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Speaker 1: Welcome to Political beat Down with Michael Cohen.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ben my cellas.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the best times I have all week.

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I just want to let you know, Michael Cohen, how

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much I look forward to spending this time with you,

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with all of the Brigaders and the mightas Mighty out there,

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and we have a lot to discuss. You kind of

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teased us during our last show on Tuesday, Cohen, where

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you told us about two important court hearings that would

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be taking place. Technically, one wasn't a court hearing. There

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was a mediation in the dispute that you have in

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a lawsuit filed against Trump and the Trump organization over

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legal fees and expenses. I want to hear how that went.

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And I also want to hear about the discovery conference

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in the federal lawsuit. This is the five hundred million

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dollar bs but nonetheless still a lot of money in

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the lawsuit that Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Is It's a lot of money if you lose.

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Speaker 1: That's in the Southern District of Florida, where you've already

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filed a motion to dismiss. So give us the update.

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The Brigaders have been anxiously awaiting Michael Cohen.

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Speaker 2: Alrighty, so, Brigaders, here's what happened.

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Speaker 3: The Florida case was actually a meet and confer with

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Trump's council in order to establish the discovery plan.

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Speaker 2: That's all that it was.

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Speaker 3: It was not a lengthy conversation between councils. Only then

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they submit that to the judge's This.

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Speaker 2: Is I mean, it's just it's fantastic. You know.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he set himself up whereby as the plaintiff, he

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can't excuse being deposed. And if any of you saw

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that wonderful deposition that he had provided in the Egene

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Carroll case, you could only imagine how much worse that

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this one is going to be, especially considering the quality

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of my counsel in this case. I mean not that ROBERTA.

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Kaplin is not fantastic.

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Speaker 2: She is.

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Speaker 3: However, you know the topic that I have in the

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fact that he has been fighting this for four years,

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He's made more than a half a dozen different claims

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about it, between Donyak every my attorney, and Ben Brodsky

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and Florida. You know, I can only wish that I

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can somehow sell the deposition, the live the video deposition

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on a paywall or a pay per view, because I

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think that would more than pay the five hundred million

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dollars if in fact that you know, somehow this thing

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managed to work out for him, that's how great it

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would be. It's such a stupid case. It was stupid

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for him to bring it. It was stupid for the

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lawyer to allow him to bring it. And obviously wait

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till you see some of our newest papers that are

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going to be filed, possibly by tomorrow. If not tomorrow,

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it'll be by monday. So there's a lot of stuff

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going on as for yesterday.

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Speaker 1: If it's a hint though, what those papers even relate to.

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Speaker 2: Is it a motion?

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Speaker 1: Is it a protect Any hints we can.

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Speaker 2: Get, Well, it's a it'll be Uh.

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Speaker 3: Actually I prefer at this point not to do it

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because the short there's you know, there's there's a lot

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that's going on here. But I promise you will tried.

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I try accountability. It's all about accountability.

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Speaker 2: On the other matter. You know, this is for legal fees.

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They've already conceded the liability. Uh.

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Speaker 3: That took place a while ago. This case has been

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going on since twenty nineteen. You know, I had a

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non binding mediation which is required in the commercial part

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here in New York in the courts, and so met

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with a fantastic judge.

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Speaker 2: You know, we sat down.

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Speaker 3: It was about five hours that we were there, and

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as part of this non binding mediation, you know, there

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was some dollars that were discussed.

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Speaker 2: But by the end of the mediation, the goal.

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Speaker 3: Is now for Trump's Council here in New York to

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go back to Trump Org and get them to put

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let's just say, a different number on the case, because again,

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this is a case of damages and the damages are

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very easy to prove. Just bring out the bills.

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Speaker 1: So going back to the federal lawsuit that Donald Trump

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filed against you in the Federal court in the Southern

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District of Florida, as you mentioned, by filing that case

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as the plaintiff, Donald Trump has now opened the door

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to a lot of discovery. This includes written discovery requests

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like requests for production of documents in derogatories, request for admission,

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but also a deposition. And there's conflicting allegations that Donald

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Trump makes about you, besides the fact that it's all

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barred by the Statute of Limitations and completely and utterly

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bs But on the one hand, he's accusing you of

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breaching fiduciary obligations. On the other hand, he's accusing you

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of lying about him. He doesn't call it defamation, knowing

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that he will likely be hit for attorney's fees on

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an anti slat motion, so he tries to dress it

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up as something else. But he's accusing you of being

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a liar in connection with your cooperation in legal proceedings.

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And doesn't that now open him up in a deposition

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where he could be questioned about his criminal conduct? And

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don't you think people like Special Counsel Jack Smith, the

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District Attorney, the New York Attorney General's Office, the Fulton

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County District Attorney, aren't they going to be very interested

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in this deposition?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I would be right. I can tell

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you for sure that our brigaders would definitely be interested

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in you know, seeing this videotaped deposition, there is nothing

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that is off the table so long as it relates

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to the let's see how many page complaints is as

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I forget it's into the thirties, Yeah, thirty thirty two

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page document. Whatever is in that document, he's open to

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fair question. And you know you can't take the fifth

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in this This isn't a criminal proceeding. This is a

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civil proceeding that he brought.

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Speaker 2: So it's not as if he's gonna be able to

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turn around and say, well, you know, I have to

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take the fifth on this one. You know, same answer,

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same answer, fifth, take the fifth. Fifth. It just doesn't

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work that way.

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Speaker 1: And I'm right, I think in my central premise though,

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that he opened the door on those topics. Though right

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where I suppose that, you know, hypothetically your lawyers would

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be asking him questions that relate to his criminal conduct,

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I might generally.

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Speaker 3: Right, I have to ask him questions that ultimately destroy

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the allegations that he has raised against me. Well, here's

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a little factoi that you learn first year law school.

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Right when it comes to defamation, the defense to defamation

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is veracity.

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Speaker 2: It's truth.

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Speaker 3: And so if I have to defeat a on the

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motion to dismiss the averment the claim that I lied,

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or that I defamed him, or that I told an

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untruth about him, well, I don't know, Uh, do I

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not get to question him about specific topics that would

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prove what I'm saying happens.

