1
00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:39,159
Speaker 1: Big Foot stomping through woods. Son of Shadow a noo,

2
00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:44,280
my man looking ned.

3
00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:59,719
Speaker 2: That's buy a burden by don't man holding the.

4
00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:10,640
Speaker 3: Shadow creep and bringing you sad by a thirsty folder,

5
00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,560
leave you cold.

6
00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:29,840
Speaker 2: To leave your bed, last dream shine, don you fall?

7
00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:31,159
Saturday Fail.

8
00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:43,239
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Alan Swamps.

9
00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:47,799
Speaker 4: Welcome to Real American Monsters.

10
00:01:53,319 --> 00:02:00,760
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, hello, my friends in Monsterland. Tuesday night again

11
00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:04,120
on the Untold Radio Network, and Real American Monsters is

12
00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,760
back in the chair. We're back at the Helm, and

13
00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:10,479
we are here for the next ninety minutes. I just

14
00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:12,960
wanted to say thank you all for joining us tonight.

15
00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:16,400
I've been taking a little siesta from the podcast scene

16
00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,879
and and we're back for a special program tonight. I

17
00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,199
had miss Frankie Brown. I know a lot of people

18
00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,759
probably know who Frankie is, and she contacted me and

19
00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,319
told me a story that she heard on another podcast

20
00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,360
about MK being at a camp where a sasquatch was

21
00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:36,719
actually shot or a rumored to be shot. And I'm like, geez,

22
00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:38,879
I've been talking to MK for you know, a good

23
00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:41,520
amount of years now, and I have never ever heard

24
00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:44,280
this story. So I had we got a hold of

25
00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,879
him just to make sure this guy was telling the truth.

26
00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,719
And you know, MK was there and all that. So

27
00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,000
I called them K and I told him about what

28
00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:54,280
was going on. I sent him the interview and he goes, yeah,

29
00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,960
I was there, Chris, and he told me the whole story.

30
00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:00,759
And I'm said that, like, geez, you know what yet

31
00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:02,599
of all these you know, all these years, I bet

32
00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,719
you a lot of these folks that come on my

33
00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,039
show or come on a lot of shows, have never

34
00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,560
heard this before. And it was twenty years ago. And uh,

35
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,759
so I asked him, you know, everybody, I knew it

36
00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,439
was taking a break. So I asked MK to be

37
00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,919
on the show tonight and tell that story. And then,

38
00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:24,360
you know who better to talk about Patty the the

39
00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,639
Parterison Gimlin film being real than.

40
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:28,280
Speaker 4: M K.

41
00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:31,479
Speaker 5: I called the I call him Patty's defense attorney. Uh.

42
00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,360
You know, he has studied that film over and over again,

43
00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:37,680
and we will get into that after after this, he

44
00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,439
tells us about the camp out or the hunt or

45
00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:45,479
whatever they called it that night once we get through that.

46
00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:49,599
So I'm excited. I'm glad that MK uh wants to

47
00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,960
come out and tell the story and set set it

48
00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,360
straight and tell everybody what really happened that night and

49
00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,919
how it went down. And m K actually had a

50
00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,240
sighting why he was at that camp out, so he

51
00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,599
actually saw a sasquatch or whatever running all fours away

52
00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:07,599
from So I'll let him tell the rest of the story.

53
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,319
And I'm looking very forward to thank you. So thanks

54
00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,319
to Miss Frankie Brown. We are here tonight. So glad evening, everybody.

55
00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,639
Glad to see everybody that could show up tonight. Good

56
00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,879
having missus. Francesca's with us, Miss Diane Follered, Glad to

57
00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,360
see you. Mister Chris Calbreese. Good evening, good evening, gooding, Chris,

58
00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:30,439
I hope you're feeling better. Mister flat Rocks with us.

59
00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,120
Wellow Wendell. Wendell's with us tonight, I believe also Missty's

60
00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,920
with us tonight. Yeah, Missy's in the house. Joshua dash

61
00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,480
you five J four E's with us. Good evening, good evening, Joshua.

62
00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,160
Glad to have you here. So I'm sure I'm sure

63
00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:50,720
it'll it'll keep filling up as the night rolls around.

64
00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,639
This is a story that not a lot of people

65
00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,519
have heard, and you guys are going to get to

66
00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,319
hear it. Right right from MK's mouth. So without further

67
00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,480
to do, let's bring out our special guests for tonight.

68
00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:18,639
Mister m K. Davis. Right, good evening, my friend. How

69
00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:18,879
are you.

70
00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,600
Speaker 4: I'm fine?

71
00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:21,560
Speaker 5: All right?

72
00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:22,279
Speaker 4: How are you?

73
00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:25,439
Speaker 5: I'm great? Thank you for taking time out of your

74
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,240
busy schedule. I know you got you're a busy man.

75
00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,399
People don't know the other half of you like I

76
00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,360
know the other half of you, and you are always

77
00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:35,519
on the road and always busy, busy, busy. So thank

78
00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,079
you very much for agreeing to be here tonight again.

79
00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,560
I really, I really cherish your friendship and I love

80
00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:43,720
always talking to you.

81
00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:48,199
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on. It's been a long

82
00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:56,079
time ago, about the year two thousand and one, I

83
00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:02,800
think about it. It's back before I met Don Monroe

84
00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,399
or or began my you know, out of sea at

85
00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:14,560
in the Pacific Northwest, I was at a an event

86
00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,920
there was in Louisiana, but so close to the Texas border,

87
00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:22,040
sawmost Texas too.

88
00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:25,319
Speaker 1: It was.

89
00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,759
Speaker 4: I wasn't, I wasn't actually one of the people who

90
00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,079
were hunting. This was a hunt and it was done

91
00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,759
by the g C b r O Golf Coast Bigfoot

92
00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,120
Research organization who who make no qualms about the fact

93
00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,759
that they're pro killed and it is a sensitive subject.

94
00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:55,360
People get really really emotional about that. But I'm not

95
00:06:55,439 --> 00:07:02,639
an emotional person. Uh when I understand what I'm looking at, right,

96
00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:05,720
and that's that's what I was there for.

97
00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,079
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Okay, okay, before we go any further, amok.

98
00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,040
I gotta play something for the boss. Got to play

99
00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:14,319
the disclaimer before we move on, and then we're gonna

100
00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:16,439
have you come back and tell your story.

101
00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:16,879
Speaker 4: Here we go.

102
00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:34,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, sorry about that. I always forget that

103
00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,920
every every podcast, you know, like you walk at my podcast,

104
00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,959
and I always forget that, so tonight I wasn't gonna

105
00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,480
forget it, So all right, go ahead, sir. Well it's

106
00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,160
it's Uh. It wasn't the first time that I had

107
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,240
been on one of these with with the g c

108
00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:51,720
v R O.

109
00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:57,040
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, it didn't seem to be that much

110
00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:59,879
of a stretch to me if it were a gorilla

111
00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:04,639
or animal to want to discover it, and that's the

112
00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:11,560
way most discoveries are made. But at that time, I

113
00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:16,959
didn't have a full range of knowledge about what I

114
00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,480
was in pursuit of or what I was trying to

115
00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:23,639
find out about I was just keeping the fire warm

116
00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:26,920
back at camp. I didn't have a I didn't have

117
00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,720
a gun, And tell you the truth, I couldn't hit

118
00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,200
the broad side of a barn. That you wouldn't want.

119
00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,440
You wouldn't want me to be the one who's firing

120
00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:44,720
away at a bigfoot or a sasquatch or a monster. Ah.

121
00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:52,559
Because of that, that very fact. But they were very

122
00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,120
gracious to let me kind of pend and hang on

123
00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:03,759
with them. Uh. They they had been at this for

124
00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,200
quite a number of years. No one had ever taken

125
00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:12,120
a shot before. And that's because they had a very

126
00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:19,879
rigid requirement uh that to make a discovery, they wanted

127
00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,840
to mail only only you can only shoot a male.

128
00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,799
And it had to be no no little ones, no

129
00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,279
small juvenile males. Uh. It had to be something that

130
00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:41,720
would not damage the population or damage it the least.

131
00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,320
And they had you know, a lot of thought went

132
00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:50,039
into what to do with if you did that did

133
00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,720
happen or occur. But up until that point they had

134
00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:54,320
no one ever had ever shot.

135
00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:56,559
Speaker 3: Uh.

136
00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,559
Speaker 4: In this case, you know, I was sitting around the

137
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,600
fire and come three or four guys with me, uh,

138
00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:08,399
and I heard the shot. And you know that we

139
00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:11,639
were up on the in the hills and the ridge

140
00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:15,279
and the shot came from down in the hollow along

141
00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:15,759
the creek.

142
00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:18,159
Speaker 2: Uh.

143
00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,360
Speaker 4: We had a radio and the radio came on and

144
00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,360
the guy says, I got one. And he says, now

145
00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,919
the g C b R old people said shoot him again.

146
00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:33,600
He says, I don't have to. He's dead. And of

147
00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,879
course when everybody got down there, there was no monster.

148
00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,679
And the guy was standing there and he said, I

149
00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,879
don't understand it. I shot him between the so so

150
00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:50,039
vertebra and the other vertebra and you know, uh, but

151
00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,279
I guess it didn't occur to him that that it's

152
00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:59,320
it's vertebrus may not be the same. You know, you're

153
00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:05,000
you're shooting at the unknown. He put human parameters on.

