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Speaker 3: Here is your host, George Hobbs.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to truthseekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast. As we

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record on this Monday, July the seventh, twenty twenty five.

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I hope everyone had a great Independence Day weekend and

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you were able to spend time with your family and

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friends and eat good food and enjoy some fireworks, as

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we certainly did. Had a great weekend. Went out to

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the local baseball team, single A, the Wilmington Blue Rocks.

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Got to watch a game Saturday, very nice time, and

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I hope you had a great weekend as well. As

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we kick off this new week back in the saddle again.

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Just a quick reminder next Tuesday, that is July the fifteenth,

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at eight pm Eastern time, our interview with Scott Charah.

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We will be doing that interview earlier in the day.

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Will be audio and video, so you can either listen

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to the podcast on your normal podcast distributor or you

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can watch the video on our Rumble channel. Links in

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the show notes. Lots to talk about today. We're going

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to reach chapter one from King God Bless America, And

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as previously mentioned, we'll get an update on Scott Shaff's

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case against the medical Industrial Complex. There's a new warning

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out on the label of the COVID jet. Friend of

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the show, Ron Koockle, who was a veteran of the

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USS Liberty, he was on the ship that day in

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nineteen sixty seven, passed away, and we're going to play

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a clip from the interview we did with him in

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April of twenty twenty one, and did Jeffrey Epstein. We're

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going to talk a little bit about Jeffrey Epstein today.

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Did he have something to do with the two thousand

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and eight financial collapse? And did he win the lottery?

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All of that and more on today's edition of The

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Fact Hunter. We're going to get right into it. We're

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going to read chapter one of Can God Bless America?

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John MacArthur's book. You can find it on Amazon for

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less than ten bucks. John makes these pocket books. You

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can literally stick them if you have a cargo pocket

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in your pants. They're real good. And I think he's

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probably around eighty five now, and gentlemen, is full of wisdom,

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and he wrote these books after nine to eleven, So

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chapter one reads his following. One of the more hopeful

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features of our nation's response to the terrorist attacks of

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September eleventh, two thousand and one was an immediate heightening

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of interest in spiritual things. We saw church attendants rising dramatically,

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at least for a few weeks. People talked openly of

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God and wondered aloud if the attacks on Washington and

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New York City held any spiritual or prophetic significance. Was

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God angry with a mayor? Why would he permit such

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a horrific catastrophe? Was there a spiritual message in all

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of this? And what did it mean? Such concerns have

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changed the tone of the national conversation. Life in America

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had suddenly taken a more serious and sober turn. People's

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thoughts have turned naturally to weightier matters.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: They started to ponder instead of being so wrapped up

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in sports and the movies. People started to consider the

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fate of themselves. Multitudes are now approaching life less superficially

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and less frivolously frivolously pardon.

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Speaker 5: Me, and that was long ago, right?

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Speaker 4: You see the football games when they resumed in two

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thousand and one Sammy Sosa hitting that home run in

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the first game back when baseball resumed carrying the flag

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around the bases. We are far from that, right, and

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it's unfortunately that you know, it takes you know, they

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say there's no atheists in prison or the foxholes. It

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takes these type of events to bring us closer to

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God for many people. And it is probably thanks to

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that mood changed, combined with a patriotic fervor that swept

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the nation since the attacks, that the familiar slogan God

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Bless America has been brought out of mothballs and became

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a national rallying cry. That slogan and the music associated

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with it date back to nineteen eighteen, when composer Irving Berlin,

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who was an immigrant from Siberia, penned the song as

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part of a musical review during the difficult days of

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America's involvement in World War One. The song received little

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notice at the time, but in nineteen thirty eight he

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revised it and released it when a new war was

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threatening Europe, which evolved into World War Two. Right He

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said that he conceived the revised edition of the song

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as a plea for peace in an era when most

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Americas were hoping to avert American involvement in yet another

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form war, but the song retained its popularity even after

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America was drawn into World War II. In the minds

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of most Americans, God Bless America became a plea that

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God would bless America's war effort with success, and thus

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the opening songs. The line became quickly fixed with the

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American psyche as both prayer and a patriotic slogan. Today,

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in the wake of the new War on Terrorism, God

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Bless America has once again become something of a national anthem.

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It is still a fitting prayer, and for men, I'm

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sure it's a heartfelt prayer. It would be a mistake

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to dismiss its popularity as nothing more than shallow sentimentality.

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These are dark and difficult times, and most Americans deeply

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sense the need for God's blessing. To a large degree,

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prompted by a desire for his immediate protection. For many,

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Bless America means simply preserve our nation. For others, it

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means something down to earth, as God, don't let me

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die right, don't let our children die, don't let my

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spouse die. And still for others it may mean something

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even more mundane, don't let the stock market drop any

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further or stop the rise in unemployment. In many mouths,

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it's a prayer for the preservation of our nation's freedom

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and prosperity. So when you really look at it, blessing

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then is associated with protection, safety, freedom, and prosperity. So

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in that sense, the slogan perfectly resonates with the current

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mood of the nation. In fact, it expresses popular sentiments

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so well that even the usually vocal atheists and militant

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agnostics have for the most part disappeared into the shadows.

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our good friends the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union

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to actually have God Bless America removed from school boards,

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bulletin boards within the schools, and public marquees. But that

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effort proved so unpopular that it was quickly dropped in

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order to avoid an angry backlash. So not only did

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the acl YOU fail in that matter, it made them

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look pretty bad God's name in the back of public discourse,

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if only for the sake of this slogan. In some

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of the early ceremonies that were commemorating those who died

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in the terrorist attacks, God Bless America was sung alongside

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John Lennon's Imagine song and you've heard me mention on

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this program probably close to fifty times mentioned that John

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Lennon's Imagine, while musically sounding nice lyrically is Marxist and

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goes against what I would assume most people who listen

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to the program their beliefs. Okay, Lenin's lyrics wistfully long

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for a world without religion, without the hope of heaven,

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and without the threat of hell, where people live only

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for today. Right and when you break it down that way,

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Alister Crowley's do what That Will echoes a familiar sentiment right.

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Imagine pleads for the day when everyone will embrace such

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a worldview. John Lennon apparently imagined that nothing would matter

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to anyone in a world like that, and therefore people

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would finally be able to live in perfect harmony. The

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sentiments expressed in Lenin's song are practically the polar opposite

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of those expressed in Irving Berlin's God Bless America and Thankfully,

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God bless America rather than imagine is the song and

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the slogan that has emerged as the rallying cry of

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the American people. The average American cannot imagine a world

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in which there is no God, no religion, no heaven,

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where nothing really matters. If that were indeed the case,

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the terrorist attacks would have not stirred our passions in

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the first place. The vast majority of Americans know in

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their souls and they're conscious that God does indeed exist

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in his blessings is essential to the future peace of

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their lives and the nation. Unfortunately, most Americans are without

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God and therefore without any palpable hope. They affirm the slogan,

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but are ignorant of the God to whom it is addressed.

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You can refer to Acts seventeen twenty two to thirty one.

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Most Americans are, to one agree or another, in a

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state of fear. They're crying out to Heaven for an

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invisible means of support from an invisible God against an

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invisible enemy. Right they hope God is omnipresent, an omnipotent.

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They hope He is interested in their plight. But even

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more urgently, they hope he will have mercy on our nation.

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That's why the cry God bless America is so prevalent

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and so often laden with deep emotion. Will God bless America?

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Can God bless America? Even should God bless America? Or

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is our society on the brink of judgment rather than blessing?

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Are the recent catastrophes merely harbingers of something worse yet

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to come? Given the moral bankruptcy of today's modern society,

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it seems fair to ask such questions. Are we fit

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for blessing? Or has our nation forfeited any claim to

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a divine blessing? If God did bless America, what would

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he be saying about his holiness? What would he be

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saying about our morality? What would he be saying about

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our spiritual condition? Can God bless America without compromising his

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reputation as a holy God? That is the vital question

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we must ask ourselves. Of course, God can always do

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whatever he wants, whenever he wants, But when it comes

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to blessing, he clearly and repeatedly has set down conditions.

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Now listen carefully to the song God Bless America, and

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you will see that there is no verse that identifies

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the conditions for divine blessing. Nor do Americans seem to

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be opening their bibles to trying to find out what

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the conditions are. Right, You don't hear anyone asking God

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what do we need to do to be blessed? In fact,

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to raise that question might be seen by many as

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a serious intrusion.

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Speaker 5: Do the American people.

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Speaker 4: Really want to know the conditions that precede God's blessing?

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The sentiment sometimes seems to be, don't tell us what

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to do, just bless us right, just protect us, Let

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us live our lives right, like as if God were

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not supposed to ask anything of us. Many would prefer

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blessing without any conditions being posed. Just bless us, give

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us protection, give us safety, give us freedom, give us

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more of that prosperity that we enjoy here in America.

