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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of Spooky Tells a book Club. Oh and Milo's here, Yes,

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Milo's behind Carman. If you're on watching on YouTube, you'll

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see Milo's head and his little ears just stood up.

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So cute. Anyway, Yeah, this is not a regular episode.

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It is a book Club episode. Book Club, book Club,

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book Club, book Club. We're holding our books and moving

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them up and down. Yeah, so our book Club episode

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on Binata. By and in case this is anyone's first

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book Club episode, this is not spoiler free. Only the

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initial summary. We give a spoiler free after that. After

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that we're gonna go through the entire plot. Yeah, you

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know how like there's movie recap, this is like a

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book recap. That's how we do our book Club episodes.

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We do a little short synopsis, like the one you

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read when you buy the book, the one actually in

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the back back of the book. We're gonna read that.

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Then we're going to do a recap of the book.

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We opine a little bit throughout the recap. Throughout the recap,

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we give our thoughts on certain parts. We read quotes

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that we really like. Yeah, at the end of the recap,

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we go through the discussion questions that were sent out

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to everyone, which actually nobody answered this time. But you

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know what, it's a busy time of year. You're right,

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you're right, and it's okay people, it's okay if you didn't,

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I know, people read it. Oh, it's okay if you

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don't answer any questions. Yeah, we just like reading them.

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But it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Yeah, I love

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reading their answers. Yeah. But you know what I forgive

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everyone today at the time of recording, it's been a

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rough it's been a rough day. We won't get into it,

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but we are recording in the sixth Yeah, so once

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you hear the date, you'll know why. It's been a

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rough day for a lot of us, a lot of yeah,

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a lot of people. And that's why we're just gonna

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we're just getting together and talking about a book, you know. Yeah,

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because in times of turmoil, times of difficulties, we're just

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to keep telling our little ghost stories in these times,

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We're just going to keep telling our little ghost stories

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and reading our little horror books and just continuing on

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being little as spooky bitches. But the real life horror

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is every day. Yeah, and so we're just going to

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escape into our ghostly horrors. When I tell you I've

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been reading NonStop this whole year is because this whole

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year has been awful for me. But and you know,

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yesterday was just more awful on top of the already

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awfulness that I've been going through. And that's why I

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read almost sixty something books this year, and that's why

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I've watched so many shows The Wonking Dad eleven seasons

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of The Wonking Dead and now this Dixon is real.

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But also list leading to community, like there's no need

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to despair. You know, we have each other, we do Okay, yes,

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so you want to read the back of the book. Yeah,

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this is our only spoiler free section. We're reading the

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back of the book. The synopsis is over. Spoilers galore. Okay,

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they were worshiped by our ancestors. Now they're forgotten. Soon

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they'll make us remember it was supposed to be the

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perfect summer. Okay. Sorry. This whole time I was reading

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the book, I read Godman like in Spanish, but I

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never say my name is Spanish unless I'm talking in Spanish.

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That made me laugh. That is true. The whole time

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I was like what if this was actually Carmen? What

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if she No? I want to be this honestly. Okay,

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we'll get into it. We'll get it, It'll get it. Okay.

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Godman Sanchez is back in Mexico, supervising the renovation of

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an ancient abbey. Her daughters, Isle and Luna, too young

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to be left alone in New York, join her, and

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what Godman hopes is a chance for them to connect

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with their roots. Then an accident at the worksite unerts

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a stash of rare, centuries old artifacts. The disaster costs

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got Mean her job, cutting the family trip short, but

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something malevolent and unexplainable follows him home to New York,

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stalking the Sanchez family and heralding a coming catastrophe, and

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it may already be too late to escape what's been awakened.

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Dunt dun, dum dum, perfect right on key and from

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now on spoilers. Okay, Oh you know what, Okay, let

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me just read the nose of the Amazon, because it's different.

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It's a little bit different. Yeah, So a head full

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of Ghosts meets Hereditary in have you seen? Have you

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read a head full of Ghosts? I have not seen

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that I thought it was a book. Yeah, I know

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it is a book. I said, it's because The Hereditary

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is a movie. A headful of Ghosts is I kept

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seeing a head full of Ghosts meets Mexican Gothic, which, honestly,

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it's nothing like Mexican Gothic. It's nothing like either book,

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and I just wish they would just say something different. Yeah,

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it's it's like the other one is a possession story,

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and I guess that's then and involves a girl and

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and a family, So I guess in those ways, it's

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a nosense in that sense, nobody in the sense that Yeah. So,

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Carmen Sanchez is back in her home country of Mexico,

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overseeing the renovation of an ancient cathedral into a boutique hotel.

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Her teen daughters, isl and Luna are with her for

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the summer and left to fill their afternoons and supervised

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in a foreign city. The locals treat the sancha's a

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woman like outsiders, while Carmen's contractors openly define sabotage her work.

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After a disastrous accident at the consertion site, nearly interests Luna,

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Carmen's had enough. They're leaving back in New York, Luna

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beg exactly strange and only is notices the chilling changes

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that are happening to her younger sister. But it might

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be too late for the Sanchez family to escape what's

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been awakened. So some parts are different, parts are similar.

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I feel like that's not right. That's the reason. Not right.

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She doesn't leave because she has enough. She leaves, They

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take her off of the job. This is what Goodreads said,

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and they all notice the creepiness that she, like is said,

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is not the only one that I'm sooner than others?

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like to they excuse it, but they notice it. Okay,

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let's fa to it. Let's get it into your recap.

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Yeah yeah, okay. So the book starts with the prologue.

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Said in the past, Oh my god, that prologue was amazing.

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It was. Yes, I had me hooked just from there,

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you know, immediately hooked. Yeah, yeah, I was. You know

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what it reminded me of, Sorry, should I finish before No? No,

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this is our book club. We do what we want.

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Go on. Well, it reminded me of doesn't the haunting

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Alejandra start off with the prologue that's similar like in

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the past. Yes, yes, that's what reminded me of Yeah, okay,

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now you can go ahead. That's okay. Yeah, again, amazing prologue.

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So as you read, you realize we're not in modern Mexico.

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We're at the fall of the Orhico today. In the

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book there or in the prologue, they're talking about how

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locals are dying from either the conquest or diseases that

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the Friars are immune to because they're bitches because they

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brought them. Yeah, exactly, precisely. Cemente and the Friar are

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forcing children to recite lave Maria the prayer. Then one

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of the friars tells an indigenous child that is the

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translator for the rest of them. I think it was

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a man. Oh, I thought it was another. They said

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just a translator, and I assumed there was a trial.

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I assume there was a man. So interesting, Yeah, okay,

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someone the translator. He the friar tells the translator, whoever

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breaks the piata gets a price. And I'm going to

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read this part from the book because it's too good.

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So where this is pat that tell them to strike

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it milkiades, that's the friar said to the interpreter, and

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whoever breaks it gets a price. The other friar sneaker

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like little fucking bitches. Sorry I edit that on. Amused

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by the child's realization of what he was being asked

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to do. Tell him it's a game shortly, the boy said, anxiously.

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The child turned to the clergyman, white eyed, and then

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turned back to the rest of the children, Not daring

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to look at the pot. He his teeth as his

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shoulders heaved and began to cry melgia. This pushed him

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toward the pot, trying to make him hold the stick.

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know what, I think you're right, it is a man. Yeah.

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want to strike it. The children shrieked, I can't, I shouldn't.

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It's an offering. It can't just be spilled. The boy

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holding the stick repeated again and again. The interpreter translated.

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The friar slapped the boy's head and called another child

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older than the first, forcing the stick into his hands,

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hit it down it or I'll have you beaten dead

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right there, Melgialis said. The boy swung and connected with

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the pot, immediately dropping the stick, hoping that he had

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fulfilled the request. But the friar continued to shout and

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grab the stick from the ground, showing it back into

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the boy's hands, pressing firmly so he won't drop it again.

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isn't what the piatas were meant for. There's supposed to

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be a sacrifice, not to you know, break in this manner.

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I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit, okay, So when

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he does the final strike, the pinata, which is like

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a clay pot, it's not the pingata as we know today,

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but the pinata cracks and breaks and there's, like, let

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me read this, flesh entrails and a deep break in

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the syrup of coagulated blood poured from the shattered base

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of the pinata. The shrieks of children grew louder, watching

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and wailing in their hopelessness. Can you fucking imagine that

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you're breaking a piata? And literal, what are they putting

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in there? I thought that's what they put to like

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for their sacrifice or yeah, they're not, but they're not

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meant to be broken. So that's why, right, Yeah, but

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can you I just you're breaking a piata and yeah,

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this falls out. Yeah, it's horrifying. This is like the

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the whites are taking what they're supposed to be sacrificed

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and just doing whatever they want. Like they're like corrupting

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this ritual, this cultural like spiritual ritual. They're just fucking

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it up. Yeah, with no regard or care, like exactly. Yeah,

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group of kids and he tells them you'll find that

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God doesn't ask for blood and viscera, none of these

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barbaric offerings your ancestors gave. But then he turns around

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and he beats this kid to death. Horrible, and I

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wonder what is more barbaric? No, you know, it was

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so creepy too, Like he says before it's before he

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beats him up right, Yeah, he says, the Almighty only

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wants your soul. Yeah that's creepy. I'm sorry, that's yeah,

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that's it's horrifying. Yeah. So there's another young boy that

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refuses to break the next pot, and that's the boy

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that gets beat to death by Melkaddis and nobody stops him. Yeah.

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When the sister of this boy tries to stop them,

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the same friar tells her, don't worry, child, the dogs

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will eat him, so he will finally be of some use.

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He'll return to the arms of one of your horrid gods.

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Then we learn that this little girl, her name is

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kit Sally, which will come back. Yeah, and she's apparently

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quite the troublemaker want to tie her up and she

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manages to run and they are chasing her. Then the

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same friar goes back to his room at the abbey.

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When he walks into his room there, I'm reading this

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from the book. When he walks into his room at

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the abbey, he like, here's something and so he's like, hello,

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who's there? And this is from the book. A terrible

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pale face, skeletal and eye lists emerged from the shadow

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near skinless, what flesh and maintained, hung tattered and decaying

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from its visage like ribbons. The imagery Oh yeah, its

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body unrevealed. The face drew nearer to the fryar as

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its neck extended farther and farther. Sit back horrified, his

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breath catching in his throat, asking his God for protection.

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Just reminds me of the aparment. We always yes, no

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God here whatever say. Worst line ever, so screapy, I

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mean creepy, I come whatever, I come by scary and

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creepy and screepy. You know what, should we start saying that? No? No, no, no, no,

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I don't like it. I mean you could say it

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if you want. I don't know, Like screepy. Stop trying

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to make screepy happen. It's not gonna happen. And the

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Friar is pretty much killed by this entity in his room.

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I was so scared this, Like immediately you're like, what

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the hell? Yeah, that's the prologue. That's not even starts

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right off the bat, right off the bat, and then

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we get to chapter one. We meet Carmen and her

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two daughters. Eleven year old Luna, we meet the fam, Yes,

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the fam, sixteen year old Isel. They're in Tulancingo, is Ago, Mexico,

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far from their hometown of New York. Right away we

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learned they're there because of Carmen's work. El the sixteen

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year old Little Brady, six year old it's Mexico. She's

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such a you know what. It seems that they don't

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know Spanish either, right or do they? It seems I

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think they know it a little bit, like a tiny amount. Yeah, well,

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I think they know more Spanish. But she refuses to

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tea Spanish because he said, the younger one is communicating

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with all the merchants and stuff. Okay, so, okay, so

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they know Spanish just in pace. Maybe they're having a

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harder time because they speak way less Spanish, but no,

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they're You're right, because Luna is chatting with everyone. Yeah, okay,

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so she's just been sixteen and very bratty. I don't

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know happened. It happens, Yeah, it really does. So we

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learned that they're there because of you know, her work.

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You said, doesn't want to be there. Luna is having

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a great time learning, absorbing, like a little curious child

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that she I thought she was younger from the description.

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I guess that's part of her character, though she acts

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like a lot more naive than yeah, than her age.

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I guess. Yeah, very year olds are young children, but

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she gives off like eight year old vibes. I thought

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she was eighty if I if I hadn't if they

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hadn't said her age then and there, and I just

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went out the description of her and what she does

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throughout the book. I would have until she goes to

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middle school and you're like, what, yes, yeah, but then

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at that point we'll get into it. Yeah. So we

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learned their father isn't involved in their life, and that

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Alma Carmen's mother, their grandmother, usually watches them. But she's

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getting old. She's seventy now, and so she she still works,

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so she still up and go to Mexico either that too,

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and and it'd be hard for her to leave the

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daughters all summer with her mom alone, right right, Although

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to me it sounds doable because they're older, they're not.

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I think it was doable too. I think they could

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have stayed home because but I think part of Carmen, Yeah,

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part of Carmen really wanted them to want experience. Yeah. Yeah,

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So it was a lot of things mixed together. She

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wanted her mom to rest, she wanted to show them

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her the culture. Yeah, the motherland as they say, what

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is it in Spanish? Lad Patria? Yeah, and Luna Andell

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hated it. Yeah, she really did too. Is Sail is

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an older one, Luna, it's a younger one. Yes, I know,

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but I'm going to keep doing it. I know it.

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And Carmen is there because she's restoring the old abbey.

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Immediately when I saw Abby, I'm like, all right, well

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this is the abby. This is the abbey from the prologue.

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Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know we the

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friar that beat that boy to death is in the

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abbey walking to his room where he gets killed and

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you know, gets Sally's there, that's where she runs away from. Yeah. Yeah,

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So immediately when I saw Abby and Abby, I'm like,

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this is the same abbey. It's like a building, church building. Yeah.

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And Carmen, even as they're walking through this little market,

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Carmen is questioning bringing them because of a sales attitude,

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but also the dangers of Mexico. It's not a safe

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place for women, yeah, especially with you know, the rise

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of infemicides that have been happening over the years. That

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they touch on that as well throughout the book. And

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so while they're in this market, Carmen is in her

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head just thinking all these things. They run into some pignatas,

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like someone's selling Pinatas, and then is a Lunary said,

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who's like, do you even have a license to Sally's.

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I'm like, you're at the fucking shut up it's he said, obviously.

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They said, yeah, like who cares? It's not like do

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they not have burgas in New York too? You've never

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been to like, I know, you've seen the bootleg pinatas

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and the bootleg CDIs and the bootleg movies. Like, stop,

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it's never like us in New York? Do they Happeniata's?

