Speaker 1: Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to
Speaker 1: William Ramsey investigates on today's show of a very special guest.
Speaker 1: This will be a third episode in a three part
Speaker 1: series we have been doing, and it started off with
Speaker 1: the si opt to Mind War book, the kind of
Speaker 1: famous book. It was written by Paul Vallli and Michael Lokino,
Speaker 1: and then his follow up to that book, which is
Speaker 1: like a four arder page book. We covered that, but
Speaker 1: this will be part three. This will be our seventh
Speaker 1: episode in total, so you can go back and see
Speaker 1: some of the other subjects we've covered, such as Curtis Jarvin,
Speaker 1: Fort Bragg, Satanic elite pedal rings which are still around,
Speaker 1: and then just generally the sixth g Agenda. It's Andrew
Speaker 1: of the six g Agenda podcast, so it all goes together.
Speaker 1: It's not just six G which is right on the horizon.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's even closer than the horizon at this point,
Speaker 1: but really is that agenda of like almost sentient pervasive
Speaker 1: surveillance pallateer style. But it's something everybody should be concerned
Speaker 1: about a whereabout and afraid of really, because it's getting
Speaker 1: very strange and there's a lot of like the capacity
Speaker 1: of the government to really violate constitutional principles of being
Speaker 1: free of search and seizure and things like that. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. There's the three books for
Speaker 1: if you didn't hear here our earlier shows, you should
Speaker 1: probably go back in and listen to those, because what
Speaker 1: Makino did is he like, after he had this kind
Speaker 1: of smaller document that was about ten fifteen pages, he
Speaker 1: wrote three books on the subject and they're all on
Speaker 1: kind of a different topic. But Andrew can talk more
Speaker 1: about that. So Andrew, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on again. William, Yeah, I super excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as far as the book trilogy goes, they kind
Speaker 3: of work off of each.
Speaker 2: Other in different aspects.
Speaker 3: One of them talks about the idea of manipulating the
Speaker 3: mind psyops mind war through and he mentioned the electromagnetic
Speaker 3: aspect to the brain that you can kind of manipulate mechanically,
Speaker 3: and so that leads into mind Star, which is where
Speaker 3: he goes in mind where I explain the mechanical, materialistic,
Speaker 3: physical side of that electromagnetic part of your brain. But
Speaker 3: there is a spiritual element to that, and this is
Speaker 3: that you know, god within man, you know, plasma technology
Speaker 3: of course within like the Theosophical Society, which I think
Speaker 3: is the same as of course the orbs.
Speaker 2: We see that, you know, I've been kind of getting into.
Speaker 3: I think that they're really just it's kind of like
Speaker 3: in the old days whenever they knew that the sun
Speaker 3: was going to hit have an eclipse and they had
Speaker 3: people sacrifice people and or else the sun wouldn't go away.
Speaker 2: They're doing the same thing with orbs now.
Speaker 3: I think that they understand how to do plasma technology
Speaker 3: and make them appear, and this goes along with this
Speaker 3: UFO idea. So that's part of the sy op to
Speaker 3: mind war aspect. I think that we see it every day,
Speaker 3: so it's good to read this to get some context
Speaker 3: for what we see pervading our life every day.
Speaker 2: So thanks for having me, and I'm super excited.
Speaker 1: Great, thanks for coming back. Those are those three books,
Speaker 1: So you say, the second one in the series is
Speaker 1: really a Kino kind of promoting his Luciferian satanic philosophy.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, and then yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: The third one is kind of like the remote viewing
Speaker 1: type stuff or what is it?
Speaker 3: So this one here is the one we'll talk about
Speaker 3: today find and this one is really the third book,
Speaker 3: but I think it's best to read this one next
Speaker 3: when you're speaking about the police state and you're speaking
Speaker 3: about syops and mind war. You know, the second one
Speaker 3: is more of an initiatory book into the Setian philosophy.
Speaker 3: This one is getting into now that they've explained what
Speaker 3: mind war and what it concentrates on. Fine far is
Speaker 3: about changing the future from a reactive to active society
Speaker 3: and what it is is. I mean, we're going to
Speaker 3: go through it, but every chapter, you know, human law,
Speaker 3: divine law, natural law. It talks about water, oceans, refugees, populations, children,
Speaker 3: so everything has a comment where essentially he kind of
Speaker 3: gives a you know, we can manipulate people off of
Speaker 3: each one of these things. So he gives a little aspect,
Speaker 3: a little footnote to each thing.
Speaker 2: So I think it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I almost think they're using it like a blueprint as
Speaker 3: we go through it. You know, towards the end we
Speaker 3: have the chapter called war is Peace sounds a lot
Speaker 3: to me like p through strength, right, So it gets
Speaker 3: interesting as we go through it.
Speaker 1: So he believed he's kind of continuing on that theme
Speaker 1: or agenda of like just total manipulation from all for good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's for good though, because we're gonna build
Speaker 3: a utopia out of doing this with people.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So that's of course always what they look at it
Speaker 3: as is we you know, they're redeeming quality. Is this
Speaker 3: is all for the better of humanity, and it's all
Speaker 3: to create you know, god, men on earth, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So it's the same old story, shall be as gods
Speaker 1: and everything we're doing is actually for the benefit of
Speaker 1: man or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Right, yep.
Speaker 3: And like Alice Bailey says, you know, many are called,
Speaker 3: few are chosen, and it's okay, you know, if you
Speaker 3: may say it's unfair that a lot of people will die,
Speaker 3: but I have to remind you that this is just
Speaker 3: one of many of the soul's existences, and so this
Speaker 3: physical destruction of the body is like not the worst
Speaker 3: that can happen to man. So they're justifying the idea
Speaker 3: of the calling, and so remember that aspect because that's important, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So where do you want to get started.
Speaker 3: Let's see, Well, there's this preface where he kind of
Speaker 3: just gets into like mind war. He just talks you know,
Speaker 3: you can't really find this book online. That's the crazy part.
Speaker 3: I had to buy all three because only two out
Speaker 3: of three of them were online.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Fine Far.
Speaker 3: Takes the three the other two things and just kind
Speaker 3: of mixes it together with the societal aspect of how
Speaker 3: we can mess. He calls it the fourth dimensional dynamic
Speaker 3: called fine Far, which is the subject of this book.
Speaker 3: Fine Far is not a static picture, but it's one
Speaker 3: in motion. It's a projection which is in constant harmonization
Speaker 3: with the mind war campaign. Right, So it's it's every
Speaker 3: aspect of life is just fair game for us to,
Speaker 3: you know, essentially use for a mind war campaign is
Speaker 3: all he's saying here. So he gets into this status
Speaker 3: quo and chaos. He calls it frozen in the headlights.
Speaker 3: He says, right out of the starting gate, conventional approaches
Speaker 3: to political problems solving are doomed to confuse and frustration,
Speaker 3: and there's no framework for solution and phased implementation. So
Speaker 3: he's trying to say here that, you know, essentially that's
Speaker 3: what this book is going to offer. So he just
Speaker 3: talks about rather the subject problem is treated as an amorphous,
Speaker 3: discrete incident of state or state of affairs, and so
Speaker 3: proposed solutions are designed and considered for immediate appeasement and
Speaker 3: gratification for interested parties. So he's saying that the symptoms,
Speaker 3: not the causes, are treated and the can and the
Speaker 3: can is kicked down the road. So just like our
Speaker 3: medical industry, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, When was this? When was his what was this
Speaker 1: book published?
Speaker 3: This book was came out? When did this come out?
Speaker 3: I want to say twenty seventeen, right before he died?
Speaker 1: Gotcha?
Speaker 2: So this is the last one that came out.
Speaker 1: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: So he gets into three headlights. There's three primary reasons.
Speaker 3: So the headlights are an analogy for I guess the
Speaker 3: things that you know, the symptoms or whatever. So he
Speaker 3: talks about nations, he talks about how there's no way out.
