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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>the show, all right. Bigfoot Society got the privilege of

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Jenny and Norman, documentary filmmakers out of the

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<v Speaker 1>great state of New Mexico. How's it going, guys, Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jeremiah, thank you, it's awesome. It's a great day,

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<v Speaker 2>oh it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a beautiful day out, and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>great to have both of you on today. Jenny is

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<v Speaker 1>also a news photographer for the Gallop Sun down there,

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to point that, and they might point

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<v Speaker 1>out some other things as well. But Jenny and Norman

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<v Speaker 1>have been having some interesting things happen over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>and they reached out to to be able to share

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<v Speaker 1>what they've experienced. So guys, welcome to the show. Feel

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<v Speaker 1>free to if there's anything else you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>share about yourselves, and if not, I'll let you get

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<v Speaker 1>right into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, you're right. We live in the great state

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<v Speaker 2>of New Mexico. It's beautiful. I live near Rama, New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a Mormon pioneer town that was found in

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteen hundreds. And I also live about six miles

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<v Speaker 2>away from Pine Hill, New Mexico, which is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rema Navajo res and I lived pretty much off

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<v Speaker 2>the grid, and I think we bought the house and

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<v Speaker 2>the land about ten years excuse me, sixteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first time we spend any time there, my

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<v Speaker 2>husband and I, it was on New Year's Eve and

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<v Speaker 2>we were snowed in. I mean it was a blizzard,

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<v Speaker 2>and my husband had gone to bed early and I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching TV out in the living room and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, something violently shook the house, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>shook it. It wasn't an earthquake. Or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It only came from one end of the house. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's interesting, Jeremiah is to me is that

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a switch went off. I mean I knew,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it was him, And I wasn't a believer

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<v Speaker 2>before that. I've always kind of had paranormal experiences throughout

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<v Speaker 2>my life since I was a child, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>not into Fastquatch or as the big fella as I

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<v Speaker 2>call him. And I went outside for a minute on

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<v Speaker 2>the porch and it was snowing like crazy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>could hear deep crunches coming in the snow, like huge footsteps,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just knew that's what it was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like something goes off in you and you just

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<v Speaker 2>know it. So that was the first incident, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would come up in the summers because we had a

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<v Speaker 2>place in Arizona. It was just too hot in the

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<v Speaker 2>summer and when to get out of the heat. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's how we ended up where we were where I

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<v Speaker 2>am now full time. And then there was a there

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<v Speaker 2>was a footprint I found on my path I made

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<v Speaker 2>like a hiking path, you know, around the ten acres,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I could see if there were any

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<v Speaker 2>snakes in front of me. I'm irish and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>happy about snakes. So anyway, I found the print and

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<v Speaker 2>it was about sixteen inches from heel to toe, and

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<v Speaker 2>I preserved it, and I wasn't scared or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just knew something was going on, obviously, and

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<v Speaker 2>previously before that, when we the first summer I was

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<v Speaker 2>up there, I wanted to get pictures on a trail

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<v Speaker 2>cam of elk, because there are a lot of elk around,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I put it in this place that I

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<v Speaker 2>call the Magic Forest, which is right next to the house,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has a lot of rocky mountain junipers and

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<v Speaker 2>pinon trees which are sacred. You know, you shouldn't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything to them unless you have a medicine man or

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to be there if they need to be cut

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<v Speaker 2>for any reason. So I put the trail cam in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the magic forest and there were three

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<v Speaker 2>pictures the next morning, and the thing was a trail

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<v Speaker 2>cam had been moved three times, but was in the

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<v Speaker 2>same spot I had left it when I got up

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning and got it, and there were literally

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of orbs, I mean, just tons of orbs. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know the land where I am used to be

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<v Speaker 2>on a saz and so you know, they're people that

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<v Speaker 2>lived there, who lived right, you know, on my land,

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<v Speaker 2>and had children, died there and you know, and went

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<v Speaker 2>to the other side. So I knew there was something

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<v Speaker 2>really magical going on there. And then there were other incidents.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a couple of rock throwing incidents. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was out walking because I'd spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 2>outside it still do because you know, seventy five degrees

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<v Speaker 2>compared to one fifteen down in Arizona. So anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>had some things happen, knocks, rocks thrown, and what I

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<v Speaker 2>call freezing when I'd be out walking and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I'd freeze. I couldn't move, I couldn't move,

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember telling BFRO about that, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>they told me. Somebody told me that lions and tigers

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<v Speaker 2>and things put off a pheromone like something that they

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of freeze their prey.

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<v Speaker 1>That is probably referring to a thing called infrasound. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of bigger predators will use that, and it's thought

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<v Speaker 1>that bigfoot can do that as well, to freeze their

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<v Speaker 1>prey or to get something to stop moving. I've experienced

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<v Speaker 1>that as well, so go right, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>That happened three times, and the third time was when

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<v Speaker 2>I decided I had to call bfro It was like

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<v Speaker 2>somebody took a rock concerts speakers and put them outside

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<v Speaker 2>my laughted, a howl, a scream. Then I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods, up in the roundext so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up with sounds, but this was something else.

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<v Speaker 2>And I sat right up in bed around five am

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<v Speaker 2>and just froze. And I had five dogs in and

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<v Speaker 2>they froze too. We all froze. So I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to find out what I needed to do to respect him,

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<v Speaker 2>to let him know that I wasn't there to hurt

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<v Speaker 2>him or anything like that. And so they when they

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<v Speaker 2>came out, they suggested leaving apples and things for him.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been doing that and when I started doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship changed a lot. It became was good communication.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, as I say so, I'll let Norman speak

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<v Speaker 2>now too, because he's had experiences since his childhood up

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<v Speaker 2>in many many farms chin Lee area, and maybe you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to talk to that. Norman.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks for your podcast and educating people. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's really important. It's really critical that you have a

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<v Speaker 3>podcast that's focusing on a being, a person that that

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<v Speaker 3>has a heart, that has a mind that you know

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<v Speaker 3>is can communicate, and it's not an animal, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a person. And from a novel perspective

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<v Speaker 3>from the stories and knowledge I've gleaned from stories and

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<v Speaker 3>listening to elders, from a novel perspective, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's really deep in terms of how we view this

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<v Speaker 3>person or persons and they are an entity. And from

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<v Speaker 3>what we've experienced as well as other Native tribes across

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<v Speaker 3>North America indigenous tribes, is that they represent the spirit

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<v Speaker 3>of nature. You might as you might call them a

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<v Speaker 3>child of Mother Earth. From what I've heard is that

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<v Speaker 3>their massive herbless I was told that they're sort of

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<v Speaker 3>like a healer in that natural world. And there's things

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<v Speaker 3>that we everyday people do not really understand. But those

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<v Speaker 3>that have those spiritual gifts have a process of understanding

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<v Speaker 3>how they are, what they are, and who they are

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<v Speaker 3>because they've been around as long as we have Indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>tribes and we have stories about them. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to really go into specifics about those stories because

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<v Speaker 3>those are our oral history. Some of those stories belong

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<v Speaker 3>to families and communities. What I can just share is

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<v Speaker 3>just the basic idea of who he is. He has

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<v Speaker 3>many names. I think what's really important is that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been watching listening to podcasts for past ten maybe twelve years,

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen years, and I've noticed that the view the various

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<v Speaker 3>podcasts read these stories or experiences have kind of been multiplied.

