WEBVTT 1 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:22.920 You know, over the years, I've prided myself, I should 2 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:26.879 say our team has prided themselves in the ability to 3 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:32.280 find good authors, good material research investigators, people who are 4 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:36.600 making significant discoveries. And one of my favorite people has 5 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.359 always been Michael Krimo. And Michael is releasing a brand 6 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:46.479 new book called Extreme Human Antiquity, further investigations into Forbidden Archaeology. 7 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:50.920 And what makes this new book just must have for 8 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.759 your library is the fact that not only does he 9 00:00:53.880 --> 00:01:00.000 cover great ages of human skeletal remains, in some cases 10 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.400 hundreds of millions of years, but he is really the 11 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:08.840 original out of place artifact researcher because there are so 12 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:15.200 many examples of unusual artifacts that are millions and millions 13 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:20.439 of years old that just defy educated guests, defy hypothesis, 14 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.000 our understanding. 15 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:24.319 Of our past. 16 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:27.079 Hey, this is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients, and 17 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:30.920 today we will be speaking with Michael Cremo on the 18 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.879 release of this new book and it's focused specifically on 19 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:40.079 human remains. Now, what I love about Michael, and we've 20 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:43.799 had him on the show just annually for at least 21 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:47.760 since the beginning of the podcast twelve years ago. What 22 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:51.239 we love about having him on the program is that 23 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:58.280 he is a follows a Hindu philosophy. He is infirm 24 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:03.480 understanding of the Yugas, and he also follows the pranas. 25 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.159 And this is something that we don't talk enough about 26 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:10.639 because it is a very specialized practice. But today we're 27 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.680 going to focus on, without a great deal of specifics, 28 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:15.960 the ancient. 29 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.000 Past of Earth. 30 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:24.319 And when you start contemplating and understanding that, according to 31 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:30.560 his research, Homo sapiens, this modern human that we are today, 32 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:36.240 the physicality, the bone structure, the brain capacity, and so on, 33 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:41.400 this is a being or we are a being that 34 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:46.080 has been here millions and millions of years. Now it's 35 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.120 gonna be a little scary because at the end of 36 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:52.680 this interview you're gonna hear about a discovery that was 37 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:57.639 made that places us over one hundred million years in 38 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:02.599 Earth's past, meaning that modern humans, not these ape like 39 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:08.000 creatures that we consider our ancestors, but modern humans have 40 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:12.840 been and have settled Earth over one hundred million. 41 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:13.759 Years in the past. 42 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:20.360 That is a mind blowing number. And whenever I hear 43 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:24.599 it from him Michael Krimo, hear it from Graham, or 44 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:29.400 hear it from anyone else, it's perplexing because where are 45 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:33.840 the ruins? Where are is the evidence? Today we are 46 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:39.280 going to hear about not only skeletal remains, but artifacts 47 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.520 that have been dated to over one hundred million years 48 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.080 in the past. A lot of these artifacts are found 49 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.400 in the United States. Some, as we would be expected, 50 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.319 are in Africa, some are in Australia, many are in 51 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.479 Europe and China. They're all over the place. But it 52 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:06.879 really is a real solid look at where we have been. Now, 53 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:10.360 if you've been listening to the program on a regular basis, 54 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:15.159 you know that we've had archaeologists and egyptologists on the program. 55 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:20.720 One of my favorite egyptologists is is doctor Kara Cooney 56 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:27.360 from She's a professor of Egyptology at UCLA here in California, 57 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.879 and we've had her on many, many times. And one 58 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.879 of the things that I was shocked in our last 59 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:37.079 interview was the fact that the Dynastics, these pharaohs that 60 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:44.439 are noted, reused burial goods, reused coffins, reuse jewelry, and 61 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.800 we don't know how much more they reused. And this 62 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:52.680 is a theme in today's interview simply because we understand 63 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.759 that it's a great possibility that the pyramids have been 64 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:59.879 around not just nine or ten thousand years, it's possible 65 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.439 that they've been around fifty or one hundred thousand years. 