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Actually I don't know yas. I'm just saying that. Someone

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tell us, Yeah, I've never been to a plea me neither.

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I have always seen them in shows, and well, this

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looks cooler than the little corner stores we have. It's

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like a deli and like a corner store together. Yeah yeah,

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like a liquor store. Yeah. So yeah, I was like,

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you said stop it. Yeah. And while they're at the

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at the piata stand, Carmen reminds the girls they have

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a birthday party to go to. He said, it is

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like I didn't want to go, and Lunas excited, and

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Carmen needs and wants to go because she needs to

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socialize and try and get along with her employees. Yeah,

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they don't like her, no one, because they don't see

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her as Mexican. And I forgot it was Carmen born

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in Mexico and then taken to the US. Yeah, yeah,

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so she is Mexican. But after you spend so much

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time out of there, you know it's not the same,

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not anymore. Yeah, especially when you're taken as a child.

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They don't consider new Mexican in Mexico anymore American. A

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lot a lot going on in this book, A lot

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that makes you think, because you know, here you get

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a mix of like the different types of Mexicans. Like

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you get Carmen who was taken as a child and

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raised in the US, but like she is actually Mexican.

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Her mom left Mexico but is Mexican. She's not on

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this trip with them. The girls are Mexican American, but

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really more American than anything. And they're in Mexico for

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the first time, and it almost seems like she didn't

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really teach them anything about Mexico or the trip, so

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like they wouldn't have been excited if they had never

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been exposed to the culture beforehand. So then so now

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you got these kids. Yeah, so yeah, just a lot,

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a lot going on here, and so yeah, they see

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Carmen as an outside and then on top of that,

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she's a woman, and so they respect her even less

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as the person running this project at the abbey. No

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boss girls over here over there. Later they get to

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the party. I'm like, again, I'm condensing a little bit,

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so I'm just giving some parts. So now they're at

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the party at the foreman's house. Juaquin who especially doesn't

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respect Carmen, he hates her. Yeah, when he when she

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gets there, he's like, oh, I didn't think you'd come.

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And she's like, well, you invited me. Oh, but I

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didn't think you would come. I can already imagine like

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Nony who maybe does just see like the politeness behind this. Yeah,

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So Luna Nicelle go off with the rest of the

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kids while Carmen sits with father Veron, who is her

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contact at the church. So not the boss, but he

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is the boss, the point person. Yeah, be a point person,

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and he introduces her to quietly. Immediately, I was like, love, love,

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He's my favorite until you see Kim along until Yorsey

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then I mean Yorty, and I'm like, uh, I love Yorty.

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I feel like in this situation, I would always be

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asking myself what w w oh my gosh, yeah yeah,

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what would do? Yeah? Okay, Sony back to Quney Sole

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is an indigenous man who also works in the abbey

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restoring carvings on rocks. While they're talking, Luna wanders off

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and she wrote into another girl and the girl's name.

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Upon first read, I missed this really yeah, and I

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read it it Because I read this, I sort of

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read it twice because I was switching back and forth

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between the audiobook and the book. I get forgetting where

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I was. I listened to the audio book after I

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finished it. Okay, okay, the audiobook is also it was

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a great experience I had. Agree. Yeah, I feel like

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reading it both ways. I feel like it's the best

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way to go to me. Yeah, I did like the

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audiobook because then you get to hear the not what words,

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the pronunciation especially that's especially and also just a person

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reading it. This such an amazing job, especially with the

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parts of later on where we transitable words. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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yeah yeah. So yeah. Both ways were great to listen to.

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But also I think if you don't know what you're

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looking at you might not know how to read these names.

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I did, Yeah, we do, and I think a lot

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of our listeners will. But I was listening to another podcast,

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Why am I listening to this? And they're like, I

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couldn't even conceptualize how to read the names, and I'm like, really,

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I mean you could have looked it up too, But

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also like like, Q it's to me, I think because

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we're reading it in Spanish though, but even in English,

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I feel like for me that would have been like, actually, no,

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it's because you're right. They would have been like quarterly, quarterly.

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What they say I forgot, you'll see, I don't know

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what they say. Yeah, they keep saying it wrong. Yeah,

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so us. I think in anyone who has heard things

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in Spanish, you see these names. But I think the

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auto I was gonna say, I will say when in

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the Naula, when she's doing her like chant or curse

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whatever it is a song also that they sing. I

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didn't know how to pronounce an all and am song. Guy.

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I listened to the audiobook. Yeah, and it's also and

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you're listening to it and they're saying it, and I

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almost felt enchanted. I was like yeah, it was completing.

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Take me, yeah, take me, yeah, it was. It was

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like I recommend this an audiobook for sure. Oh yeah,

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oh yeah, so sorry. I don't know how this started

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so either. Oh the name Kit Sally, yes, so yeah.

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When I first listened, I didn't realize it was the

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same girl that they said Kat Sally is the trouble

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maker and she runs off the sister the brother in

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the prologue. I didn't. I didn't make the connection the

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first time. I did the same thing, but with the Abby,

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I didn't put twenty together that it was the same Abby.

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But with Kit Sally, I'm like, oh, this is get Sally. Yeah,

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okat Sali girls back. Yeah. So Luna runs runs into

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another girl at the party who introduces herself as KT Sally,

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and Kit Sally offers Luna to show her around. They're

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gonna play hide and seek the best hiding spots in

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the house. Yes, yea, and Luna is very happy. She's like, yeah,

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I would love that. So Luna follows the little girl

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to the best hiding spot, an old shed and this

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part's fucking creepy. Thirty seven. Yes, Luna is following her,

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and Kasani tells her it's just some old shed. Come on,

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there's a really good hiding place under some of the

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old shelves in here. Luna stepped forward and felt the

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change on temperature. The shed seemed to be an emanating, cool,

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damp air that sent a shiver across Luna's skin as

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she edged forward to the small opening of the shed doors.

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When Luna placed a hand on the side of the

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door and slipped in, an unpleasant chill came over her body.

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It felt as if she slid through some unseen membrane

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at the opening that spread within the shed. Her eyes

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did not ad just within the limitless dark, she heard

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Katsani's voice utter the words We've been waiting for you

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to arrite for so long. That was so scary. Oh

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when I read that, I was like, it's like my

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heart dropped. What do you mean? We so yeah, horrifying,

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very very and just the again, the imagery, the words

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like the membrane of the shed, like, what do you

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mean memorane? What do you mean? Yeah? Beautiful, beautifully written truly,

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And then Luna runs out away after all this happens,

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she runs back out, but then she forgets immediately. Yeah,

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but it's part of the haunting. It's like it because

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she's like the dumb kid, my child. He would have forgotten.

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I would have forgotten. Probably me too, because I am

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like my child and he is like me. That makes sense. Yeah,

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I literally would have forgotten. But her, it's the part

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of the hunting that she doesn't because she her first

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intentions to go tell her mom what happened. Yeah, then

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she forgets. Yeah, so she's running and then she runs

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into her mom, who tells her, Hey, I've been looking

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for you. It's time to break the pignata. And the

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kids are doing that. They're breaking a little pata. And

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it's fun because you can see the words we all

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seeing as children, so fun, so fun as we say it,

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that pan as we said it was zero motion, yeah,

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and they we're like, so fun, so fucking dumb. The

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adults are having some deep as conversations about the pat

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I'm just gonna read that quote really quick as well,

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because yes, oh I loved it. And then father terons

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like I knew you to would get along. I knew

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you would have some deep ass convos. So Quatly and Carmen,

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who are having this conversation. Actually, I think it's no, no,

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it is no. No, that bitch is dumb. Yeah, my

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bad doesn't like her. He would never have this conversation

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with her. Yeah, he would never talk to her so quietly.

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Is the one who says this. I think. I think

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what we like them about kids hitting the pinata is

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watching them transform into little monsters. How they enjoy breaking

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something into pieces. They're in a fit of laughter but

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also brimming with violence. The pignata is a cathartic thing

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for kids, It really is. I kind of do remember

460
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,440
that feeling from being a kid. Yeah, and like you're

461
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,200
just hitting the sting again and again it breaks and

462
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,200
you're laughing, but you're beating something up. Yeah, good times.

463
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,680
And even now it's still fun hitting pinata as we

464
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:30,079
for our birthday. And then, actually, Carmen's what she says

465
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,240
back is also a little deep, but it also pretentious.

466
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,839
According to her, I thought it was fine, but she says,

467
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,480
now that you mention it, it's true. Precisely. What makes

468
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,880
this tradition a little disturbing is that it's staging the

469
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,839
loss of innocence. And then I thought about it and

470
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,440
I was like, no, that is pretentious. How was this

471
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,000
staging the loss of innocence. You're hitting up Pyatta. I

472
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,359
like what Quietly said better me too. Ten out of

473
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,240
ten for him, five out of ten for her. Yeah,

474
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,400
I would agree. Oh sorry, one more thing quite because

475
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,519
then Quietly replies, and his reply is also better. But

476
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,519
I'm starting to think I just like what these much better.

477
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,000
He says. It's a strange thing, even perfers to make

478
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,640
children break something pretty to eat its entrails. Yeah, I mean,

479
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,079
I do not want to hear about entrails ever again

480
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,039
after this book. No. I enjoyed it, but I don't

481
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,720
want to read about them anyway. I do not. I

482
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:21,839
do not want to think about enjoying the Yeah, like please, no, Yeah,

483
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,839
I'm gonna next time. We're feeling a pianta, I'm like,

484
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,319
have you finished feeling its entrails? Oh my god? Yes, yeah,

485
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,759
try to remember that. Yeah. We leave the party in

486
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:35,160
chapter four and meet yort Sya finally my fav queen.

487
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,839
She's walking in the market behind the Sanchez family, but

488
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,240
she doesn't know it at the time, but she sees

489
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,279
Luda and she consents there's something different about her. Something's

490
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:50,119
off here, Yeah, something that puts her in profound danger

491
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,680
and it's like a spiritual type of danger. And we

492
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,720
also learned your sea is indigenous. She she speaks not

493
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:58,960
what she's one of the She comes from one of

494
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,400
the oldest families in the area as well as Quatly,

495
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:04,359
and she says, you know, they go way back. She

496
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,960
has the ability to see the inside of other people,

497
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,119
so like what they're made of, who you are, like

498
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,039
their aura sort of their aura, yeah, which is also

499
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,839
like it's a gift, but it's also a curse. Yeah,

500
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,559
And she says, like, how can I even fall in

501
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,480
love with Like she knows everything about them, Like part

502
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,519
of the beauty of love is getting to know the person.

503
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,279
She already knows everything as soon as she sees you.

504
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,599
So yeah, a gift done a curse. And she's like,

505
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,039
you know, we're following her along the market. She's taking

506
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,480
all these things to herself. She gets dizzy and almost faints,

507
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:35,319
which causes Luna to turn around and see her. But

508
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,720
then Yorty kind of hides in the crowd and hangs

509
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,079
back and keeps following them, and that's when she sees

510
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,920
them say hi to quietly, and so she's like, oh,

511
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,119
they know quietly, this is my chance. So she goes

512
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,960
to Quatly and tells them like she wants him to

513
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,920
introduce her to the Carmen and quietly is like why

514
00:27:53,359 --> 00:28:00,880
immediately yeah, whye. Georgy tells him it's she's in danger.

515
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:06,839
Her heart is exposed, and he's like, how how do

516
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:17,319
you mean house sway explica now, so your seat tells

517
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,440
him like, well, do you know about the And we

518
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,839
have talked about them a little bit on as book

519
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,440
tells Suso also has a great episode on them. But

520
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:30,839
they're basically the these goddesses that come down from the

521
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,759
descend from the sky at the end of the world,

522
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,960
at the end of the fifth world, and this is

523
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480
the fifth world right now that we're in. They're also

524
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,720
they come from women who die at birth become c

525
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,799
miss and they're like these warriors, but also they're gonna

526
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,720
come at the end of the world and like destroy everything.

527
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:54,039
They come with the apocalypse basically, so they're warriors but

528
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:59,480
also deadly and scary bringers of the apocalypse. Yeah. Yeah,

529
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:04,920
he's like I really know these stories. He's I'm like

530
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:09,640
you I know this already. We were raised basically together

531
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:15,200
kind of yeah, and so quietly is hesitant because he

532
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,920
believes your see. He doesn't doubt your see. But he's like,

533
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,799
he's like, how do you tell this to Americans? Basically Americans?

534
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,200
You know exactly what he says, Yeah, they're strangers and

535
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,839
Americans like, they don't know, they don't understand the ways

536
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,559
of yah ways, they don't know, they don't believe. And

537
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,599
she starts speaking naw, and I'm gonna attempt to read it,

538
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,519
but I didn't listen. Again, this is she's singing, right,

539
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,759
she's singing it, yeah, And this is she's singing the

540
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,759
same part. I would need to listen to it again

541
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,720
to know how to pronounce it. Yeah, and I did

542
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:50,000
a while ago, but not today. So she's saying yehwa

543
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:57,759
chiki yahwa ipan pampa niets la pampas And that could

544
00:29:57,759 --> 00:29:59,240
have been a little wrong, but it was also like

545
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,200
semi right. Some parts were off, though, but basically that's

546
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,839
what she's saying again and again quietly shakes her out

547
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:07,559
of her trance, and he's like, what song was that?

548
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,720
It sounds a little familiar, and she's like, I was singing.

549
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:17,039
She's like, what song? But still he was still hesitating

550
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,079
in introducing them. So Georgsey doesn't wait for him to

551
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,079
make introductions. She goes down to the abbey and boy

552
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,640
does it go wrong. She's like, I'm from City Hall.

553
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:29,519
And then Carmen's like, what do you want? She's like,

554
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,279
fuck city Hall. Fuck, I've dealt with you fuckers for

555
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,000
too long. I can't give any more money. Fuck off. Yeah,

556
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,440
and then when Georgsey starts trying to explain, like, oh,

557
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:40,279
your daughter might be in danger, She's like, are you

558
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:44,319
threatening me? Yeah? Honestly, coming really annoyed me here, and

559
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,200
I understand why she reacted the way that she did.

560
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,440
Give you and see a chance man like meets no harm. Yeah, Like,

561
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,599
I get it from Karmen's point of view because she

562
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:58,920
has seen the hostelites. She doesn't believe these things. So yeah,

563
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,359
but it's like me, if at this moment, even in

564
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,039
that situation, Yorty came to me and said, your child

565
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,680
believe How what do I need to do? Help me?

