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Speaker 2: This month, the DC universe gets a hard reboot and
Speaker 2: James Gunn is holding the jumper cables. Superman is here,
Speaker 2: soaring in the theaters with a new face, a new tone,
Speaker 2: and yes, a superpowered dog. David Corn sweat Don's the
Speaker 2: Cape as the latest Clark Kent, Rachel Brosnahn sharpens her
Speaker 2: pen as Lowis Lane, and Nicholas Hold polishes his billionaire
Speaker 2: complex as Lex Luthor. Is this the hopeful reset DC
Speaker 2: desperately needed, or just another CGI cram Cape flick with
Speaker 2: a better playlist? Kyle, Rob, Tommy and Ocean are all here,
Speaker 2: so let's get those ex powered monkeys that type in.
Speaker 1: This is the film board.
Speaker 4: Ready, let's do it, Cronkite, Superman, Miss Lane, You've.
Speaker 5: Come under a lot of fire for where some might
Speaker 5: it's a lot. Today the Secretary of Defense said he
Speaker 5: was going to look into your actions.
Speaker 4: That's funny.
Speaker 1: My actions I stopped a war. Maybe not maybe I did.
Speaker 5: In effect, you illegally entered a country.
Speaker 1: This is how you're going to be.
Speaker 3: I'm not the one.
Speaker 5: Being interviewed, Superman.
Speaker 6: Did you consult with the president?
Speaker 5: You seemingly acting as a representative.
Speaker 2: Of the st.
Speaker 1: And we're doing good.
Speaker 5: I would question myself in the same situation and consider
Speaker 5: the consequences people were going to die.
Speaker 1: Hey, buddy, i's up here.
Speaker 6: When you get your car jumped, do you call it
Speaker 6: a heart reboot?
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure it's an electric car. Oh, sure,
Speaker 1: that totally makes sense, and yes, power cycle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, I just want to let's just I
Speaker 2: just want to rip off the band aid and do
Speaker 2: our opening thoughts. This is the thing that we do
Speaker 2: before we start talking about details. It's opening thoughts time.
Speaker 2: And I want to go to the person I'm least
Speaker 2: nervous about, because I know kind of where his general
Speaker 2: vibe is on these whole all these movies. That's Tommy.
Speaker 2: Tommy set the table.
Speaker 6: I had a lot of fun with this movie. Overall,
Speaker 6: I do have problems with it. I think ultimately it
Speaker 6: is still not for me. But the things that I
Speaker 6: loved about it, I deeply loved and anything involving the
Speaker 6: dog was absolute, and there was a lot of stuff
Speaker 6: with the dog, the dog and Nathan Fillion. So overall,
Speaker 6: this gave me what these movies almost never do, which
Speaker 6: was a really good time. I was a little out
Speaker 6: fake things on fake things after a while, but we
Speaker 6: can get into that.
Speaker 1: But overall, I'm very glad that I thought excellent.
Speaker 2: Okay, Ocean, Ocean, my friend, what do you have to
Speaker 2: say about this?
Speaker 7: I want to start off with the movie itself is entertaining.
Speaker 7: I love that we don't have an origin story, and
Speaker 7: while he is and he is already being Superman, I
Speaker 7: like the overall story, the look, and most of the acting.
Speaker 7: But I find that the comic book nerd in me
Speaker 7: has issues with the film. And however, I am going
Speaker 7: to be fair. I have always thought that Superman is
Speaker 7: like the Hulk and doesn't really work as the start
Speaker 7: of a movie. So the changes and weakening of him
Speaker 7: that is done in this movie maybe what it takes
Speaker 7: for mass appeal. And so even though I yeah, so,
Speaker 7: even though I guess in some reason though I think
Speaker 7: that it is a good movie, I'm not sure if
Speaker 7: it's for me.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Okay, we've got to not sure if
Speaker 2: it's for you, Kyle l Yeah, I'm sorting with Ocean
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Is that and that.
Speaker 3: I had a difficult time because it's sorting through all
Speaker 3: of the things with my nerd dumb because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that character from this, and this is from that, and
Speaker 3: that's from here, but they're not doing this, they're doing that.
Speaker 3: I found myself in my head with the conspiracy wall
Speaker 3: behind me, sort of doing a lot of stuff. As
Speaker 3: as my family's like asking me what I thought of it.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm still trying to figure out why
Speaker 3: they chose the engineer from Wild Storm to bring into this.
Speaker 3: You know that I was still doing the mental math.
Speaker 3: But I've I like Tom I said, I found it
Speaker 3: wildly entertaining. I felt like we haven't seen a really hopeful,
Speaker 3: exciting film from from DC in a long time. Everything
Speaker 3: else has been an emotional slog or everybody's you know,
Speaker 3: dirty and covered and growling and covered in and luck
Speaker 3: and despair. To actually have bright shiny, to actually hit
Speaker 3: the silver age, which I know probably only Ocean understands,
Speaker 3: was wildly exciting to me. But there's still the James
Speaker 3: Gun of it all and that's that's sort of where
Speaker 3: I hit a little bit. So I'm excited about this
Speaker 3: too because I kind of have avoided anyone else's take
Speaker 3: on this, So this would be the first time I've
Speaker 3: talked to anybody or read anybody about how they felt
Speaker 3: about this movie.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it all, right, Rob. Since nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight, I have been in love. I have been
Speaker 1: in love with comic book movies. Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: movie comic book different now and I am still processing
Speaker 1: what I think of it. I don't know. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: And that is my take. I have never seen a
Speaker 1: movie in this genre where I feel like I picked
Speaker 1: up issue thirty six in a forty eight series run
Speaker 1: and I and I don't know. And the weird thing is,
Speaker 1: is like Man of a Thousand faces watching this. There
Speaker 1: are some things that are so incredibly amazing, which we
Speaker 1: will talk about, and there are some things that I
Speaker 1: don't ever want to see again. Oh no. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot to discuss. And then there's the one big one,
Speaker 1: which I'm going to call the iron elephant in the room,
Speaker 1: which we will talk about. It's keeping code now. Oh
Speaker 1: you'll see you'll see off.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, I am last, and I have to
Speaker 2: tell you all of your uncertainty is flemoxing to me.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with Rob. That is the first time
Speaker 2: I've run into somebody else who says those words. It's
Speaker 2: a movie comic book and I found that from the
Speaker 2: moment we meet for he's taken in in the opening sequence,
Speaker 2: I thought, oh my god, this is a comic book
Speaker 2: movie's comic book movie. Like it really does feel like
Speaker 2: a motion comic in tone, in texture. It's a strange thing.
Speaker 2: I can't quite put my fingers on what it is
Speaker 2: that makes this feel different. And I think that's the
Speaker 2: part I'm going to have to process. But overall, you guys,
Speaker 2: I legit loved this movie. I bring that kind of
Speaker 2: enthusiasm to it. I'm just gonna say, I'm having a
Speaker 2: hell of a summer already. I mean, we got F one,
Speaker 2: we had Dinosaurs. Movie was kind of crummy, but it
Speaker 2: was dinosaurs, and now we've got this hell of a summer.
Speaker 2: I am actually quite quite pleased with what they did.
Speaker 2: And for the first time in our modern superhero movie era,
Speaker 2: I'm able to say I have to co rank Marvel
Speaker 2: and DC in my favorite comic book movies, because now
Speaker 2: we get to break up the Marvel dominance of my
Speaker 2: favorite comic book movies before this, DC didn't.
Speaker 1: So are you including the Dark Knight in those?
Speaker 2: No, of course not. Oh okay, that's no.
Speaker 1: We never count. We never count.
Speaker 2: The Dark Dark Knight's not counted in any of these.
Speaker 2: It is a standalone that's the Dark Knight universe. That's all, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm also not including I'm also not including Batman, right,
Speaker 2: that's that's that doesn't get to play in this. No,
Speaker 2: the Batman. Sorry, you're absolutely right. No, So there we go.
Speaker 2: Let us do I mean kind of exhausted and also
Speaker 2: very excited. This is big energy, drink vibes, pete that
Speaker 2: you're getting right now. So let's just start a little
Speaker 2: with a little bit of table setting. And I'd love
Speaker 2: it if Kyle and Ocean you could just just give
Speaker 2: us a sense. I went through and I did some
Speaker 2: of the best sort of documentation of where I think
Speaker 2: this movie comes from. I don't want to spend a
Speaker 2: lot of time on this, but I do think it's
Speaker 2: important to know how grounded it is in lore.
Speaker 3: Right, I'll set up a little bit and then I'll
Speaker 3: throw the ocean. Okay, okay, So there's a very very
Speaker 3: short version of this is when Superman premiered, that was
Speaker 3: what they considered the Bronze Age, and so that was
Speaker 3: Superman was just a strong guy who lifted cars and
Speaker 3: couldn't fly, and he mostly punched mobsters. That's pretty much
Speaker 3: all Superman was for the first couple of number of
Speaker 3: years of his stuff. He actually tall building in the
Speaker 3: in the in the thing he like says it says,
Speaker 3: you know, fascist speaking bullet more powerful, able to leap
Speaker 3: tall buildings, tink about it, not flyover buildings. But no,
Speaker 3: like he was just a big, strong guy.
Speaker 2: And so I just can I just take it and
Speaker 2: say how entertaining it is to watch Tom learn these
Speaker 2: things for the first time.
Speaker 3: Like the actually number one is him just lifting a
Speaker 3: car of gangsters like that's yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 3: And so for longest time that's and even the Superman
Speaker 3: TV show it's mostly just him punching mobsters like that's
Speaker 3: that's what the show is. And then once that had
Speaker 3: sort of had run its course, then we enter the
Speaker 3: Silver Age, and that's when things get weird and so
Speaker 3: and that is sort of for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: This is where Superman becomes Superman because suddenly now he's flying.
Speaker 3: You have Kryptonite and Bepel the super Monkey and and
Speaker 3: Comet the Wonder Horse, and like all of this weirdness
Speaker 3: comes and this is where Crypto comes in. And then
Speaker 3: suddenly so now Superman is fighting aliens and he is
Speaker 3: he's pushing the earth out of out of alignment, like
Speaker 3: he is going way farther and way weirder than anything saving.
Speaker 3: And we've never seen that depicted on screen until now,
Speaker 3: because they always just either have it's it's the regular
Speaker 3: world and there's a guy who's also super in it,
Speaker 3: or you get the they jump right over to the
Speaker 3: nineties and gritty stuff and suddenly it's Superman brought low,
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, in the in the muck
Speaker 3: fighting with Batman stuff too, And we've never gotten this
Speaker 3: sense of wonder and awe and like and weird stuff
Speaker 3: can happen, and there's heroes all over the place and
Speaker 3: it's bright colored. And for that I give this movie
Speaker 3: high marks because no one's ever tried to do this before,
Speaker 3: and so it's hard to grade it because it's like
Speaker 3: you took such a big swing, and no one's ever
Speaker 3: been to this part of the Superman lore before.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it's so I give them points just for that.
Speaker 3: Uh and which so, and we're to see will people
Speaker 3: love it? Will they continue on? I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for the moment that Crypto and that
Speaker 3: first trailer comes run through Snow. I was like, We're
Speaker 3: in a whole new era now, and I don't know
Speaker 3: how people are gonna feel about it, but I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you think? What do you think? Ocean?