66 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:08.959 And also these temples and these structures that we take 67 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.680 are interested in and we talk about that are located 68 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:19.319 in Egypt, like the Hathor Temple, like Karnak, like the 69 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:23.319 Giza Plateau, with the Sphinx and these other buildings. It's 70 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:28.199 likely now that they have a great, great ancestry that 71 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:32.240 goes back twenty thirty, forty to fifty perhaps further than 72 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:36.720 we understand. And when I bring up Karakuni, the fact 73 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:40.680 remains that it's a possibility now that many of the 74 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.360 pharaohs reuse temples, reused buildings that they discovered. 75 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:45.680 Now. 76 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.680 I talk all the time about Ramsey the Second, the 77 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:56.120 great usurper, who regularly regularly placed his cartouche on buildings, 78 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:02.839 on statuary, on structures and claimed them as his own. 79 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:07.000 And it looks like this was a practice that was 80 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.319 taken up by many, many pharaohs who had these massive egos, 81 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:18.839 who claimed these buildings as their own. And to date, 82 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:24.199 there is no way that we can convince the Egyptological 83 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:29.800 archaeological community that these are much much earlier. They seem 84 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:36.120 to think that during the Dynastics, as an example, Ramseys 85 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:44.360 and others, they were simply claiming works from short an 86 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:48.279 earlier period, maybe a few hundred years, nothing like what 87 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.480 we're presenting today, which would be several thousands of years, 88 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.839 tens of thousands of years, which is fascinating but also 89 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.000 a consideration. So today, not only will will we talk 90 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:03.560 about auto place artic facts, but we'll also discuss the 91 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:10.560 great possibilities of claiming much much earlier buildings, structures, and 92 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:17.279 perhaps the pyramids as their own, and modern science or 93 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:25.519 archaeology and egyptology just accepting this, which is somewhat depressing 94 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:30.319 if you ask me so. Again, today's program is extreme 95 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:36.079 human Antiquity, further investigations into forbidden history. And my guest 96 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:44.000 is Michael Kremo The Earth Ancients Sacred Pyramid Tour December 97 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.480 one through the twelfth of twenty twenty five. 98 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:52.759 What happens when we walk or we are doing a 99 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:57.680 ritual or praying over the pyramid is that we literally 100 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:02.079 resonate with the committee. But it's called the human resonance. 101 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:06.759 So in our planet we have resonance that it's called 102 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.759 human resonance. It's like a heartbeat of the planet. So 103 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.319 when this hard bit of our planet resonates with these 104 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:18.560 type of structures like these Mayan pyramids, they amplify the 105 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:23.040 human resonans. And because they're all made with fractal materials 106 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.759 like pso electric stones and very particular types of stones. 107 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.959 Imagine that It's like when you have a tune fork 108 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.240 and then you have another tune fork, and they will 109 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:36.480 resonate with the same frequency. So when we're on top 110 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:41.120 of a pyramid, it will make our whole body, our DNA, 111 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.080 our electromagnetic field resonate like this cavity. 112 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.279 That's our turo deally On who is one of our 113 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.919 hosts for the upcoming tour. He is a architect from 114 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.720 Mexico who has incorporated sacred geometry and many of the 115 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:03.000 buildings he has designed, who understands the intricacies of pyramids 116 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:08.600 and Maya science. Journeys for this special tour December first 117 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.919 to the twelfth of this year. For more information and 118 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.279 all the details, go to Earthancients dot com. Forward Slash 119 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:57.200 Tours come out and join us. We have Michael Krima 120 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.000 with us this week and Michael has just released an 121 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:08.120 new book called Extreme Human Antiquity further investigations into Forbidden Archaeology, 122 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.759 and he had mentioned this when he was on the 123 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:18.960 program recently. And this is a detailed analysis of remains 124 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:22.240 that he has found around the world, which makes it 125 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.840 a very interesting book and a really good addition to 126 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.559 your library. So, Michael, welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great 127 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:32.919 to see you, good to be with you. Tell us 128 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:38.480 about this book. Why a book on human antiquity? What 129 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:40.639 was the motivation? 130 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:48.639 Well, it's not just human antiquity, but extreme human antiquity. 