Speaker 1: Oh Bread of des A.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan. I'm jogging today
Speaker 2: we have your boy for the very first time. Tim
Speaker 2: Constantine from the sixth Censory podcast What it Do, Homie?
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, happy to be here, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's been a long time coming. I
Speaker 2: feel like you've been around for a little while, right,
Speaker 2: m hmm, Yeah, dude, I because I remember watching your
Speaker 2: videos like for quite a while. Now. I knew that
Speaker 2: you weren't like somebody who was just popping on the
Speaker 2: scene or anything like that. But I've I've seen some
Speaker 2: of your some of your clips on social media and everything,
Speaker 2: and you like to get in there. So that's what
Speaker 2: we're gonna do today.
Speaker 4: Baby, did a little research into you. Bro. You just
Speaker 4: recently had our homeboy Josh Monday on the show. Not
Speaker 4: too long ago, you had our homeboy Justin from Prometheus
Speaker 4: Lenz on your show. So I just just looking at
Speaker 4: those two alone, it's like, well, any homeboy of theirs
Speaker 4: is a homeboy of ours. So yeah, this is gonna
Speaker 4: be fun. I curry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been wanting to do something with
Speaker 3: you guys. I'm aware of your show, and you know,
Speaker 3: I knew about you guys before Josh Monday too, and
Speaker 3: I'm aware of his like Sunday service with you guys.
Speaker 3: But I've also caught other episodes of yours. So long
Speaker 3: time I'm coming, I suppose, and I'm happy to be here,
Speaker 3: happy to do it. Man. Those guys are great guys too,
Speaker 3: by the way, I shout out too and Prometheus, yeah.
Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, I are. We We bought his book, Justin's
Speaker 2: Justin's Book on the Nephelum giants and the giant skulls
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I mean, just amazing. It always
Speaker 2: amazes me that anybody can sit down long enough over
Speaker 2: such a you know, however amount of time to be
Speaker 2: able to like put towards a book like that like
Speaker 2: that takes serious like devotion and dedication, you know, like
Speaker 2: and he's done his research. I mean, he knows what
Speaker 2: he's talking about. He has receipts, I mean the oldest
Speaker 2: receipts that you can possibly find, which are probably the Bible.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, yeah, good people, good people.
Speaker 4: But said Tim, what is your background now as we
Speaker 4: get into this in the name of your show sixth
Speaker 4: censory and all these things, and not to just jump
Speaker 4: the gun here, but what is your religious background? Where
Speaker 4: do you? Where were you? You know, how are you
Speaker 4: brought up? Where are you at now with it all
Speaker 4: just curious?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was brought up Christian and got away
Speaker 3: from it for a while, but I have since returned
Speaker 3: and started reading the Bible all the way through, which
Speaker 3: I haven't gotten there yet, but I started reading the Bible.
Speaker 3: My mark is to get all the way through it soon.
Speaker 3: I started that about a year ago, and like time
Speaker 3: after time, I've come across passages where I'll stop, I'll
Speaker 3: find something that's interesting. I'll stop, I'll look into it
Speaker 3: and like, for instance, like was it the Book of
Speaker 3: Esther They were talking about the city in there in
Speaker 3: like the first chapter and it's called Susa, I believe,
Speaker 3: And I went and looked it up and it's still there.
Speaker 3: The place is real. And like time after time, you
Speaker 3: see that with scripture, and I'm like, wow, this book
Speaker 3: is like the Bible is not what people think it is.
Speaker 3: You've got to read it to figure out like it's
Speaker 3: been it's been turned into this weird thing in America.
Speaker 3: It's not this like guy in a suit, fat guy
Speaker 3: in a suit, sweat and screaming behind a pulpit. It's
Speaker 3: it's none of that. It wasn't meant to be taken
Speaker 3: to that, to that level. This is about people who
Speaker 3: lived in the Middle East, essentially, and this the the
Speaker 3: whole journey that this group of people had. It's meant
Speaker 3: as a microcosm for everybody, sure, but this was not,
Speaker 3: you know, meant to like, this was not meant for
Speaker 3: white Republicans. I don't know how it turned into that.
Speaker 3: But and if you if you get in there and
Speaker 3: read it and like, look, I'm not shaming white Republicans.
Speaker 3: I'm not affiliate with any party here. But I'm just
Speaker 3: saying it's turned into that in many regions in this country,
Speaker 3: and I'm saying it wasn't intended for that. It's not
Speaker 3: even about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they've absolutely turned it into idolatry and also
Speaker 2: using it for for to grab voters, you know, like,
Speaker 2: because what you'll see is is that people will and
Speaker 2: I and hey, we're gonna call it out here both ways,
Speaker 2: really because I'm I'm not for either version of the extreme.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you whenever comes to political parties
Speaker 2: and whatnot, but whenever you're using an entire religion as
Speaker 2: one of your base talking points. And it has gotten
Speaker 2: It has gotten wild lately, dude. Like I'm talking about
Speaker 2: they are using it to the absolute max. You got
Speaker 2: Trump like posting on true Social or Twitter or whatever
Speaker 2: talking about like he was gonna be the new Pope.
Speaker 2: And I know it's an AI kind of thing, but
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, and people look at that and they're like,
Speaker 2: he's he's literally our savior. He's literally going to come
Speaker 2: save us, and like there's a big difference between being
Speaker 2: politically saved and spiritually saved.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that being said, though, he posts this picture an
Speaker 4: AI image of him as the pope, and fine, it
Speaker 4: was a meme, it was meant in jest. Whatever. Then
Speaker 4: we have the first American pope in history. Yo, say
Speaker 4: what you want, but that's wild, okay.
Speaker 3: And the last pope died the day after he met
Speaker 3: with JJ or jd Vance.
Speaker 4: Yes, look, I'm not saying there's an obvious connection, but
Speaker 4: I'm saying we can't ignore the fact there may be
Speaker 4: a connection, that's all.
Speaker 3: And jd Vance is going around I don't know if
Speaker 3: you guys have noticed this, but he's been on this
Speaker 3: weird tour that has to do with Greenland as well.
Speaker 3: It got a little bit of coverage, but there was
Speaker 3: a story that ran a couple of weeks ago now
Speaker 3: where he was in Greenland, and you know the whole
Speaker 3: thing with Greenland, like Trump wants to take Greenland. It
Speaker 3: belongs to Denmark in some sort of capacity, but he
Speaker 3: wants to take it. Well, in the pictures with where
Speaker 3: they're like showing Jay was jd Vance, right, he's not
Speaker 3: in the pictures behind him? Is what's it called? It's
Speaker 3: an old base. It's an old camp, Hero is what
Speaker 3: it's called. That's that's a secret underground city that we
Speaker 3: put in back in like the fifties. I think they
Speaker 3: say it's got my like hundreds of miles of tunnels
Speaker 3: down there. Now they don't say that in the article.
Speaker 3: They're not pointing out the fact that this is Camp Century.
Speaker 3: They're just showing a picture of him. But what's he
Speaker 3: doing at Camp at this old like enigma of a
Speaker 3: military base?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: And then when you look into like Greenland more, you
Speaker 3: see that we have this place called Thule there, it
Speaker 3: was called Thule Air Base. We took it the exact time,
Speaker 3: the exact same time we went down for Operation was
Speaker 3: it Bird's Operation down to Antarctica High Jump. What people
Speaker 3: don't realize is when we sent Bird down for High Jump,
Speaker 3: we also sent a fleet up to the top of
Speaker 3: Greenland called uh and to a place called Thule that
Speaker 3: the Nazis had. It's called Operation Nanook. We took an
Speaker 3: old Nazi base, kept the name, called it Thule Air
Speaker 3: Force Base, and then it's still there today. It's a
Speaker 3: space force base, but it was named after a Nazi
Speaker 3: a cult order called the Society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is quite strange.
Speaker 3: No, but he knows anything about this. And I'm telling
Speaker 3: people keep your eyes on Greenland because they're cooking with
Speaker 3: something up there, and it has to do with something
Speaker 3: we took from the Nazis with a cult ties for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude, I'm I've I've started to think
Speaker 2: this here a little bit lately, and trust me up
Speaker 2: all the way, Team America, But this is starting to
Speaker 2: turn into like empirical right, Like this is like, if
Speaker 2: you're talking about taking over Canada, you're renaming a fucking
Speaker 2: body of water to Gulf of America. You're trying to
Speaker 2: take over Greenland. You're You're like like all these tariffs
Speaker 2: all over the world were making them bend to like
Speaker 2: bend their knee to us, like they just they just
Speaker 2: made a deal with China like yesterday. And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: this is some Roman emperor type shit right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we were founded on Rome for the most part,
Speaker 3: like you know, we I'd like to get into that
Speaker 3: at some point today, like because I'm chipping way at
Speaker 3: this massive conspiracy that involves you said giants earlier, and
Speaker 3: just the history of our nation, the true history of
Speaker 3: our nation. And one of the things that they did
Speaker 3: was they were looking for a place with seven hills.
Speaker 3: The founders were because they were obsessed with the seven
Speaker 3: Hills of Rome. The Etruscans, you know, built Rome there.
Speaker 3: They were in a cult order for sure. They were
Speaker 3: in like a group of these old like witches that
Speaker 3: established Rome. So our guys, our founding fathers, came over
Speaker 3: here and we're looking to do the same thing. And
Speaker 3: you know, they they named the capital after the Etruscans
Speaker 3: capital and that was in Rome. So and I know,
Speaker 3: I just went down a wild couple of rabbit trails there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you're not the first person to do that.
Speaker 4: DC has called the City on seven Hills. Rome is
Speaker 4: called the City in seven Hills. Jerusalem is also called
Speaker 4: the City of seven Hills. Look, I get right, there's
Speaker 4: no there's no shortage of comparisons that can be drawn,
Speaker 4: for sure. And then you look at the architecture. Why,
Speaker 4: with America of being the new, latest and greatest of
Speaker 4: a democratic republic, why did all of our buildings need
Speaker 4: to look like the Greek parthions and shit? Why did
Speaker 4: it need to look Roman in nature? No, I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that I don't like the Roman pillar aesthetic. Fine,
Speaker 4: that's fine, but what does it stand for? But why
Speaker 4: what does it fucking stand for? Right?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I think what that has to do with is largely
Speaker 3: there's there's two secret societies I've been looking into. One
Speaker 3: is the Society of Cincinnati and one is the Cosmos Club.
Speaker 3: And I can I can break that down more later.
Speaker 4: If you're going to need to have never heard of
Speaker 4: either of them.
Speaker 3: Let me just tell you this one thing though, real
Speaker 3: quick about Society of Cincinnati. George Washington himself founded that
Speaker 3: it predates the country.
Speaker 4: The Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes. And one of the things that they did was,
Speaker 3: uh that they all those guys in in the Society
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati were from older orders. George Washington himself is
Speaker 3: a descendant of the Templars, okay, and all those other
Speaker 3: guys were descendants of Masons and Rescrucians, et cetera. And
Speaker 3: they were obsessed with these old pagan Greek type of
Speaker 3: there's an occult strand there that you see through all
Speaker 3: these old cultures that these guys were very obsessed with.
Speaker 3: And that's why it pops up in our architecture today.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: They were so into the Greek stuff. Man. It goes
Speaker 3: back to older orders, and it goes back to the
Speaker 3: Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it at one of the Capitol buildings
Speaker 2: or something like that, where it's George Washington up there, right,
Speaker 2: and he's basically turning himself into an idol at that
Speaker 2: point and comparing them to a cathedral. Right.
Speaker 3: If anybody thinks that these guys weren't like a cultist
Speaker 3: or at least a cult minded, go google George Washington's
Speaker 3: Freemasonic temple in Alexandria.
Speaker 4: I've been there.
Speaker 3: I think he meant that to be like a like
Speaker 3: a Seventh Wonder of the World type thing because it's huge, right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, it is. Allegedly it mimics the Lighthouse
Speaker 4: of Alexandria. Okay, I actually have been there when I
Speaker 4: lived in DC. As a matter of fact, I was
Speaker 4: stationed in DC for four years. I lived there for
Speaker 4: about a year that I moved to Alexandria, Virginia. Now,
Speaker 4: when you look this up, Jonathan, I know you're googling
Speaker 4: it right now. Look at Old Town, Virginia, George Washington
Speaker 4: Masonic Temple. Okay, the front lawn of this thing has
Speaker 4: a giant Masonic compass in square, which okay, fine. The
Speaker 4: entire bottom floor of this temple is a museum open
Speaker 4: to the public. I've been there, as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: What's in those tower? What's in the tower? It looks
Speaker 3: like it's got four stories of town.
Speaker 4: Oh it has more than four, dude. It's like I
Speaker 4: want to say, it's like a twenty story building and
Speaker 4: the only floor that the regular public is allowed to
Speaker 4: go to is the first floor. Now you think that's crazy.
Speaker 4: After you look up this image, look at the Masonic
Speaker 4: Temple of Washington, d C. Like the lodge where you
Speaker 4: are made a thirty third degree Mason. So here theere
Speaker 4: I was, and I'll give you the backstore in this one.
Speaker 4: I was a high school kid. Okay, my soon to
Speaker 4: be mother in law of the ex wife and all that.
Speaker 4: She lived two blocks away from this. So we are
Speaker 4: in the middle of downtown d C. Big buildings, big
Speaker 4: high rises, metros and taxis, the whole nine. And we're
Speaker 4: just walking the block and I see this shit just
Speaker 4: in the middle of Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Bro Pikes, Albert Pike.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Albert Pike is the guy on as far
Speaker 4: as all this is concern. But the George Washington Masonic
Speaker 4: Lodge in old Town Alexandria, Virginia, plus this being I
Speaker 4: mean we're talking optimistically a fifteen minute drive away, and
Speaker 4: it's all that connected. Bro. I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: But I've never heard of the Order of Cincinnati. This
Speaker 4: is a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll jump into it in a second. But like,
Speaker 3: if there's pictures of this, So the pictures on here
Speaker 3: of George Washington's Masonic temple in Alexandria, they're not doing
Speaker 3: it justice. Oh, if you look in the middle, there's
Speaker 3: one of that's from far away right, and you get
Speaker 3: a glimpse of like a panorama of this place. It's
Speaker 3: like right down there in the middle with like the
Speaker 3: blue sky right next to that one boom, that one.
Speaker 3: Now that gives you perspective.
Speaker 2: That is freaking huge, that's how.
Speaker 3: And then there's pictures of it from if you're standing
Speaker 3: on the stoop, Like if you just walk out of
Speaker 3: the front door and you can see four miles, it's
Speaker 3: uh oh yeah, it's it's almost like a godlike experience
Speaker 3: that I think he was trying to capture.
Speaker 4: By the view, there's the giant Masonic compass and square
Speaker 4: on the front lawn. Dude, look, I'm telling you could
Speaker 4: see this from anywhere in Old Town, Virginia, which is
Speaker 4: where I was married the first time, by the way,
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: People, And don't you think it's strange that they won't
Speaker 3: let people up in that thing up in the tower.
Speaker 4: It's the same as like people being allowed into a
Speaker 4: Masonic temple. Like that's what.
Speaker 3: They're telling you. That's what they're telling you. But like
Speaker 3: what's up there, man, That's that's big enough to be
Speaker 3: a skyscraper in the house, Like companies, corporations, large amounts
Speaker 3: of people like what's up there, you know, anytime they
Speaker 3: have something blocked off like that, like they do with Petra.
Speaker 3: And I'll try not to get started on Petra because
Speaker 3: that's another.
Speaker 4: You tell us where you want to go. We're here
Speaker 4: for a smoke.
Speaker 3: We'll go with Society as Cincinnati. But I'll make my
Speaker 3: point with Petra. Petra is not what they've told us.
Speaker 3: It was not established by the Nabateans. It was established
Speaker 3: by Esau the Edomites in the Bible where it says
Speaker 3: Esau took his wives, which were Nephlum by the way,
Speaker 3: they were Canaanite women and one was a Nephlum descendant
Speaker 3: as well. Uh that he took them to Seer. Seer's
Speaker 3: right next to Petra. So they built that using like
Speaker 3: old world technology and stuff. So there's tunnels all through
Speaker 3: that and it goes down into the mountain and they
Speaker 3: were storing like old world just technology, manuscripts and occult
Speaker 3: records there and it's all blocked off to the public.
