Speaker 1: Eight minutes past the hour of two o'clock.
Speaker 2: It is a lovely, beautiful May Tuesday outside, about seventy
Speaker 2: seven degrees clear and sunny here in downtown Salt.
Speaker 1: Lake City, Utah.
Speaker 2: And as it is every single day, it's going to
Speaker 2: have you along for the ride. Spence Checkets behind the
Speaker 2: Mike Port, Larson behind the glass. Happy Memorial Day weekend
Speaker 2: to you in the rear view mirror. Hope you had
Speaker 2: some time off like we did yesterday. Going to be
Speaker 2: back on air on this Tuesday afternoon. A lot has
Speaker 2: happened since you and I last spoke on Friday afternoon
Speaker 2: of last week. Of course, the NBA playoffs continue to
Speaker 2: roll along, both in the West and the East. The
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Thunder are high speed ahead to not just
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, but most likely an NBA Championship.
Speaker 1: Just a heavyweight fight.
Speaker 2: Last night in Minneapolis saw OKC beat the Minnesota Timberwolves
Speaker 2: in a game where the Timberwolves really did a lot,
Speaker 2: did a lot of good things, a lot of good things.
Speaker 2: And we'll get into it and we'll kind of preview
Speaker 2: what's next.
Speaker 1: In the West. Of course, in the East, since you
Speaker 1: I last spoke, the New.
Speaker 2: York Knicks resurrected their chances for now to make this
Speaker 2: a series. I still have serious reservations about whether or
Speaker 2: not this thing is going to go more than five
Speaker 2: or six games. But we have a massive game for
Speaker 2: tonight in Indiana where the New York Knicks will try
Speaker 2: to tie the series up at two games apiece after.
Speaker 1: Just a big boy win, man, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: It was a gutty win over the weekends where the
Speaker 2: Knicks were able to beat the Pacers one oh six,
Speaker 2: one hundred on Sunday Sunday evening, and now we march
Speaker 2: on to tonight to see how it may go.
Speaker 1: Indiana is a slight favorite.
Speaker 2: They're a two point five point favorite of the last check,
Speaker 2: and of course they lead the series two one, and
Speaker 2: we go back to gain Bridge Field House in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Speaker 2: If the Knicks can get it tonight back to MSG
Speaker 2: deadlock to two. So we'll get to the latest with
Speaker 2: the NBA postseason. We'll get to the latest with the
Speaker 2: NBA draft, as the Utah Jazz are just a number
Speaker 2: of weeks away now from making a couple of selections. Well,
Speaker 2: they have two first round picks, they have two second
Speaker 2: round picks. We'll see if they keep all four picks
Speaker 2: or if they decide to do something different than that,
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to some offseason stuff, because a
Speaker 2: lot of interesting potential targets for teams if they want
Speaker 2: to get aggressive, whether it's free.
Speaker 1: Agency or trades.
Speaker 2: And the Jazz are in the mix of teams that
Speaker 2: have a bevy of assets that might interest teams that
Speaker 2: need draft capital and clean books if they want to
Speaker 2: jettison some talent that hasn't worked. A big story out
Speaker 2: of the news college football.
Speaker 1: Broke a few hours ago.
Speaker 2: Greg Sankee has announced that the SEC will be breaking
Speaker 2: away from the NCAA effective for the twenty twenty eight
Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine academic calendar year. It's not that surprising,
Speaker 2: but to hear it and see it and understand that
Speaker 2: it's actually official is really jarring.
Speaker 1: This is a.
Speaker 2: Sport that continues to be ever changing, almost on a
Speaker 2: day by day basis. It's hard to exactly know what
Speaker 2: it's going to look like just in a couple of months,
Speaker 2: let alone.
Speaker 1: A couple of years.
Speaker 2: So we'll get to the latest out of the world
Speaker 2: of college football OTAs in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 2: still playing Possum.
Speaker 1: Apparently he wants to retire a Packer.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that would look like, but ultimately
Speaker 2: I still think he lands with Pittsburgh. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of a big story making the rounds today. Throughout the
Speaker 2: course of the news cycle, we have four Utah Mammoth
Speaker 2: players that are gold medal winners as the United States
Speaker 2: of America won the World Hockey Championships for the first
Speaker 2: time since nineteen thirty three, a ninety two year drought
Speaker 2: over Clayton Keller, your captain, Logan, Cooley, Josh done, all
Speaker 2: of them really big time contributors again.
Speaker 1: Clayton was the captain of Team USA.
Speaker 2: Logan was second on the team in points and gold medals.
Speaker 2: Around the next of four u Tom Mammoth players, Amelka
Speaker 2: also was in the tournament.
Speaker 1: So we'll do a little hockey.
Speaker 2: Of course, the battle for Lord Stanley's Cup rolls.
Speaker 1: On in the world of professional hockey.
Speaker 2: We've got some more playoff hockey to get to with
Speaker 2: the Oilers taking on the Stars. Carolina actually was able
Speaker 2: to get one with Florida. Man, they might just win
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Stars Oilers Tonight at six o'clock in Edmonton.
Speaker 2: Edmonton leads that series two to one. Stars will try
Speaker 2: to get even tonight. So we'll do the latest on
Speaker 2: the hockey playoffs as well.
Speaker 1: What did we ask of.
Speaker 2: Our local soccer club when we second night on Friday?
Speaker 1: We asked for a goal. They gave us two.
Speaker 2: The problem is the other team scored three, and if
Speaker 2: I do some quick math, that equals another loss for OURSL,
Speaker 2: a home loss for RSL to Vancouver over the weekend,
Speaker 2: and now we say goodbye to Diego Luna for at
Speaker 2: least a month and a half, if not more.
Speaker 1: And when the.
Speaker 2: Offense has been even kind of effective about ninety percent
Speaker 2: of the time it's in included Diego Luna. This feels
Speaker 2: like a lost season. I don't know what else to
Speaker 2: say about it. Failures from the front office in the
Speaker 2: previous ownership. This is not on the Millers, So save
Speaker 2: your polls that you put out on social media.
Speaker 1: They just barely took over.
Speaker 2: But certainly Ryan Smith Dave Blitzer, the previous ownership group
Speaker 2: who decided to not reinvest the funds they were able
Speaker 2: to snag as a result of moving on from some
Speaker 2: of the most talented pieces need to wear this because
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any way back for ourselves.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a really, really long season
Speaker 1: without a lot of hope. Quite frankly so.
Speaker 2: Local soccer club, local hockey club, local basketball team. Latest
Speaker 2: in the world of college football, of course, NBA playoffs,
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup playoffs, OTA's in the NFL, A little bit
Speaker 2: of everything on this Tuesday afternoon edition after being off
Speaker 2: on Monday.
Speaker 1: So thank you for riding along with us on this
Speaker 1: beautiful day.
Speaker 2: Our first guest today Rafael Barlow, who took over from
Speaker 2: our old friend Chad Ford. Front of the program, chat
Speaker 2: Ford Shout Out Ford, NBA Big Board Podcasts, NBA big
Speaker 2: board dot Com. If you want to learn about some
Speaker 2: of the prospects that could be on the board at five,
Speaker 2: Raphael's an excellent, excellent asset and resource for you. He's
Speaker 2: gonna hop on right out of the gates today. Our
Speaker 2: buddy Lee ellis to talk some NBA playoffs on the program.
Speaker 2: Richard Smith forty years with Utah Jazz front office, live
Speaker 2: and studio for an entire hour, and then Voice of
Speaker 2: the Royals, Voice of the Stars, host of the Roundball
Speaker 2: Roundup podcast on the Utah Jazz podcast Network, but most importantly,
Speaker 2: the former producer of this radio show JP John Paul
Speaker 2: Chunga will stop buying a Tuesday afternoon, So good guest
Speaker 2: list today with a lot to get to with Rafael Barlow,
Speaker 2: Lee Ellis, Richard Smith, JP Chunga me, Spence check. It's
Speaker 2: all of you, the great listeners, and that guy Porter
Speaker 2: Larson on a Tuesday afternoon. I sent you the text, Man,
Speaker 2: don't let us get tonight, don't let us get game four.
Speaker 1: Do not do it.
Speaker 2: Let us win Game four. That's all I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: right out of the gates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be more along the lines of how
Speaker 3: I feel, Spence. If I hadn't seen the Knicks lose
Speaker 3: the way they did in Game one, right, if I
Speaker 3: hadn't seen the roller coaster that these that these playoffs
Speaker 3: have been, you know, I would say that. But because
Speaker 3: of what I've seen and because it's the New York Knicks,
Speaker 3: if we win Game four, great, But that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: give me confidence we're winning the series. But it would
Speaker 3: put a lot of pressure back on Indiana. It gives
Speaker 3: the Nicks another chance at the at the Garden, and uh,
Speaker 3: I think they get it.
Speaker 1: Done. So there's my take on that one.
Speaker 2: You think they win to night, I do, wow, I do, okay,
Speaker 2: and I think that.
Speaker 1: Don't quote me. I think the Knicks are winning the series.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Now, now you need to calm down, all right.
Speaker 2: When we were on the show on Friday, you were
Speaker 2: basically in tears, and now you think they're gonna win
Speaker 2: the series.
Speaker 1: I just try to give you the life of a
Speaker 1: Knicks fan. Okay.
Speaker 3: It's up and down, it's it's very much a bipolar
Speaker 3: experience and I'm just living it. And listen, it's the
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference finals. Man, how many times in my life. Listen,
Speaker 3: I've lived now over a quarter century, and I've experienced
Speaker 3: this one time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna enjoy it. I'm gonna lean in. You should
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I mean Game three was fun.
Speaker 2: Kat earned his Nick uniform and then did not have
Speaker 2: a New York accent after the game.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. He lost his New York
Speaker 1: accent after the game.
Speaker 3: I need like his urgency to be a little more consistent.
Speaker 3: I just I don't under Sometimes he just looks like
Speaker 3: he's It's not that he doesn't play hard, it just
Speaker 3: looks like sometimes he's not all there and then he realizes, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm like one of the better players in the world.
Speaker 3: I have to turn it on and then you see
Speaker 3: what kat is. I don't understand why it's so off
Speaker 3: and on, but I guess that's that's the experience of
Speaker 3: being a Knicks fan.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, so we'll see what happens tonight.
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Speaker 2: A couple things here. We'll start last night. I like
Speaker 2: to be more reactive to something that just went down immediately,
Speaker 2: where the Minnesota Timberwolves probably beat almost every team in
Speaker 2: the League last night besides the team they were playing.
Speaker 2: So last night to me was far more about Okac
Speaker 2: than anything that had to do with the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 2: Even though the narrative today and the conversation today has
Speaker 2: been surrounding Anthony Edwards and Aunt's inability to kind of
Speaker 2: get space and ability to take more than thirteen shots,
Speaker 2: I find that to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what
Speaker 2: happened last night. Okay, So where I do think you
Speaker 2: can take a little bit of umbridge with Aunt is
Speaker 2: what happened when he gave the ball up. Okay, Because
Speaker 2: when he had the ball, they ran two defenders at him.
Speaker 2: Literally every time he drove one hundred percent of Ant's drives.
Speaker 2: He was double team last night. And what Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: decided to do is not let Ant do last night
Speaker 2: what he did in Game three, and that is get
Speaker 2: off early. So as soon as Aunt caught it, you
Speaker 2: could tell that there was a shadow defender waiting to
Speaker 2: run at him. Right when Aunt put the ball in
Speaker 2: the deck. They didn't double team on the catch. They
Speaker 2: doubled team on the dribble, okay, so they would force
Speaker 2: Ant to pick up the dribble. Then he's in jail,
Speaker 2: and you can't just four shots to four shots one
Speaker 2: of the things. And I love the inside inside Guys
Speaker 2: Inside the NBA on TNT. Love those guys one of
Speaker 2: my favorite shows ever. Okay, but ultimately I remind people
Speaker 2: all the time it is an entertainment product. And for
Speaker 2: how amazing they were at playing basketball, they're not great
Speaker 2: at breaking basketball games down. You'll get some salient points.
Speaker 2: Chuck is the man, Kenny is. Kenny Shack has never
Speaker 2: said anything where I'm like, oh, that's smart.
Speaker 1: I should listen to more Shack takes. But Kenny always says.
Speaker 2: Something like, I don't know if you're hot or cold
Speaker 2: unless you force, you know, eighteen to twenty shots if
Speaker 2: you're a great player. And that's to me, that's a
Speaker 2: fundamental flaw in analyzing what we saw last night because
Speaker 2: after the game, Ann was asked whether or not he
Speaker 2: thought he played poorly and he said, no, I feel
Speaker 2: like I made the right play mostly every time. And
Speaker 2: you know what he did, because here's the deal. What
Speaker 2: Mark Dagnall did last night for stretches is he went small.
Speaker 2: He sat Isaiah Hartenstein, he played chet at the five,
Speaker 2: and then his four perimeter defenders surrounding Chet Holgrin as
Speaker 2: you're rim protecting long five, and Chat's a very good
Speaker 2: rim protector, a very good shot blocker, a very good
Speaker 2: shot changer. He had three blocks last night, altered a
Speaker 2: bunch of others. And then on the perimeter, it's Lou Dort,
Speaker 2: who plays defense like a middle linebacker. It's Sga who
Speaker 2: is six', Eight It's Jalen, williams who's a first Team
Speaker 2: ALL nba caliber. Defender and then you can kind of
Speaker 2: match a little bit With Alex caruso And case And,
Speaker 2: wallace both of whom are absolute pit. Bulls, okay so
Speaker 2: on multiple, possessions and you can go back and look
Speaker 2: at some of this stuff On senergie Or clean The
Speaker 2: glass or. Whatever there were dribble handoffs and different off
Speaker 2: ball actions to Get ant the ball and then get him.
Speaker 2: Involved and you Saw Lou dort suddenly pass him off
Speaker 2: To Jalen, williams and Then Jalen williams Passing ant off
Speaker 2: To Alex, caruso and Then Cason wallace blitzing screens to
Speaker 2: double Team Anthony. Edwards like those are four slash five
Speaker 2: depending on who's the game of the, time absolute dogs
Speaker 2: on the perimeter when it comes to, guarding and their
Speaker 2: whole plan Was ant will not beat, us, period end of. Story,
Speaker 2: okay WHERE i was a little bit disappointed is some
Speaker 2: of the off ball action After aunt would give the ball,
Speaker 2: up because you still have the ability to get involved
Speaker 2: in the. Play and if they're gonna run you off your,
Speaker 2: line if they're gonna blitch you every, time if they're
Speaker 2: gonna double team every drive to fort to give it
Speaker 2: up to, teammates your only course of action is finding
Speaker 2: space off the. Ball And ant was not engaged BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i think he was. FRUSTRATED i think he was. Tired
Speaker 2: but the fact of the matter Is minnesota scored forty
Speaker 2: one points in the fourth quarter on fifty four percent
Speaker 2: field goal shooting against one of the best defenses of this.
Speaker 2: Generation last night was not About. Ant it was not About.
Speaker 2: Minnesota minnesota was. Good it was a, good roody. Game
Speaker 2: it was the Best dante De vincenzo game of the.
Speaker 2: Playoffs it may have been the best Game i've ever
Speaker 2: seen a Kil Alexander walker. Play a guy who played, here,
Speaker 2: well a guy who was on the team. HERE i
Speaker 2: never really fully understood why he couldn't get more. Run
Speaker 2: BUT i don't know That i've ever seen to Kill.
Speaker 2: Alexander Alexander walker play like that, again Best dante game
Speaker 2: of the, playoffs you, know, ultimately And i'm not going
Speaker 2: to do The randall. Stuff you know HOW i feel
Speaker 2: About Julius. Randall like for the last three or four,
Speaker 2: years as The knick started to get a little bit,
Speaker 2: better whenever anybody would ask, me what do you think
Speaker 2: about The, michael what do you think About Julius randall
Speaker 2: as your number two offensive option when it. Matters he's
Speaker 2: not a bad, player, okay and he's had some great
Speaker 2: playoff games this, year better playoff performances than we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Before the second straight, Game Julius randall was watching on
Speaker 2: the bench in the fourth quarter because he was entirely
Speaker 2: unengaged one of seven from the, floor five, points five,
Speaker 2: turnovers disengaged defensively like it was a Pathetic Julius randall.
Speaker 2: Game but what stood out more Was Oklahoma city answered
Speaker 2: every Punch minnesota Through Nikille.
Speaker 1: Alexander walker with his step back, three which he never.
Speaker 2: Does Dante DiVincenzo corner three money Go, bear causing problems
Speaker 2: in the pain not a great Mic conny game last,
Speaker 2: night But nazrid came off the bench gave him some
Speaker 2: good minutes like ultimately And Terren Shannon, junior who by the,
Speaker 2: way was a hell of a college player At. Illinois
Speaker 2: he's kind of been a revelation for. Them minnesota was
Speaker 2: really really good last. Night but what you saw on
Speaker 2: the other side is. Plead this a team that's, ready
Speaker 2: a team In Oklahoma city that's far more ready than anybody,
Speaker 2: thought including, myself based off their lack of track record
Speaker 2: of deep playoff. RUNS i just always have a tough
Speaker 2: time AND i always hesitate to anoint a team that
Speaker 2: has not had a ton of playoff experience, together and
Speaker 2: this group. Hasn't but you know, what they're. Ready doesn't.
Speaker 2: MATTER i don't know if they grew up in The denver.
Speaker 2: SERIES i don't. Know if it's just a coach who
Speaker 2: completely has the polts of his team and a personnel
Speaker 2: built By Sam presty that has eleven or twelve players
Speaker 2: that can all really. Go you, Know Mark dagnold has
Speaker 2: trimmed his lineup a little. Bit he's mostly playing nine.
Speaker 2: Guys Isaiah joe gets a little run here. There the
Speaker 2: Other Jalen williams only came in last night to box
Speaker 2: out on the final. Possession so this has really been
Speaker 2: an eight slash nine man, unit but a team that
Speaker 2: has eleven or twelve guys that can all really really.
Speaker 2: Play and ultimately we're watching the emergence of one of
Speaker 2: the top two or three players in pro basketball right,
Speaker 2: now and that is Shape Gilgess, alexander your DESERVING, mvp
Speaker 2: who has just understood exactly how to do what he
Speaker 2: wants to, do regardless of who the primary defender. Is
Speaker 2: he can get to his. Spots he understands, angles and,
Speaker 2: yes the falling down like you've been shot by a
Speaker 2: sniper when there's minimal, contact it's a little bit, unappealing
Speaker 2: but that does not put him in rarefied air like
Speaker 2: he's AVERAGING i think eight point four free throws per
Speaker 2: game all year. Long That's, lebronish like that's. Durantish that's
Speaker 2: like ball dominant offensive.
Speaker 1: Wing you are in charge of making us.
Speaker 2: Go and once you understand your, angles understand how to
Speaker 2: get to your, spots part of the skill set and
Speaker 2: the tool belt you need is to draw. Fouls get
Speaker 2: the other team in foul, trouble get free points to
Speaker 2: expedite inefficient, offense get to the free throw line and
Speaker 2: get dunks and, threes like it's not that.
Speaker 1: Hard but WHAT sga has learned how to do.
Speaker 2: Is dominate the game as an individual offensive initial ciator
Speaker 2: with a tool belt and the skill set that is totally.
Speaker 2: Complete and he is six' eight and he, is built
Speaker 2: and he is sturdy and. HE guards i think it's a.
Speaker 2: Corny group i'm not gonna lie like they're stuff after
Speaker 2: the game where, It's, like okay if one person, is
Speaker 2: interviewed we're all gonna stand here until the. Interview's over
Speaker 2: then we're gonna walk in the locker, room together, all
Speaker 2: right nerds and the dancing. The tiktoks like. It's corny
Speaker 2: i'm not. Gonna lie this is a. Corny group it's
Speaker 2: hard to like, him individually but it's hard to deny
Speaker 2: and argue with their RESULTS because i Really think minnesota
Speaker 2: beats almost every team in pro basketball last night with
Speaker 2: the way they played and the game plan they had
Speaker 2: Outside Of, oklahoma CITY and i just feel like it's
Speaker 2: time to say, out loud this team's gonna WIN The.
