Speaker 1: You know, over the years, I've prided myself, I should
Speaker 1: say our team has prided themselves in the ability to
Speaker 1: find good authors, good material research investigators, people who are
Speaker 1: making significant discoveries. And one of my favorite people has
Speaker 1: always been Michael Krimo. And Michael is releasing a brand
Speaker 1: new book called Extreme Human Antiquity, further investigations into Forbidden Archaeology.
Speaker 1: And what makes this new book just must have for
Speaker 1: your library is the fact that not only does he
Speaker 1: cover great ages of human skeletal remains, in some cases
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of years, but he is really the
Speaker 1: original out of place artifact researcher because there are so
Speaker 1: many examples of unusual artifacts that are millions and millions
Speaker 1: of years old that just defy educated guests, defy hypothesis,
Speaker 1: our understanding.
Speaker 2: Of our past.
Speaker 1: Hey, this is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients, and
Speaker 1: today we will be speaking with Michael Cremo on the
Speaker 1: release of this new book and it's focused specifically on
Speaker 1: human remains. Now, what I love about Michael, and we've
Speaker 1: had him on the show just annually for at least
Speaker 1: since the beginning of the podcast twelve years ago. What
Speaker 1: we love about having him on the program is that
Speaker 1: he is a follows a Hindu philosophy. He is infirm
Speaker 1: understanding of the Yugas, and he also follows the pranas.
Speaker 1: And this is something that we don't talk enough about
Speaker 1: because it is a very specialized practice. But today we're
Speaker 1: going to focus on, without a great deal of specifics,
Speaker 1: the ancient.
Speaker 2: Past of Earth.
Speaker 1: And when you start contemplating and understanding that, according to
Speaker 1: his research, Homo sapiens, this modern human that we are today,
Speaker 1: the physicality, the bone structure, the brain capacity, and so on,
Speaker 1: this is a being or we are a being that
Speaker 1: has been here millions and millions of years. Now it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a little scary because at the end of
Speaker 1: this interview you're gonna hear about a discovery that was
Speaker 1: made that places us over one hundred million years in
Speaker 1: Earth's past, meaning that modern humans, not these ape like
Speaker 1: creatures that we consider our ancestors, but modern humans have
Speaker 1: been and have settled Earth over one hundred million.
Speaker 2: Years in the past.
Speaker 1: That is a mind blowing number. And whenever I hear
Speaker 1: it from him Michael Krimo, hear it from Graham, or
Speaker 1: hear it from anyone else, it's perplexing because where are
Speaker 1: the ruins? Where are is the evidence? Today we are
Speaker 1: going to hear about not only skeletal remains, but artifacts
Speaker 1: that have been dated to over one hundred million years
Speaker 1: in the past. A lot of these artifacts are found
Speaker 1: in the United States. Some, as we would be expected,
Speaker 1: are in Africa, some are in Australia, many are in
Speaker 1: Europe and China. They're all over the place. But it
Speaker 1: really is a real solid look at where we have been. Now,
Speaker 1: if you've been listening to the program on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: you know that we've had archaeologists and egyptologists on the program.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite egyptologists is is doctor Kara Cooney
Speaker 1: from She's a professor of Egyptology at UCLA here in California,
Speaker 1: and we've had her on many, many times. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that I was shocked in our last
Speaker 1: interview was the fact that the Dynastics, these pharaohs that
Speaker 1: are noted, reused burial goods, reused coffins, reuse jewelry, and
Speaker 1: we don't know how much more they reused. And this
Speaker 1: is a theme in today's interview simply because we understand
Speaker 1: that it's a great possibility that the pyramids have been
Speaker 1: around not just nine or ten thousand years, it's possible
Speaker 1: that they've been around fifty or one hundred thousand years.
Speaker 1: And also these temples and these structures that we take
Speaker 1: are interested in and we talk about that are located
Speaker 1: in Egypt, like the Hathor Temple, like Karnak, like the
Speaker 1: Giza Plateau, with the Sphinx and these other buildings. It's
Speaker 1: likely now that they have a great, great ancestry that
Speaker 1: goes back twenty thirty, forty to fifty perhaps further than
Speaker 1: we understand. And when I bring up Karakuni, the fact
Speaker 1: remains that it's a possibility now that many of the
Speaker 1: pharaohs reuse temples, reused buildings that they discovered.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I talk all the time about Ramsey the Second, the
Speaker 1: great usurper, who regularly regularly placed his cartouche on buildings,
Speaker 1: on statuary, on structures and claimed them as his own.
Speaker 1: And it looks like this was a practice that was
Speaker 1: taken up by many, many pharaohs who had these massive egos,
Speaker 1: who claimed these buildings as their own. And to date,
Speaker 1: there is no way that we can convince the Egyptological
Speaker 1: archaeological community that these are much much earlier. They seem
Speaker 1: to think that during the Dynastics, as an example, Ramseys
Speaker 1: and others, they were simply claiming works from short an
Speaker 1: earlier period, maybe a few hundred years, nothing like what
Speaker 1: we're presenting today, which would be several thousands of years,
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of years, which is fascinating but also
Speaker 1: a consideration. So today, not only will will we talk
Speaker 1: about auto place artic facts, but we'll also discuss the
Speaker 1: great possibilities of claiming much much earlier buildings, structures, and
Speaker 1: perhaps the pyramids as their own, and modern science or
Speaker 1: archaeology and egyptology just accepting this, which is somewhat depressing
Speaker 1: if you ask me so. Again, today's program is extreme
Speaker 1: human Antiquity, further investigations into forbidden history. And my guest
Speaker 1: is Michael Kremo The Earth Ancients Sacred Pyramid Tour December
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Speaker 3: What happens when we walk or we are doing a
Speaker 3: ritual or praying over the pyramid is that we literally
Speaker 3: resonate with the committee. But it's called the human resonance.
