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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 2>It's Later with Mo Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>We live everywhere on social media and let's go beyond

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<v Speaker 3>the box score with our regular commentator Jackie Ray, who

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<v Speaker 3>joins us in the studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, Jackie, Good evening.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw this story regarding former Olympian Lolo Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>It is made by Blood Boil.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't know Lolo Jones, multi Olympics, multi sport

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<v Speaker 3>medaled athlete. She was suspended from using the training and

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<v Speaker 3>sports medicine facilities at the US Olympic and Paralympic Training

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<v Speaker 3>Center in Lake Placid for the past four months because

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<v Speaker 3>of a verbal confrontation with a sports medicine staff member

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<v Speaker 3>after she was denied medical treatment at the center.

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<v Speaker 2>That's important she was denied and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Make a long story short, she said to one of

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<v Speaker 3>the top officials, John Faltis, over there, you are a

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<v Speaker 3>fing excuse me, a horrible f in human being. Then

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<v Speaker 3>she was put out and they released a statement saying

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<v Speaker 3>this conduct is unacceptable and I want to make it

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<v Speaker 3>clear that such behavior cannot be tolerated. They did a

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<v Speaker 3>subsequent investigation and found that she should have not been

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<v Speaker 3>denied treatment at the Olympic Training Center.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not reinstate her and remove her suspension.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, it's like, okay, so you basically admit that

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<v Speaker 3>you were in the wrong trained center. You also admit

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<v Speaker 3>that you're not going to remove the suspensions. Well, how

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<v Speaker 3>could you be wrong and also keep the penalty in place?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously she was righteous in her anger, was she not?

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<v Speaker 4>She was absolutely righteous, And I'm I would just love

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<v Speaker 4>to meet this medical professional, to meet someone who is

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<v Speaker 4>trying their best to finish out their career as strong

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<v Speaker 4>as possible. Know she's in some pain. I saw that

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<v Speaker 4>she had some incontinence at that moment in time.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, if y'all don't know what that is, Google

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<v Speaker 2>it lost control of bowels. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't figure out a good way to describe that.

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<v Speaker 4>But that is the worst possible scenario, especially when you're

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<v Speaker 4>an athlete, when you're any human being. So as a

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<v Speaker 4>medical professional to not say, hold on, even if she

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<v Speaker 4>was in the wrong, to see that she's in pain

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<v Speaker 4>and to know she has this issue, to not say,

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<v Speaker 4>let me take a beat, let me see what I

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<v Speaker 4>can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we can get you in tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe we can get you in later today, because had

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<v Speaker 4>they taken that extra step, they might have seen instantly

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<v Speaker 4>that they were in the wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>They could have done both.

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<v Speaker 3>In other words, they could have shown grace during right

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<v Speaker 3>or grace after right.

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<v Speaker 2>Either or it would have been better than this.

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<v Speaker 3>If they would have shown grace during this, you point out,

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<v Speaker 3>they probably could have rectified it all immediately. If they

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<v Speaker 3>showed grace afterward, it could have been an apology, our mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's lift the suspension and move forward. But they couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>do either right.

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<v Speaker 4>And the crazy thing is is I love how they said, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>she used, you know, foul language. If she would have

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<v Speaker 4>said you are a horrible human being and just left

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<v Speaker 4>out the pleasant adjective, it's my favorite word in the

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<v Speaker 4>English language. If she would have left that out, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like they still would have done this to her

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<v Speaker 4>because she was probably irate when she said it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like it's what she said. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's how she said it, and it is probably all that.

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<v Speaker 3>But then you have to wonder if you're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the hippocratic oath and do no harm, well, there

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<v Speaker 3>has to be some sort of caveat that also says

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<v Speaker 3>help when you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can right right, And that's the thing when you're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about athletes, and when you're talking you have this center,

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<v Speaker 4>so athletes can really perform at their best and their

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<v Speaker 4>highest level. And then when you find out. So there's

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<v Speaker 4>two things that brothered me about this. Number One, you

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<v Speaker 4>found out you were wrong. You didn't even say oops,

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<v Speaker 4>my bad. You said, oh, we were wrong, so sorry

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<v Speaker 4>for you. We're just gonna stay on this road. But

