Speaker 1: Big Foot stomping through woods. Son of Shadow a noo,
my man looking ned.
Speaker 2: That's buy a burden by don't man holding the.
Speaker 3: Shadow creep and bringing you sad by a thirsty folder,
leave you cold.
Speaker 2: To leave your bed, last dream shine, don you fall?
Saturday Fail.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Alan Swamps.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Real American Monsters.
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, hello, my friends in Monsterland. Tuesday night again
on the Untold Radio Network, and Real American Monsters is
back in the chair. We're back at the Helm, and
we are here for the next ninety minutes. I just
wanted to say thank you all for joining us tonight.
I've been taking a little siesta from the podcast scene
and and we're back for a special program tonight. I
had miss Frankie Brown. I know a lot of people
probably know who Frankie is, and she contacted me and
told me a story that she heard on another podcast
about MK being at a camp where a sasquatch was
actually shot or a rumored to be shot. And I'm like, geez,
I've been talking to MK for you know, a good
amount of years now, and I have never ever heard
this story. So I had we got a hold of
him just to make sure this guy was telling the truth.
And you know, MK was there and all that. So
I called them K and I told him about what
was going on. I sent him the interview and he goes, yeah,
I was there, Chris, and he told me the whole story.
And I'm said that, like, geez, you know what yet
of all these you know, all these years, I bet
you a lot of these folks that come on my
show or come on a lot of shows, have never
heard this before. And it was twenty years ago. And uh,
so I asked him, you know, everybody, I knew it
was taking a break. So I asked MK to be
on the show tonight and tell that story. And then,
you know who better to talk about Patty the the
Parterison Gimlin film being real than.
Speaker 4: M K.
Speaker 5: I called the I call him Patty's defense attorney. Uh.
You know, he has studied that film over and over again,
and we will get into that after after this, he
tells us about the camp out or the hunt or
whatever they called it that night once we get through that.
So I'm excited. I'm glad that MK uh wants to
come out and tell the story and set set it
straight and tell everybody what really happened that night and
how it went down. And m K actually had a
sighting why he was at that camp out, so he
actually saw a sasquatch or whatever running all fours away
from So I'll let him tell the rest of the story.
And I'm looking very forward to thank you. So thanks
to Miss Frankie Brown. We are here tonight. So glad evening, everybody.
Glad to see everybody that could show up tonight. Good
having missus. Francesca's with us, Miss Diane Follered, Glad to
see you. Mister Chris Calbreese. Good evening, good evening, gooding, Chris,
I hope you're feeling better. Mister flat Rocks with us.
Wellow Wendell. Wendell's with us tonight, I believe also Missty's
with us tonight. Yeah, Missy's in the house. Joshua dash
you five J four E's with us. Good evening, good evening, Joshua.
Glad to have you here. So I'm sure I'm sure
it'll it'll keep filling up as the night rolls around.
This is a story that not a lot of people
have heard, and you guys are going to get to
hear it. Right right from MK's mouth. So without further
to do, let's bring out our special guests for tonight.
Mister m K. Davis. Right, good evening, my friend. How
are you.
Speaker 4: I'm fine?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm great? Thank you for taking time out of your
busy schedule. I know you got you're a busy man.
People don't know the other half of you like I
know the other half of you, and you are always
on the road and always busy, busy, busy. So thank
you very much for agreeing to be here tonight again.
I really, I really cherish your friendship and I love
always talking to you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on. It's been a long
time ago, about the year two thousand and one, I
think about it. It's back before I met Don Monroe
or or began my you know, out of sea at
in the Pacific Northwest, I was at a an event
there was in Louisiana, but so close to the Texas border,
sawmost Texas too.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: I wasn't, I wasn't actually one of the people who
were hunting. This was a hunt and it was done
by the g C b r O Golf Coast Bigfoot
Research organization who who make no qualms about the fact
that they're pro killed and it is a sensitive subject.
People get really really emotional about that. But I'm not
an emotional person. Uh when I understand what I'm looking at, right,
and that's that's what I was there for.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Okay, okay, before we go any further, amok.
I gotta play something for the boss. Got to play
the disclaimer before we move on, and then we're gonna
have you come back and tell your story.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, sorry about that. I always forget that
every every podcast, you know, like you walk at my podcast,
and I always forget that, so tonight I wasn't gonna
forget it, So all right, go ahead, sir. Well it's
it's Uh. It wasn't the first time that I had
been on one of these with with the g c
v R O.
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, it didn't seem to be that much
of a stretch to me if it were a gorilla
or animal to want to discover it, and that's the
way most discoveries are made. But at that time, I
didn't have a full range of knowledge about what I
was in pursuit of or what I was trying to
find out about I was just keeping the fire warm
back at camp. I didn't have a I didn't have
a gun, And tell you the truth, I couldn't hit
the broad side of a barn. That you wouldn't want.
You wouldn't want me to be the one who's firing
away at a bigfoot or a sasquatch or a monster. Ah.
Because of that, that very fact. But they were very
gracious to let me kind of pend and hang on
with them. Uh. They they had been at this for
quite a number of years. No one had ever taken
a shot before. And that's because they had a very
rigid requirement uh that to make a discovery, they wanted
to mail only only you can only shoot a male.
And it had to be no no little ones, no
small juvenile males. Uh. It had to be something that
would not damage the population or damage it the least.
And they had you know, a lot of thought went
into what to do with if you did that did
happen or occur. But up until that point they had
no one ever had ever shot.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: In this case, you know, I was sitting around the
fire and come three or four guys with me, uh,
and I heard the shot. And you know that we
were up on the in the hills and the ridge
and the shot came from down in the hollow along
the creek.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: We had a radio and the radio came on and
the guy says, I got one. And he says, now
the g C b R old people said shoot him again.
He says, I don't have to. He's dead. And of
course when everybody got down there, there was no monster.
And the guy was standing there and he said, I
don't understand it. I shot him between the so so
vertebra and the other vertebra and you know, uh, but
I guess it didn't occur to him that that it's
it's vertebrus may not be the same. You know, you're
you're shooting at the unknown. He put human parameters on.
He was trained, trained, got trained in the military. Uh,
native American guy, but not a member of the g
C B r M. And they'd already had some issues
with him. They said he was under powered, he really
should not be part of the hunt. But he was
able to talk his way into it. And they had
a roadkill deer that they had put out down there,
and this thing was crawling on its belly to the
deer and he took carefully aim at this vertebra he's
he named, and shot and he said, it's dead. It's
it's gone. That's down. And when everybody got down, there
was none and they were looking for any sign that
could find. And they they got on the radio back
to where we were and asked if we would bring
them some extra lights. So I had my truck and
everybody got in it and we put lights and you know,
loaded it with lights. And on our way down, Yeah,
all of a sudden there's tall grass on either side,
you know, either side, and this came out of the
tall grass. And when it entered into that gap, you know,
where the road is worn down. I got a really
good look at it, and I don't my mind says
no match found. I didn't know what I was looking at.
