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Speaker 1: So he was like messaging me all night and then

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he just ghasted me. No way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He was like you're so hot, I want to come over, okay,

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And I was like cool, and he was like I'm

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on my way driving over right now. And then nothing.

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Speaker 2: Phone use while driving can be deadly. Your phone. It

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won't kill you to put it away from the road

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Safety Authority visit r S A dot I E.

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Speaker 4: Meaning a man like this, man letting butterfly flapping his way,

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big down in the forest. Man gonna cause the tree fall,

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letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 3: Man nobody say nobody, you know, no.

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Speaker 1: Man like you.

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Speaker 3: A little story and he got back.

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Speaker 5: That's the man got back and down on the pin.

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Speaker 2: You don't do.

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Speaker 3: This is an episode.

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Speaker 5: I'm very excited I have Harrison Pitt. He's an academic

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writer and policy fellow at Restore UK. Really excited to

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have him on. Man Harrison, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Thank you sir. It's good to finally get this working.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's the holidays are always difficult. And I

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sort of quipped to you, you know, it's a good

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thing that our guys are very difficult to schedule. You know,

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if we were all the stereotype of the you know,

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the lonely young man with nothing going on you could

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just record at the drop of a hat, it would

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always be more worrisome. Even if it is, you know,

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sort of difficult to you know, to schedule around. So

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my audience is predominantly American. So, Harrison, who are you

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and what do you do?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm a writer, academic and my main job

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day to day at the moment is to serve as

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a policy fellow at restore Britain, not restore UK, because

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the term UK cannot be used with a straight face

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anymore from Americans who aren't to where where of it.

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The UK has become a bit of a meme in

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British politics, spelt yok ay to denote the sort of

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third World defying, post national Britain that we increasingly see

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as Britain's on the streets today. And so you get

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these sort of incongruous dynamics where on the one hand

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you see this magnificent Georgian facade at the top, but

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then underneath it there will be like a vape shop,

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or there will be a Turkish barbers And so the

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uk ification of Britain is supposed to signify the way

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in which you have all of these sort of conflicting, chaotic,

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multicultural vernaculars alienating the host population of these islands. And

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the reason why people have gone from the word UK

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is because it sounds a little bit like her.

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Speaker 3: It sounds a.

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Speaker 4: Little bit like her, a sort of like a regional

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branch of some sort of globalist management structure. And because

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the kind of multicultural London patois will sort of emphasis

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was like UK, like UK, like that, and so it's

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supposed to be a kind of a joke on that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Restore Britain.

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Speaker 4: We're very keen on maintaining that branding given the current

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meaning of the words UK British politics. But yes, so

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we are a movement and a think tank founded by

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the independent MP Rupert Lowe, who Americas is no doubt

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know who Tucker Carson is. Rupert low was actually on

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Tucker's show the other day, so people want to get

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a better sense of what Rupert low is about, they

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should watch Tucker Carson's interview with him, and he earlier

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this year fell out with Nigel Farag, much better known

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in your country.

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Speaker 3: Of Restore of Reform UK. They actually are called Reform UK.

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Speaker 4: Because well, people speculate about it, but we're basically of

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the view that Faraj was a little bit was getting

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but also in Britain itself among the more politically energetic,

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well informed sections of the so called online right. Rupert

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Low was gaining in popularity and people think that Farage

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basically defenestrated him for that reason.

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Speaker 3: There were some.

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Speaker 4: Trumped up charges of bullying and all the rest of it,

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and they even reported him to the police and after

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invest after an investigation commenced, no charges were brought. But

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this part of things in Rupert Low set up Restore

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Britain independent think tank and movement and we are now

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doing all sorts of things, from producing audio visual content

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to producing reports. Our first ever report is this one

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mass deportations, just me see legality and logistics. Being a

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policy fellow, I had a big hand in writing this

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and we're working on another one about how to bring

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an end to an arco tyranny in British politics, So

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trying to put practical meat on the policy bone rather

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than just lamenting about the state of Britain all the time,

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which is very fashionable and important to do, but not

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enough on its own. So that's our main function, I

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policies at Restore Bastions so that I can be a

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part of the solution rather than just being part of

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the chorus of discontent.

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Speaker 5: It's actually I think it's a very important thing because

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it's become fashionable among a certain segment of the American right.

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but there isn't nearly as much crossover, which is this

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kind of jeering attitude, particularly in you know, Trump two

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point zero towards England.

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Speaker 3: You guys have it so bad.

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Speaker 5: And look, it's certainly true, right, there are very bad

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things going on there, even the idea that a politician

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would be criminally referred for bullying, which is sort of comedic.

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to mention there. Right, Why that attitude is incorrect. One,

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meaningful changes, but all so the way that these and

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that sort of persuasion ideas tend to catch on, right,

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the many of the same we saw this during you know,

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the pandemic in particular, that there is a transatlantic trade

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and horrible ideas about how to run a state. These

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a major cultural affinity, right, We're cousins as far as

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nations go. And so the idea that you can simply

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you know, discard that and kind of jeer at it

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as like super California, like the it's sort of it's in.

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So you mentioned the fact that Nigel Farage is relatively

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speaking well known in America, and in America there's sort

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of two views on him, which is either he is

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Britain's Trump, They're just the same guy you know across

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the ocean. Or alternately, you get he is mister Brexit.

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He's the guy who got Brexit done. So how accurate

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are either one of those characterizations. I'm not trying to

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get you to talk bad about the man, but I'm

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looking for context. You know, what role does he play,

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especially as his party is gaining prominence.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so this is a very good question. He is

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on the Trump thing, there are sort of two things

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you could mean by the British Trump Trump obviously being

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an insurgent figure in American life who takes over the

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Republican Party and completely refashions it, particularly along the lines

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as you know, of immigration, trade, and I guess the

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third would be foreign policies. So sort of America first

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on all of those things in a way that the

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neo carn establishment had not been. So if we think

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of those that way of thinking about it, he's not

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really a Trump. He's not really Trumpion in terms of

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his character. I mean, he's a little bit bombastic, but

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he's bombastic in a sort of like British sort of

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striped city boy type of way.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 4: He worked in the city for which for us means

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that sort of financial district of London in the nineteen eighties,

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which is all about, you know, but wearing pinstriped suits

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a way. But but you're at so you're you're you're

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very much part of that kind of financialization of the

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economy and you're sort of availing yourself of all the

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personal benefits of that, which I think was what Farah

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was doing in the eighties. But you go to the

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cricket on the Sunday and you sing the national anthem.

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also being a bit of a bulldog nationalist who likes

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the battle of Britain and Church at the same time.

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in my view in those in those ways as a personality.

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have a Trump in British politics who has the same

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sort of impact that Trump has in yours, would have

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to be sort of characteristically British. It can't just be

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an American copy and paste job, because though we are

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cousins both culturally and indeed genetically, we have in the

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intervening three hundred years or so developed recognizably different national

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character traits. And I do think that it's important that Brits,

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in trying to avail themselves of all the benefits of

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the Trumpian Revolution in our own context, don't just try

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and transpose all of the features into the British context.

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well in America, but when Trump came out with that

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tasteless remark about the death of Rob Rainer. That was

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tasteless enough in an American context, but if someone were

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to do that in a British context, it would be

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considered even more tasteless, given that we are a little

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the rest of it that I think you are. There's

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a sort of brashness to the American spirit, which has

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I would compare them on Brexit. I think that that

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is just a complete misunderstanding. What Nigel Faraanch does deserve

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immense credit for is raising the salience of our membership

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of the europe Union in the mind of the ordinary

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British voter.

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Speaker 3: He definitely did do that.

