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<v Speaker 1>I want you to transport yourself for a second back

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<v Speaker 1>to the early morning hours of December twelfth, nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Just try to paint a picture in your mind of

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<v Speaker 1>two completely radically different places.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because the contrast between these two locations is really

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<v Speaker 2>what sets the emotional stage for this whole thing exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So down in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the atmosphere is just electric.

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<v Speaker 1>Families are up way before dawn. They're stringing decorations, They've

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<v Speaker 1>got you know, welcome home signs painted, and they're all

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<v Speaker 1>gathering on the base.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're waiting for their loved ones from the one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and first Airborne Division to finally return. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is after a really grueling six month peacekeeping deployment

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<v Speaker 2>in the Sinai Peninsula, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just in time for the holidays, right, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly joyous. But to really grasp the tragedy of this story,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to contrast that warm scene with where those

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers actually are if five point thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>In the morning, right, and where they are is Errow

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<v Speaker 2>Airflight twelve eighty five, which is this massive Douglas DC eight.

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<v Speaker 2>It has just touched down to refuel in Gander, Newfoundland.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is pretty much the opposite of a warm Kentucky morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely. It is pitched black outside. The temperature is just

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<v Speaker 2>hovering right at freezing and there is this brutal, biting

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<v Speaker 2>mix of ice and freezing rain coming down out of

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<v Speaker 2>the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>So inside that terminal in Gander, you have two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty eight US soldiers and eight true members seeking

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<v Speaker 1>refuge from that cold. You know, they're stretching their legs,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe grabbing a coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Just trying to wake up and get through the layover.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the accident reports note this incredibly bittersweet detail.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the soldiers are actually hitting the payphones, calling

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<v Speaker 1>home to Kentucky, telling their spouses and parents, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we made it a Gander. We're just a few hours away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are even wandering through the airport gift

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<v Speaker 1>shop buying these T shirts that say I survived Gander, Newfoundland, which.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that just guts you when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the historical record of what actually happens over the next hour.

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<v Speaker 1>It really does. So today, our mission in this deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive is to piece together what exactly rock Down Airflight

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<v Speaker 1>twelve eighty five, and we have a massive stack of

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<v Speaker 1>sources in front of us to help us do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've got the official Canadian aviation accident reports, historical

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<v Speaker 2>analyzes of the intense geopolitical climate of nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 2>and crucially, an unprecedented, highly controversial, dissenting minority report from

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<v Speaker 2>the investigators themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to look at how two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six people lost their lives, but also explore how

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<v Speaker 1>a deeply fractured investigation ended up costing even more lives

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<v Speaker 1>down the line.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to set the stakes for you, the loss

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<v Speaker 2>of life here was so profound. Military historians point out

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<v Speaker 2>that the one hundred and first Airborne, the famed Screaming Eagles,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't lose this many people in such a short

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<v Speaker 2>period of time even during the D Day invasion in

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<v Speaker 2>World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that really puts it in perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>It does. And we're attempting a forensic look at two

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<v Speaker 2>myometrically opposed realities of this crash. Our goal isn't to

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<v Speaker 2>take a side, but to lay out the evidence exactly

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<v Speaker 2>as the investigators found it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, We're untangling this real complicated web of aero dynamics

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<v Speaker 1>suspicion and Cold War paranoia. So, looking at the flight

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<v Speaker 1>logs we've pulled for this, the actual flight lasted in

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<v Speaker 1>agonizingly short fifty three seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Just fifty three seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's six point four to six am. The crew

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<v Speaker 1>is cleared for takeoff on runway two to two, and

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<v Speaker 1>according to their charts, they are aiming for a specific

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<v Speaker 1>air speed to safely lift off right.

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<v Speaker 2>The log show they calculated they needed to hit one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty four knots to rotate.

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<v Speaker 1>Rotate, meaning to pull the nose up right.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly to pull the control column back and lift the

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<v Speaker 2>nose off the runway. Now, Runway two and two is

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<v Speaker 2>the longest strip at Gander, so under normal circumstances they

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<v Speaker 2>should have this massive safety margin. So they have plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of room, plenty of room in the cockpit. The pilots

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<v Speaker 2>use a little physical marker on their airspeed indicator. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called a bug. They slide that bug to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty four knots so they have a visual target

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<v Speaker 2>to look at while accelerating.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, got it.