It was not and I repeat that, not a Paddy
type thing. It didn't look anything like the Patterson film.
And like I said, the gcbureau, they were they were
always calling it a monster. They never they never referred
to it as a bigfoot. But these this this history
of these things being in those in those bottom lands
there in Louisiana. It was quite long and extensive. So
it's not like it was the first thing anybody'd ever
heard of, you know, anything like that. But at any rate,
they were quite upset at this gentleman for taking this
shot number one with an underpowered gun and number two
shooting it in a non lethal place. Which uh, yeah,
Like I said, he was not a member. He he
came with someone else from Oklahoma. He was from Oklahoma,
Native American at at least in part, and he had
this before before they started the hunt. He had a ceremony,
you know, where he sat in front of the fire
where his legs crossed and did some kind of prayer
and chant and then and then of course the rest
I've told you about. Let me let me describe what
I saw. It wasn't large. It was maybe one hundred pounds.
It ran really low in the grass. I mean, I
don't know how you even do this, except that it
resembled a rabbit with you know, rabbits so bring their
back legs up ahead of their body and then push
and grab and pushing like that. But he wasn't bobbing
up and down at all. He was staying down under
the grass. And when he came out across in front
of me. I got a really good view of him.
This this is an artist conception that someone had done
that was reasonably close. You can't see the head, uh,
if you can imagine being down down low and stretching out,
you know, push and pull and push and pull. It
had an oval shaped head, uh. And it had small ears.
And when it got past where I could see the
the feet, the feet were long and slender. Uh. They
were plenty big, but they were slender. They weren't They
weren't the wide foot you'd see, you know, a sasquatch.
And it did abound right at the last and came
out of that grass and went up in the and
we came back down. It was inside the tree line,
and we continued on and we brought the lights down
and they began to look, and there was some stuff
on the ground which they said was gut material, you know,
like you've been shot in the gut. To me, it
looked like gelatine with some little black seeds looking stuff.
And I don't I'm not an expert on that. I
don't know. I take their word for it. But it
to you all those listening that know anything about anything
like that, maybe it rings a bell with you. At
the time, they couldn't catch up to it, so how
bad it was hurt, I wouldn't think it was hurt
all that bad because it it out paced everybody. And uh,
there was a gentleman up in a tree stand who
said he could see it, and no sooner than he said,
I see it, he's looking in a thermal camera. That
the batteries went dead in the thermal camera, so he
couldn't tell anybody where it was because he wasn't from there,
and you know, he didn't know the place if he
did the best he could, and they made their way
around all out through there. They they they they lasted
to hunt for that thing, lasted for hours and eventually
for weeks. They didn't give up. There's a there's another
part of the story, but I'm not gonna get into
that because that's a research material for then they uh,
they hunting what they called a monster, and I can't
really argue with that. Recently, there's been some AI stuff
that have come out that the most accurately portrays what
I saw. I don't know whether it's an accident or
whether somebody had some prior knowledge, but this is it
right here. That's that's what I saw right there.
Speaker 5: How big would you say? Okay? It was how it was?
Speaker 4: It was small. It was like about one hundred pounds.
I'm guessing that because you know, I'm putting human parameters
on it too. Uh. You know, if you sometimes you
find out that you're all wrong, if you ever got
a chance to walk up to it and weigh it,
that sometimes the you know, the density had bone density
and a lot of stuff makes a big difference. But
it was running as if in a panic, and I've
got to believe that it was associated with associated with
that gunshot. Could you show that again because I want
to make a statement about that. Yeah. This Uh, this
came from Duke Sullivan's Sunday Night show and he got
it from someone else who was emailed to the someone
else and he can't remember who emailed it to him,
but I wanted to give acknowledgment, uh, Duke, Duke. Uh.
The the word that he puts on it, and what
it's supposed to be was googway. A googway, uh, which
I never heard of it before. But when you listen
to a Native American describe a googleway, it's about like this. Uh,
and the word googway means or translates as face eater.
How does that strike you?
Speaker 5: I wouldn't wanted to meet one.
Speaker 4: Uh No, look at the teeth. I mean they say AI,
but it's it's clearly based on something I didn't tell anybody,
So I don't it didn't. It didn't. It didn't based
upon my siding, But that was based upon my siety.
You see the similarities. So I only had this to
go for all these years, and now that I appreciate
the the AI clip even though it's not real, it's
a portrayal, and it serves that purpose very well.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: It's kind of thing will bother you. It'll bother you
for years, not the fact, not the fact that they
shot it, but the fact that we missed a chance,
uh to make our discovery. For sure enough, I can
see why they call it a monster, especially if it
is known to eat people's faces. Uh. That would fit
the description in my book. If I if I were
out in the woods and this thing grabbed me, I
would appreciate someone shooting it. Uh. You know it's it's yeah,
I'm very pro human. My own species takes precedence. When
when this thing right here? When what it came across
in front of me, I didn't I didn't think that
there's my brother. Uh. It never even entered my mind.
I was bewildered. It was puzzling.
Speaker 5: Was it trying to get away from you?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 5: Or did a second glance back at you? Could you
not to say that? Or did it have a bee line?
Didn't have an you knew where it was trying to
get away? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Good question? It was a bee line? I didn't see
it looked towards us at all. The headlights hit it directly,
it lit it up. It just didn't stay in front
of us long. You know, it came across fast. One
of the other guys got a glimpse of it that
were in the truck. There was two guys in the back,
one in the cab with me. He was talking to
the two guys in the back through the back sliding glass,
and when I said, y'all see that, he turns around
in time to get a glimpse of it. And I understand,
you know, the gentleman who took that shot, even though
people were upset with him, they it was nothing personal.
It's that it did not go as as the way
it was set up to go, and it was, you know,
it was that was very disappointing. And I'm sure you
know they they've managed two over the years to put
it behind him. As far as I know, other shots
been fired. But it's uh, that was the night of
two thousand and one in along the Louisiana Texas border,
and of course things change, and that all that country
up and there changed dramatically, you know, with a discovery
of large pockets of natural gas and stuff like that.
They so it's uh, it's it's a memory, a distant memory.
Speaker 5: How did you end up at the fire? How how
did you come to be there?