131 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:53.399 Of course, my book Forbidden Our Archaeology to introduced that 132 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:58.720 topic evidence showing that human beings have existed on Earth 133 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:04.039 for far longer peers of time then most modern scientists 134 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:08.639 would expect. And when people read that book's the nine 135 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:13.840 hundred page book, they began to ask me, have there 136 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:19.440 been any new discoveries since that book was published? That 137 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:24.399 was published a long time ago, nineteen ninety three. So 138 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.360 I'd finally gotten around to bringing out another book that 139 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:35.080 answers that request. It includes hundreds of cases of new 140 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:40.759 discoveries that came to my attention after Forbidden Our Archaeology 141 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:41.759 was published. 142 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:50.919 Fantastic you look at the antiquity of man from a 143 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:55.559 Hindu perspective, And in the beginning of the book, you 144 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:01.200 talk about the Piranhas, which are Indian writing, which is 145 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:06.480 the foundation of the research. Talk about what that means 146 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:12.480 and how it passes through man's antiquity. 147 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.639 Well, it's kind of interesting. Until I encountered the Piranhas, 148 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:24.600 I never really had any reason to question the accounts 149 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.919 of human origins that I got from my teachers in 150 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:35.480 high school or university. Even so, it was like having 151 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:40.279 a folk chrome you used to raise a very heavy object. 152 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:47.440 So what they contained that interested me were accounts of 153 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:53.840 human populations existing on this planet going back not one 154 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:58.759 or two or three hundred thousand years, as mainstream scientists 155 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:04.840 now accept but going back millions of years, even hundreds 156 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:09.360 of millions of years. So that was really quite astonishing, 157 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:14.600 and I decided to look into the history of archaeology, 158 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:18.360 because if you look in the current textbooks, you're going 159 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:23.360 to see only the discoveries that conform to the now 160 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:29.799 dominant paradigm that humans like us appeared fairly late in 161 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.440 the geological history of the Earth, and now they say 162 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:38.960 within the past three hundred thousand years. So when I 163 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.159 started looking into what I call the primary scientific literature, 164 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:49.759 the original reports by archaeologists and other scientists to dig 165 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:54.399 into the earth. I was surprised to find numerous accounts 166 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:00.440 of human bones, human artifacts, human footprints growing very very 167 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:04.799 far back in time. So that is something I was 168 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:10.679 able to establish. Now, the Piranhas also speak of high 169 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:16.399 levels of civilization in the very ancient past, but that 170 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:21.559 kind of takes us beyond the kind of evidence that's 171 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.000 currently available to sciences. 172 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:30.440 Would you say that the Piranhas follow the Yugas in 173 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:36.159 a fashion because the Yugas are a cyclic way to 174 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:40.320 look at human evolution, but it's never brought up in 175 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:48.600 orthodox science because it's a philosophy with a it's kind 176 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.799 of a sacred science, I guess you could call it. 177 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.879 And yeah, do you do you can you relate to 178 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.759 that at all, the Yugas and the Piranhas. 179 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:05.120 Yes, of course, even in the West, scientists and ordinary 180 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:10.039 people except the existence of cycles. We're very familiar with 181 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:16.360 the day night cycle. Most people they work study during 182 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:21.200 the day and during the night they're sleeping. And we're 183 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:26.519 also familiar in the temperate countries with the seasonal cycle 184 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:33.679 of spring summer, fall, winter, and we eat different foods 185 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.799 during the different seasons, play different sports, wear different clothes, 186 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:44.200 so we are familiar with cycles. And then there's the 187 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:51.000 business cycle boom and bus So ancient people were aware 188 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:56.720 of even larger cycles of time, and they knew the 189 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:01.279 conditions were different in each of these cycles. There's a 190 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:06.919 cycle of four yugas, a Golden age, of silver age, 191 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:15.159 copper age, and finally an Iron age, where the conditions, 192 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:22.159 the social conditions, environmental conditions start going through that cycle, 193 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:29.960 getting progressively worse with each Yuga, and then another cycle 194 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:34.919 starts again, with everything in a more or less perfect 195 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:39.759 state and then degrading as the Yuga cycles go on. 196 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:45.759 The ancient Romans and Greeks had a similar system, as 197 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:52.600 did some of the North American Indian tribal people. They 198 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:59.960 even had the same symbolism that the piranhas from ancient 199 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.960 Indian years, which was, in the case of the piranhas 200 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:11.160 a bold with four legs and over with each age 201 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:16.759 it lost one leg. So some of the North American 202 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:20.599 Plains Indians had the idea of an all buying no 203 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:26.279 buffalo that with each passing age, a cycle of four 204 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:33.279 ages lost one of his legs, So it's kind of 205 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.000 interesting how do these cross cultural parallels. 