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Speaker 2: Not fucking put the headphones on?
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Speaker 1: The CCO podcast we have a new one. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I didn't even tell you their pseudonym before we started.
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Speaker 1: Of being having a super sweet nickname for the discord,
Speaker 1: which is an actual benefits. You's gonna beat all the
Speaker 1: dude you talk about here on the show all the time.
Speaker 3: Lara actually just said she had a night Paladin vehicle
Speaker 3: for me. That's vehicle that deals damage. I'll put it
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Speaker 1: And you guys are get a mill and I.
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Speaker 1: We need to in order for that to happen, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you have to play magic with us?
Speaker 3: I never heard of it. We're gonna we're gonna actually
Speaker 3: talk about that today. Yes, I have a very significant
Speaker 3: point I want to make about playing a little bit
Speaker 3: less magic than normal. That very much ties into today's topic.
Speaker 1: And before we get to it, though, I like when
Speaker 1: real life impacts work life. Yeah, but it's fucking heavy though. Whatever,
Speaker 1: it's cool, Like, let's let's weigh them down.
Speaker 3: Today's Patreon supporter Obnoxious gear Hulk.
Speaker 1: That's a good name.
Speaker 3: Obnoxious gear Hulk became a patron.
Speaker 1: That's a great supporter.
Speaker 3: We've very much appreciate it. Also, f you if you're
Speaker 3: in the discorder or if you go in the discord,
Speaker 3: you'll get a bunch of finger blasting and middle fingers.
Speaker 1: That's a benefit. You need a real nickname. That was
Speaker 1: a fake name. So we have to come up with
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Speaker 3: I want like.
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Speaker 3: No, I want I want some gear hulk because everybody
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Speaker 1: In their head about what about what about a gear hulk? Right?
Speaker 1: What a gearhol looks like is a gearhulk, just a
Speaker 1: great big gear, a hulking gear, A gear hulk or
Speaker 1: gear gears, a bunch of small haulks.
Speaker 3: A gear hulk. And Internet speak is like that dude
Speaker 3: who's leaning over the edge of the bed with his
Speaker 3: you know, his whole three popcns stacked on top of
Speaker 3: each other hanging down like that's that's a gear hulk
Speaker 3: to me, Like when it's.
Speaker 1: So big that it it looks like a link of
Speaker 1: kuba saw.
Speaker 3: Do people that aren't from our part of the world
Speaker 3: know what kuba saw is do? But also not like
Speaker 3: from Poland or the Ukraine. Oh yeah, yeah, the Western Canada, Poland, Ukraine,
Speaker 3: maybe some parts of Germany.
Speaker 1: U kuba saw cubisaw is a what is a garlic sausage?
Speaker 1: It is a type of sausage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what makes it kupa saw, but
Speaker 3: I want to say welcome and f you too obnoxious
Speaker 3: to chubby cupisaw. I was gonna say obnoxious cupissas hulk.
Speaker 1: No, I like I like chubby ubby cubasa. I don't
Speaker 1: know why the chubby chubby is a fun word to say,
Speaker 1: and it's I think I find chubby a very rude
Speaker 1: word what really, I don't like It's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite words is chubby. Think of it. I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: chubby cubasas. I think we're talking. I think we're thinking
Speaker 1: imagine anything that's chubby. It's always better.
Speaker 3: I think we're thinking about different things.
Speaker 1: I don't think we are.
Speaker 3: Which which did direction like up or down? Does a
Speaker 3: chubby Kubasaw.
Speaker 1: Point, Yes, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I like more
Speaker 3: or less than yes, I like juby. In regards to
Speaker 3: Chubby Kubisaw's.
Speaker 1: Well, welcome to you. I like that they're aboard and
Speaker 1: we appreciate you being here, and we're sorry, but welcome
Speaker 1: to the Discord and welcome to the family. We really
Speaker 1: do appreciate it very much. Save a little bit help. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this week we're going to talk about something that we
Speaker 1: said in the intro or I said the intro, but
Speaker 1: we talked about before the show, the Darkest timeline because,
Speaker 1: as we will recall, Walking Dead happened and it was
Speaker 1: the end of magic. Yes, sir, it's gonna be solid
Speaker 1: snake versus a Molson beer can. Oh.
Speaker 3: Speaking of beer big thanks to Pilot Bone's Brewery.
Speaker 1: And the official sponsor c CEO s What Slam Season
Speaker 1: three are returning very soon to YouTube versus YEP, Optimus
Speaker 1: Prime versus Rainbow Bright all Hasbro properties, and we're all.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, and and Ball's Hasbro properties. We've got Lord
Speaker 3: of the Rings and Final Fantasy and we're getting there, right.
Speaker 1: I just used Hasbro properties because those were the most
Speaker 1: easily accessible ones because they could just use them, right.
Speaker 1: But now we've gone past that. It's been a couple
Speaker 1: of years since this has happened, and now we've were
Speaker 1: actually into a release cycle right now to day as
Speaker 1: you the listener are listening to this, where we have
Speaker 1: had the single biggest magic set of all time. That's
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy, shocking both of us because I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was going to go past Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: and neither did Ryan, and it did. So it's the
Speaker 1: biggest magic set of all time. And we haven't hit
Speaker 1: the Christmas release yet. Oh my god, so holy shit.
Speaker 1: Then we had a space themed Magic to the Gathering set,
Speaker 1: fucking whatever. But before that was even released, we're already
Speaker 1: onto Spider Man. Spider Man hasn't even been fully spoiled yet,
Speaker 1: and we're already on to Avatar before we move into
Speaker 1: the remastered set to begin next year, So the rest
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five will be entirely Universes Beyond. So
Speaker 1: we're coming four sets three months Universes Beyond. That is all. Now.
Speaker 1: It's literally the thing that people were complaining about on
Speaker 1: the internet. Yes, so what we're going to do today
Speaker 1: or we're going to address that. Is it as bad
Speaker 1: as people say or is it just kind of well,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't like the art, but things are fine.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna talk about that and give our
Speaker 1: thoughts on those things, and we would love to hear
Speaker 1: what you think as well down in the comments.