Speaker 4: Kay? We invited or oh, I was invited. I was
a dues paying member, you know, I was that I
when I got interested in Sasquatch, I looked up organizations
and I could either join one that was way up north,
you know, very distant, or I could join one that
was down south, close to where I lived. That was
my thinking. I would get with these guys and see,
you know, try to get an idea knowledge seeker. But
I'm well aware that you know, not everybody is qualified
to carry a gun. I'm certainly not. Oh, you're talking
about people who've hunted their whole wives and people from
Louisiana and from Texas. You don't tell them how to
hunt that they won't take you well. And you're certainly
not going to have me tell them.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn myself, and
there a few times I aimed at a barn and
missed it.
Speaker 5: So I know, Yeah, they're not going to hire you
as their their their lead gunmen to take the side.
Speaker 4: They've been very kind to me. That organization down through
the years has helped me, and they've extended themselves and
uh for something that was really none of none of
the no benefit to them, but they they did it
for my sake and I have nothing but appreciation for that.
Speaker 5: It's good to have friends like that. You know, no
matter how you think or what you what you think,
if one person thinks another way and you can still
be friends and still support each other and and that
that goes a long ways in this for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just being pro people. You know, you love your neighbor,
you know, it's it's it's uh human being as special.
They are special animals, but they're not as special as people.
Speaker 5: Are right right, We're gonna take a couple of questions
while we're here before we move on to the patty thing.
Uh about about the night here? And uh, please put
them all on caps and I'll get them up for
MK and then we'll move on. If you guys got
any questions about this night? How come you you didn't
really talk about I mean, this isn't a story that
you you you talk about often, or you kind of
buried it away in a sense, Why did you do?
Why did you put that in the back burner.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a film or a video, and only
one person got a glimpse of it other than me. Uh,
so it didn't I didn't feel compelled to to jump
up and say an improvable thing. That's That's kind of
why it's a if you if you want to, yuh,
make something that's impactful, you know, you need to have
good proof. And so that's the way I kind of
felt about it. I wouldn't be saying nothing now if
the owl Man, the our Man had not gone on
how to Hunt and mentioned that I was there and
lo and behold, you know several people got in touch
with me. You did, and uh, it became a concern,
you know that that the accurate facts of the matter.
You know, be H made sure that they were.
Speaker 5: You know, they're to end the story right, right, No,
it's it's important to get the facts out there for sure.
If you were presented again today, would you would you
do the same thing? Would you go to the fire?
If they were going on the hunt again, would you
would you would you go to an outing like that again?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know, be honest with you,
I'm not physically in shape to do it. I'm seventy
years old. Back then I was, I was on fire
and pumped up, and I can go. I wanted an answer,
you know, like the young A younger person wants their
answers quicker. You know, I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know if they will find that even find
that situation again. This was at a place that they
nicknamed it Monster Central. I mean, that's how that were prevalent.
They had sightings there down through the years, so they
kind of knew where. These people were well educated on it.
I think that it had that person not scored on
his shot, I don't think that the Bigfoot mystery would
be solved, but I think that the monster mystery might be.
Speaker 5: Do you do you think he shot him? Do you
really think he got a good shot, or do you
think it was a total miss.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't have anything other than that those little
gelatine type stuff, and I don't I'm not an expert
enough on it to say if that was gut material.
If that was gut material, I guess he must have.
But if if it wasn't, if it was some kind
of uh, you know, that's something that vegetation does. I
don't really know. You know, I could, I could. I
have no proof that he did it. Now, later on,
later on they found some more evidence. And if if
that were the case, did that belong to that same preacher?
It's probably probably he did, But that was weeks.
Speaker 5: Later, right, And no, you what did you think? I
got one more question? What do you think hope to
find when you when you ran out in front of everybody,
when you heard the gun shot and then you heard
the shot one you tried to get out in front
of everybody. What was your goal there? What was your
goal to get out in front of everybody there?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't that that I think about that
a lot, But I think that you're you're acting with
impulse a lot. But I kind of wanted to be
out in front and get the first look at it.
But that if if it was something of some kind
of a person or human, I definitely wanted to holler
back over my shoulder and say so, Uh. If it weren't,
then it was probably gonna eat eat me alive. If
I called up to it with no weapon and uh, yeah,
it was risky. Is I'll get out? Uh, I'm I'm
I feel lucky to you know, I didn't stumble upon
the thing.
Speaker 3: Muh.
Speaker 4: You those those uh, those guys had weapons that would
absolutely uh, they'd bring a charge in ryan Oceros down.
They didn't want it to jump around hurt, they didn't.
They just wanted it to decease instantly, you know. Uh
a kill shot what you call a kill shot. And
there there's more organizations out there that that prescribed that. Also,
they got the Wood eight Conservancy and they've been trying
to make a discovery in the state of Texas and
maybe Oklahoma are yeah bye bye by shooting one, They
too have not been successful.
Speaker 5: Why do you think that is? Why do you think
it's so hard? To get a get a you know.
I mean, we can't even get a camera on them.
What makes you think they could get a gun on
you know what I mean? I just why do you
think it's so hard?
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. If you listen to
some of these guys stories, you might get some kind
of a clue as to why they're driven. I know
that Bobby Hamilton, when he was a child, him and
his brother shared a room and one of these things
came up to the window and it was motioning for
him to come to the window, and it had all
of his teeth show, and it was grinning, and it
affected him deeply, you know, and from then on it
was a monster and he was going to get it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I see how that can develop in a person. It
might would have done me the same way.
Speaker 5: That just gave me the will. He's thinking about it. Yeah,
he knew who he was, he knew what he was doing.
He's showing him, he's taunting. He's like, this is what
I got for you, and you come get me.
Speaker 4: And if they could get he could talk him into
coming a little closer, he might may try to grab
him through the window, you know, run your arm through
that glass and get it.
Speaker 5: After the twenty years since this has happened, and you
say you're pro people and all that, do you think
that the Bigfoot are cape? I mean, obviously they're capable
of hurting humans. Do you think they there's some written
rule or something that they can't do or something that
they don't want to do to hurt humans? Do you
after all these years, you don't really hear them. You know,
hear many cases that I'm hurting. I mean in history
you heard cases of it, but not in the lass,
you know whatever. Fifty years you haven't heard them taking
people or anything. I mean, we don't know that. But
for a fact, why do you why do you think
that is? Why do you think that they're not you know, in.
