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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true.

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<v Speaker 1>Crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Morning. The following podcast content and material intent more mature

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<v Speaker 3>audience listener dis question, got it?

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<v Speaker 2>Got it, didn't nail it, but you got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I brain farted, my bad. Yeah, what's up, guys?

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going? Welcome, Welcome to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we got one hell of a case today. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was very suiting for Halloween coming out up.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just found out what it was. What it

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<v Speaker 2>is five minutes ago. I'm pumped.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I put off researching really far this time again.

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<v Speaker 1>I got home from work and I've been just researching

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<v Speaker 1>like crazy. Yeah, and now we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have Maybe this might be the latest.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, because we have less than two hours

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<v Speaker 1>before I has to go live and we're recording right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So it broke your own record, I think I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But what else? We got lots to drop? We got

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon patreons, patrons got we gotta thank here. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to bring up my list because if you guys didn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you already do because we've said it a

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<v Speaker 1>couple times before we didn't stay on social media yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so we still don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to do a post.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a total of twenty three patrons now over

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon's we're going to get the down low and

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<v Speaker 1>all behind the scenes stuff Drunk, Wicked and Grim, which

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<v Speaker 1>is coming up next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're recording it this.

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<v Speaker 1>Weekend and that's only available to patrons, so if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to catch that, which I think we should do

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<v Speaker 1>a video for it. We should do an actual like video.

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<v Speaker 2>I think no, maybe next time. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be voice. No, let's ease into this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing. Have to look at us, Yeah, they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to see how ridiculous this is gonna get.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna get ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Your eyebrows get really high right when you're drunk.

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<v Speaker 1>The more I drink, the higher my eyebrows raise up.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, pay attention to Ben's eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 1>If if I look like I'm my eyebrows are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to hold my eyelids open, and then I'm drunk. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So to thank the patrons, and I'm gonna go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and say this right now. We're terrible with names, so

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<v Speaker 1>We're probably gonna pronounce your names wrong, but we're gonna try.

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<v Speaker 1>And why I say we, are you gonna read? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I just have a list in my hand.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're you fly at her.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. Okay, So we

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<v Speaker 1>have Meghan Moynhan, moynihan. There we go, Meghan moynihan first,

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<v Speaker 1>first one. I already sucked up, yay, Meghan Hailey, Everhardt,

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<v Speaker 1>j C. Harrison, Meghan Rosick, Meghan Moore, Jennifer Pruski, Kimberly,

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<v Speaker 1>Kylie Bergen, Elizabeth LeBlanc, Jade Venette, Sean Rana, Rana. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Amanda Sayer, Katie Whittaker, Larissa Emmons who like shout Out.

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<v Speaker 1>We've known her for a while, met her down in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico like ten or Jamaica like ten years ago. She's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Bronson Ramos who also awesome. Listen Vancouver. If you need

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<v Speaker 1>a tattoo artist, I've gone to him a few times.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, if you ask him to, he will do the

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<v Speaker 1>truffle shuffle on the spot. Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That he will. Yeah. And Cassandra fury Sweet, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>I pronounce you guys. His name's right. You guys are awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for all your support. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>are incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually it blows me away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're kind of like blown away, like ridiculously blown away.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are going to get some access to some

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff. You've already got some cool stuff. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course Drunk, Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's like the selling point one very much. Well, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>just getting an extra episode a month is pretty sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Extra episode when we start ads will be a free

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<v Speaker 1>and our little pre recording to each episode when we're

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<v Speaker 1>testing our mics and stuff, we a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>banter going that we post that there too.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so no it's weird shit. Yeah, okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do my joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do your joke.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going to do a joke like every time,

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<v Speaker 2>but someone actually submitted a joke, so I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not freaking do a joke again. So this is Katie

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<v Speaker 2>from She's from What the Psychology? Are You Ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Which is another podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another podcast. It's another podcast. I think we've actually

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<v Speaker 2>put it. We shutted it out on our stories or

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<v Speaker 2>something before. But she's awesome, and the joke that she

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<v Speaker 2>submitted it goes. You probably know the answer, but so

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<v Speaker 2>just don't say we're going to give them a minute

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<v Speaker 2>after I read okay, okay, why did the skeleton go

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<v Speaker 2>to the movies alone?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I don't know. Do tell why Why.

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<v Speaker 2>Would they have gone to the movies alone? Because he

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<v Speaker 2>had nobody to go with? Oh to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? What do you call a man with no body

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<v Speaker 1>and no nose?

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody?

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<v Speaker 1>No nos, nobody knows?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, thanks Katie, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any other bombs you get to drop?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Halloween's coming out Halloween week. Tell us what's

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening the down low.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we've dropped it a little bit before. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it starts next Monday, on the twenty fifth. That would

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<v Speaker 2>be this. I don't know this is coming out on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts on the following Monday, so the twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's literally seven days of us putting some cool

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seven days, seven straight days, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>All epic Halloween stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So and they might not be like full episodes, but

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<v Speaker 2>some might just be minis, just like fun little things

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<v Speaker 2>to help celebrate Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not too concerned with the length on those episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just going to be what it is and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got some cool ones. I'm starting out with Robert

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<v Speaker 1>the Doll. I've dropped that set of Halloween. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite paranormal cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Like ever, so to someone in here is obsessed with Halloween, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder who it is this guy right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're just a tiny bit obsessed a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So are you ready for this case?

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<v Speaker 2>I am one hundred percent ready.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you are. This is this is Craig Cray. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>he's fucking Craig Cray. Yo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I gonna like it or dislike it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you'll dislike it. I don't know if anyone should

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<v Speaker 1>technically like this, you know what I mean? But like

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<v Speaker 1>you may enjoy the story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good story, but I like a good story.

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<v Speaker 1>This dude is fucking twisted. He did a lot of shit, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is known as the candy Man.

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<v Speaker 2>The candy Man.

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<v Speaker 1>The candy Man is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not an awqua song? But is it is the Candy

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<v Speaker 2>Man an aqua song.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe I could be getting that wrong anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>carry on, sorry, and all I can think of is

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<v Speaker 1>cartoon heroes and Doctor Jones it was the only and

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<v Speaker 1>Barbie Girl. Maybe it is. Maybe it's a song. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>while you're looking it up, I'm going to start here. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Fort Wayne, Indiana born on Christmas Eve of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine. By the way, he was the first child

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<v Speaker 1>of Arnold Edwin Coral and Mary Robinson. Dean Coral grew

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<v Speaker 1>up and became a candy man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Lollipop.

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<v Speaker 1>Lollipop Okay, go yeah, okay. So the home that Dean

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<v Speaker 1>kind of grew up in wasn't the most ideal household.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a combative home. His parents quarreled constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>They were actually divorced while Coral was still an infant.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry I had his last name there, well, Dean Coral

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<v Speaker 1>was still an infant. Yeah, and then they remarried after

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<v Speaker 1>World War tea war te wow, I am fucking up

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<v Speaker 1>royally today World War two, but Dean's father provided no

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<v Speaker 1>stabilizing influence, regarding his children with like thinly veiled distaste

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. It's just like whatever, They're just things mostly.