Speaker 3: There's one thousand pound canaries. The no way out aspect
Speaker 3: is that there's no practical solution. So for instance, like
Speaker 3: global warming may in truth be caused by conditions completely
Speaker 3: beyond human control and political and capability, instability and agitation
Speaker 3: is actually ultimately emotionally denial, denial in apocalyptic pant so
Speaker 3: a lot of this is written like he's just a
Speaker 3: crazy person. So whenever you read some of this, you're like, dude,
Speaker 3: this is really just it makes not much sense. But
Speaker 3: he speaks like he's encrypting some kind of you know,
Speaker 3: deep knowledge into all of his little words. So as
Speaker 3: I read this, I almost you know, I'm like, which
Speaker 3: parts are more important? Because he has aging here, and
Speaker 3: he says there are a lot. There are relative few
Speaker 3: cultures that are advanced enough to respect, love, and care
Speaker 3: for their elders anymore. Their fate is a lonely and
Speaker 3: neglected and miserable one. And so issue here is humanity's
Speaker 3: regard for its own creation and lineage, which must be
Speaker 3: relearned as much from the great civilizations of antiquity as
Speaker 3: restored in a future utopia.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 3: So each of these are just what we need to
Speaker 3: do to make this aspect better.
Speaker 2: And so he sounds kind of I mean, some of
Speaker 2: it sounds good, right.
Speaker 1: It always does. It's the old temptations and stuffio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll skip past kind of all this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to get to some of the meat of the matter.
Speaker 3: But as I said, he just writes kind of like
Speaker 3: a crazy person a little bit internally. The difficult the
Speaker 3: difficulty with the concept of eschatology. He starts talking about
Speaker 3: eschatology here is that it is necessarily raises the question
Speaker 3: of priority of God exists prior to creation? How could
Speaker 3: he distinguish himself or conceived creation? Is it possible for
Speaker 3: there to be a reason for creation and then necessarily
Speaker 3: requiring for some external reference her alternative, in which case
Speaker 3: no one creation cannot be entire creation. And so he
Speaker 3: just talked about a scatology and how we could use
Speaker 3: this for in the eternal law, for manipulating people into
Speaker 3: the preservation of order.
Speaker 2: He calls it, gotcha, who's do you know?
Speaker 1: Who the girl is? Who's the intro? Who Janet Forbes is?
Speaker 1: Is that his first wife?
Speaker 2: Did he have more than one? Did he have more
Speaker 2: than one? No, Lilith was like his main kind of
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: He dedicated this to a woman named Janet Forbes, who's
Speaker 1: there's a picture of her. I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2: Should look into that. I'm curious about that.
Speaker 1: It's in the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me look in the beginning.
Speaker 3: He talks about the Great Gatsby in the beginning too.
Speaker 3: It's kind of weird. I don't know, what do you
Speaker 3: know any kind of weird, like why he would include
Speaker 3: that in the beginning.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not too fir. I mean I've read it in school.
Speaker 3: You know, she looks like Janet f Akino is in
Speaker 3: here too, That's who it's dedicated to, So you might
Speaker 3: be right.
Speaker 2: It might have been.
Speaker 1: Janet Forbes's Janet became Janet Aquino.
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, she looks a lot man, she
Speaker 2: looks similar to what.
Speaker 1: If she's part of the Forbes family?
Speaker 2: That would be cool, I was wondering. Yeah, she would.
Speaker 1: Hire into some pretty wild stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've been researching some stuff about you know,
Speaker 3: this booker for like Joe Rogan, this company it's called
Speaker 3: Disinformation Company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kenneth Anger was a part of this company. Uh.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of crazy because like the booker that's
Speaker 3: involved in this company does all this, he does a
Speaker 3: lot of big podcasters booking.
Speaker 2: So I've been kind of getting into that.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of weird satanic connections with a lot
Speaker 3: of these high up people.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's worse than you might think because Disinformation was started
Speaker 1: by a guy named Kurt Metzger who's a stone cold.
Speaker 2: Occult Metzger or.
Speaker 1: It's a different Metzker.
Speaker 3: No, you're right, because actually yesterday I found him. He's
Speaker 3: in that same place, this Information company.
Speaker 1: He started it. Yeah, he started there's a book called
Speaker 1: this Info. He sat down that Metzker. Guys. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to Kurt Metzker. It's a different medskirt. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he's around, but that guy he's interviewed some
Speaker 1: massive big wigs in the occult world, like Robert Anton
Speaker 1: Wilson who did all of the Illuminati cards and the
Speaker 1: inspiration for that, the Illuminatous trilogy. And also Metzker interviewed
Speaker 1: Genesis p Ord so that book as very close to that.
Speaker 1: And Kenneth angers around and that's the guy who books
Speaker 1: are Rogan No exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's my point.
Speaker 3: Like, so when you go from like a keynot to
Speaker 3: or Crowley to a keynot and then you kind of
Speaker 3: go from this mind wars and into the influencer world,
Speaker 3: it makes sense that you have people adjacent that are
Speaker 3: within these kind of major players.
Speaker 1: His name is Richard Metzker.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, I was wrong there, it is, yeah, And
Speaker 3: I looked up that they were of course if they
Speaker 3: were related or not.
Speaker 2: One aspect.
Speaker 3: And here he says, if you control time, you control
Speaker 3: the gods. I think that's interesting. He talks about time
Speaker 3: equals gods here and he says the culmination of chapter two,
Speaker 3: what we'll get past that systematically incrementally this chapter has
Speaker 3: led to the simple identification, indeed, the expos of four
Speaker 3: D as the actuality behind all concepts and images of
Speaker 3: the of an ou god slash the gods. So in short,
Speaker 3: big G slash little G equate to the totality of
Speaker 3: manifestations of change in the OU.
Speaker 2: So he speaks in weird codes.
Speaker 3: Here as you read it, but essentially he's talking about
Speaker 3: if you control time, you can control the big G
Speaker 3: little G gods. So a mind warrior is a person
Speaker 3: that ends up kind of learning how to do this
Speaker 3: is what he's trying to say. So point being, when
Speaker 3: you look at chat GPT and you look at the
Speaker 3: symbol there in the middle, you have like the hexagram,
Speaker 3: which is what you find on Saturn, which is the
Speaker 3: god of time, right, but around it or chain links.
Speaker 3: So it's essentially in chaining Saturn, right, so in chaining time.
Speaker 3: So again you know when you look at like the
Speaker 3: j the guy who just got caught from the White
Speaker 3: House Correspondence shooting, he's on a carpet. It's literally the
Speaker 3: black cubes, just like the Black Cube of Saturn, which
Speaker 3: is about time, and he worked at JPL, which connects
Speaker 3: to this time, you know, traveling through time like Trump
Speaker 3: apparently did, right, And I just did this whole episode
Speaker 3: on you know, this Trump time travel theory because there
Speaker 3: is so much anomalies that they created to make it
Speaker 3: look like he traveled through time. But in reality, I
Speaker 3: mean you can you can change metadata on a tweet
Speaker 3: and make it look like it was tweeted in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, you know, like that Kechius Maximus account right right, wow,
Speaker 3: And I mean Elon Musk literally had that as his
Speaker 3: profile picture for a long time, so it's he's not
Speaker 3: even original, you know what I mean, Like it makes
Speaker 3: sense that that would be you know changed instead. Just
Speaker 3: to add to this, Trump's a time traveler kind of theory, right,
Speaker 3: and if he controls time, he's God, right, so you
Speaker 3: know it adds to that as well. So thought Crimes
Speaker 3: talked about right here, you know, So as it gets
Speaker 3: into the book, it gets a little bit more innocuous.
Speaker 3: He talks about let me not because he has a
Speaker 3: lot of fluff. So a person's denying, for instance, women's
Speaker 3: right to control the functions of their own body styles
Speaker 3: themselves pro life, while to the threatened women, they're anti choice.
Speaker 3: And of course, nations as a whole prescribe certain terms
Speaker 3: while prescribing others.
Speaker 2: Proscribing others.
Speaker 3: Whether you are a freedom fighter or a terrorist is
Speaker 3: a decision reserved to your friendly neighborhood thought. So it's
Speaker 3: saying like the thought police are going to decide whether
Speaker 3: you're a good person or bad person. At the end
Speaker 3: of World War Two, the Allies felt sympathetic to European
Speaker 3: Jews suffering from suffering during the war, so the United
Speaker 3: States decided to give them a new sovereign nation of
Speaker 3: their own. Despite the fact that it was in Europe
Speaker 3: that the Jews had suffered. There was no question of
Speaker 3: any European nation, even the vanquished Germany and Italy, giving
Speaker 3: up any of their own territory for this magnanimous purpose.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a funny thing that he added in there. Instead,
Speaker 3: it was decided to give the Jews a completely uninvolved
Speaker 3: third parties land that of Palestine.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what this has to do with
Speaker 2: thought crime.