206 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:43.319 What I find interesting about the Piranhas is that the 207 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:50.000 belief the Sacred Science says that modern humans did not 208 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:56.680 evolve from ape like creatures, that they have been living 209 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:58.920 on Earth for mains and millions of years. 210 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:05.400 Well not only on Earth, according to the Piranhas, there 211 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:10.599 are four hundred thousand human like species scattered throughout the 212 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:16.559 entire universe. And another thing to consider about the Piranhic 213 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:24.759 cosmology is that it involves millions of universes simultaneously existing, 214 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:29.799 and the universes go through a cycle. If you delve 215 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:37.440 really deeply into the Paronic cosmology, you'll find that it's 216 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:44.799 you find a god, God expansion and expansion of God 217 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:51.920 called Mahadishnu, who lies on a serpent bed in the 218 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:57.160 causal ocean. And it said he's sleeping and when he 219 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:01.559 breathes out millions of year, the universe has emerged from 220 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:07.279 his body, And when he breathes in, the universes converge 221 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.960 back into his body, and the cycle goes on and 222 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:20.279 on endlessly. Universes are being manifested and then unmanifested, and 223 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:25.519 in each of them, according to the piranhas there are humans. 224 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:31.839 So in one sense you could say, I'm not an evolutionist, 225 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:37.920 I'm not a creationist. I'm kind of an emanationist. That 226 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:42.839 the human form is always available in all of these 227 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:50.880 universes throughout all time. So it's like the plan for 228 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.920 the human body is always there. 229 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:55.960 Wow. 230 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:03.119 So if we follow that format at that philosophy, when 231 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:09.119 does homo sapien sapien arrive on Earth and does it 232 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:14.599 come from? Is it planted here or delivered here by 233 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:19.599 another civilization, or does it, as our scientists will like 234 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.960 us to believe, evolve from a small amoeba. 235 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.440 Yeah, well, yeah, it's kind of interesting. This is this 236 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:34.440 is a radically different point of view. The basic concept 237 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:39.680 is that a human body or any other type of 238 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:47.839 biological organism biological form, is a vehicle for a conscious self. 239 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:53.480 That's what it is. The reason I'm alive and conscious 240 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.960 now is because there is an oma, a conscious cell. 241 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:04.519 To use religious terminology of soul, but I don't like 242 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:08.440 using that word because people begin to think, well, that's 243 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:13.599 religion that requires the belief or requires faith, and I'm 244 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.759 not into that. I just want to see what's real 245 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:24.680 consciousness is the most real thing we have in our existence. 246 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:29.759 Without it, there wouldn't be anything else, and it's something 247 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:33.799 we all experience on a daily moment to moment basis 248 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:38.759 that I'm a conscious being, your conscious being, We're all 249 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:46.079 conscious beings. So any physical body is a vehicle for 250 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:52.559 a conscious self. So I would say the plans for 251 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:59.680 those vehicles have always been there in the cosmos, and 252 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:06.480 what's injected is the conscious self, which comes or belongs 253 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:13.640 in a different level of reality. It's so in that sense, 254 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:22.839 we are all extraterrestrials. As individual conscious personal beings. We 255 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:28.839 are from another dimension of reality. The piranhas described getting 256 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:33.599 back to that picture of Maha Vishnu lying on the 257 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:38.680 cause of ocean breathing out, and the universe has emerged 258 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:45.079 from his body, and when they're out, he glances and 259 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:53.640 injects into them. The conscious sells the automost, the fragmental 260 00:22:53.799 --> 00:23:00.720 parts of the supreme conscious being that we are. He 261 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:07.640 also injects information into each universe. That information includes the 262 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:16.440 forms for the different types of physical vehicles that a 263 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.319 conscious self can occupy. So you could say this is 264 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:30.240 kind of the ultimate panspermion, the ultimate cosmopsychism. You could say, 265 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:36.000 we have a small reflection of it today and the 266 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:44.079 ideas of many scientists like rickrom Saying and even Francis Cricket. 