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Just don't meddle with our morality, please. And we rarely

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hear anyone today calling people to repentance. In many quarters,

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it's considered bad protocol and bad form to remind people

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that the word of God demands on us. The reproofs,

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the rebukes and exhortations if God's word are simply not

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what most people today want to hear. They don't want

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to tolerate it. Therefore, even some preachers in the pulpits

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avoid mentioning such matters. Sadly, when sin is not confronted,

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sinners do not proceed their need for grace and forgiveness. Frankly,

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in our nation, pardon me, frankly, our nation is in

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no position at the moment to be blessed. We're actually

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more likely to be cursed by God. And this was

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written twenty years ago. And you look where our moral

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compass is today as a whole, not personally, but as

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a whole in this country. So is our prayer for

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blessing futile? I don't believe it is futile, but we

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need to understand that a prayer for divine blessing presupposes

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a willingness to cultivate the conditions under which divine blessings

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can come. What are what are those conditions? Let's turn

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to scripture and investigate the question almost no one is asking.

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James Chapter four, verses seven through ten, gives us a

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list of ten commands that set forth the conditions of

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divine blessing. James addresses his epistle to Christian people and

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he frequently refers to them as my brethren. So some

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commentators have assumed that these ten imperatives apply only to

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believers rather than to the unbelievers who have never been

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born again, But that misses the point. This list of

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directives is addressed to sinners and the double minded if

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you look at verse eight, and those terms are normally

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used in scripture to describe unredeemed people. So James is

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evidently concerned that some in his audience are not truly redeemed.

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He calls them adulters and adultresses, and he warns them

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that friendship with the world is enmity to God. Now,

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apparently he believes some of these people, though professing to

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be believers, had never been truly been born again. Okay,

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and this is the point where many Christians miss the boat.

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details the outlines for what true repentance demands of them.

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Submit to God, Resist the devil and he will flee

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from you. Draw near to God and he will draw

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near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, Purify your hearts.

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You double minded, lament and mourn and weep. Let your

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laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom.

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Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he

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will fit. He will lift you up. So in the

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first ten commands it is submit, and James uses a

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Greek urn that actually has military overtones. Right, it speaks

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of compliance with the will of someone at a higher rank.

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He employs a passive form, indicating that our submission to

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he speaks of Jesus's boyhood's submission to his parents. Paul

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uses it of the believer's duty to submit to governmental authority,

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which is something that we can have a long discussion about.

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You just don't openly submit to government authority no matter

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what it is. It must be in line with God's words. Okay,

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So no just because your state says that abortion is legal,

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that you should support abortion. There's some great, great sermons

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on Romans thirteen and authority to the government, and if

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anybody wants a copy of those sermons, email me and

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I will send you the links. So it carries the

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connotation of acquisentsnce that voluntary compliance to an authority of

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one is obligated to submit in the first place, our

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duty to God begins with a recognition of his right

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to rule over us, so that a genuine repentance always

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produces a submissive attitude. You can see where this is going, right.

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The person who truly embraces Christ as savior will also

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submit to Him as Lord. So no one can expect

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God's blessing while harboring rebellion or resentment against God in

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the heart. Okay, you just can't say God bless America

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while walking away with you know, walking away from God

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with your back turn to him. God has a right

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to demand our full obedience, and those who wilfully and

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liberately defy his authority as a pattern of life cannot

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legitimately claim to have faith in Him. That means his

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word must be the ultimate authority in our lives. So

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those who want God's blessing must submit to his commands.

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We cannot plead for divine blessing if our minds and

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hearts remain defiant toward His word. And this next section

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is very interesting. It's resist the devil, and American society,

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unfortunately by large, is characterized by resistance to God's standards,

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yet tolerance to the devils. In fact, most of our

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society's values in recent years have been shaped by the

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Devil's agenda. The problem is becoming worse every single years.

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Our culture becomes more and more brazen in rejecting God

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of scripture and embracing embracing the devil's worldview. To cite

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just one example from pop culture, What's It? Sixty years

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ago Ozzie Nelson and Family portrayed the average American household

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on television, But today the highest rated cable television program

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in history features heavy metal rocker Ozzy Osbourne and his

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quintessential dysfunctional family. Which is funny this worrieding this today

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because just two days ago, right, he had his eighteenth

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farewell concert and was all over social media. But few

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realize that when The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet was

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on the air in the fifties and sixties, but Ozzie

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Nelson was a committed atheist. He actually revealed his atheism

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and an autobiography published in the seventies. But the fifties

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sitcom wasn't overly anti Cristchristian, of course, but God was

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conspicuously absent from Nelson's family life. Ozzy Osbourne, on the

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other hand, makes no secret of his infatuation with Satan,

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and that is plainly reflected in his family's lifestyle. The

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road from Ozzie Nelson to Ozzy Osbourne perfectly illustrates how

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bold society has become in overtly promoting evil and the

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agenda of the evil one that is the drift of

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American culture. People who truly desire God's blessing must resist

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the devil and his schemes. That means, before we have

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a right to expect God to bless us, we must

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turn away from the evil that hinders that blessing. And

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for many Americans Christians included that for major changers, major

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changes pardon me in lifestyles and interest. Continuing on, as

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previously mentioned, we are going to have Scott Scharah on

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the podcast next Tuesday. This is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

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Scott and his family's lawsuit got major coverage across the

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news and on social media. It was one of it

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was a first for this type of lawsuit. And again

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this story is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel from two

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weeks ago. After deliberating for only two hours, a jury

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in out of Gamy Circuit County Court in Appleton Wisconsin,

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on June nineteenth, decided in favor of Ascension in the

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high profile wrongful death case involving the twenty twenty one

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death of a nineteen year old patient at an Ascension

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hospital in Appleton. Grace Chara, who was nineteen, died October thirteenth,

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twenty twenty one, seven days after she was admitted to

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the Ascension Northeast Saint Elizabeth Hospital for symptoms of COVID

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nineteen Scott Scherah, her father, sued the hospital a year

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and a half later in a wrongful death case that

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included claims of medical negligence, violation of informed consent, and

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initially battery. The family argued that Grace died from a

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drug overdose from presidex, lazepam and morpheme as a result

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of an illegal do not resuscitate order and again just

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in a matter of hours. Unfortunately, the jury disagreed, and

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of the thirteen claims answered by the jury and the verdict,

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only two of them had a dissenter and there was

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only one dissentier for each of the two claims. So

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a civil case, which unlike a criminal case, doesn't require

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a unanimous verdict based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead,

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ten of twelve jurors needed to agree on each claim

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based on the preponderance of evidence. Scott Grace's father said, quote, Personally,

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of course, I'm disappointed, but God knew this was going

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to no. He knew the verdict before we ever stepped

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foot into the court, so we know God's will was done,

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even though we're personally disappointed. He did hold a press

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conference the following day. I think it was outside of

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his home and it I don't if you followed the case,

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there were some very slanderous statements again that were made

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against Scott. I think most people knew going in that

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he didn't have a chance, and it not because of

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a lack of evidence, just because you know, the medical,

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the oil, the bankers that aren't defeated. They just don't

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lose in these things. This st also, you know the suit,

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I should say, sought a declaratory judgment from Judge Mark McGinnis,

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stating the quote do not resuscitate ordering question and non

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consensual injection of certain drugs and a Grace's body were

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in violation of the hospital's policies and procedures, so they

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were looking to hold the hospital accountable for giving, you know,

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medicines to Grace that the family said not to use.

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So you need to understand that when it's really a

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sad state that when you take a family member to

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a hospital, in many cases, they're not going to listen

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to what you say. They're not going to listen to

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your wishes. And again it's a shame, but I think

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everyone knew going in in the back of their minds

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that this he had no chance of winning.

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Speaker 5: And that's the sad reality to it.

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Speaker 4: He also sought to change the cause of death on

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Grace's death certificate from acute respiratory failure within hypoxia as

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a result of COVID nineteen pneumonia to drug overdose from

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precedex lorazepam morpheme as a result of an illegal do

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not resuscitate order. Before the start of closing arguments on

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June nineteenth, McGinnis read the eighteen page verdict form to jurors,

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but he did not include the battery charge. And again,

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you have judges, most judges in this the high judges

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in this county, our part, they're either freemasons or skull

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and bones or something like that. They are not going

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to trip up those in powerful places. Right, So a

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lot more next week you'll hear the full story and

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where they're headed next, Where does the Sheriff family go

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from here? So again, our thoughts and our prayers are

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with the Sheriff family as they start the next chapter.

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You know, you never get over the loss of a child,

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especially in this manner. So looking forward to our conversation

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next week with mister Scott Share. Back in April of

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twenty twenty one, I had the pleasure of interviewing USS

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Liberty survivor Ron Kockle, just an awesome guy. He passed

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away on June twenty first, just a few weeks ago,

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in his home, at the age of eighty five. He

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was born in Rushville, Nebraska, on October fifteenth, nineteen thirty nine.

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He graduated from Rushville High School in nineteen fifty seven.

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He went on to serve in the Navy from nineteen

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sixty one to nineteen sixty seven, working for the NSA

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as a communication technician and supervisor, and of course, his

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last duty was aboard the USS Liberty. On June eighth,

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nineteen sixty seven. He was a first Class Petty Officer.

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He was awarded the Purple Heart, the National Defense Service Medal,

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the Navy Good Conduct Medal, the Navy Presidential Unit Citation,

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and the Combat Action Ribbon. He was given a special

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ceremony by his shipmates as an honorary Chief Petty Officer

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in Kalispell, Montana. And he also co authored the book

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with Phil Turney and Philip Nelson called Remember the Liberty.

