Speaker 1: That's the point that they don't understand. All right, let's
get ahead here or here he's going to play me.
Let's see what he says. The Samaritans are Unitarians is
the same fundamental ontological position as Islam. Right, they're unitarian.
Jesus says, you worship what you don't know. So the
true sense here of what matters until she does worship it.
Speaker 2: So the point is that she doesn't know.
Speaker 1: They think this was some kind of own. It's not
an own, because the point of the passage is that
it doesn't matter that you know about Him or that
you think that you're worshiping the one true God. That's
the point. That's why they've shifted the debate into you
worship between whether they worship God to do they think
they're worshiping God. That's what they've done. The woman at
the well thinks she's worshiping God, but she's not.
Speaker 3: That's the point.
Speaker 1: You worship what you do not know. We worship what
we know. For salvation is of the Jews. So you
can worship all day long an idol, a statue, a
heretical idea and think that it's God, but it's not.
That's the point of the passage. So every time we
go to these passages, the Romancalities are literally giving it
the opposite point and meaning of the passage. They're saying, ah,
but she did worship, but she doesn't know God. So
the point is not just do I have an abstract knowledge?
Do I assent to propositions? Because she thinks in her mind,
I'm worshiping the God of Jacob. Jesus has the God
of Jacob. This is in the mind of the woman
at the well, right, I worship the God of Jacob.
The Jews claim to worship the God of Jacob, but
we're the true worshipers of the God of Jacob. Jesus
is saying, you think you worship the God of Jacob,
but you don't because you can only worship God in
the Temple at Jerusalem, not at the Samaritan altar that
the king created in the Book of Kings. That's a
false altar and a false God and a false worship.
So you don't know what you worship. And the Roman
Catholics are saying, yeah, but because she worships something, she
does know it. That's how stupid this is. They adore
in a natural act of adoration the same God. We
don't even have this nonsense in the Orthodox Church, a
natural act of adoration. I don't even know what that is.
Move on, don't care what he's what Gavin Ortland says,
don't care what he thinks about Gvin Ortland.
Speaker 4: Twenty five years after the Crucifixion, when unconverted Jews weren't
just ignorant of Christ but openly rejected him. And yet
Paul still says the Jews have zeal for God and
not something else, like a demon. This description would also
apply to Muslims who show zeal for.
Speaker 1: Paul says, they have a zeal for God, but not
according to knowledge, just like the Woman of the Well
believes she has a zeal for God, but not according
to knowledge. So let's go back to the idea of knowing.
Right in the Bible, we have different senses of the
word no. When we think about, for example, Adam knew
his wife Eve and they conceived. That's the intimate union
sense of truly knowing. That's different than knowing about God
or knowing about someone or knowing about somebody's wife or whatever.
That's very different. It's two different senses, and that's in
the scriptures, because we've all heard Adam knew his wife Eve, right,
So when we're talking about knowing God, we can equivocate
on knowing in a general abstract sense or knowing about
versus knowing in an intimate, unitive worship mystical union sense.
In the Orthodox liturgy, we are not just knowing about God.
We are knowing God in a synthesis synergy sense. We
are synergizing with God. We are participating in his uncreated grace,
really and truly. Again, the easiest way to just dismiss
all of this think of Jake, the Muslim metaphysician. We've
done debates, we've argued with him, we've had you know,
he was in the discord for a long time. He
learned and studied a lot of Orthodox Trinitarian theology and
Roman Catholic theology. So I would say, amongst the Muslims,
as far as I'm aware, Jake knows more about the Trinity,
or he knows the positions more or accurately, perhaps doctor Khalil,
between those two, they know it the best. They know
about the Trinity, they know about the deity of Christ,
and they probably could state our views pretty well. Does
that mean they know God and worship God and love
God and adore God in the true sense, of course not.
This is so silly that we even have to debate this.
They don't because they are in a religion that explicitly
rejects the Trinity and the deed of Christ. So they
don't worship and know in the relevant, true, proper sense.
Let's look at the Qur'an. Every Muslim that becomes excuse me,
every person that converts to Islam makes their statement of
the profession of faith, which is implicit and sometimes explicitly
a rejection of the Trinity and the deed of Christ.
O people of the book, do not go to extremes
regarding your faith. Say nothing about Allah except the truth.
The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is no more than
a messenger of Allah and the fulfillment of His word
through Mary and a spirit created by the command from Allah.
Jesus is a creature. He's not the divine son of God.
And this is a basic pillar of Islam. So believe
in Allah and his messenger. Do not say Trinity stop
for your own good. Allah is only one God, Glory
to him. So do you understand that Islam is not
like the Pagans in the sense of knowing or not knowing.
They're not in a state of invincible ignorance, as the
Romeanchallics argue. They're actually explicitly creating a religion based on
talhed or what they think is talhed, which is rejecting
the Trinity and the deed of Christ. The religion is
built on that, you idiots. It is not like an invincible,
ignorant guy on an island pagan. Now from another perspective,
from the Orthodox perspective, it doesn't really matter in terms
of grace and salvation and worship whether you're a Pagan
or a Muslim, because they both don't count. That's the
point Romans one, one, John two, John five, John eight.
Whether you're a Pagan, a Unitarian, a Polytheist, a Satanist,
they all don't count. It doesn't matter because it only
takes one error or heresy or schism to cut you off.
That's what they don't understand. It's not a let me
stack up and get eighty percent of the worship of God.
I'm gonna worship ninety percent of God via accepting nine
of the ten attributes, and then I'm good. The Roman
Caloity Church itself taught, as we saw in Satis Cognitum
and Mestichi Corporus, that any one heresy severs you from
the mists to go body and the worship and grace
of God. One heresy, one rejection. So if you're anti trinitarian,
you're already out. It doesn't matter. The religion is premised
on anti trinitarianism. And every romanccount that I've ever heard
says Jehovah's witnesses don't count. Uh, then Muslims don't count.
And you just contradicted yourself on your body in two documents.
We've got a double barrel Trent slaying in the past
couple of weeks. This is great both Trents baboom gom
baby weak sauce. And if you want to support the stream,
you get do somebody super chats. I'm gonna go to
supertests just a second. Let's see where he goes next.
Look at this quoting. Why is he quoting this random
like cardinals from Reserve Lisora tor Romano, which is a newspaper.
One cannot consider Mormon doctrine a heresy. The teaching Mormons
has a completely different matrix really, are you sure about that,
because as we saw, they're not actually as far off
compared to the Muslims. Light you think this is how
ignorant Trent is of Islamic teaching by thinking that, well, actually,
Mormons are way further away than Muslims are. Wait a minute.
A Mormon can affirm the proposition Jesus Christ is the
Messiah and the divine Son of God the Father, and
I worship the Spirit. Do you know a Muslim? A
Mormon can say that phrase, isn't that closer in terms
of the phrase itself closer to our position as trinitarians
and believers in Jesus's divinity. Well, the proposition itself, on
its surface, sure is closer. Ah, But wait a minute.
All the meanings of the terms, according to what more think,
cancel it out, according to these goobers. Oh so, wait
a minute, Mormon errors cancel it out. But when Muslims
make exactly identically wrong, radically different meanings for creator or
omnipotent or cause first cause, it doesn't cancel out. This
is a double standard hypocrisy because their whole position is
a double standard hypocrisy. It's all ad hoc in contradictory.
When a Mormon says creation, he means God, the Father,
who's a man working with pre existing matter that's eternal.
When a Muslim says creation, it means Allah creating good
and evil, and that good and evil. I mean, I
can't make sense of that, but that's what the Korn says.
Allah creates evil, wills it to exist. I'm not kidding uh.
And the Allah at every second destroys and recreates the world.
That's occasionalism. On what basis is that idiocy somehow closer
to the Mormon idiocy. They're both bad. By the way,
Roman Catholics love Aristotle. Aristotle holds to the Mormon view
that matter is eternal. It's all arbitrary. And look at
that goblin there, and this old goblin he's citing here,
and just look at that dude. That dude's face alone
is enough to show me that this isn't true.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Is that Vatican two causes the ambiguity by saying that
Muslims worship, adore, the One True God and know him.
That ambiguity leaves it open as if that worship is
accepted and that it is a genuine pipeline to God.
Speaker 4: But if it's ambiguitiguous, that means it doesn't have to
have this problematic meaning.
Speaker 1: No, I said that it's ambiguous and it's wrong. It
can be both. Some statements can be ambiguous, And what
I was talking about that was ambiguous was the statement
Plan of Salvation. Now again, I want to go thank
Michael Lofton for coming in clutch. Mc lofton helped us
out with this because I wasn't even aware of this
nineteen ninety seven Vatican document. What I'm talking about is ambiguous.
Is plan of Salvation includes those that acknowledge the Creator.
That phrase alone is ambiguous because it could mean that
Muslims are saved in Islam. It could mean that Muslims
too can be saved through Christ coming out of Islam.
The passage itself right there is ambiguous, So I don't
know what they meant by that. The sense that I
think it has is that Islam is Salvafic and we
are confirmed in that reading which also refused Trent. Thank
you to mc lofton who came to the rescue. This
is so helpful and I'm so thankful to my boy
loft Dog. I'll forgive all of those carbohydrate sins because
He gave us such a blessed gift. In this nineteen
ninety seven Vatican document clarifying what's meant in Vatican two,
what is meant there? The spirit of Christ is present
in the religions, and you cannot rule out that he's
saving people in Islam through Islam. The religions are selvific
as such. So there we go. That's what Vatican two
means right there. And when John Paul the Second speaks
to the Muslims in Casablanca and Morocco in nineteen eighty five,
that's what it means. So when I said it's ambiguous,
I'm talking about certain passages being ambiguous. And I was
also talking about what sense we mean by worship and adore,
because our opponents in that debate were shifting it to
be about sense and referent linguistically, That's not what the
debate was. From timcast that made this a huge issue.