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Speaker 2: To be accurate?

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Speaker 3: Because the accuracy of the response that he would have

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to give, because I already know the answers right is

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exactly what I just said is the defense to defamation,

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which again you're right about that. Then he did not

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plead it. He makes these very very broad, overgeneralized sort of.

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Speaker 2: Comments.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked, to be honest with you, if

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the judge in this specific case makes them re plead

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the averments of this complaint on several different grounds, including

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the parts about me defaming him without raising a claim

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of defamation.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm hopeful the judge will dismiss it with prejudice,

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but as you know, oftentimes in these federal cases, they

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will grant at least one attempt for leave to amend.

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But oftentimes when you look at these motion to dismiss orders,

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the writings on the wall. So we'll be following that

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and I look forward to when that deposition takes place,

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you know, same week, Rudy Giuliani sued again, this time

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in federal court. On our Tuesday episode of Political Beatdown,

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we talked about this really really serious lawsuit brought against

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him for engaging in despicable conduct. It's a sexual assault

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claim brought by someone who worked for him as his assistant.

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The individual in that case attached her text messages with

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him where he talked about I want to shower with

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you and a horrific and disgusting thing.

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Speaker 3: So the young lady that brought the lawsuit Ben is

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his former assistant, a young lady by the name of

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Noel Dunfie.

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Speaker 2: And this is a woman who was by his side,

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who rudy very similar to what we all saw in

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the barat in the Borot clip.

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Speaker 3: You know, I love that wait to go salty, all right,

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I mean, come on, give me a break. This is

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the same sort of bullshit that he was pulling on

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miss Dunfie. And you know, he is a groper.

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Speaker 2: He is a you know, just a creeper.

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Speaker 3: And she now lays it out in a series of

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specific instances. But there's also another part here that I

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think is also catching the attention not just of the press,

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but also of potentially Southern District of New York Attorney

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General or the district Attorney.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one would be the ones to

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go after him on.

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Speaker 3: But there are allegations that she has raised about the

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selling of pardons for two plus million dollars to the

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extent that she has information, text messages, emails, recordings. This

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is the kind of shit that both and I'm not

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talking about just the pardons. I'm talking about also the

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sexual assaults. This is the kind of shit that you

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go to prison for and you're not popular in prison

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as a sexual abuser. This is a real problem for

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a lot of people. I mean, you know, many of

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the inmates have daughters, sisters, moms, right, cousins, neighbors that

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they care about. And this creeper is not going to

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do it. I mean one thing for certain. They'll use

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him as a punching bag for a multitude of reasons.

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But not only was he sexually abusing this young lady,

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but they're selling pardons and he told her to find

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this is, according to the complaint, to go find people

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who are looking for pardons willing to pay at least

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two million dollars. And part of the requirement is that

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they not have filed requests under the to the Office

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of the Pardon, so that there would be no existing

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documentation on them that could be Foyer requested. And you know, Ben,

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how much and so do my brigade, My brigaders that.

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Speaker 2: Have been around for a while. You know how I

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feel about that for your office. All right, we'll talk

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about that in a second. Two. But this is criminal.

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Speaker 3: Shit to a level that we have not seen, I

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think ever in US. I mean in US history. We

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haven't seen this sort of shit ever go on where

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the administration. Because they talk about how the money would

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be split between Giuliani and Trump.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is crazy shit, my friends.

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Speaker 1: No, these are very serious allegations. And while these allegations

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are being made in that lawsuit, you still have Donald

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Trump bragging and saying that if he were to be

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elected again, one of the first things he would do

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is part in the January sixth insurrectionists. He says he

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would pardon the terrorists. And we're going to talk a

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little bit as well in this episode and a little

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bit we'll talk about these ridiculous hearings. What a kangaroo

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court you No, let's not.

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Speaker 3: Let's not jump off this pardon thing for a second,

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ben if we can stay with it, and I'm going

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to tell you why. First and foremost, you know, there

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is a presumption that crime is not supposed to pay.

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Speaker 2: If you know that, you.

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Speaker 3: Can buy a pardon via Rudy Kaludi, drunken Juliani. You

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could buy it via Jared Kushner. You could buy it

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by getting somehow connected into Trump. Well, you could really

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make crime pay. There are several cases of pardons where

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you know, people had stolen like a billion dollars, hundreds

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of millions of dollars. Yeah, it makes a lot of

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sense to steal hundreds of millions of dollars if all

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you need to do is pay two three, four five

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million in order to get a pardon, and you still

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get to keep the rest of the money.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not how the system is supposed to work.

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Speaker 3: People get pardons because they deserve them, because they have

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done their time. Because and these people did not do

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their time, there was plenty of time left for each

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of them. I mean, there are several of these cases

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that if you google you'll read about them that these

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people had I mean, some had, you know, double digits fifteen,

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twenty thirty years and they were able to for a

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couple of million dollars by their way, you know, by

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the way out of prison and a pardon. This is

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so wrong on so many levels. And my favorite line

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of this whole thing is when Kushner was questioned about

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the January sixth insurrection, you may remember this brigadeers. He

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turned around and he said to Congress that I had

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nothing to do with the January sixth insurrection. I was

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not involved because I was busy working on part Now,

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all of a sudden, Jared Kushner, the secretary of Everything,

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is on top of working Middle Eastern peace and dealing

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with Mohammad Ben Salman and everything else in between. Now

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he's also running the part in office. What about all

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the people that had been there for weeks or months

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or years. Some of these people have been there all

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four years and more working on pardons. All of a sudden,

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Jared the genius steps in and takes over. This is bullshit.

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This is absolutely ripe for an investigation by the Inspector

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General by Congress. And the fact that Merrick Garland right

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now has not already gone on television and so should

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and so should Joe Biden, show that this shit cannot stand.

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Speaker 2: It is not permitted.

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Speaker 3: That you'll have people who are part of the administration

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as high as the office.

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Speaker 2: Of the President. I didn't see selling pardons.

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Speaker 3: This needs to be investigated and the dealj needs to

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investigate it now.

