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Speaker 1: the show, all right. Bigfoot Society got the privilege of
Speaker 1: talking to Jenny and Norman, documentary filmmakers out of the
Speaker 1: great state of New Mexico. How's it going, guys, Really.
Speaker 2: Well, Jeremiah, thank you, it's awesome. It's a great day,
Speaker 2: oh it is.
Speaker 1: It is a beautiful day out, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: great to have both of you on today. Jenny is
Speaker 1: also a news photographer for the Gallop Sun down there,
Speaker 1: so I want to point that, and they might point
Speaker 1: out some other things as well. But Jenny and Norman
Speaker 1: have been having some interesting things happen over the years,
Speaker 1: and they reached out to to be able to share
Speaker 1: what they've experienced. So guys, welcome to the show. Feel
Speaker 1: free to if there's anything else you would like to
Speaker 1: share about yourselves, and if not, I'll let you get
Speaker 1: right into it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you're right. We live in the great state
Speaker 2: of New Mexico. It's beautiful. I live near Rama, New Mexico,
Speaker 2: which is a Mormon pioneer town that was found in
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds. And I also live about six miles
Speaker 2: away from Pine Hill, New Mexico, which is part of
Speaker 2: the Rema Navajo res and I lived pretty much off
Speaker 2: the grid, and I think we bought the house and
Speaker 2: the land about ten years excuse me, sixteen years ago.
Speaker 2: And the first time we spend any time there, my
Speaker 2: husband and I, it was on New Year's Eve and
Speaker 2: we were snowed in. I mean it was a blizzard,
Speaker 2: and my husband had gone to bed early and I
Speaker 2: was watching TV out in the living room and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, something violently shook the house, I mean
Speaker 2: shook it. It wasn't an earthquake. Or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It only came from one end of the house. And
Speaker 2: you know what's interesting, Jeremiah is to me is that
Speaker 2: it was like a switch went off. I mean I knew,
Speaker 2: I knew it was him, And I wasn't a believer
Speaker 2: before that. I've always kind of had paranormal experiences throughout
Speaker 2: my life since I was a child, but I was
Speaker 2: not into Fastquatch or as the big fella as I
Speaker 2: call him. And I went outside for a minute on
Speaker 2: the porch and it was snowing like crazy, and I
Speaker 2: could hear deep crunches coming in the snow, like huge footsteps,
Speaker 2: and I just knew that's what it was. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like something goes off in you and you just
Speaker 2: know it. So that was the first incident, and I
Speaker 2: would come up in the summers because we had a
Speaker 2: place in Arizona. It was just too hot in the
Speaker 2: summer and when to get out of the heat. So
Speaker 2: that's how we ended up where we were where I
Speaker 2: am now full time. And then there was a there
Speaker 2: was a footprint I found on my path I made
Speaker 2: like a hiking path, you know, around the ten acres,
Speaker 2: so you know, I could see if there were any
Speaker 2: snakes in front of me. I'm irish and I'm not
Speaker 2: happy about snakes. So anyway, I found the print and
Speaker 2: it was about sixteen inches from heel to toe, and
Speaker 2: I preserved it, and I wasn't scared or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but I just knew something was going on, obviously, and
Speaker 2: previously before that, when we the first summer I was
Speaker 2: up there, I wanted to get pictures on a trail
Speaker 2: cam of elk, because there are a lot of elk around,
Speaker 2: and so I put it in this place that I
Speaker 2: call the Magic Forest, which is right next to the house,
Speaker 2: and it has a lot of rocky mountain junipers and
Speaker 2: pinon trees which are sacred. You know, you shouldn't do
Speaker 2: anything to them unless you have a medicine man or
Speaker 2: somebody to be there if they need to be cut
Speaker 2: for any reason. So I put the trail cam in
Speaker 2: the middle of the magic forest and there were three
Speaker 2: pictures the next morning, and the thing was a trail
Speaker 2: cam had been moved three times, but was in the
Speaker 2: same spot I had left it when I got up
Speaker 2: in the morning and got it, and there were literally
Speaker 2: hundreds of orbs, I mean, just tons of orbs. And
Speaker 2: I know the land where I am used to be
Speaker 2: on a saz and so you know, they're people that
Speaker 2: lived there, who lived right, you know, on my land,
Speaker 2: and had children, died there and you know, and went
Speaker 2: to the other side. So I knew there was something
Speaker 2: really magical going on there. And then there were other incidents.
Speaker 2: There were a couple of rock throwing incidents. And I
Speaker 2: was out walking because I'd spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: outside it still do because you know, seventy five degrees
Speaker 2: compared to one fifteen down in Arizona. So anyway, I
Speaker 2: had some things happen, knocks, rocks thrown, and what I
Speaker 2: call freezing when I'd be out walking and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I'd freeze. I couldn't move, I couldn't move,
Speaker 2: And I remember telling BFRO about that, and I think
Speaker 2: they told me. Somebody told me that lions and tigers
Speaker 2: and things put off a pheromone like something that they
Speaker 2: can kind of freeze their prey.
Speaker 1: That is probably referring to a thing called infrasound. A
Speaker 1: lot of bigger predators will use that, and it's thought
Speaker 1: that bigfoot can do that as well, to freeze their
Speaker 1: prey or to get something to stop moving. I've experienced
Speaker 1: that as well, so go right, go right ahead.
Speaker 2: That happened three times, and the third time was when
Speaker 2: I decided I had to call bfro It was like
Speaker 2: somebody took a rock concerts speakers and put them outside
Speaker 2: my laughted, a howl, a scream. Then I grew up
Speaker 2: in the woods, up in the roundext so you know,
Speaker 2: I grew up with sounds, but this was something else.
Speaker 2: And I sat right up in bed around five am
Speaker 2: and just froze. And I had five dogs in and
Speaker 2: they froze too. We all froze. So I just wanted
Speaker 2: to find out what I needed to do to respect him,
Speaker 2: to let him know that I wasn't there to hurt
Speaker 2: him or anything like that. And so they when they
Speaker 2: came out, they suggested leaving apples and things for him.
Speaker 2: So I've been doing that and when I started doing that,
Speaker 2: the relationship changed a lot. It became was good communication.
