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Speaker 1: That's the point that they don't understand. All right, let's

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get ahead here or here he's going to play me.

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Let's see what he says. The Samaritans are Unitarians is

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the same fundamental ontological position as Islam. Right, they're unitarian.

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Jesus says, you worship what you don't know. So the

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true sense here of what matters until she does worship it.

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Speaker 2: So the point is that she doesn't know.

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Speaker 1: They think this was some kind of own. It's not

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an own, because the point of the passage is that

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it doesn't matter that you know about Him or that

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you think that you're worshiping the one true God. That's

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the point. That's why they've shifted the debate into you

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worship between whether they worship God to do they think

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they're worshiping God. That's what they've done. The woman at

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the well thinks she's worshiping God, but she's not.

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Speaker 3: That's the point.

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Speaker 1: You worship what you do not know. We worship what

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we know. For salvation is of the Jews. So you

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can worship all day long an idol, a statue, a

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heretical idea and think that it's God, but it's not.

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That's the point of the passage. So every time we

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go to these passages, the Romancalities are literally giving it

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the opposite point and meaning of the passage. They're saying, ah,

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but she did worship, but she doesn't know God. So

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the point is not just do I have an abstract knowledge?

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Do I assent to propositions? Because she thinks in her mind,

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I'm worshiping the God of Jacob. Jesus has the God

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of Jacob. This is in the mind of the woman

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at the well, right, I worship the God of Jacob.

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The Jews claim to worship the God of Jacob, but

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we're the true worshipers of the God of Jacob. Jesus

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is saying, you think you worship the God of Jacob,

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but you don't because you can only worship God in

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the Temple at Jerusalem, not at the Samaritan altar that

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the king created in the Book of Kings. That's a

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false altar and a false God and a false worship.

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So you don't know what you worship. And the Roman

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Catholics are saying, yeah, but because she worships something, she

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does know it. That's how stupid this is. They adore

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in a natural act of adoration the same God. We

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don't even have this nonsense in the Orthodox Church, a

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natural act of adoration. I don't even know what that is.

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Move on, don't care what he's what Gavin Ortland says,

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don't care what he thinks about Gvin Ortland.

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Speaker 4: Twenty five years after the Crucifixion, when unconverted Jews weren't

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just ignorant of Christ but openly rejected him. And yet

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Paul still says the Jews have zeal for God and

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not something else, like a demon. This description would also

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apply to Muslims who show zeal for.

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Speaker 1: Paul says, they have a zeal for God, but not

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according to knowledge, just like the Woman of the Well

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believes she has a zeal for God, but not according

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to knowledge. So let's go back to the idea of knowing.

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word no. When we think about, for example, Adam knew

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his wife Eve and they conceived. That's the intimate union

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sense of truly knowing. That's different than knowing about God

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or knowing about someone or knowing about somebody's wife or whatever.

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the scriptures, because we've all heard Adam knew his wife Eve, right,

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on knowing in a general abstract sense or knowing about

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versus knowing in an intimate, unitive worship mystical union sense.

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are synergizing with God. We are participating in his uncreated grace,

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really and truly. Again, the easiest way to just dismiss

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all of this think of Jake, the Muslim metaphysician. We've

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done debates, we've argued with him, we've had you know,

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he was in the discord for a long time. He

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learned and studied a lot of Orthodox Trinitarian theology and

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Roman Catholic theology. So I would say, amongst the Muslims,

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as far as I'm aware, Jake knows more about the Trinity,

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or he knows the positions more or accurately, perhaps doctor Khalil,

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between those two, they know it the best. They know

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about the Trinity, they know about the deity of Christ,

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and they probably could state our views pretty well. Does

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that mean they know God and worship God and love

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God and adore God in the true sense, of course not.

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This is so silly that we even have to debate this.

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They don't because they are in a religion that explicitly

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rejects the Trinity and the deed of Christ. So they

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don't worship and know in the relevant, true, proper sense.

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every person that converts to Islam makes their statement of

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the profession of faith, which is implicit and sometimes explicitly

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a rejection of the Trinity and the deed of Christ.

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regarding your faith. Say nothing about Allah except the truth.

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The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is no more than

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a messenger of Allah and the fulfillment of His word

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through Mary and a spirit created by the command from Allah.

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Jesus is a creature. He's not the divine son of God.

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And this is a basic pillar of Islam. So believe

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in Allah and his messenger. Do not say Trinity stop

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for your own good. Allah is only one God, Glory

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to him. So do you understand that Islam is not

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like the Pagans in the sense of knowing or not knowing.

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Romeanchallics argue. They're actually explicitly creating a religion based on

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talhed or what they think is talhed, which is rejecting

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the Trinity and the deed of Christ. The religion is

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built on that, you idiots. It is not like an invincible,

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ignorant guy on an island pagan. Now from another perspective,

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from the Orthodox perspective, it doesn't really matter in terms

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of grace and salvation and worship whether you're a Pagan

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or a Muslim, because they both don't count. That's the

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point Romans one, one, John two, John five, John eight.

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Whether you're a Pagan, a Unitarian, a Polytheist, a Satanist,

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they all don't count. It doesn't matter because it only

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takes one error or heresy or schism to cut you off.

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That's what they don't understand. It's not a let me

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stack up and get eighty percent of the worship of God.

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I'm gonna worship ninety percent of God via accepting nine

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of the ten attributes, and then I'm good. The Roman

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Caloity Church itself taught, as we saw in Satis Cognitum

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and Mestichi Corporus, that any one heresy severs you from

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the mists to go body and the worship and grace

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of God. One heresy, one rejection. So if you're anti trinitarian,

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you're already out. It doesn't matter. The religion is premised

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on anti trinitarianism. And every romanccount that I've ever heard

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says Jehovah's witnesses don't count. Uh, then Muslims don't count.

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And you just contradicted yourself on your body in two documents.

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We've got a double barrel Trent slaying in the past

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couple of weeks. This is great both Trents baboom gom

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baby weak sauce. And if you want to support the stream,

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you get do somebody super chats. I'm gonna go to

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supertests just a second. Let's see where he goes next.

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Look at this quoting. Why is he quoting this random

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like cardinals from Reserve Lisora tor Romano, which is a newspaper.

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One cannot consider Mormon doctrine a heresy. The teaching Mormons

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has a completely different matrix really, are you sure about that,

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because as we saw, they're not actually as far off

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compared to the Muslims. Light you think this is how

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ignorant Trent is of Islamic teaching by thinking that, well, actually,

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Mormons are way further away than Muslims are. Wait a minute.

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A Mormon can affirm the proposition Jesus Christ is the

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Messiah and the divine Son of God the Father, and

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I worship the Spirit. Do you know a Muslim? A

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Mormon can say that phrase, isn't that closer in terms

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of the phrase itself closer to our position as trinitarians

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and believers in Jesus's divinity. Well, the proposition itself, on

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its surface, sure is closer. Ah, But wait a minute.

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All the meanings of the terms, according to what more think,

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cancel it out, according to these goobers. Oh so, wait

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a minute, Mormon errors cancel it out. But when Muslims

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make exactly identically wrong, radically different meanings for creator or

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omnipotent or cause first cause, it doesn't cancel out. This

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is a double standard hypocrisy because their whole position is

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a double standard hypocrisy. It's all ad hoc in contradictory.

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When a Mormon says creation, he means God, the Father,

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who's a man working with pre existing matter that's eternal.

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When a Muslim says creation, it means Allah creating good

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and evil, and that good and evil. I mean, I

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can't make sense of that, but that's what the Korn says.

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Allah creates evil, wills it to exist. I'm not kidding uh.

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And the Allah at every second destroys and recreates the world.

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That's occasionalism. On what basis is that idiocy somehow closer

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to the Mormon idiocy. They're both bad. By the way,

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Roman Catholics love Aristotle. Aristotle holds to the Mormon view

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that matter is eternal. It's all arbitrary. And look at

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that goblin there, and this old goblin he's citing here,

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and just look at that dude. That dude's face alone

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is enough to show me that this isn't true.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: Is that Vatican two causes the ambiguity by saying that

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Muslims worship, adore, the One True God and know him.

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That ambiguity leaves it open as if that worship is

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accepted and that it is a genuine pipeline to God.

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Speaker 4: But if it's ambiguitiguous, that means it doesn't have to

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have this problematic meaning.

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Speaker 1: No, I said that it's ambiguous and it's wrong. It

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can be both. Some statements can be ambiguous, And what

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I was talking about that was ambiguous was the statement

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Plan of Salvation. Now again, I want to go thank

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Michael Lofton for coming in clutch. Mc lofton helped us

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out with this because I wasn't even aware of this

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nineteen ninety seven Vatican document. What I'm talking about is ambiguous.

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Is plan of Salvation includes those that acknowledge the Creator.

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That phrase alone is ambiguous because it could mean that

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Muslims are saved in Islam. It could mean that Muslims

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too can be saved through Christ coming out of Islam.

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The passage itself right there is ambiguous, So I don't

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know what they meant by that. The sense that I

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think it has is that Islam is Salvafic and we

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are confirmed in that reading which also refused Trent. Thank

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you to mc lofton who came to the rescue. This

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is so helpful and I'm so thankful to my boy

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loft Dog. I'll forgive all of those carbohydrate sins because

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He gave us such a blessed gift. In this nineteen

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ninety seven Vatican document clarifying what's meant in Vatican two,

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what is meant there? The spirit of Christ is present

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in the religions, and you cannot rule out that he's

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saving people in Islam through Islam. The religions are selvific

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as such. So there we go. That's what Vatican two

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means right there. And when John Paul the Second speaks

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to the Muslims in Casablanca and Morocco in nineteen eighty five,

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that's what it means. So when I said it's ambiguous,

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I'm talking about certain passages being ambiguous. And I was

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also talking about what sense we mean by worship and adore,

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because our opponents in that debate were shifting it to

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be about sense and referent linguistically, That's not what the

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debate was. From timcast that made this a huge issue.

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The debate was about worship, love and adore, not linguistic referent.

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I don't care if you want a debate linguistic reference,

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that's fine. And that's what FDA took upon himself to

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argue in the debate, I argue the magisterial contradiction position

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which they agreed to and then wouldn't address. So now

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we are going to go to open calls. That's about

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enough of the Trent video. I think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: What up maximum.

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Speaker 2: On you?

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Speaker 6: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Hello, yup, Hello, hey hey hey Jay. So what I

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kind of wanted to talk a little.

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Speaker 6: Bit about today is about how this because what Print

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and these people tend to be arguing is this sort

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of like nineteenth century you know, Trident team natural philosophy,

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God natural God.

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Speaker 7: Of natural religion, you know, pure nature, but you.

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Speaker 6: Know the Vatican two and and the Vatican too. Religion

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and the reformations that were made to their fundamental dogmatic system.

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I didn't even really believe in pure nature in a sense,

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and because if you look at no illuminagentium in these documents.

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about more is the stuff about the Hindus and the

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Buddhists and.

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Speaker 2: The assert that.

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Speaker 1: The assertion what you cut out By the way I

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included the Hindu statement, I'm pretty sure I included. I

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know I included it in my lecture a couple of

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nights ago. I think I included it in the debate too,

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but I don't remember. Let's see where you at, dog

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you cut out, we can't hear you. In Hinduism, men

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contemplate the divine mystery and expressed it through their myths.

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They seek freedom from the anguish of our condition and

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through ascetic practices and profound meditation, or a flight to

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God with love and trust. So Hindus in Hinduism have

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a flight to God capital g and love and trust. Now,

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remember how many Roman Catholics argued against me in the

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last two or three weeks that that's not talking about

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the true God Ah, but the excellent work of mcclofton

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loft doll coming through showing us in the nineteen ninety

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seven Vatican Document in paragraph eighty four that it absolutely

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does talk about the One True God within the Hindu context.

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Speaker 8: Oops.

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Speaker 9: Uh oh oh oh a let oh.

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Speaker 1: But thank you for reminding me that it's the same

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either way. Remember, Paul says Hinduism darkness and demonic Vatican two.

