Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another
episode of Spooky Tells a book Club. Oh and Milo's here, Yes,
Milo's behind Carman. If you're on watching on YouTube, you'll
see Milo's head and his little ears just stood up.
So cute. Anyway, Yeah, this is not a regular episode.
It is a book Club episode. Book Club, book Club,
book Club, book Club. We're holding our books and moving
them up and down. Yeah, so our book Club episode
on Binata. By and in case this is anyone's first
book Club episode, this is not spoiler free. Only the
initial summary. We give a spoiler free after that. After
that we're gonna go through the entire plot. Yeah, you
know how like there's movie recap, this is like a
book recap. That's how we do our book Club episodes.
We do a little short synopsis, like the one you
read when you buy the book, the one actually in
the back back of the book. We're gonna read that.
Then we're going to do a recap of the book.
We opine a little bit throughout the recap. Throughout the recap,
we give our thoughts on certain parts. We read quotes
that we really like. Yeah, at the end of the recap,
we go through the discussion questions that were sent out
to everyone, which actually nobody answered this time. But you
know what, it's a busy time of year. You're right,
you're right, and it's okay people, it's okay if you didn't,
I know, people read it. Oh, it's okay if you
don't answer any questions. Yeah, we just like reading them.
But it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Yeah, I love
reading their answers. Yeah. But you know what I forgive
everyone today at the time of recording, it's been a
rough it's been a rough day. We won't get into it,
but we are recording in the sixth Yeah, so once
you hear the date, you'll know why. It's been a
rough day for a lot of us, a lot of yeah,
a lot of people. And that's why we're just gonna
we're just getting together and talking about a book, you know. Yeah,
because in times of turmoil, times of difficulties, we're just
to keep telling our little ghost stories in these times,
We're just going to keep telling our little ghost stories
and reading our little horror books and just continuing on
being little as spooky bitches. But the real life horror
is every day. Yeah, and so we're just going to
escape into our ghostly horrors. When I tell you I've
been reading NonStop this whole year is because this whole
year has been awful for me. But and you know,
yesterday was just more awful on top of the already
awfulness that I've been going through. And that's why I
read almost sixty something books this year, and that's why
I've watched so many shows The Wonking Dad eleven seasons
of The Wonking Dead and now this Dixon is real.
But also list leading to community, like there's no need
to despair. You know, we have each other, we do Okay, yes,
so you want to read the back of the book. Yeah,
this is our only spoiler free section. We're reading the
back of the book. The synopsis is over. Spoilers galore. Okay,
they were worshiped by our ancestors. Now they're forgotten. Soon
they'll make us remember it was supposed to be the
perfect summer. Okay. Sorry. This whole time I was reading
the book, I read Godman like in Spanish, but I
never say my name is Spanish unless I'm talking in Spanish.
That made me laugh. That is true. The whole time
I was like what if this was actually Carmen? What
if she No? I want to be this honestly. Okay,
we'll get into it. We'll get it, It'll get it. Okay.
Godman Sanchez is back in Mexico, supervising the renovation of
an ancient abbey. Her daughters, Isle and Luna, too young
to be left alone in New York, join her, and
what Godman hopes is a chance for them to connect
with their roots. Then an accident at the worksite unerts
a stash of rare, centuries old artifacts. The disaster costs
got Mean her job, cutting the family trip short, but
something malevolent and unexplainable follows him home to New York,
stalking the Sanchez family and heralding a coming catastrophe, and
it may already be too late to escape what's been awakened.
Dunt dun, dum dum, perfect right on key and from
now on spoilers. Okay, Oh you know what, Okay, let
me just read the nose of the Amazon, because it's different.
It's a little bit different. Yeah, So a head full
of Ghosts meets Hereditary in have you seen? Have you
read a head full of Ghosts? I have not seen
that I thought it was a book. Yeah, I know
it is a book. I said, it's because The Hereditary
is a movie. A headful of Ghosts is I kept
seeing a head full of Ghosts meets Mexican Gothic, which, honestly,
it's nothing like Mexican Gothic. It's nothing like either book,
and I just wish they would just say something different. Yeah,
it's it's like the other one is a possession story,
and I guess that's then and involves a girl and
and a family, So I guess in those ways, it's
a nosense in that sense, nobody in the sense that Yeah. So,
Carmen Sanchez is back in her home country of Mexico,
overseeing the renovation of an ancient cathedral into a boutique hotel.
Her teen daughters, isl and Luna are with her for
the summer and left to fill their afternoons and supervised
in a foreign city. The locals treat the sancha's a
woman like outsiders, while Carmen's contractors openly define sabotage her work.
After a disastrous accident at the consertion site, nearly interests Luna,
Carmen's had enough. They're leaving back in New York, Luna
beg exactly strange and only is notices the chilling changes
that are happening to her younger sister. But it might
be too late for the Sanchez family to escape what's
been awakened. So some parts are different, parts are similar.
I feel like that's not right. That's the reason. Not right.
She doesn't leave because she has enough. She leaves, They
take her off of the job. This is what Goodreads said,
and they all notice the creepiness that she, like is said,
is not the only one that I'm sooner than others?
Yeah yeah, yeah. Some excuse it as something else, but
like to they excuse it, but they notice it. Okay,
let's fa to it. Let's get it into your recap.
Yeah yeah, okay. So the book starts with the prologue.
Said in the past, Oh my god, that prologue was amazing.
It was. Yes, I had me hooked just from there,
you know, immediately hooked. Yeah, yeah, I was. You know
what it reminded me of, Sorry, should I finish before No? No,
this is our book club. We do what we want.
Go on. Well, it reminded me of doesn't the haunting
Alejandra start off with the prologue that's similar like in
the past. Yes, yes, that's what reminded me of Yeah, okay,
now you can go ahead. That's okay. Yeah, again, amazing prologue.
So as you read, you realize we're not in modern Mexico.
We're at the fall of the Orhico today. In the
book there or in the prologue, they're talking about how
locals are dying from either the conquest or diseases that
the Friars are immune to because they're bitches because they
brought them. Yeah, exactly, precisely. Cemente and the Friar are
forcing children to recite lave Maria the prayer. Then one
of the friars tells an indigenous child that is the
translator for the rest of them. I think it was
a man. Oh, I thought it was another. They said
just a translator, and I assumed there was a trial.
I assume there was a man. So interesting, Yeah, okay,
someone the translator. He the friar tells the translator, whoever
breaks the piata gets a price. And I'm going to
read this part from the book because it's too good.
So where this is pat that tell them to strike
it milkiades, that's the friar said to the interpreter, and
whoever breaks it gets a price. The other friar sneaker
like little fucking bitches. Sorry I edit that on. Amused
by the child's realization of what he was being asked
to do. Tell him it's a game shortly, the boy said, anxiously.
The child turned to the clergyman, white eyed, and then
turned back to the rest of the children, Not daring
to look at the pot. He his teeth as his
shoulders heaved and began to cry melgia. This pushed him
toward the pot, trying to make him hold the stick.
The interpreter follows, suit yelling and telling him, Oh, you
know what, I think you're right, it is a man. Yeah.
The interpreter follows, suit yelling and telling him, and I
want to strike it. The children shrieked, I can't, I shouldn't.
It's an offering. It can't just be spilled. The boy
holding the stick repeated again and again. The interpreter translated.
The friar slapped the boy's head and called another child
older than the first, forcing the stick into his hands,
hit it down it or I'll have you beaten dead
right there, Melgialis said. The boy swung and connected with
the pot, immediately dropping the stick, hoping that he had
fulfilled the request. But the friar continued to shout and
grab the stick from the ground, showing it back into
the boy's hands, pressing firmly so he won't drop it again.
And so he keeps hitting the pot. And this this
isn't what the piatas were meant for. There's supposed to
be a sacrifice, not to you know, break in this manner.
I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit, okay, So when
he does the final strike, the pinata, which is like
a clay pot, it's not the pingata as we know today,
but the pinata cracks and breaks and there's, like, let
me read this, flesh entrails and a deep break in
the syrup of coagulated blood poured from the shattered base
of the pinata. The shrieks of children grew louder, watching
and wailing in their hopelessness. Can you fucking imagine that
you're breaking a piata? And literal, what are they putting
in there? I thought that's what they put to like
for their sacrifice or yeah, they're not, but they're not
meant to be broken. So that's why, right, Yeah, but
can you I just you're breaking a piata and yeah,
this falls out. Yeah, it's horrifying. This is like the
the whites are taking what they're supposed to be sacrificed
and just doing whatever they want. Like they're like corrupting
this ritual, this cultural like spiritual ritual. They're just fucking
it up. Yeah, with no regard or care, like exactly. Yeah,
And so the Friar Melkaddis he turned back to the
group of kids and he tells them you'll find that
God doesn't ask for blood and viscera, none of these
barbaric offerings your ancestors gave. But then he turns around
and he beats this kid to death. Horrible, and I
wonder what is more barbaric? No, you know, it was
so creepy too, Like he says before it's before he
beats him up right, Yeah, he says, the Almighty only
wants your soul. Yeah that's creepy. I'm sorry, that's yeah,
that's it's horrifying. Yeah. So there's another young boy that
refuses to break the next pot, and that's the boy
that gets beat to death by Melkaddis and nobody stops him. Yeah.
When the sister of this boy tries to stop them,
the same friar tells her, don't worry, child, the dogs
will eat him, so he will finally be of some use.
He'll return to the arms of one of your horrid gods.
Then we learn that this little girl, her name is
kit Sally, which will come back. Yeah, and she's apparently
quite the troublemaker want to tie her up and she
manages to run and they are chasing her. Then the
same friar goes back to his room at the abbey.
When he walks into his room there, I'm reading this
from the book. When he walks into his room at
the abbey, he like, here's something and so he's like, hello,
who's there? And this is from the book. A terrible
pale face, skeletal and eye lists emerged from the shadow
near skinless, what flesh and maintained, hung tattered and decaying
from its visage like ribbons. The imagery Oh yeah, its
body unrevealed. The face drew nearer to the fryar as
its neck extended farther and farther. Sit back horrified, his
breath catching in his throat, asking his God for protection.
Just reminds me of the aparment. We always yes, no
God here whatever say. Worst line ever, so screapy, I
mean creepy, I come whatever, I come by scary and
creepy and screepy. You know what, should we start saying that? No? No, no, no, no,
I don't like it. I mean you could say it
if you want. I don't know, Like screepy. Stop trying
to make screepy happen. It's not gonna happen. And the
Friar is pretty much killed by this entity in his room.