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<v Speaker 3>What I mean by that is there's more visual examples

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<v Speaker 3>and representations of, you know, his presence. And I believe

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of our Indigenous people believe that it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to continue even more. And I was told by a

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<v Speaker 3>grandmother that there are messengers and the more they're viewed,

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<v Speaker 3>the more they're seeing is they're trying to tell us

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<v Speaker 3>something in their own way. And how we interpret that

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<v Speaker 3>is through our understanding, through our prayers, and through our ceremonies,

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<v Speaker 3>in our songs and our offerings, and from that process

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<v Speaker 3>there is a connection that we have. It's an innate

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<v Speaker 3>process that we've been taught since we were young as

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<v Speaker 3>Native people, and one is being aware of your environment,

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<v Speaker 3>understanding what the environment is, the elements being in harmony

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<v Speaker 3>in balance with these elements. And the more you educate

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<v Speaker 3>yourself and the more you're in that learned process of

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<v Speaker 3>learning the spiritual reality of our relationship to Mother Earth

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<v Speaker 3>and the natural world, we become much clearer and of

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<v Speaker 3>understanding how we're all in this together. And that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>what it's really about.

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<v Speaker 2>It.

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<v Speaker 3>It's finding balance not only with ourselves, but the natural world.

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<v Speaker 3>And sasquatch or a bigfoot or whatever that name they

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<v Speaker 3>have is a part of that, and we can't separate

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves from them vice versa. We're in all this together,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's it's it's an example of the trying

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<v Speaker 3>times we're going through. There's a lot of turmoil all

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<v Speaker 3>over the world. There's natural disasters. People might call it

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<v Speaker 3>timate change or you know, but the weather as we

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<v Speaker 3>all see it today is at its extreme as well

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<v Speaker 3>as the idea of greed, and you know, all the

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<v Speaker 3>negativity of society is really expanding and exploding into our

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<v Speaker 3>daily lives where you know, it's affecting our way of

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<v Speaker 3>life as indigenous people. But I might also add that

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<v Speaker 3>all humans are born with that gift of understanding that

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<v Speaker 3>the innate spirituality that we all have and I think

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<v Speaker 3>if we look I believe if we look at Sasquatch

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<v Speaker 3>or Bigfoot from that perspective, I think we'll gain a

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<v Speaker 3>much more grateful understanding of who that person is and

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<v Speaker 3>what their role is.

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<v Speaker 1>Norman, do you think some of that becomes unlocked as

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<v Speaker 1>we have certain contact with things, or it is it's

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<v Speaker 1>present from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's a couple of things. One is they know

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<v Speaker 4>who we are, just like us, my navel people.

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<v Speaker 3>We have oral history that goes back centuries and those

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<v Speaker 3>stories never change. And we're told that when you have

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<v Speaker 3>a story is given to you, it must not change,

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<v Speaker 3>and that if you modify that story, it loses its

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<v Speaker 3>power in terms of its message and its healing properties.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sure they have their own oral history, they

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<v Speaker 3>have their own language from what I understand that, they

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<v Speaker 3>have their own chants and songs and how they deal

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<v Speaker 3>with the supernatural elements that is present in the natural world,

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<v Speaker 3>just like Grandma, just like Grandpa. You know, they know

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<v Speaker 3>that that connection.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that the value of.

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<v Speaker 3>Understanding ourselves is really critical because we went to those

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<v Speaker 4>They already know who you are. They already know what

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<v Speaker 3>And that was really a great, great thing to hear,

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<v Speaker 3>because these elders have grow grow growing up in the forest.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they've they've dealt with them and many.

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<v Speaker 3>Aspects, and there's places on now that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>elders won't speak of them, you know, they won't share

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<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, then some elders are willing to share that.

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<v Speaker 3>But getting back to your question, I think what's really

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<v Speaker 3>the same for ourselves. There in a way, they're a reflection.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying to remind us, you know, the natural order

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<v Speaker 3>of things that we are just a part of all this.

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<v Speaker 3>That we do not own the land, We do not

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<v Speaker 3>own the resources. Neither do they and it's it's really

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<v Speaker 3>alarming because their area of land and where they live

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<v Speaker 3>for centuries is being encroached upon and they really have

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere to go. I mean, that's all they all they

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<v Speaker 3>know is that area. Then they have to migrate, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they meet other families, other tribes, and so there's

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<v Speaker 3>this constant interaction that we are not aware of, this

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<v Speaker 3>constant interaction with the natural elements that some of us

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<v Speaker 4>There they're in a level.

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<v Speaker 3>That is beyond the common quote unquote common person.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you saying that sometimes they will maybe try

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<v Speaker 1>to affect people, to get them to perhaps stand up

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<v Speaker 1>for environmental areas that are under attack that could be

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<v Speaker 3>I think from my understanding, from like I said, the

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<v Speaker 3>stories and research that I've done on my own and

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<v Speaker 3>talking with other tribes.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not there to tell us what to do. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like us telling them that what how to live their life.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's incumbent upon each of us to try and

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<v Speaker 3>grasp that that that sacredness of who they are. Because

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<v Speaker 3>they do appear year out of nowhere, they do fade

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<v Speaker 3>into the landscape. Numerous stories where they follow the tracks

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<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden those tracks stop, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so where do they go? So that's what I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that there's another component to this and it's that that

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<v Speaker 3>that unseen that that people might call them realms or

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<v Speaker 3>they mentioned or you know, it's another place on this

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<v Speaker 3>that's where they're at on that level.

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<v Speaker 4>Then on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Human level, it seems like they're pretty gentle with us.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they have a lot of patience. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot we can learn from them.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think.

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<v Speaker 3>What's really difficult is they've seen us progress as a people.

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<v Speaker 2>To where are in action, where our.

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<v Speaker 3>Relationship with the natural world has impacted them through mining,

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<v Speaker 3>through different you know, how do I say, like, how

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<v Speaker 3>how do you how do you destroy their lands, their

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<v Speaker 3>water system, their their their hunting lifestyle, their plant lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how technology and greed for resources. You know

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<v Speaker 3>how it's impacted their lives. And it's a really to

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of data. People say it's a really critical,

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<v Speaker 3>serious issue because what befalls them is you know, befalls

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<v Speaker 3>us or vice versa. So we can't separate ourselves from them.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just from the stories I've heard and from

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<v Speaker 3>the understanding that I have as a as a nave

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<v Speaker 1>And so what something you said brings up an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thought as well in this question could be for either

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<v Speaker 1>of you for for sure. So in my let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>in my realm of you know, people talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>weird things. There are certain areas of the US where

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<v Speaker 1>it's thought that they could be called window areas or

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<v Speaker 1>there's more things that are coming through. Is is that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what you're are there certain areas than that

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<v Speaker 1>that they could be able to come through. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you you know what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I do.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something I strongly believe through all these years.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like Sedona, the Bradshaw Ranch, the area

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<v Speaker 2>where I live out by Pine Hill is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can feel the sacredness the spirituality from the land there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that my area that I called the

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<v Speaker 2>Magic Forest, well just tell you, Oh, I've seen him twice,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the first time I've mentioned the second

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<v Speaker 2>time out loud, other than to my brother here. The

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<v Speaker 2>first time was about eight years ago. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of rain and it was beautiful. I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>looked like Ireland, that really did. And I came home

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<v Speaker 2>one day around three o'clock in the afternoon and it

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<v Speaker 2>was raining and it was just sprinkling. It was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>And I looked up straight up the land and there

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<v Speaker 2>he was, and he had his arms out and he

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<v Speaker 2>was covered in white fur and he had his arms

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<v Speaker 2>out and he was looking up at the rain and

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<v Speaker 2>he was loving it. And I'm pretty sure he knew

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<v Speaker 2>I was there and I knew he was there. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he laid down after about a minute or so,

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<v Speaker 2>in the grass and then he just like a wave,

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<v Speaker 2>he just kind of just peered into the forest the

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<v Speaker 2>edge of the trees there. I mean, it was astounding.

