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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes anger gets the best of us. We rant to friends,

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<v Speaker 1>curse people's names, sometimes scream or cry, but eventually we

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to manage that anger. There are some people, though,

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<v Speaker 1>some who find themselves so overwhelmed that they begin to

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<v Speaker 1>get violent instead. Today we discuss an OnlyFans model, someone

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<v Speaker 1>who struggled to control their anger, and when things went

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<v Speaker 1>too far, it cost her boyfriend his life. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Abigail White.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram,

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<v Speaker 2>a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener discretion Easy lies.

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<v Speaker 2>I hit play, you mean record record, and you're just

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<v Speaker 2>staring at me like I did something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you hit record without me being ready, so I

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<v Speaker 1>assumed you had a way to start the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>You seem like you said you were ready.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, go, okay, well here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of judging about how you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>ball hockey, I decided to just hit record.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I played ball hockey yesterday and I'm super sore today,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was fun and I do feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>got hit by a train though.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, because generally people like build up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're stamina and stuff, and you are either just

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<v Speaker 2>like you're just like when you go mountain biking or

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<v Speaker 2>you do this. It's just like you'll get extra size

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<v Speaker 2>for like two hours when you haven't done anything really

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<v Speaker 2>a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, wait to call me out. I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's just scary. Also, you're getting older, you probably

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<v Speaker 2>having a heart attack and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly why I'm trying to exercise. Okay, Okay, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>out for my health in many ways. In this way too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's great that you went and played.

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<v Speaker 1>Me too, but I'm regretting it in some ways because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. Yeah, but hopefully you guys caught last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a bit of an issue with the server

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<v Speaker 1>on our hosting platform. There was a bug that got

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<v Speaker 1>into like our account and we couldn't even log in

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<v Speaker 1>to upload the episode. It is live now though.

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<v Speaker 2>Came out Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday, right, Yeah, it was. It was over twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours that it took for the bug to get worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is unfortunate that that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still actually technically not worked out because we got

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<v Speaker 1>our access, but now they're still trying to figure out right.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to give us another log in in the

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<v Speaker 1>meantime to use, but it's it's all messed up. We're

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<v Speaker 1>getting it fixed. The episode is up and this one's

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<v Speaker 1>getting up too. And we said in the last one,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Canada Day and July fourth, so happy everything to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone out there in North America. Hopefully all still have

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<v Speaker 1>your digits. Fireworks, you know, accidents and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get it, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are We're wanting to just drop this again

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<v Speaker 1>just to give you guys a heads up. Remember, we

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<v Speaker 1>are having our two hundredth episode over at Trench Brewing

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<v Speaker 1>if you are local to us. I'm actually drinking Trends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it's my favorite beer ever, So I will be

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<v Speaker 1>drinking this on our two hundredth episode for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like so excited but also so nervous for that.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be fun, It's going to be good.

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<v Speaker 1>You can check out our social media is where you

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<v Speaker 1>can find yourself some tickets and if you can't join

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<v Speaker 1>in person, we will be streaming over a Patreon And

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<v Speaker 1>we also have to do another recording of an episode

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<v Speaker 1>here because Nicole is leaving for a week. So next

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday's episode will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be pre recorded, pre recorded here. That's organized day, except I.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't researched it yet, so that's my tomorrow is research

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<v Speaker 1>it and record it. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I have like so much editing to do as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We're both a little bit overworked at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You could say life is overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's gonna be hot as hell while I'm down

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<v Speaker 2>in the Okanaugans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it looks like the weather is gonna be so

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<v Speaker 1>nice as every week, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna melt in the best of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just gonna have the AC cranked in this

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<v Speaker 1>tiny home here while you're gone. Me and the Huskies

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<v Speaker 1>are just gonna be living like our igloo life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll mostly be at a lake, but they'll be one

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<v Speaker 2>Like I am doing a photoshoot that I'm a bit

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<v Speaker 2>worried about because it's gonna be like thirty seven degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll survive.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I might not.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll survive. Anyways, we digress, let's get back, or let's

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<v Speaker 1>get onto this case today. So we have the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Abi Gail White. This one, when I came across

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly intrigued me. Yeah, let's just dive right in,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a wild one, Oh it is, It certainly is.