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<v Speaker 2>So that sounds nice, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had resorts like really harsh punishments for like

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<v Speaker 1>the smallest things, which was like total douche move. So

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<v Speaker 1>so anyways, when the couple ended up separating for the

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<v Speaker 1>second time, This was when Dean was seven and his

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<v Speaker 1>youngest brother, Stanley, moved with him and his mother to Houston.

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<v Speaker 1>They were left with a series of sitters, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Deans Dean seemed to adjust to the change, doing well

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<v Speaker 1>in school, described by his teachers as polite, well behaved. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up developed sorry, just like brain farted for

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<v Speaker 1>a second. He ended up developing rheumatic fever, which left

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<v Speaker 1>him with like a heart condition, resulting in frequent absences

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<v Speaker 1>from school. Okay, so he seemed to welcome the change

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well. When his mother actually remarried to a traveling

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<v Speaker 1>clock salesman named Jake West, Oh fun the name or

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<v Speaker 1>the job.

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<v Speaker 2>The job. I don't know why you want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a traveling clock, really, I feel like that be super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Go sell some clocks and watches. Yeah, and together they

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<v Speaker 1>ended up having a third child.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually the whole family had moved to Vedoor, Texas, where

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<v Speaker 1>they opened a candy making business named Pecan Price, and

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<v Speaker 1>soon it expanded to become their livelihood. There, Dean and

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<v Speaker 1>his brother Stanley began to work part time making candy,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dean was generous with samples, handing it out to

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<v Speaker 1>local kids as he sought to win new friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a Texas case.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done a lot of Texas. We had in the

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<v Speaker 2>last few Hey, you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Spawned some weird people who do some fucked up shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like out of the last four, I think

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<v Speaker 2>three of them have been Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Really. I did this one specifically because Candy Man and

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween that's what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, because doctor Death was and then the yogurt

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<v Speaker 2>chop murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, you're right. Yeah, we're gonna have to steer clear,

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<v Speaker 1>steer clean.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll give Texas a little break after this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're coming down on your heart. Okay, So Following Dean's

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<v Speaker 1>So it was rather than just like making it in

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<v Speaker 2>Now cool.

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<v Speaker 1>However, Dean's mother's happy new marriage began to face a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of difficulties in nineteen sixty two, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Which I just want to throw this out there. This

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<v Speaker 1>like fuck you in this divorce thing. I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>over the candy monopoly. Now I'm gonna do better. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, I don't almost that a spike sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, it's kind of like dick move, but boss

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a combination isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so the same same year she opened the shop,

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<v Speaker 1>Though one of the employees, who was a teenage boy,

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<v Speaker 1>complained about Dean making sexual advances towards him. She ignored

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<v Speaker 1>the accusations, however, and simply just fired the boy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now this might be key here. Maybe this shows that

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<v Speaker 1>odd behaviors earlier in life. It's kind of like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of two things here. It could be either she loved

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<v Speaker 1>not my son, now, my precious little boy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he would never do that except so it could be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those two things, whether she just didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>it or was in denial about it. Okay, either way,

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. I don't know, or maybe I'm just reading

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<v Speaker 1>too far into it. Hard to say anyways. A year later,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty four, despite his heart condition, Dean was

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<v Speaker 1>drafted into the US military and he was assigned to

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<v Speaker 1>Fort Polk, Lose, Louisiana for a ten month training regiment.

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<v Speaker 1>I need water.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some deal. Oh please, it's just like a

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<v Speaker 1>Please do please do so for a ten month training

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<v Speaker 1>regiment while I can't talk. While there, he openly discovered

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<v Speaker 1>his homosexuality and had his first sexual relations. Wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Step out of your pink water bottle. Yep, suits yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. I like it a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still in sober October, so I can't have a

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<v Speaker 1>beer right now. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, look at you, you're actually doing it amazing, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>like well done. And I'm drinking less only because I

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<v Speaker 2>just like you, don't I don't know. I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>don't tend to drink alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair fair Okay. So, ten months into his service, Dean

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<v Speaker 1>would be successful in an application for a quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>hardship discharge after explaining that he needed to leave to

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<v Speaker 1>help his mom at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Store, the candy store, candy shop.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was honorably discharged, and for several more years,

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<v Speaker 1>Dean continued to work at the candy shop and would

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<v Speaker 1>continue to make advances towards male employees. He also continued

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<v Speaker 1>his habit of handing out extra samples to kids as

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<v Speaker 1>he continued his work, earning him the infamous name the candy.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, the candy man because he liked to give extra samples.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he'd hand out candy and he was doing he

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<v Speaker 1>was giving out those samples to befriend the kids. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It started out when they were his age, But as

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting older, he's still giving out the samples to

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<v Speaker 1>these kids, befriending these little kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this some terrible foreshadowing?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck, yeah, oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the back of the business, Dean ended up

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<v Speaker 1>bringing in a pool table where employees and friends could

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<v Speaker 1>hang out. Many of the teenage boys Deaton was befriending

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<v Speaker 1>through the candy business didn't really have much to speak

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<v Speaker 1>of for a place to go, as many were runaways

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<v Speaker 1>or troubled youth, so it became a regular hangout. Dean

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<v Speaker 1>was said to be openly and obviously flirtatious with many

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<v Speaker 1>of the boys.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm assuming they were like underage boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, to put into perspective here, we're getting into

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<v Speaker 1>one particular case. In nineteen sixty seven, Dean met twelve

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<v Speaker 1>year old David Owen Brooks through the shop and its hangout.

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<v Speaker 1>The two quickly became close friends. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>David's twelve and Dean at this time is twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's just gonna be like how old.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Yeah, he's almost thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, okay, So that's I mean, if it was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a big brother, like because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's that program and stuff, and you're really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>mentoring and just like guiding this person, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sound like it's well, it's that well.

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<v Speaker 1>The two would spend a lot of time together, doing

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<v Speaker 1>various things like trips and such, and through it all,

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<v Speaker 1>David like admired Dean, looking up to him to the

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<v Speaker 1>point of like considering him a substitute father. Okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot remember a lot of these kids are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trouble used and that sort of thing. So I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't really have a father figure. So to David,

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<v Speaker 1>Dean was that father figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>However, the relationship took a bit of a darker turn

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty nine. Over the course of the past

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<v Speaker 1>two years, Dean groomed David and steadily built his trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Dean bribed and paid David to perform oral sex.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, Okay, we went there.

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<v Speaker 1>We went there. Yeah, there are reports that this happened

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times, always with a bribe as means to have

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<v Speaker 1>David keep quiet about it. I really want to say

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<v Speaker 1>it as well. I didn't want to say. As I

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<v Speaker 1>was typing that sentence, I was like, always as a

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<v Speaker 1>bribe as means to keep David's mouth shut. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, that doesn't quite work for what he's

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<v Speaker 1>bribing him for.

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<v Speaker 2>So then.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't work, so I changed it to keep quiet

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<v Speaker 1>about Sorry. It just that's how I was writing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, no, that doesn't sound right.

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<v Speaker 2>These poor boys are looking up to him and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just like totally taken advantage definitely, and like so they're

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<v Speaker 2>thinking he's this awesome dude and just wants to hang

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<v Speaker 2>out and help them, and he's just not it has

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<v Speaker 2>does not have good intentions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, although he is openly flirtatious with a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure that a lot of them are aware

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<v Speaker 1>of that and they're like pretty leary of them. But

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<v Speaker 1>some of them maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>They just desperately want someone like to guide them and

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<v Speaker 2>beats have someone to look up to though yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh, anyways, not long after the Coral Candy Company

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<v Speaker 1>closed its doors, Dean moved on to get another job.

