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Speaker 1: A thirty three fifty five KRCD talk station kick it
Speaker 1: off a little bit late, easing up the valuable time.
Speaker 1: Have one week with iheartmediaviation next for Jay rattle off time.
Speaker 4: I very much. Look forward to and welcome back. Jay.
Speaker 4: Always a pleasure to have you on the show.
Speaker 5: I'm never a problem.
Speaker 6: I'll be happy to wait until the dust settles, my friend.
Speaker 1: No problem Thomas Massey. You know, if I'm gonna yield
Speaker 1: any time to anybody, it's gonna be because Thomas Massey's
Speaker 1: on the will.
Speaker 5: No problem here.
Speaker 4: I figured you felt the same way.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get one under the belt and out
Speaker 1: of the way before we take a break. Passengers being rude.
Speaker 1: This happens more and more often every single day, not
Speaker 1: just on airplanes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's it's the passengers behaving badly theme.
Speaker 5: I think that's continuing here, Brian.
Speaker 6: It's the latest viral photo of a woman traveling in
Speaker 6: first class. She's got her feet firmly planted on the
Speaker 6: wall in front of her, thank you, and she's got
Speaker 6: her electronic device plugged into the u USB port behind
Speaker 6: her in row two. She was apparently stealing power from
Speaker 6: the passenger behind her. And look, I'm not sure if
Speaker 6: this entitled person had permission or not from the person
Speaker 6: behind her, or if she just took it anyway, But
Speaker 6: I mean, the picture of the deed has gone viral
Speaker 6: with more than a few unkind comments, and I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 6: I wake up from an app and I see the
Speaker 6: person in front of me as reached behind and stuck
Speaker 6: their power thing in my seat.
Speaker 5: What would I do was plug it? Plug it? Would
Speaker 5: I try to cut it? I don't know.
Speaker 6: I want there to be some serious consequences for infringing.
Speaker 6: And I'm not suggesting what people do, but I would
Speaker 6: not take kindly to it. And you know some people,
Speaker 6: if you comment on them, they don't care. I mean,
Speaker 6: they'll just go about it and it doesn't really seem
Speaker 6: to phase them, which is why I really think you
Speaker 6: need consequences for this kind of behavior.
Speaker 1: Well, I think just simply unplugging it, but I would
Speaker 1: also have and my own USB plug to plug into it,
Speaker 1: just so I can say, hey, I needed it, it's mine,
Speaker 1: it's my seat, you know, in case they got out
Speaker 1: of hand or root or something like that. But I
Speaker 1: think it's since it's in your space and it's allocated
Speaker 1: for your personal use, just going ahead and unplugged it
Speaker 1: and see what happens.
Speaker 4: Is aokay? As a response, well, when.
Speaker 6: You plug it, could you accidentally give it like three
Speaker 6: big Yanks or something, just to knock something out of
Speaker 6: her hands.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He sounds to me like you want to take it
Speaker 1: to the next level. Jay.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to be our next aviation story, obviously, but
Speaker 6: I'm just tired of people that, you know, reach over
Speaker 6: when they're in the aisle seat and slam down the
Speaker 6: window shade in front of the person that's sitting in
Speaker 6: the window seat, or people that just infringe on other
Speaker 6: people's space. And you know, it's one thing to kindly
Speaker 6: ask and that's fine, but it's another thing just to
Speaker 6: take it on your own to do it like you're
Speaker 6: entitled to the whole row, or not only your row,
Speaker 6: but the one in front of you behind you. So yeah,
Speaker 6: that's me just just not acceptable. And you know, this
Speaker 6: may have been a stage photo. I don't know, because
Speaker 6: a lot of times we see things on airplanes that
Speaker 6: I wouldn't believe had I not been there to see.
Speaker 4: Valid point.
Speaker 1: Always be jaded and cenecal when it comes to things
Speaker 1: on the internet. That's what Abraham Lincoln's advice always.
Speaker 4: Was, don't go away.
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Speaker 1: beginning a thirty for a few segments. Moving over to
Speaker 1: San Francisco duking it out with Oakland? What's the story
Speaker 1: on this one?
