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are you doing today, longing morning.
Speaker 2: We're doing okay?
Speaker 1: Oh, what a beautiful day to share a conversation with you.
Because what I love about your book is everything that
is happening in my granddaughter's life. She's not sitting around
moping about what's the future all about. She is a
rise girl, Rise, And so I felt like I was
reading my granddaughter's story when I was reading this book.
Speaker 3: Love to your granddaughter.
Speaker 2: How old is she?
Speaker 1: She is actually twenty two years old. And what I
love is is that you teach a peaceful way to
have a voice and not like we're gonna do this.
I love your approach to building a peaceful, stronger tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Your granddaughter sounds like the younger Gloria or the younger Namer.
Speaker 1: Well. The thing about it is is that we've needed
every one of those pieces parts in order to make
today happen. I mean, things don't just happen. You've got
to have people like Gloria to be able to step
through that wall and say, hey, can we talk for
a moment? Not yell at each other, but can we
just talk?
Speaker 2: Definitely? Definitely.
Speaker 1: What did you personally learn from both of this, You know,
from both sides of this project, because there's so much
going on here. In fact, one of the things that
really caught my attention right away, your book's dedication is
in the back of the book and not in the
front of the book. This tells me you put the
community first.
Speaker 3: Well, and also we want to leave the reader with
a sense of connection and community and hope.
Speaker 1: It's there. It's there in so many different ways. But
how through the editing process were you able to bring
it up to such a situation of where we identify
ourselves inside this story. That's great writing, Gloria.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I can use the encouragement since I
have many deadlines I haven't met.
Speaker 1: Thank you, but you do it in such a simple way.
I mean, is it because we're in this TikTok generation
that we just want things right now, right now, right now?
Or is it it's like, calm down, let's go for
a walk. What did you guys feel now?
Speaker 3: To tell a story, you have to have a sequence
that replicates our emotional sequence. No matter how profound the
single sentence may be, it's not as powerful as a
narrative story.
Speaker 1: I mean very openly. You celebrate resilience and empowerment. Those
are two very evident words in these modern days, and
we need leadership like this book to push us through it.
Speaker 4: I think definitely we need leadership like the book to
push us through it. Empowerment is a word that people
have tinkled with a lot over.
Speaker 2: The last few years. We've heard it with the empowerment.
You've empowerment, all kinds of empowerment. But the real understanding
of empowerment is the ability for one to give up
some of their power in order for orders to step
into their power. And I think, over the years knowing Guria,
that's what I've known her to be or to do
that step back, for young people to be able to
step into their own and I think the times that
we live in now, that's what it's calling for. You know,
we have all of these authoritarianism happening across the world,
and it's basically because a lot of people do not
understand that empowerment and leadership is not just about being report.
It's about sometimes stepping out of their land life and
allowing other of those kids.
Speaker 1: And I also believe to step out of your own
personal community. We're talking about hope, faith, love, perseverance, talk
about other communities as well. This isn't just about oh,
my section of town. We should be working together as
a global unit.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what this book it's all about.
Gloria from the US, Lemur from Africa specifically Liberia, coming
to give us two different people, two different backgrounds. Curial
brewing of years was this order for antique dealer in
different camps, mind work in a small community, going back
and forth from the city to the diligion, going to
the farm, having a tad, DNA, caet rabbits and heard
dealing with all of these and two things. And a
father who was, so it's as basically storing us that
this is the ideal world that, regardless of where you
come from, our collective humanity is calling all of us
to hang on to each other.
Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Gloria and Laima
coming up next. The name of the book Rise Girl,
Rise from Gloria Steinem and Lama Bowie Gloria. This all
came together just because you guys happened to just get
together one day and it's like, I love that kind
of collaborating where it's like, hey, I got this idea,
or do you feel like doing this, And all of
a sudden it's become this book that on this side
of the pages. I'm going, oh my god, this is
exactly what we're looking for.
Speaker 3: And this is available to everyone because, first of all,
we learn from different not Shaymeness. Difference is a gift.
It helps us to expand and learn and become bigger
people and understand more. And if we look around and
see that we only know people who are like us,
we're probably missing something.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, well, I mean look at the two of you.
You group in two completely different parts of the world,
yet you stand united in a message that that that's
inspirational to me.
Speaker 3: Good Derek Labor inspired you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. That's that's the hook that will
inspire a lot more people.
Speaker 1: But how is it that you're able to tap into
that piece calm, to use your words and your thoughts,
but not in an angry way, because never once in
this book do you say raise your voice.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that as the young woman
have come to recognize their movements for creaming, moments for come.
There are moments for rage and in the moment that
we live and there's a lot of range around us,
there's a lot of screaming around us, and people are
no longer communicating, they're just shouting. So this book is
a call for us to have favor conversations not just
about our streams, our difference, but also a bought our
together with our sisterhood and the Tally directives. Because if
you go through the pages of this book, you recognize
that even the girl will take a jab and the
girl with out as a jab, those different there's a
lot they have in common. And I think that's what
that's the message that we need for the world, quietly
to say, you may be black, I may be or
you may be white, I may be black. You can
quietly deal with our differences instead of screaming at each other.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I found fascinating with the
book Rise, Girl Rise is the actual size of the book.
I know, as kids we love to have big books,
but even as adults, when I sat down with this,
I felt like, Oh my God, I am in a
place of peace because and really, I do believe that
that the size of a book matters to the reader.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, it certainly matters visually because it allows us
to produce images that are closer to reality.
Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about
everything that you're doing? Because this is not a one
day project. This is something that has to be going
on every day, and we've got to have that discipline
and that perseverance in order to make this happen. By
name of Peace, Well, Grea.
Speaker 2: Has a website. I run a foundation in Liberia. It's
called you do my last name, Thebolicy Foundation. And then
I run an institute here at the City University Law
School called the Institute for Gender Launch Transform A big piece.
So we're still doing a lot around the work.
Speaker 3: Go.
Speaker 2: We are still writing to telling you about her deadline.
But the beauty of the life that we live and
the work that we do is that we recognize that
it's not a day's job, it's our calling, it's our livelihood.
And that's what it is in black just something that
you do for pay. It's something that you're doing because humanity,
the divine has called you to step out and be
that and do that.
Speaker 1: I love your heart is please come back to this
show anytime in the future. The door is always going
to be open for you.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you something.
Speaker 2: And we really love I love your y as it
means you love your work. That's the way to go.
Speaker 1: Will you guys be brilliant today?
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you and you'll be amazing because they buy