Speaker 2: And again, as I say so, I'll let Norman speak
Speaker 2: now too, because he's had experiences since his childhood up
Speaker 2: in many many farms chin Lee area, and maybe you'd
Speaker 2: like to talk to that. Norman.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for your podcast and educating people. I think
Speaker 3: that's really important. It's really critical that you have a
Speaker 3: podcast that's focusing on a being, a person that that
Speaker 3: has a heart, that has a mind that you know
Speaker 3: is can communicate, and it's not an animal, it's a
Speaker 3: it's a it's a person. And from a novel perspective
Speaker 3: from the stories and knowledge I've gleaned from stories and
Speaker 3: listening to elders, from a novel perspective, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: it's really deep in terms of how we view this
Speaker 3: person or persons and they are an entity. And from
Speaker 3: what we've experienced as well as other Native tribes across
Speaker 3: North America indigenous tribes, is that they represent the spirit
Speaker 3: of nature. You might as you might call them a
Speaker 3: child of Mother Earth. From what I've heard is that
Speaker 3: their massive herbless I was told that they're sort of
Speaker 3: like a healer in that natural world. And there's things
Speaker 3: that we everyday people do not really understand. But those
Speaker 3: that have those spiritual gifts have a process of understanding
Speaker 3: how they are, what they are, and who they are
Speaker 3: because they've been around as long as we have Indigenous
Speaker 3: tribes and we have stories about them. And I'm not
Speaker 3: going to really go into specifics about those stories because
Speaker 3: those are our oral history. Some of those stories belong
Speaker 3: to families and communities. What I can just share is
Speaker 3: just the basic idea of who he is. He has
Speaker 3: many names. I think what's really important is that I've
Speaker 3: been watching listening to podcasts for past ten maybe twelve years,
Speaker 3: thirteen years, and I've noticed that the view the various
Speaker 3: podcasts read these stories or experiences have kind of been multiplied.
Speaker 3: What I mean by that is there's more visual examples
Speaker 3: and representations of, you know, his presence. And I believe
Speaker 3: a lot of our Indigenous people believe that it's going
Speaker 3: to continue even more. And I was told by a
Speaker 3: grandmother that there are messengers and the more they're viewed,
Speaker 3: the more they're seeing is they're trying to tell us
Speaker 3: something in their own way. And how we interpret that
Speaker 3: is through our understanding, through our prayers, and through our ceremonies,
Speaker 3: in our songs and our offerings, and from that process
Speaker 3: there is a connection that we have. It's an innate
Speaker 3: process that we've been taught since we were young as
Speaker 3: Native people, and one is being aware of your environment,
Speaker 3: understanding what the environment is, the elements being in harmony
Speaker 3: in balance with these elements. And the more you educate
Speaker 3: yourself and the more you're in that learned process of
Speaker 3: learning the spiritual reality of our relationship to Mother Earth
Speaker 3: and the natural world, we become much clearer and of
Speaker 3: understanding how we're all in this together. And that's that's
Speaker 3: what it's really about.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: It's finding balance not only with ourselves, but the natural world.
Speaker 3: And sasquatch or a bigfoot or whatever that name they
Speaker 3: have is a part of that, and we can't separate
Speaker 3: ourselves from them vice versa. We're in all this together,
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's it's an example of the trying
Speaker 3: times we're going through. There's a lot of turmoil all
Speaker 3: over the world. There's natural disasters. People might call it
Speaker 3: timate change or you know, but the weather as we
Speaker 3: all see it today is at its extreme as well
Speaker 3: as the idea of greed, and you know, all the
Speaker 3: negativity of society is really expanding and exploding into our
Speaker 3: daily lives where you know, it's affecting our way of
Speaker 3: life as indigenous people. But I might also add that
Speaker 3: all humans are born with that gift of understanding that
Speaker 3: the innate spirituality that we all have and I think
Speaker 3: if we look I believe if we look at Sasquatch
Speaker 3: or Bigfoot from that perspective, I think we'll gain a
Speaker 3: much more grateful understanding of who that person is and
Speaker 3: what their role is.
Speaker 1: Norman, do you think some of that becomes unlocked as
Speaker 1: we have certain contact with things, or it is it's
Speaker 1: present from the very beginning.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of things. One is they know
Speaker 4: who we are, just like us, my navel people.
Speaker 3: We have oral history that goes back centuries and those
Speaker 3: stories never change. And we're told that when you have
Speaker 3: a story is given to you, it must not change,
Speaker 3: and that if you modify that story, it loses its
Speaker 3: power in terms of its message and its healing properties.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure they have their own oral history, they
Speaker 3: have their own language from what I understand that, they
Speaker 3: have their own chants and songs and how they deal
Speaker 3: with the supernatural elements that is present in the natural world,
Speaker 3: just like Grandma, just like Grandpa. You know, they know
Speaker 3: that that connection.
Speaker 4: And I think that the value of.
Speaker 3: Understanding ourselves is really critical because we went to those
Speaker 3: satgetherings and usay on novel this past Spree and some
Speaker 3: novel elders spoke and they said.
Speaker 4: They already know who you are. They already know what
Speaker 4: kind of person you are. They already know what you're
Speaker 4: tent is, and that's why they tell us to have reverence,
Speaker 4: to have respect for them.
Speaker 3: And that was really a great, great thing to hear,
Speaker 3: because these elders have grow grow growing up in the forest.
Speaker 4: You know, they've they've dealt with them and many.
Speaker 3: Aspects, and there's places on now that a lot of
Speaker 3: elders won't speak of them, you know, they won't share
Speaker 3: that information.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And uh, then some elders are willing to share that.
Speaker 3: But getting back to your question, I think what's really
Speaker 3: critical is that in order for us to really honor
Speaker 3: them and and respect who they are, we should do
Speaker 3: the same for ourselves. There in a way, they're a reflection.
Speaker 3: They're trying to remind us, you know, the natural order
Speaker 3: of things that we are just a part of all this.
Speaker 3: That we do not own the land, We do not
Speaker 3: own the resources. Neither do they and it's it's really
Speaker 3: alarming because their area of land and where they live
Speaker 3: for centuries is being encroached upon and they really have
Speaker 3: nowhere to go. I mean, that's all they all they
Speaker 3: know is that area. Then they have to migrate, and
Speaker 3: then they meet other families, other tribes, and so there's
Speaker 3: this constant interaction that we are not aware of, this
Speaker 3: constant interaction with the natural elements that some of us
Speaker 3: can't even comfort or understand.
Speaker 4: There they're in a level.
Speaker 3: That is beyond the common quote unquote common person.
Speaker 1: So are you saying that sometimes they will maybe try
Speaker 1: to affect people, to get them to perhaps stand up
Speaker 1: for environmental areas that are under attack that could be
Speaker 1: used by them.
Speaker 3: I think from my understanding, from like I said, the
Speaker 3: stories and research that I've done on my own and
Speaker 3: talking with other tribes.
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 3: They're not there to tell us what to do. It's
Speaker 3: like us telling them that what how to live their life.
Speaker 3: So it's incumbent upon each of us to try and
Speaker 3: grasp that that that sacredness of who they are. Because
Speaker 3: they do appear year out of nowhere, they do fade
Speaker 3: into the landscape. Numerous stories where they follow the tracks
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden those tracks stop, you know,
Speaker 3: so where do they go? So that's what I mean
Speaker 3: that there's another component to this and it's that that
Speaker 3: that unseen that that people might call them realms or
Speaker 3: they mentioned or you know, it's another place on this
Speaker 3: earth that gets the spiritual people understand and know. So
Speaker 3: that's where they're at on that level.
Speaker 4: Then on the.
Speaker 3: Human level, it seems like they're pretty gentle with us.
Speaker 3: I mean, they have a lot of patience. There's a
Speaker 3: lot we can learn from them.
Speaker 4: But I think.