Speaker 6: You and I talked about this briefly back in May,
Speaker 6: when the Oakland Airport officials were trying to find a
Speaker 6: way to get more people to fly into their airport,
Speaker 6: and they thought, you know, maybe people don't realize how
Speaker 6: close we are to San Francisco.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 6: So what they decided to do was change the name
Speaker 6: of the airport to San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport.
Speaker 6: So they just took their same name of Oakland International Airport,
Speaker 6: slapped San Francisco Bay on the front and thought this
Speaker 6: would cause more people to recognize they're part of the
Speaker 6: San Francisco Bay area and more people would fly there.
Speaker 4: Well, it's an accurate description too, it is.
Speaker 6: However, is the San Francisco Airport trademarked?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Apparently there is some issue there because the San Francisco
Speaker 6: Airport started pushing back, but not before a lot of
Speaker 6: confusion by passengers who were heading to San Francisco saw
Speaker 6: the name San Francisco Bay kind of skipped the Oakland
Speaker 6: International Airport and they're landing at the wrong airport. They
Speaker 6: get off the plane and fight, We're twenty three miles
Speaker 6: from where we're supposed to be going, or twenty three
Speaker 6: miles from my connecting flight. Not a good thing. A
Speaker 6: lot of confusion was being created, and finally a judge
Speaker 6: has stepped in and said, look, for now, we're going
Speaker 6: to Oakland is not to be using the name San
Speaker 6: Francisco Airport in their name.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: Whether or not this temporary thing is going to hold
Speaker 6: or not, I don't know, because I mean, it's the
Speaker 6: San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport. So we'll see where
Speaker 6: it goes. Because I don't see that as an infringement issue.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, Well, we're.
Speaker 6: Just talking about the area that we're located in. But Brian,
Speaker 6: the good news is Oakland is getting more passengers. News
Speaker 6: is some of them weren't going there in the first place.
Speaker 4: That's really funny.
Speaker 5: But we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1: San Francisco the city, there's San Francisco the Bay right yep.
Speaker 1: And there's Oakland, which sits on San Francisco Bay right,
Speaker 1: So a nice.
Speaker 6: Alternative airport if you don't want to mess with the
Speaker 6: larger San Francisco airport.
Speaker 5: And a lot of suggestion there.
Speaker 1: All I can say is, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: a problem with Oakland doing it simply because it's an
Speaker 1: accurate name.
Speaker 5: It is. It's they're They're totally accurate.
Speaker 6: The problem is a lot of people that are flying
Speaker 6: to San Francisco see San Francisco Bay and they're thinking,
Speaker 6: okayur absolutely.
Speaker 1: Listen man, that takes some responsibility for your own conduct.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm going with Oakland on that one.
Speaker 6: One vote on the side of Oakland.
Speaker 4: There you go, call it whatever the hell they want.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: Uh, let's see here, spirit Air.
Speaker 1: I saw this article and I kind of figured you
Speaker 1: bring it up, wow, aka fire or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: A routine flight, I mean, you know, Frontier or excuse me,
Speaker 6: Fort Lauderdale flying into Port of Prince Haiti like they
Speaker 6: do every day, and the plane drops its landing gears
Speaker 6: on final approach, when all of a sudden, gunfire rops
Speaker 6: and they have to take evasive action. They fly out
Speaker 6: of the Haitian airspace over the Dominican Republican land and
Speaker 6: the pictures of the overhead storage compartment with bullet holes
Speaker 6: going through them, significant size, quite telling, quite horrific. But
Speaker 6: the issue here is, you know, we have probably four
Speaker 6: or five flights today that were going into Haiti on
Speaker 6: a daily basis with Jeff Blue and Spear and others.
Speaker 6: But Brian, back in early September, the State Department on
Speaker 6: their very useful website, and I'm being totally sincere here,
Speaker 6: they have travel advisories to places around the world, and
Speaker 6: when it came to Haiti, they were recommending not to
Speaker 6: travel there because Americans were seeing an increased number of assaults, robberies,
Speaker 6: kidnapping for ransom, and they added this little bit at
Speaker 6: the end uh the airport could be a focal point.
