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Inside 41 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:02.959 the Story Well. With Kyle Olson, we'll say, if you 42 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:03.519 have seen at the. 43 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:13.520 Table, Hello and welcome to this episode of Superhero Ethics. 44 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:14.479 Friends. 45 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.439 We've established a while ago that one of these superpowers 46 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.759 is being a spy, that we think of that as 47 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.960 kind of super heroic behavior. Well, what if you're a 48 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.560 spy to solve a crime that's like kind of like 49 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.400 double And what if it's all about going undercover? And 50 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:32.319 what if you're an amateur who's never gotten undercover before 51 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.719 but has to because you're the only one who can 52 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.919 do this job. And what if you're Ted Danson doing 53 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.400 it in a show written by the folks who brought 54 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:42.560 us The Good Place, and many other such things. 55 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.319 We're talking today about A Man on the Inside. 56 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.599 It's a short little show on Netflix, eight thirty minute episodes. 57 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.159 If you haven't seen it already, it's really a treasure. 58 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.120 I pretty much adored it. I'd one or two complaints 59 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.599 that'll bring up, but really it does so many great 60 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:01.879 things about take the mystery genre in a new way. 61 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:04.560 But also, I mean, if you had any kind of 62 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.599 hard Thanksgiving or just for whatever reason, you need comfort show, 63 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.599 this is like the ultimate like just it's very much 64 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.400 cozy television, Like it deals with hard issues, but it's 65 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.960 just like everyone is just a fairly good person in 66 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:18.439 the show. 67 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:20.840 And it really. 68 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:22.879 Brought up a lot of great issues about aging, about 69 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.479 relationships between parents and children, about widow and and sort 70 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:29.800 of what happens after your partner passes away and how 71 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.840 you find a new life for yourself, all wrapped up 72 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:37.240 around this mystery that involves an elderly man who needs 73 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.840 something to do being hired by a private investigator to 74 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:47.000 go undercover into a not a nursing home, but a 75 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.319 retirement community. Retirement community, yeah, where it's you know, kind 76 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.400 of a it's what my step grandmother was in, an 77 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.000 aging in place where there are medical facilities for once 78 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.280 you need them, but it can start out just as like, yeah, 79 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.400 you just have an apartment here the cafeteria and people 80 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:03.240 do your laundry, but you predict to live your own life. 81 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.280 And it was just there was so much of the 82 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.479 show did in the short four hours that it had, 83 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:10.800 And Paul brought this to my attention and wanted to 84 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:12.680 talk about it, and I'm here to talk about it too. 85 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:14.639 So Paul, let me just start by what made the 86 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:15.840 show something you want to talk about? 87 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:22.240 Number? One, I enjoyed it, and I think that, you know, 88 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:24.519 goes a long way, and wanting to talk about something 89 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.199 every now and then, maybe we talk about something I 90 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.079 don't enjoy so much or enjoy some of but think 91 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.959 other parts of it are preposterously bad. Yeah, maybe even 92 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:38.480 something we talked about recently. But also one of my 93 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:44.120 like recent pet peeves is just the like abundance of 94 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:50.839 overt agism really that just pervades pretty much all levels 95 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:56.519 of society or whatever, and certainly Hollywood as well. And 96 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.079 one of the things about agism that I think is 97 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:06.639 so interesting is it's not just like anti aged people, right, 98 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.879 like the older you are the worst or whatever. There's 99 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:13.399 also it really goes in all directions where there's ages. 100 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.360 I'm directed at young people, like children and then young 101 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.360 adults and like, you know, generations which I kind of 102 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.279 have to break out the quotes for because like they're 103 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:27.720 they're a thing, but they're also not a thing, like 104 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:32.000 many things, you know, and and the way you know, 105 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:38.240 going at each other, and these stereotypes for like enormous 106 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:42.240 groups of people that are by no means monoliths, and 107 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.160 you know, there's obviously there's some reality to the situation, 108 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.079 you know, to the fact that you know, when when 109 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:53.600 humans are born, like our brains are not that developed, 110 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:58.360 and over time the body and the brain develop and 111 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.560 we we gain information and we'd learned skills, and at 112 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:07.560 a certain point some aspects of those begin to decline. 