Speaker 3: That's my point. It's like you see this time and
Speaker 3: time again, there's you. They'll let people in. They let
Speaker 3: people in the Petra but they block off the rest
Speaker 3: of it they want. They let them walk inside the
Speaker 3: mountain for about I don't know, twenty feet or so,
Speaker 3: and that's as far as you're allowed to go.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you gotta. I'm sure their reason for that
Speaker 2: is wanting to keep the temple clean, like spiritually clean
Speaker 2: in a sense, because if you think about it, that's
Speaker 2: what all those old temples are really for, like that,
Speaker 2: I mean secret society type temples. I don't know about
Speaker 2: the Jewish temples and all that other stuff, but the
Speaker 2: secret society temples I know for sure. That's like you
Speaker 2: know I I dive in a lot into the occult
Speaker 2: and magic and witchcraft and stuff like that. And there's
Speaker 2: this awesome book I highly tell everybody, like just try
Speaker 2: and if you can find this book, it's I got
Speaker 2: it off Amazon, but it's it's called The Magickiant written
Speaker 2: by Philip Cooper. Dude, whenever you want to understand like
Speaker 2: the mindset of these people that are going into into
Speaker 2: the temple, I mean, say what you want about what
Speaker 2: you believe is what you believe is real? And are
Speaker 2: they giving us the full thing? What I'm not going there?
Speaker 2: I want to know why they think this, I want
Speaker 2: to understand why it works in their mind, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And you talk about the temple, it's
Speaker 2: like the temple that he was talking about in that
Speaker 2: book is it's supposed to be a place that literally
Speaker 2: nobody ever goes into, like only you, like your wife
Speaker 2: can't go in there, your kids can't go in there,
Speaker 2: your dogs can't go in there. It has to be
Speaker 2: a place whereas it is completely off limits to any
Speaker 2: even eyes, they can't even look at it because it
Speaker 2: has to be known to you and your subconscious mind
Speaker 2: or whatever that this is your place and nobody's ever
Speaker 2: going to taint it in that way. So if you're
Speaker 2: asking why these people aren't allowed to go up into
Speaker 2: the temple buildings and shit like that, I would probably
Speaker 2: say that is probably why, because they don't want their
Speaker 2: magic to get tainted. Like these people are absolutely a cult.
Speaker 2: They're absolutely into Yeah, they're absolutely into magic. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: as far as sacrifices and ship like that goes ah,
Speaker 2: probably yeah. I would also say that.
Speaker 3: They were certainly into magic. They were in the mounds.
Speaker 3: They were into the magic of the mounds as well.
Speaker 3: Uh and and there and don't get up there folks.
Speaker 3: There temples in North that the Native Americans didn't build,
Speaker 3: We didn't build. They predate, They go back to an
Speaker 3: earlier era. They you know, there's that enigma that is mountains.
Speaker 3: And we can get into this later, you know, if
Speaker 3: it comes up. But there was a lot of people
Speaker 3: coming over here and they were establishing temples. They were
Speaker 3: using magic. They were they were integrating magic into the
Speaker 3: actual building and all into the math of it, into
Speaker 3: everything about every aspect used magic. And you see that
Speaker 3: with the temples they built, which have been covered up,
Speaker 3: and the mounds, which some of them are still left.
Speaker 3: And Washington knew about this. He knew about these mounds.
Speaker 3: He was obsessed with them. He was a mound guy
Speaker 3: when he was in his when he was a teenager,
Speaker 3: he was checking out mounds writing about him. So it's
Speaker 3: a big part of this. And so you know, back
Speaker 3: to the society of Cincinnati, I think they knew all
Speaker 3: about this, and they were they were utilizing the mounds.
Speaker 3: They built all their cities on mounds. They built, uh
Speaker 3: what was it like governor's mansions on mounds. It's the
Speaker 3: same concept as the what the Catholic Church has done
Speaker 3: throughout the ages where they will go in to a
Speaker 3: pagan site and put a Catholic cathedral right on top
Speaker 3: of it. They're they're utilizing that earth energy, all that
Speaker 3: woo woo stuff. Oh yeah, I don't care if it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if I believe in it. That's what they did.
Speaker 3: That's what they believed in it. They were they were
Speaker 3: taking the pagan energy and like re channeling it for
Speaker 3: their Catholic Church Vatican wants and needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not even a question that that's what's going on.
Speaker 3: I mean with the Society of Cincinnati. Did guys, I'm
Speaker 3: telling you.
Speaker 4: So, tell us more about that society. This is the
Speaker 4: first time in my life I've ever heard of the
Speaker 4: Society of Cincinnati. Give us a breakdown of this era.
Speaker 3: I will. I will let me just throw it in
Speaker 3: a little shout out in a disclaimer here, because yeah,
Speaker 3: I've been studying the Cosmos Club, which I'll get to
Speaker 3: that later too, because it wine. But I was on
Speaker 3: a live recently and I was this guy was this
Speaker 3: guy's name is JJ Vance, not jd Vance, This guys
Speaker 3: JJ Vance, And he was talking about the Society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: and I didn't really heard about it. So I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that reminds me of the Cosmos Club. He's like, what's
Speaker 3: the Cosmos Club? So he's telling me about Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: I'm telling about Cosmos Club, and then I tell him
Speaker 3: about the headquarters of the Cosmos COVID in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: He pulls it up and he goes, you're not gonna
Speaker 3: believe this. The headquarters for the Society of Cincinnati's right
Speaker 3: across the street from the Cosmos Club. So we put
Speaker 3: these puzzle pieces together a couple of weeks ago. So
Speaker 3: all that to say, I'm still learning about Society the
Speaker 3: Cincinnati and this guy has there's another guy out there
Speaker 3: who's talking about it, and I just don't want it
Speaker 3: to come across like I'm still on his research. He
Speaker 3: told me about it, but I want to give him
Speaker 3: that shout out because he's got more years behind him
Speaker 3: on this stuff. But basically, what I found is that
Speaker 3: they were founded May thirteenth, seventeen eighty three. That was
Speaker 3: four years before the framing of the Constitution in seventeen
Speaker 3: eighty seven, so they predate that. Right. Like I said,
Speaker 3: Washington himself built this or established this. He was the
Speaker 3: president of the Society of the Cincinnati six years before
Speaker 3: he becomes our American president. So this in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways, this kind of predates the country in some
Speaker 3: weird kind of faucets. Like you know that all that
Speaker 3: talk about there being a secret society behind our government,
Speaker 3: Well it's true, and this is certainly one of them,
Speaker 3: because twenty three signers of Constitution were in this. Oh
Speaker 3: they they integrated. It's like they integrated the beginnings of
Speaker 3: America with the once in direction of the Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Because what they did was they had fourteen sub societies,
Speaker 3: one for all thirteen colonies and one for the French
Speaker 3: people who are still hanging around over here. That makes sense,
Speaker 3: deeply ingrained in the beginnings of our country.
Speaker 2: Seeing you wouldn't know about it, and you wouldn't think
Speaker 2: that you would think, oh, these are our founding fathers.
Speaker 2: This is what started this great country. And look, there's
Speaker 2: nothing against secret society, especially back then. Everybody was in
Speaker 2: a fucking secret society and everybody of importance anyway.
Speaker 4: But the social like clubs, you know, that's what it was.
Speaker 4: You were yes to the social network, right if you
Speaker 4: had money and you like to get down and smoke
Speaker 4: fine cigars and drink fine scotch. You were a part
Speaker 4: of these aristocras, credick socialite clubs. That's what it was.
Speaker 2: Well, you're saying that that's what it turned into. Now
Speaker 2: you're saying that that's not what it was.
Speaker 3: Then, No, yeah, exactly, I'm saying that's what history is
Speaker 3: looking back on this and saying it was. They're passing
Speaker 3: it off as just a socialite club. What I think
Speaker 3: that these guys were up to taps into this bigger
Speaker 3: plot of woo one world order because because these guys
Speaker 3: were in all these older orders, you know, and they
Speaker 3: were working with occult doctrines that go clear back to
Speaker 3: Babylon and Greece, that's where you see that that influence
Speaker 3: popping up. And uh, you know, if you wanted to
Speaker 3: look into this more like Manly p All breaks all
Speaker 3: this down really well in his book Secret Destiny of America.
Speaker 3: He goes into this order of secret men who have
Speaker 3: been at work throughout the ages, and basically we just
Speaker 3: live on their timeline and they hide the truth from us,
Speaker 3: and and basically we believe whatever version of that truth
Speaker 3: data tell us. That's the society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right. So I on my other podcast on
Speaker 2: Meta Mysteries, I had on his understudy who's still alive,
Speaker 2: and his name is Ronnie Pontiac. Fucking awesome guy. He
Speaker 2: looks like he was in a like a seventies or
Speaker 2: eighties hairband back in the day. I actually think that
Speaker 2: he was, but really really knowledgeable about a lot of
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, so much so that Malely P
Speaker 2: Hall was he was like Manley P Hall's right hand man.
Speaker 2: He Manly P Hall paid for him and his girlfriend
Speaker 2: soon to be wife. Well they're married now, but he
Speaker 2: paid for their wedding and was like like a really
Speaker 2: really big deal in it. And so I'm good. We're
Speaker 2: gonna have to get old Ronnie Pontiac on this show
Speaker 2: because this is not a book that I've heard of
Speaker 2: the only I mean, I know that he wrote more
Speaker 2: than one book, many p but I was only aware
Speaker 2: of the Secret Teachings for All Ages. So that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's cool, and points right back to this.
Speaker 3: There's clearly there was some sort of a pre existing
Speaker 3: a Colt order around and kicking prior to the beginning
Speaker 3: of this nation. And I'm saying there may have been
Speaker 3: a couple of them, but I'm saying definitely society as
Speaker 3: Cincinnati was. And this bled through just everything about the
Speaker 3: beginnings of America and and are down to our cities themselves.
Speaker 3: Like Cincinnati, the city was named after the Secret Society.
Speaker 3: Washington had a big hand in building that city, and
Speaker 3: I think they had bigger plans for Cincinnati than it
Speaker 3: kind of the way it turned out like although it
Speaker 3: was it was very powerful in its day. But going
Speaker 3: back to the mounds and these tipples I've been talking
Speaker 3: about that have been covered up here, there was Cincinnati
Speaker 3: was an ancient city before they built Cincinnati on top.
Speaker 2: Of Oh dude, they got more mountains in Ohio than
Speaker 2: any other state. Yeah, yeah, so checks out why they Yeah.
Speaker 3: They built Cincinnati on top of whatever the builders had
Speaker 3: already built there. And I mean this goes back thousands
Speaker 3: of thousands of years. Washington just moved in and you know,
Speaker 3: I would argue they kicked out the native people that
Speaker 3: were there at the time, but the natives got it
Speaker 3: from the giants or whoever those people were. They they
Speaker 3: seemed some of them were giants because there were giants
Speaker 3: in the mounds. But get this, Washington, like Cincinnati, the
Speaker 3: city as a location because it was already an ancient
Speaker 3: place and it was kind of mystical in that regard.
Speaker 3: But it also had seven hills, like.
Speaker 2: Rome, here we go, all right, So.
Speaker 3: That, like I said, they're obsessed with those etruscans man
Speaker 3: And eventually they found another place with seven hills, and
Speaker 3: that was Washington, d C. But they had big plans
Speaker 3: for Cincinnati. And you know, if you look into it,
Speaker 3: like the four ancient people lived in Cincinnati since like
Speaker 3: nine hundred da d at least they were probably descendants
Speaker 3: of the mound builders.
Speaker 2: So well, it's, uh, it's interesting whenever you think about
Speaker 2: it too, because I always thought so like for example,
Speaker 2: I you know, if you go to a certain state,
Speaker 2: you're always like, why is this city the capital? It
Speaker 2: makes no sense, Like, you know, Pennsylvania's weird about that,
Speaker 2: Baton Rouge. I don't think should be the capital New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows New Orleans as like the capital. I mean
Speaker 2: you would think it's like the biggest city and so.
Speaker 2: And I always thought that same way about Philadelphia. Well
Speaker 2: why wasn't Philadelphia the United States capital and not Washington DC?
Speaker 2: You know, like because you hear so many stories out
Speaker 2: of there, just historically and stuff like that. And I'm
Speaker 2: not a super huge history nerd or whatever, but it
Speaker 2: would make sense that you would want to found your
Speaker 2: nation's capital on the top of Seven Hills as opposed
Speaker 2: to just over there in Philly.
Speaker 4: So Philly was for a while. Then you hear stories
Speaker 4: that like Boston was where the founding fotherers met for
Speaker 4: a while. New Amsterdam later called New York was another
Speaker 4: spot that was being questioned about it. Right, George Washington
Speaker 4: chose the city of DC itself allegedly quote unquote italicized
Speaker 4: underlined because it was between Maryland and Virginia. It was
Speaker 4: like the perfect blend of the northern colonies to the
Speaker 4: southern colonies and all these things. However, the whole Seven
Speaker 4: Hills conversation absolutely needs to be talked about, right and
Speaker 4: to your point about Cincinnati and the Mound Builders, if
Speaker 4: you will. There's even other secret societies that date back, well,
Speaker 4: date back quote unquote at least their teachings date back.
Speaker 4: The Society of Red Men, or it later became the
Speaker 4: Improved Order of the Red Man, an organization completely comprised
Speaker 4: of white dudes, white aristocratic dudes that would wear buckskin pants,
Speaker 4: full feather headdress, as if they were Native Americans and
Speaker 4: would like teach the esoteric ways of the Native Americans,
Speaker 4: not allowing any Native Americans to join, by the way,
Speaker 4: because like that would be fucking preposterous. But they were
Speaker 4: all about the esoteric knowledge that the Red Men had.
Speaker 4: Now again, very small section of them, we're talking about
Speaker 4: like the Iroquois nations. What we're talking about them.
Speaker 3: Was this roughly what time was this secret society around
Speaker 3: this is?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Hell, I think they were founded. I could be wrong.
Speaker 4: It's been in mind since I go. We're just eighty eight, okay,
Speaker 4: and I think they finally they like revised themselves around
Speaker 4: like the eighteen eighties. Maybe well, I don't think they're
Speaker 4: around anymore today, but yeah, that was one.
Speaker 3: Of those I've suspected that to be the case because
Speaker 3: somebody came in here and got a hold of the
Speaker 3: knowledge that the Native Americans have and brought it into
Speaker 3: their cloak. They you know, their secret order, and they
Speaker 3: utilize And I think that's a nice example of proof
Speaker 3: of that, because make no mistake, these guys were obsessed
Speaker 3: with these mounds. The Society of Cincinnati when they found
Speaker 3: that location they came across an ancient city that was there.
Speaker 3: Now we're not told about this, so I know this
Speaker 3: is going to come as a surprise most people. What
Speaker 3: these guys did was they flooded and they destroyed, and
Speaker 3: they built over the mounds and the earthworks and pyramids
Speaker 3: because there were pyramids here too, and they erected buildings
Speaker 3: on the foundations of all this. And like that guy
Speaker 3: JJ Vance who I was talking about, he found a
Speaker 3: map of a mound complex slash city slash temple underneath
Speaker 3: the East Fork Lake outside of Cincinnati. So they there
Speaker 3: is a cover up here, Like not only did they
Speaker 3: build on top of the ancient city, but they flooded
Speaker 3: some of it and just left it underwater.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: And how about Washington Their football team for the longest
Speaker 2: time was the Redskins. You know, I wonder if that
Speaker 2: plays into any event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, the first, the first baseball team comes
Speaker 3: out of Cincinnati and they that if you look into
Speaker 3: baseball that was built there was a bunch of Freemasons
Speaker 3: who were throwing a ball from an Indian mound. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We actually covered this a while ago about how baseball
Speaker 2: is extremely Masonic, like.
Speaker 4: E extremely Masonic.
Speaker 2: And then you got the Cincinnati and you got the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds, right and yeah, and then there was the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Indians. It's like, it's all over the fucking place, dude.
Speaker 3: The star forts play a part in this story as well,
Speaker 3: I've found and uh, you know, there are connections to
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh here that I'd like to get into if if
Speaker 3: we can at some point.
Speaker 2: But like, oh, you're pulling up my heartstrings. Now that's
Speaker 2: my home, that's my home right thereby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's the second home to me as well.
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh had a fort at the very tip of the
Speaker 3: city that the peninsula that the downtown was built on.