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Speaker 4: But the guy who got Brexit done is a little

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bit misleading, given the fact that when we did have

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the referendum in twenty sixteen, Farat was not in a

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position to be actually delivering the goods. That just delivered

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a result, and then the Tory government as it then was,

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was tasked with, you know, working out all of the

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details of our departure from the European Union. And this

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was particularly self satirizing and absurd given the fact that

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many of the people within the Tory cabinet had advocated

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Fremaine and yet they were trying to hammer out a

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kind of Brexit settlement. This was one of the absurdities

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of Brexit that we had at the time. In many ways,

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it was like it was a sort of poke in

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the eye of our political establishment, and it did. I

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suppose it can be viewed as having as being a

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sort of Trumpian like moment in terms of its significance

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and scale. But we had an absurd situation where the

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parliamentary sovereignty and referendum direct democratic style sovereignty were in

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conflict with each other because parliament all, like in something

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like eighty five percent of parliamentarians didn't want to leave

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the European Union, and yet they were the ones who

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were going to have to vote on the dr and

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make sure that it was okay and all the rest

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of it. And by that point fararch had actually just

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left the picture. But in the nineteen nineties, this is

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to leave the European Union was a minority interest among

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a small number of quite dorky conservative politicians, people you

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won't have heard of, like Bill Cash and people like

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John Redwood. You I'm sure you haven't heard of these people,

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and they made a very dry, dusty constitutionalist case for Brexit,

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which wasn't very sexy. Farage was very good at connecting

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Brexit to more ordinary, salient concerns like immigration, and by

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doing that he was able to raise awareness around the

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issue in a way that someone like Bill Cash talking

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about the need to restore our Victorian antique constitution was

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just never going to cut through to people in the

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way that Farage did. So he does deserve credit for that,

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but in my view, his powers, of his powers when

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it comes to reshaping the mold of British politics and

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remaking the mold of British politics and breaking the frame

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of British politics, does seem to be waning of late.

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and no doubt that has a lot to do with

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the fact that whereas when he was running the ostentatious

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pro Brexit pressure campaign, it was just that a pressure campaign.

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rest of the political establishment finds itself an incredibly low water,

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he is not inclined to play the riskiest of all strategies.

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not being as radical as he could or indeed should be.

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Speaker 5: Being you mentioned that you both parties find themselves in

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dire straits. If you could provide a little bit of

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should we say, like electoral context, Uh, obviously, you know

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you have this sort of explosive success of you know,

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seats in the so called I think the term was

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the blue wall.

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Speaker 3: I think they're the red wall. The colors are switch

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to knock on text.

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Speaker 5: Yes, something that will always trip me up, but yes,

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the kind of legacy you know, labor seats in the North.

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seven or eight years ago. Which yeah, which, which feels

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kind of crazy to say now, but it seems as

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if right the Conservative Party was massively empowered. Now they

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are facing an even more historic collapse after their most

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recent defeat. Can you explain that, like what happened between

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those two points, and how did we get to a

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situation where it seems as if the oldest political party

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in the world is effectively dissolving right before our eyes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think the In short, what happened was roughly

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millions of Indians, Nigerians and Bangladeshis were imported en mass

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in a way that dwarfs anything that Britain has experienced

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in its history. And that was very much the doing

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of Boris Johnson, who, far from tightening restrictions on immigration

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in the way that his sort of national populist campaign

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of twenty nineteen would have indicated that he was going

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to do, and he did say.

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Speaker 3: Oh he said.

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Speaker 4: But in the Conservative Party's election manifesto twenty nineteen it

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was said that I think something along the lines of

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quote overall numbers will come down. Not only did those

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numbers not go down, they went up significantly. I've taken

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to calling Boris Johnson the worst demographic vandal in the

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history of the British Isles. And not only did the

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numbers go up, but they were coming from the most

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culturally incompatible parts of the world. It used to be

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the case when we were members of the European Union,

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and this is actually one of the slight paradoxes of.

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Speaker 3: Our time. On the one hand, you could actually make

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the case.

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Speaker 4: That continued membership of the European Union would have actually,

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even though all of the people who were open pro

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open borders were pro remaining at the European Union, it

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probably would have been more consistent with the intuitions of

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restrictionists for us to remain members of the European Union,

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because when we were members of the European Union, the

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overwhelming majority of immigrants taking advantage of the freedom of

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movement rules that govern membership of the European Union were

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from culturally compatible countries, who were who were net contributors

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to the treasury because they were professional and then they worked.

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Speaker 3: They had who had no.

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Speaker 4: Incentive to support anti white identity politics because they were

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themselves Europeans and were also most likely to return home

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after a given period of time. Anyway, we've now we've

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now not only upped immigration in quantitative terms, but made

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it much more hazards hazardous in qualitative terms, because now

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most of our immigrants are coming from countries where, thanks

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to Boris Johnson, those three sort of saving graces if

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you like, when it comes to European immigration don't apply,

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there is an incentive to support anti white identity politics.

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who bring their dependence with them and who suck off

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the public teat and the third they're very unlikely to

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return home because why would they when they are benefiting

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from this sort of the parasitic relationship they have to

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the British people. So in a way you could argue

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that in the short term, at least hopingy in the

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long term term, we can make good on this. But

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in the short term Brexit incidentally had a very deleterious

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effect on Britain's demographics, and Boris Johnson has rightly been

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identified at last by the British electorate as the man

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culpable for that, and the Tory Party has been identified

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as the as the vehicle that is responsible for that

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in institutional terms. And so they could come out with

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the most radical, frothing at the mouth rhetoric, powerlite record

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rhetoric about how they're going to reverse for this point,

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but it's unlikely unless there's a significant personnel change, that

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they're ever going.

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Speaker 3: To be believed on that front.

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Speaker 4: And because Farage in the intervening period wasn't anywhere near

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the levers of power and has been talking about immigration

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for some time in my view and substandard terms, but nevertheless,

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in sort of like vaguely healthy center right restrictionist terms,

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he is seen as the person to set it right.

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the parts of Bridges people in the pub at the

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moment to Nigel Farage is benefiting from this sort of

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Nigel he sound. You can have a pint with Nigel

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and he'll sort the boats out. There's just this sort

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of rough calculation that people are making, and so he's

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the beneficiary of that. And Labor is not trusted at

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all immigration because they're not sorting out the illegal immigrant

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crisis that we've got at the moment, despite promising to

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do so and smash the gangs and all the rest

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of it. The numbers of illegal entrances have only gone

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up since Labor came in in twenty twenty four. And

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indeed it was Labor themselves in nineteen ninety seven under

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Tony Blair who initiated the whole mass immigration to experiment

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in the first place.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that it's mainly on immigration.

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Speaker 4: It's mainly due to perceived failure and a perceived unwillingness

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in fact to control Britain's borders and to maintain our

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very blessed homogeneous demographics that people are flocking to farage

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as they seem to be doing at the moment.

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Speaker 5: So one more thing, and I'm doing all of this

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to provide context. Again, there's sort of a similar trend

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happening on the left. The Labor Party is losing even

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within the broader left wing coalition. I know much less

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about this, I will be honest. I find American progressives

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irritating enough. And then if I listen to you Ash

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sarkar Ash, I can't say her name. It's a Star

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Wars name, it doesn't exist in my language, or Owen Jones,

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I will have a stroke. So I just can't do it.

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But I don't necessarily understand why that coalition is splintering.

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Do you have any insight there?

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Speaker 3: I think I do. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 4: I'm less attentive to what the left is doing than

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I am to what the right is doing. But I mean, obviously,

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the left in my country, as in yours, is completely

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riven apart by the whole Israel Palestine the blood feud.

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Pistama finds himself in an awkward position where on the

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one hand, he wants to detach himself from the period

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in Labour's history when Jeremy Corbyn, who you may have

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heard of, was leader of the Labor Party and he

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had a sort of rap sheet of statements in the

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past where he said our friends in Hamas and Hezbollah

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and meeting with suspicious Islamist characters and all the rest

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of it, and so he received accusations of anti Semitism

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from within the Labor Party. I think on the one hand,

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Kistama is very desperate to distinguish himself from the kind

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of legacy of Corbyn. So he very sort of performatively

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got rid of Corbyn when he became a leader of

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the Labor Party because he wanted to sort of cleanse

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Labor of that of that awkward period. So on the

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one hand he feels a serious need to brandish his

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credentials with the Zionist labor factions. But then on the

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other hand they're hemorrhaging support to increasingly explicitly Islamu's candidates

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in parts of the country. In constituencies in Britain where

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Muslims do enjoy a critical mass, and so that they

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no longer need to go through the middle man of

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the Labor Party in order to in order to air

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their agrievances in Parliament. They can just set up their

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own candidates and count on the fact that they will

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win elections. So I think that that partly explains why

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it's in many ways a function of Britain's ethnic fractionalization

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that the Labor Party feels riven between it's sort of

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pro pally leftist tradition and it's sort of pro Zionist

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labor tradition, so that.

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Speaker 3: It's partly that.

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Speaker 4: But then I think it's also the fact that Kirstama,

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though he is a in in many ways a very

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blinkered sort of ideologue, a sort of human rights radical

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for who to whom the idea of politics is actually

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quite frightening. The idea that people actually have to make

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political decisions is terrifying. He would rather outsource it to

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a sort of to a kind of priestly caste of

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left wing human rights lawyers who, in their wisdom, are

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able to preclude the need for any kind of political

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wrangling whatsoever. So he's very wedded to that sort of

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post war human rights framework. So he is an ideologue.