Speaker 3: Because yeah, for sure, especially some of the regular CEO
Speaker 3: listeners that always comment. A lot of the YouTube comments
Speaker 3: actually helped me inform the type of things that people
Speaker 3: are passionate about, as does the discord full of the patrons,
Speaker 3: as does comments on social media at large, Facebook and
Speaker 3: Blue Sky and x and everywhere that I go and
Speaker 3: post stuff or just randomly frequent and see the public,
Speaker 3: not even CECO Nation at large. All of it informs stuff.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to get into it quite yet,
Speaker 3: but I've been playing a little bit less magic recently,
Speaker 3: and I have some very not poignant or acute thoughts
Speaker 3: about that. But my experience with what was Final Fantasy
Speaker 3: right before Edge of Eternity, it was the Final Fantasy
Speaker 3: Edge of Eternity, Spider Man Airbender lore when revisited or
Speaker 3: whatever it's called. And then we're going back to to
Speaker 3: strict saving. Yeah, and I have the release states to
Speaker 3: all those on my phone, and I've got some thoughts
Speaker 3: about that. But before we get to it, we got
Speaker 3: to address the U. I guess the worst case scenario
Speaker 3: in a lot of people's minds.
Speaker 1: Is because it does it does stand, or it's good
Speaker 1: for us to actually acknowledge like the apocalyptic Holy shit,
Speaker 1: like because.
Speaker 3: And or is it actually the apocalypse? Like is it
Speaker 3: that bad?
Speaker 1: The last half of twenty twenty five is magic? Is
Speaker 1: not magic anymore? Two things and that things. That's when
Speaker 1: you look at the IPS.
Speaker 3: Producer Gary Laston, I say two things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a thing that that's a thing that's happening.
Speaker 1: Is it as bad as all of that? Because that
Speaker 1: sounds when I say it like holy fuck.
Speaker 3: That well when you use when you use language like
Speaker 3: oh my.
Speaker 1: God, there's the apocalypse. Yeah, Well, you got to use apocalypse.
Speaker 1: That's good, that's worked sides from and he's a fucking asshole.
Speaker 3: The first thing is, we knew that in twenty five
Speaker 3: and twenty six and probably twenty seven, they're probably going
Speaker 3: to tell us that half of the products, half of
Speaker 3: the major product releases are going to be universes beyond products.
Speaker 1: We knew that we did.
Speaker 3: This isn't a surprise when we see Spider Man and
Speaker 3: Airbender and Final Fantasy and whatever the fuck else we
Speaker 3: got this year, Secret Layers or otherwise, SpongeBob, what have you.
Speaker 1: We knew that.
Speaker 3: We knew that, and we knew even what they were
Speaker 3: going to be. SpongeBob, Final Fantasy, Airbender was the other one, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 3: spider Man, Spider Man. I think I said that, well,
Speaker 3: X Men and Avengers and all.
Speaker 1: Sure, there's going to be at least three more marvel
Speaker 1: SATs coming home.
Speaker 3: We knew that, Yes, so we can't be surprised.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing. Yes. The second thing nobody is shocked.
Speaker 3: Is if we saw two in a row Spider Man, Airbender,
Speaker 3: bang bang, yep. If we knew that half of the
Speaker 3: products were going to be universes beyond products, and we
Speaker 3: didn't get a full fifty percent as of the final
Speaker 3: two set releases. We have to expect that the last
Speaker 3: two are going to be universes beyond to make the
Speaker 3: fifty percent of the sets.
Speaker 1: Quota sure, sure, so quotas, yeah, quotas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is what it is. This is corporate freaking
Speaker 3: politics and economics and all.
Speaker 1: The shit and money. Yeah it's the bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we knew that, so we can't be
Speaker 3: surprised that we get Bang Bang Tunero, sure whatever. To
Speaker 3: have them in such close proximity to each other from
Speaker 3: a consumer standpoint is tough. And now I'll get into
Speaker 3: me not playing as much Magic recently.
Speaker 1: I think that with the proximity is the reason why
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about Okay, because we had a Magic
Speaker 1: set that I wasn't particularly into, like the space when
Speaker 1: I like some of the art and the theme, but
Speaker 1: like I was kind of overall kind of soft on
Speaker 1: the set, and then they hit us with like a
Speaker 1: set that's outside of Magic, which I don't particularly think
Speaker 1: is a terrible thing. I think it's fine, which is
Speaker 1: Spider Man. But then before Spider Man is even fully spoiled,
Speaker 1: they're already hitting us with Airbender. It's like, holy holy shit,
Speaker 1: Like I haven't even decided if I want to buy
Speaker 1: any of this yet. I haven't even decided if I'm
Speaker 1: going to commit some of my financial resources to this man,
Speaker 1: and you're already hitting me with something else.
Speaker 3: We're getting into it. This is it, and this is the.
Speaker 1: Thing for me that's like, holy holy shit, like this
Speaker 1: is if you I look back at it, the things
Speaker 1: that I like the most hasbro owns all of it,
Speaker 1: has bro owns my whole childhood, and I accept that.
Speaker 1: The one thing they don't own wrestling. And I know this,
Speaker 1: excuse me, and maybe maybe producer Gary's gonna get this
Speaker 1: as well. But when you watch wrestling, now, go watch
Speaker 1: a WWE show, and what are you going to see
Speaker 1: that's different than all those other shows? The mats covered
Speaker 1: in ads, yeah, the turnbuckles ads ads, the apron ads,
Speaker 1: the tables do they have ads on them? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: the announcer's table also have ads on them. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of just that being there is kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: and it's finally broken the immersion for me, where now
Speaker 1: it's hard to watch wrestling sometimes and Magic has hit
Speaker 1: that point for me where when I look at the cards,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to separate the IP from the mechanics because
Speaker 1: I'm pumped that new cards are coming out because that's
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to do cool new ship with all
Speaker 1: my decks. But I try, and I'm starting to try
Speaker 1: and ignore the IPS. And we talked about it a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, where I want an IP where
Speaker 1: I know nothing about it, and an Avatar. We got it,
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna have like a special guest in
Speaker 1: here to explain Avatar to us over the next month,
Speaker 1: just to so we know what. Who's this fucking bald
Speaker 1: kung fu guy with the arrow.
Speaker 3: Shit from Dragon Balls?
Speaker 1: It doesn't even make sense. How did he get so tough?
Speaker 1: You got beat up by vegeta every day? How did
Speaker 1: he get Android seventeen?
Speaker 3: That is the question that's plagued mankind since the dawn
Speaker 3: of eternity.
Speaker 1: Right because he's a good guy?
Speaker 3: Popcns stacked on top of each other.
Speaker 1: It's because he's a good man, is what it is.
Speaker 1: The guy's three foot nothing, so what.
Speaker 3: Just because he says the guy just because he's unattractive,
Speaker 3: says the unattractive guy, and bad at kung fu, says
Speaker 3: the guy he's bad at kung fu.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you can't get a hottie. You can get
Speaker 1: a bad right. All you got to do you just
Speaker 1: gotta have something going for you. Man, and Krilling did
Speaker 1: his name literally means chestnut. He had nothing going for him,
Speaker 1: but he figured out a ways.