The debate was about worship, love and adore, not linguistic referent.
I don't care if you want a debate linguistic reference,
that's fine. And that's what FDA took upon himself to
argue in the debate, I argue the magisterial contradiction position
which they agreed to and then wouldn't address. So now
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Speaker 1: What up maximum.
Speaker 2: On you?
Speaker 6: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hello, yup, Hello, hey hey hey Jay. So what I
kind of wanted to talk a little.
Speaker 6: Bit about today is about how this because what Print
and these people tend to be arguing is this sort
of like nineteenth century you know, Trident team natural philosophy,
God natural God.
Speaker 7: Of natural religion, you know, pure nature, but you.
Speaker 6: Know the Vatican two and and the Vatican too. Religion
and the reformations that were made to their fundamental dogmatic system.
I didn't even really believe in pure nature in a sense,
and because if you look at no illuminagentium in these documents.
One thing that I was surprised that people haven't talked
about more is the stuff about the Hindus and the
Buddhists and.
Speaker 2: The assert that.
Speaker 1: The assertion what you cut out By the way I
included the Hindu statement, I'm pretty sure I included. I
know I included it in my lecture a couple of
nights ago. I think I included it in the debate too,
but I don't remember. Let's see where you at, dog
you cut out, we can't hear you. In Hinduism, men
contemplate the divine mystery and expressed it through their myths.
They seek freedom from the anguish of our condition and
through ascetic practices and profound meditation, or a flight to
God with love and trust. So Hindus in Hinduism have
a flight to God capital g and love and trust. Now,
remember how many Roman Catholics argued against me in the
last two or three weeks that that's not talking about
the true God Ah, but the excellent work of mcclofton
loft doll coming through showing us in the nineteen ninety
seven Vatican Document in paragraph eighty four that it absolutely
does talk about the One True God within the Hindu context.
Speaker 8: Oops.
Speaker 9: Uh oh oh oh a let oh.
Speaker 1: But thank you for reminding me that it's the same
either way. Remember, Paul says Hinduism darkness and demonic Vatican two.
It's a flight to God capital G. That's all you
need to know. Right. If that doesn't show you, is
this not clear enough?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What else do you need? And did you notice again
Trent totally looks over the actual worship that the popes
do via their actions in synagogues and mosques. Where was
Trent on that? By the way, So Trent is ignoring
all of the things that would be tremendous, devastating failures
in his position. Here's Pope Francis. Do not say this
is speaking to the Muslims, or actually it might be
speaking to Pagans. Do not say my religion is more
true than yours. All paths are paths to God. I
will use an analogy. They are like different languages expressing
the divine. Here's Francis agreeing with us and Trent Doherty
that it's a relativistic Whatever you worship still counts and
gets you to God. My God is more important than yours.
Is this true? There's only one God and all religions
are languages and paths to reach God. Some are Sikhs,
some are Muslims, some are Hindu, some are Christian. This
is Francis telling you what Vatican two means. Hello, there
you go. It's over case closed. We played this video
when Francis said it last year between all of my outlets.
It got over one hundred thousand views. Francis is talking
about this.
Speaker 10: Cold.
Speaker 1: How does you Roman Catholics not see this at this time?
That's what it says. Jehuassa says exactly correctly. The document
says Hindus attain spiritual liberation? How do you attain spiritual
liberation in the demonic religion of Hinduism? It says something
about Buddhists too. Let me see how it words the
Buddhist statement Buddhism perfect state of liberation and illumination in Buddhism.
Pretty sure, Buddhism, which disagrees with there being a personal
God unless you're a Tibetan Buddhist, which worships demons explicitly.
Buddhism is not theistic. There's no personal God in non
Tibetan Buddhism as far as I'm aware. I'm not a
Buddhist expert, but I don't think they believe in a
personal God. We can ask Uma Thurman's dad, who's like
the American authority on all Buddhism. Literally, Oh, I forgot,
Let's go back to the Maximus. You want to finish
your we lost you dropped off.
Speaker 2: Than can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so sorry.
Speaker 6: What I was trying to get at is that in
the nineteen century, like Catholics believed that revelation was this
like propositional knowledge that comes from these two sources of
scripture and tradition. After Vatican Two, they believe that revelation
is the self disclosure of God. That's transcendental, that's going
on in all human beings.
Speaker 1: Interesting and and.
Speaker 6: If you look at all their big you know, enrage lubach.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of some of the other ones,
Bernard Lonergan, Carl Ronner, like his idea of a spiritual
existential that's where all this comes from.
Speaker 2: And the popes.
Speaker 6: The nineteenth century popes attacked this theory as the theory
of vital imminence.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is the this is in the this is
in the the pre Vatican to Papal Documents book.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, and that, and they attack a humanism.
One of the reasons in the anti ecumenical and cyclical
I forget its name, but it says, yeah, yeah, it
says this is based off the idea of vital iminence
and that all these religious practices that these people are
doing are the fruit of man's inner religious drive, right
or something like that, and there and therefore it's valid.
And the other thing I was gonna hit on a
little bit is another place where this was condemned was
Kumania Gennaris, where Enre de Lubac, who eventually was made
a cardinal, his ideas were condemned.
Speaker 2: And a big part of his.
Speaker 6: Ideas was that, you know where traditionally they taught that,
you know, man is in a natural state, and then
where he doesn't have a drive to the beativic.
Speaker 1: Vision and oh, let's I'll sow down to a second.
This is important because vital eminence, it's not mortalium. Animals
it's in the other encyclical condemning modernism from Pious the
tenth called Chendi Dominici grazias, and it's paragraph seven that
talks about vital eminence. This is really good man, Thank
you so much for calling in, because I probably have
haven't read Patindi in probably fifteen years. And this is
really important to know that even revelation, when the term
is used by a lot of these Vaticans to post
Vatican too theologians, is not what we think of as
revelation in the sense of, like you said, propositions from
scripture and tradition. It's this imminent existential experience that's happening
in every religion in like a William James sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And part of this is so traditionally Homism
would say, like when you're in a state of grace,
you know, faith moves you to assent to the Church's propositions, right,
that it's presented to you, and that you know most
humans are in a state of grace, right, And that
in a state of nature, humans are not oriented towards
the beatific vision.
Speaker 2: It's not part of man's nature. But the whole point.
Speaker 6: Of Nra Dee Lubach's theological project was to say that
all humans, by the nature of their soul, is oriented
towards the b TWOK vision. So all humans, all human cultures,
is driven toward God. And this was condemned in humanity
generis and he was censored and you know, banned from teaching,
and then he became a theological advisory Vatican two, a
cardinal you know, when I was in Roman Catholic college,
so they said he was the most important theologian, you know,
and so this kind of just speaks to that contradiction,
but also that you know, Trent wants to say, oh, well,
you know, a monotheistic God. Yeah, it's like eighty percent
of the way there. It's kind of you know, it's
it's more accurate and less accurate. But they're not just
saying that, oh, the Muslims are somewhat accurate because they
have a you know, believe in a creator. They're saying
that Muslims spiritual practices.
Speaker 1: Are are the fruits of.
Speaker 6: Grace, the fruits of the Holy Spirit, Yes, which is
which is act you in all humans. And so I
just kind of wanted.
Speaker 1: To no, that's actually a key puzzle piece exactly so
when the nineteen ninety seven Vatican Document says it's the
Spirit of Christ working through Islam and the religious practices
and rights of Islam, that's the why Benedict thinks and
Francis thinks, well, I can go into the moss and
pray towards Mecca because it's the Holy Spirit present there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And Pope Benedict's doctoral thesis, which was I believe initially
rejected for heresy, was specifically saying that.
Speaker 2: It was a thesis on Bonaventure, and.
Speaker 6: It was saying that the propositional theory of revelation is incorrect.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 6: And it's this sort of self disclosing kind of thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And that's also how you get to the idea of
like doctrinal development, the idea that dogmas are historically relative.
Speaker 1: On the second right, they're just sort.
Speaker 6: Of encapsulations of these things.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what lamentabilia is condemning. A potent he's condemning
is this idea that revelation is not fixed, but it's
a ongoing process.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And but there's statements from like the Vatican Theological Commission
that says like, yeah, you know, we shouldn't restrict the
dogmas to you know, the philosophical constructions of their time,
you know.
Speaker 2: The way they were. So so that's where.
Speaker 6: The whole you know, the whole system, the whole system.
Speaker 2: Of this comes together.
Speaker 6: Is a different notion of revelation, different notion of dogma.
And that's kind of like for me, the key to
understanding the development of doctrine, the acumenism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great point, all kinds.
Speaker 6: Of all kinds of different factors, factors.
Speaker 1: And absolutely really good points. So that's why I keep
telling people you got to read the the sixteen Papal
Documents book from ten publishers, because it really refutes all
this nonsense. And thank you so much for reminding me
of a potendi and the vital imminence idea of Delubac.
I know that potendis prior to de Lubac is the
same principle banantium Emperor.
Speaker 2: What's up? Two things?
Speaker 12: I had a question, but the first thing is a
comment that I think I found another like major defeater
argument for the stupidest thing.
Speaker 2: I have a question.
Speaker 12: If God is worshiped, no matter the reference, why does
God explicitly state four times in the Old Testament that
he's jealous.
Speaker 1: And not to go after other gods, and that you
have to know and name him. God self discloses his
name so that you know which deity you're picking your
referend out.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 12: And I was just thinking about this and what you
were just discussing. Do you think this is because of
the obsession with focusing on God from the essence?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when I one of the things I read
that really shook me of a lot of this was
when I read Loski talking about how there's no such
thing as worshiping or knowing a divine attribute that comes
to you that's not in the mode of trinity. And
once I understood that, I was like, oh, that's why
you can't deduce attributes apart from trinity like natural theology,
and this monad idea does right. So in other words,
any attribute that comes down to you, as Basil says,
whether it's God's love, God's mercy, or whatever, they come
in the mode of trinity. So that means every attribute
is necessarily a trinitarian attribute or a triadic attribute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 12: It's it's just like throughout all these conversations I watched
the entire AP debate last night, which is ridiculous. The
whole like all users day thing, the litany of things
that guy Trent said yesterday was wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah he got I mean, this is amazing because that
shrink guy just like further went down the rabbit hole
of exposing like how heterodoxy actually is.
