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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. As the Truth Commission in New Mexico continues

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<v Speaker 1>to try and figure out what happened when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to Jeffrey Epstein and his behavior in the state of

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico. There are some lawmakers in the state who

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a big joke, and instead of getting on

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<v Speaker 1>board and trying to figure out what's what, instead they're

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<v Speaker 1>just talking a bunch of nonsense and they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>gum up the process. So today we have an article

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<v Speaker 1>from the Santa Fe, New Mexican detailing the situation and

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on down to New Mexico, headlined the Roundhouse Report,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans call on Epstein Truth Commission to subpoena Holland and Stansbury.

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<v Speaker 1>This article was authored by Daniel J. Chacone State Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans want Democratic gubernatorial nominee Deb Holand and US Representative

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<v Speaker 1>Melanie Stansbury to come clean about their ties to late

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<v Speaker 1>convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and his associates, even though

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<v Speaker 1>Holland has already provided an explanation backed by records, and

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<v Speaker 1>Stansbury' supposed connection has been debunked. So they're just passing

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<v Speaker 1>on misinformation to try and play partisan politics. Instead of saying, look,

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<v Speaker 1>something went wrong in New Mexico and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what it was. Instead they want to play

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<v Speaker 1>these little games, these what aboutism games, And the sad

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<v Speaker 1>part is they're using information that's not even real. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if Stansbury or Holland had actual ties to Epstein, then

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<v Speaker 1>yeah they should be testifying. But I haven't seen any

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that backs up those assertions. The Senate gopacauck Is

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<v Speaker 1>called Thursday for a truth commission investigating Epstein's activities in

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico, specifically at his former Zoro ranch in southern

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Fe County, to subpoena the two Democrats to compel

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<v Speaker 1>them to testify under oath about their knowledge of and

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<v Speaker 1>connections to Jeffrey Epstein and individuals associated with his criminal network. Cool,

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<v Speaker 1>so the state of New Mexico should also subpoena Howard Lutnik, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>how about Darren Endyke, how about Donald Trump? How about

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Black? I mean, if is this the game that

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<v Speaker 1>the state GOP wants to play in New Mexico, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that they really thought this through not doing

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<v Speaker 1>so would undermine the Commission's credibility. Republicans warned, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what's really undermining their credibility, these idiots running their mouths

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<v Speaker 1>and acting stupid. What they're trying to do is destroy

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<v Speaker 1>the credibility of the Commission. That's what they're attempting to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And whether that's to protect their people or not, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but that's certainly the game here. And if

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<v Speaker 1>these local politicians down in New Mexico think they're a slick,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here to tell them they're not subpoenaing federal agencies

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<v Speaker 1>while giving a pass to two of the most powerful

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats in New Mexico is not transparency. Senate Minority Leader

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Sr of Farmington said in a statement, Hey, dumbfuck

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<v Speaker 1>from Farmington, those federal agencies that got subpoenas they were involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Miss Stansbury or Miss Holland involved. Show me the

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<v Speaker 1>documentation and I'll gladly have them called up to the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is you don't have that documentation, and instead, what

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to do is to delegitimize the whole process.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guarantee you the people of New Mexico are

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<v Speaker 1>going to realize that as well. It's selective accountability, and

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexicans will see right through it. No, mister Share,

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to see through what you're up to, buddy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to see through it, because what you're up

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<v Speaker 1>to is unbelievably disgusting. The Caucus called on the Commission,

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<v Speaker 1>which is made up of two Democratic and too Republican

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<v Speaker 1>House members, to take up the matter at its next

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<v Speaker 1>meeting and issue subpoenas accordingly. We what they should do

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<v Speaker 1>is issue a subpoena to mister Sharer. What does he know?

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<v Speaker 1>How long has he been in office? How many connections

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<v Speaker 1>as he had with people surrounding Epstein? If that's a

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<v Speaker 1>game he wants to play, But what it really does

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<v Speaker 1>is it stumps justice and it makes the process grind

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<v Speaker 1>to a halt. When you start lobbing around accusations about

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<v Speaker 1>the Commission itself, well you're not focusing on the people

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<v Speaker 1>that you should focus on. So I wonder if mister

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<v Speaker 1>Sharer got a nice fat paycheck to run this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of interference. I mean, he's throwing out a bunch of allegations.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what happened? Mister Scherer, are you on the take.