I was so scared this, Like immediately you're like, what
the hell? Yeah, that's the prologue. That's not even starts
right off the bat, right off the bat, and then
we get to chapter one. We meet Carmen and her
two daughters. Eleven year old Luna, we meet the fam, Yes,
the fam, sixteen year old Isel. They're in Tulancingo, is Ago, Mexico,
far from their hometown of New York. Right away we
learned they're there because of Carmen's work. El the sixteen
year old Little Brady, six year old it's Mexico. She's
such a you know what. It seems that they don't
know Spanish either, right or do they? It seems I
think they know it a little bit, like a tiny amount. Yeah, well,
I think they know more Spanish. But she refuses to
tea Spanish because he said, the younger one is communicating
with all the merchants and stuff. Okay, so, okay, so
they know Spanish just in pace. Maybe they're having a
harder time because they speak way less Spanish, but no,
they're You're right, because Luna is chatting with everyone. Yeah, okay,
so she's just been sixteen and very bratty. I don't
know happened. It happens, Yeah, it really does. So we
learned that they're there because of you know, her work.
You said, doesn't want to be there. Luna is having
a great time learning, absorbing, like a little curious child
that she I thought she was younger from the description.
I guess that's part of her character, though she acts
like a lot more naive than yeah, than her age.
I guess. Yeah, very year olds are young children, but
she gives off like eight year old vibes. I thought
she was eighty if I if I hadn't if they
hadn't said her age then and there, and I just
went out the description of her and what she does
throughout the book. I would have until she goes to
middle school and you're like, what, yes, yeah, but then
at that point we'll get into it. Yeah. So we
learned their father isn't involved in their life, and that
Alma Carmen's mother, their grandmother, usually watches them. But she's
getting old. She's seventy now, and so she she still works,
so she still up and go to Mexico either that too,
and and it'd be hard for her to leave the
daughters all summer with her mom alone, right right, Although
to me it sounds doable because they're older, they're not.
I think it was doable too. I think they could
have stayed home because but I think part of Carmen, Yeah,
part of Carmen really wanted them to want experience. Yeah. Yeah,
So it was a lot of things mixed together. She
wanted her mom to rest, she wanted to show them
her the culture. Yeah, the motherland as they say, what
is it in Spanish? Lad Patria? Yeah, and Luna Andell
hated it. Yeah, she really did too. Is Sail is
an older one, Luna, it's a younger one. Yes, I know,
but I'm going to keep doing it. I know it.
And Carmen is there because she's restoring the old abbey.
Immediately when I saw Abby, I'm like, all right, well
this is the abby. This is the abbey from the prologue.
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know we the
friar that beat that boy to death is in the
abbey walking to his room where he gets killed and
you know, gets Sally's there, that's where she runs away from. Yeah. Yeah,
So immediately when I saw Abby and Abby, I'm like,
this is the same abbey. It's like a building, church building. Yeah.
And Carmen, even as they're walking through this little market,
Carmen is questioning bringing them because of a sales attitude,
but also the dangers of Mexico. It's not a safe
place for women, yeah, especially with you know, the rise
of infemicides that have been happening over the years. That
they touch on that as well throughout the book. And
so while they're in this market, Carmen is in her
head just thinking all these things. They run into some pignatas,
like someone's selling Pinatas, and then is a Lunary said,
who's like, do you even have a license to Sally's.
I'm like, you're at the fucking shut up it's he said, obviously.
They said, yeah, like who cares? It's not like do
they not have burgas in New York too? You've never
been to like, I know, you've seen the bootleg pinatas
and the bootleg CDIs and the bootleg movies. Like, stop,
it's never like us in New York? Do they Happeniata's?
Actually I don't know yas. I'm just saying that. Someone
tell us, Yeah, I've never been to a plea me neither.
I have always seen them in shows, and well, this
looks cooler than the little corner stores we have. It's
like a deli and like a corner store together. Yeah yeah,
like a liquor store. Yeah. So yeah, I was like,
you said stop it. Yeah. And while they're at the
at the piata stand, Carmen reminds the girls they have
a birthday party to go to. He said, it is
like I didn't want to go, and Lunas excited, and
Carmen needs and wants to go because she needs to
socialize and try and get along with her employees. Yeah,
they don't like her, no one, because they don't see
her as Mexican. And I forgot it was Carmen born
in Mexico and then taken to the US. Yeah, yeah,
so she is Mexican. But after you spend so much
time out of there, you know it's not the same,
not anymore. Yeah, especially when you're taken as a child.
They don't consider new Mexican in Mexico anymore American. A
lot a lot going on in this book, A lot
that makes you think, because you know, here you get
a mix of like the different types of Mexicans. Like
you get Carmen who was taken as a child and
raised in the US, but like she is actually Mexican.
Her mom left Mexico but is Mexican. She's not on
this trip with them. The girls are Mexican American, but
really more American than anything. And they're in Mexico for
the first time, and it almost seems like she didn't
really teach them anything about Mexico or the trip, so
like they wouldn't have been excited if they had never
been exposed to the culture beforehand. So then so now
you got these kids. Yeah, so yeah, just a lot,
a lot going on here, and so yeah, they see
Carmen as an outside and then on top of that,
she's a woman, and so they respect her even less
as the person running this project at the abbey. No
boss girls over here over there. Later they get to
the party. I'm like, again, I'm condensing a little bit,
so I'm just giving some parts. So now they're at
the party at the foreman's house. Juaquin who especially doesn't
respect Carmen, he hates her. Yeah, when he when she
gets there, he's like, oh, I didn't think you'd come.
And she's like, well, you invited me. Oh, but I
didn't think you would come. I can already imagine like
Nony who maybe does just see like the politeness behind this. Yeah,
So Luna Nicelle go off with the rest of the
kids while Carmen sits with father Veron, who is her
contact at the church. So not the boss, but he
is the boss, the point person. Yeah, be a point person,
and he introduces her to quietly. Immediately, I was like, love, love,
He's my favorite until you see Kim along until Yorsey
then I mean Yorty, and I'm like, uh, I love Yorty.
I feel like in this situation, I would always be
asking myself what w w oh my gosh, yeah yeah,
what would do? Yeah? Okay, Sony back to Quney Sole
is an indigenous man who also works in the abbey
restoring carvings on rocks. While they're talking, Luna wanders off
and she wrote into another girl and the girl's name.
Upon first read, I missed this really yeah, and I
read it it Because I read this, I sort of
read it twice because I was switching back and forth
between the audiobook and the book. I get forgetting where
I was. I listened to the audio book after I
finished it. Okay, okay, the audiobook is also it was
a great experience I had. Agree. Yeah, I feel like
reading it both ways. I feel like it's the best
way to go to me. Yeah, I did like the
audiobook because then you get to hear the not what words,
the pronunciation especially that's especially and also just a person
reading it. This such an amazing job, especially with the
parts of later on where we transitable words. Yes, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. So yeah. Both ways were great to listen to.
But also I think if you don't know what you're
looking at you might not know how to read these names.
I did, Yeah, we do, and I think a lot
of our listeners will. But I was listening to another podcast,
Why am I listening to this? And they're like, I
couldn't even conceptualize how to read the names, and I'm like, really,
I mean you could have looked it up too, But
also like like, Q it's to me, I think because
we're reading it in Spanish though, but even in English,
I feel like for me that would have been like, actually, no,
it's because you're right. They would have been like quarterly, quarterly.
What they say I forgot, you'll see, I don't know
what they say. Yeah, they keep saying it wrong. Yeah,
so us. I think in anyone who has heard things
in Spanish, you see these names. But I think the
auto I was gonna say, I will say when in
the Naula, when she's doing her like chant or curse
whatever it is a song also that they sing. I
didn't know how to pronounce an all and am song. Guy.
I listened to the audiobook. Yeah, and it's also and
you're listening to it and they're saying it, and I
almost felt enchanted. I was like yeah, it was completing.
Take me, yeah, take me, yeah, it was. It was
like I recommend this an audiobook for sure. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, so sorry. I don't know how this started
so either. Oh the name Kit Sally, yes, so yeah.
When I first listened, I didn't realize it was the
same girl that they said Kat Sally is the trouble
maker and she runs off the sister the brother in
the prologue. I didn't. I didn't make the connection the
first time. I did the same thing, but with the Abby,
I didn't put twenty together that it was the same Abby.
But with Kit Sally, I'm like, oh, this is get Sally. Yeah,
okat Sali girls back. Yeah. So Luna runs runs into
another girl at the party who introduces herself as KT Sally,
and Kit Sally offers Luna to show her around. They're
gonna play hide and seek the best hiding spots in
the house. Yes, yea, and Luna is very happy. She's like, yeah,
I would love that. So Luna follows the little girl
to the best hiding spot, an old shed and this
part's fucking creepy. Thirty seven. Yes, Luna is following her,
and Kasani tells her it's just some old shed. Come on,
there's a really good hiding place under some of the
old shelves in here. Luna stepped forward and felt the
change on temperature. The shed seemed to be an emanating, cool,
damp air that sent a shiver across Luna's skin as
she edged forward to the small opening of the shed doors.
When Luna placed a hand on the side of the
door and slipped in, an unpleasant chill came over her body.
It felt as if she slid through some unseen membrane
at the opening that spread within the shed. Her eyes
did not ad just within the limitless dark, she heard
Katsani's voice utter the words We've been waiting for you
to arrite for so long. That was so scary. Oh
when I read that, I was like, it's like my
heart dropped. What do you mean? We so yeah, horrifying,
very very and just the again, the imagery, the words
like the membrane of the shed, like, what do you
mean memorane? What do you mean? Yeah? Beautiful, beautifully written truly,
And then Luna runs out away after all this happens,
she runs back out, but then she forgets immediately. Yeah,
but it's part of the haunting. It's like it because
she's like the dumb kid, my child. He would have forgotten.
I would have forgotten. Probably me too, because I am
like my child and he is like me. That makes sense. Yeah,
I literally would have forgotten. But her, it's the part
of the hunting that she doesn't because she her first
intentions to go tell her mom what happened. Yeah, then
she forgets. Yeah, so she's running and then she runs
into her mom, who tells her, Hey, I've been looking
for you. It's time to break the pignata. And the
kids are doing that. They're breaking a little pata. And
it's fun because you can see the words we all
seeing as children, so fun, so fun as we say it,
that pan as we said it was zero motion, yeah,
and they we're like, so fun, so fucking dumb. The
adults are having some deep as conversations about the pat
I'm just gonna read that quote really quick as well,
because yes, oh I loved it. And then father terons
like I knew you to would get along. I knew
you would have some deep ass convos. So Quatly and Carmen,
who are having this conversation. Actually, I think it's no, no,
it is no. No, that bitch is dumb. Yeah, my
bad doesn't like her. He would never have this conversation
with her. Yeah, he would never talk to her so quietly.
Is the one who says this. I think. I think
what we like them about kids hitting the pinata is
watching them transform into little monsters. How they enjoy breaking
something into pieces. They're in a fit of laughter but
also brimming with violence. The pignata is a cathartic thing
for kids, It really is. I kind of do remember
that feeling from being a kid. Yeah, and like you're
just hitting the sting again and again it breaks and
you're laughing, but you're beating something up. Yeah, good times.
