coming out on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: It starts on the following Monday, so the twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: and it's literally seven days of us putting some cool
Speaker 2: shit out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven days, seven straight days, So.
Speaker 2: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 1: All epic Halloween stuff.
Speaker 2: So and they might not be like full episodes, but
Speaker 2: some might just be minis, just like fun little things
Speaker 2: to help celebrate Halloween.
Speaker 1: We're not too concerned with the length on those episodes.
Speaker 1: It's just going to be what it is and hopefully
Speaker 1: you guys enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 1: I've got some cool ones. I'm starting out with Robert
Speaker 1: the Doll. I've dropped that set of Halloween. So that's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite paranormal cases.
Speaker 2: Like ever, so to someone in here is obsessed with Halloween, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder who it is this guy right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just a tiny bit obsessed a little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, So are you ready for this case?
Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent ready.
Speaker 1: I don't think you are. This is this is Craig Cray. Really,
Speaker 1: he's fucking Craig Cray. Yo.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Am I gonna like it or dislike it?
Speaker 1: Well, you'll dislike it. I don't know if anyone should
Speaker 1: technically like this, you know what I mean? But like
Speaker 1: you may enjoy the story.
Speaker 2: It's a good story, but I like a good story.
Speaker 1: This dude is fucking twisted. He did a lot of shit, okay,
Speaker 1: and he is known as the candy Man.
Speaker 2: The candy Man.
Speaker 1: The candy Man is.
Speaker 2: Not an awqua song? But is it is the Candy
Speaker 2: Man an aqua song.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I could be getting that wrong anyway,
Speaker 1: carry on, sorry, and all I can think of is
Speaker 1: cartoon heroes and Doctor Jones it was the only and
Speaker 1: Barbie Girl. Maybe it is. Maybe it's a song. Anyways,
Speaker 1: while you're looking it up, I'm going to start here. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Fort Wayne, Indiana born on Christmas Eve of nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty nine. By the way, he was the first child
Speaker 1: of Arnold Edwin Coral and Mary Robinson. Dean Coral grew
Speaker 1: up and became a candy man.
Speaker 2: It's called Lollipop.
Speaker 1: Lollipop Okay, go yeah, okay. So the home that Dean
Speaker 1: kind of grew up in wasn't the most ideal household.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a combative home. His parents quarreled constantly.
Speaker 1: They were actually divorced while Coral was still an infant.
Speaker 1: Sorry I had his last name there, well, Dean Coral
Speaker 1: was still an infant. Yeah, and then they remarried after
Speaker 1: World War tea war te wow, I am fucking up
Speaker 1: royally today World War two, but Dean's father provided no
Speaker 1: stabilizing influence, regarding his children with like thinly veiled distaste
Speaker 1: sort of thing. It's just like whatever, They're just things mostly.
Speaker 2: So that sounds nice, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he had resorts like really harsh punishments for like
Speaker 1: the smallest things, which was like total douche move. So
Speaker 1: so anyways, when the couple ended up separating for the
Speaker 1: second time, This was when Dean was seven and his
Speaker 1: youngest brother, Stanley, moved with him and his mother to Houston.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: They were left with a series of sitters, you know,
Speaker 1: babysitters taken over and watching them while their mom was
Speaker 1: working to try and support the family on their own.
Speaker 1: Deans Dean seemed to adjust to the change, doing well
Speaker 1: in school, described by his teachers as polite, well behaved. However,
Speaker 1: he ended up developed sorry, just like brain farted for
Speaker 1: a second. He ended up developing rheumatic fever, which left
Speaker 1: him with like a heart condition, resulting in frequent absences
Speaker 1: from school. Okay, so he seemed to welcome the change
Speaker 1: pretty well. When his mother actually remarried to a traveling
Speaker 1: clock salesman named Jake West, Oh fun the name or
Speaker 1: the job.
Speaker 2: The job. I don't know why you want to be
Speaker 2: a traveling clock, really, I feel like that be super fun.
Speaker 1: Go sell some clocks and watches. Yeah, and together they
Speaker 1: ended up having a third child.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 1: Eventually the whole family had moved to Vedoor, Texas, where
Speaker 1: they opened a candy making business named Pecan Price, and
Speaker 1: soon it expanded to become their livelihood. There, Dean and
Speaker 1: his brother Stanley began to work part time making candy,
Speaker 1: and Dean was generous with samples, handing it out to
Speaker 1: local kids as he sought to win new friends.
Speaker 2: So this is a Texas case.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: We've done a lot of Texas. We had in the
Speaker 2: last few Hey, you guys.
Speaker 1: Spawned some weird people who do some fucked up shit.
Speaker 2: I feel like out of the last four, I think
Speaker 2: three of them have been Texas.
Speaker 1: Really. I did this one specifically because Candy Man and
Speaker 1: Halloween that's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because doctor Death was and then the yogurt
Speaker 2: chop murders.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you're right. Yeah, we're gonna have to steer clear,
Speaker 1: steer clean.
Speaker 2: We'll give Texas a little break after this.
Speaker 1: We're coming down on your heart. Okay, So Following Dean's
Speaker 1: graduation in the summer of nineteen fifty eight, the family
Speaker 1: moved to Houston and open shop for their candy business.
Speaker 1: So it was rather than just like making it in
Speaker 1: like a warehouse or whatever the situation was, they actually
Speaker 1: at a storefront.
Speaker 2: Now cool.
Speaker 1: However, Dean's mother's happy new marriage began to face a
Speaker 1: little bit of difficulties in nineteen sixty two, and then
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three, the marriage fell apart and she
Speaker 1: was once again divorced. Dang so Mary, which Dean's mom
Speaker 1: decided that she would open her own candy business or
Speaker 1: old candy company and made and made Dean vice president.
Speaker 1: Which I just want to throw this out there. This
Speaker 1: is a fucking boss move. She's either like, you know,
Speaker 1: like fuck you in this divorce thing. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: over the candy monopoly. Now I'm gonna do better. It's
Speaker 1: just like, I don't almost that a spike sort of thing,
Speaker 1: like a big old fuck you to her ex husband.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, it's kind of like dick move, but boss
Speaker 1: moves like you go girl all at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a combination isn't it.
