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<v Speaker 1>This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Teleah and we are

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<v Speaker 2>Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Shannon, Hey girl, how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I am doing pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Monday, Yay, start of a new week. Oh and

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<v Speaker 3>it's Halloween this week.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, HALLOWEENI who are.

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<v Speaker 3>You gonna have a lot of kids?

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<v Speaker 2>You think, Oh, yeah, my neighborhood, like people come from

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<v Speaker 2>other neighborhoods, and oh, like they park in it doesn't bother.

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<v Speaker 2>I know some people are all uppity about it, like

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<v Speaker 2>alle shouldn't do that. But you know what, my family

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<v Speaker 2>used to do that because where I grew up there

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<v Speaker 2>was no houses across the street. It was woods and

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<v Speaker 2>the houses in between were like a quarter mile. So

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<v Speaker 2>my parents would take me to the rich ass neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, as good parents do.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, So I don't mind, you know, so by buy

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<v Speaker 2>an extra three bags of candy, like, for fuck's.

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<v Speaker 4>Sake, just exactly. It is one night, keep the kids safe.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm kind of glad. I don't get to go

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<v Speaker 4>out and where I live more of like space depart.

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<v Speaker 4>So the neighbor told me, I'm like, should I get some?

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<v Speaker 3>And she's like, no, we're good.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like all right, because I was gonna unscrew

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<v Speaker 4>my bald anyway. I I like my evening's quiet, and

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<v Speaker 4>I like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you don't have a lot of kids in

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<v Speaker 2>your neighborhood though, do you.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not really at all. It's an older crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought, so, well.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you got girl?

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<v Speaker 2>What you're gonna bring is I have a very interesting case.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a man named Michael Wayne Jones Junior.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh oh yeah, no, Wayne's.

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<v Speaker 2>I know those three names right figure. His crimes are

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<v Speaker 2>heinous and I'm just gonna warn everybody there is violence

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<v Speaker 2>against children in this one, so everybody's warned before we

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<v Speaker 2>get into it. Just want to remind everyone to hit

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<v Speaker 2>subscribe or follow on whatever app you're listening to. And

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<v Speaker 2>I will start off by telling you that. On September sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, police officers responded to a car crash in

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<v Speaker 2>the city of Hiccock, which is in Brantley County, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>The vehicle was being driven by Michael Wayne Jones Junior,

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<v Speaker 2>and his car was a white Chrysler pacifica like mini van.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember those, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the only car that was involved in this accident. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>he basically crashed it. And when police responded to the crash,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody was prepared for what Michael had to say about

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, Casey and his children. Michael wasn't from Brantley County, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually crashed as he was making a long drive

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<v Speaker 2>from Summerfield, Florida, which is where he lived, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>about sixty miles from Orlando. Okay, So when he had

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<v Speaker 2>crashed the mini van, he had driven already about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty miles. In Summerfield, Florida, Michael lived in

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<v Speaker 2>a house that he shared with his wife, Casey, who's

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two at the time, and their four shared children.

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<v Speaker 2>There were Michael's two step sons, nine year old Cameron

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<v Speaker 2>Bowers and four year old Preston Bowers, and then his

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<v Speaker 2>two biological children with Casey. His daughter's two year old

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<v Speaker 2>were Cali and eleven month old I Am. Okay, so Casey,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you a little bit about her. She

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<v Speaker 2>was almost a Chris miss Baby born December twenty third,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six to her parents, Nikki and David, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was born in Goshen, Indiana. I think that's how

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<v Speaker 2>you say it. Before she was a stay at home mom.

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<v Speaker 2>She graduated from Elkhart Memorial High School in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five, and she had moved to Florida about a

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<v Speaker 2>decade before the murder. I mean, I really can't blame

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<v Speaker 2>her from leaving Indiana in.

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<v Speaker 3>The Midwest going to sunny Florida, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>She had a twin brother who passed away, and she

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<v Speaker 2>had two sisters, Brandy and Sarah. She also had two

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<v Speaker 2>half brothers and three half sisters. After her parents separated,

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<v Speaker 2>they got remarried to other people. Casey was known to

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<v Speaker 2>be a beautiful person both inside and out, and friends

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<v Speaker 2>spoke really highly of her. I always wonder what people

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<v Speaker 2>would say about me if I were to die. I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if they'd be like, oh, she was such an asshole.

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<v Speaker 3>Stop it.

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<v Speaker 4>No one would say that you are hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, she was. She laughed, she made me laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>She was so helpful. Oh my gosh, she was so

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<v Speaker 3>lit up a room. Jop, you are so I would

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<v Speaker 3>be a little concerned. I'd be like, well, what was I.

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<v Speaker 4>Going through at the time. I'm not excusing my behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>I I'm a fucking delight. I'm a sweet heart to

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<v Speaker 4>the core.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, as I told my husband, I am charming as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, Riz, I've.

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<v Speaker 4>Been waiting for everybody to invent a word almost as

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<v Speaker 4>cool as me.

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<v Speaker 3>Riz, Riz Sam. But then I am bot so glass in.

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<v Speaker 2>Your modest yes. So Casey was always there for her

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones in their time of need. Her children were

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<v Speaker 2>the lights of her entire world. She was a great

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<v Speaker 2>mom who would do absolutely anything in everything for her kids.