267 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:48.400 I believe one of the co discoveries of DNA, namely 268 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:53.920 that our planet has been seeded. I agree, it's been 269 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:59.640 seated with ottomas, and it's been seeded with bedras or 270 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:06.359 of the form of human bodily vehicles and the bodily 271 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.960 dihicles of other kinds of life, so hance, hanimals, insects, fish, 272 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:12.640 and so on. 273 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:18.079 Yeah, you write that, it's your belief, and within the 274 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:25.359 Piranha teachings that modern humans lived alongside these ape like creatures, 275 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:29.519 which would make me think that at some point hundreds 276 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:31.680 of thousands of years ago or millions of years ago, 277 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:38.920 Earth was a big experiment where they are trying to 278 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:42.519 test these different types of hominins to see which one 279 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:46.400 will last, and all of a sudden, Homo sapien has 280 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:51.720 all the attributes of a longer life, a longer possibility, 281 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:56.559 and perhaps the choice was made to use Homo sapien 282 00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:58.279 because he was a survivor. 283 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:08.880 Yeah, well, I agree in principle with what you're saying. 284 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:13.079 My detailed understanding of it may be a little bit different. 285 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:18.480 They Yes, this is a testing ground, but as conscious sells, 286 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:23.559 we've arrived here and we've found all these that there 287 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:28.240 are available for us, all these different kinds of vehicles, 288 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:40.319 Homo sapiens vehicles, the undertall vehicles, regular chimpanzee and Guarrolla 289 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:49.160 vehicles all coexisting. Yeah, so to figure out you know, 290 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.359 it's like you land on a planet and you find 291 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.880 all these different vehicles available, and you wonder where did 292 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.839 they come from? What do they ford? Dry them out? 293 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:05.440 So we get to try them out one after another 294 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:10.880 in the cycle of bri incarnation. Because all of the 295 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.839 vehicles are temporary, they break down on a certain point, 296 00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:22.000 but the conscious self doesn't break down. It simply goes 297 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:28.440 into a brief state of suspended animation, and that takes 298 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:34.000 a new vehicle and experiments with all of them. But 299 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:38.960 the human vehicle is the most powerful one in the 300 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:44.079 sense that it can be used to make sense of 301 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:48.640 the whole picture and bring us to a higher level 302 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:49.519 of awareness. 303 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:57.160 I love that where these shells, these biological shells, And 304 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:01.480 what you're saying is that the consciousness, which is religiously 305 00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:04.279 thought of as the soul, tries out. 306 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.319 These different vehicles. I love that analogy. 307 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.839 Let's get into modern human in your book, and I 308 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.319 didn't know this, but you describe modern humans as having 309 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:23.720 identified identifying attributes. One is high, smooth forehead. What are 310 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.680 what are some of the other definitions of a modern human? 311 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:34.400 Well, this is something that I changed my ideas on 312 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:42.920 over the years. The standard, you could say, her default 313 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:47.680 definition of what it means to be a modern human 314 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:53.720 in terms of skeletal characteristics would be that smooth forehead, 315 00:27:54.079 --> 00:28:02.400 a chin, no eyebrow ridges, or a bar going across. 316 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:08.519 But the thing is so that they what they originally 317 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:16.599 did was say, okay, the individuals with the smooth foreheads, 318 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:24.240 the developed chins, those are Homo sapiens. And if you 319 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:33.440 have a low forehead, eyebrow ridges, and no or very 320 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:40.000 small chin, you're something else. You're neandertall, you're a different species. 321 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.039 But there are living populations of humans on this planet 322 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:51.519 who have those features and scientists don't call them a 323 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:59.400 different species. So that is leading me to think we 324 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:06.440 have to expand our definition of what it means from 325 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:13.000 a skeletal point of view to be modern human Homo sapiens. 