Speaker 5: For armed activity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now this is early September, so now the airline'swhere
Speaker 6: well it is, And you know, Sherry flew down there
Speaker 6: after the earthquake and helped with you know, a lot
Speaker 6: of some things with the kids and different things for
Speaker 6: a week, and I was worried when she went. But
Speaker 6: you know, since then it's only gotten worse. And you know,
Speaker 6: now you have a situation where a flight attendant was
Speaker 6: slightly injured.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was by the gunfire or
Speaker 5: the evasive action.
Speaker 6: And but you're also thinking, okay, how many people are
Speaker 6: going to sue Spirit Airlines because it's obvious that the
Speaker 6: State Department said not a good idea.
Speaker 5: To go there, you decided to go there.
Speaker 6: Anyways, the you know, the the advisory in early September
Speaker 6: from the US government said armed focal point, you know,
Speaker 6: armed activity. Is that gonna be something you know, people
Speaker 6: can sue over the day of the week. So I
Speaker 6: suspect that this is going to be interesting for Pirit,
Speaker 6: who's having a rough week anyways, because they're about to
Speaker 6: file for bankruptcy and their stock has dropped like sixty
Speaker 6: percent this week. Yeah, please don't buy it, by the way,
Speaker 6: And it's going to be interesting to see how things go.
Speaker 6: Now the FAA has stepped in and said no US
Speaker 6: carriers flying two Haiti for the next thirty days, as
Speaker 6: we kind of see if any of this is going
Speaker 6: to calm down, and I suspect it won't.
Speaker 5: And another good discussion.
Speaker 6: On this front is how many times have you and
Speaker 6: I talked about the people that say they want a
Speaker 6: totally automated flight deck. Tell me what that computer would
Speaker 6: do if it's getting shot at. I don't know if
Speaker 6: that would be part of the programmed response or not.
Speaker 6: And knowing a lot of these men and women in
Speaker 6: the cockpit are former military, some of which you have
Speaker 6: been shot at before. Yeah, that's the experience I went
Speaker 6: on the flight deck. If we encountered this kind of
Speaker 6: situation flying anywhere in.
Speaker 4: The world, well, I have to tell you.
Speaker 1: But I mean, the State Department did not outright ban
Speaker 1: They just recommended that people not go to Haiti. So again,
Speaker 1: cave im for you got on a plane Haiti when
Speaker 1: the State Department warned you ahead of time there could
Speaker 1: be armed activity, it's your issue. As for Spirit, they
Speaker 1: have no obligation to anticipate criminal activity. How in the
Speaker 1: hell would they know that their plane's going to get
Speaker 1: shot at.
Speaker 5: The US carrier.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say they're free liability for that.
Speaker 1: So once the State Department bans you outright from flying,
Speaker 1: if they fly down there, then liability might crop up
Speaker 1: because they're well, they're violating the rules in the FA
Speaker 1: regulations at the outset, So yeah, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to have any issues with lawsuits,
Speaker 1: or if they do, they will be promptly dismissed. That's
Speaker 1: my legal judgment on that.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 6: I always lean on you for that, and I look
Speaker 6: forward to your interpretation of a lot of these things
Speaker 6: because I'm curious. You know exactly how exposed an airline
Speaker 6: would be on this, and you know, we've got people
Speaker 6: in other parts of the state that listen to us,
Speaker 6: and some have reservations on Spirit Airlines moving forward, and
Speaker 6: I mentioned that they're preparing to file for Chapter eleven bankruptcy. Right,
Speaker 6: if you have reservations on Spirit, don't worry. The airline
Speaker 6: under Chapter eleven is just going to go through a
Speaker 6: process that many US carriers have gone through, including United
Speaker 6: American and others. So from our side of the counter,
Speaker 6: you won't notice much different. You will see them change
Speaker 6: some of their routes and they'll they'll do some different things,
Speaker 6: but they're going to continue to operate under the court
Speaker 6: approved and I guess supervised Chapter eleven process. So don't
Speaker 6: let that prevent you from making future reservations or being
Speaker 6: overly worried about upcoming reservations because they will continue businesses
Speaker 6: as normal as they can. What really sent them off
Speaker 6: the edge this week, Brian, was they were having problem
Speaker 6: raising money and they went back to Frontier to see
Speaker 6: if maybe they could rekindle those merger talks. Remember it
Speaker 6: was the two of them a couple of years ago
Speaker 6: that we're going to get together. I really liked Frontier
Speaker 6: Spirit merging, and jet Blue kind of pushed in as
Speaker 6: the new suitor offering more money, and Frontier was kind
Speaker 6: of shoved to the side like a jilted lover to speak,
Speaker 6: while jet Blue isn't approved for the merger, and Spirit
Speaker 6: goes back to Frontier and Frontier says no, thank you.