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<v Speaker 2>And then recently a couple of I have a gifting

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<v Speaker 2>area in the Magic Forest where I leave his apple

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<v Speaker 2>and oatmeal, cookies and things. And I went out to

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<v Speaker 2>check and see if the apple was gone, which I

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<v Speaker 2>usually do, is just part of my routine, and I

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<v Speaker 2>pray out there and I looked up and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a young one. I saw a young one, eleven o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, standing behind a tree, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>was just he peeked at me and then he was

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<v Speaker 2>just gone in a flash. I mean, it was so

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<v Speaker 2>My experiences have been primarily very positive experiences, and when

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<v Speaker 2>I feel grateful and blessed to have. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he does like little things, like he somewhere got the

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<v Speaker 2>side of a bark box that says bark and left

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<v Speaker 2>it about twenty feet away from where my dogs are,

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<v Speaker 2>like she was communicating and I know they bark, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, and gives a stone the math drawing

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<v Speaker 2>another drawing of an arrow kind of I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to point me in a certain direction, maybe to

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<v Speaker 2>come visit. I don't know. But when something happened the

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<v Speaker 2>other day, there was a piece of charcoal, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in a little white piece of paper, left in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the magic forest where you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>left me things before. So I always say thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm always very grateful. But I do believe that

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<v Speaker 2>there are windows like portals, yes, and I've heard stories

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<v Speaker 2>of them out there, but I'm not quite sure where.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I would respect leaving that area very sacred,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the idea of your question is all of North

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<v Speaker 3>America is a portal. That's how a relationship has been

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<v Speaker 3>over the centuries of ancient dances offering ceremonies. So there

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<v Speaker 3>are all over North America, and they do evolve through

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<v Speaker 3>some of those areas. It's hard to kind of explain,

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<v Speaker 3>but real briefly, i'll share with you.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was a little boy, I probably about nine

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be sixty five in March, so this was in

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<v Speaker 3>the early sixties, and I had a dream of this

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<v Speaker 3>this this being. It had long hair and it had eyes,

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<v Speaker 3>and I saw his mouth and it was almost like

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<v Speaker 3>a nightmare, and he was looking right at me. She

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<v Speaker 3>or he was looking at that that that bean was

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<v Speaker 3>looking at me, and in my dream I was looking

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<v Speaker 3>at me. Were looking at each other, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what it was in my dream. And I woke up,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, really, and my heart was racing, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was like a nightmare. And I didn't really tell anybody,

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<v Speaker 3>but later on I told my mom what I dreamed about,

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<v Speaker 3>and she just said, so, we'll just do a little

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<v Speaker 3>prayer here for your dream, because that's what we do,

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<v Speaker 3>we that negative ativity of dreams.

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<v Speaker 4>We destroy it unless it's good.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, then a couple of years later, they had

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<v Speaker 3>that movie the what was that called a Story of

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<v Speaker 3>Boggy Creek, and I saw that and I said, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I dreamed about. And that's when I realized that

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<v Speaker 3>it was something special. Then in my teen years, I

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<v Speaker 3>had another dream. My twenties, I had another dream, my

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<v Speaker 3>thirties and forties. Those four decades, I had four dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's my my connection. And we were at the

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<v Speaker 3>night before at we're at one of my sister's house

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<v Speaker 3>and we me and my younger brother were drinking tea

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<v Speaker 3>outside by fire. We're smoking our Indian tobacco and just

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<v Speaker 3>talking about things, and you know, we retired in the

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<v Speaker 3>next morning, I went out with my coffee to that

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<v Speaker 3>fire and on top of the rock, I was left

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<v Speaker 3>the gift and it was it was a rock and

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't there the night before, and.

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<v Speaker 4>That gift that I still carry with me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I showed it to traditional practitioners, I guess you

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<v Speaker 3>might call the medicine people, and they told me that

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<v Speaker 3>it was a gift and that you know, at some

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<v Speaker 3>point that I might someday probably meet one or speak

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<v Speaker 3>with them, or you know, meet them. And I know

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<v Speaker 3>where they live up in the mountains here. I just

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<v Speaker 3>know because I know where to go, and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>time for me to go up there. But there is

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<v Speaker 3>a connection, a deep spiritual connection that we've had with it.

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<v Speaker 4>For centuries.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what else is interesting I think too, Jeremiah,

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<v Speaker 2>is when I first moved to when we first bought

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<v Speaker 2>the land out there by Pine Hill, and rama that

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<v Speaker 2>when things first started happening, I'd go, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>to the store or the trading post and just make

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<v Speaker 2>a joke, say hey, you know, you ever watched that

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<v Speaker 2>Finding Bigfoot show? And people would just start opening up.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was incredible. I'd say about eighty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the people I've met over these areas are small.

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<v Speaker 2>Raymond's about four hundred people Pine Hill, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>how many, or maybe a thousand of the most, So

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<v Speaker 2>they're not big areas. But I realized that the sightings

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<v Speaker 2>were across the whole spectrum too. It was Mormons, it

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<v Speaker 2>was Navajo, it was military that live out there, ex

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<v Speaker 2>military one was it general? Wasn't she or something? We

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<v Speaker 2>saw her when doctor Melverum came out. So that the

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<v Speaker 2>experiences or events as I like to call them, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>really ran the gamut of just you know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>really no just one group. And so I realized that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is all these people are not hallucinating.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're seeing something real, and you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's and also when I started the Facebook group, I

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted it to be for people who had PTSD.

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00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 2>I call it bigfoot PTSD, you know, who didn't have

424
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>a good experience. I mean that were scared and traumatized.

425
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And I know some very conservative Mormon women who are elders,

426
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 2>and man, they can hardly even just they can't even

427
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>really talk about it, so upsetting. So I know that

428
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>different people have different different stories, different truths, truths, and

429
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.039
<v Speaker 2>I think that I just wanted to provide a place

430
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 2>where people would be protected and safe, they could learn more,

431
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>they could speak if they wanted to. And you know,

432
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.839
<v Speaker 2>so my group and our group ends up being a

433
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:29.640
<v Speaker 2>little bit quieter because the people often don't want to

434
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 2>mention him because of it's like calling him out right.

435
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like if if you mention him, it can make

436
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>him appear right. Isn't that true? Norman? Yeah, yeah, So

437
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm very respectful of that, and I want to protect

438
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the group as much as I want to protect the land,

439
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 2>you know. So, but it was really interesting to have

440
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 2>so many people say, you know, what happened to me?

441
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it's because where I grew

442
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>up in the ad around AX. You know, it's always

443
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:06.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of an environmental as Stephen as a young kid,

444
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>like you know, stinging ray bicycles with my best friends.

445
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>We were always trying to stop people from hurting trees

446
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.880
<v Speaker 2>out in the at around X and you know. And

447
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>so I think I've always been environmentally attached to the earth,

448
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's grown over the years and anyway,

449
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 2>so that might be one reason why he decided to

450
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:32.599
<v Speaker 2>communicate with me.

451
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Now, Jenny, when you talk to these people that have

452
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 1>also had sightings or encounters, are they describing what they

453
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>have seen similar to what you've experienced as well?