Speaker 3: Just just not just the last not just not just not.
Speaker 1: Call him old faceful because his name means not. Don't
Speaker 1: google that his face means. His name means not. That's
Speaker 1: what it means. Chestnut. That's what Krilling is. It's a chestnut.
Speaker 1: That's what the name means.
Speaker 3: Oh Man, so much to unpack from what you said.
Speaker 3: I don't even know when you started. But this is
Speaker 3: what I go back to. And I don't want to
Speaker 3: be the broken record, the thing that I always say,
Speaker 3: But I have to start with it.
Speaker 1: You will. You start with the base and you build up.
Speaker 1: That's how it works, say build an argument.
Speaker 3: But this, but okay, you're right though my base is
Speaker 3: heyuting the argument off at the at the.
Speaker 4: Head he said, I'm right. He admitted it just now
Speaker 4: he said it. I'm going to hold on to that forever,
Speaker 4: Gary clip that so I can put it on a freaking.
Speaker 1: Key his ringer, Yeah, continue, I want to do my
Speaker 1: phone ring right.
Speaker 3: Just about the first part, just about the first part.
Speaker 3: My rebuttal is, don't buy it. And that's the end
Speaker 3: of it. Like, that is the end of it. And
Speaker 3: if you don't want to have Spider Man and Airbender
Speaker 3: and jerk Off and Avatar and dragon ball Z and
Speaker 3: Transformers in your magic, like, just don't play those cards.
Speaker 3: Like it's that easy. Oh but those cards happened to me.
Speaker 3: I just go play magic and I'm surrounded by other ips.
Speaker 1: That's magic.
Speaker 3: Like, if you don't like magic, don't fucking play it.
Speaker 3: And I did the thing that we're not supposed to
Speaker 3: do as creators of this game, like we're gonna get
Speaker 3: in trouble. Yeah, don't fucking play it.
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do? Not invite us to magic fast? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not give us premieu cards like fucking fuck you.
Speaker 3: Wat So I said, yeah, so here's the other thing,
Speaker 3: and and yes, I'm I'm playing this same side of
Speaker 3: the coin, sure, but I'm playing it from a side
Speaker 3: where I'm I'm not choosing to not play it. I'm
Speaker 3: just not playing it. Got a new job. My son's
Speaker 3: hockey season started. It's the middle of the summer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we play hockey in the summer. It's Canada, get over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's lots of stuff.
Speaker 3: Going on, and I've played less magic than I normally do,
Speaker 3: And even as somebody who who covers magic and learns
Speaker 3: about magic as as part of what I do and
Speaker 3: what I enjoy reading cards, learning new mechanics, seeing the
Speaker 3: new sets and characters. I still like doing that. I'm
Speaker 3: still a magic nerd and still do that. The frequency
Speaker 3: that sets have come out at, and not having the
Speaker 3: casual kind of cultural gameplay exposure and just spending time
Speaker 3: living in the world with my friends. I like that,
Speaker 3: and talking about Airbender and talking about universes beyond and
Speaker 3: new cards coming up. I have found it difficult to
Speaker 3: keep up because, like you say, I don't even have
Speaker 3: any of my Edgebraternity's cards yet that I ordered, I
Speaker 3: don't even have them yet. And Spider Man is half previewed,
Speaker 3: and Airbender is out, and I already know that that
Speaker 3: Loreman's coming up. And I don't have to spend money
Speaker 3: on any of those things. But I want to be current.
Speaker 3: I want to know the speak, I want to know
Speaker 3: the new products. I feel like I have to be involved,
Speaker 3: and that's where we run into me not putting my
Speaker 3: money where my mouth is. I want to be involved.
Speaker 3: I feel like I have to because I play this
Speaker 3: game and any falling into the trap, the fomo trap,
Speaker 3: and we're we you.
Speaker 1: And I also have a you I want. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say unique, but we have a a smaller
Speaker 1: percentile that we live in where it's our kind of
Speaker 1: our job to know all this stuff right, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to keep up.
Speaker 3: It's it's can we can we say that if it's
Speaker 3: our job, if if if we can even say it's
Speaker 3: our obligation to CCO Nation and our audience to talk
Speaker 3: and be informed about this.
Speaker 1: We want people to listen to our show to know
Speaker 1: that we are paying attention to all this ship and
Speaker 1: it's hard for us to keep up.
Speaker 3: I'll say this, we acknowledge that that is our reality.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't have to be everybody's reality. And with how
Speaker 3: modern marketing works, modern social media, social media in general,
Speaker 3: and the pace of product, people feel like that and
Speaker 3: that isn't a thing that I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people like. And I'll back this up by by saying
Speaker 3: things like you remember a couple of years ago, four
Speaker 3: or five years ago, five years ago, because this happened
Speaker 3: right before.
Speaker 1: COVID happened vaguely, but you're gonna have to really be.
Speaker 3: Ronvel Drain came out and Brawl Decks came out, and
Speaker 3: Watsy openly admitted that arcane signet was a mistake.
Speaker 1: Brawling we call it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brawl ring and Corvald and Chulane came out and
Speaker 3: they were the Brawl Commanders and they ripped their commander
Speaker 3: for a while, and they were CEDH decks before c
Speaker 3: H was really a thing. This is commander history one
Speaker 3: on one. We got to get Mac on the show.
Speaker 1: Huh. Now maybe that could be a thing. Who knows.
Speaker 1: You can say, God damn.
Speaker 3: It, and that that was a whole thing that the
Speaker 3: community as a whole was struggling with and wats He
Speaker 3: heard that, and it took about a year where we
Speaker 3: saw a bunch of really broken commanders.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, the whole thing. They just
Speaker 1: they power crept him out. That's my favorite part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's fine.
Speaker 3: If if the if the high tide kind of swallows
Speaker 3: everything and makes a new ground zero, they're just fucking
Speaker 3: Mountain icebergs. That's what they're doing, right, And now we
Speaker 3: have a new coastline. Yeah, it's just a higher stakes
Speaker 3: coastline than it used.
Speaker 1: To be Superman nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, and let's.
Speaker 3: Plan and.
Speaker 1: Fuck you made me lose my thought. Now, that was
Speaker 1: a deep cut that I hit you with.
Speaker 3: You did hit me with the deep cut because I've
Speaker 3: actually seen that movie. Shit Brawlring and Chiwlane and Corvald and.