113 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.759 But like that point is different for different people. And 114 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:17.240 the idea that then that that's like inherently a bad 115 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.040 thing and like it is solely negative, and that that 116 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.920 is like the defining feature of a person. I mean 117 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.279 it seems very ablest, you know, right, yeah, but then 118 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.319 just also just the idea of just thinking you know 119 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.120 so much about a person when you really only know 120 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:39.720 one thing about them. Yeah, right, And and so this 121 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.360 show I felt, I thought was really good in terms 122 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.959 of representation in a broader sense in terms of you 123 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.920 look at the cast and the characters, and it looks 124 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:52.240 like San Francisco. To me, it looks like, you know, 125 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:57.519 northern California. I mean, there's people in Sacramento, there's there's yeah, 126 00:06:58.079 --> 00:06:59.959 the East Bay is involved a little bit, right, But 127 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.079 like a lot of that is sort of to me 128 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.639 in the kind of the kind of subtle way where 129 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:07.839 it's just that's just there and it's not commented on. 130 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.920 But then, you know, because it's a retirement community, you know, 131 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:15.399 age is obviously discussed in a way that like within 132 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.800 the show in a way that doesn't feel like we're 133 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.480 trying to make a point. It felt to me more 134 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.199 like just a show that was like, we want to 135 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:30.920 portray life with real people, the majority of whom happened 136 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.839 to be you know, between seventy and ninety or something 137 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.160 like that, which is just very uncommon in television shows 138 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:40.079 and in movies. 139 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:41.839 It really is. 140 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:43.720 And I think that's true both just for shows that 141 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:45.959 are just about people like you know of this Gus's 142 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.920 Union statist in age, but also in stories about those 143 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:54.480 folks and the generations under them, like the their kids 144 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.319 or their grandkids. And that is certainly a part of 145 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.360 this story. I mean summary, I'm not gonna give away 146 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.680 the murder mystery that I'm not gonna give away the 147 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.839 mystery ending until kind of a spoiler section at the 148 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:08.319 very end. 149 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:10.720 But because some of the most parts the plot doesn't matter. 150 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.879 It's very much about just sort of like the the 151 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:14.720 experiences these people are going through. 152 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.920 Yeah, I would say the plot is non central to 153 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:18.680 the story. 154 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.279 That yes, the plot is an exercise to give us 155 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:24.480 these these story moments and these character. 156 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:25.680 Moments based on a true story. 157 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:27.199 Though, by the way, oh that's awesome. 158 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:32.559 So anyway, there's this guy, Charles, whose wife has very 159 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.919 recently passed away. We eventually learned it from Alzheimer's, and 160 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.320 that the last six months had been really hard, as 161 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:42.759 it often is with Alzheimer's, and he's doing well, like 162 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.200 there's no he seems to be medically in good shape. 163 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.080 His memory is sharp, but he's he's retired and his 164 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.320 wife has passed away and he's not doing anything, and 165 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:53.919 he's kind of clipping out articles and sending them to 166 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.840 his daughter, but not really communicating with her much. She 167 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.720 is married and has three kids, uh entering. They're white, 168 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.360 her husband is Asian, and their kids are are mixed 169 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:05.879 and really kind of a beautiful representation I think of that. Yeah, 170 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.960 like yeah, like you're in San Francisco in tech like that, 171 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.000 they're in Sacramento, Sacramento. Yeah, and it goes completely uncommented on. 172 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.279 That's one of my favorite things that it's just that's 173 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:16.480 just California. 174 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:17.759 That's he's a loving grandpa. 175 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.200 They're loving grandsons, and you know, they're between like I 176 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.360 think eight and fourteen, and they're kind of idiots and. 177 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:29.120 Yeah they're kids, they're teenagers, you know. Yeah, but they're 178 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:29.879 just people too. 179 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.039 Yeah, all the characters feel real and nuanced. I'll get 180 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:38.000 to that second. Let me just finish the summary. So, meanwhile, 181 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.879 a woman has had something stolen from her. Her son 182 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:45.080 is very concerned about this. Her son hires a private 183 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.320 investigator to find out what is this crime happening in 184 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.759 this retirement community and is offering a huge amount of 185 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.919 money to help. So the people the private investigator who 186 00:09:55.919 --> 00:10:00.080 they hire says, let's hire a can i you know, subcontractor. 