566
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:10,119
It's it's like when we go to Mexico and whatever

567
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,000
THEIA says you need to do this, when we're leaving

568
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,319
the cemetery, I'm like doing it. I'm doing it. I'm

569
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,640
gonna do it. I don't care. And yeah, I did it.

570
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,519
And if they tell me you need to walk in

571
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,920
circles before you enter this building, I'm doing it. I

572
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,440
don't care me too. It's like she has zero respect

573
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,880
for the beliefs of your sea. But I understand she's afraid,

574
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,319
and people react this way when they're afraid, you know.

575
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,119
So yeah, I get At the same time, I get it,

576
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,799
but I'm also annoyed. Yeah, because she's immediately under defensive.

577
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:40,839
She's like she doesn't want to listen to any she's

578
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720
already stressed out too, so like I get it, Yeah,

579
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,519
I get it. Tries to say no, it's like, it's

580
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,039
not like that, it's spiritual, and she's like, this is nonsense. Also,

581
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,519
your tea is giving off weird vibes because while she's

582
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,119
in the office of Carmen, she sees like spirits or

583
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,000
something like everywhere, and so she's looking around, lancing around,

584
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,640
so she kind of looks a little bit crazy. Carmon

585
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,079
in us like sketchy ass behavior, which makes sense, it does. Yeah,

586
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:11,799
but it's your sea, you seeless yeah yeah, and we

587
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240
love her, but Karmen doesn't know it yet. Yeah. Also,

588
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,480
Yorty doesn't know why she's seen so many spirits because

589
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,480
she sees them sometimes, but I think Carmen's office is

590
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,480
the first place she sees a ton of them. At

591
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,559
the same time, she's like, what the hell is happening.

592
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:29,920
She's also like whoa, yeah, because she's not used to

593
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,480
seeing this many. She even says when we first meet her, like,

594
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,519
I see them sometimes sometimes spirits present themselves to me,

595
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:37,599
but not all the time. So yeah, this is We're

596
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,720
on both their ends honestly. Yea, but still believe your

597
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,480
syst believe your always believe your tea, always always believe

598
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,839
your sea, and yeah, karma goes on Mama bear. Yersey

599
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,799
has no choice but to run out of there, and

600
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,119
she runs. She gets to the plaza and she's like, damn,

601
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,640
I messed that up. As she drinks not coca. She's

602
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480
got to calm the nerves, so yes, yeah, nothing better

603
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:04,319
than a cook for that. Yeah. Carmen calls her daughters

604
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,519
just to check on them after Yorty leaves, and they're okay,

605
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,640
and then she's like, I gotta go. That was so weird.

606
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,000
I've had enough of today, Like I'm done, and she

607
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,119
gathers her things and walks out of the office. When

608
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,319
she runs into Quietly. Yorty did say, I know quietly

609
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,480
before she before she told Karmen all of this, so

610
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,319
now she's suspicious of quietly out zone. So now she

611
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,200
runs into Quietly and she's like, who the hell did

612
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,079
you send to me? He's like what and he's like, oh, no,

613
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,839
you mean yalty, Oh Yorty. She means no harm. Yeah,

614
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,720
and that's what he told her. She means no harm.

615
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,960
She's just spiritual. She believes that the old nahuaweis. Carmen's like, okay,

616
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,359
but she had no right to try and scare me

617
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000
with all these legends, like these old legends, and he's like, no,

618
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,319
she didn't mean it that way. After sent back and

619
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,480
forth like this, Karmen agrees to hear Yorty out, so

620
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,319
her and Quaetly are going to go over to their

621
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,400
house later to talk about this what Yorty wanted to

622
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,400
say that Carmen didn't want to hear. So same time,

623
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,839
you see he's walking around the plaza and then like

624
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,440
the skies go dark and it's filled with butterflies, very scary.

625
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,360
She closes her eyes because she's getting like all these

626
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,960
like sensations, you know, dizziness at the same time. So

627
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360
she closes her eyes and she starts repeating those same

628
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,320
words that she had been saying to quietly, the same

629
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,039
not what it's like a song, it's a song. Yeah,

630
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,079
So she starts like singing these words again, and she

631
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,320
doesn't know what she's saying, but she thinks it's the

632
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,039
same phrase. When she opens her eyes, there's a man

633
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,480
holding his face and he's bleeding. I didn't quite under

634
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,320
what happened to him. Was it the butterflies? Yeah, the

635
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719
butterflies like a tax his face kind of, And then

636
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,159
it's like, uh, he thinks he gouged his eyes out,

637
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,119
but they're just cut, like I think. She sees it

638
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,559
initially like worse than it is, but then like yeah,

639
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,599
she comes back to reality. Then she realizes like, yeah,

640
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,960
he's bleeding, but he's probably not, as he's not as

641
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840
bad as she thought first. Right, Okay, that makes so

642
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,639
much more sense. So she walks him over to the hospital.

643
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,679
And then she's walking back home after that, confused, scared,

644
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,639
and she's like I don't know what's going on, but

645
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:08,239
whatever this is, it's happening way too fast. Then Karmen

646
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,079
gets home, the door's open, both girls are like, we

647
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:12,639
didn't leave it open, and we swear. She's like, why

648
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,679
is that door open? She keeps asking them. They're like, damn, chill,

649
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,599
We're like, what's going not a big deal, calm down,

650
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,039
she'll out yeah. So she she's nervous, but she drops it.

651
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,360
Then they're eating dinner and she asks them again, like,

652
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,519
I know you said the door was closed, but like,

653
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,920
you can tell me anything. You could tell me, but

654
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,119
did you guys see anything weird? And he said is

655
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:35,159
like no, and then Luna's like, oh, that's that old lady.

656
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,199
Do you mean that old lady that just walks around

657
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,039
and waves around weird waves. She's like, why didn't you

658
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,800
tell me about her before? I thought it was fine? Yeah?

659
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,440
I thought she was just saying hi. She just walks

660
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,159
by every single day, making the weird same hand motions

661
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,639
that it's not exactly high, but I thought it was high.

662
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,360
It was dying during that part, and Carmen's like, does

663
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,840
she say anything? Does she do anything? And Luna's like, no,

664
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,400
she just waves funny and walks by. He said, It's like, wow, mom,

665
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,880
you're really gonna worry about the old lady And they

666
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,440
should have and they all should have worried. Carmen drops

667
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,880
it again. She's like, fine, fine, whatever, it's not a

668
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,079
big deal. She's washing dishes after dinner and she's like

669
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,320
again contemplating, overthinking why am I here? That I make

670
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,159
a mistake? My daughters say to here, like just overthinking life.

671
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,440
Every church she's made up to that day broke me

672
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,679
out of my and then me know she's doing this

673
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,679
when she notices a bracelet. It's woven and old and

674
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,519
it has six green stones. Carmen's like, what is this

675
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,559
doing here? She asks the girls if they know what

676
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,920
it came from, and then fucking Luna is like, it

677
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,039
looks like that old ladies, but they don't know how

678
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,920
it got there. So again Carmen drops it. But then

679
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,719
in bed she's like, okay, this is a sign I

680
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,719
see this weird bracelet. Luna mentions the old lady Yorte

681
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,880
came to me with her weird shit. Yeah again, more

682
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,800
self doubt, more wondering why am I here? Questioning every

683
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,519
life choice. Off to that, ruminating ruminating a lot. Yeah.

684
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,440
Then she's at work. It gets worse. They get the

685
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,760
wrong supplies. It turns out that fucking quacking the foreman

686
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,960
order them on purpose. Yeah, he's trying to pocket to

687
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:18,119
money for himself and cut corners and pocket the money

688
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,079
that he saves from cutting corners. And she's like, bitch,

689
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,440
you better stop. Yeah, you better get the supplies that

690
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:29,079
I wanted. Everyone loses more respect for her in this

691
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:30,840
moment because they're like, this is just how we do

692
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,760
things here. Like, yeah, she's not wrong here, but also

693
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,880
I don't know when in Rome. Yeah, I feel like

694
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,320
she's holding on, like she's trying to hold onto too

695
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,199
much power. And sometimes you have to have a little

696
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:48,239
bit of cultural humility. And I understand not wanting to,

697
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,880
you know, because feminism, but sometimes you gotta. You gotta

698
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,199
adapt to where you're at. Yeah. Even father Vedon is like,

699
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:58,760
that's just how they do things down here. Yeah. She's like,

700
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,880
if you want to get that involved, okay, that's on you.

701
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,599
But he's like, I dadavit against it and yeah, and

702
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,800
she doubles down. Yeah, And I get both sides. I

703
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,599
get She's like, yeah you saw me, he got that

704
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:14,480
said yeah, not just but dad yeah too. Yeah, And

705
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:19,920
they're like my head, you see them like I said, yeah, no,

706
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,960
no way, So yeah, I see both science. I would

707
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,800
have Honestly, I don't think this is something I would

708
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,039
have to put down and be like, I'm just gonna

709
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:28,719
do my job and go home, that's it. Yeah. Also,

710
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,800
I just don't care enough. I'll just say. But she's

711
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,239
like a go getter. She is ambitious response, you know,

712
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,920
I feel like me, like four years ago, that would

713
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,840
have been me. Now just just I'm just just there. Yeah,

714
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,239
And like me, I'm like, all right, if that's what

715
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,679
you want to do. But when something goes wrong, it's

716
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,280
gonna go wrong. And like maybe they're not trying to

717
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,880
blame me like I told yeah with them. Yeah that's me.

718
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:51,400
But I get it because at the same time, this

719
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,039
is such an important project. It's restoring this old building,

720
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,599
but also it's restoring it not for it's gonna turn

721
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:01,800
into like a what boutique hotel something like that. Yeah,

722
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,079
So I don't know. Yeah, I have no respect for

723
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:06,920
the church anyway, so i'd be like, whatever you doing

724
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,000
you want, Yeah, exactly true. That's a fucking place for

725
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:15,039
all I care. Let it burn, burn it. Yeah. Well,

726
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,800
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So so even yeah, like I said, even father Vidon

758
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,239
tells her like, maybe chill a little bit. She's like,

759
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,840
you don't tell me and what to do? She would

760
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,599
gets into it with him and I'm like, oh my god,

761
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,400
he's like whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just trying to keep

762
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,639
the peace here. So you know, it's already it's already

763
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:35,639
a bad day. Worsh Then she leaves home and she's

764
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:41,039
met with a sense attitude. Dude, Yeah, which is best.

765
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:46,280
It's annoying. It happens, So it happens. It happens. Yeah,

766
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,760
she didn't want to come, so, you know, she wanted

767
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,760
to be with her white friends in New York. And

768
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,679
every time, like Excel is being mean to her, she's like,

769
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,519
you know, I can't follow her for that because I

770
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,400
was the worst daughter. So at least she's not out

771
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,239
there running the streets. She's just being mean to me. Yeah,

772
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,559
and she does literally say that every single time. I'm like,

773
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,039
by the fourth time, I'm like, I don't think we

774
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,039
need to hear this again. We kind of get it. Yeah, yeah,

775
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,000
that little that's who Gorman is. She overthinks everything that's true,

776
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,880
that that, and then but at the same time, not enough.

777
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:25,000
She overthinks things about herself. Yeah, the wrong things really,

778
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:30,039
So she brushes it off because Georgy and Quietly are

779
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,639
coming over. And first they come over, they teach Luna

780
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,840
who wants to know and he said doesn't care. But

781
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,599
she does manage to have conversation with them, like she

782
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:40,119
that's true. She does. Yeah, yeah, she gets a little

783
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,199
bit more. She's a little more engaged than normal. They

784
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,039
tell her about the history and their culture and it's fascinating,

785
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,119
it's a fun read. And so then they're like, all right,

786
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:49,719
we got to get to business. So they dismissed. The

787
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,480
girls are like, you gotta go, we gotta talk about

788
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,880
all stuff. Georgy is trying to explain things to Carmen,

789
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,519
the spiritual things. Carmen is dismissive, like, oh, what if

790
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:59,280
it's your imagination? But also this bracelet showed up and

791
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,760
like Luna's mention an old lady, but she still doesn't

792
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,280
believe Yzy like plea see annoying? Like so's she wanted

793
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,320
to annoy them here and then not believe anything they

794
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,159
have to say, what was the point of this? Yeah,

795
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,239
and it's like where do you think this bracelet came from?

796
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,599
The door was open when you got here. This old

797
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:18,599
lady's passing by the same time, same day, making weird movements.

798
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:22,039
Please immediately I would have been like if I didn't

799
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,599
listen to Yortsey when she came to my office the

800
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:29,159
first time after Gardman is still dismissive to what you're suggesting,

801
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,280
when she should not be because of everything else that

802
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,039
has happened. Yeah, too many weird things going on, but no,

803
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:39,440
she isn't listening. Yorty tells her like, what if this

804
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,679
old lady only appears to be an old lady and

805
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:43,679
it actually is not an old lady? Which I would

806
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,079
have been like tell me more, please, and Carmen was like,

807
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,840
I'm more concerned with that, leaving, Like, shut the fuck up,

808
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,360
Carmen and listen to Yortsey for real, and then whatever,

809
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,280
Yorty and Quad leave. It didn't go as well as

810
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,400
Yortsey wanted. The next week, at work, while Carmen is

811
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,119
in her office, she gets a call from me Sel,

812
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,360
who tells her they got bored and then walking over

813
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,199
and they're almost there. This freaks carmenal because she's like,

814
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,559
dad one them walking around Mexico, it's so dangerous. I

815
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,320
don't think they're that far from her work, though, I

816
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,840
think it's I think they're pretty close. But you know

817
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,960
how she is or she's ruminating on the wrong things. Yeah,

818
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:21,119
she should be worried about that old lady. So she

819
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,719
freaks out. She runs out and is calling and calling

820
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,679
and calling again. They're not answering. She thinks she is

821
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,960
he sail walking in the street, and Luna isn't with her,

822
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,599
so she's calling and calling and running after what she thinks,

823
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:36,440
as he said, when she gets closer, it's nai Cel.

824
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,960
It's the old lady, so creepy. As soon as that happened,

825
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,440
I would have speed dial your tea, you know, I

826
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,960
would have ran to the plaza to find your sea bell,

827
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,400
would have hunted down Qualeine. I'd be like, call, you'll

828
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,599
see right now, call her. I would have been running

829
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:53,079
up and down the streets, yelling quietly and you'll see

830
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,559
again and again. And so one of them answer yeah, yeah,

831
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,320
but no the old lady. Okay, So Carmen's getting closer.