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<v Speaker 2>But as they push the throttles forward and begin their

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<v Speaker 2>takeoff roll, the acceleration is just sluggish.

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<v Speaker 1>And sluggish in a massive, heavy jetliner that's hurtling down

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<v Speaker 1>a dark, icy runway is a terrifying concept.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>The timeline shows it takes them four seconds longer than

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<v Speaker 1>it should have to lift off, which I mean four

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<v Speaker 1>seconds might sound completely trivial to us sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, but at that speed, four seconds means they chewed

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<v Speaker 2>up over a thousand feet of runway before the wheels

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<v Speaker 2>finally left the pavement.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a huge distance to eat up. But the

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<v Speaker 1>real terror, according to the data, sets in immediately after liftoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the DC eight gets airborne and the flight data

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<v Speaker 2>shows they reach an air speed of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven knots. But just two seconds later that speed.

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<v Speaker 1>Drops and the aircraft is barely climbing above the tree line.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, the first officer is at the controls,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can see his instinctual reaction in the data.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the speed is dropping, the forest at the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of the airport is approaching incredibly fast, so he

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<v Speaker 1>pulls the nose up to try and force.

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<v Speaker 2>A climb, which is human nature. Right, you're going down,

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<v Speaker 2>you pull up. But the plane is, as one investigator

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<v Speaker 2>bluntly put it. It's flying like a pig. It just

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<v Speaker 2>isn't gaining altitude.

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<v Speaker 1>A half mile past the end of the runway. The

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft is flying so low, and it's such a radical

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<v Speaker 1>nose up angle that the underbelly actually begins clipping the trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Three hundred and seventy eight trees to be exact. They

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<v Speaker 2>were mapped later by investigators to determine the plane's exact trajectory.

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<v Speaker 1>That's horrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it was flying right wing low, nose pitched

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly high, descending rapidly until it slammed into the frozen ground.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I try to visualize what's happening to

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<v Speaker 1>the aerodynamics when that first officer pulls the nose up,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you think of someone driving a speedboat trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get it to plane on top of the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a good comparison, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't have enough forward momentum and you pull

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<v Speaker 1>the nose of the boat up too high, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>glide over the water. You just turn the hall into

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<v Speaker 1>a massive wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, You plow the water, You create huge drag and

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<v Speaker 2>the boat sinks heavily back down.

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<v Speaker 1>So pulling the nose up on a stalling aircraft without

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<v Speaker 1>enough speed essentially turns the underside of the wings into

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<v Speaker 1>these massive air brakes against the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>That captures the physics perfectly. You are increasing the angle

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<v Speaker 2>of attack, hoping the wings will bite into the air

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<v Speaker 2>and lift you. But without sufficient forward air speed, the

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<v Speaker 2>smooth flow of air over the wing detaches. As you

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<v Speaker 2>lose lift, you lose lift, drag spikes massively, and gravity

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<v Speaker 2>winds you fall out of the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>Man and the scene first responders arrived at was just horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>They described a thirty foot high, burning mass of metal

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<v Speaker 1>and jet fuel. It didn't even resemble a Douglas DC

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<v Speaker 1>eight anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It was total devastation.

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<v Speaker 1>So naturally, the investigators from the Canadian Aviation Safety Board

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<v Speaker 1>to the CASB, specifically David McNair and Peter Bog, they

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<v Speaker 1>want the black boxes. They need to know what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But looking at their initial reports, they hit a brutal

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<v Speaker 1>wall almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>A completely infuriating wall for an accident investigator. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they retrieve the cockpit voice recorder, hoping to hear the

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<v Speaker 2>pie It's dialogue in those final fifty three seconds, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's completely blank, completely blank. The device had malfunction prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the flight and recorded nothing but.

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<v Speaker 1>Static, So they have absolutely no idea what the true

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<v Speaker 1>was seeing or saying. It's just a dead end. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they go to the flight data recorder expecting the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of detailed telemetry we see in modern investigations, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't get that.