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<v Speaker 1>He was doing testing electrical relay systems out of Houston

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<v Speaker 1>Lighting and Power Company, which sounds like a pretty dope job.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you can get some good money out of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But in nineteen sixty nine, when David turned thirty, he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to undergo a sudden shift in personality, becoming very

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<v Speaker 1>hyper sensitive and glum and kind of darker and sadder,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued to spend his time with teenage boys like David,

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<v Speaker 1>and he passed out free candy all around.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so, even though he doesn't have this business, he's

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<v Speaker 2>still all about the candy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he still passed out candy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that just seems like creepy now, hey, well it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of his thing, a candy man, right yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only that, he would also host glue and paint

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<v Speaker 1>sniffing parties at his apartment for these boys.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeahuf huff the fumes get high. Really yeah. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, he kind of shifting his personality a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit darker.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, no kidding. I liked it when he was

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<v Speaker 2>just handing out candy when he actually had a candy

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<v Speaker 2>store though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so now he's just tougher. He's huffing fumes handing

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<v Speaker 1>out candy in his apartment to kids.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like just creeper. Oh, like the creep radar.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just just going off.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's like at the very top now, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it can't go much further. Yeah, it probably

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<v Speaker 2>is going to though.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well let's keep going. So at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>he displayed a bit more of a sadistic streak leaning

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<v Speaker 1>men and boys.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>On September twenty fifth, nineteen seventy, Dean picked up a

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<v Speaker 1>hitchhiker by the name of Jeffrey Conan, who was an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old student at the University of Texas. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have any idea where this is going?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think that he's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm just gonna go.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a classic don't go hitchhiking because Dean didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take Jeffrey to where he was looking to go. Yeah, Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>Dean abducted him and Jeffrey's body was later found on

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<v Speaker 1>August tenth, nineteen seventy three, buried on a nearby high

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<v Speaker 1>island beach in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Okay, I thought that maybe he would just

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<v Speaker 2>like have raped him or something and not had actually

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<v Speaker 2>killed him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he was found under a large rock and was

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<v Speaker 1>covered in a layer of lime, wrapped in plastic, naked

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<v Speaker 1>and bound hand, bound hands and feet with nylon cord,

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that he had been violated. His body showed that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been strangled to death by hand, and a

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<v Speaker 1>cloth gag was in his mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh geez.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was certainly a rough way to go, needless to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, Yeah, I know, hitchhiking, Like I know, some people

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<v Speaker 2>are just they need it or whatever, right, but gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>it just puts you in such a dangerous position. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is the amount of times you hear about hit

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<v Speaker 2>going wrong that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's crazy scary. So around the same time of

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<v Speaker 1>this incident with Jeffrey, in nineteen seventy David walked in

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<v Speaker 1>on Dean in the middle of raping two teenage boys,

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, who he had bound and strapped to a

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote torture board in his bedroom. Dean somehow managed

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<v Speaker 1>to convince David not to say a word through years

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<v Speaker 1>of building the trust, or maybe because David was promised

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<v Speaker 1>a carr in return for his silence.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy car is kind of a big deal. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>bad though, So David accepted the terms.

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00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.880
<v Speaker 1>He accepted the offer and kept his mouth shut. Dean

431
00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.160
<v Speaker 1>went on to continue to sexually assault the boys and

432
00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:36.200
<v Speaker 1>murdering them shortly after.

433
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:43.519
<v Speaker 2>What like, really, yeap, holy, what's with him? Okay, what's

434
00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.880
<v Speaker 2>with them? Murdering them after? That's new level?

435
00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.039
<v Speaker 1>That's it's his thing.

436
00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>This guy's nasty.

437
00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh he nasty.

438
00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:54.039
<v Speaker 2>He's a nasty malfo.

439
00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:59.680
<v Speaker 1>So Dean bought David a green Chevrolet Corvette just like you.

440
00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I don't even think I could accept

441
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:03.319
<v Speaker 2>that gift.

442
00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, like morally, So you can just see how that

443
00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.759
<v Speaker 1>grooming has paid off for him over the years. That

444
00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.519
<v Speaker 1>trust he built up with David, the manipulation he had,

445
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:14.839
<v Speaker 1>over the power he had.

446
00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:17.480
<v Speaker 2>But then, in all honesty would have been he even

447
00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.160
<v Speaker 2>been able to stop him from murdering those people too.

448
00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:25.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean he could fucking scream run for police or something, right, Yeah,

449
00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.559
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, you know, I'll buy you a car, just

450
00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:28.759
<v Speaker 1>leave the room and don't say anything.

451
00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he probably would have got murdered himself too.

452
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Well if he just said okay, yeah, sure, and then

453
00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.279
<v Speaker 1>walked out of the room and then fucking ran.

454
00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:37.599
<v Speaker 2>For police, they might have still got murdered.

455
00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 1>They might have still got murdered.

456
00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:42.759
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but that it would have stopped there.

457
00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:46.000
<v Speaker 1>It would have stopped there, or could have stopped there. Yeah,

458
00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.079
<v Speaker 1>and as you're about to find out, this goes a

459
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:49.599
<v Speaker 1>lot farther.

460
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't stop it. Yeah, and this guy is driving

461
00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:54.079
<v Speaker 2>around in his little.

462
00:22:54.799 --> 00:23:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Little green Corvette. Wow, So how it did continue? Dean

463
00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:08.079
<v Speaker 1>offered something to David, something else. He said he would

464
00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:11.039
<v Speaker 1>give him two hundred dollars for any boy he could

465
00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>bring to Dean's apartment. No, Blue, are these boys to

466
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:17.640
<v Speaker 1>my apartment? And I will give you two hundred bucks,

467
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 1>which is approximately fourteen hundred dollars in today's economy, like

468
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:23.279
<v Speaker 1>a week?

469
00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.039
<v Speaker 2>You mean sorry, was it two hundred bucks a week?

470
00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Two hundred bucks a boy a boy? Okay? Gross? That's

471
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>like really really really really gross.

472
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're getting into literal trafficking. That's what this is.

473
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Holy. For some reason, I just didn't go there at all. Yeah,

474
00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>but it makes sense.

475
00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.839
<v Speaker 1>So as for those two boys that David walked in

476
00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:50.519
<v Speaker 1>on Dean raping and then killing, I could not find

477
00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:54.480
<v Speaker 1>those two boys' names, so I do not have their identity.

478
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who they are. I cannot kind of

479
00:23:58.400 --> 00:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>tell their story.

480
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sad.

481
00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:07.920
<v Speaker 1>On December thirteenth, nineteen seventy, David lewured two boys, both

482
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old from Spring Branch named James Glass and

483
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Danny Yates, who were attending a religious rally held in

484
00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Houston Heights to Dean's Yorktown apartment. James was actually an

485
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:24.319
<v Speaker 1>acquaintance of David and had actually previously visited Dean's place.