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<v Speaker 1>Should the Commission decline to pursue this common sense step,

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<v Speaker 1>the Caucus and the citizens of New Mexico will be

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<v Speaker 1>forced to question whether the Commission, as currently constituted, is

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<v Speaker 1>capable of conducting the truly nonpartisan, survivor centered investigation it's promised.

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexicans Republicans said in the news release, like they

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<v Speaker 1>care stop it. They're taking their cue from Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, Donald Trump says it's a hoax. We can

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<v Speaker 1>get away with the same thing. I assure you you cannot.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have the backing that Trump has. And mister Shaer,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what. You weren't on the clock before, but you

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<v Speaker 1>are now. So now we're gonna be watching all your nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>everything you say, and if you obstruct the process, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call you out. And I know people like mister

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<v Speaker 1>share are not used to being accountable for anything, but

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<v Speaker 1>guess what that should be, seld And if you think

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna insert yourself into this and try and be

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<v Speaker 1>an obstacle to transparency and justice, buddy, you got another

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<v Speaker 1>thing coming. We believe the Committee should look at every lead,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of who that may be. The Republican members Representatives

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea Reeb of Clovis and Bill Hall of Farmington said

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<v Speaker 1>in a joint statement, Well, yeah, if you have evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of deb Hiland and Stansbury being tied to Epstein, let's

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Provide the evidence, and then if there's evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have them come in and talk about what they know.

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<v Speaker 1>The chair Representative, Andrea Romero, a Santa Fe Democrat, declined

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<v Speaker 1>a request for an interview. In a statement, she said

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<v Speaker 1>the Bipartisan Commission was structured as an independent body for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason, to conduct an investigation driven by evidence and

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<v Speaker 1>the pursuit of justice for victims. What they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do on a smaller level, obviously, is the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>the DOJ is doing, and that's to cause enough reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>doubt amongst the populace to make people question whatever results

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<v Speaker 1>are found. It's a preemptive strike. The Commission, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>is committed to pursuing all credible leads and welcomes information

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<v Speaker 1>of a leg wrongdoing in New Mexico involving Epstein. We

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<v Speaker 1>will maintain an open, transparent process and encourage members of

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<v Speaker 1>the public to join us in person or online for

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<v Speaker 1>our next meeting on August fifth, where will release an

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<v Speaker 1>interim report on our findings thus far. She said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, let's see it. And again, look, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>taking up for Stansbury or Holland. I don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>either of them. What I care about the truth. And

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<v Speaker 1>unless they have something that we've never seen before, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they're working with the truth when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mister Scherer and his nonsense. Here, the Republican release

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<v Speaker 1>reiterates Holland flew on a private jet chartered by Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fourteen while she was running for lieutenant governor

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<v Speaker 1>alongside Democratic gubernatorial nominee Gary King, a long time Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>associate who had requested the use of his personal plane. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no doubt that Gary King was associated with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein one hundred percent. I mean he bought the

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<v Speaker 1>ranch from the King family. The jet in question was

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<v Speaker 1>not Epstein's. Rather, he had asked his employees to organize

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<v Speaker 1>the jet for Gary King. According to emails in the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein files, a flight log Liz Holland as one of

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<v Speaker 1>five passengers, but Holland has said through spokespeople she was

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<v Speaker 1>unaware of Epstein's involvement. Well, she should come before the

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<v Speaker 1>Commission and lay it all out. That's all pretty simple, right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have nothing to hide, come forward and lay

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<v Speaker 1>it all out. If gubernatorial candidate deb Holland has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to hide, I'm sure she will have no issue publicly

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<v Speaker 1>explaining what she was doing on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet

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<v Speaker 1>to the people of New Mexico. Scherer said, And look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to call the Republicans game, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to show your hand, show up. Okay, look fine, I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is ridiculous. I've already explained you know what

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<v Speaker 1>my role here was. But I'm here before the Commission

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<v Speaker 1>to show that I believe in the process, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>willing to stand tall before the man and answer the

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<v Speaker 1>questions you think I should answer. Republicans also want the

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<v Speaker 1>Commission to questions Stansbury about her supposed ties to Epstein's