Speaker 12: Well, and I found it really disconcerting that basically we're
getting called Protestants because we're quoting scripture or.
Speaker 1: Let them, let them, let them make that statement and
then sever themselves from divine revelation because that's all they're doing.
And by the way, that would mean that all of
their church fathers that and all of their doctors of
the church that quote the scriptures are also Protestant.
Speaker 12: It's so stupid, Oh it is. And there's another thing
I just I wanted to point out. It's like they
keep quoting that goork said on document, which I'm not
even quite sure fully says the same thing that veticantinues.
Speaker 1: It is vague, but I don't think it goes as
far as I cantine I read it last night.
Speaker 2: It really doesn't.
Speaker 12: But I'm like, can we just claim that the Catholic
Church their entire position is based off of German bishops.
What do you mean, Well, it's a stupid it's a
stupid like double standard. Like obviously they make the claim
that things are a magisterial at certain times and whatnot.
But then for us, because they don't understand our ecclesiology,
they just make a stupid statement like, oh, go arc
sento equals Eastern Orthodox magisterial teaching, right, And I'm like, okay,
so anything the South American bishops or the Germans.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly can we apply Can we apply
that center to you? Of course not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so stupid. I'm like, how many times?
Speaker 12: How many times are we going to hear some ridiculous
thing come out of Germany every day for the last
decade and a half and then we don't bring Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you so much. I don't mean to cut
you off with your finished Excuse me, Ash, what's up? Ash?
What's up? By the way, I don't even think it's
a synod. It's just a document that go Arts put
out that's saved. The document. I forget what it's called.
It's called the Social Ethos document from the Greek Orthodox
archdiocese and it has the patriarchs. It has Bartholomew's endorsement,
so it says it is approved by the Synod. So
it's a go Arc synodyl document. Well, if I thought
that go Ark had a infallibility, I guess that would
be a really good argument. But what's up, ash? I mean,
we've been critiquing Alpedo Foros and Bartholomew for over a decade.
Even before I was Orthodox, I was like, I don't
know this is Bartholomew. Guys, sus dude, do you do
you want to see my old podcast about this? What's up? Man?
You there? Here's a critique of ecumenism in every group
seven months ago with Kotel. That's a clip Kotel put up.
Here is me critiquing ecumenism seven years ago, almost seven
six and a half seven has almost one hundred thousand views. Oh,
I just started. When is Jay gonna call out the
ep in Nuq? Right here? Here's another one calling out?
Let me let me remember what I titled it. Here's
one seven years ago. Patriarch of Constantinople, Ukrainian Schism, Ecumenism
and Masonry. Seven years ago, when'd you go talk about
communism and talk to CIA's man in Constant at the
Nople one year ago. History of Ecumenism four months ago.
Jay Dyer on acumenism with Cotel three years ago.
Speaker 10: That's the original one.
Speaker 1: Humunism and natural theology four months ago. Let's see, there's
another one that's not coming up, and it's called for
follow you. Here's one critiquing of bar following you in
the Greeks at dire Eclipse. There's a there's one more. Oh,
it's called something like spooks here it is spooky subversion
of American Orthodoxy seven years ago. Look, this has almost
thirty thousand views. When's it gonna talk about Kuban? Don't dunk,
dun dud. Look at this? Did you know? Did y'all
see how I found? Somebody found a video that's somehow
collected together all the Roman Catholics this week? Check this out?
Did you guys see this video? You gotta see this.
We found the Roman Catholics this week one video. This
is kind of wild. You wouldn't think this would be possible.
It's kind of you could argue, it's almost miraculous really
that this video came together.
Speaker 10: Where is it at.
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 10: It is right here? Watch this.
Speaker 1: This is all the Roan Candles this week were sighting
the Kuran glove. What's up?
Speaker 2: M Yeah, what's up Jay?
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Hey? Yeah?
Speaker 13: I was just uh I hones if you saw that
post earlier where Sam Schamun was talking to agent talking
about the energy's essence distinction, and he's just like sitting there,
just like agreeing with everything he's saying.
Speaker 1: There's the same guy who replied to me blaspheming the energies.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I was like, wait, he basically switches up like every
five seconds.
Speaker 15: It's kind of insane.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to think that he, like Sam Schimun, might
literally be mpdd I D Like he might actually have
multiple persons. I'm being serious, Like you might actually have
the multiple person Yeah.
Speaker 13: I agree, But I mean one thing I didn't want
I just wanted to add is that in natural theology,
God is not the only thing that you're able to
reason to, like for example, you can reason to these
sort of like natural goods. But for example, like imagine
like someone who thinks they're doing the good thing. Like
imagine if if a paper is said to like you know,
like a grapist, you do good with us, Like he
says that too a greepist because they can naturally reason
too good and try.
Speaker 8: To do it.
Speaker 13: Wouldn't that be kind of insane?
Speaker 2: Like you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the worst Jim Bob's little cartoon,
and he did. Did you see Jim Bob's cartoon?
Speaker 13: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the Superman one.
Speaker 1: No, the gay the gay again?
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that one. Yeah yeah, yeah,
that's that's all I came to say. But you know,
a good job. This is actually hilarious content. And I
think you're absolutely right that Roman Catholics are molding left
and right, and it's pretty much over. I mean, I
can't even imagine trying to stay with this kind of system.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the one about well, I wasn't
cheating on my wife, I was improperly having sex with
her with another woman.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that was pretty But if you really think
about it, I mean, what would he even say to
say that's not actually the case. I mean, because I've
seen that dupe pope perspector, like he'll, like I thought,
Muslim trying to say we don't worship the same God,
and he's literally injecting into the Muslim's mouth.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes you do, Yes, you do, Yes, you do.
Speaker 13: But it's like, how are you gonna say?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They're literally saying that people like Jake that left
Catholicism to be Muslims are still worshiping the Trinity. It's
the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Edward, what's up? I'm
you Edward?
Speaker 16: Oh hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: Jake? Thanks for having me on?
Speaker 8: Huh Hey.
Speaker 17: So I also suffered through almost the whole Trent Diddy
AP debate last night, and despite his bad arguments, I
thought it was interesting that, like he opens up saying that,
like he doesn't even really care about this whole point
he's which is weird, like why he would spend hours
debating it and getting so angry when he says it
doesn't matter and he kind of says he doesn't care, but.
Speaker 2: Then he closed it out. Oh yeah.
Speaker 17: But also in the middle of it, AP is you know,
his style is a lot different than you. He was
kind of very soft spoken and passive, but just kind
of persistently disagreeing with him and Trent. Trent was still
getting real angry about it, really, like yeah, like you
could tell he was just getting getting pissed off and
just because he was asserting his position over and over.
Speaker 2: And AP wouldn't agree with him. Weird.
Speaker 17: But then by the end he says that this stuff
really matters, and he's basically trying to say it's the
same thing as is like someone's genuinely trying to be
a Christian but they don't have a perfect understanding of
the Trinity.
Speaker 2: And he's kind of.
Speaker 17: Suggesting that that's the same thing as being a Muslim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did hear the clip. Let's see if this
is a hold on right here. Let let's hear this
brief clip here.
Speaker 18: The eternal rejection and exclusion and punishment of those who
reject Gone and to reject who don't have to be
the gospel of far Lord Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yes, but but that that begs the question.
Speaker 19: There's lots of I'm saying that Muslims do know God,
so they don't fall.
Speaker 1: Under this verse.
Speaker 8: And many Muslims do obey the gospel.
Speaker 18: No single most of my based the Gospel of of Christ.
No single God actually knows trinity. It doesn't matter because
you believed our testimony.
Speaker 1: To you, Muslims follow the Gospel of Christ. According to Trent,
I mean this dude is like literally like I think
he's actually like not there or some sort of weird
I don't know what, but.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it was insane man Like, it's very odd and
it's very odd how how the Catholic seemed.
Speaker 8: Thing is true now to support.
Speaker 1: This good because the more they double down, the worst
this makes it for them. Here's this other.
Speaker 8: Quote of.
Speaker 1: Jews.
Speaker 19: I think that Christians and Jews worship the same guy,
and I don't think anything so teological follows from that.
Either you could be like a replacement theorist, like you know,
reformed replacement theorist and said Jews are.
Speaker 8: All going to Hell by default.
Speaker 19: You could be kind of an eternal covenant guy like
me that says all Jews are going to Heaven by
default or.
Speaker 1: What, and then somebody said that later on he actually
contradicts that statement. I don't know, but like, I'm sorry
to think that these people are either like insane because
they'll contradict the arguments within a few minutes or within
an hour, or they're like intentionally subversive. I mean, it's
getting bizarre, Like I'm not I don't understand what it's like.
These peopleeple are glitching out, like in this not making
sense even from the vantage point of like, just think
what Roman Catholics were arguing after the Temcast debate. They
were all arguing that we don't worship the same God
as the Muslims, that the Vatican two doesn't say that.
Now it's completely shifted to, of course, we worship the
same God as and Muslims. And you're crazy if you
don't think that. It's getting insane. And I think anybody
with any like hopefully people with some sense, are waking
up from this insanity. This is blown up way bigger
than I would have ever thought this would blow up.
I mean, I figured, okay, we'll do this Timcast debate.
It'll get like a heated kind of blood sporty thing
and then you know, people will forget right, it'll be
a drop in the bucket. Well that led to this
next thing, and this blew up into this even bigger thing.
And now all the quote influencers of the Catholic pop
goober world are talking about it, and the more they
talk about it, the worse it is for them. So
keep talking, you guys are just making this even worse.