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<v Speaker 2>When Casey and Michael first met, he was married to

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<v Speaker 2>his first wife, Sarah. Sarah was working at the Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Dora Veterinary Hospital, which is in Orange County, Florida. When

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah was working as the receptionist, she told her boss

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<v Speaker 2>that she and her husband were eventually going to be

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<v Speaker 2>moving to Vermont to be closer to her mom because

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't find any work. So this was about seven

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<v Speaker 2>or eight years prior to the murders. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about. The owner of the VAT hospital wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to keep Sarah, so he hired Michael too to be

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<v Speaker 2>a veterinary technician.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, yeah, he does a lot about Sarah too.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll tell you when you told said Casey's name,

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<v Speaker 4>I just got such great vibes from the name and

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<v Speaker 4>just yeah what you had said about I think her,

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<v Speaker 4>oh her birthday. Yeah, I'm like cap as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>she said it, So you actually did the Capricorn but

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<v Speaker 4>very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And eventually Casey was also hired as an employee at

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<v Speaker 2>the VAT Hospital and that's when she and Michael started

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<v Speaker 2>seeing each other behind Sarah's back. You know, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>stay what you love, though, Shannon. When Sarah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>When Sarah found out about this affair, she immediately asked

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<v Speaker 2>Michael for a divorce, and during the divorce, Michael moved

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<v Speaker 2>in with the owner of the vet hospital, which that

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<v Speaker 2>was a little odd.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I think so too, of course, Sarah. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like betrayal it all. Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>He ended up staying with the owner of the vet

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<v Speaker 2>hospital until many fabricated lies were found out about Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>and she was terminated and then his job was also

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<v Speaker 2>terminated at that same time. What yeah, so they both lost.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh she so Sarah is not this sweet girl.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Sarah is. I don't know who was lying about Sarah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know. Yeah, I don't know who was

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, if it was Michael or what. Anyway, back

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<v Speaker 2>to the crash. Okay, when police responded to his car crash,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael said some really eerie words. He said, quote, you

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<v Speaker 2>may want to put me in handcuffs because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>dead body inside the vehicle. So the police are like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? And so they waste no time putting

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<v Speaker 2>him in handcuffs and they put him in the police cruiser.

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<v Speaker 2>They then obviously searched the van and they discovered something really,

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<v Speaker 2>really gruesome. In the back of the van. They found

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<v Speaker 2>a large plastic storage bin, like a big giant rubber maid,

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<v Speaker 2>and when it was open, they found Casey's remains, which

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<v Speaker 2>had been in the storage bin for two months.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, oh my god. Can you can you say the smile?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm gonna talk about that later. Yeah, can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine? Like so, after finding Casey dead in the

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<v Speaker 2>storage container, Michael confessed and he said he'd not only

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<v Speaker 2>murdered Casey, but also they're shared for children.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Two days prior to crashing the mini van, Casey's mom, Nikki,

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<v Speaker 2>called for a welfare check, and this is like September fourteenth. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a missing person's report that was filed at

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<v Speaker 2>this time, and the report it's been like six weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>six weeks since the last time, like NICKI really talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Casey, like physically talked to her. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure what the hold up was. Actually I do know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you a little bit about it later.

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<v Speaker 2>But Nicki filed this after she couldn't get a hold

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<v Speaker 2>of Casey during these six weeks. The report included Casey's description.

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<v Speaker 2>She was five foot eight, she weighed about one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty pounds, and she had blonde hair and blue eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>And a little further down the report was the information

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<v Speaker 2>on her four children and their dates of birth, and

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<v Speaker 2>then a description of the Chrysler PACIFICA van and the

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<v Speaker 2>missing person's report was distributed to other law enforcement agencies

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<v Speaker 2>the following day, September fifteenth. So, following up on the

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<v Speaker 2>missing person's report, police went to check on the family

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<v Speaker 2>home in Summerfield, Florida, that same day, that September fifteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>They discovered nobody was home. The house was emptied and

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<v Speaker 2>it clearly smelled of decomposition. Oh yeah. The local news

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<v Speaker 2>did an interview with Casey's mom, Niki, like right around

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<v Speaker 2>this time, and she said, quote, I've never been so scared.

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<v Speaker 2>They the police, meaning the police, don't know where she's at.

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<v Speaker 2>They went to the house and she's gone. The house

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<v Speaker 2>is empty end quote. She was just really terrified, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously that something had happened to Casey and the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And the interviewer asked about our grandkids. Nicki stated, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>they're my whole world. They're just like my kids. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what I would do without any of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I want them home safe. And her initial call was

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<v Speaker 2>placed because she was petrified that Michael may have calmed

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<v Speaker 2>Casey or the kids. So that's what really prompted her,

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<v Speaker 2>because she's like, something's not right right. So the cops

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<v Speaker 2>go to check on this house and they smell the

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<v Speaker 2>decomposition coming from the home, and they contact the landlord.

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<v Speaker 2>The landlord told police that the eviction process had already

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<v Speaker 2>come out against Michael and Casey, and the cops went

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<v Speaker 2>inside to search the residents. The police department put out

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<v Speaker 2>a release stating that they were looking for Michael and

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<v Speaker 2>for any information on the whereabouts of his family members

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<v Speaker 2>since the house just reeked of death, but I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it was bad. The police went over to speak with

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<v Speaker 2>Michael and Casey's neighbors, who did say that Michael appeared,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to be on some sort of drug or

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<v Speaker 2>under the influence of something when they last saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>The neighbors also said they really didn't know the Jones

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<v Speaker 2>family all that well because they mostly kept to themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>One neighbor was actually contacted by the property manager and

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<v Speaker 2>he was asked to walk through the house with him

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<v Speaker 2>because of the terrible smell. At that time, nothing had

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<v Speaker 2>been taken or removed from the house all like when

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<v Speaker 2>this guy did the walkthrough, like all personal items had

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<v Speaker 2>been untouched. Really yeah, and he had described it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the smell was of something dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye.