Speaker 7: Well, honestly, I am I'm happy that you were you
Speaker 7: went first, because that is literally you said everything that
Speaker 7: I've been thinking.
Speaker 1: But better than what I was thinking about it.
Speaker 7: So I honestly want to just encapsulate what you just
Speaker 7: said and didn't explain that to my friends and family
Speaker 7: because I've been trying to say this that they're returning
Speaker 7: him to the he's just a strong guy.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: They even getting over the shotgut first of like, well,
Speaker 7: how did they break his skin?
Speaker 1: Why is he bleeding? What is this internal organs? You know?
Speaker 7: Or like dislocating a shoulder. These are all things that
Speaker 7: Superman should not It shouldn't be able to do this
Speaker 7: to him, and so that they were bringing him back
Speaker 7: to that earlier phase where he isn't effectively the you know, immortal, immortal,
Speaker 7: omnipotent god of what you see in the modern times.
Speaker 7: And so it did take a bit for me to
Speaker 7: adjust back to think, you know, Superman that way and
Speaker 7: you know, honestly fighting off. Am I going to be defensive?
Speaker 7: Am I going to say, well, this is not my Superman?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 7: And it's like, well, given the age and longevity and
Speaker 7: the amount of you know, fandom in love with the character,
Speaker 7: is there really anyone that you can say, oh, this
Speaker 7: is Superman on the mart you know where this So
Speaker 7: so that was what it was. It was part of
Speaker 7: it for me, And that's that's what I'm getting about
Speaker 7: with me, is I need to get over myself a
Speaker 7: little bit and and except that, hey, you know what,
Speaker 7: there are other versions of this Superman that can be
Speaker 7: good and I should see if I can get there.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting point because I mean
Speaker 2: generally they say, you're you're gonna be the biggest fan
Speaker 2: of whoever you saw when you were you know, thirteen, right, like,
Speaker 2: whoever that was is your Superman. What's really interesting about
Speaker 2: it is that I feel a greater affinity to this Superman,
Speaker 2: Like this is the Superman that feels more like my
Speaker 2: Superman than even Donner cut Superman right, like that that's
Speaker 2: such a weird, weird headspace for me to be in.
Speaker 2: So this this silver Age really important. We get Lois Lane.
Speaker 2: I think that the most interesting sort of self libration
Speaker 2: of Leis Lane and what Rachel Brosnahan brings is the
Speaker 2: ten minute sequence of her interviewing Superman as Superman in
Speaker 2: the apartment, and a lot of that comes from Lewis Lane.
Speaker 2: Enemy of the People twenty nineteen, Greg Rucca, Mister Terrific
Speaker 2: is what Dunning surprise.
Speaker 3: All time favorite characters. He He was okay in the
Speaker 3: arrow Verse, like they did, but they had him much
Speaker 3: more Nebuchy, much more like unsure of himself. I'm like,
Speaker 3: but that's not what mister Terrific is like. Jeff John's
Speaker 3: is one of the ones who took that character and
Speaker 3: really defined who he is. And he's never been seen
Speaker 3: until now, even in the Justice League Unlimited. Never really
Speaker 3: been seen until now, and I'm so happy that people
Speaker 3: are going, who is mister Terrific. I was like, yes,
Speaker 3: but I want to go into the Google algorithms and
Speaker 3: see the spike of people like.
Speaker 2: Googling finding mister Terrific for the first time. This all
Speaker 2: came from the Terrifics run twenty eighteen to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: This Lex Luthor we have, just like Superman, we have
Speaker 2: a lot of luthers to choose from, right, uh, and
Speaker 2: this one, arguably most of it comes from Man of
Speaker 2: Alex Luthor Man of Steel two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Brian Azarello. Luthor as a narcissistic genius who believes he's
Speaker 2: humanity's savior and that Superman is a dangerous alien threat.
Speaker 2: Been there a long time.
Speaker 1: We're not.
Speaker 2: We don't need to litigate the Superman is an immigrant
Speaker 2: thing that Reddit's done that. Let's just say it's been
Speaker 2: there from Jump everybody. So that's fine, settled science.
Speaker 1: We don't need Yeah, I think this, I.
Speaker 7: Think this Luthor is is also different and unique in
Speaker 7: another way where they return it back to the original
Speaker 7: reason that Luthor hated Superman and that it's stupid, right,
Speaker 7: you know, the whole the whole original one about like
Speaker 7: well Superman had what was it? They were in high
Speaker 7: school together and there was an accident and Superman made
Speaker 7: them bald. So that's why he hates.
Speaker 1: Blue Office.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the dumbest thing and that and so and
Speaker 7: then this one if they go back down to it's like, look,
Speaker 7: I'm envious of you. I want people to like me
Speaker 7: the way they like you. I mean, this is straight mean,
Speaker 7: girl's stupid reason for all.
Speaker 2: He's a tech bro with a persecution complex exactly.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, then see flaws, which I'd love to
Speaker 1: absolutely not.
Speaker 7: And I guess that's part of where I think that
Speaker 7: it is an interesting duality where he has all this
Speaker 7: power and ability to do all of these horrible things,
Speaker 7: and then at the end of it, you're kind of like, hey,
Speaker 7: maybe you just need to have someone talk to you
Speaker 7: for a bit because your reasoning is kind of stupid,
Speaker 7: and so maybe we can redirect you as opposed to
Speaker 7: him being like some massive evil that needs to absolutely
Speaker 7: be stopped. You're almost at the end kind of want
Speaker 7: to help them, And I've never felt that way about
Speaker 7: any of the Luther's where you're kind of like, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, you're just need a little bit of help,
Speaker 7: maybe need a friend.
Speaker 2: That goes to Nicholas Holt, who I think.
Speaker 1: Portrayed this very very much. Oh, he was great.
Speaker 2: A couple of more just data points for the DNA
Speaker 2: of the movie Superman Peace on Earth was a late
Speaker 2: nineties one shot where we get yeah, right, where we
Speaker 2: got to see Superman confront issues bigger than you can punch, right,
Speaker 2: like he confronts world hunger and get sad because he
Speaker 2: runs to the limit of what he can do in
Speaker 2: the world of doing good. It's kind of a ViBe's connection,
Speaker 2: but very much litigated back in that interview and the
Speaker 2: whole setup where he steps into world crises which are
Speaker 2: in no way to be compared to Russia invading Ukraine,
Speaker 2: in no way whatsoever we are not to speak of it.
Speaker 2: And the fact that Superman actually stopped that and actually
Speaker 2: created more problems right the limits of doing good. I
Speaker 2: think that's just a really interesting vibe check. And finally
Speaker 2: we namecheck Maxwell Lord a number of times, and that's
Speaker 2: gonna be complicated. Yes, that is his a character in here.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming those who know Maxwell Lord tell me where
Speaker 2: you think this is going. I'm assuming they're setting him
Speaker 2: up as another billionaire industrialist right now, he's backer of
Speaker 2: the Justice Gang, but I expect big adaptation energy when.
Speaker 1: We finally meet Maxwell Lord.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we see him briefly in the in the
Speaker 3: montage towards the end. I think where it's going is
Speaker 3: Peacemaker season two, Like, I think we're going to see
Speaker 3: a lot more of him. It's obviously James James Gunn's
Speaker 3: brother is Seawn Gunn. That's the one who's playing him,
Speaker 3: So it would not be surprised.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm curious to see where they go with
Speaker 3: that too, because we've already had billionaire industrialists, super scientists LECs,
Speaker 3: and we already have Amanda Waller because we're keeping the
Speaker 3: same Amanda Waller from the previous incarnation. So where does
Speaker 3: Maxwell Lord fit between those two?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because because what he has over other billionaires is he's
Speaker 2: also a meta human with mind control powers.
Speaker 1: Like he was a at Yeah.
Speaker 6: Right, so is he the one on the news that
Speaker 6: says liberals and conservatives can get and Erkin agreed that
Speaker 6: Lex Luthor sucks.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I was no love loss between Actual
Speaker 3: Lord and or Never but Never pals.
Speaker 2: But historically he's a bad guy, yes, right, Like he's
Speaker 2: he's a bad guy. Well, well he was a politician,
Speaker 2: which I guess, so he's a bad guy, but he was.
Speaker 1: He was sort of the.
Speaker 3: Guy who like sort of made the JLA into a
Speaker 3: business for a while, and then later on they sort
Speaker 3: of took him more in the dark, like, oh, it
Speaker 3: turns out the reason people agreed to work with him
Speaker 3: is because he was mind controlling them that it was
Speaker 3: a red con.
Speaker 1: But and he's he's Pedro Pascal from Wonder Woman eighty right,
Speaker 1: different character, different character.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, thanks Rob, thanks for coming.
Speaker 1: I was fine with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, okay, So that's that's generally said. Oh and
Speaker 2: of course the dog. Gunn said the dog was the
Speaker 2: starting point of the movie. He said, I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to direct it or write if I couldn't get the
Speaker 2: dog to work.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I am so deeply thankful that he got the
Speaker 2: dog to work, because I'm going to see this movie
Speaker 2: a thousands justification for Rob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually was. He was.
Speaker 3: He was Maxwell Lorenzano, but they basically his his nickname
Speaker 3: was Max Lord. I never really put. I was just
Speaker 3: going to take put. I was just going to take it.
Speaker 3: You're right, points of it.
Speaker 1: I am on my knee right.
Speaker 3: We were all there. We all showed up May before
Speaker 3: and walked out going or probably stood up for a couch.
Speaker 3: It was streaming going exactly what happened. But that's the past.
Speaker 1: Yes, I guess that does also say how much we
Speaker 1: were paying attention. Yes, exactly true.
Speaker 2: Dog comes very much from the Justice League animated or
Speaker 2: Superman the animated series, and the Silver Age comics. Again,
Speaker 2: as Kyle said, when things got weird. Okay, so now
Speaker 2: let's turn our attention to the film.
Speaker 1: Tom.
Speaker 2: You've been You've been quiet because for reasons I imagine
Speaker 2: you haven't read the catalog.
Speaker 1: I've none.
Speaker 2: Okay, but now you're watching this movie. The movie starts
Speaker 2: and we get the setup. We get the setup that
Speaker 2: this is not, blessedly not an origin story. Did you
Speaker 2: feel like you were in good hands as this movie started?
Speaker 2: Did this movie exude confidence?
Speaker 6: I'm of two minds because I was overjoyed that it
Speaker 6: was not an origin story, but I also really had
Speaker 6: trouble getting my footing for a while. We are told,
Speaker 6: in pretty fast moving text about an entire thing that
Speaker 6: happened off camera, about two fake countries and him doing
Speaker 6: something involving the fake countries and all of that just
Speaker 6: sort of being told and going like, go, I didn't.
Speaker 6: It took me a while to understand. And maybe it's
Speaker 6: because the first time you're seeing Superman, he's gotten the
Speaker 6: s beat out of him and he's bleeding. I was
Speaker 6: just sort of like, I don't. I felt like I
Speaker 6: needed a primer to go into the movie. I also
Speaker 6: needed a primer on who is Lex Luthor in this world?
Speaker 6: Like is he have they been battling? Does he know
Speaker 6: that Lex Luthor is behind this? How does he know
Speaker 6: to go right to Lex Luthor's office and say give
Speaker 6: me the dog?