Speaker 2: With the three rivers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a star fort there. It was one
Speaker 3: of those in Cincinnati as well. Washington and the boys
Speaker 3: knew about this. Washington knew about the one in Pittsburgh. Uh,
Speaker 3: and he knew about the one at Cincinnati. And they
Speaker 3: actually called the one in Cincinnati Fort Washington first. But
Speaker 3: here's the thing, that Starboard was there all ready. It
Speaker 3: probably predated the Native Americans. Some old culture built that there.
Speaker 3: They just came in and named it and like inhabited it.
Speaker 3: And what they did was Washington had people already at
Speaker 3: Fort pitt at the tip of Pittsburgh. He took some
Speaker 3: of those people and just brought him over to Fort
Speaker 3: Washington and Cincinnati. Yep, that's the star Ford man.
Speaker 2: Right, dude, that is right where like the Steelers Stadium.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to call it Akrochure, It's Hinsfield. It
Speaker 2: will always be Hinesfield, the big ketchup bottle. But that's
Speaker 2: where all of the stadiums are. And that is that's
Speaker 2: right at the rate at the tip of the Alleghany,
Speaker 2: Monongahela and the Ohio River.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never understood the whole thing with the star
Speaker 4: Ford situation from somebody who's who is a military background
Speaker 4: and understands the basis of how artillery works. Star forards
Speaker 4: makes sense that they would build that because hard angles
Speaker 4: make it difficult for cannonballs to break it. It's a
Speaker 4: ricochet thing. But to your point about mounds in Ohio,
Speaker 4: have y'all heard of the Hope Well Ceremonial site.
Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, Jonathan, can you leave this up. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you something about it in a minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Hope Well Ceremonial site. If we're going to
Speaker 4: talk about sacred geometry being used by the native peoples,
Speaker 4: and a site where, at least that we know of,
Speaker 4: twelve if not twenty, if not thirty, different tribes of
Speaker 4: different linguistic backgrounds all came to this one location to
Speaker 4: perform their yearly ceremonies and rituals. Damn near a pilgrimage
Speaker 4: site for Native Americans. And that is in Ohio. So
Speaker 4: when we're talking about these types of things in the
Speaker 4: mountain builders, there's absolutely a lot to go on here.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: There's a connection for sure, so to deal with this.
Speaker 3: And there were mounds here too, they're just been leveled.
Speaker 3: There was forts, mounds and ancient city like real cities.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about tepees and fires. These people built cities.
Speaker 3: Charity did to now to deal with this four is
Speaker 3: I've looked into this. Okay, this for I'm telling everybody,
Speaker 3: maybe for the first time ever right here, right now,
Speaker 3: this fort is way older. The fort at the tip
Speaker 3: of Pittsburgh is way older than they're telling us. They
Speaker 3: say that this they date this back to seventeen fifty four.
Speaker 3: They say the French got it going. They say it
Speaker 3: was Fort pitt Now, I guess they called Fort Pitt. Now,
Speaker 3: but before that, they say, in seventeen fifty four it
Speaker 3: was established as Fort Ducaine. But if you do some digging,
Speaker 3: they say, oh, well, you know there was an older
Speaker 3: fort there before Ducaine, called Fort Prince George. Oh. And
Speaker 3: if you do more digging, they're like, oh, yeah, well
Speaker 3: there was an old one before that. It's it's older,
Speaker 3: it's called Fort Trent. So that just keeps going back.
Speaker 3: There's no origin story for this place. It's like it's
Speaker 3: always been there. And they today what they tell you
Speaker 3: is that it was fifteen I'm sorry, seventeen fifty four,
Speaker 3: and and they go with that date because that's where
Speaker 3: they choose to start the story.
Speaker 4: He said, Fort Prince George, Yes, it was just searched
Speaker 4: it up. That's in South Carolina. Where is this Fort
Speaker 4: Pitt located? There was thirteen fifty three of Fort Prince George,
Speaker 4: South Carolina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were there were two. They called this one
Speaker 3: Fort Prince George at one time as well.
Speaker 4: God so okay, okay.
Speaker 3: You see that with Fort uh low Down or Loudon.
Speaker 3: You see that as well. There was one in Virginia
Speaker 3: and there was one in Tennessee, which yea. So it
Speaker 3: and it gets kind of weird as to why they
Speaker 3: were shifting names around like that too. Usually there's giants
Speaker 3: or stuff they don't want you to know about involved.
Speaker 3: So they may have actually had a purpose for naming
Speaker 3: a place with the same name twice that which is
Speaker 3: involved with the cover up. I'm not sure, but that
Speaker 3: seems to be anyways.
Speaker 2: Let's say, can you can you delve into what you
Speaker 2: believe these star forards actually were for I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people they like to think they like to
Speaker 2: go into the portal. Uh kind of conversation, energy kind
Speaker 2: of conversation. Could it be some kind of structure for
Speaker 2: the aliens to see or for spirits to come down,
Speaker 2: or some kind of jazz or what do you think
Speaker 2: is really going on with these I'm just gonna.
Speaker 3: Push all my shifts in and say all the above.
Speaker 2: Noy, why maybe?
Speaker 3: But maybe, but maybe man something there's something sacred about them.
Speaker 3: There's you know, sacred geometries involved, placement is involved. We
Speaker 3: know that the ancient people knew about what we call
Speaker 3: ley lines today. It's not that big of a stretch
Speaker 3: to think that there's an any energy grid here that
Speaker 3: they knew about. And we're tapping into these sites were
Speaker 3: connected for me, what they were used for possibly, I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm still working on that, but definitely forification, but
Speaker 3: also maybe something sacred, maybe some sort of a temple
Speaker 3: complex as well. But for me, what they what they
Speaker 3: represented is that they are indicators that there's an ancient
Speaker 3: civilization there where there was an ancient civilization there. Like
Speaker 3: if you see a peninsula with a starfar at the tip,
Speaker 3: that indicates that you're dealing with an ancient city that
Speaker 3: we haven't been told about there. They tend to be
Speaker 3: at the confluence of waterways. I had a guy named
Speaker 3: Rick osmon On. He talks about when he found an
Speaker 3: Indiana at the ConfL You know, there's one at the
Speaker 3: tip of Manhattan that nobody talks about. So there's no
Speaker 3: wonder Manhattan became a city. It's there's a place as
Speaker 3: a tip of Manhattan called Castle Clinton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it.
Speaker 3: Just it's got a weird history. They say it starts
Speaker 3: in eighteen oh six, but it goes back San Francisco,
Speaker 3: very defensible place with a star forar called Fort Point,
Speaker 3: right at the tip of a piece of land there.
Speaker 3: JT was telling me about one that he found on
Speaker 3: a map from the fifteen hundreds that goes back to
Speaker 3: the first colony of North Carolina, Roanoke Island. It seems
Speaker 3: that those people came over here and came straight to
Speaker 3: a star Forard that was already here, a pre existing
Speaker 3: star Ford that they knew about.
Speaker 2: Think about that, dude, all right? So I was just
Speaker 2: thinking about it, and I like to ask my Jarvis
Speaker 2: about these things aka chatchi et.
Speaker 4: Of course, you do your fucking ai god that you worship.
Speaker 2: I don't worship anybody, Okay, I just want to make
Speaker 2: that clear. Secondly, so I was because I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, well, star Ford, I wonder if that has
Speaker 2: anything to do with like a pentagram per se, Right,
Speaker 2: if you really think about it, like all of DC
Speaker 2: is laid out like a pentagram, and then you got
Speaker 2: the star Forards. Obviously, could this be the precursor to it?
Speaker 2: And I found something quite interesting So as far as
Speaker 2: a cult protection in siritual defense. Now, I know this's
Speaker 2: gonna sound kind of wild, but this could have been
Speaker 2: how they were thinking. We don't know. It says in
Speaker 2: magical traditions, stars and pentagrams are used for protection, warding
Speaker 2: off evil or negative Energies, says star forts may have
Speaker 2: doubled as ritual wards, protecting not only from physical invaders
Speaker 2: but from spiritual threats. This is where it gets interesting
Speaker 2: right here, though, Think of them as sigils on earth.
Speaker 2: Each each fort is a giant talisman. Now you want
Speaker 2: to talk about using a fucking talisman of like most
Speaker 2: people wear a talisman around their neck, just a little
Speaker 2: necklist or maybe you got like a little sigil type
Speaker 2: talisman or whatever you keep on your desk or whatever.
Speaker 2: This is in the land on specific lay lines, in
Speaker 2: very strategic places. If this is like an act, like,
Speaker 2: I almost want to believe that this is the giant talisman.
Speaker 2: I think that that's what's going on here.
Speaker 3: Dude, I do too. And I should have said that
Speaker 3: before when I said sacred gieometry, I should have gone
Speaker 3: into detail about what I meant by that. I meant
Speaker 3: that I think that those are talismans, big, big talismans.
Speaker 3: I think you see it in Florida if you look
Speaker 3: up a big Tony's mound. Now it's not a star,
Speaker 3: but it's a talisman that these people placed carved into
Speaker 3: the landscape. This is a male complex. Nobody ever talks
Speaker 3: about it looks like something. It's that's it. Look at
Speaker 3: that thing, man, it looks like.
Speaker 4: The sow east out west. What is this?
Speaker 3: It's in down near the Everglades.
Speaker 4: I believe in Florida.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, yes, so that's my questionman, that's a talisman
Speaker 3: in my.
Speaker 4: Opinion, I'm not even denying that, right. These earthen mounds
Speaker 4: that were made by Native peoples. Allegedly they didn't have shovels,
Speaker 4: they didn't have backos. They were doing it with sticks
Speaker 4: and mud, and they could had no way of seeing
Speaker 4: what it would look like from the air. But somehow
Speaker 4: they were able to make these perfect sheaps. I'm with you.
Speaker 4: My question is why do we only see them in
Speaker 4: super heavily populated white people areas, Like why don't we
Speaker 4: see mounds in Montana or Dakota that was like super
Speaker 4: heavily populated by the Lakota people. Like these mounds and
Speaker 4: these star forts only happen in places where white people
Speaker 4: decided were a good defensive structure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well where do they Who do they take them from?
Speaker 4: Though? No, no, no, I'm not saying to take them,
Speaker 4: I'm saying built them. Like why do we only find
Speaker 4: not even built them find them. Why do we only
Speaker 4: find them in places where white people thought would be
Speaker 4: a decent logistical, if not defensive spot too.
Speaker 2: Well, these things, I mean back you're talking about back
Speaker 2: in a time when like slavery was a thing.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be majority white people that are in
Speaker 2: charge of this shit.
Speaker 3: It goes back to the society of Cincinnati. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: this is where they settled on places like this because
Speaker 3: the magic was already there.
Speaker 4: It was like, okay, so pre dat in the society
Speaker 4: of Cincinnati, right before before the Europeans ever made their
Speaker 4: way to North America. Because you're saying these things pre
Speaker 4: date colonialism, they predate the first white people ever get
Speaker 4: into this continent. And I'm with you, So why don't
Speaker 4: we see them in the Midwest.
Speaker 3: Well, they had something out there called medicine giant medicine wheels.
Speaker 3: But people who were in I think four corners of
Speaker 3: Arizona region had a place they called Star City and
Speaker 3: they had a medicine wheel and a temple up there.
Speaker 3: And what they would do is they would go up
Speaker 3: to the high places like you read about in the Bible,
Speaker 3: because there's some sort of connection on top of mountains
Speaker 3: to the other side. They would go up there and
Speaker 3: they would do their rituals, and the star people would
Speaker 3: come down and visit them. You see that out west
Speaker 3: more so than just mounds. They had a different It's
Speaker 3: almost like they had a different way or a different
Speaker 3: culture about doing it. But even down to the star
Speaker 3: thing you're talking about. We were talking about the shape
Speaker 3: of the star right that that symbolizes the path of
Speaker 3: Venus in the night sky. The path of Venus is
Speaker 3: a pentagram, and Venus is ishtar.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, you're drawing you're drawing comparisons here that I'm
Speaker 4: not sure I've heard before. Break that down. Well, the
Speaker 4: path of Venus is in the planet in the sky
Speaker 4: is the path of a pentagram?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes an eight pointed star. I believe it
Speaker 3: is the path of Venus over the course of I
Speaker 3: don't remember how long, a couple, like maybe six months.
Speaker 4: I think we talked about this the other day. It's
Speaker 4: like eighty eight days on Earth is a or that
Speaker 4: was a Mercury year. Excuse me, I'm not sure what
Speaker 4: a Venus year is. But okay, so you're saying that
Speaker 4: it makes a pentagram, is a five pointed start, you're
Speaker 4: saying an eight pointed.
Speaker 3: Maybe, I think it's I think it's a points within
Speaker 3: the pentagram as well that helped make it. But anyways,
Speaker 3: it is whatever a pentagram is, it makes a pentagram.
Speaker 3: I remember like studying that and researching that. And Venus
Speaker 3: is associated with ishtar. And if you look at the
Speaker 3: people who the people who were here before our founding fathers,
Speaker 3: they were really into goddess worship, and so were the
Speaker 3: Founding fathers, and ishtar plays a big role in that
Speaker 3: ish tar they had. The Native Americans had a version
Speaker 3: of ishtar here called it uh chai i x c
Speaker 3: h A I think is what it's called. It's or Ostara,
Speaker 3: like the Germanic version is Ostara.
Speaker 4: And that was the magazine that Hitler got down with
Speaker 4: really heavily and then decided, Nah, I'm not about the
Speaker 4: star shit. I'm gonna do my own Nazi thing. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's a weird rabbit hole. I didn't mean
Speaker 3: to take us down that, but I'm just I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to say that there's goddess worship and intergrained in
Speaker 3: all this, and it wasn't just the Europeans who had
Speaker 3: ishtar or the Middle Eastern people they had ishtar inanna Astara,
Speaker 3: Germanic people had Ostara, uh, and the Native Americans had
Speaker 3: this Kscha character. And it's if you look into it,
Speaker 3: it's all the same goddess. And I think she had
Speaker 3: something to do with these asient sites as well. But
Speaker 3: you know there were cities here, right, Charleston was a
Speaker 3: star fort first that became a very important, you know,
Speaker 3: coastal city.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: They actually fortified a city around Charleston. And that those
Speaker 3: walls are now buried underneath Charles and like six to
Speaker 3: eight feet How it got buried, I don't know, but
Speaker 3: you just see this time and time again. A lot
Speaker 3: of our major cities were ancient civilizations and they had
Speaker 3: star forts there. It's it's the darnest thing.
Speaker 2: Some to it, dude, like this is old school ritual
Speaker 2: occult type shit. They knew that. It's like harnessing. There's
Speaker 2: they find so many different ways to harness so many
Speaker 2: different powers and energies and everything that they can. And
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people will probably think that
Speaker 2: that's woo woo, that's crazy whatever. But there's some dude,
Speaker 2: look into the thirty third parallel, and see how many
Speaker 2: crazy things are on the fucking thirty third parallel, And
Speaker 2: and it's just all over the place. Like there, there's
Speaker 2: it's it's different wherever you go. Like anybody who's ever
Speaker 2: lived in more than one state, dude, I'm talking about
Speaker 2: like I lived the majority, well, no longer the majority.
Speaker 2: I lived a large percentage of my life in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: I moved down to Louisiana.
Speaker 4: It was you.
Speaker 2: It was basically a different world. Like I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: The food's different, the the people are different, the air
Speaker 2: is different, the sun is different, literally every single I love.
Speaker 3: New Orleans is one of my favorite places to go.
Speaker 2: Ever, right, and now I live in Texas and it's
Speaker 2: way off from even both of those, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's like, I think that there has to be something
Speaker 2: about the the the energy as far as the grid
Speaker 2: and all that kind of goes.
Speaker 3: Bro, I'll hit you with one right now that's coming
Speaker 3: to mind, And you're absolutely right, because there was a
Speaker 3: grid here. They knew about it and they knew how
Speaker 3: to utilize it. There was if you look at Saint
Speaker 3: Louis and these people knew about like grids, they knew
Speaker 3: about the Layalneses stuff like that. I think that they
Speaker 3: got it from the mountain builders, and I think the
Speaker 3: Native Americans were able to retain some of that knowledge.
Speaker 3: And a good example of it is is Cokia Mound
Speaker 3: outside of Saint Louis. Kahokia, Kahokia, c Ak, yeah, c
Speaker 3: ak something else Kahokia.