Speaker 3: I think it's ironically speaking about the Palestine and Gaza's
Speaker 3: the first place that they kind of enacted Pallenteer, which
Speaker 3: would be the thought police later, right, So that's kind
Speaker 3: of ironic to me though, interesting and the thought police thing,
Speaker 3: that's a huge one with Palenteer and with this whole
Speaker 3: knowing if you know, because I just saw a video
Speaker 3: just the other day, I saved it on X, I
Speaker 3: might try to pull it up in a minute if
Speaker 3: you have some stuff to bring up.
Speaker 2: But they were talking about how.
Speaker 3: Essentially thought police and how you know, you may act
Speaker 3: like you're okay with everything, but it can read your
Speaker 3: mind and know that you're not actually going along with it.
Speaker 2: And so that's something that's kind of coming.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I'm always trying to talk about,
Speaker 3: that you know, it's not gonna matter if you're acting
Speaker 3: like you're going along with the regime, like in North Korea.
Speaker 3: I think they were given North Korea was the example
Speaker 3: they used. It was at the WEF where they were
Speaker 3: talking about how North Korea, you know, for example, they
Speaker 3: could have this technology that if you're not actually for
Speaker 3: the regime. They can read your mind and know how
Speaker 3: your thoughts, actions, and emotions are actually rendering, and that's
Speaker 3: the plan.
Speaker 1: Channon Forbes was Kino's first wife. She died in at
Speaker 1: age forty one, very young. No shit, she died in
Speaker 1: eighty nine. Yeah, so then Lilith came after. I think
Speaker 1: it's because.
Speaker 3: He dedicated Mind Star Mind ward of Lilith, and that
Speaker 3: was his first book. So it's funny that he dated
Speaker 3: his last book to his earlier wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's odd too, Like it's around the time he's
Speaker 1: at Wachuka too, which ties him to the same military base.
Speaker 1: Is like all these guys around TPUSA. Yeah, and a
Speaker 1: Valelli who's like a board member or something like that.
Speaker 2: Well exactly, I mean, you know, he's so crazy, And
Speaker 2: that's what I mean by you know, the uh, these.
Speaker 3: Are the current iterations of what he was talking about,
Speaker 3: and I guess some of them took the time to
Speaker 3: really understand what he was trying to say in a
Speaker 3: lot of these books, you know, but it's it's a
Speaker 3: it's an indoctrination once you read all this and you
Speaker 3: start thinking this way. This definitely is worded in a
Speaker 3: way where you know, it's getting you to believe in
Speaker 3: this ideology.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Did you see today that Trump said in eight or
Speaker 3: nine years they'll get out of the office.
Speaker 1: I did not, But I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: That's that's all I'm thinking about that.
Speaker 1: I think that he's externalizing a lot of confusion and
Speaker 1: chaos and like deliberately, like I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: really all their mental but like you can't you can't
Speaker 1: trust anything that comes out of his mouth.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: So on page one hundred and four, you've got to
Speaker 3: get this far in here to kind of get some
Speaker 3: real information. He says, what we do as a geopolitical
Speaker 3: analysis firm, Stratford provides valuable context to global events that
Speaker 3: empowers businesses, governments, and individuals to confidently navigate an increasingly
Speaker 3: complex international environment. Found it twenty years ago around the
Speaker 3: principle that transformative world events are not random or in
Speaker 3: fact aren't in fact predictable. So he's talking about a
Speaker 3: company that was essentially it and like Palentteer, it takes
Speaker 3: data and it kind of predicts what could happen, and
Speaker 3: so it leverages a deep understanding of history, politics, geography
Speaker 3: along with our unique methodology, and so he talks about
Speaker 3: globally engaged individuals from the Fortune five hundred companies, universities,
Speaker 3: and organizations across an array of industries turned to stratf
Speaker 3: for objective geopolitical analysis and forecasting that reveals the underlying
Speaker 3: significance and future implications of emerging world events.
Speaker 2: So it's funny.
Speaker 3: This Stratford company seems to be one of the first
Speaker 3: iterations of kind of a pall Andeer oracle kind of
Speaker 3: situation where we're we're gonna we're gonna forecast what's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: and we can kind of pokeing prod certain buttons and
Speaker 3: see if it works.
Speaker 1: You're you're touching on these different corporations that have influenced
Speaker 1: the major culture. Because the guy from Stratfor is connected
Speaker 1: to Jones.
Speaker 2: Really yeah wow, here called it info Wars for a reason.
Speaker 2: I mean, how.
Speaker 1: Stratfars in Dallas, or it's in or it's in Austin
Speaker 1: the history of Stratfor is very strange.
Speaker 3: See, because I just was saying the other day, I
Speaker 3: was like, how could Alex have known thirty twenty seven
Speaker 3: years ago to call his company info Wars when you
Speaker 3: have mind Wars just kind of being made.
Speaker 2: Nobody knew about that, you know.
Speaker 1: The world's leading geopolitical intelligence forum. That's what it at
Speaker 1: least was back in the day.
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that Jones was connected to that.
Speaker 1: That's so clear. God, there's some connection between Jones and Stratford,
Speaker 1: and it's in my mind somewhere for It's very opaque.
Speaker 1: It's not like overt. Yeah, there is some connection. I
Speaker 1: have to remember it. Let me see if you find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I see Nefin there talking about jd Vance and Erica
Speaker 3: Kirk looking like brother and sister.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, the Janet chick that he dedicated this
Speaker 3: to looks a lot like Erica Kirk. Janet Aquino like,
Speaker 3: she looks just like her, kind of kind of pretty,
Speaker 3: not as crazy looking as Lilith is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really she looks actually kind of semi wholesome moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I want to say that his first wife
Speaker 3: was actually like Christian or something. If not mistakennic, let's
Speaker 3: see Alex Jones and Stratford.
Speaker 1: Exam. This is not my article, guys, this is somebody else.
Speaker 1: I knew that there was something here. Investigation published in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve operational connections to Stratford Strategic Forecasting and private
Speaker 1: and intelligence firm headquartered in Austin. That's where Jones is.
Speaker 1: That is. The allegation sparked a series of responses, counter allegations,
Speaker 1: and events that raised questions about the relationships between alternative media,
Speaker 1: private intelligence firms, and goverment agencies. They started in Austin
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, right around when Jones started his
Speaker 1: media career the same year ninety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Mine Wars was written right around ninety six.
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to say the book itself, the
Speaker 3: actual book came out right around then.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 3: So that's crazy because right here it talks about what
Speaker 3: they did in their methodology. Here are analysis can begin
Speaker 3: with a flood of open source information. Then they filter
Speaker 3: out the noise and unearth emerging paradigm's, challenge assumptions and
Speaker 3: reconcile conflicting truth. So imagine like social media, right, they
Speaker 3: do the same thing on there, and they're data collecting
Speaker 3: our reactions so they can kind of, you know, course
Speaker 3: correct for the propaganda.
Speaker 2: It seems like it.
Speaker 1: Was released in wiki leaks that there was a Stratford
Speaker 1: Jones connection.
Speaker 2: No shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So February twenty seventh of March twenty twelve and
Speaker 1: Forrest published at least a dozen stories with Stratford Stratford
Speaker 1: emails in their headlines. The volume of Stratford related content
Speaker 1: was unprecedented for the site.
Speaker 3: No wonder he was hammering on that Hilary Clinton aspects
Speaker 3: to WikiLeaks.
Speaker 2: He's like, don't look over here.
Speaker 1: Stratford email mentioned Jones, and email stated that the government
Speaker 1: should release photographs to shut down the lunatics like Alex
Speaker 1: Jones and Glenn Beck.
Speaker 2: Glenn Beck, huh. I never really listened to him. What
Speaker 2: was he all about? Did you listen? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't follow them. I don't listen to
Speaker 1: Jones anymore. I went through a Jones period, like or
Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, but then I'd had enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still I kind of have enough. He's so ever
Speaker 1: present that I don't have a choice but to listen
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like he shows up my social media. But
Speaker 1: I mean some of the stuff that he's done recently
Speaker 1: is just garbage. It's gobbled.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, they shut down.
Speaker 1: And conspiracy smack type stuff.
Speaker 3: No topic it had to be getting to him that
Speaker 3: nobody's taking him seriously anymore, you know, recently, so they're like,
Speaker 3: all right, let's shut it down, shut.