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It's a flight to God capital G. That's all you

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need to know. Right. If that doesn't show you, is

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this not clear enough?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What else do you need? And did you notice again

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Trent totally looks over the actual worship that the popes

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do via their actions in synagogues and mosques. Where was

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Trent on that? By the way, So Trent is ignoring

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all of the things that would be tremendous, devastating failures

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in his position. Here's Pope Francis. Do not say this

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is speaking to the Muslims, or actually it might be

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speaking to Pagans. Do not say my religion is more

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true than yours. All paths are paths to God. I

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will use an analogy. They are like different languages expressing

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the divine. Here's Francis agreeing with us and Trent Doherty

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that it's a relativistic Whatever you worship still counts and

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gets you to God. My God is more important than yours.

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Is this true? There's only one God and all religions

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are languages and paths to reach God. Some are Sikhs,

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some are Muslims, some are Hindu, some are Christian. This

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is Francis telling you what Vatican two means. Hello, there

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you go. It's over case closed. We played this video

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when Francis said it last year between all of my outlets.

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It got over one hundred thousand views. Francis is talking

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about this.

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Speaker 10: Cold.

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Speaker 1: How does you Roman Catholics not see this at this time?

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That's what it says. Jehuassa says exactly correctly. The document

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says Hindus attain spiritual liberation? How do you attain spiritual

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liberation in the demonic religion of Hinduism? It says something

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about Buddhists too. Let me see how it words the

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Buddhist statement Buddhism perfect state of liberation and illumination in Buddhism.

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Pretty sure, Buddhism, which disagrees with there being a personal

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God unless you're a Tibetan Buddhist, which worships demons explicitly.

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Buddhism is not theistic. There's no personal God in non

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Tibetan Buddhism as far as I'm aware. I'm not a

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Buddhist expert, but I don't think they believe in a

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personal God. We can ask Uma Thurman's dad, who's like

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the American authority on all Buddhism. Literally, Oh, I forgot,

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Let's go back to the Maximus. You want to finish

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your we lost you dropped off.

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Speaker 2: Than can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so sorry.

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Speaker 6: What I was trying to get at is that in

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the nineteen century, like Catholics believed that revelation was this

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like propositional knowledge that comes from these two sources of

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scripture and tradition. After Vatican Two, they believe that revelation

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is the self disclosure of God. That's transcendental, that's going

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on in all human beings.

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Speaker 1: Interesting and and.

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Speaker 6: If you look at all their big you know, enrage lubach.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of some of the other ones,

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Bernard Lonergan, Carl Ronner, like his idea of a spiritual

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existential that's where all this comes from.

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Speaker 2: And the popes.

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Speaker 6: The nineteenth century popes attacked this theory as the theory

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of vital imminence.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is the this is in the this is

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in the the pre Vatican to Papal Documents book.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, and that, and they attack a humanism.

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says this is based off the idea of vital iminence

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and that all these religious practices that these people are

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doing are the fruit of man's inner religious drive, right

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or something like that, and there and therefore it's valid.

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little bit is another place where this was condemned was

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Kumania Gennaris, where Enre de Lubac, who eventually was made

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a cardinal, his ideas were condemned.

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Speaker 2: And a big part of his.

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Speaker 6: Ideas was that, you know where traditionally they taught that,

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you know, man is in a natural state, and then

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where he doesn't have a drive to the beativic.

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Speaker 1: Vision and oh, let's I'll sow down to a second.

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This is important because vital eminence, it's not mortalium. Animals

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it's in the other encyclical condemning modernism from Pious the

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tenth called Chendi Dominici grazias, and it's paragraph seven that

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talks about vital eminence. This is really good man, Thank

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you so much for calling in, because I probably have

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haven't read Patindi in probably fifteen years. And this is

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really important to know that even revelation, when the term

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Vatican too theologians, is not what we think of as

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revelation in the sense of, like you said, propositions from

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scripture and tradition. It's this imminent existential experience that's happening

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in every religion in like a William James sense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And part of this is so traditionally Homism

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would say, like when you're in a state of grace,

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you know, faith moves you to assent to the Church's propositions, right,

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that it's presented to you, and that you know most

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humans are in a state of grace, right, And that

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in a state of nature, humans are not oriented towards

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the beatific vision.

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Speaker 2: It's not part of man's nature. But the whole point.

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Speaker 6: Of Nra Dee Lubach's theological project was to say that

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all humans, by the nature of their soul, is oriented

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towards the b TWOK vision. So all humans, all human cultures,

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is driven toward God. And this was condemned in humanity

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generis and he was censored and you know, banned from teaching,

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and then he became a theological advisory Vatican two, a

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cardinal you know, when I was in Roman Catholic college,

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so they said he was the most important theologian, you know,

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and so this kind of just speaks to that contradiction,

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but also that you know, Trent wants to say, oh, well,

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you know, a monotheistic God. Yeah, it's like eighty percent

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of the way there. It's kind of you know, it's

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it's more accurate and less accurate. But they're not just

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saying that, oh, the Muslims are somewhat accurate because they

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have a you know, believe in a creator. They're saying

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that Muslims spiritual practices.

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Speaker 1: Are are the fruits of.

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Speaker 6: Grace, the fruits of the Holy Spirit, Yes, which is

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which is act you in all humans. And so I

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just kind of wanted.

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Speaker 1: To no, that's actually a key puzzle piece exactly so

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when the nineteen ninety seven Vatican Document says it's the

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Spirit of Christ working through Islam and the religious practices

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and rights of Islam, that's the why Benedict thinks and

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Francis thinks, well, I can go into the moss and

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pray towards Mecca because it's the Holy Spirit present there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And Pope Benedict's doctoral thesis, which was I believe initially

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rejected for heresy, was specifically saying that.

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Speaker 2: It was a thesis on Bonaventure, and.

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Speaker 6: It was saying that the propositional theory of revelation is incorrect.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 6: And it's this sort of self disclosing kind of thing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And that's also how you get to the idea of

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like doctrinal development, the idea that dogmas are historically relative.

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Speaker 1: On the second right, they're just sort.

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Speaker 6: Of encapsulations of these things.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what lamentabilia is condemning. A potent he's condemning

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is this idea that revelation is not fixed, but it's

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a ongoing process.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And but there's statements from like the Vatican Theological Commission

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that says like, yeah, you know, we shouldn't restrict the

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dogmas to you know, the philosophical constructions of their time,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: The way they were. So so that's where.

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Speaker 6: The whole you know, the whole system, the whole system.

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Speaker 2: Of this comes together.

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Speaker 6: Is a different notion of revelation, different notion of dogma.

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And that's kind of like for me, the key to

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understanding the development of doctrine, the acumenism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great point, all kinds.

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Speaker 6: Of all kinds of different factors, factors.

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Speaker 1: And absolutely really good points. So that's why I keep

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telling people you got to read the the sixteen Papal

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Documents book from ten publishers, because it really refutes all

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this nonsense. And thank you so much for reminding me

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of a potendi and the vital imminence idea of Delubac.

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I know that potendis prior to de Lubac is the

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same principle banantium Emperor.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Two things?

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Speaker 12: I had a question, but the first thing is a

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comment that I think I found another like major defeater

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argument for the stupidest thing.

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Speaker 2: I have a question.

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Speaker 12: If God is worshiped, no matter the reference, why does

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God explicitly state four times in the Old Testament that

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he's jealous.

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Speaker 1: And not to go after other gods, and that you

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have to know and name him. God self discloses his

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name so that you know which deity you're picking your

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referend out.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 12: And I was just thinking about this and what you

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were just discussing. Do you think this is because of

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the obsession with focusing on God from the essence?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because when I one of the things I read

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that really shook me of a lot of this was

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when I read Loski talking about how there's no such

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thing as worshiping or knowing a divine attribute that comes

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to you that's not in the mode of trinity. And

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once I understood that, I was like, oh, that's why

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you can't deduce attributes apart from trinity like natural theology,

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and this monad idea does right. So in other words,

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any attribute that comes down to you, as Basil says,

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whether it's God's love, God's mercy, or whatever, they come

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in the mode of trinity. So that means every attribute

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is necessarily a trinitarian attribute or a triadic attribute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 12: It's it's just like throughout all these conversations I watched

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the entire AP debate last night, which is ridiculous. The

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whole like all users day thing, the litany of things

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that guy Trent said yesterday was wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he got I mean, this is amazing because that

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shrink guy just like further went down the rabbit hole

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of exposing like how heterodoxy actually is.

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Speaker 12: Well, and I found it really disconcerting that basically we're

473
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getting called Protestants because we're quoting scripture or.

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Speaker 1: Let them, let them, let them make that statement and

475
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then sever themselves from divine revelation because that's all they're doing.

476
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And by the way, that would mean that all of

477
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their church fathers that and all of their doctors of

478
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the church that quote the scriptures are also Protestant.

479
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Speaker 12: It's so stupid, Oh it is. And there's another thing

480
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I just I wanted to point out. It's like they

481
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keep quoting that goork said on document, which I'm not

482
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even quite sure fully says the same thing that veticantinues.

483
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Speaker 1: It is vague, but I don't think it goes as

484
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far as I cantine I read it last night.

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Speaker 2: It really doesn't.

486
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Speaker 12: But I'm like, can we just claim that the Catholic

487
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Church their entire position is based off of German bishops.

488
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What do you mean, Well, it's a stupid it's a

489
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stupid like double standard. Like obviously they make the claim

490
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that things are a magisterial at certain times and whatnot.

491
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But then for us, because they don't understand our ecclesiology,

492
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:14,759
they just make a stupid statement like, oh, go arc

493
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:19,680
sento equals Eastern Orthodox magisterial teaching, right, And I'm like, okay,

494
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,559
so anything the South American bishops or the Germans.

495
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly can we apply Can we apply

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that center to you? Of course not?

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so stupid. I'm like, how many times?

498
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Speaker 12: How many times are we going to hear some ridiculous

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thing come out of Germany every day for the last

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decade and a half and then we don't bring Yeah?

501
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you so much. I don't mean to cut

502
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:50,839
you off with your finished Excuse me, Ash, what's up? Ash?

503
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What's up? By the way, I don't even think it's

504
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a synod. It's just a document that go Arts put

505
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,079
out that's saved. The document. I forget what it's called.

506
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:11,480
It's called the Social Ethos document from the Greek Orthodox

507
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:18,440
archdiocese and it has the patriarchs. It has Bartholomew's endorsement,

508
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,079
so it says it is approved by the Synod. So

509
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,640
it's a go Arc synodyl document. Well, if I thought

510
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,240
that go Ark had a infallibility, I guess that would

511
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be a really good argument. But what's up, ash? I mean,

512
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,799
we've been critiquing Alpedo Foros and Bartholomew for over a decade.

513
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,680
Even before I was Orthodox, I was like, I don't

514
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,079
know this is Bartholomew. Guys, sus dude, do you do

515
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:54,119
you want to see my old podcast about this? What's up? Man?

516
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:08,679
You there? Here's a critique of ecumenism in every group

517
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,000
seven months ago with Kotel. That's a clip Kotel put up.

518
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:18,559
Here is me critiquing ecumenism seven years ago, almost seven

519
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:24,320
six and a half seven has almost one hundred thousand views. Oh,

520
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,000
I just started. When is Jay gonna call out the

521
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:37,800
ep in Nuq? Right here? Here's another one calling out?

522
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Let me let me remember what I titled it. Here's

523
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,639
one seven years ago. Patriarch of Constantinople, Ukrainian Schism, Ecumenism

524
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,800
and Masonry. Seven years ago, when'd you go talk about

525
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,280
communism and talk to CIA's man in Constant at the

526
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:09,320
Nople one year ago. History of Ecumenism four months ago.

527
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,559
Jay Dyer on acumenism with Cotel three years ago.

528
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Speaker 10: That's the original one.