Speaker 1: It is so the same same year she opened the shop,
Speaker 1: Though one of the employees, who was a teenage boy,
Speaker 1: complained about Dean making sexual advances towards him. She ignored
Speaker 1: the accusations, however, and simply just fired the boy. Okay,
Speaker 1: now this might be key here. Maybe this shows that
Speaker 1: she turned a blind i to her son and his
Speaker 1: odd behaviors earlier in life. It's kind of like kind
Speaker 1: of two things here. It could be either she loved
Speaker 1: her son and was just blind to the thing that
Speaker 1: he was doing, or she was in denial being like, nope,
Speaker 1: not my son, now, my precious little boy. You know,
Speaker 1: he would never do that except so it could be
Speaker 1: one of those two things, whether she just didn't see
Speaker 1: it or was in denial about it. Okay, either way,
Speaker 1: I mean, could be telling a little bit of his
Speaker 1: his future and how he was up his upbringing sort
Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know, or maybe I'm just reading
Speaker 1: too far into it. Hard to say anyways. A year later,
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four, despite his heart condition, Dean was
Speaker 1: drafted into the US military and he was assigned to
Speaker 1: Fort Polk, Lose, Louisiana for a ten month training regiment.
Speaker 1: I need water.
Speaker 2: I have some deal. Oh please, it's just like a
Speaker 2: water bottle.
Speaker 1: Please do please do so for a ten month training
Speaker 1: regiment while I can't talk. While there, he openly discovered
Speaker 1: his homosexuality and had his first sexual relations. Wow, okay,
Speaker 1: talk for a second. I gotta take a.
Speaker 2: Step out of your pink water bottle. Yep, suits yeah,
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm still in sober October, so I can't have a
Speaker 1: beer right now. I know.
Speaker 2: Wow, look at you, you're actually doing it amazing, Thank you,
Speaker 2: like well done. And I'm drinking less only because I
Speaker 2: just like you, don't I don't know. I guess I
Speaker 2: don't tend to drink alone.
Speaker 1: Fair fair Okay. So, ten months into his service, Dean
Speaker 1: would be successful in an application for a quote unquote
Speaker 1: hardship discharge after explaining that he needed to leave to
Speaker 1: help his mom at the.
Speaker 2: Store, the candy store, candy shop.
Speaker 1: So he was honorably discharged, and for several more years,
Speaker 1: Dean continued to work at the candy shop and would
Speaker 1: continue to make advances towards male employees. He also continued
Speaker 1: his habit of handing out extra samples to kids as
Speaker 1: he continued his work, earning him the infamous name the candy.
Speaker 2: Man, the candy man because he liked to give extra samples.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd hand out candy and he was doing he
Speaker 1: was giving out those samples to befriend the kids. Right.
Speaker 1: It started out when they were his age, But as
Speaker 1: he's getting older, he's still giving out the samples to
Speaker 1: these kids, befriending these little kids.
Speaker 2: Is this some terrible foreshadowing?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Fuck, yeah, oh god.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So in the back of the business, Dean ended up
Speaker 1: bringing in a pool table where employees and friends could
Speaker 1: hang out. Many of the teenage boys Deaton was befriending
Speaker 1: through the candy business didn't really have much to speak
Speaker 1: of for a place to go, as many were runaways
Speaker 1: or troubled youth, so it became a regular hangout. Dean
Speaker 1: was said to be openly and obviously flirtatious with many
Speaker 1: of the boys.
Speaker 2: And I'm assuming they were like underage boys.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, to put into perspective here, we're getting into
Speaker 1: one particular case. In nineteen sixty seven, Dean met twelve
Speaker 1: year old David Owen Brooks through the shop and its hangout.
Speaker 1: The two quickly became close friends. But like I said,
Speaker 1: David's twelve and Dean at this time is twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just gonna be like how old.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, he's almost thirty.
Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, So that's I mean, if it was just
Speaker 2: kind of like a big brother, like because you know,
Speaker 2: there's that program and stuff, and you're really kind of
Speaker 2: mentoring and just like guiding this person, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like it's well, it's that well.
Speaker 1: The two would spend a lot of time together, doing
Speaker 1: various things like trips and such, and through it all,
Speaker 1: David like admired Dean, looking up to him to the
Speaker 1: point of like considering him a substitute father. Okay, because
Speaker 1: a lot remember a lot of these kids are you know,
Speaker 1: trouble used and that sort of thing. So I'm sure
Speaker 1: he didn't really have a father figure. So to David,
Speaker 1: Dean was that father figure.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: However, the relationship took a bit of a darker turn
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine. Over the course of the past
Speaker 1: two years, Dean groomed David and steadily built his trust.
Speaker 1: Then Dean bribed and paid David to perform oral sex.
Speaker 2: So okay, Okay, we went there.
Speaker 1: We went there. Yeah, there are reports that this happened
Speaker 1: multiple times, always with a bribe as means to have
Speaker 1: David keep quiet about it. I really want to say
Speaker 1: it as well. I didn't want to say. As I
Speaker 1: was typing that sentence, I was like, always as a
Speaker 1: bribe as means to keep David's mouth shut. But I
Speaker 1: was like, no, that doesn't quite work for what he's
Speaker 1: bribing him for.
Speaker 2: So then.
Speaker 1: It didn't work, so I changed it to keep quiet
Speaker 1: about Sorry. It just that's how I was writing it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, that doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2: These poor boys are looking up to him and he's
Speaker 2: just like totally taken advantage definitely, and like so they're
Speaker 2: thinking he's this awesome dude and just wants to hang
Speaker 2: out and help them, and he's just not it has
Speaker 2: does not have good intentions.
Speaker 1: Yes, although he is openly flirtatious with a lot of them,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that a lot of them are aware
Speaker 1: of that and they're like pretty leary of them. But
Speaker 1: some of them maybe.
Speaker 2: They just desperately want someone like to guide them and
Speaker 2: beats have someone to look up to though yep.
Speaker 1: So oh, anyways, not long after the Coral Candy Company
Speaker 1: closed its doors, Dean moved on to get another job.
Speaker 1: He was doing testing electrical relay systems out of Houston
Speaker 1: Lighting and Power Company, which sounds like a pretty dope job.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can get some good money out of that.
Speaker 1: But in nineteen sixty nine, when David turned thirty, he
Speaker 1: seemed to undergo a sudden shift in personality, becoming very
Speaker 1: hyper sensitive and glum and kind of darker and sadder,
Speaker 1: kind of sort of thing.
Speaker 2: It's not good.
Speaker 1: He continued to spend his time with teenage boys like David,
Speaker 1: and he passed out free candy all around.
Speaker 2: Oh so, even though he doesn't have this business, he's
Speaker 2: still all about the candy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he still passed out candy.
Speaker 2: Okay, that just seems like creepy now, hey, well it's
Speaker 2: kind of his thing, a candy man, right yeah.
Speaker 1: Not only that, he would also host glue and paint
Speaker 1: sniffing parties at his apartment for these boys.
Speaker 2: That's a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeahuf huff the fumes get high. Really yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: Like I said, he kind of shifting his personality a
Speaker 1: little bit darker.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no kidding. I liked it when he was
Speaker 2: just handing out candy when he actually had a candy
Speaker 2: store though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now he's just tougher. He's huffing fumes handing
Speaker 1: out candy in his apartment to kids.