454
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>No, some people it's it's at night. And one lady

455
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>almost ran into him in downtown rama, which is there's

456
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 2>not even a street fight.

457
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages, okay.

458
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons I love it. And he came

459
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere and just banged on the hood of

460
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.880
<v Speaker 2>her car and stood right there like and you know,

461
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 2>so and so those are some of the things that

462
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I've heard. I talked to an ole man. He was

463
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 2>an elder, and he told me that, you know, in

464
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 2>their house, he would come stand by the window in

465
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 2>their house and look at them, he and his brothers

466
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 2>in their bedroom and you know, so they always knew

467
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 2>he was there. And but mine have been I mean,

468
00:31:54.880 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 2>nobody's really shared anything around me that is like mine

469
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 2>where I've really worked on that communication factor, and you know,

470
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>it's been a blessing, really has been. And he does

471
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>hear us. I know that because I collect pez and

472
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 2>he left me a pez head is a gift. It's

473
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 2>an old Pez too, of all the bear from Chuck E.

474
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Cheese's I can't think of the name. He left it

475
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>for me. And I knew that he could. You know

476
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 2>that I collect Pez. I knew he knew that. And

477
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's been very interesting and you know, I

478
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 2>look forward to further communication with him. Now.

479
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.559
<v Speaker 1>The communication that you have, how does that usually take place.

480
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 2>At night? At night? He will come at night and

481
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:59.039
<v Speaker 2>he'll leave something at night and it's there in the morning,

482
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.319
<v Speaker 2>and I just it's like that switch again, you know.

483
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:05.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have no neighbors. You know, I'm in

484
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the middle of ten acres and we it's very off

485
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 2>the grid area, and you know, so I know somebody's

486
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>not going, they're going and there it's happening in the

487
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>magic for us too, where all those pinon trees are,

488
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 2>that's where a lot of this happens. So there might

489
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 2>be a portal or a window there, because I have

490
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 2>found sometimes only one print in there, and they're smaller,

491
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>so I've thought maybe there's a nursery. Younger ones are

492
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>coming through there, you know, smaller ones when they when

493
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 2>they manifest. But it's you know, it's really interesting, and

494
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I share everything with Norman right away. I call him

495
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and tell them if anything new has occurred.

496
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, I wanted to talk to you for a

497
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 1>minute about your freezing episodes. How long did those last

498
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 1>for when it occurred?

499
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a really good question. I think it

500
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 2>only seemed like it only seemed like a couple of minutes.

501
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 2>But the time with the howl outside the house that

502
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought went on for about five minutes. And the

503
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>one or the ones I had when I was out

504
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 2>hiking walking my land, those seemed shorter. But I wonder

505
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>if I lost any time. I hadn't really thought about that.

506
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 1>I've I've experienced one of those in the woods in Oregon.

507
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>This last it was in July, and it was about

508
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 1>five minutes long. I couldn't move out of my chair.

509
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It was it was very very strange. It's you just feel,

510
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.639
<v Speaker 1>you feel powerless. You're completely aware of what's going on,

511
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>but yes you ca and even tell anyone, hey, I

512
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>can't move.

513
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 2>It's like sleep paralysis.

514
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 5>But you are, you're walking or yeah, right, because I

515
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.440
<v Speaker 5>had sleep paralysis the first couple of years when i'd

516
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 5>stay at the land in the summer and you know,

517
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 5>and that's.

518
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>The exact feeling. It's it's like you're powerless and you

519
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>can't move even though you want to, you can't. It's

520
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. Wow, five minutes. Yeah, that's kind of when

521
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I think the one in the house when the when

522
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.960
<v Speaker 2>the screen happened was about five minutes. And for the

523
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>dogs too, I mean we kind of all came out

524
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>of it together.

525
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.559
<v Speaker 1>So that the dogs couldn't move either.

526
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 2>No, they were frozen. They sleep with me, so they

527
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 2>were all right there. They all woke up, they heard it.

528
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>They didn't bark, they just all froze. You know. It's

529
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 2>really interesting.

530
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Is that Is that something that's commonly reported in your

531
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>area guys, where you know, people will all of a

532
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 1>sudden not be able to move.

533
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:08.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

534
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 4>I'd have to ask from that gathering I went to.

535
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.960
<v Speaker 3>No one spoke of that, and there was numerous people

536
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.320
<v Speaker 3>that shared from different parts of Navo that came to

537
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.840
<v Speaker 3>this gathering at the base of the Lakatric guy Shaska Mountains.

538
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:29.079
<v Speaker 3>This was during the summer, and I don't none of

539
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 3>no one.

540
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:30.400
<v Speaker 4>Spoke of that.

541
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting. I'm going to have to do, you know,

542
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:38.119
<v Speaker 2>do some research on that.

543
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 3>One thing I'd like to share is, okay, when I

544
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.920
<v Speaker 3>were told when you go into the mountains, or when

545
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 3>you go to anywhere in nature where there's the desert,

546
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 3>the mountains or the canyons, that before you go upon

547
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 3>your journey or your hike or whatever, is to do

548
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 3>an offering of some sort, whether it's a prayer or

549
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 3>leaving something, or it's an acknowledgement that the space that

550
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 3>you're going into belongs to someone else, that you're only

551
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 3>there to experience the greatness of that area. And people

552
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 3>don't realize that. It's like a ripple effect in that

553
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 3>other realm or that dimension or that many of us

554
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 3>aren't aware of. So when you do that, it reverberates

555
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 3>all across that area, and these plants and trees they're alive,

556
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, the animals, the birds. There's a deep understanding

557
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 3>there of each other's roles. And our role as indigenous

558
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:02.920
<v Speaker 3>people is to you those elements through our prayers and

559
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 3>songs and to get to give offerings of thankfulness. And

560
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 3>that's been our role since the beginning of time, is

561
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.199
<v Speaker 3>that as indigenous people, we are giving you these ceremonies

562
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 3>to acknowledge nature, to acknowledge the elements you know, and

563
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.639
<v Speaker 3>and when you cease to do that, you know, the

564
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 3>climate changes, the things, things change. So it seems to

565
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 3>be that in our novel teachings from many of the elders,

566
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 3>they say that the weather's reflection of us is that

567
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 3>we're not doing our our part in honoring those those elements,

568
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.280
<v Speaker 3>those realms or those people call them dimensions. But you know,

569
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 3>there is that element there that is unseen, that is real.

570
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 3>That's where the healing comes from from that space, that's

571
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 3>where the energy comes from. The sacredness of the elements

572
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 3>of life in different forms. We connect with them through

573
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 3>vibration of our songs and our chants, and we vibrates back.

574
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 3>So there's this natural process that the majority of mankind

575
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 3>has lost. And as we continue to lose it, that

576
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 3>element of our connection to that divine space, then we

577
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Speaker 3>have the situation that we have now, you know, the weather,

578
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 3>political strife, and things happening all over the world, the

579
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 3>wars and the suffering and the hardships, and that's what

580
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 3>our elders tell us. So that when you go into

581
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 3>these spaces, campy it or whatever, you do that and

582
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:57.480
<v Speaker 3>whatever that.

583
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 4>Whatever there will acknowledge that.

584
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, if you look at all these big

585
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 3>Foot movies, there's these extreme violence, like these are just

586
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:17.039
<v Speaker 3>like really ruthless monsters that you know, I've never seen

587
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 3>a Bigfoot movie where it shows the beauty of really

588
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 3>what their role is on this earth, in this natural world.