Speaker 2: NBA championship i Don't think minnesota is getting back in
Speaker 2: this three to one ninety two percent of. THE time, i, think,
Speaker 2: actually no it's ninety four percent of. THE time i
Speaker 2: believe In The western finals playoffs overall that if you're
Speaker 2: up three, to one you're gonna win. The THING and
Speaker 2: i just Don't think Indiana Or new york has the
Speaker 2: depth or, quite frankly the athleticism and the connectivity on
Speaker 2: both ends of the Floor That oklahoma city has.
Speaker 1: Right now it's the best team in.
Speaker 2: Pro basketball and If, YOU'RE minnesota i think you'll hold
Speaker 2: your head high because you gave it your best, last
Speaker 2: night but you lost to the best team in. The League,
Speaker 2: all right we'll get To The knicks. PACERS tonight i would.
Speaker 2: Imagine That, tom thibodeau and by, the way thank.
Speaker 1: You Coach?
Speaker 2: On friday what did we ask? Out loud can you
Speaker 2: get ten Minutes From? Landry shammitt can you get fifteen
Speaker 2: Minutes From? Delan wright are you gonna rush off Precious?
Speaker 2: Precious achiua will you extend your bench a little bit
Speaker 2: so your starters don't look like they're dying at the
Speaker 2: end of the?
Speaker 1: Fourth Quarter, and tom?
Speaker 2: Did it we saw Former You delon wright play a
Speaker 2: solid defensive. Thirteen Minutes landry shammitt a solid defensive. Thirteen
Speaker 2: minutes Gainsmanship From rick carlisle after, the game saying it.
Speaker 1: Was hard because they were playing their best.
Speaker 2: Defensive players the only play in the rotation that was
Speaker 2: not playing in the fourth quarter due to foul Trouble Was,
Speaker 2: jalen brunson and it's Clear that indiana wants To hunt
Speaker 2: jalen as much as they. Possibly Can mitchell robinson got
Speaker 2: the Start. FOR joshart I give josh so much credit
Speaker 2: for continuing to play his. Tail off he's one of
Speaker 2: the most unique REBOUNDING wings I think i've, ever seen
Speaker 2: and his rebounding was as important as anything else to
Speaker 2: that game. Three win he had ten boards after coming off,
Speaker 2: the bench And The mitchell robinson.
Speaker 1: Thing, Works man. It's real he's, playing really.
Speaker 2: Really well when give, An Opportunity Karl anthony towns twenty
Speaker 2: points in the. Fourth quarter without, that spurt they. Are
Speaker 2: dead they were down twenty in the. SECOND quarter i
Speaker 2: do think one of the more under talked about dynamics
Speaker 2: is how they closed the second quarter to actually pull it,
Speaker 2: within thirteen and they got it done down the stretch
Speaker 2: and it sets up, a massive massive. Game tonight it
Speaker 2: should be great theater And it's nicks Pacers, From indianapolis,
Speaker 2: Game four indiana trying to take that three to one
Speaker 2: lead the next trying to it up and send it
Speaker 2: back To The GARDEN Tours. Nba playoffs top of mind
Speaker 2: awareness right NOW with okc taking a three to one
Speaker 2: Lead over minnesota In The New york knicks attempting to
Speaker 2: even things up Tonight. Against indiana that is a six
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Speaker 2: Been, a Minute But, RAPHAEL barlow Nba, BIG board Nba
Speaker 2: big Board, dot com our guest On a, Tuesday, Afternoon Raphael, happy,
Speaker 2: Tuesday sir how?
Speaker 1: Are you i'm?
Speaker 5: Doing great how are you guys?
Speaker 2: Doing well appreciate, your time, simple question right off. The,
Speaker 2: top okay in, your opinion best case scenario For The
Speaker 2: utah jazz at five is which prospect And Why.
Speaker 5: Tray johnson simple questions. For Me trey johnson LED the
Speaker 5: sec and SCORING at i think this year's crop of
Speaker 5: teams IN the sec is the best group of teams
Speaker 5: he's ever had in, the conference and the number of
Speaker 5: teams that they got IN the ncaa tournament reflects that
Speaker 5: he LED the sec. In scorings he shot thirty nine
Speaker 5: percent from three on about six attempts, per game and
Speaker 5: a lot of those attempts were. Heavily contested it wasn't
Speaker 5: like he was getting open catch and shoot catch and.
Speaker 5: Shoot threes he's a much better passer than he's given.
Speaker 5: Credit for he can play off. THE ball i Think
Speaker 5: That tray johnson should be and arranged to go as
Speaker 5: high as as. Number three so if he falls to
Speaker 5: you call a, NUMBER five i think you have your
Speaker 5: your go to score of.
Speaker 2: The, Future, Okay So trey johnson best case scenario in
Speaker 2: your opinion, at five as, you reference you know a
Speaker 2: lot of buzz around this kid over the past three
Speaker 2: or four weeks that indicate maybe he's not there. At Five,
Speaker 2: so raphael if we operate off the assumption and the
Speaker 2: premise that a team in the top four falls in
Speaker 2: Love with trey secondary best case scenario For the jazz
Speaker 2: at Five if trey is off.
Speaker 1: The board.
Speaker 5: That's where it gets tough because you Look at Utah
Speaker 5: and i've actually talked to some different scouts About the,
Speaker 5: jazz roster and you just need to like really really
Speaker 5: hit on on on one of, your picks and maybe
Speaker 5: not necessarily hit this year because there's a there's there's
Speaker 5: a kid that's going to be playing a provo next
Speaker 5: year that's that pretty pretty Dynamic and ajdvasa that that
Speaker 5: could be available if you if this or next season
Speaker 5: is similar to. This season but with that being IN my,
Speaker 5: I mean i've Heard That ace bailey could.
Speaker 6: COULD fall i.
Speaker 5: Mean there's some teams that really Like common moley watch
Speaker 5: and in his future as far as it's been a
Speaker 5: rim protector and and floor space or. Defensive anchor teams REALLY. Like,
Speaker 5: VJ edgecombe I Like. JEREMIAH fears i think that he
Speaker 5: has the chance to be a star in. This League
Speaker 5: But isaiah kallier was really Good for utah. Last year
Speaker 5: what does that Mean? For collier you already have based
Speaker 5: off Of today Clarkson and Sexton. And KIANTE so I
Speaker 5: think utah has a really really. Difficult choice but if
Speaker 5: Eighth Or trey johnson falls, to them that would. Be
Speaker 5: great but other, THAN that I just i'm having a
Speaker 5: hard time about who could be, the best the best Option.
Speaker 1: For utah is there any chance that you come is there?
Speaker 1: At five any chance?
Speaker 7: At?
Speaker 5: ALL yeah i, THINK so i really. THINK so i
Speaker 5: just don't think that would be a good Fit for
Speaker 5: utah simply because, is he, you know like a. Dominant
Speaker 5: scorer is he the type of player that's going to
Speaker 5: be able to knock down. Open jumpers is he guy that's,
Speaker 5: going TO like, i said be a creator off. THE
Speaker 5: dribble i just don't know if if he, Provides that
Speaker 5: AND but i think he can't. BE available i really.
Speaker 2: Do So if i'm, understanding correctly if Both edge Combe
Speaker 2: and trey are there, at five you THINK the jaz
Speaker 2: Should go.
Speaker 5: Trey now without, a doubt well without without. A doubt,
Speaker 5: i MEAN like, I said trey lit sec, and SCORING
Speaker 5: and i know scoring, isn't EVERYTHING but I think trey
Speaker 5: is the better passor the. Better shooter he measured out
Speaker 5: a little bit bigger and edgem. Is good people are
Speaker 5: enamored by the athleticism and what he did For the
Speaker 5: bahamas national team. Last SUMMER but, I mean trey had
Speaker 5: a better YEAR and i think he's more ready to
Speaker 5: come in. And contribute is there.
Speaker 1: Any intrigue in your mind at one?
Speaker 2: Or two or is IT simply, i, Mean look dallas
Speaker 2: came out, and, said look we're. Keeping one their ownership, Group,
Speaker 2: said nico you can't. Trade, it okay we're keeping it
Speaker 2: and We're. Taking cooper, So Ultimately, patrick dumont, the owner made,
Speaker 2: the call so We know cooper's. At one any chance
Speaker 2: It's not dylan? It too or do you feel like
Speaker 2: it's a lock both one?
Speaker 1: And, TWO.
Speaker 5: Yeah I mean I think cooper is as much of
Speaker 5: a lock as you. Can get. Number two i'm not a.
Speaker 5: BETTING man i, don't GAMBLE but I say i'm about
Speaker 5: ninety percent Sure san antonio Would Take. Dylan, harper now
Speaker 5: whether Or not harper plays a game for, this burst
Speaker 5: that's a, different subject because the fit is. An ideal
Speaker 5: when you figure that they just Traded For diaron fox at,
Speaker 5: the deadline And Then, stefan castle who really struggles, to
Speaker 5: shoot is at his best when he has on. Ball
Speaker 5: reps then he really took off in the second half
Speaker 5: of the year when he had the opportunity to play
Speaker 5: with the ball in. His hands And so dylan is
Speaker 5: at best when he has the ball in. HIS hands
Speaker 5: i don't necessarily like, to fit but If san antonio
Speaker 5: went with best, player available you Go, with harper then
Speaker 5: try to figure. Things OUT but i think it would
Speaker 5: be enticing for a Team like milwaukee to possibly have
Speaker 5: their point guard of. The future and only if ganis
Speaker 5: it says that he wants to, be MOVED and i
Speaker 5: Think san antonio has some pieces to put together a.
Speaker 2: Nice package do you think there's any Chance the jazz
Speaker 2: could move up in this draft and maybe Enty san
Speaker 2: antonio with five marketing something, Like that, you know because,
Speaker 2: ultimately raphaels, you know this is a fan base that
Speaker 2: really is looking for, some hope looking for a shot in.
Speaker 2: The arm it's an organization that needs some hope and
Speaker 2: a shot in the arm for the staff. Over there
Speaker 2: and it's just been a very successful basketball team for
Speaker 2: the better part of fifty years that has been in no.
Speaker 2: Man's land we're coming up on four, Years now so,
Speaker 2: you know all these reports and rumors out there That
Speaker 2: the jazz are going to try to be bold and
Speaker 2: they're going to do what they can to.
Speaker 1: Utilize, their assets their, draft capital.
Speaker 2: Their, clean books and would be willing to move on
Speaker 2: for most anybody if it meant moving up to two
Speaker 2: and maybe Grabbing A.
Speaker 1: Dylan harper Could the jazz be in play to move
Speaker 1: up to?
Speaker 5: TWO possibly, I mean i think maybe three would be
Speaker 5: a little bit more Realistic since philadelphia their timeline has
Speaker 5: to be. WIN now, i mean if you think, about
Speaker 5: It with embid and his health Concerns And paul george
Speaker 5: on the wrong side of, THIRTY five i don't know
Speaker 5: how you can make a deal work just, you know,
Speaker 5: numbers WISE but i would say three is probably the
Speaker 5: highest they. CAN go i don't know If san antonio
Speaker 5: would what would make a move up for, number two
Speaker 5: especially if they can if they think that there's a
Speaker 5: chance that They Compare victor Wimbiyama And yais. Okitakuboy together
Speaker 5: let me ask You.
Speaker 2: About ace let me dig In On ace bailey a little,
Speaker 2: bit more because there are some people, out there, and
Speaker 2: look there's so many and we we like what. You
Speaker 2: DO and i was always a big chat. Forward guys
Speaker 2: so we like having you on the SHOW and i read.
Speaker 2: Your stuff but there are a lot of mocks, out
Speaker 2: there a lot of people out there that try to
Speaker 2: do what you do and, others do and a lot
Speaker 2: of them have a falling a little bit as a
Speaker 2: result of the combine measurements.
Speaker 1: And such so.
Speaker 2: Let's play a game a little bit and let's say
Speaker 2: he falls to five And the jazz, are just, you
Speaker 2: know deciding that that's the direction they're they're wanting.
Speaker 1: TO go i don't know if he'll.
Speaker 2: BE there i don't know if they, like him but
Speaker 2: if It Is ace bailey, At, five raphael tell jazz
Speaker 2: fans what you think he can be as a professional
Speaker 2: when he's, fully developed.
Speaker 5: If he maximizes. HIS potential, i mean you're talking about
Speaker 5: a guy that is just able to score and score
Speaker 5: with the best, of them still has a ways. TO
Speaker 5: go i don't know why his stock would be dropping
Speaker 5: because he didn't measure out at. Six ten i've had
Speaker 5: people tell, me like if you went to games and
Speaker 5: if you, saw him then you knew he, Wasn't sixten
Speaker 5: so why would this cock drop down because he didn't
Speaker 5: measure out out at SIXTEN but i mean, in shoes
Speaker 5: he's probably what six' nine and a, half in shoes
Speaker 5: and you play the, game AND shoes so i can't
Speaker 5: imagine his stock falling week. Because of that but if
Speaker 5: he puts, IT all together i mean he's. HAD some
Speaker 5: games i think he had a game where he was
Speaker 5: like thirteen or fifteen. From the floor he had another
Speaker 5: game he was like. THIRTEEN of, twenty i mean when,
Speaker 5: he is going he's just a guy that can just
Speaker 5: make some of the most difficult. Shots look easy when,
Speaker 5: HE was guarded i mean he made like forty four percent.
Speaker 5: Of his threes. IT'S just stylistically i think some people
Speaker 5: are just not a fan of his heavy reliance on,
Speaker 5: mid range shooting and then you know the mid range
Speaker 5: is not considered the most efficient shot as far. As
Speaker 5: his analytics but if he, puts it together you have
Speaker 5: a guy, that can rebound that should be a weak,
Speaker 5: site shot blocker that can, space the floor and that
Speaker 5: could be a guy that when you need a bucket
Speaker 5: at the end of, the shot clock he can.
Speaker 2: GET you, one I know the cooper flag is Gonna Be.
Speaker 2: A dallas maverick, and of course off the, board OF
Speaker 2: one and i think at the start of the college
Speaker 2: basketball season maybe there was a bit, of a debate,
Speaker 2: but he, clearly you know decided that debate. On his
Speaker 2: own let me. Just ask, you you know you hear
Speaker 2: a Lot of. The kauhi stuff there are a lot,
Speaker 2: of you know a lot of. COMPS going AROUND i
Speaker 2: sometimes i. DON'T love comps i think it puts a
Speaker 2: bad idea in a fan's mind and sets a prospect.
Speaker 1: Up for failure but just are you among the PEOPLE
Speaker 1: or ol fa all that believe that?
Speaker 2: He's generationally special, and you know Do you think dallas
Speaker 2: really has this superstar type talent that Could Be an
Speaker 2: all star for ten to fifteen YEARS?
Speaker 8: In?
Speaker 1: THE nba yeah.
Speaker 5: I Think, so i mean the word generational talent is just.
Speaker 5: Up For debate like i've had this conversation, a few
Speaker 5: Times Like is carrie irving? A Generational Talent is anthony davis?
Speaker 5: A generational talent just throwing names out there that. PEOPLE have,
Speaker 5: ARGUED i mean i have even Had People say dwayne
Speaker 5: wade isn't. A GENERATIONAL talent so I don't think cooper
Speaker 5: has to be quote unquote generational to have Like a
Speaker 5: special hall of. Fame type career BUT one thing i
Speaker 5: will Say about the cooper FLAG comps that i actually
Speaker 5: like is that this is probably the First guy that
Speaker 5: i've seen where it's like. Cross racial Comparisons usually a
Speaker 5: european is only Compared to a european player, and so
Speaker 5: ON and so, i think like when it, comes to
Speaker 5: comparisons you have to have a wide range of comparisons
Speaker 5: if you're gonna. Go THAT way and i know that
Speaker 5: there are some teams that they make players or they
Speaker 5: make their scouts Not only Compare, europeans to europeans or
Speaker 5: white players to white players. Or so On so with
Speaker 5: cooper being compared To, Everyone from Kawhi i've seen, ak
Speaker 5: forty seven who you guys are obviously Familiar, With in
Speaker 5: utah i've seen some people Compare. HIM to tatum i
Speaker 5: just think nobody knows what he is because he has
Speaker 5: so many ways that he can. Impact the game he
Speaker 5: can be a mix of a little bit of everything
Speaker 5: because he's such, a good defender he's. A good passer
Speaker 5: he shocked the ball a lot better. THAN anyone expected
Speaker 5: i don't think anyone thought he was gonna shoot thirty
Speaker 5: and a half percent FROM three but i do think
Speaker 5: he's going. TO be good i think if he puts,
Speaker 5: it ALL together which i think he, has a, HIGH
Speaker 5: high floor i see him as A Multi. TIME all
Speaker 5: star i just don't know if he's LIKE. YOUR one
Speaker 5: a i don't know if he's your YOUR your one
Speaker 5: a on. The championship team but if HE'S, your one.
Speaker 5: B that's, good I Mean there's anthony DAVIS. THE one
Speaker 5: a i. Don't think so BUT, as One b the lakers,
Speaker 5: Won A championship So i think cooper could have, a
Speaker 5: you Know Multi, time all Star MULTI Time all. Nba
Speaker 5: ALL defense so i just don't know if. He's YOUR
Speaker 5: closer but i.
Speaker 1: Could be wrong let.
Speaker 2: Me ask you i've seen a couple of mock Drafts
Speaker 2: That have jeremiah fears Going to the, Jazz at five
Speaker 2: and you brought. This up earlier it's, a GOOD point
Speaker 2: and i honestly can't.
Speaker 1: Speak.
Speaker 2: TO it uh i know that there are some in
Speaker 2: the organization That Don't think keyante george is going to
Speaker 2: be a rotational piece for a good player, for excuse
Speaker 2: me for a good team. In pro basketball they like
Speaker 2: the call, Of your kid but if you're lead guard
Speaker 2: to shoot shooting twenty five percent from THREE in the
Speaker 2: nba in. Twenty twenty five you're probably not gonna win a.
Speaker 2: Lot of games so maybe on paper you look, at
Speaker 2: and say, wait a second they've got. Some young guards
Speaker 2: i'm not sure they like any of their young guards.
Speaker 2: An awful lot so If It is jeremiah, fears at
Speaker 2: five which some people are, kind of prognosticated what kind of?
Speaker 1: Prospect is he raphael.
Speaker 5: Hes a guy really. LIKE a lot i think MY
Speaker 5: brother and i were probably the first to put him
Speaker 5: in the top ten Range, back in december and it sounded,
Speaker 5: crazy back then but he has the ability to consistently
Speaker 5: get two feet, in the paint which Is Something that
Speaker 5: isaiah khleier was able to do with just his speed.
Speaker 5: And HIS aggressiveness but i Think, that with fears you
Speaker 5: have to look at how. YOUNG he, was i mean
Speaker 5: he's supposed to be at least either Preparing for the
Speaker 5: prom or just finish Going, to the prom and instead
Speaker 5: he's PREPARING for. The nba draft he was the go
Speaker 5: to guy AND a, tough SEC conference like, i mentioned
Speaker 5: earlier not afraid, of the, moment hit game. Win a
Speaker 5: shot but they intrigued with him as his ability to
Speaker 5: consistently get two feet. In the paint he can create.
Speaker 5: His own, shot he's, tough he's competitive and he's to
Speaker 5: has a long ways to go as far as like reaching,
Speaker 5: his FULL potential and i, think for him THE sky's
Speaker 5: actually i think the sky's the. LIMIT for him i
Speaker 5: think he could be one of the two or three
Speaker 5: best players in this draft that we're talking about five.
Speaker 5: Years From now.
Speaker 2: Cooper flags teammate Duke, kan K nipple the malawatch. Kid
Speaker 2: is Intriguing but The Jazz, WITH walker kestler i can't
Speaker 2: imagine they'd Want to add Malawatch next to walker unless
Speaker 2: they're going to Move, on FROM walker which i don't.
Speaker 2: Think they'll do he's Extension eligible and i'm hearing they,
Speaker 2: will EXTEND him which i think is. The right thing
Speaker 2: but tell Us about kN kinneple, a little bit another
Speaker 2: name that has kind of been Linked to the jazz
Speaker 2: Potentially at five and do you think five is too High?
Speaker 1: To, take knipple yeah five.
Speaker 5: IS too HIGH i mean i think, at number five
Speaker 5: especially if you're A, team like utah you're looking for
Speaker 5: someone that you think can be. A, franchise guy now
Speaker 5: is it easy to get a franchise. Guy, at FIVE
Speaker 5: no but i think you're in a situation where you're
Speaker 5: not just looking for, another CONNECTIVE piece and I, THINK
Speaker 5: for tom i think that's going to be his ROLE
Speaker 5: in the nba is as, a connective passer floor spacer.