And even now it's still fun hitting pinata as we
for our birthday. And then, actually, Carmen's what she says
back is also a little deep, but it also pretentious.
According to her, I thought it was fine, but she says,
now that you mention it, it's true. Precisely. What makes
this tradition a little disturbing is that it's staging the
loss of innocence. And then I thought about it and
I was like, no, that is pretentious. How was this
staging the loss of innocence. You're hitting up Pyatta. I
like what Quietly said better me too. Ten out of
ten for him, five out of ten for her. Yeah,
I would agree. Oh sorry, one more thing quite because
then Quietly replies, and his reply is also better. But
I'm starting to think I just like what these much better.
He says. It's a strange thing, even perfers to make
children break something pretty to eat its entrails. Yeah, I mean,
I do not want to hear about entrails ever again
after this book. No. I enjoyed it, but I don't
want to read about them anyway. I do not. I
do not want to think about enjoying the Yeah, like please, no, Yeah,
I'm gonna next time. We're feeling a pianta, I'm like,
have you finished feeling its entrails? Oh my god? Yes, yeah,
try to remember that. Yeah. We leave the party in
chapter four and meet yort Sya finally my fav queen.
She's walking in the market behind the Sanchez family, but
she doesn't know it at the time, but she sees
Luda and she consents there's something different about her. Something's
off here, Yeah, something that puts her in profound danger
and it's like a spiritual type of danger. And we
also learned your sea is indigenous. She she speaks not
what she's one of the She comes from one of
the oldest families in the area as well as Quatly,
and she says, you know, they go way back. She
has the ability to see the inside of other people,
so like what they're made of, who you are, like
their aura sort of their aura, yeah, which is also
like it's a gift, but it's also a curse. Yeah,
And she says, like, how can I even fall in
love with Like she knows everything about them, Like part
of the beauty of love is getting to know the person.
She already knows everything as soon as she sees you.
So yeah, a gift done a curse. And she's like,
you know, we're following her along the market. She's taking
all these things to herself. She gets dizzy and almost faints,
which causes Luna to turn around and see her. But
then Yorty kind of hides in the crowd and hangs
back and keeps following them, and that's when she sees
them say hi to quietly, and so she's like, oh,
they know quietly, this is my chance. So she goes
to Quatly and tells them like she wants him to
introduce her to the Carmen and quietly is like why
immediately yeah, whye. Georgy tells him it's she's in danger.
Her heart is exposed, and he's like, how how do
you mean house sway explica now, so your seat tells
him like, well, do you know about the And we
have talked about them a little bit on as book
tells Suso also has a great episode on them. But
they're basically the these goddesses that come down from the
descend from the sky at the end of the world,
at the end of the fifth world, and this is
the fifth world right now that we're in. They're also
they come from women who die at birth become c
miss and they're like these warriors, but also they're gonna
come at the end of the world and like destroy everything.
They come with the apocalypse basically, so they're warriors but
also deadly and scary bringers of the apocalypse. Yeah. Yeah,
he's like I really know these stories. He's I'm like
you I know this already. We were raised basically together
kind of yeah, and so quietly is hesitant because he
believes your see. He doesn't doubt your see. But he's like,
he's like, how do you tell this to Americans? Basically Americans?
You know exactly what he says, Yeah, they're strangers and
Americans like, they don't know, they don't understand the ways
of yah ways, they don't know, they don't believe. And
she starts speaking naw, and I'm gonna attempt to read it,
but I didn't listen. Again, this is she's singing, right,
she's singing it, yeah, And this is she's singing the
same part. I would need to listen to it again
to know how to pronounce it. Yeah, and I did
a while ago, but not today. So she's saying yehwa
chiki yahwa ipan pampa niets la pampas And that could
have been a little wrong, but it was also like
semi right. Some parts were off, though, but basically that's
what she's saying again and again quietly shakes her out
of her trance, and he's like, what song was that?
It sounds a little familiar, and she's like, I was singing.
She's like, what song? But still he was still hesitating
in introducing them. So Georgsey doesn't wait for him to
make introductions. She goes down to the abbey and boy
does it go wrong. She's like, I'm from City Hall.
And then Carmen's like, what do you want? She's like,
fuck city Hall. Fuck, I've dealt with you fuckers for
too long. I can't give any more money. Fuck off. Yeah,
and then when Georgsey starts trying to explain, like, oh,
your daughter might be in danger, She's like, are you
threatening me? Yeah? Honestly, coming really annoyed me here, and
I understand why she reacted the way that she did.
Give you and see a chance man like meets no harm. Yeah, Like,
I get it from Karmen's point of view because she
has seen the hostelites. She doesn't believe these things. So yeah,
but it's like me, if at this moment, even in
that situation, Yorty came to me and said, your child
believe How what do I need to do? Help me?
It's it's like when we go to Mexico and whatever
THEIA says you need to do this, when we're leaving
the cemetery, I'm like doing it. I'm doing it. I'm
gonna do it. I don't care. And yeah, I did it.
And if they tell me you need to walk in
circles before you enter this building, I'm doing it. I
don't care me too. It's like she has zero respect
for the beliefs of your sea. But I understand she's afraid,
and people react this way when they're afraid, you know.
So yeah, I get At the same time, I get it,
but I'm also annoyed. Yeah, because she's immediately under defensive.
She's like she doesn't want to listen to any she's
already stressed out too, so like I get it, Yeah,
I get it. Tries to say no, it's like, it's
not like that, it's spiritual, and she's like, this is nonsense. Also,
your tea is giving off weird vibes because while she's
in the office of Carmen, she sees like spirits or
something like everywhere, and so she's looking around, lancing around,
so she kind of looks a little bit crazy. Carmon
in us like sketchy ass behavior, which makes sense, it does. Yeah,
but it's your sea, you seeless yeah yeah, and we
love her, but Karmen doesn't know it yet. Yeah. Also,
Yorty doesn't know why she's seen so many spirits because
she sees them sometimes, but I think Carmen's office is
the first place she sees a ton of them. At
the same time, she's like, what the hell is happening.
She's also like whoa, yeah, because she's not used to
seeing this many. She even says when we first meet her, like,
I see them sometimes sometimes spirits present themselves to me,
but not all the time. So yeah, this is We're
on both their ends honestly. Yea, but still believe your
syst believe your always believe your tea, always always believe
your sea, and yeah, karma goes on Mama bear. Yersey
has no choice but to run out of there, and
she runs. She gets to the plaza and she's like, damn,
I messed that up. As she drinks not coca. She's
got to calm the nerves, so yes, yeah, nothing better
than a cook for that. Yeah. Carmen calls her daughters
just to check on them after Yorty leaves, and they're okay,
and then she's like, I gotta go. That was so weird.
I've had enough of today, Like I'm done, and she
gathers her things and walks out of the office. When
she runs into Quietly. Yorty did say, I know quietly
before she before she told Karmen all of this, so
now she's suspicious of quietly out zone. So now she
runs into Quietly and she's like, who the hell did
you send to me? He's like what and he's like, oh, no,
you mean yalty, Oh Yorty. She means no harm. Yeah,
and that's what he told her. She means no harm.
She's just spiritual. She believes that the old nahuaweis. Carmen's like, okay,
but she had no right to try and scare me
with all these legends, like these old legends, and he's like, no,
she didn't mean it that way. After sent back and
forth like this, Karmen agrees to hear Yorty out, so
her and Quaetly are going to go over to their
house later to talk about this what Yorty wanted to
say that Carmen didn't want to hear. So same time,
you see he's walking around the plaza and then like
the skies go dark and it's filled with butterflies, very scary.
She closes her eyes because she's getting like all these
like sensations, you know, dizziness at the same time. So
she closes her eyes and she starts repeating those same
words that she had been saying to quietly, the same
not what it's like a song, it's a song. Yeah,
So she starts like singing these words again, and she
doesn't know what she's saying, but she thinks it's the
same phrase. When she opens her eyes, there's a man
holding his face and he's bleeding. I didn't quite under
what happened to him. Was it the butterflies? Yeah, the
butterflies like a tax his face kind of, And then
it's like, uh, he thinks he gouged his eyes out,
but they're just cut, like I think. She sees it
initially like worse than it is, but then like yeah,
she comes back to reality. Then she realizes like, yeah,
he's bleeding, but he's probably not, as he's not as
bad as she thought first. Right, Okay, that makes so
much more sense. So she walks him over to the hospital.
And then she's walking back home after that, confused, scared,
and she's like I don't know what's going on, but
whatever this is, it's happening way too fast. Then Karmen
gets home, the door's open, both girls are like, we
didn't leave it open, and we swear. She's like, why
is that door open? She keeps asking them. They're like, damn, chill,
We're like, what's going not a big deal, calm down,
she'll out yeah. So she she's nervous, but she drops it.
Then they're eating dinner and she asks them again, like,
I know you said the door was closed, but like,
you can tell me anything. You could tell me, but
did you guys see anything weird? And he said is
like no, and then Luna's like, oh, that's that old lady.
Do you mean that old lady that just walks around
and waves around weird waves. She's like, why didn't you
tell me about her before? I thought it was fine? Yeah?
I thought she was just saying hi. She just walks
by every single day, making the weird same hand motions
that it's not exactly high, but I thought it was high.
It was dying during that part, and Carmen's like, does
she say anything? Does she do anything? And Luna's like, no,
she just waves funny and walks by. He said, It's like, wow, mom,
you're really gonna worry about the old lady And they
should have and they all should have worried. Carmen drops
it again. She's like, fine, fine, whatever, it's not a
big deal. She's washing dishes after dinner and she's like
again contemplating, overthinking why am I here? That I make
a mistake? My daughters say to here, like just overthinking life.
Every church she's made up to that day broke me
out of my and then me know she's doing this
when she notices a bracelet. It's woven and old and
it has six green stones. Carmen's like, what is this
doing here? She asks the girls if they know what
it came from, and then fucking Luna is like, it
looks like that old ladies, but they don't know how
it got there. So again Carmen drops it. But then
in bed she's like, okay, this is a sign I
see this weird bracelet. Luna mentions the old lady Yorte
came to me with her weird shit. Yeah again, more
self doubt, more wondering why am I here? Questioning every
life choice. Off to that, ruminating ruminating a lot. Yeah.
