Speaker 1: Welcome to Political beat Down with Michael Cohen.
Speaker 2: I'm Ben my cellas.
Speaker 1: This is one of the best times I have all week.
I just want to let you know, Michael Cohen, how
much I look forward to spending this time with you,
with all of the Brigaders and the mightas Mighty out there,
and we have a lot to discuss. You kind of
teased us during our last show on Tuesday, Cohen, where
you told us about two important court hearings that would
be taking place. Technically, one wasn't a court hearing. There
was a mediation in the dispute that you have in
a lawsuit filed against Trump and the Trump organization over
legal fees and expenses. I want to hear how that went.
And I also want to hear about the discovery conference
in the federal lawsuit. This is the five hundred million
dollar bs but nonetheless still a lot of money in
the lawsuit that Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Is It's a lot of money if you lose.
Speaker 1: That's in the Southern District of Florida, where you've already
filed a motion to dismiss. So give us the update.
The Brigaders have been anxiously awaiting Michael Cohen.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, so, Brigaders, here's what happened.
Speaker 3: The Florida case was actually a meet and confer with
Trump's council in order to establish the discovery plan.
Speaker 2: That's all that it was.
Speaker 3: It was not a lengthy conversation between councils. Only then
they submit that to the judge's This.
Speaker 2: Is I mean, it's just it's fantastic. You know.
Speaker 3: Obviously he set himself up whereby as the plaintiff, he
can't excuse being deposed. And if any of you saw
that wonderful deposition that he had provided in the Egene
Carroll case, you could only imagine how much worse that
this one is going to be, especially considering the quality
of my counsel in this case. I mean not that ROBERTA.
Kaplin is not fantastic.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 3: However, you know the topic that I have in the
fact that he has been fighting this for four years,
He's made more than a half a dozen different claims
about it, between Donyak every my attorney, and Ben Brodsky
and Florida. You know, I can only wish that I
can somehow sell the deposition, the live the video deposition
on a paywall or a pay per view, because I
think that would more than pay the five hundred million
dollars if in fact that you know, somehow this thing
managed to work out for him, that's how great it
would be. It's such a stupid case. It was stupid
for him to bring it. It was stupid for the
lawyer to allow him to bring it. And obviously wait
till you see some of our newest papers that are
going to be filed, possibly by tomorrow. If not tomorrow,
it'll be by monday. So there's a lot of stuff
going on as for yesterday.
Speaker 1: If it's a hint though, what those papers even relate to.
Speaker 2: Is it a motion?
Speaker 1: Is it a protect Any hints we can.
Speaker 2: Get, Well, it's a it'll be Uh.
Speaker 3: Actually I prefer at this point not to do it
because the short there's you know, there's there's a lot
that's going on here. But I promise you will tried.
I try accountability. It's all about accountability.
Speaker 2: On the other matter. You know, this is for legal fees.
They've already conceded the liability. Uh.
Speaker 3: That took place a while ago. This case has been
going on since twenty nineteen. You know, I had a
non binding mediation which is required in the commercial part
here in New York in the courts, and so met
with a fantastic judge.
Speaker 2: You know, we sat down.
Speaker 3: It was about five hours that we were there, and
as part of this non binding mediation, you know, there
was some dollars that were discussed.
Speaker 2: But by the end of the mediation, the goal.
Speaker 3: Is now for Trump's Council here in New York to
go back to Trump Org and get them to put
let's just say, a different number on the case, because again,
this is a case of damages and the damages are
very easy to prove. Just bring out the bills.
Speaker 1: So going back to the federal lawsuit that Donald Trump
filed against you in the Federal court in the Southern
District of Florida, as you mentioned, by filing that case
as the plaintiff, Donald Trump has now opened the door
to a lot of discovery. This includes written discovery requests
like requests for production of documents in derogatories, request for admission,
but also a deposition. And there's conflicting allegations that Donald
Trump makes about you, besides the fact that it's all
barred by the Statute of Limitations and completely and utterly
bs But on the one hand, he's accusing you of
breaching fiduciary obligations. On the other hand, he's accusing you
of lying about him. He doesn't call it defamation, knowing
that he will likely be hit for attorney's fees on
an anti slat motion, so he tries to dress it
up as something else. But he's accusing you of being
a liar in connection with your cooperation in legal proceedings.
And doesn't that now open him up in a deposition
where he could be questioned about his criminal conduct? And
don't you think people like Special Counsel Jack Smith, the
District Attorney, the New York Attorney General's Office, the Fulton
County District Attorney, aren't they going to be very interested
in this deposition?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I would be right. I can tell
you for sure that our brigaders would definitely be interested
in you know, seeing this videotaped deposition, there is nothing
that is off the table so long as it relates
to the let's see how many page complaints is as
I forget it's into the thirties, Yeah, thirty thirty two
page document. Whatever is in that document, he's open to
fair question. And you know you can't take the fifth
in this This isn't a criminal proceeding. This is a
civil proceeding that he brought.