Speaker 2: That's like just creeper. Oh, like the creep radar.
Speaker 1: Is just just going off.
Speaker 2: Now it's like at the very top now, like it's
Speaker 2: it's like it can't go much further. Yeah, it probably
Speaker 2: is going to though.
Speaker 1: All right, well let's keep going. So at the same time,
Speaker 1: he displayed a bit more of a sadistic streak leaning
Speaker 1: towards bondage kinks in his sexual relationships with these young
Speaker 1: men and boys.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: On September twenty fifth, nineteen seventy, Dean picked up a
Speaker 1: hitchhiker by the name of Jeffrey Conan, who was an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old student at the University of Texas. Now,
Speaker 1: do you have any idea where this is going?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that he's I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 1: This is a classic don't go hitchhiking because Dean didn't
Speaker 1: take Jeffrey to where he was looking to go. Yeah, Instead,
Speaker 1: Dean abducted him and Jeffrey's body was later found on
Speaker 1: August tenth, nineteen seventy three, buried on a nearby high
Speaker 1: island beach in Texas.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, Okay, I thought that maybe he would just
Speaker 2: like have raped him or something and not had actually
Speaker 2: killed him.
Speaker 1: Well, he was found under a large rock and was
Speaker 1: covered in a layer of lime, wrapped in plastic, naked
Speaker 1: and bound hand, bound hands and feet with nylon cord,
Speaker 1: suggesting that he had been violated. His body showed that
Speaker 1: he had been strangled to death by hand, and a
Speaker 1: cloth gag was in his mouth.
Speaker 2: Oh geez.
Speaker 1: So it was certainly a rough way to go, needless to.
Speaker 2: Say, Yeah, I know, hitchhiking, Like I know, some people
Speaker 2: are just they need it or whatever, right, but gosh,
Speaker 2: it just puts you in such a dangerous position. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is the amount of times you hear about hit
Speaker 2: going wrong that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy scary. So around the same time of
Speaker 1: this incident with Jeffrey, in nineteen seventy David walked in
Speaker 1: on Dean in the middle of raping two teenage boys,
Speaker 1: Holy shit, who he had bound and strapped to a
Speaker 1: quote unquote torture board in his bedroom. Dean somehow managed
Speaker 1: to convince David not to say a word through years
Speaker 1: of building the trust, or maybe because David was promised
Speaker 1: a carr in return for his silence.
Speaker 2: Holy car is kind of a big deal. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: bad though, So David accepted the terms.
Speaker 1: He accepted the offer and kept his mouth shut. Dean
Speaker 1: went on to continue to sexually assault the boys and
Speaker 1: murdering them shortly after.
Speaker 2: What like, really, yeap, holy, what's with him? Okay, what's
Speaker 2: with them? Murdering them after? That's new level?
Speaker 1: That's it's his thing.
Speaker 2: This guy's nasty.
Speaker 1: Oh he nasty.
Speaker 2: He's a nasty malfo.
Speaker 1: So Dean bought David a green Chevrolet Corvette just like you.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't even think I could accept
Speaker 2: that gift.
Speaker 1: Right, like morally, So you can just see how that
Speaker 1: grooming has paid off for him over the years. That
Speaker 1: trust he built up with David, the manipulation he had,
Speaker 1: over the power he had.
Speaker 2: But then, in all honesty would have been he even
Speaker 2: been able to stop him from murdering those people too.
Speaker 1: I mean he could fucking scream run for police or something, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, I'll buy you a car, just
Speaker 1: leave the room and don't say anything.
Speaker 2: Okay, he probably would have got murdered himself too.
Speaker 1: Well if he just said okay, yeah, sure, and then
Speaker 1: walked out of the room and then fucking ran.
Speaker 2: For police, they might have still got murdered.
Speaker 1: They might have still got murdered.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that it would have stopped there.
Speaker 1: It would have stopped there, or could have stopped there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and as you're about to find out, this goes a
Speaker 1: lot farther.
Speaker 2: It doesn't stop it. Yeah, and this guy is driving
Speaker 2: around in his little.
Speaker 1: Little green Corvette. Wow, So how it did continue? Dean
Speaker 1: offered something to David, something else. He said he would
Speaker 1: give him two hundred dollars for any boy he could
Speaker 1: bring to Dean's apartment. No, Blue, are these boys to
Speaker 1: my apartment? And I will give you two hundred bucks,
Speaker 1: which is approximately fourteen hundred dollars in today's economy, like
Speaker 1: a week?
Speaker 2: You mean sorry, was it two hundred bucks a week?
Speaker 2: Two hundred bucks a boy a boy? Okay? Gross? That's
Speaker 2: like really really really really gross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting into literal trafficking. That's what this is.
Speaker 2: Holy. For some reason, I just didn't go there at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it makes sense.
Speaker 1: So as for those two boys that David walked in
Speaker 1: on Dean raping and then killing, I could not find
Speaker 1: those two boys' names, so I do not have their identity.
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are. I cannot kind of
Speaker 1: tell their story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sad.
Speaker 1: On December thirteenth, nineteen seventy, David lewured two boys, both
Speaker 1: fourteen years old from Spring Branch named James Glass and
Speaker 1: Danny Yates, who were attending a religious rally held in
Speaker 1: Houston Heights to Dean's Yorktown apartment. James was actually an
Speaker 1: acquaintance of David and had actually previously visited Dean's place.
Speaker 1: Once they arrived at the apartment, both James and Danny
Speaker 1: were then tied to opposite sides of Dean's torture board,
Speaker 1: were raped, strangled, and killed, only to be buried in
Speaker 1: a boat shed that Dean had rented. An electrical cord
Speaker 1: with alligator clips attached to each end was buried alongside
Speaker 1: Danny's body and by alligator clips. That is referring to
Speaker 1: how you jump a car. Those clips at the end
Speaker 1: of those cables.
Speaker 2: Cool like regretting the Halloween can be like starved for
Speaker 2: this episode, it's really yeah.
Speaker 1: You're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm great, You're sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well buckle up because it's a it's
Speaker 1: a bumpy ride.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's it's fucking gross. Like the researching this, I was like,
Speaker 1: holy fuck, and I had no idea what this case
Speaker 1: was prior to I've heard of this guy. I I've
Speaker 1: heard that he lured boys and killed people. That was
Speaker 1: about it. Now I know to the extent, and holy fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are already I feel like he's it's gone on
Speaker 2: for such a long period of time that it's just
Speaker 2: like too much.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's only been going on for like two years so.