Then she's at work. It gets worse. They get the
wrong supplies. It turns out that fucking quacking the foreman
order them on purpose. Yeah, he's trying to pocket to
money for himself and cut corners and pocket the money
that he saves from cutting corners. And she's like, bitch,
you better stop. Yeah, you better get the supplies that
I wanted. Everyone loses more respect for her in this
moment because they're like, this is just how we do
things here. Like, yeah, she's not wrong here, but also
I don't know when in Rome. Yeah, I feel like
she's holding on, like she's trying to hold onto too
much power. And sometimes you have to have a little
bit of cultural humility. And I understand not wanting to,
you know, because feminism, but sometimes you gotta. You gotta
adapt to where you're at. Yeah. Even father Vedon is like,
that's just how they do things down here. Yeah. She's like,
if you want to get that involved, okay, that's on you.
But he's like, I dadavit against it and yeah, and
she doubles down. Yeah, And I get both sides. I
get She's like, yeah you saw me, he got that
said yeah, not just but dad yeah too. Yeah, And
they're like my head, you see them like I said, yeah, no,
no way, So yeah, I see both science. I would
have Honestly, I don't think this is something I would
have to put down and be like, I'm just gonna
do my job and go home, that's it. Yeah. Also,
I just don't care enough. I'll just say. But she's
like a go getter. She is ambitious response, you know,
I feel like me, like four years ago, that would
have been me. Now just just I'm just just there. Yeah,
And like me, I'm like, all right, if that's what
you want to do. But when something goes wrong, it's
gonna go wrong. And like maybe they're not trying to
blame me like I told yeah with them. Yeah that's me.
But I get it because at the same time, this
is such an important project. It's restoring this old building,
but also it's restoring it not for it's gonna turn
into like a what boutique hotel something like that. Yeah,
So I don't know. Yeah, I have no respect for
the church anyway, so i'd be like, whatever you doing
you want, Yeah, exactly true. That's a fucking place for
all I care. Let it burn, burn it. Yeah. Well,
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So so even yeah, like I said, even father Vidon
tells her like, maybe chill a little bit. She's like,
you don't tell me and what to do? She would
gets into it with him and I'm like, oh my god,
he's like whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just trying to keep
the peace here. So you know, it's already it's already
a bad day. Worsh Then she leaves home and she's
met with a sense attitude. Dude, Yeah, which is best.
It's annoying. It happens, So it happens. It happens. Yeah,
she didn't want to come, so, you know, she wanted
to be with her white friends in New York. And
every time, like Excel is being mean to her, she's like,
you know, I can't follow her for that because I
was the worst daughter. So at least she's not out
there running the streets. She's just being mean to me. Yeah,
and she does literally say that every single time. I'm like,
by the fourth time, I'm like, I don't think we
need to hear this again. We kind of get it. Yeah, yeah,
that little that's who Gorman is. She overthinks everything that's true,
that that, and then but at the same time, not enough.
She overthinks things about herself. Yeah, the wrong things really,
So she brushes it off because Georgy and Quietly are
coming over. And first they come over, they teach Luna
who wants to know and he said doesn't care. But
she does manage to have conversation with them, like she
that's true. She does. Yeah, yeah, she gets a little
bit more. She's a little more engaged than normal. They
tell her about the history and their culture and it's fascinating,
it's a fun read. And so then they're like, all right,
we got to get to business. So they dismissed. The
girls are like, you gotta go, we gotta talk about
all stuff. Georgy is trying to explain things to Carmen,
the spiritual things. Carmen is dismissive, like, oh, what if
it's your imagination? But also this bracelet showed up and
like Luna's mention an old lady, but she still doesn't
believe Yzy like plea see annoying? Like so's she wanted
to annoy them here and then not believe anything they
have to say, what was the point of this? Yeah,
and it's like where do you think this bracelet came from?
The door was open when you got here. This old
lady's passing by the same time, same day, making weird movements.
Please immediately I would have been like if I didn't
listen to Yortsey when she came to my office the
first time after Gardman is still dismissive to what you're suggesting,
when she should not be because of everything else that
has happened. Yeah, too many weird things going on, but no,
she isn't listening. Yorty tells her like, what if this
old lady only appears to be an old lady and
it actually is not an old lady? Which I would
have been like tell me more, please, and Carmen was like,
I'm more concerned with that, leaving, Like, shut the fuck up,
Carmen and listen to Yortsey for real, and then whatever,
Yorty and Quad leave. It didn't go as well as
Yortsey wanted. The next week, at work, while Carmen is
in her office, she gets a call from me Sel,
who tells her they got bored and then walking over
and they're almost there. This freaks carmenal because she's like,
dad one them walking around Mexico, it's so dangerous. I
don't think they're that far from her work, though, I
think it's I think they're pretty close. But you know
how she is or she's ruminating on the wrong things. Yeah,
she should be worried about that old lady. So she
freaks out. She runs out and is calling and calling
and calling again. They're not answering. She thinks she is
he sail walking in the street, and Luna isn't with her,
so she's calling and calling and running after what she thinks,
as he said, when she gets closer, it's nai Cel.
It's the old lady, so creepy. As soon as that happened,
I would have speed dial your tea, you know, I
would have ran to the plaza to find your sea bell,
would have hunted down Qualeine. I'd be like, call, you'll
see right now, call her. I would have been running
up and down the streets, yelling quietly and you'll see
again and again. And so one of them answer yeah, yeah,
but no the old lady. Okay, So Carmen's getting closer.
The old lady grow grows louder and louder. She's like
chanting something that Carmen can't understand. Karmen is yelling for
Luna and Issel and she the old Lady's still there,
so she's she turns around and yells the old lady,
who the hell are you? What do you want? The
old lady tells her she's looking for her daughter. Yeah,
and Karmen is like, who is your daughter? And then
the old lady moves closer and she's chanting something that
Carmen can't understand. She gets dizzy and light headed. The
whole time this old Lady's engine closer and closer. It
looks like something is growing out of her chest, out
of her shawl. It looks like something's protruding out and
it's getting bigger. And as that's happening, Carmen is closing
her eyes, like covering them with her hand. She's trying
to keep her balance. Suddenly it feels like she can't
feel the sun anymore, the warmth of the sun, so
the temperature drops, and she's like swiping on her phone,
trying to answer because now it seems like one of
them is calling her back. He said, I suppose she's
the one with the phone because she's older. So she's
she answers the phone and it's he sail. Then Carmen,
she's pulled out of whatever's going on and she's back
in reality now, and she's like, where the hell are
you guys, and Exall is like, chillow, we turned around
to go get Luna's sketch. Bug calmed down and Carmen
dismisses this as like some hallucination. She's just dressed She's like,
I'm so stressed out. I'm having hallucinations and I'm like,
oh my god, how do you write everything off? Like yeah,
she's brushing off the undo. Some people do this. So
that's true, that's true. The Nile is strong, it is. Yeah,
what is that thing that went around to Tech for
a while? Then the Nile is the river in Nidrum.
Oh it's Wendy Williams. Somebody called her life. Yeah, yeah,
I remember that. The Nile is a river in Egypt.
Your husband is I don't know what she says, Yeah, yeah,
that's Carmen. So she's like whatever. Uh. She just walks
the girls inside her office they were into quietly. Who
gives something to Carmen like a little eagle warrior type thing.
I don't know, Stone, I don't remember. Anyway, the girl
stay in the office Quietly is there to show her
the work she's been he's been doing at the abbey.
The foreman and Juaquin is supposed to be there, but
he's not there because he doesn't give a fuck about
like he just does whatever he wants, like this man
for real? Yeah, seriously, So the girl stay in the office,
Quetlye and Carmen are walking around and that's when they
hear in a big crash and so a structure had
come down and it revealed another room in the abbey
that's not in the blueprints. Carmen is like, oh my god,
we got to call like the Deparminent of Anthropology and
History at the university, We call UNESCO and all that. Yeah, everything,
and Father is like, that's gonna takes necessary. Do we
really need to do that? Everything inside this room is
the church is anyway, like it's probably about garbage, but
it's old sacred things like please, yeah, he doesn't want
to do that. It could take it could halt the
construction for months months. And as they're discussing what to do,
Luna is digging around and there you can hear like
the clinking sounds of her beinach mosa and she finds
the pieces of a broken pot. She asks what it is.
Quati tells her that it is at a pignata. And
I'm gonna read this part from page one eleven. It's
shortly replied, quietly, what is that a pinnata for children
to break? Not exactly, it's a sacrifice, an offer klama
Nalitzi is evaluable. I've never seen one like this. It's rare,
but I don't know if it's valuable. Then Father ViOn,
this is the property of the church. I'll have to
speak to my superiors. And then quietly, you think everything
belongs to you. But you know, as we know, because
we've read the prologue. Yep, could this be the same one?
I think so, yeah, because this is the same Abby.
And yes, Talie is that same girl, and so this
has to be the same Piata. And I don't think
anyone or no do they do they let Luna take it? No,
she sneaks in and takes it. They can't do it, no, okay,
So he planning to steal it up again and just
leave everything how it is, and even quietly says like
that's better off. They're better off doing that, because he's like,
somethings are better off far away from people to reach,
because I think he knows what this could mean in
the wrong hands. And they agree to seal it off.
But before they seal it off, Luna sneaks in there
and takes it. Yeah, yes, okay, that's what's happening, all right.
Once they're back home having dinner, the girls are like,
are we gonna get sent back home? And at first
Karmen's like, no, you know, don't worry. We don't know
what's happening yet. But that's exactly what happens. She's fired. Yeah,
she's blamed for this, and I feel like Quaquin has
something to do with this because he wasn't there. Yeah, yeah,
like he Savostaur is something. But also I don't think
anyone knew about the room either. No, but we know
from the prologue that's something horrible happened in that And
I feel like, not secretly, but like on a deeper level,
quietly knows something horrible happened in that room. Yeah. And
maybe because of all the things yor Sey has been
telling them too, I think that's why he wanted to
just be so love instead. Yeah, And honestly, after this,
it's like things weird, things keep happening in the escalating manner. Yes, yeah,
creempy scary visions, apparitions, yes, hauntings, yes, including to yort See.
She's seeing things too, now, more things, and she's like,
this isn't normal. Something that's happening, and I have to
think that the room being open now is what made
it worse, the PGATA being taken the yes, yeah. Yeah.
So they go go back to New York. But the
airport that was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So they already kind
of sense Luna being a little like she doesn't want
anyone to see the things she's drying, not being her
normal self, her normal cheerful self. Yeah. And it's like
I get that she's eleven, but also the drastic of
a change in this little time should be ringing bells. Yeah,
and he said, seems to be the only one concerned. Yeah, well,
I feel like Carman notices it. But she's like, well,
she didn't want to leave Mexico so soon, and you
know what I mean. So she's like excusing it. Yeah,
she brushes it off, like everything else she's been brushing off.
She makes excuses. But the airport part was crazy. So
they're at the airport and they're trying to get through
security and they open up luna suit case and there's
a bunch of crickets. Yeah, but the ones you eat,
the ones do you eat? Yeah? And you're supposed to
be able to take those that's food, right, Yeah? I
think so, I don't know. I hate taking anything because
they pull you aside, they look into her shit, and
I get so anxious and I got I was so
mad at our mom. Once we brought Hello cheese back
and I was like, I don't want to bring the cheese.