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I'm not saying that he's purely a pragmatic creature, but

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he's an ideologue who does find himself in power and

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who therefore is aware of the fact that reformer surging

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in the poll. So occasionally he will make these sort

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of pragmatic concessions to the right, and for that he's

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seen as being a bit of a letdown to many

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people who are more sort of dogmatically and doggedly left wing.

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So you can think of Kiss Starmer at the moment,

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I've taken to describing him as sort of kind of

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a kind of left liberal human creature of human rights law,

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but with some pragmatic constraints. And I think a lot

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of the what we're seeing with the Green Party, with

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zak Planski, for instance, is someone who is rising in

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popularity in many ways because he signals to the most

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sort of di Diehart activists on the left in Britain

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not only his sort of anti Zionist credentials, which matters

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to that faction, but also his disregard for any kind

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of pragmatic constraints whatsoever. So it means zak Planski literally

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visited Calais the other day, which is the part of

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France from.

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Speaker 3: Which these.

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Speaker 4: Illegal immigrants DeCamp in order to get into Britain, and

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he was handing out water and you know, doing a

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photo op to show how much more prohurb and borders

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he was than Kiss Starmer, whereas Kiss Starmer has in

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fact got himself into a bit of a pickle where

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occasionally he'll make speeches talking about how Britain is descending

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into an island of strangers, and it sounds like sort

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of powerlite rhetoric, but then he upsets his back benches

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on the on the on the labor side, and then

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has to has to has to explain how he didn't

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really mean that, and he didn't he wasn't trying to

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beg any parallel with the power and all the rest

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of us. So I just think he finds himself in

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him up like buffeted to and fro. And so you've

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got this kind of left wing faction that is much

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happier just to say exactly what it's about. And I

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think that's partly what explains that.

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Speaker 3: Well. I think those two factors are what explains that

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the division.

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Speaker 5: Well, and you brought up something there that's interesting because

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speaking of of trends that we saw, you know, first

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in euro politics and then in ours. Uh, this is

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this sort of ethnic jostling within an existing party structure.

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Obviously it's slightly different because we have a two party system,

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right there is no viable third party, so it sort

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of happens within the system of power. So, for instance,

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this has already happened in California where you have you know,

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these aging you know, boomer white and Jewish liberals who

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represent heavily Hispanic districts. Who are they being primaried by,

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who are being challenged by? Well, it's not you know,

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Nancy Pelosi sixty years younger. It is Hispanic nationalists. Hispanic

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nationalists is kind of a misnumber, but you understand what.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Chicano nationalists, didn't they?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe so. Or even in you know, Minnesota

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more recently, you know, Jacob Bry narrowly won out over

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a Somali interest candidate. You know, he may have you know,

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exploited some tribal politics there, which is sort of amusing

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00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,720
to read about. But nonetheless, right that that you were

480
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,279
starting to see that. See that happen here.

481
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:35,319
Speaker 1: Uh.

482
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Speaker 5: One other thing I think is interesting that you mentioned, right,

483
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is the is this sort of fight between those constrained

484
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or those who make some sort of concessions to practical

485
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,839
politics and those who sort of, you know, go for

486
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,599
you know, the sort of red meat, right what the

487
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,599
bass really wants. And I think that's been an interesting

488
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,960
thing because in my own party politics, there was sort

489
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of an open question for a while, which are our

490
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,640
Democrats going to moderie? Are they going to you know,

491
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,119
make the correct electoral decision sort of run to the center.

492
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,720
They did that some places, like in my state. You know,

493
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,240
they had a candidate who's successfully able to paint herself

494
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,799
as moderate, and yes, she won partially dude to having

495
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:21,039
a very poor opponent, you know, just do the kind

496
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,200
of pendulum nature of electoral politics. But also what's interesting

497
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,200
is that it seems like there is a part of

498
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,240
the base unwilling to accept that as an answer. So,

499
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,880
for instance, you know, Zohan Mandani, who I've never written

500
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,079
so many irid excuse me, so many stupid articles about someone,

501
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,119
you know, the idea that this man is some sort

502
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,799
of you know, like insane, you know, jihadist is kind

503
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:45,960
of absurd. He really is sort of an analog to

504
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,519
you know, city econ more than anything else, right, a

505
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,079
globalist with you know, awfully convenient skin tone, but nonetheless right,

506
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,160
you see what is promised there, and he is promising

507
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,359
you know, out and out racial redistribution, you know, more

508
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,359
taxes on white people. And you see like that is

509
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,160
not going away, right, even though you know there is

510
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,599
the what would be the sensible position tacked towards the center,

511
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,160
you know, make concessions on certain issues that may well

512
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,319
be the correct answer, but it does not get you

513
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,960
elected in you know, these sort of intramural conflicts where

514
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,640
it is your base voting in a place like New

515
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,200
York City, there is no Republican challenger, we understand this, right. Similarly,

516
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,640
you know what is within your own party, you're selecting

517
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,079
for certain things. So, and forgive me if this is

518
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,680
a provocative question, but if in the state in your

519
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,960
nation is grim, right, do you have this problem with immigration?

520
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,920
Is problem with you know, this sort of explosion of violence?

521
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,519
Why are you hi? Are you not a part of

522
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:54,400
reform UK? Surely that is you know, the the rising star.

523
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,680
So what are the issues with that? Group.

524
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: Well, I suppose the major problem with the Reform UK

525
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:06,079
is that they are very good at noticing and drawing

526
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,359
attention to and wanting to rectify, third, fourth, sometimes even

527
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:18,240
fifth order consequences of the operating system that has brought

528
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,759
us to this point, but they don't seem particularly keen

529
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,240
on wondering where that has come from. So, for instance,

530
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:28,960
they are still out and out about civic nationalists who

531
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,079
are inclined to reduce what it means to be British

532
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:39,160
to a set of Burgush moral propositions. This is particularly

533
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:44,319
I believe that this is incoherent in every possible national context,

534
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,559
but it's particularly incoherent in the British one, given that

535
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,960
British values something that only really entered are shared political

536
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:55,839
lexicon in the two thousands, when Gordon Brown Tony Blair

537
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,400
started realizing, oh gosh, there are an awful lot of

538
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,920
indigestible subcultures in this country who are you know, rather

539
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:08,359
fly in the ointments of our globalist experiment that we

540
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,480
need in order to in order to sort of tackle

541
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:17,039
alienated in order to in order to tackle the problem

542
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:21,000
of alienated Muslims, turning to the to the most uncompromising

543
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:21,960
forms of cell aphism.

544
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:23,359
Speaker 3: We need a whole new.

545
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: Sort of national values program, a counter terror program that

546
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,920
tries to center national values. But because that would have

547
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:36,799
seemed it would have seemed overly, it would have seemed

548
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,119
very suspicious by their lights only to focus on the

549
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Muslim problem all of a sudden, British values are not

550
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,759
only weapon weaponized against unassimilated Muslim populations, but they're weaponized

551
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,599
against right wingers who are always against going down this

552
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,319
avenue in the first place. And so we're often told

553
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,200
that at one time during the Southport the riots that

554
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,599
followed the Southport slaughter in July of last year, one

555
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,480
of the sort of fashionable multi cultural creatures. He's actually

556
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,359
written some good reports before. A black chap living in

557
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,880
Britain called Trevor Phillips actually wrote, but this was awful.