Speaker 2: Far, that's too much.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I'm just saying comparatively, and well, actually comparatively,
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually go on that long. Just a lot
Speaker 1: happens in the time it goes on.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So on January thirtieth, nineteen seventy one, six weeks after
Speaker 1: the double murder of James and Danny, only six weeks,
Speaker 1: only six weeks, David and Dean encountered two teenage brothers,
Speaker 1: Donald and Jerry Waldrop. They're walking towards their parents' house.
Speaker 1: The brothers had been driven to a friend's home by
Speaker 1: their father with plans on discussing forming a bowling league,
Speaker 1: which fucking awesome. Ye I want to join it, no kidding,
Speaker 1: Like I want to be these guys' friends and be
Speaker 1: on their fucking bowling team.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I used to be in a bowling
Speaker 2: league that was super cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure you were, so what it's cool for them
Speaker 1: but not me, yeah exactly. Anyways, they had actually begun
Speaker 1: walking home once they realized that their friend wasn't home. Okay,
Speaker 1: so their dad dropped them off their friend's place. They
Speaker 1: realized their friend wasn't home, but their dad had already left.
Speaker 1: Now they're walking home.
Speaker 2: Oh dang.
Speaker 1: Ye. Both boys were lured into Dean's van and driven
Speaker 1: to his apartment, where they were, as you guessed, raped, tortured, strangled,
Speaker 1: and subsequently buried in the boat shed.
Speaker 2: Jeez. Oh those like just I'm just like, you can't
Speaker 2: stop thinking about the parents in all the situation, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's really like they're just gone missing right to
Speaker 2: the parents. I don't know if later it's found or whatever,
Speaker 2: but it's that's well obviously, but that's sad.
Speaker 1: And imagine like being a parent at this time with
Speaker 1: kids that currently aren't missing. But seeing all these kids
Speaker 1: go missing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you just lock them in the house. You're
Speaker 2: not allowed to leave, stay in the basement. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: house for anything.
Speaker 1: Right. So, between March and May of nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: Dean abducted and killed three more young boys, all of
Speaker 1: whom lived in Houston Heights, Texas. And we're all buried
Speaker 1: towards the rear end of the rented boat shed. In
Speaker 1: each of these abductions, David is known to have been
Speaker 1: a participant. So it's not like he's just you know,
Speaker 1: like idly standing by and just being a witness. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: he's he's involved.
Speaker 2: Now, oh, like in the assaults or just mostly still
Speaker 2: gathering the boys.
Speaker 1: I can't I couldn't find anything on him being involved
Speaker 1: in rape, okay, but he is definitely involved in assaults
Speaker 1: and murders.
Speaker 2: Oh and he's like raking in the dough.
Speaker 1: Yep, huh so. Fifteen year old Randall Harvey was last
Speaker 1: seen by his family on March ninth, cycling towards Oak Forest,
Speaker 1: where he worked part time as a gas station attendant.
Speaker 1: Randall was abducted and taken to Dean's most recent Magnum
Speaker 1: Road apartment, where he went through the same tortures as
Speaker 1: the previous victim. However, this time he was killed by
Speaker 1: a single gunshot to the head.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: The other two victims were thirteen year old David Hill,
Speaker 1: a guest hillegeist I think it's hillegeist, and sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Gregory Winkle. They were abducted and killed together on
Speaker 1: the afternoon of May twenty ninth, nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 2: Good lord, they're so young.
Speaker 1: Yep, they're so young. How you holding up? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I'm just very fidgety. I cank you still.
Speaker 1: That was me in the doctor death episode though, because
Speaker 1: like You're just rattling off all this stuff and I'm
Speaker 1: just whole, Like it's overwhelming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a lot of victims, it is.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of nice that I get to turn
Speaker 1: the tables on you and present it to you now
Speaker 1: because I get to see you figure.
Speaker 2: It so now I'm agitated, thank you. That's just our
Speaker 2: goal to make other person agitated.
Speaker 1: Pretty much so as it had been the case with
Speaker 1: the other boys, And like we kind of already touched
Speaker 1: on the boy's parents frantically were searching for their sons. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen year old Elmer Wayne Henley, a lifelong friend of
Speaker 1: the Hilligeist, which was David Hillegeist. You know, he was thirteen,
Speaker 1: just fucking killed by Dean. Yeah, so Elmer was volunteering
Speaker 1: and helped spread missing posters and reward posters you know,
Speaker 1: in the area to keep keep his uh, his friend
Speaker 1: trying to be found. And he kept reassuring you know,
Speaker 1: his friend's parents that there maybe just an incident, that
Speaker 1: it can be explained and it's they'll be back soon
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, well, that doesn't tear open your heart. Oh.
Speaker 1: Dean however, didn't slow down in the face of any
Speaker 1: missing posters or to strop parents.
Speaker 2: Doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Not a single fuck was given by this asshole. Fucking
Speaker 1: I can't even think of a word to describe this guy,
Speaker 1: like he's filth.
Speaker 2: The words that I want to say, I just probably shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Once the mics are off.
Speaker 2: Don't want to guess. In Trouble.
Speaker 1: On August seventeenth, nineteen seventy one, Dean and David ran across,
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old acquaintance of David's named Ruben Watson
Speaker 1: Hainey Haney. I think it's how it is h n
Speaker 1: e y. He was walking home from a movie theater
Speaker 1: in Houston. David convinced Ruben to join them for a
Speaker 1: party that was taking place at Dean's address. It was
Speaker 1: somewhere that he had just moved to on San Philippi
Speaker 1: Philippe Philippe. I can't say the word. I know I'm
Speaker 1: pronouncing it wrong. I can hear it in my head,
Speaker 1: but I can't say it f e l I p
Speaker 1: E street.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, Okay, okay, that is just so wicked and
Speaker 2: graham and we just pronounce no or just spelled it outside,
Speaker 2: sorry it out instead.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we can't say words. Stay tough and hard,
Speaker 1: that's what she said. Okay. Reuben didn't have any suspicion.
Speaker 1: He knew David right. Well, yeah, so he thought, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: the party might be fun. So he agreed and he
Speaker 1: was taking to Deans home where he was, as you
Speaker 1: guessed it, killed by strangulation and buried in the boat shed.
Speaker 2: So just stay home, folks like, don't go to parties
Speaker 2: or do anything fun. Just stay home. Really don't accept
Speaker 2: candy from strangers. Don't just stay home.
Speaker 1: I do want to point out he does drive a
Speaker 1: van too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is so interesting. But then back then, maybe
Speaker 2: that it didn't have that stereotype, you.
Speaker 1: Know, well, maybe this is how Yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: going to say, this.
Speaker 2: Is how it this is probably how it does.
Speaker 1: Well, No, I don't think it's this one. I think
Speaker 1: there's many cases of vans, tinted windows, lots of space,
Speaker 1: you can lure people.