832
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,320
The old lady grow grows louder and louder. She's like

833
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,960
chanting something that Carmen can't understand. Karmen is yelling for

834
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,639
Luna and Issel and she the old Lady's still there,

835
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:11,639
so she's she turns around and yells the old lady,

836
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:13,559
who the hell are you? What do you want? The

837
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,239
old lady tells her she's looking for her daughter. Yeah,

838
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,519
and Karmen is like, who is your daughter? And then

839
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,639
the old lady moves closer and she's chanting something that

840
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,119
Carmen can't understand. She gets dizzy and light headed. The

841
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,400
whole time this old Lady's engine closer and closer. It

842
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,519
looks like something is growing out of her chest, out

843
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,159
of her shawl. It looks like something's protruding out and

844
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:38,079
it's getting bigger. And as that's happening, Carmen is closing

845
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:41,159
her eyes, like covering them with her hand. She's trying

846
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,679
to keep her balance. Suddenly it feels like she can't

847
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,920
feel the sun anymore, the warmth of the sun, so

848
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,079
the temperature drops, and she's like swiping on her phone,

849
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,719
trying to answer because now it seems like one of

850
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,639
them is calling her back. He said, I suppose she's

851
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:55,840
the one with the phone because she's older. So she's

852
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,440
she answers the phone and it's he sail. Then Carmen,

853
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,320
she's pulled out of whatever's going on and she's back

854
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,800
in reality now, and she's like, where the hell are

855
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,079
you guys, and Exall is like, chillow, we turned around

856
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:13,239
to go get Luna's sketch. Bug calmed down and Carmen

857
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,360
dismisses this as like some hallucination. She's just dressed She's like,

858
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,119
I'm so stressed out. I'm having hallucinations and I'm like,

859
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:23,519
oh my god, how do you write everything off? Like yeah,

860
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,599
she's brushing off the undo. Some people do this. So

861
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,440
that's true, that's true. The Nile is strong, it is. Yeah,

862
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:34,039
what is that thing that went around to Tech for

863
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,960
a while? Then the Nile is the river in Nidrum.

864
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:41,000
Oh it's Wendy Williams. Somebody called her life. Yeah, yeah,

865
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,159
I remember that. The Nile is a river in Egypt.

866
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,239
Your husband is I don't know what she says, Yeah, yeah,

867
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,719
that's Carmen. So she's like whatever. Uh. She just walks

868
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,920
the girls inside her office they were into quietly. Who

869
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,559
gives something to Carmen like a little eagle warrior type thing.

870
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,800
I don't know, Stone, I don't remember. Anyway, the girl

871
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,440
stay in the office Quietly is there to show her

872
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,719
the work she's been he's been doing at the abbey.

873
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,679
The foreman and Juaquin is supposed to be there, but

874
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,960
he's not there because he doesn't give a fuck about

875
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,239
like he just does whatever he wants, like this man

876
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,159
for real? Yeah, seriously, So the girl stay in the office,

877
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,639
Quetlye and Carmen are walking around and that's when they

878
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:23,440
hear in a big crash and so a structure had

879
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,360
come down and it revealed another room in the abbey

880
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,119
that's not in the blueprints. Carmen is like, oh my god,

881
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,199
we got to call like the Deparminent of Anthropology and

882
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,960
History at the university, We call UNESCO and all that. Yeah, everything,

883
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,119
and Father is like, that's gonna takes necessary. Do we

884
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,119
really need to do that? Everything inside this room is

885
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:47,880
the church is anyway, like it's probably about garbage, but

886
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,719
it's old sacred things like please, yeah, he doesn't want

887
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,960
to do that. It could take it could halt the

888
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:59,320
construction for months months. And as they're discussing what to do,

889
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,679
Luna is digging around and there you can hear like

890
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,280
the clinking sounds of her beinach mosa and she finds

891
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,119
the pieces of a broken pot. She asks what it is.

892
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,599
Quati tells her that it is at a pignata. And

893
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,719
I'm gonna read this part from page one eleven. It's

894
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,760
shortly replied, quietly, what is that a pinnata for children

895
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,360
to break? Not exactly, it's a sacrifice, an offer klama

896
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,639
Nalitzi is evaluable. I've never seen one like this. It's rare,

897
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,280
but I don't know if it's valuable. Then Father ViOn,

898
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:35,079
this is the property of the church. I'll have to

899
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:38,199
speak to my superiors. And then quietly, you think everything

900
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,719
belongs to you. But you know, as we know, because

901
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,679
we've read the prologue. Yep, could this be the same one?

902
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,760
I think so, yeah, because this is the same Abby.

903
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,000
And yes, Talie is that same girl, and so this

904
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,440
has to be the same Piata. And I don't think

905
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,920
anyone or no do they do they let Luna take it? No,

906
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:09,519
she sneaks in and takes it. They can't do it, no, okay,

907
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:11,800
So he planning to steal it up again and just

908
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,360
leave everything how it is, and even quietly says like

909
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,119
that's better off. They're better off doing that, because he's like,

910
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,440
somethings are better off far away from people to reach,

911
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:24,119
because I think he knows what this could mean in

912
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:28,039
the wrong hands. And they agree to seal it off.

913
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,440
But before they seal it off, Luna sneaks in there

914
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,360
and takes it. Yeah, yes, okay, that's what's happening, all right.

915
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,639
Once they're back home having dinner, the girls are like,

916
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:41,079
are we gonna get sent back home? And at first

917
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,239
Karmen's like, no, you know, don't worry. We don't know

918
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,280
what's happening yet. But that's exactly what happens. She's fired. Yeah,

919
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:49,039
she's blamed for this, and I feel like Quaquin has

920
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,199
something to do with this because he wasn't there. Yeah, yeah,

921
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,719
like he Savostaur is something. But also I don't think

922
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,280
anyone knew about the room either. No, but we know

923
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,400
from the prologue that's something horrible happened in that And

924
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,800
I feel like, not secretly, but like on a deeper level,

925
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,000
quietly knows something horrible happened in that room. Yeah. And

926
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:08,880
maybe because of all the things yor Sey has been

927
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,960
telling them too, I think that's why he wanted to

928
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:14,679
just be so love instead. Yeah, And honestly, after this,

929
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,920
it's like things weird, things keep happening in the escalating manner. Yes, yeah,

930
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:29,360
creempy scary visions, apparitions, yes, hauntings, yes, including to yort See.

931
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,320
She's seeing things too, now, more things, and she's like,

932
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,480
this isn't normal. Something that's happening, and I have to

933
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,519
think that the room being open now is what made

934
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:42,280
it worse, the PGATA being taken the yes, yeah. Yeah.

935
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,119
So they go go back to New York. But the

936
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:49,159
airport that was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So they already kind

937
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,239
of sense Luna being a little like she doesn't want

938
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,480
anyone to see the things she's drying, not being her

939
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:57,760
normal self, her normal cheerful self. Yeah. And it's like

940
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,159
I get that she's eleven, but also the drastic of

941
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:04,960
a change in this little time should be ringing bells. Yeah,

942
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,599
and he said, seems to be the only one concerned. Yeah, well,

943
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:11,440
I feel like Carman notices it. But she's like, well,

944
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:14,119
she didn't want to leave Mexico so soon, and you

945
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,480
know what I mean. So she's like excusing it. Yeah,

946
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,360
she brushes it off, like everything else she's been brushing off.

947
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,159
She makes excuses. But the airport part was crazy. So

948
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,880
they're at the airport and they're trying to get through

949
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,760
security and they open up luna suit case and there's

950
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,159
a bunch of crickets. Yeah, but the ones you eat,

951
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,360
the ones do you eat? Yeah? And you're supposed to

952
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,800
be able to take those that's food, right, Yeah? I

953
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,239
think so, I don't know. I hate taking anything because

954
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,320
they pull you aside, they look into her shit, and

955
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,199
I get so anxious and I got I was so

956
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,639
mad at our mom. Once we brought Hello cheese back

957
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,320
and I was like, I don't want to bring the cheese.

958
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,239
They're gonna like tell us something. I was stressful. I

959
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,679
brought a hit time with me, like one thing happens,

960
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,519
but just thought it stresses me out. Yeah, no, I

961
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:01,159
get you, I get you. Yeah. So they get pulled

962
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,599
apart aside and they throw away her crickets because it's

963
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:05,920
like they don't want food to go through. I think

964
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,159
because it's a carry on though not I think because

965
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:10,920
they're Chappolinas. They're like animals, so they're trying to say

966
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,440
these are animals, and then they're like, okay, yes, technically

967
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,400
they're animals, but they're for food. They're dead, they're gonna

968
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,960
be yeah yeah. And so then Luna starts like eating

969
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,559
them by the handful because she's in a very disgusting manner. Yes, yeah,

970
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,559
like when eat the respectfully when at a time, But

971
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,280
she's mad, and so she's like, yeah, Karma doesn't even

972
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,079
know what to do because normally she doesn't even have

973
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,119
to parent these kids that much because they're just ChIL kids. Yeah,

974
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,519
like they have their little attitude. But you know what,

975
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,760
he says, I didn't want to be there, And at

976
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,280
least she's not as crazy as she was of you know,

977
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,199
the same thing she says again and again. Yeah, and

978
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,960
she she's very Yeah, she doesn't have to do much

979
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,800
with either of them. She works a lot, so it's

980
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,159
like this is and then she's never been in the situation,

981
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,559
especially with Luyash who's acting like a weirdo, and that

982
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:05,360
weirdo behavior just continues. Then they get on the airplane

983
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,880
and she starts like beating the ship out of his

984
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,679
sad like and Karma's like, what the fuck is going

985
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,400
on right now? Like you guys don't act like this,

986
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,079
like what's happening? And he said, it's like it's not me. Yeah.

987
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,599
And then after she's done being the shadout of a sand,

988
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,360
she's standing there staring off into the distance like a weirdo.

989
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,239
That should have been like the first sign like something's

990
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,800
not right. Actually, sorry, this is like the tenth sign.

991
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,239
There's a lot of sign. She's already I seen a

992
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,679
little weird Yeah. At this moment, we as a reader

993
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,400
is like, all right, she's possessed. Yeah, it's getting weird. Yeah,

994
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,280
it's getting worse. And then back in New York, she

995
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,199
just escalates even more. Luna spends it all day with

996
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,840
her door closed. Whence Karmen goes back to work that

997
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,719
they're back in New York and Mo the mom is

998
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,119
there watching them, and she's mean as fuck to the

999
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:58,119
g to her little grandma, to Adma, and I'm was like,

1000
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,400
this is weird. She's like, she doesn't act this. But

1001
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,280
then we know how where Carmen gets her her laid

1002
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,920
back attitude from, because Alma's like, well, she just got

1003
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,880
back from Mexico. She's upset. I'm just going to give

1004
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,679
her space, and yeah, that's like the respectable thing to do.

1005
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,960
Like I know the mom would have like knocked her

1006
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,760
door down and been like, you don't get any space.

1007
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,239
You need to tell me what space in house, meaning

1008
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,119
there's space in Mexican. But I don't think it's a

1009
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,119
wrong approach. I think it makes sense in the position

1010
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:29,840
that they're in. Yeah, but here they would have they

1011
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,559
should have been a little more aggressive because she was

1012
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:33,559
in the middle of a haunting of a possession. But

1013
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,320
they didn't know that. No, they didn't know that we

1014
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,960
have more information than them, but Carmen, No, no, no,

1015
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,920
Carmen should have known because of all the bracelet, the

1016
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,079
door we made, seeing the same old lady, and then

1017
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,559
sees that they're protruding out of that chest of the

1018
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:49,519
old lady. And also they see she doesn't see the

1019
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:52,519
old lady at the airport, but he said sees her, Yeah,

1020
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:55,719
and he said, hadn't seen her as much as Luna. Yeah, yeah,

1021
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,320
but it's the same person. She knows it's the same person.

1022
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,800
She's like, did she follow us from Mexico the funk? Yeah,

1023
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,119
And I would have told my mom, So yeah, there

1024
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,800
should have been she had been a little more obvious

1025
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,639
at this point. But she's like a dad. But that

1026
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,840
there's no story without that, No, So I'm fine with it.

1027
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,760
But also I understand the class understand Carmen being like

1028
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,239
this because when she's not a spiritual person, she's disconnected

1029
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,519
from me culture, so she's even less spiritual. Not that

1030
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,000
all Mexicans are, but like the majority, like I mean,

1031
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,280
last our listeners, we may not go to church, we

1032
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:40,000
all believe, yeah that our fought like exact exactly, and

1033
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,559
Carmen didn't grow up that way her did not fight,

1034
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:46,880
and so she doesn't believe this, or if she did,

1035
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:54,199
she just doesn't know about it. Yeah. Yeah, so I

1036
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,440
understand at the same time why Carmen is so hesitant

1037
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,159
about everything. So at the same time I get it,

1038
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,599
But at the same time, there were so many signs. So, yeah,

1039
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,679
the airport is weird. At home, it gets weirder. Luna

1040
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,280
is weirder. Yeah, are we skipping forward to the stairs

1041
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:14,960
or what? Yes, that's exactly where I was heading. Do

1042
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,159
you want to talk about that party you want to

1043
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:20,800
take over? Well, okay, Luna's been a weirdo. She's been

1044
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,119
a weirdo right since they get back from Mexico. I

1045
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,199
don't know. I don't even think it's been a fucking day.