Speaker 1: How did he know that? That was?
Speaker 6: I just didn't know those things. I know who Lex
Speaker 6: Luthor is, but because we sped past the origin story,
Speaker 6: I just didn't know like is he famous? He's got
Speaker 6: an enormous building, but is he known for being a jerk?
Speaker 6: Is he elon musk?
Speaker 1: What is he?
Speaker 6: So it was just hard for me to get my
Speaker 6: footing for a while, and then I mean it took
Speaker 6: a while.
Speaker 1: And then another thing when they.
Speaker 2: Let me just ask though, because this is I think important,
Speaker 2: do you think that you that it's actually worse because
Speaker 2: you know a little. Can you put yourself in that
Speaker 2: space of knowing nothing. Do you think you could have
Speaker 2: gotten up to speed? Because that's what like most movies
Speaker 2: that we've seen, we know nothing and we just go
Speaker 2: for the ride. Part of that, like friction, feels like
Speaker 2: I'm trying to adapt this new thing to past knowledge
Speaker 2: and that's creating cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 6: Maybe, yeah, especially except I feel like Lex Luthor has
Speaker 6: been so many different things at different times, Like I thought,
Speaker 6: has he ever? Has he always been like world famous?
Speaker 1: You can't never say always with the DCA. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but he's been he's been.
Speaker 2: Mister big deal for a long test, he's been mister
Speaker 2: big Deal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think maybe that's a part of it.
Speaker 6: But then also the movie really trusts either me or
Speaker 6: that just it has huge just go with it intentions,
Speaker 6: and eventually I did get it. But it also does
Speaker 6: some interesting things like how are they going to get
Speaker 6: into the Kingdom of Ice Solitude? And they just do
Speaker 6: and it's not explained for so long that it feels
Speaker 6: like a movie mistake. It feels like they just forgot
Speaker 6: about it and they're not going to go back. That's
Speaker 6: not a very satisfying way to tell a story. I
Speaker 6: felt like that a little bit. I felt like the
Speaker 6: movie was rocketing so fast, even before an enormous black
Speaker 6: hole shows up in the middle of the world that
Speaker 6: I was that I was holding on and so I
Speaker 6: just was, Yeah, I was really holding on tight.
Speaker 1: It was hard. For fifteen fifteen minutes in my wife
Speaker 1: turns to me and says, why does this Luther hate
Speaker 1: him so much? And she was in credit to my wife,
Speaker 1: she said this Luthor like she understood, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a different superman, but she's like, why does he hate
Speaker 1: him so much? And I wonder how many people are
Speaker 1: going into this with, you know, and they don't have
Speaker 1: the lore and they don't even have the handle and
Speaker 1: they're like, yo, I'm still trying to unpack the meta
Speaker 1: humans have been around for three hundred years. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that eleven year old was lost.
Speaker 1: Like wait a minute, you mean so the American Revolution
Speaker 1: still come back to that later and there were meta humans?
Speaker 1: What do you mean what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not supposed to think about it, Rob just
Speaker 2: even the question.
Speaker 7: I think there was a synergy with the number three.
Speaker 1: It was the three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that sound good. There was there was a three
Speaker 7: hundred you know, Frank Miller, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yes, well it's coming out of the gate, like it's
Speaker 3: for me. There was already two sins. First of all,
Speaker 3: it's a bad title like Superman. It's just it's a
Speaker 3: bad title. Superman Legacy I thought was more interesting, but
Speaker 3: I guess they they were so lasted of Krypton would
Speaker 3: have made more sense. But like just calling it Superman
Speaker 3: it just seems so lazy to me. This is the
Speaker 3: new number ones Man, I guess, so the new Superman
Speaker 3: number one would have been a great title. That would
Speaker 3: have been a boss anyway. And then and then text
Speaker 3: on screen. I was like, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 3: first thought I had was, hey, this is how Green
Speaker 3: Lantern started.
Speaker 1: We just saw a movie together Kyle that year, the
Speaker 1: same thing and Dress a Part and Dress Perk Birth,
Speaker 1: which never recovered.
Speaker 3: Like it was like, oh, already walking in like I
Speaker 3: don't like this, but I liked that it was sort
Speaker 3: of almost lyrical in terms.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, like the style of the three three and
Speaker 1: then and then boom rights is soaperman dropping.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, all right, I'll give I'll give
Speaker 3: you half a half ason back for that one.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's much more generous to it.
Speaker 6: To your point, Pete, just to and I'm not going
Speaker 6: to keep talking about how I don't know what things are.
Speaker 1: But I also had a little bit of that panic
Speaker 1: of am I supposed to know what Bavaria is? Right? Am?
Speaker 1: I supposed to know what these two places are? Have
Speaker 1: these existed? You know?
Speaker 6: Like? Did I accidentally walk into the second Lord of
Speaker 6: the Rings thinking it was the first one?
Speaker 1: So there was a little bit of a panic about
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 6: So it was just I felt immediately lost, and I
Speaker 6: seeing it again, I would feel a lot more calm
Speaker 6: down about it, but I fell over my head in
Speaker 6: a movie that was trying to make it pretty easy
Speaker 6: for me, but it was hard for a while.
Speaker 2: I I I get it, I do get it, and
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting to hear how the really the
Speaker 2: four of you sort of echo that sentiment and I did.
Speaker 2: That's not the movie I saw, And I think I
Speaker 2: was just so childlike and just lost in exuberance once
Speaker 2: it started that I was willing to wait for the
Speaker 2: for the resolve to how did they get into the
Speaker 2: Fortress of Solitude? Those kinds of questions, why did he
Speaker 2: hate so much well, I was able to wait to
Speaker 2: see that character resolution and and so I I hope
Speaker 2: you all see it again.
Speaker 6: For maybe for the spoon fed, I mean maybe maybe.
Speaker 6: It's it's very much a problem for me and not
Speaker 6: the movie. That's my overall thesis is the failures for
Speaker 6: the movie have more to do with me than the
Speaker 6: movie itself.
Speaker 3: For the for the nerdiest among us, did anyone not
Speaker 3: know why how it got in? Like as soon as
Speaker 3: they as ultramat else did not figure that because from
Speaker 3: the moment it open, if they're doing.
Speaker 1: I had no idea.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, no, it looked very Yes, I I agree
Speaker 7: with you, but I I agree with you in that
Speaker 7: it was very obvious what they were doing. But I
Speaker 7: am going to own up to that. I was at
Speaker 7: that point, uh, really trying to go with it. You know,
Speaker 7: the way the opening scene was everything with Crypto the
Speaker 7: dog dragging him along. We've got internal bleeding.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 7: I started feeling like, Hey, I need to shut some
Speaker 7: of me off or I'm going to be hating on
Speaker 7: this movie. And I did end up shutting off part
Speaker 7: of me that I was like, how did they get
Speaker 7: in there?
Speaker 1: He just walked in there? Like what is that you know?
Speaker 7: So, you know, when the whole thing came round, I
Speaker 7: was just going to trust the movie to explain to
Speaker 7: me what was going on, because.
Speaker 1: I found that I was.
Speaker 7: But what I found I was trying to have effort
Speaker 7: to make sure that I did not get in the
Speaker 7: way of enjoying this movie because because I was initially,
Speaker 7: I found myself resisting, like, hey, this is not Superman
Speaker 7: and I needed to get away from that.
Speaker 1: So I show you fight that from here. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: Make no mistake. I would say this when I started
Speaker 1: with my thing about movie comic books. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I hate movie comic books. I want to learn to
Speaker 1: love them. I need to see this movie again, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to see I need to watch the rest
Speaker 1: of Creature or Commandos, and I need to see Supergirl
Speaker 1: next year. Yes, absolutely, So there's more.
Speaker 3: There's more analoguing everything of like looking for references and
Speaker 3: cameos and you know, like in jokes and that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. And now I can go in, okay now
Speaker 3: that I'm no surprise. Now that I've seen all that,
Speaker 3: I can sort of go in and watch it again
Speaker 3: that way. Also, the Ultraman thing was a double swerve
Speaker 3: because Ultraman is Superman's evil twin from another dimension. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so when it was like they thought, they're like like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're doing an alternate reality Superman, which I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is that's a lot for this movie to hand up,
Speaker 3: Like also there's other dimension. Also there's another Superman. And
Speaker 3: then to have it be make us think that and
Speaker 3: then have it be bizarre was a nice like fanboy
Speaker 3: swerve on their part, So kudos.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was.
Speaker 7: I initially thought when they said Ultramn, I was thinking
Speaker 7: of the alternate universe ultimate and then when they do
Speaker 7: the Pocket Universe thing, which is which is.
Speaker 1: Kind of bleed.
Speaker 7: That you like, like it's part of the interesting thing
Speaker 7: of the motivations of left lu Thor. It's kind of like, look,
Speaker 7: so you're telling me you can do a pocket universe
Speaker 7: and you're still just messing around with trying to kill Superman.
Speaker 1: But that was so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy is junk science. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: sixth Smartest Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh excellent. Okay, let's transition to uh some more
Speaker 2: humanly fair Lowis Lane. Do you have Superman without Lois Lane?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. And this one we have Rachel Browsnahan. Uh,
Speaker 2: the one and only Miss masl How do you feel
Speaker 2: about this one? Was this your lowest lane?
Speaker 1: She is the She is the definitive lowest lane for me,
Speaker 1: she was the best thing about the movie. Are we
Speaker 1: just saying live action live action? She is that? She
Speaker 1: is the definitive live action lowest lane. She's literally the
Speaker 1: best thing. It is brilliant. I want to see more
Speaker 1: of her, please, He's HBO Max do the lowest thing
Speaker 1: like an eight part series about and do and make
Speaker 1: the whole theme investigative journalism. In this universe you can
Speaker 1: have a whole playground with things to say about it.
Speaker 1: Please more and more and more. She is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3: Actually that even that whole crew, like the Daily Clant crew,
Speaker 3: to actually give them something to do in the last
Speaker 3: thing as opposed to be rescued was great because they're
Speaker 3: still continuing to do journalism while Metropolis is literally being
Speaker 3: ripped in half. Concept dedication, right, and ITAs off to
Speaker 3: Jimmy Skyler Gazondo. Jimmy, what do we think about Jimmy Olsen? Uh,
Speaker 3: ladies man, ladies man, Yeah, exactly. That was that was
Speaker 3: a choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the problem.
Speaker 7: I had with that for me was not only a Okay,
Speaker 7: it's like he's always just this nerdy Superman hate Superman
Speaker 7: fan boy character, but and then they make him with
Speaker 7: ladies man, which is is funny, But then I was like, well,
Speaker 7: he's still looks like.
Speaker 1: A Superman fan boy.
Speaker 7: It's not like they you know, got some really handsome
Speaker 7: actor that's like you know, buff and Jack then you
Speaker 7: know chiseled, but you would think of that, right exactly,
Speaker 7: So then you're so then they're doing that, and then
Speaker 7: like even how Lois Lane reacts to him was kind
Speaker 7: of like, really, how are you doing this?
Speaker 1: You with the audience are also like yeah, how is
Speaker 1: how are you doing this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the two sort of interns or whatever like
Speaker 3: look at ever like, hey, check out Jimmy Wilson.