529
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Speaker 1: Humunism and natural theology four months ago. Let's see, there's

530
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:44,599
another one that's not coming up, and it's called for

531
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follow you. Here's one critiquing of bar following you in

532
00:35:51,639 --> 00:36:00,559
the Greeks at dire Eclipse. There's a there's one more. Oh,

533
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:13,760
it's called something like spooks here it is spooky subversion

534
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:28,719
of American Orthodoxy seven years ago. Look, this has almost

535
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:34,239
thirty thousand views. When's it gonna talk about Kuban? Don't dunk,

536
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:40,360
dun dud. Look at this? Did you know? Did y'all

537
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,639
see how I found? Somebody found a video that's somehow

538
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:49,599
collected together all the Roman Catholics this week? Check this out?

539
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:54,000
Did you guys see this video? You gotta see this.

540
00:36:55,519 --> 00:37:00,679
We found the Roman Catholics this week one video. This

541
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,840
is kind of wild. You wouldn't think this would be possible.

542
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:06,599
It's kind of you could argue, it's almost miraculous really

543
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,280
that this video came together.

544
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,559
Speaker 10: Where is it at.

545
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: Here?

546
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 10: It is right here? Watch this.

547
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: This is all the Roan Candles this week were sighting

548
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,559
the Kuran glove. What's up?

549
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:04,519
Speaker 2: M Yeah, what's up Jay?

550
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,079
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

551
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: Hey? Yeah?

552
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Speaker 13: I was just uh I hones if you saw that

553
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,440
post earlier where Sam Schamun was talking to agent talking

554
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about the energy's essence distinction, and he's just like sitting there,

555
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,360
just like agreeing with everything he's saying.

556
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Speaker 1: There's the same guy who replied to me blaspheming the energies.

557
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Speaker 14: Yeah.

558
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Speaker 13: I was like, wait, he basically switches up like every

559
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five seconds.

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Speaker 15: It's kind of insane.

561
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to think that he, like Sam Schimun, might

562
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literally be mpdd I D Like he might actually have

563
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multiple persons. I'm being serious, Like you might actually have

564
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the multiple person Yeah.

565
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Speaker 13: I agree, But I mean one thing I didn't want

566
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I just wanted to add is that in natural theology,

567
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God is not the only thing that you're able to

568
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reason to, like for example, you can reason to these

569
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sort of like natural goods. But for example, like imagine

570
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like someone who thinks they're doing the good thing. Like

571
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imagine if if a paper is said to like you know,

572
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like a grapist, you do good with us, Like he

573
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says that too a greepist because they can naturally reason

574
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too good and try.

575
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Speaker 8: To do it.

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Speaker 13: Wouldn't that be kind of insane?

577
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Speaker 2: Like you see what I'm saying.

578
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the worst Jim Bob's little cartoon,

579
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,480
and he did. Did you see Jim Bob's cartoon?

580
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 13: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the Superman one.

581
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: No, the gay the gay again?

582
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Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that one. Yeah yeah, yeah,

583
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:32,960
that's that's all I came to say. But you know,

584
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a good job. This is actually hilarious content. And I

585
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think you're absolutely right that Roman Catholics are molding left

586
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and right, and it's pretty much over. I mean, I

587
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can't even imagine trying to stay with this kind of system.

588
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the one about well, I wasn't

589
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cheating on my wife, I was improperly having sex with

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her with another woman.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that was pretty But if you really think

592
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about it, I mean, what would he even say to

593
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say that's not actually the case. I mean, because I've

594
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seen that dupe pope perspector, like he'll, like I thought,

595
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Muslim trying to say we don't worship the same God,

596
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and he's literally injecting into the Muslim's mouth.

597
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes you do, Yes, you do, Yes, you do.

598
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Speaker 13: But it's like, how are you gonna say?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? They're literally saying that people like Jake that left

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Catholicism to be Muslims are still worshiping the Trinity. It's

601
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the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Edward, what's up? I'm

602
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you Edward?

603
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Speaker 16: Oh hey, what's up?

604
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Speaker 2: Jake? Thanks for having me on?

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Speaker 8: Huh Hey.

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Speaker 17: So I also suffered through almost the whole Trent Diddy

607
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AP debate last night, and despite his bad arguments, I

608
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thought it was interesting that, like he opens up saying that,

609
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like he doesn't even really care about this whole point

610
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,480
he's which is weird, like why he would spend hours

611
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,079
debating it and getting so angry when he says it

612
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:16,599
doesn't matter and he kind of says he doesn't care, but.

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Speaker 2: Then he closed it out. Oh yeah.

614
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Speaker 17: But also in the middle of it, AP is you know,

615
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his style is a lot different than you. He was

616
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kind of very soft spoken and passive, but just kind

617
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,639
of persistently disagreeing with him and Trent. Trent was still

618
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getting real angry about it, really, like yeah, like you

619
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could tell he was just getting getting pissed off and

620
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just because he was asserting his position over and over.

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Speaker 2: And AP wouldn't agree with him. Weird.

622
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Speaker 17: But then by the end he says that this stuff

623
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really matters, and he's basically trying to say it's the

624
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,679
same thing as is like someone's genuinely trying to be

625
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a Christian but they don't have a perfect understanding of

626
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the Trinity.

627
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Speaker 2: And he's kind of.

628
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Speaker 17: Suggesting that that's the same thing as being a Muslim.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did hear the clip. Let's see if this

630
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is a hold on right here. Let let's hear this

631
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brief clip here.

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Speaker 18: The eternal rejection and exclusion and punishment of those who

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reject Gone and to reject who don't have to be

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the gospel of far Lord Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but but that that begs the question.

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Speaker 19: There's lots of I'm saying that Muslims do know God,

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so they don't fall.

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Speaker 1: Under this verse.

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Speaker 8: And many Muslims do obey the gospel.

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Speaker 18: No single most of my based the Gospel of of Christ.

641
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No single God actually knows trinity. It doesn't matter because

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00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,079
you believed our testimony.

643
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Speaker 1: To you, Muslims follow the Gospel of Christ. According to Trent,

644
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I mean this dude is like literally like I think

645
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,920
he's actually like not there or some sort of weird

646
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,360
I don't know what, but.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it was insane man Like, it's very odd and

648
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:59,960
it's very odd how how the Catholic seemed.

649
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,639
Speaker 8: Thing is true now to support.

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Speaker 1: This good because the more they double down, the worst

651
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this makes it for them. Here's this other.

652
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Speaker 8: Quote of.

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Speaker 1: Jews.

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Speaker 19: I think that Christians and Jews worship the same guy,

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and I don't think anything so teological follows from that.

656
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Either you could be like a replacement theorist, like you know,

657
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,599
reformed replacement theorist and said Jews are.

658
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Speaker 8: All going to Hell by default.

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Speaker 19: You could be kind of an eternal covenant guy like

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me that says all Jews are going to Heaven by

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default or.

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Speaker 1: What, and then somebody said that later on he actually

663
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contradicts that statement. I don't know, but like, I'm sorry

664
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,280
to think that these people are either like insane because

665
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,639
they'll contradict the arguments within a few minutes or within

666
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:55,840
an hour, or they're like intentionally subversive. I mean, it's

667
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,599
getting bizarre, Like I'm not I don't understand what it's like.

668
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,039
These peopleeple are glitching out, like in this not making

669
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:08,039
sense even from the vantage point of like, just think

670
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what Roman Catholics were arguing after the Temcast debate. They

671
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,920
were all arguing that we don't worship the same God

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as the Muslims, that the Vatican two doesn't say that.

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Now it's completely shifted to, of course, we worship the

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same God as and Muslims. And you're crazy if you

675
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,199
don't think that. It's getting insane. And I think anybody

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with any like hopefully people with some sense, are waking

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up from this insanity. This is blown up way bigger

678
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,039
than I would have ever thought this would blow up.

679
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I mean, I figured, okay, we'll do this Timcast debate.

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It'll get like a heated kind of blood sporty thing

681
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,480
and then you know, people will forget right, it'll be

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a drop in the bucket. Well that led to this

683
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,599
next thing, and this blew up into this even bigger thing.

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And now all the quote influencers of the Catholic pop

685
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goober world are talking about it, and the more they

686
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,360
talk about it, the worse it is for them. So

687
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,000
keep talking, you guys are just making this even worse.

688
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,639
Please keep interviewing Trent Doherty because it's just making it

689
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:19,119
even worse. This is wild. I mean they it's they're

690
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almost acting like the Democratic Party in managing a scandal

691
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or a crisis. Like every time Democrats are these kind

692
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of leftist crazy people try to manage or handle scandals,

693
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,679
they make it twenty times worse with the way they

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handle it. So Romc Galcks please keep it up. You

695
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,719
guys are just losing it. I love it. Rice Wine,

696
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:49,360
what's up? I'm you?

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Speaker 20: Oh, sorry for the.

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Speaker 21: I gotta question sort of relating to something brought up earlier,

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kind of like your take on.

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Speaker 2: It in in the video you.

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Speaker 9: Were watching earlier in the stream from Trent Horn.

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Speaker 21: When he was talking about like if you have the

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agnostic friend that you know they're open to the idea

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of the Trinity.

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Speaker 15: On that sort of.

706
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Speaker 21: Note, when you're dealing with someone who's into Christianity.

707
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Speaker 1: But they're the sort of that's not analogous to a

708
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,719
Muslim by the way, because Muslims are not open to

709
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:39,559
the Trinity. Yeah, I was using that as a springboard

710
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to what I'm asking.

711
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Speaker 21: You're dealing with one of the like sort of like

712
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new age spiritual Christians that they're saying, you know, denominations

713
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:58,199
don't really matter. How would you just like very very

714
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basics of why that's wrong. I mean, obviously there's a

715
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par thora, but I'm kind of that.

716
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Speaker 1: Well, because God has always been worshiped with a communal worship,

717
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So there's no such thing as being a lone gunner

718
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or doing the religion DIY. There is a community within

719
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history that is the people that have the worship of God.

720
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That's the point here, and so we A big mistake

721
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:29,360
that's being made on all parties here other than the orthodox,

722
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is that people are thinking of worship as a mental

723
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propositional thing. I assent to these propositions, therefore have the

724
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right God. That's not what worship is. That might be

725
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one element or one small part of worship having the

726
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right propositions or confessing the creed. Imagine thinking that worship

727
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is just saying the creed. That's not worship. Worship, that's

728
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a small part of worship. I should say worship because

729
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,840
the Creed is part of liturgy obviously, but it's not

730
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the climax of the liturgy. It's early on right. The

731
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climax of the liturgy is the eucharistic offering and the communion,

732
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and that happens in a community. Communion happens in a

733
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community with a priesthood and an alter and a temple

734
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on a sacrifice. Outside that, it's not properly speaking worship.

735
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And once we understand that, a lot of this argument

736
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:44,960
sophistry deflection falls away. Stephen, where's my Quran? I think

737
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:52,280
it's really powerful to just have I mean, these people

738
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want to have like powerful experiences with the Koran. Let's

739
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,760
just pull it up. What was it? Five forty seven?

740
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I think what's up? Man?

741
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Speaker 9: I mean.

742
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Speaker 1: Four something?

743
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Speaker 2: Hey, can you real it?

744
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Speaker 9: Uh huh?

745
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:11,159
Speaker 2: Nice? Yeah, so Andy said orthodots to. People have a

746
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lot different opinions between each other. I just want to

747
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know what you think about that.

748
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Speaker 21: For example, I got somebody here Buttropolitan Clystol's ware. He says,

749
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God is not the private property of Christians, the same

750
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God as worshiped.

751
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's where not lare, And it doesn't matter what.

752
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,000
One guy who became a pro gay liberal said, Yes, I.

753
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Speaker 2: Didn't want to join that because he's interrupted servant.

754
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Speaker 1: What are you laughing at? You said his name wrong? Well,

755
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he ran away, Callista's ware, So he just left, he

756
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ran away. Misquoting the guy's name, doesn't even know who

757
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,280
he is, Callista's ware. And then like I'm supposed to

758
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care that some guy became a pro gay guy at

759
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the end of his life, Like what he says, Matthew, what's.

760
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Speaker 2: Up, hey?

761
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 22: How's it going?

762
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Speaker 1: What's up? Hey?