Speaker 4: Terms of discussing the differences between what you call a
monster that that portrayal in the AI, you know that's
not patty. Uh So there's lots of things that have
big feet, and of the size of their feet, they
could be described as a bigfoot. But what you see
on the Patterson film is not what you saw what
I saw, uh in that area, and it's it's apples
and oranges. Ah, those what Patty. You saw Patty what
she did?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 4: You know there were others around. They if there were
just two guys down there, they certainly could have had them.
They might have had to sacrifice, but they could have. Hm.
I just they just didn't.
Speaker 5: I just don't think I could take that shot because
you don't even know if it's It could be a
human being, it could be a fairal human that's been
living on in the woods for thirty years and whatever.
Speaker 4: For That's what I was trying to emphasize, was that
these guys would not take a shot if they could
not find see clearly what it was. I had no
no poems about being with them. I didn't no one
was going to get killed or shot because I knew,
I knew them, and I knew that they would not
take a shot. And they they even had a guy
come out of his tree stand wearing a gilly suit
and walk back to camp amongst those hunters. No one
made a mistake it. They're not going to shoot it
if they can't identify it. Absolutely, they not only want
to identify it, but they wanted a mail and then
only only a grown male, not a juvenile.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna shoot. You see the weights of the rays right.
Speaker 4: Right, it was almost never going to happen. Until this happened.
Speaker 5: You'd have to be five hundred and fifty sure of
what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: And yeah, if you don't want problems, right, you know
it's ah, that's why this is. Uh, the subject matter
is it's very very difficult. It tests it tests out
a person's views there there there there maral views there.
Their views of proper proper hunting, proper hunting techniques. Everybody
I knew growing up. They they they all were well schooled.
And you don't shoot at what you can identify. You
don't shoot it. You don't pull the trigger because once
you let a bullet out, you can't get it back. Occasionally,
it does happen a lot of times. It's real young people.
You know, let twelve year old or something have a gun. Uh.
But they you know, there wasn't a lot that they
were happy with it. No, they weren't happy at all.
Speaker 5: Mhmm. In Tennessee, Kentucky, Bigfoot asks, he goes, I here,
Washington is the only state that has a that protects them.
Anyone know that for sure?
Speaker 4: I think I think he's probably correct. There the only
statewide protection. There are counties that protect him, and then
there are states that give you permission. There's Texas gives
you permission. But Texas is aware that what they're looking
for is more like what what I saw. And if
you go up to Washington, you're it's more like Patty
and it's it's it's it's apples and oranges. Really not
same not same thing. Now there may be there may
be some of both in an area. You know, that's
one of these these this training that you get when
you first start out hunting from the older hunters. It's
vital you throw that that rifle up and put that barrel.
You're looking down the barrel, you see something even vaguely
resembles a human, don't pull the trigger. You don't take
that chance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't mean myself. I couldn't do it. I
mean I just couldn't do it. But again, these guys
weren't trophy hunting. They were they were doing it in
the name of science. They had their own way of
doing things. And somebody been in a big mistake.
Speaker 4: And uh, yeah, yeah, I want I wonder what he
thinks about it after all these years.
Speaker 5: Yep. But again, we're not bringing up anybody's names, guys,
We're just just telling getting MK's point of view on
the end of the story because he was there and
because he was on the show the other night, so
it was important that we got his story out there.
So we got any more questions, We're gonna move on
to MK being Patty's Patty's defense attorney. Okay, before we
get into that, can you just tell everybody how long
you've studied the film and probably how many times you've
viewed the parison give one film.
Speaker 4: Wow, I hate to guess on how many. I started
at about ninety six or seven. You know, you remember
the Internet back then it was kind of iffy all
with phone modems. You know, if somebody calls while you're
on the Internet and knocks you off. It started back
then when it had the capability of leaking onto the
net higher quality images from the Patterson film. And that's
what happened. It was all due to an argument and
these two people were arguing about one of them says,
I see a baby on her on her back, and
he says, there's no baby on her back. Because I've
been working with the film original film that was in
the camera and I could see plainly that, And he
went on to describe how how high the resolution was
that you could see detail on the on the subject
as small as a grape or a marble with basic identification,
without any enhancement. That told me right then that it
was worth going and trying to find some of these
these frames.
Speaker 5: And how many years did it take you before you
you finally got d framed that you were you, You've shared,
you just recently shared with anybody who wanted it. You
put it out there for anybody who wanted that frame.
How long did how many years did it take to
before you got ahold of that one?
Speaker 4: Well, it's a it took a number of years and
and and thousands of miles. People helped me. I mean
I could never have done that, acquired all those frames
without help, because they saw in me a person who
might be able to do something about the film, you know,
if I was able to get those and work with them,
and I saw them as opportunities to let the film
tell its own story, whether it was a fake or
whether it was not a fake. And it certainly it
has done that.
Speaker 5: So I asked you to come up with some like
five rs. I don't know how many came up with,
but five or more things over the years that you
have found from the film that just shows that the
the P and D film is not fake. It's not hoax.
It's a real sasquatch that we're looking at. And you
sent over some some clips that you've you've cut out,
and you you've you've examined, and well let's start there.
So which one are you gonna show first? Which one
would you like? Would you like let's start with Let's
start with the hairy back. Let's let's start there. Let
me just right, let me get it all set up
here first. Everybody that there, okay, scream. They made this.
I haven't been on here in a little while. They
made this kind of easy to get to. Now I'm
I'm loving that. All right, here we go.
Speaker 4: That's a gentleman with about the approximate hair coverage of
Patty uh thereabouts close and you can see that the
way the hair curves into the spine because the spine
lacks the musculature of the shoulders, so it's resissed. It
curves over into it make so kind of a stripe.
And that they were saying that was a zipper. Now
you see it on there. Now this is from far away.
It shows prominently.
Speaker 5: You can see the same thing right there. You can
see how it goes right down the middle of the back.
Speaker 4: Let's look at all of those because each one has
a little different tweak on it. It gives it a
little different uh more stable or more or brighter or
you look, there's a comparison. See it. Now watch that
one right there, it's kind of go slow.
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 4: You know that that's just simply a bare back. It's
it's that's not that's not the sign of a suit.
She's got a light, a light I call it. She
kind of haired over but not not not all encompassing.
Speaker 5: So now you can see this again on to hear
you back and now you can see her again.
Speaker 4: You know she she's just is what she is. H
this Uh, this came from uh John Green's version of
the film. He had several copies and uh Renee de
Hendon had several copies. And this was shown at a
museum in British Columbia and recorded on video camera from
off the off the screen. When you play the thing,
you know, complete film, you hear the real on the
projector you know, uh, it's I know the guy who
did it, very very competent person, probably one of the
more uh they say, effective people when it comes to
this film.