Speaker 1: I was like really, yeah, So I will just say this,
Speaker 1: if you have a daughter of a teen or adult
Speaker 1: age and you talk to them about the current croppings
Speaker 1: of of male suitors, you would understand why they took
Speaker 1: that approim. Yeah, okay, really that's it because it's real,
Speaker 1: it's legit. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, he does have a pretty good track
Speaker 3: record in the comics though, like honestly, Yeah, well.
Speaker 9: I I really like the actor this guy, Like I
Speaker 9: think it's Ono liquors, pizza book, smart vacation, a classic
Speaker 9: neo Rusty in the most recent vacation.
Speaker 1: He's fantastic.
Speaker 2: He's he's really really great and so, uh, I was
Speaker 2: seeing him as a familiar sort of modern young male
Speaker 2: side star right now is I thought it was really
Speaker 2: really charming.
Speaker 1: I think you fit and.
Speaker 2: I think that just leaning in that the the levels
Speaker 2: to which they leaned in on his lady's man appearance.
Speaker 2: Do wonders for that James Gun humor, Like James Gun thinks,
Speaker 2: probably the same thing we do. Like it's it's a
Speaker 2: weird choice, let's do it right, It's just funny.
Speaker 3: So then Eve was Eve miss Testmacker. Yes, Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't see in the credits because they never say
Speaker 3: it on there.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to, yeah, in the credit to give
Speaker 1: her last name.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, yeah, Yeah, that was one of those things
Speaker 3: where like all the way through my wife was going
Speaker 3: come on, like the the status obsessed blonde who take
Speaker 3: with like some rando and taking selfies all the time,
Speaker 3: and then when it pays off that she's been secretly
Speaker 3: like hiding intel on all Lex's operations to blackmail him
Speaker 3: or whatever. It's so like, oh yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: there's more going on here, and I appreciated that.
Speaker 2: Okay, of all the things that you guys have said,
Speaker 2: you had trouble believing initially, did you believe that she
Speaker 2: intended to take those selfies with real information behind her?
Speaker 2: Because it took me a while to figure that out.
Speaker 6: I think so, because she's she's actively weaponizing them. She
Speaker 6: doesn't send the wrong folder. No, I think sends all
Speaker 6: of them. Yeah, but she's she's not saying I'm going
Speaker 6: to send all of my selfies to this guy to
Speaker 6: get back at you.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she seemed to know what she was doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I think you're right. I definitely
Speaker 2: go right. I just didn't catch it, Like that was
Speaker 2: the thing I missed. I was like, this is dumb.
Speaker 2: That's a dumb joke that she just sends selfies. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what I'm supposed to feel, right, I'm
Speaker 2: the dummy, And and Kat Grant and Steve Lombard are there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I guess it's nice to have as
Speaker 1: his group, And.
Speaker 3: Like, why why did you feel the need to have
Speaker 3: them like as part of the action. They don't really
Speaker 3: have a lot of funny things to say or do. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: but you mean like the rest of the news, Well, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's tough though, I mean, I mean you're you're touching
Speaker 1: on I think the problem with so many characters, so
Speaker 1: like here give you a great example. Anybody want to
Speaker 1: take a guess how many minutes is he on screen
Speaker 1: as Clark Kent? Oh, it's less, it's less.
Speaker 7: But then also also here with that too, the question
Speaker 7: that gets even even with that is when the interview
Speaker 7: who is he right?
Speaker 1: Well, Superman the whole time he's.
Speaker 7: Yeah, not the whole time, he goes back and forth.
Speaker 7: He's just answering Superman. He's not dressed Superman, he is ken,
Speaker 7: He's just okay.
Speaker 3: All the time, Superman paying to be Clark, Like go
Speaker 3: back that Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2: Question, Yes, yes, right, Which is why the interview I
Speaker 2: think is so elegant. I think that scene is really
Speaker 2: well written and it allows corn Sweat, who I don't
Speaker 2: know very well, to bounce back and forth between these
Speaker 2: identities and frustration and rage and uncertainty and the entire
Speaker 2: ideology of just wanting to do good when it runs
Speaker 2: into Lois Lane saying maybe doing good every time isn't
Speaker 2: the right strategy. And I think that that was such
Speaker 2: an efficient way to set up these characters. The other
Speaker 2: piece of it too, to Rob's point, for my money,
Speaker 2: having Superman on screen more gives all the other characters
Speaker 2: that I love more to do, because if we see
Speaker 2: a lot of Clark Kent, then it's Clark Kent doing
Speaker 2: journalism stuff, and I don't want to see that necessarily.
Speaker 2: He's a rube as a journalist. Let the journalists be journalists.
Speaker 2: And that's what I That's what I got in this
Speaker 2: movie though.
Speaker 1: But I would say, though if you look back at
Speaker 1: even like a seventy eight Superman, the rube is is
Speaker 1: essential to the character development, of how characters interact and
Speaker 1: how you feel about them later on. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that's lacking for me in this film
Speaker 1: is that I don't understand. I don't fully understand the
Speaker 1: whole newsroom. I don't I have no understanding of his
Speaker 1: relationship with Perry White.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Perry White got said at a string maybe third.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I mean, like at all, Like none
Speaker 1: of this like there's so many other characters going on,
Speaker 1: and for me, again, I'm struggling with that. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's a bad thing. I just did not connect
Speaker 1: with it. Well, yeah, because I was missing those essential
Speaker 1: relations and that's.
Speaker 2: Where I think those are inessential. What this movie proves
Speaker 2: is that they're in essential.
Speaker 3: I think that part of it was like having that
Speaker 3: conversation with him and Lois that early isolates Superman and
Speaker 3: like it's that's the whole thing is that he ends
Speaker 3: up being like, wow, nobody really gets this, nobody understands
Speaker 3: like like even he can't even Man's best friend. He's
Speaker 3: even a very good dog. I mean like he's he's
Speaker 3: a bad dog. He's a bad dog the most of
Speaker 3: the and so always he's just told no and you're
Speaker 3: wrong and you're bad, and he has to just that
Speaker 3: that's the real battle he's fighting. The whole thing is
Speaker 3: like nobody thinks, nobody's on his side and he has
Speaker 3: to just be like, Okay, well that's this is this
Speaker 3: is where I'm going. This is what I'm doing. Even
Speaker 3: his own girlfriend like sort of turns on him in
Speaker 3: that that I.
Speaker 7: Don't know that it turns on him. I don't know
Speaker 7: that she turns on. But then I think that and
Speaker 7: I think we're all grappling here with Then I was
Speaker 7: I was going to ask this as a question, but
Speaker 7: I feel now that you've already actually you all have
Speaker 7: answered it is that to me, the power of that
Speaker 7: interview was it helped set in this universe.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is this superman? How does this one work?
Speaker 7: You know, like because that that the dialogue and back
Speaker 7: and forth and then you know him really just kind
Speaker 7: of stressing but people would die, you know, as as
Speaker 7: a modern cynic, you're like, yes, but there's more because
Speaker 7: because I really feel that most of us would think
Speaker 7: more like Lois Lane, like hey yeah, there is more
Speaker 7: to consider than people would die. But it actually that
Speaker 7: that conversation helps kind of level set how this superman
Speaker 7: views the world and it allows you to kind of
Speaker 7: at least for me especially, it allowed me to then Okay,
Speaker 7: I can now hop on the journey with this with
Speaker 7: this superman and then say, okay, now I understand what
Speaker 7: your worldview is and how you're seeing things, so then
Speaker 7: I can then uh, you know, follow along and go
Speaker 7: with you. The argument wasn't you shouldn't just always do good.
Speaker 7: It's you. You don't get to decide what is good unilaterally.
Speaker 7: It was that seemed to be the main part of
Speaker 7: He just decided what the answer was and did it
Speaker 7: without consulting anyone. So the idea of saying that Superman
Speaker 7: needs a team does bring him into the fold and
Speaker 7: takes away from him just being a planet puncher that
Speaker 7: is too powerful and therefore not no fun, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean. If he's if he's just too powerful,
Speaker 7: if he can spend the world, the time goes backwards.
Speaker 7: I think that was a thing that was right either way.
Speaker 7: But yeah, so I like that, and that he does
Speaker 7: need help from other people is an important thing to
Speaker 7: make him relatable and kind of interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sorry.
Speaker 3: He builds his support system as the movie goes, even
Speaker 3: though he's already well established as Superman by the pinally
Speaker 3: we meet him.
Speaker 2: That the moment I mean, I think one of the
Speaker 2: most fun moments for me is when Guy steps up
Speaker 2: to Superman.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The fact that that no one on the you know,
Speaker 2: the Justice Gang is necessarily afraid of Superman, right, That's
Speaker 2: this movie does an able job of level setting our
Speaker 2: meta humans in a way that Superman may be a
Speaker 2: prime among peers, but not be necessarily because of power,
Speaker 2: but because of ideology. And that's useful. That's useful to
Speaker 2: start a frant in a new franchise. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: what a great choice. I like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: been Nathan Fillia fan, but what a great choice to
Speaker 2: not only have him as Guy Gardner, but have the
Speaker 2: classic Guy Gardner of life, like takes no crap from anybody, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just absolutely absolutely fearless to the point of reckless,
Speaker 2: and and and disliked, like he is not a fan
Speaker 2: like in terms of like the world and he could
Speaker 2: care less.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was brilliant.
Speaker 3: Just even in the that final fight of him, we
Speaker 3: see him do circles and cubes and walls up too
Speaker 3: and then just middle fingers to.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 3: That's just absolutely a fundamental understanding of that character.
Speaker 1: That was so perfect.
Speaker 7: You know, there was one question I had, I guess
Speaker 7: I'm gonna uh couches to Tommy, since you are the
Speaker 7: least comic book nerd amongst us, was there any did
Speaker 7: you have any issues with accepting that this green Land
Speaker 7: was either not not how Jordan, but was Guy Gardner
Speaker 7: and what's different or were you at any point in
Speaker 7: time were you watching this Green Lander and thinking, well,
Speaker 7: why is any acting like the other green Lanterns that
Speaker 7: I'm aware of, Because.
Speaker 6: Yes, all of those things went through my head. And
Speaker 6: then and then at some point I think someone says
Speaker 6: the lanterns, yeah plural, and I was like, oh, there's
Speaker 6: more than one.
Speaker 1: This is something I should ask Ocean about later. And
Speaker 1: then I forgot.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I was sort of by that point. By
Speaker 6: the time he comes in, I was like, I'm not
Speaker 6: I don't know everything that's going on, but I just
Speaker 6: have to trust the system. And I love Nathan Fillia,
Speaker 6: and I thought what I liked him and his team
Speaker 6: and everything. So by that point I had given up
Speaker 6: and I better understood, Oh, Russia, Ukraine, No, it's not that,
Speaker 6: but I get it like everything else, that a lot
Speaker 6: of other things had fallen into place. So I was
Speaker 6: much calmer by that point of the movie. But no,
Speaker 6: at first I didn't understand why he was a jerk,
Speaker 6: and I was like, I didn't see the Ryan Reynolds one,
Speaker 6: but I was like, he seems like a weird choice,
Speaker 6: and what's that haircut? And I didn't know that there
Speaker 6: was more than one lantern man, but now I do.
Speaker 2: There's so many lantern really, this franchise is going to go.