They're gonna like tell us something. I was stressful. I
brought a hit time with me, like one thing happens,
but just thought it stresses me out. Yeah, no, I
get you, I get you. Yeah. So they get pulled
apart aside and they throw away her crickets because it's
like they don't want food to go through. I think
because it's a carry on though not I think because
they're Chappolinas. They're like animals, so they're trying to say
these are animals, and then they're like, okay, yes, technically
they're animals, but they're for food. They're dead, they're gonna
be yeah yeah. And so then Luna starts like eating
them by the handful because she's in a very disgusting manner. Yes, yeah,
like when eat the respectfully when at a time, But
she's mad, and so she's like, yeah, Karma doesn't even
know what to do because normally she doesn't even have
to parent these kids that much because they're just ChIL kids. Yeah,
like they have their little attitude. But you know what,
he says, I didn't want to be there, And at
least she's not as crazy as she was of you know,
the same thing she says again and again. Yeah, and
she she's very Yeah, she doesn't have to do much
with either of them. She works a lot, so it's
like this is and then she's never been in the situation,
especially with Luyash who's acting like a weirdo, and that
weirdo behavior just continues. Then they get on the airplane
and she starts like beating the ship out of his
sad like and Karma's like, what the fuck is going
on right now? Like you guys don't act like this,
like what's happening? And he said, it's like it's not me. Yeah.
And then after she's done being the shadout of a sand,
she's standing there staring off into the distance like a weirdo.
That should have been like the first sign like something's
not right. Actually, sorry, this is like the tenth sign.
There's a lot of sign. She's already I seen a
little weird Yeah. At this moment, we as a reader
is like, all right, she's possessed. Yeah, it's getting weird. Yeah,
it's getting worse. And then back in New York, she
just escalates even more. Luna spends it all day with
her door closed. Whence Karmen goes back to work that
they're back in New York and Mo the mom is
there watching them, and she's mean as fuck to the
g to her little grandma, to Adma, and I'm was like,
this is weird. She's like, she doesn't act this. But
then we know how where Carmen gets her her laid
back attitude from, because Alma's like, well, she just got
back from Mexico. She's upset. I'm just going to give
her space, and yeah, that's like the respectable thing to do.
Like I know the mom would have like knocked her
door down and been like, you don't get any space.
You need to tell me what space in house, meaning
there's space in Mexican. But I don't think it's a
wrong approach. I think it makes sense in the position
that they're in. Yeah, but here they would have they
should have been a little more aggressive because she was
in the middle of a haunting of a possession. But
they didn't know that. No, they didn't know that we
have more information than them, but Carmen, No, no, no,
Carmen should have known because of all the bracelet, the
door we made, seeing the same old lady, and then
sees that they're protruding out of that chest of the
old lady. And also they see she doesn't see the
old lady at the airport, but he said sees her, Yeah,
and he said, hadn't seen her as much as Luna. Yeah, yeah,
but it's the same person. She knows it's the same person.
She's like, did she follow us from Mexico the funk? Yeah,
And I would have told my mom, So yeah, there
should have been she had been a little more obvious
at this point. But she's like a dad. But that
there's no story without that, No, So I'm fine with it.
But also I understand the class understand Carmen being like
this because when she's not a spiritual person, she's disconnected
from me culture, so she's even less spiritual. Not that
all Mexicans are, but like the majority, like I mean,
last our listeners, we may not go to church, we
all believe, yeah that our fought like exact exactly, and
Carmen didn't grow up that way her did not fight,
and so she doesn't believe this, or if she did,
she just doesn't know about it. Yeah. Yeah, so I
understand at the same time why Carmen is so hesitant
about everything. So at the same time I get it,
But at the same time, there were so many signs. So, yeah,
the airport is weird. At home, it gets weirder. Luna
is weirder. Yeah, are we skipping forward to the stairs
or what? Yes, that's exactly where I was heading. Do
you want to talk about that party you want to
take over? Well, okay, Luna's been a weirdo. She's been
a weirdo right since they get back from Mexico. I
don't know. I don't even think it's been a fucking day.
I think it's been only a day. Yeah, Like, it
hasn't been long. Yeah, it's either been one day or
a few days. And Alma knocks at her door because
Luna's been ignoring her all day, which is not typical
of Luna to do, but whatever. You know, she has
a lot of emotions, so she needs space. At one point,
Alma hears weird noises, like like something moving up in
her room. Yeah, like like something's being dragged, like just
to me, a lot of dumping. Yeah, not normal. And
so she I think she knocks. I don't remember exactly
what happens. Point is, she knocks, but either either she
knocks or decides to not knock, get not alone. And
then she's like going back, you know, heading back down
to the stairs because she's like, okay, whatever, and she
hears a cricket. She sees a cricket. Yeah, she sees
a cricket in the stairs, a giant cricket. And honestly,
I could not as I was reading this book, is
it a cricket or a locust locus? I'm not sure
does but they say cricket, don't they big cricket? Oh
you know what Yeah, just a big cricket. Yeah yeah, yeah,
you're right, you're right. So as I was reading this,
every time I close my eyes, I would see an
ugly ass cricket, Like I was like, yeah, anyway, she
sees the cricket, and the what comes out of the
cricket more crickets. I don't know. It's like at meane
or I can't pronounce that, Oh my god, the meme. Yes,
the something comes out because she's like I saw. Later on,
when she tells Carmen about it, she's like, I saw
death herself. So isn't it the goddess? It's yeah, it
is the ct Yeah. So she sees a TC me, man,
doesn't it say something? I'm trying to find the page now.
But okay, hold on, it's about to happen. Okay, is said,
leaves the house because she's gonna go with her boyfriend.
Her boyfriend that she was texting on Mexico and there's
a good about the thumb Natti here al I was like,
what is she doing and he said, is like, no clue.
But I heard her last sign too, and so then
she's like leaving the house and then oh she opens
the door. Yeah, she opens her She's like, what do
you want? You didn't need to knock, so fucking rude, dude.
I will never tell my grandma that. Mm hmm whatever.
She doesn't want to talk about anything. So then Ama
leaves and she sees the pignana right, and she's like,
what is that? And then she's like, I don't want
to talk about it. Let's see she steps out of
the room. Yeah, she steps out of the room. She's
walking down the stairs and she hears a sound. Yeah,
she sees oh, I said, cricket, it's a grasshopper. Grasshopper.
That's when she saw a large green grasshopper. And then
I don't know if it's like coming out of it,
but she's says yeah. There was a skeleton with the
insect like wings addressed to the nines and golden and
gemstone jewelry floating over the stairs. Its skirt was made
of seashells musically clinking against each other. Oh, I thought
it does something about it doesn't say anything. She just
sees it. She's terrified, of course, so that she falls
down the stairs and presumably she screams. But who does nothing?
Fucking Luna does not the little fucking monster. It's not
her though, it's uh yeah over her. Yeah yeah. And
then Carmen is like, why did you call you? I
felt so bad? I was like kind of funny. She's like,
I'm no mad at you are, just you know how
to call for nine one? What? Why didn't you call? Little?
Was like whatever, I just say a here my row
imagine shining Grandma's bleeding out from her fucking bottle. Dump
after dump after your ship. God. Oh, my god, but
this is not Luna. She's not being herself. She's not herself,
and she feels bad about everything at the end. But again,
it's not her fault. It's not her fault. She was possessed.
Oh my god, that was hilarious. Okay, we need a
fast forward an hour fast forward. Ship happened, A bunch
of shit happens on me. In the hospital, Carmen is distraught.
She sees the old lady on the train. At some point,
she gets worse. Luna starts acting up in school. She
guts picking on her. Right, these guys are picking on her.
They're horrible. I'm like, what kind of old ass high
schooler is bully? A middle middle middle schooler like tweaking
weird In the same place, she's crying, tears are coming
out of her last Yeah, I guess it must be
like a joint middle and high school. That's whine. Yeah,
I think you're right. At one point, she gets into
an argument with her teacher about conversation. I don't want
to hear about it. She's right, No, she was not wrong.
She was spitting backs, ye, straight backs. If I had
folded the page, I would read the part. But basically
my teacher teaching the wrong history. Luna was like, why
are you teaching this fake ass history? White colonizing bitch,
that's basically what happens. Yeah, you don't know ship, How
are you gonna tell me this fake as history about
my people? Fuck you? And then she was like how
dare you? This is right? Okay, and then she's like,
no colonizer. Basically, at some point she's like censors to
the office, and the teacher like grabs Luna, but she
like is just grabbing her. She shouldn't have ate a hand.
She grabs her risk but then like she gets engrossed
into this vision from Luna's possessed, Yeah, from possessed entity,
and this vision engrosses her so much and scares her
so much that she grips Luna really really hard, causes bruises.
But she doesn't do it on purpose. No, and Luna
possessed Luna knew, yeah, this was gonna happen. Yeah, and
so then then I think it's still possessed. Luna's like,
you're hurting me, you're hurting me, and then the teacher
gets in trouble. Carmen again goes all mama bear, but
like again at the wrong. Yeah, her daughter is possessed,
but she doesn't know she does. Her daughter's a literal
fucking demon. We let her mom all down the stairs,
oh man. And then later on and the same boys
are picking on Karmen and she's like, basically curses them
of Luna. Sorry, they're picking on Luna, and Luna basically
curses them. She's like, I wish she would just die. Yeah,
and then they die. The children's voice in the audiobook
is so fucking funny to me. It is it is.
I'm like, it's good, die yeah, and then she curses
all the three the three boys, and they do die,
and that's it. Feel it's bad. I feel bad. I
don't right because there's like a fight, Like now, there's
a fight. Now finally stands up for her sisters. She
actually sees what's going on and it's bad. And her
boyfriend steps into they fight. Yeah, Luna gets into it,
gouges at the guy's like faces and stuff like, and
they're like, you're crazy, you're crazy, but they deserved it. Yeah,
fuck around and find out. Fools they did. They fucked
their literal definition to fuck around and find out because
then they especially the haunting. Yes, oh my god. They
all die horrific deaths. One of them is in a
car crash. But before they get into these days, before
they die, they see that met Yes, yeah, and it's bad.
The worst one though. The guy's playing some game, some ship.
He's like, I pinched the Nixican girl about it, which
cemented his need to die to me. Yes, same, and
so then he the guy playing with him, is like,
what's that behind you? He's like what? Then it's static? Yeah,
already horrifying. Then it turns around and there it is,
and he ends up like getting like choked. What is
I don't even remember? But they all, three of them,
I grew some deaths, and I'll say I was there
for it. I was there for it. Yeah, I was happy.