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<v Speaker 1>And for this one we are heading back to the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>so United Kingdom, and more specifically the city of Bristol,

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<v Speaker 1>which is located in the southwest of England. Now. Bristol

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<v Speaker 1>is renowned for its rich maritime history. The city an

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<v Speaker 1>eclectic mix of architecture, from the historic Clifton Suspension Bridge

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<v Speaker 1>to the modern Harborside area which features some museums, galleries

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<v Speaker 1>and restaurants. At least that's what Google tells me. Never

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<v Speaker 1>been myself, but it sounds fantastic. Bristol is also home

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<v Speaker 1>to a thriving street art community, which famously includes the

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<v Speaker 1>work of the elusive street art artist Banksy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>That shirt that you had a little girl in the balloon, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was bank SE's that's cool. So yeah. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding area offers very beautiful countryside and picturesque village. But

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<v Speaker 1>the history of Bristol is not what we're here to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today. Today's story starts with a young man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Bradley Lewis. Now. Bradley was born

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<v Speaker 1>in March of two thousand into a loving family and

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Bristol. Of course, you know, did you

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<v Speaker 1>see that coming?

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<v Speaker 1>Good for you. You're you're catching on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was kind of listening to that part.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job. And he grew up with his father and

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<v Speaker 1>Steve and his mother Rachel, who were very generous folks

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<v Speaker 1>and prioritized family, family above like everything else in life.

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<v Speaker 1>So the very family oriented parents, which is that phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Like many kids in England, Bradley was very passionate

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<v Speaker 1>about football or soccer as it's known here in North America,

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<v Speaker 1>school at Saint Stephen's Junior School. Now, after some years

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<v Speaker 1>graduated and ready to take on the real world. Bradley

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<v Speaker 1>went out to take on an apprenticeship as a floor

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<v Speaker 1>layer in his teenage years, you know, getting that work.

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<v Speaker 2>Experience, making some moula.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. So, he was a young man with a fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>personality who is loved by his family and had large

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of friends that reflected this fact as well. He

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<v Speaker 1>was exactly the kind of person anyone would hope that

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<v Speaker 1>their young son would grow up and become. At the

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<v Speaker 1>age of fourteen, Bradley managed to catch the eye of

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<v Speaker 1>a girl, a girl who is one year his senior.

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<v Speaker 1>This girl name was Abigail, Abigail White. Now. Abigail quickly

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<v Speaker 1>developed a crush on Bradley, and two years later the

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<v Speaker 1>teens officially began to date. So it took a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit a while for their lives to intermingle, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of like flirting back and forth. I see you,

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<v Speaker 1>you see me, all that sort of good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, still pretty young too when they met.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely is. But eventually those fireworks, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of developed into it more. And now they're dating veron item, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, as here describing him like, Okay, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>there's two ways for a podcast to start. It's either

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<v Speaker 2>describing someone who has a terrible upbringing and is about

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<v Speaker 2>to do terrible things, or describing someone who has an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing upbring bringing, is an amazing person and is about

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<v Speaker 2>to get fucked. Like it just seems like there's one

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<v Speaker 2>or the other. And I just kind of had this

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<v Speaker 2>realization here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it, yeah, you're not wrong, which takes

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<v Speaker 1>me directly to Abigail's life growing up. How it was

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<v Speaker 1>quite different from Bradley's.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, all right, okay, now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we are laughing right now, but but her

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<v Speaker 1>upbringing was no laughing with her. It was no joke.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was only two years old, for example, her

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<v Speaker 1>father began to violently beat her mother, and she grew

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<v Speaker 1>up surrounded by abuse consistently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. See that it's terrible. It is, really is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so heart wrenching to know that this is it's

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<v Speaker 1>normal for so many people out there. It sucks, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's unfortunately the world that we live in that people

