WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:24.440 July ten, twenty twenty five, allegedly according to that thing 2 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:28.359 we call a calendar, and this is probably one of 3 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:31.719 the last Ocelli effects that'll be live broadcast and all that, 4 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:36.039 but I will put it on repeat, unlike the Friday 5 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:39.920 show that I have not released and all that. This week, 6 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.960 still attempting to battle PayPal and all that. And I 7 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:49.719 may do a separate show in tonight's proceedings or tomorrow 8 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.799 night about that. But I have something else to focus 9 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:59.920 on here. Why because you know, in twenty fifteen, early 10 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.119 twenty fifteen, as a matter of fact, it was the 11 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:07.560 fifteenth day of February twenty fifteen, the Ocelli Peck went 12 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.359 live for the first time. Now, I had done some 13 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:15.400 podcasts in twenty thirteen, but I released and went live 14 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:19.120 on a little online radio network called ucy dot TV 15 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.079 back then because Jack Blood had hooked me up with 16 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:28.519 them so I could do my first live talk show. 17 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:31.920 Previous to that, I pre recorded stuff, I used sound clips, 18 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.640 I did interesting news stuff. I didn't have guests, so 19 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:39.280 I picked a guest from my group of friends that 20 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:41.400 I had, and it was a friend that I had 21 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.840 had for quite some time. Her name was Joan Mellon. 22 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:49.079 She passed away this week, and we only got a 23 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.159 belated announcement from people to let us know that she 24 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.040 had passed away here in twenty twenty five. So, you know, 25 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.319 eleven years ago, in twenty five fourteen, I had around 26 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:05.159 as the first guest for this very radio show that 27 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.960 has continued on past different networks. Became the Chuck Ocelli Show, 28 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:13.840 briefly on an international network, you know. I was on 29 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.960 the Mike Adams radio network. I was on American Freedom Radio. 30 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.080 I was on a blog talk radio network. I have 31 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.280 been on a lot of different networks and done this 32 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.960 through my own site for over a decade as well. 33 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.599 That's not serious longevity, because I studied the JFK case 34 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:35.719 for a long time before that. I started in like 35 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.879 nineteen eighty eight, when I was like, geez, let me 36 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.960 think about it, fifteen or sixteen years old, and I 37 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.400 was in high school, and I just wanted to debunk 38 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.039 the conspiracy stuff. Really, I thought, most logically, the simplest explanation, 39 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.439 Oswald probably did it, and these conspiracy people are probably crazy. 40 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.080 And then I actually dug into the evidence, actually spoke 41 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.400 to people. The more I did it, the more I 42 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.280 learned I was on the conspiracy side, not because I 43 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.639 chose it, not because I set out with that idea 44 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:09.639 in the first place, but because that's where the evidence 45 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:15.919 led me. Anyway, maybe ten years later, ten years deep, 46 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.120 because nobody took me seriously. First I was a high 47 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.240 school kid. Then I was a heavy metal musician. Then 48 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.080 I was a bouncer. Then I was nobody. I was 49 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.479 even homeless at one point. But you know, one way 50 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:29.879 or another, I kept up on my JFK studies. Somewhere 51 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:32.400 in the late nineties, and I don't remember exactly when 52 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:35.919 it was. I started to make friends. Why because I 53 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.000 had been part of mailing lists, and now I was 54 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:42.080 part of email lists in the late nineties that allowed 55 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.639 me to interact with and write to back and forth, 56 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:49.159 and then eventually share phone numbers with people that were 57 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.639 JFK researchers, authors that were working on books, people that 58 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.599 were working on documentaries, et cetera, et cetera. They dug 59 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.000 into the community that was very similar to the thing 60 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.919 that Vince Silandry, an adult in my house, had gotten 61 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:05.879 on Vince Landria's mailing list. I took over for them, 62 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.080 and we used to staple things together and literally send 63 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.039 paper to one another in the mail. But anyway, later 64 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.560 on in the email convention that went down and I 65 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:19.639 had a completely different email address, was not called the 66 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:23.279 blind JFK researcher just yet, although people used to joke 67 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.160 and refer to me