It was great. Is it after their deaths? When it
jumps to your sea and quietly in Mexico? Yeah, you're
seeing quietly or is like, hey, I need to get
to New York. I need to warn this family because
that stuff is happening to them too. That's why they
know something is wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, your see. Especially
she basically loses her mind. She can't tell reality from
the spirits. It's too much. She's sees like all the
account's ancestor and they're all talking in Spanish and they're
they're all digous languages like at the same time, so
she can't understand or see anything like. So she makes
her way to quad Lee's apartment or house for help
and quietly knows and he himself has seen an operation
at the abbey. Yes, and the operation tells him like, hey,
you need to get out of the way. You're either
with us or we're gonna kill you too, like yeah,
we're here for revenge. Yes, And so he believes her too,
and he's like, all right, I can't let you go alone.
He's gonna help her too, and they make their way
into the US, which sorry not to bring them up again.
I don't know their name, but the other podcast we
listen to that cover this because I like to like
listen to things that we're going to talk about me too.
And then I hate what they do with it. But
they're like, oh my god, how can they possibly leave Mexico.
It's like people do it all the time. Do you
know people do this right? Like you know, like this
is a real trip people make. Yes, And it goes
exactly how they did it, like there was nothing unrealistic
about it. No, not at all. They find a Coyota
scruis them over, they fight their way out and oh
my god, when quietly Oh died, so sad, and it's
so she has to leave him there because she has
to keep going. And she's like, I can't take you
with me. That got me, that got me to, that
got me to and it was rough, it was rough.
And then I think I can see how after that
it's a little hard for her to get there. But
the spirits gude power her ancestors exactly, Her ancestors are
telling her where to go. Makes sense. I'm not questioning
anything is possible with the guy. When your ancestors are
helping you out, Yeah, you can do anything. And so
she gets to because at this point there's in the US,
but they're like in a border town. Basically, they're barely
across the border. Yeah, somewhere in the South Texas. She
makes your way to New York. Yeah, she makes her
with her ancestors. Yeah, so to me, believable. And meanwhile
in the Sancha's house, she has hit the fan. Uh, Carmen,
Carmen saw They're all they're all from ess Luna. Yeah,
her room, grass hoppers everywhere. You can't open the door,
like they have basically ignored her because they can't. They
don't know what to do with her. They just let
her shut herself into her room. Like. Yeah, Carmen finally
contacted help. She called Father vet On in Mexico and
he's like, this is possession. I don't know what I
can do, but I'm gonna make my ways and I'm
gonna help you. We're going to meet on this day
and it's like the holidays now. And also he does
some research before he goes down there and that was
super interesting too. That was so cool to read. Yeah,
he goes down to webla or something to like where
the all the archives are and all these like codexes
and shit, and he looks into like what is a
ritual that can help and all these other things and
that it was fascinating to read. And this is where
we learn about the apocalypse basically and the Fifth Son
and how they never got to complete I guess that ritual. Yeah,
and so it's not good for anyone, anyone. Yeah, this
is going to be the end of the world. That's
gonna stop it. Yeah, and Luna's bringing up On. Yeah,
so father Vidon is like, look, I'm gonna do what
I can. And so he is also heading towards New York.
He gets on a plane, he goes through his journey too,
and then he dies. Yeah. I feel bad for him.
I did, because I feel like, yeah, he was he
like you could see he was just he was just
trying to help and he felt bad for what priests
in the past had done. But you know he wasn't
the way the didn't care. Yeah, it didn't care if
you're a good no, yeah, no, it doesn't matter. And yeah,
his death was so sad. It was. And then Carmen
doesn't know when do they learn. She calls the hotel.
She gets hotels like, hey, father Vidon, is he in
this room? He was supposed to meet me? And then
the waiter not waiter, the hotel person is like, ooh,
actually the police are in there right now. He's dead.
And she's like, oh my god, Oh my god, who's
gonna help me now? Yeah, but she he did kind
of tell her a little bit about what they needed
to do, so try it on their own. Yeah, they're
gonna they're doing whatever they need to because also, shit
is going down now. Now, it's getting so much worse.
Now there's like these moths, uh everywhere, Yeah, attacking, like
taking over the sky. He said. And her boyfriend were
in a car accident because he couldn't even see. Now
he's in a coma. He's in a key. He's in
a coma. Now everyone's inna coma. Everyone's faking dying. Yeah, literally,
that is what happens in the apocalypse. That's the apocalypse
and shut it down. Yes, And so he said, you know,
rushes back to her mom. She's like, we're gonna do this,
Richu war ourselves. We need to make a fire, a
very very big fire to try and stop this. And
then you know they're trying to do this, and yours
arrives at some point. Yeah, she gets there, I think
as soon as they're about to start the fire, and
she knows what to do. Yeah, because she's amazing, she's
the best. The ancestors have guided her to exactly where
she needs to go. And this part too, I think
to some it seems a little like all right, this
kind of fell like at the point at this point,
but I thought it was like, it's not I mean
it's I thought it was powerful, like her speaking to
the Yes, is it Sally or is it Sally's mom?
Oh okay, she's looking for her daughter for kit Sally? Yeah?
Or is it Sally? I'm not sure because it's the
old lady. You know what I think the old lady
goes to because has we skipped over this, but has
a see a dream where she sees she basically old woman.
What happens, yeah, the old lady. Oh, it is good
Sally because they catch up. They're chasing her, after her
to catch up to Ko Sally. They like are killing
her and she curses everyone as they're killing her. This
part was insane. Oh my god, I kind of want
to find it because yeah, it was. It was a
lot the way she curses them. That's why they're in
the predicament there right now because of this curse. But
have no I should have marked down, like I didn't
mark down that part because I didn't read that part.
I listened to it. Oh, but I'm like, where does
it happen before she leaves it? Just before she completely
loses it. I want to say, I forgot to say.
There's a part where Luna before all this Luna calls sorry,
Carmen hears Luna funny till excuses that. Yeah. Yeah, I
was like, oh my gosh, the way that would never happen.
I can't find it. I can't find it because I
just got it. This butterfly scene, I don't remember when
it happens, but it's such a powerful, powerful, terrifying scene.
But I mean, like basically we see the from the prologue,
is it continues that we see the Friars catch up
to get Sally. They you know, are going to kill her.
Oh I'm almost there, because in fifteen you want to
calls Quatly to tell him about the dream, and he's like,
you're calling me at this time to tell me about
a dream. So I'm almosh, I was there. Okay, Okay,
thirteen is them at the house. I think, no, that's
so good. It happens early on then, yeah, I feel
like everything kind of happened so fast. So you know,
that's why I don't understand. I saw the critiques of
this book that it's like it's slow and then picks up.
But I'm like, to me, just like from beginning to end,
I you get like you have to have I feel
like you have to be like Latina to enjoy reading
about their time in Mexico. And I don't know, I
mean I wish you wouldn't have to. Yeah, what does
it happen? Because she but I mean that's really it.
But also when is it that your sees everyone and
she sees quatly. Oh that part was so beautiful. It's
the ending right before she gets there. Literally, everything happens
so fast, like yeah, from her leaving quietly to get
into New York, the part yeah vedon dies on page
tuos MD, and then like there's not a lot of
book left and Joy still has to get to them.
Like it's insane. They're going to make the fire that's
on two seventy six. Yeah, I don't know where her
dream happens, but it's insane. That part is so good. Yeah,
but as they're about to make the giant fire, Oh,
I think I found it. It might be in twenty one. Yes,
it's in chapter twenty one. So she like starts to
drifting off and then she like wakes up and she
realizes it's do Laningo. But before development, so she's in
the forest and she sees an old woman hunch like
a haggard old woman, hunched over and I think this
she's like either digging something. This is where she realizes,
that's where she knows the song from. It's like from
their ancestors. The friars catch up to the women and
the priest is like, I'll give you a credit. I
didn't expect to have to chase you this far. And
I'm pretty sure it's Katsally. I feel like it's kitz
Sally made me think of that because Katali we see
her running away from them. Yeah, and it's years later. Yeah,
the fire, this is just so brutal. She's trying to
finish the the ritual, right, is that she's doing her
stem or something? Yeah big, I don't know. Yeah. The
priest that finds her, they be her basically, Yeah, they
tell her horrible things. Yeah. Yorsy is watching all this
and she's like, man, this is brutal too, Like, yeah,
she can't take this. Here's the curse. And she says
this with every ounce of hatred that she can render.
You know what I mean. I don't know if it's
the I think it is this. She says, you spill
my blood to try and erase our gods our language.
You think spilling blood will see the end of us.
We've been bleeding into this land since the first sun
rose over the world. Our gods live in the dirt
as they live in our blood. Where in the food
your bastard soldiers will eat from the crops and the water,
you be foul. And then she like cuts herself, takes
out her entrails and digs them up right, Yeah, yeah,
digs them. They start falling, our sacrifice basically, yeah. Her
introls begin to fall out, along with many pieces of
large clay. And then she also says, my rage is
the rage of my gods, the rage of my people,
the rage of my blood. You've spilled it will last
as long as my heart. And then she casts her
heart into the remaining embers of her fire. She she yeah,
this is her sacrifice and her curse. Oh and right
after this dream is when yourty loses it. So then
everything else that we mentioned before her journey and everything
with quietly to the United States happens after this. Yes,
and this that is Katally, the same girl that is
now possessing Luna. So Yorty gets to them as they're
like making the giant fire, and I want to say
carman ran into the house. He said, it's still outside.
She sees your tea first, She's like, it's me or
don't want to worry. Yeah, because she said I thought
it would get with wine and dragged. At this point, yeah,
she's looking rough. She's like, what are you doing here?
She's like, I'm here to stop all this. And she
asked where Quietly is and I almost cried again because
Quietly didn't make it. I know, I'm trying to find
where she sees them because I want to, like it's
a little bit after this, I think we're not Page
twenty one. She asks them if they're attempting a new
fire ceremony, and he said He's like yeah, a father
Vedon was supposed to do it with them and an exorcism,
but he also didn't make it. So this is kind
of like there. This is the part of the movie
where they're acknowledging their losses, like, yeah, father Vedon didn't
make it. Quietly didn't make it. Oh, and it's rough.
