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Speaker 3: I saw this story regarding former Olympian Lolo Jones.
Speaker 2: It is made by Blood Boil.
Speaker 3: If you don't know Lolo Jones, multi Olympics, multi sport
Speaker 3: medaled athlete. She was suspended from using the training and
Speaker 3: sports medicine facilities at the US Olympic and Paralympic Training
Speaker 3: Center in Lake Placid for the past four months because
Speaker 3: of a verbal confrontation with a sports medicine staff member
Speaker 3: after she was denied medical treatment at the center.
Speaker 2: That's important she was denied and then.
Speaker 3: Make a long story short, she said to one of
Speaker 3: the top officials, John Faltis, over there, you are a
Speaker 3: fing excuse me, a horrible f in human being. Then
Speaker 3: she was put out and they released a statement saying
Speaker 3: this conduct is unacceptable and I want to make it
Speaker 3: clear that such behavior cannot be tolerated. They did a
Speaker 3: subsequent investigation and found that she should have not been
Speaker 3: denied treatment at the Olympic Training Center.
Speaker 2: They did not reinstate her and remove her suspension.
Speaker 3: For me, it's like, okay, so you basically admit that
Speaker 3: you were in the wrong trained center. You also admit
Speaker 3: that you're not going to remove the suspensions. Well, how
Speaker 3: could you be wrong and also keep the penalty in place?
Speaker 2: Obviously she was righteous in her anger, was she not?
Speaker 4: She was absolutely righteous, And I'm I would just love
Speaker 4: to meet this medical professional, to meet someone who is
Speaker 4: trying their best to finish out their career as strong
Speaker 4: as possible. Know she's in some pain. I saw that
Speaker 4: she had some incontinence at that moment in time.
Speaker 2: That is, if y'all don't know what that is, Google
Speaker 2: it lost control of bowels. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I couldn't figure out a good way to describe that.
Speaker 4: But that is the worst possible scenario, especially when you're
Speaker 4: an athlete, when you're any human being. So as a
Speaker 4: medical professional to not say, hold on, even if she
Speaker 4: was in the wrong, to see that she's in pain
Speaker 4: and to know she has this issue, to not say,
Speaker 4: let me take a beat, let me see what I
Speaker 4: can do.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get you in tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can get you in later today, because had
Speaker 4: they taken that extra step, they might have seen instantly
Speaker 4: that they were in the wrong.
Speaker 2: They could have done both.
Speaker 3: In other words, they could have shown grace during right
Speaker 3: or grace after right.
Speaker 2: Either or it would have been better than this.
Speaker 3: If they would have shown grace during this, you point out,
Speaker 3: they probably could have rectified it all immediately. If they
Speaker 3: showed grace afterward, it could have been an apology, our mistake.
Speaker 3: Let's lift the suspension and move forward. But they couldn't
Speaker 3: do either right.
Speaker 4: And the crazy thing is is I love how they said, Oh,
Speaker 4: she used, you know, foul language. If she would have
Speaker 4: said you are a horrible human being and just left
Speaker 4: out the pleasant adjective, it's my favorite word in the
Speaker 4: English language. If she would have left that out, I
Speaker 4: feel like they still would have done this to her
Speaker 4: because she was probably irate when she said it.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's what she said. I think
Speaker 2: it's how she said it, and it is probably all that.
Speaker 3: But then you have to wonder if you're gonna talk
Speaker 3: about the hippocratic oath and do no harm, well, there
Speaker 3: has to be some sort of caveat that also says
Speaker 3: help when you.
Speaker 4: Can right right, And that's the thing when you're talking
Speaker 4: about athletes, and when you're talking you have this center,
Speaker 4: so athletes can really perform at their best and their
Speaker 4: highest level. And then when you find out. So there's
Speaker 4: two things that brothered me about this. Number One, you
Speaker 4: found out you were wrong. You didn't even say oops,
Speaker 4: my bad. You said, oh, we were wrong, so sorry
Speaker 4: for you. We're just gonna stay on this road. But
Speaker 4: you didn't even get both sides of the story. So
Speaker 4: their little whack investigation only asked one person, and that
Speaker 4: was the person she said, you're a horrible f in
Speaker 4: human being or whatever she said, But they didn't ask
Speaker 4: the athletes around. The athletes around her said this is terrible,
Speaker 4: This is way too far. This is retaliatory that should
Speaker 4: not be happening. But their voices don't matter either. So
Speaker 4: even the athletes that are in this that are not
Speaker 4: suspended or didn't get access, you have to wonder how
Speaker 4: they feel.
Speaker 2: There's something else to this.