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And I'm going to play about a twenty minute clip

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from our interview, a little classic audio from our own

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podcast from over four years ago, and again, rest in

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peace to USS Liberty Survival Ron Kuckle. And here is

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a portion of the interview I did with him in

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April of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: And I hope that we will get in the area

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of as we talk today about what I feel the

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Church in general has done to this country. And I'm

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very upset with him. Now. I'm not Christ, by no

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means that I certainly understand why Christ called the church

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out and relations of the things they were doing wrong,

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because I'm sure he would call them out again today

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because of from the very fact that they closed during

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the pandemic. Church has never closed, they should never close

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for anything like that, and they have done a lot

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of things over the years that I look back from

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a small child when I went to Sunday School in

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a little town where I grew up in the western

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part of Nebraska, the Panhandle, and all the things I

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was taught there, and all things I was taught, and

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a few of the churches I would recommend. I know

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I'm jumping in this pretty fast, but I want to

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make sure I get it across. I do not understand

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why the church has not taught all the Bible, not

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just what tickles their ears. And I used to hear

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that from people on congregation. I'd say, oh, great sermon today,

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and someone will always say the same thing, why is

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it ron you think it's a great sermon? And I

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tell them why, and they say, well, it's just too bad.

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But they don't teach nothing more than what tickles their ears.

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And I used to just overlook that. Well, I don't

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look overlooking anymore because the church in general does not

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teach all the Bible, and there's certain things that I

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never heard sermons on. So well, I'm not one to

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hold a grudge, but if I was to make a recommendation,

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I'd say, why don't you just teach all of it,

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not just what you like to hear.

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Speaker 5: And I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 4: There's some churches that just I know, preacher sit down

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and they just write, they don't really reference the Bible

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and their speeches. And then you have the ones that

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will preach ninety percent out of revelations, the fear mongering,

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and you're right, they should read the entire scripture because

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you know, from Genesis to Revelations, that's all, every last.

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Speaker 5: Bit of it is important, the beginning to the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from the history part and the Old Testament all

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the way to the New Covenant, you know. And I'm

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not the greatest Bible scholar in the world. Where I'm

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coming from is simply on June eighth, nineteen sixty seven,

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after we said I've being from going to the bottom,

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what was meant to happen was supposed to happen. I

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kept asking myself questions after questions after questions for years,

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and I looked back and I kept saying to myself,

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why why are we still here? Why? Well, we're here

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because God ordained it, and because it was a divine

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intervention that kept that ship from going to the bottom.

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And I never really understood why until I started looking

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even more deeply into the Bible. And then I found

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Pastor Chuck Baldwin, who has a Liberty Fellowship, Yes it's

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called Liberty Fellowship in Callous Belle, Montana, and he began

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to explain to me a lot of things that I

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just didn't know. And believe me, when the Bible says

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in Revelations to nine, beware those who call themselves Jews

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and are not, it's not kidding. It's there for a reason.

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And so I do keep these kind of things in

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mind when I even when I do an interview like this,

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it's back to the same thing. Maybe the Church would

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do well to teach all the Bible.

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Speaker 4: Could not agree more, could not agree more. And that's

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something I really want to get to. But first, could

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you give folks a little bit of your background where

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you grew up and then were you drafted or did

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you volunteer? And how did you end up on the

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liberty that day? What brought you to that day?

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a little in a little town

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called Rushville, Nebraska. I think there's about twelve hundred and

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twenty people there from remember correctly, and I grew up

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in I would say, the lower part of a middle

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class family. I was an only child, and I got

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through high school, and I was really a maverick. I'm

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not a just a you know, a wild kid. My

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mother was suffered from rheumatward arthritis, and if she wanted

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to disclose me, discipline me, she never could get the

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job done because he could never catch me. But there's

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just a lot of things that went on that that

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I that that directed me. I guess you might steak

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to enlistment into the United States Navy. And my mother

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00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,199
just told me one day. I was I was working

477
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,400
in a gas station and and uh, living at home,

478
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,519
and she just told me one day, she says, you know,

479
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,199
I got You're not going to live here the rest

480
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,519
of your life, and you're not going to work in

481
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,400
a gas station the rest of your life. And she

482
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,760
may be so angry. I went straight down to the

483
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,639
courthouse and I enlisted in the United States Navy and

484
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,280
I was gone within ten days.

485
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 5: Wow.

486
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: And that's how it all had happened, as far as

487
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:07,519
you know, getting into the United States Navy. And believe me,

488
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:12,400
those people back in those days grew me up from

489
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,840
a wild, wayward boy, teenage boy to a man in

490
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,199
nine weeks. That's what they did back then. I know

491
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,119
it doesn't happen nowadays, but back then I was taught

492
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:28,559
disaplunted and taught it in ways that I'm even going

493
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,559
to try to describe here. But when I was done

494
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:35,719
after nine weeks and went back home, my mother was

495
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,440
absolutely amazed. She said, what have they done to you?

496
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,119
And they they taught me one thing I guess I

497
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,239
can remember correctly, and when they say they're gonna punish,

498
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:50,639
they do punish. So it got my attention, and that's

499
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,440
all I needed to happen to me. So I am

500
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,320
so proud of the United States Navy back then. I'm

501
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,599
not so sure right now, but back then it was

502
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,599
it just grew you up. It threw you up, and

503
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:09,639
so I decided to make a career. And they showed

504
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:11,719
me some things that I was capable of that I

505
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,599
didn't even know I was capable of absolutely, and I

506
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,920
transferred or transgressed. I don't want transgressed now. I went

507
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,480
up through the ranks fairly fast, the enlisted men dranks,

508
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,639
and then I found out I could become an officer

509
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,039
if I kept working at it. So I went from

510
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:36,280
a third class, which I was the only third class

511
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:43,199
in my in my group and in school in Imperial Beach, California.

512
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,280
And so it happened fast, and I then I began

513
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,079
to realize how fast I could I could do things.

514
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,880
And then I went to second class. I flunk the

515
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,039
first time I did the first class test, but then

516
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,320
I realized that I did have to study once so long.

517
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,199
So I made first class, and when I wanted went

518
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,719
on to the US celebrity. I was a first class

519
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,400
communications technician, ready to go up for chief, uh master

520
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:14,239
chief or chief and then on the master chief. And Uh,

521
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,119
I was ready for the test when the attack happened.

522
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,639
I'd had all my things done, I had the time

523
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,440
and grade, the practical factors that needed to be done.

524
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,159
And I couldn't take the test on the ship. I

525
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,840
had to wait till we got back to Norfork. Well,

526
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,440
we never got back to Norfork.

527
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

528
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: I ended up. I was all about well, that's another

529
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,280
this is another part of the story. But I ended

530
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,719
up in a medical condition that I just had to

531
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,639
get out, so as I was honorably discharged, not medically discharged,

532
00:37:51,679 --> 00:38:00,159
but honorably well. Back then, they had no idea what

533
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,039
postumatic spress disorder was good. That was not even an

534
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,079
entity back then. That wasn't in the diagnostic manual for

535
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,000
any sure many fo cocer and whatsoever. And then I

536
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:19,199
had a low back injury, which back then there were

537
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,880
really no uh excuse me, diagnostic procedures to even determine

538
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,079
what to do with it. Excuse me, I'm sorry, but anyway,

539
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:35,960
so there was really nothing apparent to them. So I

540
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,840
got the honorable discharge, and.

541
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 5: So on that morning. Uh what, revelly is probably six am,

542
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,159
right when you're on the boat.

543
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:56,039
Speaker 3: Uh, six am, Well, that's let's see. Yeah. I got

544
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,960
out of my rack around six or whatever it is,

545
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:04,480
and into when I sat in towards the showers. There's

546
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,480
a lot of men around me that worked in my division.

547
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,039
We're in my department. I was a supervisor in one

548
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:14,199
of the departments, and they were telling me of the

549
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,000
of the planes that were the reconnaissance planes that were

550
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,960
flying around the ship. Now I wasn't top side, so

551
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,920
I can't describe it as well as i'd like to

552
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:27,719
because I wasn't top side. I went to I went

553
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,760
to child and I went to work, and I just

554
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,000
ignored it because I told these guys, I think, yeah,

555
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:34,559
one of them told me that one of them had

556
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,360
to start David Marketson. I said, well, if it does,

557
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:43,000
then don't worry about it. Yeah, they're friendly, so I said,

558
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:44,760
just go to work and don't worry about it, right,

559
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,639
And I still kept getting reports of that all morning

560
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,000
long up until I want top side again for chow at.

561
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,480
I don't know. It was around eleven eleven thirty. I

562
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:01,519
did go out on the deck and I did look around,

563
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,519
and what I saw myself personally, was we had a

564
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:12,840
lot of planes flying above us. I think they were

565
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,760
back then. I'm not an air Force person. I think

566
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,920
they were called a flying box card. That's what they

567
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,840
looked like to me anyway, And so I could see

568
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,719
them why and high above us, and I I'm sure

569
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,159
they were that was who they are. Who they were

570
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,079
is a little bit vague to me right now, but

571
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,400
I do remember one of one of the men who

572
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,559
was a pilot on one of those planes saying that

573
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:49,800
they were surveillance planes doing pretty much the same thing

574
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,679
that the Liberty was doing and keeping an eye on us.