763
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Speaker 22: So, yeah, it's been a pretty entertaining week. You know,

764
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I got that that initial debate, and then this whole thing,

765
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just the idea that even that first Bible verse.

766
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Speaker 2: Where you know, Christ says, so you know, if you

767
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don't know me, you.

768
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Speaker 13: Don't know the Father.

769
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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. So a couple of thoughts that I had.

770
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Speaker 22: I mean, what would even be the point of Christ

771
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doing everything that he did if everyone is just automatically

772
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referring to.

773
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Speaker 1: What's what's the point of liturgy and worship when you

774
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can just do it anywhere in any group?

775
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Speaker 22: Yeah, like I could just sit here and you know whatever,

776
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it doesn't matter.

777
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Speaker 1: Right Yeah?

778
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

779
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Speaker 22: And then even you know, yesterday they like Trent and

780
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Apostate Profit they were having this talk or whatever, right,

781
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and I even noticed like Apostate Profit, I mean, he's

782
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an ex Muslim, right, but he was saying like affirming

783
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:11,960
that point that it's not the same guy, and like

784
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that that collar that called in It was a few

785
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few guys ago who said that Trent was getting kind

786
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of upset and.

787
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Speaker 23: It worked up over it.

788
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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's really weird how important it is for him?

789
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well that could suggest, you know, other motives.

790
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I don't know what those might be, but yeah, I

791
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want that guy that was quoting Callisto's ware to come back. Andres,

792
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I'm you okay, So it's one seventy one. I'm here, man,

793
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:08,880
what's up? M Andres, I'm mute, all right, don't Clara,

794
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,360
what's up?

795
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

796
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Speaker 1: Platties, Yeah, Clara, I'm mute. Hello, good Diepning, what's on

797
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:35,440
your mind? It's a bunch of weirdos tonight, Matt, what's up? Man?

798
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:48,039
I love good deepening. Watch up for Calista's wire? Hello,

799
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:52,960
what's up? Yeah?

800
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Speaker 24: I think that guy was confused with the t Move

801
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,239
version of callistos warez, so nothing is wrong.

802
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Speaker 25: But anyway, I'm a I'm a much bigger fan of

803
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,039
Callistos over Bro. He's barely the best geologian, but he

804
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:18,079
check it out, Bro, he's so calls the best.

805
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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

806
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Speaker 24: I did watch the Trent and ap debate, and I

807
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:30,199
was just really frustrated with this whole Superman syllogism thing.

808
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,039
And look, I know this is going to be probably

809
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,880
repeated amongst lots of Catholics that are kind of interactions

810
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:44,400
with Is there is there any kind of simple refutation

811
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that just breaks the syllogism straight away, because to me,

812
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it seems like a confusion.

813
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: Of Well, in the analogy, the two are already the same,

814
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and that's the thing in question. So the easiest way

815
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,800
to refute is to just reject the analogy out of him,

816
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because if the thing in question is are they the same?

817
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,920
And you pick an analogy where they are the same,

818
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,679
it doesn't make any sense and it's kind of stupid.

819
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,199
But beyond that, I said, well, Clark Kent and Superman

820
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,440
are actually cal el and so that's a deception. Clark

821
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:19,920
Clark Kent is a deception. So this would mean that

822
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:24,239
the true God, YEAHWEH is deceiving people through the various

823
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,400
other religions, which actually fits with the Vaticanto perennials view white.

824
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:36,880
This is just the color white, the official color white.

825
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:48,119
So I'm you, I don't understand why people come in

826
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,559
here and want to speak and then they just never

827
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:55,280
on you. What's the point, Pete? What's up?

828
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Speaker 26: Man?

829
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,199
Speaker 1: Pete?

830
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Speaker 9: Nice H?

831
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Speaker 1: Hello, Okay, I.

832
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Speaker 15: Hate you responded, well, one of my comments I asked

833
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about choose prior to Jesus, and you said, well, they

834
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,639
they did believe in the Trinity?

835
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Speaker 8: Correct it generally?

836
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:20,039
Speaker 23: So?

837
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Speaker 2: And when did that stop? I guess maybe you just clarify.

838
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Speaker 1: Like when did it stop?

839
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 22: Yeah?

840
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 23: When did you generally stop believing in the Trinity?

841
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Speaker 1: Well, according to Jewish scholarship, first second, third century Judaism

842
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:38,840
was not monolithic, so there were all always rabbinic schools

843
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,960
and traditions of people who consider the possibility that Yahweh

844
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:49,360
had multiple persone or hypostasis. So that's discussed in Benjamin Sohmer,

845
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:55,679
Peter Schaeffer, Daniel boyar In. I list all the books

846
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,920
in this in my opening statement that I have on

847
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,000
my Twitter here in the with Daniel Hoikikachu so also

848
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,960
Alan Siegel's book Two Powers in Heaven. Uh. Now, as

849
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:11,199
the Talmud gets codified by the fourth and fifth century,

850
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Rabbinic Judaism begins to move more towards the Unitarian position,

851
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,760
because I think it's Rabbi I went from memory, Rabbi

852
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:25,199
Akiva or somebody gets their their argument for multiple powers

853
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,400
gets rejected, and that's early on. But y are In

854
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,280
discusses that in the second century or third century, I think.

855
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,119
But the idea that of a of a unified Unitarian position,

856
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,960
Benjamin Sohmer, the Jewish scholar, argues, isn't actually until Mimon eighties.

857
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 23: Okay, but you i'm the announcement that.

858
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 2: You think that the view among them was normal up.

859
00:56:55,679 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: To Yes, Jesus makes this argument when he says Abraham

860
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,199
and Moses talked with me, right, But.

861
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Speaker 23: Just because Jesus says it doesn't need the majority that

862
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,480
thought that way.

863
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,119
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the majority thinks. If Jesus says it,

864
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,400
that settles it. He's the ultimate authority.

865
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,679
Speaker 23: Oh yeah, But my question is what what they thought,

866
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:26,480
like what Jews generally thought in that term, Maybe maybe

867
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,599
the evidence is not there.

868
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: Well, in the days of Jesus, Jesus is there giving

869
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,719
witness to him being the second person the Trinity, who

870
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was the God of the Old Testament. And so when

871
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,119
he presents that to the Pharisees, they rejected, demonstrating that

872
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:42,800
they are Unitarian Pharisees.

873
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:52,719
Speaker 23: Sure, yes, okay, And when was that post who said that?

874
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: Were the sources.

875
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: It's right here on my Twitter. It's called the Jewish Trinity.

876
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:01,119
You can also look up my video Jewish. It's also

877
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,159
my opening statement to the debate I had with the

878
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:05,760
Muslim Daniel Hakikachew.

879
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thanks, thank you.

880
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely good question. Yeah, please do check out the

881
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:15,039
text there because these are very important texts for making

882
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:17,960
this point against Muslims. And it turns out now the

883
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:29,239
Unitarian Roman Catholics slinger what's up man? Yes, Abraham worship Jesus.

884
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,760
People just have such a hard time with this. I mean,

885
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,280
this is why the whole argument is so stupid from

886
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,400
Trent Horne to cite the dialogue with Try for the

887
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,440
jew because the whole book is against what he argued

888
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,440
against me. In my first debate with Trent, Trent argued

889
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,519
the Old Testaments unitarian. The whole point of the Book

890
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:53,760
of Justin Martyr is that it's not Unitarian book. What's up?

891
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: Hear me? Huh?

892
00:58:58,599 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

893
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,199
Speaker 27: I had a I guess two things to ask. There

894
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,880
was a video I like a clip I saw. I

895
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,480
don't remeber where I saw. It was Sam Shamoum basically

896
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:12,159
saying his interpretation of Vatican two, where it's like in

897
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:16,719
an evangelical sense, like that might have in an evangelizing sense,

898
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,599
like when you're trying to convert someone you don't, you.

899
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,159
Speaker 13: Know, off the bat, tell them they're worshiping the devil.

900
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. You can't cloak heretical

901
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:29,840
statements in evangelism. I'm gonna say a bunch of heterodox

902
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,519
stuff that we worshiped in love and adore the same God. Uh,

903
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:36,039
for the purpose of tricking you into becoming a Catholic.

904
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:37,400
That's that's just retarded.

905
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that.

906
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,559
Speaker 27: But what I'm asking is, because Vatican two is a

907
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:47,840
text that has to be interpreted, how are Catholics going

908
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,079
to ever know what it means?

909
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: Aren't they aren't they like the trad cats and like these.

910
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: Well this is another point where yeah, I brought this. Yeah,

911
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,440
this is another point that I brought up probably a

912
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:01,519
million times about Roman Catholicism, is that the Vatican two

913
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:06,360
documents are supposed to themselves be the magisterial clarifications and

914
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,599
guess what, Oh, turns out we need other clarifications like

915
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:12,519
this document, which I'm sure many Roman Catholics are gonna

916
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,559
say it's not magisterial'll have to accepted. Wait a minute,

917
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:18,960
but it's a clarification from your magisterium, from the papacy

918
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:22,440
on Vatican two, which Vatican two was supposed to be

919
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:26,840
the magisterial clarification. It's an infinite regress of stupidity. As

920
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,400
we have pointed out a million times, I have made

921
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,039
that argument about epistemology. I'm not kidding.

922
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:33,199
Speaker 10: Uh.

923
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: Since we've been doing these open forums, and even before that,

924
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,519
one of the first videos I put up was this

925
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,079
papal circularity nonsense Tanner Davis.

926
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,199
Speaker 2: Hellopen yep. I'd like to come, hey, I wanted to

927
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:57,519
get your thoughts on this. Do you think some of

928
01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:58,880
the confusion for.

929
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:07,199
Speaker 13: Roman Catholics relates to their denial of the essence energies absolution?

930
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah. Natural theology is premised on the idea

931
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:15,000
that by reasoning alone, apart from divine revelation, I can

932
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:19,639
pick out generic attributes of a generic first cause monad

933
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:23,239
And that's exactly what I debated Trent Horn about. So

934
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:27,639
notice Trent's natural theology is leading to the same dumb

935
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:30,719
conclusions of all the rest of these people in positions ethan,

936
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,920
what's up look at people who disagree. By the way,

937
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,760
every time you can remember what's up. John Kell twenty

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dollars sig that a great review of the Ap Trent debate.

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Check it out. Orthotokeas twenty dollars. I couldn't watch all

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Trent's video. He just cited sources about ignorance, but ignores

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the fact that the Koran tells Muslims to reject God,

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his Father and the Trinity. Yeah, that's because Trent doesn't

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actually know what Islam teaches, as it says right here,

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very early in the Koran. By the way, this is

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book four of the Qoran. People of the book don't

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say Trinity, don't say Jesus is God. Let's just leave

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that up for these idiots who literally know nothing about Islam.

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Steven no Wa, we already went to we're looking for

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people who disagree andres you cannot argue as Ortho Toko

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says that the Muslims are in a state of invincible

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ignorance because Islam is predicated on rejecting the Trinity. I

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have said this in every one of these debates. I'm

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pretty sure I said it to Tim Gordon and the

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Timcast debate too. Islam is not like the pagan guy

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on an island. The religion is premised on talhed unifying unity,

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which which they think necessitates rejection of Trinity and due

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to Christ. This is so obvious. Why are we having

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to argue this stupid nonsense? Go ahead?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 6: What's that?

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Speaker 4: Jay?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 13: Hey, so about the whole Acts seventeen that they keep

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bringing up.

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Speaker 8: It's it's kind of funny.

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Speaker 22: Because it's like later on everybody converted anyway, So what

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was the purpose.

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Speaker 1: Of you know, yeah, why why did they have to convert? Yeah?

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Why did they have to convert? If Paul is just

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simply saying that they already worshiped the once rug God?

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So stupid, Caleb, what's up? Man? Great point.

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Speaker 28: So, I was listening to a video that you and

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doctor Bo Branson did on how Arians were ninety nine

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point nine to nine whatever percent of the same church,

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yet their one disagreement was enough to get and excommunicated

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and enough to where they weren't actually worshiping the same God.