Please keep interviewing Trent Doherty because it's just making it
even worse. This is wild. I mean they it's they're
almost acting like the Democratic Party in managing a scandal
or a crisis. Like every time Democrats are these kind
of leftist crazy people try to manage or handle scandals,
they make it twenty times worse with the way they
handle it. So Romc Galcks please keep it up. You
guys are just losing it. I love it. Rice Wine,
what's up? I'm you?
Speaker 20: Oh, sorry for the.
Speaker 21: I gotta question sort of relating to something brought up earlier,
kind of like your take on.
Speaker 2: It in in the video you.
Speaker 9: Were watching earlier in the stream from Trent Horn.
Speaker 21: When he was talking about like if you have the
agnostic friend that you know they're open to the idea
of the Trinity.
Speaker 15: On that sort of.
Speaker 21: Note, when you're dealing with someone who's into Christianity.
Speaker 1: But they're the sort of that's not analogous to a
Muslim by the way, because Muslims are not open to
the Trinity. Yeah, I was using that as a springboard
to what I'm asking.
Speaker 21: You're dealing with one of the like sort of like
new age spiritual Christians that they're saying, you know, denominations
don't really matter. How would you just like very very
basics of why that's wrong. I mean, obviously there's a
par thora, but I'm kind of that.
Speaker 1: Well, because God has always been worshiped with a communal worship,
So there's no such thing as being a lone gunner
or doing the religion DIY. There is a community within
history that is the people that have the worship of God.
That's the point here, and so we A big mistake
that's being made on all parties here other than the orthodox,
is that people are thinking of worship as a mental
propositional thing. I assent to these propositions, therefore have the
right God. That's not what worship is. That might be
one element or one small part of worship having the
right propositions or confessing the creed. Imagine thinking that worship
is just saying the creed. That's not worship. Worship, that's
a small part of worship. I should say worship because
the Creed is part of liturgy obviously, but it's not
the climax of the liturgy. It's early on right. The
climax of the liturgy is the eucharistic offering and the communion,
and that happens in a community. Communion happens in a
community with a priesthood and an alter and a temple
on a sacrifice. Outside that, it's not properly speaking worship.
And once we understand that, a lot of this argument
sophistry deflection falls away. Stephen, where's my Quran? I think
it's really powerful to just have I mean, these people
want to have like powerful experiences with the Koran. Let's
just pull it up. What was it? Five forty seven?
I think what's up? Man?
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 1: Four something?
Speaker 2: Hey, can you real it?
Speaker 9: Uh huh?
Speaker 2: Nice? Yeah, so Andy said orthodots to. People have a
lot different opinions between each other. I just want to
know what you think about that.
Speaker 21: For example, I got somebody here Buttropolitan Clystol's ware. He says,
God is not the private property of Christians, the same
God as worshiped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's where not lare, And it doesn't matter what.
One guy who became a pro gay liberal said, Yes, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't want to join that because he's interrupted servant.
Speaker 1: What are you laughing at? You said his name wrong? Well,
he ran away, Callista's ware, So he just left, he
ran away. Misquoting the guy's name, doesn't even know who
he is, Callista's ware. And then like I'm supposed to
care that some guy became a pro gay guy at
the end of his life, Like what he says, Matthew, what's.
Speaker 2: Up, hey?
Speaker 22: How's it going?
Speaker 1: What's up? Hey?
Speaker 22: So, yeah, it's been a pretty entertaining week. You know,
I got that that initial debate, and then this whole thing,
just the idea that even that first Bible verse.
Speaker 2: Where you know, Christ says, so you know, if you
don't know me, you.
Speaker 13: Don't know the Father.
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. So a couple of thoughts that I had.
Speaker 22: I mean, what would even be the point of Christ
doing everything that he did if everyone is just automatically
referring to.
Speaker 1: What's what's the point of liturgy and worship when you
can just do it anywhere in any group?
Speaker 22: Yeah, like I could just sit here and you know whatever,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 22: And then even you know, yesterday they like Trent and
Apostate Profit they were having this talk or whatever, right,
and I even noticed like Apostate Profit, I mean, he's
an ex Muslim, right, but he was saying like affirming
that point that it's not the same guy, and like
that that collar that called in It was a few
few guys ago who said that Trent was getting kind
of upset and.
Speaker 23: It worked up over it.
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's really weird how important it is for him?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well that could suggest, you know, other motives.
I don't know what those might be, but yeah, I
want that guy that was quoting Callisto's ware to come back. Andres,
I'm you okay, So it's one seventy one. I'm here, man,
what's up? M Andres, I'm mute, all right, don't Clara,
what's up?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Platties, Yeah, Clara, I'm mute. Hello, good Diepning, what's on
your mind? It's a bunch of weirdos tonight, Matt, what's up? Man?
I love good deepening. Watch up for Calista's wire? Hello,
what's up? Yeah?
Speaker 24: I think that guy was confused with the t Move
version of callistos warez, so nothing is wrong.
Speaker 25: But anyway, I'm a I'm a much bigger fan of
Callistos over Bro. He's barely the best geologian, but he
check it out, Bro, he's so calls the best.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 24: I did watch the Trent and ap debate, and I
was just really frustrated with this whole Superman syllogism thing.
And look, I know this is going to be probably
repeated amongst lots of Catholics that are kind of interactions
with Is there is there any kind of simple refutation
that just breaks the syllogism straight away, because to me,
it seems like a confusion.
Speaker 1: Of Well, in the analogy, the two are already the same,
and that's the thing in question. So the easiest way
to refute is to just reject the analogy out of him,
because if the thing in question is are they the same?
And you pick an analogy where they are the same,
it doesn't make any sense and it's kind of stupid.
But beyond that, I said, well, Clark Kent and Superman
are actually cal el and so that's a deception. Clark
Clark Kent is a deception. So this would mean that
the true God, YEAHWEH is deceiving people through the various
other religions, which actually fits with the Vaticanto perennials view white.
This is just the color white, the official color white.
So I'm you, I don't understand why people come in
here and want to speak and then they just never
on you. What's the point, Pete? What's up?
Speaker 26: Man?
Speaker 1: Pete?
Speaker 9: Nice H?
Speaker 1: Hello, Okay, I.
Speaker 15: Hate you responded, well, one of my comments I asked
about choose prior to Jesus, and you said, well, they
they did believe in the Trinity?
Speaker 8: Correct it generally?
Speaker 23: So?
Speaker 2: And when did that stop? I guess maybe you just clarify.
Speaker 1: Like when did it stop?
Speaker 22: Yeah?
Speaker 23: When did you generally stop believing in the Trinity?
Speaker 1: Well, according to Jewish scholarship, first second, third century Judaism
was not monolithic, so there were all always rabbinic schools
and traditions of people who consider the possibility that Yahweh
had multiple persone or hypostasis. So that's discussed in Benjamin Sohmer,
Peter Schaeffer, Daniel boyar In. I list all the books
in this in my opening statement that I have on
my Twitter here in the with Daniel Hoikikachu so also
Alan Siegel's book Two Powers in Heaven. Uh. Now, as
the Talmud gets codified by the fourth and fifth century,
Rabbinic Judaism begins to move more towards the Unitarian position,
because I think it's Rabbi I went from memory, Rabbi
Akiva or somebody gets their their argument for multiple powers
gets rejected, and that's early on. But y are In
discusses that in the second century or third century, I think.
But the idea that of a of a unified Unitarian position,
Benjamin Sohmer, the Jewish scholar, argues, isn't actually until Mimon eighties.
Speaker 23: Okay, but you i'm the announcement that.
Speaker 2: You think that the view among them was normal up.
Speaker 1: To Yes, Jesus makes this argument when he says Abraham
and Moses talked with me, right, But.
Speaker 23: Just because Jesus says it doesn't need the majority that
thought that way.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the majority thinks. If Jesus says it,
that settles it. He's the ultimate authority.
Speaker 23: Oh yeah, But my question is what what they thought,
like what Jews generally thought in that term, Maybe maybe
the evidence is not there.
Speaker 1: Well, in the days of Jesus, Jesus is there giving
witness to him being the second person the Trinity, who
was the God of the Old Testament. And so when
he presents that to the Pharisees, they rejected, demonstrating that
they are Unitarian Pharisees.
Speaker 23: Sure, yes, okay, And when was that post who said that?
Speaker 2: Were the sources.
Speaker 1: It's right here on my Twitter. It's called the Jewish Trinity.
You can also look up my video Jewish. It's also
my opening statement to the debate I had with the
Muslim Daniel Hakikachew.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely good question. Yeah, please do check out the
text there because these are very important texts for making
this point against Muslims. And it turns out now the
Unitarian Roman Catholics slinger what's up man? Yes, Abraham worship Jesus.
People just have such a hard time with this. I mean,
this is why the whole argument is so stupid from
Trent Horne to cite the dialogue with Try for the
jew because the whole book is against what he argued
against me. In my first debate with Trent, Trent argued
the Old Testaments unitarian. The whole point of the Book
of Justin Martyr is that it's not Unitarian book. What's up?
Speaker 2: Hear me? Huh?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 27: I had a I guess two things to ask. There
was a video I like a clip I saw. I
don't remeber where I saw. It was Sam Shamoum basically
saying his interpretation of Vatican two, where it's like in
an evangelical sense, like that might have in an evangelizing sense,
like when you're trying to convert someone you don't, you.
Speaker 13: Know, off the bat, tell them they're worshiping the devil.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. You can't cloak heretical
statements in evangelism. I'm gonna say a bunch of heterodox
stuff that we worshiped in love and adore the same God. Uh,
for the purpose of tricking you into becoming a Catholic.
That's that's just retarded.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that.
Speaker 27: But what I'm asking is, because Vatican two is a
text that has to be interpreted, how are Catholics going
to ever know what it means?
Speaker 2: Aren't they aren't they like the trad cats and like these.