154
00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:10,360
He was trained, trained, got trained in the military. Uh,

155
00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:13,039
native American guy, but not a member of the g

156
00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,399
C B r M. And they'd already had some issues

157
00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,799
with him. They said he was under powered, he really

158
00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,159
should not be part of the hunt. But he was

159
00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,279
able to talk his way into it. And they had

160
00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:32,120
a roadkill deer that they had put out down there,

161
00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,679
and this thing was crawling on its belly to the

162
00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:42,519
deer and he took carefully aim at this vertebra he's

163
00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,879
he named, and shot and he said, it's dead. It's

164
00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:51,960
it's gone. That's down. And when everybody got down, there

165
00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:55,159
was none and they were looking for any sign that

166
00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,679
could find. And they they got on the radio back

167
00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,279
to where we were and asked if we would bring

168
00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:06,039
them some extra lights. So I had my truck and

169
00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,399
everybody got in it and we put lights and you know,

170
00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,879
loaded it with lights. And on our way down, Yeah,

171
00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,200
all of a sudden there's tall grass on either side,

172
00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:22,840
you know, either side, and this came out of the

173
00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:29,120
tall grass. And when it entered into that gap, you know,

174
00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,840
where the road is worn down. I got a really

175
00:12:32,879 --> 00:12:37,440
good look at it, and I don't my mind says

176
00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,559
no match found. I didn't know what I was looking at.

177
00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,480
It was not and I repeat that, not a Paddy

178
00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,000
type thing. It didn't look anything like the Patterson film.

179
00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:02,240
And like I said, the gcbureau, they were they were

180
00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,879
always calling it a monster. They never they never referred

181
00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:11,120
to it as a bigfoot. But these this this history

182
00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:14,639
of these things being in those in those bottom lands

183
00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:23,120
there in Louisiana. It was quite long and extensive. So

184
00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,919
it's not like it was the first thing anybody'd ever

185
00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:33,720
heard of, you know, anything like that. But at any rate,

186
00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:36,919
they were quite upset at this gentleman for taking this

187
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,080
shot number one with an underpowered gun and number two

188
00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:50,480
shooting it in a non lethal place. Which uh, yeah,

189
00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,960
Like I said, he was not a member. He he

190
00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,679
came with someone else from Oklahoma. He was from Oklahoma,

191
00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:04,480
Native American at at least in part, and he had

192
00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,879
this before before they started the hunt. He had a ceremony,

193
00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,360
you know, where he sat in front of the fire

194
00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:14,399
where his legs crossed and did some kind of prayer

195
00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:20,440
and chant and then and then of course the rest

196
00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:25,919
I've told you about. Let me let me describe what

197
00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,200
I saw. It wasn't large. It was maybe one hundred pounds.

198
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,639
It ran really low in the grass. I mean, I

199
00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,840
don't know how you even do this, except that it

200
00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:42,039
resembled a rabbit with you know, rabbits so bring their

201
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,519
back legs up ahead of their body and then push

202
00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,960
and grab and pushing like that. But he wasn't bobbing

203
00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,159
up and down at all. He was staying down under

204
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,759
the grass. And when he came out across in front

205
00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:59,360
of me. I got a really good view of him.

206
00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,000
This this is an artist conception that someone had done

207
00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:11,000
that was reasonably close. You can't see the head, uh,

208
00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:17,240
if you can imagine being down down low and stretching out,

209
00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,240
you know, push and pull and push and pull. It

210
00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,360
had an oval shaped head, uh. And it had small ears.

211
00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:35,039
And when it got past where I could see the

212
00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:44,200
the feet, the feet were long and slender. Uh. They

213
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,879
were plenty big, but they were slender. They weren't They

214
00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:50,759
weren't the wide foot you'd see, you know, a sasquatch.

215
00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,480
And it did abound right at the last and came

216
00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:01,039
out of that grass and went up in the and

217
00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:04,440
we came back down. It was inside the tree line,

218
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,320
and we continued on and we brought the lights down

219
00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,559
and they began to look, and there was some stuff

220
00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:22,919
on the ground which they said was gut material, you know,

221
00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,919
like you've been shot in the gut. To me, it

222
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,879
looked like gelatine with some little black seeds looking stuff.

223
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,759
And I don't I'm not an expert on that. I

224
00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,840
don't know. I take their word for it. But it

225
00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:42,960
to you all those listening that know anything about anything

226
00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,360
like that, maybe it rings a bell with you. At

227
00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:54,519
the time, they couldn't catch up to it, so how

228
00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,279
bad it was hurt, I wouldn't think it was hurt

229
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:03,200
all that bad because it it out paced everybody. And uh,

230
00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:07,000
there was a gentleman up in a tree stand who

231
00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:13,880
said he could see it, and no sooner than he said,

232
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,799
I see it, he's looking in a thermal camera. That

233
00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,200
the batteries went dead in the thermal camera, so he

234
00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,000
couldn't tell anybody where it was because he wasn't from there,

235
00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:35,759
and you know, he didn't know the place if he

236
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,640
did the best he could, and they made their way

237
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,440
around all out through there. They they they they lasted

238
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,440
to hunt for that thing, lasted for hours and eventually

239
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:54,759
for weeks. They didn't give up. There's a there's another

240
00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:56,480
part of the story, but I'm not gonna get into

241
00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:03,039
that because that's a research material for then they uh,

242
00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:08,200
they hunting what they called a monster, and I can't

243
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:14,000
really argue with that. Recently, there's been some AI stuff

244
00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:20,519
that have come out that the most accurately portrays what

245
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,720
I saw. I don't know whether it's an accident or

246
00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:27,240
whether somebody had some prior knowledge, but this is it

247
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:34,240
right here. That's that's what I saw right there.

248
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,079
Speaker 5: How big would you say? Okay? It was how it was?

249
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,799
Speaker 4: It was small. It was like about one hundred pounds.

250
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,680
I'm guessing that because you know, I'm putting human parameters

251
00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,440
on it too. Uh. You know, if you sometimes you

252
00:18:57,599 --> 00:18:59,799
find out that you're all wrong, if you ever got

253
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,359
a chance to walk up to it and weigh it,

254
00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:09,599
that sometimes the you know, the density had bone density

255
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,240
and a lot of stuff makes a big difference. But

256
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,759
it was running as if in a panic, and I've

257
00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:20,720
got to believe that it was associated with associated with

258
00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:24,720
that gunshot. Could you show that again because I want

259
00:19:24,759 --> 00:19:32,200
to make a statement about that. Yeah. This Uh, this

260
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,880
came from Duke Sullivan's Sunday Night show and he got

261
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,240
it from someone else who was emailed to the someone

262
00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:46,160
else and he can't remember who emailed it to him,

263
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,319
but I wanted to give acknowledgment, uh, Duke, Duke. Uh.

264
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,680
The the word that he puts on it, and what

265
00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:04,640
it's supposed to be was googway. A googway, uh, which

266
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,160
I never heard of it before. But when you listen

267
00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:17,599
to a Native American describe a googleway, it's about like this. Uh,

268
00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:23,160
and the word googway means or translates as face eater.

269
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,400
How does that strike you?

270
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 5: I wouldn't wanted to meet one.

271
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 4: Uh No, look at the teeth. I mean they say AI,

272
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:43,119
but it's it's clearly based on something I didn't tell anybody,

273
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,799
So I don't it didn't. It didn't. It didn't based

274
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,200
upon my siding, But that was based upon my siety.

275
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:59,599
You see the similarities. So I only had this to

276
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,759
go for all these years, and now that I appreciate

277
00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:07,079
the the AI clip even though it's not real, it's

278
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,039
a portrayal, and it serves that purpose very well.

279
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:13,799
Speaker 5: Uh.

280
00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 4: It's kind of thing will bother you. It'll bother you

281
00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:20,640
for years, not the fact, not the fact that they

282
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,119
shot it, but the fact that we missed a chance,

283
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:34,000
uh to make our discovery. For sure enough, I can

284
00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,880
see why they call it a monster, especially if it

285
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,839
is known to eat people's faces. Uh. That would fit

286
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,079
the description in my book. If I if I were

287
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,000
out in the woods and this thing grabbed me, I

288
00:21:54,119 --> 00:22:01,559
would appreciate someone shooting it. Uh. You know it's it's yeah,

289
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:13,000
I'm very pro human. My own species takes precedence. When

290
00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:17,359
when this thing right here? When what it came across

291
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,039
in front of me, I didn't I didn't think that

292
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,480
there's my brother. Uh. It never even entered my mind.

293
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,400
I was bewildered. It was puzzling.

294
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 5: Was it trying to get away from you?

295
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:33,599
Speaker 4: Was it?

296
00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 5: Or did a second glance back at you? Could you

297
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,680
not to say that? Or did it have a bee line?

298
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,440
Didn't have an you knew where it was trying to

299
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,359
get away? Do you think?

300
00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,319
Speaker 4: Good question? It was a bee line? I didn't see

301
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,759
it looked towards us at all. The headlights hit it directly,

302
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,119
it lit it up. It just didn't stay in front

303
00:22:54,160 --> 00:23:00,160
of us long. You know, it came across fast. One

304
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,480
of the other guys got a glimpse of it that

305
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:05,000
were in the truck. There was two guys in the back,

306
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,400
one in the cab with me. He was talking to

307
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,240
the two guys in the back through the back sliding glass,

308
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,440
and when I said, y'all see that, he turns around

309
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:22,440
in time to get a glimpse of it. And I understand,

310
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:27,680
you know, the gentleman who took that shot, even though

311
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,079
people were upset with him, they it was nothing personal.