558
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,720
He wrote an essay an article in The Times where

559
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,079
he says it's the far right that needs to assimilate

560
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,599
into modern Britain, not immigrants, because once you have a

561
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,799
values based model of belonging, it's not actually unreasonable to say, well,

562
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,039
we should test people on whether they're well drilled on

563
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:26,599
these values, and if it turns out that they're not

564
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,400
well drilled on these values. Then people who can trace

565
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,880
their lineage back in Britain hundreds of years. So well,

566
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,920
if you don't sign up to the correct points on

567
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,599
the hymnsheet, then you're not British at all. And in

568
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,319
fact said he can't is more British than you because

569
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,519
he has a better hold on British values. And Reform

570
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,039
is very very guilty of not speaking in those terms,

571
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:47,720
but of using the rhetoric at British values. And once

572
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:50,759
you're doing that, you've already conceded massively. So I think

573
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:53,119
that Reform UK And of course I mean there have

574
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,799
also been incidents where well, firstly I should mentioned they

575
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:57,920
tried to throw my new boss in prison. I sort

576
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,400
of mentioned that earlier. But you cannot reason advertise yourself

577
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:09,200
as a movement that is going to restore Britain's finest traditions,

578
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,799
not least around free speech if you're trying to if

579
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,319
you're reporting people to the police for allegedly hurty words

580
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,279
said in meetings. Nigel Farage has also said on record

581
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,240
that he is indifferent to the demographs, the demographic dissolution

582
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,240
of the white British population in Britain. He said, it's

583
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,319
something that doesn't trouble him in the least. He's also

584
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,839
said that if we alienate Islam in Britain, if we

585
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,000
alienate the rising Muslim population in Britain, we are going

586
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:41,960
to lose by the middle of this century. So he

587
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,680
on both the kind of religious front and on the

588
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,920
and on the demographic front, he's he's giving off a

589
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,480
posture of surrender about all of these things rather than

590
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,920
wanting to tackle the problems from root. And then, last

591
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,400
of all, I would say that he plays into minoritarian

592
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,839
games when it suits him. So, for instance, it's very

593
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,400
noticeable that the two people who have actually not found

594
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,559
themselves alienated from reform in the last two years are

595
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,039
two individuals who've been overpromoted in my view, clearly because

596
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:21,279
of their ethnic background. You have Leela Cunningham, who is

597
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,759
whatever reform the councilor who's on all of the airwaves

598
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:26,160
giving all of the interviews Nigel Farahar seems to think

599
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
that she can do no wrong, and she is a

600
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,440
part Egyptian heritage. And then you also have Zia Yusuf, who,

601
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:35,160
despite making all sorts of mistakes and kafuffles and embarrassing

602
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,079
the leader on multiple occasions. There was one time where

603
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:42,119
he attacked one of the Reform's own MPs, Sarah Poachin,

604
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,279
for making a comment about the burker in Britain. He

605
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,440
said it was a tasteless remark and he got very

606
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,240
cross about it, clearly embarrassing the party, airing dirty laundry

607
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:51,960
in public, the sort of thing that would have seen

608
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,359
Rupert Low thrown out like that. I mean, if fake

609
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,240
bullying allegations were enough to get rid of him, then

610
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,799
they certainly would have got rid of him for attacking

611
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:00,440
a fellow MP. But Zia used to and getting any

612
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,599
trouble for this. And as you can tell from the

613
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:06,160
Yusuf's name, he is a man of Muslim background, from

614
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,559
the from the subcontinent. So at every turn it seems

615
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:16,240
to me Reform are constantly bemoaning certain like the consequences

616
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,839
of the worldview without wanting to grapple with the fundamentals

617
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,680
of that worldview at all, and indeed, in many ways

618
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,680
exhibiting the worst features of that worldview. And we could

619
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:28,440
roughly call that worldview kind of the left liberal pieties

620
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:34,240
of civic nationalisms. So they're constantly wedded to fighting on

621
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:35,920
the terms of their enemies, and of course if you're

622
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,920
even if you're winning on the terms of your enemies,

623
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,279
you're not really winning in any ultimate sense at all.

624
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:43,359
And so there's been a lack of serious political ambition

625
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,519
on that front and understanding that no key like once

626
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:50,000
we've like once we've gone through as we have in

627
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,519
britsn a kind of silent revolution. You can't treat the

628
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,079
norms and the pasterns and the ways of speaking that

629
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,240
are that owe their power to that revolution authoritative. And

630
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,759
this is the odd situation in which conservatives find themselves.

631
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,519
Conservatives conservatism is a psychological modality is inclined to think

632
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:12,960
that that's what has been inherited is in some sense good.

633
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,920
But once once you are not threatened with revolution but

634
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,480
have already experienced it, you can't really be a conservative anymore.

635
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,360
If your conservative, if your conservatism is solely devoted to

636
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,719
preserving the gains, even unwittingly, of the revolution, you're not

637
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,320
really doing much good. And so I think they find

638
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,000
themselves in an awkward place like this. For instance, let

639
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,800
me just say quickly, the last thing I'll say is

640
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,519
that there are occasions when if you read new labor

641
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,239
speeches like Tony blair speech is from the early two thousands,

642
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,920
after nine eleven. It actually sounds a little bit spicier

643
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,840
than the sort of speech that someone like Nigel Paragh

644
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,639
would write today. And that's because, of course, we've been

645
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,880
on a sort of worldview conveyor belt where the Overton

646
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,480
window has been yanked pretty effectively to the left. So

647
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,440
all of a sudden, being on the right side of

648
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,719
that of that over And window which has been yanked

649
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,079
to the left left in a in a meta sense,

650
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,480
is actually still quite left wing, because you're not actually

651
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,559
trying to yank it back, you're just being right wing

652
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,599
within where it's been taken. And so I think, I

653
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:12,239
think that is the major the cardinal flaw of a

654
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,519
form UK and at restore Brest and we are we

655
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,119
we are avowedly against fighting on the terms of our enemies,

656
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,519
because we realize that if that's what we're going to do,

657
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:23,280
we there's what Just concede and we'll go home.

658
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 5: I'm glad you said that, because there's a similar fight

659
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,800
happening on the American right, and it's been waging, it's

660
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,760
been raging for a long time. It is Christmas Diamond

661
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,559
recording this, and it seems it is time for Ohio,

662
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,719
Ohio gubernatorial hopeful Feverck Ramashwami to make his yearly crash out,

663
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:48,480
you know, attacking you know, effectively American white people. And

664
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,239
there were events sort of you know, presaging this. There

665
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,760
were things, you know, that led up to this. But

666
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,159
the question comes around, you know, what is it to

667
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,840
be an American? Is there at a sort of objective,

668
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,719
definable thing.

669
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,119
Speaker 3: I am an.

670
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,639
Speaker 5: American because my parents or my ancestors have been here

671
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,480
since you know, the seventeenth century. Or is it simply

672
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,119
creedle right that you can stand on the magic dirt,

673
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,519
say the magic words, and you too can run for

674
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:23,000
governor of Ohio. And it's interesting to see the breakdown

675
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:26,239
there because, as you've said, even people who are by

676
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,559
the standards of wider culture considered quite conservative. Ben Shapiro

677
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,920
is one say things like, oh no, of course, anyone

678
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,760
can be an American. Anyone. It is simply a set

679
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,840
of propositions, and once you have you submitted to yourself

680
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,440
to those, you have just the same rights to this

681
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:45,239
country as anyone else. And look, the history of American

682
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,960
immigration is much longer and much different than your country.

683
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,639
I do appreciate you giving us all of your convicts.

684
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,519
They are you know, they do quite well here. But

685
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:58,920
in all seriousness, right, it is sort of the worst

686
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,159
import of America. The idea that you know a nation

687
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,800
is simply you know, an intellectual an intellectual conclusion. You

688
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,719
know something you can sort of sign off on, right,

689
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,000
like you sign up for a loan or something like that.

690
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:17,840
It becomes commercialized. And it's been especially distressing to see

691
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,119
this from the nominal Maga movement because there are strains

692
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,719
of nativism, and when you talk to the people who

693
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,119
are putting these men in power, they are nativists largely speaking.

694
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,719
And it's sort of a stupid throwaway thing. But even

695
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,480
you know Trump's idea of I can't remember what you

696
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,199
call it, like the gold card or something like that,

697
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,159
where you pay a million dollars and you're an American citizen.

698
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,679
It's like, okay, well, maybe on a balance sheet that

699
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,039
makes sense. You know you're you're taking in more than

700
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,559
you're you know you're outlaying. The problem is you have,

701
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,440
as you've said, you've accepted the core premise that citizenship,

702
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:58,559
the idea of being a part of this nation is

703
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,280
ultimately fungible, it's transferable, it can be given to anyone.

704
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,599
And again, if that is the values which we are defending,

705
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,000
we were accomplishing our enemy's goal. For them, we are

706
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,519
making their system more perfect, making it more efficient, so

707
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,760
that it can do what it was already doing better.

708
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,239
And that's not what I or I assume you want.

709
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,880
And it's especially distressing because again you mentioned the sort

710
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,960
of cancelation, the kind of internac knife fighting. We're in

711
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,480
this sort of odd echo of what happened to the

712
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:39,119
American right in the nineties, where the neo conservatives purged

713
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,760
the paleo conservatives. Albeit the issues have slightly shifted, and

714
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,440
let's be honest, the relative power of both of those

715
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:52,760
blocks have shifted. The kind of true right and the

716
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,719
neo conservatives I'll use that in place of a nastyr word,

717
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,519
but you see the exact same thing happening is, you know,

718
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,159
we have snatched a modicum of power, and the first

719
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,800
thing they do is reaffirm the values of their enemies

720
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:12,719
and push out anyone who's not on side. And part

721
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,440
of the reason why many people, you know, especially among

722
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,760
the kind of younger cohort, are incredibly down on the

723
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,280
Republican Party is exactly that, the same thing you have

724
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,960
identified with Nigel Fraj and I'm glad you mentioned as

725
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:31,639
well the kind of over promotion of these DEI hires. Look. Look,

726
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,079
the fact that Vivek Ramashwami is is on track to

727
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,960
lose a state that voted for Trump by over almost

728
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,920
ten points is notable because you would assume if this

729
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,559
for a company, if this were a normal institution, good

730
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:50,079
performance would be rewarded and negative performance would be punished.

