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Speaker 2: With Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so

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Speaker 1: Brighteous on us today and listening, oh watching lim always

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keep it squatching and now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and

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James Bobo Fay. I made a Squatchy discovery randomly the

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other night, what is that sitting on the couch looking

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for some free content and opened the two B app

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and it had the recommended for you and there was

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this big image of Bobo and this show called Bobo's

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Bigfoot Encounters of the Fourth Kind. And my first thought

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I was like, oh man, is this Did somebody make

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another one of those AI things about Bobo? And then

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I saw there were like multiple episodes and it was

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Bobo with some guests including our number one most popular

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app episode guests Sarah from the Terrifying Night in the

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Marble Mountains. So I think our listeners would love to

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see though, so I'll make sure to put the link

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to the tow B listing for that is you're only

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on to be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Look elsewhere, but to Be's free, you know, and it's

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I think you can watch it in browser, but you

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can definitely watch it on their free app on like

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mobile devices or smart TVs, so that's probably the easiest.

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Speaker 2: Way for people to do it.

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Speaker 1: But I will I'll link those. There were three episodes

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when I looked, but obviously it was partial to the

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one with Sarah because that's one of my favorite Sasquat

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stories that I've ever heard ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is Bobo doing in this thing?

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Speaker 3: It's one of those documents I was working on. There's

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the ones that we were really close to being finished,

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like the short just interview was that we did with

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Pete where he did the drawings, like we interview the

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witness and he'd do a sketch under their direction. I see,

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I filmed it like four or five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna say, I don't remember you taking time

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off to film anything recently. Only have you those years ago.

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Speaker 3: I just the production coming was like, yeah, we just

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got to put it out. So they just you know

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the kind of AI b rolls stuff and all that,

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and they did. They did.

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Speaker 1: They did c G I.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you know, AI like you know, like showing them

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like the squatch running and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: MM hmmm mm hmm. Well that's cool. I didn't even

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catch window that at all, except for when Matt texted

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us about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the first I heard about it.

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Speaker 2: In that awesome first you heard about it, You're in it.

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Speaker 3: I was executive producer. I was, I was a co

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope that was a bump and pay or

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you get royalties or something. It's the opposite. It's exactly

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the opposite. I say, Oh geez, all right, I.

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Speaker 1: Think more episodes coming besides those three. It was like

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one with the Sam Kitchen who we had on this

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podcast too.

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Speaker 3: I think they all three more witnesses on here. Jesse

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was the ex marine up in the Sierra Nevadas. Then Sam,

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yeah he was Lake Shasta or Shasta link whatever, and

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then the ever adorable Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Oh very good.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll put that link in the show notes

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because I know people would love to see it, and

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we do get emails all the time from those years

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ago when you were in the process of making those

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and talking about him. People always like, hey, was listening

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to old episodes, Where can I watch this? So we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna do when I get somebody, I'm gonna

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redo him, like just an extra little bit like make him,

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you know, way better, because it kind of he has

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that same at the production company. He has that same

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kind of like cheesy like guitar music and like that.

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Speaker 2: So that's you know, like.

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Speaker 3: Dramatic and like that like run round around like guitar music,

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Speaker 2: So we all start our musical careers is horrible music

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyways, Yeah, so I mean they're they're cool.

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and then you know, the viewers the listeners in this podcast,

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and you know they could be happy to hear you know,

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it's always cool like when you see the witness you

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can get a you can get like you know, you

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get the film for me, you see that you can

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look them in the eye and all that. And then

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what was craaty about Sarah is that she was so

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like not like she had no self consciousness about like

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sounding weird or looking weird, like doing what she heard

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like like there making the sasquatch.

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Speaker 1: She like she really tried, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, all the people like I can't do I'm even

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gonna try. She like did it like she would do it.

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Speaker 2: Well that that'd be kind of neat. It wasn't at

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Speaker 3: No, No, we're just at our house, okay, very good.

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dude one hundred and ten, one hundred and twelve that day,

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and like when we started filming, it was like one

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the fans on it was kind of the lighting. We

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had issues with the lighting, like we couldn't get I

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or something, and we yeah, it was it was we

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overloaded one circuit and blah blah, like the lighting is

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kind of funky on his but everyone was still one

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Pete Travers's sketch artists, you know, depiction of what they saw,

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and they all said, that's exactly what I saw, you know,

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they all all three of them said it seemed the

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face seemed pretty human. Sarah's was the most gorilla like

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what the other guys said. It was like, you know,

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they looks like a person.

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Speaker 2: M She saw it at night too, didn't she.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was a full moon and there was

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and they were on like a marble. It was all marble,

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so it was like white marbles just like reflecting like crazy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so she probably did have a pretty good view

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, and she could see this scole in the eyes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just like a moonscape, you know, which is

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like reflective, all reflecting all that light. There's another great

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the Desolation Wilderness where a guy was camping and you know,

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long story short. I'll put a link in the show

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notes to this report because it's it's a great one,

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but similar kind of thing that he was sleeping out

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and bright moonlit night, and one of the things came

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very close to him and he saw it very well.

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Speaker 2: That's like an older report, that's like the early two thousands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what was really interesting is the guy who

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a while back in the day and went back to

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the spot with the witness and took pictures of everything

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where the guy's tent was, where he pulled his sleeping

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bag out and slept on that rock. At one point

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in the encounter, the thing was coming around and it

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kind of silvery dead snag near the tree line, and

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the guy thought it was a bear that was being aggressive,

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and the thing only ran away like thirty or fifty

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feet and then stopped. And he was like, oh, that's

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and made him a little nervous. But the investigator like

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and like, sure enough there were the bullet holes, you know,

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the rounds still in that snag. Like everything was as

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the guy described it in his report. It was really

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cool to see all those images and for pigeons. I

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it all. So I've got all those on a hard drive.