Speaker 3: There's also allegations of selective enforcement of this code of conduct.
Speaker 3: This past winner, a team USA Winter Sport athlete screamed
Speaker 3: and cursed at a US teammate at an international event,
Speaker 3: refusing to stop even after being warned by team officials
Speaker 3: and other teammates. This code of conduct is supposed to
Speaker 3: be all encompassing, is when you're trading facility, when you're
Speaker 3: competing all of those things, and if you're not going
Speaker 3: to enforce it all the time, then I really have
Speaker 3: to look at you sideways.
Speaker 4: Even if the whole thing, to me, I just see
Speaker 4: Kobe going soft. You soft, Like, what are we talking about.
Speaker 4: We're talking about words, We're not talking about people getting physical.
Speaker 4: We're talking about athletes. I don't know an athlete on
Speaker 4: the planet who's never cursed in their lifetime and been
Speaker 4: agitated about something, especially when they're competing at a high level.
Speaker 2: So this is asinine protocol.
Speaker 4: To me, it's soft, and it gives them leeway to
Speaker 4: be selective and who they retaliate against.
Speaker 2: I think it's intentional.
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's not a lawsuit coming only because
Speaker 3: the physical aspect of being in pain and being denied
Speaker 3: treatment and then also being proven that you were wrongfully
Speaker 3: denied treatment.
Speaker 2: Lolo Jones, I think is forty one or forty Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is it for her, Yeah, this is it so
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: The end of her career, and if you denied her
Speaker 3: rehabilitation any type of treatment which shortened her career or
Speaker 3: brought it on quicker, I could see a case there
Speaker 3: I would be interested to see, and especially if you
Speaker 3: start digging up more instances of selective.
Speaker 4: Enforcement, right, And I'm wondering why they're not thinking about that,
Speaker 4: because that would have made me immediately reverse it.
Speaker 2: Because if you're.
Speaker 4: Doing you know you're in the wrong, and you're saying, hey,
Speaker 4: you're admitting you're in the wrong, publicly admitting and you're
Speaker 4: in the wrong, but you're still going to suspend like
Speaker 4: there's no one in your legal department that said, hey.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, don't say that.
Speaker 3: If you're watching a YouTube show or on Instagram, you
Speaker 3: can see some of the video of Lolo Jones at
Speaker 3: the point of reference. And she is a marketable individual
Speaker 3: and I I mean not to say that she'll be
Speaker 3: found very sympathetic.
Speaker 4: Yes, and she's in fantastic shape to be her like
Speaker 4: any age really, but she's in fantastic shape. And so
Speaker 4: that's going to even garner more sympathy because you see
Speaker 4: a woman who knows she's at the end of her career,
Speaker 4: and she's trying to go out with a bang, and
Speaker 4: you denied her the ability to do that. She's going
Speaker 4: to have instant public sympathy.
Speaker 3: Someone else who's in the news when we come back,
Speaker 3: who I don't know, deserves public sympathy. Shaduor Sanders, the
Speaker 3: son of Dion Sanders, you know, coach of Colorado. You
Speaker 3: followed him, We followed the family for quite some time.
Speaker 3: He originally was thought to be a first round draft pick,
Speaker 3: a high first round draft pick. Long story short, deon
Speaker 3: Sanders gotten away and basically boguarded and said certain teams
Speaker 3: were not going to be able to draft his son.
Speaker 4: He dropped to the fifth round for Eli's dad. But
Speaker 4: you know the Eli didn't Eli say something similar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he was not going to play for
Speaker 3: the San Diego Chargers. But I say that to say
Speaker 3: to set this up that Shadoor Sanders, it was a feeling.
Speaker 2: There's a question about his character.
Speaker 3: There's a question about whether he was mature enough to
Speaker 3: lead a franchise as a quarterback. He gets two speeding
Speaker 3: tickets in a week, one for driving forty miles an
Speaker 3: hour over the limit. I want to talk about that
Speaker 3: with you when we come back, let's do it. If
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Speaker 3: Shadoor Sanders, very famous son of legendary football coach Hall
Speaker 3: of Famer Dion Sanders, is now coming into the NFL
Speaker 3: with a lot of expectations and I think maybe shud
Speaker 3: Or Sanders fancy himself a little better than he is.
Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens on the field.