731
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,559
In fact, we've been assured this is what's wrong with

732
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,880
the woke left with DEI. It's that they don't pay

733
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,280
enough attention to meritocracy. Well, when it's our diverse city,

734
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,000
you know, when it's the guy that we want, even

735
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,679
if he is representative of a group that votes against

736
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,159
our interests sixty forty at best seventy thirty and most

737
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:12,320
other elections, well he gets to stick around forever. He

738
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,960
gets to denigrate on you know, Christmas, you know, the

739
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:21,000
fairly significant day in the culture of the country you're

740
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,239
living in. He gets to denigrate the core voter base

741
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,119
of his party. You say that they're incompetent, say that

742
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,519
they're lazy two years running and seemingly faces no consequences.

743
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,760
And again, look like I understand that you know I

744
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,719
have benefited from, you know, the second Trump administration. I'm

745
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,760
not saying I want Kamala Harris in his place, But similarly,

746
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:48,119
you were not eternally entitled to loyalty simply because one

747
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,599
time you were a better alternative. Politics is ultimately transactional,

748
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,079
and you know, in a time where both of our

749
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:59,400
nations are relatively speaking in decline. Sure it's better than

750
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,840
you know, Nairobi or you know, rural Pakistan, that's sort

751
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,599
of damning by faint praise. But the idea that you

752
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:10,480
know you can simply ignore all you know, material and

753
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,880
political conditions and just say I was better at one time,

754
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,239
support me forever. Very clearly, that idea is not holding water.

755
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,039
And this sort of behavior, you know, the eternal cancelation

756
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,199
and the eternal adoption of their enemy's values. This is

757
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,039
why conservatives are losers, genuinely, Sam Francis is you know,

758
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:34,360
beautiful losers. Thesis remains ultimately undefeated. Sorry, Harrison, I threw

759
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,079
a bunch of you. This is something I'm passionate about

760
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,199
because you know, when You've seen this pattern happen over

761
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,679
and over again in the face of mounting consequences. You know,

762
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,519
both of our nations have been swept by violence. Mine

763
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,639
has been hit with left wing political violence, yours violence

764
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:58,000
committed by people brought in by the political left, which

765
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,840
you know arguably is the same thing. And you sort

766
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,440
of want to grab these people and shake them and say, like,

767
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:06,280
do you not realize what the consequences are? Do you

768
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,440
not realize that this is a very serious, dire situation

769
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,199
and playing out the same sort of playbook, the same

770
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,000
sort of set of strategies that led us to this

771
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,239
situation just a hazard. I guess it might produce the

772
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,599
same result. You know, I'm no scientist, but that seems

773
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:25,920
to be a logical conclusion.

774
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: I think so too.

775
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,639
Speaker 4: And yes, So the major problem with performing in this context,

776
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:35,960
and you're very usefully bringing in analogues in your own

777
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,719
American context, is that they are a reform can at

778
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:47,440
best be counted upon to slow down the dispossession and

779
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,039
eventual erasure of the host population of Britain.

780
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: But I don't regard that as victory, because you're not.

781
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 4: If that is all you're committed to, then you're you're

782
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,480
you're you're happy to see the problem jeck through.

783
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: You're just a stickler for the pace at which it happens.

784
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,079
Speaker 4: And if you're happy to see through something an outcome

785
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,360
as final as that, why does why does the pace

786
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,239
really matter anyway? I mean, I suppose you could argue

787
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,760
that when the pace is slower, you can make a

788
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,280
pragmatic argument that it's a it's a sort of it's

789
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,280
a less troubled, less vexed process. But really, at this point,

790
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,800
were we're you know, splitting hairs and yes, in the

791
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,119
in the American context too, I do, I do.

792
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm not one of these.

793
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 4: European right wingers who wants to blame American exports for

794
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:42,480
everything going wrong in the West today. Did the export

795
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,199
in this case being sort of propositional nationalism? Because I

796
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,920
don't even view propositional nationalism as an authentic American tradition.

797
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,800
It's one that was basically invented in the nineteen sixties

798
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,320
at the urging of people like well, institutions like the ADL,

799
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,159
and we're people like John F. Kennedy acting as a figurehead.

800
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:06,159
But it's remarkable as a sort of as it's remarkable

801
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,880
how long this sort of sort of congenital cowardice has

802
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,159
been afflicting the right, because I'm happy to wage. I

803
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,079
mean Calvin Coolidge, who I believe was a Republican president

804
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,639
who passed the nineteen twenty four Immigration Act. He would

805
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:23,800
never in a million years have said that America is

806
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,400
a nation of immigrants, or that anyone can be an

807
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,960
American or anything like this perpart fromthing else. He passed

808
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,239
the nineteen twenty four Immigration Act, with its explicit sort

809
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,760
of national quota system, aimed not at not at being

810
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,760
sort of absolute about according greater importance to certain ethnic

811
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,159
groups over others, but it was more just saying, we

812
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,559
like America as it is, We're happy with its present

813
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:52,840
demographic balance and immigration yearly. Immigration flowers need to reflect

814
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,639
that in terms of their ratios. So it wasn't even

815
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,280
a complete shut door, but it was just, I think,

816
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,880
a very pragmatic and he would never have said that

817
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,800
anyone can be in American or America as a nation

818
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,239
of immigrants. But once jeffk starts saying that in the

819
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,559
nineteen sixties and the political left in America runs with that,

820
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:10,719
all of a sudden, by the nineteen eighties, you've got

821
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,519
Ronald Reagan faithfully reproducing these same slogans as if they

822
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:19,559
go back to Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and other

823
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,840
iconic figures in the American founding. So I don't view

824
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,000
it as an authentically American progeny either. And if it's so,

825
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:29,760
if it isn't authentically American progeny, then it's definitely not

826
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:35,000
authentically English or British progeny. But yes, people like Faraj,

827
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,800
they just sort of download that operating system. They run

828
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,519
with it because to do otherwise is believed to be

829
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:45,840
leaked to lead it by some secuitous route to the

830
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,760
Third or Ike and Auschwitz. This is the rough calculation

831
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,920
that has made. The rough calculation that has made is

832
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,840
that unless you have a kind of impeccably artificial values

833
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,239
based understanding of national identity, the only possible alternative is

834
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,880
a sort of demented, biomistical, blood based form of national

835
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,800
identity of the kind that someone like in my view

836
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,039
Hitler more than Hitler represents in a pretty good esque

837
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:14,320
way that is not logical. But nevertheless, that is that

838
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,119
is where we find ourselves. And I think that partly

839
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:19,840
explains the fact that many not only on the kind

840
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,840
of liberal IDW liberal IDW centrist types, but also many

841
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,880
self described right wingers. They are genuinely more afraid of

842
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,719
experimenting with potential remedies to our problems than they are

843
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,639
of the disease itself, but they're able to notice symptoms,

844
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:39,800
so occasionally there seem sound. I think this is roughly

845
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,440
where where we find ourselves.

846
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,079
Speaker 5: Well, and I think it's it's neatly encapsulated. I can't

847
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:48,639
remember who he was quoting, but you know David French,

848
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:53,239
who is sort of like the perfect good conservative, you know,

849
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,559
a man who has really no conservative values at all

850
00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:59,360
but is sort of kept on is the like the

851
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,639
house rate or at the New York Times. He quoted

852
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:06,239
this other author saying, you know, sort of contesting this

853
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,480
idea that you know, America is in a bad way

854
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,920
and it's this profoundly kind of spineless idea. And he says, well,

855
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,159
you know, we may have drag queens, but at least

856
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,280
we don't have slavery anymore. And okay, it's it's an

857
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:25,039
absurd quote, but the idea is similarly our national original sin,

858
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:29,239
the thing for which we must apologize forever. Anything that

859
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,920
is an alternative to the excesses of yesterday's progressive regime.