Speaker 2: So it's not as if he's gonna be able to
turn around and say, well, you know, I have to
take the fifth on this one. You know, same answer,
same answer, fifth, take the fifth. Fifth. It just doesn't
work that way.
Speaker 1: And I'm right, I think in my central premise though,
that he opened the door on those topics. Though right
where I suppose that, you know, hypothetically your lawyers would
be asking him questions that relate to his criminal conduct,
I might generally.
Speaker 3: Right, I have to ask him questions that ultimately destroy
the allegations that he has raised against me. Well, here's
a little factoi that you learn first year law school.
Right when it comes to defamation, the defense to defamation
is veracity.
Speaker 2: It's truth.
Speaker 3: And so if I have to defeat a on the
motion to dismiss the averment the claim that I lied,
or that I defamed him, or that I told an
untruth about him, well, I don't know, Uh, do I
not get to question him about specific topics that would
prove what I'm saying happens.
Speaker 2: To be accurate?
Speaker 3: Because the accuracy of the response that he would have
to give, because I already know the answers right is
exactly what I just said is the defense to defamation,
which again you're right about that. Then he did not
plead it. He makes these very very broad, overgeneralized sort of.
Speaker 2: Comments.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked, to be honest with you, if
the judge in this specific case makes them re plead
the averments of this complaint on several different grounds, including
the parts about me defaming him without raising a claim
of defamation.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm hopeful the judge will dismiss it with prejudice,
but as you know, oftentimes in these federal cases, they
will grant at least one attempt for leave to amend.
But oftentimes when you look at these motion to dismiss orders,
the writings on the wall. So we'll be following that
and I look forward to when that deposition takes place,
you know, same week, Rudy Giuliani sued again, this time
in federal court. On our Tuesday episode of Political Beatdown,
we talked about this really really serious lawsuit brought against
him for engaging in despicable conduct. It's a sexual assault
claim brought by someone who worked for him as his assistant.
The individual in that case attached her text messages with
him where he talked about I want to shower with
you and a horrific and disgusting thing.
Speaker 3: So the young lady that brought the lawsuit Ben is
his former assistant, a young lady by the name of
Noel Dunfie.
Speaker 2: And this is a woman who was by his side,
who rudy very similar to what we all saw in
the barat in the Borot clip.
Speaker 3: You know, I love that wait to go salty, all right,
I mean, come on, give me a break. This is
the same sort of bullshit that he was pulling on
miss Dunfie. And you know, he is a groper.
Speaker 2: He is a you know, just a creeper.
Speaker 3: And she now lays it out in a series of
specific instances. But there's also another part here that I
think is also catching the attention not just of the press,
but also of potentially Southern District of New York Attorney
General or the district Attorney.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one would be the ones to
go after him on.
Speaker 3: But there are allegations that she has raised about the
selling of pardons for two plus million dollars to the
extent that she has information, text messages, emails, recordings. This
is the kind of shit that both and I'm not
talking about just the pardons. I'm talking about also the
sexual assaults. This is the kind of shit that you
go to prison for and you're not popular in prison
as a sexual abuser. This is a real problem for
a lot of people. I mean, you know, many of
the inmates have daughters, sisters, moms, right, cousins, neighbors that
they care about. And this creeper is not going to
do it. I mean one thing for certain. They'll use
him as a punching bag for a multitude of reasons.
But not only was he sexually abusing this young lady,
but they're selling pardons and he told her to find
this is, according to the complaint, to go find people
who are looking for pardons willing to pay at least
two million dollars. And part of the requirement is that
they not have filed requests under the to the Office
of the Pardon, so that there would be no existing
documentation on them that could be Foyer requested. And you know, Ben,
how much and so do my brigade, My brigaders that.
Speaker 2: Have been around for a while. You know how I
feel about that for your office. All right, we'll talk
about that in a second. Two. But this is criminal.
Speaker 3: Shit to a level that we have not seen, I
think ever in US. I mean in US history. We
haven't seen this sort of shit ever go on where
the administration. Because they talk about how the money would
be split between Giuliani and Trump.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is crazy shit, my friends.
Speaker 1: No, these are very serious allegations. And while these allegations
are being made in that lawsuit, you still have Donald
Trump bragging and saying that if he were to be
elected again, one of the first things he would do
is part in the January sixth insurrectionists. He says he
would pardon the terrorists. And we're going to talk a
little bit as well in this episode and a little
bit we'll talk about these ridiculous hearings. What a kangaroo
court you No, let's not.
Speaker 3: Let's not jump off this pardon thing for a second,
ben if we can stay with it, and I'm going
to tell you why. First and foremost, you know, there
is a presumption that crime is not supposed to pay.
Speaker 2: If you know that, you.
Speaker 3: Can buy a pardon via Rudy Kaludi, drunken Juliani. You
could buy it via Jared Kushner. You could buy it
by getting somehow connected into Trump. Well, you could really
make crime pay. There are several cases of pardons where
you know, people had stolen like a billion dollars, hundreds
of millions of dollars. Yeah, it makes a lot of
sense to steal hundreds of millions of dollars if all
you need to do is pay two three, four five
million in order to get a pardon, and you still
get to keep the rest of the money.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not how the system is supposed to work.