326 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.079 One way to deal with it is to break things 327 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:25.839 down into subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens for the classic modern human, 328 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:34.920 Homo sapiens, neanderthalns is for the Neanderthals, Homo sapiens, erectus 329 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:40.279 for Homo erectis, and so on like that, which kind 330 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:45.640 of is interesting because it expands the range of the 331 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:51.079 kind of evidence that scientists now accepts as being evidence 332 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:54.720 for human presence, pushing it very far back in time. 333 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.559 We're going to take a short commercial break to allow 334 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.599 our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly 335 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:09.720 with my guest today, Michael Cremo, presenting his new book, 336 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:58.119 Extreme Human Antiquity. Will be right back. My guest today 337 00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:02.000 is author research investigator Michael Krimo. He's the author of 338 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:06.640 a new book called Extreme Human Antiquity. This is a 339 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:12.559 continuation of his work in the forbidden archaeology genre, and 340 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:16.279 we're discussing this new release in the details of the book. 341 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:23.359 Why should we. 342 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:31.400 Be interested in extreme antiquity of humans? Why care about this? 343 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.440 Are you a good question? I think? To me, what 344 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.680 it indicates is that we're here for a purpose. We're 345 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:47.279 not accidental creatures and an accidental universe. It means if 346 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:52.319 this evidence is taken seriously, which I believe it should be, 347 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:58.480 means we need new explanations for human origins. And I 348 00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:05.319 think those questions are going to involve consciousness. It's a 349 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:11.279 big problem for science. In July I was in Barcelona 350 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:16.960 and Spain for a meeting of the Science of Consciousness Group. 351 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:24.279 It's a big international organization of cognitive scientists others working 352 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:31.319 in the neuroscience field trying to explain consciousness. Charles Darwin 353 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.920 recognized consciousness was a problem for his theory because at 354 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.440 some point he was going to have to explain how 355 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:46.240 consciousness comes from matter, and he couldn't do it. And 356 00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.799 he said he predicted He said, well this will be 357 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:54.240 solved by scientists in the far distant future. Well, you know, 358 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.880 the far distant future has arrived and still no solution. 359 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:05.079 So I think that is the big products of the 360 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:11.039 problem in modern science today, how do you explain consciousness? 361 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.559 So I think it's going to eventually involve understanding that 362 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:22.599 consciousness doesn't produce matter. It can simply become covered by it, 363 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:29.400 as we are now covered in these body suits vehicles. 364 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:33.599 Yeah. Interesting. 365 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.000 Now, one of the things I want I want to 366 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:40.440 talk about with you is that you have different definitions 367 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:50.039 of antiquity or different categories. You have skeleton, dental, footprint, cultural, 368 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.440 and so on. And I was curious, before we get 369 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.119 into the actual case studies that you feature in your book, 370 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:03.359 I have come up with a thought on this antiquity 371 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:12.639 regarding evidence of reuse of temples and pyramids and things 372 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:17.679 like that. And it's now been shown through. And I've 373 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.159 had a couple of people on my program who are 374 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:28.559 Egyptologists that the reuse of ancient temples, perhaps pyramids, perhaps 375 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:37.639 artifacts is now established, especially in predynastic Egypt or dynastic Egypt, 376 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.840 where they would use the burial. 377 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:42.880 Goods. 378 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.639 And this has been found out with King tutan Common 379 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:53.440 his death mask was designed for an uncle or an aunt, 380 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.280 I think, but he came around and so they refitted 381 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.000 for him. And I think, and it's becoming obvious to 382 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.199 me that a lot of these temples, and I think 383 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.039 the pyramids were there thousands of years prior to the 384 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.440 arrival of the Egyptians. And I'm wondering, does this come 385 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.159 into your thinking when you write your work as a 386 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:26.920 potential identification of a great age. 387 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:32.639 Well, yes, it has. I haven't formally introduced it into 388 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.400 my work at the present moment, but I am thinking 389 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:43.000 about it because there are researchers who have done studies 390 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:50.840 of the alignments of these temple structures. Typically, if you 391 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:56.599 look at ancient structures, most of the cultures were very 392 00:35:56.679 --> 00:36:07.119 aware of complex astronomical aspects of the cosmos, and they 393 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:15.639 align structures to the north the geographic North Pole. And 394 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:22.639 the problem is not a problem. It's actually very interesting 395 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:29.079 is that the position of the geographical north Pole has 396 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:36.760 varied over the thousands and thousands of years. So I 397 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:44.920 have seen studies that look at the orientation of large 398 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.679 numbers of temple structures or ancient monument structures all over 399 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:55.840 the world, and they point in slightly different directions that 400 00:36:56.039 --> 00:37:01.159 correspond to the known position of the geography north pole 401 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.400