Speaker 1: Well this is another point where yeah, I brought this. Yeah,
this is another point that I brought up probably a
million times about Roman Catholicism, is that the Vatican two
documents are supposed to themselves be the magisterial clarifications and
guess what, Oh, turns out we need other clarifications like
this document, which I'm sure many Roman Catholics are gonna
say it's not magisterial'll have to accepted. Wait a minute,
but it's a clarification from your magisterium, from the papacy
on Vatican two, which Vatican two was supposed to be
the magisterial clarification. It's an infinite regress of stupidity. As
we have pointed out a million times, I have made
that argument about epistemology. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: Since we've been doing these open forums, and even before that,
one of the first videos I put up was this
papal circularity nonsense Tanner Davis.
Speaker 2: Hellopen yep. I'd like to come, hey, I wanted to
get your thoughts on this. Do you think some of
the confusion for.
Speaker 13: Roman Catholics relates to their denial of the essence energies absolution?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah. Natural theology is premised on the idea
that by reasoning alone, apart from divine revelation, I can
pick out generic attributes of a generic first cause monad
And that's exactly what I debated Trent Horn about. So
notice Trent's natural theology is leading to the same dumb
conclusions of all the rest of these people in positions ethan,
what's up look at people who disagree. By the way,
every time you can remember what's up. John Kell twenty
dollars sig that a great review of the Ap Trent debate.
Check it out. Orthotokeas twenty dollars. I couldn't watch all
Trent's video. He just cited sources about ignorance, but ignores
the fact that the Koran tells Muslims to reject God,
his Father and the Trinity. Yeah, that's because Trent doesn't
actually know what Islam teaches, as it says right here,
very early in the Koran. By the way, this is
book four of the Qoran. People of the book don't
say Trinity, don't say Jesus is God. Let's just leave
that up for these idiots who literally know nothing about Islam.
Steven no Wa, we already went to we're looking for
people who disagree andres you cannot argue as Ortho Toko
says that the Muslims are in a state of invincible
ignorance because Islam is predicated on rejecting the Trinity. I
have said this in every one of these debates. I'm
pretty sure I said it to Tim Gordon and the
Timcast debate too. Islam is not like the pagan guy
on an island. The religion is premised on talhed unifying unity,
which which they think necessitates rejection of Trinity and due
to Christ. This is so obvious. Why are we having
to argue this stupid nonsense? Go ahead?
Speaker 8: Hey?
Speaker 6: What's that?
Speaker 4: Jay?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 13: Hey, so about the whole Acts seventeen that they keep
bringing up.
Speaker 8: It's it's kind of funny.
Speaker 22: Because it's like later on everybody converted anyway, So what
was the purpose.
Speaker 1: Of you know, yeah, why why did they have to convert? Yeah?
Why did they have to convert? If Paul is just
simply saying that they already worshiped the once rug God?
So stupid, Caleb, what's up? Man? Great point.
Speaker 28: So, I was listening to a video that you and
doctor Bo Branson did on how Arians were ninety nine
point nine to nine whatever percent of the same church,
yet their one disagreement was enough to get and excommunicated
and enough to where they weren't actually worshiping the same God.
And when I was listening to you guys discuss this,
this was one of the biggest points that brought me
out of Protestantism, and this would refute Catholics as well,
which is so insane a brother, and so even you know,
just with your journey, because you just make this sound
so easy and so obvious. What was your journey, you know,
coming out of Catholicism and the spiritual life? Because I
have so many friends and they're all just so pharisaical
and Talmudic about their spiritual life, and it's so clear
just listening to all these Catholic apologists, But what was
your journey that really got you out.
Speaker 1: Of I was. I was in the religion of Dead
works of Talmu a Catholicism, so I experienced it firsthand,
and you're absolutely correct. And Manuel, it's this is so stupid.
It's like it's like the Catholic argument is like forcing
a Muslim to say, nah, you're still worshiping Jesus and Trinity.
We got you. And the Muslims like brother one one
one equal to one, one equal to one. I do
the worship Jesus, don't like aternity, do not want And
the Catholics are like, no, stop it, Abdul, You're still
worshiping the same as us. We're all about buddies together.
What's up man? Hey?
Speaker 12: Yeah, So, how does the essence entergy destiction like fix
the problem of defying conceptualism and how God is able
to like round abstrak objects in his mind.
Speaker 2: That creates a problem when it comes to like a.
Speaker 1: Staatey well, because the divine ideas are not synonymous with
or reducible to the divine essence like intunism, so God
is not bound by any necessity to actualize those ideas.
He can actualize some of them and not others, so
it maintains God's free will.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you.
Speaker 1: And also, we don't collapse the uh divine. We don't
collapse universals into being the divine ideas or into being
the divine essence. That's the platonic approach. And that's another problem, Auntie,
what's an anti entity? One plus one plus one equal three?
Icons are adalatry Jay j but Jay can I But
it wasn't next Crawt the draw. If God is really
why does he allow evil? Oh? Crap, what's the name
of it? Unmute dude, channel, We're gonna play that classic.
I haven't played this in a.
Speaker 29: While, James, Jamie, could you make me I express?
Speaker 7: So okay, we're gonna open it up. Let's keep it
on topic.
Speaker 11: One plus one plus one equal free icons are ideala
try Jay j but Jay.
Speaker 7: Can I talk?
Speaker 11: But it wasn't Next Catho dra If God is real,
why does he allow evil?
Speaker 7: Why do you pray to dead people? Traditions of men?
Speaker 8: It's a no brainer.
Speaker 7: You're such a tyrannical rainer. Is this your first time
on the inn?
Speaker 29: Or well?
Speaker 7: I need to change your too, can't say?
Speaker 8: Can tease loads your slow boy?
Speaker 4: Is this your good time?
Speaker 8: Only? Wes jue?
Speaker 7: Was that an uncreated footing part?
Speaker 8: Unmute? Dude?
Speaker 2: Stop repeating my name?
Speaker 24: Dude?
Speaker 7: You Goober's call in or I'll boot you. Where did
we get the Bible from?
Speaker 1: I'll boot you with that uncreative foot what's up?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 1: Are you there? DC Woodworking two dollars Rich Gi became
a member Gainer's five dollars. Trent is an undercover Orthodox
apologist behind enemy lines. He's actually devoted to our calls.
That might be a fun conspiracy theory to entertain. He
has Traditional News two dollars premis one Clark Kent premise
two Lows Slaying premis three Trinity equal Satan. I don't
know what that means. Suko five dollars. It's crazy that
Roman Catholics don't want the Bible to differentiate the true God.
They just want to defend the papacy. That's the god
of the religion. Oh six, oh yeah, twenty dollars. If
Roman Catholics were to ask a Muslim, which person the
Trinity are you worshiping when the end of the debate, Yeah,
this was Jimbob's argument, and I think it's really good.
So if a Muslim, if a Catholic says a Muslim's
worshiping the same God, ask the Catholic, okay, when they
call it God, which person? Debate over because a Muslim
will say it's not Father's not son, it's not a spirit.
So there go. They would pick out Father, but he's
in supparate from Trinity, which Muslims reject. Correct. One of
the raphil twenty dollars favorite thing lately is to press
these coping Roman crep hit hit my camera. Ask the
Catholics to confess they worship the God of Muhammad. Deep
down they know that if they say that, it feels
like apostasy. Well yeah, but they're just following their popes
and worshiping in the monsques. But that's the big issue
here is that this is not intellectual. This is spiritual,
and I would not have you partakers of this, of
the table of demons, as Paul says, the papacy is
tempting you and offering you to partake of the table
of demons relentless RG ten dollars. Would this fit into
the theseus ship paradox? I mean, it's kind of like
the Hooded Man one, isn't it. I don't. I haven't
looked at that in a long time, but it sounds
like it. Contemporary companion of five dollars. Maybe I'm gonna
get frisky with the neighbor we're married. But it's okay
because it's a human. So basically you're a human, so
it's the same human exactly, Slaw Morrison, five dollars. It's
weird to see Protestants promote Judaism with dispensationalism, well, Romancholics
for money, Islam and papalism. It's like it's all one
big siop. Yeah, it's everything, but the Orthodox faith worshiping
the triad G Twenty six five dollars. I'm a pagan,
I worship of Paul Stones, the one God of the paper.
It's all the same God. Yeah, exactly, Miru timbucks, which
heresy of Trent is the worst. All the all Jews
go to heaven, which sounds like the cartoon movie worship
is just an innate feeling. It doesn't matter what you're
actually directing the worship too. I mean they're all terrible.
I mean in saying that Muslims have the Gospel, it
is just I mean, Vatican three coming up soon, all
you tradcats from Suko two dollars. Silvar Ogre became a member,
Jason t two dollars. Vatican three will be spirit of Antichrist. Well,
Vatican two is already spirit of anti Christ. Jordan Lofkin
five dollars. These people think Christians and Muslims have the
same answer based on the question being asked. If it's
the same question, what is that? Fallacy Mott and Bailey fallacy,
I think Dalton five dollars. I'm not a Roman Catholic.
Doesn't it follow that since Vatican one and two are
not always believed, they're not dogmatic. No, that would just
mean that Roman Catholics are not being consistent. It is
supposed to be always believed Jordan. Five dollars. Jay, explain
why people keep skulls on my authos. We have relics.
We believe in relics of the saints, relics just like
the bones of Elisha heal people droning in scenery. Two dollars.
His guy seems like ai Christian fat. I don't know
what that means, Suko, two dollars. The way they solve
this is to invite Trent to a mubahalla that must
be some Islamic thing. I don't know what that is.
Putin wants chesneya which is full of Muslims. Therefore Kirol
will say they worship the same god. Yeah, I mean
there's probably a geopolitical all ecumenism. Actually, I mean it
has a spiritual disease component to it. But actually acumenism
is pretty much a geopolitical Western strategy, and we've covered
that ad infinitum. But that's true. Dude, seriously became a
member Anthony Epsilon became a member Adam crazy ten dollars.