Speaker 1: Sorry we ruined the show. Oh I did it again.
Speaker 1: I guess it's over. Let's go drink some beer. Well,
Speaker 1: join us next time for next sunding episode of Fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They they're raising all the waters and I used to
Speaker 3: feel obligated and I still kind of do, but I
Speaker 3: kind of don't. And man, I totally lost my train
Speaker 3: of thought. Let me ask you this questions, let's derail, let's.
Speaker 1: Re let's rerail this. So let's say it's not Spider Man. Sure,
Speaker 1: Let's say it's Magic goes back to ammon Cat, because
Speaker 1: that's that's a set that I love. Let's go back
Speaker 1: to ammon Cat. Sure. And then instead of Airbender, it's
Speaker 1: Conspiracy three, it's Conspiracy three. Let's say that those are
Speaker 1: all magic eyeps. Yes, but they're releasing them at this pace.
Speaker 1: Do you think that it has the same impact on
Speaker 1: the psyche of the magic community when there's like do
Speaker 1: you do you think it's no, No, I don't. You
Speaker 1: don't think it's any different that we're having magic not magic,
Speaker 1: not magic, But mechanically it's you changed the question. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it's very different. Like when like because right now,
Speaker 1: right now, what we've got is magic, not magic, not
Speaker 1: magic whatever the fuck until the end of the year,
Speaker 1: and people are feeling a certain kind of way about it.
Speaker 1: If we had magic magic magic, do you think that
Speaker 1: this pace of release, do you think it would still
Speaker 1: have the same kind of impact on the player basis
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say financially because like that's whatever,
Speaker 1: but like emotionally, like where they're like, fuck, like this
Speaker 1: is too much shit. I don't want to have to
Speaker 1: build Peter Parker and Arrowhead Guy as opposed to saying,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm really excited because there's a new Gideon
Speaker 1: and a new Cranko. Yes and no, yes, and how
Speaker 1: do you feel there?
Speaker 3: Magic not magic, not magic has a certain appeal to
Speaker 3: new player acquisition people who love Spider Man and love
Speaker 3: Airbender and love Lord of the Rings, and love Final
Speaker 3: Fantasy and love whatever other bullshit.
Speaker 1: That we got. That's who these sets are targeted at.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we're actually looking at a time
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna say, not WATSI. I'm not gonna blame
Speaker 1: Watzi for this one, but Papa Hasbro, who I will
Speaker 1: blame for all sorts of things. Do you think that
Speaker 1: we've reached a crux point where they're saying, Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you some fuck money, and we want
Speaker 1: you to take that money and turn it into the
Speaker 1: most money you can and they have discovered. I think
Speaker 1: that it's been established over the last few years that
Speaker 1: outside magic, eyeps bring eyeballs in, and more specific than eyeballs,
Speaker 1: it brings in money. Yes, because and I would suggest
Speaker 1: that Final Fantasy was the exception to this rule in
Speaker 1: this case, because it's the one where you've already got
Speaker 1: people who I would argue that more people play Final
Speaker 1: Fantasy and Magic than more people read Lord of the
Speaker 1: Wings and Lord of the Rings and play Magic. And
Speaker 1: I think that that was proven.
Speaker 3: Hey, hold on, hold on, you're saying too many things
Speaker 3: for me to unpack an answer anything before we move
Speaker 3: on to the next thing.
Speaker 1: I'm unpacking so many things. I'm packing so many things.
Speaker 1: But what would you say? Not only stop, just give
Speaker 1: me a question.
Speaker 3: No, you already gave me fifteen.
Speaker 1: Questions, good answer thirteen of them.
Speaker 3: I can't answer any of them.
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, gaming crossover, Final Fantasy, Magic, Yes, Yes, Yes, closer,
Speaker 3: closer game closer, relation, familiarity.
Speaker 1: Yes, retaining players is what I'm looking for. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: retaining more players with Final fantasysse are probably more existing.
Speaker 3: Not mutually exclusive relationship.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: I don't need to play Magic to also love Final
Speaker 3: Fantasy or Lord of the Rings. It is because I
Speaker 3: don't need that. Those things aren't the same thing.
Speaker 1: You love Lord of the Rings, you love spider Man.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna buy this stuff because it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a part of a thing that you love.
Speaker 3: Better if I if I love spider Man and Spider
Speaker 3: Man is on Magic the gathering that will get some
Speaker 3: people to buy Magic, the gathering, even if they don't play.
Speaker 3: And Walking Dead was the perfect example of this because
Speaker 3: it was such a small, compact, little thing for forty
Speaker 3: dollars that if I collect every walking dead thing that
Speaker 3: there is, I need the magic the gathering cards of it.
Speaker 3: That's a great way to test the water. Will people
Speaker 3: do this?
Speaker 1: The answer is yes, big Toe and your second to
Speaker 1: big Toe in the wah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but only if you're if you only got one
Speaker 3: of them longer second toes Hey like on like on
Speaker 3: uh shallow hellep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't you cut deeper than me
Speaker 1: and Gary you can even see holy shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also though, also.
Speaker 3: There is a different section of people who see Spider
Speaker 3: Man on Magic card. Hey, I like Spider Man and
Speaker 3: Magic's a good game. Magic's the fucking could be the
Speaker 3: best game ever invented.
Speaker 1: I would argue that it is the best gamele top
Speaker 1: game that they're ever invented, next to Dungeons and Dragons and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're different though one is one is a
Speaker 3: tabletop RPG, the other one's a trading card game. Yes,
Speaker 3: they're different things, different categories. But if Magic's the best
Speaker 3: version of this kind of game that we're talking about.
Speaker 3: And you see an ip that you also like, like
Speaker 3: Spider Man or Airbender or Avatar or Lord of the
Speaker 3: Rings Rings, I say Avatar we know we're going there, right, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's happening. Yeah, they're just released the next movie. The
Speaker 3: next movie, there'll be a secret layer.
Speaker 1: Yet. No, it's it's it's the anime Avatar. It's not blue. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know we're also seeing the blue guy Avatar.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be No, I'm saying we're going to Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm predicting that we're going to.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a prediction. Holy shit. Okay, having a ship
Speaker 1: give me a break, like, dding, are you Fabruary ever
Speaker 1: going to Avatar again? Well, we already had all those guys.
Speaker 3: Oh no, this is the blue this is the James
Speaker 3: Cameron Avatar.
Speaker 1: This is Sigourney we ever on a magic card? Get
Speaker 1: it here? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Magic is a great game, So whatever the fuck they
Speaker 3: put it on.