Speaker 5: Guy that competes and the role that He played at
Speaker 5: duke where he, wasn't the man is going to be
Speaker 5: the role that he PLAYS in the nba. In MY
Speaker 5: opinion so i don't THINK five is I don't think
Speaker 5: i think five is too. High for him up Like That.
Speaker 2: JEG or demon, byu point guard there's like this undercurrent
Speaker 2: of Fear that the jazz are going to draft him
Speaker 2: at five BECAUSE he's a byu Guy and the jazz
Speaker 2: owner ALSO helps. Bankroll byu basketball, as you know it
Speaker 2: was interesting to watch him. Evolve this year oftentimes he
Speaker 2: had a lot of trouble against Pressure in, the Big
Speaker 2: Twelve and kevin Young Would play dallan hall against teams
Speaker 2: that Would press because jegor just couldn't. Really handle it
Speaker 2: he's young and this was his first experience playing really.
Speaker 2: Physical college basketball the measure there he can. REALLY pass.
Speaker 2: It i understand the combine stuff was a good. Look
Speaker 2: for him do you think there's any chance that he's
Speaker 2: in play at five and where do you think ultimately he?
Speaker 5: Lands, AND why YEAH i mean I think there's i think.
Speaker 5: THERE'S a, chance I mean the utah has had a
Speaker 5: small backcourt for the. LAST few years i do think.
Speaker 5: THERE'S a, chance i mean everything that you mentioned before could.
Speaker 5: Be A factor and i guess it just Depends on
Speaker 5: how utah sees him or sees his potential. As a
Speaker 5: shooter I've been following yegor since he was. FIFTEEN years
Speaker 5: old I went to madrid to. Watch him play i've
Speaker 5: talked to him in person. A few times i really
Speaker 5: like him, as A kid and i could understand why
Speaker 5: a team can just. Fall for him but the concerns,
Speaker 5: are there about, like you said how. He HANDLES pressure
Speaker 5: and i literally just spoke to a scout from a
Speaker 5: team a couple hours ago, and, He said yes yegor
Speaker 5: probably helped himself with how well he measured and the
Speaker 5: fact that he shot the. Ball really well but he
Speaker 5: said that the thing that everybody wants to see is how.
Speaker 5: Tough he is can he compete when there's smaller guards
Speaker 5: that are just defending Him Like, a jose alvarado or
Speaker 5: can he bring the, ball up court up the Court
Speaker 5: Against the drew. Holliday type defender and, the scout said
Speaker 5: that's something that you won't see in the pre draft
Speaker 5: process because he's probably not going to. Go against anybody
Speaker 5: he didn't Play. At the combine so whoever drafts him
Speaker 5: is going to have to believe that the areas that
Speaker 5: he struggled, with this year whether whether it's the shooting or,
Speaker 5: sometimes being assertive that they can get the best. Out
Speaker 5: OF him but i do think it's realistic that he
Speaker 5: could be In play, for utah five or maybe they
Speaker 5: trade down. To get him.
Speaker 2: I'm, not sure guys also out, of Twenty one and
Speaker 2: i'm not going to pin you to a name. At
Speaker 2: twenty one i'll, just ask, you generally speaking do you
Speaker 2: believe this draft is deep enough that some options at
Speaker 2: twenty one one could? Be intriguing enough, and you, Know
Speaker 2: it's interesting raphael is the Better picks the jazz have
Speaker 2: made ever since the ownership change in the front office
Speaker 2: change have, been later, On You, Know Kyle. Philipowski isaiah
Speaker 2: collier we'll see What. Happens with, taylor he's hurt but
Speaker 2: obviously it was a Rough look for. Cody last year
Speaker 2: no one's anointing or dismissing based off.
Speaker 1: Of one YEAR.
Speaker 2: In the nba but this is a front office that
Speaker 2: shown the ability to find some things. In the, twenties
Speaker 2: generally speaking what sort of talent would be there.
Speaker 1: At, twenty one.
Speaker 5: Yeah there's A player that i Really, like for utah
Speaker 5: and That is the greek prospect Named. Meopliss ab dallas
Speaker 5: i've been higher on him. THAN the consensus i think
Speaker 5: that if he would have went to, college this year
Speaker 5: we'd be talking about him as, a lottery Pick Similar
Speaker 5: to Jegor Demon and kaspar shakachonas and some of the.
Speaker 5: Other international players he just didn't. Have the opportunity he didn't.
Speaker 5: Go to College And, Then Vin sarasi noah singhe Are,
Speaker 5: playing in germany but they're playing on a team that
Speaker 5: gives young, players the Opportunity and most european teams really
Speaker 5: don't give young. Players an opportunity they, everything is, win
Speaker 5: win now and they think that it's better to. Win
Speaker 5: with veterans so with, that Being said our dallas, is
Speaker 5: six' eight. HE'S a good passer i think he's one
Speaker 5: of the better athletes in this draft as far, as
Speaker 5: the guard position plus. He has positional side he played.
Speaker 5: Well at the combine he not, going to open shots
Speaker 5: but he didn't really have the opportunity to play much with.
Speaker 5: All in his hands, SO at twenty one, i think
Speaker 5: for him if he, is a point guard then you
Speaker 5: got a six. To eight point guard, but if he's
Speaker 5: not because of his size and, his ability to shoot
Speaker 5: it gives you some flexibility into how. You can use
Speaker 5: them and with, all that being said if he does
Speaker 5: end up, going to college route which we may find
Speaker 5: out in the, NEXT couple of days i think he
Speaker 5: ends up being a lottery picked. Him at twenty one,
Speaker 5: you get a steal Another steal for the jazz later
Speaker 5: one in the. Outside of, The, lottery.
Speaker 1: All, right Raphael last thing and.
Speaker 2: I'll set you loose you, referenced his Name earlier and
Speaker 2: everything i've seen every Time i've, Watched aj debonca, play
Speaker 2: i'm just, Like Oh my gosh like I'M not sure
Speaker 2: that byu fans know what. They have down there i'm
Speaker 2: not sure that in state college. Basketball fans are ready
Speaker 2: he might be the best player that, we've ever had
Speaker 2: here Certainly as a talent it's hard to argue. With
Speaker 2: any of that we've never had, a, top you know
Speaker 2: five or even one recruit Play at Either the UNIVERSITY,
Speaker 2: of utah or Byu And we, Had dame lillard here
Speaker 2: so let's Put a Respect On dame And Andre miller
Speaker 2: and jimmer furdett and everyone that's played. HERE in the state,
Speaker 2: i could keep going but for basketball fans that are,
Speaker 2: curious but not familiar just what KIND of player IS?
Speaker 1: Byu, Getting, in aj Debonca.
Speaker 2: Well, you, Have, ben, horan Right yes Yes certainly keith
Speaker 2: van horne should. Be ON that, LIST like i said,
Speaker 2: i Could keep going but I'm not sure that KEITH had,
Speaker 2: The TALENT a Did and i think keith himself.
Speaker 1: Would, probably, Admit.
Speaker 5: That yeah well, keith went pretty.
Speaker 6: High was.
Speaker 1: NUMBER two number. Two aj.
Speaker 5: Is specials he's special he's got, the, ideal positional size.
Speaker 5: Athleticism the shot making he was really, good HIS senior
Speaker 5: year but i felt like he. WAS a, little bored
Speaker 5: i mean he had been dominating high school since, he
Speaker 5: WAS a freshman and i think that having a new,
Speaker 5: CHALLENGE of college basketball i think that's going to bring
Speaker 5: something else out of him that. We haven't, CONSISTENTLY seen
Speaker 5: but yeah i mean it's going to be exciting For
Speaker 5: the FANS in. UTAH and byu fans i think that,
Speaker 5: he has a really really good shot at being. The
Speaker 5: number one pick but there's two other guys in this
Speaker 5: class that are that are special Next Year's class And
Speaker 5: Dan peterson And cameron boozer and jazz fans are Familiar
Speaker 5: With the Name carlos Boozer and, cameron is Carlos's son
Speaker 5: but aj is is right up there as far, as
Speaker 5: the my opinion the best prospects to come out of
Speaker 5: high school in. The LAST ten years and i think
Speaker 5: that it's going to be a Year Similar to when
Speaker 5: zion williamson, was in college basketball even with twenty Two
Speaker 5: When you have Ben carroll And Chet, holmern and jabari
Speaker 5: smith where teams felt like if they get one of
Speaker 5: those guys that they're going to be a playoff team
Speaker 5: within the. Year TWO or three And i think if
Speaker 5: utah DOES get aj then i think that's the franchise
Speaker 5: guy that, you were hoping for and it could also
Speaker 5: be a great consolations tight not the best, way TO
Speaker 5: use it but i do think that aj Could be.
Speaker 5: Better than cooper flat so it could be a BLESSING
Speaker 5: in disguise as aj ends up being the number one
Speaker 5: pick in Twenty twenty six and utah's number one and
Speaker 5: They missed out on cooper flag. IN twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: A lot of jazz fans, Curious. About these prospects rafael where.
Speaker 1: Can they go? Get all your work you CAN find
Speaker 1: me at nba.
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Speaker 2: BUT lee quite frankly i don't mean to make you.
Speaker 2: FEEL awkward or uncomfortable a little. BIT of a pioneer
Speaker 2: I don't know that i've ever really talked. To you
Speaker 2: about this you were among the FIRST podcasters. Covering the
Speaker 2: nba basketball is, that a, fair.
Speaker 6: STATEMENT well SOMEWHAT yes i MEAN i wouldn't say. I
Speaker 6: was the pioneer i think that Really Title goes TO
Speaker 6: skeets pass and jd because they created A podcast before
Speaker 6: even i knew. What A podcast, was but i said
Speaker 6: they did come in and write their coattails, for a
Speaker 6: while there and we BEGAN THE show on nba tv.
Speaker 6: Back in twenty, THIRTEEN so you KNOW i wouldn't say
Speaker 6: i was the number one draft. Pick in THAT sense
Speaker 6: i'd say i was. A FREE agent signing but i
Speaker 6: certainly LIKE to feel that i made a. Contribution to the,
Speaker 6: show and you know now it's. Amazing how, many people,
Speaker 6: in FACT just today Here, i am in indianapolis a
Speaker 6: guy came out to me on the, street, AND he
Speaker 6: said man i remember You From the Basketball. Jones day's
Speaker 6: in toronto so that was quite a kind of freaky
Speaker 6: to sort of still hear that just, out on the,
Speaker 6: street because you know that was. AT a, different time,
Speaker 6: I think you know i don't think when the guys
Speaker 6: originally Started it Not even twitter or facebook or anything,
Speaker 6: like that even existed and they were doing a podcast
Speaker 6: and they've grown it into. Something that, CONTINUES today in
Speaker 6: fact i believe it's going to Be twenty years In,
Speaker 6: January from WHEN skeets tatts and jd did their very
Speaker 6: very First podcast back in JD's the. BASEMENT of his
Speaker 6: house i think it was back in two Thousand. And
Speaker 6: six in, toronto it's quite remarkable how. You know our
Speaker 6: journeys everybody's. Journey is, slightly different but yes THE seeds
Speaker 6: of where i am Today were planted in toronto about fifteen.
Speaker 6: Or sixteen. Years ago for myself.
Speaker 2: What was the name of the pod YOU GUYS? Had
Speaker 2: on Nba Tv?
Speaker 1: Was it no Dunk's?
Speaker 2: WAS it the starters i honestly can't remember what THE
Speaker 2: NAME of the. Nba, Tv, pod.
Speaker 6: Was yeah Yeah we WERE THE starters on mba tv
Speaker 6: AND that was a tv. Show and, the podcast but
Speaker 6: yeah did that for six seasons and it was honestly
Speaker 6: one of those sort of pinched me. Moments literally, EVERY
Speaker 6: day in fact i remember, saying, TO my wife like
Speaker 6: I CAN'T believe on nba. Tv wearing plaid shirts i'm
Speaker 6: talking to. My friends. About basketball you Know so one
Speaker 6: day shaq came in, while we were recording got, me
Speaker 6: In a, HEADLOCKED and i'm like i don't know how to.
Speaker 6: Explain this to. Anybody is you know people, would, ask
Speaker 6: me like hey DO YOU, get on nba tv like,
Speaker 6: That's A cool, JOB and i'm like i can't REALLY
Speaker 6: tell you. Because i don't know there wasn't LIKE a.
Speaker 6: Blueprint that i followed it was just a few things
Speaker 6: happened AND the, NEXT thing i know i had the
Speaker 6: biggest man in the world getting you IN. A headlock on.
Speaker 6: Tv so, it's, crazy IT'S funny.
Speaker 2: MAN because, i, Can I mean look i'm i'm a basketball.
Speaker 2: Sicko like YOU are AND SO i WATCH nba tv
Speaker 2: and i can remember watching back IN the day and
Speaker 2: i was watching just some recap or highlight, show, and
Speaker 2: they're like hey don't forget, tomorrow at whatever time tune
Speaker 2: into the. Starters a, basketball podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm, like wait a. SECOND what is this i don't
Speaker 1: even know what. Any of this, is and you know now.
Speaker 2: Everybody has a podcast, we podcast this show and if
Speaker 2: you're in the ecosystem of, media and sport period chances
Speaker 2: are if you don't, have a standalone pod you pod
Speaker 2: your live show, like we do here and would you
Speaker 2: would you would you characterize it as something that was
Speaker 2: kind of like beyond anything you dared to dream about
Speaker 2: as far as how. YOU got into it i always
Speaker 2: find it interesting to hear the origin story of how
Speaker 2: people were able to carve out their piece of real
Speaker 2: estate in this ecosystem that's really hard to.
Speaker 6: Find, REAL estate, in yeah i mean that's a great
Speaker 6: way putting, it, because you know again no one really
Speaker 6: knew what it was or what it. Was GOING to
Speaker 6: become and i remember again in the early days speaking
Speaker 6: to those guys because, they, had normal JOBS skeets Tasks
Speaker 6: and jd who, I'm referring to here so they would
Speaker 6: record their pot at like six o'clock In, the morning,
Speaker 6: over skype you know put, the podcast out there then go.
Speaker 6: About their daily jobs and so there was. No money
Speaker 6: in it they weren't like sitting. Back rolling in money
Speaker 6: they had to put all their own money. And TIME
Speaker 6: into it and jd had just become a father and
Speaker 6: they were just trying this thing that no one. Really
Speaker 6: knew what happened but Because At, THE time apple iTunes
Speaker 6: i think it was still, called then you know people
Speaker 6: from around the world started listening to it because basketball is,
Speaker 6: such a global sport and that encouraged the guys and
Speaker 6: it inspired, them to keep going and eventually They Made,
Speaker 6: it to the score which IS an independent Sports, tv
Speaker 6: network in TORONTO AND from their nba tv got hold
Speaker 6: of it and moved Us. All down to, atlanta and,
Speaker 6: you know so again the story itself is Sort of
Speaker 6: even when i'm, saying This to you and i've said
Speaker 6: this on numerous, Podcasts over the years, i'm, sort of
Speaker 6: like man it's amazing how many things just had to
Speaker 6: sort of line up and. Be ready to, go and
Speaker 6: you know getting visas even to Come and work in
Speaker 6: america is. Not easy as well we have to somehow
Speaker 6: convince the immigration, lawyers that, we were you know worthy
Speaker 6: of getting work visas. And things LIKE that and, then i,
Speaker 6: remember again you know when we're Doing, a podcast in
Speaker 6: toronto there, was no time, limit so you know you
Speaker 6: can go for an hour or an hour and. A
Speaker 6: half or whatever but then WE CAME to the nba
Speaker 6: tv and we had a forty four minute show daily
Speaker 6: that we HAD to hit and i, remember just thinking,
Speaker 6: like oh my god this is like crazy you can't BE.
Speaker 6: As loose on tv you certainly have to, dress a
Speaker 6: little nice so you have to be a, little more
Speaker 6: you know professional in. How you approach it you can't
Speaker 6: certainly can't swear and things like that that you. Can
Speaker 6: on a podcast so it. Was A real adjustment but
Speaker 6: i think we all got motivated and inspired by so
Speaker 6: many people who saw us, as non former players just
Speaker 6: fans of the game trying to bring an. Entertaining angle
Speaker 6: to it like we we never claimed to be former
Speaker 6: pro players. Or anything like that we were just, guys
Speaker 6: who you know started something new THAT grew. Into a tv,
Speaker 6: SHOW and you know i love for the game is
Speaker 6: what so many PEOPLE around the world i think could relate.
Speaker 6: To AND connect with and i, think.
Speaker 2: IT'S really cool man i always applaud people that have
Speaker 2: the courage to, just try stuff like, let's we love
Speaker 2: this so.
Speaker 1: Let's go try it let's see.
Speaker 2: What it turns into let's, Give it some effort let's give,
Speaker 2: it some you know some real energy and resources and
Speaker 2: stories like.
Speaker 1: That are, Really cool all right let's Before We get.
Speaker 2: TO nick pacers tonight, I, SAID this earlier lee i
Speaker 2: want to. SEE if You agree i think minnesota last
Speaker 2: night beats almost EVERY team in the nba except the team.
Speaker 2: They played right like and there's a lot Of conversation
Speaker 2: today About Aunt this, and julius randall that and certainly
Speaker 2: there's some things that we can get into. THAT are
Speaker 2: probably fair i thought last night was Far More about
Speaker 2: who oklahoma city is As opposed to. WHO minnesota is
Speaker 2: not i was quick to be a little bit skeptical
Speaker 2: about okas ability to, run through the playoffs only because we.
Speaker 2: Haven't seen it before, but in a vacuum last night
Speaker 2: was an, incredibly ENTERTAINING basketball game and I, think if
Speaker 2: you're minnesota you're just kind of like they might be
Speaker 2: better than. Us and everybody else give me. Your, thoughts, on.
Speaker 6: THAT yeah well and i think you know what You've
Speaker 6: seen with the thunder is they were the number one seed,
Speaker 6: with a you know by A Mile, in the Western
Speaker 6: conference whereas the wolves. Were the sixth seeds, so any
Speaker 6: other season if you had the one, versus the sixth
Speaker 6: seed the number one seed. Should, Win fairly comfortably now
Speaker 6: game three was that season on the line Type, of
Speaker 6: response from minnesota and You Could almost see oklahoma city
Speaker 6: kind of let. Go of the rope there a little
Speaker 6: bit once he got out of hand, in the second
Speaker 6: half but then they regathered and regrouped and sort. Of
Speaker 6: showed last night they flexed their muscles, a little, bit,
Speaker 6: more saying like hey we are. Better than this team
Speaker 6: they have got A few vulnerabilities and i think they.
Speaker 6: Exposed THEM last night and i hope you give a
Speaker 6: Lot Of Credit, to shay gilders, alexander because you know
Speaker 6: he's almost gone to that point where he was, a
Speaker 6: big fan favorite and now people are starting, to turn
Speaker 6: on him criticizing him for the free throw, embellishment whatever
Speaker 6: you know. Whatever that really means but he's gone out
Speaker 6: there and led his team. And HE handled everything and
Speaker 6: i put a lot of it Actually Back into that denver,
Speaker 6: nugget series as well where they Looked bad against, the
Speaker 6: nuggets at times but as really good teams do they,
Speaker 6: get THE job done and. I think that's important i
Speaker 6: think that does sort of build you up and get
Speaker 6: you ready. For the Next, ROUND whereas, the timblewolves i
Speaker 6: mean when you have, A win like that i think
Speaker 6: it was Forty two, points in game three it's almost it's.
Speaker 6: Almost like too much they, didn't have to fight they
Speaker 6: didn't really. Have to do everything they just sort of
Speaker 6: everything they. Threw up went in but it wasn't like
Speaker 6: they had something really solid to fall back on because
Speaker 6: last night they kind of got. Exposed A Little, BIT
Speaker 6: and anthony edwards i heard what he, said after the
Speaker 6: game because he's been criticized and. Not taking though shots
Speaker 6: he said he. Made the right. PLACE maybe he did
Speaker 6: i think there, is an argument there but you also
Speaker 6: expect your start, to, sort of say well It's A
Speaker 6: Bit like karl Anthony towns Here in indiana on Monday night,
Speaker 6: where or, sunday night excuse me, where, He was like
Speaker 6: right i'm putting my team on my back and we are.