1046
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:27,559
I think it's been only a day. Yeah, Like, it

1047
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,000
hasn't been long. Yeah, it's either been one day or

1048
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:35,719
a few days. And Alma knocks at her door because

1049
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,920
Luna's been ignoring her all day, which is not typical

1050
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:42,320
of Luna to do, but whatever. You know, she has

1051
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,840
a lot of emotions, so she needs space. At one point,

1052
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,360
Alma hears weird noises, like like something moving up in

1053
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,360
her room. Yeah, like like something's being dragged, like just

1054
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,960
to me, a lot of dumping. Yeah, not normal. And

1055
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,519
so she I think she knocks. I don't remember exactly

1056
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,440
what happens. Point is, she knocks, but either either she

1057
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:05,519
knocks or decides to not knock, get not alone. And

1058
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:08,239
then she's like going back, you know, heading back down

1059
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,119
to the stairs because she's like, okay, whatever, and she

1060
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,880
hears a cricket. She sees a cricket. Yeah, she sees

1061
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,920
a cricket in the stairs, a giant cricket. And honestly,

1062
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,840
I could not as I was reading this book, is

1063
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,360
it a cricket or a locust locus? I'm not sure

1064
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,599
does but they say cricket, don't they big cricket? Oh

1065
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:29,639
you know what Yeah, just a big cricket. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1066
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,039
you're right, you're right. So as I was reading this,

1067
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:34,639
every time I close my eyes, I would see an

1068
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,920
ugly ass cricket, Like I was like, yeah, anyway, she

1069
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,719
sees the cricket, and the what comes out of the

1070
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:45,440
cricket more crickets. I don't know. It's like at meane

1071
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,119
or I can't pronounce that, Oh my god, the meme. Yes,

1072
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:53,079
the something comes out because she's like I saw. Later on,

1073
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,000
when she tells Carmen about it, she's like, I saw

1074
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:59,159
death herself. So isn't it the goddess? It's yeah, it

1075
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,119
is the ct Yeah. So she sees a TC me, man,

1076
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:04,079
doesn't it say something? I'm trying to find the page now.

1077
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,360
But okay, hold on, it's about to happen. Okay, is said,

1078
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:09,719
leaves the house because she's gonna go with her boyfriend.

1079
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:13,559
Her boyfriend that she was texting on Mexico and there's

1080
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:16,440
a good about the thumb Natti here al I was like,

1081
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,639
what is she doing and he said, is like, no clue.

1082
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:20,159
But I heard her last sign too, and so then

1083
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:24,280
she's like leaving the house and then oh she opens

1084
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,599
the door. Yeah, she opens her She's like, what do

1085
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:29,199
you want? You didn't need to knock, so fucking rude, dude.

1086
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:32,239
I will never tell my grandma that. Mm hmm whatever.

1087
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:35,800
She doesn't want to talk about anything. So then Ama

1088
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,519
leaves and she sees the pignana right, and she's like,

1089
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:42,320
what is that? And then she's like, I don't want

1090
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,360
to talk about it. Let's see she steps out of

1091
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,679
the room. Yeah, she steps out of the room. She's

1092
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:49,880
walking down the stairs and she hears a sound. Yeah,

1093
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,960
she sees oh, I said, cricket, it's a grasshopper. Grasshopper.

1094
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,440
That's when she saw a large green grasshopper. And then

1095
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,639
I don't know if it's like coming out of it,

1096
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:01,800
but she's says yeah. There was a skeleton with the

1097
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,800
insect like wings addressed to the nines and golden and

1098
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,679
gemstone jewelry floating over the stairs. Its skirt was made

1099
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:11,760
of seashells musically clinking against each other. Oh, I thought

1100
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,960
it does something about it doesn't say anything. She just

1101
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:16,519
sees it. She's terrified, of course, so that she falls

1102
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:21,039
down the stairs and presumably she screams. But who does nothing?

1103
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Fucking Luna does not the little fucking monster. It's not

1104
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:33,719
her though, it's uh yeah over her. Yeah yeah. And

1105
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,119
then Carmen is like, why did you call you? I

1106
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:40,480
felt so bad? I was like kind of funny. She's like,

1107
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,920
I'm no mad at you are, just you know how

1108
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,599
to call for nine one? What? Why didn't you call? Little?

1109
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:53,199
Was like whatever, I just say a here my row

1110
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:05,440
imagine shining Grandma's bleeding out from her fucking bottle. Dump

1111
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:18,760
after dump after your ship. God. Oh, my god, but

1112
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,679
this is not Luna. She's not being herself. She's not herself,

1113
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,320
and she feels bad about everything at the end. But again,

1114
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,800
it's not her fault. It's not her fault. She was possessed.

1115
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:36,400
Oh my god, that was hilarious. Okay, we need a

1116
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,000
fast forward an hour fast forward. Ship happened, A bunch

1117
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,559
of shit happens on me. In the hospital, Carmen is distraught.

1118
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:47,679
She sees the old lady on the train. At some point,

1119
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:51,599
she gets worse. Luna starts acting up in school. She

1120
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,440
guts picking on her. Right, these guys are picking on her.

1121
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:57,360
They're horrible. I'm like, what kind of old ass high

1122
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,400
schooler is bully? A middle middle middle schooler like tweaking

1123
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:08,400
weird In the same place, she's crying, tears are coming

1124
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,039
out of her last Yeah, I guess it must be

1125
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:14,880
like a joint middle and high school. That's whine. Yeah,

1126
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,400
I think you're right. At one point, she gets into

1127
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:20,239
an argument with her teacher about conversation. I don't want

1128
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:23,320
to hear about it. She's right, No, she was not wrong.

1129
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:27,159
She was spitting backs, ye, straight backs. If I had

1130
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:29,440
folded the page, I would read the part. But basically

1131
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,639
my teacher teaching the wrong history. Luna was like, why

1132
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:35,280
are you teaching this fake ass history? White colonizing bitch,

1133
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,039
that's basically what happens. Yeah, you don't know ship, How

1134
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:40,840
are you gonna tell me this fake as history about

1135
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,360
my people? Fuck you? And then she was like how

1136
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,559
dare you? This is right? Okay, and then she's like,

1137
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:52,079
no colonizer. Basically, at some point she's like censors to

1138
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:55,519
the office, and the teacher like grabs Luna, but she

1139
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,480
like is just grabbing her. She shouldn't have ate a hand.

1140
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:02,800
She grabs her risk but then like she gets engrossed

1141
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,960
into this vision from Luna's possessed, Yeah, from possessed entity,

1142
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:11,199
and this vision engrosses her so much and scares her

1143
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:15,800
so much that she grips Luna really really hard, causes bruises.

1144
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,599
But she doesn't do it on purpose. No, and Luna

1145
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:21,559
possessed Luna knew, yeah, this was gonna happen. Yeah, and

1146
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,679
so then then I think it's still possessed. Luna's like,

1147
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:26,840
you're hurting me, you're hurting me, and then the teacher

1148
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,559
gets in trouble. Carmen again goes all mama bear, but

1149
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:34,000
like again at the wrong. Yeah, her daughter is possessed,

1150
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,119
but she doesn't know she does. Her daughter's a literal

1151
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:40,280
fucking demon. We let her mom all down the stairs,

1152
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,119
oh man. And then later on and the same boys

1153
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:48,920
are picking on Karmen and she's like, basically curses them

1154
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:51,440
of Luna. Sorry, they're picking on Luna, and Luna basically

1155
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:54,440
curses them. She's like, I wish she would just die. Yeah,

1156
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,960
and then they die. The children's voice in the audiobook

1157
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,760
is so fucking funny to me. It is it is.

1158
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,599
I'm like, it's good, die yeah, and then she curses

1159
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,920
all the three the three boys, and they do die,

1160
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,639
and that's it. Feel it's bad. I feel bad. I

1161
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:15,360
don't right because there's like a fight, Like now, there's

1162
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,000
a fight. Now finally stands up for her sisters. She

1163
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:20,239
actually sees what's going on and it's bad. And her

1164
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:25,000
boyfriend steps into they fight. Yeah, Luna gets into it,

1165
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:28,960
gouges at the guy's like faces and stuff like, and

1166
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,960
they're like, you're crazy, you're crazy, but they deserved it. Yeah,

1167
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:34,760
fuck around and find out. Fools they did. They fucked

1168
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,960
their literal definition to fuck around and find out because

1169
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,280
then they especially the haunting. Yes, oh my god. They

1170
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,400
all die horrific deaths. One of them is in a

1171
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,159
car crash. But before they get into these days, before

1172
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:49,119
they die, they see that met Yes, yeah, and it's bad.

1173
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:53,639
The worst one though. The guy's playing some game, some ship.

1174
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:57,039
He's like, I pinched the Nixican girl about it, which

1175
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:01,039
cemented his need to die to me. Yes, same, and

1176
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:03,960
so then he the guy playing with him, is like,

1177
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,400
what's that behind you? He's like what? Then it's static? Yeah,

1178
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,599
already horrifying. Then it turns around and there it is,

1179
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:13,719
and he ends up like getting like choked. What is

1180
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,800
I don't even remember? But they all, three of them,

1181
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,239
I grew some deaths, and I'll say I was there

1182
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,239
for it. I was there for it. Yeah, I was happy.

1183
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:25,119
It was great. Is it after their deaths? When it

1184
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:28,599
jumps to your sea and quietly in Mexico? Yeah, you're

1185
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:31,639
seeing quietly or is like, hey, I need to get

1186
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:34,679
to New York. I need to warn this family because

1187
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:37,280
that stuff is happening to them too. That's why they

1188
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,599
know something is wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, your see. Especially

1189
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,679
she basically loses her mind. She can't tell reality from

1190
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,039
the spirits. It's too much. She's sees like all the

1191
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:51,719
account's ancestor and they're all talking in Spanish and they're

1192
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,559
they're all digous languages like at the same time, so

1193
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:59,440
she can't understand or see anything like. So she makes

1194
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,719
her way to quad Lee's apartment or house for help

1195
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,199
and quietly knows and he himself has seen an operation

1196
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:11,199
at the abbey. Yes, and the operation tells him like, hey,

1197
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:13,199
you need to get out of the way. You're either

1198
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:16,239
with us or we're gonna kill you too, like yeah,

1199
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,159
we're here for revenge. Yes, And so he believes her too,

1200
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:21,920
and he's like, all right, I can't let you go alone.

1201
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,159
He's gonna help her too, and they make their way

1202
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:27,599
into the US, which sorry not to bring them up again.

1203
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,039
I don't know their name, but the other podcast we

1204
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:31,880
listen to that cover this because I like to like

1205
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,920
listen to things that we're going to talk about me too.

1206
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,760
And then I hate what they do with it. But

1207
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,039
they're like, oh my god, how can they possibly leave Mexico.

1208
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:41,559
It's like people do it all the time. Do you

1209
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,800
know people do this right? Like you know, like this

1210
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,440
is a real trip people make. Yes, And it goes

1211
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:50,239
exactly how they did it, like there was nothing unrealistic

1212
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,880
about it. No, not at all. They find a Coyota

1213
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,039
scruis them over, they fight their way out and oh

1214
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:01,840
my god, when quietly Oh died, so sad, and it's

1215
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,840
so she has to leave him there because she has

1216
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,000
to keep going. And she's like, I can't take you

1217
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:09,639
with me. That got me, that got me to, that

1218
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:12,199
got me to and it was rough, it was rough.

1219
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,880
And then I think I can see how after that

1220
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,719
it's a little hard for her to get there. But

1221
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,280
the spirits gude power her ancestors exactly, Her ancestors are

1222
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,440
telling her where to go. Makes sense. I'm not questioning

1223
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:27,960
anything is possible with the guy. When your ancestors are

1224
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,039
helping you out, Yeah, you can do anything. And so

1225
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,960
she gets to because at this point there's in the US,

1226
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,519
but they're like in a border town. Basically, they're barely

1227
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:38,920
across the border. Yeah, somewhere in the South Texas. She

1228
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,519
makes your way to New York. Yeah, she makes her

1229
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:46,480
with her ancestors. Yeah, so to me, believable. And meanwhile

1230
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:52,440
in the Sancha's house, she has hit the fan. Uh, Carmen,

1231
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,880
Carmen saw They're all they're all from ess Luna. Yeah,

1232
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:02,119
her room, grass hoppers everywhere. You can't open the door,

1233
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,920
like they have basically ignored her because they can't. They

1234
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,800
don't know what to do with her. They just let

1235
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,679
her shut herself into her room. Like. Yeah, Carmen finally

1236
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,760
contacted help. She called Father vet On in Mexico and

1237
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,599
he's like, this is possession. I don't know what I

1238
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:19,480
can do, but I'm gonna make my ways and I'm

1239
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,159
gonna help you. We're going to meet on this day

1240
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:23,360
and it's like the holidays now. And also he does

1241
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,800
some research before he goes down there and that was

1242
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,599
super interesting too. That was so cool to read. Yeah,

1243
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:31,360
he goes down to webla or something to like where

1244
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,440
the all the archives are and all these like codexes

1245
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:37,639
and shit, and he looks into like what is a

1246
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:40,760
ritual that can help and all these other things and

1247
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,159
that it was fascinating to read. And this is where

1248
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:47,280
we learn about the apocalypse basically and the Fifth Son

1249
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:53,280
and how they never got to complete I guess that ritual. Yeah,

1250
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,840
and so it's not good for anyone, anyone. Yeah, this

1251
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:57,920
is going to be the end of the world. That's

1252
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,440
gonna stop it. Yeah, and Luna's bringing up On. Yeah,

1253
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,719
so father Vidon is like, look, I'm gonna do what

1254
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,920
I can. And so he is also heading towards New York.

1255
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,280
He gets on a plane, he goes through his journey too,

1256
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:12,519
and then he dies. Yeah. I feel bad for him.

1257
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:14,960
I did, because I feel like, yeah, he was he

1258
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,680
like you could see he was just he was just

1259
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,560
trying to help and he felt bad for what priests

1260
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,119
in the past had done. But you know he wasn't

1261
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:30,239
the way the didn't care. Yeah, it didn't care if

1262
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:36,000
you're a good no, yeah, no, it doesn't matter. And yeah,

1263
01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:39,960
his death was so sad. It was. And then Carmen

1264
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,600
doesn't know when do they learn. She calls the hotel.

1265
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,399
She gets hotels like, hey, father Vidon, is he in

1266
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:47,319
this room? He was supposed to meet me? And then

1267
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,159
the waiter not waiter, the hotel person is like, ooh,

1268
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,680
actually the police are in there right now. He's dead.

1269
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,279
And she's like, oh my god, Oh my god, who's

1270
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,399
gonna help me now? Yeah, but she he did kind

1271
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,960
of tell her a little bit about what they needed

1272
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,760
to do, so try it on their own. Yeah, they're

1273
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,760
gonna they're doing whatever they need to because also, shit

1274
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,199
is going down now. Now, it's getting so much worse.