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<v Speaker 2>The following day, the family minivan was seen in the

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>When the eviction notice had started, Initially, Casey's phone had

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<v Speaker 2>been contacted, but the landlord was told she had nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with Michael any longer, and if he needed

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<v Speaker 2>to speak about the eviction further, then the landlord would

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<v Speaker 2>need to contact Michael. And I'm not sure who this

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<v Speaker 2>is on the phone, and I'm not climbing, but the

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<v Speaker 2>When the wellness check was done, the landlord was on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone with officers. The officers told him that he

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<v Speaker 2>that a cleaning service had been called and some small

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<v Speaker 2>repairs had been completed. They found dark red stains, and

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<v Speaker 2>they found a gallon sized container of cleaning products. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the baseboards showed a discoloration in comparison with the rest,

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<v Speaker 2>and the responding officers what repairs had been done by

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<v Speaker 2>the cleaning service At this time. I guess the landlord

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<v Speaker 2>being in the house. So they left immediately and the

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<v Speaker 2>keys were placed back inside the lock box. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when they did, Major Crimes was called and the house

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<v Speaker 2>was considered a crime scene. Right they found a mop

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<v Speaker 2>and bucket that still contained a fluid in it. Located

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<v Speaker 2>in the living room, so the bucket was tested for

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<v Speaker 2>DNA and evidence was gathered from that specifically, and they

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<v Speaker 2>figured it was clear. You know, maybe Michael tried to

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<v Speaker 2>clean up too, because some of the vinyl flooring was

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<v Speaker 2>cut out from the house since there appeared to be

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<v Speaker 2>like bodily fluids that leaked out soaking it. That was

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<v Speaker 2>in a spare bedroom. Base boards were also soaked with

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<v Speaker 2>bodily fluids in the northeast corner of the spare bedroom.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an initial.

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<v Speaker 3>Gross hold on one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm just trying to comprehend because when you had

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<v Speaker 4>me that she was in a bucket or that's the

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<v Speaker 4>rubber maid. Yeah, and now if Mom's already called six

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<v Speaker 4>weeks ago, so you just figure it's been around that

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<v Speaker 4>time she's been gone at least, like just in our

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<v Speaker 4>business of true crime podcasts, I'm just going to jump

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<v Speaker 4>and say, as soon as Mom felt something, then that's

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<v Speaker 4>when Casey was probably already gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if it's been six weeks and in this she's

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<v Speaker 4>got to be decomposing in a p to a liquid bite,

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<v Speaker 4>I would imagine, you know, when you told me, I

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<v Speaker 4>was just like, oh my.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, Yeah, there has, I mean six weeks and the smell.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you smelled death before? Girl? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Like how they say you just don't forget it

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<v Speaker 4>and it is so putrid and like I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know if that isn't the putrid acrid imprint on your brain,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like when he crashes, it's like mid September,

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<v Speaker 2>so six weeks before that, it's like July in Floyda, in.

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<v Speaker 4>Florida, and he's living with the smell. Yeah, of surmise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's disgusting, right, Oh, I'm sorry, No, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an initial interview or interrogation that Michael had

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<v Speaker 2>with the detectives, and during this initial interview or interrogation,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael would confess some pretty creepy details. The interview was

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<v Speaker 2>done on the same day as the crash. Michael spoke

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<v Speaker 2>with authorities to explain what was going on. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that the night he killed Casey, which was July tenth.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty nineteen, oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>They had been arguing and I guess she supposedly reached

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<v Speaker 2>for a baseball bat that was near a recliner like

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<v Speaker 2>in the I guess in the living room, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said that she broadsided him, or she poked him, or

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<v Speaker 2>she did something with it. Casey had no criminal record

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<v Speaker 2>and there were no reports of Michael being violent with

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<v Speaker 2>her in the past. Casey's sister, Sarah pleaded with her

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<v Speaker 2>to leave Michael like in the past before this night,

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<v Speaker 2>because I guess she had told Sarah that Michael had

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<v Speaker 2>been violent. There were signs of physical abuse, but she

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<v Speaker 2>stayed with Michael because she loved him, and probably because

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<v Speaker 2>of the kids, and probably because she was a stay

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<v Speaker 2>at home mom and she, you know, she might have

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<v Speaker 2>felt trapped. I don't know. I'm not trying to speak

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<v Speaker 2>for her, but I can imagine. And according to some reports,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael was an ex marine, and it seemed that she

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<v Speaker 2>needed the bat kind of to defend herself. Maybe, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what her family initially thought. According to Michael, he

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<v Speaker 2>and Casey get into this argument and after or during

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<v Speaker 2>she accuses him of cheating on her. While she was

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<v Speaker 2>accusing him inside the home in Summerfield, she has this

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<v Speaker 2>metal bat in her hand, and as it gets more heated,

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<v Speaker 2>she pokes him. That sets him off. He grabs the

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<v Speaker 2>baseball bat out of her hand and he whacks her

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<v Speaker 2>in the hud with it. He then proceeds to pummel

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<v Speaker 2>her to death by repeatedly bashing in her head with

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<v Speaker 2>this aluminum baseball bat.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>And after she was dead, Michael moved her body, placing

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<v Speaker 2>it inside a plastic storage bin and he put the

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<v Speaker 2>spin in the back of his closet in the home.

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<v Speaker 2>And according to Michael in one of his interrogations, the

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<v Speaker 2>kids were asleep when this happened, so they were home.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that she's out of the way, Michael decides

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to get rid of the kids that weren't

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<v Speaker 2>biologically his, which is Cameron and Preston. So for the

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<v Speaker 2>next two weeks, Casey's body remained in the closet, and

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<v Speaker 2>during these two weeks, her two sons went to spend

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<v Speaker 2>time with their biological father. His name was Richard Bowers,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was getting toward the end of the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's before the start of the next school year.