589
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's always from a negative Western perspective that

590
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.800
<v Speaker 3>what you don't understand is a monster, you know, and

591
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 3>it's reflected in the writing and you know, the misconceptions

592
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.840
<v Speaker 3>of what this being is in you know, of course

593
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 3>there's violence. You know, look look look look at who

594
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.679
<v Speaker 3>we are as you know, look at humanity, Look look

595
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 3>at how we've lost ourselves, you know, And I would

596
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 3>just encourage more of the positive aspects of what this

597
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 3>being is instead of the you know, the horrific horror

598
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 3>stories and it might be true, you know. And some

599
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 3>of these different podcasts I've listened, they're written, and how

600
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 3>much are true? How much of those that are rant

601
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.519
<v Speaker 3>and these podcasts are true? And it kind of makes

602
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 3>me think about that. But is somebody just being a

603
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 3>great creative writer or is it real?

604
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even today, you don't even have to be a

605
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>creative writer. You can just you could just have AI

606
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>do it. I mean, that's why I talked to actual people.

607
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 2>You know.

608
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome.

609
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 2>We had so many experiences out here. I think it

610
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 2>was when did Doctor Melbourne come twenty sixteen? Norman was

611
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 2>there and it was probably a couple hundred people and

612
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>came out to Elmorro, which is I don't know, maybe

613
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 2>got a population of one hundred and fifty, you know,

614
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 2>but there had been so many sightings and events occurring

615
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 2>that he came out and you know, that was really

616
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>that was really something. They were trying to make a

617
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>movie too about it, a documentary, but that fell through,

618
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, so people are willing to talk about it

619
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 2>and share their experiences. I think my first experience was

620
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 2>up in the ad around Deck Mountains, actually, when I

621
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 2>was about twenty twenty years old, a group of us

622
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I was going to community college up there, and a

623
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>bunch of us were going hiking up in the ad

624
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 2>around ACKs and we decided to spend the night. We

625
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 2>brought a tent and they were like five of us,

626
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:50.800
<v Speaker 2>and we were all in there, you know, getting ready

627
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to go to sleep. We had we had put our

628
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 2>tent up. There was no one else around, no one else,

629
00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 2>and in the middle of the night, I don't know

630
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 2>what were grabbed the tent and shook it, shook it

631
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't a bear because nothing was ripped, and

632
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 2>we didn't hear anything like that. And I think that

633
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 2>was my first real experience. And I know around that

634
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot John. There are a lot of things going on

635
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.760
<v Speaker 2>in upstate New York as far as sightings are concerned.

636
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 3>I think what's really would be really awesome is you've

637
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 3>had these Senate hearings on the UFO phenomenon, right, the

638
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.840
<v Speaker 3>undentified aerial phenomenon, you know, UAPs and UFOs, and how

639
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 3>the Senate came together and they had these whistleblowers. I

640
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 3>think that that would be an incredible idea, is how

641
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:53.159
<v Speaker 3>could we formulate a movement to have Congress in.

642
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 4>Itself look into this.

643
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 3>From what I understand and a lot of the research

644
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 3>that I've done is that the military you know, has

645
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.880
<v Speaker 3>has taken captives.

646
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's there's there's.

647
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Trends that have been wiped out, and so what do

648
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:15.159
<v Speaker 3>they have?

649
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.039
<v Speaker 4>What do the museums have, you know?

650
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.159
<v Speaker 3>And and that would be something to look into, a

651
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:27.320
<v Speaker 3>mass movement to see what the government has and how

652
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.760
<v Speaker 3>they view this and what are they doing. Are they

653
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 3>torturing you know, people are up in arms about perfume,

654
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, and and how animals are utilized, you know,

655
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 3>so are.

656
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.000
<v Speaker 4>They doing the same thing?

657
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it real?

658
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 4>I believe so?

659
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:48.559
<v Speaker 3>And they have every right to be on this earth

660
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 3>that anybody else that came upon this land, you know.

661
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 4>So I think that would be something to look at.

662
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Is that a real process that you know Congress could

663
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:04.920
<v Speaker 3>look at?

664
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Well? It Actually this is pretty timely because just the

665
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 1>two days ago there was a task force launched on

666
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Capitol Hill, the Task Force on the to Classification of

667
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Federal Secrets, and they're mainly looking into JFK, RFK all

668
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the up things. But like now is the time when

669
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>if people can call Representative Luna's office House Oversight Chair

670
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Committee James Comer from Kentucky and be like, hey, we

671
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.599
<v Speaker 1>need to put Bigfoot in there too, Guys, Big for

672
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Society will be right back after these messages. Just release

673
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 1>the documents, you know, if there's anything to release, now

674
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is the time. This is a time where we could

675
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>get stuff out there.

676
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and I and I think that the the representation

677
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 3>of how that's presented must come.

678
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:16.760
<v Speaker 4>From Indigenous people.

679
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's.

680
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Inherent in our in our in our stories and in

681
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 3>our in our traditions and our culture. And you know,

682
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.880
<v Speaker 3>you can't ask I mean, you can't do it without

683
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 3>the Indigenous people. You know, they got to be up forefront.

684
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 3>And that would be all I asked of that and

685
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 3>that if that, you know, if that's the direction everybody

686
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 3>wants to go regarding Bigfoot with Congress.

687
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a very interesting point. Yeah, I'm glad you

688
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 1>brought that up. Mmm, it would make sense that that

689
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 1>was definitely involved, that they were involved.

690
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely.

691
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:56.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

692
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I've learned so much from my brother from Norman when

693
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 2>we made the movie. You know, especially I've always kind

694
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>of done prayer on you know, kind of on my own.

695
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>But I saw how important praying before you go out

696
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:17.199
<v Speaker 2>and do something on the land, you know, especially if

697
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.719
<v Speaker 2>we were making a movie, so you know, to honor

698
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 2>the land, to honor the ancestors, to honor nature, and

699
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.199
<v Speaker 2>say we're here to help, We're not here to hurt.

700
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 2>And I think that just grew when that's one of

701
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 2>the things I do every day out in the Magic Forest.

702
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do Navajo prayer. I do prayer from

703
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>just my heart, you know. I say thank you to

704
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 2>the universe, the creator. But those are that's something I

705
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.840
<v Speaker 2>do a couple of times every day at least, because

706
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm thankful for the land. I'm thankful for it. I

707
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.039
<v Speaker 2>can I can feel it, you know. When we were

708
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 2>making our movie, I was bringing one of the people

709
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 2>in the film, Damon Watahmaji, who have a suphie, back

710
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>to the edge of the Grand Canyon so he could

711
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>get back down into the village's supie. We were coming

712
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 2>back from a film festival, and I've never experienced anything

713
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 2>like this in my whole life. It's about an hour

714
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 2>from Route sixty six out to the edge of the canyon,

715
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and we were driving and we got so quiet. No

716
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 2>one was drinking, no one was doing anything, and I

717
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 2>felt like I could hear all the trees. I could

718
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 2>hear them, and I felt like my jeep was going

719
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to take off, you know. And I said to Damon,

720
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, man, I can hear the trees. And he

721
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.559
<v Speaker 2>just turned around and smiled at me, like I've been

722
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.599
<v Speaker 2>hearing the trees my whole life. You know, I'm glad

723
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 2>you're finally listening to them. You can finally hear them.

724
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:55.840
<v Speaker 2>So Norman says that they communicate the plants and the

725
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 2>trees and our mother. I mean, I really believe that,

726
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, on my own, my own truth, my own experiences,

727
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and and taking an offering. I shared

728
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 2>with that around that Bigfoot with John. You know, when

729
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 2>you go out and do an investigation, take apples with you,

730
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.800
<v Speaker 2>leave apples. You know, he'll respect that. He'll know because

731
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you've got a good heart, He'll know that.