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<v Speaker 1>accomplice Glane Maxwell. It's been reported that Congresswoman Melanie Stansbury

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<v Speaker 1>may have previously been employed by a nonprofit organization with

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<v Speaker 1>ties to document that Epstein associate and fellow criminal conspirator

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn Maxwell. The Republicans release dates. The reports have been

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<v Speaker 1>proven to be false, though Stansbury or her staff. There

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<v Speaker 1>are some responsibility due to an inaccurate financial disclosure form,

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<v Speaker 1>as reported last year in The New Mexican Stansbury initially

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<v Speaker 1>had listed Taramar Project of Woburn, Massachusetts as one of

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<v Speaker 1>her employers. Maxwell's nonprofit was Taramar Project and at one

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<v Speaker 1>point showed Woburn as its address. But the organization Stansbury

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<v Speaker 1>worked for when she was an independent policy and management

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<v Speaker 1>consultant between twenty seventeen and twenty one was Taramar Consulting

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<v Speaker 1>Group in Santa Fe. So, look, this is the problem

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<v Speaker 1>I have. The Republicans down here in Santa Fe have

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<v Speaker 1>every right to demand accountability, and they should, but they

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be playing games. They know that this paperwork that

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<v Speaker 1>Stansbury filed is in for Glenn Maxwell's TAMAR, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>still going to try and use it as a cudgel.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately, what that does is it takes away from

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<v Speaker 1>the legitimacy of the process overall. And look, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that the Democrats are doing the same thing. How

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<v Speaker 1>many times have I said it about people like Robert Garcia,

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, it's one of the biggest problems and

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<v Speaker 1>the largest impediments on the path to justice. We have

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<v Speaker 1>way too many people that want to make it political

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<v Speaker 1>instead of just going after people who were involved full stop.

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<v Speaker 1>When Stansbury's campaign staff first filed her financial disclosures for

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<v Speaker 1>her candidacy for her congressional seat, they entered her financial

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<v Speaker 1>information into the House system and mistakenly clicked on an

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<v Speaker 1>auto populated field, misidentifying the consultancy, a spokesperson said at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, adding Stansbury corrected the filing once the mistake

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<v Speaker 1>was caught. Allegation Stansbury worked for an organization with ties

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<v Speaker 1>to Maxwell are untrue. Stansbury's campaign said in a statement

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<v Speaker 1>last year. Okay, so that's what she said. And this

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<v Speaker 1>has been going on for over a year. If the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans know that this is the case, why are they

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<v Speaker 1>bringing it up now? If you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>deb Holland and have her talk about you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Gary King flights. Okay maybe, but I think this when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to Stansbury, with this being proven to not

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<v Speaker 1>be the company she was working for, is a swing

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<v Speaker 1>and a miss for the Republicans. Here are the facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Stansbury worked as an independent consultant with a small

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Fe based consulting firm called Tara Mar Consulting Group.

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<v Speaker 1>In this role, Representative Stansbury work with the Santa Fe

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<v Speaker 1>based consultant and the Hewlett Foundation on a water policy project.

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Stansbury has absolutely no ties to the similarly named

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<v Speaker 1>Tara Mar project, which was misreported, according to the statement. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's her going on record saying that she has

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<v Speaker 1>no ties to tell a Mar. But now if we

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<v Speaker 1>find out she does, the conversation changes, right. But as

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<v Speaker 1>of now, this is an unsubstantiated report that's attempted to

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<v Speaker 1>be wielded as fact. And that's where I have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Right wing outlets continuing to traffic in these lives are false, libelous,

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to distract from the real story, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's ties to Maxwell and the Epstein files. The

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<v Speaker 1>statement continued, So, look, the Republicans down in New Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>obviously have no desire to see this through. They have

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<v Speaker 1>no desire to find out the truth, and instead they

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<v Speaker 1>want to play games. And maybe they should take some

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<v Speaker 1>of this passion and turn it on Jeffrey Epstein's associates,

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<v Speaker 1>because at the end of the day, that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>commission has been in paneled for so my suggestion is

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<v Speaker 1>stop with the infighting, stop with the nonsense, and instead

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the business at hand. And as this are

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<v Speaker 1>argument continues to play out, We're gonna be here every

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<v Speaker 1>step of the way. All the information that goes with

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