Speaker 1: It down and restart, rebrand, just like Tucker.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what they do. I think Tucker is
Speaker 3: the next iteration of the whole thing. You know this
Speaker 3: everybody's pushing for this third party with Tucker leading it,
Speaker 3: just like I've been saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe somebody in the chat knows more about the
Speaker 1: Stratford connections, but.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I'm gonna have to add that in with
Speaker 3: my Disinfoco episode.
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, there's that one article. I think this
Speaker 1: is one of many articles. I think that there's like
Speaker 1: other articles about this.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll be digging into that.
Speaker 3: That's crazy because I know that well, I know like Mappin,
Speaker 3: that billionaire Mappin has a connection with Candice and him
Speaker 3: via the lawyer or something they share for like, you know,
Speaker 3: his Sandy Hook situation, and uh I think she received
Speaker 3: yeah he got Yeah, they both have the same lawyer
Speaker 3: with the Sandy Hook situation. And then John Mappin, who
Speaker 3: introduced her to Charlie Kirk, is somebody where she gets
Speaker 3: connected with like Charlie from a long time ago, but yeah,
Speaker 3: very crazy and you know her dad was that like
Speaker 3: Sandy Hook is a maintenance guy or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something weird like that, Alex and Alex Jones hire
Speaker 1: a CIA Stratford agent as his editor, Like this is
Speaker 1: what's going on? Yeah, no, it's like crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, you see, they're trying to say that there was
Speaker 3: a guy within Info Wars that was sabotaging Alex Jones
Speaker 3: show trying to like divert it to somebody else within
Speaker 3: his organization. That just came out recently. I forgot his name.
Speaker 3: It's like Mark or something. I don't know the people
Speaker 3: that work at at uh in for Wars. But so
Speaker 3: it gets into the Hudson Institute after this. Do you
Speaker 3: know anything about connections with that?
Speaker 1: No, but Hudson Institute pops up a lot, and also
Speaker 1: the world government, World federal government is heavy CIA stuff.
Speaker 1: Like one of the founders of Operation Mockingbird started that
Speaker 1: his name Okay, he had a funny first name. It'll
Speaker 1: come to me, but he was he was heavily involved
Speaker 1: in that. So it's interesting to see a Keno mention that, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets into uh, I'm trying to see if
Speaker 3: there's any Tavistock in the Hudson Institute.
Speaker 1: World Future Society.
Speaker 3: He talked about Hudson Institute challenges conventional thinking and helps
Speaker 3: manage strategic transitions to the future through introdis plenary studies
Speaker 3: in defense, uh, international relations, economics, health, cars, healthcare, and technology. So,
Speaker 3: like you said, the mockingbird situation makes sense that would
Speaker 3: come out of here if they're focused on conventional thinking.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that he mentioned stratfor in this book. Incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's promoting stratfor. That is like disinfo or
Speaker 1: something like this.
Speaker 2: He talked.
Speaker 3: He talks about the military industrial complex being the reason
Speaker 3: why JFK got killed because the day after he took
Speaker 3: him out of Vietnam or something, they like, you know,
Speaker 3: killed him or something something close to that. Uh, maybe
Speaker 3: it wasn't the Vietnam but Bay Pigs one of those
Speaker 3: where he said that the military industrial complex killed him.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was kind of crazy to say
Speaker 2: in a book.
Speaker 3: You know, right as a general, you know, for the
Speaker 3: military to say that it was the military industrial complex
Speaker 3: that killed the president surprising. I didn't expect to see
Speaker 3: that in one of his books. So the CIA, it
Speaker 3: talks about uh, contrary to its popular images a behind
Speaker 3: the green door tree for it. The Central Intelligence Intelligence
Speaker 3: Agency both publishes and makes web search available vast quantities
Speaker 3: of information Pert's website, unclassified current publications to basic references
Speaker 3: reports the maps. So it says the World Factbook provides
Speaker 3: information on the history, people, government, economy, and so it
Speaker 3: should be added that the DOS and CIA also attempt
Speaker 3: to be responsive to public requests for specialized FOYA formalities
Speaker 3: and simply send them a letter with your question. So
Speaker 3: he's just kind of advocating for the CIA a little bit.
Speaker 3: He's so, Yeah, they got a whole database. You can
Speaker 3: get all kinds of info from them.
Speaker 1: The guy's name was cord Meyer. He was one of
Speaker 1: the top guys from the CIA, and he's one of
Speaker 1: the United World Federalists. Like I think it's associated with
Speaker 1: the WFS, the World Federalist Society Future Society.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I've heard of that. I didn't look into
Speaker 2: that very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's UWF as World, United World Federalists as what.
Speaker 1: So it's overlaps. But he's a very interesting guy's a
Speaker 1: whole other story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I've been did you.
Speaker 3: I'll have to send you this thing about just because
Speaker 3: it's off topic, about to send you this thing about Epstein.
Speaker 3: And do you know about like Leslie Epstein and Philip
Speaker 3: Epstein like from Hollywood got indicted for like communism and
Speaker 3: Hollywood by the Warner brother.
Speaker 1: I've heard of that name. Yeahs, I've heard of Leslie Epstein's.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Epstein's.
Speaker 3: Well, Jeffy no, but Jeffrey Epstein's dad, Seymour Epstein, went
Speaker 3: to the war in forty one and then it was
Speaker 3: his history was done. And then in nineteen fifty six,
Speaker 3: right after Philip Epstein got indicted in Hollywood, he disappears
Speaker 3: or he.
Speaker 2: Died rather from a heart attack at forty two, and.
Speaker 3: Then Seymour Epstein out of nowhere gets married that year
Speaker 3: over and you know, the Coney Island and has Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: This was the father of Leslie Epstein who wrote the
Speaker 3: book King of the Jews. So it's like a weird
Speaker 3: like cross, like they look like brothers. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's just a little thing I would look into with.
Speaker 1: I think jeff was born in nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 2: Jeff Epstein was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein, the Jeffrey Epstein. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's well.
Speaker 2: I wonder how they why, I mean, you can't trust much.
Speaker 3: Maybe fifty two, I said fifty six. Maybe it was
Speaker 3: fifty two, because fifty two I believe he gets married
Speaker 3: and then Coney Island he moves there and then has
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: It could have been fifty two.
Speaker 3: So I have to double for a year because it's
Speaker 3: very close to what you're saying, So that really runs
Speaker 3: into the timeline.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Philip Epstein, you know, apparently died.
Speaker 1: January twentieth, nineteen fifty three. Jeffrey Edward Epstein.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: And then I wonder when when did Seymour Epstein get married?
Speaker 1: Well, let's find out. Let's see if he happened.
Speaker 3: He got married, just because I'm curious, But you got married,
Speaker 3: let me see here, nineteen fifty two. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 3: the year that And then now watch this, when did
Speaker 3: Philip Epstein.
Speaker 2: He died of a heart attack?
Speaker 3: And that's so crazy that one of the Warner brothers
Speaker 3: testified against this guy nineteen forty. Is this the same guy?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if this the same guy. I'd have
Speaker 3: to see. But it's crazy that that one of the
Speaker 3: Warner brothers testified against these guys for communism.
Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty two he dies.
Speaker 3: So Philip Epstein dies in nineteen fifty two at age
Speaker 3: forty two from a heart attack. He was one of
Speaker 3: the people who co wrote Casablanca.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Like the Epstein's came here from Germany co write, you know,
Speaker 3: they go to Hollywood co write Casablanca, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden people start pointing at him. There's a
Speaker 3: huge political turmoil in Hollywood for communism. And then he
Speaker 3: dies of a heart attack that same year, the Seymour
Speaker 3: Epstein guy, it's almost like his identity got used, even
Speaker 3: though he died in a war or something. And then boom,
Speaker 3: he gets married, goes to Coney Island, has Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 3: and he had already had Leslie, and so that's why
Speaker 3: it's like, what's up with that, you know? And then
Speaker 3: Leslie writes a book that Leslie writes a book about
Speaker 3: like Donald Trump essentially, or is somebody like him, I
Speaker 3: don't know, some odd stuff, man, some odd stuff.
Speaker 1: It's so strange, man, it is so freaking strange that
Speaker 1: you mentioned Stratford and disinfo because that's like one of
Speaker 1: the lesser known thing about Rogan. It's not just his
Speaker 1: connection to the Epstein network. It's like he is tied
Speaker 1: into Satanist's brow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was at that one.