Speaker 3: What's really difficult is they've seen us progress as a people.
Speaker 2: To where are in action, where our.
Speaker 3: Relationship with the natural world has impacted them through mining,
Speaker 3: through different you know, how do I say, like, how
Speaker 3: how do you how do you destroy their lands, their
Speaker 3: water system, their their their hunting lifestyle, their plant lifestyle.
Speaker 3: You know how technology and greed for resources. You know
Speaker 3: how it's impacted their lives. And it's a really to
Speaker 3: a lot of data. People say it's a really critical,
Speaker 3: serious issue because what befalls them is you know, befalls
Speaker 3: us or vice versa. So we can't separate ourselves from them.
Speaker 3: And that's just from the stories I've heard and from
Speaker 3: the understanding that I have as a as a nave
Speaker 3: whole person.
Speaker 1: And so what something you said brings up an interesting
Speaker 1: thought as well in this question could be for either
Speaker 1: of you for for sure. So in my let's see,
Speaker 1: in my realm of you know, people talking about the
Speaker 1: weird things. There are certain areas of the US where
Speaker 1: it's thought that they could be called window areas or
Speaker 1: there's more things that are coming through. Is is that
Speaker 1: kind of what you're are there certain areas than that
Speaker 1: that they could be able to come through. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you you know what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 3: I do. I do.
Speaker 2: This is something I strongly believe through all these years.
Speaker 2: So it's just like Sedona, the Bradshaw Ranch, the area
Speaker 2: where I live out by Pine Hill is you know,
Speaker 2: you can feel the sacredness the spirituality from the land there.
Speaker 2: And I think that my area that I called the
Speaker 2: Magic Forest, well just tell you, Oh, I've seen him twice,
Speaker 2: and this is the first time I've mentioned the second
Speaker 2: time out loud, other than to my brother here. The
Speaker 2: first time was about eight years ago. We had a
Speaker 2: lot of rain and it was beautiful. I mean it
Speaker 2: looked like Ireland, that really did. And I came home
Speaker 2: one day around three o'clock in the afternoon and it
Speaker 2: was raining and it was just sprinkling. It was beautiful.
Speaker 2: And I looked up straight up the land and there
Speaker 2: he was, and he had his arms out and he
Speaker 2: was covered in white fur and he had his arms
Speaker 2: out and he was looking up at the rain and
Speaker 2: he was loving it. And I'm pretty sure he knew
Speaker 2: I was there and I knew he was there. And
Speaker 2: then he laid down after about a minute or so,
Speaker 2: in the grass and then he just like a wave,
Speaker 2: he just kind of just peered into the forest the
Speaker 2: edge of the trees there. I mean, it was astounding.
Speaker 2: And then recently a couple of I have a gifting
Speaker 2: area in the Magic Forest where I leave his apple
Speaker 2: and oatmeal, cookies and things. And I went out to
Speaker 2: check and see if the apple was gone, which I
Speaker 2: usually do, is just part of my routine, and I
Speaker 2: pray out there and I looked up and I saw
Speaker 2: a young one. I saw a young one, eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, standing behind a tree, and then he
Speaker 2: was just he peeked at me and then he was
Speaker 2: just gone in a flash. I mean, it was so
Speaker 2: My experiences have been primarily very positive experiences, and when
Speaker 2: I feel grateful and blessed to have. And you know,
Speaker 2: he does like little things, like he somewhere got the
Speaker 2: side of a bark box that says bark and left
Speaker 2: it about twenty feet away from where my dogs are,
Speaker 2: like she was communicating and I know they bark, and
Speaker 2: then you know, and gives a stone the math drawing
Speaker 2: another drawing of an arrow kind of I think he's
Speaker 2: trying to point me in a certain direction, maybe to
Speaker 2: come visit. I don't know. But when something happened the
Speaker 2: other day, there was a piece of charcoal, you know,
Speaker 2: sitting in a little white piece of paper, left in
Speaker 2: the middle of the magic forest where you know, he's
Speaker 2: left me things before. So I always say thank you,
Speaker 2: and I'm always very grateful. But I do believe that
Speaker 2: there are windows like portals, yes, and I've heard stories
Speaker 2: of them out there, but I'm not quite sure where.
Speaker 2: And you know, I would respect leaving that area very sacred,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of your question is all of North
Speaker 3: America is a portal. That's how a relationship has been
Speaker 3: over the centuries of ancient dances offering ceremonies. So there
Speaker 3: are all over North America, and they do evolve through
Speaker 3: some of those areas. It's hard to kind of explain,
Speaker 3: but real briefly, i'll share with you.
Speaker 4: When I was a little boy, I probably about nine
Speaker 4: years old.
Speaker 3: I'll be sixty five in March, so this was in
Speaker 3: the early sixties, and I had a dream of this
Speaker 3: this this being. It had long hair and it had eyes,
Speaker 3: and I saw his mouth and it was almost like
Speaker 3: a nightmare, and he was looking right at me. She
Speaker 3: or he was looking at that that that bean was
Speaker 3: looking at me, and in my dream I was looking
Speaker 3: at me. Were looking at each other, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know what it was in my dream. And I woke up,
Speaker 3: you know, really, and my heart was racing, and it
Speaker 3: was like a nightmare. And I didn't really tell anybody,
Speaker 3: but later on I told my mom what I dreamed about,
Speaker 3: and she just said, so, we'll just do a little
Speaker 3: prayer here for your dream, because that's what we do,
Speaker 3: we that negative ativity of dreams.
Speaker 4: We destroy it unless it's good.
Speaker 3: But anyway, then a couple of years later, they had
Speaker 3: that movie the what was that called a Story of
Speaker 3: Boggy Creek, and I saw that and I said, that's
Speaker 3: what I dreamed about. And that's when I realized that
Speaker 3: it was something special. Then in my teen years, I
Speaker 3: had another dream. My twenties, I had another dream, my
Speaker 3: thirties and forties. Those four decades, I had four dreams.
Speaker 3: And that's my my connection. And we were at the
Speaker 3: night before at we're at one of my sister's house
Speaker 3: and we me and my younger brother were drinking tea
Speaker 3: outside by fire. We're smoking our Indian tobacco and just
Speaker 3: talking about things, and you know, we retired in the
Speaker 3: next morning, I went out with my coffee to that
Speaker 3: fire and on top of the rock, I was left
Speaker 3: the gift and it was it was a rock and
Speaker 3: it wasn't there the night before, and.
Speaker 4: That gift that I still carry with me.
Speaker 3: And I showed it to traditional practitioners, I guess you
Speaker 3: might call the medicine people, and they told me that
Speaker 3: it was a gift and that you know, at some
Speaker 3: point that I might someday probably meet one or speak
Speaker 3: with them, or you know, meet them. And I know
Speaker 3: where they live up in the mountains here. I just
Speaker 3: know because I know where to go, and it's not
Speaker 3: time for me to go up there. But there is
Speaker 3: a connection, a deep spiritual connection that we've had with it.
Speaker 4: For centuries.