Speaker 3: So in our planet we have resonance that it's called
Speaker 3: human resonance. It's like a heartbeat of the planet. So
Speaker 3: when this hard bit of our planet resonates with these
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Speaker 3: and then you have another tune fork, and they will
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Speaker 1: Tours come out and join us. We have Michael Krima
Speaker 1: with us this week and Michael has just released an
Speaker 1: new book called Extreme Human Antiquity further investigations into Forbidden Archaeology,
Speaker 1: and he had mentioned this when he was on the
Speaker 1: program recently. And this is a detailed analysis of remains
Speaker 1: that he has found around the world, which makes it
Speaker 1: a very interesting book and a really good addition to
Speaker 1: your library. So, Michael, welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great
Speaker 1: to see you, good to be with you. Tell us
Speaker 1: about this book. Why a book on human antiquity? What
Speaker 1: was the motivation?
Speaker 4: Well, it's not just human antiquity, but extreme human antiquity.
Speaker 4: Of course, my book Forbidden Our Archaeology to introduced that
Speaker 4: topic evidence showing that human beings have existed on Earth
Speaker 4: for far longer peers of time then most modern scientists
Speaker 4: would expect. And when people read that book's the nine
Speaker 4: hundred page book, they began to ask me, have there
Speaker 4: been any new discoveries since that book was published? That
Speaker 4: was published a long time ago, nineteen ninety three. So
Speaker 4: I'd finally gotten around to bringing out another book that
Speaker 4: answers that request. It includes hundreds of cases of new
Speaker 4: discoveries that came to my attention after Forbidden Our Archaeology
Speaker 4: was published.
Speaker 1: Fantastic you look at the antiquity of man from a
Speaker 1: Hindu perspective, And in the beginning of the book, you
Speaker 1: talk about the Piranhas, which are Indian writing, which is
Speaker 1: the foundation of the research. Talk about what that means
Speaker 1: and how it passes through man's antiquity.
Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of interesting. Until I encountered the Piranhas,
Speaker 4: I never really had any reason to question the accounts
Speaker 4: of human origins that I got from my teachers in
Speaker 4: high school or university. Even so, it was like having
Speaker 4: a folk chrome you used to raise a very heavy object.
Speaker 4: So what they contained that interested me were accounts of
Speaker 4: human populations existing on this planet going back not one
Speaker 4: or two or three hundred thousand years, as mainstream scientists
Speaker 4: now accept but going back millions of years, even hundreds
Speaker 4: of millions of years. So that was really quite astonishing,
Speaker 4: and I decided to look into the history of archaeology,
Speaker 4: because if you look in the current textbooks, you're going
Speaker 4: to see only the discoveries that conform to the now
Speaker 4: dominant paradigm that humans like us appeared fairly late in
Speaker 4: the geological history of the Earth, and now they say
Speaker 4: within the past three hundred thousand years. So when I
Speaker 4: started looking into what I call the primary scientific literature,
Speaker 4: the original reports by archaeologists and other scientists to dig
Speaker 4: into the earth. I was surprised to find numerous accounts
Speaker 4: of human bones, human artifacts, human footprints growing very very
Speaker 4: far back in time. So that is something I was
Speaker 4: able to establish. Now, the Piranhas also speak of high
Speaker 4: levels of civilization in the very ancient past, but that
Speaker 4: kind of takes us beyond the kind of evidence that's
Speaker 4: currently available to sciences.
Speaker 1: Would you say that the Piranhas follow the Yugas in
Speaker 1: a fashion because the Yugas are a cyclic way to
Speaker 1: look at human evolution, but it's never brought up in
Speaker 1: orthodox science because it's a philosophy with a it's kind
Speaker 1: of a sacred science, I guess you could call it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, do you do you can you relate to
Speaker 1: that at all, the Yugas and the Piranhas.
Speaker 4: Yes, of course, even in the West, scientists and ordinary
Speaker 4: people except the existence of cycles. We're very familiar with
Speaker 4: the day night cycle. Most people they work study during
Speaker 4: the day and during the night they're sleeping. And we're
Speaker 4: also familiar in the temperate countries with the seasonal cycle
Speaker 4: of spring summer, fall, winter, and we eat different foods
Speaker 4: during the different seasons, play different sports, wear different clothes,
Speaker 4: so we are familiar with cycles. And then there's the
Speaker 4: business cycle boom and bus So ancient people were aware
Speaker 4: of even larger cycles of time, and they knew the
Speaker 4: conditions were different in each of these cycles. There's a
Speaker 4: cycle of four yugas, a Golden age, of silver age,
Speaker 4: copper age, and finally an Iron age, where the conditions,
Speaker 4: the social conditions, environmental conditions start going through that cycle,
Speaker 4: getting progressively worse with each Yuga, and then another cycle
Speaker 4: starts again, with everything in a more or less perfect
Speaker 4: state and then degrading as the Yuga cycles go on.
Speaker 4: The ancient Romans and Greeks had a similar system, as
Speaker 4: did some of the North American Indian tribal people. They
Speaker 4: even had the same symbolism that the piranhas from ancient
Speaker 4: Indian years, which was, in the case of the piranhas
Speaker 4: a bold with four legs and over with each age
Speaker 4: it lost one leg. So some of the North American
Speaker 4: Plains Indians had the idea of an all buying no
Speaker 4: buffalo that with each passing age, a cycle of four
Speaker 4: ages lost one of his legs, So it's kind of
Speaker 4: interesting how do these cross cultural parallels.
Speaker 1: What I find interesting about the Piranhas is that the
Speaker 1: belief the Sacred Science says that modern humans did not
Speaker 1: evolve from ape like creatures, that they have been living
Speaker 1: on Earth for mains and millions of years.
Speaker 4: Well not only on Earth, according to the Piranhas, there
Speaker 4: are four hundred thousand human like species scattered throughout the
Speaker 4: entire universe. And another thing to consider about the Piranhic
Speaker 4: cosmology is that it involves millions of universes simultaneously existing,
Speaker 4: and the universes go through a cycle. If you delve
Speaker 4: really deeply into the Paronic cosmology, you'll find that it's
Speaker 4: you find a god, God expansion and expansion of God
Speaker 4: called Mahadishnu, who lies on a serpent bed in the
Speaker 4: causal ocean. And it said he's sleeping and when he
Speaker 4: breathes out millions of year, the universe has emerged from
Speaker 4: his body, And when he breathes in, the universes converge
Speaker 4: back into his body, and the cycle goes on and
Speaker 4: on endlessly. Universes are being manifested and then unmanifested, and
Speaker 4: in each of them, according to the piranhas there are humans.