1275
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:12,079
Now there's like these moths, uh everywhere, Yeah, attacking, like

1276
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:14,560
taking over the sky. He said. And her boyfriend were

1277
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,640
in a car accident because he couldn't even see. Now

1278
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,520
he's in a coma. He's in a key. He's in

1279
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,600
a coma. Now everyone's inna coma. Everyone's faking dying. Yeah, literally,

1280
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,960
that is what happens in the apocalypse. That's the apocalypse

1281
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,479
and shut it down. Yes, And so he said, you know,

1282
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,319
rushes back to her mom. She's like, we're gonna do this,

1283
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:35,279
Richu war ourselves. We need to make a fire, a

1284
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,039
very very big fire to try and stop this. And

1285
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,159
then you know they're trying to do this, and yours

1286
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,680
arrives at some point. Yeah, she gets there, I think

1287
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,640
as soon as they're about to start the fire, and

1288
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,039
she knows what to do. Yeah, because she's amazing, she's

1289
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,720
the best. The ancestors have guided her to exactly where

1290
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,760
she needs to go. And this part too, I think

1291
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,600
to some it seems a little like all right, this

1292
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,319
kind of fell like at the point at this point,

1293
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:00,479
but I thought it was like, it's not I mean

1294
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,560
it's I thought it was powerful, like her speaking to

1295
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:08,159
the Yes, is it Sally or is it Sally's mom?

1296
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,039
Oh okay, she's looking for her daughter for kit Sally? Yeah?

1297
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:14,159
Or is it Sally? I'm not sure because it's the

1298
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,760
old lady. You know what I think the old lady

1299
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,560
goes to because has we skipped over this, but has

1300
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,760
a see a dream where she sees she basically old woman.

1301
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,079
What happens, yeah, the old lady. Oh, it is good

1302
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:30,800
Sally because they catch up. They're chasing her, after her

1303
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,079
to catch up to Ko Sally. They like are killing

1304
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:37,000
her and she curses everyone as they're killing her. This

1305
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,680
part was insane. Oh my god, I kind of want

1306
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,680
to find it because yeah, it was. It was a

1307
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,000
lot the way she curses them. That's why they're in

1308
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:47,600
the predicament there right now because of this curse. But

1309
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,159
have no I should have marked down, like I didn't

1310
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:52,560
mark down that part because I didn't read that part.

1311
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,640
I listened to it. Oh, but I'm like, where does

1312
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,600
it happen before she leaves it? Just before she completely

1313
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,279
loses it. I want to say, I forgot to say.

1314
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:05,479
There's a part where Luna before all this Luna calls sorry,

1315
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:13,279
Carmen hears Luna funny till excuses that. Yeah. Yeah, I

1316
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:16,560
was like, oh my gosh, the way that would never happen.

1317
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,000
I can't find it. I can't find it because I

1318
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:23,760
just got it. This butterfly scene, I don't remember when

1319
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,560
it happens, but it's such a powerful, powerful, terrifying scene.

1320
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,159
But I mean, like basically we see the from the prologue,

1321
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:36,760
is it continues that we see the Friars catch up

1322
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,560
to get Sally. They you know, are going to kill her.

1323
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,520
Oh I'm almost there, because in fifteen you want to

1324
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,119
calls Quatly to tell him about the dream, and he's like,

1325
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:47,960
you're calling me at this time to tell me about

1326
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,880
a dream. So I'm almosh, I was there. Okay, Okay,

1327
01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:55,000
thirteen is them at the house. I think, no, that's

1328
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:58,079
so good. It happens early on then, yeah, I feel

1329
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:00,720
like everything kind of happened so fast. So you know,

1330
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,640
that's why I don't understand. I saw the critiques of

1331
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,319
this book that it's like it's slow and then picks up.

1332
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:09,800
But I'm like, to me, just like from beginning to end,

1333
01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:12,760
I you get like you have to have I feel

1334
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,520
like you have to be like Latina to enjoy reading

1335
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,680
about their time in Mexico. And I don't know, I

1336
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,119
mean I wish you wouldn't have to. Yeah, what does

1337
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,800
it happen? Because she but I mean that's really it.

1338
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,800
But also when is it that your sees everyone and

1339
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,640
she sees quatly. Oh that part was so beautiful. It's

1340
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:34,840
the ending right before she gets there. Literally, everything happens

1341
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,920
so fast, like yeah, from her leaving quietly to get

1342
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,640
into New York, the part yeah vedon dies on page

1343
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,840
tuos MD, and then like there's not a lot of

1344
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,279
book left and Joy still has to get to them.

1345
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:50,640
Like it's insane. They're going to make the fire that's

1346
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,479
on two seventy six. Yeah, I don't know where her

1347
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,880
dream happens, but it's insane. That part is so good. Yeah,

1348
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:59,600
but as they're about to make the giant fire, Oh,

1349
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:04,960
I think I found it. It might be in twenty one. Yes,

1350
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:08,359
it's in chapter twenty one. So she like starts to

1351
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,760
drifting off and then she like wakes up and she

1352
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,960
realizes it's do Laningo. But before development, so she's in

1353
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,880
the forest and she sees an old woman hunch like

1354
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,359
a haggard old woman, hunched over and I think this

1355
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,640
she's like either digging something. This is where she realizes,

1356
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,199
that's where she knows the song from. It's like from

1357
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:32,920
their ancestors. The friars catch up to the women and

1358
01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:34,840
the priest is like, I'll give you a credit. I

1359
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,039
didn't expect to have to chase you this far. And

1360
01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:39,319
I'm pretty sure it's Katsally. I feel like it's kitz

1361
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:41,760
Sally made me think of that because Katali we see

1362
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,520
her running away from them. Yeah, and it's years later. Yeah,

1363
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,000
the fire, this is just so brutal. She's trying to

1364
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:52,399
finish the the ritual, right, is that she's doing her

1365
01:13:52,399 --> 01:13:55,039
stem or something? Yeah big, I don't know. Yeah. The

1366
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:59,279
priest that finds her, they be her basically, Yeah, they

1367
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:02,520
tell her horrible things. Yeah. Yorsy is watching all this

1368
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,600
and she's like, man, this is brutal too, Like, yeah,

1369
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,800
she can't take this. Here's the curse. And she says

1370
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,000
this with every ounce of hatred that she can render.

1371
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:14,720
You know what I mean. I don't know if it's

1372
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,600
the I think it is this. She says, you spill

1373
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,399
my blood to try and erase our gods our language.

1374
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,680
You think spilling blood will see the end of us.

1375
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,119
We've been bleeding into this land since the first sun

1376
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:27,239
rose over the world. Our gods live in the dirt

1377
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:29,359
as they live in our blood. Where in the food

1378
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,399
your bastard soldiers will eat from the crops and the water,

1379
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,640
you be foul. And then she like cuts herself, takes

1380
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:40,000
out her entrails and digs them up right, Yeah, yeah,

1381
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:43,680
digs them. They start falling, our sacrifice basically, yeah. Her

1382
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,560
introls begin to fall out, along with many pieces of

1383
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,239
large clay. And then she also says, my rage is

1384
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,119
the rage of my gods, the rage of my people,

1385
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:54,880
the rage of my blood. You've spilled it will last

1386
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,079
as long as my heart. And then she casts her

1387
01:14:57,079 --> 01:15:03,479
heart into the remaining embers of her fire. She she yeah,

1388
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,239
this is her sacrifice and her curse. Oh and right

1389
01:15:07,279 --> 01:15:10,039
after this dream is when yourty loses it. So then

1390
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,800
everything else that we mentioned before her journey and everything

1391
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,560
with quietly to the United States happens after this. Yes,

1392
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,880
and this that is Katally, the same girl that is

1393
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:29,479
now possessing Luna. So Yorty gets to them as they're

1394
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,399
like making the giant fire, and I want to say

1395
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,800
carman ran into the house. He said, it's still outside.

1396
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,920
She sees your tea first, She's like, it's me or

1397
01:15:37,119 --> 01:15:39,319
don't want to worry. Yeah, because she said I thought

1398
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:41,600
it would get with wine and dragged. At this point, yeah,

1399
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,720
she's looking rough. She's like, what are you doing here?

1400
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,520
She's like, I'm here to stop all this. And she

1401
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,920
asked where Quietly is and I almost cried again because

1402
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,840
Quietly didn't make it. I know, I'm trying to find

1403
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,720
where she sees them because I want to, like it's

1404
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,760
a little bit after this, I think we're not Page

1405
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,479
twenty one. She asks them if they're attempting a new

1406
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,960
fire ceremony, and he said He's like yeah, a father

1407
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,600
Vedon was supposed to do it with them and an exorcism,

1408
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,880
but he also didn't make it. So this is kind

1409
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,520
of like there. This is the part of the movie

1410
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,600
where they're acknowledging their losses, like, yeah, father Vedon didn't

1411
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,439
make it. Quietly didn't make it. Oh, and it's rough.

1412
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,119
It's rough. And this is where Orsi starts singing the

1413
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:20,079
song that she's been accidentally singing the whole time. I

1414
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:22,720
found where she sees quietly, Oh yeah, there he passes,

1415
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,760
because you know she's been seeing her ancestors. This whole

1416
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,760
tis right, it's on to sixty four quietly of course,

1417
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:32,159
has already passed away. She keeps making her way and

1418
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:36,199
as she's crossing into the Texas state line, she's drifting

1419
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:41,159
off into sleep and she sees specters guiding her along

1420
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:45,279
the highway, and then it says, among the luminous, indiscernible faces,

1421
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:48,680
she saw quad Lee's grinning face. I'm gonna cry. Sorry,

1422
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:51,720
I gotcha. And he knew he and knew he had

1423
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,800
been telling the truth when he said he'd be watching

1424
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:58,520
now for everyone. I think this is hitting harder because

1425
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,439
also the other Muertos, just as sign. I don't know

1426
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,560
if I can say it without crying. So, as I've

1427
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,960
said many times, i haven't gone through it through this year,

1428
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:17,560
and we're really like the past two to three years. Yeah,

1429
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,760
and I'm gonna cry. So so yeah, I was saying

1430
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:23,840
I've been going through it just a little bit after

1431
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,880
I would pass away, and I've had a few dreams

1432
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,520
of him, and so my mom always says, it's because

1433
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,199
he knows you're going through it, so he does I've

1434
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:34,439
had zero dreams. Yeah, I have not had these little

1435
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,039
signs that other people have. And he just he knows

1436
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:39,840
and you need him more than me, right, And that's

1437
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,119
why my mom says and brings me to tears every time,

1438
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:46,119
and so on the other mortals. I lit my first

1439
01:17:46,279 --> 01:17:54,680
candles and I was already crying, and I the way

1440
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,439
my house is, like, my kitchen is a little closed off,

1441
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,199
but there's like a door that was there, so it's

1442
01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:01,319
like a door frame. And then I could see the

1443
01:18:01,319 --> 01:18:05,000
window that faces out to one part of the backyard

1444
01:18:05,039 --> 01:18:07,279
and so I look out and there's like a hummingbird

1445
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,600
on colibrit yes, at the window, and I my husband

1446
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,079
was in the kitchen. He was looking somewhere else in

1447
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:15,159
the kitchen though, and I was like, look a hummingbird.

1448
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,760
But then he turned and it was already gone. So

1449
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,760
it felt like it was just for me, just for

1450
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,239
you to see. Yeah, yeah, and like I know other people,

1451
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,439
just a bird Mexicans co Libri. Did you ever see

1452
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,920
that that video I saw? I shared it. He probably

1453
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,119
said it to me, Oh yeah, No. The one I

1454
01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:37,319
saw was a meme on Instagram. Just at the picture.

1455
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,560
It's like the little funny looking dog with a hat

1456
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,359
on that store and it's like, looks like it's crying.

1457
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:46,159
And there's a humming bird you yeah, yeah, that was

1458
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,199
That's what that was you, but it was him. It

1459
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:50,039
felt so real. So I'm like, it has to be.

1460
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:52,840
It has to it has to And and I don't

1461
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,520
see humming birds anywhere. I can't tell you the last

1462
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,520
time I saw a hummingbird. Yeah. So yeah that reading

1463
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,159
that part right now again it hit even harder. Yeah,

1464
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,520
and like these signs there they are in places you

1465
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,000
know there's Yeah, it's real. And so now back to

1466
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:13,720
where we are in the book, we're Amostone's making her

1467
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,279
way in the house with the cell behind her, and

1468
01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:17,880
she's singing the song for people I love honesty. I

1469
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,800
want to listen to the audiobook just to listen to

1470
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,159
that again, just to hear these word. Times I heard it,

1471
01:19:22,199 --> 01:19:25,399
I was like I felt like a piece inside. No,

1472
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,520
it was so comforting, it was. It really was just

1473
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,520
something about I don't know and again like you and

1474
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,159
I we don't know what what like old and said

1475
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,760
what it meant? Yea also kind of happy it doesn't

1476
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,520
at the same time, that's true. I get what you're saying,

1477
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,119
I get what you're saying. It's it sounds beautiful, It

1478
01:19:43,119 --> 01:19:46,199
really does. She's seeing these words. They're walking through the house,

1479
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:51,479
the the entity that has been possessing her. Kit Sally,

1480
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,239
She's hurt, She is hurting. She saw these horrible things.

1481
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:57,920
It was the end of her world. What happened, you know,

1482
01:19:58,199 --> 01:20:01,520
it was even though the world went on, like they

1483
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,039
were destroyed. Yeah, and she saw such horrible things. She's

1484
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:07,560
in so much pain. And your scene knows it. Your

1485
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,439
sey isn't blaming her. Your sy isn't like saying you evil.

1486
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,720
You know how the movies are casting out a demon

1487
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,479
and they're being so vicious about it. Your see is

1488
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,039
being so empathetic. Kait Sally needs it, and this it

1489
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:23,199
was just it was so beautiful, reminding her like Luna,

1490
01:20:23,279 --> 01:20:28,119
this is your family. Kit Sally is like, no, it's anymore.

1491
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,760
You're just like you know what, Kitsally, I saw you.

1492
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,239
I saw you that night that you create those men.

