WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.120 Thanks for tuning in to another show in the next 2 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:03.680 Real family of film podcasts. 3 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:06.400 I want to skip those ads and get early access. 4 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:08.839 Become a member at true story dot fm, slash Joint, 5 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:11.039 and discover all the other great perks that come with it. 6 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:14.240 This month, the DC universe gets a hard reboot and 7 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:17.559 James Gunn is holding the jumper cables. Superman is here, 8 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:19.640 soaring in the theaters with a new face, a new tone, 9 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.399 and yes, a superpowered dog. David Corn sweat Don's the 10 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.559 Cape as the latest Clark Kent, Rachel Brosnahn sharpens her 11 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.079 pen as Lowis Lane, and Nicholas Hold polishes his billionaire 12 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:34.920 complex as Lex Luthor. Is this the hopeful reset DC 13 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.799 desperately needed, or just another CGI cram Cape flick with 14 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:43.359 a better playlist? Kyle, Rob, Tommy and Ocean are all here, 15 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:46.280 so let's get those ex powered monkeys that type in. 16 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:48.840 This is the film board. 17 00:00:51.679 --> 00:01:00.840 Ready, let's do it, Cronkite, Superman, Miss Lane, You've. 18 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.520 Come under a lot of fire for where some might 19 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:09.000 it's a lot. Today the Secretary of Defense said he 20 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.799 was going to look into your actions. 21 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:12.439 That's funny. 22 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:19.280 My actions I stopped a war. Maybe not maybe I did. 23 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:21.920 In effect, you illegally entered a country. 24 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:23.000 This is how you're going to be. 25 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:24.359 I'm not the one. 26 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:25.599 Being interviewed, Superman. 27 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.840 Did you consult with the president? 28 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.239 You seemingly acting as a representative. 29 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:34.359 Of the st. 30 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:38.200 And we're doing good. 31 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.040 I would question myself in the same situation and consider 32 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:53.799 the consequences people were going to die. 33 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:58.920 Hey, buddy, i's up here. 34 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:04.799 When you get your car jumped, do you call it 35 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.319 a heart reboot? 36 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.639 I just want to make sure it's an electric car. Oh, sure, 37 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.319 that totally makes sense, and yes, power cycle. 38 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.599 Yeah, okay, okay, I just want to let's just I 39 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.800 just want to rip off the band aid and do 40 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.280 our opening thoughts. This is the thing that we do 41 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:30.080 before we start talking about details. It's opening thoughts time. 42 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.680 And I want to go to the person I'm least 43 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.439 nervous about, because I know kind of where his general 44 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.800 vibe is on these whole all these movies. That's Tommy. 45 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:42.360 Tommy set the table. 46 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.439 I had a lot of fun with this movie. Overall, 47 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.439 I do have problems with it. I think ultimately it 48 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:55.319 is still not for me. But the things that I 49 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:58.800 loved about it, I deeply loved and anything involving the 50 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.400 dog was absolute, and there was a lot of stuff 51 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.639 with the dog, the dog and Nathan Fillion. So overall, 52 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.759 this gave me what these movies almost never do, which 53 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.280 was a really good time. I was a little out 54 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.039 fake things on fake things after a while, but we 55 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:14.719 can get into that. 56 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:17.319 But overall, I'm very glad that I thought excellent. 57 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.439 Okay, Ocean, Ocean, my friend, what do you have to 58 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:22.039 say about this? 59 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.960 I want to start off with the movie itself is entertaining. 60 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.039 I love that we don't have an origin story, and 61 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:33.680 while he is and he is already being Superman, I 62 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.879 like the overall story, the look, and most of the acting. 