Speaker 1: People who like that thing are gonna play, are gonna
Speaker 1: play Magic.
Speaker 3: And it's about player acquisition. They know WATSI or Papa
Speaker 3: Hasbro or whoever.
Speaker 1: The fuck knows that.
Speaker 3: Ryan Panaff, good friend, Ryan, that's me is gonna read
Speaker 3: magic cards and spend money. Fusion Gaming Online is gonna
Speaker 3: buy products, and I'm gonna buy it from them using
Speaker 3: Coco Nation brom go to get a discount. All of
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. They don't care about me. They've got
Speaker 3: my thousands of dollars over the years, my tens of
Speaker 3: thousands of dollars. They've got your tens of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3: And you're not going anywhere because you're an enfranchised player.
Speaker 3: You got too much invested to fuck off. Because Avatar
Speaker 3: and Avatar came out in the same year, they've got you.
Speaker 1: It's two different things. That's my favorite part. You're here
Speaker 1: Spider hyphen Man and Spider Man one word the same thing,
Speaker 1: but they're two different.
Speaker 3: We're getting they're getting Man's Secret Layer and Spider the
Speaker 3: Set and Spider Man universes beyond.
Speaker 1: We're getting everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait until we get the Fly and then the
Speaker 3: Fly and Spider. They're gonna have mechanics that work together.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if Jeff gold Bloom was on two
Speaker 1: separate Magic cards, on two separate ips.
Speaker 3: Yes, people, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. They're gonna
Speaker 3: like they're gonna have Meldon. People are gonna tape them
Speaker 3: together and get Jeff Goldbloom to sign them like they
Speaker 3: would get to like like Elijah Wood and fucking Sean
Speaker 3: Aston to sign Froto and Salmon shit.
Speaker 2: Like that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So at that time, I got the layer that played
Speaker 1: Sarah Connor to sign my My Children of the Corn
Speaker 1: DVD and just like this happens so rarely, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I know, but this movie is so
Speaker 1: fucking good that she signed it anyway.
Speaker 3: Anyway, So very cool, very cool. I would totally is
Speaker 3: totally aside. I would take a Lord of the Rings
Speaker 3: card and get it signed by the wrong cast member,
Speaker 3: just just to see what they do, because they know
Speaker 3: they know they've signed and seen magic cards. Like if
Speaker 3: I brought my if I brought my my Froto magic
Speaker 3: card to Andy Serkis to get him to sign it.
Speaker 1: Oh, just to make a famous person feel shitty. I
Speaker 1: love that. That's my favorite.
Speaker 3: I get like the wrong voice actor and Transformers to
Speaker 3: sign some shit. Yeah, yeah, it's all gonna happen. You're enfranchised,
Speaker 3: You're gonna buy it regardless, because you have magic decks
Speaker 3: that these powerful cards go in.
Speaker 1: We've had this conversation before. It's about it's about.
Speaker 3: New player acquisition because they have to show growth year
Speaker 3: over year, right, And I mean that is what it is.
Speaker 3: And it goes back to do you like it or not?
Speaker 3: Just like buy it or don't buy it. You're already enfranchised.
Speaker 3: If you don't buy Spider Man, you're gonna buy. Here's
Speaker 3: a great example. I just dropped a few bucks on
Speaker 3: a bunch of Warhammer forty K cards for my mind
Speaker 3: Skinner deck. Sure that came out four years ago or
Speaker 3: five years whatever it was. It also was a Universe
Speaker 3: is Beyond. It also was a successful project or product.
Speaker 3: It's also old. I had to get those from Fusion
Speaker 3: who had to pay money to to WATSI to order
Speaker 3: that sealed product and crack it, or had to give
Speaker 3: money to some to some guy who traded it in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's how the machine just keeps rolling. And as
Speaker 3: long as places like Fusion and our friends at Face
Speaker 3: to Face Games and all of the other big stores, flannel,
Speaker 3: wireball and everything, as long as those keep rolling, the
Speaker 3: ship keeps rolling, and Spider Man comes out, and Airbender
Speaker 3: comes out, and Dragon Ball comes out, and all that
Speaker 3: ship comes out.
Speaker 1: So let me answ you with some more questions. You
Speaker 1: answered all my questions from before. I had with a
Speaker 1: couple more.
Speaker 3: I hope dragon Ball comes out. I do want to
Speaker 3: see that. I woul like, can you imagine day one
Speaker 3: going crazy about the fucking dragon Ball universes beyond?
Speaker 1: I want Ratits, I would. I want to build the
Speaker 1: Ratits deck because he's my favorite cause he was the
Speaker 1: most awesomest character and he didn't wear pants.
Speaker 3: And he lasted one episode. Oh yeah, and then Goku
Speaker 3: just put him in a full nelson and pickle a
Speaker 3: blast at him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just killed him with his freaking two finger
Speaker 1: kit him and his brother. Yeah, fucking blasted. And you
Speaker 1: could never can you imagine somebody could mega beam canon
Speaker 1: killing anybody in Dragonball Z? Now? No, no, it would
Speaker 1: just like hit them and be like, oh yeah, thanks
Speaker 1: for cooking my toast.
Speaker 3: Thanks for killing that mosquito that was biting.
Speaker 1: Me exactly right, like so bad, So let me hit
Speaker 1: you with this. Here's the questions, here's the here's the
Speaker 1: here's the one at a time. You've got the enfranchised
Speaker 1: Magic player base, of which you and I along, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: and I would argue that most of the enfranchised CCO
Speaker 1: nationalites are also involved. So new card set comes out.
Speaker 1: Spider man, whatever the ip is, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We're gonna look at those sets and think, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna buy some cards. Yeah, we're gonna buy them.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy some Spider Man cars.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have We reached the point where Wats's saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have this circle of people and whatevery release, they're
Speaker 1: gonna look at it and they're gonna buy it because
Speaker 1: they're enfranchise magic players.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, they have metrics on that.
Speaker 1: And now we've moved into okay, let's because we've already
Speaker 1: got the circle, the core people. We got them. They're
Speaker 1: not going fucking anywhere. We got them. And Spider Man
Speaker 1: nowhere and now they're now that's the macho man thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah booms. And now they've expanded to the circle. And
Speaker 1: that circle is where you include things like Spider Man.
Speaker 1: It's now Spider Man's like, oh okay, I like I
Speaker 1: like Spider Man. But let's try this magic thing. Oh,
Speaker 1: Avatar the Last Airbender is pretty sweet. Oh there's a
Speaker 1: cool game. Oh people love this game. Let's check this out.