Speaker 4: I mean we're talking Native American language. Our spelling of
Speaker 4: it is gonna do it injustice. But I'm with you
Speaker 4: Cook in Saint Louis, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's c ak i a or o a something
Speaker 3: like that. But yeah, it's proof to me that there
Speaker 3: are our cities are older than what we're told. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's Monks Bound. That's Monk's Mound right there. That's a
Speaker 3: part of this mount complex. Look how big that is.
Speaker 3: It's it's mass huge.
Speaker 4: Looks like this type of is tech pyramid if I've
Speaker 4: ever seen one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And they won't let people get in there
Speaker 3: and excavate. There could be a temple in there, there
Speaker 3: could be a whole who knows what in there, like
Speaker 3: a whole I don't know, civilization or remnants of one
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 2: Dude. I wonder if you know as far as what
Speaker 2: could possibly be in the mounds and stuff. I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people speculate that it could be bones
Speaker 2: of giants or and I'm not even saying that that's
Speaker 2: not what it is. I have no idea, but there
Speaker 2: were I think there there was like this. I heard
Speaker 2: about this not that long ago, but it was a
Speaker 2: I guess people like researchers or something like that went
Speaker 2: down to Brazil and we're talking to like this native
Speaker 2: tribe in Brazil and they were showing them pictures of aliens,
Speaker 2: and those people down in Brazil, they go, oh, they
Speaker 2: don't come from there. They're the ant people, Like those
Speaker 2: are the people that are underground, and they've known about this,
Speaker 2: like for generations and generations. So it almost makes me wonder,
Speaker 2: is this mound something that was built not on not
Speaker 2: just to have like a structure above ground, but could
Speaker 2: this have been dirt that was dug up from beneath
Speaker 2: for that purpose, like an underground type of town or
Speaker 2: a temple or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Agartha right, or the Cherokee had the legends of
Speaker 3: the inner Earth little people, and yeah, a lot of
Speaker 3: these ancient cultures believed that there was an entrance to
Speaker 3: the earth and that there were people living there. I mean,
Speaker 3: the moon eyed people of Tennessee is a good example.
Speaker 3: Like they were. The story's gotten twisted. People are saying
Speaker 3: they had blue eyes and all that. But I went
Speaker 3: back and looked, and honestly, the Cherokee said they had
Speaker 3: black eyes, indicating that they were nocturnal, indicating that they
Speaker 3: probably came out of the ground. They lived underground, and
Speaker 3: it came up at night because they couldn't see during
Speaker 3: the daytime. Their eyes weren't didn't adapt to daylight or something.
Speaker 3: But anyway, you see this like sprinkled across antiquity, this
Speaker 3: inner Earth concept. But let me hit you with this
Speaker 3: man this mound Kahokia. This was an ancient city. It
Speaker 3: goes back probably I think they say fourteen thousand years,
Speaker 3: maybe longer. This is what Saint Louis was built on. This.
Speaker 3: If you draw a straight line, this connects to a
Speaker 3: huge mound in Moundsville, West Virginia. And uh, then it
Speaker 3: goes all the way to the coast and it connects
Speaker 3: to this tower out there called Newport Tower. It's another
Speaker 3: ancient place and and the Newport Tower was uh I
Speaker 3: think it's I think it's associated with maybe even like
Speaker 3: Scandinavian people who came here way before Columbus, because there's
Speaker 3: there were ruins on it.
Speaker 4: Where is Newport Loke, I know of Newport, Virginia.
Speaker 3: Newport Tower. Is it Connecticut? It's in one of those
Speaker 3: little New England places.
Speaker 4: Let's check it out, Newport Tower.
Speaker 3: But it's connected tord.
Speaker 4: Oh god Rhode Island, one of the only things there,
Speaker 4: I might add.
Speaker 3: But so, and that thing is bigger than it looks
Speaker 3: like in the pictures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, try and find a decent picture that.
Speaker 4: Looks like an ancient grain silo that they just like
Speaker 4: quit building. But I could tell it's not like how cool.
Speaker 3: That looks though it had Norse ruins, Oh it had.
Speaker 3: It's connected maybe to the Kensington Ruinstone, which.
Speaker 2: Would make stend makes sense if we're talking about Scandinavian
Speaker 2: m But.
Speaker 3: It's connected on a grid and invisible grid to Kahokia
Speaker 3: Mound and Mounainsville, West Virginia, which is the which is
Speaker 3: the site of the Grave Creek tablet that mysteriously went missing.
Speaker 3: They pulled a tablet out of Grave Creek Round Mound
Speaker 3: in West Virginia that had Iberian Phoenician on it. So
Speaker 3: what we're talking about here is many different cultures who
Speaker 3: were over here working together potentially, like like there was
Speaker 3: a cub of there was a hub of commerce here.
Speaker 3: And I think it goes back to the copper mines actually,
Speaker 3: because you know, we know that all that tons of
Speaker 3: copper is missing from the Great Lakes. Uh, these people
Speaker 3: were coming over here in mine and copper people from
Speaker 3: the Middle East even.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the Natives didn't have much use for copper.
Speaker 4: There's very few examples of them needing it. However, if
Speaker 4: some other people from a whole nother place who knew
Speaker 4: what copper was, especially if we're talking about the Bronze
Speaker 4: Age or even further, knew what this substance was and
Speaker 4: knew how to utilize it, it would make sense that
Speaker 4: they would have came here to mine it for their
Speaker 4: purposes one hundred percent, because I mean the Natives are
Speaker 4: using flint and like making chirt arrowheads up until the
Speaker 4: Civil War, I mean even further than that actually, So yeah,
Speaker 4: they didn't really have the need to go mining because
Speaker 4: they were cool with surface level shit. I could take
Speaker 4: a rock and break it into whatever I need, So
Speaker 4: why would I dig in deeper? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the natives were using the copper because it was
Speaker 3: at one point it was so plentiful. They could just
Speaker 3: go and pick it up off the ground, and you know, copper,
Speaker 3: you can kind of hammer it into whatever shape you
Speaker 3: need it for, and it's a conductor. But I think
Speaker 3: what's telling for me that has to do with copper
Speaker 3: is a lot of these giants that were pulled out
Speaker 3: of the burial mounds were adorned with copper beads and
Speaker 3: copper bracelets. That tells me that these giants and this
Speaker 3: mountain builder group of people were associated with the copper mining.
Speaker 3: They probably made their livelihood off of it. You know,
Speaker 3: we found all these old ships off the Mississis. They
Speaker 3: were using the Mississippi like a great, a giant highway
Speaker 3: to get our great great lakes. And we found ships,
Speaker 3: Phoenician ships buried on the banks of the Mississippi River.
Speaker 3: So the Phoenicians were definitely coming here.
Speaker 4: I've never heard that before. Brother, You're blowing my mind
Speaker 4: with that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'll try to send you the arcle. I
Speaker 3: don't have it with me. I have an article somewhere
Speaker 3: on my phone, but I don't have it like at
Speaker 3: arms length right now. But there's another article that they
Speaker 3: just found a Canaanite ship that dates back to a
Speaker 3: long time ago. I don't remember the exact dates. I
Speaker 3: could probably find it here, and that indicates that the
Speaker 3: Canaanites were coming over here too. They were seafaring. There
Speaker 3: were always seafaring people coming over here. And uh, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think if I was to go back to this
Speaker 3: society of Cincinnati, I think these guys knew about this.
Speaker 3: And it just so much stuff has happened between now
Speaker 3: and then to get in the way of this history,
Speaker 3: to kind of off escape this history. And one of
Speaker 3: those I think is George Washington. And I think that
Speaker 3: he because I think by him driving out the natives
Speaker 3: and putting cities on the mound sites, and then then
Speaker 3: later the Smithsonian coming in and clearing up everything else,
Speaker 3: hiding everything else, we just don't have a good picture
Speaker 3: of what actually went down here. And like like Washington,
Speaker 3: like he so he you know, he he was responsible
Speaker 3: for clearing out the valley that Pittsburgh's in right now.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: I found this recently in research. He was down there.
Speaker 3: He worked for the British at one point. He was
Speaker 3: he was fighting for the British. He was kind of
Speaker 3: like a mercenary for hire or something. But the natives
Speaker 3: called him devourer of villages because he would come through
Speaker 3: and he would clear out a village. And that's what
Speaker 3: they did with this side at Pittsburgh. They came through
Speaker 3: and they cleared the Natus off of it and built
Speaker 3: a city there. George Washington, it goes straight to the top.
Speaker 3: George Washington himself was a part of that cleanup.
Speaker 4: That's pretty crazy because I've done a decent amount of
Speaker 4: digging into George Washington's military background. Right, so, before he
Speaker 4: decided to be a part of the revolutionaries and all
Speaker 4: these things, he was a British officer. Of course, says
Speaker 4: most of the aristocratic class was before the colonies decided
Speaker 4: to break off into their own thing. And I know
Speaker 4: that I get a lot of shit for this, but
Speaker 4: Washington was a dog shit commander. Like he had a
Speaker 4: handful of victories, and most of that was because the
Speaker 4: British overestimated their abilities and said, oh, these peasant farmers
Speaker 4: will never be able to stack up against us. Then
Speaker 4: they decided to start using guerrilla warfare and things with
Speaker 4: you know, ol marian and things. This is the point
Speaker 4: I'm gotting a whole tang on that. If you look
Speaker 4: back at George Washington's British military history, it wasn't impressive
Speaker 4: at all. He was low to middle level management guy
Speaker 4: who more often than not kind of led his men
Speaker 4: into their own slaughter, if not ran and cowardice he had.
Speaker 3: There was some nepotism involved with this too, because of.
Speaker 4: Course we're talking about the aristocratic class of Britain, dude
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 3: And dude, I don't know if you know about this,
Speaker 3: but his his great grandfather was involved with this these
Speaker 3: kind of activities too. So it was it was Tanna Cherison,
Speaker 3: Airquois leader who started the French and Indian War, who
Speaker 3: gave George Washington the nickname Devour of Villages. But they
Speaker 3: nicknamed him that because that is what they called his
Speaker 3: great grandfather. George Washington's great grandfather was called the town
Speaker 3: Destroyer eighty years earlier for his wrath on the natives.
Speaker 3: So the Washington family were like these kind of like
Speaker 3: militia men who could who were known to be able
Speaker 3: to drive out villages, and they would send a guy
Speaker 3: like Washington in to run off the natives to take
Speaker 3: the land and to destroy the towns and to rebuild
Speaker 3: on them. Stuff that fit the model of what they
Speaker 3: wanted America to become. They were the original manifest destiny,
Speaker 3: roadhouse conqueror. Guys, it's crazy what they did.
Speaker 2: It checks out, especially whenever you're comparing it to today
Speaker 2: in a sentence.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and think about it, like later, when he
Speaker 3: became the George Washington, he's in a position where he
Speaker 3: could have the history retold. It's just like his biographers
Speaker 3: they lie about that cherry tree story. That's bogus, that's
Speaker 3: not even real. They just kind of rewrote a new
Speaker 3: George Washington story that fits the narrative. And he became
Speaker 3: such a powerful player in American history he had the
Speaker 3: resources to rewrite history of this region and and tell
Speaker 3: you know, whatever version of that he wanted it to
Speaker 3: be devour of villages. I never heard that in school, fellas,
Speaker 3: But that's dude.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing too, is that a lot of
Speaker 2: people think that like conspiracies really only started within the
Speaker 2: last one hundred years or so. I'm like, dude, this
Speaker 2: shit goes back so far. They had to learn it
Speaker 2: from somebody they knew how to be sisty. They knew
Speaker 2: how to lie and cheat and steal and and and
Speaker 2: blind people to what the actual truth was. Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you just come over and take America
Speaker 2: like like the way that they tell us, I mean, sure,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, I don't really know history
Speaker 2: as well as probably either one of you guys. But
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to like stuff like that and you're
Speaker 2: talking about the mounds and like all of the talismans
Speaker 2: and the sigil work and the lay lines and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, like this points to an occult class that
Speaker 2: came over and knew what they were doing, and they
Speaker 2: they were doing it. It was like spiritual warfare included,
Speaker 2: you know, in just regular warfare, but you know, just
Speaker 2: out of curiosity. Whenever do you think that they were
Speaker 2: Like whenever you're pulling on energy, let's just say from
Speaker 2: a star Ford or from a lay line or something
Speaker 2: like that. Now, I don't know what your spiritual or
Speaker 2: religious affiliation or whatever is, but where do you think
Speaker 2: that energy is coming from? Is that natural earth energy?
Speaker 2: Is it pulling from the energy from down below? Is
Speaker 2: it like hellish energy? Like what do you think about
Speaker 2: all that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a Christian, but I don't get all worked
Speaker 3: up and been out of shape about crystals and earth
Speaker 3: energies and stuff like that. I think they're just a
Speaker 3: natural part of this plane or plane at or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to consider. This is right, It's just a
Speaker 3: natural part of being here. It's just like the seasons,
Speaker 3: the cycles of the seasons, and you know, like the
Speaker 3: cicadas that come out of the ground once every x
Speaker 3: amount of years, there's like a cycle, and there's like
Speaker 3: a there's like a layout to things, and I think
Speaker 3: part of that is just this energy grid. I don't
Speaker 3: know that it's good or bad, but I'll tell you this,
Speaker 3: I think it can be used for either or oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it can be harnessed.
Speaker 2: It's like the old adage of millionaires don't use astrology,
Speaker 2: but billionaires do. Yes, I mean they know about the
Speaker 2: energies above. And whether you believe in the energies above
Speaker 2: or not, I absolutely, like I almost know it to
Speaker 2: be an absolute fact that the elites of the elites
Speaker 2: are absolutely using the stars alignment in the sky to
Speaker 2: their advantage. Like there's no way they're not to me anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And a good example of being
Speaker 3: used for bad well possible example, because the Nazis, I know,
Speaker 3: we're looking into this, they were looking at they had
Speaker 3: that Agartha Inner Earth tradition that they believed in. You
Speaker 3: know that going back to that Thule society that the
Speaker 3: base that we took up in Greenland from the Nazis.
Speaker 3: The Thuley Society was in a cult order much that
Speaker 3: were you know, running a nation behind the scenes, much
Speaker 3: like what we're talking about here today. And the Nazis
Speaker 3: believed in Agartha and they believed that there was like
Speaker 3: a big massive cavern down there inside the Earth. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like hollow Earth theory. And they believed that
Speaker 3: it had its own type of sun, and they called
Speaker 3: it the Black Sun, and they believed that it emanated
Speaker 3: some sort of an energy field that you could harness
Speaker 3: and tap into. And that's what they were trying to do.
Speaker 3: They were trying to get down into the Earth to
Speaker 3: find not only ancient civilizations, but an ancient power source
Speaker 3: known as the Black Sun, so they could harness it.
Speaker 3: You know, did they find it, I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 3: but it wouldn't have probably been worked out well if
Speaker 3: they did.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, you hear about, you know, and you
Speaker 2: look into the story of Admiral Bird's journal or diary,
Speaker 2: whatever it was, and I know that that is something
Speaker 2: that is argued a little bit because where it came from.
Speaker 2: Supposedly his son found it or something like that and
Speaker 2: released it. We don't know if that's actually a true
Speaker 2: story or not. But if you believe it, which I
Speaker 2: tend to, it talks about going into the inner Earth
Speaker 2: and seeing like giant beings and crazy forestation and there's
Speaker 2: a whole other like ecosystem going on in there. And
Speaker 2: you're trying to say that within within today's day and age,
Speaker 2: that we can only drill eight miles to the center
Speaker 2: of the earth, Like, I don't buy that. And we've
Speaker 2: only discovered, like we've only ever even discovered five percent
Speaker 2: of the ocean's floor. So I don't buy that either. Personally,
Speaker 2: I think that they probably know what the fuck is up,
Speaker 2: and either they're they're staying away or they're hoarding all
Speaker 2: of the resources and information for themselves. Either way, it's
Speaker 2: not a good it's not a good look.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I tend to believe in stuff
Speaker 2: like that because you know, let's just say you don't
Speaker 2: believe in the whole inner Earth thing? Well, what the
Speaker 2: fuck did admiral Birds see beyond? You know, the ice
Speaker 2: wall and Antarctica? Like that's you're talking about an admiral dude,
Speaker 2: Like this was no scrub.