486
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Once they arrived at the apartment, both James and Danny

487
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:33.519
<v Speaker 1>were then tied to opposite sides of Dean's torture board,

488
00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:40.519
<v Speaker 1>were raped, strangled, and killed, only to be buried in

489
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 1>a boat shed that Dean had rented. An electrical cord

490
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.440
<v Speaker 1>with alligator clips attached to each end was buried alongside

491
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Danny's body and by alligator clips. That is referring to

492
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.240
<v Speaker 1>how you jump a car. Those clips at the end

493
00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>of those cables.

494
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Cool like regretting the Halloween can be like starved for

495
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>this episode, it's really yeah.

496
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:07.079
<v Speaker 1>You're good.

497
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm great, You're sure.

498
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Well buckle up because it's a it's

499
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a bumpy ride.

500
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is disgusting.

501
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>It's it's fucking gross. Like the researching this, I was like,

502
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:24.039
<v Speaker 1>holy fuck, and I had no idea what this case

503
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>was prior to I've heard of this guy. I I've

504
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.599
<v Speaker 1>heard that he lured boys and killed people. That was

505
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>about it. Now I know to the extent, and holy fuck.

506
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are already I feel like he's it's gone on

507
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.000
<v Speaker 2>for such a long period of time that it's just

508
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:42.279
<v Speaker 2>like too much.

509
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's only been going on for like two years so.

510
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Far, that's too much.

511
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, but I'm just saying comparatively, and well, actually comparatively,

512
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:55.680
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't actually go on that long. Just a lot

513
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>happens in the time it goes on.

514
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

515
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>So on January thirtieth, nineteen seventy one, six weeks after

516
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:08.559
<v Speaker 1>the double murder of James and Danny, only six weeks,

517
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.920
<v Speaker 1>only six weeks, David and Dean encountered two teenage brothers,

518
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Donald and Jerry Waldrop. They're walking towards their parents' house.

519
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.599
<v Speaker 1>The brothers had been driven to a friend's home by

520
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:26.319
<v Speaker 1>their father with plans on discussing forming a bowling league,

521
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>which fucking awesome. Ye I want to join it, no kidding,

522
00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I want to be these guys' friends and be

523
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 1>on their fucking bowling team.

524
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I used to be in a bowling

525
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>league that was super cool.

526
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure you were, so what it's cool for them

527
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>but not me, yeah exactly. Anyways, they had actually begun

528
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:50.359
<v Speaker 1>walking home once they realized that their friend wasn't home. Okay,

529
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>so their dad dropped them off their friend's place. They

530
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 1>realized their friend wasn't home, but their dad had already left.

531
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Now they're walking home.

532
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh dang.

533
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Ye. Both boys were lured into Dean's van and driven

534
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:09.400
<v Speaker 1>to his apartment, where they were, as you guessed, raped, tortured, strangled,

535
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and subsequently buried in the boat shed.

536
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Jeez. Oh those like just I'm just like, you can't

537
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>stop thinking about the parents in all the situation, Yeah,

538
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 2>because it's really like they're just gone missing right to

539
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.599
<v Speaker 2>the parents. I don't know if later it's found or whatever,

540
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>but it's that's well obviously, but that's sad.

541
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>And imagine like being a parent at this time with

542
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>kids that currently aren't missing. But seeing all these kids

543
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:40.480
<v Speaker 1>go missing.

544
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you just lock them in the house. You're

545
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 2>not allowed to leave, stay in the basement. Yeah, the

546
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>house for anything.

547
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Right. So, between March and May of nineteen seventy one,

548
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Dean abducted and killed three more young boys, all of

549
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 1>whom lived in Houston Heights, Texas. And we're all buried

550
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.319
<v Speaker 1>towards the rear end of the rented boat shed. In

551
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.880
<v Speaker 1>each of these abductions, David is known to have been

552
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a participant. So it's not like he's just you know,

553
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.759
<v Speaker 1>like idly standing by and just being a witness. It's like, no,

554
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>he's he's involved.

555
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Now, oh, like in the assaults or just mostly still

556
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.279
<v Speaker 2>gathering the boys.

557
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I can't I couldn't find anything on him being involved

558
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.279
<v Speaker 1>in rape, okay, but he is definitely involved in assaults

559
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and murders.

560
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh and he's like raking in the dough.

561
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yep, huh so. Fifteen year old Randall Harvey was last

562
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.599
<v Speaker 1>seen by his family on March ninth, cycling towards Oak Forest,

563
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 1>where he worked part time as a gas station attendant.

564
00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Randall was abducted and taken to Dean's most recent Magnum

565
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Road apartment, where he went through the same tortures as

566
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 1>the previous victim. However, this time he was killed by

567
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a single gunshot to the head.

568
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

569
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>The other two victims were thirteen year old David Hill,

570
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>a guest hillegeist I think it's hillegeist, and sixteen year

571
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>old Gregory Winkle. They were abducted and killed together on

572
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the afternoon of May twenty ninth, nineteen seventy one.

573
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Good lord, they're so young.

574
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep, they're so young. How you holding up? I don't know.

575
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm fine. I'm just very fidgety. I cank you still.

576
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>That was me in the doctor death episode though, because

577
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>like You're just rattling off all this stuff and I'm

578
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>just whole, Like it's overwhelming.

579
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a lot of victims, it is.

580
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of nice that I get to turn

581
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the tables on you and present it to you now

582
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>because I get to see you figure.

583
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>It so now I'm agitated, thank you. That's just our

584
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 2>goal to make other person agitated.

585
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much so as it had been the case with

586
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 1>the other boys, And like we kind of already touched

587
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>on the boy's parents frantically were searching for their sons. Well, yeah,

588
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>fifteen year old Elmer Wayne Henley, a lifelong friend of

589
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the Hilligeist, which was David Hillegeist. You know, he was thirteen,

590
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 1>just fucking killed by Dean. Yeah, so Elmer was volunteering

591
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.839
<v Speaker 1>and helped spread missing posters and reward posters you know,

592
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 1>in the area to keep keep his uh, his friend

593
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to be found. And he kept reassuring you know,

594
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.839
<v Speaker 1>his friend's parents that there maybe just an incident, that

595
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>it can be explained and it's they'll be back soon

596
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

597
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh, well, that doesn't tear open your heart. Oh.

598
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Dean however, didn't slow down in the face of any

599
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.279
<v Speaker 1>missing posters or to strop parents.

600
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't give a shit.

601
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Not a single fuck was given by this asshole. Fucking

602
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't even think of a word to describe this guy,

603
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 1>like he's filth.

604
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>The words that I want to say, I just probably shouldn't.

605
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 1>Once the mics are off.

606
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Don't want to guess. In Trouble.

607
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 1>On August seventeenth, nineteen seventy one, Dean and David ran across,

608
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 1>a seventeen year old acquaintance of David's named Ruben Watson

609
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Hainey Haney. I think it's how it is h n

610
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 1>e y. He was walking home from a movie theater

611
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 1>in Houston. David convinced Ruben to join them for a

612
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 1>party that was taking place at Dean's address. It was

613
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>somewhere that he had just moved to on San Philippi

614
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Philippe Philippe. I can't say the word. I know I'm

615
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 1>pronouncing it wrong. I can hear it in my head,

616
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 1>but I can't say it f e l I p

617
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>E street.

618
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh goodness, Okay, okay, that is just so wicked and

619
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>graham and we just pronounce no or just spelled it outside,

620
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 2>sorry it out instead.