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Speaker 2: Course the pigeons are our members. Want to be a

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that link that Matt pru Will put in the show

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notes and you get this episode every single week with

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should we hop in today's episode? We're doing a topical

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of these articles for us, and we just kind of

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for Bigfoot in general. So that's what we're doing today.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we start with I mean, we have the

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top from Nutcracker Man, and I love that nutcracker Man,

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course I'll write about some of that. But why don't

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we do that one? I think it was actually originally

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of the great paleo anthropological stuff that's

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being done nowadays actually is in Spanish. I think that's

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kind of cool. And of course, nowadays with all sorts

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of web tools, it's easy to read that sort of

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of summarized here, Like there's a new study out there

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that was in the twenty twenty six, so it's actually

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brand new, and it describes the most complete body skeleton

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of Homo erectus. I'm sorry, Homo habilists, Homo habilists found

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so far now, Homo habitlists. In my opinion, it's pretty

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interesting because it's the first hom It's not the first hominin,

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said has given our genus in our same genus Homo.

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how species are. They're kind of squishy, you know, and

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it doesn't like it's not like you turn a page

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skeleton of Homorectus, we had very very fragmentary fossils, so

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so it's a long time ago. But we have arms,

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well as other bones and the paleoanthropologists that unearthed this

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thing are pretty confident that they all come from the

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same individual, which is even better because you know, if

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just don't know what you're looking at. But they're relatively sure,

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relatively confident, I guess that all of these particular fossils

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dying together and some of their bones were fossilized. But

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some weird data in that way. But in this case,

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later human beings, but they also this this fossil has

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retained primitive features that are closer to off Strollopithesenes, which

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that they have, so that would probably indicate like longer arms,

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curved fingers like the modern day apes like orangutans for

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example of notably curved finger and toebones. Basically, what we're

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particular time and human evolution with this singular Homo habilists

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fossil collection, and what we're seeing is that the snapshot

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lot more complex, I think than what it used to

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a linear progression. It's a big, bushy sort of thing.

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evolution is not a linear progression or like a tree

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at all. It's like a bush that goes out in

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all sorts of differcise. And think about those.

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think he. I think that general, the general understanding of

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paleoanthropology has changed. I don't think he actually made it up,

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because pale anthropologists have been observing this for a while

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and they're they're noting, and actually more so all the time,

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because you'll notice that a lot of the articles that

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I can tribut to these kinds of episodes that we're

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in right now are exactly about this. Just strengthening the

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argument for the idea of a relic hominoid of some

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sort still being around, because again, back in the day,

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the singular single species hypothesis that only one species can

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occupy an ecological niche at a time seems to be

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falling away. That component of the under of our understanding

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of evolution in general seems to be falling away. Which

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is why evolution, of course is a theory, because we

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are still refining it. It's obviously there. It is a

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true thing that actually happens and happened, but we're kind

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of tweaking it as we get more and more information.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting that not only was

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the powers and obviously the lower limbs sort of trending

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more towards, you know, modern examples of Homo, while the

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trunk and the limbs were more primitive and more like Australopithecus,

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but also the skull and the teeth were more modern

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as well. So it's a strange patchwork, you know, It's

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not just like a dividing line, like everything above the

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wasst is primitive and below the waist is more modern.

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It's the trunk and the limbs tended to be much

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more like the archaic hominins, but the skull and teeth

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and the lower limbs and pelvis were modern, which is

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pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you think about the main adaptations, or some

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of the main adaptations that actually makes a homohabilis a

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homo habilist versus an australopithesenes, because they're very similar in

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a lot of ways. But some of the main adaptations

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are habitual tool use, you know, essentially at the end

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of the day, and those tools might have been used

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for softening food, you know. I mean everybody thinks about

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like stone tools for you know, cutting meat and stuff

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like that, but it might also been used for softening

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food like Bobo tell us about Abaloni's. If you don't

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soften them with the tool, you're.

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Speaker 3: Not eating it. Yeah, pound it for like ten to

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fifteen minutes, just to take it out and take like

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a like a bat or something or a tea bye

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four and just smack the hell out of it until

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it loosens up, like several minutes.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it'd be and of course later on I

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believe it's later on at least when humans or our

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genus at least Homo utilized fire, that would take a

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lot of the pressure off of our chewing apparatus, you know,

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like it would soften up the food and do a

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variety of things. But and Homo is generally thought that

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Homo rectus was the first one of us to actually

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kind of get and control and use fire and all

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that sort of stuff. But Homo habilists. They were called

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habitalists because that that's another name for like handyman in

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a way, you know, like that that's one of the

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earlier names for them, like the handyman, because they were

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amongst the earliest hominins to be directly associated with a

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variety of tools that were made. And you have to

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kind of wonder, well, what were they using those tools for.

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Maybe some of it was used for chewing, which might

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explain the eventual modernizing of the cranium perhaps while they

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still retained more archaic traits for locomotion based on their needs, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, talking about teeth and jaws and stuff. Humans didn't

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until we went on this new like post industrial diet.

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Like if you look at the fossils of old teeth,

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there wasn't like a bunch of snaggle tooths. It was

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they had straight, like you know, healthy teeth, like their

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mouth wasn't overcrowd like now and they're saying that the

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human like holmost savings with two generations of you on

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this soft food diet are jaws aren't strong like they're

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they're narrow, short like there's crowds the teeth. That's where

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we have all these people like crazy looking like I did.

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I was like a chainsaw when I was young. But

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if you ate, like you know, chewing on bones, get

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the marrow out, eating like nuts, eating stuff raw like

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that's not soft, then you don't have crooked teeth. You

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get straight teeth.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that. Yeah, a wealth of information. Yeah,

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so that's basically the gist of that article. There is

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once again, it's not a black and white this or

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that and suddenly sort of situation when it comes to

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differentiation in various species. I think is kind of the

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gist of it. That the almost like this particular homo

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habilist was like an intermediary form in a way, but

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clearly a homo habilist at the same time, showing some

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characteristics of earlier and some characteristics of later species. And

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it's not so cut and dry, shall we say, when

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one species starts and one species ends because of them

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sharing various traits and the overlap and how evolution works.