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Speaker 1: Well, clearly the MAGA Republican controlled House of Representatives, they're

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focused on abolishing the FBI, abolishing the VA, abolishing the IRS,

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trying to impeach everybody, defaming everybody. That's what they're folks.

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And we'll talk about that in a little bit. But

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let's talk about this other lawsuit against Giuliani. Daniel Gill,

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who was the grocery store employee in Staten Island who

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was at this grocery store when Rudy Giuliani showed up right.

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This was just after the Dobbs decision overturning Roevwaight, where

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people like Giuliani were bragging about that decision. Giuliani was

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there for the vanity campaign of his loser son, and

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he was in the shop right. There was kind of

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a meet and greet and this shopright employee, who since

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lost his job as a result of this, Daniel Gill

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goes over to it.

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Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, and all of a sudden,

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I feel a shot.

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Speaker 1: Let me show you the video right now. It was

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just a pat on the back and he said, what's up, scumbag,

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and then walked away and then, in typical Maga fashion.

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Rudy Giuliani played the victim, tried to bring the did

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bring the police, and if they charged Daniel Gill with

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a felony spent twenty one hours in prison as a

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result of this. Once the video emerged, they reduced the

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felony charge to a misdemeanor, but Giuliani had the police

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file an elder abuse charge based on this, saying that

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he was assaulted and attacked and it was like being

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shot in the back, is what Juliani said.

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Speaker 5: Your plays.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I felt this terrible pain running down.

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Speaker 4: My back, and all of a sudden, I feel a

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shot on my back, like somebody shot me. I went forward,

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but luckily I didn't fall down. Lucky, I'm a seventy

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eight year old is in pretty good shape, because if

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I wasn't, I'd hit the ground and probably cracked my skull.

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Speaker 1: I think we have another clip too, coin I'll show you.

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This is from one of these right wing echo chamber

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interviews that he did with Thank you.

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Speaker 2: He's in such great shape.

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Speaker 3: He's in the same shape as the penguin in the

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original Batman with Michael Keaton.

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Speaker 5: I'm seeing, dude, I didn't know he was as good.

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Speaker 6: I really didn't. And his his brass for the issues,

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particularly the issue of prime and the autonomy that is remarking,

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and the main thing that he has is passion.

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Speaker 5: Amos.

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Speaker 7: Hey, mister mayor, is somebody mowing the lawn right outside

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your window?

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Speaker 3: I can barely hear you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're at a big rally. We're at a big

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rally in Staten Island, right around the corner from where

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I was attacked yesterday.

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Speaker 7: We have that Actually you were at a I guess

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of some kind. I'm going to show the people what happened,

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and you tell me because let me see the video.

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If you don't mind, Uh, this person with a hand

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on your back. I gotta be honest, it doesn't look

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that bad, but I understand that looks to be deceived.

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Speaker 6: You know that that was That was the woman who

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was rubbing my back, not the guy who in it

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that you watching. So the woman, that woman, uh gave

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a statement to the police that the guy hit me

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so hard that she herself almost fell from the reverberation

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of it.

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Speaker 2: She's a city worker.

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Speaker 6: There's a second grade detective that that's that's the lady

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who helped.

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Speaker 2: Me all right, good now, that makes sense.

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Speaker 8: Uh, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: They're just liars.

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Speaker 3: Oh look what did we expect from KALOUDI right, we

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expected him to tell the truth. The guy lies with impunity,

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just like his dear old boss, the guy who all

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of a sudden decided to accept him into the inner

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circle he never existed before. This is Rudy's ability to

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garner some attention all of us. Oh my god, thank god,

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I'm in such great shape. First, let me tell you

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something I've seen Kaloudy.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: First of all, he could barely lift his arms in

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order to put a fork to his mouth. I've sat

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next to him at a restaurant at Fresco watching him.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he's morbidly obese.

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Speaker 3: He schleps his right leg, you know, as if he's

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got some sort of neurological deficit. And on top of that,

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he is not in good shape. All right, He's just not.

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I mean, I'll tell you who's in good shape. Joe

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Biden's in good shape. I'd like to see Rudy on

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a bicycle. I'd like to see Rudy, you know, jog

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or do something other than again, you know, schlep himself

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from restaurant restaurant, you know what, pound down on some

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scotch or vino. This is, this is so fucking crazy.

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The guy touched him on the back and did call

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him a scumbag, all right. This was right after the

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road to see which truth. You know, since we're going

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to talk about right as we did before. You know,

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what's the uh you know what's the defense to defamation

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is veracity. Yeah, Rudy, you're a fucking scumbag, all right

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for turning around and for agreeing that the road decision

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should be you know, should be overturned using of course dobbs.

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I mean, the guy tapped him on the back.

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Speaker 2: We all saw it.

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Speaker 3: And yet yet Fox and others and Rudy continued to

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do this, and that they filed an action, right that

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they filed the police report, which to me, if I

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was looking at this, I don't care what the you know,

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when the police showed up, I would be calling for

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a sergeant or a lieutenant and I would make them

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take notice of exactly the way this guy patted him

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or touched his back. I mean, this is just pure bullshit.

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This is Rudy using who he is or who he

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was right in order to go after somebody who he

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knew was an anti Trumper because he called Rudy a scumbag.

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This was just retaliation. It's exactly a Trump play. It's

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a Trump move. Retaliate against anyone that sees things differently

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than you. And you know what, Look I grant Rudy

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the fact you shouldn't put your hands on anybody, right,

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He shouldn't have patted him on the back, He shouldn't

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have done anything. You want to call him a scumbag,

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Look him right into the face, call him a scumbag,

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very much like many people did to his son Andrew

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as he stood up in front of like fifty sixty

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people talking about running for governor. Here's a little bit

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of a tidbit. I'm sure you and the brigaders been

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never really thought of. Do you know why Rudy really

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wanted Andrew to run for governor?

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Speaker 2: Pardon exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's all about. You cannot pardon Donald for a state crime.