63 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:39.439 But I find that the comic book nerd in me 64 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.960 has issues with the film. And however, I am going 65 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.080 to be fair. I have always thought that Superman is 66 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.360 like the Hulk and doesn't really work as the start 67 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.879 of a movie. So the changes and weakening of him 68 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.159 that is done in this movie maybe what it takes 69 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.319 for mass appeal. And so even though I yeah, so, 70 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:58.879 even though I guess in some reason though I think 71 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.960 that it is a good movie, I'm not sure if 72 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:02.520 it's for me. 73 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.120 Oh my goodness. Okay, we've got to not sure if 74 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:12.919 it's for you, Kyle l Yeah, I'm sorting with Ocean 75 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:13.360 a little bit. 76 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:13.919 Is that and that. 77 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.560 I had a difficult time because it's sorting through all 78 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.720 of the things with my nerd dumb because I was like, Okay, 79 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:23.120 that character from this, and this is from that, and 80 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.240 that's from here, but they're not doing this, they're doing that. 81 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.680 I found myself in my head with the conspiracy wall 82 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.519 behind me, sort of doing a lot of stuff. As 83 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.399 as my family's like asking me what I thought of it. 84 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:34.639 I was like, I'm still trying to figure out why 85 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:38.040 they chose the engineer from Wild Storm to bring into this. 86 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.120 You know that I was still doing the mental math. 87 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:43.319 But I've I like Tom I said, I found it 88 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:48.000 wildly entertaining. I felt like we haven't seen a really hopeful, 89 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.279 exciting film from from DC in a long time. Everything 90 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.399 else has been an emotional slog or everybody's you know, 91 00:04:55.879 --> 00:05:00.600 dirty and covered and growling and covered in and luck 92 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.120 and despair. To actually have bright shiny, to actually hit 93 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:08.399 the silver age, which I know probably only Ocean understands, 94 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:14.040 was wildly exciting to me. But there's still the James 95 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.720 Gun of it all and that's that's sort of where 96 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.879 I hit a little bit. So I'm excited about this 97 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.560 too because I kind of have avoided anyone else's take 98 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:24.920 on this, So this would be the first time I've 99 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:28.199 talked to anybody or read anybody about how they felt 100 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:29.079 about this movie. 101 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:35.439 So let's get into it all, right, Rob. Since nineteen 102 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:39.480 seventy eight, I have been in love. I have been 103 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:44.120 in love with comic book movies. Okay, this is a 104 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:50.639 movie comic book different now and I am still processing 105 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.680 what I think of it. I don't know. Yeah, wow, 106 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.439 And that is my take. I have never seen a 107 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.920 movie in this genre where I feel like I picked 108 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.680 up issue thirty six in a forty eight series run 109 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.199 and I and I don't know. And the weird thing is, 110 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.399 is like Man of a Thousand faces watching this. There 111 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:12.720 are some things that are so incredibly amazing, which we 112 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.800 will talk about, and there are some things that I 113 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.800 don't ever want to see again. Oh no. And there's 114 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:22.839 a lot to discuss. And then there's the one big one, 115 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.839 which I'm going to call the iron elephant in the room, 116 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:32.040 which we will talk about. It's keeping code now. Oh 117 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:33.759 you'll see you'll see off. 118 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:39.720 Okay, yeah, okay, I am last, and I have to 119 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.560 tell you all of your uncertainty is flemoxing to me. 120 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.319 I absolutely agree with Rob. That is the first time 121 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.199 I've run into somebody else who says those words. It's 122 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.279 a movie comic book and I found that from the 123 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.480 moment we meet for he's taken in in the opening sequence, 124 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:04.279 I thought, oh my god, this is a comic book 125 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.800 movie's comic book movie. Like it really does feel like 126 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:12.879 a motion comic in tone, in texture. It's a strange thing. 127 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.079 I can't quite put my fingers on what it is 128 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.079 that makes this feel different. And I think that's the 129 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.319 part I'm going to have to process. But overall, you guys, 130 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:29.360 I legit loved this movie. I bring that kind of 131 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.240 enthusiasm to it. I'm just gonna say, I'm having a 132 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.360 hell of a summer already. I mean, we got F one, 133 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:37.759 we had Dinosaurs. Movie was kind of crummy, but it 134 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.920 was dinosaurs, and now we've got this hell of a summer. 