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And when I was listening to you guys discuss this,

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this was one of the biggest points that brought me

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out of Protestantism, and this would refute Catholics as well,

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which is so insane a brother, and so even you know,

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just with your journey, because you just make this sound

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so easy and so obvious. What was your journey, you know,

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coming out of Catholicism and the spiritual life? Because I

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have so many friends and they're all just so pharisaical

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and Talmudic about their spiritual life, and it's so clear

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just listening to all these Catholic apologists, But what was

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your journey that really got you out.

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Speaker 1: Of I was. I was in the religion of Dead

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works of Talmu a Catholicism, so I experienced it firsthand,

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and you're absolutely correct. And Manuel, it's this is so stupid.

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It's like it's like the Catholic argument is like forcing

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a Muslim to say, nah, you're still worshiping Jesus and Trinity.

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We got you. And the Muslims like brother one one

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one equal to one, one equal to one. I do

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the worship Jesus, don't like aternity, do not want And

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the Catholics are like, no, stop it, Abdul, You're still

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worshiping the same as us. We're all about buddies together.

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What's up man? Hey?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So, how does the essence entergy destiction like fix

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the problem of defying conceptualism and how God is able

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to like round abstrak objects in his mind.

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Speaker 2: That creates a problem when it comes to like a.

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Speaker 1: Staatey well, because the divine ideas are not synonymous with

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or reducible to the divine essence like intunism, so God

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is not bound by any necessity to actualize those ideas.

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He can actualize some of them and not others, so

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it maintains God's free will.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And also, we don't collapse the uh divine. We don't

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collapse universals into being the divine ideas or into being

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the divine essence. That's the platonic approach. And that's another problem, Auntie,

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what's an anti entity? One plus one plus one equal three?

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Icons are adalatry Jay j but Jay can I But

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it wasn't next Crawt the draw. If God is really

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why does he allow evil? Oh? Crap, what's the name

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of it? Unmute dude, channel, We're gonna play that classic.

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I haven't played this in a.

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Speaker 29: While, James, Jamie, could you make me I express?

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Speaker 7: So okay, we're gonna open it up. Let's keep it

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on topic.

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Speaker 11: One plus one plus one equal free icons are ideala

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try Jay j but Jay.

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Speaker 7: Can I talk?

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Speaker 11: But it wasn't Next Catho dra If God is real,

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why does he allow evil?

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Speaker 7: Why do you pray to dead people? Traditions of men?

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Speaker 8: It's a no brainer.

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Speaker 7: You're such a tyrannical rainer. Is this your first time

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on the inn?

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Speaker 29: Or well?

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Speaker 7: I need to change your too, can't say?

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Speaker 8: Can tease loads your slow boy?

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Speaker 4: Is this your good time?

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Speaker 8: Only? Wes jue?

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Speaker 7: Was that an uncreated footing part?

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Speaker 8: Unmute? Dude?

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Speaker 2: Stop repeating my name?

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Speaker 24: Dude?

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Speaker 7: You Goober's call in or I'll boot you. Where did

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we get the Bible from?

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Speaker 1: I'll boot you with that uncreative foot what's up?

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Speaker 11: Man?

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Speaker 1: Are you there? DC Woodworking two dollars Rich Gi became

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a member Gainer's five dollars. Trent is an undercover Orthodox

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apologist behind enemy lines. He's actually devoted to our calls.

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That might be a fun conspiracy theory to entertain. He

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has Traditional News two dollars premis one Clark Kent premise

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two Lows Slaying premis three Trinity equal Satan. I don't

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know what that means. Suko five dollars. It's crazy that

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Roman Catholics don't want the Bible to differentiate the true God.

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They just want to defend the papacy. That's the god

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of the religion. Oh six, oh yeah, twenty dollars. If

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Roman Catholics were to ask a Muslim, which person the

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Trinity are you worshiping when the end of the debate, Yeah,

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this was Jimbob's argument, and I think it's really good.

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So if a Muslim, if a Catholic says a Muslim's

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worshiping the same God, ask the Catholic, okay, when they

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call it God, which person? Debate over because a Muslim

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will say it's not Father's not son, it's not a spirit.

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So there go. They would pick out Father, but he's

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in supparate from Trinity, which Muslims reject. Correct. One of

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the raphil twenty dollars favorite thing lately is to press

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these coping Roman crep hit hit my camera. Ask the

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Catholics to confess they worship the God of Muhammad. Deep

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down they know that if they say that, it feels

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like apostasy. Well yeah, but they're just following their popes

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and worshiping in the monsques. But that's the big issue

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here is that this is not intellectual. This is spiritual,

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and I would not have you partakers of this, of

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the table of demons, as Paul says, the papacy is

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tempting you and offering you to partake of the table

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of demons relentless RG ten dollars. Would this fit into

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the theseus ship paradox? I mean, it's kind of like

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the Hooded Man one, isn't it. I don't. I haven't

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looked at that in a long time, but it sounds

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like it. Contemporary companion of five dollars. Maybe I'm gonna

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get frisky with the neighbor we're married. But it's okay

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because it's a human. So basically you're a human, so

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it's the same human exactly, Slaw Morrison, five dollars. It's

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weird to see Protestants promote Judaism with dispensationalism, well, Romancholics

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for money, Islam and papalism. It's like it's all one

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big siop. Yeah, it's everything, but the Orthodox faith worshiping

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the triad G Twenty six five dollars. I'm a pagan,

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I worship of Paul Stones, the one God of the paper.

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It's all the same God. Yeah, exactly, Miru timbucks, which

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heresy of Trent is the worst. All the all Jews

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go to heaven, which sounds like the cartoon movie worship

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is just an innate feeling. It doesn't matter what you're

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actually directing the worship too. I mean they're all terrible.

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I mean in saying that Muslims have the Gospel, it

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is just I mean, Vatican three coming up soon, all

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you tradcats from Suko two dollars. Silvar Ogre became a member,

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Jason t two dollars. Vatican three will be spirit of Antichrist. Well,

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Vatican two is already spirit of anti Christ. Jordan Lofkin

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five dollars. These people think Christians and Muslims have the

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same answer based on the question being asked. If it's

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the same question, what is that? Fallacy Mott and Bailey fallacy,

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I think Dalton five dollars. I'm not a Roman Catholic.

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Doesn't it follow that since Vatican one and two are

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not always believed, they're not dogmatic. No, that would just

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mean that Roman Catholics are not being consistent. It is

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supposed to be always believed Jordan. Five dollars. Jay, explain

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why people keep skulls on my authos. We have relics.

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We believe in relics of the saints, relics just like

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the bones of Elisha heal people droning in scenery. Two dollars.

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His guy seems like ai Christian fat. I don't know

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what that means, Suko, two dollars. The way they solve

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this is to invite Trent to a mubahalla that must

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be some Islamic thing. I don't know what that is.

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Putin wants chesneya which is full of Muslims. Therefore Kirol

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will say they worship the same god. Yeah, I mean

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there's probably a geopolitical all ecumenism. Actually, I mean it

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has a spiritual disease component to it. But actually acumenism

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is pretty much a geopolitical Western strategy, and we've covered

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that ad infinitum. But that's true. Dude, seriously became a

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member Anthony Epsilon became a member Adam crazy ten dollars.

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Wait a minute, So if the pope makes a statement,

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it's just offhand. If an orthodox patriot makes a statement,

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it's binding and dogmatic for all Orthodox, Trent Horne is

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not a serious person exactly. Great comment, adam double standards

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and not applying our ecclesiology to us, but rather applying

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papal ecclesiology to the Orthodox. You'll move five dollars. How

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01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:57,479
come Latins are so prone to saying that ecumenical councils

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are fallible. It's made up position. It's totally heterodox even

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in their system. But when they encounter problems, that's where

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they go. Christopher got five dollars a sprosey, ten dollars.

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The debate is indirectly beneficial for conversion of slow boys,

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just on rhetorical grounds. In reality, Romanclloch's worship Satan, so

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regardless of the normy's taking it that we are not,

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we need to say it.

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Speaker 3: That's funny, h.

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Speaker 1: Aightism five dollars, dude, really said callistos warrio or the

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cost ten dollars. Trent said that Muhammad was a sincere

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prophet writing about divorce and marriage with minors. Exactly. He

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resorted to saying that everything in the Quran is sincere,

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and he affirmed it to defend this position. Yeah, thank you, Trent.

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Speaker 2: D.

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Speaker 1: Dalwart or whatever his name is. Trent dollwarkt doing some

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01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,319
doll while over there has been way more efficacious for

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converting people out of Rome than I could ever be.

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David Murdock R. Five dollars. You have a po box

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I do? You could email me by that. Charlie Kirk

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Small five dollars. Jay is the double Trent slayer. Charlie

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Kurk Small five dollars. I think Trent should have a pop.

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By the way, romy called should start naming their children

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Fatima and Mohammed. Right, Jay, this is my Catholic JIZI

1147
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here's two three pounds. Hayley's in the chaff five dollars.

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God bless you, Jay Diar, thank you. John Davis five dollars.

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Pope Francis told a group of Muslim youth they should

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read the Koran and get spiritual benefit from it. Wow,

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I mean, this is just getting crazier and crazier. Man,

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I didn't even know that some of these, I mean,

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John Paul went way further than even I would have expected.

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I mean, and that that address to the Muslim youth,

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that's pretty wild. I'm not surprised Francis said it, though.

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Texas Guy twenty dollars Trent was asked in the ap

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debate which person the Muslims worship, and he said they

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worshiped the Divine Essence exactly. Maximum nine to eleven became

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a member. Charlie Kirk smiled to do why sa one

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one one equal three?

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Speaker 2: Sir?

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Speaker 1: Can we get a little dilla monkey? JB. Peltier? Yes,

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you climbed up in that tree. While you're doing up there?

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Why are you scared?

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Speaker 7: Why you running from every dbaate?

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Speaker 1: You ran from Manu who from me.

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01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 29: Until the monkey you find off in that tree?

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Speaker 7: What you doing up there?

1169
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 2: Why you scared?

1170
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:17,399
Speaker 7: Why you run it from thevery de bad You ran

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01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,039
my mantr.

1172
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 8: And from me.

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01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 7: Then till the pokey like the email monkeys with.

1174
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 29: Them bananas between the trees hanging down upside down.

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01:17:41,039 --> 01:17:42,239
Speaker 7: That's a smile.

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Speaker 14: Side.

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01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 11: Tell the monkey what you doing to me till until

1178
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,279
a monkey.

1179
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:45,359
Speaker 7: Till the mollcky and still the monkey, what's it doing

1180
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,399
it to me?

1181
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:57,079
Speaker 29: Till the tiller mom mody till the mom fucking.

1182
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:11,039
Speaker 1: All right, there's enough dylamucky there. Reminder too, this was

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01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:16,439
something that I noticed popped up. Remember that the biggest

1184
01:19:17,279 --> 01:19:24,680
subversives in our country are Catholic charities which involved as

1185
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,159
far as we know, at least twenty two million dollars

1186
01:19:29,079 --> 01:19:34,439
of open borders resettlement. So remember this is not just

1187
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:41,399
papal academic speculation stuff that we're arguing about here. The

1188
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,600
Roman Catholic Church is a subversive institution, that is a

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01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:50,880
criminal organization via Gladio Vatican Bank, all the stuff I've

1190
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,159
talked about ad nauseum. That's another layer of this insidious

1191
01:19:55,279 --> 01:19:59,520
subversion that, by the way, Trent Horne has declined multiple

1192
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,920
times to debate me on I've offered three times to

1193
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,600
debate him on the geopolitical entanglements of the papacy and

1194
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,640
what is a better explanation for the actions of the

1195
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,960
papacy in the last few centuries, the divine keroism of

1196
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:22,319
patrine guidance, or the entanglements and intelligence operations subverting the Vatican,

1197
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,760
which are better explanations for its actions. No Roman Catholic

1198
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,920
will debate me on that. I've asked scholars, I've asked professors,

1199
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and I think we saw this week the quality of

1200
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:37,600
debate that we get from the Roman Catholic scholars and professors.