Speaker 6: Not LOSING this game and i didn't Really See, that
Speaker 6: from anthony edwards like he. Didn't go down fighting, he
Speaker 6: played well enough but it wasn't the sort of epic, performance,
Speaker 6: where you thought man he left it all on the.
Speaker 6: TABLE there last night i think he had a little bit.
Speaker 6: More in the. Chamber and we'll see now they obviously
Speaker 6: go to a Must Win, game in oklahoma, city but
Speaker 6: you know, and there's, People Saying, oh man oklahoma, city
Speaker 6: LIKE you know the. Nba, Doesn't want that. WELL i'm
Speaker 6: the opposite i think this is. GREAT for the league
Speaker 6: i think there's, a bit more parody there's, a bit
Speaker 6: more evenness and every, team is a chance. And we're,
Speaker 6: seeing that you know We're likely To get Oklahoma the
Speaker 6: city and. Indiana in the finals. I'M fine with it
Speaker 6: i think these both. FUN teams to watch i love watching,
Speaker 6: the YOUNG stars emerge and i think we've set, up
Speaker 6: for a. Really really fun finals, however it turns out
Speaker 6: because the other one Is maybe We Get, minnesota versus
Speaker 6: new york who of course had that incredible trade right
Speaker 6: before training, camp started last season so that would be
Speaker 6: a fun way to cut. The season as, WELL but
Speaker 6: you know i think, no matter what happens people are
Speaker 6: going to criticize the league and criticize the game, and
Speaker 6: things like that because that's the nature of. Social media
Speaker 6: these days but as a fan, And as an analyst.
Speaker 6: I'm really enjoying it so.
Speaker 2: Let's dig into the ants, stuff for a, Minute because,
Speaker 2: you know game three he comes out of the, gates completely,
Speaker 2: on fire and certainly if you want to Say more
Speaker 2: engaged in game three, OUT of THE gates i guess i.
Speaker 1: Can concede THAT point but what i Saw Last.
Speaker 2: Night From oklahoma city as mark dagnoldlets to Move off,
Speaker 2: of the Hartenstein stuff he puts, chad into the, five
Speaker 2: he goes small and, then, on every dribble handoff on,
Speaker 2: every pick and roll on, every off ball action you
Speaker 2: have First of all lout dort who plays defense like,
Speaker 2: He's A middle linebacker jalen WILLIAMS who's like, All nba
Speaker 2: defense caliber, shay who's six's Eight And then Either Alex
Speaker 2: caruso or casan wallace that are both just absolute. Dogs
Speaker 2: on The perimeter they blitzed ant on every single pick
Speaker 2: and roll one hundred. Percent of his drives he was
Speaker 2: double teamed every time he put the.
Speaker 1: Ball in the deck they ran.
Speaker 2: Two, DEFENDERS at him lee i don't know what you
Speaker 2: do if your aunt because.
Speaker 1: They're just like you go. Back and watch it there's
Speaker 1: no room for him to.
Speaker 2: Get his shots off and he did, MAKE the right
Speaker 2: play i thought, more often than not and his teammates,
Speaker 2: did knock down shots so you know. You hear The
Speaker 2: inside guys like kenny always talks about if you're one,
Speaker 2: OF the great players i need you to take, eighteen
Speaker 2: TO twenty shots then i know kind. Of where you're
Speaker 2: at and if those shots are forced in the face of,
Speaker 2: two and three defenders they're. Not high quality Looks so
Speaker 2: what was aunt kind of supposed TO do when the
Speaker 2: okc game plan was clearly we are going to throw
Speaker 2: two of these dog defenders at him every time, he
Speaker 2: gets the ball and we are going to make.
Speaker 1: Other players beat us, and they almost did.
Speaker 2: Because they scored forty one points in the fourth quarter
Speaker 2: against one of the best defensive teams that we've seen.
Speaker 2: In a long time i'm Just not sure what anne
Speaker 2: was supposed to do last night in the face of
Speaker 2: that game plan that was designed to take him.
Speaker 1: Entirely, OUT of, it yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean it's again, it's a good question and it's
Speaker 6: a fair way to sort of analyze, it because you
Speaker 6: know we, always, sort of say like we want the
Speaker 6: guy to step up and, make the big play and
Speaker 6: that doesn't necessarily mean, MAKE the. Big, shot i, guess
Speaker 6: so YOU know, from what i saw he had a
Speaker 6: couple of those drives where he. Went, inside fairly quickly
Speaker 6: now if you know, the double is coming then maybe
Speaker 6: that's on the Coaching Staff, there of chris finch but
Speaker 6: it's also Maybe On on on anthony edward was to
Speaker 6: get into that action a little quicker to try, to
Speaker 6: beat that, double or you know see if he can
Speaker 6: get a switch to get a defender that you. PREFER to,
Speaker 6: have there i mean It's always we're all monday morning
Speaker 6: quarterbacks after the game and, we can you know analyze
Speaker 6: and criticize. And things like that but he had a
Speaker 6: couple of moves because he is so athletic and he
Speaker 6: is so fast that he can, cruise inside, to me you.
Speaker 6: Know seemingly at will but last night he did it,
Speaker 6: a couple of times but then. He sort of hesitated
Speaker 6: and again maybe the leadership, FROM him is like i
Speaker 6: don't want to have to. DO it all myself i
Speaker 6: want to show trust and. Faith in my, teammates, and
Speaker 6: you know again there's, no real right answer because if
Speaker 6: he has one of those games where he goes for
Speaker 6: forty five points or fifty points, or something like that
Speaker 6: then maybe people will criticize, them, anyway and say hey
Speaker 6: you got to. Trust your teammates more but. IT'S a,
Speaker 6: TOUGH one I Mean i remember jason tatum's unfortunately his
Speaker 6: last game Of The Season in new york city against
Speaker 6: the next he had forty two points and he, was carrying,
Speaker 6: his team you know putting them into a spot where
Speaker 6: they were going. To win the game, Now they ULTIMATELY
Speaker 6: didn't but what i saw from him was a, LEADER
Speaker 6: who was like i know these other, guys can, Do
Speaker 6: it but tonight i'm going to step. Up and do
Speaker 6: it and he was on the way to doing that.
Speaker 6: Before unfortunately got injured so, there's, always you know again
Speaker 6: it's always, EASY to, look back i think and sort
Speaker 6: of pinpoint things and say you, should have done this he.
Speaker 6: Should have, DONE that Either Way i think anthony edwards
Speaker 6: will learn from last night's game and we'll see how
Speaker 6: It plays out in game five and not just, for
Speaker 6: THIS season on because i truly think he has got
Speaker 6: that elite level competitiveness in him and ultimately he'll become better.
Speaker 1: For it Before.
Speaker 2: WE move out East A, thought, on julius, randall who
Speaker 2: in fairness has had the best spring that he's EVER had.
Speaker 1: As an Nba player, AS a nick fan i.
Speaker 2: CAN speak to it i always was skeptical of THE
Speaker 2: way the previous nick team Was built. Only because jalen's
Speaker 2: awesome but if your number Two Offensive, option is julius
Speaker 2: randall you're going to run into games like we've run
Speaker 2: into over the past two where he is watching, from
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter like he's watching from the bench, in
Speaker 2: THE fourth quarter and i just for, All the ant
Speaker 2: Stuff i'm looking at, julius one, of seven. Five points
Speaker 2: five turnovers And The, problem with julius randall this has.
Speaker 2: Always been the deal, if he's not scoring if he's
Speaker 2: not involved, offensively and making shots he's just. Not as
Speaker 2: engaged defensively and we. Saw it last night so what's
Speaker 2: your take on What We've seen from julius randall over the.
Speaker 1: Past, couple, OF games.
Speaker 6: Yeah well i mean those First two games in oka
Speaker 6: see and he was really, aggressive from the start almost, Like,
Speaker 6: He was like okay i'm going to show the years,
Speaker 6: of my experience here because he was hitting threes and
Speaker 6: he was aggressive and. On for his shot but certainly
Speaker 6: that has Been the criticism of julius, rounds throughout his
Speaker 6: career where some nights he LOOKED like an, all nba
Speaker 6: caliber player and other, nights like last night he does
Speaker 6: seem to be sleepwalking. A LITTLE bit more and i
Speaker 6: think that consistency is tough for a lot of players
Speaker 6: because you have those good games and then all of
Speaker 6: a sudden things? Aren't going your way what do you?
Speaker 6: Have as a backup when Do YOU? Go To plan
Speaker 6: b and julius doesn't really, Seem to have, that whereas
Speaker 6: you know you would like to see, him go inside
Speaker 6: again maybe try, to draw some fout get, some high percentage.
Speaker 6: Looks whatever it is if a, three is not falling
Speaker 6: if the mid, range is not falling have something else.
Speaker 6: There in your bag and. At times he does but
Speaker 6: again it's a little bit frustrating because there are times
Speaker 6: where it just seems like he's just not. Focused on,
Speaker 6: the game and again last night was a must Win.
Speaker 6: REALLY for, the wolves i mean obviously they're, still statistically
Speaker 6: in it but for, all intents and purposes are going
Speaker 6: to lose. In five games here and it was just
Speaker 6: just A frustrating, way because i thought even though it,
Speaker 6: WAS close last night i Always felt that the, thunder
Speaker 6: WERE in control and i think you know that that
Speaker 6: was sort of. Reflected in the. Score In the end the,
Speaker 6: wolves gave it everything but ultimately they just didn't have
Speaker 6: that same or that same, aggression that they Had you,
Speaker 6: know in game three which got, them that huge, win
Speaker 6: And you know the thunder were able to sort of
Speaker 6: overcome that like a, pretty embarrassing loss there and they
Speaker 6: were able to bounce, back a lot quicker whereas it
Speaker 6: was Almost like maybe the wolves thought all. Their work,
Speaker 6: was done who, knows but you know we'll see, the
Speaker 6: playoffs this, year and you know every series seems to be.
Speaker 6: A little bit crazy so, there is, a chance, you
Speaker 6: know if you if you sort, of think About it
Speaker 6: that the wolves could still extend this series and get.
Speaker 6: Themselves BACK into it but i think they probably blew.
Speaker 2: Their chance, last night all right before We get to Tonight,
Speaker 2: sunday's game, IN indiana you know i was ready to
Speaker 2: turn it off in the second quarter, and, ready to
Speaker 2: say okay.
Speaker 1: This Is a sweep the. Knicks go, down twenty you
Speaker 1: know one of the more under Talked.
Speaker 2: About, dynamics of sunday, lee in my Opinion Is the
Speaker 2: way new york closed the second quarter to get. It,
Speaker 2: down to thirteen now that doesn't, sound like a lot
Speaker 2: but when they Went down twenty and, halliburton gets the,
Speaker 2: Steal there's a dunk.
Speaker 1: It just felt like there.
Speaker 2: Was no way Back even though the knicks have come back,
Speaker 2: down from you know come back from down twenty points
Speaker 2: a Couple. Times against the celtics the pacers just felt like.
Speaker 2: They Were Built differently when nie, smith hurt his ankle
Speaker 2: that changed the. Scope Of, THE game, on friday i
Speaker 2: said a, couple Of Different times can tom thibodeau find
Speaker 2: ten To Fifteen, minutes For Landry, shammitt for delon Wright
Speaker 2: even precious to chew, Who did not play and he
Speaker 2: was able to find some minutes for some, of His
Speaker 2: bench players and jalen, was in foul trouble so of
Speaker 2: course he was limited as far, as HIS minutes go
Speaker 2: which i think is good because the starters didn't look
Speaker 2: like they were dying Down the stretch in game three
Speaker 2: because he was able To get, Some rep you know
Speaker 2: kat has that stretch to the.
Speaker 1: Start of the fourth it reminds you like how special he.
Speaker 2: Is when he's engaged but your Main Takeaways with how
Speaker 2: new york came back from that deficit and Got, it,
Speaker 2: done on sunday well it WAS.
Speaker 6: Quite interesting because tj McConnell had a press availability yesterday and,
Speaker 6: he was asked like did you guys maybe take you
Speaker 6: from the gas a little bit when they were up
Speaker 6: twenty with about seven minutes to go, in the second
Speaker 6: quarter and, he, said you know. Yeah subconsciously you do
Speaker 6: you sort of feel like you've got the game in.
Speaker 6: Hand a little Bit and then the knicks made a
Speaker 6: little push to get it close with at a half
Speaker 6: time and then it was still about double digits going
Speaker 6: into the fourth and It Felt Like then karl anthony
Speaker 6: toown's had four, points and, four, rebounds was like man
Speaker 6: the headlines are not going to be. Kind to, him
Speaker 6: tomorrow you know it's like this guy. Has not stepped
Speaker 6: up and instead he went out there and delivered one,
Speaker 6: of the best performances not just for the fourth quarter
Speaker 6: in about a seven minute stretch there where he had twenty,
Speaker 6: points and eight rebounds, hit the big three and most,
Speaker 6: importantly and most impressively he. Attacked the Rim Too, he
Speaker 6: went miles turner he had a. Huge and one dunk
Speaker 6: he had another layup where he Just went straight at
Speaker 6: turner and said you're either going To block me or i'm,
Speaker 6: getting a basket here and both times he made it
Speaker 6: turned it into. A three point play and so we
Speaker 6: know That That Is what karl anthony. Towns is capable
Speaker 6: of and it took basically the next season to be
Speaker 6: on the line there for him, to bring it Out
Speaker 6: and so now i'm really excited. To see the game
Speaker 6: i'm going to be heading to the arena in about
Speaker 6: half an hour OR so here because i really Want
Speaker 6: To see if karl anthony town starts, the game like
Speaker 6: that and if he comes, out, AND he says hey
Speaker 6: i am the best player out there and these guys
Speaker 6: can't defend, me ONE on one and i want to
Speaker 6: see him put his team in a position where they
Speaker 6: don't have to come back, from twenty points down they
Speaker 6: don't have to sort of be in that position, where
Speaker 6: it's like okay all, or nothing right now instead have
Speaker 6: some sort, of A comfortable game because i Think that's
Speaker 6: What The knicks and karl. Anthonytowns are capable of we just.
Speaker 6: Don't see it consistently but that. WAS another, remarkable Game
Speaker 6: i mean jalb brunson. Was in foul trouble he had four.
Speaker 6: In the first half pounds is. Often In foul trouble,
Speaker 6: landry shammock came out gave them a, decent little stretch
Speaker 6: there hit a couple of baskets and the, lot Right.
Speaker 6: ANOTHER guy another vet i think he can handle the possessions,
Speaker 6: better than campaign anyway, for a Few Minutes, and so
Speaker 6: tom thibodeau he obviously mixed up the. Starting lineup as
Speaker 6: Well He. Went with mitchell. Robinson he changed things now
Speaker 6: didn't necessarily work straight away because they were down to,
Speaker 6: twenty as we discussed but. They got the Win and
Speaker 6: so now i'm really Fascinated To see does tom tipoteau
Speaker 6: now go a little deeper into that bench and not,
Speaker 6: necessarily with more players but Give those guys like shaman
Speaker 6: and write a little bit more trust and a little
Speaker 6: bit more time to save, the legs, of Guys you
Speaker 6: know Like bridges and like brunton who, have just, played
Speaker 6: HEAVY heavy minutes because i think that's the Only real
Speaker 6: way the knicks are going to survive. And extend this
Speaker 6: series they've got to get, a few more guys a
Speaker 6: few more minutes and hold up their. End of The,
Speaker 6: bargain because the pacers Who May be without nie smith tonight,
Speaker 6: hasn't been announced yet they can write a lot like
Speaker 6: that because they already play, nine OR ten Guys And
Speaker 6: i know rick carlyle Has Some guys like ben sheppard
Speaker 6: who can come out there and play. Some really Good
Speaker 6: minutes so THE knicks saw Something i think in game
Speaker 6: three and now we're going to be really Interested to
Speaker 6: see if. Tibeau Sticks with, that in game four there.
Speaker 2: Were plus twelve in The seventeen minutes without jalen in
Speaker 2: minus six and the thirty one. Minutes, which he, played
Speaker 2: that's of course not An Indictment on who jalen brunson,
Speaker 2: is as a player but it does make you curious
Speaker 2: about some of the defensive potential with some. Of the Other,
Speaker 2: lineups for at, carlisle with, his gamesmanship of course has
Speaker 2: made a.
Speaker 1: Couple of comments that.
Speaker 2: Have been SOMEWHAT interesting but before, I say you lose
Speaker 2: indiana's a two point. Five Point Favorite tonight if, nie
Speaker 2: smith can't Go My, guess it's ben shephard who's been
Speaker 2: solid as a perimitterive defensive player and a guy that
Speaker 2: can knock.
Speaker 1: Down threes AS well so before, i set you Loose?
Speaker 1: Do you have Aleen?
Speaker 2: Do you have aleen as far as how you think
Speaker 2: we're going to, see it go tonight that's.
Speaker 6: A pretty good Line i favor THE pacers because again
Speaker 6: i think they were somewhat Embarrassed how they lost game
Speaker 6: three and they know they, stole home court, advantage which
Speaker 6: is great but the worst thing is if you have
Speaker 6: home court advantage and. You GIVE it back so i
Speaker 6: Think they know that game five is going to be
Speaker 6: tough No Matter What, in new york city that we.
Speaker 6: KNOW we're going There i think the pacers want to
Speaker 6: make sure they take care of business tonight because they
Speaker 6: don't want to get into A situation where the knicks
Speaker 6: potentially turn this around and, get up three Too because,
Speaker 6: we know game seven if, it goes that far Would
Speaker 6: Be Back. In New york city the pace has, won there,
Speaker 6: last year of course, but again every season, Every SERIES
Speaker 6: is different So i think the, paces ARE okay tonight
Speaker 6: but i think it is going to be. A pretty
Speaker 6: tight one i think it's going to be. A low
Speaker 6: scoring affair i think both teams are going to try
Speaker 6: to keep it a little bit slower than normally and.
Speaker 6: Just Keep it tight So i'll. TAKE the paces well
Speaker 6: i think, they probably do cover.
Speaker 1: But not by much where can People go find you
Speaker 1: worklee and follow?
Speaker 2: Along?
Speaker 1: With The journey yeah.
Speaker 6: Just lee ellis on all, The, Social, channels there twitter
Speaker 6: INSTAGRAM TikTok l E i G H E l L,
Speaker 6: I s and yeah i'll be, at The arena tonight
Speaker 6: so I'LL be sharing what i see behind the scenes and.
Speaker 6: All that, good, stuff thank you.
Speaker 1: Sir enjoy the, Game, we'll chat soon.
Speaker 2: Okay thanks having me, leellis old school podcaster LEGEND as far.
Speaker 2: As nba podcasters Go he is In indianapolis for The
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Speaker 4: The pride of norwich connecticut and An Adopted Son. Of
Speaker 4: salt lake city after Forty Years, with the utah jazz
Speaker 4: there's no one better. To Talk Some hoops richard smitty
Speaker 4: smith Is back ON the drive. On Espn Seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Richard smitty smith Is back ON the drive, on espn
Speaker 2: seven Hundred, Live In, studio smitty, happy tuesday my, friend how?
Speaker 1: ARE you sir man i am.
Speaker 8: DOING a good spress i.
Speaker 9: HAD a good weekend i had had the opportunity to
Speaker 9: uh to, play a little golf starting A long weekend
Speaker 9: on friday with an all star foursome that included you
Speaker 9: right at the, top of The Chart and And Tim.
Speaker 9: Howells and wesley ruff That was a fun that was a.
Speaker 9: Fun day for me and then of course by the
Speaker 9: rest of my weekend went downhill because when you start
Speaker 9: right at the top of the mountain and you're hanging
Speaker 9: Out With like The Mount Rushmore of salt, lake city
Speaker 9: sports scene and then you have nowhere.
Speaker 8: To go But downhill that's what that's what it, was
Speaker 8: Like For me.
Speaker 2: The Mount Rushmore Of the salt, lake, City sports Scene Me.
Speaker 2: Tim and west, ralphie, you, get well hey hey you.
Speaker 2: Guys are right there you, guys are. Right there right
Speaker 2: there they're still. They're, still carving.
Speaker 1: It sure it's.
Speaker 9: STILL going on, now i, imagine Somehow You know soon president
Speaker 9: trump will, fit in there somewhere because apparently he wants
Speaker 9: to be in all.
Speaker 8: The all, the, stuff, but, sure.
Speaker 1: Sure yeah sure well it was. It was a pleasure thank.