Speaker 3: I think that it lines up with the legend of
Speaker 3: the Crystal City that the Irish had, and and and go.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that that's what his diary possibly
Speaker 3: is dealing with. And It's been a while since I've
Speaker 3: looked into this, but I'll tell you this too, that
Speaker 3: a bunch of birds records went to a university I
Speaker 3: think it was in Ohio, and they were released in
Speaker 3: recent day. I don't remember the date, but I remember
Speaker 3: when I looked into it. At the time that those
Speaker 3: documents were released or people were allowed to go in
Speaker 3: and look at them, was right around the time the
Speaker 3: Bird Diary started showing up. It was published right after
Speaker 3: these documents were open up to the public, right, And
Speaker 3: I looked into it, and I I what I gleaned
Speaker 3: is that Bird was talking about not South, not the
Speaker 3: South Pole, but the North Pole. In that diary. He
Speaker 3: was he was talking about and describing a trip he
Speaker 3: flew up over the North Pole where he saw this
Speaker 3: futuristic city of lights and all that. And I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 3: it lines up with the Irish legends of the Crystal City,
Speaker 3: which was like around eleven hundred a d. These people
Speaker 3: were hearing weird sounds. These Irish people were hearing weird
Speaker 3: sounds and they were seeing like weird lights. So they
Speaker 3: got in their ships and they chased after the weird
Speaker 3: lights and they found that there was a crystal city
Speaker 3: that had come up out of the ocean. They went,
Speaker 3: they landed, and they said they talked to these entities
Speaker 3: there they looked kind of like people, and that they
Speaker 3: were Earth's record keepers.
Speaker 4: That's not doing them. Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: It might be intertwined with that, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: But basically what happened was they would go, they'd meet
Speaker 3: with these people and they would leave in the city,
Speaker 3: would like disappear or something and go back into the Earth.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but every year, and the Irish have
Speaker 3: records of this. Every year they would see the weird lights,
Speaker 3: hop in their ships, go visit the Earth record keepers,
Speaker 3: learn some stuff, and then come back. And it sounds
Speaker 3: just like that city that bird mentions in his diary,
Speaker 3: and and they they went north to find this city.
Speaker 3: It's it's all. It all kind of lines up.
Speaker 2: And that's what allegedly that's where Hitler said that the
Speaker 2: the Nordics came from too, right, Yeah, what it would
Speaker 2: be from up there, So I mean there might be
Speaker 2: something here and and I always like to go back
Speaker 2: to this one too, So so Justin Trudeau, ex Prime minister.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he still is. I thought he
Speaker 2: stepped down. But anyway, Justin Trudeau, his dad used to
Speaker 2: be big dickon right. That's basically how he got the job.
Speaker 2: And Justin Trudeau said he understood he was whenever he
Speaker 2: was a little kid he went, he went with his
Speaker 2: dad up to the North Pole, and whenever he went
Speaker 2: up to the North Pole, he goes. I understand the
Speaker 2: amount of power and respect that my dad had after
Speaker 2: what I had seen at the North Pole. And it
Speaker 2: kind of left it very open ended like that, and
Speaker 2: so it led it. You know, it leads a lot
Speaker 2: of people to speculate like, all right, well did he
Speaker 2: see hollow Earth? Did he see other beings? Did he
Speaker 2: see you know what I'm saying, and so, what would
Speaker 2: lead you to think that it might be the Nordics? Dude,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It may have been because I think Trudeau was like
Speaker 3: three years old when they did that trip, and it
Speaker 3: just makes sense that they would they allowed his dad
Speaker 3: to maybe take him because he was so young. And
Speaker 3: can you hear me right now? Okay? And uh, and
Speaker 3: you know they went up I think there's some land
Speaker 3: up there. Personally, this is what I think. And Bird
Speaker 3: was talking about this in some interviews back in the fifties.
Speaker 3: Bird was describing a big area of land up there
Speaker 3: and he said it was getting crowded at the North Pole. Yeah,
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like, what is he talking about. Well,
Speaker 3: if you look across mythologies and old maps, they all
Speaker 3: show this hyper Borea area at the North Pole. It's
Speaker 3: on all the old maps. And sometime in our time,
Speaker 3: you know, in the twentieth century, they took it off
Speaker 3: of the maps, and you know, Google obviously kind of
Speaker 3: blocks it and stuff. But I'm saying, like, what if
Speaker 3: there's a piece of land up there that Trudeau's dad,
Speaker 3: you know, because he was an elite right had access
Speaker 3: to it, and it's just blocked off from the rest
Speaker 3: of us. It's the hyper Borea, it's the Thuley, it's
Speaker 3: the maybe the area perhaps even where this at. We
Speaker 3: get these atlantis myths.
Speaker 2: You know, and that's something that's pretty interesting too. And
Speaker 2: this is gonna be like my third time saying this,
Speaker 2: but I just find it to be so fascinating. There
Speaker 2: was a guy that went to court here recently talking
Speaker 2: about the all the UFO type stuff, and he said
Speaker 2: that there were four types of alien breeds that he
Speaker 2: absolutely knew about, and the Tall Whites are one of them.
Speaker 2: Like he said that they were absolutely in communication with
Speaker 2: what they call the Nordics or the Tall Whites or
Speaker 2: something like that, also named the gray aliens, also named
Speaker 2: the Reptilians and the insectoids. So that's fucking weird, but
Speaker 2: it leads you to like believe, now, like, let's just
Speaker 2: say that that is true. Let's just say that it's
Speaker 2: not just some kind of mk ultru to get everybody
Speaker 2: worked up, and they're actually telling the truth, which I
Speaker 2: have a hard time, you know, I struggle with this
Speaker 2: kind of shit because I want to believe it, but
Speaker 2: also at the same time, it's still our government, and
Speaker 2: I know that they lie to us all the time,
Speaker 2: but then you ask other people, like that's the only
Speaker 2: source they do believe is a government kind of source.
Speaker 2: So who fucking knows what really is true anymore.
Speaker 3: But I think there's something to a lot of these
Speaker 3: events bro even even some of the stuff like you're
Speaker 3: talking about the tall whites, right, or maybe even this
Speaker 3: race from the north right, Like, uh, the reason why
Speaker 3: the Nazis had a base up there at the top
Speaker 3: of Greenland that they called Thule, it was because of
Speaker 3: this Tholey society, because they believed in Hyperborea. And one
Speaker 3: of the main guys who was preaching that, who the
Speaker 3: Nazis were listening to intently, was a guy named Carl Viligant.
Speaker 3: Carl Villigant believed that the Germans came from this aryan
Speaker 3: superman race that lived up there, and he believed that
Speaker 3: you know, it goes back thousands of years and that
Speaker 3: there was this was the land of the Neffelheim ice giants.
Speaker 3: And that's, of course that sounds just like Nephelum. So
Speaker 3: you can you can look at that, and then you
Speaker 3: can look at all the old maps of Hyperborea and stuff,
Speaker 3: and you start to see a picture and I'm not
Speaker 3: promoting this because it's what the Nazis believe. I'm promoting
Speaker 3: it because it's This is the reason why the Nazis
Speaker 3: believed this is because it predated them. This was in
Speaker 3: mythology already. They just took it and adopted it.
Speaker 2: I think about the the what were they called the
Speaker 2: Walkers North of the Wall and Game of the in
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones too, right, white walkers. Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: fucking ice giants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, giants I think are just a big
Speaker 3: part of the story in general that that we have
Speaker 3: to untangle, like all this history that we've been lied
Speaker 3: to about. I think the giants are are a big party.
Speaker 3: I think they're a big part of the American backstory
Speaker 3: in general. I mean back to some of the guys
Speaker 3: we talked about earlier, back to Washington. Washington recorded in
Speaker 3: his diary that he dug up two giants.
Speaker 4: Himself on his land.
Speaker 3: So Washington, uh no, I don't remember where it was.
Speaker 3: It may have been part of his land. But you know,
Speaker 3: he was all out looking at mounds. Like Washington was
Speaker 3: a surveyor. He knew this land.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: He was always on the lookout for stuff, and like
Speaker 3: he was he was mentally wrapped up in these mounds,
Speaker 3: like in the magic of them. So I think he
Speaker 3: probably just dug one up and he found some giants
Speaker 3: and he documented that. And you know, the same thing
Speaker 3: for Lincoln. Lincoln talked about going to Niagara Falls for
Speaker 3: the first time, and he was referencing giants. He was
Speaker 3: like Roman, he's looking at the falls and he's romanticizing,
Speaker 3: and he's like, Oh, I'm standing in the place where
Speaker 3: the ancient giants stood and looked at these falls. These
Speaker 3: guys knew about this stuff. They knew about this stuff,
Speaker 3: and I think I just think the giants are a
Speaker 3: huge part of this. I mean, I found an old
Speaker 3: article the other day and this was right outside of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: If this is some of the land that Washington surveyed,
Speaker 3: it's called Washington County today, and I think Washington chose
Speaker 3: that land for a good reason. You know, some of
Speaker 3: the oldest pet petroglyphs in the country are there. Uh.
Speaker 3: And I found this article on the Index shout out
Speaker 3: to the Index.
Speaker 2: Finds everything is so it says I always remember that.
Speaker 3: It says, uh, prehistoric giant bones found. That's the title
Speaker 3: of this article. And it goes on to talk about
Speaker 3: forty nine skeletons of an ancient race that they would
Speaker 3: tug them up, and they are giants and it's Washington
Speaker 3: County that touches Pittsburgh. Wow, And the giants had copper
Speaker 3: beads and copper bracelets what they found. Yeah, yeah, whoa.
Speaker 3: So you know, I mean, it all works together. Once
Speaker 3: you start studying this stuff, you really find out about
Speaker 3: the copper mines and everything else. It all just makes sense.
Speaker 2: So whenever we get into giants, though, I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people like to reference it back to the Nephlom,
Speaker 2: do you have any alternative theories as to what it
Speaker 2: could be if it's not Nehalem.
Speaker 4: And a knacky Oh well, I feel Anaki slash Nephelin
Speaker 4: are kind of the same thing in different terms.
Speaker 3: Here, right, I agree, And that's part of why I
Speaker 3: said that, And I mean, because I think there's many
Speaker 3: different ways you can look at the Niphilom story. My
Speaker 3: thing is, if you, I guess, for Sophie for some reason,
Speaker 3: do not want to go with the version found in scripture,
Speaker 3: you can find it in all the other mythologies, So
Speaker 3: you know, just pick whatever you want. To call it,
Speaker 3: you know, if that's an Anaki or whatever.
Speaker 4: You're on a something there all the other cultures around
Speaker 4: the world, there's a couple of I was just having
Speaker 4: this conversation the other day with my uncle. There's a
Speaker 4: few stories that no matter what area of the world
Speaker 4: you're talking, no matter what millennia you're talking, no matter
Speaker 4: what culture or language we're speaking on, they all have
Speaker 4: a few things that just seem to traverse. Right. For instance, vampires.
Speaker 4: Every culture and race has their version of a bloodsucking
Speaker 4: entity that lives all the blood of humans. Right, no
Speaker 4: matter where you go, every culture has a version of
Speaker 4: a dreas. Some of them are scaly winged beasts that
Speaker 4: breathe fire. Some of them are hairy, long snakes that
Speaker 4: run on rain't They all have their version of a dragon.
Speaker 4: They all have a version of a phoenix. They all
Speaker 4: have a version of a giant. They all have a
Speaker 4: version of the world flood. There's a few of these
Speaker 4: stories that they might put their own spin on it,
Speaker 4: but it's like everybody can agree that at least these
Speaker 4: things happened or were real at one point, because if
Speaker 4: they weren't, then how are all of these people talking
Speaker 4: about the exact same thing with maybe a few little
Speaker 4: details changed, but it's the same thing we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually found a list of what other you know,
Speaker 2: religions and mythologies would have called them or have called
Speaker 2: them in the past. So first off, you got the Norse,
Speaker 2: which they just called them. They called them joatnar or jotnar,
Speaker 2: which basically means frost giants.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ice giants, And that's the thing. Odin made a deal.
Speaker 4: He said that there would be no more ice giants.
Speaker 4: And I don't know about you looking around the world
Speaker 4: now see ice giants.
Speaker 2: I mean he held up is under the bargain.
Speaker 4: Then I don't say, if you want to get technical,
Speaker 4: that's because he had Loki have sex with a horse
Speaker 4: to you know, make the wall get built slower. That
Speaker 4: horse's baby was slept near the eight legged horse that
Speaker 4: he rode into battle later, which is why Santa Claus
Speaker 4: gets pulled by eight reindeer on his sleg. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of shit there, but continue, so sorry.
Speaker 2: Then you got the Greeks, which they called them Titans
Speaker 2: and gigantis. So the Titans were the primordial deities larger
Speaker 2: and more powerful than Olympians. Then in the in Hindu
Speaker 2: and Vedic culture, you have what is called the Da
Speaker 2: Das and the d Navas and rock rock sha Sasas.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to say that one, but basically
Speaker 2: they were giant like beings descended from ancient primordial beings.
Speaker 2: They often represented darkness or imbalance, but were not always evil.
Speaker 2: The rock Shasas are demon giants like Ravanna, the ten
Speaker 2: headed king of Lanka. Then you got the Native Americans,
Speaker 2: which you have the Cherokee, the Choctaw, the pi Utlier,
Speaker 2: and Uh. The Anglican also talk about it. So you
Speaker 2: have the the the Cherokee talking about a race of
Speaker 2: giant hairy men who lived in the woods and predated people.
Speaker 2: The Choctaw talked about the Nahulo, which is a race
Speaker 2: of white giants who once inhabited the land. The whatever
Speaker 2: the Paiute is what you said they talked. They talked
Speaker 2: about the Uh, the Siteca, which is red haired, cannibalistic
Speaker 2: giants who lived in caves. Then you got the Algonquin
Speaker 2: that had stories of windigo spirits, often depicted as giant,
Speaker 2: ravenous beings. Then you get into the Celtic Uh lore.
Speaker 2: They talk about the Fomorians, which were a race of
Speaker 2: monstrous giants who battled the uh tauthiddaya non. I always
Speaker 2: fucked that one up.
Speaker 4: You're you're close on that one. Fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then you have of course Gog Magog, which is a
Speaker 2: giant defeated by Brutus of Troy. Then you have Brand
Speaker 2: the Blessed that's in Welsh myth. Then you have Sumerian
Speaker 2: and Mesopotamian. Obviously with the uh Abkulo and Ananaki, Zoroastrian
Speaker 2: talks talked about them.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: They were often described as huge, They were called divs
Speaker 2: or devas. They were often described as huge, malevolent beings
Speaker 2: who opposed her Amaz disorder, and some some texts say
Speaker 2: that these giants roamed the world before coming uh, before
Speaker 2: the coming of righteous humans. Then you have Polynesian, uh, Chinese, African,
Speaker 2: the Aztecs. Literally, dude, so many different cultures talked about giants.
Speaker 4: I said, all of them talk about a few things.
Speaker 4: Giants are one of those things. No matter where you love,
Speaker 4: they got a story about them. Dragons are another one, Vampires,
Speaker 4: phoenix is a global flood. There's a few of these
Speaker 4: stories that honestly, it don't matter where you look, they
Speaker 4: got a story about them.
Speaker 3: And over here, specifically in the Americas, we're in such
Speaker 3: a racially charged environment today that there's an aspect of
Speaker 3: this that I think people do not want to bring up,
Speaker 3: even people who are down with the giants, and that
Speaker 3: is you said it earlier, the white giants, right, because
Speaker 3: you know, but the problem is, well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with the white giants because
Speaker 3: the Native Americans themselves had are the ones telling us
Speaker 3: that they were here. If you look at what Chief
Speaker 3: Rolling Thunder said in the late eighteen fifties, he said
Speaker 3: there was a race of ten foot tall white men
Speaker 3: who ruled and built many fortifications in early America. Aka
Speaker 3: are star forars fellows that we're talking about, Oh, earthworks
Speaker 3: and forts that would become our Cincinnati, our Pittsburgh, are Manhattan,
Speaker 3: Saint Louis, et cetera. There is a myth that a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys were not only giants, but they
Speaker 3: were light skinned. I don't think they were all white skin.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the red hair Giant two, you know, that's.
Speaker 3: That's what the PIU. So this this is a story
Speaker 3: that lines up with all the tribes from New England
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma to California. It's the same story. It's like
Speaker 3: you said, the Piu Indians, they said they were ten
Speaker 3: foot tall, redheaded giants called the Citica.