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You could only pardon him for a federal crime. It's

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the governor who pardons you for the state crime. And

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that's exactly what they were looking for. They were looking

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for the ability to shut the age of the DA

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down by using the office of the governor. And somewhere

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they convinced each other that Andrew, who's a moron. I mean,

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he's like as stupid as Eric.

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Speaker 2: He had.

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Speaker 3: Any sort of a fucking chance to forget about winning.

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I mean, what was his showing, ten, twelve, fifteen percent,

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whatever it was. I'd love to Saltie if you could

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check that out. I'm curious to see how bad he

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got his ass handed to him. You know, in that

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race there was no shot. But the real reason that

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they were looking to do it well, first of all.

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Speaker 2: He needed a job.

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Speaker 3: He's not working as a golf instructor at Trump's golf

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course in Palos Verdes, California anymore. So you know, look,

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if you think about it, Dan Scavino went from caddie

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to general manager of Trump National Briarcliffe in Westchester, to

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deputy chief of staff. Why can't Andrew go from golf

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pro at Trump National Pollo's Verde to governor of New York.

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I mean, he clearly knows the issues. I mean, right

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listening to Calludy talking about you know Andrew in that way, boy,

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this group of grifters are really something.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Trump gave Andrew a job, and Andrew

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was making close to two hundred k a year in

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the Trump administration. Again, the grift persists. By the way,

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my dad had told me a story recently. He was

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on an airplane and of all people who sits next

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to him, Rudy Giuliani came on the plane and had

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the seat right next to my dad. And my dad

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was like, oh my god, what do I do? Do

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I move from this guy? I don't want to be

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sitting next to him. And my dad just said that

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he smelled.

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Speaker 2: Like you're so badly.

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Speaker 1: He was like, all right, the whole plane. He just

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said it was the most vowel smell he had to

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deal with for like six hours.

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Speaker 2: And he was like, you ask your dad if he

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smelled like urine.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get into this specific scent. I would assume

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it was a combination of urine and other things.

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Speaker 3: But the reason why I explain that, and look, you know,

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incontinence is no joke. And you know, whether you like

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Rudy Caludy or not, which of course I don't. You know,

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I don't wish. I don't wish bad health on anyone. However, uh,

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there are people who I know who have sat next

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to him, including when I was saying, you know, at

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the restaurant, and people have said that, you know, there

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is an odor that emanates from him that is almost

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like dried urine, which you could vomit thinking about it,

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you know, And I'm shocked that your father just didn't move,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there was any other seats to go to.

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But what do you think about this new four thirty

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Eastern time, one thirty Pacific time star time that we

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were trying out this week. I think it gives some

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of the people on the East coast they're getting back

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from work. I think it works well, hopefully with some

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I know it's late in Europe, but I still think

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our European fans can catch it, and of course everybody

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can see it after we go live. But I really

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enjoy this time frame. I want to know what you

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think if we should keep it. Let's hear from the

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brigaders if you want us to keep this timeframe or not.

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And I also want to by.

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Speaker 3: The way, I think Salty turn around and checked what

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I had asked. Twenty two percent is what Andrew got

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as a vote twenty two percent, not really the showing

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to be proud of, but at least he gave it

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the good old shot.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And going from Rudy Giuliani to Tim Parlatory or whether

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you want to talk about John Eastman or leanab all

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these people, whatever, what do we say that MAGA stands

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for right now? It's make attorneys get attorneys right now.

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And we see this also with Tim Parlatory, one of

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Donald Trump's lawyers who was leading the defense team in

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connection with Special Counsel Jack Smith's criminal investigation regarding Donald

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Trump's theft of the thousands of government records which he

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concealed at marl Largo. And by the way, Cohen, ever,

477
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since you said Mara Lardo, when I'm doing my hot

478
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takes and my hits, I always say Mari Lardo instead

479
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of mar Lago. And I spent the whole ten twenty

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minutes yesterday like is it mar Largo?

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Speaker 2: Margo Largo?

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Speaker 1: And you're in my mind as I'm doing the as

483
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I'm doing the hot takes.

484
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Speaker 3: But you know what's really you know what's really funny too.

485
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So mar A Lago, as people may know, was the

486
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former home it was once an individuals home. It was

487
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the home of Marjorie Merriweather Post from like post serials

488
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and so on. They were obviously enormously enormously wealthy, but

489
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,279
that was her home. And you know, there were obviously

490
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many many rooms which Donald had then later on converted

491
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into hotel rooms and so on, but that was, at

492
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one point in time, a single family home.

493
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Speaker 2: Donald talks about marra A Lago at Mari Lardo.

494
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Speaker 3: As if that is his that's his home that they

495
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raided the FBI they raided my home. It is not

496
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his home. It is a fucking social club. People pay

497
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:58,559
like three hundred thousand dollars in a bond in order

498
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,880
to be a member there. Po will come in on

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a daily basis with their guests in order to swim

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at the pool, in order to eat, in order to

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00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,279
hang out. It is a social club, and it's affiliated

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to a golf course that he acquired down the road.

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So the fact that he keeps calling it it's all

504
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:21,480
just part of the lie. It's all part of the

505
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,279
lie that Donald is this rich. You know, guy, look

506
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,720
at the size of this fucking house. The front of

507
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,160
the house is on the ocean, The back of the

508
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house is on the inner coastal look at the you

509
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know the acreage in between. I mean, it's a massive,

510
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massive structure. In fact, I'll tell you who fucked up

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in this specific case, and it's just a little bit

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of the history. Lesson was Jimmy Carter, because when Marjorie

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Merriweather Post passed away, she wanted the estate to be

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given to the United States of America as the Winter

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White House, which it would have been magnificent. The problem

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is that the cost at the time to operate the

517
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property was around a million dollars a year or a

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little more than a million dollars a year, and he

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00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,799
felt that that would be wrong to impose upon the

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American people an obligation of a million dollars a year

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00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,000
for this property to just have a Winter White House,

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and he walked away from it, and Trump ended up

523
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,880
buying it in an estate sale. Could you imagine that

524
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,920
property should be and could have easily been a better

525
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version of like a camp David.