732
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 3>And you know, so you have a you have a

733
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.360
<v Speaker 3>world you have a Western worldview, you have a Western

734
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:42.000
<v Speaker 3>scientific worldview. You have a different worldview of what indigenous

735
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:48.599
<v Speaker 3>societies have embraced in their culture. I guess what I'm

736
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying is that over the years I've heard

737
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.599
<v Speaker 3>this phrase woo, right, and if you're if you the

738
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 3>truth of it is, this whole concept of life and

739
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:08.519
<v Speaker 3>this whole idea of the natural world is woo woo.

740
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean that that's there, there's a there's.

741
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:13.880
<v Speaker 4>An element there.

742
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:18.280
<v Speaker 3>And when you have the Western thought, the Western concept

743
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 3>of no connection or of idea of what that energy is,

744
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:25.440
<v Speaker 3>then fear.

745
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Comes into it. Misconceptions come into this.

746
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Historically, if you look at Western society, it's always about

747
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 3>dominance of resource, dominance of water, of land in some

748
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 3>words that you might call it greed, you know. And

749
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 3>and the idea is that when you come from that perspective,

750
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 3>things that you don't understand, you fear. Hence the movies,

751
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:01.480
<v Speaker 3>hence you know, different experiences regarding bigfoots. So I think,

752
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 3>I guess, I guess. What I'm trying to say is

753
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 3>that there's a way to communicate, and it doesn't have

754
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 3>to be like a big ritual or a big ceremony,

755
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 3>or it's just a really simple understanding that I respect you,

756
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 3>I respect the slam, and I'm only here to heal

757
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:23.639
<v Speaker 3>myself to be a part of this.

758
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 4>I have a right to this land, you know, and

759
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.559
<v Speaker 4>it is presented that way, you'll be okay.

760
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.280
<v Speaker 3>But if you go in there with an attitude, then

761
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:40.480
<v Speaker 3>of course you know, there's gonna be consequences. And that's

762
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:45.239
<v Speaker 3>why our elders say tread lightly, you know, because there's

763
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 3>things out there in nature that we don't understand.

764
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Is that the sorry is that the equivalent of when

765
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:59.360
<v Speaker 1>people say, be careful what you wish for?

766
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Totally yeah, totally yeah.

767
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 3>What we're told is that our thoughts and our words

768
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 3>manifest automatically instantly goes into the universe. That's why Grandma

769
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.400
<v Speaker 3>always says, hey, szamb be careful what you say, be

770
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 3>careful what you think, because it manifests itself instantly.

771
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.440
<v Speaker 4>So that's what balances.

772
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 3>And if you look at the natural world, they all

773
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.760
<v Speaker 3>have their own roles. The trees have their roles, the plants,

774
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:42.840
<v Speaker 3>the butterflies, the bees, you know, the birds, and but humanity,

775
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:48.199
<v Speaker 3>as you know, we've we we failed in our role

776
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 3>to be a part of this. So I think it's

777
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 3>how you look at the world. How do you see it?

778
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Are you a part of it or are you disconnected

779
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 3>from it? Or how do you connect with it? It's

780
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.519
<v Speaker 3>real simple. You just go out to where you're going

781
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.280
<v Speaker 3>and you acknowledge nature for what it is. Some people

782
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.840
<v Speaker 3>call it. There's that word God, you know, it's like

783
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 3>God is in every element of the natural world. We

784
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 3>are God, or we are the Great Spirit, or we

785
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 3>are that holy light each of us. So from a

786
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Western perspective, someone will probably never ever get it. But

787
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 3>if you're raised in that consciousness, then everything becomes clear,

788
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:44.280
<v Speaker 3>everything becomes real. And that's been what's been happening, we

789
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 3>believe native people all across the world is we've lost

790
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.360
<v Speaker 3>our connection to ourselves through our connection through the natural

791
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:54.920
<v Speaker 3>world because that's the real world, you know, That's how

792
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 3>it was. And I'm not saying that technology can't be a.

793
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.679
<v Speaker 4>Part of it. Yeah, that world is technology.

794
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, the lasers and you know all the but

795
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.440
<v Speaker 3>the technology were it as matter itself.

796
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Physically.

797
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 3>We've connected that spiritually, energetic, energetically wise, yeah, energetic wise.

798
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 3>So there is that element that I think people should

799
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:31.159
<v Speaker 3>be aware of. And it is real, and it is healium,

800
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 3>and it is miraculous and it is very very powerful.

801
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 1>No, it absolutely is. And like you'd mentioned the I wish,

802
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 1>you know that the community would just stop referring to

803
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 1>the woo woo stuff and just like go out there

804
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>and like connect with stuff. Again, Man, I don't drink

805
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 1>or smoke or any of that stuff. And I experienced

806
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.920
<v Speaker 1>some of the weirdest things I've ever experienced out in Oregon.

807
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 1>We were out in the woods and there was like

808
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.440
<v Speaker 1>there's this young woman that goes out there, and when

809
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 1>she goes out to this area, they start communicating with

810
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:18.119
<v Speaker 1>her in fake bird noises, and like I watched them

811
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:21.920
<v Speaker 1>go back and forth, and it was the It was incredible.

812
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I've never experienced anything else like it.

813
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 4>Guys.

814
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I think we could do that if we discipline

815
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.239
<v Speaker 3>ourselves and if we put ourselves in that state we

816
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:38.000
<v Speaker 3>were born that way, and or I guess over a

817
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 3>lifetime we've kind of forgotten about that, that that space,

818
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 3>that that energetic you know, the unseen energy that premiates

819
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.760
<v Speaker 3>itself all over the world in its special form. Yeah,

820
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I believe that we can each do that.

821
00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that we have time to

822
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:02.199
<v Speaker 1>go over the films that you have made, how people

823
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.760
<v Speaker 1>can can check those out in the documentaries that you've

824
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 1>been part of. If that's possible.

825
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, sure, I'll let Norman go first, because he was

826
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the town, I'll put poison win.

827
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.679
<v Speaker 3>I've been a filmmaker since late in eighty nine, and

828
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.480
<v Speaker 3>all my short films have been in the Navel language.

829
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 4>Back in the.

830
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Nineties early nineties, both of my films were the first

831
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Indigenous language films ever at the Sundance Film Festival.

832
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:36.840
<v Speaker 4>One was called Awakening and the other one was called

833
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 4>a Horse Song.

834
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.280
<v Speaker 3>And over the years, I've dedicated my life to utilizing

835
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:49.159
<v Speaker 3>the you know, the camera to create stories that reflect

836
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:53.400
<v Speaker 3>our history, that reflect the values of our people. In

837
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 3>terms of creative films that help our people understand, you know,

838
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 3>the natural world and the importance of our culture. I've

839
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.800
<v Speaker 3>also worked with the Novel Nation developing a Novel language

840
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:12.800
<v Speaker 3>drama festival. And I'm also an actor. I'm really blessed

841
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 3>to have a really great agent, so I've auditions and

842
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:22.039
<v Speaker 3>I've done some substantial roles, some supportive roles, and some

843
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 3>major films which I'm proud of. But the thing i

844
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:34.920
<v Speaker 3>want to share is that once we share stories, it

845
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.519
<v Speaker 3>can teach and it can heal, and I think that's

846
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 3>the value of storytellers. We need more storytellers, and we

847
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 3>need these stories to present themselves how humanity is what humanity.