312
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,440
It's that it did not go as as the way

313
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:45,119
it was set up to go, and it was, you know,

314
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:51,119
it was that was very disappointing. And I'm sure you

315
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:57,000
know they they've managed two over the years to put

316
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,559
it behind him. As far as I know, other shots

317
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:10,960
been fired. But it's uh, that was the night of

318
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:16,319
two thousand and one in along the Louisiana Texas border,

319
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,680
and of course things change, and that all that country

320
00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:26,400
up and there changed dramatically, you know, with a discovery

321
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,880
of large pockets of natural gas and stuff like that.

322
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:36,440
They so it's uh, it's it's a memory, a distant memory.

323
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: How did you end up at the fire? How how

324
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,839
did you come to be there?

325
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,079
Speaker 4: Kay? We invited or oh, I was invited. I was

326
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,400
a dues paying member, you know, I was that I

327
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:55,920
when I got interested in Sasquatch, I looked up organizations

328
00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:01,799
and I could either join one that was way up north,

329
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,319
you know, very distant, or I could join one that

330
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:10,359
was down south, close to where I lived. That was

331
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,799
my thinking. I would get with these guys and see,

332
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:22,559
you know, try to get an idea knowledge seeker. But

333
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,960
I'm well aware that you know, not everybody is qualified

334
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,920
to carry a gun. I'm certainly not. Oh, you're talking

335
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:40,400
about people who've hunted their whole wives and people from

336
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:46,799
Louisiana and from Texas. You don't tell them how to

337
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:53,400
hunt that they won't take you well. And you're certainly

338
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:54,920
not going to have me tell them.

339
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:56,279
Speaker 5: Well.

340
00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 4: I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn myself, and

341
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,720
there a few times I aimed at a barn and

342
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:03,200
missed it.

343
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:08,319
Speaker 5: So I know, Yeah, they're not going to hire you

344
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,880
as their their their lead gunmen to take the side.

345
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,079
Speaker 4: They've been very kind to me. That organization down through

346
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:22,400
the years has helped me, and they've extended themselves and

347
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,960
uh for something that was really none of none of

348
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,200
the no benefit to them, but they they did it

349
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:35,279
for my sake and I have nothing but appreciation for that.

350
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 5: It's good to have friends like that. You know, no

351
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,400
matter how you think or what you what you think,

352
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,319
if one person thinks another way and you can still

353
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,240
be friends and still support each other and and that

354
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,240
that goes a long ways in this for sure.

355
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, just being pro people. You know, you love your neighbor,

356
00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,559
you know, it's it's it's uh human being as special.

357
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,960
They are special animals, but they're not as special as people.

358
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 5: Are right right, We're gonna take a couple of questions

359
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,000
while we're here before we move on to the patty thing.

360
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,880
Uh about about the night here? And uh, please put

361
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,400
them all on caps and I'll get them up for

362
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,119
MK and then we'll move on. If you guys got

363
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:29,319
any questions about this night? How come you you didn't

364
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,799
really talk about I mean, this isn't a story that

365
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,599
you you you talk about often, or you kind of

366
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,640
buried it away in a sense, Why did you do?

367
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:39,519
Why did you put that in the back burner.

368
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 4: I didn't have a film or a video, and only

369
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,559
one person got a glimpse of it other than me. Uh,

370
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:59,200
so it didn't I didn't feel compelled to to jump

371
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:06,000
up and say an improvable thing. That's That's kind of

372
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:13,400
why it's a if you if you want to, yuh,

373
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:20,000
make something that's impactful, you know, you need to have

374
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:25,880
good proof. And so that's the way I kind of

375
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,319
felt about it. I wouldn't be saying nothing now if

376
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,680
the owl Man, the our Man had not gone on

377
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:42,519
how to Hunt and mentioned that I was there and

378
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,039
lo and behold, you know several people got in touch

379
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:50,079
with me. You did, and uh, it became a concern,

380
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,200
you know that that the accurate facts of the matter.

381
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:59,079
You know, be H made sure that they were.

382
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,559
Speaker 5: You know, they're to end the story right, right, No,

383
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,640
it's it's important to get the facts out there for sure.

384
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:10,559
If you were presented again today, would you would you

385
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,400
do the same thing? Would you go to the fire?

386
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,200
If they were going on the hunt again, would you

387
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640
would you would you go to an outing like that again?

388
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,119
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know, be honest with you,

389
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,720
I'm not physically in shape to do it. I'm seventy

390
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:31,200
years old. Back then I was, I was on fire

391
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:37,160
and pumped up, and I can go. I wanted an answer,

392
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,319
you know, like the young A younger person wants their

393
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:47,480
answers quicker. You know, I don't know. I don't know.

394
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,519
I don't know if they will find that even find

395
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:54,160
that situation again. This was at a place that they

396
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,759
nicknamed it Monster Central. I mean, that's how that were prevalent.

397
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,279
They had sightings there down through the years, so they

398
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,880
kind of knew where. These people were well educated on it.

399
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,960
I think that it had that person not scored on

400
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:19,240
his shot, I don't think that the Bigfoot mystery would

401
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,240
be solved, but I think that the monster mystery might be.

402
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,319
Speaker 5: Do you do you think he shot him? Do you

403
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:29,359
really think he got a good shot, or do you

404
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,960
think it was a total miss.

405
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: Well, I don't have anything other than that those little

406
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,839
gelatine type stuff, and I don't I'm not an expert

407
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,880
enough on it to say if that was gut material.

408
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,839
If that was gut material, I guess he must have.

409
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,759
But if if it wasn't, if it was some kind

410
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:56,680
of uh, you know, that's something that vegetation does. I

411
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,200
don't really know. You know, I could, I could. I

412
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,319
have no proof that he did it. Now, later on,

413
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,000
later on they found some more evidence. And if if

414
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:11,799
that were the case, did that belong to that same preacher?

415
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:21,480
It's probably probably he did, But that was weeks.

416
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,839
Speaker 5: Later, right, And no, you what did you think? I

417
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,799
got one more question? What do you think hope to

418
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,160
find when you when you ran out in front of everybody,

419
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,039
when you heard the gun shot and then you heard

420
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,799
the shot one you tried to get out in front

421
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,119
of everybody. What was your goal there? What was your

422
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,920
goal to get out in front of everybody there?

423
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: You know, I don't that that I think about that

424
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,519
a lot, But I think that you're you're acting with

425
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,000
impulse a lot. But I kind of wanted to be

426
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,240
out in front and get the first look at it.

427
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,960
But that if if it was something of some kind

428
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:06,400
of a person or human, I definitely wanted to holler

429
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:11,599
back over my shoulder and say so, Uh. If it weren't,

430
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,480
then it was probably gonna eat eat me alive. If

431
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:22,200
I called up to it with no weapon and uh, yeah,

432
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:26,119
it was risky. Is I'll get out? Uh, I'm I'm

433
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:30,079
I feel lucky to you know, I didn't stumble upon

434
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,559
the thing.

435
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: Muh.

436
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: You those those uh, those guys had weapons that would

437
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,920
absolutely uh, they'd bring a charge in ryan Oceros down.

438
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,559
They didn't want it to jump around hurt, they didn't.

439
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,160
They just wanted it to decease instantly, you know. Uh

440
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,319
a kill shot what you call a kill shot. And

441
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:05,160
there there's more organizations out there that that prescribed that. Also,

442
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,079
they got the Wood eight Conservancy and they've been trying

443
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,200
to make a discovery in the state of Texas and

444
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:22,680
maybe Oklahoma are yeah bye bye by shooting one, They

445
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:24,640
too have not been successful.

446
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:29,359
Speaker 5: Why do you think that is? Why do you think

447
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,480
it's so hard? To get a get a you know.

448
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,400
I mean, we can't even get a camera on them.

449
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,400
What makes you think they could get a gun on

450
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,440
you know what I mean? I just why do you

451
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:39,279
think it's so hard?

452
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. If you listen to

453
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,279
some of these guys stories, you might get some kind

454
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:50,160
of a clue as to why they're driven. I know

455
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,920
that Bobby Hamilton, when he was a child, him and

456
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,440
his brother shared a room and one of these things

457
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:04,359
came up to the window and it was motioning for

458
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:10,119
him to come to the window, and it had all

459
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:16,239
of his teeth show, and it was grinning, and it

460
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,159
affected him deeply, you know, and from then on it

461
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,280
was a monster and he was going to get it.

462
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,159
Speaker 5: You know.

463
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 4: I see how that can develop in a person. It

464
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,119
might would have done me the same way.

465
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 5: That just gave me the will. He's thinking about it. Yeah,

466
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,000
he knew who he was, he knew what he was doing.

467
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,880
He's showing him, he's taunting. He's like, this is what

468
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,800
I got for you, and you come get me.

469
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,559
Speaker 4: And if they could get he could talk him into

470
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,679
coming a little closer, he might may try to grab

471
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,719
him through the window, you know, run your arm through

472
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,880
that glass and get it.

473
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,639
Speaker 5: After the twenty years since this has happened, and you

474
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,719
say you're pro people and all that, do you think

475
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,480
that the Bigfoot are cape? I mean, obviously they're capable

476
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:11,920
of hurting humans. Do you think they there's some written

477
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,159
rule or something that they can't do or something that

478
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,480
they don't want to do to hurt humans? Do you

479
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,320
after all these years, you don't really hear them. You know,

480
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,400
hear many cases that I'm hurting. I mean in history

481
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,159
you heard cases of it, but not in the lass,

482
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,800
you know whatever. Fifty years you haven't heard them taking

483
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,440
people or anything. I mean, we don't know that. But

484
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:35,719
for a fact, why do you why do you think

485
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,639
that is? Why do you think that they're not you know, in.