Speaker 5: He he was.
Speaker 4: He got me a lot of the frames. Yeah, his
name is Christopher Murphy, Canadian. He got he probably caught
a lot of flat for anything. You know, people are
uh nowadays, they have their own pet ideas. You see
the breast on the left side swinging, see you kicking
up and down her left side? All right? Mm hm,
you know there was can you put the thumb? There
should be one called a thumb. Thumb movement.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's take her off for a second.
Speaker 4: There it is.
Speaker 5: When I lost that. Okay, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: There you go. Now if you watch that, you see
that that thumb move in and out. I stabilized it
on the on the arm itself. See that thumb moving
in and out, the actual thumb. If you just let
it go real real, uh, the natural movement, it would
be going round and round rather than because I stabilize
the arm, it makes it look like it's going in
and out, you know. But it's the point is that
you see them. You see the motion in the thumb,
so it tells you that it's that's an opposable thumb. Mhm.
People argued about that for ages. You could, I mean
now almost fight over it. The people who wanted her
to be a gorilla, No way they would accept a
posable thumb. But she has an opposable thumb. It shows
on the film. So that means that you know, she's
more than likely a person. Uh Now, I don't mean
that she's a Homo sapien, but there's been several homo
types that they've managed to pull their bones out of
caves and stuff, and they knew they were looking at
homo's something.
Speaker 5: Now, now you sat down with the hoopahs, right, correct,
and you've got to talk to them. What what were
what were their thoughts on Patty? What? What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: Patty?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 4: They they were they were more inclined to think that
she was like a hybrid offspring of a union of
a bigfoot and you human being. And the reason why
is because in that area there were in eighteen forties
when they struck gold, there were ten thousand Chinese in
the Bluff Creek area and they were doing hydraulic mining,
you know, with a pump and the water washing out
the banks and stuff, and they had their families in
there with them. And the problem with exposing a woman
to a Sasquatch is obvious. They tend to want to
take them. And this is they take everything. The Hoopoes
told me, they take anything. They take your stuff, They
go down there, take the fish out of your nets. Stuff.
They wouldn't make anything, but they'd steal your stuff. And
stealing a person to them was not no big deal.
But when it results in, you know, maybe in one
out of fifty tries, as in a pregnancy, then you
have the offspring is going to be kind of different looking.
If you look at Paddy, you know she's that's one
of the reason why she's not that hairy. Here's a
hairs patchy. She's got a foot that's shaped like a
human foot. You look at the big foots that are
not in the Bluff Creek area, they tend to have
the ro shaped foot and with displayed toes. But you
go to Bluff Creek and the toes all come together
and the foot looks basically like our foot, our feet.
So that's what they're referring to is that there's a
history there as a matter of fact. They they said
that the Sasquatch went to the highland height what you
call it, the high mountains, high mountains h whenever white
people came in there, or Europeans with guns, and they
told the Hoopahs that they would come back down and
steal their women all over again if they told the
white people where they were. And they just don't want
to up and tell any to this day, they don't
want to tell people where they are at in those
high peaks.
Speaker 5: What did the Hoopah think the Sasquatch are? What do
they think they are? I mean, do they think pay
is a hybrid? What are the Sasquats themselves? What are
they say? The hoopo.
Speaker 4: They call them the people. That's that's how they call
that's the people.
Speaker 5: It's very interesting because you hear a lot of stories
about them gathering and taking and and when they leave gifts,
it's like they leave gifts that are from like forty
years ago. It's like they take stuff and I'm just
putting this together now that you told me because they
didn't know that they take stuff and then when they
leave it it's forty years old and they're leaving it
at people's houses and wherever habituation areas. That's very very
I never even heard that before, and it's very interesting
putting those two together. I mean, I always thought they
were gatherers myself.
Speaker 4: And you remember the the layer. You know that. I've
highlight you one time in a video.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did a bit, we did, We actually did.
You were on the show with Dom and Roe. We
did a show about the lair well.
Speaker 4: Me and Don and my son Brian attempted to go
back up there in two thousand and nine and we
couldn't make it because of the heavy treefall from a
previous snow that that previous winter. And we found on
the way up there the trail up there that wasn't
there the previous time. It was a It was a drawer,
an old porcelain drawer from a really old refrigerator, and
it had in it a coffee cup that was perfectly
cleaved into and it was on that trail and it
was upright, but it held no water, and so it
hadn't been there long. Don took a picture of it.
I didn't, and I wish to this day I had,
because you mentioned that this was this was an old refrigerator.
This drawer came from something way back. These guys had
done stole that or up and from somebody long ago.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, No, I find that really really interesting. I
mean I never I didn't hear the hoops and thoughts
on it.
Speaker 4: But well they don't. They don't think they're stealing is wrong.
I mean obviously, Uh, they probably wondered why why people
get upset?
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: But but the hoopas said they'll take your stuff. You can't,
you can't, you can't deal with them. They used to
try to trade with them and stuff. They said they
couldn't do it because they just they were dishonest, is
what they called them. Uh. Well, to the hoops, they
were dishonest. But from the viewpoint of the Sasquatch, that's
how they did everything. Just you know it just you
if you found it there, you just take it.
Speaker 5: Hm. So, so your search for the ultimate footage of
the Paris and Gimlin film led you to a lot
of places. You went to a lot of different places,
but you you you went to right to this, to this,
to the source as close as you could get to
try and get a piece, and you actually visited missus
missus Patterson at her home. Correct, I did, I know
you want to I know you want to reflect a
little bit on that tonight, So why don't we go
there for a little bit and talk about that?
Speaker 4: And uh, it's a She invited me and gave me
her address, and man Don drove over there in Yakimo
and she was a delightful person and she was glad
to meet me. I was glad to meet her. And
she talked a lot about Roger, She talked a lot
about the film, She talked a lot about you know about.
We were pretty close to leaving and she got a
phone call and the phone call was not not a
not a good experience for her. This person was really
letting her have it, fussing at her, and she got
just madder and madder, and finally she slammed the phone
down and she turned around and she says, MK, what
would happen if somebody shot one of these things? And
I said probably nothing. She says, even if they shot
it in the back. That seems like she was trying
to drop a line for me. But I saw it differently.
I saw a person who needed their husb. But and
she was having to deal with this person on the
phone and uh, and she'd had no one, she had
not remarried, and she she was responsible for the film,
for the for the business part of it. Her her
husband remained in limbo, even though they buried him when
he died. He was like in a Bigfoot purgatory. No
one would let him go. And they instantly started this
stuff about, well, Roger did this, Roger did that, Roger
didn't pay his bills, Roger didn't do this, and it
was just Roger, Roger, Roger Roger.