It's rough. And this is where Orsi starts singing the
song that she's been accidentally singing the whole time. I
found where she sees quietly, Oh yeah, there he passes,
because you know she's been seeing her ancestors. This whole
tis right, it's on to sixty four quietly of course,
has already passed away. She keeps making her way and
as she's crossing into the Texas state line, she's drifting
off into sleep and she sees specters guiding her along
the highway, and then it says, among the luminous, indiscernible faces,
she saw quad Lee's grinning face. I'm gonna cry. Sorry,
I gotcha. And he knew he and knew he had
been telling the truth when he said he'd be watching
now for everyone. I think this is hitting harder because
also the other Muertos, just as sign. I don't know
if I can say it without crying. So, as I've
said many times, i haven't gone through it through this year,
and we're really like the past two to three years. Yeah,
and I'm gonna cry. So so yeah, I was saying
I've been going through it just a little bit after
I would pass away, and I've had a few dreams
of him, and so my mom always says, it's because
he knows you're going through it, so he does I've
had zero dreams. Yeah, I have not had these little
signs that other people have. And he just he knows
and you need him more than me, right, And that's
why my mom says and brings me to tears every time,
and so on the other mortals. I lit my first
candles and I was already crying, and I the way
my house is, like, my kitchen is a little closed off,
but there's like a door that was there, so it's
like a door frame. And then I could see the
window that faces out to one part of the backyard
and so I look out and there's like a hummingbird
on colibrit yes, at the window, and I my husband
was in the kitchen. He was looking somewhere else in
the kitchen though, and I was like, look a hummingbird.
But then he turned and it was already gone. So
it felt like it was just for me, just for
you to see. Yeah, yeah, and like I know other people,
just a bird Mexicans co Libri. Did you ever see
that that video I saw? I shared it. He probably
said it to me, Oh yeah, No. The one I
saw was a meme on Instagram. Just at the picture.
It's like the little funny looking dog with a hat
on that store and it's like, looks like it's crying.
And there's a humming bird you yeah, yeah, that was
That's what that was you, but it was him. It
felt so real. So I'm like, it has to be.
It has to it has to And and I don't
see humming birds anywhere. I can't tell you the last
time I saw a hummingbird. Yeah. So yeah that reading
that part right now again it hit even harder. Yeah,
and like these signs there they are in places you
know there's Yeah, it's real. And so now back to
where we are in the book, we're Amostone's making her
way in the house with the cell behind her, and
she's singing the song for people I love honesty. I
want to listen to the audiobook just to listen to
that again, just to hear these word. Times I heard it,
I was like I felt like a piece inside. No,
it was so comforting, it was. It really was just
something about I don't know and again like you and
I we don't know what what like old and said
what it meant? Yea also kind of happy it doesn't
at the same time, that's true. I get what you're saying,
I get what you're saying. It's it sounds beautiful, It
really does. She's seeing these words. They're walking through the house,
the the entity that has been possessing her. Kit Sally,
She's hurt, She is hurting. She saw these horrible things.
It was the end of her world. What happened, you know,
it was even though the world went on, like they
were destroyed. Yeah, and she saw such horrible things. She's
in so much pain. And your scene knows it. Your
sey isn't blaming her. Your sy isn't like saying you evil.
You know how the movies are casting out a demon
and they're being so vicious about it. Your see is
being so empathetic. Kait Sally needs it, and this it
was just it was so beautiful, reminding her like Luna,
this is your family. Kit Sally is like, no, it's anymore.
You're just like you know what, Kitsally, I saw you.
I saw you that night that you create those men.
And she sings this. She keeps singing the song and
her ancestors are singing with her. They surround her, Yeah,
and they are singing with her. Her and Luna are
like locked in this strands together the ancestors are all there,
and they had to separate the pinata from the heart
that's inside the pinata. And so while your see is
like saying all these things, Luna and not Luna, he said,
has to grab it and pulse it apart based and
then they have to throw it in the fire. And
so her and Jorsey like run after they pull this
to go throw it in the fire, and Carmen stays
to try and stop the demon from her not demon,
but like the you know, mim from following so that
they can burn it. Yeah, Yorsey continues, you pitting the
same song and like I'm gonna read the words, but
like they're not gonna sound as good as they do
on the audiobook. But yeah, wa in so ChIL siki
yeats laslas sola I sail. And again it sounds way
better than the audiobook. I'm amazing. Honestly, I don't know
what it means that I don't want to It just
sounds so beautiful. I want to keep it for them.
But it was comforting. Yes, I completely agree. And once
they throw it in the fire, it's Luna again. You
can tell. And now you're seeing the old women are
like looking at each other. I think, is what's happening.
And the old woman says, get Suddenly, I came all
the way, all this way for you and it's too late.
And it's like she just wanted her daughter. She was
trying to find her daughter too. It's just so sad.
It really is, like you understand her anger. Yeah, and
then the thing I didn't like though, kind of like
the Sanchez family. They're hugging each other, they're embracing each other.
They turn around looking for You're gone. I wish they
would have had a time, like a debriefing together. Yeah,
but yeah, she has she has things. She knows what
she needs to do because your ancestors are guiding her.
And yeah, she she has to get to work immediately. Yeah,
and the book ends, Oh sorry, Luna has the dream
of her own. After all this, everyone's okay. I goes
to the hospital at the end. Oh my god, that
was also so beautiful. I forgot about this. Yeah, this
is actually how I wanted to say really quick. So, yeah,
you talked about how basically this goddess spirit whatever was angry.
I guess she's a meya. But anyway, Yeah, she's like
talking to her and yeah, you said about the Kitali.
When she says, I came all this way for you,
but I was too late, and that's when she dissipates, right, yes, yeah,
and so then Carmen asked what was that? And then Luna.
I thought it was one who said this, But Luna
is the one who says she wanted the same thing
you wanted. She want her family back, She wanted their
home to be returned to how it was. And then
Yortzy says, we have to live among the living. History
moves with the swift cruelty fighting. It is impossible. The
spirits of the dead, unable to leave their grudges behind,
poison the air for the living. Luckily, many of my
ancestors understood that more than others. Without them, I would
have never been able to stop the door from fully
opening within your daughter. So I don't know, I like,
I kind of liked reading that because I think it's easy.
It helped. It's It's like to me, what I said
is like, it's easier to hold on to the hatred, yes,
than to like accept you have. The harder thing is
like the world. It's like you have to accept that
book the reality yes, even though for Katally and her
whole entire family, her brother literally got Vita down in
front of her, her mom and her were separated, so many,
so many deaths, so so much pain. We you know,
unfortunately come from that pain and the people that brought
on that pain. And at some point, yeah, it happened,
and it's terrible, and yeah, the cry, you know what
remind me of I don't want to bring this back
to Avatar, but it reminded me of when he finds
out about his the air Nomads being killed. Yes, yeah,
and him being the last Airbender. He's like the only
one left, and like the pain that he feels and
he goes into Avatar mode and then Katara's like, no,
like we have to move on, blahlah blah. Like that's
what it reminds me of the whole time that Yot
was like trying to talk the spirit down. That's what
reminded me of. Yeah, oh my god, scene for scene. Yeah, yeah,
I just love how you're always bringing things back to Avatar.
I really am. And I really like the live version
or whatever it's called, the Hive Action, especially because it's
a little bit different than the cartoon and they show
the Airbenders fighting and they don't show that in the cartoon,
and it made me cry. Legit, it made me cry
because I'm like, they fought, yeah, you know, they fought
to their last breath, and I was like crying. Yeah,
it just makes me think all again all the horrible
things that our aunt sisters have gone through and and
sadly for so many of us, it's like the same,
both sides of it are present, right, yeah, but yeah,
it's horrible and it's something still happening today to indigenous
people and they're out here still fighting, like the them
being alive today is resisting its power, you know. And
that's just that your tea. That's what she's basically saying
too at the end. But back to the net dream,
that's just the last thing that happens. Sorry, well you
told me to speed things up. Okay, I'm so sorry.
I know I did. But now that I'm like, have
the book open in front of me, I I'm the
last page. You know where we talked about your tea.
You know, she has stuff to do. Yeah, and you know,
as she's walking away, like our ancestors are all like
around her, right, and she says the dead are now
ever really gone? They stick around in the soil, the dust,
in our stories and songs, Traces of them, all of
those within me now, traces shades of the past from
in a picture. And then her ancestors respond to her
like in her head and they're like, why would God
be any different? So she like, I feel like she
knows she has to keep going. Yes, yeah, okay, now,
and that's that's the last thing we see of Yorzy.
She wanders off, and I want a whole book of
Yorksey's adventures. So yeah, I don't think you're listening, but
someone please clip this if you know him, and send
it to him and tell him, like, we need adventures,
a whole book about what Yorty does after please, yeah, please,
but I really need that in my life right now. Yeah.
But so Yorty leaves, everyone has to go to the
hospital because Josh Annabela are awake. Now Josh's unas or
he said, his boyfriend that got on the coma after
the butterflies, Yeah, obstting a butterfly attack. Yes, so they're
awake and they go to the hospital and then you know,
things are jolly while they're there. Luna dozes off against
her mother's chest and she drifts into sleep, and for
the first time since becoming possessed in Mexico, she has
a dream. She's in the deep forest, the suns over
her head. She following a small girl that is going
through this forest tree. The girl's body is bruised and
cut from days of traveling. Every once in a while,
the girl stops and stays still, like she's listening for footsteps.
This is Katzali, This is Katsani after she ran away.
They traveled together for days. The girl never aware Luna
was following, Luna following the whole time. They go to
a river. The girl breaks into a sprint, and then
the girl across the water. The girl stares back into
a group of Nawa tending to a fire and cooking
what they have foraged. There's women and children among them,
injured people. They're welcoming refugees by the fire. She sits
down against a tree and bites into a frew. Finally
able to rest. They're running for so long. She looks
into the sun and she hums herself. The song that
Yorksy has been singing the whole time. The song that
Yorty is saying to save Luna and just I feel
like this is Kitzally finally reunited with her family. Yeah right,
And I almost cried. I wondered if it was. Oh yeah,
because in the beginning, when Kittali's first running away, do
they catch up to her? They do? Huh, Now we
don't never, we don't need a catch up, Okay. So
I feel like this could either be like in I
don't know, in the afterlife or something when she re
unites with her family, or she did escape and found
refuge with other nahwa and so like her mom, even
though her mom never found her. She went on to resh, Yeah, yeah,
I wonder I think you're I feel like I'm right. Yeah,
I think you're right. And that's fucking amazing. Yeah chills, chills. Yeah.
So I thought it was a beautiful ending to a
beautiful book. Me to questions, discussion, questions, We've made it finally. Sorry,
that was all the recap and thoughts of the book,
because it was such an amazing book. It was I'm
going to reread this for sure, me too. This is
probably gonna be a yearly the read for me. Yes,
I feel like it's so it's so the other one
of those. Yeah, just the answers is coming back looking
for revenge but then uniting to save this Luna and
the world. The world's amazing, It's gonna be the end
of the world. Yeah, it was. I love the books.
Let's get into questions. Yeah, so the first question. The
book is set in Mexico and then in New York,
with a lot of history and culture with into it.
Did you feel like it took away from the story
or added to it? Oh? For sure, I added to it.