621
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, we can't say words. Stay tough and hard,

622
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>that's what she said. Okay. Reuben didn't have any suspicion.

623
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>He knew David right. Well, yeah, so he thought, yeah, sure,

624
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the party might be fun. So he agreed and he

625
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>was taking to Deans home where he was, as you

626
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 1>guessed it, killed by strangulation and buried in the boat shed.

627
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>So just stay home, folks like, don't go to parties

628
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 2>or do anything fun. Just stay home. Really don't accept

629
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>candy from strangers. Don't just stay home.

630
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 1>I do want to point out he does drive a

631
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:37.559
<v Speaker 1>van too.

632
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is so interesting. But then back then, maybe

633
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 2>that it didn't have that stereotype, you.

634
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Know, well, maybe this is how Yeah, I was just

635
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>going to say, this.

636
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.839
<v Speaker 2>Is how it this is probably how it does.

637
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, No, I don't think it's this one. I think

638
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 1>there's many cases of vans, tinted windows, lots of space,

639
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 1>you can lure people.

640
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Any Yeah, but then in free candy, yeah.

641
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe who knows lure little kids in? I mean that's

642
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:02.759
<v Speaker 1>the go to, right.

643
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>That's disgusting.

644
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>It is fucking gross, disgusting. Most people can fuck off,

645
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>fuck off anyways, Okay. In September of nineteen seventy one,

646
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Dean moved to another apartment in Houston Heights. He moves

647
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>apartments quite.

648
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Frequently, clearly when he's getting kicked out or something.

649
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so I couldn't find anything of him

650
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>being kicked out. He just keeps moving.

651
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 3>Now.

652
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 1>A later confession tells of two more youths who were

653
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>killed here at this apartment, one of which was kept

654
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 1>alive for somewhere around four days before being murdered. Brut

655
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and the identity of these boys to this day remains unknown. Okay,

656
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 1>in the winter of nineteen seventy one, David introduced Elmer

657
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Wayne Henley to Dean. Do you know who that is?

658
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Is? Not the friend?

659
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Elmer Wayne Henley was the little boy distributing those missing.

660
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Posters, and David entered reduced him to Dean. Yes that

661
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 2>you said, Oh my gosh. Run.

662
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Elmer was likely lured to Dean as an intended victim

663
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Frick say. However, for whatever reason, Dean spared him and

664
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>decided he would make a good accomplice and offered him

665
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 1>the same two hundred dollars for any boy he could

666
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>lure to his apartment.

667
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, not knowing that Elmer was like part of a

668
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:31.039
<v Speaker 2>search for one of the boys. Yep, Okay, is this

669
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 2>how the ends then?

670
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I'm hoping this is how this shit starts.

671
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking that Elmer is going to be a good boy.

672
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, he told Elmer he was involved in quote unquote

673
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:48.639
<v Speaker 1>a white slavery ring operating from Dallas, which I don't

674
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 1>know why, like a white slavery ring would be any

675
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 1>better than what he's actually fucking doing. But anyways, Yeah,

676
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>so Almer declined and ignored the offer for several months

677
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 1>in fact, but in nineteen seventy two he changed his

678
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.360
<v Speaker 1>mind and accepted because he and his family were in

679
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>dire financial need a The first abduction he participated in

680
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>occurred during the time Dean resided at nine to twenty

681
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.280
<v Speaker 1>five Schruller Street, an address he moved to in February

682
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen seventy two. Almer and Dean picked up quote

683
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 1>unquote a boy at the corner of Eleventh and stud

684
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Wood and lured him into Dean's home on the promise

685
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>of smoking some marijuana, you know that weed, the good

686
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff at the apartment and they would, you know, just

687
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>chill out. So while they were there, they were playing

688
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>with some handcuffs and convinced the young boy to try

689
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 1>them on. Oh no, Once he did, Elmer saw Dean

690
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>bind and gag the boy. Then he left him alone

691
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 1>with Dean, believing he was being sold to a sexual

692
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>slavery ring. The identity of this boy remains unknown.

693
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm actually really confused because is this not like

694
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>triggering Elmer to be like thinking that this could be

695
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 2>what happened to his friend? Maybe or he just doesn't

696
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>get a shit, or or maybe he just didn't isn't

697
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:20.599
<v Speaker 2>it isn't he'sn't realizing. I don't know. I don't know.

698
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I still feel like he's a good kid, but I

699
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:23.519
<v Speaker 2>don't think he is anymore.

700
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>He might have been a good kid at one point,

701
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>but he uh, he certainly isn't anymore.

702
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.119
<v Speaker 2>They turned him and he needed money.

703
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One month later, on March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy two, Elmer,

704
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 1>David and Dean saw an eighteen year old friend of

705
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Elmer's named Frank. Ag You are ag You are your

706
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a g u I are are.

707
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Ben, No, No, we can't eg youre.

708
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I think agre like you are egg you wire aguire.

709
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh there you go. That sounds like the best option.

710
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like the best option all the shit. Poor Frank. Fuck,

711
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I can't even say your name.

712
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, we're actually that yeah Ry Okay.

713
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, Frank was leaving the restaurant on Yale Street

714
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.639
<v Speaker 1>where he worked. He was invited over to Dean's apartment

715
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 1>to do some more smoke them of that Devil's let

716
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:25.199
<v Speaker 1>us run, Frank and drinking some beers. So with the

717
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>trio he went along. No, well there they were actually

718
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>hanging out for a bit. You know what, This was

719
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>a legit chill set Frank and then Frank picked up

720
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 1>a pair of handcuffs that Dean had left on the table,

721
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 1>and immediately Dean pounced on Frank, slammed him into the

722
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 1>table shit and cuffed his hands behind his back.

723
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just have to say sorry. I especially hate

724
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>when it's like a friend, right, because this is he

725
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>was just like, oh, I'm just going to hang out

726
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and he like trusts this person as their friends and

727
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 2>then like boom, yeah, like that just seems to times.

728
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Worse to me, I know, very backstabby, poshit mother. Anyways,

729
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Elmer did actually attempt to persuade Dean not to assault

730
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 1>his friend, but Dean refused and revealed to Elmer that

731
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>he had raped, tortured, and killed the previous victim that

732
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 1>he had assisted in abducting, and that he intended to

733
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>do the same with Frank. Then, after Dean was done, Elmer, Dean,

734
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and David all helped in burying Frank's body at High

735
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Island Beach. Here.

736
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I was like, it's gonna turn, It's gonna turn. Almer's

737
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 2>a good boy. Nope, but no, he sucks and I

738
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>don't like him at all.

739
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.320
<v Speaker 1>That's the official mark of Elmer now being a part

740
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 1>of this.

741
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>What a freakin' asshole.

742
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:48.079
<v Speaker 1>After that, he was just an active participant in the abductions,

743
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the murders.

744
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but how can they recruit people to this

745
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 2>as disgusting?

746
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was only one month after Frank's death on

747
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>April twentieth, the three men abducted the next one. He's

748
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old by the name of Mark Scott. He

749
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 1>was grabbed by Forrest and he actually fought furiously against

750
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the attempts to restrain him. Elmer, however, pointed a pistol

751
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 1>towards him, and at the sight of a gun being

752
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>pointed at him, he gave up. Well, yeah, so Mark

753
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>was tied, tortured and suffered the same fate as Frank.