Speaker 2: He was the.
Speaker 4: Vilified to the bitter end. And he, Roger couldn't say
a word in his own defense, and it was left
all up to her. And you see how she was treated. Uh.
The person on the phone, I hate to say it
was Bob Gimblet, but I'm from the Deep South, and
you know I saw the way that she was treated
and I didn't like it. And I met with Bob
that afternoon, and I could tell you a whole other
show on that meeting, but it you know, you just
don't treat widows and orphans like that. In my estimation,
they supposed to give them, if you're a Christian, you're
supposed to give them special consideration. So you know that
that's why I think I think I know why all
this is occurring with the film now claiming as a hoax,
because I think they rather had be a hoax and
let it go and and and and and let Roger
go to rest in peace, rather than to try to
keep it alive and keep Roger constantly being vilified. You know,
it's it's just easier. When Clint took over the finances,
he immediately doubled the price of the film and couldn't
He'd got no more licensing because it was way overpriced,
and he didn't seem to care. You know, Uh, let
let somebody come in there and claim it's a hoax.
You know, that might be the solution to his problem
you had. Maybe his dad can go rest in peace.
But that's just my thinking on it. That's what I saw.
I saw a woman in need, and I suppose she's
still in need given what's what all is going on
with the hoaxing business. You can't let the film go.
You have to separate it from Roger. Let Roger go.
The film stays, it stays on its own merit, and uh,
Roger needs to go and and and go into the
the halls of the the Bigfoot researchers before him rest
in peace.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all know how the big folk world is,
and we know it's it's it's it's a very complicated
space to be in. Can you imagine having the best
piece of evidence ever filmed on your lap and have
to deal with everybody in the big Foot world day
after day after day after day after day, and year
after year and after year and year and year and year.
Can you just imagine the burden? I mean just I
never thought about this until you told me about this
today and I did a little thinking about myself. The
burden has just got to be.
Speaker 4: It remains, it remains a burden for the family, right,
you know, even you know it's it's I feel pretty
sure that they're they're thinking was just let them, let
them claim it's a hoax and let it, let it
all go. You know, it's a it will get you know,
some kind of measure of relief.
Speaker 5: Well, why not just put it somewhere? Why not just
give it to a museum. Here it is, This is
where it lays for the rest of its days. You
can go and see it there and walk away. Wouldn't
that you could you know you could do it that
way also, you know? Or or would that would do
you think that would still continue to be?
Speaker 4: I don't know. She she was used to taking care
of everything, but then she got kind of down in
her back and arthritis in her hands, and she gave
up the business in to Clint. And Clint, like I said,
he doubles the price. Uh. These Japanese filmmakers wanted to
use it, but they couldn't pay that amount of money.
Speaker 5: And what I did was to.
Speaker 4: To get her, get them in touch with her, and
she she cut the price in half. She got Christmas
money because zero still zero. If you if you're overpriced it,
you don't make a sale. You've made zero. She was.
She was more savvy than Clint was. As far as Clint,
I don't think Clint cared. I think he would just
want to get it out of his hair. It's it's
it's a pain, been living with it.
Speaker 5: Do you think if there weren't copies of it, do
you think it would have been buried a long time ago?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe the original but an a vault. That's probably
where it would still be if no one had made
anything of it. You know, well, like like my story
about the uh about the shooting that night. I didn't
make anything of it, you know. So, yeah, you surprised
a lot of people when they found out about it,
but I we didn't. We didn't. No bigfoot was gained,
you know. Uh. I just went on to other things.
But sometimes it's easier that way.
Speaker 5: What do you think they're about to show? Everybody? What
do you think that this new piece of whatever they're
going to show? What do you? What do you think
it is?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 5: What do you what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Uh? Well, basically what I know is on the film
that it it it's it stands a zero percent chance
of proving this film to be a hoax or a
man in a suit.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: They can't connect to two films, you can. You can
say anything with film you shot you don't know when
it's when they shot it or anything. Yeah, it's it's
just I can I can take the stuff that you've
shown tonight that the back. Uh? Will you show the
one that says bat muscles and glutes? H h.
Speaker 5: Very scale? I don't have Uh? Oh yeah I do
here Okay, Well, I don't know why it keeps on
disappearing on me. Well, choked up over everything right now,
Oh that's not the one there it.
Speaker 4: Goes yeah, yeah, I kind of blow it up a
little bit. There we go. Now look at the glutes
working again aninst each other. Glutes are the bocks. People
used to complain. They say, well, there's got to be
a suit and that's a pillow because we can't see
any cleavage. But it's not true.
Speaker 5: I can see on ice green. I don't know if
you all can see that. There's individual muscles in the
right call it the right glute, into the left cheek
or the right cheek, whatever, but there's individual muscles moving
into the bottom of the right cheek and then in
the upper of the left cheek. You can see it here.
See that muscle that's moving, and then up here this
one's moving here. It's like when you when a woman
would walk or a male walks. You got that your whatever,
your shake or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4: On one leg you're you're lifting in the front of you,
the other one you're putting behind you. They use different muscles,
so they oscillate. There you go to the to the
shoulder area. Now back off just a little bit. See
that muscle moving under the skin there under the scapula,
the shoulder blade, right, yeah, see it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that.
Speaker 4: That that destroys the suit theory. I don't know. These
people are coming out of ancient times, you know, they
must have they must think that it's nobody's got anything better.
Speaker 5: It's just I mean, how many hours? I mean again,
I'm gonna ask this question. How many hours do you
think you've spent looking at this film? Just a guess,
just a rough guess.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I don't really know how many because
every time that, you know, I've got an opportunity to
use some other technique, you know, to I get that,
to get a stabilization that smooth. It's it's very labor intensive.
It's not done with a computer. It's it's done by hand.
You can see the sun shining on her hair. You
see it glisten, and there's no separation anywhere in this.
If this was a mask of any some sort, you
would be able to see a wrinkle or something. It's
a it's a solid piece of you know, whatever is moving. Yeah,
there's another one.
Speaker 5: I like you should now look at again. Look at
her her glue muscle here, it's it's look at it
we'll get a bullge out here. Look at what's right here? Yeah,
I mean, how can you It's just.
Speaker 4: It's it's just it's just over for the hoax thing.
You know, they might as well not even show it.
I hope they didn't. Nobody lose any money, all right?
Speaker 5: Which one you want to go to next?