Speaker 2: Any Yeah, but then in free candy, yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe who knows lure little kids in? I mean that's
Speaker 1: the go to, right.
Speaker 2: That's disgusting.
Speaker 1: It is fucking gross, disgusting. Most people can fuck off,
Speaker 1: fuck off anyways, Okay. In September of nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: Dean moved to another apartment in Houston Heights. He moves
Speaker 1: apartments quite.
Speaker 2: Frequently, clearly when he's getting kicked out or something.
Speaker 1: I don't think so I couldn't find anything of him
Speaker 1: being kicked out. He just keeps moving.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: A later confession tells of two more youths who were
Speaker 1: killed here at this apartment, one of which was kept
Speaker 1: alive for somewhere around four days before being murdered. Brut
Speaker 1: and the identity of these boys to this day remains unknown. Okay,
Speaker 1: in the winter of nineteen seventy one, David introduced Elmer
Speaker 1: Wayne Henley to Dean. Do you know who that is?
Speaker 2: Is? Not the friend?
Speaker 1: Elmer Wayne Henley was the little boy distributing those missing.
Speaker 2: Posters, and David entered reduced him to Dean. Yes that
Speaker 2: you said, Oh my gosh. Run.
Speaker 1: Elmer was likely lured to Dean as an intended victim
Speaker 1: Frick say. However, for whatever reason, Dean spared him and
Speaker 1: decided he would make a good accomplice and offered him
Speaker 1: the same two hundred dollars for any boy he could
Speaker 1: lure to his apartment.
Speaker 2: Okay, not knowing that Elmer was like part of a
Speaker 2: search for one of the boys. Yep, Okay, is this
Speaker 2: how the ends then?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm hoping this is how this shit starts.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that Elmer is going to be a good boy.
Speaker 1: Well, he told Elmer he was involved in quote unquote
Speaker 1: a white slavery ring operating from Dallas, which I don't
Speaker 1: know why, like a white slavery ring would be any
Speaker 1: better than what he's actually fucking doing. But anyways, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Almer declined and ignored the offer for several months
Speaker 1: in fact, but in nineteen seventy two he changed his
Speaker 1: mind and accepted because he and his family were in
Speaker 1: dire financial need a The first abduction he participated in
Speaker 1: occurred during the time Dean resided at nine to twenty
Speaker 1: five Schruller Street, an address he moved to in February
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two. Almer and Dean picked up quote
Speaker 1: unquote a boy at the corner of Eleventh and stud
Speaker 1: Wood and lured him into Dean's home on the promise
Speaker 1: of smoking some marijuana, you know that weed, the good
Speaker 1: stuff at the apartment and they would, you know, just
Speaker 1: chill out. So while they were there, they were playing
Speaker 1: with some handcuffs and convinced the young boy to try
Speaker 1: them on. Oh no, Once he did, Elmer saw Dean
Speaker 1: bind and gag the boy. Then he left him alone
Speaker 1: with Dean, believing he was being sold to a sexual
Speaker 1: slavery ring. The identity of this boy remains unknown.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm actually really confused because is this not like
Speaker 2: triggering Elmer to be like thinking that this could be
Speaker 2: what happened to his friend? Maybe or he just doesn't
Speaker 2: get a shit, or or maybe he just didn't isn't
Speaker 2: it isn't he'sn't realizing. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I still feel like he's a good kid, but I
Speaker 2: don't think he is anymore.
Speaker 1: He might have been a good kid at one point,
Speaker 1: but he uh, he certainly isn't anymore.
Speaker 2: They turned him and he needed money.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One month later, on March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy two, Elmer,
Speaker 1: David and Dean saw an eighteen year old friend of
Speaker 1: Elmer's named Frank. Ag You are ag You are your
Speaker 1: a g u I are are.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Ben, No, No, we can't eg youre.
Speaker 1: I think agre like you are egg you wire aguire.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go. That sounds like the best option.
Speaker 1: That sounds like the best option all the shit. Poor Frank. Fuck,
Speaker 1: I can't even say your name.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we're actually that yeah Ry Okay.
Speaker 1: So anyways, Frank was leaving the restaurant on Yale Street
Speaker 1: where he worked. He was invited over to Dean's apartment
Speaker 1: to do some more smoke them of that Devil's let
Speaker 1: us run, Frank and drinking some beers. So with the
Speaker 1: trio he went along. No, well there they were actually
Speaker 1: hanging out for a bit. You know what, This was
Speaker 1: a legit chill set Frank and then Frank picked up
Speaker 1: a pair of handcuffs that Dean had left on the table,
Speaker 1: and immediately Dean pounced on Frank, slammed him into the
Speaker 1: table shit and cuffed his hands behind his back.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just have to say sorry. I especially hate
Speaker 2: when it's like a friend, right, because this is he
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, I'm just going to hang out
Speaker 2: and he like trusts this person as their friends and
Speaker 2: then like boom, yeah, like that just seems to times.
Speaker 1: Worse to me, I know, very backstabby, poshit mother. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Elmer did actually attempt to persuade Dean not to assault
Speaker 1: his friend, but Dean refused and revealed to Elmer that
Speaker 1: he had raped, tortured, and killed the previous victim that
Speaker 1: he had assisted in abducting, and that he intended to
Speaker 1: do the same with Frank. Then, after Dean was done, Elmer, Dean,
Speaker 1: and David all helped in burying Frank's body at High
Speaker 1: Island Beach. Here.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's gonna turn, It's gonna turn. Almer's
Speaker 2: a good boy. Nope, but no, he sucks and I
Speaker 2: don't like him at all.
Speaker 1: That's the official mark of Elmer now being a part
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: What a freakin' asshole.
Speaker 1: After that, he was just an active participant in the abductions,
Speaker 1: the murders.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but how can they recruit people to this
Speaker 2: as disgusting?
Speaker 1: Well, it was only one month after Frank's death on
Speaker 1: April twentieth, the three men abducted the next one. He's
Speaker 1: seventeen year old by the name of Mark Scott. He
Speaker 1: was grabbed by Forrest and he actually fought furiously against
Speaker 1: the attempts to restrain him. Elmer, however, pointed a pistol
Speaker 1: towards him, and at the sight of a gun being
Speaker 1: pointed at him, he gave up. Well, yeah, so Mark
Speaker 1: was tied, tortured and suffered the same fate as Frank.
Speaker 2: But they say, even if the guns pointed at you
Speaker 2: or something like, still just like freaking do everything you
Speaker 2: can run and shit, right, because their aim couldn't be shit, Their.
Speaker 1: Aim can be shit. They might not have it in them,
Speaker 1: they might not even have any.
Speaker 2: Be like for show. Yeah, so still keep fighting yep.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know for sure, I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Don't take her advice, for sure, look it up. Maybe
Speaker 1: because we're no experts.