Speaker 2: And you know what else is interesting I think too, Jeremiah,
Speaker 2: is when I first moved to when we first bought
Speaker 2: the land out there by Pine Hill, and rama that
Speaker 2: when things first started happening, I'd go, you know, like
Speaker 2: to the store or the trading post and just make
Speaker 2: a joke, say hey, you know, you ever watched that
Speaker 2: Finding Bigfoot show? And people would just start opening up.
Speaker 2: I mean it was incredible. I'd say about eighty percent
Speaker 2: of the people I've met over these areas are small.
Speaker 2: Raymond's about four hundred people Pine Hill, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how many, or maybe a thousand of the most, So
Speaker 2: they're not big areas. But I realized that the sightings
Speaker 2: were across the whole spectrum too. It was Mormons, it
Speaker 2: was Navajo, it was military that live out there, ex
Speaker 2: military one was it general? Wasn't she or something? We
Speaker 2: saw her when doctor Melverum came out. So that the
Speaker 2: experiences or events as I like to call them, sometimes
Speaker 2: really ran the gamut of just you know, there was
Speaker 2: really no just one group. And so I realized that,
Speaker 2: you know, this is all these people are not hallucinating.
Speaker 2: You know, they're seeing something real, and you know, so
Speaker 2: that's and also when I started the Facebook group, I
Speaker 2: really wanted it to be for people who had PTSD.
Speaker 2: I call it bigfoot PTSD, you know, who didn't have
Speaker 2: a good experience. I mean that were scared and traumatized.
Speaker 2: And I know some very conservative Mormon women who are elders,
Speaker 2: and man, they can hardly even just they can't even
Speaker 2: really talk about it, so upsetting. So I know that
Speaker 2: different people have different different stories, different truths, truths, and
Speaker 2: I think that I just wanted to provide a place
Speaker 2: where people would be protected and safe, they could learn more,
Speaker 2: they could speak if they wanted to. And you know,
Speaker 2: so my group and our group ends up being a
Speaker 2: little bit quieter because the people often don't want to
Speaker 2: mention him because of it's like calling him out right.
Speaker 2: It's like if if you mention him, it can make
Speaker 2: him appear right. Isn't that true? Norman? Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: I'm very respectful of that, and I want to protect
Speaker 2: the group as much as I want to protect the land,
Speaker 2: you know. So, but it was really interesting to have
Speaker 2: so many people say, you know, what happened to me?
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's because where I grew
Speaker 2: up in the ad around AX. You know, it's always
Speaker 2: kind of an environmental as Stephen as a young kid,
Speaker 2: like you know, stinging ray bicycles with my best friends.
Speaker 2: We were always trying to stop people from hurting trees
Speaker 2: out in the at around X and you know. And
Speaker 2: so I think I've always been environmentally attached to the earth,
Speaker 2: and I think that's grown over the years and anyway,
Speaker 2: so that might be one reason why he decided to
Speaker 2: communicate with me.
Speaker 1: Now, Jenny, when you talk to these people that have
Speaker 1: also had sightings or encounters, are they describing what they
Speaker 1: have seen similar to what you've experienced as well?
Speaker 2: No, some people it's it's at night. And one lady
Speaker 2: almost ran into him in downtown rama, which is there's
Speaker 2: not even a street fight.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages, okay.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I love it. And he came
Speaker 2: out of nowhere and just banged on the hood of
Speaker 2: her car and stood right there like and you know,
Speaker 2: so and so those are some of the things that
Speaker 2: I've heard. I talked to an ole man. He was
Speaker 2: an elder, and he told me that, you know, in
Speaker 2: their house, he would come stand by the window in
Speaker 2: their house and look at them, he and his brothers
Speaker 2: in their bedroom and you know, so they always knew
Speaker 2: he was there. And but mine have been I mean,
Speaker 2: nobody's really shared anything around me that is like mine
Speaker 2: where I've really worked on that communication factor, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's been a blessing, really has been. And he does
Speaker 2: hear us. I know that because I collect pez and
Speaker 2: he left me a pez head is a gift. It's
Speaker 2: an old Pez too, of all the bear from Chuck E.
Speaker 2: Cheese's I can't think of the name. He left it
Speaker 2: for me. And I knew that he could. You know
Speaker 2: that I collect Pez. I knew he knew that. And
Speaker 2: you know, that's been very interesting and you know, I
Speaker 2: look forward to further communication with him. Now.
Speaker 1: The communication that you have, how does that usually take place.
Speaker 2: At night? At night? He will come at night and
Speaker 2: he'll leave something at night and it's there in the morning,
Speaker 2: and I just it's like that switch again, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have no neighbors. You know, I'm in
Speaker 2: the middle of ten acres and we it's very off
Speaker 2: the grid area, and you know, so I know somebody's
Speaker 2: not going, they're going and there it's happening in the
Speaker 2: magic for us too, where all those pinon trees are,
Speaker 2: that's where a lot of this happens. So there might
Speaker 2: be a portal or a window there, because I have
Speaker 2: found sometimes only one print in there, and they're smaller,
Speaker 2: so I've thought maybe there's a nursery. Younger ones are
Speaker 2: coming through there, you know, smaller ones when they when
Speaker 2: they manifest. But it's you know, it's really interesting, and
Speaker 2: I share everything with Norman right away. I call him
Speaker 2: and tell them if anything new has occurred.
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to talk to you for a
Speaker 1: minute about your freezing episodes. How long did those last
Speaker 1: for when it occurred?
Speaker 2: You know, that's a really good question. I think it
Speaker 2: only seemed like it only seemed like a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: But the time with the howl outside the house that
Speaker 2: I thought went on for about five minutes. And the
Speaker 2: one or the ones I had when I was out
Speaker 2: hiking walking my land, those seemed shorter. But I wonder
Speaker 2: if I lost any time. I hadn't really thought about that.
Speaker 1: I've I've experienced one of those in the woods in Oregon.
Speaker 1: This last it was in July, and it was about
Speaker 1: five minutes long. I couldn't move out of my chair.
Speaker 1: It was it was very very strange. It's you just feel,
Speaker 1: you feel powerless. You're completely aware of what's going on,
Speaker 1: but yes you ca and even tell anyone, hey, I
Speaker 1: can't move.
Speaker 2: It's like sleep paralysis.
Speaker 5: But you are, you're walking or yeah, right, because I
Speaker 5: had sleep paralysis the first couple of years when i'd
Speaker 5: stay at the land in the summer and you know,
Speaker 5: and that's.
Speaker 2: The exact feeling. It's it's like you're powerless and you
Speaker 2: can't move even though you want to, you can't. It's
Speaker 2: very interesting. Wow, five minutes. Yeah, that's kind of when
Speaker 2: I think the one in the house when the when
Speaker 2: the screen happened was about five minutes. And for the
Speaker 2: dogs too, I mean we kind of all came out
Speaker 2: of it together.
Speaker 1: So that the dogs couldn't move either.
Speaker 2: No, they were frozen. They sleep with me, so they
Speaker 2: were all right there. They all woke up, they heard it.