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And it's a very very messy affair. I mean, we've

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had millions of years to get it done. Time kind

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of sorts things out, of course, but it's a very

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very messy affair. I think it's the takeaway on this one.

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Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, thank you for sending that article because

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I wasn't aware of that find And also which again,

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like when you first sent it, I didn't find like

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an English language version of it, so maybe there's updates

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since then, where maybe there's more images or something like that.

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So I'll look for a newer reporting on that and

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include it in the show notes. But either way, if

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I don't find one, I'll have that original link in

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the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Very good. Yeah, of course has plugged that into your

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favorite translator and you can read all about our ancient relatives.

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You can read about it in Elvin. If you wish,

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oh exactly exactly, you can write it in Elvin or

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it'll probably write it for you at this point, so

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you go the next one sounds good.

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Speaker 3: How DNA and dirt is shaking up the study of

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human origins. So doctoral student at Uncity of copenha Hagen

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back in two thousand. He was a student. He got

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inspired by looking at a dog taking a dump on

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the grass at the school. And the job's contained DNA,

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he thought, and perhaps even after rain washes him away,

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some gena might remain. If it does stick around. The

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genetic material of a longden analystment also persist in the environment,

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so he could learn something about those creatures without getting

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access to prices museum specimens. He got ridiculed at the time,

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and as one fresh percent, I've never heard anything as

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stupid as this. He recalled his hunch for fruit. In

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two thousand and three paper and Science, he showed that

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plant ammal DNA can be recovered from a Siberian promofrost

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core that stretched back four hundred thousand years. That's insane.

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Even in the warmer temperatures of a New Zealand a

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New Zealand cave. They identify DNA from extinct that moas

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like those emu, like birds. Those giant mos are like

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ten twelve feet tall, like an ostrich kind of almost

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in six hundred year old seddents. They found that now

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is the first time researchers had used sediment alone to

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identify long dead's complex organisms, and then two decades on

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the city of ancient DNA from sediments is maturedly one

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of the most exciting tools for studying in the past.

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State of researchers interest in soil DNA it serves nearly

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ten years ago when scientists from human DNA can also

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be isolated from ancient sediments. Laboratories that once focused on

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the structing chine material from precious fossils were not turning

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their attention to dirt. All. If your archaeologists too are

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re examining soil collected decades ago, teenas discovered more about

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the past using this modern technology. They got some snippets

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of DNA from two million year old Parma frost back

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in twenty twenty two and the northern typ of Greenland,

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so all they've got so far. Yeah, there's a lot

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of information in those in those sediments sedations, there's a

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lot of micro that microclues what's going on that sedient layers. Yeah,

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it's really it's really an inflectionible study of human ancient humans.

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It shows how our own species, as well as the

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Anerthols and the serious Denisovans, like how we lived.

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Speaker 2: I thought that Dennis Ovens.

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Speaker 3: And the others got recombined.

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Speaker 2: They don't know about recombining, but I know that they

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discovered the denis Sovans by taking soil samples from a

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cave that they thought Theanderthals were using. And whether or

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not they're using I'm not sure that that answer was

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found or not, but they found this new Actually no,

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they found no. They I'm sorry, I was incredient. The

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Denisovans were discovered by that fingerbone. But later on, later

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on they sampled the dirt from a cave that they

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thought in the Interthals were using, and it turns out

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that the Denizobin DNA was found in the soil itself,

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if I remember correctly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so once you have that sequence, you can

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find traces of it. In fact, I just I pulled

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up my email because I heard a podcast. God, this

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was several years ago, and I was emailing someone about

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it who had asked a question. So let me pull

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it up and I'll just read it to you, because

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I quoted the podcast specifically so an archaeologist to a

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guy named David Meltzer was a guest on a podcast

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I was listening to, and so he was discussing e

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DNA studies and he made this statement, he said, quote

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in your genome, there are three point two billion base pairs.

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Mind you, DNA has been recovered from sites upwards of

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two million years old. It's terribly degraded, but that actually

474
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,599
makes it identifiable as ancient DNA. Ancient DNA in general

475
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,599
is no more than about one hundred letters long. If

476
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,880
you see a string of DNA letters that are thousands

477
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,359
and thousands of letters long, you know that somebody in

478
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,440
the lab sneezed and contaminated your sample. But if it's

479
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,240
anywhere you know fifty letters plus or minus, that's ancient DNA.

480
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,480
What you have to do, and this is a very

481
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,759
analytically challenging thing, is you've got to take all those

482
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:20,559
little fragments of DNA and figure out what is the

483
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,319
sequence here, and then map that sequence to a reference genome,

484
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,599
which will tell you it's a mammoth, it's a bison,

485
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,880
or it's something else. So a lot of the work

486
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,200
that's done in ancient environmental DNA involves compiling reference sequences

487
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,000
so that when you're doing the shotgun work looking at

488
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,839
all the DNA fragments within a sample of sediment, you

489
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,920
can match it up with whatever might have been out

490
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,119
on that landscape. So yeah, it sounds like, you know,

491
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,160
if we were looking for sasquatch DNA without having a

492
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,799
reference sample, that would be tricky. And the other thing

493
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,519
that that really brought to mind to me is people say, well,

494
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:55,680
they're looking for ancient DNA all the time, why haven't

495
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,680
they found a sasquatch And it's like, well, if there

496
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,720
are not ancient you know, if there's places, Now let's

497
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,720
say that sasquatch is inhabited in North America where they're

498
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,640
searching for ancient DNA like looking for step bison or

499
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,279
mammoths like this podcast mentioned. First of all, if it

500
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:13,680
was anything longer than that, you know, plus or minus

501
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,079
fifty to one hundred letter range, it's not even looked

502
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,000
at with extensive testing because it's just assumed, well, that's

503
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,119
not ancient, and even if it were sequenced, it's there's

504
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,920
not a reference genome. And so even if it is

505
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,920
something like the descendant of Gigantipithecus or something like which

506
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,839
would be about ninety seven percent analogous to us. Or

507
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,680
if it's something like paranthropists or a robust Australia pitheceene

508
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,079
that would be even closer, that'd be indistinguishable. So I

509
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,240
think the EDNA stuff and like DNA in the dirt

510
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:44,799
will be really useful someday. But we got to have

511
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:50,279
that specimen first, you know, in order to then identify

512
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:54,440
populations both modern and ancient in soil samples.