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<v Speaker 1>are object to that on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I mean, like her dad could who knows

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<v Speaker 2>what he went through, like it just comes, oh exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>gets passed down for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It is that domino effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Terrible. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, by the time she was four, her parents had

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<v Speaker 1>split up and her stepfather, her new stepfather, who filled

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<v Speaker 1>in the fatherly role in the home, started to physically

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<v Speaker 1>abuse Abigail as well. So not only was she subject

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<v Speaker 1>to witnessing it or hearing it, or just being in

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<v Speaker 1>the vicinity of it, she was also subject to being

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<v Speaker 2>Dang, and sorry this was by her stepdad, not her dad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure if the abuse came from her

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<v Speaker 1>dad as well. As far as I know, he did

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<v Speaker 1>not beat a two year old, thankfully, but the stepdad

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<v Speaker 1>when he did come in when she was about four

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<v Speaker 1>years old, yes, he did abuse her.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that so much better? For is still like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a baby?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know for sure, it's not better. You're

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I'm not too sure the details. But Abigail

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<v Speaker 1>also went on to talk about some other abuse that

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<v Speaker 1>she endured when she was younger. She apparently went to

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<v Speaker 1>some school counselors and stuff, and unfortunately there wasn't much

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<v Speaker 1>done about it. But there was some sexual abuse, some

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<v Speaker 1>physical abuse, and it just was not good for her

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<v Speaker 1>growing up at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As a result, though, Abigail was eventually taken into

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<v Speaker 1>foster care and later she lived with her in the

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<v Speaker 1>safety of her grandparents. So I mean it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>foster care is a step better. Not that foster care

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<v Speaker 1>is always great, but it's a step better for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And then eventually she did get with her grandparents, which

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<v Speaker 1>was much better.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, now.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the safer environment that she was now in, her

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<v Speaker 1>behavior at school kept her from making many friends or

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<v Speaker 1>from doing very well as far as further reco education.

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<v Speaker 1>By the age of thirteen, Abigail was prescribed antidepressants as

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<v Speaker 1>adult years, Abigail's life never really seemed to normalize. She

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<v Speaker 1>never thought or sought or obtained a regular real job,

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<v Speaker 1>as we kind of put it, you know, getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the real world, right, that adulthood sort of thing. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>what she did do was she became kind of self employed,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like what we're doing with this podcast sort

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<v Speaker 1>of situation. She was a creator, okay, except definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>different genre of creative creating than we do. She was

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<v Speaker 1>on the very lucrative platform known as OnlyFans.

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<v Speaker 2>That people know of that we do just kidding. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I was just a joke. Wow. Those would be

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<v Speaker 1>some wicked and grim photos. I don't know if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>would pay to see that. They'd probably pay us to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>In our tiny homememe. It might be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that anyways. That aside, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if anyone out there is not familiar with OnlyFans

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<v Speaker 1>in the platform, but in case you're not, Only Fans

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<v Speaker 1>is a subscription based platform service that allows creators to

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<v Speaker 1>share arious types of content with their paying and subscribing fans.

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<v Speaker 1>So just like you go onto YouTube and you subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>to a channel, for example, you can do the very

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, except you pay for the subscription.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, would it be kind of similar to like Patreon?

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<v Speaker 1>It's exactly the same as Patreon, except OnlyFans is specifically known.

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<v Speaker 2>Like X rated kind of thing, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For their more pornographic content and sex workers on the platform. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the same type of content that Abigail was producing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>her user name on the platform was quote Fake Barbie Girl,

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<v Speaker 1>and Abigail went by the online online alias as Mitzi Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mitzi Lewis was this model with the account name

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<v Speaker 1>Fake Barbie Girl. Now regardless of her user name or

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<v Speaker 1>her alias, Abigail began posting on OnlyFans, and initially it

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<v Speaker 1>was quite lucrative for her. She was doing pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>and she made over fifty pounds in her first year,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a quick I went to about sixty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>It's not bad eggs, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's pretty good. Good for her. However, this success