Speaker 4: So in one sense you could say, I'm not an evolutionist,
Speaker 4: I'm not a creationist. I'm kind of an emanationist. That
Speaker 4: the human form is always available in all of these
Speaker 4: universes throughout all time. So it's like the plan for
Speaker 4: the human body is always there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So if we follow that format at that philosophy, when
Speaker 1: does homo sapien sapien arrive on Earth and does it
Speaker 1: come from? Is it planted here or delivered here by
Speaker 1: another civilization, or does it, as our scientists will like
Speaker 1: us to believe, evolve from a small amoeba.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, it's kind of interesting. This is this
Speaker 4: is a radically different point of view. The basic concept
Speaker 4: is that a human body or any other type of
Speaker 4: biological organism biological form, is a vehicle for a conscious self.
Speaker 4: That's what it is. The reason I'm alive and conscious
Speaker 4: now is because there is an oma, a conscious cell.
Speaker 4: To use religious terminology of soul, but I don't like
Speaker 4: using that word because people begin to think, well, that's
Speaker 4: religion that requires the belief or requires faith, and I'm
Speaker 4: not into that. I just want to see what's real
Speaker 4: consciousness is the most real thing we have in our existence.
Speaker 4: Without it, there wouldn't be anything else, and it's something
Speaker 4: we all experience on a daily moment to moment basis
Speaker 4: that I'm a conscious being, your conscious being, We're all
Speaker 4: conscious beings. So any physical body is a vehicle for
Speaker 4: a conscious self. So I would say the plans for
Speaker 4: those vehicles have always been there in the cosmos, and
Speaker 4: what's injected is the conscious self, which comes or belongs
Speaker 4: in a different level of reality. It's so in that sense,
Speaker 4: we are all extraterrestrials. As individual conscious personal beings. We
Speaker 4: are from another dimension of reality. The piranhas described getting
Speaker 4: back to that picture of Maha Vishnu lying on the
Speaker 4: cause of ocean breathing out, and the universe has emerged
Speaker 4: from his body, and when they're out, he glances and
Speaker 4: injects into them. The conscious sells the automost, the fragmental
Speaker 4: parts of the supreme conscious being that we are. He
Speaker 4: also injects information into each universe. That information includes the
Speaker 4: forms for the different types of physical vehicles that a
Speaker 4: conscious self can occupy. So you could say this is
Speaker 4: kind of the ultimate panspermion, the ultimate cosmopsychism. You could say,
Speaker 4: we have a small reflection of it today and the
Speaker 4: ideas of many scientists like rickrom Saying and even Francis Cricket.
Speaker 4: I believe one of the co discoveries of DNA, namely
Speaker 4: that our planet has been seeded. I agree, it's been
Speaker 4: seated with ottomas, and it's been seeded with bedras or
Speaker 4: of the form of human bodily vehicles and the bodily
Speaker 4: dihicles of other kinds of life, so hance, hanimals, insects, fish,
Speaker 4: and so on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you write that, it's your belief, and within the
Speaker 1: Piranha teachings that modern humans lived alongside these ape like creatures,
Speaker 1: which would make me think that at some point hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of years ago or millions of years ago,
Speaker 1: Earth was a big experiment where they are trying to
Speaker 1: test these different types of hominins to see which one
Speaker 1: will last, and all of a sudden, Homo sapien has
Speaker 1: all the attributes of a longer life, a longer possibility,
Speaker 1: and perhaps the choice was made to use Homo sapien
Speaker 1: because he was a survivor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I agree in principle with what you're saying.
Speaker 4: My detailed understanding of it may be a little bit different.
Speaker 4: They Yes, this is a testing ground, but as conscious sells,
Speaker 4: we've arrived here and we've found all these that there
Speaker 4: are available for us, all these different kinds of vehicles,
Speaker 4: Homo sapiens vehicles, the undertall vehicles, regular chimpanzee and Guarrolla
Speaker 4: vehicles all coexisting. Yeah, so to figure out you know,
Speaker 4: it's like you land on a planet and you find
Speaker 4: all these different vehicles available, and you wonder where did
Speaker 4: they come from? What do they ford? Dry them out?
Speaker 4: So we get to try them out one after another
Speaker 4: in the cycle of bri incarnation. Because all of the
Speaker 4: vehicles are temporary, they break down on a certain point,
Speaker 4: but the conscious self doesn't break down. It simply goes
Speaker 4: into a brief state of suspended animation, and that takes
Speaker 4: a new vehicle and experiments with all of them. But
Speaker 4: the human vehicle is the most powerful one in the
Speaker 4: sense that it can be used to make sense of
Speaker 4: the whole picture and bring us to a higher level
Speaker 4: of awareness.
Speaker 1: I love that where these shells, these biological shells, And
Speaker 1: what you're saying is that the consciousness, which is religiously
Speaker 1: thought of as the soul, tries out.
Speaker 2: These different vehicles. I love that analogy.
Speaker 1: Let's get into modern human in your book, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know this, but you describe modern humans as having
Speaker 1: identified identifying attributes. One is high, smooth forehead. What are
Speaker 1: what are some of the other definitions of a modern human?
Speaker 4: Well, this is something that I changed my ideas on
Speaker 4: over the years. The standard, you could say, her default
Speaker 4: definition of what it means to be a modern human
Speaker 4: in terms of skeletal characteristics would be that smooth forehead,
Speaker 4: a chin, no eyebrow ridges, or a bar going across.
Speaker 4: But the thing is so that they what they originally
Speaker 4: did was say, okay, the individuals with the smooth foreheads,
Speaker 4: the developed chins, those are Homo sapiens. And if you
Speaker 4: have a low forehead, eyebrow ridges, and no or very
Speaker 4: small chin, you're something else. You're neandertall, you're a different species.