513
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,759
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, it goes back to Darby's explanation to me

514
00:25:57,839 --> 00:25:59,799
about the difficulties in what we're trying to do with

515
00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:02,680
the DNA sampling that we're doing with them. It's like,

516
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,519
here's a you know, a one hundred letter word combination

517
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:07,640
on the internet. Go find it so we'll get tell

518
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,759
me some of the words in it. I can't well

519
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:11,480
tell me some of the give me a clues. I

520
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,559
can't go find it. So well, that's next. So impossible,

521
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,079
is yeah, pretty much. But once you know a couple

522
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,160
of these things, once you get I guess, what did

523
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,200
you call them? A reference DNA?

524
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: Is that what you called it? Yes, if you had

525
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,920
like a fully sequenced genome on file, then when you

526
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,960
find those bits and pieces, you know, fifty to one

527
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,359
hundred letters at a time, you can cross reference them

528
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,279
with the reference DNA that's already on file from a

529
00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:33,519
fully sequenced genome.

530
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

531
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: So, and when we get that, then we can look

532
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,400
at the samples that I've been collecting and start getting

533
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,119
information out of those because we have the target. All

534
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,000
of a sudden, we have we have the thing we're

535
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:46,079
actually aiming for, instead of just shooting off into the

536
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,720
dark and trying to find it, which is why I'm

537
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:50,519
helping Rvey so much. Say hey, I'm happy to help

538
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,079
you in any way it possibly can, under the condition

539
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,720
that after you do this, after you prove the species,

540
00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,759
I get to continue playing and learning, and it's contributing

541
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,279
and doing everything I can to help the species. So

542
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,319
that's what we're shooting for at this point. So I

543
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,880
do think that EDNA is going to be absolutely essential

544
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,000
in studying sasquatches. I don't see any other way around it.

545
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,000
Because they're so rare, they move probably pretty quick through

546
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,440
the environment. They're so just on top of their situation.

547
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,200
Where they know other people are around, they leave the area,

548
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,160
and even if you're close to them, they hide so

549
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,680
well they're just next to impossible to see. But they

550
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,960
can't hide the skin cells that slough off their foot

551
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,000
as they walk across the landscape. They can't hide that

552
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,799
sort of stuff. You just have to be able to

553
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:41,480
find it.

554
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: I never thought about it until I read this article

555
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,480
that Bobo sent about how much older DNA that you

556
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,079
would find in something like permafrost would be because it'd

557
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,640
be so well preserved. Because we always think about, oh,

558
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,039
you could maybe find DNA if something that's like ten

559
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000
thousand years old, or cup maybe twenty thousand years old

560
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,240
in soil. But that thing both mention like four hundred

561
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,880
thousand years old. It's like, well, that's so perfectly preserved.

562
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,759
That makes sense, Like that's pretty remarkable.

563
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep hoping a sasquatch is going to turn

564
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,119
up in one of those situations, you know, like the

565
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,680
rhinos or the wolves and stuff that they find in

566
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,240
prima frost. And of course, now if they start looking

567
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,440
around for DNA and that stuff, that broadens the landscape

568
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,880
a bit more for a potential discovery of that caliber.

569
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I did think that was a great article,

570
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,359
and like I said, it brought that quote from David

571
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,640
Meltzer to mind about the promise and the challenges that

572
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:33,599
currently sort of beset us.

573
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,079
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

574
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,119
Will be right back after these messages.

575
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: Should we move on to another one of your articles there, Cliff?

576
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: Oh, sure, let's do the one of the eyes there

577
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,599
from Forbes magazine. There. Yeah, So basically this is the

578
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680
article comes from Forbes magazine and it's about eyes, and

579
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,400
it's particularly specifically the sclera, which is the white part

580
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,839
of our eyes. You know, So humans have a white sclera.

581
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,400
We all know that we can see each other all

582
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,000
the time, and so why do we have a white sclare?

583
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,160
Because the other ape species don't really they have a

584
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,559
variety of colors, but it's generally dark or pigmented, generally

585
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,319
brown or a dark brown sort of thing, although they

586
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,279
I have seen photographs of I think chimpanzees with a

587
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,319
yellowish sort of brown. And so there's a variety of colors,

588
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,039
just like you would expect through genetic variation, just like

589
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,000
our hair color is a little bit different, but generally speaking,

590
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:41,400
it's a darker color in other ape species but not humans,

591
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,960
not the human ape. So why is ours white? Okay? Well,

592
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,799
it's probably a communication tool of some sort, some sort

593
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:54,160
of social communication tool. And you think about hanging out

594
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,200
with your family, or your friends or loved ones in general,

595
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,559
or even people you don't know. Think about how much

596
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:06,480
communication happens with just looking at one another and using

597
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,200
your eyes. You don't have to use your mouth or

598
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,160
even your hands, just by using your eyes. Think about

599
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,839
all the different things you can communicate to one another.

600
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:16,079
Speaker 3: When you're driving your car, like one of those blocked

601
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,240
out like little hondas pulls up like you know, like

602
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,960
to the like they're going to pull out, like in

603
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,559
front of you or something, and that's all the windows

604
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:24,200
are blacked out like sun protector, and you can't see

605
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,039
like that the person's looking at ut so you just

606
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:27,240
have no idea what they're doing.

607
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's an interesting take on that.