Speaker 2: On we're no experts, but I just feel like what
Speaker 2: was coming to him was pretty shitty too, like really, So.
Speaker 1: Moving on to June twenty six, two boys named Billy
Speaker 1: Balsh and Johnny del Mo de Lom Dellom. There we go.
Speaker 1: I'm getting better with the name thing, I think.
Speaker 2: There you go. There's a lot of names in here
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: There a lot of individuals we are talking about here,
Speaker 1: trying to get all the stories told we can. So
Speaker 1: they were abducted and tied to Dean's bed and his
Speaker 1: fucking torture board thing. After their torture and rape, Elmer
Speaker 1: manually strangled Billy and then shouted hey Johnny and then
Speaker 1: shot him in the forehead.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Johnny then pleaded with them please don't before he was
Speaker 1: then strangled to death. Both boys were buried at High
Speaker 1: Island Beach.
Speaker 2: What exactly is this torture board? Do we know anything
Speaker 2: about this?
Speaker 1: It's some sort of board that where he like straps
Speaker 1: them down and he just kind of has his way
Speaker 1: and beats them.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I wish I didn't ask Actually.
Speaker 1: There was another boy named Billy Rigginger, Ringinger, Ringing Her,
Speaker 1: Riddinger Readinger. There we go. Names are hard. I try.
Speaker 1: I pronounced all these like well, I was actually researching,
Speaker 1: and then come to it.
Speaker 2: It's just I constantly do like pronounce dot calm or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, okay, I got this, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: and then as.
Speaker 1: Soon as the mics are hot and we're reading, not
Speaker 1: even close.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So Billy Riddinger, Redingerdinger, see Okay, Billy Ridinger who was
Speaker 1: nineteen and was brought to Dean. He was tied to
Speaker 1: that torture board, tortured, abused, but was set free.
Speaker 2: Oh really he was okay.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything in what happened to him after that.
Speaker 2: So he lived. Then we think, my gosh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Another incident, Elmer actually knocked David unconscious and quote unquote
Speaker 1: assaulted him. I don't know the definition of assaulted in
Speaker 1: this scenario, Okay, if there was rape involved or what,
Speaker 1: but he knocked him unconscious quote unquote assaulted him, and
Speaker 1: then afterwards they after he woke up, it was just
Speaker 1: like nothing ever happened. They just kept doing their thing.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen seventy two, there were two
Speaker 1: more victims. The first was seventeen year old Stephen Sickman,
Speaker 1: who was last seen leaving a party held in the
Speaker 1: Heights shortly before midnight on July nineteenth. He was savagely
Speaker 1: savagely there we go, bludgeoned in the chest with a
Speaker 1: blunt object before he was strangled and buried in the
Speaker 1: boat shed approximately one month later, on a boat October sorry,
Speaker 1: August twenty first, a nineteen year old named Roy Button
Speaker 1: was abducted while walking to his job in a Houston
Speaker 1: shoe store. Roy was gagged with a towel and his
Speaker 1: mouth was bound with tape. He was shot twice in
Speaker 1: the head and buried in the boat shed.
Speaker 2: Cute. Not all the bodies were buried in the boat shed, though, Hey, no,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them, a.
Speaker 1: Lot of them there. The Highland Beach and the boat
Speaker 1: shed were the two main places that the bodies were
Speaker 1: disposed of. I guess it's the best way to put it.
Speaker 1: On October second, nineteen seventy two, two teenagers named Willie J.
Speaker 1: Sikimo and Richard Hembry were walking home and lured to Deans.
Speaker 1: That evening, Jay phoned his mom and shouted the word
Speaker 1: mama into the receiver before it was disconnected. The following morning,
Speaker 1: both boys were strangled to death and subsequently buried in
Speaker 1: the common grave inside the boat shed.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that's like literally the last thing that
Speaker 2: he said to his mom. Yep, oh my heart. I know,
Speaker 2: like that really hurts. Oh.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that mom hearing that.
Speaker 2: L No, this is just it's too much.
Speaker 1: Okay, you need a minute. You needs more Halloween candy.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I don't actually need more Halloween candy.
Speaker 2: Needs something I need to know when this shit ends, Well,
Speaker 2: you have some more to go here? Are you fucking me?
Speaker 1: Altogether, at least ten teenagers between the age of thirteen
Speaker 1: and nineteen were murdered between February and November in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, five of whom were buried at the Highland
Speaker 1: Beach and five inside the boat Shed. Among them were
Speaker 1: eighteen year old williad Branch, who went missing while hitchhiking
Speaker 1: from Mount Pleasant in nineteen year old Richard Kepner, who
Speaker 1: disappeared on his way to a phone booth Dang on
Speaker 1: January twentieth, nineteen seventy three, Dean moved to an address
Speaker 1: on wrote in Spring Branch District of Houston. Within two
Speaker 1: weeks of moving to his new address, he had killed
Speaker 1: seventeen year old Joseph Lyles, and then shortly after in March,
Speaker 1: moved to twenty twenty Lamar Drive.
Speaker 2: Just constantly moving and also I need to know more
Speaker 2: about this boat shed, but keep going.
Speaker 1: The boat shed. It was a rented boat shed basically,
Speaker 1: and that's that's that there was.
Speaker 2: He can't be that big, and like they're bearing a
Speaker 2: shit ton of bodies there.
Speaker 1: He is bearing them on top of each other and
Speaker 1: stuff too.
Speaker 2: So interesting.
Speaker 1: So we are at his final residence though, just just
Speaker 1: to throw that out there, So we are winding down
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty Lamar Drive is like the infamous address
Speaker 1: for this case.
Speaker 2: Sweet.
Speaker 1: While at this residence, his killings began to increase in
Speaker 1: frequency and brutality. Starting in June, he began to develop
Speaker 1: a lust for killing even more, and he grew anxious,
Speaker 1: pacing and smoking constantly when he wasn't active.
Speaker 2: That's all that was on his mind, that's all he
Speaker 2: wanted to do, basically.
Speaker 1: Yep. June fourth, fifteen year old William Ray Lawrence. He
Speaker 1: was last seen alive by his father on thirty first Street.
Speaker 1: After three days of abuse and torture, William was strangled
Speaker 1: before being buried at Lake Sam Rayburn less than two
Speaker 1: weeks later, twenty year old Raymond Oh hold on, Oh sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. The names threw me off for a minute
Speaker 1: because they're fairly close. Raymond Stanley Blackburn was abducted, strangled,
Speaker 1: and buried at Lake Sam Rayburn.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't keep the so he only keeps some
Speaker 2: of them alive, hey, for extended periods of time, not
Speaker 2: all of them, it.