575
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,199
So I guess we had our own planes up there.

576
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,760
That's that's here, that's what I hear. It's not something

577
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,800
that I really know for sure, but I can tell

578
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,360
you is what I saw with my own eyes. And

579
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,760
that was as I said. I think they were called

580
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,400
to see one thirty if I remember correctly.

581
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 5: Oh, okay, yes, he went thirty. Gotcha? Gotcha?

582
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

583
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and your Commander William McGonagall. From the most part

584
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,280
from the research I've done, most people, I mean, nobody

585
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,440
really has a bad word to say about him.

586
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 5: Did you have really much interaction with him?

587
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: Quite a little bit, As a matter of fact, on

588
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,039
my website on Facebook, I do have him pictured with me. H.

589
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,440
He had just he had to see. He was at

590
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,920
a reunion. He was wearing his Congressional middle of honor,

591
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,239
which he made it very apparent to all the crew

592
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,239
that we all deserved a part of that Congressional Middle

593
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,599
of honor, certainly, And he was well. He took a

594
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,239
photo with me after he got done speaking, and I

595
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,920
had to ask him I wanted to know which part

596
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,480
of the metal belonged to me, and it musted him

597
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:06,880
up so much. He's still smiling in that picture, and

598
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,920
he still had a sense of humor after all the

599
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,639
stuff of the happmzing Captain McGonagall was who he was.

600
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,960
I think he was put in a really bad position

601
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:20,039
where he didn't know which way to carry it. And

602
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:21,679
that's about all I can say about that.

603
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I completely get that. And I heard he

604
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,840
took care of you guys where it is. On Sundays,

605
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,679
you guys would have barbecues up on the deck.

606
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: That's right. We have an outdoor barbecue every Sunday. Every Sunday,

607
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,880
we got to fish off the fantail when we weren't

608
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,880
when we aren't working. He was very, very aware of

609
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,679
the needs of the men aboard ship. He was very

610
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,239
staunch about having general practice general quarters. He did that.

611
00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,599
We did that a lot. Actually, we did a general

612
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,559
quarters practice one hour before the ship got hit that day.

613
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:08,239
That styles stern and staunch. He was about making sure

614
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,280
we are ready for whatever might happen.

615
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,519
Speaker 4: And that's one reason I would tell my soldiers. I

616
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:16,559
did four tours of Iraq and we did some pretty

617
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,639
hard training and they would be tired. And I was like, listen,

618
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,559
if if you don't do this, if you're introduced to

619
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,159
a high level of stress for the first time in combat,

620
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,320
you're not going to know what to do. And the

621
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,760
first time we got hit by an IED, you could

622
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,880
tell the training paid off. Everybody did what they were

623
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,880
supposed to do. And that's what I keep telling these

624
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,800
leaders today. And when I retired, I said, if you

625
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,519
soften up on these soldiers, you're you might be mister

626
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,320
nice guy today, but you're going to cost them their

627
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,599
lives tomorrow. That's the reason why training is so important,

628
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:51,400
and you have to you have to keep political correctness

629
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,159
out of the military altogether.

630
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I guess

631
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,440
you could call them military sort of a dictatorship, but

632
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:05,039
then that takes a case. It needs to be absolutely

633
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,159
I can remember one incident during the attack or just

634
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,440
after the attack, that after I'd gotten out of that

635
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:18,239
torpedoed compartment, I was heading towards the main deck and

636
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,559
one of the officers, the lieutenant George Golden, who was

637
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,960
Jewish by the way, gave me an order to turn

638
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,199
around and go back down to make sure everybody had

639
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,440
gotten out. And I'll tell you what, I was between

640
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,519
myself and a hard place on that, and I didn't

641
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,719
want to go back down there yet. An order is

642
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,400
an order, So I went back down and then I

643
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,239
checked to see if anybody, make sure everybody got out

644
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,760
and come back up and report it to him. And

645
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,679
that's the training, that's the rigidus of it all.

646
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 5: But it's what needs to be absolutely absolutely so.

647
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 4: When it first started, because it kind of came in

648
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,440
two waves, if I I recall correctly, it was first

649
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,239
air and a lot of people seemed to think that

650
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,360
that maybe the ship had run aground or something that

651
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,360
was going on, and then the torpado, the torpedoes came afterwards.

652
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:17,679
Speaker 3: Correct, that's correctly. The planes came first. I think they

653
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,159
were Mirage jets, yes, sir, I remember correctly, And I

654
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,639
was down below. I was two decks down below in

655
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,599
my my work space. And actually when the first tap

656
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:30,639
and came across, that had no idea what it was.

657
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:35,599
I related it to a if you ever been in

658
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,639
a hailstorm in your whole life, and you can can

659
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:40,519
hear that stuff hitting the roof on top of you,

660
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,679
especially a ten roof. That's about what it sounded like

661
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,480
to me. But I didn't have any idea, and I

662
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,039
did think we'd run the ground. I made every excuse

663
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:53,199
I could to myself to you know, come up with

664
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,280
some kind of explanation of why what was happening was happening.

665
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,400
So yeah, and that lasted for about a half hour

666
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,800
to forty five minutes. The strafing would come and then

667
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,400
you'd hear some moments of silence, and then it would

668
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,079
come again, and it come again and come again. Well,

669
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:16,559
that strafing killed nine men top side.

670
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:21,679
Speaker 4: And then how do you feel that the command and

671
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:28,519
control was communication being effectively being disseminated across or was

672
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:29,639
there a lot of confusion?

673
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,679
Speaker 3: It's a good question. Probably other guys could answered a

674
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,079
lot better than I. The captain cutting over the one MC,

675
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:47,400
which was the ship's intercom, and said to prepare for

676
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,519
a torpedo attack. Well, actually we had already prepared. All

677
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:54,440
the watertight doors were closed, and we were ready for

678
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,000
whatever eventuality was going to happen.

679
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:03,599
Speaker 5: Now at this point, I'm sorry, go ahead, sir.

680
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,519
Speaker 3: Well, I just I was saying. I think the communication

681
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,880
was was quite was good, it was very very good.

682
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,480
The captain had made sure we were trained well, and

683
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:16,440
we were that's great.

684
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,639
Speaker 4: And then at that point before the torpedo said was

685
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,199
there did anybody know who it was at this point

686
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:22,920
or was it still?

687
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,519
Speaker 5: Who in the hell is attacking us.

688
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 3: Nobody really knew because they attacked us with on marked planes.

689
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,039
The reconnaissance plans that morning were marked with the Star

690
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,119
of David, but the ones they attacked with were on

691
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:45,400
marked nobody knew. And and really I'm one of these

692
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,679
people that really didn't have a clue. The only thing

693
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:56,239
that I was exposed to that was the torpedo and

694
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,440
I think I was probably fifty to sixty foot from

695
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:00,480
want of these floated.

696
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 5: And actually, if I recall, was it what four or

697
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,840
five torpedoes were fired?

698
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,079
Speaker 6: Right?

699
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 5: But only one hit? Is that correct?

700
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: That's correct?

701
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 7: Yeah?

702
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 5: Thank god.

703
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,519
Speaker 3: The thing I like to make very apparent here is

704
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:21,760
that it is my personal opinion that the world will

705
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,440
sent a message on that day in the world that

706
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,960
ignored it. That message was pretty simple. Well, people were

707
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:36,800
attackiness who claimed to be the chosen were no more

708
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,679
chosen than I was, and they would be the reason

709
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,320
that ship stayed to float is because God ordained it.

710
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:47,400
I might tell you that seconds before the torpedo hit,

711
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,559
about probably five to ten seconds before, I was flat

712
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,920
on the deck with my nose to the steel. And

713
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,719
I don't even know how I got there, but I

714
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,639
do know this that just before when the captain came

715
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:05,079
across the one MC and said to prepare for a

716
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,920
torpedo attack. I knew we'd already prepared as much as

717
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,679
we could, so I went to prayer. I went to

718
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,400
my equipment, stood bad and went to prayer, and I

719
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:19,320
asked the Lord to spare my life. I promised him

720
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,440
things that I would never be able to accomplish. But

721
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,719
I guess I was pretty scared, and I thought my

722
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,559
life was over with. I got done with the prayer,

723
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:32,760
went back to my desk and was standing there, and

724
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,880
please don't want anybody call for a straight jacket, because

725
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,119
this is what happened. I heard a voice. I don't

726
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,079
know if anybody else heard it, and that voice said

727
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,440
get down and get down. Now. I have no idea

728
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,119
where it came from. Well I do now. I have

729
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,599
an opinion before it came from. And I know that

730
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,239
I didn't move fast enough. And I have no idea

731
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,559
how I got from standing straight up up by my

732
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,119
desk to my nose flat to the steel deck. I

733
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:06,559
don't know how I got there at all, but that happened,

734
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,039
and I think it happened about three seconds or maybe

735
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:17,400
four before the explosion. Occurred. So somehow, some way, which

736
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,800
I believe was divine and eventually again got me from

737
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,280
standing straight up the flat, on my flat, on my belly,

738
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,320
on the deck of my nose to the steel deck.