860
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,800
Those are the only two options you can either, you know,

861
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,599
you can either reaffirm the values of now just Joe Biden, right,

862
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:44,280
we haven't even gone that far back. It's not even

863
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,719
you know, Bill Clinton. You know, it's someone who is

864
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,920
in power, you know, a year and a half ago.

865
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,199
Anything other than that, according to this kind of contained

866
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,840
conservative worldview, is slavery. You know, it is the the

867
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,280
ultimate ill. And okay, sure you can say, well, is

868
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,039
David French representative of the conservative movement? Well, yes, and no,

869
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,079
because the specifics of that argument, you know, the average

870
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,440
you know, even the kind of worst rhino would say,

871
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,559
oh that's ridiculous, that's absurd. But you change the variable slightly,

872
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,760
and it's basically the same formulation. It is either the

873
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,360
progressive left, which we pretend to hate, but the alternative

874
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,719
is too scary, it's too awful. It's the third ranch.

875
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,559
And this is an argument set explicitly by you know,

876
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:31,719
odious kind of IDW's interests, you know, Constantine Kissen, you know,

877
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,440
James Lindsay and others. The idea that the real issue

878
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,360
is not the excesses of the woke left, the excesses

879
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,519
of you know, the globalist system. It is the idea

880
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,280
that these you know, these excesses will promote the rise

881
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,360
of a true radical right. And that's the worst thing

882
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,039
in the world. That is the sort of re emergence

883
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:55,079
of Satan on the world stage. And one I think

884
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,400
that's very clearly it's a false dichotomy, it's a false diet.

885
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,719
There are other options. There are you know, if we

886
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,960
contend that the only two options are slavery and drag

887
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,079
Queen story hour, I would point to I don't know

888
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,840
America fifteen years ago, which you had neither one of

889
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,400
those social ills. You know, you don't even have to

890
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,559
reach particularly far and clearly this argument, and again this

891
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,800
is an American context, but that same idea you find everywhere.

892
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,880
If you really examined it and you pulled it apart

893
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,320
like you would an argument in an essay, it doesn't

894
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,320
stand up. That's not why it's there. It's not really

895
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,440
there to be the best argument ever. It exists as

896
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,000
a combination of a scare tactic and justification after the fact.

897
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,199
And because ultimately these people aren't actually interested in saving

898
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,480
the country, they aren't really interested in reforming the UK deeply,

899
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:53,199
and really they're not progressive explicitly, but you know, you

900
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,079
scratch a conservative, then you find a progressive. It's just

901
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,119
under the skin there.

902
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,159
Speaker 4: I think this is really crucial and I think it's

903
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,079
an excellent point you make that this is a kind

904
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,280
of performative what this is what in philosophy would be

905
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,920
called much more a performative utterance than it is a

906
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,280
kind of a tightly argued case. Because let's just probe

907
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,039
the case a little bit, but on two things. Civic

908
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,159
nationalism or proposition that's for this for the cop for

909
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:19,920
the purpose of this conversation, let's call it propositional nationalism,

910
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,800
or it's basically the same thing as trans I'm concerned,

911
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,159
and meritocracy. When people like Ben Sjapiro say that America

912
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,159
is a creedile nation, in otherwise, it is a nation

913
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,079
defined by its creed and the propositions that feed into

914
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:37,119
that creed, all of a sudden we are forced to ask, Okay,

915
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:41,840
let's test citizens on how well they measure up to

916
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,480
this standard that you were instituting, not just as ideal,

917
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:46,320
like we want people in America to think this. You

918
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,840
can say that if you like, but no, he's not

919
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,280
saying we want people in America to believe in the

920
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,679
rule of law, jury, charals, free markets.

921
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: He's saying that.

922
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,559
Speaker 4: He's not just saying that he wants America to believe

923
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:59,599
these things. He's saying being an American is defined by

924
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,440
belief those things. Okay, great, let's look at some of

925
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,320
the polling. Then on this criteria, you would have to

926
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,840
denaturalize and potentially even deport half of the American population overall,

927
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,239
because America is deeply divided on these questions, and rather

928
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,480
more disconcertingly, given people's sensibilities in the post war era,

929
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,679
a majority of African Americans and a majority of Hispanics,

930
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,000
because these populations in America are the ones that measure

931
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:31,880
up at least to the creedal values that Ben Shapiro

932
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:36,039
is sort of articulating as sort of definitive aspects of

933
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,519
American identity. Is he willing to do that, is the

934
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:42,239
daily Why willing to endorse those sorts of policies? I

935
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,440
would suspect not so. I think that they know deep

936
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,559
down that this isn't really a sustainable account of the

937
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:51,840
boundaries of national belonging, because they're not willing to embrace

938
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,239
what the consequence is, the very draconian consequences of that

939
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,360
supposedly liberating model of national identity would involve in practical

940
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,480
policy terms. So again it's a performative utterance. It is

941
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,159
not a tightly argued case. And then on meritocracy, again,

942
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,440
if you're actually going to argue for meritocracy within the

943
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:12,199
American university system, you're going to have to accept some

944
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,079
pretty volatile consequences. When it comes to what the ratios

945
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,920
of black attendance at Harvard will be. I think it's

946
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,320
stumped at the moment, given that there are these affirmative

947
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,840
action based racial preferences that have been in institution. I

948
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,079
think in America since the nineteen seventies. It's not my country,

949
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,320
so I don't know it as well, but I believe

950
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,119
in the nineteen seventies there has been affirmative action has

951
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:37,159
been as put its thumb on the scale a bit

952
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,559
when it comes to affecting how many African Americans go

953
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,880
to a lead universities in the United States. I think

954
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,280
that's Harvard when they were being sued by Asian students

955
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,440
because Asians actually banded together and try and get address

956
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,079
of grievances on these sorts of things. Harvard admitted that

957
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,280
if they were admitting without these affirmative action racial preferences

958
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,679
on the basis of purely democratic test based criteria, the

959
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,119
black student population at Harvard would go from being fourteen percent,

960
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:09,000
which is roughly proportionate with the number of African Americans

961
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:11,679
in the United States, to something like zero point six percent.

962
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:14,880
So you can like bleed about meritocracy or you like,

963
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:18,760
but unless you're willing to accept that as an overwhelmingly

964
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,000
likely result of meritocracy, it is again just a performative

965
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:27,000
utterance and a way of containing the right far more

966
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:30,639
than it is the real right than it is a

967
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,159
good faith attempt at advancing a cogent worldview. And I

968
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,000
think that you are absolutely right that we need to

969
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:40,000
expose those tactics much more often because they're very skin deep.

970
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 5: Well and you know, particularly relevant to you know Shapiro

971
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,239
and you know others with similar beliefs. It's especially during

972
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,960
when you see that you know, they may be civic

973
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,559
nationalists for our country, but they seem to be blood

974
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,000
and soil for theirs. Another example, I'm not just picking on,

975
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,039
you know, Ben Shapiro is you know ill Omar, who

976
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,639
in her native language says, I am here as a

977
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:07,559
representative of you know, your interests, speaking to her true constituents.

978
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,960
You know, she says, you know, my primary interest in

979
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:13,159
Congress is making sure that Ethiopia doesn't take any more

980
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,079
territorial waters of Somolia. And you know, a rational person say, well,

981
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,360
you live very far away from that on the map,

982
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,719
not only just your nation, but your state in particular.

983
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,920
You know, it's almost about as far away as you

984
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,039
could get. But nonetheless right that it is the civic values,

985
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,880
you know, this kind of you know, weak rule for

986
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,760
you and I, but for them, for her, for you

987
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,920
know another shall we say, far off small country. It

988
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,920
is you know, the full blood and soil, full strength,

989
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:48,800
you know, brew. And when you combine that, you again

990
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:51,800
understand why there is a large amount of discontent because

991
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,960
it seems plainly unfair.

992
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,119
Speaker 2: Uh.