135 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:45.600 I am actually quite quite pleased with what they did. 136 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:51.279 And for the first time in our modern superhero movie era, 137 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.800 I'm able to say I have to co rank Marvel 138 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:01.439 and DC in my favorite comic book movies, because now 139 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.279 we get to break up the Marvel dominance of my 140 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.319 favorite comic book movies before this, DC didn't. 141 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:14.000 So are you including the Dark Knight in those? 142 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.079 No, of course not. Oh okay, that's no. 143 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:18.519 We never count. We never count. 144 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:21.000 The Dark Dark Knight's not counted in any of these. 145 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:26.160 It is a standalone that's the Dark Knight universe. That's all, okay, 146 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.360 all right, I'm also not including I'm also not including Batman, right, 147 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:35.360 that's that's that doesn't get to play in this. No, 148 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.480 the Batman. Sorry, you're absolutely right. No, So there we go. 149 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:46.440 Let us do I mean kind of exhausted and also 150 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.519 very excited. This is big energy, drink vibes, pete that 151 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.879 you're getting right now. So let's just start a little 152 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:55.960 with a little bit of table setting. And I'd love 153 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.360 it if Kyle and Ocean you could just just give 154 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.440 us a sense. I went through and I did some 155 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.720 of the best sort of documentation of where I think 156 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.399 this movie comes from. I don't want to spend a 157 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.120 lot of time on this, but I do think it's 158 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:14.080 important to know how grounded it is in lore. 159 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.159 Right, I'll set up a little bit and then I'll 160 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.879 throw the ocean. Okay, okay, So there's a very very 161 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.960 short version of this is when Superman premiered, that was 162 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:25.120 what they considered the Bronze Age, and so that was 163 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.720 Superman was just a strong guy who lifted cars and 164 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.200 couldn't fly, and he mostly punched mobsters. That's pretty much 165 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:36.159 all Superman was for the first couple of number of 166 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:41.279 years of his stuff. He actually tall building in the 167 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:43.080 in the in the thing he like says it says, 168 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.440 you know, fascist speaking bullet more powerful, able to leap 169 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.240 tall buildings, tink about it, not flyover buildings. But no, 170 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:51.759 like he was just a big, strong guy. 171 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:54.879 And so I just can I just take it and 172 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.759 say how entertaining it is to watch Tom learn these 173 00:09:57.759 --> 00:09:58.919 things for the first time. 174 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:04.799 Like the actually number one is him just lifting a 175 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.480 car of gangsters like that's yeah, that's what it was. 176 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.759 And so for longest time that's and even the Superman 177 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.960 TV show it's mostly just him punching mobsters like that's 178 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:17.000 that's what the show is. And then once that had 179 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.879 sort of had run its course, then we enter the 180 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:23.000 Silver Age, and that's when things get weird and so 181 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.399 and that is sort of for a lot of people. 182 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.679 This is where Superman becomes Superman because suddenly now he's flying. 183 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.840 You have Kryptonite and Bepel the super Monkey and and 184 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.480 Comet the Wonder Horse, and like all of this weirdness 185 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.919 comes and this is where Crypto comes in. And then 186 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:40.519 suddenly so now Superman is fighting aliens and he is 187 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.600 he's pushing the earth out of out of alignment, like 188 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:47.399 he is going way farther and way weirder than anything saving. 189 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:51.279 And we've never seen that depicted on screen until now, 190 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.600 because they always just either have it's it's the regular 191 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.759 world and there's a guy who's also super in it, 192 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.399 or you get the they jump right over to the 193 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.759 nineties and gritty stuff and suddenly it's Superman brought low, 194 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:05.960 you know, like you know, in the in the muck 195 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.879 fighting with Batman stuff too, And we've never gotten this 196 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.000 sense of wonder and awe and like and weird stuff 197 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:15.320 can happen, and there's heroes all over the place and 198 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.320 it's bright colored. And for that I give this movie 199 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.679 high marks because no one's ever tried to do this before, 200 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.360 and so it's hard to grade it because it's like 201 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.080 you took such a big swing, and no one's ever 202 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.840 been to this part of the Superman lore before. 