Speaker 4: I'll go to the one that says just glutes because
it's another one where people were complaining about, you know,
there's no cleavage in the rear end. And and they're
doing this with the film available to them. You know
why get mad at me? Because I found it.
Speaker 5: Like motion gluts, just glutes.
Speaker 4: It's just it's a steal picture.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I don't see it.
Speaker 4: You should just say glutes.
Speaker 6: Harry Back. I don't have anything that says just glutes.
No JPEGs, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe can I show it on mine?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sure can.
Speaker 4: Let me trying that.
Speaker 5: Let me, Uh, what do you guys all think? Know
what m Case? You know what m Case thoughts about?
You know, why what they're doing the film? I mean,
I know this is the first time I've ever heard
anything like it, Like they want to just be done
with the film and and lay it to rest and
let Roger lay to rest and let everybody just breathe
for a while. What are you guys thoughts in that?
Put you know, put something in the comments or what
you guys think of that?
Speaker 4: I think it's right quick now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he sure is, Steve, he's he's spent. He's being
very uh telling everybody how long he's worked on this
film for it. But I can tell you it's it's
it's a crazy amount of hours.
Speaker 4: It's been worth it, every bit of it.
Speaker 5: It's become a life's passion.
Speaker 4: Well I don't know about that, but I can do
other things.
Speaker 5: But well, I mean, come on.
Speaker 4: I don't want to. Let's see here I got these
are initials. I just show them in yeh see that.
This is taken in the early part of the filming
when the camera man was down below the embankment looking
up at her right.
Speaker 5: So there's arrows right at the top right hand corner there.
If you take your thing and then hit nope, not
on that screen, you're the black screen. Here. Go to
the upper right hand corner. There's two arrows on that.
I don't see them right next to the exit. Should
be right in there, right here, no up top, there
are at the bottom of yours. Now see those were
blowing up even more up the top there, maximized.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you see he's looking straight up her in and
you know what that tells me? That that tells me
that wherever she's living, it's she's living in restricted space
that she has to scoot on her very end. You
see how that hair is gone from the inside of
the cleavage.
Speaker 5: If you roll on the pitch, it will blow it
up a little bit too.
Speaker 4: And when you're there, we go, it's right here this area. Yep,
she's been scooting around on that. She's either living in
an overhang or cave.
Speaker 5: Or or the layer or the layer or the place.
Speaker 4: So these are the three different frames. That's why I say,
these people who make these things, what happens to the
person who says it can't be real because it has
no cleavage and it's not true, but people listen to it.
He's done. Damn, it's unjustly to this film. He should
have never if he can't see this, he has he
don't need to look at the rest of it, or
I say he he or she? Yeah, I don't know.
If I let me get it back there we go.
That's of course, there's other other shots that show it.
This is an animation. I don't know what that is.
My say, I just made one with identification. Uh, let's see, here's.
Speaker 5: A so after this. So, what are your plans for
after the release? Once they release this? Where are your plans?
I'm sure you're you're going to go and use what
they got to prove them wrong.
Speaker 4: Right, well, I will do my best. I'm not going
to put anything out there, but what's right off on
that film? Take a look at this. There's a butte
and a bat saw bear. You can see that it's bear.
I mean, that's no suit.
Speaker 5: Yep, there's just no way that. Like I said, and
I'm sure everybody's heard this a million times, but the
Planet of the Apes was going on when this was released,
and there's no way that any of the costumes on
the Planet of the Apes even comes close to what
they what they're seeing. I just it would have cost
way too much money for a person that had no
money to begin with to make that suit. Like they
have a tough time making it for under you know,
six grand now six grand back then would be you know,
there's this huge amount of money, even if they had
the right materials to do it.
Speaker 4: Again, that's miss Patterson. H If you've never seen her,
that's her. And you see she loves the color purple,
absolutely adoors that she makes. She was making beadwork, most
of it was purple. I regret not buying any from her.
Speaker 5: She left you and dine at the house by yourselves, right,
and she went out to the store. That's how much
she trusted you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: She left us with with five of those frames, those
four by five frames at the Yakima Photo House. We're
having them scanned. And she went on, gosh, I would
have I would have fought one of those monsters at
Monster Central, uh to rather than have anything happen to them.
Speaker 5: It. Uh.
Speaker 4: I really appreciated that. There I am. Yeah, there's some
of her beadwork.
Speaker 5: So you came across the really good frame by it
falling out right, I mean it.
Speaker 4: She went up in the closet and came down out
with a shoe box and she put it on the
table and she was picking an envelope out. You know
how they got a little flap on the top of
the envelope. It had caught in some pictures and when
she pulled it up, they tumbled out into the floor
and it was five of those four by five print transparencies.
And she said, oh, those are Rogers negatives and I said, no, ma'am,
they're not negatives. These are these are positive images. And
I was stunned by their clarity, absolutely stunned. Let me
see if I can find, uh, do.
Speaker 5: You still do you still have that posted for anybody
to go and grab that frame that wants it?
Speaker 4: What frame?
Speaker 5: The frame that you shared with everybody?
Speaker 4: I still yeah, it's still there, still available, there's done.
That's the one I took in her backyard, holding a
type and paper behind it. Have you ever shared these
pictures for I have shared this one right here, but
I haven't shared the original. You know. Yeah, all kinds
of people say all kinds of things. But I have
been the ins and outs of this frame, of these films,
this film and all its frames. I pretty much have
a deep and abiding understanding of what I'm looking at.
Speaker 5: El Santrica wants to know who's the young man in
that photo.
Speaker 4: I almost don't recognize myself.
Speaker 5: I think you look the same. I think i'd be
able to pick your guys.
Speaker 4: Out back then where I worked, they would not allow
you to have a beard, so they are I just
stay clean shaven.
Speaker 5: So if you guys got questions in capital letters, were
almost at the end of our our stay here. Uh
do you have I want to play that one, the
one thing where you you you take the face and
you how you I forgot which one that was called here.
Speaker 4: We met with him that afternoon. I want people to
understand that these people are just people. They're not they're
not gods, that they're not anything other than they put
their clothes on in the mornings, and the ordinary people
who've had to live a very extraordinary life. And uh,
and this lady right here needs some help. She needed
some help right then. And her husband wasn't there, and
I just felt so sorry for her. That was that
was that was something for him to handle, and he
wasn't there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 6: All right, let's see if we got any questions.
Speaker 4: Look all up here at the purple up in the
window seal.
Speaker 5: Michael Morgan's is very interesting information tonight, Thank you, Michael.
See all the purple hoops. I got to put it
back up here off the stage. It was like a
sweet lady.