486
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,039
Speaker 4: Terms of discussing the differences between what you call a

487
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:51,800
monster that that portrayal in the AI, you know that's

488
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,960
not patty. Uh So there's lots of things that have

489
00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:01,719
big feet, and of the size of their feet, they

490
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,360
could be described as a bigfoot. But what you see

491
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,159
on the Patterson film is not what you saw what

492
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,679
I saw, uh in that area, and it's it's apples

493
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,639
and oranges. Ah, those what Patty. You saw Patty what

494
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,199
she did?

495
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 5: You know what?

496
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: You know there were others around. They if there were

497
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,800
just two guys down there, they certainly could have had them.

498
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,760
They might have had to sacrifice, but they could have. Hm.

499
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,159
I just they just didn't.

500
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 5: I just don't think I could take that shot because

501
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,320
you don't even know if it's It could be a

502
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,599
human being, it could be a fairal human that's been

503
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,000
living on in the woods for thirty years and whatever.

504
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: For That's what I was trying to emphasize, was that

505
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,599
these guys would not take a shot if they could

506
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,639
not find see clearly what it was. I had no

507
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,920
no poems about being with them. I didn't no one

508
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,639
was going to get killed or shot because I knew,

509
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,480
I knew them, and I knew that they would not

510
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:18,920
take a shot. And they they even had a guy

511
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,440
come out of his tree stand wearing a gilly suit

512
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:27,039
and walk back to camp amongst those hunters. No one

513
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:33,320
made a mistake it. They're not going to shoot it

514
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,679
if they can't identify it. Absolutely, they not only want

515
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,639
to identify it, but they wanted a mail and then

516
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:46,280
only only a grown male, not a juvenile.

517
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna shoot. You see the weights of the rays right.

518
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 4: Right, it was almost never going to happen. Until this happened.

519
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 5: You'd have to be five hundred and fifty sure of

520
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:01,039
what's going to happen.

521
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 4: And yeah, if you don't want problems, right, you know

522
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:12,000
it's ah, that's why this is. Uh, the subject matter

523
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:18,320
is it's very very difficult. It tests it tests out

524
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:25,360
a person's views there there there there maral views there.

525
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:35,280
Their views of proper proper hunting, proper hunting techniques. Everybody

526
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,800
I knew growing up. They they they all were well schooled.

527
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,679
And you don't shoot at what you can identify. You

528
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,960
don't shoot it. You don't pull the trigger because once

529
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,920
you let a bullet out, you can't get it back. Occasionally,

530
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840
it does happen a lot of times. It's real young people.

531
00:38:55,039 --> 00:39:00,199
You know, let twelve year old or something have a gun. Uh.

532
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,599
But they you know, there wasn't a lot that they

533
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,920
were happy with it. No, they weren't happy at all.

534
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,599
Speaker 5: Mhmm. In Tennessee, Kentucky, Bigfoot asks, he goes, I here,

535
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,119
Washington is the only state that has a that protects them.

536
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,880
Anyone know that for sure?

537
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: I think I think he's probably correct. There the only

538
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:31,639
statewide protection. There are counties that protect him, and then

539
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:38,480
there are states that give you permission. There's Texas gives

540
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:44,920
you permission. But Texas is aware that what they're looking

541
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:51,199
for is more like what what I saw. And if

542
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,079
you go up to Washington, you're it's more like Patty

543
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,920
and it's it's it's it's apples and oranges. Really not

544
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:05,800
same not same thing. Now there may be there may

545
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,199
be some of both in an area. You know, that's

546
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,280
one of these these this training that you get when

547
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,519
you first start out hunting from the older hunters. It's

548
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,400
vital you throw that that rifle up and put that barrel.

549
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,320
You're looking down the barrel, you see something even vaguely

550
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,159
resembles a human, don't pull the trigger. You don't take

551
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:33,760
that chance.

552
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:39,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't mean myself. I couldn't do it. I

553
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:45,599
mean I just couldn't do it. But again, these guys

554
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,800
weren't trophy hunting. They were they were doing it in

555
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,599
the name of science. They had their own way of

556
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,679
doing things. And somebody been in a big mistake.

557
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 4: And uh, yeah, yeah, I want I wonder what he

558
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,320
thinks about it after all these years.

559
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 5: Yep. But again, we're not bringing up anybody's names, guys,

560
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:14,000
We're just just telling getting MK's point of view on

561
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,639
the end of the story because he was there and

562
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,800
because he was on the show the other night, so

563
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,840
it was important that we got his story out there.

564
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,840
So we got any more questions, We're gonna move on

565
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:37,360
to MK being Patty's Patty's defense attorney. Okay, before we

566
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,559
get into that, can you just tell everybody how long

567
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,360
you've studied the film and probably how many times you've

568
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,719
viewed the parison give one film.

569
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,039
Speaker 4: Wow, I hate to guess on how many. I started

570
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:58,119
at about ninety six or seven. You know, you remember

571
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:02,000
the Internet back then it was kind of iffy all

572
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:09,039
with phone modems. You know, if somebody calls while you're

573
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:15,400
on the Internet and knocks you off. It started back

574
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:24,320
then when it had the capability of leaking onto the

575
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:32,199
net higher quality images from the Patterson film. And that's

576
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,519
what happened. It was all due to an argument and

577
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,119
these two people were arguing about one of them says,

578
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,840
I see a baby on her on her back, and

579
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,519
he says, there's no baby on her back. Because I've

580
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,880
been working with the film original film that was in

581
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,920
the camera and I could see plainly that, And he

582
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,679
went on to describe how how high the resolution was

583
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:02,199
that you could see detail on the on the subject

584
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,800
as small as a grape or a marble with basic identification,

585
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:18,840
without any enhancement. That told me right then that it

586
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,159
was worth going and trying to find some of these

587
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:25,360
these frames.

588
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 5: And how many years did it take you before you

589
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,960
you finally got d framed that you were you, You've shared,

590
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,599
you just recently shared with anybody who wanted it. You

591
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,760
put it out there for anybody who wanted that frame.

592
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,440
How long did how many years did it take to

593
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,119
before you got ahold of that one?

594
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 4: Well, it's a it took a number of years and

595
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:54,320
and and thousands of miles. People helped me. I mean

596
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,599
I could never have done that, acquired all those frames

597
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:02,920
without help, because they saw in me a person who

598
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,559
might be able to do something about the film, you know,

599
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,880
if I was able to get those and work with them,

600
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,960
and I saw them as opportunities to let the film

601
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:18,000
tell its own story, whether it was a fake or

602
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:22,000
whether it was not a fake. And it certainly it

603
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:22,880
has done that.

604
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 5: So I asked you to come up with some like

605
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:33,679
five rs. I don't know how many came up with,

606
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,079
but five or more things over the years that you

607
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:43,000
have found from the film that just shows that the

608
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,960
the P and D film is not fake. It's not hoax.

609
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,679
It's a real sasquatch that we're looking at. And you

610
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,559
sent over some some clips that you've you've cut out,

611
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,000
and you you've you've examined, and well let's start there.

612
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,639
So which one are you gonna show first? Which one

613
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,559
would you like? Would you like let's start with Let's

614
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:09,800
start with the hairy back. Let's let's start there. Let

615
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,400
me just right, let me get it all set up

616
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:24,639
here first. Everybody that there, okay, scream. They made this.

617
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,440
I haven't been on here in a little while. They

618
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:28,840
made this kind of easy to get to. Now I'm

619
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:33,199
I'm loving that. All right, here we go.

620
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 4: That's a gentleman with about the approximate hair coverage of

621
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:45,760
Patty uh thereabouts close and you can see that the

622
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,719
way the hair curves into the spine because the spine

623
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,079
lacks the musculature of the shoulders, so it's resissed. It

624
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,519
curves over into it make so kind of a stripe.

625
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:08,440
And that they were saying that was a zipper. Now

626
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:12,440
you see it on there. Now this is from far away.

627
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,280
It shows prominently.

628
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: You can see the same thing right there. You can

629
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,920
see how it goes right down the middle of the back.

630
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 4: Let's look at all of those because each one has

631
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,920
a little different tweak on it. It gives it a

632
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,280
little different uh more stable or more or brighter or

633
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,920
you look, there's a comparison. See it. Now watch that

634
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:45,079
one right there, it's kind of go slow.

635
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,039
Speaker 5: Mm hm.

636
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 4: You know that that's just simply a bare back. It's

637
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,800
it's that's not that's not the sign of a suit.

638
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,280
She's got a light, a light I call it. She

639
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,000
kind of haired over but not not not all encompassing.

640
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 5: So now you can see this again on to hear

641
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:27,760
you back and now you can see her again.

642
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:39,039
Speaker 4: You know she she's just is what she is. H

643
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:45,440
this Uh, this came from uh John Green's version of

644
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:52,559
the film. He had several copies and uh Renee de

645
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:57,360
Hendon had several copies. And this was shown at a

646
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:04,960
museum in British Columbia and recorded on video camera from

647
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:11,519
off the off the screen. When you play the thing,

648
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:16,320
you know, complete film, you hear the real on the

649
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,760
projector you know, uh, it's I know the guy who

650
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:27,440
did it, very very competent person, probably one of the

651
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:33,599
more uh they say, effective people when it comes to

652
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:34,239
this film.

653
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 5: He he was.

654
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 4: He got me a lot of the frames. Yeah, his

655
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:55,480
name is Christopher Murphy, Canadian. He got he probably caught

656
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,119
a lot of flat for anything. You know, people are

657
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:03,719
uh nowadays, they have their own pet ideas. You see

658
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,440
the breast on the left side swinging, see you kicking

659
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:15,239
up and down her left side? All right? Mm hm,

660
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:25,880
you know there was can you put the thumb? There

661
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,719
should be one called a thumb. Thumb movement.