Speaker 3: He was at that one guy's wedding, and that was,
Speaker 3: for a the longest time, the only kind of evidence
Speaker 3: you had.
Speaker 2: But then the Disinfoco kind of really opens it all up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but he has
Speaker 1: this one guy, he's a repeat guest on there. He's
Speaker 1: very close associates with Damian Eccles of the West Memphis three.
Speaker 3: So it's like yeah, shit, okay, yeah, and you know
Speaker 3: a lot about the West Memphis Three. I remember I
Speaker 3: spoke out a turn on that thinking that they didn't
Speaker 3: you know, that they didn't do it, but they definitely Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're convicted at law, Like I understand what convictions mean.
Speaker 1: That means that you've gone through the process. They're actually
Speaker 1: strange because they've been convicted twice. And I would argue
Speaker 1: I probably know more about the West Memphis three than
Speaker 1: even the lawyers who worked on it back in nineteen.
Speaker 2: Ninety sixty, right, I mean, you have that back.
Speaker 1: Because they just moved on, Like I have the long
Speaker 1: range view that looks back through the whole case, right
Speaker 1: and just you know, prosecute and move forward.
Speaker 2: Man, some more evidence comes up. Get there, ass.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this when I when I published my
Speaker 1: first when I published my book about the West Memphis Three,
Speaker 1: I was a very you know, small group of people
Speaker 1: who kind of understood the case, like because the public
Speaker 1: believed that he was innocent and he was railroad for
Speaker 1: a crime he didn't commit. But once I published that,
Speaker 1: they took my book and they put it up on
Speaker 1: the Arkansas Supreme Court website. You can actually go through
Speaker 1: the wayback machine right around twenty twelve, so they the
Speaker 1: Arkansas Supreme Court recommended my book as the book about
Speaker 1: the West Memphis Three.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's kind of like a feather in my cap.
Speaker 1: I have a screenshot of it somewhere.
Speaker 2: No, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Echols is close to this guy. It's called there
Speaker 1: was a show called Midnight Climax or something like that.
Speaker 1: I've heard it, yeah, and the guy's name is.
Speaker 3: I think it was LaVey's grandson's wedding. He was at
Speaker 3: two or son, there's a picture of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it wasn't that. I have to find a
Speaker 1: guest name out. It wasn't Midnight Climax. It's something else,
Speaker 1: Purple Midnight.
Speaker 2: Well. Ben Gertzel is another weird one, Like you know that.
Speaker 3: That guy's a weird guy to have on and he
Speaker 3: was in the Epstein files, like you know, pretty it
Speaker 3: seemed like talk to Epstein a pretty good amount.
Speaker 1: Midnight. The guy's name is Charles Duncan Trussell and he
Speaker 1: did something oh Midnight Gospel that featured Damien Knuckles.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, dude, Duncan Trustle's connected to him. So
Speaker 3: that's crazy because my favorite episodes for the longest time
Speaker 3: before I got real deep into this kind of like
Speaker 3: started to wake up a little more was Duncan Trussell
Speaker 3: and Joe Rogan episodes and Duncan Trustle will come on
Speaker 3: and he was He's very uh, man, it's hard to explain.
Speaker 3: He's like the weirdest like hippie mixed with like Buddhist
Speaker 3: kind so deep at it though, like it really makes
Speaker 3: you like, man, I love how he's talking. Uh.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things where it's.
Speaker 3: Like but then now I've kind of looked back and
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, that the dude's an idiot. But either way,
Speaker 3: that's crazy. I had no idea he was connected to them.
Speaker 3: Doesn't shock me at all.
Speaker 1: Though he was featured in the Midnight Gospel ecchos was
Speaker 1: kind of in a positive way, so like the I
Speaker 1: think the Hollywood people have been involved in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you say Midnight Gospel, it rang a bell.
Speaker 3: But I did not connect Duncan Trussel. But now that
Speaker 3: you said that, I know that that was his show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was his show he made. And I didn't know
Speaker 3: he had echoes in there.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you want to have a bad And he
Speaker 1: was on Tim Poole and Tim Poole just like log
Speaker 1: roll for Ecchoes the whole time. It's kind of it
Speaker 1: is outside of this, but it's not the reason that
Speaker 1: it's not outside of this is because there isn't a cult,
Speaker 1: a culted underground of a Kino involved in TPUs a
Speaker 1: modern type stuff disinformation to rogue in Midnight Gospel, West
Speaker 1: Memphis Street to Trussel. So there is a something underneath
Speaker 1: our common culture.
Speaker 3: They're trying to generate a culture, and they're pointing I
Speaker 3: believe they're pointing at design as called in like the
Speaker 3: whole like you know, the Jewish Hollywood and all this
Speaker 3: to trying to really drive this culture more into being
Speaker 3: the normal one. Uh you know, we're yeah, we're not
Speaker 3: going to get a better alternate to what we already
Speaker 3: have been given.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, wow, yeah no, So there's a lot there.
Speaker 2: It's very related though.
Speaker 3: Every influencer I believe is the next generation of this
Speaker 3: same kind of mind war campaign. So that's why it's
Speaker 3: it's good to cross reference with what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: But that's why they get elevated. That's why these guys
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they have a million freaking followers
Speaker 1: on YouTube, is because they're part of the club. They're
Speaker 1: called part of the club. Man.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3: So it talks about false flags here as well. He
Speaker 3: just kind of defines it covert attack stage to appear
Speaker 3: conducted by a nation or group other than oneself. They
Speaker 3: are used to attack one's own territory in people, as
Speaker 3: George Orwell indifferently observed in nineteen eighty four, domestic populations
Speaker 3: emotionally reject believing that their own governments would kill Some
Speaker 3: are even many of them merely to excuse attacking a
Speaker 3: foreign target such as appalling not just routine, but unremarkably so,
Speaker 3: so that's all he had to say about it. So
Speaker 3: it's he didn't say it's a bad thing necessarily either.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not saying this is deplorable, we should
Speaker 3: never do it. He's saying no, I mean, the population
Speaker 3: kind of rejects the idea that we would do that,
Speaker 3: almost to give it credence that we should. So my
Speaker 3: more contrast, talks about the enemy as a definition. Humans
Speaker 3: are not harmed nor their property destroyed, because they're never
Speaker 3: defined as the enemy. Rather, the enemy is the probable
Speaker 3: situation itself against which all involved humans are in alliance
Speaker 3: to overcome. So that's a weird definition. It's an odd definition.
Speaker 3: So what does that even mean? The enemy is the
Speaker 3: problem situation itself. That reminds me of like my you know,
Speaker 3: the hive mind kind of like idea, you know.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he talks about the aristos here a little
Speaker 3: bit more, where we kind of try to define it
Speaker 3: last time, and it was a little bit, a little
Speaker 3: bit hard. He says that mcavelly is combination of virtue
Speaker 3: and occasion resulting in Ordini.
Speaker 2: Dude, he uses crazy words.
Speaker 3: It would be quite possibly to limit the mind ware
Speaker 3: campaign campaign to this implicit practicality of aristos and he
Speaker 3: again doesn't give it a very good definition. See, it's
Speaker 3: this ultra vague vagueness that they use that really just
Speaker 3: makes me, you know, because you can't honestly, Mind Wars
Speaker 3: is the main book that you can draw a lot
Speaker 3: out of. The rest of these are kind of just
Speaker 3: like him, musing, musing as he writes, that's what a
Speaker 3: lot of these other books are. It's like you're stepping
Speaker 3: into a psycho's brain, right.
Speaker 1: It's one of the kind of central components of a
Speaker 1: lot of Satanists is getting into other people's minds and
Speaker 1: mind control. So it even pre dates this kind of
Speaker 1: system type of thing like MK ultra. But you I've
Speaker 1: read I've had the misfortune reading a lot of Crowley
Speaker 1: in Lovey and a Chino, and it's always like mimetics, subtle,
Speaker 1: you know, get into the unconscious. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: a neuro linguistic programming, so people don't know they're being influenced,
Speaker 1: so it's just kind of dark influence. I've actually a
Speaker 1: book did a book discussion with a guy who wrote
Speaker 1: a known psychiatrist who wrote a book called Dark Influence.
Speaker 1: And you see this, like LaVey had books about my control.
Speaker 1: They were all into it. Marilyn Manson too, they're all
Speaker 1: and and Echols for that matter.