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<v Speaker 4>you didn't even get both sides of the story. So

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<v Speaker 4>their little whack investigation only asked one person, and that

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<v Speaker 4>was the person she said, you're a horrible f in

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<v Speaker 4>human being or whatever she said, But they didn't ask

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<v Speaker 4>the athletes around. The athletes around her said this is terrible,

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<v Speaker 4>This is way too far. This is retaliatory that should

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<v Speaker 4>not be happening. But their voices don't matter either. So

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<v Speaker 4>even the athletes that are in this that are not

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<v Speaker 4>suspended or didn't get access, you have to wonder how

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<v Speaker 4>they feel.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something else to this.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also allegations of selective enforcement of this code of conduct.

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<v Speaker 3>This past winner, a team USA Winter Sport athlete screamed

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<v Speaker 3>and cursed at a US teammate at an international event,

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<v Speaker 3>refusing to stop even after being warned by team officials

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<v Speaker 3>and other teammates. This code of conduct is supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be all encompassing, is when you're trading facility, when you're

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<v Speaker 3>competing all of those things, and if you're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to enforce it all the time, then I really have

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<v Speaker 3>to look at you sideways.

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<v Speaker 4>Even if the whole thing, to me, I just see

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<v Speaker 4>Kobe going soft. You soft, Like, what are we talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking about words, We're not talking about people getting physical.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking about athletes. I don't know an athlete on

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<v Speaker 4>the planet who's never cursed in their lifetime and been

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<v Speaker 4>agitated about something, especially when they're competing at a high level.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is asinine protocol.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, it's soft, and it gives them leeway to

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<v Speaker 4>be selective and who they retaliate against.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's intentional.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if there's not a lawsuit coming only because

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<v Speaker 3>the physical aspect of being in pain and being denied

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<v Speaker 3>treatment and then also being proven that you were wrongfully

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<v Speaker 3>denied treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Lolo Jones, I think is forty one or forty Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is it for her, Yeah, this is it so

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<v Speaker 2>this is.

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<v Speaker 3>The end of her career, and if you denied her

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<v Speaker 3>rehabilitation any type of treatment which shortened her career or

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<v Speaker 3>brought it on quicker, I could see a case there

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<v Speaker 3>I would be interested to see, and especially if you

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<v Speaker 3>start digging up more instances of selective.

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<v Speaker 4>Enforcement, right, And I'm wondering why they're not thinking about that,

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<v Speaker 4>because that would have made me immediately reverse it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Doing you know you're in the wrong, and you're saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you're admitting you're in the wrong, publicly admitting and you're

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<v Speaker 4>in the wrong, but you're still going to suspend like

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<v Speaker 4>there's no one in your legal department that said, hey.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, don't say that.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're watching a YouTube show or on Instagram, you

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<v Speaker 3>can see some of the video of Lolo Jones at

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<v Speaker 3>the point of reference. And she is a marketable individual

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<v Speaker 3>and I I mean not to say that she'll be

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<v Speaker 3>found very sympathetic.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and she's in fantastic shape to be her like

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<v Speaker 4>any age really, but she's in fantastic shape. And so

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to even garner more sympathy because you see

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<v Speaker 4>a woman who knows she's at the end of her career,

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<v Speaker 4>and she's trying to go out with a bang, and

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<v Speaker 4>you denied her the ability to do that. She's going

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<v Speaker 4>to have instant public sympathy.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone else who's in the news when we come back,

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<v Speaker 3>who I don't know, deserves public sympathy. Shaduor Sanders, the

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<v Speaker 3>son of Dion Sanders, you know, coach of Colorado. You

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<v Speaker 3>followed him, We followed the family for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 3>He originally was thought to be a first round draft pick,

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<v Speaker 3>a high first round draft pick. Long story short, deon

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<v Speaker 3>Sanders gotten away and basically boguarded and said certain teams

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<v Speaker 3>were not going to be able to draft his son.