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<v Speaker 1>was short lived. Only fans has become an insanely competitive

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa Okay, I had no idea. Yeah, ohly shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to stand out and stay competitive and stay

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so wow yeah, So when she started, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>near like that popular kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, not quite. And then over the years it

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<v Speaker 1>it is today, right so wow yeah. Anyways, her first

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<v Speaker 1>year was successful, but with each year past, her relevancy

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<v Speaker 1>on the platform waned and she lost around seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of her audience and revenue, dropping to about twelve

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<v Speaker 1>thousand pounds annually, So seventy five percent decrease and an

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<v Speaker 1>annual income is a lot. This wasn't enough to support

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<v Speaker 1>her financially. But Abigail was lucky enough to have met

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<v Speaker 1>and began dating Bradley, who is now very hard working

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<v Speaker 1>on individual as a floor layer, right, and he helped

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<v Speaker 1>support her with his income, which was very crucial because

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<v Speaker 1>this time they now had four young children together to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of.

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<v Speaker 2>They did, they did their own children. Yes, soul is shit, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Times going on? Yes, So they started dating when Bradley

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<v Speaker 1>was sixteen and she was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Okay, wow, I don't know why. That just

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<v Speaker 2>like blew me away.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we're going over the years here and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be taken six years later here where they

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<v Speaker 1>now have four kids.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of kids.

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<v Speaker 1>However, only three of which were Bradley's kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh was he aware of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he was aware of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, despite having their own family now, things are

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<v Speaker 1>not very stable at home. Abigail was known to dabble

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<v Speaker 1>in coke or cocaine, you know, the white snow, the powder,

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<v Speaker 1>the nose fuel. I don't know, there's so many names

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Anyways, and although she claimed to not be

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol dependent, she would often take things too far, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting far too drunken a little bit, far too frequently,

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<v Speaker 1>and their relationship, to say the least, was not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the best. According to Abigail, they were in a very

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<v Speaker 1>tough and controlling relationship. She also claimed that Bradley was

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<v Speaker 1>very manipulative and unfaithful. On the other hand, though, she

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<v Speaker 1>also admitted to sleeping with multiple other individuals while with Bradley,

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<v Speaker 1>which is exactly how they have four kids, but one

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<v Speaker 1>of them isn't his. It was obvious for anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>examined their relationship, even for a moment, things were quite toxic.

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<v Speaker 1>Many friends even warned Bradley that Abigail was an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>and complete psycho. His mom agreed, and she knew her

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<v Speaker 1>so was not being treated right in their relationship and

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<v Speaker 1>thought that he deserved much better. Concerns grew, and they

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<v Speaker 1>grew so strong that social services actually intervened, demanding that

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<v Speaker 1>Abigail no longer be allowed to live with Bradley, but

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<v Speaker 1>it unfortunately didn't stop them from living together. See, although

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley moved out to live with his mother, Abigail didn't

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<v Speaker 1>trust him at all. When he was away for a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't stand it, so she developed an extremely controlling

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<v Speaker 1>personality and consistently coursed Bradley into coming over and sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>with her most nights. If someone wants to find Abigail's

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<v Speaker 1>true colors, though it didn't take very much looking to

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<v Speaker 1>really find it. Despite most of her social media accounts

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<v Speaker 1>now being deleted and can't really find it online. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you really do look up her name, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>find a whole lot about her. It's really difficult. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just the typical headlines of the aftermath of this case,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like eight to ten paragraphs, all saying the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, all having the same photos. So it takes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of digging text you really find the information

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<v Speaker 1>on this case, which was the hardest part of part

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<v Speaker 1>of the research. But yeah, she had multiple social media accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>all which are inactive. In one of her TikTok videos, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Abigail played the notification sound for the dating site Tinder

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<v Speaker 1>to see if she can get a reaction from Bradley.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's recording herself sitting by Bradley and plays the

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<v Speaker 1>Tinder dating site. I don't know what that sounds like. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been together from before tender exists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so you know, thinking, you know, your significant

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<v Speaker 1>other might be upset over this dating platform thing notification. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course he's going to be upset, and she knew

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<v Speaker 1>that going into recording this video, So that's what she

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to get a reaction from him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's I mean, I kind of like some of

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<v Speaker 2>the reactions videos, but maybe not to that extent.