608
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

609
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,559
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but having some sort of eye contact sure helps

610
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:38,279
that situation, right. Yeah, So humans have a high contrast

611
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:40,279
eyes is what this I think this article referred to

612
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,440
them as a white scile era and a colored iris

613
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:46,680
and a dark pupil high contrast. That way, you can

614
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,480
tell what direction you're looking, you know, and also think

615
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,160
about this in the context of direct eye contact in mammals,

616
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:59,240
it's pretty threatening. You know, whether you're staring down a

617
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,440
mountain lion or an aggressive human being, you know that

618
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,200
direct eye contact is pretty threatening. That's another way to

619
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,960
communicate through your eyes. And of course, if you're staring

620
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,559
somebody down, if you're like giving them that cold dog

621
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,799
stair sort of thing and their eyes are darting back

622
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,559
and forth, what does that communicate? Well, it looks for

623
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:19,880
an escape route or unsure themselves or something like that. Right,

624
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:23,920
So anyway, they think that our human species here have

625
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:28,559
developed the high contrast eye, the white sclera for some

626
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,720
sort of communication tool, right, because most of the primates

627
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:36,839
have a dark sclera, making what direction they're looking hard

628
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,279
to figure out, like where is this same looking at?

629
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:41,440
But you can see that pretty clearly with human beings.

630
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,039
So that makes the human gaze, the human eye contact,

631
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,680
very visible and trackable. So human eyes evolve to support

632
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:57,640
social interaction and cooperation. See that's the thing with humans,

633
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Like we're a pretty weak species and we're l I mean,

634
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,319
I forget what percentile we're at. I think we're like

635
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,400
the ninetieth percentile or something as far as how large

636
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,960
we are on a planetary level, you know, of all

637
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,200
the other animals that were related to either closely or distantly.

638
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:18,359
We're a big animal, but we're not very impressive for

639
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,640
the science. Very Yeah, we pretty kind of kind of are, right,

640
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480
but we're not that strong. We're not really that fast.

641
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,359
I mean, we're smart, and really the only reason we survived,

642
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,599
I think is our social interaction. And this the eye

643
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,000
structure might help us with that, right, because being able

644
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,960
to see where someone else is looking, well, that helps

645
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
with shared attention, you know, like what you're doing that,

646
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,160
I'm going to look at it over there too. Communication

647
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,039
and also group coordination. You know, I don't know this

648
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,279
because you know, I'm not a soldier by any means,

649
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:54,880
but I imagine that soldiers and like you know, special ops

650
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,640
and all that sort of stuff probably communicate an awful

651
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,400
lot with just their eyes if they can see each

652
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,559
other in that sort of way. She can do this

653
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,680
with other things, with other and in other situations too,

654
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,160
like maybe you're not supposed to speak at a certain time,

655
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,960
like that, you can communicate with your you know, your

656
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,640
partner or whatever through where your eyes are looking. Right. So, anyway,

657
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,039
the studies were none and that's what this article is about,

658
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,920
comparing humans and apes, and they found that humans, and

659
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,599
they did this with infants and stuff too, So who

660
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:25,559
haven't really been socially influenced very heavily, because you know,

661
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,279
babies are new. They haven't had like twenty years of

662
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,960
figuring things out yet in our in our cultural environment,

663
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,799
in our fish tank. You know, that is dictated by culture.

664
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:40,160
So they found that humans follow eye directions right, which

665
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,039
makes sense, but apes rely more on their head position,

666
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,920
their head movement to figure out where to look. So

667
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,480
that suggests at least that humans evolved to use these

668
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,960
subtle cues with their eyes, with our eyes, and that

669
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,519
I think is a pretty strong argument as far as

670
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,200
like the social interaction and the communication right. And of

671
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,239
course our eyes are very visible, you know, they're out front,

672
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,000
they're high contrasts as I mentioned either, and so eyes

673
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:16,880
being a communication for communication tool for us. While that

674
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,400
helps build trust and cooperation between individuals of the troop

675
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,599
or tribe or group or whatever you want to call us,

676
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,639
it also enables social behaviors that are probably more complex

677
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,719
than other animals. And it helps us with nonverbal communication,

678
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,880
which is huge, huge I used to I did so

679
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,880
I took some classes and training training classes in that

680
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,079
stress when I was a teacher. When I was an

681
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:46,840
elementary school teacher, I literally took classes in workshops in

682
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,360
nonverbal communication to help not only present information, but also

683
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,519
for specifically classroom management, you know, keeping the classroom under

684
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,199
control and kind of going with the flow that you

685
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,920
have set forth, you know. And really non verbal communication,

686
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:05,920
I think is at least fifty percent of what I

687
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,559
did as a teacher, you know, for controlling the class

688
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,199
and conveying information and working in large groups, and fifty

689
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,360
percent verbal fifty percent nonverbal. And I think that's true

690
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,920
of all human interactions, you know, because think about how

691
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,079
many times maybe a text message you sent was misconstrued

692
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,719
versus if you would have said that in person to

693
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,760
the person, they would have never been been out of

694
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,800
shape about it, right. I think that's probably happened to

695
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,840
all of us at some point.

696
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: And you hear it all the time when people say, oh,

697
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,519
I know that guy was telling the truth. I looked

698
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,360
him in the eyes, you know, and they they're sort

699
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,119
of inferring that because the eyes weren't darting around and

700
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:43,840
the attention wasn't flitting, that that conveys some degree of honesty.

701
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,800
And yeah, I mean not only in the cooperative sense,

702
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,639
but you know, imagine if if I came up to you,

703
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,079
you know, somewhere, and I was trying to make conversation,

704
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,280
you noticed that I kept looking down at your wallet

705
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:57,320
and I kept looking down at your You're like, oh,

706
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,679
this guy's waiting for an opportunity to steal my wallet

707
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,960
and way or something like that. And so yeah, it's

708
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,079
it's crucial to understand, like what is it that you

709
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,039
are paying attention to in this moment. And I think

710
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:11,239
as evidenced here, like you said, it's so crucial that

711
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,400
there's no variation in that across our whole species. Like

712
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,679
everyone has bright white squares, you know, pretty much unless

713
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,440
you have some damage or pathology or something, which means

714
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,119
that all of our ancestors that didn't either didn't survive

715
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,000
or at least they didn't mate, they didn't pass on

716
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:29,000
their genes, like none of them, you know what I mean.