Speaker 3: People get pardons because they deserve them, because they have
done their time. Because and these people did not do
their time, there was plenty of time left for each
of them. I mean, there are several of these cases
that if you google you'll read about them that these
people had I mean, some had, you know, double digits fifteen,
twenty thirty years and they were able to for a
couple of million dollars by their way, you know, by
the way out of prison and a pardon. This is
so wrong on so many levels. And my favorite line
of this whole thing is when Kushner was questioned about
the January sixth insurrection, you may remember this brigadeers. He
turned around and he said to Congress that I had
nothing to do with the January sixth insurrection. I was
not involved because I was busy working on part Now,
all of a sudden, Jared Kushner, the secretary of Everything,
is on top of working Middle Eastern peace and dealing
with Mohammad Ben Salman and everything else in between. Now
he's also running the part in office. What about all
the people that had been there for weeks or months
or years. Some of these people have been there all
four years and more working on pardons. All of a sudden,
Jared the genius steps in and takes over. This is bullshit.
This is absolutely ripe for an investigation by the Inspector
General by Congress. And the fact that Merrick Garland right
now has not already gone on television and so should
and so should Joe Biden, show that this shit cannot stand.
Speaker 2: It is not permitted.
Speaker 3: That you'll have people who are part of the administration
as high as the office.
Speaker 2: Of the President. I didn't see selling pardons.
Speaker 3: This needs to be investigated and the dealj needs to
investigate it now.
Speaker 1: Well, clearly the MAGA Republican controlled House of Representatives, they're
focused on abolishing the FBI, abolishing the VA, abolishing the IRS,
trying to impeach everybody, defaming everybody. That's what they're folks.
And we'll talk about that in a little bit. But
let's talk about this other lawsuit against Giuliani. Daniel Gill,
who was the grocery store employee in Staten Island who
was at this grocery store when Rudy Giuliani showed up right.
This was just after the Dobbs decision overturning Roevwaight, where
people like Giuliani were bragging about that decision. Giuliani was
there for the vanity campaign of his loser son, and
he was in the shop right. There was kind of
a meet and greet and this shopright employee, who since
lost his job as a result of this, Daniel Gill
goes over to it.
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, and all of a sudden,
I feel a shot.
Speaker 1: Let me show you the video right now. It was
just a pat on the back and he said, what's up, scumbag,
and then walked away and then, in typical Maga fashion.
Rudy Giuliani played the victim, tried to bring the did
bring the police, and if they charged Daniel Gill with
a felony spent twenty one hours in prison as a
result of this. Once the video emerged, they reduced the
felony charge to a misdemeanor, but Giuliani had the police
file an elder abuse charge based on this, saying that
he was assaulted and attacked and it was like being
shot in the back, is what Juliani said.
Speaker 5: Your plays.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I felt this terrible pain running down.
Speaker 4: My back, and all of a sudden, I feel a
shot on my back, like somebody shot me. I went forward,
but luckily I didn't fall down. Lucky, I'm a seventy
eight year old is in pretty good shape, because if
I wasn't, I'd hit the ground and probably cracked my skull.
Speaker 1: I think we have another clip too, coin I'll show you.
This is from one of these right wing echo chamber
interviews that he did with Thank you.
Speaker 2: He's in such great shape.
Speaker 3: He's in the same shape as the penguin in the
original Batman with Michael Keaton.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing, dude, I didn't know he was as good.
Speaker 6: I really didn't. And his his brass for the issues,
particularly the issue of prime and the autonomy that is remarking,
and the main thing that he has is passion.
Speaker 5: Amos.
Speaker 7: Hey, mister mayor, is somebody mowing the lawn right outside
your window?
Speaker 3: I can barely hear you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're at a big rally. We're at a big
rally in Staten Island, right around the corner from where
I was attacked yesterday.
Speaker 7: We have that Actually you were at a I guess
of some kind. I'm going to show the people what happened,
and you tell me because let me see the video.
If you don't mind, Uh, this person with a hand
on your back. I gotta be honest, it doesn't look
that bad, but I understand that looks to be deceived.
Speaker 6: You know that that was That was the woman who
was rubbing my back, not the guy who in it
that you watching. So the woman, that woman, uh gave
a statement to the police that the guy hit me
so hard that she herself almost fell from the reverberation
of it.
Speaker 2: She's a city worker.
Speaker 6: There's a second grade detective that that's that's the lady
who helped.
Speaker 2: Me all right, good now, that makes sense.
Speaker 8: Uh, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous.
Speaker 1: They're just liars.
Speaker 3: Oh look what did we expect from KALOUDI right, we
expected him to tell the truth. The guy lies with impunity,
just like his dear old boss, the guy who all
of a sudden decided to accept him into the inner
circle he never existed before. This is Rudy's ability to
garner some attention all of us. Oh my god, thank god,
I'm in such great shape. First, let me tell you
something I've seen Kaloudy.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: First of all, he could barely lift his arms in
order to put a fork to his mouth. I've sat
next to him at a restaurant at Fresco watching him.