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<v Speaker 2>They go to see their dad for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Ayana and Mrcali were sent to see their grandmother, Nikki,

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<v Speaker 2>you know Casey's mom, So they were gone for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks, and when the four kids came back

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<v Speaker 2>home to live with Michael, they had no idea what

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<v Speaker 2>Michael had planned for them. The next morning, before school,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael walked into Cameron's room, ripped him from his bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and strangled him to death. Sadly, according to the police report,

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<v Speaker 2>he kneeled on Cameron's chest to stop him from breathing

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<v Speaker 2>and screaming while he used his hands for manual strangulation

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the entire ordeal. Preston was asleep in the next room.

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron's lifeless body was then placed into a suitcase while

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<v Speaker 2>he took care of Preston. So Michael had exerted a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of strength to kill Cameron, and his hands were

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<v Speaker 2>really sore like afterwards, like boo fucking who, So he

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was best to just like chill that full

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<v Speaker 2>day and night so he could regain his strength to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to kill Preston. Although Preston's like four, So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much strength you really need, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. I've never killed anybody, I guess, so.

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<v Speaker 4>It does take quite a bit of strength to I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>they make it look like it's super easy to strangle someone.

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<v Speaker 2>To death, I know, And it takes a while with.

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<v Speaker 4>Your bare hands. It takes eight fucking a lot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it really does make sense with even if he's nine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's a psychopath anyway, Yeah, I'd imagine he's getting

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<v Speaker 4>some kind of fucking who even knows what he's thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>Number one?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, And this is just fucking sick.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, as a marine, it seems like that would be

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<v Speaker 4>how he killed his son.

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<v Speaker 3>Or a step son. Would be a way to silently

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<v Speaker 3>kill some an enemy, right, something that he would have

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<v Speaker 3>learned in the Marines.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's possible, right, So, and I just kept wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>like why didn't Preston ask where Cameron was the next day?

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know, he's four, you know, Michael made

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<v Speaker 2>up some bullshit, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, Oh yeah, for the four year olds is totally

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<v Speaker 4>gonna believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, trust, yes, exactly. And I think they're like, where's mom?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I would think too. But anyway, so the

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<v Speaker 2>following night, he goes into Preston's room to kill him.

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<v Speaker 2>Upon honering his room, he puts a zip tie around

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<v Speaker 2>the little boy's neck. He later confessed that he thought

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<v Speaker 2>of using the zip tie after he struggled to kill Cameron.

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<v Speaker 2>After placing the zip tie, he carried Preston into the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>He then placed his body into the tub, put a

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<v Speaker 2>rag in the drain, and then drowned Preston under the

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<v Speaker 2>running bathtub faucet while pulling on the zip tie.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a fucking cont God, damn, this is so disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so right. What a trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's got time, he's got time to think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you could have stopped himself, Like, okay, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>snapped and killed Casey. Not that it's okay, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>over this heat of passion shit, you know, but the

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<v Speaker 2>kids like, why don't you just send the boys to

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<v Speaker 2>see their dad again? I don't want the fuck right,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't eat.

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<v Speaker 4>This is fucking sociopath shit, motherfucker. Oh tan, I just

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<v Speaker 4>want them, you know, like the eye for eye shit's

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<v Speaker 4>coming out real strong, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>So Michael is telling the police during this interrogation that

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<v Speaker 2>the timing around Cameron and Preston visiting their dad. The

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<v Speaker 2>boys were gone for about two weeks to spend some

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<v Speaker 2>time with their dad, you know, before school started again.

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<v Speaker 2>They were brought back home on their scheduled drop off day,

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<v Speaker 2>and they met at a common meeting place, which was

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<v Speaker 2>a mall, like a local mall. Michael said that for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, Richard, the boy's father, lost contact with everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, like, over the years, maybe I basically

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<v Speaker 2>fell off the face of the earth, is how Michael

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<v Speaker 2>described it, like for a few years. Richard eventually got

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<v Speaker 2>visitation rights, but they were unsure if they were court

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<v Speaker 2>ordered at the time. That you know, Michael's telling the

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<v Speaker 2>story right when the boys go to visit their dad.

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<v Speaker 2>The girls were home with Michael and they go to

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<v Speaker 2>Nicky's and then they come home after their visit and

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<v Speaker 2>they were enrolled to start their next school year, but

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<v Speaker 2>they never made it because they were also murdered. Michael said.

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<v Speaker 2>He claimed that he thought about turning himself in before

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<v Speaker 2>he killed his daughters, but apparently he decided against it

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<v Speaker 2>since he really wasn't caught until he crashed that van.

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<v Speaker 4>And then, yeah, yeah, but you wanted to share your

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<v Speaker 4>thought about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Eat a dick fuck, I know, right, Yeah, Remember I

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<v Speaker 5>told you it took Nicky about six weeks to do

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<v Speaker 5>this welfare chock and the missing person's report.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think what contributed to it was Michael had

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<v Speaker 2>Casey's smartphone and he would use it to keep her

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<v Speaker 2>friends and family, you know, thinking that she was still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>He confessed to texting people pretending to be her, and

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<v Speaker 2>he even went as far as to post on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>using her profile, Oh my gosh, what a psycho Casey is.

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<v Speaker 2>Older sister, who was named Sarah, actually called the police

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<v Speaker 2>to report that she had been seeing some alarming things

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<v Speaker 2>on her sister's Facebook page after she gotten a hold

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<v Speaker 2>of an officer who was working the case. Sarah said

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<v Speaker 2>that she would talk to Casey at least once every

423
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<v Speaker 2>two weeks, depending on, you know, what was going on

424
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.720
<v Speaker 2>in their lives. The weird thing was she hadn't heard

425
00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.799
<v Speaker 2>from Casey since August twenty sixth, and the only thing

426
00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:48.200
<v Speaker 2>she actually saw from her sister was a post that

427
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, supposedly Casey made on her own profile about

428
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<v Speaker 2>losing everything.

429
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.559
<v Speaker 3>So you know, that was August.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was at the end of August. So since

431
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Casey had been dead since light tenth.

432
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm trying to map out.