Speaker 2: They're like, there's space cops and they're like, but there's
Speaker 2: just some couple that are desicated to Earth and get
Speaker 2: ready they have all different colors.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh yeah there's that too. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: just just the green lanterns. Yeah yeah, uh okay.
Speaker 2: So at this point, and I know, Tom, you've already
Speaker 2: said that you were kind of lost at the beginning,
Speaker 2: and I as I'm watching this, because you've got all
Speaker 2: of you are in my head as I'm watching this movie,
Speaker 2: and I thought, okay, so I'm watching along in so far,
Speaker 2: we've got flying things, there's Kaiju fight. I thought, I
Speaker 2: think Tom can kind of truck with this, and I
Speaker 2: think there's enough character stuff that I I think Tom
Speaker 2: is going to be okay. And then we meet the
Speaker 2: Pocket dimension and I said, Tom's never going to watch
Speaker 2: a movie for me again.
Speaker 1: Well, oh, come on, he's seen he's seen cabin in.
Speaker 6: I was still on my back heels when I learned
Speaker 6: that there are portals because I didn't remember.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand Flutethrow.
Speaker 6: So I was like, do we know that portals exist,
Speaker 6: and I guess we do, because Lois just puts on
Speaker 6: the front page pocket to mention and no one goes.
Speaker 1: They all to read the paper.
Speaker 6: So again, I wasn't never quite grounded in what do
Speaker 6: people know? What don't they?
Speaker 1: There was, really but all of that stuff in the
Speaker 1: fight with his clone, all of that stuff. There was
Speaker 1: one thing that I wish wasn't in the movie.
Speaker 6: And it's so important to the movie that it's sacrilegious
Speaker 6: to say, but the idea of the fissure, this nonsense
Speaker 6: black hole river tearing a city apart. It's too big.
Speaker 6: It makes the movie too frenetic, and it's just too
Speaker 6: apocalyptic for me to see whole buildings falling against buildings
Speaker 6: like dominoes. That's old.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's a James Gun thing. It's certainly a Snyder thing,
Speaker 6: and it's just too much for me to have an entire,
Speaker 6: huge building fall. But it's okay because that one lady
Speaker 6: in a Mazda captain gets there in time, holds it up.
Speaker 1: But it's like, well they not everyone made it out
Speaker 1: of that building. I can't know.
Speaker 3: They made a point that Metropolis had been evacuated well,
Speaker 3: they said, but everyone everybody that was basically telling the audience, hey,
Speaker 3: we're about to wreck up, because that's a very big
Speaker 3: thing in Man of Steel leading into Batman v. Superman
Speaker 3: is Superman does not care. He will punch people through
Speaker 3: buildings and knock buildings down. There are people those buildings,
Speaker 3: and he does not care. And so this was deliberately
Speaker 3: set up as saying like, look, there, we're gonna blow
Speaker 3: some stuff up now, but it's okay because there are
Speaker 3: no civilians being hurt.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just worried about the budget. It's not I
Speaker 1: can't stand it. It's too much construction. But but I
Speaker 1: will tell you so that you just hit on two
Speaker 1: points that I really wanted to make. Was Number one,
Speaker 1: the people in this movie. The citizens don't seem to
Speaker 1: be phased by you talked about that in Incredible Hall
Speaker 1: Mar We've been it too. I mean, they're they're not
Speaker 1: phased by.
Speaker 3: Guy still like, well, can't close the coffee shop.
Speaker 1: And it's like what exactly wait, which I which I
Speaker 1: don't understand. Okay, but but then here's the thing, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop this. I'm gonna drop this here. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a live action movie, and I understand,
Speaker 1: and I understand this is not a comic book movie.
Speaker 1: I understand this is a movie comic book. When you
Speaker 1: do things that that change the law physics, I am
Speaker 1: gonna get kind of taken out of it. And when
Speaker 1: you just made the point about he's holding up a
Speaker 1: building on its side for one car to escape, all
Speaker 1: I had was my my moment in Shazam where he
Speaker 1: catches a bus by the windshield, and I went, I'm
Speaker 1: out because guess what, Because here's the deal. If you
Speaker 1: want to do that kind of stuff, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you can't do that stuff, but then go ahead
Speaker 1: and make your animated into the superverse, because I don't
Speaker 1: need that in a In a live action movie.
Speaker 3: Big bullets work like a big frazzle thing. Hitting a
Speaker 3: small hard thing is just gonna break the bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Like I got to tell you, that's
Speaker 1: one of my lowest points in this movie is that
Speaker 1: there's things here that I don't know why this is
Speaker 1: in a live action movie. No matter what the tone is,
Speaker 1: no matter what you're trying to do, you eject me
Speaker 1: out of it at that moment.
Speaker 2: It's it's a sad scenario that we all actually know
Speaker 2: what it looks like when giant buildings fall, and I understood, right, like,
Speaker 2: that's that's the sad case I think that you're making,
Speaker 2: like I know what it looks like, and they don't
Speaker 2: fall like that. And when the guy hits it, when
Speaker 2: when Superman's holding it up, the bricks would fall around
Speaker 2: him and he would be they'd fly up and be fire,
Speaker 2: She'd be dead. But I was okay with it at
Speaker 2: this point. I don't know why we need that anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like right, we've gotten to the point now it's just
Speaker 2: like like, oh, yeah, buildings fall, cool, Like.
Speaker 1: I see and I'm and I'm with you. I didn't
Speaker 1: expect to be on the side like I'm excited. Like,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna if you're not even gonna be realistic,
Speaker 1: even to a modicum of realism, don't do it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't do it.
Speaker 2: They I want to go back to the evacuation because
Speaker 2: I think that was more than than necessarily virtue signaling
Speaker 2: signaling against Snyder. What I think it does in the
Speaker 2: fabric of the movie is it makes the one brutal
Speaker 2: assassination more impactful. Right, There is a point where a
Speaker 2: guy is assassinated at gunpoint, and I didn't expect it
Speaker 2: in this movie. I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have strong feelings against it. Others have. I'm
Speaker 2: curious your take on it.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you how I traumatized my daughter in
Speaker 3: two hours because she was she knows her superheroes, like
Speaker 3: she watches a bunch of the animated stuff and so
Speaker 3: she's she knows the characters and things too already, Like
Speaker 3: like Tommy was saying from the jump, was like, what
Speaker 3: who hit Superman? Why isn't down? Like why are they
Speaker 3: called the Justice Gang? I mean all they thinks.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're in a movie theater.
Speaker 3: We can talk about all this on the car ride home.
Speaker 3: But when we got to the super Gulag, the the
Speaker 3: prison in there, she was out and she was horrified
Speaker 3: and she was covering her face and crying and like
Speaker 3: a Superman movie absolutely wrecked her. Like from that point,
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, oh, I have made
Speaker 3: a terrible choice. Like I was like, do I take
Speaker 3: her to a Fantastic four? Do I take her to Superman?
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's Superman, it's bright, it's got crypto and
Speaker 3: then we get to Siberia and we get to you know,
Speaker 3: playing Russian Roulette, and everyone's saying shit, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh I, I didn't realize this. And so she ends
Speaker 3: up curled up on her mother's lap weeping during the
Speaker 3: final thing because she's seeing Superman you buried the lead
Speaker 3: time she gets a Superman being pounded into the ground.
Speaker 3: She was like, I don't want to be here anymore.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I've made a terrible choice.
Speaker 1: James Gunn, nobody expected wait, wait, nobody expected an on
Speaker 1: screen headshot in this movie. You could have not put
Speaker 1: it on screen. And I don't care if you go
Speaker 1: back one hundred yards and you zoom out, there is
Speaker 1: an on screen headshot in this movie. That's so who
Speaker 1: was this movie not made for? Uh?
Speaker 3: Sweet little eleven year old girls who just love Superman. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you had promised her, don't worry. How nothing's gonna
Speaker 3: happen to that.
Speaker 1: Man, your father. He's got a dog. The dog, the dog. Wait,
Speaker 1: wait and hold on. Do you want to know? Do
Speaker 1: you want to know something that's really screwed up? You've
Speaker 1: heard the stories that they cut the scene of Crypto
Speaker 1: getting punched in the face. So in test audiences there
Speaker 1: is a scene where he gets punched in the face.
Speaker 1: The crowd went no, and they cut it. This is
Speaker 1: this is I will see the floor. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the James gunn of it that that I have
Speaker 1: a problem with.
Speaker 7: But isn't that just also another example of where like
Speaker 7: an and uh, when you're test me movies, even horror
Speaker 7: movies or anything else, you can kill all the people
Speaker 7: in the world, but the dog has to live. That's right,
Speaker 7: I know, But because because I would argue that if
Speaker 7: you're you have a problem with the with Crip getting punched,
Speaker 7: you should also have a problem with this headshot. Test
Speaker 7: audience should have reacted. You shouldn't have had the same
Speaker 7: reaction to both. But if they don't, it's like you
Speaker 7: can kill people all you want to, but don't don't
Speaker 7: mess with that dog.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, sorry, one dog got thrown like having her
Speaker 8: next to be just like no, of course, like why
Speaker 8: why is su prevented that river of death?
Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know, don't you know?
Speaker 2: You should take her? You should show her the kingsman.
Speaker 2: That'll be a I made that the substance.
Speaker 1: Yet we're gonna watch it tonight. That's good.
Speaker 3: Oh and then then an old Boy tomorrow, so it'd
Speaker 3: be a good time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, you're dead. She's done with you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well.
Speaker 2: We've talked about Green Lantern, mister Terrific, Hawk Girl, and
Speaker 2: Metamorpho element what they call him element Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they call it element Man, which is which is
Speaker 3: just like sort of like Man of Steel. That's his,
Speaker 3: that's his, Like it's Metamorpho the element Man.
Speaker 2: What do we think of of how those last two?
Speaker 2: I think Hawk poor Hawk Girl get it got a
Speaker 2: little bit ripped a little bit. But when she's got
Speaker 2: when she dropped that to it, I was like, that's
Speaker 2: one hundred percent hot girl, Like, yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 1: Wait until wait until they do the deep dive of
Speaker 1: that character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's story. There is story.
Speaker 1: If Tommy doesn't know. If Tommy doesn't know, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna get really interested.
Speaker 3: When they said when they had a big deal about
Speaker 3: Super being an alien, I'm like, Hawk Girl's right there.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I wonder which version they're going with.
Speaker 1: It's it's no if you I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: seen this. The actress I forget her name, she did
Speaker 1: an interview where she talked about it's a combination. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here it's not spoilers or anything. The character is
Speaker 1: a character who takes their own life and then the
Speaker 1: spirit of the alien one assumes the body whoa So
Speaker 1: that's how they're doing it. And wait until I saw
Speaker 1: Ocean Ocean, just.
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, I'm comfortable with alien hot girl, that's the
Speaker 7: one I'm that's that's that's my thought.
Speaker 1: That's my thought.