526
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting piece of history right there, and instead

527
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,640
of being a freaking crime scene that it is where

528
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,359
Donald Trump used to hide thousands of government records, including

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sensitive compartmented information our nation's highest secretsified records, top secret records.

530
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,000
But his lawyer, Tim Parlatory at least of all of

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00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:10,599
the bs that Donald Trump spewed from a strictly legal perspective,

532
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,519
Parlatory at least knew the law and how to try

533
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:19,400
to negate the mental state element for the intent in

534
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,960
Donald Trump's substruction of justice and theft of these records,

535
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,279
and Parlatori's defense was basically this was he called it spillage,

536
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,440
and he blamed the White House staff and the General

537
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,720
Services Administration and said they turned it over to marl Largo,

538
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,480
mar a Lago. It should not have gone there in

539
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:41,319
the first place. Once it was there, then Donald Trump

540
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:45,200
tried to negotiate, but this was not intentional at all. Again,

541
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,680
total and utter bs right there, but at least on

542
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:53,960
the law, that is how you would trufically criminal defense

543
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,480
lawyer address it. Then Donald Trump gives the so called

544
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,000
town hall on CNN where he's I took what I took,

545
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,000
I took everything. It's mine, by the way.

546
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:03,279
Speaker 2: Fact.

547
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: In fact, Ben and I think if Sophie can find

548
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,799
that clip, that would be something to show you how

549
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,440
this moron and why it's why all the lawyers around

550
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,720
him have told him, the less you say, the better

551
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:22,119
off that you are. He acknowledged taking the boxes. He

552
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,720
then goes on to say, we placed all the boxes

553
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:27,119
in front of the what let me let me do

554
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,880
it the right way. We placed all the boxes in

555
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front of the White House.

556
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: Everybody saw, everybody knew it, right.

557
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,519
Speaker 3: He is now damaging any opportunity that he would have

558
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in order to claim that he did not know what

559
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was inside the boxes, that there was no intent within

560
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,480
which to take the documents. He himself now acknowledges that

561
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he did know what was in the boxes, that he

562
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took the boxes, and he had the boxes brought tomorrow. Lardo,

563
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,000
this is again, by far, one of the dumbest things

564
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:08,639
that Donald could have done, and that's to open his mouth,

565
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,000
you know, at this town hall and spill the beans

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on himself. I mean, no, you don't need whistleblowers with Donald.

567
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,239
You just got to give him a microphone.

568
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, could you imagine if there was a

569
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document that Donald Trump sent that was uncovered by a

570
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subpoena that said, Russia, if you are listening, I need

571
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you to do that. If there was a text message

572
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or a document that said that.

573
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Speaker 2: We verbally said it, he verbally said it. It's equal,

574
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it's the same thing. It's evidence.

575
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Speaker 3: He just doesn't understand because Donald doesn't acknowledge accountability. He

576
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doesn't believe that he is or should be held accountable

577
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for anything. You know why, because he said this as well.

578
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:02,039
When you're the president, you like the king, you could

579
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do whatever you want. No, you fucking fool. No, you're

580
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the president of the United States. You're the president for

581
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,519
all the American people, not just for your supporters, you

582
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,440
twenty eight percent, not just for your family, so that

583
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you could grift off the country and pocket money on

584
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your behalf, or ensure that when you finish office that

585
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,199
there's going to be two billion dollars waiting for your

586
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son in law, which I've heard through the grapevine from

587
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,199
mutual friends. He ain't happy about, by the way, because

588
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,360
he's getting his ass handed to him.

589
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: In business.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know everything is down right, his hotel rentals,

591
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,639
he had to sell, you know, other stuff. You know,

592
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,400
that's all down and Jared now is pulling what is

593
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,840
it like a two and twenty on two billion dollars,

594
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,920
meaning that he gets was at forty million dollars every

595
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:02,000
January first, to turn the light on for this whatever

596
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:06,480
the hell fund that he's created that's funded by the

597
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Saudi Crown.

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Speaker 2: Prints.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk more about this resignation of Tim Parlatory.

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What Trump's now another one of Trump's lawyer's, Jim Trusty,

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who's now front and center basically parroting what Donald Trump

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had just said. It's implications on Special Counsel Jack Smith's

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criminal investigation. We'll talk about that and more right after

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Political Beatdown. I'm benmcellis joined by Michael Cohen.

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We're trying to feel out if this four thirty eastern

686
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one thirty Pacific start time is great. We still got

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the poll. Make sure you vote and whether or not

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you think we should start at four thirty or in

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earlier time when.

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Speaker 2: We men, did you?

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Speaker 3: Did you see my poll that I put out on Friday?

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I put out a poll on Twitter and I think

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it was like twelve thousand people responded to it. Should

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I run for president in twenty twenty four against Joe Biden?

695
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Should I put myself into the Democratic ticket? And I'll

696
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tell you something. It's a lot of people. Eighty percent

697
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,119
said no, twenty percent said yes. Now I want to

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I want to clarify something here. I was a little

699
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impressed that eighty percent was not no, we don't want

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you running. You shouldn't run for politics. It was more

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of concern that I would end up being a spoiler,

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that I would split the Democratic vote, which would then

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give a benefit to Trump or DeSantis or whoever the

704
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Republican nominee might be. And I respect that. And so

705
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many of them said, instead, why don't you run for

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mayor of New York. Why don't you run for you know,

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sen or for governor? Right, do something, you know, because

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just do something other than run for the president and

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then run for the presidency. The reason I put out

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that poll, and I and I want to be clear

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about it. I get so tired of friends Democratic friends

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that keep saying to me, eh, but Joe Biden's old.

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Look how old he looks. You know, I don't think

714
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,239
he's all there. You know, he has dementia. Look at

715
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,000
how he walks.

716
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: I say, bullshits that I happen to be a fan

717
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,880
of Joe Biden's. I really am all right.

718
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: And to those people who are in the comments section

719
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,280
wondering if I was dissing on Jimmy Carter, no, I

720
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,000
was not all right. I have a lot of respect,

721
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,719
you know, for Jimmy Carter. You know, God bless his soul.

722
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,920
All I can say, you know is, you know a

723
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,079
lot of respect for that, you know, for that man.