433
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.200
<v Speaker 2>This, Yes, like six weeks. Her family had no idea

434
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.599
<v Speaker 2>she wasn't the one texting and posting on Facebook to

435
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:14.599
<v Speaker 2>make things even more worrisome for Sarah. Casey's oldest son's

436
00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 2>birthday had gone by and so did Sarah's, and Casey

437
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't reach out in regard to either one of them

438
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.599
<v Speaker 2>on their birthdays or like post about her son, didn't

439
00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.400
<v Speaker 2>wish Sarah a happy birthday, So Sarah knew that something's

440
00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:33.480
<v Speaker 2>wrong because Casey always posted about birthdays on Facebook. Right

441
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.359
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks prior to the missing persons report, Nikki

442
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.400
<v Speaker 2>had gotten a text from Casey's phone. The text message

443
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>was Michael, because Casey was dead by this time, asking

444
00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.160
<v Speaker 2>if she could watch the girls for a while. Nicki

445
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.400
<v Speaker 2>later said that Michael was bying time and he was

446
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 2>using Casey's phone to do so. When Nicky agreed to

447
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:52.920
<v Speaker 2>watch the kids, she was expecting to see her daughter

448
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.039
<v Speaker 2>at the drop off, but since she was already dead,

449
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Michael was the one who left the kids with Nicki.

450
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.599
<v Speaker 2>A few days prior to the original pickup date, Michael

451
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>again texted from Casey's phone and asked Nicky if she

452
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<v Speaker 2>could watch the girls for a few more days. She

453
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<v Speaker 2>of course agreed to. I don't know why he just

454
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<v Speaker 2>didn't leave them but yeah, you know, Throughout the entire

455
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<v Speaker 2>time she was watching the girls, Nicky had zero communication

456
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:25.599
<v Speaker 2>with Casey, verbal or otherwise, and since this was highly unusual,

457
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 2>alarm bells had already started going off and Nicky's head,

458
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.920
<v Speaker 2>but she waited to act on it because she's probably thinking,

459
00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:36.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, everything's fine, you know. So she was stunned

460
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.400
<v Speaker 2>after Michael came alone again to pick up the girls

461
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<v Speaker 2>without Casey, especially after the text messages all came from

462
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Casey's phone. When it was time for the boys to

463
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 2>come home from their dad's house, Michael used her phone

464
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.640
<v Speaker 2>to communicate with Richard to make it seem like Casey

465
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<v Speaker 2>was still alive. He eventually confessed to smashing her phone

466
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<v Speaker 2>and throwing it into a dumpster. Richard later called the

467
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.240
<v Speaker 2>police after seeing a Facebook post. The post was an

468
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>announcement asking that anyone called the Marion County Police Department

469
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.559
<v Speaker 2>if they had any information. When he called the police,

470
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>he was actually asking for more information about his ex wife,

471
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<v Speaker 2>since to his knowledge, there was nothing wrong, because I

472
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:16.680
<v Speaker 2>think it might have been something about her like the

473
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>missing prit He and Casey never kept in constant contact

474
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.240
<v Speaker 2>with one another, but they would communicate from time to

475
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.640
<v Speaker 2>time using a cell phone app for their child custody agreement.

476
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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

477
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Richard told officers that it was really alarming to him

478
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.759
<v Speaker 2>since Casey had not posted anything on Facebook since the

479
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.599
<v Speaker 2>end of August, and she would post at least once

480
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>a day. I like how the social media like you know,

481
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 2>people's habits, right.

482
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Why it's a good way to keep tabs.

483
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. After speaking with Sarah and Richard, a bolo,

484
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>which is beyond the lookout, was sent out for the

485
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 2>white Chrysler PACIFICA. Richard Bowers did end up calling the

486
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>police department again and he left a voicemail upon the

487
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.599
<v Speaker 2>returned call. Richard had quite a bit to say about

488
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Michael's treatment toward Cameron, specifically during the time that Richard

489
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.400
<v Speaker 2>had the boys in July and again in August. Cameron

490
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 2>actually told him that Michael was physically abusive toward him

491
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and Preston. He also noted that he and Casey fought

492
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot, like he told his dad, you know, mom

493
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 2>and Michael fight a lot, and that the fights between

494
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Casey and Michael were almost every single night. Cameron told

495
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.640
<v Speaker 2>his dad that these fights would go on for hours

496
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:35.039
<v Speaker 2>and they eventually became physical. Wow, yeah, Richard, let the

497
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 2>officers know that Michael beat Cameron and Preston with close

498
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>hangers whenever he got angry.

499
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 3>I hate, I know, as if there was a measure.

500
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.440
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that Casey's mom he had a feeling?

501
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 4>You know, in abusive relationships, you have this timecy to

502
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.319
<v Speaker 4>portray like old's not as bad as it seems, right,

503
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 4>Just this is just a spat, This is just a

504
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 4>phase moms.

505
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Now, Yeah, I think she knew something was off.

506
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Something, Yeah, I was, you know, like but hoping like

507
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 4>because because if you go after as a momy, you're like,

508
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 4>I hate this fucker. Well guess how tighter she's gonna

509
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 4>hold on to him?

510
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, So you got to help.

511
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.079
<v Speaker 3>And be all like, okay, because of my.

512
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:31.720
<v Speaker 4>Daughter, you getting or getting a huge blessing, which is

513
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:36.160
<v Speaker 4>my acception, you know, or I'm holding my tongue because

514
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:37.920
<v Speaker 4>it's just.