as that, because anytime I had 68 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.439 been seen, I was always seen with magnifying glasses, hanging 69 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.240 off my neck, out of my pockets, you name it. 70 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:36.240 So I was the blind guy examining documents and contributing 71 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.439 to different group efforts. And I was in New Jersey mostly, 72 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.120 although I did move to Connecticut at one point, to 73 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.279 New York, and a couple of points I moved to 74 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.879 California briefly, etc. Etc. 75 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:50.959 Etc. 76 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.439 But in Jersey there was a small group of people 77 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.319 that eventually you would wind up getting in contact with 78 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.839 because you were in Jersey, you got in touch with 79 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.079 people in New York. And then people came to New York. 80 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:06.160 Sometimes they came to New York to study Malcolm X, 81 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.560 and they ran into JFK people and we got together. 82 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:13.399 Sometimes we discussed watergates. Sometimes we discussed deep politics in 83 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.079 America in general, the corrupt system, the gangster state, you 84 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:20.879 name it. Mostly left wing type people to be honest 85 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.160 with you back then. But the strange thing was I 86 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:29.759 was suddenly kind of taken seriously by certain authors who 87 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.560 would talk to me about things, ask me questions, ask 88 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.959 me for advice, get contact information, and I freely shared 89 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.360 things with a lot of people. Joan Mellon was one 90 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.920 of those people, and she didn't ask for much from me. 91 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.040 She would get rather short with me. She was kind 92 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.480 of rude, really, but after a little while we started 93 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.680 to get friendly on the phone. I think she liked 94 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:57.720 my voice. And everybody that had contact with me back 95 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.680 in the late nineties in the early two thous they 96 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:05.199 all had these weird ideas about who I was, even 97 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:08.000 if they had seen me at different get togethers like 98 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:09.519 in two thousand and three when I went to the 99 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.680 WET conference and whatnot, or when I went to Dallas, 100 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:16.360 Texas in the nineties. I didn't go to daily Plaza, 101 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.759 by the way, but just went around to talk to 102 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.959 the people that I had painstakingly arranged appointments with to 103 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.759 interview them, including Henry Wade and other people that were 104 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.120 witnesses that were part of the case, that were players 105 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:34.720 that were participants. Anyway, put all of that aside. In 106 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.439 the late nineties, I did start to get friendly with 107 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.800 Joan Mellon, and then in the early two thousands it 108 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.319 intensified a bit. Now Walt Brown thought I was some 109 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.399 kind of old man because he had always heard about 110 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.360 my poor vision and assumed it was a matter of age. 111 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:52.079 And I didn't meet him until about two thousand and 112 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.959 two or something like that, just before the WET conference, which, 113 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.839 by the way, Walt went to the WEC conference, and 114 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.720 so did Joan, but I only went for one day, 115 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.079 and they didn't know me that well. Though they had 116 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:08.639 seen me. People saw me, but they didn't know exactly 117 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.519 who I was, because I only worked with certain people. Anyway. 118 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.480 That's a discussion for another day. But talking to Joan 119 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.439 on the phone, she had an idea about me. Walt 120 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:20.680 thought I was some sort of old man because of 121 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:22.920 the magnifying glasses and the idea that I was kind 122 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:27.639 of becoming known as the blind JFK researcher guy. And 123 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.720 Joan had a different impression. And I've never said this 124 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.560 publicly before, but Joan, I think, was kind of hitting 125 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.279 on me a little bit because she thought somehow in 126 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.720 her mind, I was probably age appropriate and one of 127 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.839 her contemporaries. By the way I spoke, other people thought 128 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:51.040 that I was a much deeper seasoned investigator, researcher, academic, etc. 129 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.319 Until they actually got to know me and found out 130 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.199 that I was nothing more than a high school graduate 131 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.160 from New Jersey who had some street smarts and not 132 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.199 much else. But the maturity levels to people were open 133 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:06.759 to interpretation. And to be clear, I mean, you know, 134 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:10.439 in nineteen ninety two, I turned twenty, right, so I 135 