724
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,639
But it bothers me when they say that, because when

725
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:04,320
dem Crats say that, it's parroting what the Republicans is saying,

726
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:08,960
and all it's doing is benefiting the other side. And

727
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,800
that's of course the Republicans, and it does look like

728
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,159
Donald Trump is going to be their nominee.

729
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,079
Speaker 2: Now, a poll came.

730
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,519
Speaker 3: Out that turned around and said, you know, in a

731
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,119
race today, you know, Joe Biden is beating Trump by

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00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,440
six or seven percentage points.

733
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Speaker 2: Well, it's very early on right now.

734
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: There's too many people that don't know all of the

735
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,639
incredible things that Joe Biden has accomplished in the over

736
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,360
two years that he's been in office, more more than

737
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,199
basically any other president at least a modern thought. I mean,

738
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,159
so many things, from the Affordable Care Act, with the

739
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:58,199
healthcare with lowering prices on pharmaceuticals, with you know, continuing

740
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,280
with the COVID package and making sure that the vaccine

741
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,039
gets into people's arms, to climate change. I mean, there's

742
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,039
so many things that he's done, but he doesn't get

743
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,320
the accolade that he deserves. And one of the things

744
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,559
that Joe Biden is not doing, he is not out

745
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:19,800
there fighting the way Republicans fight.

746
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,559
Speaker 2: So my thought was, well, what would be more epic?

747
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:27,599
Speaker 3: Can you imagine this, brigaders, What would be more epic

748
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:32,599
than Donald and I on a debate stage against one another.

749
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the kind of shit that you pay.

750
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: Money for right on a pay per view, because I

751
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,599
would never allow him to get away with the lies

752
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:46,760
and bullshit that he spews, whether it's a town hall

753
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,119
or a debate, I would never stand for it. And

754
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:56,280
I would speak openly, freely, raw, unfiltered, and I would

755
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,599
put him in his place because the guy, even after

756
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:04,880
four years as being president, doesn't know jack shit about anything.

757
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: He'd be too big of a coward to even let

758
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,760
you have me be on the same stage with you.

759
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,119
I'll tell you that's for sure. Just I want to

760
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,639
go back briefly and close the loop on the Tim Parlatory.

761
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,280
So Tim Parlatory, donald Trump's lawyer, former lawyer who's now resigned.

762
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,679
He came up with the theory total bs. But probably

763
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,400
the best possible defense you can come up with is

764
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that it was all a big mistake, and the documents

765
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,400
wound up in mar A Largo, through Marlaco.

766
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Speaker 2: Through.

767
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:41,079
Speaker 1: A hectic exit, and then there were discussions, and it

768
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,519
should never have gone to the Department of Justice in

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the first place. I completely disagree with that, but at

770
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,760
least in terms of a defense, it is a logical

771
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,679
defense versus the one that Donald Trump and his accolytes have,

772
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,679
which is the president's the emperor, he could steal and

773
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,199
do whatever. So Parlor Tory had sent a letter and

774
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,320
by the way, testified to the Grand jury back in

775
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,960
December of twenty twenty two, but wrote a letter very

776
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,920
recently to the House Intelligence Committee giving the defense that

777
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I just talked about. Then Donald Trump, on the so

778
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:19,679
called town hall says this play the clip SALTI president

779
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:23,039
of if you got to come to your documents, did

780
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:25,159
you ever show those classified documents to anyone?

781
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 9: Not?

782
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 6: Really, I would have the right to, by the way

783
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,320
they would d me, Not that I can think of.

784
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Speaker 3: Let me just tell you, I have the absolute right

785
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,360
to do whatever I want with them. I have, which

786
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,559
is a direct contexactly what I said before. This is

787
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,840
exactly in line with the notion that he believes a

788
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,760
president is a king, that the president can do whatever

789
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,960
he wants. And again, I wish to God that there

790
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,559
was a way that the two of us could be

791
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,400
on a debate stage, because I would explain to him

792
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,239
about how George the second Dot is really the creator

793
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:06,159
of what became the tripartheid system here in America, which

794
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,159
of course he doesn't understand, because the fool doesn't fucking read.

795
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,519
All right, you got to give it to him in crayon,

796
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,920
in bullet points. And he does not have the right

797
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:20,920
to show classified documents to somebody or anyone that he

798
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,760
wants as an ex president. As the former president, he

799
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,159
doesn't understand. A former president does not retain executive rights

800
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,559
that belongs to dark branded.

801
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: All right, you have fucking dummy.

802
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 3: So Donald, on this episode of Political Beatdown, you get

803
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,559
the two middle thing as you fucking dope. That's not

804
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,719
how the system works, all right, and you're not going

805
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,639
to change the system because the Constitution of the United

806
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,280
States of America is bigger than you. It's bigger than

807
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,840
anyone and everyone. And there's no way in the world

808
00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:00,000
that I don't care if it's our political beatdown Brigador,

809
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:01,599
I don't care. If it's May of culp I don't

810
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:04,039
care if it's all of the mightis touch people.

811
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Speaker 2: Politan, if it's you know, uh uh what you McCall it.

812
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: Whether it's going to be Lincoln Project or Justice Matters

813
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:15,440
or any of the other you know groups out there.

814
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:20,280
We will never allow him to change our democracy into

815
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,159
an autocracy, which is exactly.

816
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: How he's speaking. I would have the right to if

817
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,880
I wanted. I don't know if I did.

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00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:30,119
Speaker 3: At least he was smart enough not to come out

819
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,119
and say, of course I did, all right. Unfortunately for him,

820
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:38,199
there's a whistleblower in his midst that already told them,

821
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,159
and I wouldn't be shocked. Remember, our law enforcement is

822
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:45,360
the best in the world, and they know who he

823
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:49,119
showed shit to. That's why they called the Kalamaris, Matt

824
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:53,800
and Maddy Junior, you know, to Congress in order to

825
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,760
discuss the videotapes and especially the cameras outside of the

826
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,440
room that they had all of these documents in. They

827
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,400
know who saw them. I guarantee you not all of them,

828
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,960
but they certainly know that people had seen these documents

829
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,719
that Donald was not authorized to show. So on behalf

830
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,400
of all of us, Donald, you get the two middle things.