Speaker 1: And do you think that now they're trying to onboard
Speaker 1: more people, but more kind of seeking to get the
Speaker 1: casual collector dollar as opposed to the onboarding players dollars,
Speaker 1: because they already know both.
Speaker 3: You think it's both, well, obviously both obviously both.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's one that they're kind of
Speaker 1: Do you think that they're tilting more towards one than
Speaker 1: the other. Do you think that they've gotten to the
Speaker 1: point where, like they're they're they're happy with just looking
Speaker 1: for the collector.
Speaker 3: Look at the design on the cards.
Speaker 1: They're gonna lean on their their their core base. But
Speaker 1: then everybody other than the core base is just the
Speaker 1: casual fan of the product that's gonna buy it because
Speaker 1: they like it. Look at the design on the cards.
Speaker 3: If they are targeting core players who they want to
Speaker 3: buy their magic cards even if they don't give a
Speaker 3: shit about Avatar The Last Airbender? That's me and me
Speaker 3: and and uncle also me. Are the cards good?
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a couple that I'm very excited about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you buy them? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are the card Do the cards have cool art on them?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: If you liked Avatar the Last Airbender? Do the cards
Speaker 3: have cool art on them? Are they collectible? Is there
Speaker 3: a collector number on them? In that case, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so Avatar collectors and people who are interested in collecting
Speaker 3: one of each of the character. And I don't know
Speaker 3: anything and about Avatar, but for example, there was like
Speaker 3: three or four Froto cards in Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3: You want all of them. If you want to collect
Speaker 3: proto cards, you.
Speaker 1: Did Lord of the Rings, if you Alex did Final
Speaker 1: Fantasy Lord of the Ring Full and Lord I was
Speaker 1: trying to I was trying to give you all the
Speaker 1: credit for and they you guys wanted to do full
Speaker 1: set just because you're fans of the IP. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: I haven't hit that since Mercadian masks. The cards are good,
Speaker 1: so we want them.
Speaker 3: We play, and we recognize them as good magic pieces.
Speaker 3: They don't have to have names or art. They just
Speaker 3: say word and have a collector number to make them.
Speaker 1: A unique game piece.
Speaker 3: And you are good. They could have ones and zeros,
Speaker 3: and if we could read binary and they were.
Speaker 1: Good, they would be good.
Speaker 3: You could put a nine of fucking diamonds on one
Speaker 3: and a ten of clubs on the other, and the
Speaker 3: ten of Clubs is the better card.
Speaker 1: That's the one that you buy. Like that.
Speaker 3: If magic worked like that, then that's what we would
Speaker 3: do because we want a game and we want to win.
Speaker 1: You want to have one hundred and nine of diamonds
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck. Ten clubs, tea clubs, shut up.
Speaker 3: So the cards are good. They're collectible to the people
Speaker 3: who care about that, or or Avatar or whatever the
Speaker 3: ip is.
Speaker 1: I think that's key. Absolutely, it's key.
Speaker 3: That's why when you look at the card, everything about
Speaker 3: the card is good. This is design and marketing and
Speaker 3: gameplay mechanics. It's it's a cultural thing. You have to believe.
Speaker 3: They pick ips that have a cultural gravittoss around them.
Speaker 3: You don't see video games that are just kind of
Speaker 3: something that nobody's heard of, right. They curate the list
Speaker 3: of what they do, and they target certain audiences that
Speaker 3: like those games. This is how like multinational corporate marketing
Speaker 3: works within the gaming sphere. It's not a mistake, people,
Speaker 3: and the frequency of it might feel like a mistake
Speaker 3: to us as a consumer, but if they're making money
Speaker 3: hand over fist, which they tell us they are because
Speaker 3: they're a publicly traded company, it's not a mistake. And
Speaker 3: this is the world we're living in, and that's why
Speaker 3: we're a law worst case scenario as per your intro.
Speaker 3: Now the question is the real question is is it
Speaker 3: really the worst case scenario? Is it the darkest times?
Speaker 1: I think not.
Speaker 3: I think the darkest times would be if they did
Speaker 3: a bunch of ips where they were just like you know,
Speaker 3: Gavin Veri and his fucking inner jerkoff circle are like.
Speaker 1: I like this, I like this.
Speaker 3: Oh, let's do these, and nobody else likes those, right,
Speaker 3: Like I like polished rocks, and they do a set
Speaker 3: on polished rocks, and everybody, I'm a marine biologist all fish. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and nobody likes that. That's I think worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: Because every card is blue and they're all fish. Nobody
Speaker 1: likes that.
Speaker 3: And and Hasbro's like, oh, we're not giving any more
Speaker 3: subsidies to Magic. The game's under We're foreclosing. Magic goes away, right,
Speaker 3: that's worst case scenario. That is, in the actual darkest time,
Speaker 3: when every single set makes a record amount of profit,
Speaker 3: you can't say that this is a bad scenario to
Speaker 3: be in. You just have to be the person to
Speaker 3: say I'm not feeling this one, and I fucking hate that.
Speaker 3: A lot of my coverage over the last few years
Speaker 3: has ended with that.
Speaker 1: That feels so anti climactic. It really I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it really does. But that's not a shot at you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just my personality. And I'm okay with.
Speaker 1: That, and I agree with you. I think that if
Speaker 1: you don't like it, I think that I've always said this.
Speaker 1: I've said this with lots of things, and me and
Speaker 1: Gary worked in like a politically charged environment. I always said, like,
Speaker 1: if you don't like something, then fuck and don't do it.
Speaker 1: Not engaging with the thing that you don't like is
Speaker 1: the best way to tell somebody that you don't like it.
Speaker 1: And if Magic had a bunch of shit that nobody liked,
Speaker 1: nobody was engaging with, they'd stop doing it. So this
Speaker 1: is obviously functional for the company as a corporate entity.
Speaker 1: I remember the other thing, Oh shit, other thing hit us.
Speaker 3: The other thing was do you remember around the same
Speaker 3: time chew Lane and Corvald came out Every Green Creature,
Speaker 3: I'll uh. The Questing Beast at Al was seventeen lines
Speaker 3: of text A seven seven for five trample and indestructible
Speaker 3: and cannot be damaged, prevented and ETBs and does this
Speaker 3: and this and this and this ev and green could
Speaker 3: draw cards and green could destroy stuff, and green could
Speaker 3: do this, and green and green and green and green
Speaker 3: and green. For like two years I do, from about
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one to about twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I play all those cards in my arena deck.