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.600 was less than thirty years old, and Joan was already 136 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:18.319 in advanced age by then. You know, she was old 137 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:23.519 enough to be my mother, right. Anyway, she started kind 138 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:27.399 of hitting on me until the one day a weird 139 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.800 conversation took place and she kind of did the whole 140 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:31.319 year nothing but a baby. 141 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:33.919 Because of my age. 142 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.720 Thing came out of her mouth, and her attitude and 143 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:42.679 mood changed with me. She was no longer slyly, almost 144 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.799 kind of hitting on me in a weird way. And 145 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:47.919 I think she was hitting on me oddly because she 146 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.200 sort of liked guys that were a little oddballish, that 147 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:58.440 were a little unconventional, it seemed to me. And she 148 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.600 kept her personal life pretty well shielded when she did 149 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.519 JFK research stuff, So you'd have to know her personally, 150 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.679 and I did because I didn't live too far away 151 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.600 from a Remember New Jersey is a very small state, 152 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.960 so she lived in the western part of the state. 153 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:15.600 I lived in the eastern part of the state. And 154 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.799 again in a small state, it was a skinny small state. Nonetheless, 155 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.559 you could drive across the entire state in certain parts 156 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.080 in forty five minutes, in some places in an hour, 157 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.919 and then I think the deepest part of Jersey you 158 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.639 could go from the Atlantic Ocean to the western border 159 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:36.799 in probably an hour and twenty Anyway, small state, but 160 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.200 we didn't get together. I think I screwed that up 161 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.600 by letting her know exactly how old I was at 162 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:49.639 one point, inadvertently, not intentionally, but anyhow, her attitude changed 163 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:52.559 with me about the personal part of it. But she 164 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.039 was still respectful of me, asked me questions, sometimes asked 165 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.080 advice when she was in the midst of figuring out 166 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.720 what to include what not to include. This is how 167 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:06.360 I know. She conducted twelve hundred interviews before releasing that 168 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:11.559 Garrison book, and she knew the guy kind of now. 169 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.879 There of other people have said that she had a 170 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.440 more personal relationship with him, and I don't know that 171 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.919 for a fact. She never quite copped to that with me. 172 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.159 But anyhow, she copped to a lot of interesting things 173 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:27.480 over the years, and she was always kind of a 174 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:32.080 fascinating character. In fact, in a private conversation with another 175 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:36.320 well known author in the JFK community, when I kind 176 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:42.639 of informed them that Joan had passed, they called her 177 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:50.120 a quote colorful personageship. And she was that loud dress 178 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.399 that she wore at the WET conference in two thousand 179 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.320 and three and in other presentations. She loved crazy looking dresses. 180 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:04.720 And she was like the angry creative writing teacher at 181 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:10.159 a private school somewhere. Except here's the real facts. She 182 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:16.360 was a Temple University professor. And you know, she was 183 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.600 the author of twenty four books that I know of 184 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.080 now there's a handful of them that relate directly to 185 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:27.679 the stuff that I was into, but also books on cinema, 186 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.240 you know, politics, different things in the culture, it doesn't matter. 187 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.639 In nineteen seventy two, she was awarded the Mansini, a 188 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:42.159 Shimbun newspaper organization in Japan. This led to her to 189 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:46.879 write five books about Japan including the waves of Genji's 190 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.840 Door Japan through its cinema. Again, an expert on cinema, 191 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.080 an expert on literature, and an expert on creative writing, 192 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:59.000 and somebody who did not suffer fools very well, and 193 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.759 yet this friendship with him. I was very proud of 194 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.919 her when she first released A Farewell to Justice, but 195 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.600 then there were issues with the editing of it, and 196 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:11.879 she was very angry because it didn't quite come out 197 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.720 the way she wanted it to. She got to upgrade it. 198 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.240 And she was in an area of New Jersey called Pennington, 199 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.360 which is not far from Pennsauken, which is where that 200 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:30.960 crazy g Willaker's story happened. Anyway, it doesn't matter. In 201 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.840 