Speaker 2: First of all, he's morbidly obese.
Speaker 3: He schleps his right leg, you know, as if he's
got some sort of neurological deficit. And on top of that,
he is not in good shape. All right, He's just not.
I mean, I'll tell you who's in good shape. Joe
Biden's in good shape. I'd like to see Rudy on
a bicycle. I'd like to see Rudy, you know, jog
or do something other than again, you know, schlep himself
from restaurant restaurant, you know what, pound down on some
scotch or vino. This is, this is so fucking crazy.
The guy touched him on the back and did call
him a scumbag, all right. This was right after the
road to see which truth. You know, since we're going
to talk about right as we did before. You know,
what's the uh you know what's the defense to defamation
is veracity. Yeah, Rudy, you're a fucking scumbag, all right
for turning around and for agreeing that the road decision
should be you know, should be overturned using of course dobbs.
I mean, the guy tapped him on the back.
Speaker 2: We all saw it.
Speaker 3: And yet yet Fox and others and Rudy continued to
do this, and that they filed an action, right that
they filed the police report, which to me, if I
was looking at this, I don't care what the you know,
when the police showed up, I would be calling for
a sergeant or a lieutenant and I would make them
take notice of exactly the way this guy patted him
or touched his back. I mean, this is just pure bullshit.
This is Rudy using who he is or who he
was right in order to go after somebody who he
knew was an anti Trumper because he called Rudy a scumbag.
This was just retaliation. It's exactly a Trump play. It's
a Trump move. Retaliate against anyone that sees things differently
than you. And you know what, Look I grant Rudy
the fact you shouldn't put your hands on anybody, right,
He shouldn't have patted him on the back, He shouldn't
have done anything. You want to call him a scumbag,
Look him right into the face, call him a scumbag,
very much like many people did to his son Andrew
as he stood up in front of like fifty sixty
people talking about running for governor. Here's a little bit
of a tidbit. I'm sure you and the brigaders been
never really thought of. Do you know why Rudy really
wanted Andrew to run for governor?
Speaker 2: Pardon exactly.
Speaker 3: It's all about. You cannot pardon Donald for a state crime.
You could only pardon him for a federal crime. It's
the governor who pardons you for the state crime. And
that's exactly what they were looking for. They were looking
for the ability to shut the age of the DA
down by using the office of the governor. And somewhere
they convinced each other that Andrew, who's a moron. I mean,
he's like as stupid as Eric.
Speaker 2: He had.
Speaker 3: Any sort of a fucking chance to forget about winning.
I mean, what was his showing, ten, twelve, fifteen percent,
whatever it was. I'd love to Saltie if you could
check that out. I'm curious to see how bad he
got his ass handed to him. You know, in that
race there was no shot. But the real reason that
they were looking to do it well, first of all.
Speaker 2: He needed a job.
Speaker 3: He's not working as a golf instructor at Trump's golf
course in Palos Verdes, California anymore. So you know, look,
if you think about it, Dan Scavino went from caddie
to general manager of Trump National Briarcliffe in Westchester, to
deputy chief of staff. Why can't Andrew go from golf
pro at Trump National Pollo's Verde to governor of New York.
I mean, he clearly knows the issues. I mean, right
listening to Calludy talking about you know Andrew in that way, boy,
this group of grifters are really something.
Speaker 1: By the way, Trump gave Andrew a job, and Andrew
was making close to two hundred k a year in
the Trump administration. Again, the grift persists. By the way,
my dad had told me a story recently. He was
on an airplane and of all people who sits next
to him, Rudy Giuliani came on the plane and had
the seat right next to my dad. And my dad
was like, oh my god, what do I do? Do
I move from this guy? I don't want to be
sitting next to him. And my dad just said that
he smelled.
Speaker 2: Like you're so badly.
Speaker 1: He was like, all right, the whole plane. He just
said it was the most vowel smell he had to
deal with for like six hours.
Speaker 2: And he was like, you ask your dad if he
smelled like urine.
Speaker 1: I didn't get into this specific scent. I would assume
it was a combination of urine and other things.
Speaker 3: But the reason why I explain that, and look, you know,
incontinence is no joke. And you know, whether you like
Rudy Caludy or not, which of course I don't. You know,
I don't wish. I don't wish bad health on anyone. However, uh,
there are people who I know who have sat next
to him, including when I was saying, you know, at
the restaurant, and people have said that, you know, there
is an odor that emanates from him that is almost
like dried urine, which you could vomit thinking about it,
you know, And I'm shocked that your father just didn't move,
you know.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there was any other seats to go to.
But what do you think about this new four thirty
Eastern time, one thirty Pacific time star time that we
were trying out this week. I think it gives some
of the people on the East coast they're getting back
from work. I think it works well, hopefully with some
I know it's late in Europe, but I still think
our European fans can catch it, and of course everybody
can see it after we go live. But I really
enjoy this time frame. I want to know what you
think if we should keep it. Let's hear from the
brigaders if you want us to keep this timeframe or not.