Speaker 7: It was, which which was my which also was my
Speaker 7: in the in the universe of the movie itself was
Speaker 7: part of my quibo was I was like, well, Hawkgir
Speaker 7: is an alien, so should and Luthor also hate her
Speaker 7: as much too, but but he does. But then then
Speaker 7: they have one scene where she you know that she's
Speaker 7: just sitting there hanging out reading reading what reading a
Speaker 7: journal in the in the Hall of Justice, and you
Speaker 7: know they don't have the wings. It's just so the
Speaker 7: wings are attracted. So I was like, okay, well, maybe
Speaker 7: they chose the human one.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 7: I couldn't tell what it was, but I knew that
Speaker 7: hawk Girl was an alien, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 7: there should be more of this. But also getting back
Speaker 7: to everything and This is where I was able to
Speaker 7: handle how during the Kaiju fight, everybody's doing selfies and
Speaker 7: the coffee shop miss stay open. When they opened with
Speaker 7: three hundred years of meta Humans, you know, then at
Speaker 7: that point, no one on screen would They wouldn't even
Speaker 7: know anyone or have any relatives or even no old relatives.
Speaker 7: That would be like, what was it like before meta humans?
Speaker 7: So this would be a thing they see all the time.
Speaker 7: So I and I think that they're trying to give
Speaker 7: you a little glimpse of that in a moderate the
Speaker 7: comedic moment when what is it when the Justice Gang
Speaker 7: is fighting that light the space Imp. Yeah, the Space
Speaker 7: Imp and and you know, and Clark and sorry Superman
Speaker 7: and Lowest Decidest time to have a conversation about their
Speaker 7: relationship and that fight is going on in the background.
Speaker 7: And I don't know about you guys, but I during
Speaker 7: the first during first off, during that whole scene, all
Speaker 7: I could think of was a baby group dancing around
Speaker 7: to and I wanted to you know, I wanted some
Speaker 7: electric light or orchestra playing. But but aside from that,
Speaker 7: I think that it was also the VVSB. Other deeper
Speaker 7: part of that was to show in this universe. Yes,
Speaker 7: this is how it is. They've always because some meta
Speaker 7: humans have been around this long, this type of stuff
Speaker 7: would happen all the time, and so they would just
Speaker 7: like they would just be like, yeah, it's over there again.
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Did you did you miss the scene when
Speaker 1: I was watching that, I'm thinking when he used to
Speaker 1: starts using the baseball bat on the alien, Yes, I was.
Speaker 1: I honestly, God thought that they were going to go
Speaker 1: to a shot of them in the battle and going, God,
Speaker 1: use a baseball bat like that again, so comic like that.
Speaker 2: That just reinforces the movie comic books of it.
Speaker 1: That just felt.
Speaker 3: Obviously the Justice Gang shows up and immediately it is
Speaker 3: like go for the eyes and.
Speaker 1: Like, could we just maybe just take it away?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, oh apparently I didn't like that time all.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah he said that was ready.
Speaker 7: We want to so you don't don't fill alone.
Speaker 1: There's something thumb shape he hates to what I thought.
Speaker 2: I do want to say, just on the performances Anthony Kerrigan,
Speaker 2: we don't get a chance to see Anthony Kerrigan really
Speaker 2: shine as Metamorpho in this movie, but I hope that
Speaker 2: he gets a chance to shine later. I loved him
Speaker 2: as Victors As in Gotham. I was a big fan
Speaker 2: of his performance in that show, and I am thrilled
Speaker 2: that he actually gets something, uh you know on the
Speaker 2: big screen like this. Uh and Eddie Gath as mister
Speaker 2: Terrific Uh for is it for all mankind?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's out his dandy.
Speaker 10: His fight on the sand was my favorite that I've
Speaker 10: never seen the tea spears use as a weapon like that,
Speaker 10: and I thought that was imaginative and honest, honest though
Speaker 10: it did take me, there was a part of the
Speaker 10: greatness of that scene is it made me then want
Speaker 10: to say, Okay, well, can the rest of this movie?
Speaker 7: Can we just follow him and just you know, like
Speaker 7: we'll just catch up with Superman at the end. Just
Speaker 7: let' let's see what mister Terrific does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he gets a movie out of this, right,
Speaker 2: lay our money?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Like yeah Justice Gang? Yeah, well I want that
Speaker 1: on this movie. Please tell me.
Speaker 7: I know it's not done up, but I want Guy
Speaker 7: to win the argument I wanted to do Gang. I
Speaker 7: know it's not gonna happen, but I just, oh, that's
Speaker 7: part of me that wants it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we have not talked about it, and
Speaker 3: I want to just see you just as it as
Speaker 3: you know, does anyone have a problem with this Superman
Speaker 3: like honestly, like from the jump, I was like, this
Speaker 3: is Superman, Like I never once went he's doing a
Speaker 3: nice job of acting. I mean, I know Rachel Bresnahan
Speaker 3: from from a bunch of things, but ye, like and
Speaker 3: I thought like, oh, she's doing a really good job
Speaker 3: as lowis, but like from not one time and the
Speaker 3: whole thing that I will like, he's doing a nice
Speaker 3: job of acting super Man.
Speaker 1: Like he just was Superman. I loved him, and I
Speaker 1: think he has dimples of steel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who is a longtime DC writers said that, you
Speaker 3: know something very similar where he's just like this is
Speaker 3: He's like, this is the most Superman I've ever seen
Speaker 3: on screen.
Speaker 2: And I need to bring up a list of all
Speaker 2: of the actors who have played Superman on screen. Let's see,
Speaker 2: we have the Dean Kine, of course, I think is
Speaker 2: the essential Superman. Oh yeah, obviously Christopher Reeve. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing I found watching corn Sweat in this movie.
Speaker 2: I didn't miss any of the other Superman that I liked, right,
Speaker 2: I didn't miss him. I didn't even think about him,
Speaker 2: And only now do I think, poor Henry Cavill.
Speaker 7: I knowing, well, did you did you not like any
Speaker 7: of those portrayals at the time. You know, while I
Speaker 7: agree that I think David Cornsett did a good job,
Speaker 7: I'm I am hard pressed also to do when I think,
Speaker 7: especially from a movie standpoint, well, there wasn't one that
Speaker 7: I hated, Like, was there one? Is there anyone that's
Speaker 7: done this that you were like? I mean I even
Speaker 7: liked Randon Ralph. I get that the movie work, but
Speaker 7: what he was trying to do with like, I think
Speaker 7: he did a good job with what he was being handed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, good news your Superman, bad news, you're a
Speaker 1: deadbeat dad? Do I have to right? No?
Speaker 2: I absolutely liked him.
Speaker 1: I liked him.
Speaker 2: I liked Tyler Hackland was on is the Superman on Supergirl.
Speaker 2: He actually was a great Superman. Tom Welling a Smallville
Speaker 2: great Superman. Like they I think they all have it.
Speaker 2: But again I didn't miss any of them. Especially I
Speaker 2: was worried I was going to go in and say,
Speaker 2: I wish this was Henry Cavill, because he was He's
Speaker 2: he just sort of defines modern Superman. Face and now
Speaker 2: David corn sweat is it.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. For this type of Superman,
Speaker 1: he is perfect, He's perfect edue Kenrick Cavill would be.
Speaker 7: It would be hard to see Cavell if they switched
Speaker 7: it to this version, because the Henry Cavill is great
Speaker 7: for that. If we're going to make a brooding Superman,
Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's what I want my brooding Superman
Speaker 7: to look like, Like yeah, like that, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: For Nicholas Cage, I could still take a Nicholas Case.
Speaker 2: He like minutes he did five minutes seconds second.
Speaker 1: I'd take a Nicholas Case Superman movie right now. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: I would take value alone.
Speaker 2: The the score has been a bit of controversy. I
Speaker 2: think there are a lot of folks out there who
Speaker 2: have been writing spilling barrels of ink on. The idea
Speaker 2: for John Murphy and David Fleming comes from from Gunn
Speaker 2: who says you have to reinforce the Superman heritage by
Speaker 2: integrating John Williams themes into this.
Speaker 3: And this was done much better in terms of incorporating
Speaker 3: it than Drisic Park Address World Rebirth, which had one
Speaker 3: of the most laugh out loud needle drops in the
Speaker 3: entire series of movies, so not once I would go like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is not the right time to use the Superman thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I actually quite liked it. It's also not
Speaker 2: the first time that they did it. They also did it.
Speaker 2: I think I'm Man of Steel was it was the
Speaker 2: Brandon Ruth one routh one, and so.
Speaker 3: It's not that that's supposed to be a sequel. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's supposed to be five, right, right.
Speaker 2: I actually I've been listening to the score all morning,
Speaker 2: and I actually quite.
Speaker 1: Oh that's fun.
Speaker 2: I really like it. I find it it integrates very
Speaker 2: very well the original theme and some really modern orchestration.
Speaker 2: We get some real drums, we get some some electric guitar.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of stuff in there that I
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't have expected. So where do we stand
Speaker 2: on the score. It is as important, I think, to Superman.
Speaker 2: The music is as important to Superman as this William
Speaker 2: score to Star Wars from making the movie complete. And
Speaker 2: I'm curious if you felt that way that lived up
Speaker 2: to itself here.
Speaker 1: I found it over used a little bit too much.
Speaker 1: You know, there's three I think there's three logo screen passes.
Speaker 1: In the film that might be one too many, right,
Speaker 1: And and I thought that the theme was overused a
Speaker 1: few times. It seemed like it was too much because
Speaker 1: you can't well again, because then what what you get
Speaker 1: is you get what happened in Jurassic World like it. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. I think it's great. I do want to
Speaker 1: listen to it, because I don't. I think I was
Speaker 1: so focused on the craziness of what was happening, I
Speaker 1: didn't listen enough. And I do want to hear it.
Speaker 3: And then of Chris James Dunn always with a good playlist,
Speaker 3: so yeah, didn't didn't go super heavy like Guardians, but
Speaker 3: just a couple of you know, songs placed along the
Speaker 3: way that I was like, well, this is a good choice,
Speaker 3: like even a lot of stuff I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Oh did you know the was it the crab Jays
Speaker 2: crab Joys. I turns out I love that song. I've
Speaker 2: had that The Mighty crab Joy's theme is on the.
Speaker 7: Written it's great. They're not real, right, okay? Because I
Speaker 7: thought you were about to say that, did you know
Speaker 7: they were real? And I was like, no, I thought
Speaker 7: they were made up.
Speaker 2: No, they were it's a it's it's a it's a banger,
Speaker 2: anything else that you came into this conversation really really
Speaker 2: hoping you could rant about before we get to our ratio. Oh,
Speaker 2: Rob is raising his hand.
Speaker 1: Rob, So I would like to say this. Here's the
Speaker 1: biggest reason. The biggest problem I had with this movie
Speaker 1: is twenty six years ago, I walked into a movie
Speaker 1: theater and I saw one of my favorite movies of
Speaker 1: all time. There is a print of it on the
Speaker 1: wall with the small character holding up the action comics
Speaker 1: number one. It is not the first time that Superman's
Speaker 1: origin has been tweaked. Where in this movie spoiler, it
Speaker 1: has found out that his parents have sent him to
Speaker 1: the Earth to conquer it and to overtake it because
Speaker 1: we're what okay. And as soon as that happened, I
Speaker 1: sat there and went, oh, my god, guess what iron
Speaker 1: giant who aspires to be Superman? Superman is you? And
Speaker 1: that kind of blew my mind and I didn't know
Speaker 1: exactly how to take it. And again, not the first
Speaker 1: time this has been done. I think Smallville waded into this,
Speaker 1: but it's the first time I've seen it on screen.