Speaker 3: Green did everything, and everybody thought that green was the
Speaker 3: de facto best color in Commander. As of now, Green's
Speaker 3: the fucking.
Speaker 1: Best remains that way, Yes, and a.
Speaker 3: Lot of the times on things like weekly empty g
Speaker 3: and articles and everybody, yeah we right now and this
Speaker 3: is this is WATSI kind of speak. Green is green
Speaker 3: needs some love. We recognize that it needs some help,
Speaker 3: and Commander, it couldn't do this or this or this,
Speaker 3: and green is the creature color, and creatures need to
Speaker 3: improve because the best spells in Magic at Large and
Speaker 3: Legacy and Vintage and Commander are non creature spells. Greens
Speaker 3: to creature color, we have to green, green, green, green, green.
Speaker 3: Jerking off fucking two green dicks at once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, my favorite thing. Yeah, love creatures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the jelly green giant off a couple of cans
Speaker 3: of beans, hell yeah, taped on top of each other,
Speaker 3: like yeah.
Speaker 1: Being me harder daddy, hell yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Being all over my whole body. And that happened for
Speaker 3: two and a half years, almost two and a half years.
Speaker 3: Cool Green kind of ended and we entered it. And
Speaker 3: and as that was happening, Watson would always say, yeah,
Speaker 3: we hear the green feedback, loud and clear. It's Green's time.
Speaker 3: You have to remember that these decisions and cards go
Speaker 3: into design and production and printing and distribution years before
Speaker 3: you ever see them. We've heard your thoughts on Green.
Speaker 3: We exited the green kind of era of Commanders right
Speaker 3: around twenty twenty, twenty twenty three ish. We entered into
Speaker 3: the red chaos draw oh yeah, and measure era of
Speaker 3: magic around call time in twenty one or two two,
Speaker 3: about twenty four.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite.
Speaker 3: Everybody fucking lost their mind. Another thing with treasures.
Speaker 1: Oh we did that too, Yeah, of course we did.
Speaker 1: And I was fucking into it because I loved it.
Speaker 3: We left the treasure era of magic, where Watson said, yeah,
Speaker 3: we heard treasures are a lot. But remember two years
Speaker 3: in advance, the Future Future League all this bullshit right
Speaker 3: our into were Mouse. No, we're into the Ward era
Speaker 3: of magic, the Ward and Synergy, the Ward and Synergy,
Speaker 3: because everything's got thirty eight lines of text. That's the
Speaker 3: era that we're in. Maybe you zoom out a little
Speaker 3: bit and look at like the super era that we're in,
Speaker 3: and that is the Every fucking thing in twenty four,
Speaker 3: five and six is all universes beyond. Like sixty to
Speaker 3: seventy percent of our products is new player acquisition universes beyond,
Speaker 3: and in due that they identify that enfranchised current players
Speaker 3: are selling out and leaving the game, and they have
Speaker 3: a high player turnover and no longevity in their player base.
Speaker 3: And what they say is, oh, yep, this is gonna
Speaker 3: take a year and a half to two years to
Speaker 3: course correct, because all of this stuff is already in production,
Speaker 3: it's already in print and distribution, and it takes a
Speaker 3: long time for us to work some new kind of
Speaker 3: super design into our model.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Gavin Verry? Goddamn it, I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't fucking wait until Everybody Loves Raymond comes out?
Speaker 3: Shit, Friends, Friends, Frasier, Everybody Loves Raymond?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 3: What other nineties sitcoms can I name?
Speaker 1: Oh? Cheers? Fuck that? Who's the Boss? Mash? Holy shit?
Speaker 3: Are you afraid of the dark?
Speaker 1: You're afraid of the dark? Set?
Speaker 3: I would give me some Are you afraid of the
Speaker 3: dark and goose bump Holy shit? I imagine, oh, WATSI
Speaker 3: fields in the mail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, checks in the mail.
Speaker 3: Baby, here it comes, goose bumps, book cover, alternate arts
Speaker 3: like Showcase models, Yeah, Showcase card.
Speaker 1: People would absolutely. Yeah. Let me hit you with this
Speaker 1: last question before we go.
Speaker 3: Last question.
Speaker 1: I know that you hate hypothetical questions, but let me
Speaker 1: hit you with this.
Speaker 3: I just have infinity different answers for hypotheticals. It's not
Speaker 3: that I hate them, it's just they're impossible to answer.
Speaker 1: But let me try and answer this one. Do you
Speaker 1: think and you listening, do you think as well?
Speaker 3: Comments below?
Speaker 1: Bitches in the next let's say two and a half years,
Speaker 1: eighteen months, I thought you were going to say, inches,
Speaker 1: we're going to see Watsy building magic sets and then
Speaker 1: pitching them to ice ips that would fit two staple
Speaker 1: and name onto them to make this do I don't
Speaker 1: think that they're going to get that far.
Speaker 3: But how do we know that they're not already doing this?
Speaker 1: Well, they might be, they might be, and we have
Speaker 1: no knowing, right, but do you can you see that being?
Speaker 1: Because I think that that for me, for me, magic
Speaker 1: the death of magic is whatever. But like, the the
Speaker 1: darkest timeline is when a bunch of game engineers build
Speaker 1: a thing and then they take it out and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we could we could stick your ship on this for
Speaker 1: X dollars. That's the darkest timeline to me, because that's
Speaker 1: kind of cool because that's where you get like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like okay, like what comes out this year?
Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets the fucking set and Raised Anatomy the set
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, fucking.
Speaker 3: With George Clooney, America's got talent, Batman and Robin with
Speaker 3: George Clooney and Uhlsia Silverstone and Chris O'Donnell, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: Arnold Swarzenegger and Uma Thurman.
Speaker 1: I would buy that hottest movie. I think absolutely, did
Speaker 1: we agree on we absolutely, we've agreed on this thing
Speaker 1: in the past. I remember we have. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just think I think that that's the darkest time.
Speaker 1: You have like a really good magic set, but like
Speaker 1: it's got just some kind of ridiculous I p staple
Speaker 1: to it because because money, and I realized that Magic's
Speaker 1: about making money. But do you think that will ever
Speaker 1: come to a point where the game engineers Wizards of
Speaker 1: the Coast are going to build an entire Magic set
Speaker 1: and then shot around and whoever's going to give them
Speaker 1: the most dollars. That's what the set is. Do you
Speaker 1: think we're going to hit that in the next couple
Speaker 1: of years following this the synergy slash universes beyond Era, Ryan,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 3: I think that Magic's rules set is complex yet new
Speaker 3: wansd enough that they could I think that they could.