Speaker 3: And it's how you it's how you speak, it's the
Speaker 3: way you talk, it's how you know. It's the shortening
Speaker 3: of words and just different things like that that really
Speaker 3: gets in your brain. Yeah, that's why I don't like to, uh, like,
Speaker 3: I read the Have you ever read the Satanic Bible.
Speaker 1: I've read everything, dude, I've read the Satanic Bible. I've
Speaker 1: read like what else whatever LaVey has written back in
Speaker 1: the day. And I didn't understand that number nine, his
Speaker 1: number nine and stuff like that. I wasn't aware of that.
Speaker 1: Now I understand the power number and all that.
Speaker 3: And that's where the nine A comes from, right, that's
Speaker 3: the whole old nine A and everything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine gates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the power. It's like the most powerful number
Speaker 1: before the numbers start repeating themselves exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because like in astrology some of the
Speaker 3: New Age philosophy, you'll read that nine is the uh
Speaker 3: it lasts imperfect number before the perfect, so it's like
Speaker 3: kind of venerated in a weird way. But it seems
Speaker 3: to be that nine would be almost implicit of the
Speaker 3: Luciferian false light because it's not quite the perfect, it's
Speaker 3: the imperfect, and so it's kind of a weird thing there,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, bring up Leve. He has like the nine
Speaker 1: dictims of like Satanism, you know, so it's like they're
Speaker 1: not eight, there's not ten. And that's the whole thing
Speaker 1: about eleven is like it skips over the perfect number ten,
Speaker 1: the dryad or whatever they call it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's like it's like double masculine two,
Speaker 3: which seems to be makes sense that.
Speaker 2: It would be part of the left hand path.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: So, you know, there's one point where he talks about
Speaker 3: the left hand path as a matter of fact in here,
Speaker 3: and he says that, you know, it's been kind of
Speaker 3: looked at, you know, bad, but you know, making yourself
Speaker 3: one as God is not like a bad thing. So
Speaker 3: he kind of justifies the idea of making your you know,
Speaker 3: doing the left hand path when it comes to you know,
Speaker 3: witchcraft or satanism.
Speaker 1: They all do, that's all. They're all making it good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets into this, this idea of the pyramid structure,
Speaker 3: where at.
Speaker 2: The bottom of it is here, hold on, let me
Speaker 2: get to it.
Speaker 3: Here at the bottom of it is homeostasis. And the
Speaker 3: way you achieve that is, of course at the very top,
Speaker 3: we'll skip to the top. Here there's parapolitics, right, and
Speaker 3: then you know above that would be agathon or the good,
Speaker 3: and so there's the archetypes and pure vision. So they
Speaker 3: use the archetypes to kind of manipulate you at the top,
Speaker 3: and then down below that would be thinking, which would
Speaker 3: be your thinking, right, So they use archetypes to thinking,
Speaker 3: and then below would be believing, right, So they get
Speaker 3: you to believe in things, and then of course gets
Speaker 3: you to imagine things at the bottom, which I don't
Speaker 3: know what that has, it's pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 3: And then of course achieving homeostasis. So it's a top
Speaker 3: down kind of pyramidal structure that he and of course
Speaker 3: at the top is like a son almost like a god,
Speaker 3: which I believe that he looks at it as each
Speaker 3: initiate would be that, right, So each initiate puts down
Speaker 3: the the pure vision to change your thinking and believing,
Speaker 3: and then of course now you achieve the homeostasis, which
Speaker 3: is control.
Speaker 1: Right, it's all the same, man, it's all the same.
Speaker 1: Everybody shall be as gods. There's no god but man,
Speaker 1: luck Crowley. These guys are all similar. That's why they
Speaker 1: have to break off and start their own religion because
Speaker 1: they're thinking it's too similar. They have to kind of
Speaker 1: rebrand it almost. But in all the core philosophies and
Speaker 1: ideas are still.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I know this better than you do.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it the way I know it, you know,
Speaker 3: And they reword it their way. But it's the same thing,
Speaker 3: and it's different yep, Like like Ben says, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just a different pig with a different lipstick on,
Speaker 3: shade lipstick on.
Speaker 1: Indeed, there's there's that is the truth.
Speaker 3: Uh So here I'm almost to this one kind of
Speaker 3: interesting part that I found War is Peace I kind
Speaker 3: of talked about a little bit ago.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It just goes into George Orwell and how he kind
Speaker 3: of how he had it right. And this kind of
Speaker 3: double think, this double speak, and this politics it together
Speaker 3: kind of gets people to kind of come against one enemy,
Speaker 3: and we forget about the problems we have here at home,
Speaker 3: and so war ends up being peace in the homeland
Speaker 3: because we've got somebody to go after. And that's why
Speaker 3: we're always in a perpetual state of war in America,
Speaker 3: because we're not focusing on the degregation going on here
Speaker 3: as much. It's getting hard to ignore now, but for
Speaker 3: a while it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, La looks like a third world country. It's a
Speaker 1: total dun't. They can't even pave the roads, like at
Speaker 1: a basic level, Like I've literally seen the civilization like
Speaker 1: circle the toilet. It's incredible.
Speaker 2: I know, I was there.
Speaker 3: Last time I was there, I think it was in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, and so it was right before it kind
Speaker 3: of really got down trodden after, you know, during COVID
Speaker 3: and after.
Speaker 1: They literally have like shutdowns on the freaking freeway so
Speaker 1: you can't get on the freeway. They shut it down
Speaker 1: and like just do circles like it's from a scene
Speaker 1: in The Joker. I'm not exaggerating. The police are incompetent
Speaker 1: and incapable of like ameliorating the problems, and there's no
Speaker 1: political will to do it. They're not tough, they're weak, so.
Speaker 2: And they want it. They want that kind of society
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 1: Think they want to destroy the society.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to society, yeah, because then once you
Speaker 3: get that, you have a reason to institute the police state.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, you need people begging for it, like Kissinger Stead.
Speaker 3: You know, they'll be begging for the you know, National
Speaker 3: Guard on every corner, That's what I mean. You know,
Speaker 3: guns on every corner. That's something mentioned in this book
Speaker 3: as well. Guns on every corner is some thing that
Speaker 3: would make things a lot more safe and a lot better.
Speaker 3: So this is their idea of making a good world.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, it's incredible. They haven't fixed like you know,
Speaker 1: part of the city burnt down, Pacific palacids. They haven't
Speaker 1: fixed it at all. That right, So that's the agenda.
Speaker 1: The agenda is to destroy.
Speaker 3: It, burn it all down, sure, yeah, and build this metropolis.
Speaker 3: Here we are on a page one, sixty sixty six
Speaker 3: towards the end, and as I said, it seems like
Speaker 3: as you go through it, it's the progression of what
Speaker 3: we've seen in our society where it talks about wars,
Speaker 3: peace and not long after this techno state. The nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties political science circles was increasingly speculation, indeed, anticipation of
Speaker 3: an impending eclipse of the centuries familiar nation state frame
Speaker 3: of reference by a new monster called the multinational corporation.
Speaker 2: So the largest business ventures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in the sixties, I guess corporatism started to
Speaker 3: grow out of World War II too. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of people that think that the Nazis took a lot
Speaker 3: of their money that they had and started these corporations,
Speaker 3: and so this corporatism consumerism kind of started to grow
Speaker 3: after and if you think about it, it leads to the
Speaker 3: fascist state that the Nazis kind of started. And where
Speaker 3: we're at now, where you know, meta Facebook, can you
Speaker 3: know censor you? Because they're a private company, right, So
Speaker 3: that's your way to get this fascist kind of state
Speaker 3: where if the government can't do it, then the private
Speaker 3: companies can.
Speaker 2: And so I think that this kind of started after
Speaker 2: World War Two.
Speaker 3: But point being, he starts to kind of lay out
Speaker 3: this growth of this movement, and he said, as the
Speaker 3: decades rolled on, the spectrumdeed materialized, but along with the
Speaker 3: came a derivative, arguably even more sinister, the transformation of
Speaker 3: human values into technological ones. So Traditionally, the biological human
Speaker 3: being has been the substance of society, whether individually or
Speaker 3: in mass. But along with the proliferation of computers and
Speaker 3: smartphones and other population pervasiveibernetics came the gradual revaluation of
Speaker 3: humans not as users of, but as used by these appendages.