Speaker 1: And then later on in the movie, Superman has a
Speaker 1: conversation with his father that is literally almost word for word,
Speaker 1: the conversation Hogarth has with the Iron Giant literally almost
Speaker 1: word for work. And I went, and what's happened here?
Speaker 1: I don't know how to process that? And I'm honestly
Speaker 1: surprised there's not more people talking about this. It's literally
Speaker 1: beat for beat. You choose who you want to be.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a gun. You choose whoa
Speaker 1: was that that had to have been intentional and why,
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure I like any of that.
Speaker 3: I know why, and I think Ocean does too, because
Speaker 3: that will be that will be drowned out by the
Speaker 3: people going, hey, that's Invincible, because that's what it is.
Speaker 3: They like honestly, Robert Kirkman like watch super Stuff. He's like, hey,
Speaker 3: what if Superman instead of it was actually set to
Speaker 3: invade and conquer the planet. And so that's Invincible's origin story,
Speaker 3: which now everybody's not watching in the animated series, and
Speaker 3: now they're like, hey what if Superman? They were set
Speaker 3: down like, yes, not only has Invincible done this and
Speaker 3: years ago and there's aid serious about it, but also
Speaker 3: The Adventures of Superman, which is on HBO Max right
Speaker 3: now is also doing this story.
Speaker 1: So when this shows up, I was the same thing.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's like like this is not new or interesting
Speaker 3: or different, like, yeah, we we've seen this, so what
Speaker 3: that comes as a big thundering revelation. I was like, Oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so you just stole from the people who stole who
Speaker 3: were inspired by you.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, but okay, So then I and I will
Speaker 1: just say though, I went back and watched the Iron
Speaker 1: Giant scene and and I'm seriously shocked at how much
Speaker 1: the beat it matches beating It.
Speaker 3: Could very well be could we that he you know,
Speaker 3: as a movie fan, he wants it's up to. But
Speaker 3: that's not what he was gonna be talking about. They're
Speaker 3: gonna going like, of course, what's.
Speaker 1: Over on Amazon Prime They're doing the exact same story.
Speaker 1: Yeah that I guess. So, I mean, like for me,
Speaker 1: and this is this is the thing, This is like
Speaker 1: my clothes up on, this is I am blown away.
Speaker 1: Like again, I still can't believe lois how great she is.
Speaker 1: I can't believe how some of the performances are right
Speaker 1: and and like and there's little notes like one little
Speaker 1: thing that I actually noticed in the film. And then
Speaker 1: I and then I went online to check it out.
Speaker 1: In the plaza of Metropolis there is the Metropolitan, the
Speaker 1: Metropolis Museum of Modern Art. You'll see it in the background.
Speaker 1: This exhibit is named after two of the guys who
Speaker 1: were the writers of the comic book where they introduced
Speaker 1: the phrase look up in the sky, it's a bird,
Speaker 1: it's a plane, it's Superman. The graphic on the wall
Speaker 1: promoting it is a pattern that has birds transforming into plants,
Speaker 1: and you'll notice it on the part where he hits
Speaker 1: the ground, so literally the scene is it's a bird.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that's brilliant and and and
Speaker 1: I am so fighting with myself even after this conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't I no further no what to make or
Speaker 1: think of this movie.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, No, Kyle, did you have more
Speaker 2: you'd like to add to the right?
Speaker 1: Said, I've said a lot, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Essentially with what I I'm always done to is that
Speaker 3: James Gunn is one of those guys who if you
Speaker 3: go from where he started out, uh even and and
Speaker 3: you know you could, and please don't go read his tweets,
Speaker 3: he'd ask you not to from where he start out
Speaker 3: from trauma from you know, as being like a young
Speaker 3: punk like I'm gonna I'm gonna take up the establishment
Speaker 3: kind of guy and very I would say probably, he
Speaker 3: would even say maybe misogynistic, I mean just for it
Speaker 3: and gross out stuff. To to where he is now
Speaker 3: is incredible, Like the the amount of work he has
Speaker 3: done and evolution has done, and the fact that like
Speaker 3: he is a much more put together, reserved and pleasant
Speaker 3: to be around, and you know it has like a
Speaker 3: no BS policy on his sets and stuff too. Is
Speaker 3: is a great and I don't want to take anything
Speaker 3: away from that, but that guy's still in there, and
Speaker 3: every once in a while something comes out and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, man, like every one of his movies
Speaker 3: is a little bit better, but there's always like it's
Speaker 3: like like twenty five percent where I'm like just why,
Speaker 3: just why.
Speaker 1: Like even was.
Speaker 3: Talking with a friend of mine. He was like he's
Speaker 3: like yeah, he's like someone will say something really poignant
Speaker 3: and then there'll be a fart joke and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's all. It's like he's confident and then we'll pull
Speaker 3: back and just be like but also something weird, also
Speaker 3: something gross, also something inappropriate. You can go yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: and it's the percentage is getting smaller, but it's always there.
Speaker 3: And there's all like and so like stuff in the
Speaker 3: in the gulag and like you know, Superman vomiting up
Speaker 3: pieces of engineering stuff too. It was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: did we need this?
Speaker 1: Like all right? So I like that.
Speaker 3: There's certain things along the way where just going along
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's just like all of
Speaker 3: a sudden like and I don't want to you know,
Speaker 3: this is the whole tour thing. And he wrote it,
Speaker 3: he directed it, he produced it, like and he wrote
Speaker 3: you know some of the music. I mean, like I
Speaker 3: I it's a lot of him, I know, but I
Speaker 3: know a movie is a combination of things. But there's
Speaker 3: always something in from from Guardians one, two three, there's
Speaker 3: all these things that are not just like I wish
Speaker 3: you wouldn't dub it, but like god why And there's
Speaker 3: a couple of those things in here too that that
Speaker 3: make me feel that. And it's so that's why I'm
Speaker 3: sorry with Rob too, is like I'm I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that this is the big, hopeful, bright colored
Speaker 3: Superman that I wanted interact with a bunch of heroes great,
Speaker 3: and there's just something that's that I can't quite wrap
Speaker 3: my head around and fully embrace it in a way
Speaker 3: that I can like with a lot of the Marvel
Speaker 3: not all of Marvel movies, but a lot of mar movies,
Speaker 3: I can just go like, all all fantastic, all good,
Speaker 3: you're gonna love it, and then to go. But there's
Speaker 3: that butt just stays with me.
Speaker 2: Let me let me poke at just one that I
Speaker 2: think probably stuck out for you, and h this will
Speaker 2: be it happened at the very end, This will this
Speaker 2: is a good time, at the very end of our
Speaker 2: conversation to poke at it. We have the teaser for Supergirl,
Speaker 2: and I'm very much looking forward to that movie. And
Speaker 2: I have a feeling that you and I don't agree
Speaker 2: about Supergirl's presence. When she shows up, she is drunk,
Speaker 2: she's you know, she's stumbling around, and her last line
Speaker 2: is thanks for watching my dog, bitch.
Speaker 1: I was like, I did not have someone called superredda bitch.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, okay, it's family. Family is complicated.
Speaker 2: I totally I was with it the whole time.
Speaker 3: On once it's established that he was dog sitting, I
Speaker 3: was like this just made this movie so much better
Speaker 3: because it wasn't his dog. Of course, it wouldn't listen
Speaker 3: to him. It was never his dog. I was like,
Speaker 3: that was such a brilliant touch. And I've read the
Speaker 3: comic book that they're adapting for Supergirls, so when she
Speaker 3: shows up, I was like, oh, yeah, that's right out
Speaker 3: of superber World. Like it's it's like, that's actually they're
Speaker 3: doing exactly that, and I was fine with that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: spredda bitch. As like the last as the movie ends,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay.
Speaker 1: We were dying, dying in the theater.
Speaker 6: And for the record, he doesn't say that he had not.
Speaker 6: He says it's a foster situation and in because that's
Speaker 6: my dog's mate and I forget in public.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go around real quick and do what
Speaker 2: we do. This is our duty. We have to letterbox
Speaker 2: di letterbox dot com slash the next realitory you can
Speaker 2: find our HQ page out of five stars, half stars
Speaker 2: count for all of you rubes yourself, I'm I'm whole
Speaker 2: stars only, but that's okay. I don't look down on
Speaker 2: you guys at all.
Speaker 6: Tommy, I am giving it three and a half with
Speaker 6: a heart, and with the chance that if I see
Speaker 6: it again, that it might actually move up more now
Speaker 6: that I know where to meet it and I understand
Speaker 6: the world better. Oceans comment of this has been going
Speaker 6: on for three hundred years. So yes, people are okay
Speaker 6: with portals and monsters, and that's why they keep eating
Speaker 6: yogurt when their city is being torn in half. And
Speaker 6: so you know, now that I understand the vibe more
Speaker 6: a little bit, I think maybe I would unders feel
Speaker 6: better about that. I will path fast forward through some
Speaker 6: of the huge fisher stuff that's just the stuff that
Speaker 6: was just too big, too apocalyptic for me. But three
Speaker 6: and a half and a very happy to give it
Speaker 6: a heart because its heart is so in the right
Speaker 6: place and it's got a real neat message of people
Speaker 6: are people, it doesn't matter where they're from. People are people,
Speaker 6: and do your best all that and and journalism is important, yes.
Speaker 2: It's the truth is important. I'm going to ask you.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question, and I think
Speaker 2: everybody should answer this question too, because I think it's
Speaker 2: an important one. This is the beginning of Peter Saffron
Speaker 2: and James Gunn's sort of leadership of DCU. They report
Speaker 2: directly to h I keep wanting to say Victor's as love.
Speaker 2: And so does your experience with Superman leave you feeling
Speaker 2: more optimistic or do you just not even care about
Speaker 2: upcoming entries into this universe?
Speaker 6: Much more optimistic and I know you jerks are gonna
Speaker 6: make me see a budge of them so much much
Speaker 6: much more optimistic than anything that Zack Snyder has ever
Speaker 6: shared was never for me.
Speaker 1: So this is, uh, the things you're looking up a
Speaker 1: great text for me. Kyle.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll be back to which Stars Stars? And then
Speaker 2: the thoughtful question, Yeah, I think I'm with Tommy. I like,
Speaker 2: I think three and a half Stars puts the right
Speaker 2: where it is. I think I could go up to
Speaker 2: fourth and now that I can go back into it
Speaker 2: not looking for what happens next in the connections and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. I you know, I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, you know, sobbing child and all. Uh, And
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff to do and I get
Speaker 2: to talk do like this where we get to sort
Speaker 2: of go around and talk about all these different things.
Speaker 1: I mean we did.
Speaker 3: There's all these other weird lore and stuff that they
Speaker 3: put in that I like, I'm like, oh, I see,
Speaker 3: you should do it at least in jokes and thing
Speaker 3: which I appreciated but didn't take away. I've seen those
Speaker 3: were they were so insular that they so dents with
Speaker 3: like like we're all referencing the same things, we're also
Speaker 3: the same things and leaving everyone out.
Speaker 1: This was very much.
Speaker 3: Designed, I think for the wider audience, for the wider
Speaker 3: world who just knows Christopher Reeves Superman and Tom Willing
Speaker 3: from Small Bill and that's it. That's like their entire thing,
Speaker 3: and they could just go into this and then having
Speaker 3: experienced I'm curious to see what how they will feel
Speaker 3: about it, and I would absolutely give it a heart.