739
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,000
The explosive occurred. I could hear the shraft of flying

740
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:36,000
through the air above my head, and what I didn't

741
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:40,599
know until now or til recently, is that it killed

742
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:46,360
almost everyone in that compartment around me except me. That's incredible,

743
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,760
and so it's a miracle. So it's exactly, it's an

744
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,079
a miracle. God ordained it that I was going to live,

745
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,000
and I'm probably living even to this day because I'm

746
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:02,280
doing exactly what was expected to me because I did.

747
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: Live, and that leads me to beg how would the

748
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,239
world be different if the Liberty did sync that day?

749
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:14,679
Speaker 3: Well, I think the idea was and again this is

750
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,840
pure conjecture on my part, but there's certainly been a

751
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,320
lot of information to back it up. Had the Liberty

752
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,519
gone to the bottom, it would have been blamed on

753
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,079
Cairo and then they would have been attacked the whole

754
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,320
Egypt would have been attacked by the United States, maybe

755
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,880
because our carriers were close by the America. The Saratoga.

756
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,039
I think that was the idea. Can't prove it, but

757
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,559
there's certainly been enough information come in over the last

758
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,480
fifty some years which certainly backs up.

759
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: So this was not to be the Gulf of Tonkin

760
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:57,159
two point zero then, right.

761
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,079
Speaker 3: I would guess so, oh, I guess yes, my commander

762
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,199
my department had, Dave Lewis, I think would back me

763
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,559
up every bit on this. I think you're going to

764
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,159
interview him, right, I.

765
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 5: Believe he is the other gentleman I have lined up.

766
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:19,039
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, well Dave. I certainly knew a lot more

767
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:23,840
about what was happening Lewis than I did, and he

768
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:28,679
he it's just absolutely incredible that he was not He

769
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,000
was down there where the explosion was also, and he

770
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:35,400
had a piece of the ship, part of the hall

771
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,559
or whatever it was wrapped around him. I guess he

772
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:42,360
said he kind of protected him familiar further damage. And

773
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:46,679
you should have seen his his faces all park marked.

774
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:50,119
He was, it was strappednel all over the place. That

775
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,440
didn't happen to me. I don't think I had an answer.

776
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:57,079
Shrapnel in me essentially because I was flat on the

777
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:01,599
deck when the explosion occurred. After the explosion heard I

778
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,159
was about shoulder shoulder. The depth of the water is

779
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:10,639
about decide where my shoulders were, and getting out of

780
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:12,840
there was quite a little bit of a problem. But

781
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:15,400
I did get to the to the ladder that led

782
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,320
to the deck up above, and as I said, I

783
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,599
headed towards the main deck to get outside to get

784
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:25,280
some air, and Lieutenant George Golden turned me around with

785
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,159
an order to go back down and make sure everybody

786
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,880
got out. After everybody got out again, I'm talking about

787
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,199
an another miracle. After I got outside on the top

788
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,079
on the deck and all the guys that had escaped,

789
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,719
the torpedo explosion and what happened down there, and the

790
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,920
shrap and the bullets that they had armor person bullets

791
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,559
that we could also got some of us. Philip Turney,

792
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:55,679
who was a shipfitter third class, was watching this guys

793
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:59,239
slapping each other on the bag, safing each other's hands,

794
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,079
and just tickled me death to get out of there.

795
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,199
And he said, Ron, you have any idea of what

796
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,079
was happening around you? And I said, well, we were

797
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,519
just happy to get out of there. Well, they said

798
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:12,239
they were still firing at the ship. Took to tell

799
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,280
their machine guns and those bullets were flying all over

800
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,639
the place around you guys, and you guys would just

801
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,760
stand out there, just shaking hands like he didn't even

802
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,960
know what was happening. So again, another miracle. If I

803
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,920
could tell this whole world, if I could tell the

804
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:37,039
President of the United States, we are only here because

805
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,719
God ordained it. And I can't say it enough. I've

806
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,760
seen the power of God. I know exactly what can

807
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,719
happen if we go against him. And I just sit

808
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,480
here and I want to I just want to scream

809
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:53,880
the world, why can't you wake up? Don't mess with

810
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:54,880
the power of God.

811
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 5: And there you go.

812
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 4: That is mister Ron Koko, who passed away on June

813
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:06,400
twenty first, twenty twenty five, at the age of eighty five,

814
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:12,400
a survivor of the USS Liberty incident on the research

815
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,639
ship USS Liberty that was fired upon by Israeli Air

816
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,360
Force jet fighters and torpedo boats on June the eighth,

817
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:25,599
nineteen sixty seven, that killed thirty four US service members

818
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,760
and wounded one hundred and seventy one. And good luck

819
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,920
finding that in your high school textbook.

820
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,119
Speaker 5: So there you go.

821
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,119
Speaker 4: Our hearts go out to Ron and his family, friends

822
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:41,800
and his fellow shipmates of the USS Liberty Let's continue on.

823
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,119
The FDA announces new safety warning on all mRNA COVID

824
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:51,559
vaccines citing extremely high risk of myocarditis and long term

825
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,360
heart damage in young men. The US Food and Drug

826
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:01,840
Administration has formally updated the safety labeling on all mRNA

827
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,159
COVID nineteen vaccines to reflect what many Americans have been

828
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:10,960
warning about for years, a disturbingly high risk of myocarditis,

829
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:15,239
particularly in young men, and the possibility of long term,

830
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,639
irreversible heart damage. The revised warnings apply to both fivers

831
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:27,960
Pardonate Pfizer's Comedy and Moderna's Spikevax, both of those vaccines,

832
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:32,639
and follow months of mounting pressure over transparency and accountability

833
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,960
regarding the true risks of these experimental injections. The update

834
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,559
stems from new studies and data showing persistent cardiac abnormalities

835
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:49,079
months after vaccination, especially those males aged twelve to twenty

836
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,079
four now. During a presentation of the new FDA safety

837
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:56,840
data on Tuesday, doctor Vine Prosad, director for the Center

838
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,599
of Biologics Evaluation and Research, Chief Medical and Scientific Officer

839
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:06,119
heck of a Title, walked the public through the harrowing

840
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:11,280
evidence behind the label change. And you can find that speech.

841
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,400
It's on YouTube, it's on Twitter. Not going to play

842
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,079
that today. Prosad detailed how the FDA data reveals a

843
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:24,920
myocarditis rate of twenty seven per million in young men,

844
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:31,360
a figure that experts say is significantly underreported due to

845
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:37,079
passive surveillance methods and political suppression of adverse event reports.

846
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:42,719
And we know that the actual rates are maybe one

847
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,559
to ten percent of the actual rates, right, many of

848
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:54,159
these do not get correctly reported. More troubling, doctor Prisad

849
00:57:54,320 --> 00:58:00,559
cited late gandalinium enhancement LGE on cardiac MRIs as proof

850
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:08,199
of sustained and potentially irreversible myocardial Try that again, irreversible

851
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:14,679
mayocardial injury. According to Prisad, in one FDA funded study,

852
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:20,119
sixty percent of patients who suffered post vaccine myocarditis still

853
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:26,679
showed signs of LGE five months later. After both denying

854
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,639
and downplaying the risks for years, the FDA is finally

855
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,519
requiring both Pfizer and Maderna to update their prescribing information,

856
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:41,079
adverse reaction sections, and fact sheets for patients and caregivers.

857
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:46,960
So pardon me, listen We have been warning our listeners

858
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:52,000
for five years the evils of the vaccine industries. At anytime,

859
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:58,800
the medical industry, you know, when it becomes a business, listen,

860
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:04,039
they care more about their shareholders than they care about.

861
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 5: The patients.

862
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:11,719
Speaker 4: And that's not to say that the doctors, like those

863
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,639
in the middle between the patients and the medical industrial complex,

864
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,760
that they don't care. It is that the medical system

865
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,840
was hijacked by the Rockefellers one hundred years ago, and

866
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:26,480
the pseudoscience that they are using today is used to

867
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:31,000
market it. These annual vaccines and these you know, just

868
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:36,440
tons of vaccines at earth, and it's harrowing to see

869
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,119
just over the last thirty years. And many people cite

870
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:41,559
Ronald Reagan is the greatest president ever. He was the

871
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:45,800
one responsible for just letting the worms out of the

872
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,400
can with the National Childhood but what's it called the

873
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,800
National Childhood Vaccine Act of nineteen eighty six, something like that,

874
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,920
and the vaccine schedule went through the roof. But it's

875
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,039
just a coincidence that all these autism ADHD and everything

876
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:06,480
else is skyrocket. That's just a coincidence, you silly conspiracy theorists, right,

877
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,639
So there you go. You know, we've been what do

878
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:14,760
we say, what's the difference between a conspiracy theory and

879
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,039
the truth? Anywhere from six months to four years, depending

880
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:21,880
on the conspiracy theory. So again, we live in a

881
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,079
world that is ruled by Satan, right, if you want

882
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:32,840
to break down vocabulary and what that means. Right, But

883
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,480
he is the prince of this air, and you have

884
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,760
to every single thing that comes upon your television and

885
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,480
your newspaper and your website and social media.