Speaker 1: Seems, saying. I'm assuming it has something to do with
Speaker 1: his sexual desires. That's my assumption, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Jeez, I should just keep quiet because every time I
Speaker 2: say anything like just makes me regret it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just trying to be honest.
Speaker 2: I don't know it makes sense, but.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's that's what makes sense to me,
Speaker 1: unless he's enjoying the torture part more. But it's either
Speaker 1: between not wanting to kill yet because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to clean up the mess right now he's enjoying the torture,
Speaker 1: or he's enjoying the rape. Those are the only three
Speaker 1: options I could see, and I think the rape would
Speaker 1: most likely be the answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Now where's my spot? I lost it?
Speaker 2: I distracted you, Okay with all my questions.
Speaker 1: It's all good. It's all good. We got this. July seventh,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, fifteen year old Homer Luis Garcia phoned
Speaker 1: his mother to say he was spending the night with
Speaker 1: a friend. He was shot and bled to death in
Speaker 1: Dean's bathtub before he was buried at Lake sam Rayburn.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Five days later, Holy shit. On July twelfth, seventeen year
Speaker 1: old John Sellers of Orange County was bound, shot to
Speaker 1: death and buried at High Island Beach.
Speaker 2: Like the police ustedge to be going wild. This is
Speaker 2: a ton of people. Yeah, at the end, do you
Speaker 2: kind of like say how many?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Holy, because I've lost so much count Like I've lost count.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Predicting, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Between July nineteenth and twenty fifth, fifteen year old Michael Balch,
Speaker 1: brother of previous victim Billy Bulsch, was last seen by
Speaker 1: his family on July nineteenth, on his way to get
Speaker 1: a haircut.
Speaker 2: You're kidding me.
Speaker 1: He was strangled and buried at Lake sam Rayburn. The
Speaker 1: other two, Charles Cable and Marty ray Jones, were abducted
Speaker 1: together on the afternoon of July twenty fifth, and we're
Speaker 1: buried in the boat shed.
Speaker 2: Okay, that brought that being a brother of someone that
Speaker 2: had previously been adopted really making has made me mad,
Speaker 2: like always had made me mad.
Speaker 1: But that I know, that's it's just double for that family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of them it was the same time.
Speaker 2: But to have it like happen and then you're like,
Speaker 2: probably really were protecting your kid, but like the kid
Speaker 2: needed a haircut, you gotta kind of like and then
Speaker 2: it happens again. Oh my gosh, that just makes your
Speaker 2: head hurt and your heart basically everything.
Speaker 1: This whole fucking episode is just so heavy on the heart.
Speaker 1: It like get hurttal. I can't wait to have this
Speaker 1: one off my fucking chest and I don't have to
Speaker 1: research talk about it anymore.
Speaker 2: So you just go and forget all forget like I'm
Speaker 2: going to try.
Speaker 1: I want to try to forget it, though. I hope
Speaker 1: that these victims are an't forgotten.
Speaker 2: Poor victims.
Speaker 1: So on August third, nineteen seventy three, a thirteen year
Speaker 1: old quote unquote, small blonde boy from South Houston named
Speaker 1: James Stanton Dreymala. He had a pizza bot for him
Speaker 1: by David, and he spent approximately forty five minutes talking
Speaker 1: and sharing it with them before he was attacked and
Speaker 1: abducted and taken to Dean's home.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this shit they do.
Speaker 1: James was tied to Dean's torture board, raped, tortured, and
Speaker 1: strangled with a cord before being buried in the boat shed.
Speaker 1: James would be Dean's last victim.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. I thought maybe that he would have gotten
Speaker 2: away then, but no.
Speaker 1: Who would have gotten away.
Speaker 2: That this last boy got away or something and that's
Speaker 2: how he ended up getting caught was sort of my thought.
Speaker 1: Well we're winded down to that, okay, okay. August seventh,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. Elmer ended up bringing a girlfriend of
Speaker 1: his and another friend, Tim Curly to Dean's house. The
Speaker 1: three of them and Dean stayed up, drank, huffed paint
Speaker 1: and fumes and shit, oh god, till about midnight. They
Speaker 1: drove out, got some sandwiches, came back and ended up
Speaker 1: being till about three and before they all finally ended
Speaker 1: up passing out falling asleep, okay, until Elmer woke up
Speaker 1: with his feet bound and Dean was handcuffing him to
Speaker 1: his torture board. Really, his girlfriend and Tim were also bound,
Speaker 1: had their feet, hands tied, and tape over their mouth.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Dean was furious that Elmer brought a woman to his place, stating,
Speaker 1: quote unquote, man, you blew it bringing that girl, before
Speaker 1: shouting quote unquote, I'm gonna kill you all, but first
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my fun. Oh whoa, yeah, are you good?
Speaker 1: Where do you think this is going?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm like on the edge of
Speaker 2: my seat here.
Speaker 1: Elmer knew what was about to follow, as he's literally
Speaker 1: witnessed the scenario so many times before, being involved in
Speaker 1: it so many times before, so he began to try
Speaker 1: to talk Dean down, try and talk him out of it,
Speaker 1: but he did it in a bit of a different way.
Speaker 1: He promised to participate in the torture and the murder
Speaker 1: of both his friend and his girlfriend if Dean just
Speaker 1: released him. After approximately thirty minutes of a discussion, Dean
Speaker 1: finally agreed and untied him. Then they both carried his
Speaker 1: friend and girlfriend into the bedroom, tied them on opposite
Speaker 1: side to the torture board. Old, I'm thinking I got
Speaker 1: the name wrong on this one. I think I might
Speaker 1: have got the name is mixed up. Which one's who
Speaker 1: is again? Who again? Who's the girlfriend? Who's the friend?
Speaker 2: Because we don't know the girlfriends name, Curly, Curly something something,
Speaker 2: Curly was that one of the names?
Speaker 1: Yep, Curly, Okay, so Curley's a friend and we don't
Speaker 1: know the girlfriend's name. So Curly was on his stomach
Speaker 1: and the girlfriend, which I think her last name was
Speaker 1: Williams's I think all I know she was on her back.
Speaker 2: Oh please, dear God, makes Elmer not do anything.
Speaker 1: Then Elmer followed Dean's instructions, including attempting to rape his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: so he was handed to hunting knife, cut off her clothes,
Speaker 1: and began to rape Wow, his girlfriend. Meanwhile, Dean was
Speaker 1: trying to rape Curly Wow, but in the midst of it,
Speaker 1: Almer managed to grab Dean's gun and pointed at him
Speaker 1: and shouted, you've gone far enough Dean. Dean abandoned the
Speaker 1: rape and began to approach Elmer. Saying kill me as
Speaker 1: he kept coming forward. You won't do it. Wow, But
Speaker 1: that's what Elmer did. Shot Dean six times.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: The first time in the forehead, but it's a twenty
Speaker 1: two caliber bullet, which is a small caliber. Didn't penetrate
Speaker 1: the skull the first shot, so he kept stumbling forward
Speaker 1: and Elmer kept shooting until he was.