And I also want to by.
Speaker 3: The way, I think Salty turn around and checked what
I had asked. Twenty two percent is what Andrew got
as a vote twenty two percent, not really the showing
to be proud of, but at least he gave it
the good old shot.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right.
Speaker 1: And going from Rudy Giuliani to Tim Parlatory or whether
you want to talk about John Eastman or leanab all
these people, whatever, what do we say that MAGA stands
for right now? It's make attorneys get attorneys right now.
And we see this also with Tim Parlatory, one of
Donald Trump's lawyers who was leading the defense team in
connection with Special Counsel Jack Smith's criminal investigation regarding Donald
Trump's theft of the thousands of government records which he
concealed at marl Largo. And by the way, Cohen, ever,
since you said Mara Lardo, when I'm doing my hot
takes and my hits, I always say Mari Lardo instead
of mar Lago. And I spent the whole ten twenty
minutes yesterday like is it mar Largo?
Speaker 2: Margo Largo?
Speaker 1: And you're in my mind as I'm doing the as
I'm doing the hot takes.
Speaker 3: But you know what's really you know what's really funny too.
So mar A Lago, as people may know, was the
former home it was once an individuals home. It was
the home of Marjorie Merriweather Post from like post serials
and so on. They were obviously enormously enormously wealthy, but
that was her home. And you know, there were obviously
many many rooms which Donald had then later on converted
into hotel rooms and so on, but that was, at
one point in time, a single family home.
Speaker 2: Donald talks about marra A Lago at Mari Lardo.
Speaker 3: As if that is his that's his home that they
raided the FBI they raided my home. It is not
his home. It is a fucking social club. People pay
like three hundred thousand dollars in a bond in order
to be a member there. Po will come in on
a daily basis with their guests in order to swim
at the pool, in order to eat, in order to
hang out. It is a social club, and it's affiliated
to a golf course that he acquired down the road.
So the fact that he keeps calling it it's all
just part of the lie. It's all part of the
lie that Donald is this rich. You know, guy, look
at the size of this fucking house. The front of
the house is on the ocean, The back of the
house is on the inner coastal look at the you
know the acreage in between. I mean, it's a massive,
massive structure. In fact, I'll tell you who fucked up
in this specific case, and it's just a little bit
of the history. Lesson was Jimmy Carter, because when Marjorie
Merriweather Post passed away, she wanted the estate to be
given to the United States of America as the Winter
White House, which it would have been magnificent. The problem
is that the cost at the time to operate the
property was around a million dollars a year or a
little more than a million dollars a year, and he
felt that that would be wrong to impose upon the
American people an obligation of a million dollars a year
for this property to just have a Winter White House,
and he walked away from it, and Trump ended up
buying it in an estate sale. Could you imagine that
property should be and could have easily been a better
version of like a camp David.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting piece of history right there, and instead
of being a freaking crime scene that it is where
Donald Trump used to hide thousands of government records, including
sensitive compartmented information our nation's highest secretsified records, top secret records.
But his lawyer, Tim Parlatory at least of all of
the bs that Donald Trump spewed from a strictly legal perspective,
Parlatory at least knew the law and how to try
to negate the mental state element for the intent in
Donald Trump's substruction of justice and theft of these records,
and Parlatori's defense was basically this was he called it spillage,
and he blamed the White House staff and the General
Services Administration and said they turned it over to marl Largo,
mar a Lago. It should not have gone there in
the first place. Once it was there, then Donald Trump
tried to negotiate, but this was not intentional at all. Again,
total and utter bs right there, but at least on
the law, that is how you would trufically criminal defense
lawyer address it. Then Donald Trump gives the so called
town hall on CNN where he's I took what I took,
I took everything. It's mine, by the way.
Speaker 2: Fact.
Speaker 3: In fact, Ben and I think if Sophie can find
that clip, that would be something to show you how
this moron and why it's why all the lawyers around
him have told him, the less you say, the better
off that you are. He acknowledged taking the boxes. He
then goes on to say, we placed all the boxes
in front of the what let me let me do
it the right way. We placed all the boxes in
front of the White House.
Speaker 2: Everybody saw, everybody knew it, right.
Speaker 3: He is now damaging any opportunity that he would have
in order to claim that he did not know what
was inside the boxes, that there was no intent within
which to take the documents. He himself now acknowledges that
he did know what was in the boxes, that he
took the boxes, and he had the boxes brought tomorrow. Lardo,
this is again, by far, one of the dumbest things
that Donald could have done, and that's to open his mouth,
you know, at this town hall and spill the beans
on himself. I mean, no, you don't need whistleblowers with Donald.
You just got to give him a microphone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, could you imagine if there was a
document that Donald Trump sent that was uncovered by a
subpoena that said, Russia, if you are listening, I need
you to do that. If there was a text message
or a document that said that.
Speaker 2: We verbally said it, he verbally said it. It's equal,
it's the same thing. It's evidence.
Speaker 3: He just doesn't understand because Donald doesn't acknowledge accountability. He
doesn't believe that he is or should be held accountable
for anything. You know why, because he said this as well.