Speaker 1: You for The, invite oh hey spence you.
Speaker 8: You are playing well for all of.
Speaker 9: Our listeners who here you talked about golfer going out
Speaker 9: hack or. Whatever you you are you have a very
Speaker 9: nice swing and you can really tag the ball.
Speaker 8: When you get. A, HOLD of it. Now I like
Speaker 8: that and i think It.
Speaker 9: Was sixteen at bontaville we were in the middle of
Speaker 9: the fairway and YOU had a nice i don't. Know
Speaker 9: what it was one eighty or something and to the green,
Speaker 9: and you hit it and the thing just took off
Speaker 9: and none of us. Knew where it went and we
Speaker 9: just saw it fly over, the over the trap and
Speaker 9: over the trees and over the next tea box. And
Speaker 9: then it disappeared and we looked at each other like
Speaker 9: that ball must have gone like two twenty.
Speaker 8: THIRTY yards or something i don't, know where it, went.
Speaker 1: BUT selection.
Speaker 9: SIT sir i turned, I. TURNED to you spence i don't.
Speaker 9: Think you hear IT heard, Me, when i said spence. They,
Speaker 9: moved the green. Yeah it's over.
Speaker 8: Here. It's over here yeah.
Speaker 1: And, AT part five. TOO i blew.
Speaker 2: It I blew it so i put, it over the,
Speaker 2: green had to drop was able to, get up and.
Speaker 2: Down which was nice But Great. TO see tim outse
Speaker 2: i haven't seen him. In a long time.
Speaker 9: Tim is him is. A very good golfer he's been.
Speaker 9: Playing All, his life, and tim you know. He really,
Speaker 9: gives back you know he's been involved for a lot
Speaker 9: of Years with the first tea program Here and here
Speaker 9: in utah that that helps some young kids get involved
Speaker 9: with the game of golf and and and exposing them
Speaker 9: to the to. The game Early on and and tim's
Speaker 9: been a, big proponent of that and and the heead
Speaker 9: of that for for for, a while, as well and
Speaker 9: uh it's Still acted them that and it was good
Speaker 9: to hang out with him.
Speaker 2: On a golf course and for our listeners that, May
Speaker 2: not be familiar tim was the General manager of the
Speaker 2: jazz for A.
Speaker 5: Few.
Speaker 10: Years, the bah yeah yeah he was, there for ten
Speaker 10: years ten years ninety to two thousand and during The
Speaker 10: so called hey day, and and you know And and
Speaker 10: when the jazz finished their run and had won more
Speaker 10: games THAN anybody in the nba during, That ten year
Speaker 10: run tim called, the, meeting and said BOYS that's that's.
Speaker 9: All i, can do, and uh you know. It's up
Speaker 9: to you, i'm out of here and walked. Out the
Speaker 9: Back door and Then i'm Only team i'm teasing. Tim
Speaker 9: on the air but he did a, great job for
Speaker 9: us for the for the organization all those.
Speaker 8: Years, he, Was.
Speaker 1: Involved yeah yeah So shout out sim Als And Of
Speaker 1: course Wes. Roff.
Speaker 9: Hall, Of famer wes okay wes is gonna is gonna
Speaker 9: push BACK and TELL you i was i Was honored By.
Speaker 9: THE hall of fame i was Not inducted into. The hall,
Speaker 9: of fame, he's gonna, you know it's like but but
Speaker 9: a great honor for him and and way overdue in,
Speaker 9: my in My opinion knowing what wes has done in
Speaker 9: the local sports scene forever as well as especially with
Speaker 9: the with the game of. Golf for so long but
Speaker 9: you know that that that kind of reminds me that
Speaker 9: that the semantics in the language spence is a little
Speaker 9: bit LIKE when you. AND i play golf i know
Speaker 9: that there's you taught me a great phrase to use
Speaker 9: Along With, my buddy chris lino who told me this a,
Speaker 9: couple of years ago said when he when he's walking
Speaker 9: to the, cart off the, green and he said there's
Speaker 9: a difference when THE guy tells you, i got a
Speaker 9: five or, He says to you, I'll TAKE a five
Speaker 9: and i know that's that's uh in the. SAME vein
Speaker 9: that spends i know you you walk off a lot
Speaker 9: of greens and Just yell over and.
Speaker 8: I'll take a four.
Speaker 2: I'LL take a FORE i feel like i keep, my
Speaker 2: score with Integrity But at times i'll i'll take a
Speaker 2: generous strivege and maybe.
Speaker 1: Give myself a part but who?
Speaker 9: Were supposed to do nicholas was one of the one
Speaker 9: of the obviously maybe probably. The greatest GOLFER ever and
Speaker 9: he's i heard him say time and time again over
Speaker 9: the years and interviews when people ask him for advice
Speaker 9: or about, the game, of golf he says people forget that,
Speaker 9: that first and foremost it's supposed to be a fun
Speaker 9: game that you go out and you enjoy it with
Speaker 9: friends and family or, new friends or whoever and you.
Speaker 9: Have fun with it and people who get all wrapped
Speaker 9: up in what their score is or what the technicalities
Speaker 9: are when they're, playing a, fun round you Know on,
Speaker 9: on a saturday morning or losing sight of what it's supposed,
Speaker 9: to be. All, About you know yeah and it's one
Speaker 9: of the great people to be reminded Of, that lesson
Speaker 9: about right we had A. Great time on friday we
Speaker 9: did fun to hang. Out, with you guys no thank.
Speaker 1: You for the invite last thing on this and. Then.
Speaker 2: We'll move on uh one thing really changed my approach
Speaker 2: to to the game where one of THE really good,
Speaker 2: players i play, with and he said if, you want
Speaker 2: to improve you. Go to the range if, you want
Speaker 2: to improve. You go hit balls if, you want to improve.
Speaker 2: You take a lesson if, you want to improve you
Speaker 2: grab somebody that can help. You understand your swing we're
Speaker 2: out here to. Have a good time we're not out there,
Speaker 2: like during the round because you can drive yourself crazy
Speaker 2: with every single minute adjustment you feel like you have to.
Speaker 2: Make while you're playing but then you lose sight of
Speaker 2: the fact that we're outside for four hours in the sunshine.
Speaker 9: Having, a good time, spence you know me and, you
Speaker 9: know my game and you know it's it's it's really
Speaker 9: in the gut or most Of the time when i'm
Speaker 9: standing over the ball and, ALL of a sudden i
Speaker 9: Have eight different. THINGS i'm thinking about I already. KNOW
Speaker 9: that i'm defeated I already know that i'm only gonna
Speaker 9: maybe take care of two of those eight, things on.
Speaker 9: This swing you know and and, when when that happens
Speaker 9: you know you're you know you're in trouble when you're
Speaker 9: when you're trying to.
Speaker 1: Outthink yourself, for sure all right well let's do let's
Speaker 1: do the.
Speaker 2: Jazz stuff this segment THEN We'll save the nba playoffs stuff. For,
Speaker 2: Our second segment smith he's live with. Us For an
Speaker 2: hour uh june twenty fifth is. Right, around the corner
Speaker 2: yeah so WEEKS Away, FROM the nba draft i will
Speaker 2: be anchoring our Coverage.
Speaker 1: With you and gordy. Can't wait for it. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be awesome we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Have a good time what as somebody that were was
Speaker 2: in these rooms? For basically four decades what what?
Speaker 1: What's the?
Speaker 2: Process like right now is? Weeks before the draft we're
Speaker 2: here and so it's. Kind of go time what's what's happening? To?
Speaker 1: Prepare for This.
Speaker 9: Yeah so now SPENCE the. The the nba personnel, the
Speaker 9: last few weeks THEY'VE gotten THROUGH The Uh the, nba
Speaker 9: pre draft camp which is a Couple. Weeks ago, in
Speaker 9: chicago following that then there were a bunch of what,
Speaker 9: we call agent workouts most of them sent In two
Speaker 9: areas in chicago while they're at. The pre draft, camp
Speaker 9: right after that some agents would organize some individual workouts for,
Speaker 9: for their their players their, their draft eligible players and
Speaker 9: then almost all of that group get on separate flights
Speaker 9: AND fly to the la area and then, they spend
Speaker 9: last week about a four or five day Period Prior
Speaker 9: to the MEMORIAL day weekend getting uh going To Agent
Speaker 9: workouts In Thousand, oaks In Santa monica in huntington beach
Speaker 9: and in various PLACES on north of la and they're,
Speaker 9: all in different gyms and you always they're coordinating, with each,
Speaker 9: other about you know who's gonna have a workout at
Speaker 9: ten in the morning and, with their five guys and
Speaker 9: all the all the people from the teams, want to
Speaker 9: be there and so they don't want to miss the
Speaker 9: workout for a guy who's who's working, out in another
Speaker 9: gym and, so, the agent says well we'll do. Ours
Speaker 9: at one o'clock so all you guys at the Ten
Speaker 9: O'clock workout in santa monica can then jump in your
Speaker 9: car and get on the four h five And Drive
Speaker 9: up the thousand oaks and get to the gym in
Speaker 9: time for the. One o'clock workout there and then some
Speaker 9: of you got TO come back to ucla at four
Speaker 9: o'clock for the workout that one agency is going to have.
Speaker 9: With THEIR three, guys and i mean it's really. It's
Speaker 9: really a jumble and sometimes you have to divide your
Speaker 9: forces because you have a lot of guys from your
Speaker 9: organization that are, there watching the workouts maybe conducting, some
Speaker 9: interviews at hotels sometimes right. There at, the gym you
Speaker 9: know on the side of the gym while guys are walking.
Speaker 8: Out of the.
Speaker 9: Gym it really becomes a hodgepodge sometimes depending on who's
Speaker 9: available and who you want to talk to and who
Speaker 9: you want. To reach out to and then you're also
Speaker 9: working with the agents at that time about guys they
Speaker 9: represent who you may have an interest in, bringing to
Speaker 9: your market uh for a more full scale workout with
Speaker 9: your coaches in tow running the workouts and being able
Speaker 9: to do interviews and and and do a player profiles and.
Speaker 9: Those kinds of things and so they've, got all that
Speaker 9: stuff all that so called travel stuff. Is in the
Speaker 9: bank so now they are starting to invite players.
Speaker 8: Uh to their to.
Speaker 9: Their their Home market so the jazz are working on
Speaker 9: scheduling guys to. Come in for workouts they're, working with
Speaker 9: other teams so they're calling Their their Counterparts in denver
Speaker 9: And phoenix And And. Sacramento, and golden state hey you
Speaker 9: bringing In the Kid, From rutgers on thursday can you
Speaker 9: Send them here on friday so we can get a
Speaker 9: look at them and. That kind of thing so you're
Speaker 9: coordinating with the teams as well as. Coordinating with the
Speaker 9: agents so there's a. Lot of moving parts for. A
Speaker 9: lot of years our point Man On, that was walt
Speaker 9: perrin who is our vice president player personnel. For a
Speaker 9: Long time and and walt was always going crazy, this
Speaker 9: time of year mixing and matching and moving all the
Speaker 9: chess pieces around and and and it never works out
Speaker 9: the way you wanted to because a, guy always drops
Speaker 9: out or a, guy missed a flight or a guy
Speaker 9: twisted His, ankle yesterday in denver and now he can't work.
Speaker 9: Out for you today and and so she got all those,
Speaker 9: moving parts going on and then add on, on top
Speaker 9: of that you've now got also a contingency that's going To,
Speaker 9: Go over to treviso italy in the next Week to
Speaker 9: to watch european guys do the same thing That was
Speaker 9: done in CHICAGO here At the. Nba pre Draft camp
Speaker 9: so the european pre draft camp Will, be held in
Speaker 9: treviso which Is, Just, outside of venice italy and a
Speaker 9: lot of guys trying and draw the long straw so
Speaker 9: they can they can Get a trip over italy for a,
Speaker 9: week To watch them the italian players and, get some,
Speaker 9: good food you Know in the early june before they really, cranking,
Speaker 9: out the draft.
Speaker 8: Which as you mentioned is The. Last week of.
Speaker 2: June so when it, comes to individual workouts the way,
Speaker 2: teams handle these, workouts and you know it was always
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things to. SIT back and watch
Speaker 2: I Can Remember before jeff van gundy was the Head
Speaker 2: coach of the Knicks and. Was pat riley's assistant he,
Speaker 2: was the you know he was the honorary chest passer
Speaker 2: for these young kids THEY'D come, IN and i remember
Speaker 2: i think it was Ninety two when the knicks had a.
Speaker 1: Late first round pick They Used.
Speaker 2: It on hubert davis But They worked Out doug christy
Speaker 2: and ROBERT or together and i was courtside. WATCHING the
Speaker 2: whole thing i just thought it, was the, coolest thing
Speaker 2: you know watching these. Things kind of transpire what are
Speaker 2: you looking for if you put yourself in The Seat.
Speaker 2: Of the utah, jazz first of all as a team with,
Speaker 2: the top five pick you have doors opened. All over
Speaker 2: the place agents want, to talk to you players want
Speaker 2: to work out for you because you have. A TOP
Speaker 2: five pick so i would imagine that opens up avenues
Speaker 2: And doors that the jazz wouldn't have if they were.
Speaker 1: Only, At twenty.
Speaker 2: One right so you have. A top five pick people will.
Speaker 2: Answer your phone call they want. To talk to you
Speaker 2: what are you trying to accomplish throughout the process of
Speaker 2: these individual? Workouts and player interviews what are you? Trying
Speaker 2: to find Out.
Speaker 9: Most of it's spence it really has to do with
Speaker 9: getting to know the individual player and also doing any
Speaker 9: follow up in terms, of physical testing him making sure
Speaker 9: he doesn't have a bad knee or you heard that
Speaker 9: he played during the season. With a sore, back you,
Speaker 9: want to you know want to check on those things
Speaker 9: with your medical staff while. They're in town here they
Speaker 9: all go Through, medical testing in chicago so every team
Speaker 9: gets the exact same Reports out of the chicago pre
Speaker 9: draft camp. For all thirty guys they put, it in.
Speaker 9: A big big binder you would have a meeting with all,
Speaker 9: of your decision makers with all your, people within your
Speaker 9: organization usually about a week he, could before the draft
Speaker 9: and you sit down for a whole evening with your
Speaker 9: doctors and you go through every. Player page by page
Speaker 9: you start with the a's and you go all, the
Speaker 9: way through disease and you go through how Is. This,
Speaker 9: guy in, chicago yeah he's, okay he's a. Green he's
Speaker 9: an orange he's a red flag depending on how. His
Speaker 9: physical came out but when he, comes in your market
Speaker 9: if there was something, there was a question then you
Speaker 9: have a chance to follow up on. That kind of
Speaker 9: thing the workout itself is probably the last thing on
Speaker 9: the priority scale of, things that you do because you've
Speaker 9: been watching. Him play all year You watch them in chicago.
Speaker 9: With the other guys the, workout you may have there
Speaker 9: are specific rules to the, workout in your, market so
Speaker 9: for example you cannot work out more than six. Guys
Speaker 9: at one time so the perfect workout is when you
Speaker 9: have six guys who were all playing similar positions and
Speaker 9: all who are are projected to be in a similar.
Speaker 9: Space of the draft because now you can you can
Speaker 9: kind of look at apples to apples and see how they.
Speaker 9: Play against each other but it's always you're, always couch,
Speaker 9: that with you know with, a degree of ambiguity, because
Speaker 9: you're not sure you know if if what you see
Speaker 9: good bad in the middle in a workout is really
Speaker 9: who the guy is and and and those are the
Speaker 9: things that, really temper you know your what you come away,
Speaker 9: with on, those uh you know We've Had We had
Speaker 9: carlos boozer who's, who was you know obviously had a
Speaker 9: terrific career and had Great. Years for the jazz came
Speaker 9: in for his first workout with us and and was.
Speaker 8: Not very good at.
Speaker 1: All, the second round yeah.
Speaker 9: But but but we we get him in the, interview, and, We,
Speaker 9: say hey uh carlos how was how'd you feel out.
Speaker 9: There in the court it looked like a little sluggish you,
Speaker 9: were you, didn't work you know it didn't quite, what we,
Speaker 9: Were expecting you know, and, and, HE said, WELL yeah.
Speaker 9: I know i apologize I am probably because i don't
Speaker 9: have a. Lot of energy today and we said is
Speaker 9: there a reason for that and you know or? Something
Speaker 9: we should, know, AND he goes. WELL i don't know
Speaker 9: i haven't eaten. In twenty four hours, and, we, said
Speaker 9: wa wha wha wha what you haven't eaten? In twenty
Speaker 9: four hour? What do, you, MEAN he goes well i
Speaker 9: got Up yesterday MORNING and durham and i had to
Speaker 9: GET the flight AND i don't have i don't, have
Speaker 9: A credit card so i. Don't have any money and
Speaker 9: When we traveled with duke on the, road for our
Speaker 9: games we were we were supplied, food by the team
Speaker 9: but we're always told that we couldn't we couldn't order
Speaker 9: any room service because they weren't allowed. To pay for
Speaker 9: THAT and so so i got here IN the hotel
Speaker 9: and i didn't. HAVE a credit card i, don't HAVE
Speaker 9: any money. So i haven't eat we go what?
Speaker 8: Are you?
Speaker 9: Talking about you know and and so we actually had
Speaker 9: him come back for another workout, like two, weeks Later
Speaker 9: you know and, Kevin, O'Connor, told him look Carlos You
Speaker 9: go into golden state.
Speaker 8: Tomorrow for.
Speaker 9: Another workout you're going you, make sure you properly. You do,
Speaker 9: all that and look if you, ever have a problem here's.
Speaker 9: My credit card number you just keep it in your
Speaker 9: wallet and. Charge it, to me he goes don't. Don't
Speaker 9: be doing that you're you're you're. Playing with Your career
Speaker 9: and and carlos, was just, being honest you. Know with,
Speaker 9: THE process you know i, don't Have any money so,
Speaker 9: i'm not you, know that's you know, that's just. A
Speaker 9: situation you know and so and then you can, flip
Speaker 9: the other end and You Have, guys like donovan mitchell
Speaker 9: who had a nice a Couple. Of years, at louisville
Speaker 9: nothing Spectacular Nothing on the all american, level anything like
Speaker 9: that and he came in and doesn't, work out for us, and,
Speaker 9: and we're, going okay, all right hold on was this
Speaker 9: like just happened to be his day or is that
Speaker 9: something We didn't see at louisville, for whatever the reason
Speaker 9: or are? We what we're seeing is, that really you
Speaker 9: know to be believed or so you're you're, measuring all
Speaker 9: those things and it's. Always all, The scale you know
Speaker 9: Rudy came in and rudy had did his workout three,
Speaker 9: days Before the draft and rudy had Been sick in the,
Speaker 9: chicago pre draft camp so he did. Not perform very
Speaker 9: well so, a lot, of teams you know were skeptical
Speaker 9: about who he was because He was coming from france
Speaker 9: and he played on the lower division team there and maybe,
Speaker 9: he's just seven, one and you know it just, happens
Speaker 9: to be tall but isn't that good. Or whatever it
Speaker 9: is and he came in and, and for, us anyway
Speaker 9: you know really showed that he could move and could
Speaker 9: run and move his hips and we thought there was
Speaker 9: something there, and and you, know but even then he
Speaker 9: still slid to twenty, seven in, the draft you know
Speaker 9: and so these things go, all over the scale you
Speaker 9: Have to have a one of the things you really
Speaker 9: need in your room as a team is to have
Speaker 9: some guys who have, been through, that process you know
Speaker 9: many times and understand what it is and don't get
Speaker 9: up in the things that don't look really look bad
Speaker 9: or the things that look really good and don't. Get
Speaker 9: swayed either, way but, you have you know some kind
Speaker 9: of experience doing.
Speaker 8: That kind of thing obviously the.
Speaker 9: Jazz, do With You know with danny Ainge And guys
Speaker 9: like bart taylor who have been through, that for you
Speaker 9: know ten fifteen years now and have a good handle on.
Speaker 9: Those kind of things so that's that's the stuff you're
Speaker 9: looking for when, you get, them in you know for
Speaker 9: a for an on site workout and, trying to, figure
Speaker 9: out you know mostly who is this guy and is
Speaker 9: someone that we want to seriously consider.
Speaker 8: Adding to our group.