Speaker 4: But there are living populations of humans on this planet
Speaker 4: who have those features and scientists don't call them a
Speaker 4: different species. So that is leading me to think we
Speaker 4: have to expand our definition of what it means from
Speaker 4: a skeletal point of view to be modern human Homo sapiens.
Speaker 4: One way to deal with it is to break things
Speaker 4: down into subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens for the classic modern human,
Speaker 4: Homo sapiens, neanderthalns is for the Neanderthals, Homo sapiens, erectus
Speaker 4: for Homo erectis, and so on like that, which kind
Speaker 4: of is interesting because it expands the range of the
Speaker 4: kind of evidence that scientists now accepts as being evidence
Speaker 4: for human presence, pushing it very far back in time.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Michael Cremo, presenting his new book,
Speaker 1: Extreme Human Antiquity. Will be right back. My guest today
Speaker 1: is author research investigator Michael Krimo. He's the author of
Speaker 1: a new book called Extreme Human Antiquity. This is a
Speaker 1: continuation of his work in the forbidden archaeology genre, and
Speaker 1: we're discussing this new release in the details of the book.
Speaker 2: Why should we.
Speaker 1: Be interested in extreme antiquity of humans? Why care about this?
Speaker 4: Are you a good question? I think? To me, what
Speaker 4: it indicates is that we're here for a purpose. We're
Speaker 4: not accidental creatures and an accidental universe. It means if
Speaker 4: this evidence is taken seriously, which I believe it should be,
Speaker 4: means we need new explanations for human origins. And I
Speaker 4: think those questions are going to involve consciousness. It's a
Speaker 4: big problem for science. In July I was in Barcelona
Speaker 4: and Spain for a meeting of the Science of Consciousness Group.
Speaker 4: It's a big international organization of cognitive scientists others working
Speaker 4: in the neuroscience field trying to explain consciousness. Charles Darwin
Speaker 4: recognized consciousness was a problem for his theory because at
Speaker 4: some point he was going to have to explain how
Speaker 4: consciousness comes from matter, and he couldn't do it. And
Speaker 4: he said he predicted He said, well this will be
Speaker 4: solved by scientists in the far distant future. Well, you know,
Speaker 4: the far distant future has arrived and still no solution.
Speaker 4: So I think that is the big products of the
Speaker 4: problem in modern science today, how do you explain consciousness?
Speaker 4: So I think it's going to eventually involve understanding that
Speaker 4: consciousness doesn't produce matter. It can simply become covered by it,
Speaker 4: as we are now covered in these body suits vehicles.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things I want I want to
Speaker 1: talk about with you is that you have different definitions
Speaker 1: of antiquity or different categories. You have skeleton, dental, footprint, cultural,
Speaker 1: and so on. And I was curious, before we get
Speaker 1: into the actual case studies that you feature in your book,
Speaker 1: I have come up with a thought on this antiquity
Speaker 1: regarding evidence of reuse of temples and pyramids and things
Speaker 1: like that. And it's now been shown through. And I've
Speaker 1: had a couple of people on my program who are
Speaker 1: Egyptologists that the reuse of ancient temples, perhaps pyramids, perhaps
Speaker 1: artifacts is now established, especially in predynastic Egypt or dynastic Egypt,
Speaker 1: where they would use the burial.
Speaker 2: Goods.
Speaker 1: And this has been found out with King tutan Common
Speaker 1: his death mask was designed for an uncle or an aunt,
Speaker 1: I think, but he came around and so they refitted
Speaker 1: for him. And I think, and it's becoming obvious to
Speaker 1: me that a lot of these temples, and I think
Speaker 1: the pyramids were there thousands of years prior to the
Speaker 1: arrival of the Egyptians. And I'm wondering, does this come
Speaker 1: into your thinking when you write your work as a
Speaker 1: potential identification of a great age.
Speaker 4: Well, yes, it has. I haven't formally introduced it into
Speaker 4: my work at the present moment, but I am thinking
Speaker 4: about it because there are researchers who have done studies
Speaker 4: of the alignments of these temple structures. Typically, if you
Speaker 4: look at ancient structures, most of the cultures were very
Speaker 4: aware of complex astronomical aspects of the cosmos, and they
Speaker 4: align structures to the north the geographic North Pole. And
Speaker 4: the problem is not a problem. It's actually very interesting
Speaker 4: is that the position of the geographical north Pole has
Speaker 4: varied over the thousands and thousands of years. So I
Speaker 4: have seen studies that look at the orientation of large
Speaker 4: numbers of temple structures or ancient monument structures all over
Speaker 4: the world, and they point in slightly different directions that
Speaker 4: correspond to the known position of the geography north pole
Speaker 4: in ancient times, and it can be used as a
Speaker 4: method of dating dating them. It's something I'm still looking into,
Speaker 4: but there is on the web information like that, and
Speaker 4: I think that and they may have been rebuilt reused,
Speaker 4: so you would in fact, if they were just new,
Speaker 4: they would be towards either the current the building would
Speaker 4: be oriented towards the current north geographic pole or to
Speaker 4: a fairly recent location of it. But I think as
Speaker 4: you're suggesting that because the orientation of those structures is
Speaker 4: very different or is more greatly different than the others,
Speaker 4: it indicates an age difference that the news structure was
Speaker 4: built on an older structure that was in fact older. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's so, That's how it comes into my thinking.
Speaker 1: The challenge that we have, though, is that a lot
Speaker 1: of your discoveries in this new book, Extreme Human Antiquity,
Speaker 1: we're talking hundreds of thousands and millions of years ago,
Speaker 1: and the biggest problem we have is that buildings deteriorate,
Speaker 1: you know, after a certain time frame. I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: we study and think about Robert Vival's theory on the
Speaker 1: Orion constellations and the position of the Great Pyramids of
Speaker 1: the Giza Plateau, he recalculated that they were built during
Speaker 1: the I think that he's thinking around twenty thousand years
Speaker 1: ago might be earlier than that, which isn't close to
Speaker 1: the you know time frame you're talking about. But do
Speaker 1: you have a sense of any possible temples or perhaps
Speaker 1: carvings geoglyphs that could be hundreds of thousands of years old.