754
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 2>But they say, even if the guns pointed at you

755
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 2>or something like, still just like freaking do everything you

756
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>can run and shit, right, because their aim couldn't be shit, Their.

757
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Aim can be shit. They might not have it in them,

758
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:37.519
<v Speaker 1>they might not even have any.

759
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Be like for show. Yeah, so still keep fighting yep.

760
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I don't know for sure, I shouldn't.

761
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Don't take her advice, for sure, look it up. Maybe

762
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 1>because we're no experts.

763
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>On we're no experts, but I just feel like what

764
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 2>was coming to him was pretty shitty too, like really, So.

765
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Moving on to June twenty six, two boys named Billy

766
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Balsh and Johnny del Mo de Lom Dellom. There we go.

767
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting better with the name thing, I think.

768
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.159
<v Speaker 2>There you go. There's a lot of names in here

769
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 2>for you.

770
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 1>There a lot of individuals we are talking about here,

771
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>trying to get all the stories told we can. So

772
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:21.280
<v Speaker 1>they were abducted and tied to Dean's bed and his

773
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:28.280
<v Speaker 1>fucking torture board thing. After their torture and rape, Elmer

774
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 1>manually strangled Billy and then shouted hey Johnny and then

775
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 1>shot him in the forehead.

776
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

777
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Johnny then pleaded with them please don't before he was

778
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 1>then strangled to death. Both boys were buried at High

779
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Island Beach.

780
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 2>What exactly is this torture board? Do we know anything

781
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 2>about this?

782
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It's some sort of board that where he like straps

783
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.440
<v Speaker 1>them down and he just kind of has his way

784
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and beats them.

785
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I wish I didn't ask Actually.

786
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>There was another boy named Billy Rigginger, Ringinger, Ringing Her,

787
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Riddinger Readinger. There we go. Names are hard. I try.

788
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I pronounced all these like well, I was actually researching,

789
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>and then come to it.

790
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>It's just I constantly do like pronounce dot calm or whatever,

791
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and then I'm like, okay, I got this, and then yeah,

792
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:27.039
<v Speaker 2>and then as.

793
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Soon as the mics are hot and we're reading, not

794
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.239
<v Speaker 1>even close.

795
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

796
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 1>So Billy Riddinger, Redingerdinger, see Okay, Billy Ridinger who was

797
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen and was brought to Dean. He was tied to

798
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 1>that torture board, tortured, abused, but was set free.

799
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh really he was okay.

800
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find anything in what happened to him after that.

801
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>So he lived. Then we think, my gosh, that's amazing.

802
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Another incident, Elmer actually knocked David unconscious and quote unquote

803
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 1>assaulted him. I don't know the definition of assaulted in

804
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>this scenario, Okay, if there was rape involved or what,

805
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.320
<v Speaker 1>but he knocked him unconscious quote unquote assaulted him, and

806
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 1>then afterwards they after he woke up, it was just

807
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 1>like nothing ever happened. They just kept doing their thing.

808
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

809
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.800
<v Speaker 1>In the summer of nineteen seventy two, there were two

810
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.840
<v Speaker 1>more victims. The first was seventeen year old Stephen Sickman,

811
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>who was last seen leaving a party held in the

812
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Heights shortly before midnight on July nineteenth. He was savagely

813
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 1>savagely there we go, bludgeoned in the chest with a

814
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>blunt object before he was strangled and buried in the

815
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.760
<v Speaker 1>boat shed approximately one month later, on a boat October sorry,

816
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.800
<v Speaker 1>August twenty first, a nineteen year old named Roy Button

817
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 1>was abducted while walking to his job in a Houston

818
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 1>shoe store. Roy was gagged with a towel and his

819
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>mouth was bound with tape. He was shot twice in

820
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the head and buried in the boat shed.

821
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Cute. Not all the bodies were buried in the boat shed, though, Hey, no,

822
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of them, a.

823
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Lot of them there. The Highland Beach and the boat

824
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 1>shed were the two main places that the bodies were

825
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 1>disposed of. I guess it's the best way to put it.

826
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:28.559
<v Speaker 1>On October second, nineteen seventy two, two teenagers named Willie J.

827
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Sikimo and Richard Hembry were walking home and lured to Deans.

828
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:39.320
<v Speaker 1>That evening, Jay phoned his mom and shouted the word

829
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 1>mama into the receiver before it was disconnected. The following morning,

830
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 1>both boys were strangled to death and subsequently buried in

831
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 1>the common grave inside the boat shed.

832
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, that's like literally the last thing that

833
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 2>he said to his mom. Yep, oh my heart. I know,

834
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>like that really hurts. Oh.

835
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine that mom hearing that.

836
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:10.280
<v Speaker 2>L No, this is just it's too much.

837
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you need a minute. You needs more Halloween candy.

838
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I don't actually need more Halloween candy.

839
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Needs something I need to know when this shit ends, Well,

840
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 2>you have some more to go here? Are you fucking me?

841
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Altogether, at least ten teenagers between the age of thirteen

842
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 1>and nineteen were murdered between February and November in nineteen

843
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.559
<v Speaker 1>seventy two, five of whom were buried at the Highland

844
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Beach and five inside the boat Shed. Among them were

845
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old williad Branch, who went missing while hitchhiking

846
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>from Mount Pleasant in nineteen year old Richard Kepner, who

847
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>disappeared on his way to a phone booth Dang on

848
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 1>January twentieth, nineteen seventy three, Dean moved to an address

849
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 1>on wrote in Spring Branch District of Houston. Within two

850
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.119
<v Speaker 1>weeks of moving to his new address, he had killed

851
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.119
<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old Joseph Lyles, and then shortly after in March,

852
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>moved to twenty twenty Lamar Drive.

853
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Just constantly moving and also I need to know more

854
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 2>about this boat shed, but keep going.

855
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>The boat shed. It was a rented boat shed basically,

856
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's that there was.

857
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.480
<v Speaker 2>He can't be that big, and like they're bearing a

858
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 2>shit ton of bodies there.

859
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>He is bearing them on top of each other and

860
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:33.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff too.

861
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.880
<v Speaker 2>So interesting.

862
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.519
<v Speaker 1>So we are at his final residence though, just just

863
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.320
<v Speaker 1>to throw that out there, So we are winding down

864
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.360
<v Speaker 1>a twenty twenty Lamar Drive is like the infamous address

865
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 1>for this case.

866
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Sweet.

867
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 1>While at this residence, his killings began to increase in

868
00:45:56.159 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 1>frequency and brutality. Starting in June, he began to develop

869
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 1>a lust for killing even more, and he grew anxious,

870
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 1>pacing and smoking constantly when he wasn't active.

871
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>That's all that was on his mind, that's all he

872
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:12.079
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, basically.

873
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Yep. June fourth, fifteen year old William Ray Lawrence. He

874
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.559
<v Speaker 1>was last seen alive by his father on thirty first Street.

875
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:27.199
<v Speaker 1>After three days of abuse and torture, William was strangled

876
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 1>before being buried at Lake Sam Rayburn less than two

877
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 1>weeks later, twenty year old Raymond Oh hold on, Oh sorry, yeah,

878
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 1>that's right. The names threw me off for a minute

879
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 1>because they're fairly close. Raymond Stanley Blackburn was abducted, strangled,

880
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.079
<v Speaker 1>and buried at Lake Sam Rayburn.