Speaker 3: So he talked about the conquest of organic life by
Speaker 3: inorganic machines has long been the staple of science fiction
Speaker 3: like I Robot, The Humanoids, and Battlestar Galactica. But what
Speaker 3: parents and educators are suddenly worrying about is something much
Speaker 3: more subtle and unnervingly science fact that iPhone suckle generations
Speaker 3: are growing up conditioned to process thoughts more like the
Speaker 3: machines who are increasingly their actual babysitters, friends, and teachers.
Speaker 3: This transition from organic analogic to inorganic digitalogic sacrifices in
Speaker 3: tangibles and abstractions for the speed and precision of either
Speaker 3: or simplification.
Speaker 2: So he's one hundred percent right here.
Speaker 3: Along the way, the metaphysical divine soul of the individual
Speaker 3: human being is first ignored and then disregarded, finally intentionally
Speaker 3: destroyed as an irrelevant obsolescence. So he seems to pose
Speaker 3: against this in a weird way. That's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: Even the most venerable university is besieged by a generation
Speaker 3: of students, desperate for a foothold in the increasingly competitive
Speaker 3: and shrinking technological job market, are neglecting the humanities in
Speaker 3: favor of career practical curricula. So he talked about orwell,
Speaker 3: by twenty fifty earlier, probably all real knowledge of old
Speaker 3: speak will have disappeared.
Speaker 2: The whole literature of the Yeah, this is a quote.
Speaker 3: From that book of the past will have been destroyed Shakespeare,
Speaker 3: Milton Byron. They'll exist only in new speak versions, not
Speaker 3: merely changed into something different, but actually changed into something contradictory.
Speaker 3: And if you remember, they want to shorten everything to
Speaker 3: one word in that book. Every generation, we want to
Speaker 3: short it down, kind of like btw lol. And you
Speaker 3: know we've started that kind of little bit of a tiptoe.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, that's in. In fact, there will be
Speaker 3: no thought as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking,
Speaker 3: not needing to think. In Orthodoxy is unconsciousness, and that's
Speaker 3: where where they're trying to lead us.
Speaker 2: And and you know whether or not this guy wanted
Speaker 2: them to.
Speaker 3: They're using his like blueprint to do it, and that's
Speaker 3: the irony of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: What's interesting in some of these books, it's kind of
Speaker 1: the revelation of the method type thing. This is what
Speaker 1: you see their thing, and that's the like one of
Speaker 1: the takeaways from mind Slop to mind Wark is this
Speaker 1: is what they're talking about in military these huge military
Speaker 1: places like Wahoojah or wherever they write, they sit around
Speaker 1: and write theeces and masters, you know, theces and like
Speaker 1: on this type of subject. So this is what's kind
Speaker 1: of led out from these military brag and these other
Speaker 1: places where these guys are writing stuff for just interior
Speaker 1: for the military. They're not writing it for the public.
Speaker 1: And so that's what that's what they're This is like
Speaker 1: what they're thinking. And you you don't even have to
Speaker 1: hear what they say because we can see it's being implemented. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like we can just see it with our own eyes.
Speaker 3: I call it mental masturbation. A lot of these people
Speaker 3: participate in. It's just you know, they're just sitting there
Speaker 3: and just just you know, listening to themselves muse and rights,
Speaker 3: and they just feel like they're just kind of in
Speaker 3: their zone and they're just like the best, the best
Speaker 3: to ever do it, you know, they're just like they're.
Speaker 2: Just so full of themselves.
Speaker 3: And you can see it come through the writing because
Speaker 3: a lot of it isn't even coherent. It's stuff that
Speaker 3: only they can understand because they feel like they're just
Speaker 3: so intelligent that they're speaking on this other level. And
Speaker 3: it's not really like that intelligent when you break it down.
Speaker 3: It's it's like stuff that you implicitly know instinctively that
Speaker 3: they're wording in a way that makes it super complicated.
Speaker 2: That's what I've noticed.
Speaker 3: With a lot of writings, and it kind of gets
Speaker 3: annoying and boring after a while because you're like, dude,
Speaker 3: you're not doing anything. You guys are all saying the
Speaker 3: same thing as we spoke about earlier.
Speaker 1: You're all saying the same stuff. It's the old story
Speaker 1: all the way back into the garden. I guess is
Speaker 1: the way to put you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the last thing he ever wrote was this.
Speaker 3: He put in like a like a little excerpt. It's
Speaker 3: this afterward, and I guess we could finish with this
Speaker 3: out of this and we'll do mine stars sometime now.
Speaker 2: That we kind of laid out. This was just kind
Speaker 2: of a yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just a lot of, like I said,
Speaker 3: musing about all these different topics. You know, one thing though,
Speaker 3: really quick, this does say disarmament. It is not just
Speaker 3: atomic weaponry that poses a danger to humanity. The proliferation
Speaker 3: of conventional armaments is proving every bit is lethal and
Speaker 3: unlike nukes is everywhere in cywar use. So you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of different things in here. It's every
Speaker 3: aspect of our life they want to change and effect
Speaker 3: with mind war. So that's kind of the gist of
Speaker 3: this whole book. You know, whether it's the ocean, whether
Speaker 3: it's water. He even talks about water can be used
Speaker 3: against people. I just did an episode about manufacturing and
Speaker 3: water and food crisis, and it seems like they're trying
Speaker 3: to do that now. And you know, this is part
Speaker 3: of that same kind of thing. So this afterward here
Speaker 3: it's called The Prince and the Magician. So it says,
Speaker 3: once upon a time there was a young prince who
Speaker 3: believed in all things but three. He did not believe
Speaker 3: in princesses, he did not believe in islands, and he
Speaker 3: did not believe in God. His father, the King, told
Speaker 3: him that such things did not exist, as there were
Speaker 3: only princesses, islands or islands in his father's domains, and
Speaker 3: no sign of God. The young prince believed his father.
Speaker 3: One day, the prince ran away from his palace and
Speaker 3: he came to the next land. There is, to his astonishment,
Speaker 3: from every coast he saw islands, and on these islands
Speaker 3: strange and troubling creatures, from whom he dared not name.
Speaker 3: And as he was searching for a boat, a man
Speaker 3: in full evening dress approached him along the shore. Are
Speaker 3: those real islands, asked the young prince. Of course they are,
Speaker 3: said the man in the evening dress. And those strange
Speaker 3: and troubling creatures, well, they are genuine and authentic princesses.
Speaker 3: Then God must exist, cried the prince. I am God,
Speaker 3: replied the man in full evening dress with a bow.
Speaker 3: The young prince returned home as as quickly as he could.
Speaker 3: So you were back, said his father the King. I
Speaker 3: have seen the islands, and I've seen princesses. I've seen God,
Speaker 3: said the prince reproachfully, and the King was unmoved. Neither
Speaker 3: real islands nor real princesses, nor real God exists, and
Speaker 3: he said, I saw them. He said, tell me how
Speaker 3: God was dressed. Well, God was in full evening dress,
Speaker 3: where the sleeves of his coat rolled back, and the
Speaker 3: prince remembered that they had been.
Speaker 2: Well, that is the uniform of a magician. You have
Speaker 2: been deceived.
Speaker 3: At this, the prince returned to the next land and
Speaker 3: went to the same shore, where once again he came
Speaker 3: upon the man in full evening dress, and he said,
Speaker 3: my father, the king has told me who you are.
Speaker 3: And the young prince indignantly he sat there while he said,
Speaker 3: you deceived me the last time, but not again. Now
Speaker 3: I know that you are not real in islands and
Speaker 3: real princesses, because you are a magician. And the man
Speaker 3: on the show who are smiled. The end of this
Speaker 3: is very interesting. It is you who are deceived, my boy.
Speaker 3: In your father's kingdom, there are many islands and many princesses,
Speaker 3: but you were under your father's spell, so you cannot
Speaker 3: see them. And so the prince returned pensively home. When
Speaker 3: he saw his father, he looked at him in the eyes. Father,
Speaker 3: it is true that you are not a real king,
Speaker 3: but only a magician, And the king smiled and rolled
Speaker 3: his sleeves back. Yes, my son, I'm only a magician.
Speaker 3: Then the man on the shore was God. The man
Speaker 3: on the shore was another magician. So I must know
Speaker 3: the real truth beyond magic. There is no truth beyond magic,
Speaker 3: said the king. The prince was full of sadness. He said,
Speaker 3: I will kill myself. The king, by magic, caused death
Speaker 3: to appear. Death stood in the door and beckoned to
Speaker 3: the prince. The prince shuddered. He remembered the beauty and
Speaker 3: the unreal islands and the unreal beauty of princesses. Very well,
Speaker 3: he said, I can bear it. And he said, you see,
Speaker 3: my son, you too now have become a magician. So
Speaker 3: he faced death and came up. It's this death and
Speaker 3: rebirth with like facing death. His dad's a magician. There's
Speaker 3: nothing past magician. There's no God. It's only the magician.