1201
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:42,199
So don't hold your breath. They will never debate me

1202
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:51,760
on the geopolitics of the papacy A Panini. The census

1203
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:56,359
on our Acee and ethnic origins were banned in France

1204
01:20:56,399 --> 01:20:59,560
in nineteen seventy eight. That's because the plan to import

1205
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,760
Islam was long in the works, long in the tooth.

1206
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,479
G Twenty six two dollars. Mohammad will be a saint

1207
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:14,079
in the Romancelli Church, exactly, Eli p A certain pagan

1208
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:16,159
wants to debate you. It says you're scared. I don't care.

1209
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:25,199
Jason Tammy twenty dollars, Keep up the great work. Joey

1210
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:28,520
Hernandez ten dollars. Do you ever play double seven video

1211
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:35,399
games of non movie material? Did you ever play double

1212
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,279
seven video games of non movie material? I played the

1213
01:21:39,319 --> 01:21:42,199
one that came out on Xbox. It was pretty fun.

1214
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:47,279
Remember that. There was like a it was like an

1215
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,439
Xbox Bond game that was like all the old ones.

1216
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,159
I think it was Daniel Craigan was That was a

1217
01:21:53,199 --> 01:22:04,239
lot of fun. I don't remember what it was called.

1218
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:18,560
What was own called? Yeah, this is it? Oh, So

1219
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,439
if I want to play this, i'd have to get it.

1220
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,039
I didn't even know that. I thought the Xbox had one.

1221
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:42,000
I don't know I had all these, I might be

1222
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:44,920
thinking a quantum of Solace, Bloodstone. I don't think I

1223
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:49,800
played this one. I don't remember this. I think I did.

1224
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,199
I did play Golden I reloaded. I remember that. Yeah,

1225
01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:55,199
twenty eleven. This sounds right. Yeah, this is This was

1226
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:58,600
a lot of fun on Xbox on my head by

1227
01:22:59,399 --> 01:23:06,000
to quote little John my ed Ba. So the answer

1228
01:23:06,039 --> 01:23:10,119
is yes, but I have taken a year off of

1229
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:13,920
any games. I only played some games when I finished

1230
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:18,159
Estary CALLI with three. That was a treat because I

1231
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:21,039
took a year off of video games. So I've still

1232
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:25,720
got another six months of no gaming. Just because I

1233
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,560
like to fast from things and get work done. I

1234
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,800
probably would have never gotten necessarily with three done if

1235
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,479
I hadn't chosen to fast from games. Not because I'm

1236
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:38,680
a huge gamer, but I was playing the PS five

1237
01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:42,159
Indiana Jones, which was a lot of fun, and I

1238
01:23:42,199 --> 01:23:44,279
was like, this is taking a lot of time by

1239
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:46,279
the way I got to the last dude, and I

1240
01:23:46,319 --> 01:23:50,000
have to keep having this problem where I'm getting to

1241
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:52,600
the last dude in games and I'm not strong enough

1242
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,039
to beat him. This happened in Final Fantasy seven. It

1243
01:23:55,119 --> 01:24:02,680
happened in Final Fantasy Team fourteen or fifteen, and it

1244
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,439
happened in the New James Bond or the New Indiana

1245
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:10,399
Jones game on PS five. So this is really getting

1246
01:24:10,399 --> 01:24:12,920
on my nerves. Video games used to be structured to

1247
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:17,479
where you couldn't get to the last dude if you

1248
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:21,239
weren't strong enough. Right now, it's like you can actually

1249
01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:24,279
accidentally get to the last dude and then you have

1250
01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:27,880
to like go to some way far back save, which

1251
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:39,600
is super annoying. I can't even read that name, un rose. Ooh,

1252
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,279
we we got some soul, Jay Die, I got soul,

1253
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:52,560
Charlie Kurk small. Can we get Elvis? If I can dream? Impression? Uh,

1254
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:55,560
I'm trying to think of the Elvis song I'm always

1255
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:02,399
I used to always sing, what's it called? Crawlfish? How's

1256
01:25:02,399 --> 01:25:11,199
it go? Coral fish? Oh well, went into I'm trying

1257
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:11,880
to remember the lyrics.

1258
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:26,119
Speaker 20: How the lyrics to Crawlfish go coral Fish?

1259
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:29,039
Speaker 1: I haven't sung Elvis in a while, trying to remember

1260
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:33,760
how it goes? Oh well, I went into the body

1261
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,319
just last night. There was no moon, but the stars

1262
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:40,159
were bride.

1263
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,199
Speaker 30: Put a big long hook in a big long pull

1264
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:51,520
and I pulled mister crawlfish out of his hole, coral fish.

1265
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:59,039
Speaker 1: How's that, KRALI, that's a little rusty. I haven't done

1266
01:25:59,079 --> 01:26:02,000
Elvis in a while, so that's just on the spot.

1267
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:07,920
I gotta practice a little bit. Trent Gavis, Trent Grant,

1268
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,720
excuse me, five dollars. I was watching a movie about

1269
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:14,520
Bartholomew's Dame Ascer. It's another example of the Cumanism in

1270
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:19,399
the West having an underlying political motive. Uh interesting, I

1271
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,359
like to see what movie that is. Tell me about that,

1272
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,760
Gary g ten dollars, you miss my super chat. Do

1273
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:32,840
not worry for the tech fund. Cameron capturing Christianity. By

1274
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,199
the way, I've always wondered about that name, capturing Christianity.

1275
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:39,640
Does that mean he's like capturing it, like I'm gonna

1276
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,319
capture and take over. I don't know, just another example

1277
01:26:42,319 --> 01:26:45,279
of a cumunism, the way he saw a marketing opportunity

1278
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:48,960
and took the grift. Yeah, exactly. He's the Lily j

1279
01:26:49,079 --> 01:26:53,680
of Catholicism. A you know, like, who's that Muslim, blonde

1280
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:58,680
model chick that just spouts out dollar stuff? Zar Nicholas,

1281
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,439
Does it get you down five dollars? Dealing with Roman

1282
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,640
clut nonsense. It can be discouraging. I mean, I'm so

1283
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:09,439
used to this, bro. I've been debating the Roman Catholic

1284
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,479
stuff since the year two thousand.

1285
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 10: Man.

1286
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,199
Speaker 1: I first encountered Catholic apologetics in two thousand, two thousand

1287
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:25,800
and one. Of all places in a Yahoo Chat or

1288
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,720
Instant Messenger room remember instant Messenger And they used to

1289
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,079
have the rooms and you could go in and debate.

1290
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,760
Remember that. And I remember I found a Catholic room

1291
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,399
one time. I was like, I want to debate these dudes.

1292
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:46,880
What was that called.

1293
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 9: Back in the day?

1294
01:28:03,239 --> 01:28:08,279
Speaker 1: This is it? Remember this? Welcome to the wide world

1295
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:10,199
of what. By the way, sky Court. They're funny that

1296
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,119
they did a lot of good funny videos. Welcome.

1297
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Smamerzonia.

1298
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,319
Speaker 31: And on today's episode, we're gonna learn how to chat

1299
01:28:17,319 --> 01:28:20,239
with friends. Now let's check out the Boddy list here.

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01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this on what is AOL? And you

1301
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,760
could get like, oh this still exists?

1302
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,079
Speaker 32: You can still quick What do you think of when

1303
01:28:31,119 --> 01:28:36,640
you think of messaging apps? Discord I Message Instagram kind

1304
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,680
of seventeen. Having been basically on life support with the

1305
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,520
development team for most of the twenty tens, well, owing

1306
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,079
to its strong cultural impact, there have been a few

1307
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:46,840
community attempts at reviving it.

1308
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there used to be these rooms that you

1309
01:28:49,359 --> 01:28:52,039
could go into and AOL's instant messenger, and there was

1310
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:55,119
like Catholic room, Protestant room, and it would just be

1311
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:59,800
like just spam, like just arguments and debates in a

1312
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:06,000
I am AOL instant messenger. That was a that was

1313
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:07,880
a blast in the past. Dude. I remember that. That

1314
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,880
was the first time I countered Roman Catholics and I

1315
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,119
would argue with them in there. I have to say,

1316
01:29:12,119 --> 01:29:14,039
by the way, they beat me because I didn't know

1317
01:29:14,039 --> 01:29:16,279
anything about church fathers and they were basically just spamming

1318
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:18,840
church father quotes about like the real presence. And I

1319
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,560
was like, well, I didn't know.

1320
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:35,520
Speaker 33: Augustine said that, Joey, what's up, man, Joey, what's up?

1321
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Man?

1322
01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:37,199
Speaker 2: What's up? Can you hear me?

1323
01:29:39,319 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: Uh huh?

1324
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:40,199
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?

1325
01:29:40,359 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 14: Okay?

1326
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 31: So I was wondering, from the Roman Catholic position, is

1327
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,399
there any ought for Orthodox to become Catholic.

1328
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: Well, it's not consistent because, like if you read Vatican one,

1329
01:29:54,199 --> 01:29:56,399
the very last statement is that if you don't believe

1330
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,920
Vatican one, you're an anthema, you're damned. So technically yes.

1331
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,279
Speaker 31: Yeah, And then I was also wondering, like, because they

1332
01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:08,600
admit that Eastern Orthodox have valid sacraments, uh huh right uh?

1333
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,800
If that means that they have a valid Eucharist, and

1334
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,319
Christ says, whoever you know eats his flesh and drinks

1335
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:13,960
his blood.

1336
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 2: Has eternal life, then what is that insinuable?

1337
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,279
Speaker 1: Well, a trade cat's gonna say that even though it's

1338
01:30:20,359 --> 01:30:23,000
valid and the grace is present, if you're in harras

1339
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,800
your schism, that prevents you from getting the grace. So

1340
01:30:26,039 --> 01:30:27,439
that's what a track gat's come say.

1341
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:30,159
Speaker 2: So then like from that standpoint, what does the grace

1342
01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:30,840
even mean? Then?

1343
01:30:34,039 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

1344
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 31: Like, if they're saying that the sacraments are valid, what

1345
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:39,199
does that even mean?

1346
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 1: The sacraments are valid objectively and externally. The grace is

1347
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,920
present there, right, but you're not getting access to it.

1348
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,760
It's not benefiting your soul because the heresy or the

1349
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,479
schism that you're in is an impediment to the grace

1350
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,680
that is present there. Oh okay, I see that's the

1351
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:58,279
trade cat answer to that question.

1352
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,119
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks to Yeah, good.

1353
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:06,239
Speaker 1: Question, And that's because of the sort of extreme Augustinian

1354
01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:14,399
ex opery oproat of you. Anthony, what's up, I'm already

1355
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,479
just sing some songs, dude. Let's see what we got

1356
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,880
over here in the song list. What about I'll show

1357
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,760
you what I've been all this boring ass nerd ship dude.

1358
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,920
It's just getting on my nerves. Man, this is so

1359
01:31:24,039 --> 01:31:25,760
much what I've been listening to Christopher Cross.

1360
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 8: Right, I'm gonna win.

1361
01:31:32,039 --> 01:31:38,560
Speaker 1: What's up? Man, I'm you all got some okie now?

1362
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:43,039
In nineteen seventy nine up in here seventy six, let's say.

1363
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:53,039
Speaker 2: The more boring stuff for you.

1364
01:31:53,039 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: Go for it. I'm gonna listen to Japanese seventies funk

1365
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:57,319
while you talk about it.

1366
01:31:58,399 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 2: Great.

1367
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,399
Speaker 14: So I just want this. I want to strengthen my

1368
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:06,680
critique I had yesterday. So at hour two minute four

1369
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:14,439
of the debate, when Cameron interrupted, he restated Trent's position. Basically,

1370
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,640
Trent's semantic artment requires you to tell a story that

1371
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:22,399
fixes the reference, and then ap goes on to state

1372
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:26,680
that the reference is basically changing, and then Cameron and

1373
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,159
Trent go on him saying I don't.

1374
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 2: Know what's good. They throw their hands up. I don't

1375
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,319
know what's going on? Why is it so.