187 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.679 A man to be our man on the inside. And 188 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:03.679 they do some interviews. 189 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.159 They find Charles is a good choice and they send 190 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:10.679 Charles in and Charles does some interesting stuff to figure 191 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:15.159 out who, you know, why the why these thefts are happening. 192 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:17.120 So it turns out there's multiple of them, and there's 193 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.879 some interesting stuff about being a spy and being you know, 194 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:23.120 mystery solving. This is a mystery show, and we'll talk 195 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:23.559 about that. 196 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.799 To be sure. But along the way, he also has 197 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:26.240 a lot. 198 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.279 Of great sort of connections that he makes with the 199 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.440 other people in the In the nursing home, there's a 200 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.720 number of women who are interested in him and flirt 201 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.240 with him. There's another guy who surceees him as a 202 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:37.759 romantic rival because of. 203 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.639 That sexual rival sex rival many times. 204 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:45.559 There's a friendship that he has with Deti, who is 205 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:49.879 the woman running all of it. Who is Roman of 206 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:50.639 the actress's name. 207 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.720 It's Rosa from Yeah, Rosa from Brooklyn ninety nine. It's 208 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.480 Stephanie Beatrice. 209 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.639 Sephanie Beatri's neck. Yet it's by the same folks who've 210 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:00.759 made Brooklyn nine nine and the Place, and so a 211 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.519 lot of those acts pop up parks and wreck. A 212 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.399 lot of the actors who you've seen in those things 213 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.039 pop up a bunch. I'm not gonna give away who 214 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.840 because it's fun cameos, but it's definitely a cool thing. 215 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:11.919 And so there's some high jinks. 216 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:14.759 His actual daughter finds out and like pretends to be 217 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.720 the niece so that she doesn't get caught. He strikes 218 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:21.799 up a good friendship with a guy who's there, but 219 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.799 eventually he is being the spy. The man on the 220 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:30.159 inside gets revealed. He's asked to leave, and there's tension 221 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.360 and people are upset at him, but everything kind of 222 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.919 works out in the end and he doesn't go back. 223 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:37.799 He doesn't stay in the nursing home, but he maintains 224 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.759 friendships with people there, and he by the end of 225 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.360 it is much more active. He's starting to lecture again. 226 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:47.519 He was a former professor. He's developing friendships and doing things. 227 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.200 He has a much better connection with his daughter and 228 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.559 they're they're connecting more and doing more things. 229 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.279 He's coming to better terms with the loss of his 230 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.159 wife and his feelings about that, and it all just 231 00:11:58.240 --> 00:11:59.200 kind of wraps up in a. 232 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:03.639 Very nicely but not in a like super sacriine like 233 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.440 I said, Like I had a sense of like, oh, 234 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.720 he's gonna decide to move in now, and it's like, no, 235 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.600 he doesn't need. 236 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:10.559 It by any means. 237 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.080 Yeah, he stays friends with some of the folks in there, 238 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:17.000 but he's on his own. He's lecturing, he's working. Some 239 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.120 people who felt like they were good romantic connections get together. 240 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:22.679 Some people you could see them as having good romantic 241 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.320 connections don't, because not everything gets tied up night little bows. 242 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.639 And it's what struck me more than anything was just 243 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.440 that it never painted in broad strokes. 244 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:33.440 You know. 245 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:34.799 This is what I was kind of saying before that, 246 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.879 Like a lot of times, it feels like the show 247 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.039 is going to take one perspective of another, either a 248 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:45.559 it's all about these old folks, and they're ungrateful wretches 249 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.519 of children who are super selfish, who are super mean, 250 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.399 who don't care enough when I'm always kind of wondering, like, so, 251 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:54.200 what did you do to those kids to make them 252 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.279 not want to come visit you all the time? Or 253 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.399 it's all about the kids who are having to kids. 254 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.240 I mean, there are people in there has. 255 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:05.000 The kids of the parents, but they are adults. 256 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.440 They're trying to leave their old lives, but like, you know, 257 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.159 grandma's living in the spare bedroom and she's always driving 258 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.559 you crazy, and like it always feels. 