Speaker 2: They didn't bark, they just all froze. You know. It's
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 1: Is that Is that something that's commonly reported in your
Speaker 1: area guys, where you know, people will all of a
Speaker 1: sudden not be able to move.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'd have to ask from that gathering I went to.
Speaker 3: No one spoke of that, and there was numerous people
Speaker 3: that shared from different parts of Navo that came to
Speaker 3: this gathering at the base of the Lakatric guy Shaska Mountains.
Speaker 3: This was during the summer, and I don't none of
Speaker 3: no one.
Speaker 4: Spoke of that.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. I'm going to have to do, you know,
Speaker 2: do some research on that.
Speaker 3: One thing I'd like to share is, okay, when I
Speaker 3: were told when you go into the mountains, or when
Speaker 3: you go to anywhere in nature where there's the desert,
Speaker 3: the mountains or the canyons, that before you go upon
Speaker 3: your journey or your hike or whatever, is to do
Speaker 3: an offering of some sort, whether it's a prayer or
Speaker 3: leaving something, or it's an acknowledgement that the space that
Speaker 3: you're going into belongs to someone else, that you're only
Speaker 3: there to experience the greatness of that area. And people
Speaker 3: don't realize that. It's like a ripple effect in that
Speaker 3: other realm or that dimension or that many of us
Speaker 3: aren't aware of. So when you do that, it reverberates
Speaker 3: all across that area, and these plants and trees they're alive,
Speaker 3: you know, the animals, the birds. There's a deep understanding
Speaker 3: there of each other's roles. And our role as indigenous
Speaker 3: people is to you those elements through our prayers and
Speaker 3: songs and to get to give offerings of thankfulness. And
Speaker 3: that's been our role since the beginning of time, is
Speaker 3: that as indigenous people, we are giving you these ceremonies
Speaker 3: to acknowledge nature, to acknowledge the elements you know, and
Speaker 3: and when you cease to do that, you know, the
Speaker 3: climate changes, the things, things change. So it seems to
Speaker 3: be that in our novel teachings from many of the elders,
Speaker 3: they say that the weather's reflection of us is that
Speaker 3: we're not doing our our part in honoring those those elements,
Speaker 3: those realms or those people call them dimensions. But you know,
Speaker 3: there is that element there that is unseen, that is real.
Speaker 3: That's where the healing comes from from that space, that's
Speaker 3: where the energy comes from. The sacredness of the elements
Speaker 3: of life in different forms. We connect with them through
Speaker 3: vibration of our songs and our chants, and we vibrates back.
Speaker 3: So there's this natural process that the majority of mankind
Speaker 3: has lost. And as we continue to lose it, that
Speaker 3: element of our connection to that divine space, then we
Speaker 3: have the situation that we have now, you know, the weather,
Speaker 3: political strife, and things happening all over the world, the
Speaker 3: wars and the suffering and the hardships, and that's what
Speaker 3: our elders tell us. So that when you go into
Speaker 3: these spaces, campy it or whatever, you do that and
Speaker 3: whatever that.
Speaker 4: Whatever there will acknowledge that.
Speaker 3: So it's like, if you look at all these big
Speaker 3: Foot movies, there's these extreme violence, like these are just
Speaker 3: like really ruthless monsters that you know, I've never seen
Speaker 3: a Bigfoot movie where it shows the beauty of really
Speaker 3: what their role is on this earth, in this natural world.
Speaker 3: You know, it's always from a negative Western perspective that
Speaker 3: what you don't understand is a monster, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's reflected in the writing and you know, the misconceptions
Speaker 3: of what this being is in you know, of course
Speaker 3: there's violence. You know, look look look look at who
Speaker 3: we are as you know, look at humanity, Look look
Speaker 3: at how we've lost ourselves, you know, And I would
Speaker 3: just encourage more of the positive aspects of what this
Speaker 3: being is instead of the you know, the horrific horror
Speaker 3: stories and it might be true, you know. And some
Speaker 3: of these different podcasts I've listened, they're written, and how
Speaker 3: much are true? How much of those that are rant
Speaker 3: and these podcasts are true? And it kind of makes
Speaker 3: me think about that. But is somebody just being a
Speaker 3: great creative writer or is it real?
Speaker 1: Yeah, even today, you don't even have to be a
Speaker 1: creative writer. You can just you could just have AI
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, that's why I talked to actual people.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: We had so many experiences out here. I think it
Speaker 2: was when did Doctor Melbourne come twenty sixteen? Norman was
Speaker 2: there and it was probably a couple hundred people and
Speaker 2: came out to Elmorro, which is I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: got a population of one hundred and fifty, you know,
Speaker 2: but there had been so many sightings and events occurring
Speaker 2: that he came out and you know, that was really
Speaker 2: that was really something. They were trying to make a
Speaker 2: movie too about it, a documentary, but that fell through,
Speaker 2: you know, so people are willing to talk about it
Speaker 2: and share their experiences. I think my first experience was
Speaker 2: up in the ad around Deck Mountains, actually, when I
Speaker 2: was about twenty twenty years old, a group of us
Speaker 2: I was going to community college up there, and a
Speaker 2: bunch of us were going hiking up in the ad
Speaker 2: around ACKs and we decided to spend the night. We
Speaker 2: brought a tent and they were like five of us,
Speaker 2: and we were all in there, you know, getting ready
Speaker 2: to go to sleep. We had we had put our
Speaker 2: tent up. There was no one else around, no one else,
Speaker 2: and in the middle of the night, I don't know
Speaker 2: what were grabbed the tent and shook it, shook it
Speaker 2: and it wasn't a bear because nothing was ripped, and
Speaker 2: we didn't hear anything like that. And I think that
Speaker 2: was my first real experience. And I know around that
Speaker 2: Bigfoot John. There are a lot of things going on
Speaker 2: in upstate New York as far as sightings are concerned.
Speaker 3: I think what's really would be really awesome is you've
Speaker 3: had these Senate hearings on the UFO phenomenon, right, the
Speaker 3: undentified aerial phenomenon, you know, UAPs and UFOs, and how
Speaker 3: the Senate came together and they had these whistleblowers. I
Speaker 3: think that that would be an incredible idea, is how
Speaker 3: could we formulate a movement to have Congress in.
Speaker 4: Itself look into this.
Speaker 3: From what I understand and a lot of the research
Speaker 3: that I've done is that the military you know, has
Speaker 3: has taken captives.
Speaker 4: You know, there's there's there's.
Speaker 3: Trends that have been wiped out, and so what do
Speaker 3: they have?
Speaker 4: What do the museums have, you know?
Speaker 3: And and that would be something to look into, a
Speaker 3: mass movement to see what the government has and how
Speaker 3: they view this and what are they doing. Are they
Speaker 3: torturing you know, people are up in arms about perfume,
Speaker 3: you know, and and how animals are utilized, you know,
Speaker 3: so are.
Speaker 4: They doing the same thing?
Speaker 2: Is it real?
Speaker 4: I believe so?
Speaker 3: And they have every right to be on this earth
Speaker 3: that anybody else that came upon this land, you know.