Speaker 4: Now, let me ask you this because we've done a
Speaker 4: couple of episodes talking about and let's talk about, like
Speaker 4: you said, the racially charged motives on this one. Right, Okay,
Speaker 4: Once upon a gap, they said that the Aztecs could
Speaker 4: not have built these pyramids because they're not white. There's
Speaker 4: no way they could have built these pyramids, and it
Speaker 4: had to have been done by white people. This must
Speaker 4: be Atlantis that Plato's talking about, bo bo bop, all
Speaker 4: the things. Okay, cool. Then cut to today where it's like, bro,
Speaker 4: you're telling me they couldn't perfect what we would now
Speaker 4: call the pile, like a pile of bricks. They couldn't
Speaker 4: make that into a disseminating shape, each level a little
Speaker 4: bit less than the other one to make a pyramid.
Speaker 4: And so they took it as racists writing down the
Speaker 4: books to say that these these indige, these savages, clearly
Speaker 4: couldn't figure out how to make a pyramid. This must
Speaker 4: have been done by white people. Right now, we're talking
Speaker 4: about these giants. We're talking about quote unquote mythical beings
Speaker 4: quote unquote. We don't know if they were real or not. Now,
Speaker 4: we all believed that the giants were real. I'm with
Speaker 4: you one hundred percent. But now to say that they
Speaker 4: were white giants. Are you saying that the local native
Speaker 4: the Indidge tribes were uncapable of building these things because
Speaker 4: they didn't know how to or are you saying that
Speaker 4: they had to have been built by giants because they're
Speaker 4: the only ones that would have granted them the knowledge
Speaker 4: in order to do so. They could have That's a
Speaker 4: slippery slope in in of itself.
Speaker 2: They could have just not been as physically gifted to
Speaker 2: be able to move these and make these type of monuments.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that the original mound builders because we
Speaker 3: know they were working with some advanced technology. You know,
Speaker 3: they were using trigonometry, They had great knowledge of the stars,
Speaker 3: they knew their arts and sciences. Whatever race they were
Speaker 3: is irrelevant to me. But what But by studying this,
Speaker 3: what I've gleaned is that they were giants or there
Speaker 3: were giants in their ranks because they buried them inside
Speaker 3: the mounds. And then I just look at the native
Speaker 3: American legends of this, and the Native Americans are the
Speaker 3: ones saying predominantly, they're the ones saying that they were white,
Speaker 3: you know, or light skin. And then and I also
Speaker 3: look at the Middle East, and I know that there's
Speaker 3: light skin people in the Middle East, and specifically, one
Speaker 3: of the branches of ancient people who had light skin
Speaker 3: that came out of the Middle East were the Canaanite Heights.
Speaker 3: The Canaanites ended up in the Canary Islands there as
Speaker 3: soon it's became the Guanches, and the Guanches were a
Speaker 3: light skinned people. And we know that where the Canary
Speaker 3: Islands are today, there is a natural stream in an
Speaker 3: ocean stream, an ocean current that goes all the way
Speaker 3: down and comes straight here, like it comes straight here
Speaker 3: to the America. So the Canaanites could have just hopped
Speaker 3: on a boat and been guided by the ocean itself here.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: So, guys, there's the Susquehannock Indians who were said to
Speaker 3: be light skinned as well. They had light skin and
Speaker 3: light eyes. But I don't think they were white. I
Speaker 3: think that they were they were a mix of giants
Speaker 3: and Native Americans.
Speaker 4: Now I've heard this as far as the trade winds go, like, uh,
Speaker 4: you could look at ancient Mayan ancient Incan statues, and
Speaker 4: these statues have discernibly African looking features. Right now, if
Speaker 4: you look at the trade winds off of the westernmost
Speaker 4: coast of Africa, if you put in a boat on
Speaker 4: the west coast of Africa and it's kind of give
Speaker 4: it a good little nudge without any real navigation, you
Speaker 4: will accidentally end up in South America. Right That's that's
Speaker 4: how the Coriolis effect goes, that's how the currents go,
Speaker 4: that's how the trade winds go. You'll just end up there.
Speaker 4: So you're saying that there is a similar path to
Speaker 4: be taken from Europe to North America.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And if you just it's it's right there with
Speaker 3: that Iberia, you know, because Spain is Iberia.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, the Iberian Peninsula, Spain and Portugal.
Speaker 3: Yep, it's so it's right there. It's that it's that
Speaker 3: northernmost tip of of Africa where right there you have
Speaker 3: the Canary Islands or the bottom of Spain, the westernmost
Speaker 3: tip of Spain. And that's why with I believe, like
Speaker 3: with with that big mound in West Virginia, I was
Speaker 3: talking about where they pulled out the Grave Creek tablet
Speaker 3: that had Iberian on it, Iberian Phoenician. I think that's
Speaker 3: because those people jumped off the tip of Iberia and
Speaker 3: came here, and you think the Canaanites were doing the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 2: You know, just out of my own curiosity, I was like,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: They were somewhat light skinned, you know some of these
Speaker 3: people were.
Speaker 4: I mean, so is Egypt. For the record, everybody thinks
Speaker 4: egypt being in Africa means they were black. No, Egyptians
Speaker 4: are not black. I'm sorry. Find me in Ethiopian that
Speaker 4: looks like somebody from the Congo. Like, Africa is a
Speaker 4: whole ass continent with all of the shades inside. Egyptians
Speaker 4: look more light skinned Arab than they do Subsaharin. So
Speaker 4: I'm with you hundred yeah.
Speaker 3: And I had a roommate who is he's still a
Speaker 3: friend of mine. He is Egyptian, and he's light skinned,
Speaker 3: and he's got light eyes.
Speaker 4: Bro. He probably looks olive, complexy with a little bit
Speaker 4: of some Afro hair with hazel eyes. If I had
Speaker 4: to guess, I've never met this guy. But in my
Speaker 4: about one point.
Speaker 3: You're almost on point with it, Oh my god. But
Speaker 3: the maybe his eyes are like a very light hazel,
Speaker 3: So yeah, you're a point all the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy. Also, Italians, I know, is gonna blow
Speaker 4: people's fucking minds here. Italians are blonde hair and blue
Speaker 4: eyed Sicilians because of the Moors have the dark hair
Speaker 4: and dark eyes and the olive complexion. Romans and those
Speaker 4: of Tuscany and all that blonde headed, blue eyed German
Speaker 4: looking motherfucker is historically speaking, I know that's gonna piss
Speaker 4: people off.
Speaker 2: Like you, we are like yours truly a little bit,
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 4: A little bit, dude, honestly, Julius Caesar blonde headed, blue eyed,
Speaker 4: I know it's wild. Cleopatra redheaded, I know it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean Cleopatra the ninth, not Cleopatra the first. That's
Speaker 4: a talk for another day. That toolemac Empire.
Speaker 2: Anyway, moving on, I always say that I would have been,
Speaker 2: you know, one of Hitler's favorite kinds. I just want
Speaker 2: to throw that one out there, but just out of curiosity,
Speaker 2: since we're getting super weird here, we're talking about giants
Speaker 2: and shit, and I know that this is a heavily
Speaker 2: debated topic. But we would be remissed if we didn't
Speaker 2: talk about the Atlanta here. Okay, okay, no, I whatever
Speaker 2: you just got excited about. I want to hear that.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to save the Smithsonian.
Speaker 4: I could have swore do that too.
Speaker 3: No, but what did you? Let's do both? What did
Speaker 3: you say? Do you say the Atlanteans?
Speaker 2: The Atlanteans? Yeah, so just out of curiosity, I never
Speaker 2: really looked into how tall they were, like, you know,
Speaker 2: as far as what people say about them. But you
Speaker 2: have within theosophy, you have Rudolph Steiner and Helena Blovotsky.
Speaker 2: Within theosophy, they say, and this is where you got
Speaker 2: to pull it from, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot left about this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But within theosophy they claimed that they were As far
Speaker 2: as the Atlanteans go, they claimed that they were twelve
Speaker 2: to thirty plus feet not some big motherfuckers right there.
Speaker 2: Then you got Edgar Casey, another kind of spiritualist in
Speaker 2: a sense, right, like I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't like that, but he believes that they were eight
Speaker 2: to twelve feet tall. Then you have the ancient aliens.
Speaker 2: They what they believe in you know, as far as
Speaker 2: fringe topics like that they believe that they were ten
Speaker 2: to twenty feet tall. Then you have Plato, my homeboy,
Speaker 2: who he didn't necessarily describe a height given but described
Speaker 2: them as godlike and powerful. So I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: lot of people saying that these beings or entities or
Speaker 2: aliens or whatever, the original people of Earth or whatever
Speaker 2: they were, like were huge. And I know that I
Speaker 2: find a good source on Atlantis, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: find a good one that is very well documented. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna find it, Like that's why you have to
Speaker 2: go here.
Speaker 3: Can I say something about Bolvavski and I don't promote
Speaker 3: Bolvaski and you do I and I'm but I also.
Speaker 4: Most of her ship came from a fucking astra projection
Speaker 4: or a story that never actually well.
Speaker 2: Hold on Helena Bovotsky, like, she was a pioneer of
Speaker 2: her time. She was one of the first people. She
Speaker 2: was one of the very first people.
Speaker 3: She's I don't think that she needs to be And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this is what you're doing, Jacob. I'm
Speaker 3: saying that a lot of people out there demonize her
Speaker 3: to the furthest extent that somebody can be demonized.
Speaker 4: Called her grifter, not demon.
Speaker 2: She brought over all of the Eastern spiritual and philosophical
Speaker 2: teachings to the West.
Speaker 4: Look at the story of where she got that Eastern philosophy,
Speaker 4: the guy that she met that gave her this journey,
Speaker 4: even though she never fucking went there herself. Like you
Speaker 4: do your own research on she said.
Speaker 3: She had ascended masters, and nobody knows if they were
Speaker 3: real or or figments or real they were spirits.
Speaker 4: But it's like the guy that said he saw the
Speaker 4: tablets under the pyramids, even though he never went to Egypt, Like, well,
Speaker 4: I see see.
Speaker 3: I think some of these people actually were channeling personally.
Speaker 4: Yes, some I don't think Blovotsky was. Some might have been.
Speaker 3: I think Casey Casey, some of his stuff was proven.
Speaker 2: Casey was on some ship, dude, and so and and
Speaker 2: I know this is gonna be heavy, heavily debated topic
Speaker 2: as well. I think Maury's Doriel was on some fucking ship.
Speaker 2: But that's just my own Oh of God.
Speaker 4: Jonathan, the cult leader whose ex wife and everybody who
Speaker 4: left his colt said this guy is full of shit.
Speaker 4: Don't listen to him.
Speaker 2: Did you ever read the book?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the story of tot the Atlantean, even though Toad
Speaker 4: himself hold on and his parentage, the whole thing with
Speaker 4: the Egyptian, like his birthright, who his father was, where
Speaker 4: he came from, goes completely against everything Driel said.
Speaker 2: Okay, but did you ever read the book? Is my question?
Speaker 4: Not the entirety of it. Why would I because shit,
Speaker 4: as soon as you find out where she got it from, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, well, Jacob hates any spiritual philosophy that isn't
Speaker 2: Christian and it's all faking. Okay, but not.
Speaker 4: All, not all. There are some that like. Okay, if
Speaker 4: you went to the site and you learned from some
Speaker 4: sort of person who claimed to be for instance, if
Speaker 4: you go to India and you learn from a yogi
Speaker 4: who was taught from an ancient source of a yogi, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm listening to you. I may disagree with some of
Speaker 4: the things you say, but I'm listening. If you say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I went here and they gave me this title and
Speaker 4: it's this one guy, but you will know about it
Speaker 4: because you've never heard of it before. And then you
Speaker 4: do a little bit of research into it and you
Speaker 4: find that none of that actually exists. It's completely faking gay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well hold on though, because even within the CIA back
Speaker 2: in the eighties, they were doing fucking remote viewing. That's
Speaker 2: very well documented in conversation. They're still doing it to
Speaker 2: this day, by the way.
Speaker 4: Sure sure yeah, the remote viewing that was audited by
Speaker 4: themselves to find that they were ninety eight percent accurate.
Speaker 4: That's like the IRS saying the IRS has never done
Speaker 4: anything wrong. They audit themselves. Bro, good shit.
Speaker 2: You just don't even try to believe. You just automatically
Speaker 2: fed here, Jonathan, Dude. Fed you're saying that you don't
Speaker 2: believe in anything like crazy spiritually miracle or anything outside
Speaker 2: of that. If it's not just from your religion, and
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with.
Speaker 4: That, take religion out of it. Test the source. Fuck
Speaker 4: religion for a second. Fuck all religious books. Test the
Speaker 4: validity of the source, and if it's based in any
Speaker 4: kind of bullshit, and if it doesn't pass level one
Speaker 4: through three of the bullshit cipher, than like, dude, do
Speaker 4: your own reset.
Speaker 2: This is this is how you get me in Jacob
Speaker 2: worked up. Is my going into these topics. This is
Speaker 2: like historically, anybody, like on some real ship. Anybody wants
Speaker 2: to go back and look at ourth the Atlantean episode
Speaker 2: from like two years ago. We were about to throw
Speaker 2: the fuck down in that episode, dude, because.
Speaker 4: You were quoting Billy Carson. Look at where he is today.
Speaker 4: I mean, holy fuck, bro.
Speaker 2: Oh why I was mainly quoting Burray's story. Ell, But
Speaker 2: that's that's besides the point.
Speaker 4: Billy Carson quotes a lot. That's my point.
Speaker 2: Anyway, continue, I would love to hear what you have
Speaker 2: to say before Jacob gets his fucking panties and even
Speaker 2: more and a bunch over there.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to say, I want to.
Speaker 3: I want to approach this diplomatically here as diplomatically as
Speaker 3: I can because I'm on the fence about Levaski. So
Speaker 3: what I'm about to say is not like a promotion
Speaker 3: of hers. I do think that. So before she put out,
Speaker 3: before she poshed her first book, she had went around
Speaker 3: the world three times. She she did spend time in
Speaker 3: India in a lot of these places, so she did
Speaker 3: have when you look into her, she traveled and everywhere
Speaker 3: she went she went to the esoteric hub of the region.
Speaker 3: She went in an otherwise. In other words, she went
Speaker 3: wherever she went just to learn the spiritual and mystic
Speaker 3: traditions of the place. So I'd be remiss to say
Speaker 3: that she didn't know you know, a couple a thing
Speaker 3: or two.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 3: I know that there's okay, for instance, with with with
Speaker 3: isis unveil, because I looked into that that book a
Speaker 3: little bit and she had a three hundred page citation
Speaker 3: like section for that where she did cite her sources.
Speaker 3: And she's been labeled as a fraud and as a plagiarist.
Speaker 3: But you know, frauds don't usually put three hundred pages
Speaker 3: of citations and you know all that with their work.
Speaker 3: So there's she's not a complete no frouds in my opinion.
Speaker 3: And I know we weren't really staying that. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying that to other people there will say that.
Speaker 4: I say that she believes what she was saying, for sure,
Speaker 4: But if you look at the title of the guy
Speaker 4: who she spoke to, that's not a title of anybody
Speaker 4: that actually exists. So I think that she was taken
Speaker 4: for a ride by a charlatan, came back and wrote
Speaker 4: down what that charlatan told her, Like I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that she herself is like in you know, purposely leading
Speaker 4: people astray. I think she was duped and then wrote
Speaker 4: down what the duperrie was.
Speaker 2: Well, now you're backtracking a little bit, because you just
Speaker 2: whenever he said that she traveled around the world, you
Speaker 2: went in quotes, so like, I didn't even believe that.
Speaker 4: You travel around the world. She traveled to us spot
Speaker 4: one time.
Speaker 3: So could it be a situation like, for instance, like this,
Speaker 3: this is a Dweller on two Planets by Frederick Oliver.
Speaker 3: But Frederick Oller said that he was dictated this book
Speaker 3: by a nantity named Philos and this is all about Atlantis,
Speaker 3: the actual Atlantean or purportedly about Atlantis. This was like
Speaker 3: a fifteen or sixteen year old kid in early Frontier
Speaker 3: Oregon or California who wrote a whole book that was
Speaker 3: channeled to him. Now could it be something like that
Speaker 3: with Bolvaski where she was given some truth in her channels?