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<v Speaker 2>Either, far from it. Instead of a digital recorder tracking

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of parameters like flap sayings, engine thrust, control column inputs,

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<v Speaker 2>they find this outdated model that engrieves data onto a

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<v Speaker 2>slow moving roll of stainless steel foil.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading about these foil recorders in our source material,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's basically the nineteen fifties technology. It uses a

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<v Speaker 1>literal metal stylus to scratch lines onto a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>metal ribbon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is incredibly primitive, and because it relies on

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<v Speaker 2>physically etching foil, it only records four basic metrics, just four,

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<v Speaker 2>just four speed, altitude, heading, and vertical acceleration meaning G forces.

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<v Speaker 2>That is it.

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<v Speaker 1>That is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>They have no data on engine power, nothing on the

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<v Speaker 2>pitch angle, no record the pilot's control inputs. The investigators

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<v Speaker 2>are practically flying blind here, but they do have.

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<v Speaker 1>Some basic math to start with thankfully, And they start

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the weight of the aircraft. Because Arrow Air

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<v Speaker 1>used a standard commercial weight estimate to calculate their takeoff parameter.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, they estimated one hundred and seventy pounds per passenger,

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<v Speaker 2>which includes the person and their baggage, which.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is standard practice for a typical commercial flight. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying a mixed demographic of men, women, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Children, exactly standard average.

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<v Speaker 1>But looking at the passenger manifest relying on that one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy pound number seems completely absurd. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>these aren't average vacationers. These are two hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight elite, fully grown paratroopers returning from a six month

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<v Speaker 1>military deployment.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. They're not carrying little carry on bags.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they are carrying massive amounts of specialized gear, heavy boots,

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<v Speaker 1>heavy duffel bags.

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<v Speaker 2>And investigator David McNair saw that exact same discrepancy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was an experienced pilot who had flown military personnel,

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<v Speaker 2>and he knew one hundred and seventy pounds was a

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<v Speaker 2>vast underestimate.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do they find out?

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<v Speaker 2>His team actually pulled the medical records of the soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>on board to get their real weights when they factored

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<v Speaker 2>in the gear and carry ons. The realistic average was

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and twenty twenty pounds per passenger.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so a fifty pound difference per person. Multiplying that

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<v Speaker 1>across two hundred and forty eight people means the aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>was carrying at least twelve thousand extra pounds that the

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<v Speaker 1>pilots had not accounted for in their takeoff calculations.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a huge deal. The engines had to work

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<v Speaker 2>significantly harder than the crew realized. Right, I mean, twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds is a massive dangerous discrepancy. But, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is important, if we trace the logical through line, the

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<v Speaker 2>weight alone doesn't crack the case because.

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<v Speaker 1>The plane had already been flying with that weight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. The DC eight is an absolute workhorse. More importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>this specific plan had been flying with that exact same

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<v Speaker 2>heavy load all night. It took off from Cairo, and

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<v Speaker 2>it took off from Cologne, Germany completely fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. The causal link forces investigators to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>The weather logs for Ganders show that freezing rain. We

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<v Speaker 2>And to understand the mechanism of why that decision was fatal,

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<v Speaker 2>data the investigators ran.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>See, in the mid nineteen eighties, the aviation industry didn't

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<v Speaker 2>A flight engineer might look out the window for thick,

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<v Speaker 1>Because you think ice equals heavy exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But the danger isn't just the wave of the ice.

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<v Speaker 1>Our sources talk a lot about the boundary layer. Can

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? So, think of a smooth rock in a fast

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<v Speaker 2>That thin smooth flow hugging the surface is like the

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<v Speaker 2>boundary layer of air on an aircraft's wing. Now imagine

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the water doesn't flow smoothly anymore, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It trips on the rough surface, churning and bubbling up.

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<v Speaker 1>It creates turbulence right at the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely. Even a layer of ice as thin and rough

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<v Speaker 2>as medium grit sandpaper on the leading edge of a

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<v Speaker 2>that boundary layer of air to separate from the wing

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<v Speaker 2>far earlier than.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely. So when you take an aircraft carrying an uncalculated

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<v Speaker 2>like layer of ice, the physics are insurmountable.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so the aircraft was functionally doomed the second the

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<v Speaker 1>wheels left the ground. It's a tragic but very clear

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<v Speaker 1>scientific explanation. Weight plus ice equals disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Knair's team concluded.