662
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 5: Okay, let's take her off for a second.

663
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: There it is.

664
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:53,559
Speaker 5: When I lost that. Okay, mm hmm.

665
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: There you go. Now if you watch that, you see

666
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,480
that that thumb move in and out. I stabilized it

667
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:13,280
on the on the arm itself. See that thumb moving

668
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,039
in and out, the actual thumb. If you just let

669
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:21,599
it go real real, uh, the natural movement, it would

670
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:29,039
be going round and round rather than because I stabilize

671
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,079
the arm, it makes it look like it's going in

672
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:37,679
and out, you know. But it's the point is that

673
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,599
you see them. You see the motion in the thumb,

674
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:46,880
so it tells you that it's that's an opposable thumb. Mhm.

675
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:52,280
People argued about that for ages. You could, I mean

676
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,480
now almost fight over it. The people who wanted her

677
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:59,840
to be a gorilla, No way they would accept a

678
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:07,599
posable thumb. But she has an opposable thumb. It shows

679
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:14,960
on the film. So that means that you know, she's

680
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,559
more than likely a person. Uh Now, I don't mean

681
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:27,800
that she's a Homo sapien, but there's been several homo

682
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:32,400
types that they've managed to pull their bones out of

683
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,400
caves and stuff, and they knew they were looking at

684
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,880
homo's something.

685
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 5: Now, now you sat down with the hoopahs, right, correct,

686
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,360
and you've got to talk to them. What what were

687
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,440
what were their thoughts on Patty? What? What?

688
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:45,679
Speaker 4: What?

689
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 5: What?

690
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 4: What?

691
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 5: Patty?

692
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:47,079
Speaker 3: Was?

693
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 4: They they were they were more inclined to think that

694
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:58,400
she was like a hybrid offspring of a union of

695
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:04,519
a bigfoot and you human being. And the reason why

696
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,039
is because in that area there were in eighteen forties

697
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:17,239
when they struck gold, there were ten thousand Chinese in

698
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,239
the Bluff Creek area and they were doing hydraulic mining,

699
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,599
you know, with a pump and the water washing out

700
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:29,599
the banks and stuff, and they had their families in

701
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:37,719
there with them. And the problem with exposing a woman

702
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,079
to a Sasquatch is obvious. They tend to want to

703
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:49,480
take them. And this is they take everything. The Hoopoes

704
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:53,519
told me, they take anything. They take your stuff, They

705
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:57,159
go down there, take the fish out of your nets. Stuff.

706
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,119
They wouldn't make anything, but they'd steal your stuff. And

707
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,480
stealing a person to them was not no big deal.

708
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,039
But when it results in, you know, maybe in one

709
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:19,159
out of fifty tries, as in a pregnancy, then you

710
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,639
have the offspring is going to be kind of different looking.

711
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,280
If you look at Paddy, you know she's that's one

712
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,480
of the reason why she's not that hairy. Here's a

713
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:33,480
hairs patchy. She's got a foot that's shaped like a

714
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:39,840
human foot. You look at the big foots that are

715
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,519
not in the Bluff Creek area, they tend to have

716
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:48,440
the ro shaped foot and with displayed toes. But you

717
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:50,880
go to Bluff Creek and the toes all come together

718
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,119
and the foot looks basically like our foot, our feet.

719
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,800
So that's what they're referring to is that there's a

720
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,320
history there as a matter of fact. They they said

721
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:12,159
that the Sasquatch went to the highland height what you

722
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:18,039
call it, the high mountains, high mountains h whenever white

723
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:23,880
people came in there, or Europeans with guns, and they

724
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,119
told the Hoopahs that they would come back down and

725
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:31,880
steal their women all over again if they told the

726
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,639
white people where they were. And they just don't want

727
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,000
to up and tell any to this day, they don't

728
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,440
want to tell people where they are at in those

729
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:43,079
high peaks.

730
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 5: What did the Hoopah think the Sasquatch are? What do

731
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,280
they think they are? I mean, do they think pay

732
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,280
is a hybrid? What are the Sasquats themselves? What are

733
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,400
they say? The hoopo.

734
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 4: They call them the people. That's that's how they call

735
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,079
that's the people.

736
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,199
Speaker 5: It's very interesting because you hear a lot of stories

737
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,119
about them gathering and taking and and when they leave gifts,

738
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,280
it's like they leave gifts that are from like forty

739
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,079
years ago. It's like they take stuff and I'm just

740
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:20,119
putting this together now that you told me because they

741
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,440
didn't know that they take stuff and then when they

742
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,119
leave it it's forty years old and they're leaving it

743
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:30,199
at people's houses and wherever habituation areas. That's very very

744
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,039
I never even heard that before, and it's very interesting

745
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,119
putting those two together. I mean, I always thought they

746
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:37,440
were gatherers myself.

747
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: And you remember the the layer. You know that. I've

748
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,280
highlight you one time in a video.

749
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did a bit, we did, We actually did.

750
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:50,679
You were on the show with Dom and Roe. We

751
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,480
did a show about the lair well.

752
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,559
Speaker 4: Me and Don and my son Brian attempted to go

753
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,440
back up there in two thousand and nine and we

754
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:03,000
couldn't make it because of the heavy treefall from a

755
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:09,400
previous snow that that previous winter. And we found on

756
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:12,039
the way up there the trail up there that wasn't

757
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:17,880
there the previous time. It was a It was a drawer,

758
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:26,679
an old porcelain drawer from a really old refrigerator, and

759
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,039
it had in it a coffee cup that was perfectly

760
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:35,960
cleaved into and it was on that trail and it

761
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:40,679
was upright, but it held no water, and so it

762
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,039
hadn't been there long. Don took a picture of it.

763
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:48,440
I didn't, and I wish to this day I had,

764
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,239
because you mentioned that this was this was an old refrigerator.

765
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,800
This drawer came from something way back. These guys had

766
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,440
done stole that or up and from somebody long ago.

767
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, No, I find that really really interesting. I

768
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,320
mean I never I didn't hear the hoops and thoughts

769
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:10,599
on it.

770
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,079
Speaker 4: But well they don't. They don't think they're stealing is wrong.

771
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,760
I mean obviously, Uh, they probably wondered why why people

772
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,400
get upset?

773
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

774
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,639
Speaker 4: But but the hoopas said they'll take your stuff. You can't,

775
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,880
you can't, you can't deal with them. They used to

776
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,639
try to trade with them and stuff. They said they

777
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,719
couldn't do it because they just they were dishonest, is

778
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,440
what they called them. Uh. Well, to the hoops, they

779
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,719
were dishonest. But from the viewpoint of the Sasquatch, that's

780
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:50,000
how they did everything. Just you know it just you

781
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,400
if you found it there, you just take it.

782
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,679
Speaker 5: Hm. So, so your search for the ultimate footage of

783
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,199
the Paris and Gimlin film led you to a lot

784
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,639
of places. You went to a lot of different places,

785
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,079
but you you you went to right to this, to this,

786
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,840
to the source as close as you could get to

787
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,000
try and get a piece, and you actually visited missus

788
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:19,400
missus Patterson at her home. Correct, I did, I know

789
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:21,360
you want to I know you want to reflect a

790
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,199
little bit on that tonight, So why don't we go

791
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,760
there for a little bit and talk about that?

792
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:31,039
Speaker 4: And uh, it's a She invited me and gave me

793
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:36,039
her address, and man Don drove over there in Yakimo

794
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:42,719
and she was a delightful person and she was glad

795
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,480
to meet me. I was glad to meet her. And

796
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,320
she talked a lot about Roger, She talked a lot

797
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:55,840
about the film, She talked a lot about you know about.

798
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,440
We were pretty close to leaving and she got a

799
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:11,039
phone call and the phone call was not not a

800
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,079
not a good experience for her. This person was really

801
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:20,760
letting her have it, fussing at her, and she got

802
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,760
just madder and madder, and finally she slammed the phone

803
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,880
down and she turned around and she says, MK, what

804
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,239
would happen if somebody shot one of these things? And

805
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:40,920
I said probably nothing. She says, even if they shot

806
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:49,719
it in the back. That seems like she was trying

807
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,119
to drop a line for me. But I saw it differently.

808
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,199
I saw a person who needed their husb. But and

809
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,119
she was having to deal with this person on the

810
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:12,519
phone and uh, and she'd had no one, she had

811
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:17,800
not remarried, and she she was responsible for the film,

812
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:23,199
for the for the business part of it. Her her

813
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:28,559
husband remained in limbo, even though they buried him when

814
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:33,679
he died. He was like in a Bigfoot purgatory. No

815
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,159
one would let him go. And they instantly started this

816
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,239
stuff about, well, Roger did this, Roger did that, Roger

817
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,639
didn't pay his bills, Roger didn't do this, and it

818
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,559
was just Roger, Roger, Roger Roger.

819
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:48,119
Speaker 2: He was the.

820
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 4: Vilified to the bitter end. And he, Roger couldn't say

821
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,000
a word in his own defense, and it was left

822
01:00:55,079 --> 01:01:00,639
all up to her. And you see how she was treated. Uh.