Speaker 2: Let me Follow up, about the donovan workout because it's
Speaker 2: one of these, chapters in jazz history in jazz lore
Speaker 2: that has a lot, of, Tales SURROUNDING it right AND
Speaker 2: i can remember i was with the team's radio, station
Speaker 2: at the time and you started hearing things after the
Speaker 2: workout Where. The Reports, were dennis dennis lindsey who was
Speaker 2: running the, team at the time basically told everybody you
Speaker 2: do not whisper a word about, what we just saw,
Speaker 2: and if you do you. WILL lose your job i
Speaker 2: don't know if, it was that dramatic but and Then
Speaker 2: It's interesting because summer league this year will Be Up
Speaker 2: at the huntsman Center As. They're renovating delta center And
Speaker 2: The last time summer League was at The delta centers
Speaker 2: when donovan went Head To head against jason tatum and,
Speaker 2: gave it to him and, that's, when everybody's like, wait Wait.
Speaker 2: A second, Because tatum i mean i'm not. TAKING a
Speaker 2: Victory lap i thought tatum was the best, player in
Speaker 2: that draft All Due respect to markelle folks who went
Speaker 2: number one and couldn't stay healthy and had. Some, weird
Speaker 2: stuff happen unfortunately THAT'S part of. The nba JOURNEY sometimes
Speaker 2: And when I watched donovan just i remember he slapped
Speaker 2: the Floor and, he picked tatum's pocket went down and
Speaker 2: dunked it with forst and STARTED doing things that i didn't.
Speaker 2: Know he could do what was it about That workout
Speaker 2: that motivated dennis to be so adamant like we just
Speaker 2: found something special here that maybe we didn't know that.
Speaker 6: We.
Speaker 1: Were, Gonna find.
Speaker 9: Yeah, YEAH first of all i would respond just To
Speaker 9: the notion that dennis. May have, said something you know
Speaker 9: nobody SPEAK about this or i don't if. IF that
Speaker 9: ever happened i wasn't in the, room during, that time
Speaker 9: because look we, were at that time we were picking
Speaker 9: twenty four that year in the draft, and during, the workout,
Speaker 9: film study, you know internal discussion conversations with other guys
Speaker 9: we knew around the league who you might have seen
Speaker 9: him more and knew a little. Bit more about him
Speaker 9: and as we did all of our background work and all,
Speaker 9: that kind of stuff he became a player. We were
Speaker 9: interested in but, we also felt, like you know enough
Speaker 9: other teams are going to see what we see and
Speaker 9: he's not going. To get, to us but okay we like. Him,
Speaker 9: to some extent okay we put him up on the
Speaker 9: wall and. Our board And whatever and then dennis was
Speaker 9: able to do his magic, on on, draft night you
Speaker 9: know and be able to. Move up to thirteen and
Speaker 9: because we, want everything we had we all of our
Speaker 9: research showed that he probably wasn't going to get past
Speaker 9: fifteen sixteen. Seventeen something like, that so you know sometimes
Speaker 9: those things happen and they. Fall, in your, lap now
Speaker 9: you know will we the only Team That you like
Speaker 9: donovan mitchell will be the, only ones, who saw you
Speaker 9: know what he might, Be able to know and that's
Speaker 9: that narrative is just. It's just not true you know
Speaker 9: a lot, of teams liked him a lot of teams
Speaker 9: had some concerns about why he didn't play that way When.
Speaker 9: He was, at louisville, you can you know look at
Speaker 9: a lot, of different things whatever and, and Some of
Speaker 9: it really spence just goes to the fact that you know,
Speaker 9: he HAS you KNOW what i would i determine now,
Speaker 9: looking back on it he just HAS more of an
Speaker 9: nba type game in him than you're allowed. To show
Speaker 9: in college and we see guys who can do that.
Speaker 8: From time. To time you know as far, as the,
Speaker 8: process itself you.
Speaker 9: Know we're we're we're always looking for different guys who
Speaker 9: can try and. Add to, your group you know it's
Speaker 9: everything you have, up on the board everything, that you're looking,
Speaker 9: at everything is monitored is recorded in terms of what.
Speaker 9: Teams you've talked to if you're trying, TO move you
Speaker 9: Know i know the jazz are picking five and twenty,
Speaker 9: one at the moment those are. The picks they have
Speaker 9: we always would, be careful, about saying you know are
Speaker 9: the picks we? Have at the moment are these because
Speaker 9: you never know if you're, going to move up, you're
Speaker 9: gonna move back you're gonna move, out of the draft
Speaker 9: depending on all all kinds of things that. Can be,
Speaker 9: going on of course This, year for, the jazz you
Speaker 9: know they're in a, situation where where, everything in my.
Speaker 9: Opinion is in play there is nothing, that's not you
Speaker 9: know either discussable or, something where you say yeah that
Speaker 9: we're just not gonna do that kind of a thing
Speaker 9: because they don't have a team, that's in, a position
Speaker 9: you know to to.
Speaker 8: To act like that so there.
Speaker 9: They'll HAVE everything open everything's i would think is in
Speaker 9: play as far as moving and trading and and trying to,
Speaker 9: compile picks and. Whatever blah blah blah and that's gonna
Speaker 9: be the interesting part for this next month is all
Speaker 9: the all the stuff that might be going On leading.
Speaker 8: Up to, draft day all.
Speaker 2: Right before, we catch a break let's move over to
Speaker 2: this draft and give me your. Thoughts on on, this
Speaker 2: so you know when you Look at who the jazz,
Speaker 2: have on their roster and in a way this Always
Speaker 2: concerned Me with donovan and mike, as a starting backcourt
Speaker 2: even though they're both awesome and obviously they've both gone on.
Speaker 2: To play, well elsewhere You Know we'll use oklahoma city
Speaker 2: as an example because they're just kind of the. Shining stars,
Speaker 2: Of Now you know lou dort, Six Five two twenty,
Speaker 2: alex carusoe sixty. FIVE one ninety five i feel like
Speaker 2: He's bigger than. That jay sixty, seven, even a guy
Speaker 2: uh Even A guy like cason wallace who's, six three
Speaker 2: sixty four plays a. Lot bigger than that jalen, is six,
Speaker 2: 's nine You Know uh so kendrick. Williams is six seven,
Speaker 2: So On the perimeter oklahoma city has. Tremendous size and,
Speaker 2: length and you know you saw last Night They just put.
Speaker 2: Anthony edwards in jail he. Had nowhere to go and
Speaker 2: when You look at the, Jazz, Roster, RIGHT now uh
Speaker 2: clarkson i don't know if he's part, of the future plans.
Speaker 2: But he's Six three they list. ISAIAH at six three
Speaker 2: i don't know. That he's sixty three kant. Sixty, Three
Speaker 2: Sixty four uh, colin sexton sixty three like the, majority
Speaker 2: of their guards uh aren't, necessarily big and long Like
Speaker 2: the wings From minnesota outside of mike And The. Wings
Speaker 2: FOR oklahoma city, and i, feel like you know, it's,
Speaker 2: Easy to say well danny likes Length because He. Drafted
Speaker 2: tatum and brown everybody likes length and. That's what you
Speaker 2: need so when you look at some of the Prospects
Speaker 2: available where the, jazz could be drafting and we don't.
Speaker 2: Know What's gonna happen ace bailey is six seven Six
Speaker 2: eight b. J, edgecomb Sixt' five uh the, Fears Kid,
Speaker 2: is small, trey johnson you know. Six four sixty five
Speaker 2: there are some big wings available with some length. And
Speaker 2: some size there dylan's not going. To get to them,
Speaker 2: Dylan would be, great dylan sixty five but he's probably
Speaker 2: probably gonna be off.
Speaker 1: THE board of two i think they need more length than.
Speaker 2: ATHLETICISM on the Perimeter i Feel like larry and walker
Speaker 2: are the Only two players where, I'd, feel confident like okay,
Speaker 2: we've got those two and then everybody else has a
Speaker 2: tremendous question, marks in MY opinion what sort i know
Speaker 2: you said. Everything's on the, table but At five what
Speaker 2: should jazz fans hope as far as Best case that
Speaker 2: the jazz, Could, WALK away with well i.
Speaker 9: Would think that a number of the guys that are.
Speaker 9: GOING to be there i think if they, ended up
Speaker 9: picking five there may be a couple of surprises that happened.
Speaker 9: AT three and four i think one and, two are
Speaker 9: probably then whether It's those Two Teams dallas and san
Speaker 9: antonio take take the Flag kid, and the harper kid or,
Speaker 9: or if, they they you know for some reason make a,
Speaker 9: trade of, some sort you know and a. Lot of the,
Speaker 9: scuttle but you know as you get closer to THE
Speaker 9: draft is gonna i think it's gonna start getting Some
Speaker 9: steam behind What giannie's situations in milwaukee and what's, gonna
Speaker 9: happen with that.
Speaker 8: Because those, would be to me would.
Speaker 9: Be very interesting Discussions if You're In dallas or san,
Speaker 9: antonio and you Know and somebody from milwaukee, calls, you
Speaker 9: and says hey, you got, a minute you know because,
Speaker 9: for you yeah, exactly and so uh anything could happen
Speaker 9: in that regard and. That in those slots, but then
Speaker 9: you know when, you, get, to three four five there's
Speaker 9: some discussion about who these guys could be and and
Speaker 9: what teams are gonna need, and and you know look
Speaker 9: at A, team like the jazz if they, don't do
Speaker 9: anything else and if they just stay at five and
Speaker 9: they end up picking, a gun at five they're, they're
Speaker 9: really their, responsibility in my opinion is to pick the
Speaker 9: guy whoever they think is the best talent and has the,
Speaker 9: best chance of.
Speaker 1: Succeeding, regardless doing well yeah because.
Speaker 9: Because they need players, they they they're badly they're at
Speaker 9: the bottom looking up and so you know you can't,
Speaker 9: be going for well we. Need a point guard so
Speaker 9: we'll just take. Whoever the point, guard and, you know
Speaker 9: you know if if you determine that some other guy
Speaker 9: uh at another position is going to. Be a better
Speaker 9: player now that that's always in a in a, an
Speaker 9: assessment you make that's always an evaluation of. Guys in
Speaker 9: your room, that's always you know ends, up being you
Speaker 9: know when all when, all the dust settles the guy
Speaker 9: who's your decision maker in This, case, for THE jazz
Speaker 9: uh It's I believe it's danny ainge. Has the, final
Speaker 9: word you know he'll he'll make an assessment based on
Speaker 9: everybody's input and how everybody has has seen uh seen
Speaker 9: these guys and determine what would be the make the
Speaker 9: Most sense for the jazz in terms of adding skill and.
Speaker 9: Talent to their base? What position is that who Knows
Speaker 9: is that the fears kid who you know may have
Speaker 9: a good careers as. As a point Guard is that
Speaker 9: The johnson kid from texas who's who's a flat out score,
Speaker 9: and has good, size uh you know has.
Speaker 8: Has a pro game, and a pro body uh? To
Speaker 8: go with?
Speaker 9: It at that, part at that point is that somebody
Speaker 9: Like The kid from duke nipple who's who measured uh
Speaker 9: shorter than than everybody thought He, was in in chicago
Speaker 9: but is a true playmaker out on the, floor with
Speaker 9: the ball is. Really a smart guy so do you
Speaker 9: need do you want a guy like that to? Add
Speaker 9: to your mix because as we're seeing with these teams
Speaker 9: that are still, alive in the playoffs they all have
Speaker 9: guys that fit in round, pegs into round holes meaning
Speaker 9: they put. Team, A Team Together right shay GILDERS. Alexander,
Speaker 9: is an mvp okay the home grown kid is not
Speaker 9: far behind in terms of just how, he affects the
Speaker 9: game what he. Brings on the floor but now you're
Speaker 9: talking about two key, contributors to their team where guys
Speaker 9: who are not even Drafted in Lou. Dort and and
Speaker 9: caruso and so you have to figure out as an
Speaker 9: organization who who, the big guys are who those guys,
Speaker 9: are going, to be. You know going forward but then
Speaker 9: you also have to plug in those holes somewhere along
Speaker 9: the line with guys that you determined can add to
Speaker 9: your group and fit in and be part of that
Speaker 9: puzzle you're. Trying to put together that's what makes doing
Speaker 9: this such a, difficult task for Teams. And that's why
Speaker 9: spence you see some organizations they're just always spinning their
Speaker 9: wheels and can never get attraction because they don't have
Speaker 9: the patients to be able to put a few pieces
Speaker 9: together and then wait till the next cycle and, put
Speaker 9: another piece together and then wait for the next cycle
Speaker 9: and try and see what they're doing long. Term and
Speaker 9: big picture and. That's That's the situation the jazz, are
Speaker 9: in right.
Speaker 2: Now about two hours away From tip off In indiana
Speaker 2: where The knicks and the pacers are.
Speaker 1: Going to do battle we.
Speaker 2: Have Some breaking news aaron nesmith is available to play
Speaker 2: after spraining his.
Speaker 1: Ankle in game three we'll.
Speaker 2: Catch a quick break we'll talk about that game TONIGHT And,
Speaker 2: we'll talk okc minnesota maybe do a little more Jazz
Speaker 2: Of time allows richard smith live in studio for one
Speaker 2: more segment coming up on the other SIDE right here,
Speaker 2: on espn seven hundred.
Speaker 1: About one hour.
Speaker 2: And fifty minutes away tip off tonight At, Massive game
Speaker 2: in indiana knicks are going to try to lock it
Speaker 2: up at. Two Games a piece the pacers will try
Speaker 2: to take a three to one lead. Over The next
Speaker 2: tonight aaron. Neismith available to play after spraining his, ankle
Speaker 2: in game three he left, for the locker room did
Speaker 2: come back and. Finish Off the game richard smith, Is,
Speaker 2: LIVE in studio smithy i wanted to get one more
Speaker 2: quick JAZZ thing in because i. Haven't Asked you this walker,
Speaker 2: kessler is extension eligible so the. Date is coming up as,
Speaker 2: far as you know The Decision to extend walker kessler
Speaker 2: fourteen point six. MIL free Agent Hole i got bobby
Speaker 2: mark's notes in Front of me. Because, bobby's the man
Speaker 2: yep it feels, like, A no.
Speaker 1: Brainer, RIGHT i mean walker.
Speaker 2: I feel like after, a great rookie year had, a
Speaker 2: dip year two but really played. WELL well year three
Speaker 2: i would imagine this is a formality that They Do.
Speaker 1: Lock, Up, WALKER kessler.
Speaker 9: Well spence i would agree with YOU in terms of
Speaker 9: i think he's a guy who who you can actually
Speaker 9: have as one of your pieces of trying to. Build
Speaker 9: something going forward so that makes sense to, Me on
Speaker 9: the surface but you have to, look behind the scenes
Speaker 9: and you have to look at your whole organization and
Speaker 9: the whole team and as you're trying. To build it
Speaker 9: out and they Don't Have to extend, walker kessler this
Speaker 9: year they can they can go another year on the
Speaker 9: last year what, would be next, year his fourth year
Speaker 9: the last year, of his rookie contract and then he
Speaker 9: would become. A, restricted free agent uh they can give,
Speaker 9: him a qualifying offer and then uh they.
Speaker 8: Can Wait, and.
Speaker 9: See because spence if if you're if you're not holding
Speaker 9: onto a guy who's helping you to get to a mountaintop, That,
Speaker 9: you're right near okay if you're just still trying, to
Speaker 9: build your foundation there are a lot of moving parts
Speaker 9: and pieces that that that could change between. Now and
Speaker 9: next summer he could have. A bad fourth year he
Speaker 9: could heaven forbid blow a knee out. And have something
Speaker 9: happen so there's not An urgency on the. Jazz's part
Speaker 9: to extend sometimes you want to do those things as
Speaker 9: a good faith measure and, to, show the player yeah,
Speaker 9: hey we want you and here we go and and
Speaker 9: so those are the decisions that, you have to make
Speaker 9: and those are the business decisions that you.
Speaker 8: Talk over with your.
Speaker 9: Group and your owner and then you're also you're talking
Speaker 9: with his his agent and and and trying to understand
Speaker 9: what all the ramifications are around uh extending him right away,
Speaker 9: or waiting on, it, or, you know, explaining hey you
Speaker 9: know we want to wait because next year we. Might,
Speaker 9: have more money uh he might play himself.
Speaker 8: Into a. Better deal.
Speaker 9: You know there's a lot of that jockeying around and
Speaker 9: and uh. Negotiating behind the scenes so there's a lot
Speaker 9: Of ways that the, jazz could play it but, just
Speaker 9: for our listeners for them to understand it in general
Speaker 9: business and, and Team building terms the jazz do not have.
Speaker 9: To do anything summer if, they choose not to they
Speaker 9: can ride it, out for another year where then next
Speaker 9: summer they would still. Have the Final say as with
Speaker 9: kessler being, a restricted free agent in terms of whether
Speaker 9: they want. To, bring it back, now that's what happened
Speaker 9: Going Back to, the gordon hayward scenario You. Know and,
Speaker 9: the jazz you know we're playing it out and then
Speaker 9: they offered, him a you know a deal that he
Speaker 9: wanted to, go get another offer which he did and
Speaker 9: he won that one and whatever and all that. That
Speaker 9: kind of, stuff but you KNOW, so in the nba
Speaker 9: as long as you like a guy and as long
Speaker 9: as he's your guy going forward and you think he's
Speaker 9: a good, part of, your future the team no, matter
Speaker 9: what it does always has the control for minimum of
Speaker 9: the first seven years of the player's career because you
Speaker 9: have that restricted free agency tag on them where you
Speaker 9: can always match an offer that someone. Else would give
Speaker 9: him so you're also playing that, game, because you say,
Speaker 9: well if we wait then next year he could. Earn
Speaker 9: some more money but maybe next year, we get him cheaper,
Speaker 9: or maybe, next year you know some team that has
Speaker 9: a whole bunch of money really loves them and they just,
Speaker 9: throw a, you know, a big you know wopping lowry
Speaker 9: market and type deal at, him, and, you go whoa whoa,
Speaker 9: we can't do. That you know whatever so there's a
Speaker 9: lot of a lot of dancing around behind closed doors
Speaker 9: that the team has to figure out is he going
Speaker 9: to be one of their guys that they want.
Speaker 8: To make that kind. Of financial commitment too.
Speaker 2: Let, me ask you this since You brought, up the
Speaker 2: hayward stuff there is a narrative that's been out there
Speaker 2: FOR a while and i don't know that ever.
Speaker 1: Fully BROUGHT into it. BUT i don't know.
Speaker 2: I have no idea my whole Assertion is the way
Speaker 2: gordon handled The Exit and. THE player's tribune article i
Speaker 2: feel like he wanted to sit at the cool kids
Speaker 2: lunch table, in A bigger market and i feel like
Speaker 2: he wanted to go play.
Speaker 1: For his college coach but some.
Speaker 2: People believe as a result of the decision not to
Speaker 2: simply maxim as soon as he was up for it
Speaker 2: and give him what he wanted after the rookie deal
Speaker 2: was able to be extended and tell him to go
Speaker 2: bet on himself was one of.
Speaker 1: The reasons he left do you put? Any, STOCK into that.
Speaker 5: No I.
Speaker 9: Don't know that i understand. WHAT that narrative was i
Speaker 9: think it Was more really knowing GORDON the way. That
Speaker 9: i know him it's just, MY own personal opinion i
Speaker 9: think when he had the opportunity to go play for
Speaker 9: his college coach and had the opportunity to go play
Speaker 9: for a Storied, franchise like the celtics and was going
Speaker 9: into a good situation where they had a chance to win,
Speaker 9: AND all that that i think that was too much of.
Speaker 8: A pull FOR.