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<v Speaker 1>But just as this ice theory starts to become the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have to zoom out for a second and

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<v Speaker 2>look at the globe. In nineteen eighty five, the geopolitical

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<v Speaker 2>recently suffered catastrophic losses in the Beirut truck bombings, and

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<v Speaker 2>literally within hours of flight twelve eighty five going down,

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<v Speaker 2>claiming to represent Islamic Jihad, which is a branch of Hesbelah.

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<v Speaker 2>They claim they destroyed the aircraft.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean when a plane full of American soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>goes down and a known terrorist group claims responsibility, the

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<v Speaker 1>entire security apparatus goes into overdriveing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely, everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Is on edge. And adding to the suspicion, the historical

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<v Speaker 1>reports show serious anomalies with the cargo. There were large,

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<v Speaker 1>unmanifested wooden boxes loaded onto the plane back in Cairo

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<v Speaker 1>and we still have definitively know was in them.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus security at the Kiro report was shockingly lax according

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<v Speaker 1>Right and floating in the background of all this are

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<v Speaker 1>rumors tying the charter airline Aerowair to Colonel Oliver North's

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<v Speaker 2>So you have all this swirling around, and that environment

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<v Speaker 2>of intense suspicion begins to fracture the Canadian Aviation Safety

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<v Speaker 2>Board itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It literally tears the team apart.

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<v Speaker 2>It does. A faction of investigators emerges, led by a

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<v Speaker 2>board member and flight data recorder specialist named less Photus.

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<v Speaker 2>Photos looks at the scratch marks on that primitive foil recorder,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically the deceleration rates, and says, ice doesn't explain this.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so what was Photos seeing in the deceleration data

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<v Speaker 1>that made him break ranks with McNair.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he calculated that for the massive DC eight to

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<v Speaker 2>slow down as rapidly as the foil data suggested, it

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't just be a loss of lift from ice, he argued.

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<v Speaker 2>It would require WHI are a massive abrupt loss of.

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<v Speaker 1>Forward thrust, like the engines just quit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He believed all four jet engines would have had

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<v Speaker 2>to suddenly spool down, meaning rapidly lose their rotational speed

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<v Speaker 2>and power simultaneously, and ice on the wing simply does

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<v Speaker 2>not cause four independent jet engines to suddenly stop producing thrust.

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<v Speaker 1>So Photus and his dissenting colleagues start compiling evidence pointing

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<v Speaker 1>to a catastrophic event inside.

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<v Speaker 2>The plane, and honestly, looking at their specific points, you

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of see why they built such a compelling

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<v Speaker 2>alternative theory.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just a wild guess. They had tangible things

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<v Speaker 1>they were pointing to. Right. First, they had eyewitness testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>Two truckers driving on the Trans Canada Highway directly under

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<v Speaker 1>the flight path testified that they saw a bright glow

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<v Speaker 1>or flames coming from the bottom of the plane before

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<v Speaker 1>it ever hit the trees.

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<v Speaker 2>And they believe that indicated a mid air fire or explosion.

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<v Speaker 1>Then my immediate thought reading the autopsy reports was if

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<v Speaker 1>the medical examiners found extremely high levels of carbon monoxide

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<v Speaker 1>in the blood of some victims, they had to be

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<v Speaker 1>breeding smoke while they were still alive in the air, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The rebel investigators argued this proved there was a fire

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<v Speaker 2>in the cabin before the crash, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they also pointed to specific physical debris. They found

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of the fuselage with a hole in it

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<v Speaker 1>where the metal was curled outward.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, think about if you push your finger from the

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<v Speaker 2>inside of a sheet of aluminum foil to the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>The edges curl out right away from you to them.