Speaker 4: So I think that would be something to look at.
Speaker 3: Is that a real process that you know Congress could
Speaker 3: look at?
Speaker 1: Well? It Actually this is pretty timely because just the
Speaker 1: two days ago there was a task force launched on
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill, the Task Force on the to Classification of
Speaker 1: Federal Secrets, and they're mainly looking into JFK, RFK all
Speaker 1: the up things. But like now is the time when
Speaker 1: if people can call Representative Luna's office House Oversight Chair
Speaker 1: Committee James Comer from Kentucky and be like, hey, we
Speaker 1: need to put Bigfoot in there too, Guys, Big for
Speaker 1: Society will be right back after these messages. Just release
Speaker 1: the documents, you know, if there's anything to release, now
Speaker 1: is the time. This is a time where we could
Speaker 1: get stuff out there.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I and I think that the the representation
Speaker 3: of how that's presented must come.
Speaker 4: From Indigenous people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's.
Speaker 3: Inherent in our in our in our stories and in
Speaker 3: our in our traditions and our culture. And you know,
Speaker 3: you can't ask I mean, you can't do it without
Speaker 3: the Indigenous people. You know, they got to be up forefront.
Speaker 3: And that would be all I asked of that and
Speaker 3: that if that, you know, if that's the direction everybody
Speaker 3: wants to go regarding Bigfoot with Congress.
Speaker 1: That's that's a very interesting point. Yeah, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up. Mmm, it would make sense that that
Speaker 1: was definitely involved, that they were involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've learned so much from my brother from Norman when
Speaker 2: we made the movie. You know, especially I've always kind
Speaker 2: of done prayer on you know, kind of on my own.
Speaker 2: But I saw how important praying before you go out
Speaker 2: and do something on the land, you know, especially if
Speaker 2: we were making a movie, so you know, to honor
Speaker 2: the land, to honor the ancestors, to honor nature, and
Speaker 2: say we're here to help, We're not here to hurt.
Speaker 2: And I think that just grew when that's one of
Speaker 2: the things I do every day out in the Magic Forest.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do Navajo prayer. I do prayer from
Speaker 2: just my heart, you know. I say thank you to
Speaker 2: the universe, the creator. But those are that's something I
Speaker 2: do a couple of times every day at least, because
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for the land. I'm thankful for it. I
Speaker 2: can I can feel it, you know. When we were
Speaker 2: making our movie, I was bringing one of the people
Speaker 2: in the film, Damon Watahmaji, who have a suphie, back
Speaker 2: to the edge of the Grand Canyon so he could
Speaker 2: get back down into the village's supie. We were coming
Speaker 2: back from a film festival, and I've never experienced anything
Speaker 2: like this in my whole life. It's about an hour
Speaker 2: from Route sixty six out to the edge of the canyon,
Speaker 2: and we were driving and we got so quiet. No
Speaker 2: one was drinking, no one was doing anything, and I
Speaker 2: felt like I could hear all the trees. I could
Speaker 2: hear them, and I felt like my jeep was going
Speaker 2: to take off, you know. And I said to Damon,
Speaker 2: I said, man, I can hear the trees. And he
Speaker 2: just turned around and smiled at me, like I've been
Speaker 2: hearing the trees my whole life. You know, I'm glad
Speaker 2: you're finally listening to them. You can finally hear them.
Speaker 2: So Norman says that they communicate the plants and the
Speaker 2: trees and our mother. I mean, I really believe that,
Speaker 2: you know, on my own, my own truth, my own experiences,
Speaker 2: and you know, and and taking an offering. I shared
Speaker 2: with that around that Bigfoot with John. You know, when
Speaker 2: you go out and do an investigation, take apples with you,
Speaker 2: leave apples. You know, he'll respect that. He'll know because
Speaker 2: you've got a good heart, He'll know that.
Speaker 3: And you know, so you have a you have a
Speaker 3: world you have a Western worldview, you have a Western
Speaker 3: scientific worldview. You have a different worldview of what indigenous
Speaker 3: societies have embraced in their culture. I guess what I'm
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is that over the years I've heard
Speaker 3: this phrase woo, right, and if you're if you the
Speaker 3: truth of it is, this whole concept of life and
Speaker 3: this whole idea of the natural world is woo woo.
Speaker 3: I mean that that's there, there's a there's.
Speaker 4: An element there.
Speaker 3: And when you have the Western thought, the Western concept
Speaker 3: of no connection or of idea of what that energy is,
Speaker 3: then fear.
Speaker 4: Comes into it. Misconceptions come into this.
Speaker 3: Historically, if you look at Western society, it's always about
Speaker 3: dominance of resource, dominance of water, of land in some
Speaker 3: words that you might call it greed, you know. And
Speaker 3: and the idea is that when you come from that perspective,
Speaker 3: things that you don't understand, you fear. Hence the movies,
Speaker 3: hence you know, different experiences regarding bigfoots. So I think,
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess. What I'm trying to say is
Speaker 3: that there's a way to communicate, and it doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be like a big ritual or a big ceremony,
Speaker 3: or it's just a really simple understanding that I respect you,
Speaker 3: I respect the slam, and I'm only here to heal
Speaker 3: myself to be a part of this.
Speaker 4: I have a right to this land, you know, and
Speaker 4: it is presented that way, you'll be okay.
Speaker 3: But if you go in there with an attitude, then
Speaker 3: of course you know, there's gonna be consequences. And that's
Speaker 3: why our elders say tread lightly, you know, because there's
Speaker 3: things out there in nature that we don't understand.
Speaker 1: Is that the sorry is that the equivalent of when
Speaker 1: people say, be careful what you wish for?
Speaker 4: Oh? Totally yeah, totally yeah.
Speaker 3: What we're told is that our thoughts and our words
Speaker 3: manifest automatically instantly goes into the universe. That's why Grandma
Speaker 3: always says, hey, szamb be careful what you say, be
Speaker 3: careful what you think, because it manifests itself instantly.
Speaker 4: So that's what balances.
Speaker 3: And if you look at the natural world, they all
Speaker 3: have their own roles. The trees have their roles, the plants,
Speaker 3: the butterflies, the bees, you know, the birds, and but humanity,
Speaker 3: as you know, we've we we failed in our role
Speaker 3: to be a part of this. So I think it's
Speaker 3: how you look at the world. How do you see it?
Speaker 3: Are you a part of it or are you disconnected
Speaker 3: from it? Or how do you connect with it? It's
Speaker 3: real simple. You just go out to where you're going
Speaker 3: and you acknowledge nature for what it is. Some people
Speaker 3: call it. There's that word God, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: God is in every element of the natural world. We
Speaker 3: are God, or we are the Great Spirit, or we
Speaker 3: are that holy light each of us. So from a
Speaker 3: Western perspective, someone will probably never ever get it. But
Speaker 3: if you're raised in that consciousness, then everything becomes clear,
Speaker 3: everything becomes real. And that's been what's been happening, we
Speaker 3: believe native people all across the world is we've lost
Speaker 3: our connection to ourselves through our connection through the natural
Speaker 3: world because that's the real world, you know, That's how
Speaker 3: it was. And I'm not saying that technology can't be a.