831
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Speaker 1: My man and the Klamaris went before the Grand jury

832
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,239
in Washington, DC. I believe it was last week or

833
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,039
the week before that we talked about that on Political Beatdown.

834
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:29,119
I want to talk about this hearing that was held

835
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today in the House of Representatives by the Maga Republicans

836
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:36,960
part of their BS subcommittee on the weaponization of the

837
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,639
Department of Justice is what they call it. It's a

838
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,840
hearing where they basically attack police officers, attack the FBI.

839
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They want to defund and abolish the FBI simply because

840
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,719
and by the way, I'm fine sized the FBI by

841
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,519
no means is a perfect organization. The criticism, though, of

842
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,079
kind of valid criticism and versus where the Magga Republicans are.

843
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:05,840
The fact that the FBI is focused on domestic terrorism

844
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,039
right now and the Magga Republicans are aiding and embedding

845
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,519
domestic terrorism is the issue. So they called up not

846
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:17,880
real whistle blowers, but frankly fake whistleblowers, people who the

847
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,119
FBI and the Department of Justice do not recognize as whistleblowers.

848
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These are individuals who had their security clearances removed because

849
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:31,480
they were sympathetic with January sixth insurrectionists, and they basically

850
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:36,239
either they tried to steal data from the FBI's internal systems,

851
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,360
or they were otherwise demonstrated to be to the FBI

852
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,800
espousing views of overthrowing our government in our democracy. So

853
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that's why their security clearance was taken away. They now receive,

854
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:54,519
in their own words, charitable donations, payments from groups affiliated

855
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,480
with Donald Trump, and Cash Ptel. So these are the

856
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individuals who the MAGA Republicans call in a hearing to

857
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,719
try to attack the FBI as part of their plan

858
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:09,519
to defund and abolish the FBI and to attack law enforcement.

859
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:11,960
But I want to give the Democrats credit this and

860
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:16,559
especially behind the strong leadership in the House of Representatives

861
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of a Teem Jeffries, but of some of the superstar

862
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freshmen like Dan Goldman, a former prosecutor now turned freshman

863
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,199
congress member from New York who's done an incredible job

864
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,440
calling out the BS using his prosecutorial skills. I want

865
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to show you this cross exam that Goldman did of

866
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these Republican witnesses who were paid by Cash Pattel, and

867
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then get your thoughts, coll and play the clip.

868
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,559
Speaker 5: Well different questions we established earlier. Credibility matters, certainly for

869
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:50,559
witnesses who appear before us. Mister Boyle, do you know

870
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:54,679
what Cash Patel is I do. Have you received any

871
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,639
money from Cash Pattel or his organization? I have? When

872
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,679
you previously met with the majority members and or majority

873
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,559
staff of this committee, was Cash Hotel present for that meeting?

874
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,119
Speaker 2: No?

875
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Speaker 5: To your knowledge. Has Cash Bartel ever spoken to the

876
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committee members on your behalf? Not that I know of,

877
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nothing you know of. Was anyone present for your previous

878
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,920
meetings with committee members and staff on the majority that

879
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,119
were not members of this committee or staff of this committee,

880
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,559
my council, your council, anyone else?

881
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 10: I don't think so.

882
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,599
Speaker 5: Is Cash Hotel helping you finance your counsel?

883
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 10: Not that I'm aware of.

884
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 5: Okay, mister friend, what about you? Do you know Cash

885
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:44,960
Hotel as well?

886
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:46,519
Speaker 2: Yes?

887
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 5: And did you receive any money from Cash Hotel?

888
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:49,599
Speaker 2: Yes?

889
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 10: He gave me a donation last November a donation. Yes?

890
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 5: Are you a charitable organization?

891
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,039
Speaker 11: I was an unpaid he definitely suspended man trying to

892
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:01,519
feed his family and reached out to me and said

893
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he wanted to give me a donation.

894
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Speaker 5: Did he have any Was he present for any of

895
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your meetings with committee members or staff? No? And how

896
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,480
many times did you meet with the committee members? Or

897
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,000
staff prior to your transcribed interview.

898
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Speaker 11: I never met with them prior to my transcriptions.

899
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Speaker 5: You speak to them on the phone, yes, okay, all right,

900
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so you you spoke to them on the phone.

901
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,599
Speaker 10: Yes, I spoke to them on the phone. Corresponded.

902
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 5: Did you provide documents?

903
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Speaker 11: Yes, I gave them my written declaration.

904
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Speaker 5: Did they ask you whether they could share that with

905
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the minority?

906
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 10: I don't know.

907
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Speaker 11: At the time, I don't believe they were actually in

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the majority.

909
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Speaker 5: Did they ask you whether they could share the documents?

910
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Speaker 10: I don't remember if they did or didn't.

911
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:51,039
Speaker 2: I want to Ben.

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Speaker 3: Let me be very clear about something. One of the

913
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,159
reasons why they wanted to do to defund the FBI,

914
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,360
to destroy law enforcement, is because then there's nobody to

915
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:06,239
stop them in their quest. Think about if there was

916
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:11,159
no FBI, if there was no law enforcement our amazing, amazing,

917
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,400
you know, law enforcement here in this country. Could you

918
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,840
imagine none of these none of these matters. Whether it

919
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,000
would be the Marilardo documents, whether it be the January

920
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:24,320
sixth committee, whether it would be an Alvin Bragg or

921
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,480
an Attorney General, it would be the Fani Willis and Georgia,

922
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,599
none of these cases would exist because there would have

923
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:35,800
been nobody to investigate it and to bring those accountable,

924
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:38,599
you know, to justice. And when I say to bring

925
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:43,400
those accountable to justice, I'm referring to those in power.

926
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I'm not referring to you and me and the brigaders

927
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,119
and the rest of America, where just the schlepprocks at

928
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:54,079
the bottom right who basically want to you know, become

929
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:59,119
ghosts so that the administration, that the corrupt administration, stays

930
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,440
away from us. That's really what it would be about.