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<v Speaker 4>He dropped to the fifth round for Eli's dad. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know the Eli didn't Eli say something similar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said he was not going to play for

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<v Speaker 3>the San Diego Chargers. But I say that to say

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<v Speaker 3>to set this up that Shadoor Sanders, it was a feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a question about his character.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a question about whether he was mature enough to

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<v Speaker 3>lead a franchise as a quarterback. He gets two speeding

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<v Speaker 3>tickets in a week, one for driving forty miles an

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<v Speaker 3>hour over the limit. I want to talk about that

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<v Speaker 3>with you when we come back, let's do it. If

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<v Speaker 3>We're live on YouTube and everywhere else on social media

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<v Speaker 3>but through the lens of just societal issues and things

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't break down the box Score. We break

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<v Speaker 3>down the issues in sports and how they apply to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Shadoor Sanders, very famous son of legendary football coach Hall

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<v Speaker 3>of Famer Dion Sanders, is now coming into the NFL

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<v Speaker 3>with a lot of expectations and I think maybe shud

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<v Speaker 3>Or Sanders fancy himself a little better than he is.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll see what happens on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that if you're going to play quarterback in

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL, you are looked at as the face of

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<v Speaker 3>the franchise. Presumably after every game you are doing the

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<v Speaker 3>interview speaking on behalf of the team. Right, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to carry a much larger load and from that, higher expectations,

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<v Speaker 3>higher maturity level demanded. And when I see that Shudor

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<v Speaker 3>sanders not one but two speeding tickets, one for going

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<v Speaker 3>ninety one and a sixty five zone and one going

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<v Speaker 3>two days apart, that says to me that there may

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<v Speaker 3>be some immaturity issues, which has been highlighted in recent

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's more than immaturity though too. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's a level of entitlement. I think because of

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<v Speaker 4>who his father is and the expectation and the way

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<v Speaker 4>that he talks, and he does see himself at a

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<v Speaker 4>level that he has not reached yet. So the expectation is,

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<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, is he feels like he can he

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<v Speaker 4>can do these things, and if he does get pulled over,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a oh my god, you're sure and you know

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<v Speaker 4>and then it's over. I think he sees himself at

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<v Speaker 4>a higher stature than what he actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>What scares me is life is going to happen. It

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<v Speaker 2>is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to remind him that he's not for a

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<v Speaker 3>number of reasons. One, because you're a twenty two year

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<v Speaker 3>old black man with flowing a lot of money, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that draws unnecessary attention to you, a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 3>you may not want. And also you're your contract is

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<v Speaker 3>not guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not there.

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<v Speaker 4>But again, so I'm gonna tread lightly on this one, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>because if it was anybody else who had this opportunity,

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<v Speaker 4>this is an opportunity of a lifetime. This is an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity that can change his life. This is not the

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<v Speaker 4>situation for him. He gonna have money regardless, He.

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<v Speaker 3>Had money coming in already because of the nil or

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and so he he's in a different place. I

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<v Speaker 4>can tell you right now. If he gets dropped next week,

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<v Speaker 4>let me hunker down, let me prove myself. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>The first ticket didn't bother me. I'm gonna say that

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<v Speaker 4>the leader, because like it or not, I do think

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<v Speaker 4>that sometimes it's separate. Your life in football is different

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<v Speaker 4>from your real life. However it's not perceived that way.

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<v Speaker 4>How you are perceived is in totality. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>act crazy in the world, they're going to assume you're

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<v Speaker 4>acting crazy in the locker room.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to know.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, whether y' all like it or not, black people

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<v Speaker 4>we have to work twice as hard to get half

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<v Speaker 4>the credit. He knows this because he's seen this, and

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<v Speaker 4>and he has an obligation, in my opinion, to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that he's not only living up to certain standards,

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<v Speaker 4>but he exceeds the standards, and he makes sure that

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<v Speaker 4>the standard that people can say, Oh, if Librador will do.