Speaker 3: And if there isn't an exact bunch of variations of
Speaker 3: different abilities like kickers everything, they could just write one.
Speaker 3: They could just write something and be like this fits
Speaker 3: this and this and this, let's go and see who's
Speaker 3: the highest bidder.
Speaker 1: I think that could happen.
Speaker 3: I think that that is a lot more challenging for
Speaker 3: their already obviously very taxed design team based on frequency
Speaker 3: of product and insider trading, having talked to designers and
Speaker 3: talked to world builders and done interviews and sat in
Speaker 3: on conversations and panels and media room kind of exclusive
Speaker 3: stuff that only fucking I get to do because I
Speaker 3: have a media pass. I know that they're taxed. I
Speaker 3: think doing something like what you described is more taxing
Speaker 3: than saying, marketing, who did we get Airbender?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna build the Airbender set.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're you're absolutely right. You are correct in that, Yes,
Speaker 1: I had something. You weren't expecting me to disagree with you,
Speaker 1: were you?
Speaker 3: No? He was No, I was right, of course expected
Speaker 3: you to fucking you were. Absolutely recognize knowledge when it
Speaker 3: slaps you in the face.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked. That's why I asked you the
Speaker 1: question instead of telling you something. Oh, I wanted to
Speaker 1: know what you thought, because conspiracy Brando, because sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: fall into that, does think like, are they are we
Speaker 1: going to enter into the blatant pandering marketing era where
Speaker 1: we get a bunch of bland, kind of exciting because
Speaker 1: power creep sets, but they're not as well built as
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the ones that meant the most to us.
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings and Final Fantasy were like you had,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like these really line up because the
Speaker 1: universes beyond so far have, whether you hate them or not, audience,
Speaker 1: whether you hate them or not, flavor wise, have been
Speaker 1: overall pretty fuck pretty good. Yeah, and then are we
Speaker 1: going to get to the point where they just built
Speaker 1: sets that are good and they're gonna just staple something
Speaker 1: to them because they're kind of Genericway, I.
Speaker 3: Just had I just had an interesting thought in that. Man, what.
Speaker 1: How do I? How do I articulate it? Tony Hawk
Speaker 1: pro skater? Oh yeah, come out like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Give me a.
Speaker 1: Blair Witch Secret Layer or some ship like that.
Speaker 3: Give me, give me something, give me something like that.
Speaker 1: The lady from blair Witch just signed her stuffed monkey.
Speaker 3: Totally lost it again, totally lost.
Speaker 1: Stop doing that.
Speaker 3: I suck today.
Speaker 1: You're just you're not holding onto it. Bro, No, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was. You want to find it?
Speaker 1: Or should we just sign off? Is a good one?
Speaker 1: Damn it?
Speaker 2: Damn it?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna have it for later? I don't think so?
Speaker 1: Maybe next week? It was Actually it was actually good though. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, I'm gonna start doing the
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Speaker 1: all this shit that you're gonna buy now, the things
Speaker 1: that you're gonna buy from in the past, and all
Speaker 1: the universes beyond that you're going to buy in the
Speaker 1: future where you like the IP or not. Did you
Speaker 1: find it Nope? But I have something else.
Speaker 3: Oh, all of the non universe is beyond stuff that
Speaker 3: you're like into. Like, what if we lived in a
Speaker 3: world one day where they produced a good set because
Speaker 3: little do you know, Magic has great designers and they
Speaker 3: knew right are among the best game thinkers in the world.
Speaker 3: What if they put out a product that we really
Speaker 3: fricking liked that was good, like a lore Win product
Speaker 3: that was so popular, or Shards of a Lara again
Speaker 3: if we ever go back, or Edge of Eternities was
Speaker 3: just our thing, or ether Drift I really like because
Speaker 3: all the vehicles. What if they put out a product
Speaker 3: like that and you want it and it's actually a
Speaker 3: Magic product.
Speaker 1: Let me hit you with this before we sign off,
Speaker 1: after the Universe is Beyond, after Spider Man, after Avatar.
Speaker 1: The next one is our revisiting of Lorowen. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I we're gonna have this conversation later on in the show,
Speaker 1: and I guarantee you we will in the next few months.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have this conversation. I would argue that Lorowen
Speaker 1: was the set that was the flip from magic building
Speaker 1: just magic to Okay, we're gonna power creep things to
Speaker 1: sell cards. I think Lauren was that, and Loroan has
Speaker 1: been left so far in the fucking dust that when
Speaker 1: they reprint that whole set, it's like Jesus Christ, like,
Speaker 1: this is the only reason this is worth anything is
Speaker 1: because it was only printed in Laura and her Share
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see if that set was actually any good.
Speaker 1: That's that's the that's the task.
Speaker 3: Lauren is so fantastic because it was like the Western
Speaker 3: European myth land, but it was it was it was
Speaker 3: what Lord of the Rings is, but they couldn't do
Speaker 3: or say any of the Lord of the Rings stuff,
Speaker 3: like what are Kithken? Like what are they hobbits? They're
Speaker 3: literally halflings. The land of Fairy. That's where Laurin took place,
Speaker 3: and that is what Lord of the Rings captures. Is
Speaker 3: that land, that mythical other world. It's fantastic and I
Speaker 3: can't wait to go back there. I'm really excited to
Speaker 3: see what I'm pretty sure it's a remastered set, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm excited to see what they actually pull
Speaker 1: out of that and what it's.
Speaker 3: We're going to get another reprinted thoughts sees.
Speaker 1: Good because maybe it'll go from being twenty five dollars
Speaker 1: to being twenty four dollars good.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't get another.
Speaker 3: Is Bitter Blossom still expensive?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Are there other cards that we play?
Speaker 1: No? That's the point. No, No there is.
Speaker 3: I think there is.
Speaker 1: No Name one Shadow More card that you play Shadow
Speaker 1: More card that I play.
Speaker 3: Name one Glenna Lander Ark Maage not from Shadow Moore.
Speaker 1: Shit. Yeah, and you don't play that at all. You
Speaker 1: definitely don't play that card. You definitely don't. I did
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 3: Anamar, That's a good ass card, Anamar count A two
Speaker 3: things got it got precist already precist persist. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: calling it precist from now on.
Speaker 1: Good. I don't know Ryan's gonna think about all the
Speaker 1: lore Win cards that he plays, and we're going to
Speaker 1: bring that list to you on the episode. Uh, I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out the freakin' what's the thing
Speaker 1: the pre show? I was talking about the pre show?
Speaker 1: God damn it, who cares about the pre show of
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