1376
01:32:32,359 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 14: They believe they believe in God, and then they don't,

1377
01:32:36,039 --> 01:32:38,119
and then they believe in Allah. Like what's going on?

1378
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that part or not,

1379
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,119
but I haven't watched.

1380
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,239
Speaker 2: The Okay, that's good for you, man, that would.

1381
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: I know, I've not seen ap and what's his face?

1382
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Yes, well, let me pull up. Okay. So what's interesting

1383
01:32:55,079 --> 01:32:56,840
is this reference.

1384
01:32:56,399 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 14: Shift that they were giving a p craft for is

1385
01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:06,960
actually mentioned in the adenda in naming a necessity. So

1386
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,600
the thing I got in argument with the modern They

1387
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,279
were making the point that proper names are always rigid designators,

1388
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,279
and so I said, all right, whatever, So I kept

1389
01:33:19,039 --> 01:33:21,279
reading in do you mind if I read this excerpt?

1390
01:33:21,279 --> 01:33:25,159
I really think it highlights a really good argument about

1391
01:33:25,159 --> 01:33:26,119
this reference shift and.

1392
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:30,039
Speaker 1: Why sure, Okay, I'm just vibing with this Japanese go.

1393
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 2: Ahead, my man, so page one sixty three.

1394
01:33:36,279 --> 01:33:40,560
Speaker 14: Gareth Evans has pointed out that similar cases of referenceships

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arise where the shift is not from a real entity

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to a fictional one, from one real entity to another

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of the same kind. According to Evans, Matta Gascar was

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a native name for a part of Africa, Marco Polo, erroneously,

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thinking that he was following native usage, applied the name

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to an island. Today, the usage of the name as

1401
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,079
a name for an island has become so widespread that

1402
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it surely overrides any historical connection with the native name.

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01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,239
David Lewis has pointed out that the same thing could

1404
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have happened even if the natives had used Madagascar to

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01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:20,720
designate a mythical locality. So real reference can shift to

1406
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,920
another real reference, fictional reference can shift.

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01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,319
Speaker 2: To real, and real to fictional.

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Speaker 14: In all these cases, a present intention to refer to

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a given entity overrise the original intention to preserve reference

1410
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in the historical chain of transmission.

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Speaker 2: The matter deserves extended.

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01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,119
Speaker 14: Discussion, but the phenomenon is perhaps roughly explicable.

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01:34:41,359 --> 01:34:42,399
Speaker 1: Have no idea, what's going on?

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Speaker 10: Man?

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01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh man, I'm sure it's a good argument.

1416
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:46,319
How much were you got?

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01:34:47,119 --> 01:34:50,039
Speaker 14: Uh no, you know that was about it.

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01:34:50,039 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 2: It was really about that last point.

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01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 14: Sub fifty's point is that in all these cases, a

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present intention to refer to a given entity overrise the

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01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:01,399
original and tention to preserve reference.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,239
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, So so that.

1424
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:08,319
Speaker 1: No, that's actually a good point. Yeah, by the way,

1425
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,000
clear and present danger is also something we needed to

1426
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:18,000
think about. Grit. What's up? Grit? Is that jap funk

1427
01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:20,399
too loud for y'all? Or are we good? I can't

1428
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:26,039
tell what's up?

1429
01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 8: Many Jay?

1430
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 2: What's up?

1431
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: So I watched most of that pow Wow with that

1432
01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:35,039
Trent character, and I.

1433
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 2: Had a couple of points I want to run by

1434
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,159
real quick. And the first was a disagreement.

1435
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 1: Because you were looking for disagreements, Bran Dog.

1436
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 2: I would say that my disagreement is that we need Trent.

1437
01:35:47,399 --> 01:35:47,520
Speaker 7: Uh.

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01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:51,279
Speaker 14: Someone has to pave the path for worship of the Antichrist.

1439
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:52,239
Speaker 1: There we go.

1440
01:35:53,079 --> 01:35:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm talking about.

1441
01:35:55,039 --> 01:35:57,520
Speaker 1: How Muslims are still referencing the tried and got as

1442
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,159
Clark Kent analogy that's complete, inaccurate, because.

1443
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,520
Speaker 2: That's not the situation here. If I make up lies

1444
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:04,880
about your life and use your.

1445
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: Name, that's not actually you exactly.

1446
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,159
Speaker 14: Lies are not an attempt at worship of the triun God.

1447
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Speaker 2: It's diversion from the truth.

1448
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think where his analogy would apply is

1449
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that the God.

1450
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,119
Speaker 2: Of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ.

1451
01:36:21,279 --> 01:36:28,199
Speaker 1: And that's the problem for Jews Muslims and apparently Catholics. Yes, absolutely,

1452
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:30,760
y'all killing it tonight. I ain't got to do no work.

1453
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,920
Y'all calling in with the heat, bringing the heat. Anybody

1454
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:40,399
disagree in the chat disagrees, don't read me a philosophy essay.

1455
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,199
You can't read it. Well, actually that's an interesting vibe.

1456
01:36:43,239 --> 01:36:51,880
Let me read a philosophy essay over jap bunk. Turn

1457
01:36:51,920 --> 01:37:02,920
it up. They said, turn it up without about I

1458
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,760
don't know if these are real seventies Japanese funk songs

1459
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,720
or the sister AI think. I have no.

1460
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Speaker 34: Idea orthodoxy dollars sing the Greek version of.

1461
01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Psalmon thirty five. I don't know how to do that. JB.

1462
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,159
Filt had two dollars. So it's all relative pretty much.

1463
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Maybe this could be like the super chat music for

1464
01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:56,640
we got a new vibe, super chat funk. Oh, we

1465
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,359
got all these other there's a whole bunch of other

1466
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:00,600
super chats we gotta do all right, hold on, Blaze

1467
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,439
is calling it blaze. I wants up Blaze.

1468
01:38:05,039 --> 01:38:09,199
Speaker 25: I was about to get blazed all yo.

1469
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 35: Hey, I just want to relay a funny story right now.

1470
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 7: I just.

1471
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Speaker 2: Have to year right now.

1472
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Speaker 35: I was debating a Roman Catholic over you know what

1473
01:38:20,079 --> 01:38:21,399
the what the main story.

1474
01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:25,159
Speaker 28: Of the week is Ray and I coin at Exodus

1475
01:38:25,159 --> 01:38:25,840
thirty two.

1476
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:31,039
Speaker 35: And I wove down yahweh And this guy is like

1477
01:38:31,159 --> 01:38:33,920
he freaked out, and he's like, I'm not debating you

1478
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,680
anymore because you wrote down the Petrick Ramaton.

1479
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 1: So the Roman Catholic is just going to become some

1480
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,640
sort of weird judaizing coletic is walk.

1481
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 35: Flip yeah like this but like just because I didn't

1482
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,319
hope the name of the word.

1483
01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 33: Like this dude is running away.

1484
01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:55,319
Speaker 2: Who does that remind you of Jaynes.

1485
01:38:56,279 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 1: The Pharisees? Sorry, demon Marcus.

1486
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 7: Jesu.

1487
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:23,079
Speaker 1: Misology is ten dollars. The words monkey diddle for me

1488
01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:28,199
refer to a certain person. Can you read this in

1489
01:39:28,199 --> 01:39:32,439
the voice of Douglas Mary The words monkey diddle referred

1490
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:36,880
to me personally is an actual monkey? And Trent that

1491
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:42,279
I've been inside. If you're not actually being inside a monkey,

1492
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:48,359
you can't actually say that you know a monkey. I

1493
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:55,039
Cano class Vatican News. The Pope says every religion, every

1494
01:39:55,079 --> 01:39:57,159
human being should be free to choose the religion that

1495
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:01,000
he wants. That's a headline. I can't put that link.

1496
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:07,079
Cody s three dollars. If you can't tell there's thing

1497
01:40:07,159 --> 01:40:12,319
God for the capital G and a god in scripture

1498
01:40:12,359 --> 01:40:18,520
little G, your IQ might be hovering about freezing heresies,

1499
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:22,840
operating the same way grammatical failures exactly. That's a Saint

1500
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,760
Basil's point Codys five dollars. If your kid comes out

1501
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,600
of skittles and you reject them for who that they

1502
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,159
say they are, you do not misunderstand them. You do

1503
01:40:33,279 --> 01:40:38,119
not allow them to be skittles. Islam knows Christians worship

1504
01:40:38,199 --> 01:40:41,479
a try in God. They reject it. The Quran says,

1505
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:50,199
don't how is the same God? That's not? What's up

1506
01:40:50,199 --> 01:40:50,520
doing to you?

1507
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 2: There?

1508
01:40:53,960 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: Yo? What's up? Marcus? The Marcus Aurelius? What's up? Well,

1509
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,359
we'll get here, you man. I'm sorry, I don't know

1510
01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:12,000
what's going on. Brian, what's up?

1511
01:41:12,039 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 8: Brian?

1512
01:41:20,279 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: Brian? I'm you dude, okay, n I.

1513
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 2: See her throw you for once. I actually got into this.

1514
01:41:33,359 --> 01:41:34,159
Speaker 7: I had a question.

1515
01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:39,079
Speaker 16: I'm a Baptist that is looking at going to Orthodox

1516
01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:43,640
and my wife and I have been trying to serve better.

1517
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,479
But she brought up the verse to me, and I

1518
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:50,359
don't want to go to my preachers and ask personally,

1519
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,239
I forgot I would ask you. I don't know you,

1520
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:57,760
so I'm not really embarrassed to ask the verse the

1521
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,000
Proverbs five nine, I don't know.

1522
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 2: If you want to pull it up.

1523
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,239
Speaker 1: You have it, you just read it or.

1524
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:08,640
Speaker 10: Uh.

1525
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,079
Speaker 8: It's basically about the bus.

1526
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 2: Let her be as loving, tying.

1527
01:42:13,239 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 16: To pleasure grow, let her breast satisfy thee at all times,

1528
01:42:19,239 --> 01:42:23,199
and be lavish always in her love.

1529
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,239
Speaker 8: And me and my wife have basically been getting at

1530
01:42:26,279 --> 01:42:26,760
trying to.

1531
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,279
Speaker 16: Figure out is there a right way to have sex?

1532
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:33,640
Not even gonna front which ones? If my wife wants

1533
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:34,880
to be held down in Facebook?

1534
01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 8: Is this okay in the eyes of God?

1535
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 17: And I can't really find.

1536
01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 8: Anything that it needs, you know, a.

1537
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 29: Hell of it.

1538
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 2: I'm also dolt. I had to question of God.

1539
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:03,079
Speaker 15: Didn't like the the Orthodox position on this topic because

1540
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,079
I had a bunch of people at.

1541
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 2: My church after the debate.

1542
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 24: We were just talking about it, and they were saying

1543
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,319
that we do worship the same God.

1544
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 13: As Muslims, and they said that.

1545
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 2: One of them said, the only way I can argue

1546
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,560
that it's not the case is.

1547
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,039
Speaker 24: Through like referential failure, So saying that they're not speaking

1548
01:43:19,039 --> 01:43:21,760
about the same thing, but the others were using arguments

1549
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,159
like such as saying even Muslu.

1550
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,239
Speaker 2: Says, Almighty Creator, have mercy on.

1551
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:28,199
Speaker 6: Me, then they're referencing the true God.

1552
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 28: But I was trying to like, in my understanding.

1553
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be referencing the same thing. Would that be

1554
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:35,439
like a word, concept, fallacy.

1555
01:43:35,239 --> 01:43:39,199
Speaker 1: Or something exactly. I mean, every response, video and livestream

1556
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:42,319
that we've done since the debates addresses these subjections. So

1557
01:43:43,039 --> 01:43:44,840
not trying to be rude or me, but I agree

1558
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,199
with you. I think you're correct, and you're friends at

1559
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:50,319
churches as well, And I mean, I don't know how

1560
01:43:50,319 --> 01:43:52,920
many times we have to not be mean to you.