259 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:14.440 Very one sided or the other. 260 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.360 And sort of have this show where it was like, yeah, 261 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:21.360 everyone's struggling, but everyone's doing their best, even like there's 262 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.000 a couple of moments where the parents, the daughter and 263 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.679 the son in law of Charles are struggling with their 264 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:30.720 kids because their kids, you know, all jump on a 265 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.799 trampoline and all break bones within one day of each other. Yeah, 266 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.480 and they're all like, oh my god, are we horrible 267 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.399 parents or are these terrible kids? Because yeah, parents feel 268 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.240 that way sometimes, but they get through it and they 269 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.279 talk about it. And it just felt like it was 270 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:47.240 a really a story about people, none of whom were 271 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:48.559 painted with a broad brush. 272 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.759 Everyone who had characteristics. You know, there's one or two 273 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:53.200 who are. 274 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.000 Kind of like, let's make them the foils of some 275 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:58.480 parts of the stories, in which case they're quite funny. 276 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.759 But even then, like there's some understanding ability. 277 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.039 To who they are and what they're doing. Yeah. 278 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.360 Absolutely, I mean, I think above all else, it just 279 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.240 feels to me like a show about people, and you know, 280 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.919 the people are from a diverse range of ages, and 281 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.440 you know, when you're a parent and you're not sure 282 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.559 what's you know, going on with your kids or like 283 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.360 are you messing things up? Like maybe one of the 284 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:27.120 most helpful people to talk to could potentially be a parent. 285 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:31.080 Might not be for everybody, you know, But I think 286 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.080 in the show we get the sense that they hadn't 287 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.720 really talked in that way before, you know, and then 288 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:41.360 now that they're connecting about something else, you know, he's like, yeah, 289 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:43.960 these things happen, you know, like kids are going to 290 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.679 break bones. Like you know, just because your kid does 291 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:51.360 something stupid doesn't mean they are stupid. It just means 292 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.200 they did something stupid, and it doesn't mean you did 293 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.679 something bad as a parent, Like, yeah, you know, they're people, 294 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.120 they make some bad decisions, to make some good decisions, 295 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:03.039 and and so yeah, just the really the treatment of 296 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:08.399 kind of of all the characters as as people. I 297 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.000 really appreciate it. And you know, this is in a 298 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:14.720 thirty minute comedy dramedy. I don't even know, like I 299 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.120 think it's a comedy, right, but it's not like a 300 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:21.440 laugh outside, laugh out loud constant Hyjenk's kind of comedy. 301 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.679 You know, it takes its time with things. But again 302 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.679 it's you know, it's only up eight episodes long, so 303 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:29.559 it's you know, it's four hours. And you've got to 304 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.720 fit a mystery, You've got to fit personal development. And 305 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.720 you know, you need a certain number of characters if 306 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.600 you're going to have a mystery, right, Like you can't 307 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:43.200 have three characters and you know, one's a victim, one's 308 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.080 investig in, and it's like, well it's probably the third 309 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:49.159 person then yeah, you know. So, but I did appreciate 310 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.879 that Charles's new friend, Calbert, like had a thing going 311 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.320 on himself with his son, you know that like they 312 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.519 had their own thing, and and that there were a 313 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.600 lot of little things like that where you know, the 314 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:04.960 characters had most of them. Not everybody had that much 315 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.519 of a story, right, but they they got to have 316 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:13.559 their part of the story as well, even while you 317 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.240 know you have the needs of the plot and to 318 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.600 move the mystery forward and everything. 319 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:22.799 I think Colbert's story was one of my favorites, particularly 320 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:25.519 because it was the one I felt like it would 321 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:27.960 have been so easy for them to again paint with 322 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.919 that broadbrush, because his story is that he has a 323 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.960 son who's incredibly successful in the tech world. He's black, 324 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.840 though again that's never brought up. It's just kind of 325 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:40.840 one more part of filling out the diverse world that 326 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.759 he's all living. They're from Baltimore, and his son got 327 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.240 a job in the Bay Area, and so had kind 328 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.440 of suggested, but maybe pretty firmly suggested, without really talking 329 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.799 to his dad about it, that the father kind of 330 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.759 moveo move across the country to this retirement community so 331 00:16:57.879 --> 00:16:58.960 this son could be near him. 332 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:00.879 And now the son. 333 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:04.400 Has gotten off for a job in Singapore and wants 334 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:06.240 to move to Singapore, and also is kind of in 335 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:08.119 the same way like, well, come on, dad, you'll I 336 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:08.680 can find. 337 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:10.079 A retirement community for here in Singapore. 