Speaker 3: He's saying, like, there is no god, it's only man
Speaker 3: that becomes God through magic. Very interesting. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: what that's what I took out of that. Did you
Speaker 3: take anything else oude of that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But I think that that's the common theme, like all
Speaker 1: these guys are magicians, Like, that's what he talked about. Exactly,
Speaker 1: magic in theory and practice, the ability to change reality
Speaker 1: or time and space that can conformance with your own will.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: It even goes up to trump like the magician card
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff like that's he's beyond a liar.
Speaker 1: He's like reorganizing reality based upon his words. If you
Speaker 1: listen to him, if you stop listening to him, you
Speaker 1: realize that he's just trying to get inside your mind,
Speaker 1: promote mind war on you.
Speaker 2: Like that's exactly.
Speaker 1: We're an excursion. It's just, it's just a small war.
Speaker 1: Are a little bit of pain now for a lot
Speaker 1: of benefit later. It's all just.
Speaker 3: And as we went over Maga magas, that's the fifth
Speaker 3: degree of Satanic church. You know, the writer being cut
Speaker 3: is done for the high priest, right, so this is
Speaker 3: what the servant has done. I mean, Maga is the
Speaker 3: servant of the high priest. So there's nothing above the
Speaker 3: fifth level of Satanism. But above that is always the
Speaker 3: high priestess, who is like who you worship, right, So
Speaker 3: that's the depth of it, right, And it's even mentioned
Speaker 3: in the Bible. So I think definitely this guy is
Speaker 3: if you know, you know which you know as you.
Speaker 1: Know, like he just keeps going, he keeps going, I'm
Speaker 1: a healer, blah blah blah, sacriligious stuff, crazy stuff on
Speaker 1: Easter Sunday, no respect from the day, totally like, Oh,
Speaker 1: We're gonna and destroy your civilization. Praise be to Allah,
Speaker 1: Like what the hell is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it is a huge It's a.
Speaker 1: Mind work and the mind war precedes the fizz war, Right,
Speaker 1: That's what a kino's thing is. So the battle for
Speaker 1: the mind is the predicate yes to standard kinetic warfare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that you know, Trump is also
Speaker 3: pushing people to the real maga quote unquote right, So
Speaker 3: he's kind of posing himself. He's kind of putting himself
Speaker 3: in the villain position. Doesn't mind being the villain, he
Speaker 3: never has. I think he's trying to drive people away
Speaker 3: from him, drive people into the Vance arms, drive people
Speaker 3: into Tucker's arms, drive people into these questioning, questioning arms,
Speaker 3: and then you'll get all the mind war syop narratives
Speaker 3: that are being driven by his people.
Speaker 2: It's just asymmetrical warfare.
Speaker 1: No question about it. And it goes by I mean,
Speaker 1: it's being rolled out against us. For even COVID was
Speaker 1: just a massive global mind war. It has to be
Speaker 1: seen as mind war. Like, imagine how powerful that is.
Speaker 1: They don't have to do much physical warfare to have
Speaker 1: this war against humanity. It's off the charts. They pulled
Speaker 1: it off, and then they basically just change the subject like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not important anymore. So they're basically hard, like they're
Speaker 1: able to literally changed people's perception against their own self
Speaker 1: preservation like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's insane, and yet it's a matter controlling all
Speaker 3: the information, like it said in mind war, and then
Speaker 3: you can sway people your way based off their beliefs
Speaker 3: and their actions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we've been up against Iran for
Speaker 1: forty seven years. We have what I don't even know,
Speaker 1: I Benny, Persians, I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Right, But to them we have been because they gave
Speaker 3: an f you to the to the overall global deep
Speaker 3: state whenever they left, you know, whenever the what's his
Speaker 3: name the Shaw left because he had cancer. They took
Speaker 3: their country back from America.
Speaker 1: Seventy nine, they took their country back and the revolution.
Speaker 3: Right, and yeah, we've been at war since. Well, we
Speaker 3: didn't know that, but they've been at war. The elites
Speaker 3: had been at war with them since because they gave
Speaker 3: a middle finger to them and you don't do that right.
Speaker 2: So this is a long time coming for them.
Speaker 1: And you know, the average American Iranian is paying twelve
Speaker 1: cents a gallon. Guys, that's what the revolution achieved.
Speaker 3: People think I'm crazy whenever I say that that this
Speaker 3: war is actually benefiting. I ran more than us, and
Speaker 3: then actually China I ran. They're all benefiting off of
Speaker 3: this whole situation over there. People think I'm insane until
Speaker 3: I start laying it out and they're like shocked. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: they're charging two billion or what is it, two million
Speaker 3: dollars a ship that comes through.
Speaker 2: Each barrel is like one hundred fifty.
Speaker 3: They're only they're synthetically lowering our prices now because of
Speaker 3: our reserves, but our shit's gonna skyrocket soon when our
Speaker 3: reserves are gone. They can't sit here and act like
Speaker 3: the oils cheaper than it is like they are.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The last tanker from the Middle East just showed up
Speaker 1: in California. So once those things stop coming, like the
Speaker 1: idiots here like they're just total clowns like it's almost
Speaker 1: like retard level. They there's gas and oil around here,
Speaker 1: they just refuse to drill for it. So that's the
Speaker 1: foundation of all wealth. Really is oil, guys. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it is solar power power.
Speaker 3: He's got a new pipeline deal with Canada. But I mean,
Speaker 3: think about how long that'll take to actually get you know,
Speaker 3: you're not we're gonna hate. We're gonna feel it for
Speaker 3: a while before that ever happens.
Speaker 2: It's just a controlled demolition of the global economy.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they're going to make money on the up
Speaker 1: down of downside and upside. They're already juicing the market,
Speaker 1: so they're controlling the markets for their own benefit, laying
Speaker 1: bets on it, knowing that it's going to go down,
Speaker 1: and telling everybody it's going to be all right when
Speaker 1: it's not. It's only going to get worse. Guys, you're
Speaker 1: the next six months are going to be incredible. People
Speaker 1: have no idea what's coming. Talk about mind war. They're
Speaker 1: going to try to just mind worrying to thinking that
Speaker 1: ten dollars a gallon gas is normal.
Speaker 3: And well, there's there's one hundred thousand flock cameras in
Speaker 3: America now versus the twenty thousand and six months ago.
Speaker 3: For a reason, they've been building them up like crazy
Speaker 3: because this police state is going to be. This police
Speaker 3: state's being built simultaneously with the control demolition of our
Speaker 3: global economy because they understand that they can only get
Speaker 3: away with this for so long.
Speaker 1: There's no question. That's why these books are really important.
Speaker 1: Like you keep to the importance of these knot books,
Speaker 1: so I'm glad that you are bringing it to the
Speaker 1: public's attention. We are at the hour. I know that
Speaker 1: you said you only had an hour where people will
Speaker 1: find the six g Agenda.
Speaker 2: All platforms you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3: We do live streams through YouTube and Patreon multiple times
Speaker 3: a week and all members get those all the time,
Speaker 3: and then goes out to the free feed, Spotify, wherever
Speaker 3: you get your stuff.
Speaker 2: We are there. Six g Agenda. Thank you so much, William.
Speaker 2: I love doing shows with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, likewise, I do too. The podcast is I mean,
Speaker 1: your Patreon is the same name as your podcast, so
Speaker 1: it's six g Agenda everywhere. You can probably just type
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Speaker 2: Yep, and you'll find a link. You'll find a link
Speaker 2: on my.
Speaker 3: Bio everywhere you go, for everywhere, and uh you know,
Speaker 3: wherever you're at.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty standard sixt g Agenda so awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, thanks for your time, Thanks for coming back again.
Speaker 1: It's the sixth g Agenda podcast and Patreon. I'll try
Speaker 1: to put links to both of those in there. People
Speaker 1: check them out and check out these books, they're really worthwhile,
Speaker 1: and check out our earlier shows. This will be our
Speaker 1: seventh episode. Yeah, definitely, Loper so speaking, thanks for your time.
Speaker 1: Appreci