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<v Speaker 3>confirm or debunk stereotypes, right, and people will look for

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<v Speaker 3>that and they will say, well, he is this or

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<v Speaker 2>Old man because I didn't have that when I was

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<v Speaker 3>Deon Sanders can pull his son aside and say, look,

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<v Speaker 3>you are representing more than just yourself, right, and you

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<v Speaker 3>are also expected to conduct yourself in a different than

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<v Speaker 3>everyone else. And it may not be fair, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>a fact. You have to live up to those expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>Should Door Standers to me, as of yet, has not

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<v Speaker 3>shown that he's ready to accept that level of the responsibility,

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<v Speaker 3>Combine and how he handled his interviews to what he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing right now. I always wish the best for young athletes,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't know that he's getting a wise counsel.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's my concern because you know, if you if

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<v Speaker 4>you're not old enough to remember Dion when he came

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<v Speaker 4>in the league, he was very showy as well. He

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<v Speaker 4>was very over the top, but it was still a limit.

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<v Speaker 4>He's still he was great in interviews.

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<v Speaker 2>His teammates trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't he didn't get in any trouble. His teammates loved him.

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<v Speaker 4>He was he was over the top, but in a

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<v Speaker 4>way that was very acceptable and it made him fun

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't fun, so he has to learn.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm surprised that there's not a level of self

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<v Speaker 4>reflection because sometimes when we just sit back and watch ourselves,

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<v Speaker 4>we can go ooh, that was not the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Should do us.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a generational talent, he's not as far, absolutely, and

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<v Speaker 3>he does not have the personality and affability of his father.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think that maybe that's what we're seeing is

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<v Speaker 4>him understanding that he's not his father, and that's messing

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<v Speaker 4>with his mind in some way.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe, But this is way too late in the game

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<v Speaker 3>to have a you know, an adolescent crisis of you're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to figure it out or Daddy issues. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you want to be in the league, you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to be a man in a man's league.

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<v Speaker 2>And what responsibility does Dion. Dion knows the game, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he has the ultimate responsibility as coach and

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<v Speaker 3>deal with not only the league, but to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know it's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never experienced it, but to be twenty two and

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<v Speaker 3>be worth eight figures, that's insane. Yeah, it's insane, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's I know that I would not have been mature

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<v Speaker 3>enough for it, but this was the adventure that Dion

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<v Speaker 3>and Shaduur have both chosen.

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<v Speaker 4>I think as a parent, I would know that that's

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<v Speaker 4>way too much money for a child, So I think

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<v Speaker 4>as a parent, I would want to set things up

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<v Speaker 4>have people around him. Sometimes the word from your parents

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<v Speaker 4>is not the words you want to hear, so you

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<v Speaker 4>have to make sure that there are other people in

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<v Speaker 4>play that can help. And maybe he just doesn't have that,

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<v Speaker 4>or maybe Dion needs to circulate some people out of

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's another incident like this in the near term,

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<v Speaker 3>then I'm going to start believing that he's just not

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<v Speaker 3>mature enough.

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<v Speaker 2>For the NFL.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't let this speeding if I was Dion, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>snatching his keys. You're gonna get a driver's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sometimes you have to protect people from themselves. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I hope that he will put it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>He will get a chance to prove himself on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point, he may get cut by Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being very.

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<v Speaker 4>Serious, yeah, this one, And that was going to be

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<v Speaker 4>my next question. If he gets cut, do we all

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<v Speaker 4>of a sudden see a different kid who now needs

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<v Speaker 4>he has humbled.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't been humbled yet. He hasn't dealt with any

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<v Speaker 2>real adversity.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he's learned to take responsibility for

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<v Speaker 3>that which he does. You know, if people look at

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<v Speaker 3>him a certain way because of his antics honor off

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<v Speaker 3>the field, he has to own that right. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>a larger message I think for young people and athletes

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<v Speaker 3>in general, beyond shud or Sanders like. Look, I call

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<v Speaker 3>this free wisdom. You don't need to make the same

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes as someone else to be able to extract the

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<v Speaker 3>wisdom from it.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. I wish him the best.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to see him succeed, but it's I think

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<v Speaker 4>his talent will eventually catch up. We just have to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure that his personality is in check.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck your faith Sanders, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But Dion, it's such a humble being now he he is.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know that his son gets that maturation process.

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<v Speaker 2>Of his own father.

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<v Speaker 4>Well. I mean, the kid's been on TV since he

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<v Speaker 4>was little, you know, so it's like he's never he's

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<v Speaker 4>not lived real life yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just be honest, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he I don't think he's the star

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<v Speaker 3>that his father was at eighty level of football.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't tell him that though.

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