515
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I wonder too, like did Sarah, her sister, ever say

516
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>anything to their mom, Like was she like, oh, Keitha

517
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 2>told me, you know, such and such, Like I wonder

518
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 2>if they were if they had that kind of relationship

519
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>or if it was just something wonder and Sarah, But yeah,

520
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Ni Nicky knew something was wrong, and you know, I

521
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 2>think when stuff like this happens, you think, Okay, there's

522
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 2>got to be a logical explaination, right, Like it can't

523
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 2>be the worst. Like you know, of course you're gonna

524
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>think the worst. Like that's always where my mind goes, like, Oh,

525
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>she's dead, right, But you're you're like, okay, no, she's

526
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>it's probably okay. She's just busy the school, yeah, starting

527
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's getting whatever ready for the kids, and

528
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>you know she just hasn't had time to call or

529
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.839
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever. But then when Michael shows up again,

530
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like to pick up the kids, I'd be like, what.

531
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Like why am I keep seeing you? But I'm not

532
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 3>hearing enough from my daughter?

533
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like we're going on, you know.

534
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 3>So.

535
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Richard also said that Michael had a warrant out for

536
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>his arrest a few years prior to the disappearances, and

537
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the incident that led to that was it happened in

538
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Orange County. Michael burglarized his place of work, that veterinary hospital.

539
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>That's probably why he got fired, so when he warrant

540
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>was still out on him. Richard said that Casey rented

541
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.759
<v Speaker 2>out a storage unit and kept Michael in there so

542
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>police couldn't find him. Casey really loved Michael, I mean,

543
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 2>and it was pretty clear that she would have done

544
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>anything for him, regardless of how she was treated. I mean,

545
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>she was really loyal in that way.

546
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh so poisonous to her.

547
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you can call it loyalty, right, And I'm

548
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:23.039
<v Speaker 4>not bashing her at all. It's just what happens in

549
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.640
<v Speaker 4>these very hard you know, where a bigger heart, but

550
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.559
<v Speaker 4>then someone else has a more manipulative, right, harmful, but

551
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.799
<v Speaker 4>you have no Yeah, like you said, like you don't

552
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 4>think it's as bad as your first ping pong thought

553
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:39.920
<v Speaker 4>of going to the worst somewhere in an acceptable medium,

554
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, a digestible medium.

555
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:46.319
<v Speaker 3>This is like I'm vomiting all this up, you know, in.

556
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.599
<v Speaker 4>A angry way, for the kids and for her.

557
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>I know, it's just the kid.

558
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that piece should I know. So Michael

559
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 2>waited two whole weeks before he killed his two daughters,

560
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 2>so he had a shit ton of time.

561
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, exactly decided not thinking about it.

562
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So somewhere around August twenty third, he was served

563
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>in eviction notice, so he knew his time's running out

564
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>like the clock is ticking for how long he has

565
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.880
<v Speaker 2>to be there. He eventually drowned Murcallay and Ayana, just

566
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>as he did to Cameron. And after Michael killed his

567
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 2>five family members, he packed their bodies into individual plastic toats,

568
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>put them in the white mini van and he left

569
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.480
<v Speaker 2>them there. So he knows he's going to be kicked out,

570
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>so he is trying to come up with a plan,

571
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 2>like what is he going to do? So on September one,

572
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Michael drove to visit his first wife, Sarah, and I'm

573
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>not sure why, but police spoke with his ex wife.

574
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 2>Sarah confirmed that she never saw Cameron, Preston, mrcalli, or

575
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Ayana when he came to visit. He came alone. She

576
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 2>also said that Michael's older son that he had with

577
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 2>her commented that the white minivan smelled like dead animals. Oh,

578
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the bodies are still in the minivan like when he

579
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 2>goes to visit them, and he tried using a cleaning

580
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 2>spray and mothballs to mask the smell of their decomposing bodies.

581
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 2>During one of his interrogations with police, Michael was told

582
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that the decomposition could be smelled as far away as

583
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>fifty feet. That's quite a bit.

584
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

585
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.319
<v Speaker 2>He then asked if anyone spoke to Michael about the smell, like,

586
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, dude, did anybody mention it? When you were.

587
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 4>Anybody address slopping as a marine? I would think he

588
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 4>had a little experience.

589
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's visiting his ex wife and his older children, Like,

590
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 2>did anybody mention it? And He's like, no, nobody ever

591
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.240
<v Speaker 2>said a word to him about the smell. Michael was

592
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.440
<v Speaker 2>asked if he could smell anything, could you smell it?

593
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>And Michael said, well, once you got up to it,

594
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>like right before you opened a container, you could smell it.

595
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>But he claimed, you know, you couldn't smell it. He

596
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 2>did say there were flies flying around everywhere, so he

597
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 2>would spray a fly spray, like a killing spray around

598
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 2>to help mask the smell and to get the flies out.

599
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 2>When the police asked him, you know, why did you

600
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>kill Casey, he said their marriage had been falling apart

601
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 2>for quite some time, and then he said, quote, it

602
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>just got worse, like little things all the time with her.

603
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 2>She would come at me and we'd argue it never

604
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>it never really got physical. Quote, yeah, Oh it's her fault.

605
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.519
<v Speaker 2>It's her fault. She came at him all the time.

606
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 2>She's just about right, you know. She learned that she

607
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:41.440
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't leave alone.

608
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, try to hold him accountable. Get a job, Yeah,

609
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.319
<v Speaker 3>you get a job. Can you support the house?

610
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. The detective moved on from that discussion and

611
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.559
<v Speaker 2>asked Michael to explain why he killed not only Casey,

612
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.240
<v Speaker 2>but her kids and his own two little girls. He's

613
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>trying to get Michael to open up about his reasoning

614
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>behind it all. The detective told him he understand why

615
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he would kill Casey, but he needed Michael to explain

616
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>why he killed the children.