Speaker 2: Okay, and your level of optimism for future projects in
Speaker 2: the DCU, well, that's this.
Speaker 3: Is interesting because like it's this the James Gun of
Speaker 3: it is still what it gets to me, Like I
Speaker 3: just watched the Fissie's a Piecepaper Game, which I think
Speaker 3: is brilliant and infuriating, Like there are there are moments
Speaker 3: where I was like, but why you know, like just
Speaker 3: little bits character moments or even dialogue or just the
Speaker 3: way they take things or the way he will take
Speaker 3: a character that exists and wipe away their entire thing
Speaker 3: just to put another personality and origin on. I was like,
Speaker 3: why did you just make someone new? Or like that's
Speaker 3: so him at the Helm doesn't always make me because
Speaker 3: I hated Creature Commandos. I thought it was awful and
Speaker 3: that was pure him. And then we get to the Superman,
Speaker 3: which is sort of more sort of trying to be
Speaker 3: door connected with the audience and it worked. But I
Speaker 3: know the Creature Commando guys, is the same guy who's
Speaker 3: doing this, so I'm excited to see what happens when
Speaker 3: he's not the one writing and producing and directing everything.
Speaker 3: Let's see how he is as a fige where it's
Speaker 3: just like I'm overseeing this, but this is your movie,
Speaker 3: You're directing it your you know, these are the writers,
Speaker 3: this is the thing. Let's see what happens when his
Speaker 3: hand isn't the one at the wheel mm hmm. And
Speaker 3: then we'll see and we'll see if this is a
Speaker 3: universe or if this is just the James gunj.
Speaker 1: Yeah right ocean.
Speaker 7: Okay, So from a rating standpoint, first off, I wanted
Speaker 7: to thank you guys for this conversation because I really
Speaker 7: feel now that anytime I'm unsure about a comic book
Speaker 7: move at to get Kylin Robbins like, hey, what's up.
Speaker 7: Let me let's let's talk about what's going on here,
Speaker 7: because it actually has improved my rating from from what
Speaker 7: I thought originally in the three stars to a four
Speaker 7: star movie.
Speaker 1: I always had the movie always had a heart.
Speaker 7: I was, I'm gonna watch this again, and so I
Speaker 7: have There are the two large quibbles that I that
Speaker 7: I have that I will echo, one of which was
Speaker 7: Tommy's the whole fissure with the pocket verse the thing there.
Speaker 7: My quip with it is different, Whereas I look at
Speaker 7: the whole thing, and I though when you look at
Speaker 7: how it ended, I was like, I don't think mister
Speaker 7: Terrific needs Superman to fix this.
Speaker 1: Uh So then.
Speaker 7: I was like, well, you know again, I was like,
Speaker 7: let's just have mister terrific. Let's follow him around and
Speaker 7: then at the end Superman I can show up and
Speaker 7: talk to Lex, right, you know, and that's and that's good.
Speaker 7: And then uh the U I guess the other thing,
Speaker 7: which I know we didn't talk about, but I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna shoehorn it in here. I hope that they in
Speaker 7: the future episodes of this Clark can' gets fired from
Speaker 7: the Daily Planet because they they have done a good
Speaker 7: job of making the Daily Planet. They are real journalists
Speaker 7: doing really smart things and figuring things out there. Of consequence,
Speaker 7: we're going to do that, and that's great, but you
Speaker 7: cannot at the same time have all of this happen.
Speaker 7: And at no point in time someone says, hey, where's Clark?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: You know, no one asked, and it was like kind
Speaker 7: of like, hey, you know, so, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 7: you're smart enough to figure out they're hooking up, which
Speaker 7: I like that. I love that when Perry, when Perry
Speaker 7: was like, hey, how long have they been getting together?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 7: And then and then Olsen told them the right amount
Speaker 7: of time, like they both had figured out what was
Speaker 7: going on. I like that if you're going to make
Speaker 7: them that smart, they cannot be stupid enough to be
Speaker 7: under you know, have Clark Kent in.
Speaker 1: Their lives as as as directly so anyway.
Speaker 2: Where's where's Clark? Where's the worst journalist in the newsroom?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why would they want him around? Well, but he
Speaker 1: always gets Superman interviews.
Speaker 7: But then anyway, so yeah, that that was my things
Speaker 7: that I think that they're too smart for that. And
Speaker 7: the as far as the future with the James Gunn thing,
Speaker 7: I think that well, I'm optimistic and I've always wanted
Speaker 7: DC to do well. I've never understood Marvel just cleans
Speaker 7: their clock consistently because DC has bigger characters.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 7: I am an unabashed fan of the Marvel movies. But
Speaker 7: at the same time, DC should. This should be two
Speaker 7: juggernauts competing, not Marvel's great and DC has a bunch
Speaker 7: of junk. So I am optimistic and I'm hopeful that
Speaker 7: that they are able to maybe turn that James gun
Speaker 7: can be like the it was the initial Kevin Fighting
Speaker 7: where he's just overseeing phase one, two and three, you know,
Speaker 7: and that even those other people's movies, he has the
Speaker 7: direction and he's doing the thing. And as long as
Speaker 7: and the way this looks, as long as they stay
Speaker 7: away from Batman, I think I'm going to be okay
Speaker 7: with it. Yeah, they need they If they start doing
Speaker 7: any of this stuff the Batman, I'll be like, okay, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: Batman needs to be like like the Batman. I want
Speaker 7: him gritty, I want him traumatized, I want him dark,
Speaker 7: you know, I want.
Speaker 1: Him with a V Yes. Okay, Rob, Okay, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: You're all gonna cringe that I'm going to give Tommy
Speaker 1: this much credit. Okay, Okay, I was. I was absolutely
Speaker 1: gonna be a two point five, but literally, based on
Speaker 1: what Tommy said, I'm giving it a three. You changed. No, Actually,
Speaker 1: you're right, because don't even at my frustrations with it,
Speaker 1: you cannot deter people from the positive, the hopefulness, all
Speaker 1: of that. So absolutely three am I optimistic. Guess now
Speaker 1: I might be one of the few people I love
Speaker 1: the Snyder verse. Loved that that was different, totally different
Speaker 1: from what the MCU was doing. I'm sad to see
Speaker 1: it go, but as all things, this too shall pass.
Speaker 1: Nothing great last forever, and so I am happy to
Speaker 1: see what comes next. Like I am. You know what,
Speaker 1: I am absolutely optimistic. As much as I want to
Speaker 1: see Supergirl, I really am much more curious about Face
Speaker 1: and I want to see what happens with that, and
Speaker 1: that will be a whole different conversation. But yes, totally
Speaker 1: optimistic because I love to see where the stories take us,
Speaker 1: even if they're frustrating. It's funny as to watch your
Speaker 1: giant everything.
Speaker 2: You'll always have your Iron Giant. I am thrilled that
Speaker 2: this movie exists. I'm thrilled with the performances, and even
Speaker 2: there was a pocket dimension, and I didn't have a
Speaker 2: problem with the pocket dimension. Mostly I loved the characters
Speaker 2: they chose. They were not the most weird fringe characters,
Speaker 2: and I expected James Gunn to introduce more of the
Speaker 2: fringiest of fringe characters in the catalog, and he didn't
Speaker 2: be played right right like this. This goes back to
Speaker 2: the conversation we had episode one of the Marvel movie
Speaker 2: minute You've got to earn your Wizards and grounded Iron
Speaker 2: Man made room for Doctor Strange. Well, you know what,
Speaker 2: the Marvel movies have carried a lot of water for
Speaker 2: DC today, DC, and I think being able to give
Speaker 2: us this more grounded Superman is going to set the
Speaker 2: table for great movies to come. My favorite is going
Speaker 2: to be Green Lantern. Absolutely, I cannot wait to see
Speaker 2: what they do with the Green Lantern core, and so
Speaker 2: give me more of that.
Speaker 1: I'm home. Give me more of that stuff, and I
Speaker 1: am absolutely home.
Speaker 2: I am going to buck your middling reviews and give
Speaker 2: it five stars. I am a child and I love it. Oh,
Speaker 2: five stars and a heart Suckers. We'll see if that
Speaker 2: goes down later, but I'm here to advocate. This was
Speaker 2: a bonus. This was an extra. We just got excited
Speaker 2: and needed to talk about it, and that's this. Podcasting
Speaker 2: is our love language. So we're still doing Thursday Murder
Speaker 2: Club on the film Board next month. And that's all
Speaker 2: the news we have that's fit to print. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Kyle, what do you want to pitch?
Speaker 3: Am I working? I think no, everything is still lockdown,
Speaker 3: top secret. Oh you're still in secret mode. So yeah,
Speaker 3: so the Fortress of Solitude, kid, Yeah, got it, got it,
Speaker 3: locked up? New projects to come, Rob's I'm just glad
Speaker 3: you're podcasting with us. Man came out of retirement.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I am working a little project on LinkedIn, of
Speaker 1: all places, So if you're not on LinkedIn, get on
Speaker 1: there and then follow me, search me out and we'll
Speaker 1: see how the rest of the Sumers.
Speaker 2: Kind of mystery happens on LinkedIn. Yeah, okay, Ocean, I'm
Speaker 2: glad you're back.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: What are you doing on Adrian Moment?
Speaker 7: Well, yes, age Moment or a partner Jim, Jim and
Speaker 7: I discussed sports movies our next episode, will be a
Speaker 7: twenty sixteenth movie Race, which is the Jesse Owens story
Speaker 7: about the nineteen thirty six Olympics in Berlin. So to
Speaker 7: keep things light in our next episode, we decided to
Speaker 7: talk about sports, racism and Nazis.
Speaker 2: Oh what a trilogy.
Speaker 1: Okay, Tom, what are you doing recording podcasts with you?
Speaker 6: We're wrapping up season ten of All the Feelings colon Adulting,
Speaker 6: and we have two more episodes and then we'll have
Speaker 6: solved the world.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, adult wannabes. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2: And also we've got some other new shows that are
Speaker 2: out and about craft and Chaos is a show.
Speaker 1: That I'm doing with Kyle.
Speaker 2: I don't know why he didn't want to plug it,
Speaker 2: but I'll do it.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: We're having a great time with our friends, author Ryan
Speaker 2: Dalton and TV writer producer Misty Stinnett. And it's about
Speaker 2: creativity when the world's on fire and we're doing great.
Speaker 1: We're figuring out how to do that too. Things can
Speaker 1: be really weird.
Speaker 2: Things are really weird, and you know there's a whole
Speaker 2: horse subtext that you just have to know going in.
Speaker 2: Don't feel like you have.
Speaker 1: To figure it out. It's just there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're learning to and I launched. Actually, as we
Speaker 2: record this, yesterday, the first episode of my new show Headstone,
Speaker 2: a show about human legacy, is out because you know,
Speaker 2: a well lived life deserves a great last line.
Speaker 1: That's the pitch.
Speaker 2: Love it, and so we asked the question, what do
Speaker 2: you want on your headstone? I'm having a really great
Speaker 2: time with that show too, so check it out everything
Speaker 2: at true.
Speaker 1: Story dot FM.
Speaker 2: Thank you everybody for hanging out and we will see
Speaker 2: you next time.
Speaker 1: Meeting adjourned