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<v Speaker 1>When you really think about it, it's like that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>not cool. Yeah, So now he consistently sorry. She consistently

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<v Speaker 1>consistently abused her social media in ridiculous ways. She would

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<v Speaker 1>be a little Bradly for example, on multiple videos and

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<v Speaker 1>posts and everything. And have you ever seen those videos

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<v Speaker 1>where people are like they're arguing like in a public

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<v Speaker 1>space or something like that, and they're like they threaten

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<v Speaker 1>you with like I'm going to post this to Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>and I got like so many people like my Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>have like so many followers, We'll get you canceled, like

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<v Speaker 1>all this sort of stuff. She would do that constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>She would try to like use her social media, following

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<v Speaker 1>her platform to be like I'm going to post this

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<v Speaker 1>and just bullying people trying to get her. Really, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed to be a consistent thing she would do.

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<v Speaker 2>So, not necessarily just to Bradley, to other individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh yeah, now friends and family, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>they like you guys need to take some time apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Things are not good and a lot of Bradley's friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family members. They're saying, like Abigail, she's spiraling, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to get the funk away from her. And Bradley, however,

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<v Speaker 1>remains basically just trapped in this toxic cycle, unable to

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<v Speaker 1>really break free. To put into perspective though, just how

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<v Speaker 1>toxic this relationship was and just how controlling Abigail was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to play an audio recording from you from

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<v Speaker 1>Abigail that was sent to a friend. So she's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Bradley and the relationship and this sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I have no limit when I get angry, and

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<v Speaker 3>like obviously he said that I need help with that

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<v Speaker 3>because people are generally saying to me, one of you

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<v Speaker 3>are going to end up dead. And I fully believe

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm quite capable of killing him if he hurts

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<v Speaker 3>me again, and or I'm gonna end up being in person. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe a word that comes out of that

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<v Speaker 3>boy's mouth. I have to beat the living daylouds or

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<v Speaker 3>out of him for him to tell me the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>And he still don't tell me the truth, only tells

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<v Speaker 3>me the truth when he thinks I'm going to kill him,

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<v Speaker 3>Like when I get a knife out, like when I

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<v Speaker 3>stop him, like I just I just don't get this kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Geez.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if you didn't hear that, she's talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how she can't believe this this kid, this boy whatever

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<v Speaker 1>she's referring to him as. And she's like, he only

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<v Speaker 1>tells me the truth when I fucking beat it out

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<v Speaker 1>of him, and even then he won't tell me the

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<v Speaker 1>truth unless he thinks I'm going to kill him, like

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<v Speaker 1>when I bring a knife out and stab.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, like, and she just seemed like she was so

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<v Speaker 2>calm though, like it was just a normal conversation like

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<v Speaker 2>where are we going to go for dinner kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't know the worst part of it all If

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<v Speaker 1>you listen closely to that audio, you can hear her

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<v Speaker 1>kids in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>No shit, yes see seriously, yes, oh my gosh, okay

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<v Speaker 2>that is you know. I did hear something, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just never it didn't like click what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I don't want to say it's like a kid crying,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like a kid like whining or complaining. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the kid's like I don't know, like wants their toy

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<v Speaker 1>in reaching for it. Like you can hear a child

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<v Speaker 1>making some noises. Yeah, and it's it's very obvious, especially

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<v Speaker 1>after listening to that, that there were some serious issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only if there were some serious issues, but

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<v Speaker 1>something was bound to happen. So on March twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, after everything that occurred in their approximately

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<v Speaker 1>six year long relationship, the violence reached a brutal climax

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<v Speaker 1>at eight pm on March twenty fifth. Now, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the police reports, it was more specifically around eight ten

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<v Speaker 1>pm when a very loud scream erupted from Abigail's home.