617
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

618
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>So, after some back and forth, the detective told Michael

619
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that his DNA was going to be taken and gathered

620
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 2>for evidence, and then he would be transferred over to

621
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the county jail to await his initial court hearing. The

622
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 2>detective explained that when someone's arrested for a felony, DNA

623
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 2>can be gathered, and he explained that this is going

624
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 2>to happen right then and there. Richard, Bauers and Nikki

625
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 2>also gave DNA swabs. They did it voluntarily where they

626
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 2>swabbed the inside of your mouth. The detective went over

627
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 2>to the table where supplies were being stored. He put

628
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>on some gloves. He grabbed two long que tips and

629
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 2>he swabbed them along the inside of Michael's cheeks like

630
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>he didn't protest. Right before the detective left, he thanked

631
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Michael for his cooperation, and that's when he let him

632
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 2>know that he was going to be charged with four

633
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.679
<v Speaker 2>counts of first degree murder for the children, with an

634
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 2>additional second degree murder charge for Casey. The detective said

635
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>there may be more charges added on regarding the remains

636
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 2>of each victim. Michael kept his head down and he

637
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>kept shaking his head in agreement with what the detective

638
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>was saying. The detective then thinked to begin and he

639
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 2>left and Michael was transferred to the jail.

640
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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah, time, just I'm sorry, Tyy. I don't mean

641
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 3>to keep interrupting, you know, it's just so much to.

642
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Like like that's like the only good thing is he

643
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.119
<v Speaker 4>was able to just be forthcoming.

644
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they didn't pull the information out of him, yes, right, or.

645
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 4>Or barter or you know, and he was very forthcoming

646
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:48.719
<v Speaker 4>even on the traffic stop, you know right away.

647
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh, I know, I know it's it's so much.

648
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 2>It's just the story is so fucking disturbing.

649
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, really, it's just because of the breaks and of

650
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.920
<v Speaker 3>course everything with children, Yeah, like betting in everything with children,

651
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:06.239
<v Speaker 3>you know.

652
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just I never understand how people can kill not

653
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 2>only their children, but any children. I mean, yes, so

654
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 2>like how can you kill your own child? Like how

655
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<v Speaker 2>are you holding your eleven month old baby under the

656
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 2>bathroom faucet and fucking drowning her?

657
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Like it's exactly, it's I don't know what. It's hard. Yeah,

658
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:27.639
<v Speaker 3>it's hard to put like when I do the p

659
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<v Speaker 3>put myself in their shoes kind of thing.

660
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is so hard for me to get there

661
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:37.480
<v Speaker 4>mentally because they're so scrambled and fucked up.

662
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 3>It's scary. I don't get what. Yeah, same thing, and

663
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<v Speaker 3>it's just and then like the breaks, those fucking weeks

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<v Speaker 3>like yes, lead the girls with Nikki, what you've already

665
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<v Speaker 3>done to the boys.

666
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Is ugh, and then they're in fucking plastic bins for

667
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.679
<v Speaker 2>weeks and weeks and weeks.

668
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Like to sit in that smell is un evil that

669
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.159
<v Speaker 3>because that smell is evil to me. It's just very I.

670
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<v Speaker 2>Don't even don't I don't know how they did it.

671
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I just see either eye.

672
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Blood was found inside the home. In the home

673
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 2>in Summerfield. It was on the floors the ceiling. DNA

674
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>was gathered from the bodily fluids that were located inside

675
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 2>and outside the closet door frame inside the master bedroom.

676
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>The toothbrushes that belonged to the children were taken into

677
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>evidence to compare with DNA found at the home. Blood

678
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 2>was also found inside the master bathroom floor and baseboards,

679
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and the same was found in the spare bathroom bathtub.

680
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Two bloody knives were also found in the van. I

681
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know what those were for. Bodily fluid was found

682
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 2>all over the van's interior and DNA was also gathered

683
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 2>from the vans airbags, seatbelts, handles, shifters, and doors. According

684
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 2>to the police reports, a shower curtain with quote suspected

685
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.719
<v Speaker 2>bodily fluids was also seized from the van, along with

686
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 2>fifty gallon toats, along with a comforter that had duct

687
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 2>tape and rope intertwined. Empty beer cans and empty prescription

688
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>bottles were taken into evidence by the Brantley County Police

689
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Department that were also found in the van. I can

690
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.840
<v Speaker 2>only imagine this place was a fucking pigsie.

691
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh my gosh.

692
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<v Speaker 4>When you said about the the shower curtain, I'm like, okay,

693
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<v Speaker 4>that's how he dragged the toats over to the van.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, have he's had him stacked, then you can

695
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:42.159
<v Speaker 4>just finally fluid spill out. It's on the curtain. Yeah,

696
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, you got to take the practicality and then

697
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 4>apply it to the sociopathic cold detach its more than detachment.

698
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:59.039
<v Speaker 4>But oh right, I know, it's just I know, I'm time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Police also searched Sarah Jones's house, Michael's ex wife, and

701
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 2>they found a baseball dad that was taken into evidence.

702
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if that was the bat he

703
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 2>killed Pacey with or I don't fucking know. So, as

704
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, Michael when he was when he crashed the

705
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:24.119
<v Speaker 2>mini van, He's found with only Casey's body, right, Okay,

706
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:31.639
<v Speaker 2>So where are Cameron, Preston, Murcali and Ayana? Eventually Michael

707
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.880
<v Speaker 2>leads the police to their shallow graves. The bodies were

708
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<v Speaker 2>buried in the woods not far from where he crashed

709
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<v Speaker 2>the van, which was off of Highway three oh one.

710
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:45.039
<v Speaker 2>He had actually just got done bearing all the children

711
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>right before the crash. I think he was just like,

712
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I gotta get the fuck out of here, and he probably.

713
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<v Speaker 4>Lost right, yeah good, got got caught up in the

714
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Speaker 4>yea his own ship.