I feel like we couldn't. This story would not have
been the same without the history. Yeah, we needed to
be in Medico for all this to happen, first of all,
but we also needed to understand the history and the
horrible things that happened to Sure, sure, Kat Sally into
the monster's mom. Sally is it Sali mom? Now? I
don't know, you know what, I'm not sure because yeah,
in the beginning, okay, with Kit, Sally is the one
running away, right and then Kit Sally is the one
who presents herself to Luna, but then for her daughters. Yeah,
so maybe it's both of them. I don't know. I
don't know. That's part, isn't I think it's her mom.
And I think because her mom knows she needed Luna,
and she presented herself as her daughter, maybe okay to
lure her. You know, I think you're right. I think
you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. But let us
know if you think otherwise. If you have other daughters, yeah,
we wanted to hear them, and nobody wrote in just kidding,
just kidding, just kidding, But yeah, no, and I agree
with you completely that we needed both things. I saw
some people say that it took away from the experience
of the book. I'm like, now, you're right. So first
of all, I don't think you should give an opinion.
You're not allowed to read this. I think you can
read this book. I think you need read this book.
But I don't think you need to let us know
what we thought about it. No, because it was necessary.
And for me, first of all, I love like obviously
me and you we love history, yes, hence our history podcast,
So I never mind. I love a horror history where
we get a mix of both. This is why I
love Garcia does the same thing, Veronica Castro, same thing, honestly,
and I love it. I'm here for it, and this
book did it beautifully? Oh yeah, and it was like
it wasn't like like some I think some books force
it in to me. It didn't feel worst. Oh no.
Father Vedon is telling it at one point because he
needs to learn about the ritual I needs to be done.
I loved like all of that. Yeah. When quat Lean
your cr at the house telling the girls the girls
don't know, they need to know, and they're also letting
us know like I don't. I didn't. It didn't feel
worse to me anything. Even if there was more of it.
I would have loved that too. Yeah. Yeah, because this
could have been longer and I would have loved it,
And it could have been more history and I would
have loved it. Okay, the story is mostly about what
is happening to Luna, but we get multiple perspectives. How
did you feel about this? Did you want more from
certain characters? Or did it add any confusion for you
to for the plot? I'm sorry, one Moon. Okay, the
story is mostly about what's happening to Luna, but we
got multiple perspectives. How did you feel about this? Did
you want more from certain characters? Did the multiple perspectives
add confusion to the plot. No, I don't think it
was confusing. I loved following along everyone's like journeys while
all of this was happening. I feel like I could
have used a less of Gottman's thoughts and more of
your ty thoughts. Like I get it she was a mom,
But yeah, I would have loved more quietly on me too. Honestly,
this was in their perspective. I'm just kidding that Wulda
made sense. It would have made sense. Luna is the
one being honest to whatever. I personally felt like we
had enough of Luna. I I don't really even think
I needed to hear from Luna Orsen, Like, Okay, the
other podcast that we listened to, they were like, oh,
I wish I would have got more from is said,
and I'm like, no, honestly we did. I think we
got the right amount of Acent me too, if not
too much, maybe a little less Carmen a little more
recent once they were back in New York. Yeah, because
she kind of saw more. But I feel like that
did happen. We did get less, that is what happened,
and we did get more of the two kids in school,
especially once they were in school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
so to me, I could have used less Carmen in Mexico. Yes, yeah,
me too, like and more history, yeah, and more you
see more kid Sally honestly, no, like it's Sally in
the beginning, Like I would have loved to find out
a little bit more about her life. I think it
was the right amount, honestly, I do. I'm just saying
why because I could have used a little bit of
less Catman. But it was fine, Like, I don't I
didn't need it, you know what. It was important all
this rewritten from the point of view of Catalian. She's like,
that's another request, but she is flying off the teacher. Yeah,
you're hurting me. No, but I think it was I
think it could have been less Carmen, more everyone else, honestly,
but it wasn't bad. It wasn't Yeah, more Luna, I
don't think so. No, I don't think so, you know,
I don't think so. Okay. So also because it kept
you wondering, like what the fuck is Luna doing? Yeah,
it's just like the characters is yeah yeah, and I
and that was perfect to be made creepier. Yeah, what
did you think of Carmen? Did she make any decisions?
That you wouldn't agree with. Would you have done something different?
I feel like we only think we were doubling different
because we we know what's happening, and she didn't. Yeah,
but also I did not Yeah go ahead, no you finished,
No you finished? Okay. I think also we would have
done something differently culturally because if it we already know
what we've already been told. I was going to say
the same thing, so yeah, I thought so, yeah, I
thought you were going to so I think the moment personally,
the moment Jorci said spiritually, spiritually not maybe not the
first time. Maybe the first time, I still would have
been a little like I don't know, you you know,
but in the house when her and Whattney came to
the house and all those things had already happened, the bracelet,
the Braley toldly twice. Yeah, yeah, at that point, I
would have been like, what do I need to do? Yeah,
that would have been the sign like again, yeah, you
already said it. But like if my if I was
going into some old ass building and my Dan told
me you need to spin around three times jump and
then yeah, I'm gonna do it, So yeah, I would
have I would have done that differently, I do think so, yeah,
I do understand why she was so hesitant and when
she was ignoring everything, because at the same time, I
would scary, denial is easier. That's why it's a form
of uh, it's a defense mechanism for a reason, exactly exactly.
So I get it. I get it. But she did
get on my nerves. Yeah, she actually didn't super get
on my nerves. I was just like, no, which is
that the right? Yeah? Yeah, okay. So who was a
villain in Pineta? How did the author portray them? Did
you understand their motives and did they have redeeming qualities
or human emotions? I understood the villains to be the
Spaniards in my eyes, Kittally and her mom or Kitzani's mom,
the mimeh. They were just doing what they felt like
they needed to do. Yeah, and I was there for it.
I was, of course, not in support of Luna and
her family being hurt. I was in support of the
three bullies being hurt. I personally wouldn't have killed father
ven On, but I understood it. Yeah, I understood why
it happened. Yeah, and yeah, no, I the Spaniards are
the real villains. Yeah, I completely agree. And then maybe
not father vid On now, but the because of his job,
he had to like yeah, he had to go down.
I get it, I get it. I get it. Every
time we say that it makes you to give the one.
It's a hudge, its pandemic. Like, I get it. I
respect it. That's nobody, get it. I respect it. The Yeah,
like I understand her side too. Yeah, and to me,
she was not the villain. No, No, the pain caused
by the colonizers, that's though, they're the villains. Yeah, that
Friar in the beginning, who did that to the ool?
I was so glad when he fucking died. Same and
then the ones that cut up to get Sally and
then yeah, that too horrible. So they're the villains. Okay,
next question, I'm glad we're on the same patre. Yeah,
of course. How did the author explore themes like justice, morality, revenge, royalty, survival.
He hit on every single one of those. Yeah, I
feel like ultimate only the answer is like empathy, Yeah,
is the real power, and the real revenge is to
continue living. Yeah, that was beautifully said. I don't need
to say more. Cool. Yeah, we're not just trying to
rush through answers with the plot, I swear with the
recap sweat. Were you satisfied with the book's outcome or
did you have any questions or doubts left un answered?
For me, there were no plot holes. I feel like
I don't know about I would have again, I just
I just wanted more your c I wanted to know
where she went. But I understand its own book. I know.
I was gonna say, like, I would have loved to
know what your se uh is up to. I would
have wanted to see her talk with the family a
little bit, with Gottman in them. Yeah, but I understand
that she's a busy woman. Yeah. She The answert is like,
all right, you need to go over their next to go.
I'm ready to find out what has been up to. Yeah,
And like, did Yorte maybe need some rest? No, the
ancestors are helping her. She doesn't need help. She doesn't
need to physically stop. She rest is the guidance of
her ancest Yeah. So to me, that's fine when when
her feels like it, you know, like right now, she
doesn't need it. She could have kept going because she's powerful. Yeah, yeah,
exactly because that was another thing that podcast was like, Ye,
doesn't she needs a rest after all, dcause she's super hiven. No,
she has the help of the ancestor. She's fine. Yeah,
they're literally carrying her. Yes, their strength is carrying her
to go on, like she probably commoted from Texas to
New York. I believe it, like what. I believe it too,
And I'm here for you to me too. I'm not
questioning anything. No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not. I
feel like I got everything I need it from this book. No,
I agree, I agree. No, and I again I understand
your tea will get her own book. Please out give
us a Yorky sequel. Yeah, okay, yes, all right. Last question,
what did you rate this book? Five upstating butterflies? That
are five obstating butterflies, yes, okay for me, five miss
and five mess five fives offers, yes, yeah, five bloody
piatas full of entrails out of five bloody pinatas full entrails. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had a great time reading this. Yeah. I don't understand.
If you didn't like this book, get the out there's this,
come get them. I will call her up right now. No,
but yeah, it was good. It was so good. It
was so good. I had a great time reading this.
Like I already said, we already said so much about it,
Like I don't think we need to really odd anything else.
I don't think so. No, No, But do you have
any other final thoughts? No, I think that we have
touched on everything that we need to touch on or
needed to touch on. A beautiful combination of the horrors
of the past, the horrors of colonization weaved into the present,
and how these horrors affect generation after generation and things.
You know. Yeah, really, that's a beautiful book. One of
my favorite book club reads so far. And I say
that every time. I really do think I think. I
think Pianta has been my favorite. I agree, though, and
I love them all. Yeah, and Pianta is up there.
It is up there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, okay, we
made it before two hours later, Oh my god, I know,
a whole two hours let's announce our next book club
Oh I forgot what it was already, So yes, what
is it? Okay? What about? Have you heard of The
Witches of El Paso? No, I haven't. It's by Louis Kamio.
Better than know what it's about. I saw it from
Coffee and Quentos. Oh, so shout out Coffee and Guentos. Yes,
I get all my book rex from her, but we haven't.
I feel like we haven't read something WITCHI. No we haven't. Well,
I'll here the Witches separately, but not from so you
found theo synopsis. Yeah, so if you call the if
you call it to the Witches, they will come. Nineteen
forty three and Paso. Yes, teenager Nana already, let's do it,
fuck it, so live all right, I'm down, Okay. Our
next book club read is The Witches of El Paso
by Louis Camio, and I'm excited me too. Yeah I
haven't read something WITCHI. Yeah, we really haven't. So actually, yeah,
this is awesome. All right. By the time this comes out,
I will have added that to If you're on StoryGraph,
the book club books are all in one challenge. You
can see them, you can participate that way, so that
will be added on. It'll also be on our bookshop
if you want to buy the book through bookshop, and
we get like some coins from that, and I will
also this will be up you know obviously on Friday.
So that is our next book. I'll send out the
newsletter at some point. I'm very behind on things, so yeah,
all right, well this was so fun, Carmen and I
needed this. Thank you to me too, all right, everyone else,
don't follow the little girls you don't know into sheds. Yeah.
So if you see old ladies with things protruding out
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