717
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:30,519
So that's pretty remarkable.

718
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: Driver well, yeah, and it also you can also tell, yeah,

719
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,960
as you said, you trustworthiness and that sort of thing.

720
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,079
By looking somebody in the eye, you get a general

721
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,519
sense of that you'll and I mentioned earlier, you get

722
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:45,239
a sense of the their level of aggression, right, But

723
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,960
there's also another aspect here. You can actually tell a

724
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,480
little bit about the health of a person. But you know,

725
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,400
if they have like a yellowish sort of Johndey sort

726
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,039
of eye, will say, well, I don't know if you're

727
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,159
to mate with that person or not. Right, that's we're

728
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,519
just not up, you know that kind of thing. So

729
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,360
I sell a lot basically, So let's style this back

730
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,000
into sasquatches for a minute. That this is one of

731
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,840
the questions that I ask close witnesses often almost every time,

732
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,280
if not every time. Did you see the whites of

733
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,599
the eye or was it just all brown or whatever?

734
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:21,599
And generally speaking, most witnesses and I don't have numbers

735
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,199
for this, but you know, after speaking to people for decades,

736
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,320
most people don't report a sclera a white scolera, although

737
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,119
a few have a few have. Do either of you

738
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,599
have any information like what's your That's that's my general

739
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:40,519
impression of witnesses that are seeing sasquatches up close, that

740
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,920
most don't report a sclera. And I can't figure out

741
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,880
if that, although a couple do. So I'm I'm willing

742
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,639
to think that the lack of sclera in these close

743
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,159
encounters is probably more to do with the size of

744
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,800
the iris than it is a lack of a white sclera,

745
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,920
because I have a couple reports where the sasquatch would

746
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,639
seem frightened and looked around left and right with its eyes,

747
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:06,719
and people have noticed a white sclera. So what do

748
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,559
you guys think are there? Do do you think these

749
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,280
things have a white sclera or a pigmented sclera? And

750
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,400
if they if a witness doesn't see a sclere, is

751
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,360
that just because of the large iris, which would suggest

752
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,559
a huge pupillary opening which aids them with night vision.

753
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've heard very few people describe seeing

754
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,800
a sclera. There's a difference between people saying like, no,

755
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,519
I didn't notice that, versus like, yes, I saw the

756
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,920
whole eye and no, there was no sclera. You know,

757
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,000
those are two different sort of propositions, but very few

758
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,400
people tend to report that. And I would just assume, again,

759
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:42,320
if we're looking at the continuum of apes, given that

760
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,400
we are sort of the outlier with such a high contrast,

761
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,360
large visible sclera, I would assume sasquatches would not have

762
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,000
as high a contrast, as large as visible a sclera,

763
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,639
given that we're the outlier, and you would just assume,

764
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,039
you know, whether you'd call that statistically or whatever, but

765
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,159
that you just be more likely that they would be

766
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,679
more akin to the other apes than just the sole

767
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,960
outlier being in the same way that like, well, we're

768
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,039
the only extant ape with very little to no body hair,

769
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,559
not a covering of hair like other apes have. So

770
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,599
if you're a betting person, you go, well, if there

771
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:19,840
was a new ape, it would probably be covered in hair.

772
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,400
You know, it would probably be this, It would probably

773
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,239
not have a high contrast, white, very visible sclera. So

774
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,440
to me it would make sense.

775
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,039
Speaker 2: So what would be the implications of that to their behavior?

776
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,159
In your opinion, they don't live in large social groups

777
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,480
where they're interacting in close proximity and where shared attention

778
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,920
or paying attention is crucial to their survival a for

779
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,199
cooperation or b to protect against each other, because that's

780
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,159
the other thing is like, so much of needing to

781
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:50,239
know where someone's attention is is for self preservation. It's

782
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,599
not all going to be cooperation because there's a lot

783
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:59,119
of intra specific competition within humans and who knows how

784
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,000
long it's been the case, but yeah, are our number

785
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,920
one predator is other humans. You know, it's not necessarily

786
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,519
just reptiles and big cats and bears and things like

787
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:11,719
that anymore, although certainly in certain parts of the world

788
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,880
they still get a hold of people. But by and large,

789
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,000
like the thing we have to be the most wary

790
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,239
and afraid of is other people. And so I think

791
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,199
sasquatches would be devoid of those pressures a from each

792
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,679
other and then be the living in large social groups

793
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:29,239
and needing to cooperate, and especially if they're fairly active

794
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,039
at night, as seems to be evidenced by the report,

795
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,239
So like, how well are you going to see your

796
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,320
you know, your buddy or your enemies sclare as you know,

797
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,039
thirty yards apart in the dark, Probably not too well.

798
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:41,480
So I don't think I just don't think they'd be

799
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,400
driven by the same pressure. So if you were reverse

800
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,239
engineering that, if you did have a sasquatch eye and

801
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,320
it didn't seem to have that, you would assume, Okay, well,

802
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,719
they lack those social interactions and those needs therefore those pressures,

803
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,039
and that's why they don't have those adaptations. It's a

804
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,599
very different social lifestyle. But then there are those few

805
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,159
reports that do indicate they have a white scolera, which

806
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,639
could be very, very useful for them to silently communicate

807
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:12,440
that at some distance. I've talked to quite a few

808
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,480
pople have seen the scole there.

809
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,079
Speaker 1: I mean, Sarah is one of them.

810
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, you else we've had whatness on the show,

811
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,639
So they saw the scolera. I think didn't Jack and

812
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Kentucky see the scolerot how many the kids started up

813
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,280
in the cap of the truck and it leaned over?