886
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 5: You need to take the time to break it down.

887
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 3: Right.

888
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 4: We've been doing this for four years and we still

889
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,880
haven't run out of conspiracy. Five years and we still

890
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,400
haven't run out of conspiracy theories.

891
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 3: Right.

892
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 4: Air quotes conspiracy theories every single day. You have to

893
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:04,239
navigate a landmine, you know, a minefield I should say,

894
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:09,079
of evil, and to turn your back and pretend that

895
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:13,360
there's no evil out there is careless and you're throwing

896
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,559
your out there, throwing yourself out there at your own risk.

897
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,400
So let's put a rap on today's episode with the

898
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:25,679
main event, and that is Jeffrey Epstein. So the first

899
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,840
question one must ask when we come across Jeffrey Epstein

900
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,360
is what was his role.

901
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 5: Truly about.

902
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:36,239
Speaker 4: Most people can agree that he was a pedophile, but

903
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,320
that was that's the very exterior layer to this onion,

904
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,519
but a heinous one at that.

905
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:43,039
Speaker 3: Right.

906
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,719
Speaker 4: That's not just to say, oh he was just that's

907
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:51,480
just the very beginning of it. Every single person of power, yes,

908
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,920
including Donald Trump, Prince Andrew.

909
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:56,079
Speaker 5: There's photos of.

910
01:01:56,199 --> 01:02:02,079
Speaker 4: Many famous powerful people and both he and Kaslaine Maxwell's photos,

911
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,840
the Clintons, all of these people. And it's because if

912
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,679
you're going to be on the world stage, if you're

913
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:09,760
going to be an actor on the world stage, you

914
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,559
have to punch your card. And the only way to

915
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:15,440
do that is to be controlled by an entity that

916
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:20,440
is coincidentally related to the USS liberty a incident, okay,

917
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,920
and the one that is labeled Israel of today and

918
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,480
the one that is in the Bible are.

919
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,559
Speaker 5: Two completely different entities.

920
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: And until people can truly understand that, and in a

921
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,880
large part going back to the very first thing we

922
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,159
talked about with God Bless America by John MacArthur, until

923
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:42,719
the church can realize that we're going to continue to

924
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,199
feed this evil and that's the truth. But Jeffrey Epstein

925
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,239
was moreover someone who did corrupt people they found people's

926
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:55,440
sweet tooth and then corrupted them with it, and then

927
01:02:55,480 --> 01:03:00,679
got it on film and threatened people. The things people

928
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,599
have to do in order to take these positions of

929
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:09,920
power to enjoy worldly goods, right forfeiting their soul, if

930
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,559
you will. But one of the things we're going to

931
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:20,559
talk about this afternoon, and this is from July second,

932
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:25,400
two thousand and eight, Jeffrey Epstein's new Mexico financial planning company,

933
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:30,000
Zoro Trust, apparently won the Oklahoma Power the Oklahoma Power

934
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:33,320
lottery payout of forty one point three million dollars and

935
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,639
collected nearly thirty million after tax winnings. Epstein's Black Book

936
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:43,880
identifies a column as Epstein, Jeffrey Zoro Ranch with a

937
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,639
phone listing for Bryce and Karen. A computer glitch delayed

938
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:51,119
the drawing that night on live television, right, depending on

939
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,119
if it's the Pennsylvania Lottery, Delaware Lottery, Right, it's ten

940
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,920
fifty nine or something like that. But once in a

941
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,400
blue moon they have a technical glitch with the machine

942
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,840
or whatever, and it's not carried live or whatever the

943
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,119
case may be. This just a coincidence, happened to be

944
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:09,760
another day. A computer glitch delayed the draw on live television,

945
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,079
and the prize money was collected by Zoro Trust, which

946
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,519
was a trust headed by Jeffrey Epstein. The winning ticket

947
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:20,800
was purchased at a convenience store in Altis, Oklahoma, for

948
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,159
an eighty five million dollar jackpot. There is no evidence

949
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:30,360
to support the claim that Oklahoma that Epstein won the lottery, right,

950
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:36,159
and then it starts the the AI starts to troubleshoot

951
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:42,599
the conspiracy, et cetera, et cetera. But in a nutshell,

952
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,440
if you recall, Epstein was housed in a private wing.

953
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,440
And this is June thirtieth, two thousand and eight, right

954
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:55,159
after Epstein pleaded guilty, pled guilty, I should say, to

955
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,280
a state charge of procuring for prostitution or girl below

956
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,440
the age of eighteen. He was sent to eighteen months

957
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,840
in prison. And again, while most of these convicted sex

958
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,320
offenders in Florida are sent to a state prison, oh no, no, no,

959
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,400
Epstein was instead housed in a private wing of the

960
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,639
Palm Beach Stockade and according to the Sheriff's office, was

961
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:20,199
quote after three and a half months, allowed to leave

962
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,199
the jail on work release.

963
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 5: Air quotes for up to twelve hours a day, six

964
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:26,440
days a week.

965
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 4: So this contradicted the sheriff's own policies requiring a maximum

966
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:38,920
remaining sentence of ten months and making sex offenders ineligible

967
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,440
for that privilege. He was allowed to come and go

968
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,559
outside of specified release hours. So long story short, they

969
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:50,880
paid Jeffrey Epstein millions of dollars to take three and

970
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,239
a half months off in a luxury unit jail with

971
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,800
open doors in two thousand and eight. Now let's dig

972
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,239
a little deeper into this. This article is from Steve

973
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:08,719
Sailor from UNS dot com The UNS Review August fourteenth,

974
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,519
twenty nineteen is when it was written, and the title

975
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,599
of this article is did Jeffrey Epstein personally set off

976
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:17,679
the financial crash of two thousand and eight? So not

977
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,920
just the lottery, but there was another theory out there

978
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:25,480
that he was partially the cause for the crash of

979
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:28,480
two thousand and eight. Let's get to the article written

980
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:32,360
by Steve Sailor. As you may recall, the timeline of

981
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,440
the two thousand and eight financial collapse got serious in

982
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:38,480
March two thousand and eight, when the Wall Street firm

983
01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:41,519
of bear Sterns started to go under due to a

984
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:46,519
mortgage based securities. The New York Fed tried to bail

985
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:51,119
Burns bear Sterns out, but it still became insolvent. Anyway.

986
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:55,199
Then in September of two thousand and eight, Lehman Brothers, Oh,

987
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:59,880
there's Leman Brothers again. Building seven started to drawn, started

988
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:01,039
to drown as well.

989
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:01,519
Speaker 5: Pardon me.

990
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,159
Speaker 4: Thinking that the lesson of bear Sterns was not to

991
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:09,159
throw good money after bad, the authorities let Lehman go under,

992
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:13,719
which then in turn set off the global panic. Now, interestingly,

993
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:19,280
Jeffrey Epstein may have personally initiated the dominoes falling that

994
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,599
eventually brought in the collapse of bear Stearns by asking

995
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,320
on April eighteenth, two thousand and seven, for his fifty

996
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,239
seven million dollars back from a hyper leverage bear Sterns

997
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:39,239
hedge fund investing in mortgage based financial gim crackery right

998
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:45,519
the pyramid schemes of these mortgage backed lenders of the

999
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,920
late nineties and only two thousands now. Oddly enough, this

1000
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:51,719
may have been one of the few actions that we've

1001
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,199
heard about Epstein that isn't obviously shady. He probably got

1002
01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,440
the fifty seven million in the first place in a

1003
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:01,719
crooked manner, but he had the right to try to

1004
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,599
retrieve what money of his was left. From the New

1005
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:11,400
York Times Financial Section from July eleventh, two thousand and seven. Okay,

1006
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:14,440
this is a public article. It was about a year

1007
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:19,159
ago that Jeffrey Epstein, the reclusive financier, was being charged

1008
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:23,319
with soliciting prostitutes in Palm Beach, Florida. He may now

1009
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,479
have another image problem on his hand. An image problem,

1010
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,960
you think. BusinessWeek reports that mister Epstein's Virgin Islands based

1011
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:36,600
money management firm, Financial Trust Company, is listed in a

1012
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,119
filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission known as the

1013
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:44,359
SEC as a stakeholder in bear Stearn's High Grade Structured

1014
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:49,880
Credit Strategies Enhanced Leveraged Fund, which became much easier to

1015
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:53,960
refer to in recent weeks as quote bear Stearn's collapsing

1016
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:59,560
hedge fund. And it's a tantalizing nugget of information about

1017
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:04,199
someone who rarely discloses anything about his business or his

1018
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,079
billionaire clients. Despite his penchant for privacy, mister Epstein runs

1019
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:15,600
in prominent circles. He once flew former President Bill Clinton

1020
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,359
on his seven twenty seven regulatory filings show that mister

1021
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:25,439
Epstein's firm had voting power over ten percent of the

1022
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,560
equity in the Bear Stearns Fund. I want to repeat

1023
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,720
that to you and tell many how many times you've

1024
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:37,680
heard this regulatory filing show that mister Epstein's firm had

1025
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:44,119
voting power over ten percent of the equity in Bear Sterns,

1026
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,279
which aided by loans from some Wall Street's biggest banks,

1027
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,199
bet heavily on the securities linked to the market for

1028
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:56,880
subprime mortgages were those to homeowners with weak credit histories. Now,

1029
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,800
as the subprime mortgage market had been rocked by a

1030
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,760
in recent defaults, many of those bets have gone bad.