993
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 5: This is, you know, off something we saw with you

994
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,199
know Vveck as well, right, this kind of like burning

995
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,760
resentment towards the legacy population of the country that he

996
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,000
lives in. And many people who are you know, and

997
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:13,800
I posit that American conservatives are genuinely the least racist

998
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,320
people in America, those who have bought into the civic

999
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,159
nationalism the most. That's a slap in the face because

1000
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,320
it's well, you know, we have, you know, put you

1001
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,920
up on a pedestal. You know, we championed you, We've

1002
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,079
advanced you well above what you probably would be doing

1003
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:36,440
if you were not named vivek Ramashwami. And in turn

1004
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,400
that has been repaid with this sort of incredible scorn,

1005
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,599
you know, a way that even as someone who's not

1006
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:47,159
particularly sensitive to progressive moral sensibilities, would not talk about anyone,

1007
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:51,159
let alone publicly, you know, as an elected official. And

1008
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:53,400
I think that that's sort of an interesting, you know,

1009
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:57,440
element to it. My friend James Kirkpatrick has this great line,

1010
00:55:57,559 --> 00:55:59,639
it's like, well everyone is a you know, a blood

1011
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:02,199
and soil nationalists for what they really care about. And

1012
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,280
that's that's sort of the dissonance about it that many

1013
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,239
of these figures in the media and in politics and

1014
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,239
again across the political spectrum, right you know, you know,

1015
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,840
Ben Shapiro kissing ilen Omar. I'm sure they're domestic versions,

1016
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,079
you know, for you know, the Brits, but seemingly out

1017
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:25,599
of one side of their mouth advocate the same values

1018
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,239
that led us to this place, the same values of

1019
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,000
the allegedly horrible you know, woke left. The biggest scare,

1020
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:36,800
the thing we have to attack. They advocate them when

1021
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,280
it is in their own interest, but when it's their people,

1022
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,519
they say things that would get you thrown in jail.

1023
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:47,000
And you start to wonder, like, wait a minute, like

1024
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:51,239
what is the deal being offered to the legacy population?

1025
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:54,239
And when you really strip down to it, effectively the

1026
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:59,440
deal offered to Americans offered to you know, the English

1027
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:06,239
is effectively you're a battery. You exist to fund this

1028
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,519
patronage network. And if you complain about it too much,

1029
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:11,559
if you complain about the fact that your country is

1030
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,119
no longer yours or is no longer ruled by people

1031
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,760
who are like you, well that's the real threat. Despite

1032
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,960
all the you know, the wailing and screaming and gnashing

1033
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,800
of teeth about every time I say the wolf left,

1034
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,679
you can put scare quotes around it, you know, because

1035
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:27,719
that term is sort of passe. But that all goes away,

1036
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,199
and that's the real issue, the fact that you object

1037
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,559
to that relationship. And I will say to sort of

1038
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:35,920
put a quoto on this, and I'll throw it back

1039
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,840
to you. It's why I am. I've been very much

1040
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,320
encouraged by what I have seen on the of the

1041
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,079
true right in both of our countries, because there is

1042
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,679
clearly some sort of resistance to this, and I love

1043
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,119
talking to sort of our our elder statesman. When then

1044
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,960
within this, you know the guys who've been here for

1045
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:59,079
thirty and forty years, because yeah, sure demographics are way worse,

1046
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,039
you know, the ourco tyranny is way worse. But the

1047
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:04,599
resistance then was nominal.

1048
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1049
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 5: My putty Thomas always says, if you had a newsletter

1050
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,960
with one hundred people on it, you were the biggest

1051
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,039
deal in the world. And now, I mean, look like

1052
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,719
we could take substack as a direct analogy. If you

1053
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,480
have the one hundred subscribers on substack, that's nothing. You

1054
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:21,239
can do that in an afternoon in a particularly pointed essay, right,

1055
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,519
if you're really you know, put your.

1056
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: Mind to it.

1057
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 5: And I think that that is a sort of a

1058
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,039
small silver lining to this cloud. Anyway, Herrison, No, I.

1059
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:33,599
Speaker 4: Very strongly agree, and I think that Frankly, while I

1060
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:36,639
understand why there is a lot of frustration with Trump

1061
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:40,119
at the moment, he cannot be thanked enough for just

1062
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:43,960
blowing things open in this way. Could you imagine if

1063
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,159
that it had been Jeb Bush versus Henry Clinton.

1064
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 5: We would still be pleased clapping to this day.

1065
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 4: You know, illegal immigration is an act of love. Anyone

1066
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,039
could it would be all this sort of stuff. And

1067
00:58:55,079 --> 00:59:00,280
while Trump does because he's a he's fool. Yes, he's

1068
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,920
a boomer, and he does fall into a lot of

1069
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,360
these self defeating premises himself at times. But because his

1070
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,880
rough attitude to the overreach of the left, or perhaps

1071
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,079
better said, the logical conclusion of sort of left liberal

1072
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:23,920
orthdoxies was to hit back twice as hard and to

1073
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,800
really kind of shatter the mold of not just American politics,

1074
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,480
but but Western politics. He has enabled other people that

1075
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,039
he was he was a pretty clumsy weapon himself for

1076
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:40,559
blowing open the castle doors. But now sort of you

1077
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:42,880
know now that now that they have been now that

1078
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,760
the gates have been rooted, as it were, nimble actors

1079
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:52,920
are more. Nimble actors are able to uh make gains

1080
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,480
in a way that they wouldn't have done but for

1081
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:58,360
the big sort of stampeding or in Durrangutang, who had

1082
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,719
smashed through things in the first place, and so yes,

1083
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,360
this definitely does exist now, and it's very encouraging both

1084
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,360
in your context and in mind.

1085
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,239
Speaker 5: Well one point, and then I have another question, because

1086
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,159
this is something I genuinely don't understand. I should have

1087
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:17,440
brought it up earlier. But I think when we look

1088
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:19,639
back on the Trump era, and this does feel like

1089
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,559
the Trump era, shifting the Overton window is a huge

1090
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,840
part of it. Definitely. I think that the other sort

1091
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,119
of more unsung detail here is sort of shifting the

1092
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:35,079
conceptual landscape what is perceived to be possible, because very

1093
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,760
quickly we realized, for all of his faults, you actually

1094
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,039
can't just stop a legal immigration is a choice, and sure,

1095
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:45,280
and that is separate from the issue of mass deportations.

1096
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,880
It's separate from the issue of h one B's But

1097
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:50,519
I was told for my entire life that was an impossibility.

1098
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:52,000
There was simply no way to do it. It was

1099
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:56,119
the inevitable consequence. And this was something our politicians learned

1100
01:00:56,159 --> 01:00:58,679
from Blair, which is the ability to sort of set

1101
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,679
yourself as the null hype apothesis. So you know, when

1102
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,239
when Tony Blair, uh, you know, and I don't remember

1103
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:07,000
the name of it, but in the nineties, you know,

1104
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,840
it got rid of firearms in your country. Largely the

1105
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:13,239
framing was the conversation has been had and we've all

1106
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,519
arrived at this, And similarly, that's how illegal immigration was portrayed.

1107
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:21,159
We've already, we've already, we are all the adults understand

1108
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,559
that you can't make this go away. It's simply a

1109
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,519
part and parcel of having a country. And once you

1110
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:28,639
find out like, oh no, you can, you can say no,

1111
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:33,559
this can go away, well that completely shifts the conceptual landscape.

1112
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:36,400
I mean another one, and you know, this issue was

1113
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,320
sort of faded from public prominence. But getting rid of

1114
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,159
roe versus weight, right, this issue that conservatives have been

1115
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,880
arguing for since before my parents were born, turned out like,

1116
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,760
oh no, that was something you could do away with.

1117
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:50,320
And you know, do abortion still happen? Is there's still

1118
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,800
you know, this this fight about one hundred percent. But

1119
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,880
this this huge impediment which was seen as being unassailable,

1120
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:01,880
this idea that the progressives just get what they want forever. Well,

1121
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,320
that idea, that facade has been blown apart. And I

1122
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,400
think that that is conceptually massively important because now you

1123
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:15,159
have young guys confidently saying things that simply could not

1124
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,840
be said five ten years ago. I won't, you know,

1125
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,039
say the most radical, but I'm sure you're filling it

1126
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:23,480
in your own place. I think this is a complete

1127
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:24,239
Oh sorry.

1128
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 4: Well, I was just gonna say, I think and I

1129
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,119
think that that fact and I couldn't agree with you.

1130
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:29,800
I couldn't possibly agree with you more. I think that

1131
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:35,000
that has also done another I had another inadvertent, but

1132
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:38,119
in my view, very welcome side effect of making the

1133
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:41,559
left declare what they're really about. Because when they were

1134
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:45,880
constantly winning, because the ride was only ever pyrroically scoring

1135
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:53,320
victories itself, things like replacement migration could be could be

1136
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,559
sort of presented as the null hypothesis, as just an

1137
01:02:56,599 --> 01:03:00,239
inexorable fact of living in a global world, all this

1138
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,800
sort of all all this sort of thing, and they could,

1139
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,719
they could, they were able to market it like like

1140
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,559
candy floss, you know, in a way that and what.

1141
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:12,360
But once the rights starts scoring victories, people start saying

1142
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,920
what they're really about. And only the other day if

1143
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:19,519
what's the name of that, oh, I forget is he this?