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<v Speaker 2>That indicated an internal explosive force pushing outward, not an

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<v Speaker 2>impact force from hitting the ground pushing inward.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the engine debris. An independent investigator hired

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<v Speaker 1>by the airline looked at the internal guide veanes of

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<v Speaker 1>the number three engine, and if you picture the very

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<v Speaker 1>fan blades you see from the terminal, there are stationary

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<v Speaker 1>metal fins that guide the air inward.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the guide vanes exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They found dense on the leading edges of these veins,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them had a smear of bright red paint,

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<v Speaker 1>so they theorized this was debris from a midair explosion

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<v Speaker 1>painted red, being sucked through the turbine.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you have a board completely torn into The

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<v Speaker 2>lead investigators McNair and Bogue are watching their team fracture,

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<v Speaker 2>but they maintain that every single piece of the bomb theory,

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<v Speaker 2>the flames, the carbon monoxide, the paint can be explained

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<v Speaker 2>by science and the brutal realities of the crash sequence itself.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's work through McNair's scientific rebuttals because this is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>They are looking at the exact same evidence and drawing

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<v Speaker 1>entirely different conclusions.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is a study and perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with the truckers. I hear them saying they

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<v Speaker 1>saw flames in the sky. How does McNair's team explain

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<v Speaker 1>fire coming from the plane if there wasn't a bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>They explain it through an aerodynamic phenomenon called a compressor stall.

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<v Speaker 1>A compressor stall what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>When an aircraft is pitched up at a radical angle,

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<v Speaker 2>starving for forward air speed, Remember it's flying like a pig,

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<v Speaker 2>The airflow entering the jet engines is severely disrupted. The

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<v Speaker 2>engines literally choke on the turbulent air.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And when that happens, unburned jet fuel can ignite and

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<v Speaker 2>shoot out the front or back of the engine as

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<v Speaker 2>a massive tongue of flame.

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<v Speaker 1>So does someone driving on the highway below. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the planes on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly In reality, the engines are just violently struggling for

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<v Speaker 1>That makes incredible sense aerodynamically, But what about the carbon monoxide?

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<v Speaker 1>If the victims inhaled smoke doesn't that require a fire

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<v Speaker 1>in the cabin before they hit the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily. And this is where it gets grim. McNair

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<v Speaker 2>attributed the carbon monoxide to the sheer intensity of the

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<v Speaker 2>post crash infernout.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it was a huge fireball on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. The destruction was so total and the fuel fed

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<v Speaker 2>fire so massive that victims who survived the initial impact

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<v Speaker 2>for even a few chaotic seconds could have absorbed carbon

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<v Speaker 2>monoxide during the crash sequence on the ground, not in

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see, And what about that mysterious red paint

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<v Speaker 1>on the internal guide vanes the supposed bomb debris.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Royal Canadian Mound Police actually traced that specific

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<v Speaker 2>red paint to a front end loader.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait really, yeah a tractor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, emergency crews use heavy machinery to bulldoze and move

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<v Speaker 2>wreckage at the crash site during the recovery effort. The

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<v Speaker 2>dent and the red paint happened while the engine was

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<v Speaker 2>being shoved around on the frozen ground, not at a

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<v Speaker 1>That is just it forces you to look at how

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<v Speaker 1>powerful human psychology is in high stake situations. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why did these brilliant dedicated experts split so completely well.

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<v Speaker 2>The investigators were under immense pressure. The American military and

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<v Speaker 2>international media were scrutinizing their every move right.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone wanted an answer yesterday. Yeah, and it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>it is almost easier for the human mind to process that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, evil men planted a bomb to destroy a plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than accepting that a mundane, microscopic layer of ice

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<v Speaker 1>and a simple math error could wipe out two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty six soldiers.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed a villain, and the geopolitical tension provided.

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<v Speaker 1>One exactly, and that psychological pressure and institutional friction is

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<v Speaker 1>what allultimately tore the Canadian Aviation Safety Board apart.

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<v Speaker 2>It really did. When it came time to publish the

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<v Speaker 2>final accident report, four of the nine board members refused

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<v Speaker 2>to sign it.

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<v Speaker 1>Four out of nine, that's almost half.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They took the unprecedented step of releasing a minority report.