Speaker 4: Part of it. Yeah, that world is technology.
Speaker 3: You know, the lasers and you know all the but
Speaker 3: the technology were it as matter itself.
Speaker 4: Physically.
Speaker 3: We've connected that spiritually, energetic, energetically wise, yeah, energetic wise.
Speaker 3: So there is that element that I think people should
Speaker 3: be aware of. And it is real, and it is healium,
Speaker 3: and it is miraculous and it is very very powerful.
Speaker 1: No, it absolutely is. And like you'd mentioned the I wish,
Speaker 1: you know that the community would just stop referring to
Speaker 1: the woo woo stuff and just like go out there
Speaker 1: and like connect with stuff. Again, Man, I don't drink
Speaker 1: or smoke or any of that stuff. And I experienced
Speaker 1: some of the weirdest things I've ever experienced out in Oregon.
Speaker 1: We were out in the woods and there was like
Speaker 1: there's this young woman that goes out there, and when
Speaker 1: she goes out to this area, they start communicating with
Speaker 1: her in fake bird noises, and like I watched them
Speaker 1: go back and forth, and it was the It was incredible.
Speaker 1: I've never experienced anything else like it.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 3: Wow, I think we could do that if we discipline
Speaker 3: ourselves and if we put ourselves in that state we
Speaker 3: were born that way, and or I guess over a
Speaker 3: lifetime we've kind of forgotten about that, that that space,
Speaker 3: that that energetic you know, the unseen energy that premiates
Speaker 3: itself all over the world in its special form. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I believe that we can each do that.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we have time to
Speaker 1: go over the films that you have made, how people
Speaker 1: can can check those out in the documentaries that you've
Speaker 1: been part of. If that's possible.
Speaker 2: Oh, sure, I'll let Norman go first, because he was
Speaker 2: the town, I'll put poison win.
Speaker 3: I've been a filmmaker since late in eighty nine, and
Speaker 3: all my short films have been in the Navel language.
Speaker 4: Back in the.
Speaker 3: Nineties early nineties, both of my films were the first
Speaker 3: Indigenous language films ever at the Sundance Film Festival.
Speaker 4: One was called Awakening and the other one was called
Speaker 4: a Horse Song.
Speaker 3: And over the years, I've dedicated my life to utilizing
Speaker 3: the you know, the camera to create stories that reflect
Speaker 3: our history, that reflect the values of our people. In
Speaker 3: terms of creative films that help our people understand, you know,
Speaker 3: the natural world and the importance of our culture. I've
Speaker 3: also worked with the Novel Nation developing a Novel language
Speaker 3: drama festival. And I'm also an actor. I'm really blessed
Speaker 3: to have a really great agent, so I've auditions and
Speaker 3: I've done some substantial roles, some supportive roles, and some
Speaker 3: major films which I'm proud of. But the thing i
Speaker 3: want to share is that once we share stories, it
Speaker 3: can teach and it can heal, and I think that's
Speaker 3: the value of storytellers. We need more storytellers, and we
Speaker 3: need these stories to present themselves how humanity is what humanity.
Speaker 4: We're at who we were before, who we are now,
Speaker 4: and what we can become.
Speaker 3: I think that's really critical in terms of our stories.
Speaker 3: There's a lot I call them trash movies, you know,
Speaker 3: in Hollywood, but then there are some really good, good,
Speaker 3: good films. And I just encourage everyone, as myself, as
Speaker 3: a screenwriter and as a storyteller, is that we promote
Speaker 3: the goodness of humanity that our elders call us good
Speaker 3: lash light, I mean, five fingered being. And it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter we're from Africa, South America, Russia, China, Asia, you know,
Speaker 3: we're all five fingered people and we all, you know,
Speaker 3: are living this experience. And I think once we understand
Speaker 3: each other's experience. I know it's like a cliche, but
Speaker 3: I think that's really important that as writers, directors, actors, poets,
Speaker 3: you know, storytellers, that we continue to reflect on the
Speaker 3: richnesses of who we are as humanity and how we're
Speaker 3: intertwined with each other and how we need to help
Speaker 3: each other, especially during these times right now. We do
Speaker 3: have the ability to make this world a better place.
Speaker 3: And I'll just share one last thing as we all
Speaker 3: got together as a indigenous activists, all across now that
Speaker 3: we came together and we had a big old at
Speaker 3: ancient ceremony, and there were some medicine people there, and
Speaker 3: a lot of these medicine people indigenous societies all over
Speaker 3: the world. You know, they have this direct link with
Speaker 3: the with the unknown or unseen, you know, and they
Speaker 3: divine information. Some might call them psychics, some might call
Speaker 3: them truth seers, these medicine people. During our prayer, and
Speaker 3: other says, I was just told that, you know, we're
Speaker 3: in a really horrific place in humanity tea and one
Speaker 3: of the one of the young women, says, hey, grandpa,
Speaker 3: what do we do? Is there a ceremony? Is there
Speaker 3: a prayers? You know, how can we fix this? The
Speaker 3: world is going crazy, you know, the tsunomies and the
Speaker 3: earthquakes and the fires.
Speaker 4: And then the.
Speaker 3: Medicine man sits there for a while he goes, well,
Speaker 3: this is what I'm told. It's too late. There's no ceremony.
Speaker 3: There's nothing that's going to stop where we're going and
Speaker 3: where we're going now, what I'm told is that it's
Speaker 3: going to be a purification and no matter what we do,
Speaker 3: there's nothing we can do to stop this turmoil on Earth.
Speaker 4: Then he says, but there's one thing.
Speaker 3: That it's not up to the gods or to the
Speaker 3: holy people. It's up to humanity. Is that what our
Speaker 3: I was just told was that in order for us
Speaker 3: to fix where we're at, the sauy state of humanity,
Speaker 3: the wars and the pestilence and starvation, you know, the
Speaker 3: raping of Mother Earth, the lands, the resources, the water,
Speaker 3: the pollution. He said, what I was just told, he said,
Speaker 3: was that humanity must come together consciously, and that's the
Speaker 3: only way that we can change this. And that's just
Speaker 3: a message to your viewers, to the world, is that
Speaker 3: we do have the ability.
Speaker 4: But can we do that?
Speaker 3: You know, can we unite the whole world and one
Speaker 3: consciousness to create this change that.
Speaker 4: Is needed.
Speaker 2: I used to have a day dream when we were
Speaker 2: making the movie because the Grand Canyon played such a
Speaker 2: significant role in the film, and there's I had no idea,
Speaker 2: even though I was living in Arizona for a long
Speaker 2: time that Uranian mining was going on in the Grand Canyon,
Speaker 2: and it was in the Colorado River, and people not
Speaker 2: only in the village to Soupy, but you know, the
Speaker 2: Colorado goes all the way to California, so you know,
Speaker 2: crops things get watered with it. And so anyway, I
Speaker 2: used to have this day dream where people would come
Speaker 2: from all over the world and there'd be so many
Speaker 2: people that they could hold hands around the top of
Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon in a act to save it because
Speaker 2: so many people come there and love it. You know.