814
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I have heard plenty of reports of

815
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,719
people describing them as having human like eyes, and you

816
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,719
wouldn't think that would be true if they didn't have

817
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,719
a sclera, right, like a white sclera, right. Yeah. But

818
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,360
then again, like if they didn't have a scolera, because

819
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,639
you know, like where do your eyes go when you

820
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:48,679
first meet somebody or you see somebody from a distance,

821
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,559
It wouldn't that be interesting if actually, if they had

822
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:56,159
a pigmented scolera. And part of the reason they evolve

823
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,840
that is to remain hidden better because if there's a

824
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,800
f the brush or whatever, and if you don't see

825
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,119
the whites of the eyes. Maybe that draws less attention

826
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,920
because the way we evolved to gravitate our vision to

827
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000
that particular location.

828
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Yeah, I agree with that.

829
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, we have zero information as far as

830
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,679
I know about I can't imagine that we have any

831
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,920
information at least about the the situation with the scolera

832
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,920
and extinct hominins like Neanderthals like, we have no idea

833
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,239
what their scola is. Of course, we can guess based

834
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,000
on studies like this that they probably had a white

835
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,440
scolera because they would also be very dependent on social

836
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,519
interactions and that sort of thing. But wonder, you'd have

837
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,440
to wonder how far back that scolero white scolera goes.

838
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,320
But maybe I don't. Maybe there's a gene or something

839
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,559
that could be identified. And as technology gets better, and

840
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:50,559
like our previous story, we get better DNA samples from

841
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:52,519
dirts and all that sort of stuff, maybe we can

842
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,480
find out if Homo erectus, for example, had a white

843
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:57,880
scolare just by their DNA. Maybe there's a way to

844
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,199
tell there. I just have no idea. I'm just that

845
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:01,639
well educated and that sort of stuff.

846
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Either it's too many people are.

847
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We got to remember that science

848
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,840
is still in its infancy right now. For as awesome

849
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,559
as we think we are, we're ridiculously unsophisticated compared to

850
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,599
where we're going to be in two hundred years if

851
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:22,639
we survived that long that is. Yeah, stay tuned for

852
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,760
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be

853
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,239
right back after these messages.

854
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: All right, So as you go to the next one,

855
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,119
what would be a fuone want to do? Did you

856
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,920
guys see that article that was sent along by a

857
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,079
listener again named Robert Goodwin about the one of the

858
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,800
patches that one of the astronauts Artemis mission is going

859
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,159
to wear it?

860
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why why don't you lay that one on us?

861
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:51,039
And actually I made it one of my Patreon posts

862
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:52,920
from a museum for this weekend.

863
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,639
Speaker 3: Jeremy has in Space Agency.

864
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,199
Speaker 1: Leave it to the Canadians to do something cool when

865
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,880
leaving the Sasquatch. But yeah, there was a this Canadian astronaut,

866
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Jeremy Hansen his mission patch for the Artemist two mission,

867
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,320
which is designed with a number of like indigenous representations

868
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,360
of various characters. I think he kind of related to

869
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,920
they had personal meaning and significance to him in mind.

870
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Ye are all represented on the patch, but one of

871
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,280
them is the sasquatch, So that that's a pretty cool

872
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,199
thing to see on like a NASA mission patch for sure.

873
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: Uh, probably the first time Bigfoot's gone to space.

874
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,159
Speaker 3: They're right on UFOs all the time.

875
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 2: Cliff, Oh, you're right. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I'm so ignorant.

876
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: Yes, So, so the patch was designed by Do you

877
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,280
guys know how to pronounce this? I don't want to

878
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:42,760
butcher it.

879
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,679
Speaker 2: The tribal we have to butcher stuff all the time. Man,

880
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,920
it's your turn, is it?

881
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,199
Speaker 1: Abe? A missionaby? And we apologize if we're getting that wrong.

882
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,800
I haven't heard it spoken out loud time, just guessing

883
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:00,440
the phonetics based already an artist named Henry Gammond several

884
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,639
animals to represent different values. The buffalo for respect, the

885
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,119
ego for love, the bear for courage, the sasquatch for honesty,

886
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,960
the beaver for wisdom, wolf for humility, and the turtle

887
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,039
for truth. The astronaut Hanson said that the imagery reflects

888
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:18,400
lessons he learned from indigenous elders and knowledge keepers. It

889
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,480
serves as a reminder of how he wants to conduct

890
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,119
himself on the mission. So I think that's great. That

891
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,519
was so cool to see. I wonder if those will

892
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:27,679
be available, because I know a lot of times, you know,

893
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,440
you could buy like replica mission patches.

894
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I hope they are. I'll definitely get one for

895
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,159
the museum if that's the case. Yeah, I want to do.

896
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:37,599
Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking to say thing, I got

897
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:38,519
to get one of those.

898
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: I love the fact that they have the Sasquatch And

899
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:46,679
it's ironic in some ways at representing truth, right, because

900
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,360
I think back to our good friend Thomas Steinberg, very

901
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,039
respected researcher, very down to earth. If that guy says it,

902
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:56,840
you can pretty much take it to the bank every

903
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,880
single time. Right, pretty great guy. And I think he

904
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,719
when he was on our podcast, and you know, back

905
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,639
in that one of the earlier episodes. I think it's

906
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,880
been a long time, but he says, yeah, basically, the

907
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,400
one rule of Bigfoot is always tell the truth. And

908
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:13,320
if you do that, you're gonna be okay. You're gonna

909
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,679
be okay. But instead of taking guesses at things, and

910
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,280
you can say I think this and be very very wrong,

911
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,119
but if you say it is this and you're wrong,

912
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,360
you start losing credibility, you know. And I love the

913
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,800
fact that the sasquatch on the patch represents truth because

914
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,000
it's something to remember. I think, you know, just always

915
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,719
tell the truth and Bigfoot to the best of your ability,

916
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,079
and you'll probably be just fine, you know, because everything

917
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:39,159
gets murky when people start lying and hoaxing and exaggerating

918
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,440
and doing all that sort of stuff. So I just

919
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:44,480
loved the symbolism involved in this particular patch.