848
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 4>We're at who we were before, who we are now,

849
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:57.559
<v Speaker 4>and what we can become.

850
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really critical in terms of our stories.

851
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:04.480
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot I call them trash movies, you know,

852
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.840
<v Speaker 3>in Hollywood, but then there are some really good, good,

853
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 3>good films. And I just encourage everyone, as myself, as

854
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 3>a screenwriter and as a storyteller, is that we promote

855
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:22.400
<v Speaker 3>the goodness of humanity that our elders call us good

856
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Speaker 3>lash light, I mean, five fingered being. And it doesn't

857
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:33.880
<v Speaker 3>matter we're from Africa, South America, Russia, China, Asia, you know,

858
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:39.519
<v Speaker 3>we're all five fingered people and we all, you know,

859
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 3>are living this experience. And I think once we understand

860
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 3>each other's experience. I know it's like a cliche, but

861
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:54.159
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really important that as writers, directors, actors, poets,

862
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:58.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, storytellers, that we continue to reflect on the

863
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.880
<v Speaker 3>richnesses of who we are as humanity and how we're

864
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.400
<v Speaker 3>intertwined with each other and how we need to help

865
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 3>each other, especially during these times right now. We do

866
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.599
<v Speaker 3>have the ability to make this world a better place.

867
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.079
<v Speaker 3>And I'll just share one last thing as we all

868
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:21.880
<v Speaker 3>got together as a indigenous activists, all across now that

869
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.400
<v Speaker 3>we came together and we had a big old at

870
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:29.039
<v Speaker 3>ancient ceremony, and there were some medicine people there, and

871
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 3>a lot of these medicine people indigenous societies all over

872
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.519
<v Speaker 3>the world. You know, they have this direct link with

873
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.840
<v Speaker 3>the with the unknown or unseen, you know, and they

874
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:47.199
<v Speaker 3>divine information. Some might call them psychics, some might call

875
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:53.960
<v Speaker 3>them truth seers, these medicine people. During our prayer, and

876
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:57.760
<v Speaker 3>other says, I was just told that, you know, we're

877
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 3>in a really horrific place in humanity tea and one

878
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.679
<v Speaker 3>of the one of the young women, says, hey, grandpa,

879
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.079
<v Speaker 3>what do we do? Is there a ceremony? Is there

880
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.440
<v Speaker 3>a prayers? You know, how can we fix this? The

881
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.239
<v Speaker 3>world is going crazy, you know, the tsunomies and the

882
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.280
<v Speaker 3>earthquakes and the fires.

883
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:17.800
<v Speaker 4>And then the.

884
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Medicine man sits there for a while he goes, well,

885
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:28.400
<v Speaker 3>this is what I'm told. It's too late. There's no ceremony.

886
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:33.239
<v Speaker 3>There's nothing that's going to stop where we're going and

887
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 3>where we're going now, what I'm told is that it's

888
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 3>going to be a purification and no matter what we do,

889
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.480
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing we can do to stop this turmoil on Earth.

890
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.840
<v Speaker 4>Then he says, but there's one thing.

891
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.880
<v Speaker 3>That it's not up to the gods or to the

892
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.920
<v Speaker 3>holy people. It's up to humanity. Is that what our

893
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.639
<v Speaker 3>I was just told was that in order for us

894
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:12.119
<v Speaker 3>to fix where we're at, the sauy state of humanity,

895
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.360
<v Speaker 3>the wars and the pestilence and starvation, you know, the

896
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 3>raping of Mother Earth, the lands, the resources, the water,

897
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:26.599
<v Speaker 3>the pollution. He said, what I was just told, he said,

898
01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:36.119
<v Speaker 3>was that humanity must come together consciously, and that's the

899
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:42.320
<v Speaker 3>only way that we can change this. And that's just

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01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.400
<v Speaker 3>a message to your viewers, to the world, is that

901
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:47.760
<v Speaker 3>we do have the ability.

902
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:50.719
<v Speaker 4>But can we do that?

903
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, can we unite the whole world and one

904
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.079
<v Speaker 3>consciousness to create this change that.

905
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:01.079
<v Speaker 4>Is needed.

906
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.119
<v Speaker 2>I used to have a day dream when we were

907
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 2>making the movie because the Grand Canyon played such a

908
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:14.760
<v Speaker 2>significant role in the film, and there's I had no idea,

909
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.360
<v Speaker 2>even though I was living in Arizona for a long

910
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.320
<v Speaker 2>time that Uranian mining was going on in the Grand Canyon,

911
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:25.199
<v Speaker 2>and it was in the Colorado River, and people not

912
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.440
<v Speaker 2>only in the village to Soupy, but you know, the

913
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Colorado goes all the way to California, so you know,

914
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.679
<v Speaker 2>crops things get watered with it. And so anyway, I

915
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 2>used to have this day dream where people would come

916
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:43.079
<v Speaker 2>from all over the world and there'd be so many

917
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.800
<v Speaker 2>people that they could hold hands around the top of

918
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the Grand Canyon in a act to save it because

919
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.559
<v Speaker 2>so many people come there and love it. You know.

920
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Every time I've been to the Grand Canyon and there

921
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 2>people from all over the world there, and I thought,

922
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't it be great if we could just get

923
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 2>thousands of people all there camping out at the same

924
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:08.880
<v Speaker 2>time and all joined hands to protect her. So that

925
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>was kind of you know, it needs to be a

926
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:16.440
<v Speaker 2>show of humanity like that on that par I think.

927
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:21.519
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we made Poison Wind, which was about uranium

928
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:25.360
<v Speaker 2>mining on the indigenous lens of the Southwest. I was

929
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.480
<v Speaker 2>down in the Grand Canyon with my husband for his birthday,

930
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like I was standing in the middle

931
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.679
<v Speaker 2>of a beautiful circle. I'd never felt that before, and

932
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I looked down at my feet and when I looked up,

933
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:43.039
<v Speaker 2>there was a man from the tribe and he asked me.

934
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.159
<v Speaker 2>He said what do you do? And I said, you

935
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 2>mean for a living? He said yes, I said, well,

936
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:51.679
<v Speaker 2>if I'm lucky. I've worked in film and TV, and

937
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:55.079
<v Speaker 2>he said, do you know they're uranium mining here? And

938
01:03:55.599 --> 01:04:00.519
<v Speaker 2>I just we took the helicopter out and I started

939
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 2>calling people and people I knew knew Norman and it

940
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:09.719
<v Speaker 2>was just this domino effect, this chain reaction, and people

941
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted to get music for free. We had a college,

942
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 2>the University of Advancing Technology, gave us all the editing

943
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:22.639
<v Speaker 2>boos for free. And you know it just so poison

944
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Win was financed by my husband, but at the same time,

945
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.760
<v Speaker 2>we never charged for it, and it's free on YouTube,

946
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:35.639
<v Speaker 2>and you know it just And what's interesting too is

947
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I had been in a film. I had been at

948
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:46.079
<v Speaker 2>the film festival years before with Norman and some of

949
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.719
<v Speaker 2>the people who were later involved in my film, and

950
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't meet them at the film festival. It was in

951
01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Scottsdale that all these people I kept meeting Tom Goldtooth

952
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:02.719
<v Speaker 2>had you know, all these people I'd actually been made

953
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.920
<v Speaker 2>aware of years ago, and then all of a sudden

954
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I was meeting them and it ended up being a

955
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.760
<v Speaker 2>wonderful journey. I mean, were very grateful to have done

956
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:13.320
<v Speaker 2>that together.