203 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:30.600 Uh. 204 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.360 And it's so I give them points just for that. 205 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.879 Uh and which so, and we're to see will people 206 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:38.840 love it? Will they continue on? I don't know, but 207 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.919 I'm so happy for the moment that Crypto and that 208 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.559 first trailer comes run through Snow. I was like, We're 209 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:46.679 in a whole new era now, and I don't know 210 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:48.519 how people are gonna feel about it, but I'm excited. 211 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:50.240 Yeah, So what do you think? What do you think? Ocean? 212 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.519 Well, honestly, I am I'm happy that you were you 213 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.200 went first, because that is literally you said everything that 214 00:11:58.240 --> 00:11:59.320 I've been thinking. 215 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.200 But better than what I was thinking about it. 216 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.559 So I honestly want to just encapsulate what you just 217 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.480 said and didn't explain that to my friends and family 218 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.720 because I've been trying to say this that they're returning 219 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.320 him to the he's just a strong guy. 220 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:12.840 Uh. 221 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.399 They even getting over the shotgut first of like, well, 222 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:17.320 how did they break his skin? 223 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.159 Why is he bleeding? What is this internal organs? You know? 224 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:23.879 Or like dislocating a shoulder. These are all things that 225 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.720 Superman should not It shouldn't be able to do this 226 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.960 to him, and so that they were bringing him back 227 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:35.320 to that earlier phase where he isn't effectively the you know, immortal, immortal, 228 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.320 omnipotent god of what you see in the modern times. 229 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.080 And so it did take a bit for me to 230 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.039 adjust back to think, you know, Superman that way and 231 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:46.919 you know, honestly fighting off. Am I going to be defensive? 232 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:48.759 Am I going to say, well, this is not my Superman? 233 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:49.440 You know? 234 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:53.559 And it's like, well, given the age and longevity and 235 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.120 the amount of you know, fandom in love with the character, 236 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.120 is there really anyone that you can say, oh, this 237 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.440 is Superman on the mart you know where this So 238 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:03.960 so that was what it was. It was part of 239 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.960 it for me, And that's that's what I'm getting about 240 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:08.120 with me, is I need to get over myself a 241 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.759 little bit and and except that, hey, you know what, 242 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.559 there are other versions of this Superman that can be 243 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:15.720 good and I should see if I can get there. 244 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.039 I think that's a really interesting point because I mean 245 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.559 generally they say, you're you're gonna be the biggest fan 246 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.840 of whoever you saw when you were you know, thirteen, right, like, 247 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:31.000 whoever that was is your Superman. What's really interesting about 248 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:36.240 it is that I feel a greater affinity to this Superman, 249 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:40.639 Like this is the Superman that feels more like my 250 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:46.879 Superman than even Donner cut Superman right, like that that's 251 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:51.399 such a weird, weird headspace for me to be in. 252 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:56.759 So this this silver Age really important. We get Lois Lane. 253 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.480 I think that the most interesting sort of self libration 254 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.240 of Leis Lane and what Rachel Brosnahan brings is the 255 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:07.320 ten minute sequence of her interviewing Superman as Superman in 256 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.159 the apartment, and a lot of that comes from Lewis Lane. 257 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:14.639 Enemy of the People twenty nineteen, Greg Rucca, Mister Terrific 258 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:19.480 is what Dunning surprise. 259 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.519 All time favorite characters. He He was okay in the 260 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.399 arrow Verse, like they did, but they had him much 261 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:29.240 more Nebuchy, much more like unsure of himself. I'm like, 262 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.279 but that's not what mister Terrific is like. Jeff John's 263 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:34.840 is one of the ones who took that character and 264 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.399 really defined who he is. And he's never been seen 265 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.120 until now, even in the Justice League Unlimited. Never really 266 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.399 been seen until now, and I'm so happy that people 267 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.799 are going, who is mister Terrific. I was like, yes, 268 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.080 but I want to go into the Google algorithms and 269 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.360 see the spike of people like. 270 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.759 Googling finding mister Terrific for the first time. This all 271 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.960 came from the Terrifics run twenty eighteen to twenty twenty. 