Speaker 2: Every time I've been to the Grand Canyon and there
Speaker 2: people from all over the world there, and I thought,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't it be great if we could just get
Speaker 2: thousands of people all there camping out at the same
Speaker 2: time and all joined hands to protect her. So that
Speaker 2: was kind of you know, it needs to be a
Speaker 2: show of humanity like that on that par I think.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we made Poison Wind, which was about uranium
Speaker 2: mining on the indigenous lens of the Southwest. I was
Speaker 2: down in the Grand Canyon with my husband for his birthday,
Speaker 2: and I felt like I was standing in the middle
Speaker 2: of a beautiful circle. I'd never felt that before, and
Speaker 2: I looked down at my feet and when I looked up,
Speaker 2: there was a man from the tribe and he asked me.
Speaker 2: He said what do you do? And I said, you
Speaker 2: mean for a living? He said yes, I said, well,
Speaker 2: if I'm lucky. I've worked in film and TV, and
Speaker 2: he said, do you know they're uranium mining here? And
Speaker 2: I just we took the helicopter out and I started
Speaker 2: calling people and people I knew knew Norman and it
Speaker 2: was just this domino effect, this chain reaction, and people
Speaker 2: wanted to get music for free. We had a college,
Speaker 2: the University of Advancing Technology, gave us all the editing
Speaker 2: boos for free. And you know it just so poison
Speaker 2: Win was financed by my husband, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: we never charged for it, and it's free on YouTube,
Speaker 2: and you know it just And what's interesting too is
Speaker 2: I had been in a film. I had been at
Speaker 2: the film festival years before with Norman and some of
Speaker 2: the people who were later involved in my film, and
Speaker 2: didn't meet them at the film festival. It was in
Speaker 2: Scottsdale that all these people I kept meeting Tom Goldtooth
Speaker 2: had you know, all these people I'd actually been made
Speaker 2: aware of years ago, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: I was meeting them and it ended up being a
Speaker 2: wonderful journey. I mean, were very grateful to have done
Speaker 2: that together.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I'm going to have definite links to that,
Speaker 1: which so people can check that out on YouTube. It
Speaker 1: sounds like just like a very educational film that people
Speaker 1: need to be aware.
Speaker 2: We were chased twice by helicopters. And then remember when
Speaker 2: we were filming over in Grants and those federal marshals.
Speaker 2: We were doing a Mani Pino from Athema Pueblo, and
Speaker 2: these Federal marshals came out of nowhere and jumped out
Speaker 2: of their trucks with badges and guns and wanted to
Speaker 2: know what the heck we were doing. And were right
Speaker 2: at the base of Mount Taylor, which is one of
Speaker 2: the four sacred Mountains of Navajo Nation, and I at
Speaker 2: the base of uranium mine there, and you know, and
Speaker 2: it ended up it got diffused, But for a minute
Speaker 2: there it was a little scary. You put on your
Speaker 2: war bonnet.
Speaker 1: Wow, oh man. Yeah, we got to check that out
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. We went over twenty film festivals
Speaker 2: around the world and we won two awards in Europe,
Speaker 2: in Wales and in England for Poison Wind.
Speaker 4: I also like to.
Speaker 3: Say thank you because I think it's really important that.
Speaker 4: This being.
Speaker 3: That we're talking about is really reflective of our times
Speaker 3: and what do I mean by that, Well, if you
Speaker 3: look at where we are as humanity and how we've
Speaker 3: impacted the weather all over the world, and I think
Speaker 3: you can't separate Sasquatch and bigfoot from that issue. They're
Speaker 3: an example of how they continue their process and their
Speaker 3: role in the natural world. As I've said earlier, you know,
Speaker 3: we're told that they're herbalists. Their master herbalists help other animals,
Speaker 3: They help heal the land.
Speaker 4: You know, they they're there.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it, but trying to
Speaker 3: translated from a navel language perspective into English, it's it's
Speaker 3: kind of like two different things. But I guess what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say is that they represent the natural
Speaker 3: order of things. They represent the natural, the natural world,
Speaker 3: and the natural laws because of their essence of.
Speaker 4: Who they are.
Speaker 3: You know, like I said before, Western ideas, Western concepts
Speaker 3: of science, it, Western education removes ourselves from that natural
Speaker 3: element that we all possess in communicating with nature and
Speaker 3: the natural world. So to me, that would be my
Speaker 3: message is that we've got to be more conscious, we've
Speaker 3: got to be more active preserving the lands and preserving
Speaker 3: the goodness of who we are. And translating that goodness
Speaker 3: into good words and actions for each other because we're
Speaker 3: in a we're not in a good place. You know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of hate and anger everywhere.
Speaker 3: And as I was saying, he's a messenger. He's telling us, look,
Speaker 3: you guys need to fix this because if you don't,
Speaker 3: you're to be gone. But I'll still be here. The
Speaker 3: land will still be here, you know. So that's what
Speaker 3: I'd like to share from all the stories, the knowledge
Speaker 3: I've gained regarding this, this being this person, and you're
Speaker 3: right about the herbalist, because that's what the charcoal was
Speaker 3: he was leaving me.
Speaker 2: So today I'm going to go get some charcoal. Right,
Speaker 2: I've been having you know, I'm doing really well, but
Speaker 2: you know, once in a while, I have stomach issues.
Speaker 2: He knew that, that's why he left charcoal. I just
Speaker 2: realized that. Oh wow, yeah, I just realized that. Okay,
Speaker 2: So yeah, off to wall. Yeah, there is a.
Speaker 4: Connection there.
Speaker 3: There is an element there and unseeing energy that people
Speaker 3: will already care, people will laugh laugh about people that
Speaker 3: do not understand until they understand, and they'll be able to
Speaker 3: communicate with this being.
Speaker 1: Absolutely m Jenny Norman. It has been just a privilege
Speaker 1: to have you both on the show today. Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on and for sharing what you've learned over
Speaker 1: the years and what you've experienced. It's greatly appreciated.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jeremia. We really appreciate it, appreciate being on
Speaker 2: with you today and anytime, and we're just really I'm
Speaker 2: really thrilled that Norman was here today so he could
Speaker 2: be here as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really thankful of your work. I know you're
Speaker 3: coming from a good place and I know that you
Speaker 3: mean well and that by doing this, you're educating You're
Speaker 3: you're educating us and you're teaching us, and that's what
Speaker 3: we're all supposed to do with each other, help each other,
Speaker 3: and your podcast is representative of that. I checked out
Speaker 3: your different subject matter and your so I did a
Speaker 3: little bit of research that I thought, wow, this is cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd like I'd be honored to be on the Bigfoot
Speaker 3: Society podcast.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. Well, we will keep in touch, guys, and thank
Speaker 1: you again to both of you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dear Maya, Okay, thank you Jermdel, Thank you guys.
Speaker 5: Bye.
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