338 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:14.759 And again this could have so easily been a story 339 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.240 about a dad who just doesn't want his son to 340 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.440 succeed or doesn't want his son to outgrow him and 341 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.319 wants his son to always stay close to him, or 342 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.079 it could have been about a son who is just 343 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.839 a terrible son and just feels like his father's a 344 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.240 burden and will take his father wherever he is because 345 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.480 he cares more about his own need to be near 346 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.519 his father than his father's actual needs. And it's not 347 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.319 like both of them resent each other a little bit 348 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.480 because they haven't been communicating very well, and they kind 349 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.680 of have a breakthrough and Charles helps him, Like you know, 350 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:48.480 Charles's that kind of character who helps most of the 351 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.480 others have the breakthrough they need to fix their own stuff. 352 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.519 And I think it's like they have the conversation and 353 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.599 the father kind of makes it clearer, like he has 354 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.359 found a life for himself in San Francisco and he's 355 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:01.799 not gonna hate his son or be mad at his 356 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.400 son his career takes him. He's very proud of his son. 357 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:08.079 His son does decide to not take that kind of 358 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.480 new position and stay in a good job in the 359 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:12.839 San Francisco Bay area, and the father's clearly quite happy 360 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:13.240 about that. 361 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:14.480 But it never. 362 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.680 Feels again like the son has to learn to not 363 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:18.960 be terrible or the father has to learn that not terrible. 364 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.480 It's just two people in a tough situation and they 365 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:22.039 figure it out. 366 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.359 Yeah, exactly. They have to learn to understand each other, 367 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.559 to figure out what they want, and then just to 368 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.240 make their own decisions, you know, like they both had 369 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.720 agency in those decisions, right, And I thought that's that's 370 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:41.680 kind of what was important there in terms of their relationship, 371 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:46.839 was that you know that Calvert was like, no, I'm 372 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.359 I'm not going to move to Singapore, you know, like 373 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:51.319 I already moved across the country. I'm not going to 374 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.759 move across the world. Personally, I might be like, yeah, 375 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:56.880 that sounds fun. Check out singing. But also he just 376 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:59.960 made a new friend, you know, and and he you know, 377 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:01.559 he seemed to be getting along well. 378 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:03.839 So you know. 379 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:08.680 The fact that his son decided to stay is nice 380 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.559 and I think makes the story feel a little warmer. 381 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.559 But if he decided to move like that wouldn't necessarily 382 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:20.000 been bad or horrible thing. It's like, you know, his 383 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.640 dad's well taken care of. He can still visit, like 384 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:27.519 you know, just because you're both in San Francisco doesn't 385 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:28.519 mean you see each other. 386 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:28.920 All the time. 387 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.319 Yeah, you know, that's but you know, they can they 388 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.680 can go to some Giants games, maybe when the O's 389 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.920 are in town, try and figure out which orange and 390 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:43.519 black uniforms are which the All Halloween baseball game. 391 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.319 Yeah, And it feels like that's done. 392 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.799 And I feel like that's done not only for the characters, 393 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:54.680 but also for the very idea of the retirement community. 394 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:58.039 And I've talked about this a little bit in regard 395 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:00.440 to mental health, and I feel like the same thing here, 396 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.799 which is that in both cases, there is a long 397 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.839 history of both mental health facilities and elder care facilities 398 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:14.440 being places of extreme neglect, and they're being a real 399 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.319 sense of kind of warehousing the people in society who 400 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:19.319 we don't like and don't want to see and we 401 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.640