272 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.679 This Lex Luthor we have, just like Superman, we have 273 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.600 a lot of luthers to choose from, right, uh, and 274 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.120 this one, arguably most of it comes from Man of 275 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:10.480 Alex Luthor Man of Steel two thousand and five. 276 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:11.159 Uh. 277 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.879 Brian Azarello. Luthor as a narcissistic genius who believes he's 278 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.440 humanity's savior and that Superman is a dangerous alien threat. 279 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:20.960 Been there a long time. 280 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:22.039 We're not. 281 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.759 We don't need to litigate the Superman is an immigrant 282 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.480 thing that Reddit's done that. Let's just say it's been 283 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:32.799 there from Jump everybody. So that's fine, settled science. 284 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.840 We don't need Yeah, I think this, I. 285 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.559 Think this Luthor is is also different and unique in 286 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.120 another way where they return it back to the original 287 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:46.039 reason that Luthor hated Superman and that it's stupid, right, 288 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:47.919 you know, the whole the whole original one about like 289 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.720 well Superman had what was it? They were in high 290 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.600 school together and there was an accident and Superman made 291 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:52.879 them bald. So that's why he hates. 292 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:55.879 Blue Office. 293 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.799 Yeah, it's the dumbest thing and that and so and 294 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:01.679 then this one if they go back down to it's like, look, 295 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:03.879 I'm envious of you. I want people to like me 296 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:05.799 the way they like you. I mean, this is straight mean, 297 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.039 girl's stupid reason for all. 298 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.879 He's a tech bro with a persecution complex exactly. 299 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.960 And so yeah, then see flaws, which I'd love to 300 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:17.080 absolutely not. 301 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:18.840 And I guess that's part of where I think that 302 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.960 it is an interesting duality where he has all this 303 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:24.879 power and ability to do all of these horrible things, 304 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.000 and then at the end of it, you're kind of like, hey, 305 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:28.799 maybe you just need to have someone talk to you 306 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:30.679 for a bit because your reasoning is kind of stupid, 307 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.919 and so maybe we can redirect you as opposed to 308 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.399 him being like some massive evil that needs to absolutely 309 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.600 be stopped. You're almost at the end kind of want 310 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.720 to help them, And I've never felt that way about 311 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.000 any of the Luther's where you're kind of like, oh, 312 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:44.039 you know, you're just need a little bit of help, 313 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.639 maybe need a friend. 314 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:47.639 That goes to Nicholas Holt, who I think. 315 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.159 Portrayed this very very much. Oh, he was great. 316 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.720 A couple of more just data points for the DNA 317 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.840 of the movie Superman Peace on Earth was a late 318 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:02.799 nineties one shot where we get yeah, right, where we 319 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:08.720 got to see Superman confront issues bigger than you can punch, right, 320 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:14.319 like he confronts world hunger and get sad because he 321 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.039 runs to the limit of what he can do in 322 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.319 the world of doing good. It's kind of a ViBe's connection, 323 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.440 but very much litigated back in that interview and the 324 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:28.680 whole setup where he steps into world crises which are 325 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.799 in no way to be compared to Russia invading Ukraine, 326 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.880 in no way whatsoever we are not to speak of it. 327 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:40.200 And the fact that Superman actually stopped that and actually 328 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.400 created more problems right the limits of doing good. I 329 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.839 think that's just a really interesting vibe check. And finally 330 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.960 we namecheck Maxwell Lord a number of times, and that's 331 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:57.480 gonna be complicated. Yes, that is his a character in here. 332 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:01.119 