715
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<v Speaker 2>Nine year old Cameron was buried in a gray colored

716
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>plastic tote, while his clothes were placed in a trash

717
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.239
<v Speaker 2>bag and stored in a red suitcase. Little Preston was

718
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>buried in a pink plastic tote and he was found

719
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<v Speaker 2>with the zip tie still around his neck. Mercali and

720
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Ayana were buried in the same blue plastic tote. With

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<v Speaker 2>all the evidence that was gathered against Michael, he kind

722
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<v Speaker 2>of knew that he was fucked right, so he pleaded

723
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<v Speaker 2>guilty to all five charges, which was one second degree

724
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<v Speaker 2>murder charge like I told you for Casey, and four

725
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:39.480
<v Speaker 2>first degree murder charges because they were definitely premeditated of

726
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:40.000
<v Speaker 2>the children.

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00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. Absolutely.

728
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<v Speaker 2>And at this time when he was sentenced, he was

729
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.039
<v Speaker 2>forty one years old. We're in Florida because that's where

730
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the crimes took place, and Florida has death penalty, so

731
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<v Speaker 2>he was sentenced to death by a unanimous vote in

732
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<v Speaker 2>September of this year. So just last month, the Supreme

733
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<v Speaker 2>Court heard arguments for his death penalty sentence to be appealed,

734
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<v Speaker 2>and the ruling has not yet been made as of

735
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the writing of the story, which was about a week

736
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.079
<v Speaker 2>or so ago, so I didn't check it today if

737
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the decision has been released.

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<v Speaker 4>But I am going to put out there and like

739
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.880
<v Speaker 4>all of us who are list that like good energy,

740
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 4>that it sticks that he fucking does not get overturned.

741
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 4>He gets the death penalty. Well, and then I'm sure

742
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 4>there's here. I am pushing my own agenda and it's

743
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 4>not my agenda. I guess it's just how I this motherfucker.

744
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't He doesn't deserve to anything.

745
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 2>He's a fucking waste of space, yes, waste of air,

746
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 2>waste of tax dollars. And I don't know, I've always been.

747
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so funny when you hurt.

748
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 4>In a sense and to do it so fucking systematically.

749
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 4>Are you kidding about the zip ties?

750
00:41:58.480 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

751
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.960
<v Speaker 4>I can't even letn pump the brakes if you. Everybody

752
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 4>has their own opinions. But I know what I'm The

753
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 4>kind of energy I'm putting out doesn't make me good,

754
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 4>doesn't make me anything doesn't make me bad. I hope

755
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 4>it stands.

756
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, or maybe he gets his ass beaten in

757
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 2>prison like Jeffrey Dahmer did. I mean, I'm not saying,

758
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody.

759
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.320
<v Speaker 3>Should do I hear you. I ain't putting it.

760
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it should be done, but you know,

761
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 2>it's something that wait.

762
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 3>I ain't saying shit, no, but you know what people

763
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.280
<v Speaker 3>are ready to do with it? And I do, and

764
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:34.880
<v Speaker 3>I can't understand getting more and more.

765
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:41.480
<v Speaker 4>I guess maybe less judgmental about a more direct form

766
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 4>of justice to protect children that are here as well. Right,

767
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:53.960
<v Speaker 4>so we can't forget what is here before us, right,

768
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 4>which are women and children.

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00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll have to keep checking back and seeing absolutely

770
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>gets overturned or if they affirm it. I'm I can't

771
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>imagine what his arguments would be. I mean, he can

772
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 2>he confessed any pled guilty, so that was to the

773
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, to the convictions. So I mean, what could

774
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.119
<v Speaker 2>he possibly say he had a fucked up childhood? Like

775
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 2>what are his you know, contributing?

776
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Nothing, I mean the children.

778
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 4>You it's something that some life that could not defend itself,

779
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 4>you were called on to defend it and what did

780
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 4>you do to it?

781
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 3>Right? You destroyed it? To it?

782
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he destroyed it, and.

783
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 3>So I mean that's where my passion.

784
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>They just you know, you have to argue like the

785
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>mitigating factors or whatever. And I just can't imagine. You know,

786
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 2>everybody's entitled to an appeal whatever, blah blah blah blah.

787
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 2>That's my opinion, lawyer.

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00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me say all the right things.

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00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not you know, it might not be a

790
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 4>popular opinion. It's simply my opinion. And you know, fearce Mama,

791
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 4>their energy will not be stopped definitely. So yeah, thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>You're welcome. Are those kids from the memory and Casey

793
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:13.599
<v Speaker 4>and just.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the only thing gives me comfort is there

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00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 2>together exactly. Yes, you know, I just it's so horrible.

796
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 4>It's just the yes to get you have to keep going, yeah,

797
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 4>try to get this place better.

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<v Speaker 2>So ah, any well, thank you everyone for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this week's episode. Don't forget to hit like or subscribe.

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<v Speaker 2>Apple podcast app and s cana and I will release

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<v Speaker 2>an episode one episode week that is never released to

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<v Speaker 2>the public. You can go to our website. Shannon has

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<v Speaker 2>updated it now, it's all updated.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel so freaking accomplished. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Shannon.

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<v Speaker 3>That was my pleasure. I'm so glad.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are all caught up. It's recent and you

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<v Speaker 2>can go there if you want to listen. That's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why we like to put the episodes

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<v Speaker 2>there because you can listen through the website. But also

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<v Speaker 2>we have merchandise that Shane and I are also going

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<v Speaker 2>to update, probably in the time before the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 4>We are on the precipice of something so cool. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited to fall upon for this to befall us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so just check it out. And that's Crimes and

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<v Speaker 2>Consequences dot com. So anyway, that's the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>episode today. So thank you Shannon again and.

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<v Speaker 4>Tan yeah yeah, and you guys until next time, stay cool,

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<v Speaker 4>and I love you until next time, Kanye, I always

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<v Speaker 4>love you, Love you, Bye girl bye

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<v Speaker 5>MHM.