two thousand and four, she was awarded one of Temple 202 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:37.600 University's a coveted Great Teacher Awards for outstanding achievement, in 203 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:45.320 particular in the graduate program in creative writing. Okay, anyway, 204 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.679 she had been given various awards. Her husband, Ralph I 205 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.519 can never remember his last name, but she had a 206 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.799 husband at one point and they had divorced years earlier, 207 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:58.600 and he died of I believe Parkinson's probably twenty years 208 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:05.039 ago now. Anyway, she wrote a book called The Battle 209 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:10.840 of Algiers, Okay, which has been you know, quoted about 210 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.240 in lots of ways about nine to eleven and the situations 211 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.279 referring to that. She wrote Blood in the Water about 212 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.799 the USS liberty, and I interviewed her about many of 213 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.960 these things, mainly focusing on the JFK stuff, mainly focusing 214 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.879 on the deep politics. But I proudly did that, and 215 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.039 like I said, I selected her to be the first 216 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:32.879 live interview, so I had somebody who's material I was 217 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:36.679 familiar with and I was comfortable with, and I knew 218 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:41.039 would be a serious first punch throne in the ring 219 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:46.759 from my media experiment, somebody that was going to present 220 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:51.120 real information studied from an independent point of view. Was 221 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.000 a rare woman in the field of conspiracy type writing, 222 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:02.600 and I thought, perfect, this is who I need. Anyway, 223 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.399 our relationship continued on for many years, and we were friends, 224 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:10.120 and I advised her and had little arguments with her 225 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:13.080 over the years and this and that, and even at 226 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.840 one point I think, now I'm a little uncertain on 227 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.519 the timeline here, but I do know that at one 228 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:22.720 point she was asking me my opinion about how to 229 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.320 handle Walt Brown regarding getting a hold of some materials 230 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.320 she needed for that book. Faustian bargain about you know 231 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.720 Mac Wallace, and she went in with the intent of 232 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.919 laying out once and for all, here's Mac Wallace, the 233 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.000 unknown JFK Assassin, because people had gotten her to take 234 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.480 that idea seriously, and when she studied it and found 235 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:47.919 that the fingerprint was bogus and been published it, it 236 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.399 outraged the community to a degree that people just do 237 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.960 not want to hear. I even brought that up with 238 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:59.919 Billy Celestie's grandson on the show, right, and I swe 239 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.840 whereby a whole majority of what Joan has written on 240 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:12.960 the case, she's been absolutely accurate, correct, and perfectly notable. 241 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:15.320 If you want to get into the serious study of 242 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:18.799 the facts, the case, the history, the people. This woman 243 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:25.559 did the work and I appreciated it for it. Anyway, 244 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.679 cutting to the chase and getting to more recent years, 245 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.600 twenty twenty comes around and I'm still in contact with 246 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:34.360 Joan off and on. I had had her on the 247 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.879 show every time she published a book. I would tell her, 248 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:38.960 I gotta have you on. I want to promote it. 249 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.679 Don't care what it's about. I would love to read 250 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.559 it first, but let's talk about it, and I would. 251 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:47.799 I would get a book, I'd get it from her publisher, 252 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.759 I would buy it, I would acquire it. It didn't matter. 253 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.039 Sometimes she would send them to me, and sometimes she forgot. 254 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:00.840 And that was just Joan. She was busy, and she 255 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.799 only wanted to talk to people that wanted to be 256 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:07.039 serious about things. Even when she participated in that thing 257 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:13.320 with John Barber regarding the jfk assassination and Jim Garrison, 258 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.759 she got angry because she felt that people were misrepresenting 259 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:20.399 things in Garrison's history. So she wound up writing a 260 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.279 whole book on that too, by the way, his life 261 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:27.639 and times, you know, the sequel to Farewell to Justice, 262 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:30.279 where she feels, you know, Garrison was kind of screwed 263 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.240 by a lot of things that happened there In the case, 264 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:37.519 she also turned around and decided to give people a 265 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:42.240 full history of Jim Garrison in a biographer's way. By 266 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.519 the way, Joan was an excellent biographer. And I always said, 267 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:47.679 if I could get anybody in the world to write 268 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:49.960 the biography about me, it would have been Joan Mellon. 