Speaker 4: Yes, there are objects, and I know for example, and
Speaker 4: temples in India that claim to be from very very
Speaker 4: ancient times. Now demonstrating that scientifically is not going to
Speaker 4: be easy because a lot of these objects are being
Speaker 4: worshiped today and temple structures so not going to be
Speaker 4: so easy to get access to them. But say, like
Speaker 4: you take the Shri Rangam temple in South India and
Speaker 4: Tamil Nadu state, it's like many temple complexes in India
Speaker 4: and other parts of the world, like encore Wat. You
Speaker 4: have massive temple structures with ring walls going around them,
Speaker 4: sometimes many up to seven and they are actual models
Speaker 4: of the universe. They align to a different phenomenon where
Speaker 4: the sun rises at the solstices and the equinoxes. In
Speaker 4: this particular temple, they have a form of Vishnu, Hindu god.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 4: Reclining as if on the causal ocean. And according to
Speaker 4: the temple of records, that object was originally worshiped off
Speaker 4: of this planet. It came from some other part of
Speaker 4: the universe. And just like right now, scientists are looking
Speaker 4: at a couple of objects that they say are from
Speaker 4: outside our solar system coming in. So they claim these
Speaker 4: are objects like that from some other planetary system and
Speaker 4: they arrived on Earth a long time ago, many Yugas,
Speaker 4: many millions of years ago, and were continually worshiped. So
Speaker 4: you have cases like that where you have these very
Speaker 4: as you said, maybe now new structures built on older
Speaker 4: foundations and containing objects that have remained throughout all the
Speaker 4: different manifestations of structures at that particular location.
Speaker 1: Is there So you're seeing that there's a reclining statue
Speaker 1: of Vishna, but is it him? And then a small
Speaker 1: enclosure that was built around him.
Speaker 4: Originally it was like that. It started from a small
Speaker 4: enclosure and gradually got bigger and different walls were built
Speaker 4: around it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, amazing. Yeah, I mean, I got.
Speaker 1: To get to India. It's got some extreme antiquities. Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about this new book. In chapter two,
Speaker 1: you open the research with the middle plesticcene, which is
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six thousand to seventy seven hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy four thousand, and this is what really makes
Speaker 1: the book fascinating. And I like to focus on footprints
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of evidence of footprint footprints. You
Speaker 1: talk about the It's in Italy, the Devil's trail which
Speaker 1: has been dated to three hundred and forty five thousand
Speaker 1: years in the past. And what's unique about this discovery
Speaker 1: and when did they discover it?
Speaker 4: Well, I thank you for really getting into the details
Speaker 4: of how the book is structured, because right now, the
Speaker 4: most scientists say the first humans like us appeared about
Speaker 4: three hundred thousand years ago, and before that there weren't
Speaker 4: any humans like us, or at least they haven't been discovered. Now,
Speaker 4: what I wanted to start with in this book extreme
Speaker 4: human antiquity, was the evidence that's close to what modern
Speaker 4: science now accepts. As you mentioned, these footprints, which were
Speaker 4: made in volcanic ash in Italy near a volcano, are
Speaker 4: about three hundred and forty five thousand years old, so
Speaker 4: that's the significance of them. They were identified by the
Speaker 4: discoverers as being indistinguishable from anatomically modern human footprints. I
Speaker 4: document that in the account that I gave in the book.
Speaker 4: It's actually the first case of physical evidence in the book.
Speaker 4: And the footprints have been known for some time, maybe
Speaker 4: since late medieval times, so people have called them colloquially
Speaker 4: the devil's foot trail or something like that. So that's
Speaker 4: there so I think the significance of it is, well,
Speaker 4: here's something that really doesn't go too much further back
Speaker 4: in time than when what you're now prepared to accept.
Speaker 4: Why not accept this and let's go on from there
Speaker 4: and see how far back in time we can go.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: But you're you're right, Oh, when there's a moment. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to mention that I just recently saw yes
Speaker 4: day a report of footprints a little over three hundred
Speaker 4: thousand years old from the site in Germany and Lower Saxony.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, you.
Speaker 1: Know, we here occasionally coverage of these discoveries of footprints
Speaker 1: and artifacts, and we'll get into some of these skeletal
Speaker 1: remains here in a minute. But why is it so
Speaker 1: hard for mainstream science, especially archaeologists, to accept these as
Speaker 1: modern human rather than some ape like creature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't think it's necessarily a Satanic conspiracy.
Speaker 4: I think they they would think they're just being good scientists,
Speaker 4: good custodians of the evidence. I think it's what I
Speaker 4: would call a process of knowledge filtration. And this is
Speaker 4: something that it's not new with me. It's something that
Speaker 4: historians of science and philosophers of science have understood for
Speaker 4: a long time, namely that theoretical preconceptions can influence how
Speaker 4: scienceists react to different categories of evidence that come to
Speaker 4: their attention. If the evidence conforms to a dominant paradigm,
Speaker 4: then it's treated in one way. If the evidence radically contradicts,
Speaker 4: or even contradicts to all degree, a very well established paradigm,
Speaker 4: it's treated in another way. It's put aside as problematic,
Speaker 4: or it's dismissed on very flimsy grounds, or it's just
Speaker 4: forgotten about. You know, nobody's thinking I'm hiding true evidence which,
Speaker 4: if known, would cause other people to disbelieve in our theories.
Speaker 4: They're just thinking, well, I got other things to do. Now,
Speaker 4: I've got a grant to apply for. We'll get to
Speaker 4: that later. It's not really that significant. But the point is,
Speaker 4: if you do that once or twice, maybe it's not
Speaker 4: so significant. But if you do it hundreds of times,
Speaker 4: then what you're dealing with is not the complete set
Speaker 4: of facts that are relevan to the questions you're trying
Speaker 4: to answer in your scientific discipline, in this case, archaeology.
Speaker 4: But this similar kind of process operates in practically every
Speaker 4: field of science, whether it's cosmology or biology or geology.