823
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:04,519
The person on the phone, I hate to say it

824
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:09,679
was Bob Gimblet, but I'm from the Deep South, and

825
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,480
you know I saw the way that she was treated

826
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,960
and I didn't like it. And I met with Bob

827
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:24,400
that afternoon, and I could tell you a whole other

828
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,239
show on that meeting, but it you know, you just

829
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,880
don't treat widows and orphans like that. In my estimation,

830
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:42,400
they supposed to give them, if you're a Christian, you're

831
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:49,400
supposed to give them special consideration. So you know that

832
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:54,159
that's why I think I think I know why all

833
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:58,639
this is occurring with the film now claiming as a hoax,

834
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:04,800
because I think they rather had be a hoax and

835
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,360
let it go and and and and and let Roger

836
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,320
go to rest in peace, rather than to try to

837
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:22,960
keep it alive and keep Roger constantly being vilified. You know,

838
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:29,239
it's it's just easier. When Clint took over the finances,

839
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:34,079
he immediately doubled the price of the film and couldn't

840
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,440
He'd got no more licensing because it was way overpriced,

841
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:49,360
and he didn't seem to care. You know, Uh, let

842
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,039
let somebody come in there and claim it's a hoax.

843
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,840
You know, that might be the solution to his problem

844
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:03,000
you had. Maybe his dad can go rest in peace.

845
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:09,239
But that's just my thinking on it. That's what I saw.

846
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:16,320
I saw a woman in need, and I suppose she's

847
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,480
still in need given what's what all is going on

848
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,960
with the hoaxing business. You can't let the film go.

849
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,920
You have to separate it from Roger. Let Roger go.

850
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:33,599
The film stays, it stays on its own merit, and uh,

851
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,639
Roger needs to go and and and go into the

852
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:47,840
the halls of the the Bigfoot researchers before him rest

853
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,320
in peace.

854
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all know how the big folk world is,

855
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,840
and we know it's it's it's it's a very complicated

856
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,119
space to be in. Can you imagine having the best

857
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:02,480
piece of evidence ever filmed on your lap and have

858
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:07,320
to deal with everybody in the big Foot world day

859
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:11,079
after day after day after day after day, and year

860
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:14,400
after year and after year and year and year and year.

861
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,440
Can you just imagine the burden? I mean just I

862
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,079
never thought about this until you told me about this

863
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:23,559
today and I did a little thinking about myself. The

864
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:25,199
burden has just got to be.

865
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 4: It remains, it remains a burden for the family, right,

866
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,719
you know, even you know it's it's I feel pretty

867
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,480
sure that they're they're thinking was just let them, let

868
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,639
them claim it's a hoax and let it, let it

869
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:46,840
all go. You know, it's a it will get you know,

870
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,079
some kind of measure of relief.

871
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,199
Speaker 5: Well, why not just put it somewhere? Why not just

872
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,519
give it to a museum. Here it is, This is

873
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:04,559
where it lays for the rest of its days. You

874
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:07,719
can go and see it there and walk away. Wouldn't

875
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,360
that you could you know you could do it that

876
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,320
way also, you know? Or or would that would do

877
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,000
you think that would still continue to be?

878
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 4: I don't know. She she was used to taking care

879
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,800
of everything, but then she got kind of down in

880
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,639
her back and arthritis in her hands, and she gave

881
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:34,599
up the business in to Clint. And Clint, like I said,

882
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:40,239
he doubles the price. Uh. These Japanese filmmakers wanted to

883
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,400
use it, but they couldn't pay that amount of money.

884
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 5: And what I did was to.

885
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:52,079
Speaker 4: To get her, get them in touch with her, and

886
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:58,039
she she cut the price in half. She got Christmas

887
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:04,119
money because zero still zero. If you if you're overpriced it,

888
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:09,920
you don't make a sale. You've made zero. She was.

889
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:13,239
She was more savvy than Clint was. As far as Clint,

890
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,960
I don't think Clint cared. I think he would just

891
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,199
want to get it out of his hair. It's it's

892
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,880
it's a pain, been living with it.

893
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,079
Speaker 5: Do you think if there weren't copies of it, do

894
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:28,320
you think it would have been buried a long time ago?

895
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,239
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe the original but an a vault. That's probably

896
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,519
where it would still be if no one had made

897
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:42,199
anything of it. You know, well, like like my story

898
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:47,360
about the uh about the shooting that night. I didn't

899
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:52,760
make anything of it, you know. So, yeah, you surprised

900
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,400
a lot of people when they found out about it,

901
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,079
but I we didn't. We didn't. No bigfoot was gained,

902
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:07,480
you know. Uh. I just went on to other things.

903
01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:11,840
But sometimes it's easier that way.

904
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 5: What do you think they're about to show? Everybody? What

905
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:21,159
do you think that this new piece of whatever they're

906
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:22,519
going to show? What do you? What do you think

907
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:22,840
it is?

908
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 6: You?

909
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 5: What do you what are your thoughts?

910
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:29,519
Speaker 4: Uh? Well, basically what I know is on the film

911
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,760
that it it it's it stands a zero percent chance

912
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,559
of proving this film to be a hoax or a

913
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:40,400
man in a suit.

914
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 5: Uh.

915
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 4: They can't connect to two films, you can. You can

916
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,280
say anything with film you shot you don't know when

917
01:07:54,360 --> 01:08:01,679
it's when they shot it or anything. Yeah, it's it's

918
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,000
just I can I can take the stuff that you've

919
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,679
shown tonight that the back. Uh? Will you show the

920
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:18,520
one that says bat muscles and glutes? H h.

921
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 5: Very scale? I don't have Uh? Oh yeah I do

922
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:31,800
here Okay, Well, I don't know why it keeps on

923
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,399
disappearing on me. Well, choked up over everything right now,

924
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,920
Oh that's not the one there it.

925
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: Goes yeah, yeah, I kind of blow it up a

926
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:58,680
little bit. There we go. Now look at the glutes

927
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:06,479
working again aninst each other. Glutes are the bocks. People

928
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,680
used to complain. They say, well, there's got to be

929
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,479
a suit and that's a pillow because we can't see

930
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:16,000
any cleavage. But it's not true.

931
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 5: I can see on ice green. I don't know if

932
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,359
you all can see that. There's individual muscles in the

933
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,840
right call it the right glute, into the left cheek

934
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,960
or the right cheek, whatever, but there's individual muscles moving

935
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,760
into the bottom of the right cheek and then in

936
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,880
the upper of the left cheek. You can see it here.

937
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,880
See that muscle that's moving, and then up here this

938
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,000
one's moving here. It's like when you when a woman

939
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:41,359
would walk or a male walks. You got that your whatever,

940
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,039
your shake or whatever you want to call it.

941
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:47,359
Speaker 4: On one leg you're you're lifting in the front of you,

942
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,039
the other one you're putting behind you. They use different muscles,

943
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:56,239
so they oscillate. There you go to the to the

944
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:04,520
shoulder area. Now back off just a little bit. See

945
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,399
that muscle moving under the skin there under the scapula,

946
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,760
the shoulder blade, right, yeah, see it?

947
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:13,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, that.

948
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:21,319
Speaker 4: That that destroys the suit theory. I don't know. These

949
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:26,119
people are coming out of ancient times, you know, they

950
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:30,479
must have they must think that it's nobody's got anything better.

951
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 5: It's just I mean, how many hours? I mean again,

952
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,600
I'm gonna ask this question. How many hours do you

953
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,840
think you've spent looking at this film? Just a guess,

954
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:46,800
just a rough guess.

955
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I don't really know how many because

956
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:55,279
every time that, you know, I've got an opportunity to

957
01:10:56,399 --> 01:11:00,760
use some other technique, you know, to I get that,

958
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:07,600
to get a stabilization that smooth. It's it's very labor intensive.

959
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,800
It's not done with a computer. It's it's done by hand.

960
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,800
You can see the sun shining on her hair. You

961
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:22,600
see it glisten, and there's no separation anywhere in this.

962
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,960
If this was a mask of any some sort, you

963
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:27,359
would be able to see a wrinkle or something. It's

964
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:32,600
a it's a solid piece of you know, whatever is moving. Yeah,

965
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:34,880
there's another one.

966
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,359
Speaker 5: I like you should now look at again. Look at

967
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:39,760
her her glue muscle here, it's it's look at it

968
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,600
we'll get a bullge out here. Look at what's right here? Yeah,

969
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:48,399
I mean, how can you It's just.

970
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 4: It's it's just it's just over for the hoax thing.

971
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,840
You know, they might as well not even show it.

972
01:11:57,279 --> 01:12:00,640
I hope they didn't. Nobody lose any money, all right?

973
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 5: Which one you want to go to next?

974
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 4: I'll go to the one that says just glutes because

975
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,119
it's another one where people were complaining about, you know,

976
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:13,920
there's no cleavage in the rear end. And and they're

977
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,560
doing this with the film available to them. You know

978
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:22,760
why get mad at me? Because I found it.

979
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 5: Like motion gluts, just glutes.

980
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:34,159
Speaker 4: It's just it's a steal picture.

981
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I don't see it.

982
01:12:37,319 --> 01:12:39,199
Speaker 4: You should just say glutes.

983
01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 6: Harry Back. I don't have anything that says just glutes.

984
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,319
No JPEGs, that's for sure.

985
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 4: Well, maybe can I show it on mine?

986
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sure can.

987
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 4: Let me trying that.

988
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,119
Speaker 5: Let me, Uh, what do you guys all think? Know

989
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:02,560
what m Case? You know what m Case thoughts about?

990
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,479
You know, why what they're doing the film? I mean,

991
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,199
I know this is the first time I've ever heard

992
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:11,319
anything like it, Like they want to just be done

993
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:13,359
with the film and and lay it to rest and

994
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,840
let Roger lay to rest and let everybody just breathe

995
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,720
for a while. What are you guys thoughts in that?