931
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,880
But they would be free to run am up to

932
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,719
keep doing the things that like Kushner is doing by

933
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,400
selling out the country to Saudi Arabia or to other

934
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:13,719
Gulf Coast countries so that he could add money to

935
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,599
his hedge fund, you know, to allow someone like Jamal

936
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:23,599
Kosogi to be killed, dismembered American citizen, all right, without repercussion.

937
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,559
Speaker 2: This is all wrong.

938
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Speaker 3: And that's what they're trying to do. So good for

939
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,079
Dan Goldman. You know, look, I've been questioned by Dan.

940
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,840
He is one smart guy. But you know, you also

941
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,760
got guys like Jamie Reskin out there. You have, you know,

942
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,960
other guys like Steve Cohen that get up and they

943
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,840
speak truth to power. They don't care, you know, either

944
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,400
side thet They're not always you know, fluffy to Joe

945
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,039
Biden either. You know, they respect him because he is

946
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:56,480
our president. He's also a Democrat, so they are more

947
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:01,519
respectful certainly than Marjorie Toilet Green or or the Josh Hawley's,

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Matt Gates's, Ted Cruz's and when they talk about Joe

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Biden at the end of at the end of the

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day here, I do believe that accountability is coming, I

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really do. I believe Kushner will be held accountable. I

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believe Donald will be held accountable for his multiple multiple issues.

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I believe even you know, even Marjorie Taylor Green, I

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believe will be held accountable. And one way that we,

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the brigaders, can actually hold them accountable is to vote

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their fucking asses out of office. All right, come twenty

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twenty four, vote blue. Get your friends, bring them here,

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let them hear truth to power, Let them hear the

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raw and unfiltered conversation that Ben and I provide, you know,

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twice a week to you. Maybe we'll go even more,

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you know, depending, but we need our brigaders to help

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to bring more people here so that we could implore them.

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This is all about putting together a group of people

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so that come twenty twenty four, our voices are not

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ignored anywhere in the United States, and people like Marjorie

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Taylor Green, like George Santos should never ever be permitted

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to wear right the congressional pin, to don the congressional

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pin around their necker on their lapels ever.

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Speaker 1: Because I'll leave you with this, here's the world that

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they want to create. They want to create a system

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that looks like their kangaroo style court judiciary hearings where

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evidence doesn't matter, where you just defeme people with accusations,

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and they don't want to follow rules and order and

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facts and evidence. Watch Dan Goldman call them out for

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that today.

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Speaker 9: Play this clip, jam And it's my understanding, what's what's

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your what's your what's your what do you is?

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Speaker 2: You're making a point of order.

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Speaker 12: I'm asking you a question, okay, a point of inquiry.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 12: It's my understanding that the minority in this committee, under

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the rules, is entitled to the same testimony, information documents

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that the majority is entitled to.

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Speaker 10: So I mean, I'm not I'm not.

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Speaker 12: Aware that you're able to withhold information from the minority

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that we would need to use to prepare for when.

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Speaker 9: It comes to whistleblowers, you're not. And I would just

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I would just remind the Kings to remind everyone. Look,

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when it comes to whistle blowers, you're not.

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Speaker 5: That's not right.

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Speaker 2: It's it's shocking that the just right.

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Speaker 9: It's shocking that the gentleman so much about the whistleblower.

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It's shocking that the gentleman we had when you were

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part of the investigation.

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Speaker 2: German people at once regular order.

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Speaker 9: I recognizes I'm inquiring and I was not. I've told

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you that when it comes to whistleblowers, you were not

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entitled to it.

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Speaker 2: That's an individ question of mister.

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Speaker 12: Allen, INDIVIDID have been determined need not to be whistleblowers.

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These are not whistleblowers. They've been determined by the agency

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not to be whistleblowers. Are you deciding that they're whistleblowers?

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Speaker 1: And that is a democratic right there, congress Member Washington,

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she's incredible. Also, we want a system of law and order.

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We want a system of facts, we want a system

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of evidence. That is what we need here and not

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this maga Republican nonsense, and we will keep on telling

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the truth here at Political Beatdown. By the way, our

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last episode I think has just crossed four hundred and

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twenty thousand plays, which just by you know, and again

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I think it is important to expand the reach of

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00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,679
the show. I'm proud of it because more people are

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00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:54,400
now watching Political Beatdown than are watching CNN on prime time.

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So thank you Brigaders for making that a possibility. Everybody,

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also check out Maya Culpa. I want to give this

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shout out to Maya Culpa as well. An incredible accomplishment.

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I am so proud of you, Michael Cohen, and I'm

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proud to be a part of this show. A hundred

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01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:19,880
million downloads for Maya Culpa a big milestone there. Everybody,

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make sure you don't just subscribe to Political Beatdown on

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01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,920
YouTube right here on the Midas Touch YouTube channel and

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on audio. Also subscribe to the Maya Kulpa podcast as well.

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Just search Maya Culpa. Also want to remind everybody that

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there was a and is a fund set up to

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help and support all of the legal efforts. All the

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money goes to the legal efforts of Michael Cohen you'll

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see it in the description below in connection with Donald

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Trump's lawsuit again Cohen Cohen being embroiled in all of

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this Trump related litigation, and so in the description below

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we have the GoFundMe information and y'all have been so

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incredible there and have allowed some of the best counsel

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to be retained on this matter representing Michael Cohen, and

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we keep giving you the updates here. Of course, also

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check out the book Revenge by Michael Cohen wherever books

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and audiobooks are sold, how Donald Trump weaponized the US

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Department of Justice against his critics, and you can check

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us out at patreon dot com slash midas touched. It's

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going to be a very busy summer, and I truly

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mean it, Michael. Whenever I look at the clock or

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whatever day of the week it is and I see

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it is a political beatdown day. Being able to spend

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the time with you and the Brigaders brings me personally

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so much joy and happiness, and being able to share

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this love of our country, of the pro democracy community

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is something that always puts a big smile on my face.

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We'll see you all next time on Political Beatdown with

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a special shout out to the MIAs mind,