Speaker 4: I hear you, But then I would also question the
Speaker 4: validity of a sixteen year old kid that had a
Speaker 4: crazy dreamy and wrote it down on the same way
Speaker 4: that Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith found these gold tablets and
Speaker 4: looked through a moon rock, and now we have the
Speaker 4: Church of Latter day Saints that fully believe everything he said.
Speaker 4: I would question the validity of that very heavily. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And if we're gonna call one thing a cult and
Speaker 4: not the other, then like where are we drawing that line? Oh?
Speaker 2: I agree wholeheartedly with religion in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think we agree with on this maybe. Uh,
Speaker 3: the Smithsonian came out in what was it, nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 3: and so the giants weren't real. I have a major
Speaker 3: problem with that, big Yeah, I have a major problem
Speaker 3: with that. I think it's clear to me after a
Speaker 3: lot of research that they really were giants. The government
Speaker 3: does what the government does, like they did in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: They lie to us about everything. And that's why I'm
Speaker 3: so fascinated with these organizations like the Cosmos Club and
Speaker 3: the Society of the Cincinnati, because it was the Society
Speaker 3: of the Cincinnati who helped start the Smithsonian. Jefferson Davis
Speaker 3: was a part of that, and you know it, just
Speaker 3: like I said, this goes straight to the top. Washington
Speaker 3: himself was a part of the Society of the Cincinnati
Speaker 3: of course, so thus he was a part of the
Speaker 3: creation of the Smithsonian. And then what you see is
Speaker 3: later about thirty years later, this guy named John Wesley
Speaker 3: Powell comes on the scene and he starts carrying this
Speaker 3: torch of rewriting history. He works for the Smithsonian. That's
Speaker 3: the reason why I was talking about the Cosmos Club.
Speaker 3: John Wesley Pals started the Cosmos Club. So he had
Speaker 3: this this full backing of all these very rich and
Speaker 3: powerful people in his club who helped him facilitate a
Speaker 3: cover up. And I think I can damn near prove
Speaker 3: it at this point.
Speaker 4: So yeah, break down the Cosmos Club for us. We've
Speaker 4: heard you mentioned the Cincinnati Club a few times this
Speaker 4: evening and all the things, not negating at whatsoever the
Speaker 4: Cosmos Club. Is this the same thing, different title, or
Speaker 4: is this a completely different club that they kind of
Speaker 4: unified later? What is the Cosmos Club?
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's You can look up the Cosmos Club
Speaker 3: on Google actually, and you'll see that their headquarters is
Speaker 3: still there today. It looks like a crazy like X
Speaker 3: Men headquarter. It looks like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy old mansion.
Speaker 4: I love that movie.
Speaker 3: And so it's still there, and we know, I think
Speaker 3: I mentioned this earlier. It's right across the street from
Speaker 3: the headquarters of the Society of Cincinnati. Bingo, there it is,
Speaker 3: and so there was. These guys were Kolo. The third
Speaker 3: neighbors across the street is Washington and Co. Those these
Speaker 3: boys knew each other right now, What this is is
Speaker 3: a club of very powerful men in every facet of
Speaker 3: government and even more, and and academia as well. Actually,
Speaker 3: I got a list here somewhere. I'll just I'll show
Speaker 3: you some of so, Okay, here we go. I got
Speaker 3: on my phone here COSMOS members. This will give you
Speaker 3: a good view into this. They're all also pretty much
Speaker 3: in fields of studying that pertain to archaeological finds as well.
Speaker 3: So in addition to Powell, right, you have Henry Gannett.
Speaker 3: He's from Harvard. He's called the father of matt Making
Speaker 3: in America. He founded the National Geographic Society and the
Speaker 3: American Association of Geographers. You have Claire's Dunton. He's from Yale.
Speaker 3: Is a Yell dude. He worked for Pale as well
Speaker 3: and the US Geological Survey. You have a guy named
Speaker 3: Gerrick Mallory, also a Yale guy. He was an expert
Speaker 3: on rock art, pictographs, and picture writing. He's a very
Speaker 3: interesting one, but I'll keep going here. He was in
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Shakespeare Society and the Bureau of Ethnology, and
Speaker 3: the American Philosophical Society. You have Theodore Gill. This guy's
Speaker 3: a part of the Cosmos Club as well. He's the
Speaker 3: librarian of the Smithsonian. He's also, you know, associated with
Speaker 3: the Library of Congress in the American Philosophical Society. You
Speaker 3: have Henry Smith Pickett, who was the president of.
Speaker 4: Mi I T.
Speaker 3: He was involved with the Navy and a bunch of
Speaker 3: these other Carnegie stuff. You have William Harkness, he was
Speaker 3: an astronomer. He was the president for the American Association
Speaker 3: for the Advancement of Science.
Speaker 4: You have.
Speaker 3: The librarian at West Point who was an astronomer, Edward Holden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, real quick, I do you want to bring this out?
Speaker 4: The logo of the Cosmos Club founded eighteen seventy eight,
Speaker 4: Just so everyone's clear. It's a fucking globe. They've known
Speaker 4: about it for quite some time since ancient Greece. I
Speaker 4: know some people will say, well, the history books in
Speaker 4: the nineteen twenties didn't have it as a look yeah,
Speaker 4: eighteen seventy eight, America new it was a globe. But anyway,
Speaker 4: moving on, I'll.
Speaker 3: Just I'll keep it brief here and I'll give you
Speaker 3: just a couple more names here. I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: paint this picture of who these guys were. You also
Speaker 3: had Frederick Endlich. He was kind of like a serious
Speaker 3: German dude who worked for the Smithsonian. We do know
Speaker 3: that about him. You had the president of Columbia University
Speaker 3: who was a co founder of the National Geographic Society
Speaker 3: named James Clark Welling was a part of it. These
Speaker 3: are all these guys are the founding members of this
Speaker 3: alongside Powell. By the way, these are the guys that
Speaker 3: he handpicked to start this with him. You had the
Speaker 3: first curator of the Smithsonian and assistant Secretary of the
Speaker 3: Smithsonian named Spencer Fullerton Bard. He's a part of this.
Speaker 3: You had a very interesting character named Emil Bessel's another
Speaker 3: strange German guy. He's a German royal who became a
Speaker 3: Smithsonian scientist, and he actually killed a guy on an
Speaker 3: expedition to the North Pole. So he's kind of shady.
Speaker 3: But so you see, these guys are all associated with
Speaker 3: government they're associated with these government type organizations, and they're
Speaker 3: associated with the Smithsonian. So this is a powerful group
Speaker 3: of people. That's these are your founding members of the
Speaker 3: Cosmos Club. So it was easy for them to sort
Speaker 3: of influence and steer the narrative in my opinion because
Speaker 3: of who they were.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're right in the history.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And I mean Powe himself who spearheads this though.
Speaker 3: He becomes the first director of the Bureau of Ethnology
Speaker 3: at the Smithsonian. So this is a little branch, this
Speaker 3: is a little section of the Smithsonian. They it's almost
Speaker 3: like they built just for him, almost the Bureau of
Speaker 3: Ethnology's purpose. Now, these guys are the ones who I'm
Speaker 3: telling you who facilitated this cover up right there. Sort
Speaker 3: of deal was that they were to transfer records and
Speaker 3: artifacts and materials relating to the Native Americans to the Department,
Speaker 3: from the Department of the Interior to the Smithsonian. So
Speaker 3: they create the Bureau of Ethnology to sort of get
Speaker 3: this stuff, all these artifacts, all this proof in in
Speaker 3: the in the housing of the Smithsonian Institution where we
Speaker 3: know it's like the Vatican down there. They and once
Speaker 3: it goes in there, it's locked up, it's you'll never
Speaker 3: see it again. So Pale is the guy who spearheaded this.
Speaker 3: And and like when it comes to giants, there's a
Speaker 3: there's a really interesting case. It's one of many. It's
Speaker 3: called the the West Point Giant Case. It's it's uh
Speaker 3: Arkansas is what it's from. And it was it was
Speaker 3: the Bureau of Ethnology who showed up in the late
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds and took these giant bones that these people
Speaker 3: found in Arkansas. The river flooded one day and washed
Speaker 3: up part of the bank, and these people found giant
Speaker 3: bones there and they you know, I were talking about
Speaker 3: skulls three times in size of humans, of us, of
Speaker 3: normal humans, and like jawbones that you could pick up
Speaker 3: and put over your entire head. So and it was
Speaker 3: the Bureau of Ethnology who shows up and took that.
Speaker 3: So and that's just you know, we've all heard the stories.
Speaker 3: That's just one of many stories of how these guys
Speaker 3: the Smithsonian kind of operated. There's another cool case I
Speaker 3: was looking at. It's called the Salk Rapids, Minnesota Giant Case,
Speaker 3: also late eighteen hundreds. Basically, these guys were building the
Speaker 3: dam and they found an eleven foot giant in granite,
Speaker 3: like a like a granite coffin or something. Now, what
Speaker 3: they did was they the government sent in a guy
Speaker 3: named General Thomas at night by train and he took
Speaker 3: those bones in the middle of the night. Now, while
Speaker 3: I don't know that that was the Smithsonian, I suspect
Speaker 3: it was the Union Civil War General Henry Thomas, who
Speaker 3: was like a part of the Department of Cumberland in
Speaker 3: Kentucky and Tennessee. And I think that's telling for several
Speaker 3: reasons for his for what he did, because he's someone
Speaker 3: who could follow orders. He's someone who he's like a
Speaker 3: hot shot government guy like the rest of these Cosmos
Speaker 3: Club guys. And he worked in an area right on
Speaker 3: the banks of the Cumberland where we know a ton
Speaker 3: of giants were found and stuff like that. So they
Speaker 3: the government was using guys like this, right, you know,
Speaker 3: you send in, you send in a respected general in
Speaker 3: this case, and nobody's going to tell him though. He
Speaker 3: comes in the middle of the knights, he gets the
Speaker 3: bones and boom poof. You never see this.
Speaker 2: Stuff again, Oh dude, Like, look at this nine hundred
Speaker 2: pound ten foot giant Neanderthal once row, Minnesota, so it
Speaker 2: says the gigantic skeleton. A Michigan paper reports the discovery
Speaker 2: of a gigantic human in a rock near this sock rapids.
Speaker 2: It says, in quotes, the head is massive, thirty one
Speaker 2: and a half inches in circumference. It is low in
Speaker 2: the front and very flat on the top. The femur
Speaker 2: measures measures twenty six and a quarter inches, and the
Speaker 2: fibula twenty six and a half inches, while the body
Speaker 2: is equally long in proportion. From the crown of the
Speaker 2: head to the sole of the foot, the length is
Speaker 2: ten feet nine and a half inches. The measure around
Speaker 2: the chest is fifty nine and a half inches. This
Speaker 2: giant must have weighed at least nine hundred pounds. When
Speaker 2: covered with a reasonable amount of flesh. The petrified remains,
Speaker 2: and there is nothing left but the naked bones. Now dude.
Speaker 2: The bones weigh three hundred and four pounds. Holy shit,
Speaker 2: it says. The thumb and fingers of the left hand
Speaker 2: and the left foot from the angle to the toes
Speaker 2: are gone, but all of the other parts are perfect. Verily,
Speaker 2: there were giants in those days. This was in eighteen
Speaker 2: eighty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think that Powell or somebody
Speaker 3: at the Smithsonian sent this general out there to confiscate
Speaker 3: this one. That's that's what I've gathered from that, because
Speaker 3: you know, the thing is is like we've talked about
Speaker 3: two stories here, right, but there's so many more of
Speaker 3: these type of stories. And so I mean I looked
Speaker 3: in the pal some more because I wanted to get
Speaker 3: a feel for him, and like, I do not have
Speaker 3: much respect for this guy, but I'll just I'll just
Speaker 3: tell you what it is. Like, you know, he was
Speaker 3: influenced by a guy named Lewis Henry Morgan, who was
Speaker 3: the president of the American Association of Advanced Science in
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty. He Powell looked up to this guy, and
Speaker 3: this guy was a straight up contemporary Karl Marx and
Speaker 3: Darwin and Freud.
Speaker 2: Oh so that's.
Speaker 3: An indication to me where Powell's head was. I think
Speaker 3: he was he was very into Darwinism, I know that,
Speaker 3: and I think he was also into Marxism, and I
Speaker 3: think that those two things are excessively flawed personally.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean allegedly Charles Darwin like pulled it
Speaker 2: all that all that back. He said that, you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't believe that humans came from monkeys, like on
Speaker 2: his deathbed. I don't know if that's a true story
Speaker 2: or not, but that's what they say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a story I heard as well. So
Speaker 3: this is and this is an interesting case too. This
Speaker 3: this is in eighteen eighty, right, and you're seeing the
Speaker 3: advancement of the idea and the concept of Darwinism seeping into,
Speaker 3: you know, seeping in and getting an even tighter stranglehold
Speaker 3: on our nation. People in the government are starting to
Speaker 3: allow Darwinism to come in and be the main narrative.
Speaker 3: And I think that that's interesting, an interesting element to
Speaker 3: this case. Like, you know, it's like, how did we
Speaker 3: get here with like national geographic documentaries where you're just
Speaker 3: pounded with like millions of years and coming from apes
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. Well, it was just the theory
Speaker 3: at one point. And I you know, if people want
Speaker 3: to believe in evolution and all that, that's fine, but
Speaker 3: I need you to know that it was pumped into
Speaker 3: your education system by elites. This is what they want
Speaker 3: you to believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, So, I mean, why isn't.
Speaker 3: Mean to go down that rabbit hole? But that's just how.
Speaker 4: Dude, If that's true when we all came from monkeys,
Speaker 4: then how do we still have monkeys? Were they the
Speaker 4: down syndrome and retarded monkeys back in the day that
Speaker 4: just didn't make the evolutionary jump or is there something extra?
Speaker 4: I can agree with evolution to the sense of adaptation, right,
Speaker 4: change if you will, some skin tone, some eye color,
Speaker 4: some hair color, all these things, but the same genome
Speaker 4: of speed. To say that the chihuahua is a descendant
Speaker 4: from the wolf, Okay, they're both canines. I could at
Speaker 4: least understand the thought process here to say that human
Speaker 4: beings came from monkeys as always before I even before
Speaker 4: you even put the religious aspect on it. That sounds
Speaker 4: so preposterous it's almost insulting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, then there's the stoned ape, the
Speaker 2: stoned ape theory, which I find at least interesting. You
Speaker 2: know that maybe some apes or some monkeys or whatever
Speaker 2: just stumbled across some mushrooms and bang, you know, sentience
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 4: Right, But we've given mushrooms to monkeys since then, and
Speaker 4: they don't like develop learning, they die and they move on,
Speaker 4: and their descendants are just as much monkeys as they were.
Speaker 4: We have. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The type of Darwinism that these guys were pushing was
Speaker 3: almost like a neo religion, void of saints and divine
Speaker 3: yes entities. This was a new This was like a
Speaker 3: secular religion. That's what they liked about this.
Speaker 4: It was the religion of science quote unquote yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, like what I found here that I
Speaker 3: think is just a major smoking gun is this eighteen
Speaker 3: eighty report that Powell wrote in eighteen eighty. He sends
Speaker 3: this report to the secretary of the Smithsonian. This is
Speaker 3: basically like his boss or his contemporary. And so Powell
Speaker 3: lays out a lot of stuff here that I disagree with.
Speaker 3: And he starts by calling the Native Americans uncultured savages
Speaker 3: that lack higher intelligence. And he also said he wouldn't
Speaker 3: stand for any proof of lost tribes being over here.
Speaker 3: He says that he was not going to allow the
Speaker 3: dating of things earlier than the landing of Columbus in
Speaker 3: the New World.
Speaker 4: But see, that's the thing, dude, And I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 4: with anything you're saying. By the way, the racism goes
Speaker 4: back even farther than that Platinus and Plutarch, even in
Speaker 4: ancient Rome. We're speaking about how sub Saharan Africans were
Speaker 4: savages that were incapable of taking care of themselves and
Speaker 4: this that, and third like overt racist ideologies to say
Speaker 4: that if they're black, there's no way they could build
Speaker 4: anything of worth. Plutinis Neoplatonism wrote about that. Plutarch and
Speaker 4: the first thing of what we might call an encyclopedia
Speaker 4: today wrote about that. That doesn't make it accurate or true.