881
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And he doesn't keep the so he only keeps some

882
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>of them alive, hey, for extended periods of time, not

883
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>all of them, it.

884
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Seems, saying. I'm assuming it has something to do with

885
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>his sexual desires. That's my assumption, But I don't know.

886
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Jeez, I should just keep quiet because every time I

887
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 2>say anything like just makes me regret it.

888
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm just trying to be honest.

889
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it makes sense, but.

890
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that's that's what makes sense to me,

891
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 1>unless he's enjoying the torture part more. But it's either

892
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 1>between not wanting to kill yet because he doesn't want

893
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 1>to clean up the mess right now he's enjoying the torture,

894
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 1>or he's enjoying the rape. Those are the only three

895
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>options I could see, and I think the rape would

896
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.400
<v Speaker 1>most likely be the answer.

897
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so.

898
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Now where's my spot? I lost it?

899
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I distracted you, Okay with all my questions.

900
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>It's all good. It's all good. We got this. July seventh,

901
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three, fifteen year old Homer Luis Garcia phoned

902
00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>his mother to say he was spending the night with

903
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 1>a friend. He was shot and bled to death in

904
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Dean's bathtub before he was buried at Lake sam Rayburn.

905
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

906
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Five days later, Holy shit. On July twelfth, seventeen year

907
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 1>old John Sellers of Orange County was bound, shot to

908
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 1>death and buried at High Island Beach.

909
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Like the police ustedge to be going wild. This is

910
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.239
<v Speaker 2>a ton of people. Yeah, at the end, do you

911
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of like say how many?

912
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

913
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Holy, because I've lost so much count Like I've lost count.

914
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's.

915
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Predicting, it's unbelievable.

916
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 1>Between July nineteenth and twenty fifth, fifteen year old Michael Balch,

917
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 1>brother of previous victim Billy Bulsch, was last seen by

918
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.599
<v Speaker 1>his family on July nineteenth, on his way to get

919
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 1>a haircut.

920
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 2>You're kidding me.

921
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 1>He was strangled and buried at Lake sam Rayburn. The

922
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 1>other two, Charles Cable and Marty ray Jones, were abducted

923
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 1>together on the afternoon of July twenty fifth, and we're

924
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 1>buried in the boat shed.

925
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that brought that being a brother of someone that

926
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 2>had previously been adopted really making has made me mad,

927
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:14.599
<v Speaker 2>like always had made me mad.

928
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 1>But that I know, that's it's just double for that family.

929
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean some of them it was the same time.

930
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.079
<v Speaker 2>But to have it like happen and then you're like,

931
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 2>probably really were protecting your kid, but like the kid

932
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.280
<v Speaker 2>needed a haircut, you gotta kind of like and then

933
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.519
<v Speaker 2>it happens again. Oh my gosh, that just makes your

934
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:39.280
<v Speaker 2>head hurt and your heart basically everything.

935
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.639
<v Speaker 1>This whole fucking episode is just so heavy on the heart.

936
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 1>It like get hurttal. I can't wait to have this

937
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>one off my fucking chest and I don't have to

938
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Speaker 1>research talk about it anymore.

939
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.760
<v Speaker 2>So you just go and forget all forget like I'm

940
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>going to try.

941
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I want to try to forget it, though. I hope

942
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 1>that these victims are an't forgotten.

943
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Poor victims.

944
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 1>So on August third, nineteen seventy three, a thirteen year

945
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 1>old quote unquote, small blonde boy from South Houston named

946
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 1>James Stanton Dreymala. He had a pizza bot for him

947
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 1>by David, and he spent approximately forty five minutes talking

948
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:27.199
<v Speaker 1>and sharing it with them before he was attacked and

949
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.679
<v Speaker 1>abducted and taken to Dean's home.

950
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this shit they do.

951
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:40.559
<v Speaker 1>James was tied to Dean's torture board, raped, tortured, and

952
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 1>strangled with a cord before being buried in the boat shed.

953
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 1>James would be Dean's last victim.

954
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. I thought maybe that he would have gotten

955
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.639
<v Speaker 2>away then, but no.

956
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Who would have gotten away.

957
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.239
<v Speaker 2>That this last boy got away or something and that's

958
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:03.760
<v Speaker 2>how he ended up getting caught was sort of my thought.

959
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Well we're winded down to that, okay, okay. August seventh,

960
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.599
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three. Elmer ended up bringing a girlfriend of

961
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:18.920
<v Speaker 1>his and another friend, Tim Curly to Dean's house. The

962
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.119
<v Speaker 1>three of them and Dean stayed up, drank, huffed paint

963
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and fumes and shit, oh god, till about midnight. They

964
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.119
<v Speaker 1>drove out, got some sandwiches, came back and ended up

965
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>being till about three and before they all finally ended

966
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Speaker 1>up passing out falling asleep, okay, until Elmer woke up

967
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 1>with his feet bound and Dean was handcuffing him to

968
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:49.199
<v Speaker 1>his torture board. Really, his girlfriend and Tim were also bound,

969
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 1>had their feet, hands tied, and tape over their mouth.

970
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

971
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Dean was furious that Elmer brought a woman to his place, stating,

972
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote, man, you blew it bringing that girl, before

973
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.639
<v Speaker 1>shouting quote unquote, I'm gonna kill you all, but first

974
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:13.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have my fun. Oh whoa, yeah, are you good?

975
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Where do you think this is going?

976
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I'm like on the edge of

977
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>my seat here.

978
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Elmer knew what was about to follow, as he's literally

979
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 1>witnessed the scenario so many times before, being involved in

980
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.719
<v Speaker 1>it so many times before, so he began to try

981
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.239
<v Speaker 1>to talk Dean down, try and talk him out of it,

982
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>but he did it in a bit of a different way.

983
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>He promised to participate in the torture and the murder

984
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of both his friend and his girlfriend if Dean just

985
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>released him. After approximately thirty minutes of a discussion, Dean

986
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:56.000
<v Speaker 1>finally agreed and untied him. Then they both carried his

987
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 1>friend and girlfriend into the bedroom, tied them on opposite

988
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 1>side to the torture board. Old, I'm thinking I got

989
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the name wrong on this one. I think I might

990
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 1>have got the name is mixed up. Which one's who

991
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.079
<v Speaker 1>is again? Who again? Who's the girlfriend? Who's the friend?

992
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Because we don't know the girlfriends name, Curly, Curly something something,

993
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Curly was that one of the names?

994
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Curly, Okay, so Curley's a friend and we don't

995
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>know the girlfriend's name. So Curly was on his stomach

996
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and the girlfriend, which I think her last name was

997
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Williams's I think all I know she was on her back.

998
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh please, dear God, makes Elmer not do anything.

999
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Then Elmer followed Dean's instructions, including attempting to rape his girlfriend,

1000
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>so he was handed to hunting knife, cut off her clothes,

1001
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:54.599
<v Speaker 1>and began to rape Wow, his girlfriend. Meanwhile, Dean was

1002
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to rape Curly Wow, but in the midst of it,

1003
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Almer managed to grab Dean's gun and pointed at him

1004
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:10.039
<v Speaker 1>and shouted, you've gone far enough Dean. Dean abandoned the

1005
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 1>rape and began to approach Elmer. Saying kill me as

1006
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:18.239
<v Speaker 1>he kept coming forward. You won't do it. Wow, But

1007
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:23.199
<v Speaker 1>that's what Elmer did. Shot Dean six times.