Speaker 4: And for example, there was a scientist early in the
Speaker 4: twentieth century named Wegener from Germany who proposed continental drift,
Speaker 4: you know, the idea that one original continent broke into
Speaker 4: pieces and spread out. He was laughed at. His ideas
Speaker 4: were completely rejected, and now they're the mainstream theory. So
Speaker 4: sometimes there can be revolutions in science and they're inspired
Speaker 4: by these anomalies that gradually accumulate, and whether there's too
Speaker 4: many of them to ignore, then maybe we get what's
Speaker 4: called a paradigm shift in a scientific discipline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think we're getting close to a paradigm
Speaker 1: shift because there's a lot of new discoveries that are
Speaker 1: kind of shedding light on the possibilities of extreme antiquity.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm trying to do my part, but I'm kind
Speaker 4: of operating at in the deep end of the tool,
Speaker 4: you might say, where others are working with more recent
Speaker 4: periods of history. That's why I call it extreme human antiquity.
Speaker 1: I will mention this though in your book you mentioned
Speaker 1: in the beginning and the introduction that for a long
Speaker 1: time it was I thought that modern humans were one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand years old, and now recently it's gone to
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand. So do you think that at some
Speaker 1: point they'll say, okay, it's a million years is when
Speaker 1: modern humans show up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're taking baby steps in the right direction.
Speaker 4: When I was doing the research for Forbidden Archaeology, the
Speaker 4: mainstream view was about one hundred thousand years. Yeah, when
Speaker 4: that book was published in the early nineteen nineties. By
Speaker 4: the time you get to the two thousands, they were
Speaker 4: saying two hundred thousand years, and now they're saying three
Speaker 4: hundred thousand. So it's every decade or so they add
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand years. So maybe by seven years from
Speaker 4: now they'll be up to a million. I think there's
Speaker 4: still a long way to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd have to find a machine that is or
Speaker 1: something an artifact that is so compelling that they have
Speaker 1: to change their thinking.
Speaker 2: I guess, well, read the book.
Speaker 4: That may be someone there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Which let's go to the next item, which is the
Speaker 1: what you call it the middle plaster scene. And this
Speaker 1: is an amazing one. I don't know if it's in
Speaker 1: the original book. It's a it's in ten ten Morocco
Speaker 1: it's a figurine that was dated to four hundred thousand
Speaker 1: years ago. And I don't know if that was in
Speaker 1: the original book, but that's a pretty amazing discovery.
Speaker 4: Well, I think this is this is new. This is
Speaker 4: one of the cases that no matter where it was,
Speaker 4: what time it was actually made, it didn't reach by
Speaker 4: attention and the original book. Yeah, that's that's a sculpture
Speaker 4: kind of like a very primitive but recognizable form of
Speaker 4: a woman carved bell of Uh, some kind of discovered
Speaker 4: in Morocco.
Speaker 1: And did they discover it underground in a tomb? Where
Speaker 1: did they discover it? Uh?
Speaker 4: Actually, I've always been afraid of somebody who's going to
Speaker 4: open up to a page from my book and ask.
Speaker 2: You could glide over it. There's so much to talk about.
Speaker 2: We can move on to something else. Of your details.
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Speaker 1: shortly with my guest today, Michael Cremo and his new
Speaker 1: book Extreme Human Antiquity, will rejoin you shortly. My guest
Speaker 1: today is author Michael Krimo, who is introducing a new
Speaker 1: book called Extreme Human Antiquity and not only are there
Speaker 1: examples of million year old humans, there is a great
Speaker 1: deal of out of place artifacts. These are artifacts that
Speaker 1: appear to be modern that can be millions of years old.
Speaker 1: I've had a number of archaeologists on here who are
Speaker 1: now looking at redating the occupancy of hominins in North America.
Speaker 1: Now it goes back now, I think with the redating
Speaker 1: to over one hundred thousand years. I'd like you to
Speaker 1: describe what is known as a kill site. There's a
Speaker 1: recent discovery a couple I think maybe a decking now
Speaker 1: that came up in the San Diego, California area where
Speaker 1: there's a kill site that was found under a freeway construction.
Speaker 1: But there's a number, that number of them that you
Speaker 1: bring up that are very important because it's obvious that
Speaker 1: a human like creature is killing a mastodon or a
Speaker 1: rhinoceros or something and then creating tools to get the bone,
Speaker 1: marrow and so forth and so on. Why are these important?
Speaker 4: The current dominant paradigm is that human beings first entered
Speaker 4: North America from coming from Siberia over what they called
Speaker 4: the Burying Land Bridge. Now there's ocean water between Siberia
Speaker 4: and Alaska, but thousands of years ago, maybe twenty thousand
Speaker 4: years ago, when there was more ice on the land
Speaker 4: in the form of glaciers. That meant water was being
Speaker 4: taken from the ocean and deposited on the land in
Speaker 4: the form of those glacial sheets. Therefore, the ocean bottom
Speaker 4: the land kind of emerged, and it was possible to
Speaker 4: walk from Siberia across Alaska and then go down through
Speaker 4: an ice treet corridor to the lower forty eight American
Speaker 4: states and from down there to Mexico and then to
Speaker 4: South America. So they thought all that happened within the
Speaker 4: past twenty to twenty five thousand years. So these new dates,
Speaker 4: in particular the mastodon kill site, and I think it
Speaker 4: was State Road one twenty four going through San Diego,
Speaker 4: they put an age. They give that site an age
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirteen thousand years And this was published
Speaker 4: in a mainstream scientific journal. But there's a hidden history
Speaker 4: to that whole discover that goes back a few decades,
Speaker 4: and I was involved in that. The original reason why
Speaker 4: the masdon bones with butchering marks on them were discovered
Speaker 4: was that most states, most governments around the world now
Speaker 4: have laws mandating that when there's construction going on, there
Speaker 4: has to be If the bulldozers or whatever run into
Speaker 4: any human remains, there has to be an archaeological impact report,
Speaker 4: or if they find animal remains, there has to be
Speaker 4: a paleontological impact report. So Caltrans was building the highway.
Speaker 4: They encountered mastodon bones, including a masterdon tusk, and they
Speaker 4: called in palaeontologists to investigate, and they found that the
Speaker 4: Masdon bones had cut marks on them that looked like
Speaker 4: bookstraing marks. They found also stone tools along with them.