957
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:19.559
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. I'm going to have definite links to that,

958
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.079
<v Speaker 1>which so people can check that out on YouTube. It

959
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:26.360
<v Speaker 1>sounds like just like a very educational film that people

960
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:27.360
<v Speaker 1>need to be aware.

961
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:35.480
<v Speaker 2>We were chased twice by helicopters. And then remember when

962
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:38.719
<v Speaker 2>we were filming over in Grants and those federal marshals.

963
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:43.679
<v Speaker 2>We were doing a Mani Pino from Athema Pueblo, and

964
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 2>these Federal marshals came out of nowhere and jumped out

965
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.480
<v Speaker 2>of their trucks with badges and guns and wanted to

966
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:53.199
<v Speaker 2>know what the heck we were doing. And were right

967
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 2>at the base of Mount Taylor, which is one of

968
01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:00.199
<v Speaker 2>the four sacred Mountains of Navajo Nation, and I at

969
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.119
<v Speaker 2>the base of uranium mine there, and you know, and

970
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.039
<v Speaker 2>it ended up it got diffused, But for a minute

971
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.840
<v Speaker 2>there it was a little scary. You put on your

972
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:09.480
<v Speaker 2>war bonnet.

973
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Wow, oh man. Yeah, we got to check that out

974
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:14.679
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

975
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you. We went over twenty film festivals

976
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:22.760
<v Speaker 2>around the world and we won two awards in Europe,

977
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:27.360
<v Speaker 2>in Wales and in England for Poison Wind.

978
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:30.559
<v Speaker 4>I also like to.

979
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:37.199
<v Speaker 3>Say thank you because I think it's really important that.

980
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:39.920
<v Speaker 4>This being.

981
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:46.159
<v Speaker 3>That we're talking about is really reflective of our times

982
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:52.760
<v Speaker 3>and what do I mean by that, Well, if you

983
01:06:52.800 --> 01:07:00.920
<v Speaker 3>look at where we are as humanity and how we've

984
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 3>impacted the weather all over the world, and I think

985
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:14.639
<v Speaker 3>you can't separate Sasquatch and bigfoot from that issue. They're

986
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:21.679
<v Speaker 3>an example of how they continue their process and their

987
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:26.079
<v Speaker 3>role in the natural world. As I've said earlier, you know,

988
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:31.239
<v Speaker 3>we're told that they're herbalists. Their master herbalists help other animals,

989
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:33.679
<v Speaker 3>They help heal the land.

990
01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 4>You know, they they're there.

991
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to say it, but trying to

992
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:46.920
<v Speaker 3>translated from a navel language perspective into English, it's it's

993
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.719
<v Speaker 3>kind of like two different things. But I guess what

994
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:52.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to say is that they represent the natural

995
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.599
<v Speaker 3>order of things. They represent the natural, the natural world,

996
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.119
<v Speaker 3>and the natural laws because of their essence of.

997
01:07:59.079 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 4>Who they are.

998
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:05.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, like I said before, Western ideas, Western concepts

999
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 3>of science, it, Western education removes ourselves from that natural

1000
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:17.800
<v Speaker 3>element that we all possess in communicating with nature and

1001
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:20.640
<v Speaker 3>the natural world. So to me, that would be my

1002
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.640
<v Speaker 3>message is that we've got to be more conscious, we've

1003
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:30.520
<v Speaker 3>got to be more active preserving the lands and preserving

1004
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 3>the goodness of who we are. And translating that goodness

1005
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:38.680
<v Speaker 3>into good words and actions for each other because we're

1006
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:42.279
<v Speaker 3>in a we're not in a good place. You know.

1007
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.560
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of hate and anger everywhere.

1008
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:52.119
<v Speaker 3>And as I was saying, he's a messenger. He's telling us, look,

1009
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:59.479
<v Speaker 3>you guys need to fix this because if you don't,

1010
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.319
<v Speaker 3>you're to be gone. But I'll still be here. The

1011
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.840
<v Speaker 3>land will still be here, you know. So that's what

1012
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 3>I'd like to share from all the stories, the knowledge

1013
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:18.039
<v Speaker 3>I've gained regarding this, this being this person, and you're

1014
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:21.399
<v Speaker 3>right about the herbalist, because that's what the charcoal was

1015
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:22.840
<v Speaker 3>he was leaving me.

1016
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.239
<v Speaker 2>So today I'm going to go get some charcoal. Right,

1017
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I've been having you know, I'm doing really well, but

1018
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:32.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, once in a while, I have stomach issues.

1019
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:37.000
<v Speaker 2>He knew that, that's why he left charcoal. I just

1020
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:44.279
<v Speaker 2>realized that. Oh wow, yeah, I just realized that. Okay,

1021
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:49.800
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, off to wall. Yeah, there is a.

1022
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:52.079
<v Speaker 4>Connection there.

1023
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:59.199
<v Speaker 3>There is an element there and unseeing energy that people

1024
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:02.960
<v Speaker 3>will already care, people will laugh laugh about people that

1025
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:08.319
<v Speaker 3>do not understand until they understand, and they'll be able to

1026
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:10.920
<v Speaker 3>communicate with this being.

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01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely m Jenny Norman. It has been just a privilege

1028
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to have you both on the show today. Thank you

1029
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 1>for coming on and for sharing what you've learned over

1030
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the years and what you've experienced. It's greatly appreciated.

1031
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Jeremia. We really appreciate it, appreciate being on

1032
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.239
<v Speaker 2>with you today and anytime, and we're just really I'm

1033
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:42.199
<v Speaker 2>really thrilled that Norman was here today so he could

1034
01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:42.960
<v Speaker 2>be here as well.

1035
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm really thankful of your work. I know you're

1036
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.439
<v Speaker 3>coming from a good place and I know that you

1037
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:57.159
<v Speaker 3>mean well and that by doing this, you're educating You're

1038
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.359
<v Speaker 3>you're educating us and you're teaching us, and that's what

1039
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:02.640
<v Speaker 3>we're all supposed to do with each other, help each other,

1040
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:06.279
<v Speaker 3>and your podcast is representative of that. I checked out

1041
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:09.399
<v Speaker 3>your different subject matter and your so I did a

1042
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.239
<v Speaker 3>little bit of research that I thought, wow, this is cool. Yeah,

1043
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:14.640
<v Speaker 3>I'd like I'd be honored to be on the Bigfoot

1044
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:16.159
<v Speaker 3>Society podcast.

1045
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Well, we will keep in touch, guys, and thank

1046
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you again to both of you.

1047
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Dear Maya, Okay, thank you Jermdel, Thank you guys.

1048
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:27.159
<v Speaker 5>Bye.

1049
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank

1050
01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1051
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Please take a minute to help out the show by

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<v Speaker 1>subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us

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<v Speaker 1>on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

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<v Speaker 1>someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a list the Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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<v Speaker 1>the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you back next time. Listeners. SASA Summerfest this year

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<v Speaker 1>July eleventh through the twelfth. It's going to be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>July eleventh through twelfth in Greenwaters Park and Oakridge, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>and listeners, if you're going to go, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a two day ticket for the cost of one if

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<v Speaker 1>you use the code b FS like Bigfoot Society but

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<v Speaker 1>BFS and I'll get used some off your cost. Priscilla

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<v Speaker 1>was nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So

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<v Speaker 1>there you go. I look forward to seeing you there,

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<v Speaker 1>so make sure you head over to www Dot Sasquatch

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<v Speaker 1>Murfest dot com and pick up your tickets today