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<v Speaker 2>They included photographs of the inward curling fuselage. They openly

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<v Speaker 2>alleged an in flight explosion, and even suggested a potential

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<v Speaker 2>cover up by authorities who were trying to rush the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation and avoid an international incident.

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<v Speaker 1>Which brings us to the most tragic consequence of this

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<v Speaker 1>entire story. Because of the massive media circus surrounding the

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<v Speaker 1>minority report, you know, the dueling press conferences, the Iran

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<v Speaker 1>kanfer rumors, the Hesbola claims, the actual vital safety message

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<v Speaker 1>that McNair and his team were trying to screen to

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<v Speaker 1>the aviation world was completely drowned out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was completely lost. The message that a tiny amount

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<v Speaker 2>of ice could destroy the lifting capability of a massive

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<v Speaker 2>commercial jet was lost in the noise of the sabotage theory,

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<v Speaker 2>and the aviation industry paid the price for that distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>We know it was ignored because of what happened just

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<v Speaker 1>a few years later. March nineteen eighty nine in Dryden, Ontario,

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<v Speaker 1>another freezing winter day. Another flight crew, this time operating

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<v Speaker 1>a Fokker F twenty eight passenger chet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're sitting on the runway while snowfalls, relying

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<v Speaker 2>on a previous de icing treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and they elect not to de ice their wings

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<v Speaker 1>again before taking off.

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<v Speaker 2>The sequence of events is practically identical to Gander.

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<v Speaker 1>It is seconds after takeoff the Fokker F twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>cannot achieve sufficient lift due to the contamination on the wings.

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<v Speaker 1>It stalls, it crashes into the tree canopy just past

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<v Speaker 1>the runway, and twenty four people are killed. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same aerodynamic mechanism of disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>If the industry had unified around the Gander findings, if

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<v Speaker 2>the regulations regarding microscopic ice accumulation had been forcefully updated

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<v Speaker 2>and drilled into pilots worldwide, without the distraction of a

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<v Speaker 2>divided investigative board, the tragedy in Dryden might never have occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredibly frustrating, and the aftermath of the Gander investigation

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<v Speaker 1>was just institutional scorched earth. The CASB was so compromised

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<v Speaker 1>by this internal war, and their public credibility was so

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<v Speaker 1>shattered that the Canadian government disbanded the agency entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to scrap it and build a brand new

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<v Speaker 2>investigative body from the ground up.

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<v Speaker 1>But the most profound loss here, beyond the institutional failure

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<v Speaker 1>in the preventable crash and Dryden, is for the families

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<v Speaker 1>of the hundred and first airborne I mean I speak

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<v Speaker 1>directly to you listening. Imagine being one of those families

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<v Speaker 1>decorating a house in Fort Campbell. You lose your son,

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<v Speaker 1>your daughter, your spouse, and because of the bureaucratic infighting,

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<v Speaker 1>you are never handed a single, definitive, unanimously agreed upon

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<v Speaker 1>answer for why they didn't come home.

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<v Speaker 2>It's awful, the agony of living with two competing truths.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it a tragic, avoidable oversight regarding ice or was

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<v Speaker 2>it a targeted act of terror? Yeah, is a burden

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<v Speaker 2>those families have had to carry for.

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<v Speaker 1>Decades, decades without closure.

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<v Speaker 2>The real safety message, as one of the dissenting investigators

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<v Speaker 2>ironically pointed out years later, is that you have to

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<v Speaker 2>get at the truth. But when the facts become a battleground,

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<v Speaker 2>the truth becomes a casualty itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Man leaves us with a lingering question for you to

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<v Speaker 1>mull over. We crave clean, visible answers, especially when tragedy strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>But in an era where geopolitical tensions are constantly high,

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<v Speaker 1>where multiple actors might claim responsibility for a single event,

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<v Speaker 1>and conspiracy theories can spread instantly across the globe, how

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<v Speaker 1>can modern investigators ensure that the truth isn't drowned out

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<v Speaker 1>by the noise?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? How do you focus on the science exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>How do we make sure the crucial, sometimes boring scientific

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<v Speaker 1>lessons are actually learned before human psychology forces history to

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<v Speaker 1>repeat itself.