996
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,119
Put you know, put something in the comments or what

997
01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:23,119
you guys think of that?

998
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:25,399
Speaker 4: I think it's right quick now.

999
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:46,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, he sure is, Steve, he's he's spent. He's being

1000
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:51,840
very uh telling everybody how long he's worked on this

1001
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,680
film for it. But I can tell you it's it's

1002
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,720
it's a crazy amount of hours.

1003
01:13:57,359 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 4: It's been worth it, every bit of it.

1004
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 5: It's become a life's passion.

1005
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,399
Speaker 4: Well I don't know about that, but I can do

1006
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,119
other things.

1007
01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,520
Speaker 5: But well, I mean, come on.

1008
01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:19,399
Speaker 4: I don't want to. Let's see here I got these

1009
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:27,079
are initials. I just show them in yeh see that.

1010
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:29,439
This is taken in the early part of the filming

1011
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,239
when the camera man was down below the embankment looking

1012
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:34,840
up at her right.

1013
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 5: So there's arrows right at the top right hand corner there.

1014
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,520
If you take your thing and then hit nope, not

1015
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,079
on that screen, you're the black screen. Here. Go to

1016
01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:46,880
the upper right hand corner. There's two arrows on that.

1017
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,359
I don't see them right next to the exit. Should

1018
01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:54,640
be right in there, right here, no up top, there

1019
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,520
are at the bottom of yours. Now see those were

1020
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,359
blowing up even more up the top there, maximized.

1021
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you see he's looking straight up her in and

1022
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,239
you know what that tells me? That that tells me

1023
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:11,800
that wherever she's living, it's she's living in restricted space

1024
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,359
that she has to scoot on her very end. You

1025
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,840
see how that hair is gone from the inside of

1026
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:20,560
the cleavage.

1027
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 5: If you roll on the pitch, it will blow it

1028
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:23,399
up a little bit too.

1029
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 4: And when you're there, we go, it's right here this area. Yep,

1030
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:32,520
she's been scooting around on that. She's either living in

1031
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,239
an overhang or cave.

1032
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 5: Or or the layer or the layer or the place.

1033
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 4: So these are the three different frames. That's why I say,

1034
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,760
these people who make these things, what happens to the

1035
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,640
person who says it can't be real because it has

1036
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,479
no cleavage and it's not true, but people listen to it.

1037
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:04,720
He's done. Damn, it's unjustly to this film. He should

1038
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,039
have never if he can't see this, he has he

1039
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:12,359
don't need to look at the rest of it, or

1040
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:19,159
I say he he or she? Yeah, I don't know.

1041
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:20,960
If I let me get it back there we go.

1042
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,359
That's of course, there's other other shots that show it.

1043
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,239
This is an animation. I don't know what that is.

1044
01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:41,640
My say, I just made one with identification. Uh, let's see, here's.

1045
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 5: A so after this. So, what are your plans for

1046
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,079
after the release? Once they release this? Where are your plans?

1047
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:50,560
I'm sure you're you're going to go and use what

1048
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,000
they got to prove them wrong.

1049
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: Right, well, I will do my best. I'm not going

1050
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,039
to put anything out there, but what's right off on

1051
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:03,359
that film? Take a look at this. There's a butte

1052
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,560
and a bat saw bear. You can see that it's bear.

1053
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:16,439
I mean, that's no suit.

1054
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:23,359
Speaker 5: Yep, there's just no way that. Like I said, and

1055
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,479
I'm sure everybody's heard this a million times, but the

1056
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,239
Planet of the Apes was going on when this was released,

1057
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,000
and there's no way that any of the costumes on

1058
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:33,359
the Planet of the Apes even comes close to what

1059
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:40,319
they what they're seeing. I just it would have cost

1060
01:17:40,399 --> 01:17:43,079
way too much money for a person that had no

1061
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:46,880
money to begin with to make that suit. Like they

1062
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:49,720
have a tough time making it for under you know,

1063
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,680
six grand now six grand back then would be you know,

1064
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,039
there's this huge amount of money, even if they had

1065
01:17:58,039 --> 01:17:59,319
the right materials to do it.

1066
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:10,079
Speaker 4: Again, that's miss Patterson. H If you've never seen her,

1067
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:14,840
that's her. And you see she loves the color purple,

1068
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,920
absolutely adoors that she makes. She was making beadwork, most

1069
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,479
of it was purple. I regret not buying any from her.

1070
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:30,119
Speaker 5: She left you and dine at the house by yourselves, right,

1071
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:32,399
and she went out to the store. That's how much

1072
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:33,439
she trusted you guys.

1073
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1074
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:34,039
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1075
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:38,199
Speaker 4: She left us with with five of those frames, those

1076
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:44,840
four by five frames at the Yakima Photo House. We're

1077
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:49,079
having them scanned. And she went on, gosh, I would

1078
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:52,840
have I would have fought one of those monsters at

1079
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:57,439
Monster Central, uh to rather than have anything happen to them.

1080
01:18:58,760 --> 01:18:59,079
Speaker 5: It. Uh.

1081
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 4: I really appreciated that. There I am. Yeah, there's some

1082
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:14,520
of her beadwork.

1083
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:25,239
Speaker 5: So you came across the really good frame by it

1084
01:19:25,359 --> 01:19:26,760
falling out right, I mean it.

1085
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 4: She went up in the closet and came down out

1086
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,720
with a shoe box and she put it on the

1087
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,760
table and she was picking an envelope out. You know

1088
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,520
how they got a little flap on the top of

1089
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:47,000
the envelope. It had caught in some pictures and when

1090
01:19:47,039 --> 01:19:49,640
she pulled it up, they tumbled out into the floor

1091
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,720
and it was five of those four by five print transparencies.

1092
01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:01,479
And she said, oh, those are Rogers negatives and I said, no, ma'am,

1093
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:07,399
they're not negatives. These are these are positive images. And

1094
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:13,840
I was stunned by their clarity, absolutely stunned. Let me

1095
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,920
see if I can find, uh, do.

1096
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 5: You still do you still have that posted for anybody

1097
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,399
to go and grab that frame that wants it?

1098
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,239
Speaker 4: What frame?

1099
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 5: The frame that you shared with everybody?

1100
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:37,239
Speaker 4: I still yeah, it's still there, still available, there's done.

1101
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,239
That's the one I took in her backyard, holding a

1102
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:59,399
type and paper behind it. Have you ever shared these

1103
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,119
pictures for I have shared this one right here, but

1104
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:12,119
I haven't shared the original. You know. Yeah, all kinds

1105
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:14,640
of people say all kinds of things. But I have

1106
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,119
been the ins and outs of this frame, of these films,

1107
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:22,319
this film and all its frames. I pretty much have

1108
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:28,079
a deep and abiding understanding of what I'm looking at.

1109
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 5: El Santrica wants to know who's the young man in

1110
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,520
that photo.

1111
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,159
Speaker 4: I almost don't recognize myself.

1112
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:42,399
Speaker 5: I think you look the same. I think i'd be

1113
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:43,600
able to pick your guys.

1114
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 4: Out back then where I worked, they would not allow

1115
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:52,039
you to have a beard, so they are I just

1116
01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:53,079
stay clean shaven.

1117
01:21:56,079 --> 01:21:59,279
Speaker 5: So if you guys got questions in capital letters, were

1118
01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:05,800
almost at the end of our our stay here. Uh

1119
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,319
do you have I want to play that one, the

1120
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,319
one thing where you you you take the face and

1121
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,159
you how you I forgot which one that was called here.

1122
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 4: We met with him that afternoon. I want people to

1123
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:36,960
understand that these people are just people. They're not they're

1124
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:41,079
not gods, that they're not anything other than they put

1125
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:44,960
their clothes on in the mornings, and the ordinary people

1126
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:53,159
who've had to live a very extraordinary life. And uh,

1127
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:58,119
and this lady right here needs some help. She needed

1128
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:01,720
some help right then. And her husband wasn't there, and

1129
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,479
I just felt so sorry for her. That was that

1130
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,520
was that was something for him to handle, and he

1131
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:11,359
wasn't there.

1132
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah.

1133
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 6: All right, let's see if we got any questions.

1134
01:23:24,119 --> 01:23:26,399
Speaker 4: Look all up here at the purple up in the

1135
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:27,279
window seal.

1136
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 5: Michael Morgan's is very interesting information tonight, Thank you, Michael.

1137
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:42,439
See all the purple hoops. I got to put it

1138
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,119
back up here off the stage. It was like a

1139
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:46,760
sweet lady.

1140
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 4: She's very nice, she was so sweet. She she wanted

1141
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:56,920
she wants to be ordinary, you know, uh in the

1142
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,479
worst kind of way. And and it was that fam

1143
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:12,760
forced her not to be let me get onto the

1144
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:13,359
share screen.

1145
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:18,279
Speaker 5: Here, Okay, there you go.

1146
01:24:19,079 --> 01:24:26,399
Speaker 4: See if I can do it? How do you back

1147
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:26,840
out of it?

1148
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,560
Speaker 5: No, you're out.

1149
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 6: I took your heart off. So see if we got

1150
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,920
any questions. Well, I want to say thank you again.

1151
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,239
Speaker 5: If there's anybody else on this planet that is as

1152
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,079
you know, spent as many hours, as many days, I

1153
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:53,880
mean probably months looking at this. Yeah, I'd like, you know,

1154
01:24:56,399 --> 01:25:01,279
it's unreal. I mean, Don's told me many stories. How

1155
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:03,600
you know, you would hours and you get out of

1156
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,000
work and you would just be ten hours of looking

1157
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:09,199
at the film and then sleeping for a couple hours

1158
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,039
and getting up and going back to work, and then

1159
01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:13,239
getting out of work again and back right back at

1160
01:25:13,279 --> 01:25:13,720
the film.