Wait a minute, So if the pope makes a statement,
it's just offhand. If an orthodox patriot makes a statement,
it's binding and dogmatic for all Orthodox, Trent Horne is
not a serious person exactly. Great comment, adam double standards
and not applying our ecclesiology to us, but rather applying
papal ecclesiology to the Orthodox. You'll move five dollars. How
come Latins are so prone to saying that ecumenical councils
are fallible. It's made up position. It's totally heterodox even
in their system. But when they encounter problems, that's where
they go. Christopher got five dollars a sprosey, ten dollars.
The debate is indirectly beneficial for conversion of slow boys,
just on rhetorical grounds. In reality, Romanclloch's worship Satan, so
regardless of the normy's taking it that we are not,
we need to say it.
Speaker 3: That's funny, h.
Speaker 1: Aightism five dollars, dude, really said callistos warrio or the
cost ten dollars. Trent said that Muhammad was a sincere
prophet writing about divorce and marriage with minors. Exactly. He
resorted to saying that everything in the Quran is sincere,
and he affirmed it to defend this position. Yeah, thank you, Trent.
Speaker 2: D.
Speaker 1: Dalwart or whatever his name is. Trent dollwarkt doing some
doll while over there has been way more efficacious for
converting people out of Rome than I could ever be.
David Murdock R. Five dollars. You have a po box
I do? You could email me by that. Charlie Kirk
Small five dollars. Jay is the double Trent slayer. Charlie
Kurk Small five dollars. I think Trent should have a pop.
By the way, romy called should start naming their children
Fatima and Mohammed. Right, Jay, this is my Catholic JIZI
here's two three pounds. Hayley's in the chaff five dollars.
God bless you, Jay Diar, thank you. John Davis five dollars.
Pope Francis told a group of Muslim youth they should
read the Koran and get spiritual benefit from it. Wow,
I mean, this is just getting crazier and crazier. Man,
I didn't even know that some of these, I mean,
John Paul went way further than even I would have expected.
I mean, and that that address to the Muslim youth,
that's pretty wild. I'm not surprised Francis said it, though.
Texas Guy twenty dollars Trent was asked in the ap
debate which person the Muslims worship, and he said they
worshiped the Divine Essence exactly. Maximum nine to eleven became
a member. Charlie Kirk smiled to do why sa one
one one equal three?
Speaker 2: Sir?
Speaker 1: Can we get a little dilla monkey? JB. Peltier? Yes,
you climbed up in that tree. While you're doing up there?
Why are you scared?
Speaker 7: Why you running from every dbaate?
Speaker 1: You ran from Manu who from me.
Speaker 29: Until the monkey you find off in that tree?
Speaker 7: What you doing up there?
Speaker 2: Why you scared?
Speaker 7: Why you run it from thevery de bad You ran
my mantr.
Speaker 8: And from me.
Speaker 7: Then till the pokey like the email monkeys with.
Speaker 29: Them bananas between the trees hanging down upside down.
Speaker 7: That's a smile.
Speaker 14: Side.
Speaker 11: Tell the monkey what you doing to me till until
a monkey.
Speaker 7: Till the mollcky and still the monkey, what's it doing
it to me?
Speaker 29: Till the tiller mom mody till the mom fucking.
Speaker 1: All right, there's enough dylamucky there. Reminder too, this was
something that I noticed popped up. Remember that the biggest
subversives in our country are Catholic charities which involved as
far as we know, at least twenty two million dollars
of open borders resettlement. So remember this is not just
papal academic speculation stuff that we're arguing about here. The
Roman Catholic Church is a subversive institution, that is a
criminal organization via Gladio Vatican Bank, all the stuff I've
talked about ad nauseum. That's another layer of this insidious
subversion that, by the way, Trent Horne has declined multiple
times to debate me on I've offered three times to
debate him on the geopolitical entanglements of the papacy and
what is a better explanation for the actions of the
papacy in the last few centuries, the divine keroism of
patrine guidance, or the entanglements and intelligence operations subverting the Vatican,
which are better explanations for its actions. No Roman Catholic
will debate me on that. I've asked scholars, I've asked professors,
and I think we saw this week the quality of
debate that we get from the Roman Catholic scholars and professors.
So don't hold your breath. They will never debate me
on the geopolitics of the papacy A Panini. The census
on our Acee and ethnic origins were banned in France
in nineteen seventy eight. That's because the plan to import
Islam was long in the works, long in the tooth.
G Twenty six two dollars. Mohammad will be a saint
in the Romancelli Church, exactly, Eli p A certain pagan
wants to debate you. It says you're scared. I don't care.
Jason Tammy twenty dollars, Keep up the great work. Joey
Hernandez ten dollars. Do you ever play double seven video
games of non movie material? Did you ever play double
seven video games of non movie material? I played the
one that came out on Xbox. It was pretty fun.
Remember that. There was like a it was like an
Xbox Bond game that was like all the old ones.
I think it was Daniel Craigan was That was a
lot of fun. I don't remember what it was called.
What was own called? Yeah, this is it? Oh, So
if I want to play this, i'd have to get it.
I didn't even know that. I thought the Xbox had one.
I don't know I had all these, I might be
thinking a quantum of Solace, Bloodstone. I don't think I
played this one. I don't remember this. I think I did.
I did play Golden I reloaded. I remember that. Yeah,
twenty eleven. This sounds right. Yeah, this is This was
a lot of fun on Xbox on my head by
to quote little John my ed Ba. So the answer
is yes, but I have taken a year off of
any games. I only played some games when I finished
Estary CALLI with three. That was a treat because I
took a year off of video games. So I've still
got another six months of no gaming. Just because I
like to fast from things and get work done. I
probably would have never gotten necessarily with three done if
I hadn't chosen to fast from games. Not because I'm
a huge gamer, but I was playing the PS five
Indiana Jones, which was a lot of fun, and I
was like, this is taking a lot of time by
the way I got to the last dude, and I
have to keep having this problem where I'm getting to
the last dude in games and I'm not strong enough
to beat him. This happened in Final Fantasy seven. It
happened in Final Fantasy Team fourteen or fifteen, and it
happened in the New James Bond or the New Indiana
Jones game on PS five. So this is really getting
on my nerves. Video games used to be structured to
where you couldn't get to the last dude if you
weren't strong enough. Right now, it's like you can actually
accidentally get to the last dude and then you have
to like go to some way far back save, which
is super annoying. I can't even read that name, un rose. Ooh,
we we got some soul, Jay Die, I got soul,
Charlie Kurk small. Can we get Elvis? If I can dream? Impression? Uh,
I'm trying to think of the Elvis song I'm always
I used to always sing, what's it called? Crawlfish? How's
it go? Coral fish? Oh well, went into I'm trying
to remember the lyrics.
Speaker 20: How the lyrics to Crawlfish go coral Fish?
Speaker 1: I haven't sung Elvis in a while, trying to remember
how it goes? Oh well, I went into the body
just last night. There was no moon, but the stars
were bride.
Speaker 30: Put a big long hook in a big long pull
and I pulled mister crawlfish out of his hole, coral fish.
Speaker 1: How's that, KRALI, that's a little rusty. I haven't done
Elvis in a while, so that's just on the spot.
I gotta practice a little bit. Trent Gavis, Trent Grant,
excuse me, five dollars. I was watching a movie about
Bartholomew's Dame Ascer. It's another example of the Cumanism in
the West having an underlying political motive. Uh interesting, I
like to see what movie that is. Tell me about that,
Gary g ten dollars, you miss my super chat. Do
not worry for the tech fund. Cameron capturing Christianity. By
the way, I've always wondered about that name, capturing Christianity.
Does that mean he's like capturing it, like I'm gonna
capture and take over. I don't know, just another example
of a cumunism, the way he saw a marketing opportunity
and took the grift. Yeah, exactly. He's the Lily j
of Catholicism. A you know, like, who's that Muslim, blonde
model chick that just spouts out dollar stuff? Zar Nicholas,
Does it get you down five dollars? Dealing with Roman
clut nonsense. It can be discouraging. I mean, I'm so
used to this, bro. I've been debating the Roman Catholic
stuff since the year two thousand.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 1: I first encountered Catholic apologetics in two thousand, two thousand
and one. Of all places in a Yahoo Chat or
Instant Messenger room remember instant Messenger And they used to
have the rooms and you could go in and debate.
Remember that. And I remember I found a Catholic room
one time. I was like, I want to debate these dudes.
What was that called.
Speaker 9: Back in the day?
Speaker 1: This is it? Remember this? Welcome to the wide world
of what. By the way, sky Court. They're funny that
they did a lot of good funny videos. Welcome.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Smamerzonia.
Speaker 31: And on today's episode, we're gonna learn how to chat
with friends. Now let's check out the Boddy list here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this on what is AOL? And you
could get like, oh this still exists?
Speaker 32: You can still quick What do you think of when
you think of messaging apps? Discord I Message Instagram kind
of seventeen. Having been basically on life support with the
development team for most of the twenty tens, well, owing
to its strong cultural impact, there have been a few
community attempts at reviving it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there used to be these rooms that you
could go into and AOL's instant messenger, and there was
like Catholic room, Protestant room, and it would just be
like just spam, like just arguments and debates in a
I am AOL instant messenger. That was a that was
a blast in the past. Dude. I remember that. That
was the first time I countered Roman Catholics and I
would argue with them in there. I have to say,
by the way, they beat me because I didn't know
anything about church fathers and they were basically just spamming
church father quotes about like the real presence. And I
was like, well, I didn't know.
Speaker 33: Augustine said that, Joey, what's up, man, Joey, what's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: What's up? Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Uh huh?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 14: Okay?
Speaker 31: So I was wondering, from the Roman Catholic position, is
there any ought for Orthodox to become Catholic.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not consistent because, like if you read Vatican one,
the very last statement is that if you don't believe
Vatican one, you're an anthema, you're damned. So technically yes.