Speaker 4: That shows the cultural racism of the day and age
Speaker 4: to where they were writing from. So I'm with you
Speaker 4: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got to think too, like part of
Speaker 3: the things that they're covering up here are these very
Speaker 3: intricate mounds that use trigonometry like.
Speaker 4: And advanced massacre geometry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these people weren't savages, like they were anything but
Speaker 3: that even the Cherokee were not savages. They had they
Speaker 3: built buildings and cities and had written language and et cetera.
Speaker 3: But so Pale says, you know, if it if it
Speaker 3: is dated before Columbus, Uh, they they would not connect
Speaker 3: the artifacts to the New World. Okay, how do I
Speaker 3: say this? This is this is tough, This is tough
Speaker 3: to put in the words. Basically, he's saying that if
Speaker 3: it's older than Columbus, they're just gonna throw it out.
Speaker 3: And he's saying that if if we found found article
Speaker 3: artifacts here that date before Columbus and they link up
Speaker 3: to other cultures around the world, they were gonna throw
Speaker 3: it out. They didn't want that linkage there.
Speaker 4: They can't be. They weren't white. How could they have
Speaker 4: that right? That was That's my point, dude, This is
Speaker 4: fucking absurd.
Speaker 3: This is what he said. He says the dispersements dispersement
Speaker 3: of Man was so long ago that it wasn't worth
Speaker 3: looking into for connections between cultures. So he says, there's
Speaker 3: no reason to look for the origins of lost tribes
Speaker 3: or any of the artifacts found in relation to mans
Speaker 3: or artifacts because it was so long ago. It doesn't
Speaker 3: even matter. It just doesn't even make sense. He's just
Speaker 3: finding a reason to cover this stuff. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: a rag I read this thing. It's it's a total
Speaker 3: rag man. I mean, he didn't write a report. He
Speaker 3: wrote a shifty book.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, like listening to the guy
Speaker 3: on the matrix in the white suit, right, the's overly verbos.
Speaker 3: He's just trying to sound intelligent, and it's just like,
Speaker 3: just just say what you want to say, man, just
Speaker 3: make it make sense. He's trying to Everything is overdone
Speaker 3: in this report and it's meant to sound intelligent and
Speaker 3: not to be questioned. So this guy's everything that's wrong
Speaker 3: with DC. And if you look in this report, like
Speaker 3: it's very dense, the language is very dense, it's very verbose,
Speaker 3: like I said, But what he's saying here is that
Speaker 3: things are going to be thrown out, things are going
Speaker 3: to be covered up, or things are just not going
Speaker 3: to be looked at if they don't fit a certain
Speaker 3: criteria because it lines right up with manifest destiny. They
Speaker 3: wanted the natives to be and the people who came
Speaker 3: before us to be savages. That way they could and
Speaker 3: an unintelligent and that way they could like justify taking
Speaker 3: their lands. Yeah, they didn't want us people looking at
Speaker 3: They didn't want we the people looking at these artifacts
Speaker 3: that some of them are power Hebrew, right, Like I
Speaker 3: think I mentioned that, like the grave, the Grave Creed,
Speaker 3: you know, the Back creekstone is Paleo Hebrew. And the
Speaker 3: Smithsonian itself found that and they had to call it
Speaker 3: a hoax later on because it doesn't fit their narrative, right.
Speaker 2: I almost wonder if it's you know, I'm I'm sure
Speaker 2: with with the racist kind of ideology for sure, Like
Speaker 2: that's you know, obviously not good. But I think that
Speaker 2: it's it goes even beyond that, dude, I think that
Speaker 2: it's classism more than anything else. Like you got to
Speaker 2: think these people, they think that they're so intelligent, they
Speaker 2: have so much power, they have so much wealth, they
Speaker 2: have so much pool in everything, and everybody beneath them
Speaker 2: is is kind of the savage or or the class
Speaker 2: that is building up your economy or carrying out whatever
Speaker 2: it is that you're trying to, you know, build your
Speaker 2: city for I think that they look at the elite
Speaker 2: of the elite doesn't give a shit about what race
Speaker 2: you are. In my opinion, I think that they look
Speaker 2: at you. Are you poor? Can you contribute? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, I think that that's really what
Speaker 2: it is. I mean, especially nowadays. Back then, I would
Speaker 2: actually make the argument that was probably what was going
Speaker 2: on back then. I mean, maybe you can call it racism.
Speaker 2: But if you're looking if you're a if you're a
Speaker 2: white British guy, and you come over here, you know,
Speaker 2: back whenever allegedly, you know, America was founded or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're if you're just looking at
Speaker 2: the Indians and saying, oh, they're just stupid Indians, like
Speaker 2: they don't know shit, they're just you know, living in
Speaker 2: TV's and stuff. It makes me wonder if like they
Speaker 2: just thought of themselves so highly that it caused them
Speaker 2: to look at everybody else as beneath them in a sense.
Speaker 4: Blue bloods, yeah, one hundred percent. But I mean even
Speaker 4: that's what That's the thing though. Here in Africa, native
Speaker 4: tribes of far East Orient, Oh my god, they're so
Speaker 4: far removed from the blue blood conversation that's not even
Speaker 4: worth having, you know what I mean. That was a
Speaker 4: mixture of elitism and racism all into a big nasty
Speaker 4: pile that we would now call a colonialism or imperialism. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They wanted everything to be looked at as an empty
Speaker 3: valley before we came and built our magnificent cities. And
Speaker 3: as I'm kind of hopefully demonstrated today, that was not
Speaker 3: the case. Like the Pittsburgh was an ancient city, Manhattan, etc.
Speaker 3: Saint Louis. These were ancient cities. They weren't empty valleys Nashville.
Speaker 3: I could tell you all this crazy stuff I found
Speaker 3: in Nashville. There was an ancient civilization here. And I
Speaker 3: think once you see pal come on the scene in
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty, this starts to kind of coincide with the
Speaker 3: Industrial Revolution. And what does that do? Back to Jonathan's point,
Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution, And I think that this was part
Speaker 3: of the plan. It helps create a work class of workers,
Speaker 3: a class of just nine to five zombies exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean and look at the school system.
Speaker 2: That's what it's designed for, working class people. It wasn't
Speaker 2: designed for people who want to build businesses or you know,
Speaker 2: create inventions or be ever anything it lead to at all.
Speaker 2: It was never designed for that, you know. And I
Speaker 2: think it carries on to today. Like even with the
Speaker 2: schooling today, dude, it's so different from whenever we were
Speaker 2: back in school, but it's just as fucking dumb, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like I'm not gonna lie, I
Speaker 2: didn't really pay a whole lot of attention in high
Speaker 2: school or in school in general. I was more worried
Speaker 2: about football and chicks, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: it was. I don't know. I didn't find it very fascinating.
Speaker 2: I didn't find it very intriguing. And I think that
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: The stuff that is fascinating and intriguing was not told.
Speaker 2: To They took it out, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I imagine if we were taught this stuff
Speaker 3: in school. Man, this is awesome. Giants freaking trigonometry mounds
Speaker 3: like what like people talking to star people what exactly?
Speaker 3: It's great, giants like bigfoot, little people. Man, this was
Speaker 3: like Narnia over here. It was awesome. I mean, it
Speaker 3: may not have been awesome to live here and have
Speaker 3: to worry about warring tribes, but like the I don't
Speaker 3: know the legendary status. Man, the ground beneath our feet
Speaker 3: was so much more interesting than they've led us to believe.
Speaker 3: And I think it's important that we have a name
Speaker 3: for some of this stuff that because you know, everybody
Speaker 3: says it's Smithsonian cover up, Smithsonian cover up. I agree
Speaker 3: with that, but like we need to know a little
Speaker 3: bit more about that. And I think it's important to
Speaker 3: know about this guy, John Wesley Powell, because he's a
Speaker 3: big reason why you won't hear about the Native Americans
Speaker 3: who spoke Welsh or Hebrew or any of the other
Speaker 3: out of place artifacts that were found over here, even
Speaker 3: in the Grand Canyon. They sent Powle down the Grand
Speaker 3: Canyon and I think he found those whatever they were,
Speaker 3: possibly Egyptian temples.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, got a bunch of hieroglyphs and fucking giant
Speaker 2: doorways and stuff like that. And you're not even allowed
Speaker 2: to go and see a lot of the Grand Canyon. Dude.
Speaker 2: I went there. It was one of the most boring
Speaker 2: things I ever did, because you have to stay on
Speaker 2: one trail basically the entire time. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: cool to look at it, but you got to drive
Speaker 2: several hours to get there just to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: oh okay, you know what else, I like, I want
Speaker 2: to see something more like it's still a sight to see,
Speaker 2: but you know, I it's it would be a lot
Speaker 2: cooler if we can go down there.
Speaker 3: And I went there too, man, I'm with you, Like
Speaker 3: I just stood at the edge and just kind of
Speaker 3: looked over and that was it, you know. But even
Speaker 3: those sites where they let the tourists go, it's like
Speaker 3: there's you're not allowed to really go down in there.
Speaker 3: If you get lucky or I think if you pay
Speaker 3: for it, you could go down by donkey being led
Speaker 3: by a guide and you go down there and like
Speaker 3: circle back pretty quickly, they don't. You can't go into
Speaker 3: the This is like the Grandons, like almost like lataristically
Speaker 3: blocked off. You can't go in. You can't even fly
Speaker 3: in there. What are they hiding, right.
Speaker 2: They got to be hiding something due and.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to do the same with Greenland. Honestly,
Speaker 3: to circle back to that, I think that's why Trump
Speaker 3: might have some good reasons for want in Greenland. He
Speaker 3: actually might, but I think what's going to happen, And
Speaker 3: I think the reason why, like for instance, at the inauguration,
Speaker 3: all the big tech guys that were there right like
Speaker 3: like Musk, Bezos and Zuck all those guys, they've invested
Speaker 3: millions of dollars recently into Greenland, into these projects that
Speaker 3: sort of bank on us getting Greenland. And I think
Speaker 3: what they're going to do is they're going to remilitarize
Speaker 3: Greenland like Bird was talking about back in the fifties,
Speaker 3: and it's going to become like Antarctica where you just
Speaker 3: people can't go they block it off and the secrets
Speaker 3: are secrets forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there has canyon. It has to be
Speaker 2: something to it. And I think that the argument for
Speaker 2: extraterrestrials actually coming from this planet or plane or whatever
Speaker 2: you want to look at it as, I think it
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Extra terrain, extraterrestrial. Could they
Speaker 2: be coming from the outskirts wherever that may be. Could
Speaker 2: the world be a lot bigger than what they're telling
Speaker 2: us only the elites have access to be able to
Speaker 2: go anywhere beyond that. Uh and and also to space,
Speaker 2: like there was that whole Katie Perry bullshit with them
Speaker 2: going up in space like that was a joke. Like
Speaker 2: they've actually debunked that they didn't even go already, Like
Speaker 2: so many like scientists and people are chiming in. They're like, dude,
Speaker 2: look at it, like this this shit is faker than
Speaker 2: the moon landing in the sixties, you know.
Speaker 3: And there's like a music video shoot just like that's
Speaker 3: why they got her to do it, because you see,
Speaker 3: somebody can come in and make a music video. That's
Speaker 3: all that was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, for sure, I like you.
Speaker 3: I like what you're saying too about like I think
Speaker 3: there's something to the crypto terrestrial hypothesis. And it's not
Speaker 3: because Harvard says so, I know that they put that
Speaker 3: paper out recently. I just think it's something that you
Speaker 3: see in mythologies, like this idea that there are inner
Speaker 3: Earth beings, and like even even in the Native War,
Speaker 3: like I found that, you know, speaking of cities, ancient cities,
Speaker 3: like where Asheville, North Carolina is today, I think they
Speaker 3: built that on top of an ancient city. And and
Speaker 3: I think that I found some evidence that the Cherokee
Speaker 3: were living there way back when where Asheville is today.
Speaker 3: And the Cherokee have a legend it's right there off
Speaker 3: the French Broad River. They have a legend that they
Speaker 3: were again a time of troubles like drought and warring
Speaker 3: tribes and all that. And uh, the their main shaman
Speaker 3: was meditated or fasting for seven days and he got
Speaker 3: in touch with the inner earth little people from Pilot
Speaker 3: Mountain what And the little people of Pilot Mountain told
Speaker 3: the shaman, like, we'll take you in to inner Earth
Speaker 3: with us so you can get out of this this
Speaker 3: hard time, so you can have a you know, a
Speaker 3: relief shelter. But the people who want to come with
Speaker 3: us into inner Earth. They just need to do like
Speaker 3: you did and fast for seven days, and then you
Speaker 3: can come into the earth. So the legend is that
Speaker 3: some of the people that wanted to escape the hardships
Speaker 3: fasted for seven days and went with the little people
Speaker 3: into like a pearl in Pilot Mountain.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm gonna fast for seven days because I'm
Speaker 2: ready to fucking go. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: it's time. Yeah, that sounds so sick. I hope that
Speaker 2: that's true. Like that would be so awesome if it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, you hear a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of seven days and find out I would love to
Speaker 4: see you do this.
Speaker 2: I mean you got to go there, right, Like, you
Speaker 2: got to be in the region in order for them
Speaker 2: to come up to you after the seven day fast?
Speaker 4: Or is it astral.
Speaker 3: I got the impression that there was some astral I
Speaker 3: got the impression that the shaman went into the astral
Speaker 3: room to receive that knowledge in the first place. For sure,
Speaker 3: we're talking about some very very spiritual people.
Speaker 4: I don't mean that in a demeaning way. Look, even
Speaker 4: as a Christian, I've heard many many people that go
Speaker 4: on a food fast they say, after the third day,
Speaker 4: you achieve a spiritual enlightenment that you couldn't have achieved otherwise.
Speaker 4: So like, look, bro, I'm not throwing shade at this, Jonathan.
Speaker 4: Please go on a seven day fast and let's see
Speaker 4: what you find on the other side. I'm here for
Speaker 4: this fucking smoke, Bro, I.
Speaker 2: Think that there probably is some kind of spiritual nosis
Speaker 2: that comes with that. I've the longest I've been able
Speaker 2: to fastest three days after that. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: you feel like you're fucking dying on that third day.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, but I would be interested.
Speaker 4: In your physical self is dying, but your spiritual self
Speaker 4: is rebuilt, reborning.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: Shed this old carcass. Baby, I'm ready to be done
Speaker 2: with it, you know, But yeah, I think I might
Speaker 2: have to give it a try. But yeah, dude, look,
Speaker 2: this was a fun and very entertaining, very knowledgeable type
Speaker 2: of episode. Like I think you gave the people a
Speaker 2: lot to go and research and a lot to you know,
Speaker 2: meditate and stuff on. If you could, could you let
Speaker 2: all the good cult members out there know where to
Speaker 2: find you, sir?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will, and thanks guys. I had a blast today.
Speaker 3: I apologize for the internet thing. That's this is the
Speaker 3: first time I've ever really had an issue with this,
Speaker 3: so I'll try to fix it. But I'd love to
Speaker 3: do this again with you guys. Sometimes I actually really
Speaker 3: enjoy talking to you. Same cool, Let's do it again.
Speaker 3: My podcast is sixth Censury podcast I'm on Spotify, Apple, Instagent.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let me start that over again. I should
Speaker 3: know this, right, I should know Spotify, Apple, Patreon, and
Speaker 3: YouTube and I have an Instagram. There we go and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: sixth Censury Podcasts. Tim Constantine, come check out my stuff
Speaker 3: if you liked anything you heard today. I dive into
Speaker 3: these topics and more on there all the time.
Speaker 2: I love it, dude. I love the angle that you take,
Speaker 2: you know, just on a journey for truth, doesn't even
Speaker 2: matter like that's I vibe with that. I'm somebody that's, like,
Speaker 2: you know, personally, I like to look into certain you know,
Speaker 2: articles and concepts and videos and what are the mythologies
Speaker 2: around certain things, not necessarily taking it completely at face value,
Speaker 2: but see if it correlates with other information and see
Speaker 2: what kind of rabbit holes you can go down into.
Speaker 2: I love that way of research, man, So we h
Speaker 2: we appreciate you. We definitely got to do it again
Speaker 2: pretty soon too, I think, because I really enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 2: Sorry for me and Jacob getting into a little tiff earlier.
Speaker 2: We're it's brotherly love at this point. Oh you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: Call that a tiff. For any cult member that's listening,
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