When you're the president, you like the king, you could
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he's getting his ass handed to him.
Speaker 2: In business.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know everything is down right, his hotel rentals,
he had to sell, you know, other stuff. You know,
that's all down and Jared now is pulling what is
it like a two and twenty on two billion dollars,
meaning that he gets was at forty million dollars every
January first, to turn the light on for this whatever
the hell fund that he's created that's funded by the
Saudi Crown.
Speaker 2: Prints.
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who's now front and center basically parroting what Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Political Beatdown. I'm benmcellis joined by Michael Cohen.
We're trying to feel out if this four thirty eastern
one thirty Pacific start time is great. We still got
the poll. Make sure you vote and whether or not
you think we should start at four thirty or in
earlier time when.
Speaker 2: We men, did you?
Speaker 3: Did you see my poll that I put out on Friday?
I put out a poll on Twitter and I think
it was like twelve thousand people responded to it. Should
I run for president in twenty twenty four against Joe Biden?
Should I put myself into the Democratic ticket? And I'll
tell you something. It's a lot of people. Eighty percent
said no, twenty percent said yes. Now I want to
I want to clarify something here. I was a little
impressed that eighty percent was not no, we don't want
you running. You shouldn't run for politics. It was more
of concern that I would end up being a spoiler,
that I would split the Democratic vote, which would then
give a benefit to Trump or DeSantis or whoever the
Republican nominee might be. And I respect that. And so
many of them said, instead, why don't you run for
mayor of New York. Why don't you run for you know,
sen or for governor? Right, do something, you know, because
just do something other than run for the president and
then run for the presidency. The reason I put out
that poll, and I and I want to be clear
about it. I get so tired of friends Democratic friends
that keep saying to me, eh, but Joe Biden's old.
Look how old he looks. You know, I don't think
he's all there. You know, he has dementia. Look at
how he walks.
Speaker 2: I say, bullshits that I happen to be a fan
of Joe Biden's. I really am all right.
Speaker 3: And to those people who are in the comments section
wondering if I was dissing on Jimmy Carter, no, I
was not all right. I have a lot of respect,
you know, for Jimmy Carter. You know, God bless his soul.
All I can say, you know is, you know a
lot of respect for that, you know, for that man.
But it bothers me when they say that, because when
dem Crats say that, it's parroting what the Republicans is saying,
and all it's doing is benefiting the other side. And
that's of course the Republicans, and it does look like
Donald Trump is going to be their nominee.
Speaker 2: Now, a poll came.
Speaker 3: Out that turned around and said, you know, in a
race today, you know, Joe Biden is beating Trump by
six or seven percentage points.
Speaker 2: Well, it's very early on right now.
Speaker 3: There's too many people that don't know all of the
incredible things that Joe Biden has accomplished in the over
two years that he's been in office, more more than
basically any other president at least a modern thought. I mean,
so many things, from the Affordable Care Act, with the
healthcare with lowering prices on pharmaceuticals, with you know, continuing
with the COVID package and making sure that the vaccine
gets into people's arms, to climate change. I mean, there's
so many things that he's done, but he doesn't get
the accolade that he deserves. And one of the things
that Joe Biden is not doing, he is not out
there fighting the way Republicans fight.
Speaker 2: So my thought was, well, what would be more epic?
Speaker 3: Can you imagine this, brigaders, What would be more epic
than Donald and I on a debate stage against one another.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the kind of shit that you pay.
Speaker 3: Money for right on a pay per view, because I
would never allow him to get away with the lies
and bullshit that he spews, whether it's a town hall
or a debate, I would never stand for it. And
I would speak openly, freely, raw, unfiltered, and I would
put him in his place because the guy, even after
four years as being president, doesn't know jack shit about anything.
Speaker 1: He'd be too big of a coward to even let
you have me be on the same stage with you.
I'll tell you that's for sure. Just I want to
go back briefly and close the loop on the Tim Parlatory.
So Tim Parlatory, donald Trump's lawyer, former lawyer who's now resigned.
He came up with the theory total bs. But probably
the best possible defense you can come up with is
that it was all a big mistake, and the documents
wound up in mar A Largo, through Marlaco.
Speaker 2: Through.
Speaker 1: A hectic exit, and then there were discussions, and it
should never have gone to the Department of Justice in
the first place. I completely disagree with that, but at
least in terms of a defense, it is a logical
defense versus the one that Donald Trump and his accolytes have,
which is the president's the emperor, he could steal and
do whatever. So Parlor Tory had sent a letter and
by the way, testified to the Grand jury back in
December of twenty twenty two, but wrote a letter very
recently to the House Intelligence Committee giving the defense that
I just talked about. Then Donald Trump, on the so
called town hall says this play the clip SALTI president
of if you got to come to your documents, did
you ever show those classified documents to anyone?
Speaker 9: Not?
Speaker 6: Really, I would have the right to, by the way
they would d me, Not that I can think of.