1144
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:22,280
There's a there's an American in your country, some Indian

1145
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,480
guy who only the other day was saying, you shouldn't

1146
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,840
have let us into your country. He's like a he's

1147
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,760
he's a big name. I can't remember who he is,

1148
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,360
but I can't remember Harrison.

1149
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,679
Speaker 5: Some Indian guy in your country does not narrow it

1150
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,480
down in these days.

1151
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: That's true.

1152
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 4: But he was I forget what he's called, but he

1153
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:41,840
from the subcontinents, and he was saying, do you know

1154
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,760
what the real problem is. You shouldn't have let a

1155
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,199
single one of us into your country in the first place,

1156
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:48,320
because now there are too many of us here and

1157
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,920
we're just going to take it over and its conquest,

1158
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,639
whether you like it or not. All of a sudden,

1159
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,760
they enter sinister mode or they enter the gloating mode.

1160
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,079
And that's very helpful because it clarifies the battle lines.

1161
01:03:58,239 --> 01:03:59,679
And one of the reasons why we have been ill

1162
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:04,400
equis it to resist this process of replacement migration that

1163
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,559
is afflicting all of our countries, with America and Britain

1164
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:08,719
certainly it is afflixing.

1165
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:10,599
Speaker 3: It's because it has.

1166
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:15,639
Speaker 4: Been it has been a kind of it's been unarmed

1167
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,119
conquest rather than armed conquest. And when you're when you're

1168
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:23,320
being you know, invaded by a by a national army

1169
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,119
with sort of quaint uniforms and all the rest of it.

1170
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:28,599
It's it's easier to muster the stomach for resistance because

1171
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:32,199
the threat is so apparent. But when it's invisible, when

1172
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:38,320
it's procedural, when it's you know, when it's like, when

1173
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,880
it's effects are for the moment just sort of bureaucratic

1174
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:45,320
and insidious and all the rest of it, and it's

1175
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,119
what and when it's marketed as just to sort of

1176
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,480
part and parcel the natural process and peaceful, it's harder

1177
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:53,039
to resist. And now that it's becoming clearer what the

1178
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:58,239
motivations of our colonizers, if you like, really are, it's

1179
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:04,159
easier to mobilize the appetite for a serious resistance because

1180
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the worst things get, and they are getting very bad,

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and the more obvious the costs of this experience, of

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this sort of reckless experiment with diversity gets, the more

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people start thinking, oh, well, it seems like I face

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a choice between losing my country, sorry, between keeping a country,

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keeping my country and getting called racist, or losing my country,

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my country and still getting called racist. Well, in that case,

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I choose to keep my country. And I think that

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like that like the fact that that really is the

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binary of this century is just coming into sharper focus.

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Speaker 3: And one of the reasons it's coming.

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Speaker 4: Into sharper focus is because the rights score initial victories,

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the left start hyperventilating in ways that reveal their true motives,

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and people then realize, oh gosh, we need to keep winning.

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We can't just score some victories. We need to score serious,

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long term, ultimate victories. Otherwise we know what these people

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really think about us.

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Speaker 5: Now, yeah, there's a great essay from a guy I

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don't particularly like catgirl cool Uck on Substack. The name

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is enough of a reason, but I have others as well.

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And anyway, he made the great argument where he compared

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he compared Donald Trump to a peanut butter sandwich, and

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he said, the US government is going into anaphylactic shock. Right,

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the immune system has incorrectly assumed that this these peanuts

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are toxic, that they're going to kill it. So they're

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freaking out right, They're they're activating all of the you know,

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all of the switches available to them. And it's not

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it's completely innocuous, but that reaction can kill it. And look,

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you know, I think that we're sort of witnessing a

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moment where Trump is sort of being absorbed, at least

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partially or co opted by, you know, kind of the

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Neocon establishment, which is a separate discussion, but nonetheless, I

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think that that sort of supervillain monologue, you know, that's

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sort of something that you'd roll your eyes at in

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a movie. The fact that that is being produced, the

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fact that you have people saying like, oh, well, we

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should just throw all these people in jail, you know,

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send them to the Hague. The idea that you know,

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we're going to come back and stomp on you forever.

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I mean, that's not a good move politically. But this,

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you know, as you said, this orange orangutan has sort

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of produced that response, and we sort of allowed them

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to self sabotage in a way that I think is

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is interesting. So maybe this is the going through the

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you know, the stages of grief, right, and it's sort

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of you know, reaching acceptance with it. But I do

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think that that's sort of, you know, an interesting way

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to look at it. That you know, he could have

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been normalized, he could have been brought in and we

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could have just you know, made some concessions and the

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you know, the horrible globalist project would have you know,

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slowed down slightly. And as you said, you know, this

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sort of replacement would have resumed its kind of role

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as like a you know, just a bureaucratic inevitability. But

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because they couldn't, they have now created an awareness. A

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great example of this, and I was talking to a

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trucker about this last night, is the kind of state

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of uh, you know, horrific uh you know, attacked or

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horrific crashes, accidents, And now I learned you're not supposed

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to say accident. You're supposed to say a crash because

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it was it could have been prevented. But point is,

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he said, like, this is an issue that's been going

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on for decades, but because of one the climate around

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immigration and two the fact that people were essentially stoked

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01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:32,880
up into a rage all of a sudden, this has

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become an issue that is no longer simply you know,

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one of the many things that you know, a minority

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of people is upset about to a major issue. And

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so I think that you know, the the kind of

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insane reaction of the left has sort of produced a

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much healthier right wing resistance. It's still nation, it's not

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:57,359
done yet. It's not in power. But again, if we

1252
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,359
look at that trend line, it's ultimately positive. But Harrison,

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we're overtime men. It was great to have you on.

1254
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I really enjoyed this conversation. But where can people find you?

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Speaker 3: Man? Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed it too, very stimulating. We should be and

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we should make sure to have another one in the

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in the not too distant future.

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Speaker 3: People can find me. I think my handle on Twitter

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,000
is Harry Underscroll Pitt p I T T.

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Speaker 4: I do a monthly show for the European conservative magazine

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called The Forge, where I've interviewed and had lively exchanges

1263
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,239
and debates with all sorts of interesting figures and of course,

1264
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most importantly of all, at Restore Britain. My workload at

1265
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,359
Restore Britain is a little bit more periodic in that

1266
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,920
it takes a long time to write, you know, sort

1267
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,239
of long comprehensive reports about trying to embark on a

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,039
policy of mass deportations on our next one is going

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to be on coming out next month hopefully, and it's

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going to be on restoring England and indeed, indeed by

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extension Britain's but primarily England's find common law traditions around

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self defense and the integrity of the home in an

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age of a Narco tyranny. So bringing back ordered freedom

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01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,960
as the sort of the corrective to an Arco tyranny

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in the British context, because we in Britain have been

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much less protective in a paradox school way of our

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common law traditions than you have in the United States.

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I know things are bad there, you still have some

1279
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,680
pretty good, like practical wisdom embedded into your legal tradition.

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We've been busily justicing jettisoning that over the last one

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hundred years, and it's high time that it will restored,

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and so that will be our next paper. So if

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you're on the Restore Britson website and follow Rupert Low

1284
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:47,520
on Twitter and follow the Restore Briton page on x

1285
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:50,279
you will get a good sense of what we're trying

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to do to set things right here in the mother country.

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Speaker 3: Well good.

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Speaker 5: There are a few issues that I get obviously my

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own nation, of course, but there are a few things

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that affect me more emotionally than what goes on in

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your nation. You know. Obviously, as we've said, there's a

1292
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,680
great degree of cultural and genetic overlap. But man, I

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hope you win. The politicians in your country are the

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01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,399
crime cannot be overstated. This is something where I have

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to be careful. I will say very radical things.

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Speaker 3: But careful, caful for careful for my sake given that.

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Speaker 5: Well that's what I'm thinking of, of course, But genuinely,

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I hope you win. You're doing the Lord's work. So

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everyone you know, as much as you can, support this

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,640
endeavor and follow them on social media. As far as

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my stuff Jay Burton Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, if you

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01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:45,920
want to pay me a few bucks a month, get

1303
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,239
the episodes early and ad free comes up to fifteen

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01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:52,000
cents an hour right for the content. It's really it's

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,760
a pretty good deal by do you say so myself?

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And it's what I do, so I appreciate your support.

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is ultimately the same thing. But yeah, Harrison, I'll have

1313
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to have you on again. This was a great conversation

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and everyone at home keep your head up. I can't

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last forever. Good Night,