1031
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,800
As of the end of April, the Bear fund was

1032
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,840
downed twenty three percent for the year. You will be

1033
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,960
surprised to know that mister Epstein did not respond to

1034
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:16,920
BusinessWeek's calls and his lawyers had no comment.

1035
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:18,319
Speaker 5: You think so.

1036
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 4: We now know that Epstein had invested fifty seven million

1037
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,720
dollars in this Bear Sterns fund run by Ralph Chioffi

1038
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,680
and Matthew Tannin t the very few Wall Street executives

1039
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,279
that ever put on criminal trial over the crash. And

1040
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:36,720
by the way, you'll be shocked to know that they

1041
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,239
were found not guilty. I know it's shocking, isn't it.

1042
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,720
From the Secret History of bear Stearn's crash in Fortune

1043
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:47,600
two thousand and nine quote after forty months of positive returns,

1044
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:50,720
the sudden and sharp decline in the two hedge funds

1045
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,560
was new territory for Chioffi and Tannin. They struggled mightily

1046
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,680
to figure out what to do. On April eighteenth, one

1047
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:02,039
of Chioffi's investors, who have invested fifty seven million dollars,

1048
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,960
informed him that he was considering recalling his money. So

1049
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:13,199
the unnamed investor one in his money back was Jeffrey Epstein.

1050
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:19,760
Chioffey told the investor that the portfolio managers had about

1051
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,800
eight million of their own money invested, one third of

1052
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,279
their liquid net worth, so he neglected to tell the

1053
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:29,359
investor that he had taken two million of his own

1054
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:32,359
money out and invested it in his other hedge fund.

1055
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 5: So Epstein.

1056
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 4: Epstein appears to have been one day ahead of Chioffey

1057
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:40,359
and ten In in figuring out the end was nigh. Well,

1058
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:44,680
that's a shocker, right, because Masad never has any inside information.

1059
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 6: Right.

1060
01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:48,359
Speaker 4: Goes on to say that ten and went on to

1061
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:53,479
wonder whether the funds should be closed or significantly restructured.

1062
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,079
The argument for closing the funds was based on the

1063
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:59,880
market and on a complex internal April nineteenth CDO report,

1064
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,920
which was a new analysis that Tenant had recently pursued. Quote,

1065
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,359
if we believe the new CDO report is anywhere close

1066
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:11,199
to accurate, I think we should close the funds now.

1067
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,159
The reason for this, that is the if the report

1068
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:19,239
is correct, then the entire subprime market is gone, right,

1069
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,600
and the market about that the movie I should say,

1070
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,159
and I can't remember the title off the top of

1071
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:29,520
my head. The guy who played Christian Bales in it,

1072
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,840
and a few other folks about this, they saw it

1073
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,119
coming right. And if triple A bonds are systematically downgraded,

1074
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:41,880
then there is no simple way for us to take money. Ever,

1075
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:46,760
even in Wikipedia now synthesizes the bits and pieces that

1076
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,319
have appeared here and there over the years, And this

1077
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,600
is from Wikipedia. In August two thousand and six, Epstein,

1078
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:57,600
a month after the federal investigation of him began, invested

1079
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,279
fifty seven million dollars in the Barrister's high grade structured

1080
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:07,359
credit Strategies Enhanced Leverage fund so this fund was highly

1081
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:13,560
leveraged in mortgage backed collateral debt obligations. On April eighteenth,

1082
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,960
two thousand and seven, an investor in the fund who

1083
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:21,640
had fifty seven million invested discussed for deeming his investment. Now,

1084
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,840
at this time, the fund had a leveraged ratio of

1085
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:29,760
seventeen to one, so that meant for every dollar invested,

1086
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:36,680
there were seventeen dollars of borrowed funds. Okay, that is less.

1087
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,960
That is a very very low low percentage. Therefore, the

1088
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,359
redemption of this investment would have been equivalent to removing

1089
01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:49,079
one billion dollars from this thinly traded market. So the

1090
01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:52,800
selling of these assets to meet the redemptions that month

1091
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,640
began a repricing process and a general freeze in the market.

1092
01:13:57,359 --> 01:14:00,159
The repricing of the assets caused the collapse of the

1093
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:03,560
fund three months later and the eventual collapse of bear

1094
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,199
Stearns in March two thousand and eight. So it's likely

1095
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,439
that Epstein lost most of his investment, but it's not

1096
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,720
known exactly you know, they claim, Wikipedia says, but it's

1097
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,239
not known how much of it was personally his. So

1098
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:22,560
by the time that bear Stearns began to fail, in

1099
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,479
May of two thousand and seven, Epstein had begun to

1100
01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:30,479
negotiate a plea deal with the US Attorney's office concerning

1101
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,680
his eminent charges for sex with minors in two thousand

1102
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,520
and seven. Right, So, in August two thousand and seven,

1103
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,720
a month after the fund had collapsed, just a coincidence,

1104
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:48,399
I'm sure the US attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta AA,

1105
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,720
there's your eleven, entered into direct discussions about the plea agreement.

1106
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:57,840
Acosta broker a lenient deal. And again the deals that

1107
01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:03,319
they get versus if this not that we would ever

1108
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,680
do anything like this, But I'm just saying, Joe Schmo

1109
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:10,119
does this, he gets twenty years in a state prison.

1110
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:16,560
Right that there, you know, everybody is held accountable to

1111
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,840
the law. Is another line that is complete farce, Right,

1112
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,720
it's bs and you can cite this as one of

1113
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:27,039
a thousand examples. So again, a costa brooker to a

1114
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:30,600
lenient deal because he'd been ordered by hired government officials

1115
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,239
to do so, who told him that Epstein was an

1116
01:15:33,279 --> 01:15:37,840
individual of importance to the government because he had pictures

1117
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,840
of those people and videos of those people. As part

1118
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,640
of the negotiations, According to the Miami Herald. Epstein provided

1119
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,279
unspecified information to the Florida federal prosecutors for a more

1120
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:53,920
lenient sentence that was supposedly an unnamed key witness for

1121
01:15:54,039 --> 01:15:58,479
the New York federal prosecutors in their unsuccessful June two

1122
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,760
thousand and eight criminal case against the two managers of

1123
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:05,399
the failed bear Stearns Hedge fund. Oh look whose name

1124
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:10,199
appears again. Alan Dershowitz, one of Epstein's Florida attorneys on

1125
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:13,479
the case, told Fox Business, we would have been touting

1126
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,640
that if he had cooperated. The idea that Epstein helped

1127
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,399
in any prosecution is news to me. Yeah, that guy

1128
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,880
is the biggest fraud out there. So let's close out

1129
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,960
with this. And you know, continuing with this financial aspect

1130
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:32,279
that has not looked at enough, whether it was cloning

1131
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:35,640
or you know, it is a part of the seed

1132
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,800
war right through MR and A vaccines, they're trying to

1133
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:45,000
ruin God seed, through GMO, They're trying to ruin his seeds,

1134
01:16:45,079 --> 01:16:47,800
of his seed line of fruits and vegetables. That's really

1135
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,039
that this all these conspiracies we talk about are good

1136
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:58,279
versus evil, and this guy and again he is not

1137
01:16:58,359 --> 01:17:03,239
even close to the most powerful entity. Right, there's so

1138
01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:06,119
many layers, but he's the face of it. And he

1139
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:07,680
was a mover and he was a shaker, and he

1140
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:14,119
had a large part of getting control over those in

1141
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,520
power to carry out these evil agendas. And this is

1142
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:22,600
Winterwatch dot net Russ Winner who I think he lives

1143
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:27,159
in Poland or Romania. He writes a couple of articles

1144
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:30,279
every day. Feel free to check out his website, winter Watch.

1145
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,640
Hidden Epstein records indicate he won a forty one million

1146
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:39,000
dollar Oklahoma lottery jackpot. And then, of course this He

1147
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,840
wrote this shortly after he was allegedly found dead, which

1148
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,319
we know he is alive and well today for sure.

1149
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,359
On July second, two thousand and eight, just a day

1150
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:52,760
after convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein started to serve an

1151
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:57,439
eighteen month jail term in Florida, his new Mexico financial

1152
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,840
planning company, which was called zorotruck Us, won the Oklahoma

1153
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,399
Power lottery payout of forty one point three million dollars

1154
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,319
and after taxes, ultimately collected nearly thirty million dollars.

1155
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 5: In winnings.

1156
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 4: Epstein's new Mexico spread in his Black Book identifies a

1157
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,800
column as Epstein Jeffries or a ranch with a phone

1158
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:26,439
listing for Bryce and Karen, the very same Bryce Gordon,

1159
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:33,199
who was manager of Zoro Trust. Only in cartoon world

1160
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:38,600
would it be believable that a so called sophisticated investor

1161
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,840
who typically is looking to scalp every arbitrary and every

1162
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:49,199
basis point instead tosses money at awful odds lotteries. Right

1163
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,359
rich people, I got breaking newspeople que the breaking news theme.