Speaker 2: Okay. And I also, the one other thing that's on
Speaker 2: my mind is like I can't believe that he even
Speaker 2: was able to get all three of them like tied up.
Speaker 2: Kind of like that just like blows my mind.
Speaker 1: Drunk and high, yes, oh okay, he was just biting
Speaker 1: his time.
Speaker 2: Shit, Okay, he probably.
Speaker 1: Wasn't huffing here, wasn't drink he was just waiting.
Speaker 2: Oh god, this guy is just disgusting. Okay, So Almer
Speaker 2: has shot him to death.
Speaker 1: Yep. And at eight twenty four am on August eighth,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, Almer placed a call to nine one
Speaker 1: one and was answered by the operator named Velma Lines.
Speaker 1: And in that call, Elmer said, quote unquote, y'all better
Speaker 1: get here right now. I just killed a man.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Elmer spilled it all.
Speaker 2: So he had to get this all off his chesty,
Speaker 2: which is actually surprising that he didn't try to like
Speaker 2: project himself.
Speaker 1: You damn near got a quote from him already when
Speaker 1: he was read his Miranda rights. He just simply said,
Speaker 1: quote unquote, I don't care who knows about it. I
Speaker 1: have to get it off my chest.
Speaker 2: Wow. That's actually good, so good because I because he
Speaker 2: could have honestly hit it all.
Speaker 1: He could have. He told police everything and even helped
Speaker 1: locate the bodies.
Speaker 2: Wow, Oh, how could you remember all the names and stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would have remembered the names.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's identifying from missing persons reports.
Speaker 2: To the bodies, right, because I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure he doesn't even know half these people who they
Speaker 1: were or even their names nothing. Yeah, he just knows
Speaker 1: yet this guy, this was this guy that we got here, right,
Speaker 1: and then it could help link to the missing persons reports.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure we got this one
Speaker 1: over at the pizza place or something like that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, on July of nineteen seventy four, the jury deliberated
Speaker 1: for ninety two minutes before finding Elmer guilty of six
Speaker 1: accounts of murder. For each account, he is ordered to
Speaker 1: serve a ninety nine year sentence consecutively, totaling five hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety four years in prison.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: He was transferred to the Huntsville Unit to formally begin his.
Speaker 2: Sentence and sorry, when was that? What year was that?
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy four? Oh, okay, he's got a few hundred
Speaker 1: left to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: David came full confession on the evening of August ninth,
Speaker 1: admitting to being present at several killings and assisting in
Speaker 1: several burials, but he denied any direct participation in any murders.
Speaker 2: Liar yep.
Speaker 1: David's trial lasted less than one week. The jury deliberated
Speaker 1: for around ninety minutes before they reached the verdict. He
Speaker 1: was found guilty on March fourth, nineteen seventy four, and
Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison. Good now, both men
Speaker 1: actually did what's it called again when you try to
Speaker 1: get out.
Speaker 2: Of jail, your oh, appeals appeal?
Speaker 1: The word got I left me for a minute there.
Speaker 1: Both men did appeal and both didn't go through David, however,
Speaker 1: David owen Brooks died on May twenty eighth, twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: while still serving his sentence in prison. He had other
Speaker 1: health issues, but in the end he succumbed to COVID nineteen.
Speaker 2: Really hey, okay, well, it's actually amazing that nothing bad
Speaker 2: happened to any of them prior to, because they were
Speaker 2: in jail for something pretty horrific and lots of times. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're in jail for something involves children, don't have
Speaker 2: the best of times in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, usually you get beat to death.
Speaker 2: So it's actually amazing that he died of that and
Speaker 2: not something prior to.
Speaker 1: In total, the candy Man had a minimum it's unknown
Speaker 1: as total count, but he had a minimum of twenty
Speaker 1: seven victims.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I feel like there's way more than that.
Speaker 2: That seems low.
Speaker 1: There were some reports I saw that said twenty eight
Speaker 1: minimum twenty eight, but the most common one that I
Speaker 1: found was twenty seven. So I'm going to go with out.
Speaker 2: I mean, still a ton, but I was honestly expecting
Speaker 2: that number to be higher.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that is the story of the Candy Man.
Speaker 2: Oh, I hate the candy Man.
Speaker 1: Fuck that guy.
Speaker 2: That is just disgusting. Yeah, okay, so he's dead, David's dead,
Speaker 2: and Elmer's still just in jail.
Speaker 1: Yes, For the next five and fifty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh interesting, I mean I do. I'm glad that
Speaker 2: Elmer and David came forward and convest and like helped
Speaker 2: with finding these kids and stuff, but still like still
Speaker 2: pieces of shit.
Speaker 1: I do want to say though, in the end though,
Speaker 1: with Elmer raping his girlfriend, he did that specifically to
Speaker 1: gain advantage over over Dean. When the police showed up,
Speaker 1: all three his friend, his girlfriend, and himself were all
Speaker 1: sitting on the porch. The gun was sitting down on
Speaker 1: the ground for the police to collect when they walked
Speaker 1: up and everything, and Elmer actually told his girlfriend he said,
Speaker 1: you know, if I, if I did go ahead with it,
Speaker 1: I could have got two hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: For if I would say that again, if I did.
Speaker 1: Go ahead with it, I could have got two hundred
Speaker 1: bucks for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fucked up heh Yeah.
Speaker 1: But clearly he didn't go ahead with it, but he
Speaker 1: did go ahead with a lot of other fucked up shits.
Speaker 2: So geez the money and like, how was this guy
Speaker 2: making money to pay for that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was involved in some sort of trafficking ring.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe some of the people that he
Speaker 1: was abducting he was sending off to trafficking ring getting
Speaker 1: money for it, and he was only taking some for himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe that wasn't even like a full out lie,
Speaker 2: really very likely brutal. Okay, well yeah.
Speaker 1: Well next week we got Halloween week coming up.
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe, Now I was like, maybe we should do
Speaker 2: a case. It's like, fun, Well, we're not heavy.
Speaker 1: We're starting with Robert the Doll.
Speaker 2: Okay, there will be some that aren't like to this
Speaker 2: heavy level for sure.
Speaker 1: And if you don't know Robert the Doll, Robert the
Speaker 1: Doll was the literal inspiration for Chucky behind Child's play Wow,
Speaker 1: and at this moment, he is considered the world's most
Speaker 1: haunted doll.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait to hear more
Speaker 2: about it.
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