Speaker 31: Yeah, And then I was also wondering, like, because they
admit that Eastern Orthodox have valid sacraments, uh huh right uh?
If that means that they have a valid Eucharist, and
Christ says, whoever you know eats his flesh and drinks
his blood.
Speaker 2: Has eternal life, then what is that insinuable?
Speaker 1: Well, a trade cat's gonna say that even though it's
valid and the grace is present, if you're in harras
your schism, that prevents you from getting the grace. So
that's what a track gat's come say.
Speaker 2: So then like from that standpoint, what does the grace
even mean? Then?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 31: Like, if they're saying that the sacraments are valid, what
does that even mean?
Speaker 1: The sacraments are valid objectively and externally. The grace is
present there, right, but you're not getting access to it.
It's not benefiting your soul because the heresy or the
schism that you're in is an impediment to the grace
that is present there. Oh okay, I see that's the
trade cat answer to that question.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks to Yeah, good.
Speaker 1: Question, And that's because of the sort of extreme Augustinian
ex opery oproat of you. Anthony, what's up, I'm already
just sing some songs, dude. Let's see what we got
over here in the song list. What about I'll show
you what I've been all this boring ass nerd ship dude.
It's just getting on my nerves. Man, this is so
much what I've been listening to Christopher Cross.
Speaker 8: Right, I'm gonna win.
Speaker 1: What's up? Man, I'm you all got some okie now?
In nineteen seventy nine up in here seventy six, let's say.
Speaker 2: The more boring stuff for you.
Speaker 1: Go for it. I'm gonna listen to Japanese seventies funk
while you talk about it.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 14: So I just want this. I want to strengthen my
critique I had yesterday. So at hour two minute four
of the debate, when Cameron interrupted, he restated Trent's position. Basically,
Trent's semantic artment requires you to tell a story that
fixes the reference, and then ap goes on to state
that the reference is basically changing, and then Cameron and
Trent go on him saying I don't.
Speaker 2: Know what's good. They throw their hands up. I don't
know what's going on? Why is it so.
Speaker 14: They believe they believe in God, and then they don't,
and then they believe in Allah. Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that part or not,
but I haven't watched.
Speaker 2: The Okay, that's good for you, man, that would.
Speaker 1: I know, I've not seen ap and what's his face?
Speaker 2: Yes, well, let me pull up. Okay. So what's interesting
is this reference.
Speaker 14: Shift that they were giving a p craft for is
actually mentioned in the adenda in naming a necessity. So
the thing I got in argument with the modern They
were making the point that proper names are always rigid designators,
and so I said, all right, whatever, So I kept
reading in do you mind if I read this excerpt?
I really think it highlights a really good argument about
this reference shift and.
Speaker 1: Why sure, Okay, I'm just vibing with this Japanese go.
Speaker 2: Ahead, my man, so page one sixty three.
Speaker 14: Gareth Evans has pointed out that similar cases of referenceships
arise where the shift is not from a real entity
to a fictional one, from one real entity to another
of the same kind. According to Evans, Matta Gascar was
a native name for a part of Africa, Marco Polo, erroneously,
thinking that he was following native usage, applied the name
to an island. Today, the usage of the name as
a name for an island has become so widespread that
it surely overrides any historical connection with the native name.
David Lewis has pointed out that the same thing could
have happened even if the natives had used Madagascar to
designate a mythical locality. So real reference can shift to
another real reference, fictional reference can shift.
Speaker 2: To real, and real to fictional.
Speaker 14: In all these cases, a present intention to refer to
a given entity overrise the original intention to preserve reference
in the historical chain of transmission.
Speaker 2: The matter deserves extended.
Speaker 14: Discussion, but the phenomenon is perhaps roughly explicable.
Speaker 1: Have no idea, what's going on?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh man, I'm sure it's a good argument.
How much were you got?
Speaker 14: Uh no, you know that was about it.
Speaker 2: It was really about that last point.
Speaker 14: Sub fifty's point is that in all these cases, a
present intention to refer to a given entity overrise the
original and tention to preserve reference.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, So so that.
Speaker 1: No, that's actually a good point. Yeah, by the way,
clear and present danger is also something we needed to
think about. Grit. What's up? Grit? Is that jap funk
too loud for y'all? Or are we good? I can't
tell what's up?
Speaker 8: Many Jay?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: So I watched most of that pow Wow with that
Trent character, and I.
Speaker 2: Had a couple of points I want to run by
real quick. And the first was a disagreement.
Speaker 1: Because you were looking for disagreements, Bran Dog.
Speaker 2: I would say that my disagreement is that we need Trent.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 14: Someone has to pave the path for worship of the Antichrist.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: How Muslims are still referencing the tried and got as
Clark Kent analogy that's complete, inaccurate, because.
Speaker 2: That's not the situation here. If I make up lies
about your life and use your.
Speaker 1: Name, that's not actually you exactly.
Speaker 14: Lies are not an attempt at worship of the triun God.
Speaker 2: It's diversion from the truth.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think where his analogy would apply is
that the God.
Speaker 2: Of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem for Jews Muslims and apparently Catholics. Yes, absolutely,
y'all killing it tonight. I ain't got to do no work.
Y'all calling in with the heat, bringing the heat. Anybody
disagree in the chat disagrees, don't read me a philosophy essay.
You can't read it. Well, actually that's an interesting vibe.
Let me read a philosophy essay over jap bunk. Turn
it up. They said, turn it up without about I
don't know if these are real seventies Japanese funk songs
or the sister AI think. I have no.
Speaker 34: Idea orthodoxy dollars sing the Greek version of.
Speaker 1: Psalmon thirty five. I don't know how to do that. JB.
Filt had two dollars. So it's all relative pretty much.
Maybe this could be like the super chat music for
we got a new vibe, super chat funk. Oh, we
got all these other there's a whole bunch of other
super chats we gotta do all right, hold on, Blaze
is calling it blaze. I wants up Blaze.
Speaker 25: I was about to get blazed all yo.
Speaker 35: Hey, I just want to relay a funny story right now.
Speaker 7: I just.
Speaker 2: Have to year right now.
Speaker 35: I was debating a Roman Catholic over you know what
the what the main story.
Speaker 28: Of the week is Ray and I coin at Exodus
thirty two.
Speaker 35: And I wove down yahweh And this guy is like
he freaked out, and he's like, I'm not debating you
anymore because you wrote down the Petrick Ramaton.
Speaker 1: So the Roman Catholic is just going to become some
sort of weird judaizing coletic is walk.
Speaker 35: Flip yeah like this but like just because I didn't
hope the name of the word.
Speaker 33: Like this dude is running away.
Speaker 2: Who does that remind you of Jaynes.
Speaker 1: The Pharisees? Sorry, demon Marcus.
Speaker 7: Jesu.
Speaker 1: Misology is ten dollars. The words monkey diddle for me
refer to a certain person. Can you read this in
the voice of Douglas Mary The words monkey diddle referred
to me personally is an actual monkey? And Trent that
I've been inside. If you're not actually being inside a monkey,
you can't actually say that you know a monkey. I
Cano class Vatican News. The Pope says every religion, every
human being should be free to choose the religion that
he wants. That's a headline. I can't put that link.
Cody s three dollars. If you can't tell there's thing
God for the capital G and a god in scripture
little G, your IQ might be hovering about freezing heresies,
operating the same way grammatical failures exactly. That's a Saint
Basil's point Codys five dollars. If your kid comes out
of skittles and you reject them for who that they
say they are, you do not misunderstand them. You do
not allow them to be skittles. Islam knows Christians worship
a try in God. They reject it. The Quran says,
don't how is the same God? That's not? What's up
doing to you?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: Yo? What's up? Marcus? The Marcus Aurelius? What's up? Well,
we'll get here, you man. I'm sorry, I don't know
what's going on. Brian, what's up?
Speaker 8: Brian?
Speaker 1: Brian? I'm you dude, okay, n I.
Speaker 2: See her throw you for once. I actually got into this.
Speaker 7: I had a question.
Speaker 16: I'm a Baptist that is looking at going to Orthodox
and my wife and I have been trying to serve better.
But she brought up the verse to me, and I
don't want to go to my preachers and ask personally,
I forgot I would ask you. I don't know you,
so I'm not really embarrassed to ask the verse the
Proverbs five nine, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If you want to pull it up.
Speaker 1: You have it, you just read it or.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 8: It's basically about the bus.
Speaker 2: Let her be as loving, tying.
Speaker 16: To pleasure grow, let her breast satisfy thee at all times,
and be lavish always in her love.
Speaker 8: And me and my wife have basically been getting at
trying to.
Speaker 16: Figure out is there a right way to have sex?
Not even gonna front which ones? If my wife wants
to be held down in Facebook?
Speaker 8: Is this okay in the eyes of God?
Speaker 17: And I can't really find.
Speaker 8: Anything that it needs, you know, a.
Speaker 29: Hell of it.
Speaker 2: I'm also dolt. I had to question of God.
Speaker 15: Didn't like the the Orthodox position on this topic because
I had a bunch of people at.
Speaker 2: My church after the debate.
Speaker 24: We were just talking about it, and they were saying
that we do worship the same God.
Speaker 13: As Muslims, and they said that.
Speaker 2: One of them said, the only way I can argue
that it's not the case is.
Speaker 24: Through like referential failure, So saying that they're not speaking
about the same thing, but the others were using arguments
like such as saying even Muslu.
Speaker 2: Says, Almighty Creator, have mercy on.
Speaker 6: Me, then they're referencing the true God.
Speaker 28: But I was trying to like, in my understanding.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be referencing the same thing. Would that be
like a word, concept, fallacy.
Speaker 1: Or something exactly. I mean, every response, video and livestream
that we've done since the debates addresses these subjections. So
not trying to be rude or me, but I agree
with you. I think you're correct, and you're friends at
churches as well, And I mean, I don't know how
many times we have to not be mean to you.