Speaker 4: They dated the animal bones using the uranium series method
Speaker 4: and got an age of over three hundred thousand years.
Speaker 4: Oh now, this was all in a Coltrans report that
Speaker 4: wasn't published in its scientific journals. The bones weren't put
Speaker 4: on display in any museum. The report was just filed
Speaker 4: in some office of the State of californ Ornia somewhere
Speaker 4: southern California. But somebody passed the report to Virginia Stein McIntyre,
Speaker 4: who is a geologist that I know was interested in
Speaker 4: things like this, and she passed it on to me
Speaker 4: and I wrote about it years before the scientific report
Speaker 4: came out. I wrote about it in a column that
Speaker 4: I had in Atlanta's Rising magazine. Now, the reason they
Speaker 4: didn't let it out, you know, scientifically, was because of
Speaker 4: the age of three hundred thousand years. Now, what they
Speaker 4: did is they kept redating it, redating it, redating it
Speaker 4: till they got it down to about one hundred and
Speaker 4: thirteen thousand years. That's still pretty radical. So I have
Speaker 4: to congratulate the scientists who put that out, But I
Speaker 4: think the real age is even greater than one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirteen.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you mentioned about this redating, redating, redating.
Speaker 1: I have bad feelings and I've heard horror stories of
Speaker 1: original carbon dating numbers to be at the maximum of carbon,
Speaker 1: which is fifty thousand years, and because it's not an
Speaker 1: acceptable date, they'll pass it through again and again and
Speaker 1: again until they get a date that's more comfortable. That's insane,
Speaker 1: but that's just the status of current archaeology, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So there is kind of a movement towards greater
Speaker 4: human antiquity in North America. Say, the evidence goes much
Speaker 4: further back in time than one hundred and thirteen thousand years.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you get to discoveries like the California
Speaker 4: gold Mine discoveries and layers of rock fifty million years old.
Speaker 4: That gives you some idea. Now, there was a North
Speaker 4: American scholar named Vine Deloria. He was a Native American
Speaker 4: Indian scholar PhD. And history, and he wrote a book
Speaker 4: called Redder White Lies, in which he said, as far
Speaker 4: as the Indian people are concerned, the Native American people,
Speaker 4: they don't think they came over from Siberia. They think
Speaker 4: they've always been here. And sometimes they give evidence for it,
Speaker 4: like seeing a volcanic eruption like an Oregon near a
Speaker 4: tribal area. Eruption took place hundreds of thousands or even
Speaker 4: millions of years ago, and it's recorded in very tribal legends. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so it was kind of interesting that this Native American
Speaker 4: scholar really liked my work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, So many wonderful examples of antiquity in this book.
Speaker 2: I want to come back to.
Speaker 1: The United States and go to a place that you
Speaker 1: identify as rock Well, Texas. And this is a rock
Speaker 1: wall that was dated to sixty six million years ago.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious what did they use on that wall
Speaker 1: to date?
Speaker 4: Oh, they could have used I mean, there's stratigraphic methods right,
Speaker 4: you know, I think which was the main thing that
Speaker 4: they used. This is a case that Virginia Stein McIntyre,
Speaker 4: a geologist who was kind of interested in these things,
Speaker 4: looked into and she told me that the dating was
Speaker 4: good sometimes. And I don't remember all the details about
Speaker 4: that exact case, but I know from other experiences that
Speaker 4: I've had, if there's anything volcanic involved with any sort
Speaker 4: of volcanic rock that was placed into the wall structure,
Speaker 4: that could potentially be dated. And there are other methods
Speaker 4: of dating minerals again, radiometric methods based on the known
Speaker 4: rates of decay of various radioactive elements, but I think
Speaker 4: the main evidence was stratigraphic evidence.
Speaker 1: It's funny, I remember seeing different photographs of this wall.
Speaker 1: I don't remember how it came to light, if it
Speaker 1: was excavated or it was found by somebody who thought
Speaker 1: it was unusual. But was it do you remember was
Speaker 1: it a retaining wall or was it a fortress wall.
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what it was they think it
Speaker 1: was designed for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of a bit of a mystery, but
Speaker 4: it I mean, some of the photographs that I've seen,
Speaker 4: I haven't been there. Maybe somebody has. I think I
Speaker 4: forget the name of the researcher who had a television
Speaker 4: program where he was visiting sites around the United States.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember him.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking about Unearthed America, Scott Walter.
Speaker 4: I think I think he may have done an episode
Speaker 4: of Texas Rock Wall. But I haven't been there myself.
Speaker 4: I just relied on published foports for it. But it
Speaker 4: was discovered by settlers who came there in the nineteenth century.
Speaker 4: And some of the photo so I've seen are very high. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's thirty or forty feet high sections of wall, and
Speaker 4: some of them are shorter of chief sees high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fascinating. The books called Extreme Human Antiquity Further
Speaker 1: investigations into Forbidden Archaeology just came out. It's available on Amazon.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a couple of other not available.
Speaker 4: It's not available on Amazon.
Speaker 2: It's not where can people get it?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it should be on Amazon. There's just
Speaker 4: been some glitch and the supply chain because I don't
Speaker 4: All the rest of my books are on Amazon. Now
Speaker 4: if anybody wants it, they have to go to my
Speaker 4: I mean it is listed on Amazon. But the only
Speaker 4: place you can get it is from two or three
Speaker 4: private people who are selling it at prices much greater
Speaker 4: than the retail price. So I don't know why that is.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to find out, but just some little
Speaker 4: supply chain blitch. So right now it's listed, it's listed
Speaker 4: on it's my website.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's on it's here. I'm looking at it right
Speaker 1: now on Amazon and it says you can get the
Speaker 1: hard copy hardcover. Hm, oh okay, I mean so it's
Speaker 1: available through a number of independent sellers.
Speaker 4: My website mcremo dot com would be the easiest place
Speaker 4: to get it.
Speaker 1: Right now, Okay, So just so mcremo dot com you
Speaker 1: can buy it there. If you're an Amazon member, it's
Speaker 1: available there, but not through Amazon's available through independent booksellers.