I'm assuming those who know Maxwell Lord tell me where 333 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:03.440 you think this is going. I'm assuming they're setting him 334 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.599 up as another billionaire industrialist right now, he's backer of 335 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:12.079 the Justice Gang, but I expect big adaptation energy when. 336 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:13.359 We finally meet Maxwell Lord. 337 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.079 Well, yeah, we see him briefly in the in the 338 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:18.839 montage towards the end. I think where it's going is 339 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.720 Peacemaker season two, Like, I think we're going to see 340 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.960 a lot more of him. It's obviously James James Gunn's 341 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.880 brother is Seawn Gunn. That's the one who's playing him, 342 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:29.480 So it would not be surprised. 343 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:29.400 To do that. 344 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:31.839 But yeah, I'm curious to see where they go with 345 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:36.079 that too, because we've already had billionaire industrialists, super scientists LECs, 346 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.319 and we already have Amanda Waller because we're keeping the 347 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:42.240 same Amanda Waller from the previous incarnation. So where does 348 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.400 Maxwell Lord fit between those two? 349 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:46.039 Yeah? 350 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:50.160 Because because what he has over other billionaires is he's 351 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.799 also a meta human with mind control powers. 352 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.240 Like he was a at Yeah. 353 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:57.839 Right, so is he the one on the news that 354 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:01.359 says liberals and conservatives can get and Erkin agreed that 355 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:02.359 Lex Luthor sucks. 356 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.640 Yes, yes, yes, I was no love loss between Actual 357 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.839 Lord and or Never but Never pals. 358 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.599 But historically he's a bad guy, yes, right, Like he's 359 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.440 he's a bad guy. Well, well he was a politician, 360 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.839 which I guess, so he's a bad guy, but he was. 361 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:20.640 He was sort of the. 362 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.680 Guy who like sort of made the JLA into a 363 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.599 business for a while, and then later on they sort 364 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:28.319 of took him more in the dark, like, oh, it 365 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:30.240 turns out the reason people agreed to work with him 366 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:32.359 is because he was mind controlling them that it was 367 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:32.920 a red con. 368 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.279 But and he's he's Pedro Pascal from Wonder Woman eighty right, 369 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:38.680 different character, different character. 370 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:43.359 Oh oh, thanks Rob, thanks for coming. 371 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:46.079 I was fine with it. 372 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.960 Okay, fine, okay, So that's that's generally said. Oh and 373 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.880 of course the dog. Gunn said the dog was the 374 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.519 starting point of the movie. He said, I wasn't going 375 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:00.200 to direct it or write if I couldn't get the 376 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.079 dog to work. 377 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:01.680 Uh. 378 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:05.160 And I am so deeply thankful that he got the 379 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:07.000 dog to work, because I'm going to see this movie 380 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:08.960 a thousands justification for Rob. 381 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.240 Yeah, it actually was. He was. 382 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:16.240 He was Maxwell Lorenzano, but they basically his his nickname 383 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.640 was Max Lord. I never really put. I was just 384 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:21.799 going to take put. I was just going to take it. 385 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.759 You're right, points of it. 386 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:25.279 I am on my knee right. 387 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:27.400 We were all there. We all showed up May before 388 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.000 and walked out going or probably stood up for a couch. 389 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:34.680 It was streaming going exactly what happened. But that's the past. 390 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.400 Yes, I guess that does also say how much we 391 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.319 were paying attention. Yes, exactly true. 392 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:45.000 Dog comes very much from the Justice League animated or 393 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.119 Superman the animated series, and the Silver Age comics. Again, 394 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:53.319 as Kyle said, when things got weird. Okay, so now 395 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.519 let's turn our attention to the film. 396 00:20:57.279 --> 00:20:57.599 Tom. 397 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.960 You've been You've been quiet because for reasons I imagine 398 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.200 you haven't read the catalog. 399 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:05.400 I've none. 400 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:10.039 Okay, but now you're watching this movie. The movie starts 401 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:13.079