Speaker 9: Him i think i do also think that, again my
Speaker 9: own opinion my own gut tells me that he was
Speaker 9: more comfortable playing here in this market because He's More
Speaker 9: Of a salt lake city type guy off the floor
Speaker 9: Than he is a boston type guy. OFF the floor there,
Speaker 9: i mean his personality, he's a quiet guy. He's A
Speaker 9: Family guy salt lake city really fit him to a
Speaker 9: t in terms of what uh he wants to be
Speaker 9: just in. His life IN general and so i was
Speaker 9: a little bit surprised When he went TO BOSTON, only because,
Speaker 9: i i you know coming coming from that that read
Speaker 9: growing up there in that, REGION of the country i
Speaker 9: knew there it wasn't something that that would, really, fit
Speaker 9: his personality uh outside of the basketball stuff and so
Speaker 9: the real life stuff. As WE call it so i
Speaker 9: knew that would be a major adjustment for for for,
Speaker 9: he and his. Family his young, family BUT you know
Speaker 9: but i, think that the poll, again just my opinion
Speaker 9: the Pull To play for brad Stevens and go to
Speaker 9: boston and do that was too much of a. Storybook thing,
Speaker 9: for him and look he. He ended up, leaving At
Speaker 9: that time the jazz had had the financial ability. To pay,
Speaker 9: more money you know he left in the neighborhood of
Speaker 9: forty million dollars on the Table. To go To boston
Speaker 9: that the jazz would have guaranteed him more because they
Speaker 9: could give him that fifth year that. That other teams
Speaker 9: couldn't that's, how, the rules were right and, and he,
Speaker 9: chose to you know leave that on. The table and,
Speaker 9: go and YOU know but again i think it was
Speaker 9: more of an emotional thing for him and on on
Speaker 9: the personal side than it. Was A, business thing all.
Speaker 2: Right a couple, Of minutes left here so let's get
Speaker 2: to the playoffs that are. Going on right now before,
Speaker 2: we get TO Tonight. Let's, talk okc minnesota okay see
Speaker 2: up three to One. And last night, smiddie first, of
Speaker 2: all awesome game, really fun of one. High level shot
Speaker 2: Making my assertion is minnesota beats maybe every team in
Speaker 2: the league last night besides. The, one they played Yeah
Speaker 2: and you know ants taking a. Lot Of heat today
Speaker 2: julius randall for, the second. Straight game just disappeared watched
Speaker 2: the game in the fourth quarter From The bench after
Speaker 2: chris finch decided to go. In a different direction all
Speaker 2: that's finding good And. We Can, talk minnesota this minnesota
Speaker 2: that they hung forty one points in the fourth quarter
Speaker 2: on one of the best. Defenses in pro basketball to
Speaker 2: me last night. Was Who okasee is mark dagnol was,
Speaker 2: asked after the game what'd you learn? About your, team,
Speaker 2: tonight he said? NOTHING who we are i thought last
Speaker 2: NIGHT was More. About okac than? Minnesota, what's YOUR take.
Speaker 9: Yeah Well, I think they yeah i. THINK you're exactly
Speaker 9: right i think It was a great it was, a
Speaker 9: great horse race and it came down to the, wire and,
Speaker 9: one team you, know got you know beat the other team,
Speaker 9: out by a nose. To use that Analogy, and you,
Speaker 9: know minnesota you know they have a, ball bounced their
Speaker 9: way or they have a shot, fall in for them
Speaker 9: or they have a foul call that should have been. Made,
Speaker 9: that wasn't, made whatever you know all those things that
Speaker 9: can happen in the tight game with under, two minutes
Speaker 9: to go a couple of, things go their way and,
Speaker 9: it's Two to two and randall has A bad game
Speaker 9: and ant has, just a pedestrian, game and, everybody goes
Speaker 9: look see you see these, guys are for real because
Speaker 9: look they're two main guys, were just so so and
Speaker 9: they still won the game against the team that. HAD
Speaker 9: the best record i mean that, would, be, the narrowest
Speaker 9: right so so.
Speaker 8: You know it was it. Was a close game it
Speaker 8: was a. Fun game.
Speaker 9: TO watch you know i do think it's Gonna be
Speaker 9: hard for minnesota to to ratchet up now because now
Speaker 9: they're gonna in order to get out of the series
Speaker 9: and and move, On to the finals minnesota's gonna, have
Speaker 9: to be okay see three times.
Speaker 1: In a row and twice and, twice in.
Speaker 8: That building and that that's gonna.
Speaker 9: Be a tough warder but as we've seen, early in
Speaker 9: the playoffs that's why you play them because maybe somebody gets,
Speaker 9: in early foul trouble maybe, somebody has an injury something
Speaker 9: happens to affect the sway of what the momentum. And
Speaker 9: what's going, on you never know somebody comes out of
Speaker 9: the Would work like if minnesota, Pulled, that game out
Speaker 9: spence you'd be talking about how good they, can play
Speaker 9: against okay see how, well rounded they are and that
Speaker 9: you Had A Guy, like nikhil, alexander walker you, know
Speaker 9: HAVE a, game a va Game have a tray, Man
Speaker 9: game right right and so you'd be talking about. That
Speaker 9: kind of thing and so the narrative always changes depending
Speaker 9: on when. You get close games just what, happened and
Speaker 9: you know a bounce of a ball here, and there
Speaker 9: or whatever and the whole tone and what everybody's talking
Speaker 9: about changes from one. Thing to the next and and
Speaker 9: when you lose and, it's a tough game then you're
Speaker 9: looking at your main guys and trying to point, the
Speaker 9: fingers at them which is which is always the lazy way.
Speaker 2: Out in my opinion so in about an hour and,
Speaker 2: a half in change we have Tip Off of. The
Speaker 2: pacers knicks game It, is two on indiana AND since you,
Speaker 2: and I last spoke the knicks pulled a miraculous comeback
Speaker 2: off as they've done this year in the postseason. A
Speaker 2: few different times and when they went down twenty, IN
Speaker 2: the second quarter i almost went. And hit, Golf balls
Speaker 2: i'm Like i'm not doing. I'M not watching this i
Speaker 2: don't think enough was talked about as far as the
Speaker 2: way they closed the second quarter to.
Speaker 1: Get it within thirteen.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound awesome but when you're down twenty and
Speaker 2: all the momentums going the other way and you're able
Speaker 2: to get a, couple of threes here there are a,
Speaker 2: couple stops here there and just end the hap with
Speaker 2: a little bit of confidence so you. KNOW you're not
Speaker 2: dead i felt like. That that Wasn't nothing the knee smith.
Speaker 2: Injury changed the game he's. Available to play tonight we'll see.
Speaker 2: If he can go he did come back in. And
Speaker 2: close The Game but when, nie smith went down it
Speaker 2: kind of changed the way that you Know.
Speaker 1: They were guarding jalen jalen.
Speaker 2: Gets in foul trouble when you were in studio last
Speaker 2: week and when we're on The, GOLF course on friday,
Speaker 2: i Said to you can tom Find Ten? Minutes for
Speaker 2: landry shammitt can he find ten to fifteen minutes for
Speaker 2: precious to you who did not. Get Off The bench
Speaker 2: former delon wright got some ron. Played really good defense
Speaker 2: It's weird to see delon play with, so little confidence
Speaker 2: offensively like he wasn't looking to attack, at all on
Speaker 2: offense but Did guard well and shaman gave him some.
Speaker 2: Good Run as well mitchell robinson, In The starting lineup josh.
Speaker 2: HART to The bench i give josh a lot of
Speaker 2: credit for the way he played coming in off the bench.
Speaker 2: With ten big rebounds he's as good OF a rebounding
Speaker 2: wing i think as there. Is in the league no
Speaker 2: Part Of me believes new york is. Gonna win this
Speaker 2: Series that's. Just where i'm at we'll. See what happens
Speaker 2: tonight pacers are a two. Point five point favorite so
Speaker 2: before we end, our hit this week Your thoughts on
Speaker 2: the knicks come back and what do?
Speaker 1: You, think, HAPPENS tonight.
Speaker 9: Yeah well i think, the first of all for all
Speaker 9: of the, talk all season long, everybody, has the, teams.
Speaker 9: Themselves the media Everybody, You're, Talking in december january february
Speaker 9: about who is in the position to have home court
Speaker 9: advantage in the first, round of the playoffs and everybody's
Speaker 9: always that's that's. Always The talking point the knicks so
Speaker 9: far are three and Five At Home and masison square,
Speaker 9: garden in the playoffs and they're six and.
Speaker 8: One on the road so? What does that mean who.
Speaker 9: Knows what it means other teams get Up To Play,
Speaker 9: at Madison square garden the knicks don't play as fluidly
Speaker 9: maybe or as easy because they got all those the
Speaker 9: expectations and everything on them that they're supposed to win
Speaker 9: When they're at The Garden and the new york fans
Speaker 9: are going to get them across the finish line or whatever.
Speaker 9: Whatever the mantra is and then they go on the,
Speaker 9: road and, they play you. Know, whatever they do now
Speaker 9: they've had several games that they've won in the sixth
Speaker 9: and one road playoff run of theirs where it's been
Speaker 9: a one minute game and it's been, whoever makes this
Speaker 9: shot or, whoever gets this stop or whoever makes a
Speaker 9: defensive play or whatever. It's going To be and the
Speaker 9: knicks had been able to do it several times in
Speaker 9: these playoffs.
Speaker 8: To to to.
Speaker 9: Uh to their credit and, Then the other night towns
Speaker 9: just went went on a, heater and you know he
Speaker 9: had one of. THOSE three point shots i thought he
Speaker 9: was just throwing up to. Hopefully get a foul they,
Speaker 9: didn't call the foul but. He banked it, in, but
Speaker 9: you know okay so. Called, Banks, it in okay okay
Speaker 9: that that's what's going, on, At this moment okay and
Speaker 9: he FELT it And and i think indiana felt.
Speaker 8: It a, little bit but.
Speaker 9: Again the same thing the, ball bounces one way the ball,
Speaker 9: bounces the other way, a shot goes in one of
Speaker 9: his shots doesn't, fall, or Rims out whatever, and indiana
Speaker 9: comes out and all of a sudden they're up, three
Speaker 9: to oh right and everybody's Talking about burying, the knicks
Speaker 9: and everything and, now, the talk Is hey can the
Speaker 9: knicks do it again and and even this series And Get?
Speaker 9: Back to, NEW york, you, know, I say uh gee
Speaker 9: i'm looking at, the Playoffs so far and i'm looking
Speaker 9: at their record on. THE road and home I don't
Speaker 9: know if i Don't know if the knicks want. To
Speaker 9: go back home maybe they they just want to keep,
Speaker 9: SAYING on, the road i mean. The way they're playing,
Speaker 9: but it's. A fun entertaining, series They both are, and
Speaker 9: i'm expecting nothing nothing.
Speaker 8: LESS than that tonight. I think it's uh i think.
Speaker 9: IT'S fun to watch i think both teams, really get after,
Speaker 9: It and both teams spence, to your earlier point have
Speaker 9: done things with their roster where it's, not just you
Speaker 9: know top draft picks that are that. Are pulling the
Speaker 9: wagon it's other guys that they've brought in and pieced
Speaker 9: together to have a full team effect that that that.
Speaker 8: Can help you, win.
Speaker 1: Should be fun smitty great to see you. Enjoy the game.
Speaker 1: Tonight we'll, chat soon. Thanks man Appreciate It.
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Speaker 2: In just a minute one of my favorite bumps leading
Speaker 2: into This segment song called montreal By The Ghost. Of
Speaker 2: paul revere? Porter have you ever have you ever had
Speaker 2: A chance to visit? Montreal in the summertimes that's something
Speaker 2: you've ever had?
Speaker 1: A chance to do? Montreal? In, the summertime oh man one.
Speaker 1: WOULD be so LUCKY i. Don't, Think i have okay
Speaker 1: i've never Even Been, to the montreal well you should
Speaker 1: know that it's.
Speaker 2: On my bucket, list AND you know if i have
Speaker 2: any friends that ever Plan a trip to, MONTREAL in
Speaker 2: the summer i just would.
Speaker 1: Like to be included. I'll go.
Speaker 2: With you thank you let's get, to our next, Guest
Speaker 2: live in Studio, Voice of the Stars, voice of the
Speaker 2: Royals Host of, the roundball roundup podcast and former a
Speaker 2: producer And Founder of THE Drive This Program.
Speaker 1: Jp john paul chunga? How are you pal.
Speaker 7: I'm honored to do this in person because that would
Speaker 7: have been hitting me in a different.
Speaker 1: Way, over the phone indeed it's. GREAT to, SEE you i.
Speaker 1: Mean i don't. Know have you been have you been
Speaker 1: to The fine?
Speaker 8: City?
Speaker 1: Of MONTREAL before.
Speaker 7: No but, i HAVE my passport so i would love to.
Speaker 7: Go at some point. It'd be really fun.
Speaker 1: Do you have any plans to?
Speaker 8: GO at?
Speaker 1: Any time? I? DO you?
Speaker 5: Do.
Speaker 1: Yeah I, Do.
Speaker 7: Yeah over july i'm Gonna. Be going, TO montreal oh
Speaker 7: man i got a lot of Stuff.
Speaker 1: GOING on, in july I Know.
Speaker 7: Big Twelve media days Media, Days is during July, Summer
Speaker 7: leagues during july and do you have a.
Speaker 1: Packed social schedule on top of?
Speaker 7: Everything THAT you do so i know that it's going
Speaker 7: to be very difficult to get you away for a
Speaker 7: trip if it.
Speaker 1: Were to Be in montreal in july. On, the twenty, fifth.
Speaker 2: Yeah hypothetically, speaking only hypothetically, SPEAKING let's be clear i
Speaker 2: probably could not.
Speaker 1: Make.
Speaker 2: It, happen, UNFORTUNATELY yeah yeah, yeah i know that, which
Speaker 2: you already knew. Which you, already knew let's see where?
Speaker 2: Should We Start today john paul lot going on in
Speaker 2: The Land, Of the utah jazz lot Going on with the.
Speaker 1: Royals and the stars what's keeping? You busiest? Right now Right.
Speaker 7: Now it's the royals. And what they're doing had a.
Speaker 7: Game OVER the weekend and i don't know if. You
Speaker 7: watched the broadcast it was just.
Speaker 2: Your boy, on it, solo, style solo style wow, cutting
Speaker 2: budget more huh.
Speaker 7: Two, hours and thirty minutes entertaining people. Who are watching
Speaker 7: television i'm very impressed actively watching, Tele VISION is this
Speaker 7: and i, give you great credit going Live two To,
Speaker 7: six monday through friday, no exceptions except, YESTERDAY well Four Hours.
Speaker 1: I mean memorial day we take it. OFF for the
Speaker 1: troops i mean you can knock on us for. THAT if.
Speaker 1: YOU'D like. I agree i agree you should. Have taken yesterday.
Speaker 1: OFF and you did i know that was such a
Speaker 1: difficult thing. FOR you to do.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to i asked. To do the show
Speaker 2: the key. Card did not Work You.
Speaker 7: Were like colin cowherd you do not, take breaks every day.
Speaker 7: No VACATIONS every day but i did the, broadcast solo
Speaker 7: two HOURS, thirty minutes on kmyu The Home. Of the
Speaker 7: utah royals you can watch those games Next One, up
Speaker 7: against racing louisville but following this team ahead of An
Speaker 7: International break Where ali sentnor the sensation's going to BE
Speaker 7: playing for the us Women's, national team this saturday against
Speaker 7: a Top.
Speaker 1: TWENTY team in china I. Knew it was china give.
Speaker 1: ME a little credit I.
Speaker 7: Knew it, was CHINA congratulations sir and i bet You also,
Speaker 7: knew about mandy McGlenn Who's Also on. The utah royals,
Speaker 7: roster had six saves had, nine the week before including
Speaker 7: the save OF The.
Speaker 1: Week On.
Speaker 7: Buyu zone actually hatch people know her from her starring For.
Speaker 7: THE team down south i know you're not allowed.
Speaker 8: To say.
Speaker 7: That name thank you you remember she made a save
Speaker 7: eleven converted penalties Up until.
Speaker 1: She met mandy McGlenn.
Speaker 7: She's in soaring form, ali's in soaring form and they're
Speaker 7: getting ready for this INTERNATIONAL break for The. Us takes
Speaker 7: on china that consumes me right now and as they
Speaker 7: look to turn the corner on this second year Of Existence.
Speaker 1: As the utah royal so.
Speaker 2: Two AND A half hours tv solo indicates the. Budget
Speaker 2: has been cut who's? To Blame For That, DAVID james djack.
Speaker 7: No dj wasn't available, his SON was graduating which i absolutely.
Speaker 7: Understand empathize with that he had to go and. Attend
Speaker 7: A family, Matter so i. Said i'll do, it. I'll
Speaker 7: do it solo i'll talk to myself for two, and
Speaker 7: A half, hours AND i did and i thought.
Speaker 2: It went pretty well, did you enjoy it. Because some
Speaker 2: people don't some people, think that a heavy.
Speaker 1: Heavy burden to.
Speaker 7: Bear so it wasn't The first time that i've had.
Speaker 7: To do it solo they had me do a couple of,
Speaker 7: games last year solo but. It was ONLY radio but
Speaker 7: for tv you'd just pare it, back a, little bit
Speaker 7: less words. SO it is fine, i really enjoyed it
Speaker 7: and it was an awesome performance by one of the
Speaker 7: best PLAYERS, In All of Nwsl barbara banda with orlando
Speaker 7: and They have the legend marda who's on and is
Speaker 7: Still playing the goat, wow of women's soccer. Thirty nine years.
Speaker 1: Old she's still. Playing at thirty nine.
Speaker 7: She signed a two year extension, to start this year so.
Speaker 1: She's playing. Next year that's twelve she's going to play at.
Speaker 7: The age of FORTY she got the, nwsl championship last
Speaker 7: year the only thing, that she doesn't have and then
Speaker 7: now just trying to.
Speaker 1: Add to the. Legacy at thirty nine She's Going to go.
Speaker 1: Tom brady on.
Speaker 2: Us so we got one two and seven minus eleven goal,
Speaker 2: differential eight goal. Scored nineteen goals allowed what gives why?
Speaker 2: The lack of results ali's obviously awesome.
Speaker 1: Injuries is one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: The reason for that they've lost their captain who's supposed
Speaker 7: to be coming back After, The Break. Against louisville paige
Speaker 7: monahan she hasn't been with the team since, the very
Speaker 7: first game and, Then Their, center back kaylee real also has.
Speaker 7: Been injured as well the top, Earner on The, team
Speaker 7: chloe la, cast their goal scorer was out with an
Speaker 7: acl at the, end of last year so they're expecting
Speaker 7: her later. On in this summer but, without the goal,
Speaker 7: scorer without the captain without, your major center back you've
Speaker 7: just had to dig deep into a, lot of this
Speaker 7: lineup in the. Depth of the squad but ultimately there's still.
Speaker 7: A lot of time there's the second half of the SEASON,
Speaker 7: to go in nwsl and if anything shows from the,
Speaker 7: chaos of the league you get a couple, of good
Speaker 7: results together you can actually string things to where, you're
Speaker 7: in playoff contention just like how they were last year
Speaker 7: where they didn't have this many points at this same.
Speaker 2: Point of, the season that's right they did go on a.
Speaker 2: Crazy rundown the year while, WE'RE in the space i
Speaker 2: know that this. YEAR has been.
Speaker 1: Challenging i know that.
Speaker 2: IT has been trying i would imagine it has tugged
Speaker 2: at your. HEARTSTRINGS a little bit i don't know. What,
Speaker 2: you're talking about well last year we have a fifteen.
Speaker 2: Game on beaten streak we have, records for goals. Scored records,
Speaker 2: for points, it is you know a season that brought
Speaker 2: a lot of people out of hope about not just THE,
Speaker 2: current situation with rsl but what the.
Speaker 1: Future could look like, GOMEZ no, longer here I?
Speaker 2: Believe is it france they sold them To, A team
Speaker 2: in france Chicho Scoring. Goals in san, Jose you know
Speaker 2: what i'm not even Going. To bring up moose I'm
Speaker 2: going to LEAVE moose aside because i know what. That
Speaker 2: does to, you but you know a lot Of, Offensive Firepower.
Speaker 2: GONE anderson, JULIO ando I, mean i call himano but
Speaker 2: you call HIM whatever you want i call may be,
Speaker 2: several pieces moved on very. Few pieces, brought In Our
Speaker 2: guy big willie goles has not looked. The part just yet,
Speaker 2: on a serious note this feels like a. LOST season
Speaker 2: for ourselves i don't see an avenue. Back, Already lost
Speaker 2: season yes i'm ready. TO say lost season i.
Speaker 1: Mean they lost, me AT the beginning.
Speaker 7: So i know that how's it even more of a
Speaker 7: lost season when you've already lost somebody who was with?
Speaker 7: You since day, one lifelong rsel, fan lifelong was there
Speaker 7: is there at, meet, The Team, day Meeting Jason Christ, MEETING,
Speaker 7: Leslie tiger Fitzpatrick, dj countess j knolly all the people
Speaker 7: for them to see, this regression in results. Aggression and
Speaker 7: gold production and the only promise that you Get IS
Speaker 7: That This harriman messi xavier gozo's coming on this team
Speaker 7: that you. Can really, BUILD behind you, KNOW i need goals.