1493
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,199
And she sings this. She keeps singing the song and

1494
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:40,000
her ancestors are singing with her. They surround her, Yeah,

1495
01:20:40,119 --> 01:20:42,520
and they are singing with her. Her and Luna are

1496
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,680
like locked in this strands together the ancestors are all there,

1497
01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:50,720
and they had to separate the pinata from the heart

1498
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,760
that's inside the pinata. And so while your see is

1499
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,279
like saying all these things, Luna and not Luna, he said,

1500
01:20:57,359 --> 01:21:00,800
has to grab it and pulse it apart based and

1501
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,720
then they have to throw it in the fire. And

1502
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,880
so her and Jorsey like run after they pull this

1503
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:08,760
to go throw it in the fire, and Carmen stays

1504
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:11,600
to try and stop the demon from her not demon,

1505
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:15,119
but like the you know, mim from following so that

1506
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:18,640
they can burn it. Yeah, Yorsey continues, you pitting the

1507
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,720
same song and like I'm gonna read the words, but

1508
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,119
like they're not gonna sound as good as they do

1509
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:26,800
on the audiobook. But yeah, wa in so ChIL siki

1510
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:35,159
yeats laslas sola I sail. And again it sounds way

1511
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:37,840
better than the audiobook. I'm amazing. Honestly, I don't know

1512
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,319
what it means that I don't want to It just

1513
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:43,680
sounds so beautiful. I want to keep it for them.

1514
01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:49,720
But it was comforting. Yes, I completely agree. And once

1515
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,159
they throw it in the fire, it's Luna again. You

1516
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,279
can tell. And now you're seeing the old women are

1517
01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:56,319
like looking at each other. I think, is what's happening.

1518
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,119
And the old woman says, get Suddenly, I came all

1519
01:21:59,119 --> 01:22:01,359
the way, all this way for you and it's too late.

1520
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,720
And it's like she just wanted her daughter. She was

1521
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,760
trying to find her daughter too. It's just so sad.

1522
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,720
It really is, like you understand her anger. Yeah, and

1523
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,560
then the thing I didn't like though, kind of like

1524
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,279
the Sanchez family. They're hugging each other, they're embracing each other.

1525
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,159
They turn around looking for You're gone. I wish they

1526
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,880
would have had a time, like a debriefing together. Yeah,

1527
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,159
but yeah, she has she has things. She knows what

1528
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:27,840
she needs to do because your ancestors are guiding her.

1529
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:31,199
And yeah, she she has to get to work immediately. Yeah,

1530
01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:34,359
and the book ends, Oh sorry, Luna has the dream

1531
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:37,000
of her own. After all this, everyone's okay. I goes

1532
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,119
to the hospital at the end. Oh my god, that

1533
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:41,600
was also so beautiful. I forgot about this. Yeah, this

1534
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,159
is actually how I wanted to say really quick. So, yeah,

1535
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:50,560
you talked about how basically this goddess spirit whatever was angry.

1536
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,359
I guess she's a meya. But anyway, Yeah, she's like

1537
01:22:54,399 --> 01:22:57,680
talking to her and yeah, you said about the Kitali.

1538
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,239
When she says, I came all this way for you,

1539
01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:03,680
but I was too late, and that's when she dissipates, right, yes, yeah,

1540
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,039
and so then Carmen asked what was that? And then Luna.

1541
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:08,840
I thought it was one who said this, But Luna

1542
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,319
is the one who says she wanted the same thing

1543
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:12,560
you wanted. She want her family back, She wanted their

1544
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,359
home to be returned to how it was. And then

1545
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,680
Yortzy says, we have to live among the living. History

1546
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,680
moves with the swift cruelty fighting. It is impossible. The

1547
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,399
spirits of the dead, unable to leave their grudges behind,

1548
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,920
poison the air for the living. Luckily, many of my

1549
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,079
ancestors understood that more than others. Without them, I would

1550
01:23:29,119 --> 01:23:30,920
have never been able to stop the door from fully

1551
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,960
opening within your daughter. So I don't know, I like,

1552
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:36,199
I kind of liked reading that because I think it's easy.

1553
01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:39,079
It helped. It's It's like to me, what I said

1554
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:42,039
is like, it's easier to hold on to the hatred, yes,

1555
01:23:42,279 --> 01:23:45,119
than to like accept you have. The harder thing is

1556
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:48,079
like the world. It's like you have to accept that

1557
01:23:48,119 --> 01:23:53,439
book the reality yes, even though for Katally and her

1558
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,319
whole entire family, her brother literally got Vita down in

1559
01:23:56,359 --> 01:23:59,159
front of her, her mom and her were separated, so many,

1560
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:02,359
so many deaths, so so much pain. We you know,

1561
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,319
unfortunately come from that pain and the people that brought

1562
01:24:06,319 --> 01:24:10,159
on that pain. And at some point, yeah, it happened,

1563
01:24:10,279 --> 01:24:14,840
and it's terrible, and yeah, the cry, you know what

1564
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:16,439
remind me of I don't want to bring this back

1565
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:21,119
to Avatar, but it reminded me of when he finds

1566
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:27,439
out about his the air Nomads being killed. Yes, yeah,

1567
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,800
and him being the last Airbender. He's like the only

1568
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,439
one left, and like the pain that he feels and

1569
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,239
he goes into Avatar mode and then Katara's like, no,

1570
01:24:36,359 --> 01:24:38,359
like we have to move on, blahlah blah. Like that's

1571
01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:40,399
what it reminds me of the whole time that Yot

1572
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,640
was like trying to talk the spirit down. That's what

1573
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,800
reminded me of. Yeah, oh my god, scene for scene. Yeah, yeah,

1574
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,239
I just love how you're always bringing things back to Avatar.

1575
01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:50,760
I really am. And I really like the live version

1576
01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:54,000
or whatever it's called, the Hive Action, especially because it's

1577
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,760
a little bit different than the cartoon and they show

1578
01:24:57,159 --> 01:25:00,760
the Airbenders fighting and they don't show that in the cartoon,

1579
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,680
and it made me cry. Legit, it made me cry

1580
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,600
because I'm like, they fought, yeah, you know, they fought

1581
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,560
to their last breath, and I was like crying. Yeah,

1582
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,960
it just makes me think all again all the horrible

1583
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,319
things that our aunt sisters have gone through and and

1584
01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:17,760
sadly for so many of us, it's like the same,

1585
01:25:18,039 --> 01:25:20,920
both sides of it are present, right, yeah, but yeah,

1586
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:24,960
it's horrible and it's something still happening today to indigenous

1587
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,520
people and they're out here still fighting, like the them

1588
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:33,399
being alive today is resisting its power, you know. And

1589
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,760
that's just that your tea. That's what she's basically saying

1590
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:38,920
too at the end. But back to the net dream,

1591
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:43,000
that's just the last thing that happens. Sorry, well you

1592
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,760
told me to speed things up. Okay, I'm so sorry.

1593
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,600
I know I did. But now that I'm like, have

1594
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,680
the book open in front of me, I I'm the

1595
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,359
last page. You know where we talked about your tea.

1596
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:54,319
You know, she has stuff to do. Yeah, and you know,

1597
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:57,560
as she's walking away, like our ancestors are all like

1598
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,960
around her, right, and she says the dead are now

1599
01:26:00,039 --> 01:26:03,479
ever really gone? They stick around in the soil, the dust,

1600
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,439
in our stories and songs, Traces of them, all of

1601
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,640
those within me now, traces shades of the past from

1602
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,920
in a picture. And then her ancestors respond to her

1603
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,399
like in her head and they're like, why would God

1604
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,760
be any different? So she like, I feel like she

1605
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,600
knows she has to keep going. Yes, yeah, okay, now,

1606
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,560
and that's that's the last thing we see of Yorzy.

1607
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,520
She wanders off, and I want a whole book of

1608
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:30,600
Yorksey's adventures. So yeah, I don't think you're listening, but

1609
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,640
someone please clip this if you know him, and send

1610
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,199
it to him and tell him, like, we need adventures,

1611
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,439
a whole book about what Yorty does after please, yeah, please,

1612
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:47,319
but I really need that in my life right now. Yeah.

1613
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:49,800
But so Yorty leaves, everyone has to go to the

1614
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,720
hospital because Josh Annabela are awake. Now Josh's unas or

1615
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,039
he said, his boyfriend that got on the coma after

1616
01:26:56,159 --> 01:27:00,520
the butterflies, Yeah, obstting a butterfly attack. Yes, so they're

1617
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,039
awake and they go to the hospital and then you know,

1618
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:05,840
things are jolly while they're there. Luna dozes off against

1619
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,239
her mother's chest and she drifts into sleep, and for

1620
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:11,960
the first time since becoming possessed in Mexico, she has

1621
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,920
a dream. She's in the deep forest, the suns over

1622
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,079
her head. She following a small girl that is going

1623
01:27:18,119 --> 01:27:21,680
through this forest tree. The girl's body is bruised and

1624
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,479
cut from days of traveling. Every once in a while,

1625
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,560
the girl stops and stays still, like she's listening for footsteps.

1626
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,279
This is Katzali, This is Katsani after she ran away.

1627
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:34,439
They traveled together for days. The girl never aware Luna

1628
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,319
was following, Luna following the whole time. They go to

1629
01:27:37,399 --> 01:27:40,600
a river. The girl breaks into a sprint, and then

1630
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,399
the girl across the water. The girl stares back into

1631
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,399
a group of Nawa tending to a fire and cooking

1632
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,720
what they have foraged. There's women and children among them,

1633
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:55,520
injured people. They're welcoming refugees by the fire. She sits

1634
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,159
down against a tree and bites into a frew. Finally

1635
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:02,199
able to rest. They're running for so long. She looks

1636
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:05,119
into the sun and she hums herself. The song that

1637
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,319
Yorksy has been singing the whole time. The song that

1638
01:28:08,399 --> 01:28:11,760
Yorty is saying to save Luna and just I feel

1639
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,520
like this is Kitzally finally reunited with her family. Yeah right,

1640
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,359
And I almost cried. I wondered if it was. Oh yeah,

1641
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:22,319
because in the beginning, when Kittali's first running away, do

1642
01:28:22,359 --> 01:28:24,279
they catch up to her? They do? Huh, Now we

1643
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:26,479
don't never, we don't need a catch up, Okay. So

1644
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,680
I feel like this could either be like in I

1645
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,640
don't know, in the afterlife or something when she re

1646
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,720
unites with her family, or she did escape and found

1647
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,479
refuge with other nahwa and so like her mom, even

1648
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,800
though her mom never found her. She went on to resh, Yeah, yeah,

1649
01:28:43,079 --> 01:28:46,680
I wonder I think you're I feel like I'm right. Yeah,

1650
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:51,359
I think you're right. And that's fucking amazing. Yeah chills, chills. Yeah.

1651
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:54,399
So I thought it was a beautiful ending to a

1652
01:28:54,439 --> 01:29:04,079
beautiful book. Me to questions, discussion, questions, We've made it finally. Sorry,

1653
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:06,359
that was all the recap and thoughts of the book,

1654
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:11,159
because it was such an amazing book. It was I'm

1655
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,000
going to reread this for sure, me too. This is

1656
01:29:14,039 --> 01:29:17,439
probably gonna be a yearly the read for me. Yes,

1657
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,880
I feel like it's so it's so the other one

1658
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,880
of those. Yeah, just the answers is coming back looking

1659
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,960
for revenge but then uniting to save this Luna and

1660
01:29:29,039 --> 01:29:31,640
the world. The world's amazing, It's gonna be the end

1661
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,159
of the world. Yeah, it was. I love the books.

1662
01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:37,600
Let's get into questions. Yeah, so the first question. The

1663
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,720
book is set in Mexico and then in New York,

1664
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,439
with a lot of history and culture with into it.

1665
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,479
Did you feel like it took away from the story

1666
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,880
or added to it? Oh? For sure, I added to it.

1667
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,880
I feel like we couldn't. This story would not have

1668
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:51,479
been the same without the history. Yeah, we needed to

1669
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,239
be in Medico for all this to happen, first of all,

1670
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,399
but we also needed to understand the history and the

1671
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,319
horrible things that happened to Sure, sure, Kat Sally into

1672
01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:06,319
the monster's mom. Sally is it Sali mom? Now? I

1673
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:08,880
don't know, you know what, I'm not sure because yeah,

1674
01:30:09,279 --> 01:30:11,880
in the beginning, okay, with Kit, Sally is the one

1675
01:30:12,119 --> 01:30:15,359
running away, right and then Kit Sally is the one

1676
01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:20,960
who presents herself to Luna, but then for her daughters. Yeah,

1677
01:30:21,359 --> 01:30:23,399
so maybe it's both of them. I don't know. I

1678
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,319
don't know. That's part, isn't I think it's her mom.

1679
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,319
And I think because her mom knows she needed Luna,

1680
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:34,279
and she presented herself as her daughter, maybe okay to

1681
01:30:34,399 --> 01:30:36,560
lure her. You know, I think you're right. I think

1682
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,720
you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. But let us

1683
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,920
know if you think otherwise. If you have other daughters, yeah,

1684
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,159
we wanted to hear them, and nobody wrote in just kidding,

1685
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:46,439
just kidding, just kidding, But yeah, no, and I agree

1686
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,000
with you completely that we needed both things. I saw

1687
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:51,239
some people say that it took away from the experience

1688
01:30:51,319 --> 01:30:54,319
of the book. I'm like, now, you're right. So first

1689
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:56,680
of all, I don't think you should give an opinion.

1690
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,439
You're not allowed to read this. I think you can

1691
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,600
read this book. I think you need read this book.

1692
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:01,760
But I don't think you need to let us know

1693
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:07,000
what we thought about it. No, because it was necessary.

1694
01:31:07,119 --> 01:31:09,600
And for me, first of all, I love like obviously

1695
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:14,119
me and you we love history, yes, hence our history podcast,

1696
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:17,000
So I never mind. I love a horror history where

1697
01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:18,760
we get a mix of both. This is why I

1698
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:26,720
love Garcia does the same thing, Veronica Castro, same thing, honestly,

1699
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,239
and I love it. I'm here for it, and this

1700
01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:30,600
book did it beautifully? Oh yeah, and it was like

1701
01:31:31,239 --> 01:31:33,720
it wasn't like like some I think some books force

1702
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,760
it in to me. It didn't feel worst. Oh no.

1703
01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:39,399
Father Vedon is telling it at one point because he

1704
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,439
needs to learn about the ritual I needs to be done.

1705
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:45,960
I loved like all of that. Yeah. When quat Lean

1706
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,640
your cr at the house telling the girls the girls

1707
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,399
don't know, they need to know, and they're also letting

1708
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,199
us know like I don't. I didn't. It didn't feel

1709
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:54,239
worse to me anything. Even if there was more of it.