Speaker 3: I know that if you're going to play quarterback in
Speaker 3: the NFL, you are looked at as the face of
Speaker 3: the franchise. Presumably after every game you are doing the
Speaker 3: interview speaking on behalf of the team. Right, you have
Speaker 3: to carry a much larger load and from that, higher expectations,
Speaker 3: higher maturity level demanded. And when I see that Shudor
Speaker 3: sanders not one but two speeding tickets, one for going
Speaker 3: ninety one and a sixty five zone and one going
Speaker 3: one hundred in a one on one in a sixty
Speaker 3: two days apart, that says to me that there may
Speaker 3: be some immaturity issues, which has been highlighted in recent
Speaker 3: recent weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's more than immaturity though too. I
Speaker 4: think it's a level of entitlement. I think because of
Speaker 4: who his father is and the expectation and the way
Speaker 4: that he talks, and he does see himself at a
Speaker 4: level that he has not reached yet. So the expectation is,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, is he feels like he can he
Speaker 4: can do these things, and if he does get pulled over,
Speaker 4: it's a oh my god, you're sure and you know
Speaker 4: and then it's over. I think he sees himself at
Speaker 4: a higher stature than what he actually is.
Speaker 2: What scares me is life is going to happen. It
Speaker 2: is going to happen.
Speaker 3: They're going to remind him that he's not for a
Speaker 3: number of reasons. One, because you're a twenty two year
Speaker 3: old black man with flowing a lot of money, right,
Speaker 3: that draws unnecessary attention to you, a lot of attention
Speaker 3: you may not want. And also you're your contract is
Speaker 3: not guaranteed.
Speaker 2: It's not there.
Speaker 4: But again, so I'm gonna tread lightly on this one, okay,
Speaker 4: because if it was anybody else who had this opportunity,
Speaker 4: this is an opportunity of a lifetime. This is an
Speaker 4: opportunity that can change his life. This is not the
Speaker 4: situation for him. He gonna have money regardless, He.
Speaker 3: Had money coming in already because of the nil or
Speaker 3: family money.
Speaker 4: Right, and so he he's in a different place. I
Speaker 4: can tell you right now. If he gets dropped next week,
Speaker 4: he's going to be someone where on commentating some game.
Speaker 4: His career is not going to end just because football
Speaker 4: doesn't work out. So he doesn't have the same Okay,
Speaker 4: let me hunker down, let me prove myself. He doesn't
Speaker 4: have that because he's never had to have that. So
Speaker 4: his a little flip it with it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: The first ticket didn't bother me. I'm gonna say that
Speaker 4: didn't bother me. I'm a speed demon myself, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So I just I don't get caught
Speaker 4: a lot. I know where they are, you know, so
Speaker 4: it's different. The second ticket bothered me because once you
Speaker 4: get that first one, then it should be a okay.
Speaker 2: I still have to prove myself.
Speaker 4: I still have to show the world that I am
Speaker 4: the leader, because like it or not, I do think
Speaker 4: that sometimes it's separate. Your life in football is different
Speaker 4: from your real life. However it's not perceived that way.
Speaker 4: How you are perceived is in totality. So if you
Speaker 4: act crazy in the world, they're going to assume you're
Speaker 4: acting crazy in the locker room.
Speaker 2: And you have to know.
Speaker 4: Look, whether y' all like it or not, black people
Speaker 4: we have to work twice as hard to get half
Speaker 4: the credit. He knows this because he's seen this, and
Speaker 4: this is America. We know what we know we're up against,
Speaker 4: and he has an obligation, in my opinion, to make
Speaker 4: sure that he's not only living up to certain standards,
Speaker 4: but he exceeds the standards, and he makes sure that
Speaker 4: black men coming up after him are not seeing like, oh,
Speaker 4: I bet you he's just like just because now he's
Speaker 4: the standard that people can say, Oh, if Librador will do.
Speaker 2: It, let me put it in just my terms.
Speaker 3: I know whenever I walk into a room or whenever
Speaker 3: I open this mic here on KFI, either I will
Speaker 3: confirm or debunk stereotypes, right, and people will look for
Speaker 3: that and they will say, well, he is this or
Speaker 3: he's not that. Now, I don't mind someone twenty two
Speaker 3: big twenty two. I don't want to have the wisdom
Speaker 3: or sophistication of a fifty five year.
Speaker 2: Old man because I didn't have that when I was
Speaker 2: twenty two.
Speaker 3: I was a knucklehead, but I didn't have the same
Speaker 3: level of expectations or burden on my shoulders. I hope
Speaker 3: Deon Sanders can pull his son aside and say, look,
Speaker 3: you are representing more than just yourself, right, and you
Speaker 3: are also expected to conduct yourself in a different than
Speaker 3: everyone else. And it may not be fair, but it's
Speaker 3: a fact. You have to live up to those expectations.