1161
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 4: And the first enlargement I did was the life Sized

1162
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:25,520
Patty and it was composed of eighty three panels that

1163
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:32,119
were assembled together and glued onto a plywood board. And

1164
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:39,119
it was spectacular. They said it couldn't be done. How

1165
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:42,039
many people told me that? No telling, how many people,

1166
01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:45,520
and after that they didn't say that anymore.

1167
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:51,279
Speaker 5: We couldn't. I just wanted to share one more file everybody,

1168
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:57,399
so you can check this outre we go. This is

1169
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,359
the big picture that brought up some controversy, you little

1170
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:04,760
body a year ago. I just want to show you

1171
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:05,600
what MK did.

1172
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: This.

1173
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:07,359
Speaker 5: This is MK's work.

1174
01:26:08,279 --> 01:26:14,079
Speaker 4: Well it's it's also Todd Gatewood's work. Also. Uh the

1175
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,279
those that's the picture I sent to Todd and that's

1176
01:26:18,359 --> 01:26:22,159
what he sent back. And by fading them in and

1177
01:26:22,279 --> 01:26:25,399
out of each other, you can follow all the details

1178
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,039
and you can see them on both both images that

1179
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:33,640
he didn't create anything with AI. As a matter of fact,

1180
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,079
if you blow it on up, blow it on up

1181
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:40,479
to that cheek right there, just stop right there, you'll

1182
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:44,239
see right there, you see right along. I can't my

1183
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,119
my my cursor is not showing.

1184
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 5: I don't think where do you want me to go.

1185
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,079
Speaker 4: Over to the left just a little bit right there,

1186
01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:54,640
go straight up to the right just a little bit.

1187
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:56,840
There's your there's your braid.

1188
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,520
Speaker 5: See the chevron, Yeah you can see, yeah, look at

1189
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:01,279
it now.

1190
01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 4: Todd did not know about the break, but it came

1191
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:08,960
up in there when he when he look at that. Yeah,

1192
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,560
it's it's kind of trapped under the hair at that time.

1193
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,439
It's uh, the wind, the wind let go of it,

1194
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:18,439
and it came back down.

1195
01:27:20,399 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 5: Look at you can see where it's gone from here

1196
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,600
and then it goes to here and down.

1197
01:27:25,119 --> 01:27:25,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1198
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 5: Oh that's pretty cool. I've never seen that before. Look

1199
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,199
at it. Then you can see look at it's tied

1200
01:27:31,279 --> 01:27:32,680
right here, and then you can see the rest of it.

1201
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,359
That's not the hair on her cheek, that's.

1202
01:27:34,399 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 4: From the No, that's that's it's it's tied.

1203
01:27:37,319 --> 01:27:40,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can see that. Yeah, that's pretty wild.

1204
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 4: And I'm grateful to Todd. Uh. You know, we've had

1205
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:52,319
some differences, but they haven't been over his work. You know.

1206
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:57,560
He he does great work. And that's this is so

1207
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:01,680
valuable and helping people want to understand what see what

1208
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:10,039
those people saw, See what the two two guys saw. Wow,

1209
01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:13,359
that's that's just absolutely amazing.

1210
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 5: I wanted to show that because that's that's wow.

1211
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,159
Speaker 4: I still I still have a lump come up in

1212
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:26,720
my throat.

1213
01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. It's pretty amazing. You know. Someone says she's

1214
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,479
got to stay in follow He says, she's got to

1215
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:35,439
sparkle in her eye.

1216
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:39,399
Speaker 4: Seems to some people say that's a person, they can

1217
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:44,840
see a person. Uh, you know, that's kind of going

1218
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,079
a little too far because in order for that person

1219
01:28:47,159 --> 01:28:50,439
to fit on in a gleam, he had to be

1220
01:28:51,079 --> 01:28:52,319
standing beside her.

1221
01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1222
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 4: Uh, and there was nobody standing beside her, so you

1223
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:59,159
know it.

1224
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,399
Speaker 5: So do you have any you have any final thoughts

1225
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,000
for everybody? Mk? You gotta, you gotta final thoughts for

1226
01:29:08,079 --> 01:29:10,560
everybody before we we check out here for the night.

1227
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 4: No, there's more you know about that that could be

1228
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,520
brought out. But I thank you for giving me this opportunity.

1229
01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:23,640
And you got to take care of an old matter

1230
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:27,800
and and kind of look at some of those cut

1231
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:34,039
right cutting cutting edge not cut right cutting edge stuff

1232
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:37,119
with a Patterson van and you hope people can know

1233
01:29:37,239 --> 01:29:46,439
and appreciate and understand that those guys are hucksters. But

1234
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:51,800
they're people, you know, people. They people do all kinds

1235
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:52,239
of things.

1236
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 5: Well, we've all waited for a while now, and nothing's

1237
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,439
coming out. I haven't heard anything of anything coming out

1238
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,000
anytime soon or nothing or anything like that.

1239
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:06,239
Speaker 4: So bring it out if they want to. But if

1240
01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:09,680
they it would it would also I would feel plenty Okay,

1241
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:10,520
if they did.

1242
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 6: Right.

1243
01:30:16,279 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 5: All right, everybody, that's all we got for tonight's show.

1244
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:26,159
I'm gonna let m K go and get on with

1245
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:28,439
his night first, and then I'll come back and say

1246
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,800
good night to everybody here. Again, thank you, my friend.

1247
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,479
I appreciate it. Again, This Frankie Brown is in the

1248
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,319
audience down and again we brought you up at the beginning,

1249
01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:42,239
Frankie about the story and the reason why this show

1250
01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:46,439
happened tonight was because of you. And MK came and

1251
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,920
told his part of the story, and and then we

1252
01:30:50,039 --> 01:30:52,399
got into a little patty and we'll definitely have him

1253
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:56,720
back again because he just barely scratched the surface tonight.

1254
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:58,800
I don't know what I'm going to start back on,

1255
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,439
but anyways, I'll let him Hey go first. All right,

1256
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,399
So thank you, my friend. If you want to hang

1257
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,520
out backstage, if you want for a little bit, if not,

1258
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,640
I'll talk to you soon, all right, ladies and gentlemen,

1259
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:24,399
Mister m K Davis, all right, all right, all right, well,

1260
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,199
thank you guys again. You all know I'm on a

1261
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:30,760
little hiatus, but it was important. I called him MKA

1262
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,800
and told him about There was another guy on the

1263
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,399
podcast talked about the shooting and brought up his name,

1264
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,239
so we thought it was important for him to come

1265
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:41,319
on tonight and talk about that, and then we talked

1266
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:44,199
a little bit about the Patty stuff that's going on.

1267
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,119
Of course, we're always thankful to have someone with his

1268
01:31:48,279 --> 01:31:52,439
expertise on the show. Again, I don't have any shows

1269
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:56,239
planned coming up anytime soon. Just keep an eye open.

1270
01:31:56,359 --> 01:31:58,560
I just want to let you guys know I my

1271
01:31:59,039 --> 01:32:03,159
channel on YouTube is being shut down by YouTube. I've

1272
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:05,640
been demonetized and now I have another letter that they

1273
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,359
are taking my channel off the air. So I'm not

1274
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,119
sure what's going on yet. I'm gonna come back on

1275
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:14,840
YouTube with a different name. I'll always be real American

1276
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:20,000
Monsters here on the Untold Radio Until Radio Network for

1277
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:23,760
the podcast. I think I'm gonna be going as the

1278
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,319
name of Shadow Drifter will be the name of the

1279
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:28,680
new channel. I'm not sure where we're gonna go yet.

1280
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:33,079
I'm leaning towards Patreon just to have a membership, just

1281
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:36,520
to keep it real and not be Shadow band again.

1282
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:38,760
That's why I'm going with the name Shadow Drifter because

1283
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,199
I've been shadow banned on YouTube ever since I started.

1284
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:44,960
I have videos that are sixteen or twelve years old

1285
01:32:45,039 --> 01:32:47,800
and got four hundred views. I mean, paint drying videos

1286
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,600
have more than over twelve years. So I've been put

1287
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,920
at the bottom for a long time and I don't know.

1288
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,119
I think that's where we're leaning, but well, I don't know.

1289
01:32:56,199 --> 01:32:58,359
We'll see what happens. I'll let you guys all know.

1290
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,199
So again, I don't have anything coming up soon, but

1291
01:33:02,399 --> 01:33:04,279
thank you guys all for showing up. You know, I

1292
01:33:04,399 --> 01:33:08,479
love teaching every one of you. And as my friend

1293
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,640
Larry says, get in the woods, people.

1294
01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 2: Out of my house, out of the best to sleep bed.

1295
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:46,840
Could be dead. Is this something I have done to

1296
01:33:47,039 --> 01:33:48,880
think that was gone?

1297
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:01,119
Speaker 3: Come?

1298
01:34:04,399 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 4: I cannot be mass.

1299
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: So far.

1300
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:17,359
Speaker 2: Once in a wild.

1301
01:34:19,319 --> 01:34:21,239
Speaker 1: I get tired of talking.

1302
01:34:22,319 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 3: I'm good on a smile.

1303
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: Let my alter e go.

1304
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:42,560
Speaker 2: Wherever go the stays were shown.

1305
01:34:54,039 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: I can a sweet myself want so