Speaker 4: She's very nice, she was so sweet. She she wanted
she wants to be ordinary, you know, uh in the
worst kind of way. And and it was that fam
forced her not to be let me get onto the
share screen.
Speaker 5: Here, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 4: See if I can do it? How do you back
out of it?
Speaker 5: No, you're out.
Speaker 6: I took your heart off. So see if we got
any questions. Well, I want to say thank you again.
Speaker 5: If there's anybody else on this planet that is as
you know, spent as many hours, as many days, I
mean probably months looking at this. Yeah, I'd like, you know,
it's unreal. I mean, Don's told me many stories. How
you know, you would hours and you get out of
work and you would just be ten hours of looking
at the film and then sleeping for a couple hours
and getting up and going back to work, and then
getting out of work again and back right back at
the film.
Speaker 4: And the first enlargement I did was the life Sized
Patty and it was composed of eighty three panels that
were assembled together and glued onto a plywood board. And
it was spectacular. They said it couldn't be done. How
many people told me that? No telling, how many people,
and after that they didn't say that anymore.
Speaker 5: We couldn't. I just wanted to share one more file everybody,
so you can check this outre we go. This is
the big picture that brought up some controversy, you little
body a year ago. I just want to show you
what MK did.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 5: This is MK's work.
Speaker 4: Well it's it's also Todd Gatewood's work. Also. Uh the
those that's the picture I sent to Todd and that's
what he sent back. And by fading them in and
out of each other, you can follow all the details
and you can see them on both both images that
he didn't create anything with AI. As a matter of fact,
if you blow it on up, blow it on up
to that cheek right there, just stop right there, you'll
see right there, you see right along. I can't my
my my cursor is not showing.
Speaker 5: I don't think where do you want me to go.
Speaker 4: Over to the left just a little bit right there,
go straight up to the right just a little bit.
There's your there's your braid.
Speaker 5: See the chevron, Yeah you can see, yeah, look at
it now.
Speaker 4: Todd did not know about the break, but it came
up in there when he when he look at that. Yeah,
it's it's kind of trapped under the hair at that time.
It's uh, the wind, the wind let go of it,
and it came back down.
Speaker 5: Look at you can see where it's gone from here
and then it goes to here and down.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh that's pretty cool. I've never seen that before. Look
at it. Then you can see look at it's tied
right here, and then you can see the rest of it.
That's not the hair on her cheek, that's.
Speaker 4: From the No, that's that's it's it's tied.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can see that. Yeah, that's pretty wild.
Speaker 4: And I'm grateful to Todd. Uh. You know, we've had
some differences, but they haven't been over his work. You know.
He he does great work. And that's this is so
valuable and helping people want to understand what see what
those people saw, See what the two two guys saw. Wow,
that's that's just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5: I wanted to show that because that's that's wow.
Speaker 4: I still I still have a lump come up in
my throat.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. It's pretty amazing. You know. Someone says she's
got to stay in follow He says, she's got to
sparkle in her eye.
Speaker 4: Seems to some people say that's a person, they can
see a person. Uh, you know, that's kind of going
a little too far because in order for that person
to fit on in a gleam, he had to be
standing beside her.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, and there was nobody standing beside her, so you
know it.
Speaker 5: So do you have any you have any final thoughts
for everybody? Mk? You gotta, you gotta final thoughts for
everybody before we we check out here for the night.
Speaker 4: No, there's more you know about that that could be
brought out. But I thank you for giving me this opportunity.
And you got to take care of an old matter
and and kind of look at some of those cut
right cutting cutting edge not cut right cutting edge stuff
with a Patterson van and you hope people can know
and appreciate and understand that those guys are hucksters. But
they're people, you know, people. They people do all kinds
of things.
Speaker 5: Well, we've all waited for a while now, and nothing's
coming out. I haven't heard anything of anything coming out
anytime soon or nothing or anything like that.
Speaker 4: So bring it out if they want to. But if
they it would it would also I would feel plenty Okay,
if they did.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: All right, everybody, that's all we got for tonight's show.
I'm gonna let m K go and get on with
his night first, and then I'll come back and say
good night to everybody here. Again, thank you, my friend.
I appreciate it. Again, This Frankie Brown is in the
audience down and again we brought you up at the beginning,
Frankie about the story and the reason why this show
happened tonight was because of you. And MK came and
told his part of the story, and and then we
got into a little patty and we'll definitely have him
back again because he just barely scratched the surface tonight.
I don't know what I'm going to start back on,
but anyways, I'll let him Hey go first. All right,
So thank you, my friend. If you want to hang
out backstage, if you want for a little bit, if not,
I'll talk to you soon, all right, ladies and gentlemen,
Mister m K Davis, all right, all right, all right, well,
thank you guys again. You all know I'm on a
little hiatus, but it was important. I called him MKA
and told him about There was another guy on the
podcast talked about the shooting and brought up his name,
so we thought it was important for him to come
on tonight and talk about that, and then we talked
a little bit about the Patty stuff that's going on.
Of course, we're always thankful to have someone with his
expertise on the show. Again, I don't have any shows
planned coming up anytime soon. Just keep an eye open.
I just want to let you guys know I my
channel on YouTube is being shut down by YouTube. I've
been demonetized and now I have another letter that they
are taking my channel off the air. So I'm not
sure what's going on yet. I'm gonna come back on
YouTube with a different name. I'll always be real American
Monsters here on the Untold Radio Until Radio Network for
the podcast. I think I'm gonna be going as the
name of Shadow Drifter will be the name of the
new channel. I'm not sure where we're gonna go yet.
I'm leaning towards Patreon just to have a membership, just
to keep it real and not be Shadow band again.
That's why I'm going with the name Shadow Drifter because
I've been shadow banned on YouTube ever since I started.
I have videos that are sixteen or twelve years old
and got four hundred views. I mean, paint drying videos
have more than over twelve years. So I've been put
at the bottom for a long time and I don't know.
I think that's where we're leaning, but well, I don't know.
We'll see what happens. I'll let you guys all know.
So again, I don't have anything coming up soon, but
thank you guys all for showing up. You know, I
love teaching every one of you. And as my friend
Larry says, get in the woods, people.
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Could be dead. Is this something I have done to
think that was gone?
Speaker 3: Come?
Speaker 4: I cannot be mass.
Speaker 1: So far.
Speaker 2: Once in a wild.
Speaker 1: I get tired of talking.
Speaker 3: I'm good on a smile.
Speaker 1: Let my alter e go.
Speaker 2: Wherever go the stays were shown.
Speaker 1: I can a sweet myself want so