269 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.799 If I could have, you know, afforded her and who knows. 270 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.399 Maybe I could have commissioned her for free, but I 271 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.240 never asked. I didn't ask much of Joan. I did 272 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:03.879 ask one though, for a book, because I had bought 273 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.720 it three four times and people had either stolen it 274 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.039 or it had been lost three four times already. And 275 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.000 she said something one day to me when I was 276 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.319 producing a show for somebody else about don't you have 277 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.480 all my books? And I said, I have had all 278 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.680 your books, but I'm missing one, and I would like 279 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:22.759 it if I had one from you that was autographed, 280 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.079 because she was willing to send to the host of 281 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:29.440 the show a couple of books. So I said, you know, John, 282 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:31.240 we've known each other for years. I'd love to get 283 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:32.400 a book from you, but I got to give you 284 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:37.319 my new address. She started to question me, and she 285 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:43.200 was a skilled interrogator in a civilian way. When it 286 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:44.200 came to getting. 287 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:45.240 Facts out of people. 288 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.440 When it came to really drilling down and instinctively digging 289 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.400 in just the right spot to get out a piece 290 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.599 of information, even if somebody was trying to hold it 291 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.640 back a little bit, she was pretty good at it. 292 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.279 She dug on me, and I tried to deflect, and 293 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.440 I tried to defer, and I tried to kinds of 294 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.599 things to find out if I was willing to take 295 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:11.200 the vaccine to it. I said no, and also told 296 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.359 her that I wasn't going to, and nor was anyone 297 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.119 in my family going to. She flipped out on me. 298 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.720 This was an extreme thing in her mind, that it 299 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:21.960 was like an evil thing that people were not being 300 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:26.839 vaccinated because the vaccine had just become available. In fact, 301 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:29.000 she had a personal thing that occurred which people did 302 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.640 wind up hearing about, where she called up I don't know, 303 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.720 a congressman, state representative, something, freaking out, literally threatening to 304 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:40.839 kill herself if somebody didn't come and give her a vaccine. 305 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:43.079 I'm not saying that Joan was one hundred percent right 306 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.319 about everything in the world, and I disagreed with her 307 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.920 politically and socially and in a lot of different ways 308 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.400 about a lot of different things. But when it came 309 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:53.119 to the stuff she worked on in research, she was 310 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.759 usually pretty good. But we disagreed about people's personal freedoms 311 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:02.400 and vaccination. So she swore, I will never send you 312 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:07.039 a book unless you send me your vaccination certificate. So 313 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:08.599 I told her, I guess I'm not getting a book 314 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:17.519 and that's the way that sat. Anyway, she even requested 315 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:19.720 that I help when she wanted to do a Lancer 316 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.759 presentation and she was going to record remotely, because going 317 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.039 back to twenty fourteen, even I had to help her 318 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:26.880 with her Skype. She didn't know how to operate her 319 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:28.519 Skype at all. I mean I barely knew what I 320 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.319 was doing with the technology, but I knew how to 321 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.519 use Skype in twenty fourteen, and she was nervous about it, 322 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:35.400 didn't want to use it, didn't know how to use it, 323 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:38.519 And several times I ended up interviewing her over the 324 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:41.200 phone on the show, but the first interview I did 325 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:46.960 was on Skype. Anyhow, her issues with technology and her 326 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:52.799 issues with you know, understanding some complex things grew into 327 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:57.920 something else. But during a certain time after the vaccination fiasco, 328 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.480 and even before it, she had asked that I help 329 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:08.680 her do her Lancer recorded presentation via zoom, and I did. 330 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:11.759 I showed up the one time and did one with her. 331 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:14.599 I'm sure it can be found out there, or if not, 332 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.519 Lancer might release it, you know, or whatever, but I 333 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:22.559 know it's available. And then a couple of years later 334 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.000 