Speaker 3: Let me just tell you, I have the absolute right
to do whatever I want with them. I have, which
is a direct contexactly what I said before. This is
exactly in line with the notion that he believes a
president is a king, that the president can do whatever
he wants. And again, I wish to God that there
was a way that the two of us could be
on a debate stage, because I would explain to him
about how George the second Dot is really the creator
of what became the tripartheid system here in America, which
of course he doesn't understand, because the fool doesn't fucking read.
All right, you got to give it to him in crayon,
in bullet points. And he does not have the right
to show classified documents to somebody or anyone that he
wants as an ex president. As the former president, he
doesn't understand. A former president does not retain executive rights
that belongs to dark branded.
Speaker 2: All right, you have fucking dummy.
Speaker 3: So Donald, on this episode of Political Beatdown, you get
the two middle thing as you fucking dope. That's not
how the system works, all right, and you're not going
to change the system because the Constitution of the United
States of America is bigger than you. It's bigger than
anyone and everyone. And there's no way in the world
that I don't care if it's our political beatdown Brigador,
I don't care. If it's May of culp I don't
care if it's all of the mightis touch people.
Speaker 2: Politan, if it's you know, uh uh what you McCall it.
Speaker 3: Whether it's going to be Lincoln Project or Justice Matters
or any of the other you know groups out there.
We will never allow him to change our democracy into
an autocracy, which is exactly.
Speaker 2: How he's speaking. I would have the right to if
I wanted. I don't know if I did.
Speaker 3: At least he was smart enough not to come out
and say, of course I did, all right. Unfortunately for him,
there's a whistleblower in his midst that already told them,
and I wouldn't be shocked. Remember, our law enforcement is
the best in the world, and they know who he
showed shit to. That's why they called the Kalamaris, Matt
and Maddy Junior, you know, to Congress in order to
discuss the videotapes and especially the cameras outside of the
room that they had all of these documents in. They
know who saw them. I guarantee you not all of them,
but they certainly know that people had seen these documents
that Donald was not authorized to show. So on behalf
of all of us, Donald, you get the two middle things.
Speaker 1: My man and the Klamaris went before the Grand jury
in Washington, DC. I believe it was last week or
the week before that we talked about that on Political Beatdown.
I want to talk about this hearing that was held
today in the House of Representatives by the Maga Republicans
part of their BS subcommittee on the weaponization of the
Department of Justice is what they call it. It's a
hearing where they basically attack police officers, attack the FBI.
They want to defund and abolish the FBI simply because
and by the way, I'm fine sized the FBI by
no means is a perfect organization. The criticism, though, of
kind of valid criticism and versus where the Magga Republicans are.
The fact that the FBI is focused on domestic terrorism
right now and the Magga Republicans are aiding and embedding
domestic terrorism is the issue. So they called up not
real whistle blowers, but frankly fake whistleblowers, people who the
FBI and the Department of Justice do not recognize as whistleblowers.
These are individuals who had their security clearances removed because
they were sympathetic with January sixth insurrectionists, and they basically
either they tried to steal data from the FBI's internal systems,
or they were otherwise demonstrated to be to the FBI
espousing views of overthrowing our government in our democracy. So
that's why their security clearance was taken away. They now receive,
in their own words, charitable donations, payments from groups affiliated
with Donald Trump, and Cash Ptel. So these are the
individuals who the MAGA Republicans call in a hearing to
try to attack the FBI as part of their plan
to defund and abolish the FBI and to attack law enforcement.
But I want to give the Democrats credit this and
especially behind the strong leadership in the House of Representatives
of a Teem Jeffries, but of some of the superstar
freshmen like Dan Goldman, a former prosecutor now turned freshman
congress member from New York who's done an incredible job
calling out the BS using his prosecutorial skills. I want
to show you this cross exam that Goldman did of
these Republican witnesses who were paid by Cash Pattel, and
then get your thoughts, coll and play the clip.
Speaker 5: Well different questions we established earlier. Credibility matters, certainly for
witnesses who appear before us. Mister Boyle, do you know
what Cash Patel is I do. Have you received any
money from Cash Pattel or his organization? I have? When
you previously met with the majority members and or majority
staff of this committee, was Cash Hotel present for that meeting?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: To your knowledge. Has Cash Bartel ever spoken to the
committee members on your behalf? Not that I know of,
nothing you know of. Was anyone present for your previous
meetings with committee members and staff on the majority that
were not members of this committee or staff of this committee,
my council, your council, anyone else?
Speaker 10: I don't think so.
Speaker 5: Is Cash Hotel helping you finance your counsel?
Speaker 10: Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 5: Okay, mister friend, what about you? Do you know Cash
Hotel as well?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: And did you receive any money from Cash Hotel?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 10: He gave me a donation last November a donation. Yes?
Speaker 5: Are you a charitable organization?
Speaker 11: I was an unpaid he definitely suspended man trying to
feed his family and reached out to me and said
he wanted to give me a donation.
Speaker 5: Did he have any Was he present for any of
your meetings with committee members or staff? No? And how
many times did you meet with the committee members? Or
staff prior to your transcribed interview.
Speaker 11: I never met with them prior to my transcriptions.