1710
01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:56,760
I would have loved that too. Yeah. Yeah, because this

1711
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:57,960
could have been longer and I would have loved it,

1712
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,399
And it could have been more history and I would

1713
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:03,439
have loved it. Okay, the story is mostly about what

1714
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,159
is happening to Luna, but we get multiple perspectives. How

1715
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:07,960
did you feel about this? Did you want more from

1716
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,960
certain characters? Or did it add any confusion for you

1717
01:32:11,039 --> 01:32:14,600
to for the plot? I'm sorry, one Moon. Okay, the

1718
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,680
story is mostly about what's happening to Luna, but we

1719
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,840
got multiple perspectives. How did you feel about this? Did

1720
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:26,000
you want more from certain characters? Did the multiple perspectives

1721
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:28,720
add confusion to the plot. No, I don't think it

1722
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:33,560
was confusing. I loved following along everyone's like journeys while

1723
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,560
all of this was happening. I feel like I could

1724
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:41,359
have used a less of Gottman's thoughts and more of

1725
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:45,000
your ty thoughts. Like I get it she was a mom,

1726
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:48,279
But yeah, I would have loved more quietly on me too. Honestly,

1727
01:32:49,239 --> 01:32:52,800
this was in their perspective. I'm just kidding that Wulda

1728
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,520
made sense. It would have made sense. Luna is the

1729
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,319
one being honest to whatever. I personally felt like we

1730
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,039
had enough of Luna. I I don't really even think

1731
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:06,279
I needed to hear from Luna Orsen, Like, Okay, the

1732
01:33:06,359 --> 01:33:07,920
other podcast that we listened to, they were like, oh,

1733
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,479
I wish I would have got more from is said,

1734
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,760
and I'm like, no, honestly we did. I think we

1735
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,279
got the right amount of Acent me too, if not

1736
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,640
too much, maybe a little less Carmen a little more

1737
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,479
recent once they were back in New York. Yeah, because

1738
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,640
she kind of saw more. But I feel like that

1739
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,199
did happen. We did get less, that is what happened,

1740
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:30,680
and we did get more of the two kids in school,

1741
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,720
especially once they were in school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

1742
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,800
so to me, I could have used less Carmen in Mexico. Yes, yeah,

1743
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,239
me too, like and more history, yeah, and more you

1744
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,960
see more kid Sally honestly, no, like it's Sally in

1745
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,199
the beginning, Like I would have loved to find out

1746
01:33:48,199 --> 01:33:49,760
a little bit more about her life. I think it

1747
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,960
was the right amount, honestly, I do. I'm just saying

1748
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,439
why because I could have used a little bit of

1749
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,640
less Catman. But it was fine, Like, I don't I

1750
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,359
didn't need it, you know what. It was important all

1751
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:02,399
this rewritten from the point of view of Catalian. She's like,

1752
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:08,560
that's another request, but she is flying off the teacher. Yeah,

1753
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:13,279
you're hurting me. No, but I think it was I

1754
01:34:13,359 --> 01:34:16,000
think it could have been less Carmen, more everyone else, honestly,

1755
01:34:16,039 --> 01:34:20,039
but it wasn't bad. It wasn't Yeah, more Luna, I

1756
01:34:20,079 --> 01:34:22,800
don't think so. No, I don't think so, you know,

1757
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:26,880
I don't think so. Okay. So also because it kept

1758
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,199
you wondering, like what the fuck is Luna doing? Yeah,

1759
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,000
it's just like the characters is yeah yeah, and I

1760
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:37,079
and that was perfect to be made creepier. Yeah, what

1761
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:40,560
did you think of Carmen? Did she make any decisions?

1762
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,840
That you wouldn't agree with. Would you have done something different?

1763
01:34:43,039 --> 01:34:45,439
I feel like we only think we were doubling different

1764
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,600
because we we know what's happening, and she didn't. Yeah,

1765
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,840
but also I did not Yeah go ahead, no you finished,

1766
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:57,960
No you finished? Okay. I think also we would have

1767
01:34:58,039 --> 01:35:01,279
done something differently culturally because if it we already know

1768
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,960
what we've already been told. I was going to say

1769
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,319
the same thing, so yeah, I thought so, yeah, I

1770
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:08,960
thought you were going to so I think the moment personally,

1771
01:35:09,039 --> 01:35:13,039
the moment Jorci said spiritually, spiritually not maybe not the

1772
01:35:13,079 --> 01:35:14,720
first time. Maybe the first time, I still would have

1773
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,760
been a little like I don't know, you you know,

1774
01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:19,760
but in the house when her and Whattney came to

1775
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,159
the house and all those things had already happened, the bracelet,

1776
01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:27,760
the Braley toldly twice. Yeah, yeah, at that point, I

1777
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,039
would have been like, what do I need to do? Yeah,

1778
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,399
that would have been the sign like again, yeah, you

1779
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,520
already said it. But like if my if I was

1780
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,079
going into some old ass building and my Dan told

1781
01:35:38,119 --> 01:35:40,520
me you need to spin around three times jump and

1782
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:45,439
then yeah, I'm gonna do it, So yeah, I would

1783
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,479
have I would have done that differently, I do think so, yeah,

1784
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,000
I do understand why she was so hesitant and when

1785
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,119
she was ignoring everything, because at the same time, I

1786
01:35:53,159 --> 01:35:57,079
would scary, denial is easier. That's why it's a form

1787
01:35:57,199 --> 01:36:01,520
of uh, it's a defense mechanism for a reason, exactly exactly.

1788
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:03,079
So I get it. I get it. But she did

1789
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:06,159
get on my nerves. Yeah, she actually didn't super get

1790
01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:09,239
on my nerves. I was just like, no, which is

1791
01:36:09,279 --> 01:36:13,319
that the right? Yeah? Yeah, okay. So who was a

1792
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,119
villain in Pineta? How did the author portray them? Did

1793
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:19,520
you understand their motives and did they have redeeming qualities

1794
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,479
or human emotions? I understood the villains to be the

1795
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:30,960
Spaniards in my eyes, Kittally and her mom or Kitzani's mom,

1796
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:35,720
the mimeh. They were just doing what they felt like

1797
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,520
they needed to do. Yeah, and I was there for it.

1798
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,159
I was, of course, not in support of Luna and

1799
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,239
her family being hurt. I was in support of the

1800
01:36:46,399 --> 01:36:51,039
three bullies being hurt. I personally wouldn't have killed father

1801
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:54,720
ven On, but I understood it. Yeah, I understood why

1802
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:59,159
it happened. Yeah, and yeah, no, I the Spaniards are

1803
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:02,199
the real villains. Yeah, I completely agree. And then maybe

1804
01:37:02,279 --> 01:37:05,640
not father vid On now, but the because of his job,

1805
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,600
he had to like yeah, he had to go down.

1806
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,039
I get it, I get it. I get it. Every

1807
01:37:10,079 --> 01:37:11,319
time we say that it makes you to give the one.

1808
01:37:11,319 --> 01:37:15,000
It's a hudge, its pandemic. Like, I get it. I

1809
01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:21,399
respect it. That's nobody, get it. I respect it. The Yeah,

1810
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:25,520
like I understand her side too. Yeah, and to me,

1811
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:29,680
she was not the villain. No, No, the pain caused

1812
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,279
by the colonizers, that's though, they're the villains. Yeah, that

1813
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:37,520
Friar in the beginning, who did that to the ool?

1814
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,359
I was so glad when he fucking died. Same and

1815
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,920
then the ones that cut up to get Sally and

1816
01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:47,520
then yeah, that too horrible. So they're the villains. Okay,

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next question, I'm glad we're on the same patre. Yeah,

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01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:56,079
of course. How did the author explore themes like justice, morality, revenge, royalty, survival.

1819
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,159
He hit on every single one of those. Yeah, I

1820
01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:02,119
feel like ultimate only the answer is like empathy, Yeah,

1821
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,880
is the real power, and the real revenge is to

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01:38:06,119 --> 01:38:14,319
continue living. Yeah, that was beautifully said. I don't need

1823
01:38:14,319 --> 01:38:18,159
to say more. Cool. Yeah, we're not just trying to

1824
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:22,239
rush through answers with the plot, I swear with the

1825
01:38:22,319 --> 01:38:28,720
recap sweat. Were you satisfied with the book's outcome or

1826
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,039
did you have any questions or doubts left un answered?

1827
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,840
For me, there were no plot holes. I feel like

1828
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,399
I don't know about I would have again, I just

1829
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,319
I just wanted more your c I wanted to know

1830
01:38:40,359 --> 01:38:44,439
where she went. But I understand its own book. I know.

1831
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,079
I was gonna say, like, I would have loved to

1832
01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:49,880
know what your se uh is up to. I would

1833
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,880
have wanted to see her talk with the family a

1834
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,119
little bit, with Gottman in them. Yeah, but I understand

1835
01:38:55,159 --> 01:38:58,479
that she's a busy woman. Yeah. She The answert is like,

1836
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:00,720
all right, you need to go over their next to go.

1837
01:39:01,039 --> 01:39:05,520
I'm ready to find out what has been up to. Yeah,

1838
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,439
And like, did Yorte maybe need some rest? No, the

1839
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,640
ancestors are helping her. She doesn't need help. She doesn't

1840
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,039
need to physically stop. She rest is the guidance of

1841
01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:18,199
her ancest Yeah. So to me, that's fine when when

1842
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,039
her feels like it, you know, like right now, she

1843
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:24,840
doesn't need it. She could have kept going because she's powerful. Yeah, yeah,

1844
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,600
exactly because that was another thing that podcast was like, Ye,

1845
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,600
doesn't she needs a rest after all, dcause she's super hiven. No,

1846
01:39:32,079 --> 01:39:36,279
she has the help of the ancestor. She's fine. Yeah,

1847
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:42,840
they're literally carrying her. Yes, their strength is carrying her

1848
01:39:43,039 --> 01:39:46,640
to go on, like she probably commoted from Texas to

1849
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:50,760
New York. I believe it, like what. I believe it too,

1850
01:39:51,039 --> 01:39:53,359
And I'm here for you to me too. I'm not

1851
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:58,760
questioning anything. No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not. I

1852
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,600
feel like I got everything I need it from this book. No,

1853
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,319
I agree, I agree. No, and I again I understand

1854
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:13,439
your tea will get her own book. Please out give

1855
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:18,720
us a Yorky sequel. Yeah, okay, yes, all right. Last question,

1856
01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:22,880
what did you rate this book? Five upstating butterflies? That

1857
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:27,199
are five obstating butterflies, yes, okay for me, five miss

1858
01:40:27,399 --> 01:40:36,079
and five mess five fives offers, yes, yeah, five bloody

1859
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:42,359
piatas full of entrails out of five bloody pinatas full entrails. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1860
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:47,479
I had a great time reading this. Yeah. I don't understand.

1861
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:52,520
If you didn't like this book, get the out there's this,

1862
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:57,000
come get them. I will call her up right now. No,

1863
01:40:57,119 --> 01:40:58,760
but yeah, it was good. It was so good. It

1864
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:00,720
was so good. I had a great time reading this.

1865
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,640
Like I already said, we already said so much about it,

1866
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,439
Like I don't think we need to really odd anything else.

1867
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,760
I don't think so. No, No, But do you have

1868
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,840
any other final thoughts? No, I think that we have

1869
01:41:12,039 --> 01:41:15,680
touched on everything that we need to touch on or

1870
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:20,479
needed to touch on. A beautiful combination of the horrors

1871
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:24,079
of the past, the horrors of colonization weaved into the present,

1872
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:30,119
and how these horrors affect generation after generation and things.

1873
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:36,239
You know. Yeah, really, that's a beautiful book. One of

1874
01:41:36,279 --> 01:41:38,119
my favorite book club reads so far. And I say

1875
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:40,760
that every time. I really do think I think. I

1876
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,439
think Pianta has been my favorite. I agree, though, and

1877
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,920
I love them all. Yeah, and Pianta is up there.

1878
01:41:47,079 --> 01:41:50,159
It is up there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, okay, we

1879
01:41:50,279 --> 01:41:53,800
made it before two hours later, Oh my god, I know,

1880
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:57,439
a whole two hours let's announce our next book club

1881
01:41:57,479 --> 01:41:59,640
Oh I forgot what it was already, So yes, what

1882
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,079
is it? Okay? What about? Have you heard of The

1883
01:42:02,119 --> 01:42:06,319
Witches of El Paso? No, I haven't. It's by Louis Kamio.

1884
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:08,840
Better than know what it's about. I saw it from

1885
01:42:09,399 --> 01:42:12,880
Coffee and Quentos. Oh, so shout out Coffee and Guentos. Yes,

1886
01:42:13,079 --> 01:42:15,359
I get all my book rex from her, but we haven't.

1887
01:42:15,359 --> 01:42:18,359
I feel like we haven't read something WITCHI. No we haven't. Well,

1888
01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:22,920
I'll here the Witches separately, but not from so you

1889
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,720
found theo synopsis. Yeah, so if you call the if

1890
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:28,479
you call it to the Witches, they will come. Nineteen

1891
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:31,680
forty three and Paso. Yes, teenager Nana already, let's do it,

1892
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,359
fuck it, so live all right, I'm down, Okay. Our

1893
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,399
next book club read is The Witches of El Paso

1894
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,640
by Louis Camio, and I'm excited me too. Yeah I

1895
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,279
haven't read something WITCHI. Yeah, we really haven't. So actually, yeah,

1896
01:42:45,319 --> 01:42:48,119
this is awesome. All right. By the time this comes out,

1897
01:42:48,199 --> 01:42:51,199
I will have added that to If you're on StoryGraph,

1898
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,359
the book club books are all in one challenge. You

1899
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,319
can see them, you can participate that way, so that

1900
01:42:57,399 --> 01:42:59,880
will be added on. It'll also be on our bookshop

1901
01:43:00,079 --> 01:43:01,760
if you want to buy the book through bookshop, and

1902
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:07,199
we get like some coins from that, and I will

1903
01:43:07,279 --> 01:43:09,319
also this will be up you know obviously on Friday.

1904
01:43:09,399 --> 01:43:11,119
So that is our next book. I'll send out the

1905
01:43:11,159 --> 01:43:15,479
newsletter at some point. I'm very behind on things, so yeah,

1906
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,560
all right, well this was so fun, Carmen and I

1907
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,600
needed this. Thank you to me too, all right, everyone else,

1908
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:26,520
don't follow the little girls you don't know into sheds. Yeah.

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01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:28,760
So if you see old ladies with things protruding out

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of their chests, that's a good strong it's been strong. Yeah.

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Uh stay spookye. We'll catch everyone next time by its

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