she was going to do another one, and that was 335 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:29.240 the same year that the QA non people flooded Daly 336 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:32.279 Plaza and we're holding up signs waiting for JFK Junior 337 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:37.279 to return. Anyway, Joan had postponed and canceled, and this 338 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.880 was something that she did sometimes too, especially when she 339 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:44.160 was nervous about using technology. This was commonplace. And then 340 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.799 we me and Gabby were waiting around for her to 341 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:51.839 show up to record her presentation for Lancer a couple 342 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.799 of months before Lancer, and we got a message, I 343 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:57.839 am not showing up. I am sick of the people 344 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.319 in the community. I see these idiots on the lawn 345 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.279 and QA Noon and all this, and I've had it 346 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.799 with all of you. Conferences are garbage. Anybody who participates 347 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:10.400 in them are garbage. And I'm done with it now. 348 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.720 Joan had presented at Lancer, had presented at many places. 349 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.680 In fact, I offered to be her bodyguard when she 350 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.960 was petrified over the threats made to her by Roger 351 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:24.119 Stone via email mostly but he threatened to do some 352 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.319 pretty serious harm to the woman. Told her I would 353 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:30.480 be her personal bodyguard in Dallas, Texas if she required it. 354 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:35.640 But anyway, that didn't come to pass. Roger Stone didn't 355 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.079 actually injure her. She did report him to the FBI 356 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:43.480 and they did nothing about it. But anyway, roger Stone 357 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.440 usually seemed to get out of things even when he 358 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:47.799 seemed to do them. 359 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:49.000 Isn't that amazing? 360 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.359 But that's not what this show is about today. Back 361 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.119 to the situation with the Lancer recording, I'm done with you, 362 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.960 all of you people of the community. JFK. Everything gone 363 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.839 because the QA non being on the lawn at Daily 364 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:08.000 Plaza that year, and she was still maintaining this angry 365 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.160 retort with me about I'll give you a book when 366 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.839 I see your vaccination certificate. And I produced a couple 367 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.119 of shows and then left it alone for a little while. 368 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.720 Then I started to notice that Joan was acting a 369 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:27.519 bit erradically problematically. She needed help. She was clearly declining 370 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.640 a little bit. And the last interview I did with 371 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.480 her was over this catfishing book she did Sherlock gets 372 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:38.119 catfished or whatever, and it's about her getting sucked into 373 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:43.119 some online relationship with somebody, and she writes about it 374 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.680 in that book. And I have that book, and I 375 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:47.920 did a show on that book on this network or 376 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.400 on my little network anyway, put it out there as 377 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.599 I would for any Joan Mellon book, because you know what, 378 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.680 even if I don't agree with all of her conclusions, 379 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:04.160 always stuff is so well written and deeply researched. Always. Anyhow, 380 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:08.559 I had her on for that she would get angry 381 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:10.960 at me and then vacillate back to not being angry 382 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.880 at me. And then she sent me the wrong book. 383 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:20.880 After finally acquiescing and not getting my vaccination certificates, she 384 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:25.200 sent me the wrong book. I'll let that go. And 385 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.079 then I wanted to interview her again, and I called 386 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:28.839 her up and talked to her a little bit, and 387 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:32.000 I decided I didn't want to bring her on the air, 388 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:35.400 just like there was a time period with Jordan Maxwell 389 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.000 where I could have brought him back on for one 390 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.720 of his last interviews, and I didn't want to do 391 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.920 it because Jordan didn't sound right and Joan wouldn't have 392 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.240 sounded right, and she was easily set off. She got 393 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.680 angry the last time she was on my show because 394 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:51.640 I asked her a question from the chat room. She 395 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:55.680 took it the wrong way and got angry and basically 396 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.160 gave me all kinds of crap. Buy email messages for 397 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:02.559 a couple of days, angry me. How dare your people 398 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:09.640 even challenge me? She had clearly changed. She wasn't the 399 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:11.559 friend of mine that was willing to make jokes and 400 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.319 talk to me about the Mets. She wasn't the friend 401 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:16.039