I'm just saying, like your friends should have listened to
what we've been saying for lesser days. We've addressed it.
That song a little get on a nerd. The song
needs to chill out, all right, It's.
Speaker 10: Enough of that.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of crazy songs on here, a
bunch of weird songs. Anyway, I'd rather be listening to
music right now. Enough of this nerd stuff. Dude, John
Davis five dollars, Pope Francis, No, we did that, big
stank dick, Dad ten dollars. Could you look at a
Bara's post on Facebook? I don't really want to. He
tackled your use of John A and one John two.
He said that they don't all say what you claim
they say, Bro, I don't. I don't have Facebook, man,
I can't. I'm not gonna scroll back to two days
ago of what Eric Obaras said. If you want to
be a Roman Catholic guy, if people want to be
a Roman callous to believe this, go believe. I don't
even know what that means. He's arguing, they don't at
all say what you claim they say. The verses don't
say that. Well what do they say? I mean? How
is Jesus not clear that the Pharisees don't have God,
they don't love God, they don't have the Father. I mean.
And Erica bar is just a fat, lying vagina. I'm
just sick of him. Man. He just plays like he's
this nice, pious guy. He's not. Man, He's a fat,
lying vagina. Ryan Craft five dollars, Bro, I'm sorry, I
don't think if it was a troll. No, I'm not
gonna do it. You just waste everybody's time. E a telephone,
yunko an Ashi is a great Japanese city pop song.
You seem to be a fan. I don't didn't know
about japfunk. I've never even heard of this, so it
just popped up and I just let it play. So
I don't know, but I don't know about it. It's
new to me. It doesn't bother me, I'll put it
that way. Cole barn Card of three dollars. I did
a super Chael last night because Trent said Abraham and
Moses didn't meet Jesus. I mean, this is what these
people are saying. I pointed out that even you and
Sam Schamun have made videos about the Theophanies. The response
was that Sam Shamun isn't our team now exactly, meaning
that Sam Schmun has basically destroyed himself. Misty ringed two dollars.
Ap lost to debate because he agreed that the old Tesman
saints weren't worshiping the Trinity. Well, I don't know that
if he lost. If he got I mean, he's wrong
about that, but I don't think that if he got
that wrong, it necessarily means he lost the debate. I
don't know.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched it.
Speaker 1: Tonight's dream is not about the ap debate. It's about
Trent Horn's video. Tommy Yoker rocks. God is good and
you are cool. Thank you ten dollars. Appreciate that. Noah, M,
who's your patron saying Daniel? Did it change when you
converted from Rome? Yes? It used to be Augustin when
I was Catholic and then I took Daniel. Is it five? Show?
What's people shooting guns? Is fireworks going off? Trying to
figure out what that noise was? It was like they're coming,
They're coming.
Speaker 36: Iran has invaded. The Iranians have invaded. Ruben Anderson their dollars.
Have you seen Martin Sheen movie Catholics? I'm not whoa
It takes place in a post Vatican three future in
the year two thousand is preferred.
Speaker 1: What are you serious? Have never heard of this? The
Martin Sheen movie The Catholics? What Vatican three? Are you serious? Bro?
I just keep coming back to the fact that Frank
Herbert is the real prophet here man. Oh wow, I.
Speaker 7: Don't propose to send you into a contest.
Speaker 1: Look, the priests are wearing like normal Protestant pastor clothes.
Speaker 7: Holy man, I will give you the bar that you need.
Our father.
Speaker 11: Hello is.
Speaker 10: Something like that?
Speaker 1: So there's like some kind of like schism within Rome.
Oh is it a movie or is it a series?
Caliy Church have been superseded by repressive order with new ideas.
When Irish monks rebel a Vatican officials is sent to
bring order. That's crazy, But you said it's about Vatican three.
Jason t two dollars. Vatican three will be a spirit
of anti Christ see bas eight ten twenty dollars. Listen up,
pay piggies. I like this video and that is all
Banantium Banantium Emperor three dollars. Scripture says I am the Lord,
your God, and I'm jealous. If any and every form
of worship and reference is thus to the true God,
then why would God say four times over he's a
jealous God, no matter their reference. Yeah, I caught him
at one dollar and one dollar Did you see the
boxing meme of Superman and Batman pick I made? I'm
not sure I saw Jimbob's meme Vatican who says the
plan of Salvation includes Muslims. Yeah, we covered that. Wolfington
Jaden five dollars romancalcs don't realize that Muslims worship the
Christian God, then logically they must say the Romancalics worship
also the God of Islam. I commented on this during
the Capturing Islam debate, and the Dimwitz said that it's
not logical, but they didn't explain why Skimma bear ten dollars,
go go Go Go, Go fest go Bot of the
rabbit Hole ten dollars. My favorite thing has been maybe
I should just see the superchets over here on this computer,
because let's driving. My neck is about the snap. I
can't even function over here. I can't see that looking
all the way over there is just that's just not
gonna work.
Speaker 26: Let's let's pull it up over here, wet.
Speaker 1: We were winding down as Brosey apologized, I'm getting pretty tired.
I don't know if I have I don't have much
more energy. I apologize to you all over here on
the Twitter. We're gonna call it to call an end there.
I'm getting tired. I got Japanese funk to listen to.
I can't be doing all this tip history. We left
off at rabbit Hole. Let's see, and there was a
guy that got mad last night that I missed his
super chat. People always think it's like, come some conspiracy
that I don't want to read your super chat. No,
I just probably just missed it, dude, And I don't
remember what that guy's name was, Spencer or something. I
apologize to you, Spencer. I wasn't trying to. Let's see
if we can find Spencer's super chat so he doesn't
get mad and think that I'm okay, you can't search
super chats. I thought you could, well, Spencer, I'm not
seeing it. I apologize. I know you did send a
super chat because you sent another one saying that I
missed you or something.
Speaker 26: So noah, am no, we did that.
Speaker 1: Volunteer two dollars if I sincerely but poorly Orthodox convert,
poorly catechized Orthodox convert believes in it heresy through you,
no ill will. Is he still worshiping God?
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The difference between being in the communion versus being outside
of the communion is a big part of this, because
what makes you remember the Communion is not first and
foremost intellect, because then infants wouldn't be part of the communion.
But we baptize infants and slow boys, so that's what
makes you remember the communion. But as you progress, yes
through our expectations that you should know the basics of
the faith, namely the Trinity and the incarnation. But heresy
is not mainly a sin of ignorance. This is what
people keep misunderstanding. They think heresy is just being wrong.
Heresy is a sin of will and obstinacy. And so no,
being wrong is not what makes your herotic within the
communion and body of the church. What makes your heretic
is clinging to the heresy obstinately, and then eventually you
get removed from.
Speaker 26: The church where you leave the church through your heresy.
Speaker 1: But the grace covers within the church those who are
not willfully obstinately being wrong. Hence why John says in
One John, you have an anointing, and you know all
things not omniscient. But it's saying that the Holy Spirit
given a christmation is what is who teaches you anonymous
ten dollars. I'm struggling to move beyond the idea that
empirical sense date is the highest form of knowledge. Well,
the proposition that we learn through sense data itself is
not in sense data, So that proposition itself is prior
to sense data, the transitional categories, the preconditions of knowledge
are not themselves subjects of sense data. Therefore they're prior
to or higher than sense data. Okay, that should be
all those super chats. Do you pout regularly because of
Trump impersonations theosis? Ten dollars, I don't know what that
means pout? No, I don't pount mud. Remember for four months,
we are all ALA's shin. We are the creator uncreated.
We are the second left foot triune of are not
creator created quadratic god. Okay, that's pretty wild, Anthony Spencer,
two dollars, no problem, forget about it. I was in
my feelings, Anthony Spencer, Well, I don't know if it
was a super chat. Did you do it on stream
labs or on YouTube? See I'm scrolling through stream labs
right now and I don't see anybody. I don't see
Anthony Spencer, Charlie Kirk smile. Ten dollars. Give me some
a j sweet hype music. I forget the name of
it or the paradigm of absolute control. And that's why
we're just out here doing simple things, pointing out that
we're meant to be in nature of me n astral
and this is where.
Speaker 33: We find the source that God made transcend the new
world order.
Speaker 1: And that's why they want to try to keep us
out of it.
Speaker 8: I'm bain.
Speaker 7: I've had enough of these people.
Speaker 29: The bones of Christian murder of sconge now on giant
death factors keeping babies alive.
Speaker 7: He said in that body, put what more do you
needing all about these people? I'll go out and face
this scone. They literally they crawl out from under rose.
They are green and up and skin and they're run
around screaming wheel of Satan with water. The babies.
Speaker 6: I have them on video.
Speaker 23: Hell is in to creep you.
Speaker 11: Weird six stuff man, she sleeps sit in the same
room when they creep you with a woman was mother
wizard foot over her head warming up?
Speaker 1: Is that good enough? Anonymous? Now we did that since
they're hypocrite. Ten pounds. If I create a schismatical with
the accenttheology of God, would I still be worse than
the same God with the same reference. Semantics and the
linguistics are always a red hearing tactic. I mean again,
schism also removes you from the Church, so none of
the reference in linguistic stuff. It doesn't even matter. Theosis
five dollars. Pout is the expression of pressing the list forward.
I mean, I guess if I'm doing a Trump impression,
I gotta do that. Jewish skeptic five dollars. The Old
Testaments should be restricted from being read by a lot
of population, like the apocalypse. Many Protestant heresies come from
reading the Old Testament without recognizing the Church, the incarnation,
all that. Yeah, you could argue that, I mean, there
should be some kind of like level of maturity. Jews
did this, do you know? Jews wouldn't allow you had
to be at an adult male with a family and
be like over age.
Speaker 26: Forty before they would let you read Ezekiel.
Speaker 1: That's what I've heard or read