Speaker 6: And that's one of the reasons Spirit is seeing the
Speaker 6: issues that they've been having this week announcing they're very
Speaker 6: close to filing for Chapter eleven.
Speaker 1: Well, and I see Southwest Airlines also having a problem.
Speaker 1: They were addressing their overstaffing issues, which is I guess
Speaker 1: this a sign of trouble.
Speaker 6: I guess they've never laid a single person off ever
Speaker 6: in the history of that airline. And when we came
Speaker 6: into the pandemic, that thought was, oh, that streak is
Speaker 6: over and Back then, they offered the opportunity for voluntary separations.
Speaker 6: It was an early retirement package for some of their
Speaker 6: senior employees and Brian, they had nineteen percent of their workforce,
Speaker 6: that is an unbelievable number step forward and said, look,
Speaker 6: we've had a great career here. I'm going to take
Speaker 6: an early retirement so the people behind me can enjoy
Speaker 6: what I had. So even through the pandemic, they had
Speaker 6: never laid a single person off. Now they're a point
Speaker 6: where the Boeing aircraft delays have really impacted them, and
Speaker 6: they've seen the service at certain airports shrink just a bit.
Speaker 6: I think Cleveland's being impacted by this as well, a
Speaker 6: lot in Atlanta and a bunch of other airports. Nothing
Speaker 6: at Cincinnati right now, and they're being forced to offer
Speaker 6: these early retirement packages, the voluntary separations to people to
Speaker 6: see if enough people will take advantage of it, ending
Speaker 6: their work the end of next month, December thirty first,
Speaker 6: so they won't have to lay anyone off. If they
Speaker 6: don't get enough people stepping forward, well, then Southwest is
Speaker 6: going to be forced to do what most other airlines
Speaker 6: have and the first time in their history as far
Speaker 6: as actually laying off some of their employees. And this
Speaker 6: is just a sign of the Boeing situation.
Speaker 5: A plus.
Speaker 6: Southwest has been slow to adapt as far as offering
Speaker 6: the premium seats and now the assigned seats and the
Speaker 6: idea of baby charging for check bags. They're going to
Speaker 6: have to do all of these things moving forward. So
Speaker 6: they're a little slow, and we're bonding, but least they're
Speaker 6: pointed in the right direction.
Speaker 4: Well, point in the right direction is better that we
Speaker 4: can better than nothing.
Speaker 6: All right, well slower, Hey, look, if there's anybody that
Speaker 6: can pull this stuff off, I'm convinced at Southwest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 5: I've proven it too many times before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've sung the praises many times over the years.
Speaker 1: All right, as we always then hub delays. How's it
Speaker 1: looking out there for air travel today?
Speaker 5: Jay?
Speaker 6: Rain? I mean, obviously a lot of rain. We've had
Speaker 6: issues in Atlanta, Charlotte's, Detroit. Those going to be the
Speaker 6: three airports hammered the most. Some of those delays already
Speaker 6: an hour. It's kind of moving towards the northeast. Might
Speaker 6: give us some headaches there late this evening, but right now,
Speaker 6: those are the airports that are fighting delays, and you know,
Speaker 6: anything west of us looks great. The problem is that
Speaker 6: weather that we have and it's moving towards the east
Speaker 6: and causing a lot of travel disruptions.
Speaker 1: Hey, Jay Riller's Advice ten and every Thursday at eight
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Speaker 1: always a real pleasure to have you on the show,
Speaker 1: my friend, I look forward to next Thursday and between
Speaker 1: now and then as all always, best of health to
Speaker 1: you and your better half.
Speaker 5: Appreciate Brian, thank you.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
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