Speaker 1: I just found it. There's about six different booksellers and
Speaker 1: they're not marking it up. It's only thirty dollars for
Speaker 1: the hardcover. I imagine at some point there will be
Speaker 1: a softcover, but it just came out, so that's the
Speaker 1: way he's selling it, Michael. As we conclude, can you
Speaker 1: comment on this metal hammer that was found in London,
Speaker 1: Texas and they dated it to one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: million years ago. That is one of the biggest anomalies
Speaker 1: that have ever seen, and there's been a lot of people.
Speaker 2: That have seen that it's a hoax.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's interesting. I saw that object some years
Speaker 4: ago in Vienna, where a researcher named Klaus Dona had
Speaker 4: gotten lots of anomalous artifacts from private collections all over
Speaker 4: the world, and he held an exhibit in Vienna and
Speaker 4: he invited me to be a speaker at the opening
Speaker 4: of that event, and one of the objects they had
Speaker 4: there that he had gotten from the private collector who
Speaker 4: owned it was that hammer. That it's a piece of
Speaker 4: fossilized wood or almost fossilized wood with an iron hammer
Speaker 4: head on it. And it's been analyzed in terms of
Speaker 4: it's the alloyed metals that are in it, and it's
Speaker 4: not like any type of iron that was produced in
Speaker 4: modern times according to the reports that I read and
Speaker 4: it was found. I mean, it's partial, it's still partially
Speaker 4: embedded in rock limestone rock, and that formation that originally
Speaker 4: formed around this iron hammer would have been as you say,
Speaker 4: quite old, millions of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's go ahead.
Speaker 4: A lot of the things that are recorded end of
Speaker 4: the book are of the nature of stone tools and
Speaker 4: very primitive types of sculptures. So this is one of
Speaker 4: the more developed artifacts that is present today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess because of the strata that it
Speaker 1: was found in, they dated it to one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen million years ago. I mean, it's ridiculously old.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It really shows that the Yugas, these cycles of human occupation.
Speaker 2: Are true.
Speaker 1: It's really you know, if that's what we can find, wow,
Speaker 1: it's amazing.
Speaker 4: Well if it were just that, you know, maybe you
Speaker 4: could reserve judgment and say, well, yeah, you've got one
Speaker 4: or two interesting things. But if you add them up,
Speaker 4: there are literally hundreds of these kinds of discoveries, And
Speaker 4: to me, that's always been the most important thing, the
Speaker 4: prevalence of these kinds of things, the idea that it's
Speaker 4: not just a few, it's a good many.
Speaker 1: Michael, you've made your career on studying human antiquity. What
Speaker 1: do we learn about this, why should we have an
Speaker 1: interest in it? And how does this for the future.
Speaker 4: Well, that's an excellent question, because yeah, I could wonder myself,
Speaker 4: I mean, what do I care whether humans have been
Speaker 4: around a few thousand or a few hundred thousand or
Speaker 4: a few million or one hundred million years. And the
Speaker 4: difference that it makes is that if humans have been
Speaker 4: around for as long as I think the evidence shows
Speaker 4: they've been around, it takes us back to the very
Speaker 4: beginnings of the history of life on Earth, And to me,
Speaker 4: that suggests we're here for a purpose. We're not accidental
Speaker 4: preachers and an accidental universe that has no purpose. So
Speaker 4: I think that is the fundamental reason why we should
Speaker 4: care about how long we've been here, because it raises
Speaker 4: important questions about our identity, whether or not there is
Speaker 4: some higher purpose to life on this planet or is
Speaker 4: it just our little microsecond cosmic time in the grand
Speaker 4: casino of the universe, or is it something more than that?
Speaker 4: So I think that's where it all leads.
Speaker 1: As a spiritual being, Do we evolve spiritually by understanding
Speaker 1: our past?
Speaker 4: Yes, because our present is going to become our past,
Speaker 4: and how we behave in this moment of time is
Speaker 4: going to have an influence on what our future is
Speaker 4: individually and collectively. So yeah, lots really at stake. I
Speaker 4: look at the cosmosis kind of a school, an education facility,
Speaker 4: where where meant to acquire experiences that can go us
Speaker 4: to behaving in a better way towards ourselves, towards others,
Speaker 4: other humans, to all forms of life, to our planet,
Speaker 4: and ultimately that we exist in harmony with the guiding intelligence,
Speaker 4: supreme conscious being that is behind it all.
Speaker 2: Michael A.
Speaker 1: Pleasure is always much success on this new book, Extreme
Speaker 1: Human Antiquity. I enjoyed reading it and it's really an
Speaker 1: amazing investigation.
Speaker 2: Thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to post a series of photographs from this
Speaker 1: new book on Facebook and also on Instagram. I'd say
Speaker 1: there's about five to seven photos that I've never seen
Speaker 1: before that Texas London, Texas hammer. I think the whole
Speaker 1: world's seen it. I'll post it anyhow. It's very very
Speaker 1: unique because the wood of the pickaxe or I think
Speaker 1: they call it a hammer, has been petrified. But it's
Speaker 1: petrified in the same way you see a petrified tree.
Speaker 1: You see the dark or the brown outer casing bark,
Speaker 1: and then you see the actual stone hammer head, and
Speaker 1: the whole thing has been petrified. It's all solid stone.
Speaker 1: And you know, people keep trying to change and it's
Speaker 1: just such an anomaly they find any explanation they can
Speaker 1: to try to explain it.
Speaker 2: There's no explanation for it.
Speaker 1: It is the epitome of an out of place artifact,
Speaker 1: you know. And that it was found in such a
Speaker 1: deep layers of sediment is how they can date it,
Speaker 1: and they date it over a hundred million years. It's
Speaker 1: just a phenomenon that is mind blowing. I would love
Speaker 1: for them to or somebody to begin revealing more of
Speaker 1: the anomalies like that, because that really places mankind in
Speaker 1: the extreme past or as Michael would say, extreme antiquity.
Speaker 1: So anyhow, I hope you enjoyed that his book is
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