1008
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

1009
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.199
<v Speaker 1>The first time in the forehead, but it's a twenty

1010
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:32.000
<v Speaker 1>two caliber bullet, which is a small caliber. Didn't penetrate

1011
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 1>the skull the first shot, so he kept stumbling forward

1012
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and Elmer kept shooting until he was.

1013
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay. And I also, the one other thing that's on

1014
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.320
<v Speaker 2>my mind is like I can't believe that he even

1015
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:48.960
<v Speaker 2>was able to get all three of them like tied up.

1016
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Kind of like that just like blows my mind.

1017
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Drunk and high, yes, oh okay, he was just biting

1018
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:56.920
<v Speaker 1>his time.

1019
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Shit, Okay, he probably.

1020
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't huffing here, wasn't drink he was just waiting.

1021
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, this guy is just disgusting. Okay, So Almer

1022
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 2>has shot him to death.

1023
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And at eight twenty four am on August eighth,

1024
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three, Almer placed a call to nine one

1025
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 1>one and was answered by the operator named Velma Lines.

1026
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And in that call, Elmer said, quote unquote, y'all better

1027
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Speaker 1>get here right now. I just killed a man.

1028
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1029
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Elmer spilled it all.

1030
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.920
<v Speaker 2>So he had to get this all off his chesty,

1031
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:35.760
<v Speaker 2>which is actually surprising that he didn't try to like

1032
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 2>project himself.

1033
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>You damn near got a quote from him already when

1034
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.679
<v Speaker 1>he was read his Miranda rights. He just simply said,

1035
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.480
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote, I don't care who knows about it. I

1036
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.159
<v Speaker 1>have to get it off my chest.

1037
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow. That's actually good, so good because I because he

1038
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 2>could have honestly hit it all.

1039
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:57.679
<v Speaker 1>He could have. He told police everything and even helped

1040
00:55:58.199 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 1>locate the bodies.

1041
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Oh, how could you remember all the names and stuff.

1042
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he would have remembered the names.

1043
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's identifying from missing persons reports.

1044
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>To the bodies, right, because I'm.

1045
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Sure he doesn't even know half these people who they

1046
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:15.239
<v Speaker 1>were or even their names nothing. Yeah, he just knows

1047
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:19.679
<v Speaker 1>yet this guy, this was this guy that we got here, right,

1048
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and then it could help link to the missing persons reports.

1049
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure we got this one

1050
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 1>over at the pizza place or something like that.

1051
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1052
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 1>So, on July of nineteen seventy four, the jury deliberated

1053
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.000
<v Speaker 1>for ninety two minutes before finding Elmer guilty of six

1054
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>accounts of murder. For each account, he is ordered to

1055
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:43.800
<v Speaker 1>serve a ninety nine year sentence consecutively, totaling five hundred

1056
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and ninety four years in prison.

1057
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Good.

1058
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 1>He was transferred to the Huntsville Unit to formally begin his.

1059
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Sentence and sorry, when was that? What year was that?

1060
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen seventy four? Oh, okay, he's got a few hundred

1061
00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 1>left to go.

1062
00:56:58.440 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1063
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 1>David came full confession on the evening of August ninth,

1064
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<v Speaker 1>admitting to being present at several killings and assisting in

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<v Speaker 1>several burials, but he denied any direct participation in any murders.

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<v Speaker 2>Liar yep.

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<v Speaker 1>David's trial lasted less than one week. The jury deliberated

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00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 1>for around ninety minutes before they reached the verdict. He

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00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:32.159
<v Speaker 1>was found guilty on March fourth, nineteen seventy four, and

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to life in prison. Good now, both men

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<v Speaker 1>actually did what's it called again when you try to

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<v Speaker 1>get out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of jail, your oh, appeals appeal?

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<v Speaker 1>The word got I left me for a minute there.

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<v Speaker 1>Both men did appeal and both didn't go through David, however,

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<v Speaker 1>David owen Brooks died on May twenty eighth, twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>while still serving his sentence in prison. He had other

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<v Speaker 1>health issues, but in the end he succumbed to COVID nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Really hey, okay, well, it's actually amazing that nothing bad

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00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.960
<v Speaker 2>happened to any of them prior to, because they were

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<v Speaker 2>in jail for something pretty horrific and lots of times. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in jail for something involves children, don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the best of times in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, usually you get beat to death.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's actually amazing that he died of that and

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<v Speaker 2>not something prior to.

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<v Speaker 1>In total, the candy Man had a minimum it's unknown

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00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.239
<v Speaker 1>as total count, but he had a minimum of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven victims.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I feel like there's way more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems low.

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00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:46.480
<v Speaker 1>There were some reports I saw that said twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>minimum twenty eight, but the most common one that I

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00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>found was twenty seven. So I'm going to go with out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, still a ton, but I was honestly expecting

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00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 2>that number to be higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So that is the story of the Candy Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I hate the candy Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just disgusting. Yeah, okay, so he's dead, David's dead,

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00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and Elmer's still just in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, For the next five and fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, huh interesting, I mean I do. I'm glad that

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00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Elmer and David came forward and convest and like helped

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00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.440
<v Speaker 2>with finding these kids and stuff, but still like still

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00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.119
<v Speaker 2>pieces of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to say though, in the end though,

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<v Speaker 1>with Elmer raping his girlfriend, he did that specifically to

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00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.519
<v Speaker 1>gain advantage over over Dean. When the police showed up,

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00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:48.239
<v Speaker 1>all three his friend, his girlfriend, and himself were all

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00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:51.079
<v Speaker 1>sitting on the porch. The gun was sitting down on

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00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the ground for the police to collect when they walked

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<v Speaker 1>up and everything, and Elmer actually told his girlfriend he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I, if I did go ahead with it,

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<v Speaker 1>I could have got two hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>For if I would say that again, if I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead with it, I could have got two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>bucks for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's fucked up heh Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But clearly he didn't go ahead with it, but he

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01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:18.119
<v Speaker 1>did go ahead with a lot of other fucked up shits.

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01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:21.000
<v Speaker 2>So geez the money and like, how was this guy

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<v Speaker 2>making money to pay for that kind of thing.

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01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he was involved in some sort of trafficking ring.

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01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe some of the people that he

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01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>was abducting he was sending off to trafficking ring getting

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01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:35.280
<v Speaker 1>money for it, and he was only taking some for himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe that wasn't even like a full out lie,

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01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:45.719
<v Speaker 2>really very likely brutal. Okay, well yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well next week we got Halloween week coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, maybe, Now I was like, maybe we should do

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<v Speaker 2>a case. It's like, fun, Well, we're not heavy.

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01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:54.639
<v Speaker 1>We're starting with Robert the Doll.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there will be some that aren't like to this

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01:00:57.679 --> 01:00:58.760
<v Speaker 2>heavy level for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't know Robert the Doll, Robert the

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<v Speaker 1>Doll was the literal inspiration for Chucky behind Child's play Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>and at this moment, he is considered the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>haunted doll.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait to hear more

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01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:14.880
<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well until Halloween week next time. Make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you guys follow us on our.

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01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:24.039
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01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.480
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