1561
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,399
I'm just saying, like your friends should have listened to

1562
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:59,239
what we've been saying for lesser days. We've addressed it.

1563
01:43:59,279 --> 01:44:02,279
That song a little get on a nerd. The song

1564
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:16,439
needs to chill out, all right, It's.

1565
01:44:16,359 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 10: Enough of that.

1566
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 8: Uh.

1567
01:44:21,079 --> 01:44:23,319
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of crazy songs on here, a

1568
01:44:23,359 --> 01:44:27,720
bunch of weird songs. Anyway, I'd rather be listening to

1569
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,600
music right now. Enough of this nerd stuff. Dude, John

1570
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:36,359
Davis five dollars, Pope Francis, No, we did that, big

1571
01:44:36,399 --> 01:44:39,960
stank dick, Dad ten dollars. Could you look at a

1572
01:44:40,039 --> 01:44:46,279
Bara's post on Facebook? I don't really want to. He

1573
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,680
tackled your use of John A and one John two.

1574
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:55,039
He said that they don't all say what you claim

1575
01:44:55,159 --> 01:44:58,520
they say, Bro, I don't. I don't have Facebook, man,

1576
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:02,359
I can't. I'm not gonna scroll back to two days

1577
01:45:02,359 --> 01:45:04,479
ago of what Eric Obaras said. If you want to

1578
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,479
be a Roman Catholic guy, if people want to be

1579
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,079
a Roman callous to believe this, go believe. I don't

1580
01:45:09,079 --> 01:45:15,880
even know what that means. He's arguing, they don't at

1581
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,359
all say what you claim they say. The verses don't

1582
01:45:18,399 --> 01:45:21,239
say that. Well what do they say? I mean? How

1583
01:45:21,319 --> 01:45:23,800
is Jesus not clear that the Pharisees don't have God,

1584
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:25,880
they don't love God, they don't have the Father. I mean.

1585
01:45:27,079 --> 01:45:29,880
And Erica bar is just a fat, lying vagina. I'm

1586
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,640
just sick of him. Man. He just plays like he's

1587
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:36,439
this nice, pious guy. He's not. Man, He's a fat,

1588
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:40,159
lying vagina. Ryan Craft five dollars, Bro, I'm sorry, I

1589
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:42,199
don't think if it was a troll. No, I'm not

1590
01:45:42,199 --> 01:45:49,880
gonna do it. You just waste everybody's time. E a telephone,

1591
01:45:51,079 --> 01:45:54,800
yunko an Ashi is a great Japanese city pop song.

1592
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,600
You seem to be a fan. I don't didn't know

1593
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:04,079
about japfunk. I've never even heard of this, so it

1594
01:46:04,199 --> 01:46:06,600
just popped up and I just let it play. So

1595
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:08,279
I don't know, but I don't know about it. It's

1596
01:46:08,279 --> 01:46:14,520
new to me. It doesn't bother me, I'll put it

1597
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:21,560
that way. Cole barn Card of three dollars. I did

1598
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:23,920
a super Chael last night because Trent said Abraham and

1599
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,000
Moses didn't meet Jesus. I mean, this is what these

1600
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:32,760
people are saying. I pointed out that even you and

1601
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,000
Sam Schamun have made videos about the Theophanies. The response

1602
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:41,319
was that Sam Shamun isn't our team now exactly, meaning

1603
01:46:41,319 --> 01:46:48,880
that Sam Schmun has basically destroyed himself. Misty ringed two dollars.

1604
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,479
Ap lost to debate because he agreed that the old Tesman

1605
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,159
saints weren't worshiping the Trinity. Well, I don't know that

1606
01:46:54,319 --> 01:46:56,479
if he lost. If he got I mean, he's wrong

1607
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,319
about that, but I don't think that if he got

1608
01:46:58,319 --> 01:47:00,439
that wrong, it necessarily means he lost the debate. I

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01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:00,840
don't know.

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Speaker 3: I haven't watched it.

1611
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: Tonight's dream is not about the ap debate. It's about

1612
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:15,960
Trent Horn's video. Tommy Yoker rocks. God is good and

1613
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:19,079
you are cool. Thank you ten dollars. Appreciate that. Noah, M,

1614
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:23,079
who's your patron saying Daniel? Did it change when you

1615
01:47:23,079 --> 01:47:25,359
converted from Rome? Yes? It used to be Augustin when

1616
01:47:25,399 --> 01:47:32,079
I was Catholic and then I took Daniel. Is it five? Show?

1617
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,680
What's people shooting guns? Is fireworks going off? Trying to

1618
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:37,399
figure out what that noise was? It was like they're coming,

1619
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:38,439
They're coming.

1620
01:47:41,079 --> 01:47:49,079
Speaker 36: Iran has invaded. The Iranians have invaded. Ruben Anderson their dollars.

1621
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:52,720
Have you seen Martin Sheen movie Catholics? I'm not whoa

1622
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:57,000
It takes place in a post Vatican three future in

1623
01:47:57,039 --> 01:47:58,399
the year two thousand is preferred.

1624
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Speaker 1: What are you serious? Have never heard of this? The

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Martin Sheen movie The Catholics? What Vatican three? Are you serious? Bro?

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I just keep coming back to the fact that Frank

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Herbert is the real prophet here man. Oh wow, I.

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Speaker 7: Don't propose to send you into a contest.

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Speaker 1: Look, the priests are wearing like normal Protestant pastor clothes.

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Speaker 7: Holy man, I will give you the bar that you need.

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Our father.

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Speaker 11: Hello is.

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Speaker 10: Something like that?

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Speaker 1: So there's like some kind of like schism within Rome.

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Oh is it a movie or is it a series?

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Caliy Church have been superseded by repressive order with new ideas.

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When Irish monks rebel a Vatican officials is sent to

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bring order. That's crazy, But you said it's about Vatican three.

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Jason t two dollars. Vatican three will be a spirit

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of anti Christ see bas eight ten twenty dollars. Listen up,

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pay piggies. I like this video and that is all

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Banantium Banantium Emperor three dollars. Scripture says I am the Lord,

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your God, and I'm jealous. If any and every form

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of worship and reference is thus to the true God,

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then why would God say four times over he's a

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jealous God, no matter their reference. Yeah, I caught him

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at one dollar and one dollar Did you see the

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boxing meme of Superman and Batman pick I made? I'm

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not sure I saw Jimbob's meme Vatican who says the

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plan of Salvation includes Muslims. Yeah, we covered that. Wolfington

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Jaden five dollars romancalcs don't realize that Muslims worship the

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Christian God, then logically they must say the Romancalics worship

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also the God of Islam. I commented on this during

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the Capturing Islam debate, and the Dimwitz said that it's

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not logical, but they didn't explain why Skimma bear ten dollars,

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go go Go Go, Go fest go Bot of the

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rabbit Hole ten dollars. My favorite thing has been maybe

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I should just see the superchets over here on this computer,

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because let's driving. My neck is about the snap. I

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can't even function over here. I can't see that looking

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all the way over there is just that's just not

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gonna work.

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Speaker 26: Let's let's pull it up over here, wet.

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Speaker 1: We were winding down as Brosey apologized, I'm getting pretty tired.

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I don't know if I have I don't have much

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more energy. I apologize to you all over here on

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the Twitter. We're gonna call it to call an end there.

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I'm getting tired. I got Japanese funk to listen to.

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I can't be doing all this tip history. We left

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off at rabbit Hole. Let's see, and there was a

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guy that got mad last night that I missed his

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super chat. People always think it's like, come some conspiracy

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that I don't want to read your super chat. No,

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I just probably just missed it, dude, And I don't

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remember what that guy's name was, Spencer or something. I

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apologize to you, Spencer. I wasn't trying to. Let's see

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if we can find Spencer's super chat so he doesn't

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get mad and think that I'm okay, you can't search

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super chats. I thought you could, well, Spencer, I'm not

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seeing it. I apologize. I know you did send a

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super chat because you sent another one saying that I

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missed you or something.

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Speaker 26: So noah, am no, we did that.

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Speaker 1: Volunteer two dollars if I sincerely but poorly Orthodox convert,

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poorly catechized Orthodox convert believes in it heresy through you,

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no ill will. Is he still worshiping God?

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: The difference between being in the communion versus being outside

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of the communion is a big part of this, because

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what makes you remember the Communion is not first and

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foremost intellect, because then infants wouldn't be part of the communion.

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But we baptize infants and slow boys, so that's what

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makes you remember the communion. But as you progress, yes

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through our expectations that you should know the basics of

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the faith, namely the Trinity and the incarnation. But heresy

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is not mainly a sin of ignorance. This is what

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people keep misunderstanding. They think heresy is just being wrong.

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Heresy is a sin of will and obstinacy. And so no,

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being wrong is not what makes your herotic within the

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communion and body of the church. What makes your heretic

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is clinging to the heresy obstinately, and then eventually you

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get removed from.

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Speaker 26: The church where you leave the church through your heresy.

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Speaker 1: But the grace covers within the church those who are

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not willfully obstinately being wrong. Hence why John says in

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One John, you have an anointing, and you know all

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things not omniscient. But it's saying that the Holy Spirit

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given a christmation is what is who teaches you anonymous

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ten dollars. I'm struggling to move beyond the idea that

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empirical sense date is the highest form of knowledge. Well,

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the proposition that we learn through sense data itself is

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not in sense data, So that proposition itself is prior

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to sense data, the transitional categories, the preconditions of knowledge

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are not themselves subjects of sense data. Therefore they're prior

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to or higher than sense data. Okay, that should be

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all those super chats. Do you pout regularly because of

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Trump impersonations theosis? Ten dollars, I don't know what that

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means pout? No, I don't pount mud. Remember for four months,

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we are all ALA's shin. We are the creator uncreated.

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We are the second left foot triune of are not

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creator created quadratic god. Okay, that's pretty wild, Anthony Spencer,

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two dollars, no problem, forget about it. I was in

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my feelings, Anthony Spencer, Well, I don't know if it

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was a super chat. Did you do it on stream

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labs or on YouTube? See I'm scrolling through stream labs

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right now and I don't see anybody. I don't see

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Anthony Spencer, Charlie Kirk smile. Ten dollars. Give me some

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a j sweet hype music. I forget the name of

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it or the paradigm of absolute control. And that's why

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we're just out here doing simple things, pointing out that

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we're meant to be in nature of me n astral

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and this is where.

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Speaker 33: We find the source that God made transcend the new

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world order.

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Speaker 1: And that's why they want to try to keep us

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out of it.

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Speaker 8: I'm bain.

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Speaker 7: I've had enough of these people.

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Speaker 29: The bones of Christian murder of sconge now on giant

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death factors keeping babies alive.

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Speaker 7: He said in that body, put what more do you

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needing all about these people? I'll go out and face

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this scone. They literally they crawl out from under rose.

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They are green and up and skin and they're run

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around screaming wheel of Satan with water. The babies.

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Speaker 6: I have them on video.

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Speaker 23: Hell is in to creep you.

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Speaker 11: Weird six stuff man, she sleeps sit in the same

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room when they creep you with a woman was mother

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wizard foot over her head warming up?

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Speaker 1: Is that good enough? Anonymous? Now we did that since

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they're hypocrite. Ten pounds. If I create a schismatical with

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the accenttheology of God, would I still be worse than

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the same God with the same reference. Semantics and the

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linguistics are always a red hearing tactic. I mean again,

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schism also removes you from the Church, so none of

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the reference in linguistic stuff. It doesn't even matter. Theosis

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five dollars. Pout is the expression of pressing the list forward.

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I mean, I guess if I'm doing a Trump impression,

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I gotta do that. Jewish skeptic five dollars. The Old

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Testaments should be restricted from being read by a lot

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of population, like the apocalypse. Many Protestant heresies come from

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reading the Old Testament without recognizing the Church, the incarnation,

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all that. Yeah, you could argue that, I mean, there

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should be some kind of like level of maturity. Jews

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did this, do you know? Jews wouldn't allow you had

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to be at an adult male with a family and

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be like over age.

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Speaker 26: Forty before they would let you read Ezekiel.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've heard or read