1164
01:18:55,119 --> 01:19:02,640
Right rich people don't play the lottery, simply don't. The

1165
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,560
heist was facilitated by a quote computer glitch the day

1166
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,159
of the public drawing on July second, two thousand and eight.

1167
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,479
And here's an article from the Oklahoma Daily or The

1168
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:19,000
Daily Oklahoma August twenty six, two thousand and eight. Trust

1169
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:22,960
keeps powerball winner a mystery only lottery commission knows who

1170
01:19:23,079 --> 01:19:25,279
is now the twenty nine point three million dollar Who

1171
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:29,000
is now twenty nine point three million dollars? Richer, a

1172
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:32,680
financial planning company based in Oklahoma City, received twenty nine

1173
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,159
point three million dollars Monday on behalf of the Zoro Trust,

1174
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,640
which held the winning ticket from the July second drawing.

1175
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,239
Speaker 5: And then there's the next story. A glitch delays the drawing.

1176
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 4: A computer malfunction preempted the televised broadcast of Sunday's drawing.

1177
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:54,119
Oklahoma officials said the glitch was discovered shortly before the

1178
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:56,960
drawing was going to be shown. Lives as Jay Finks,

1179
01:19:57,039 --> 01:20:00,920
the lottery's marketing director. Instead of of seeing the drawing

1180
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,640
at nine point fifty eight pm, viewers on Fox and

1181
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,000
the CW network saw a notice indicating the drawing wouldn't

1182
01:20:09,039 --> 01:20:13,800
be shown because of technical difficulties. Fink said the glitch

1183
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,359
wasn't fixed in time for the ten PM newscast, or

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the drawing was held later and was monitored by an

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auditing firm. You can't make this stuff up. So for

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what purpose did the mysterious Epstein win the lottery? Inquiring

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minds would like to know. Did he want his money

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back from the money he had lost in the Bear Stearns?

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Does lottery fraud go a long way toward explaining the

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question of just how Jeffrey Epstein became a billionaire. Fixed lotteries,

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fixed gambling stakes, maybe even fixed horse races and sporting

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event payoffs. Right, we know sports are rigged. So The

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Intelligencer wrote that executive Suite financiers discussed how absent Epstein

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was from the field. You're supposed to run this enormous

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foreign exchange trading firm, said Enrique Diaz Alvarez, a chief

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risk at herbery. But I never once heard of him,

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or his firm, or anyone who worked or traded with him.

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And as Forbes wrote in twenty ten blog post with

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a very direct title, quote sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is

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not a billionaire. It stated that his money management firm

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based in the US Virgin Islands quote generates no public records,

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nor has his client list ever been released. Then we

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have Spencer Couvin, who was an attorney representing three of

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Epstein's alleged victims, told The Palm Beach Post in two

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thousand and eight that quote in the litigation itself, we

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were never able to get him to produce verified financial information.

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The quote nine figures came by negotiation. It kept going

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up and up and up. So besides lottery fraud, could

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another source of Epstein's wealth be this Bernie made off

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like Ponzi scheme again in his earli as two thousand

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and nine, Business Insider noted that multiple red flags pointed

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to a possible made off like fraud. One of his

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early partners, another Jewish criminal named Steve Hoffenberg, was convicted

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of running one of the largest pre made off Ponzi

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schemes in United States history. According to journalist Vicky Ward,

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Hoffenberg brought on Epstein in nineteen eighty one after he

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left bear Stearns. Haffenberg paid Epstein twenty five thousand dollars

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per month for his work as a consultant for Towers Financial.

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Remember the guy Leon Black who ran Apollo Management, who

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owns McGraw hill Books, paid Jeffrey Epstein one hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars for quote.

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Speaker 5: Consultation.

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Speaker 4: You remember, Jeffrey Epstein got his first job from who.

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Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr Offenberg, pled guilty in nineteen

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ninety four to defrauding investors to the tune of four

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hundred and fifty million dollars. For years, it appeared Epstein

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had no exposure in the Tower Financial case until twenty eighteen,

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when shareholders filed a putative count class action suit against

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him for his alleged role in the Ponzi scheme. In

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a separate New York state case, in twenty eighteen, Hoffenberg

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reportedly detailed Epstein's alleged involvement in the scam. At this point,

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it is unknown if or how much Epstein pocketed from

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the Ponzi scheme. Because Epstein's wealth is held offshore and

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is shrouded in mystery, some speculate that he may have

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made his money in tax schemes or money laundering. Investigator

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George Webb developed a theory that Epstein was a courier

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of drug weapons and human trafficking using aircraft and wink

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wink diplomatic passports obtained from other crime syndicate partners. One

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of Epstein's clients was the Saudi Arabian businessman ad Non Kashagi. Yes,

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that ad Non Kashaki, who was the middleman in transferring

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American weapons from Israel to Iran right part of the

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Iran Contra affair in the nineteen eighties. Kashagi was one

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of several defense contractors that he knew and in the

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mid nineteen eighties, Epstein traveled multiple times between the US, Europe,

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and the Middle East, and at the time of his

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most recent arrest, authorities discovered Epstein had a foreign passport

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that listed his residence as Saudi Arabia, and don't forget

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we do talk often that the neo kinds, the neocons

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of the US government and Israel, Masad, et cetera, were

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behind nine to eleven. Saudi Arabia did play a part

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of it. While in London, Epstein met the aforementioned Steve Hoffenberg.

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They had been introduced through the weapons network, namely Douglas Lease,

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he's a defense contractor, and John Mitchell, the former Nixon

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US Attorney General. So again, while the focus is on

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the underage girls, right, there is quite a layer of

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insider based, high level looting, fixed collusion across multiple financial schemes.

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And of course he was quote pronounced dead of an

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apparent hanging in a jail cell on this twenty four

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to seven suicide watch. The guards just happened to fall

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asleep and the cameras just happened to stop working. So

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he was either too high of a risk and it

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was easier for them just to take him out and

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get him off the playing board, or he's alive and

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well today in an undisclosed location, maybe very well, is

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still running things, right, But I believe he went out

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the back door a long time ago, right, and I

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imagine the same is true with Glene Maxwell.

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Speaker 5: She's not sitting in a prison cell. Come on.

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Speaker 4: So there you go very many layers to this onion,

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and it obviously is well we ever get the actual

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answer to this, probably not, absolutely not, but we know

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the truth as we are told, is a facade and

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we need to keep investigating and we shall continue to

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do so into next week as we welcome a friend

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of the show, Scott Shah back on the podcast and

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we talk about, you know, what it was like going

1277
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through this loss, you know, suit process against a hospital

1278
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and the medical industrial complex and where is he going

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from here? As we remember his daughter Grace and that'll

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put her up on the day's program. I hope you

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all have a tremendous week. I am going to try

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to get up a classic audio this Sunday. Look forward

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to that and again we'll see Scott Sharon next Tuesday

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on the fifteenth.

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Speaker 5: God bless each and every one of you. Have a

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tremendous week.

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Speaker 4: God blessed, take care and until we meet again, my friends,

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we will see you.

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Speaker 8: I see the world in chains, covered and smoke, killlies, truth,

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lack of fire way, it's burning behind their rise, They

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chase the empty line, they feed the silence thief.

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Speaker 2: But I will stand the side.

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01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 5: I'm fight for what I believe.

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Speaker 8: I will kneel to the talk.

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Speaker 7: I will about the fear.

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Speaker 2: Of calling out. Linday Fosco's discoplined I'm going on, said on.

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Speaker 8: Man, tonight, break the chase and bring the lad Gonna

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strike the serpent's head raised.

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Speaker 9: The living from the dam, gonna tailor.

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Speaker 2: Mail tonight, I'm on back down from the fire. You

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can't buy the ones who see the truth has made

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me free.

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Speaker 6: Hear the liar's tongue whispers and poisoned.

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Speaker 2: But I know where I stand.

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01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,279
Speaker 6: The cross is planned it there. He tried to steal

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my soul. But now I see through the scheme. His

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kingdom's builds on sand, and I was born to dream.

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I've got on a flame and a sorn in my head,

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not to tell every throne that the end of even.

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Speaker 9: I'm gone, said fail to night, shadow gone and stand.

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Speaker 2: I'm gone, and chase the dark away?

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01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 7: Shall my arm done?

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Speaker 9: Said fail tonight, No more said gone south, this born

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in my soul.

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Speaker 1: It's time to take a calm, so change will fall.

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Speaker 6: As we'll see truth will rising victor.

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Speaker 2: Darkness runs.

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01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:19,359
Speaker 9: It can not stay the veal. I'm gonna table bell tonight.

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Speaker 7: Praise the souls of Donald.

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Speaker 2: Watch the infants.

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01:30:24,319 --> 01:30:27,279
Speaker 9: Place as the stolen Kin prays.

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Speaker 7: Gonna table bell to night.

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Speaker 2: Send the captives free to this Martin Night.

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Speaker 7: Cof Wills, you're.

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Speaker 5: Listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, Mammy,