Speaker 5: You speak to them on the phone, yes, okay, all right,
so you you spoke to them on the phone.
Speaker 10: Yes, I spoke to them on the phone. Corresponded.
Speaker 5: Did you provide documents?
Speaker 11: Yes, I gave them my written declaration.
Speaker 5: Did they ask you whether they could share that with
the minority?
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 11: At the time, I don't believe they were actually in
the majority.
Speaker 5: Did they ask you whether they could share the documents?
Speaker 10: I don't remember if they did or didn't.
Speaker 2: I want to Ben.
Speaker 3: Let me be very clear about something. One of the
reasons why they wanted to do to defund the FBI,
to destroy law enforcement, is because then there's nobody to
stop them in their quest. Think about if there was
no FBI, if there was no law enforcement our amazing, amazing,
you know, law enforcement here in this country. Could you
imagine none of these none of these matters. Whether it
would be the Marilardo documents, whether it be the January
sixth committee, whether it would be an Alvin Bragg or
an Attorney General, it would be the Fani Willis and Georgia,
none of these cases would exist because there would have
been nobody to investigate it and to bring those accountable,
you know, to justice. And when I say to bring
those accountable to justice, I'm referring to those in power.
I'm not referring to you and me and the brigaders
and the rest of America, where just the schlepprocks at
the bottom right who basically want to you know, become
ghosts so that the administration, that the corrupt administration, stays
away from us. That's really what it would be about.
But they would be free to run am up to
keep doing the things that like Kushner is doing by
selling out the country to Saudi Arabia or to other
Gulf Coast countries so that he could add money to
his hedge fund, you know, to allow someone like Jamal
Kosogi to be killed, dismembered American citizen, all right, without repercussion.
Speaker 2: This is all wrong.
Speaker 3: And that's what they're trying to do. So good for
Dan Goldman. You know, look, I've been questioned by Dan.
He is one smart guy. But you know, you also
got guys like Jamie Reskin out there. You have, you know,
other guys like Steve Cohen that get up and they
speak truth to power. They don't care, you know, either
side thet They're not always you know, fluffy to Joe
Biden either. You know, they respect him because he is
our president. He's also a Democrat, so they are more
respectful certainly than Marjorie Toilet Green or or the Josh Hawley's,
Matt Gates's, Ted Cruz's and when they talk about Joe
Biden at the end of at the end of the
day here, I do believe that accountability is coming, I
really do. I believe Kushner will be held accountable. I
believe Donald will be held accountable for his multiple multiple issues.
I believe even you know, even Marjorie Taylor Green, I
believe will be held accountable. And one way that we,
the brigaders, can actually hold them accountable is to vote
their fucking asses out of office. All right, come twenty
twenty four, vote blue. Get your friends, bring them here,
let them hear truth to power, Let them hear the
raw and unfiltered conversation that Ben and I provide, you know,
twice a week to you. Maybe we'll go even more,
you know, depending, but we need our brigaders to help
to bring more people here so that we could implore them.
This is all about putting together a group of people
so that come twenty twenty four, our voices are not
ignored anywhere in the United States, and people like Marjorie
Taylor Green, like George Santos should never ever be permitted
to wear right the congressional pin, to don the congressional
pin around their necker on their lapels ever.
Speaker 1: Because I'll leave you with this, here's the world that
they want to create. They want to create a system
that looks like their kangaroo style court judiciary hearings where
evidence doesn't matter, where you just defeme people with accusations,
and they don't want to follow rules and order and
facts and evidence. Watch Dan Goldman call them out for
that today.
Speaker 9: Play this clip, jam And it's my understanding, what's what's
your what's your what's your what do you is?
Speaker 2: You're making a point of order.
Speaker 12: I'm asking you a question, okay, a point of inquiry.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 12: It's my understanding that the minority in this committee, under
the rules, is entitled to the same testimony, information documents
that the majority is entitled to.
Speaker 10: So I mean, I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 12: Aware that you're able to withhold information from the minority
that we would need to use to prepare for when.
Speaker 9: It comes to whistleblowers, you're not. And I would just
I would just remind the Kings to remind everyone. Look,
when it comes to whistle blowers, you're not.
Speaker 5: That's not right.
Speaker 2: It's it's shocking that the just right.
Speaker 9: It's shocking that the gentleman so much about the whistleblower.
It's shocking that the gentleman we had when you were
part of the investigation.
Speaker 2: German people at once regular order.
Speaker 9: I recognizes I'm inquiring and I was not. I've told
you that when it comes to whistleblowers, you were not
entitled to it.
Speaker 2: That's an individ question of mister.
Speaker 12: Allen, INDIVIDID have been determined need not to be whistleblowers.
These are not whistleblowers. They've been determined by the agency
not to be whistleblowers. Are you deciding that they're whistleblowers?
Speaker 1: And that is a democratic right there, congress Member Washington,
she's incredible. Also, we want a system of law and order.
We want a system of facts, we want a system
of evidence. That is what we need here and not
this maga Republican nonsense, and we will keep on telling
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