Speaker 7: I need attractive soccer i, need an idea Something As
Speaker 7: our friend, chris camronnie, would say he said is there an?
Speaker 7: Idea on the field and sometimes you just. Don't see
Speaker 7: any Ideas so.
Speaker 2: That's why i'm out All They do is diego Luna
Speaker 2: well and as ali is headed. To the national team
Speaker 2: diego is gonna represent the National Team, in the gold
Speaker 2: cup so they're going to lose him.
Speaker 1: FOR six, SEVEN weeks i honestly i.
Speaker 2: Just.
Speaker 1: Don't SEE it man like i try TO.
Speaker 2: Be optimistic and i want that, team to do well
Speaker 2: but they are so uninspiring.
Speaker 1: And THEY'RE so boring and i, like the gosh kid
Speaker 1: but he.
Speaker 2: Just graduated high school, Sign a grown, up sign, an
Speaker 2: adult you. Know like do something but now we have
Speaker 2: to wait till. The primary transfer window when the marquee
Speaker 2: signing is the? Goalkeeper secondary, transfer. Window, EXCUSE me summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah i know people. WOULD be correcting you, I don't
Speaker 1: want Text, i don't want. Yeah they and such they're,
Speaker 1: still going to.
Speaker 7: Text so It's Okay but when ralpha cabral is Your
Speaker 7: big move and i'm supposed to get psyched about how many,
Speaker 7: SAVES that he's making i don't know if that that.
Speaker 7: Moves the needle here knowing that people Like Our great
Speaker 7: friend nate bench and eight would show up and To
Speaker 7: your attacking soccer pablo would have. This team playing effervescent
Speaker 7: they would be, electric on the field and then you see.
Speaker 7: What they have now not putting the investment with all
Speaker 7: the transfers that, you have going out it should be
Speaker 7: going right back into the team and knowing that there
Speaker 7: is so much that. YOU had last year i just
Speaker 7: feel a. LOT of a lot i feel a lot
Speaker 7: for the fans that are supporting this team because it can.
Speaker 7: Get to great heights you've seen it. Get to great
Speaker 7: heights just? Isn't there right.
Speaker 2: Now do You have confidence despite twitter polls out, there
Speaker 2: who to blame that the ownership transition will lead to economic,
Speaker 2: Investment in additional talent because. Here's the deal, man as
Speaker 2: you know once upon a time you could build a
Speaker 2: good team on a.
Speaker 1: Budget in this league that's how we did it in.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine that allowed that club To Lift
Speaker 2: down My ls Cup over beckham and donovan and the
Speaker 2: team of stars against the, team.
Speaker 1: Is the star right we. Can't DO that anymore like.
Speaker 2: I don't know a grip about any of these players that,
Speaker 2: are brought in elsewhere but you read the releases where
Speaker 2: they're paying four or five million dollars, for a, bit
Speaker 2: winger you know to support the fifteen million. Dollars striker
Speaker 2: they signed so with The Ownership TRANSITION and mike, guy
Speaker 2: rai shout out backward hat, Guy in their. Forties no
Speaker 2: big deal he's got his playfull With, hockey and the jazz.
Speaker 2: So he Steps aside my guy blitz maintains a portion.
Speaker 2: Of the ownership control But now. It's the miller's show
Speaker 2: do you think? They're gonna write checks.
Speaker 7: They have to prove it this upcoming transfer window. And
Speaker 7: the successive ones but looking at the track record with
Speaker 7: what They've, done with the jazz you have to think
Speaker 7: that that if they believe that, there's a winner there they,
Speaker 7: will invest in it because that's what.
Speaker 1: They'd done the past.
Speaker 7: If you give them good reasons to Go into luxury
Speaker 7: tax i'm sure they would have Done. It With the, jazz,
Speaker 7: when dennis asks hey can we start making real Trades
Speaker 7: to Build around donovan and rudy and This Next, iteration
Speaker 7: POST gordon hayward can i get that green Light And?
Speaker 7: Go FOR mike conley Can I? Sign boy on bugdanovic,
Speaker 7: and EVEN before That Could?
Speaker 1: I SIGN niko miritic? Could?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: That yeah you can they gave him the.
Speaker 7: Opportunity to do that so if you really have a
Speaker 7: detailed plan and are ready, TO go for it i
Speaker 7: have No doubt that the millers would be, able to
Speaker 7: do that and you.
Speaker 1: Need to give them a.
Speaker 7: Little bit of time they're Still in the hunter sufice.
Speaker 7: Sending out, your polls it's, OKAY it'll be. Fine i
Speaker 7: get it you're in the front row of the supporters
Speaker 7: section wearing a, tight jersey looks sick.
Speaker 1: But it'll, be okay you know you can choose. Your
Speaker 1: size of jerseys it doesn't have.
Speaker 8: To be.
Speaker 1: That snug all right, we're all, getting.
Speaker 2: Older we are indeed and, one more thing here because
Speaker 2: you do hear this, thing, where It's like well the
Speaker 2: millers didn't go into Luxury, tax for the jazz a.
Speaker 2: Luxury TAX paying team the nba is one hundred and.
Speaker 2: Eighty five million dollars how much money do you have?
Speaker 2: To spend, an mls not that but let's talk about,
Speaker 2: a number for real because you don't have to spend
Speaker 2: one hundred, and eighty five, mil, but, you ten fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty and you know spend seven or?
Speaker 1: Eight on one?
Speaker 2: Guy don't you know be bringing four Million dollar players,
Speaker 2: Like Diego is awful lachlan brook can't get, Off the bench.
Speaker 2: Mark zuke has moments but instead of bringing in three
Speaker 2: or four like eight hundred, thousand million dollar players go
Speaker 2: spend seven eight nine million? Dollars on one dude what
Speaker 2: sort of money are? We really looking at what type
Speaker 2: of money are we looking at to get this team
Speaker 2: back to Consistent Competitive Level in major league soccer.
Speaker 1: Fifteen, to twenty mil.
Speaker 7: Yeah it's around there especially to get. Just, a goal
Speaker 7: scorer yeah. Because they Needed somebody you saw chico, at
Speaker 7: a big burden And, Even He. Needed anderson julio andrescomez
Speaker 7: he he needed things around. Him to be successful but
Speaker 7: you have to find someone at the most, crazy position
Speaker 7: in soccer which is being able to score goals when
Speaker 7: eleven people are trying to stop. You from doing that
Speaker 7: and it's why all those guys go, for such high,
Speaker 7: draft such high capital because it is. A very difficult
Speaker 7: job this isn't two thousand and nine where the guy
Speaker 7: who takes the penalty kick.
Speaker 1: Is now A, Doctor.
Speaker 2: Shout out Robbie Shout, out doctor robbie Russell The Championship. For,
Speaker 2: Salt lake city yes, saunders on his line and you
Speaker 2: Think About, not Only robbie Russell But.
Speaker 7: UCLA's own tony beltran that isn't the same thing.
Speaker 8: That you.
Speaker 7: CAN Do Right now a lionel messi is attacking you,
Speaker 7: ON the other end i don't know how it's gonna
Speaker 7: faire When he's going against UCLA's number. Three in the
Speaker 7: back you have to invest in these teams and they have.
Speaker 7: The Youth, investment thing really well You go OUT to
Speaker 7: harriman as i am. GRINDING often pounding pavement I know,
Speaker 7: that watching royals practice you see that the youth. Setup
Speaker 7: is good there they. Have a great facility people want
Speaker 7: to go and play. There and train there but now
Speaker 7: it needs to match an investment on the.
Speaker 1: First senior team level.
Speaker 2: Pablo on the show last, week broke little news because,
Speaker 2: we're journalists around here hard hitting, at that film shoes
Speaker 2: that he Was told that the millers. Are, actually, no
Speaker 2: longer well no, it's not No longer but the millers
Speaker 2: are not Interested in like Selling diego and developing, gozo
Speaker 2: and moving on like they want to keep.
Speaker 1: THE young players here i thought that was a.
Speaker 2: Piece, of good news now If A club In Bundesliga,
Speaker 2: little inside la lega whatever call and Offer, thirty mil
Speaker 2: for diego you probably take The. Thirty mil for diego,
Speaker 2: but until that Happens if, you're an ursel fan that's
Speaker 2: Good news that maybe diego's here.
Speaker 1: For a few years.
Speaker 7: That's the whole thing if they're willing to invest in
Speaker 7: the player that everybody, is going, to watch and frankly
Speaker 7: every other team is looking to defend and. He still
Speaker 7: produces right which is the Most amazing part about diego
Speaker 7: is that he's a marked man amongst a team that
Speaker 7: doesn't really. Have many marked men that he can. Do
Speaker 7: that is unreal if they're willing, to, invest in that
Speaker 7: dude you have to give this ownership group the benefit
Speaker 7: of doubt that they'll start to figure and piece Things
Speaker 7: together with what Kurt has going in looking, at all
Speaker 7: these players.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like diego is now moon man and?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Longer moon, boy yeah oh yeah.
Speaker 7: He's Been Moon man when marizio pochattino talks, about his
Speaker 7: big manhood that is proof.
Speaker 1: That he's a man he's. No longer a.
Speaker 2: BOY i'm, with you i mean we could get into
Speaker 2: the dark Arts, and then done sethary but we can
Speaker 2: leave that aside real quick before you. GET to, the
Speaker 2: jazz i know you know this ninety Five days. Away
Speaker 2: from utah football my question is When do you start
Speaker 2: we start our countdown at One hundred.
Speaker 1: Days for utah football when? Do You Start yours.
Speaker 7: When phil steele comes, out with that book when it
Speaker 7: arrives at the door, after the PRE order that's when,
Speaker 7: i start my campdown BECAUSE that's that's when. I, Know
Speaker 7: it's real YEAH and that's when i can start, looking
Speaker 7: at two, deeps fall, camp battles quarterback, rooms. Tight end
Speaker 7: ROOMS personnel that's when i start really. Gearing in thirteen
Speaker 7: personnel we're fans of. That on, THE show all right,
Speaker 7: a few minutes Left let's.
Speaker 2: Socco little jazz here so we're just a few weeks
Speaker 2: Away from the, draft june twenty, Fifth and you know,
Speaker 2: i'm watching last, Night and you, know crusoe's six', Five
Speaker 2: dort is six,' five shay is, six' seven uh and obviously.
Speaker 2: Chets But but they're, They're perimeter players. Cason Wallace six'
Speaker 2: four jalen sixty. Six the jazz need Length on the.
Speaker 2: Perimeter and we'll see what taylor can do like obviously
Speaker 2: he was hurt. AND so we don't. Know anything about
Speaker 2: him i still like. Him cody's built had a.
Speaker 1: Rough.
Speaker 2: Year one we'll, SEE what happens Here two. For OUR
Speaker 2: listeners jp is a jazz employee so i. Want to
Speaker 2: put you in a bad, spot but as you look
Speaker 2: at the draft, what do you hope they, come away,
Speaker 2: with whether, they stay at five trade up trade down?
Speaker 1: What do. YOU hope they Come away, with this year.
Speaker 7: I think they for them it's another big swing trying
Speaker 7: to get that guy. Who can help this team as
Speaker 7: Everybody's Young because you look at the way okay, see
Speaker 7: built it a lot, of draft PICKS a lot of
Speaker 7: young players and. The cba is going to crush them
Speaker 7: eventually but still that's the way that they're going about
Speaker 7: building this team. And taking big Swings With their draft picks,
Speaker 7: you look at danny aingel's history. In drafts him being.
Speaker 7: Able to find players he's done it before. He knows
Speaker 7: exactly what gets winning teams together so Of Why You
Speaker 7: don't Blanche When he drafts jason. Jlen, brown and jason
Speaker 7: tatum in successive? Drafts, oh isn't there a little position
Speaker 7: crossover no he realizes that this is a league about.
Speaker 1: Wings and you.
Speaker 7: Need wings as The, Lifeblood of your team so for
Speaker 7: the jazz i'm hoping that they find someone who can
Speaker 7: eventually be an impactful player come the time that they're
Speaker 7: ready to go out and win and pushing the other
Speaker 7: draft capital. Because, THEY can't use every Single draft pick
Speaker 7: sure i think of the nets as a team that
Speaker 7: are they going to? Use four first round draft. Picks
Speaker 7: this year four first round Draft picks, it's Not the
Speaker 7: three that the, jazz had and brooklyn's in a, similar
Speaker 7: situation but four first round draft. Picks how are they
Speaker 7: going to use that You're going to see things move
Speaker 7: with the jazz as they start to keep getting in
Speaker 7: that talent acquisition mode and get to the point where
Speaker 7: they've got.
Speaker 2: Guys who will be a part of this we keep
Speaker 2: hearing a lot About the potential of being. Bold and
Speaker 2: san antonio at two is interesting which. FAVORS the, bold
Speaker 2: the team is the star i mean we're. Dropping All
Speaker 2: of the tip bit You need san antonio two. Is
Speaker 2: interesting in phillya three is also interesting philly's More Win.
Speaker 1: Now Because Of m.
Speaker 2: BEAT and, paul george the paul george stuff i mean
Speaker 2: you hear The Stuff about maybe they'll. Move on From
Speaker 2: paul george and trade, three if the jazz wanted to.
Speaker 2: Do that it would have to, include marketing if you
Speaker 2: look at the numbers. There's NO other way to Make
Speaker 2: It work and i don't Know that paul george, is
Speaker 2: something that the jazz, would look at even If A
Speaker 2: men three five and lowry for. PAUL george and three
Speaker 2: and some other, pieces i don't know maybe there's something there?
Speaker 2: But do you believe that there's the potential like If
Speaker 2: you if, you do your calculation on dylan at two
Speaker 2: do you believe it's worth going all in as much
Speaker 2: as you can. To, Try to move up. And Grab
Speaker 2: him no, dallas isn't moving, One, du mott was like.
Speaker 2: We're keeping one nico, you can't trade It we're, keeping
Speaker 2: you know we're gonna draft cooper flag.
Speaker 1: Which is sad that, an, owner has. To come out
Speaker 1: and say yeah sure don't we're. Gonna, do the. Thing that,
Speaker 1: we should.
Speaker 2: Do yep don't, worry ideas pow don't worry but if,
Speaker 2: two's if two and three are In play would you
Speaker 2: like to see the jazz get bold and kind of
Speaker 2: try to do what they.
Speaker 1: Can to, maybe get a franchise changing piece of, course
Speaker 1: because they need a franchise changing.
Speaker 7: Piece, they need, somebody that, can be it yeah the
Speaker 7: guy the coverman the dude who can get this done
Speaker 7: because that guy currently isn't on the roster. AND you
Speaker 7: Need them at this top level i Know Indiana, is
Speaker 7: a very different case with tyrese halburton but he's very
Speaker 7: very good and they did it. Through shrewd trades to
Speaker 7: GET to that point but you need those. A Level
Speaker 7: guys to have some Serious Winning Jalen, Brunson Invested in
Speaker 7: by the new york, knicks anthony edwards a number one
Speaker 7: overall Pick And Then. The entire cavalcade of the. Oklahoma
Speaker 7: city thunder all of that was investment was finding a
Speaker 7: guy and then, building around him someone. Who is a
Speaker 7: Level top of. The line that's what this jazz Team
Speaker 7: Needs you.
Speaker 2: Find yourself cheering for The tea wolves because of. ALL
Speaker 2: the ex jazz guys.
Speaker 5: On the.
Speaker 1: Right i root for. Good basketball.
Speaker 2: That's, IT that's, ALL you want that's it well i
Speaker 2: mean i know how much. YOU'VE been grinding on tape
Speaker 2: for the draft i just wonder HOW much. SPACE you have,
Speaker 2: Left for actual nba.
Speaker 7: Basketball I watch both i'm Thinking about Both when i,
Speaker 7: WENT to see dylan and ace. IN person, I, know
Speaker 7: you Did gum Shoeing, I Know, okay driving From philly
Speaker 7: to piscataway new. Jersey everybody knows i'm putting in the.
Speaker 7: EFFORT i'm thinking about, THE next level always i know.
Speaker 2: You are i know You are all right we'll call
Speaker 2: it because I've. Taken us to the top of the
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Speaker 2: The Fan It, is the Pacers And the new york
Speaker 2: knicks where the indiana pacers are a two point five
Speaker 2: point favorite to win tonight at home. And take, a
Speaker 2: commanding three to one. Lead all right porter vibe check
Speaker 2: vibe check. TIP off is in, a COUPLE of minutes
Speaker 2: i will say this and i Agree with the Assertion
Speaker 2: That Just having the knicks in the eastern, conference Finals
Speaker 2: has been a lot. Of fun and i've Enjoyed watching
Speaker 2: these games it's the first time i've. LIKE nervous watched
Speaker 2: anything In a long time. I nervous watched, the jazz,
Speaker 2: when they're good i'd like to you know, cheer FOR
Speaker 2: our local. Teams, all The Time but i don't know,
Speaker 2: man de nie smith. Injury is not nothing it, Really
Speaker 2: is not we'll see if he. Starts we'll see how
Speaker 2: many minutes he plays if, you watch the replay of.
Speaker 1: His ankle role it actually wasn't very severe.
Speaker 7: He just.
Speaker 2: KIND of went Over On it we'll see i would
Speaker 2: Imagine Mitchell robinson GETS the start again, for JOSH hart
Speaker 2: If i Ask you this if i took, jalen and
Speaker 2: kat off the table and said who needs to step
Speaker 2: up on offense for the, next outside of their two
Speaker 2: stars the most give, ME a third Guy You're.
Speaker 1: LOOKING for, tonight.
Speaker 3: I think it's michel bridges i agree, yep i don't
Speaker 3: know That it should be but it is mckail bridges
Speaker 3: because of what, he's shown us his his mid range
Speaker 3: game his ability to his ability to Kind Of, keep
Speaker 3: up space against defenders like Pascal siakam. And and, THE
Speaker 3: link that That indiana has YOU know i go with
Speaker 3: bridges just because i, think that when he is on
Speaker 3: the addition, his shooting makes and here's the other. Thing
Speaker 3: he's going to, play forty plus minutes so if he's
Speaker 3: on it's. Going to give, you way way more production then,
Speaker 3: YOU know if McBride Is so for me i look
Speaker 3: at mickael bridges as not Not only does, he need
Speaker 3: to be the knicks. Number three but he's got to
Speaker 3: be aggressive he's got to be hitting that Pull up,
Speaker 3: jay that, he did in the celtics series and man
Speaker 3: if we could get a, few corner threes out of
Speaker 3: Him a game it's It's Huge for the knicks. Spacing
Speaker 3: and for jalen brunston's OPERATION as. Well that's THAT'S kind
Speaker 3: of where i look but ultimately i.
Speaker 1: Think it's to be. A bi committee.
Speaker 2: Approach you still have confidence i taught you. Four hours
Speaker 2: ago when we, started the show As We say good
Speaker 2: night you?
Speaker 1: STILL think new. York. Can get this done i think
Speaker 1: so man there's, we're.
Speaker 3: Getting into the point, of this series right, we're seven
Speaker 3: games in we're several series in and these coaches are
Speaker 3: to a point now where they kind of, know what
Speaker 3: the other guy is gonna try and they're starting. To
Speaker 3: be a little bit of the gamesmanship they're starting to
Speaker 3: be a little bit, Of the back and forth of,
Speaker 3: All right I'm gonna maybe throw this Out I'm gonna
Speaker 3: i'm gonna try something that rick. Carlisle hasn't seen on
Speaker 3: film or vice versa we're starting to see. A little
Speaker 3: bit of that in, this series, that's what it gets
Speaker 3: really interesting really fun and we may learn a lot
Speaker 3: about what, The rest OF the series looks like, tonight
Speaker 3: and Like i said the last time WHOEVER wins, tonight's
Speaker 3: gonna maybe. Probably most likely i Think win, the SERIES.
Speaker 2: Don't let us, win game four as i cantinue, to
Speaker 2: say don't let us. Win, game FOUR go back, to
Speaker 2: the garden although, as i said earlier with these two
Speaker 2: teams home court IS.
Speaker 1: Not nearest paramount as. It is, with okc that's just my.
Speaker 2: Opinion all right let's get out of here time To
Speaker 2: watch some basketball and Some puck Tonight porter what comes our.
Speaker 1: Way, on a wednesday edition of the.
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