920
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially the fact that it represents sort of

921
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,960
like an ethical stance rather than just like, oh, hey,

922
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,960
here's a mythological character or you know, this is like

923
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:57,719
you don't have people treat it like oh, it's just

924
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:02,360
a fantasy motif or theme versus like, no, this is

925
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,320
deeply rooted as a as an ethical mode of being,

926
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,039
so to speak, and so it's got more depth than

927
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:12,119
just like a piece of pop culture.

928
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, take a look to see if these patches

929
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,960
are going to be sold. Yes, at least some versions

930
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,360
are going to be sold. Canadian Museum Shop is selling

931
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,920
an embroidered version of his patch right now. Awesome, all right,

932
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,360
I'm gonna go ahead and get one of these for

933
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,400
the museum.

934
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,199
Speaker 1: Would you go to the Moon if given the opportunity.

935
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,519
Speaker 2: Nah, I'm busy here, man, I don't have time for that.

936
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:39,599
It was easy and wasn't a direct threat to my life.

937
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,199
Speaker 1: Sure, dude, Either of you guys have any events public

938
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,480
things coming up by the time this airs.

939
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,599
Speaker 2: Oh, not by the well, I've got something on Thursday,

940
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:50,920
but this is that's going to be already over with

941
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,880
by the time this airs. But we do have I

942
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do have the Ohio Bigfoot Conference coming up. That's the

943
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first weekend in May. I know that. That's kind of cool.

944
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Sorry sold out.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you did not get tickets to the Ohio

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Bigfoot Conference and you're in the Southeast, I will be

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speaking at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival that same weekend

948
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on Saturday, made the second in Townshend, Tennessee. Right there

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the smoke. He's just over the ridge north of Cade's Cove.

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So I'll put a link to that in the show

951
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,000
notes if anyone's around and wants to come hang out.

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Speaker 2: Is that the big festival one? That is?

953
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Speaker 1: I was there with you in twenty twenty one.

954
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Speaker 2: That's what I thought. That was a lot of fun.

955
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I enjoyed that one.

956
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Speaker 1: Absolutely I met you introduced me to timber Chet there,

957
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so that was super cool.

958
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's getting a lot of traction out there

959
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,400
in the political world too. And that's also where I

960
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,039
finally met face to face sack Squatch. Yep, you know

961
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that guy.

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Speaker 1: Indeed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, super nice guys. I missed that. He's actually tours around.

964
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He came to Portland maybe six or eight months ago

965
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and I missed him. But I mean, I'm sure he'll

966
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,480
be back at some point. Yeah, he was a really

967
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:50,400
really nice guy. Man. That was a lot of fun.

968
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I could see doing a gig with that guy, you know,

969
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like doing a dresses a Sasquatch and me playing backup

970
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,199
the guitar like in a like some sort of like

971
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you know, lounge situation. That would be fun, totally cool.

972
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So if you're listening out there, mister sack Squatch, hit

973
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me up, man, we'll do a gig. It'll be cool.

974
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to be he's got to be a listener.

975
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,039
It would only be right. But maybe he'll be there

976
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this time. I don't know if he does that festival

977
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every year or not. But it was a lot of fun.

978
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I'm really looking forward to It's always great to be

979
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back in the Smokey's there in that area. So if

980
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you're not already going to the OBC and you're in

981
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and around the southeast, come on out to the Smoking

982
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mountin Bigfoot Festival. Be a lot of fun.

983
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then, of course, looking ahead, I think the

984
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weekend of the fourteenth of June, I'm gonna be doing

985
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,079
what is it, the Great America Bigfoot something or other

986
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:35,320
out there in Florida.

987
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: Oh, the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference.

988
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. That sounds about right. I don't know.

989
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,360
I just show up to these things. I don't know

990
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:40,840
what they're called.

991
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Speaker 1: That's a fun one too. I did that one in

992
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:44,880
twenty twenty four. It was a blast.

993
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,639
Speaker 2: That should be a pretty good one.

994
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,159
Speaker 1: I guess now that they've announced it, I can start

995
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,480
promoting it a bit since it is a ways off.

996
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:53,320
But I'm sure it takes time to plan such things.

997
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,599
But I will be speaking on the Alaska Bigfoot Cruise

998
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:57,199
this year, so I'll put that link in the show

999
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,480
notes as well. That's in September, so there's plenty of

1000
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,039
time to plan. But I don't know how many slots

1001
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,360
or tickets they have for that exactly. So if you

1002
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,400
are interested in going, now is probably the time to

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start putting plans together and looking into getting those tickets.

1004
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,239
But that's going to be a lot of fun that

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00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,920
people liked it, You're going.

1006
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,199
Speaker 2: To come back like twenty five pounds over what you

1007
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:16,880
aint now, Matt.

1008
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: No, I've done that cruise before, but you know, we've

1009
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,199
done a few, and they always have like stellar gyms,

1010
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,599
and I hit the gym every day, so I and

1011
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,119
I get tons of steps on those giant boats, so

1012
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:32,000
I make sure to balance out the egregious food intake

1013
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with playing.

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Speaker 3: In the gym barely. Huh.

1015
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:36,199
Speaker 2: No, dude, the.

1016
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Speaker 1: Last we did this awesome Hawaii cruise at the end

1017
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of twenty twenty four that went to all the islands,

1018
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,159
and dude, I went in there every day and I

1019
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,760
was almost always the only person in that gym.

1020
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Speaker 2: That's what I heard. Who'd have thought, well, should we

1021
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:52,760
get out of here and go jump in the member

1022
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section for the pigeons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for joining us again this week. Hit like

1024
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hit share if you got a story or a question, Yeah,

1025
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hit us up. If you've had an encounter sasquatch, we'd

1026
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love to hear about it. So it's like a one paragraph,

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a little description and until next week, y'all keep it squatchy.

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