Speaker 3: Should Door Standers to me, as of yet, has not
Speaker 3: shown that he's ready to accept that level of the responsibility,
Speaker 3: from the way that he handled his time at the
Speaker 3: Combine and how he handled his interviews to what he's
Speaker 3: doing right now. I always wish the best for young athletes,
Speaker 3: but I don't know that he's getting a wise counsel.
Speaker 4: And that's my concern because you know, if you if
Speaker 4: you're not old enough to remember Dion when he came
Speaker 4: in the league, he was very showy as well. He
Speaker 4: was very over the top, but it was still a limit.
Speaker 4: He's still he was great in interviews.
Speaker 2: His teammates trouble.
Speaker 4: Didn't he didn't get in any trouble. His teammates loved him.
Speaker 4: He was he was over the top, but in a
Speaker 4: way that was very acceptable and it made him fun
Speaker 4: to watch.
Speaker 2: This isn't fun, so he has to learn.
Speaker 4: And I'm surprised that there's not a level of self
Speaker 4: reflection because sometimes when we just sit back and watch ourselves,
Speaker 4: we can go ooh, that was not the right thing.
Speaker 2: Should do us.
Speaker 3: Not a generational talent, he's not as far, absolutely, and
Speaker 3: he does not have the personality and affability of his father.
Speaker 4: Do you think that maybe that's what we're seeing is
Speaker 4: him understanding that he's not his father, and that's messing
Speaker 4: with his mind in some way.
Speaker 3: Maybe, But this is way too late in the game
Speaker 3: to have a you know, an adolescent crisis of you're
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out or Daddy issues. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: you know, you want to be in the league, you're
Speaker 3: going to have to be a man in a man's league.
Speaker 2: And what responsibility does Dion. Dion knows the game, Yes,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I think he has the ultimate responsibility as coach and
Speaker 3: father to make sure that his son is prepared to
Speaker 3: deal with not only the league, but to deal with
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: And you know it's hard.
Speaker 3: I've never experienced it, but to be twenty two and
Speaker 3: be worth eight figures, that's insane. Yeah, it's insane, and
Speaker 3: it's I know that I would not have been mature
Speaker 3: enough for it, but this was the adventure that Dion
Speaker 3: and Shaduur have both chosen.
Speaker 4: I think as a parent, I would know that that's
Speaker 4: way too much money for a child, So I think
Speaker 4: as a parent, I would want to set things up
Speaker 4: have people around him. Sometimes the word from your parents
Speaker 4: is not the words you want to hear, so you
Speaker 4: have to make sure that there are other people in
Speaker 4: play that can help. And maybe he just doesn't have that,
Speaker 4: or maybe Dion needs to circulate some people out of
Speaker 4: his circle.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 3: If there's another incident like this in the near term,
Speaker 3: then I'm going to start believing that he's just not
Speaker 3: mature enough.
Speaker 2: For the NFL.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't let this speeding if I was Dion, I'm
Speaker 4: snatching his keys. You're gonna get a driver's.
Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes you have to protect people from themselves. But
Speaker 3: you know, I hope that he will put it this way.
Speaker 3: He will get a chance to prove himself on the field.
Speaker 3: At some point, he may get cut by Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I'm being very.
Speaker 4: Serious, yeah, this one, And that was going to be
Speaker 4: my next question. If he gets cut, do we all
Speaker 4: of a sudden see a different kid who now needs
Speaker 4: he has humbled.
Speaker 2: He hasn't been humbled yet. He hasn't dealt with any
Speaker 2: real adversity.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's learned to take responsibility for
Speaker 3: that which he does. You know, if people look at
Speaker 3: him a certain way because of his antics honor off
Speaker 3: the field, he has to own that right. And there's
Speaker 3: a larger message I think for young people and athletes
Speaker 3: in general, beyond shud or Sanders like. Look, I call
Speaker 3: this free wisdom. You don't need to make the same
Speaker 3: mistakes as someone else to be able to extract the
Speaker 3: wisdom from it.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I wish him the best.
Speaker 4: I want to see him succeed, but it's I think
Speaker 4: his talent will eventually catch up. We just have to
Speaker 4: make sure that his personality is in check.
Speaker 2: Good luck your faith Sanders, you know.
Speaker 4: But Dion, it's such a humble being now he he is.
Speaker 3: But I don't know that his son gets that maturation process.
Speaker 2: Of his own father.
Speaker 4: Well. I mean, the kid's been on TV since he
Speaker 4: was little, you know, so it's like he's never he's
Speaker 4: not lived real life yet.
Speaker 2: Let's just be honest, and.
Speaker 3: I don't think he I don't think he's the star
Speaker 3: that his father was at eighty level of football.
Speaker 2: You can't tell him that though.
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