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<v Speaker 1>The neighbor, Miss Kundi, came rushing over and found Abigail shouting, quote, help,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't get through. Can someone call the emergency services?

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<v Speaker 1>He's not breathing And she was also met with a

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<v Speaker 1>very bloody scene. Bradley was lying on his back in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen, blood covered the hallway and living room with

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<v Speaker 1>a blood stained knife on the radiator.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, she can't get through to like emergency?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, miss Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, could you imagine running into a scene like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, oh, I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's terrifying.

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00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh so, Miss Condy called nine nine nine, or our

424
00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:42.359
<v Speaker 1>equivalent of nine one one immediately, and when paramedics arrived,

425
00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:46.039
<v Speaker 1>they rushed in to begin treating Bradley. Police began containing

426
00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.119
<v Speaker 1>the scene and found blood all over the place, including

427
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:51.799
<v Speaker 1>on a T shirt, a mop, and several other items

428
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>of clothing. Abigail was acting terrified. She claimed that Bradley

429
00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:58.839
<v Speaker 1>had stabbed himself in the chest after they had a

430
00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:03.319
<v Speaker 1>heated argument. You just looked at me, funny.

431
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was like, you don't say that doesn't okay?

432
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Is that for real?

433
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Well? It was the story. Authorities weren't buying okay, are

434
00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you buying it? No?

435
00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:16.079
<v Speaker 2>But then I was like your question that I wasn't

436
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:18.359
<v Speaker 2>buying it, So I'm like, am I supposed to buy this?

437
00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, you just looked at me like so, like wide

438
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:21.039
<v Speaker 1>eye and inteen.

439
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:21.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

440
00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm trying to make sure, Okay, I'm trying not

441
00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.799
<v Speaker 2>to give myself a wrinkle. I'm really trying hard right now.

442
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, Well, anyways, let me back up just one seconds.

443
00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>We can keep on track here. She was acting terrified

444
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and claimed Bradley had stabbed himself in the chest and

445
00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:38.599
<v Speaker 1>the authorities were not buying it. So Bradley was rushed

446
00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:40.759
<v Speaker 1>to the hospital, but there wasn't much that could be done.

447
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:44.319
<v Speaker 1>They tried to do surgery, but to no avail. He

448
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.559
<v Speaker 1>clung to life for several hours before finally being pronounced

449
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.960
<v Speaker 1>dead at one thirty am.

450
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:52.920
<v Speaker 2>So was that bad, hey, and he lost that much blood?

451
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I imagine, Well, when you understand his injury, you'll understand why. Okay,

452
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Bradley died from a single stab wound that penetrated his

453
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.319
<v Speaker 1>thoracic cavity by slicing through the gap between the ribs,

454
00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>piercing his heart. Oh frig a single stab wound to

455
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the heart.

456
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

457
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.319
<v Speaker 1>So the news of Bradley's death came to his family

458
00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 1>by the police knocking at the front door and informing

459
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.839
<v Speaker 1>what happened. Several friends also came forward right after, and

460
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.519
<v Speaker 1>they said that shortly before Bradley had died, Bradley had

461
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.480
<v Speaker 1>admitted to having an affair. This, of course upset Abigail,

462
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:35.519
<v Speaker 1>and this was enough for the officers to have a

463
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:39.599
<v Speaker 1>motive and they made the arrest on Abigail White.

464
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Okay, having an affair is tayar is terrible,

465
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.799
<v Speaker 2>But like it doesn't seem like they were in a

466
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:48.759
<v Speaker 2>whatsoever healthy relationship?

467
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.359
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean they were both by the sounds of

468
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.240
<v Speaker 1>it having affairs on each other, it seemed like that

469
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.839
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like the normal that. It doesn't make

470
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 1>it right, don't get me wrong.

471
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean they needed to break up, not one of

472
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 2>them murder the other.

473
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:06.400
<v Speaker 1>One, Yeah, for sure. So during questioning, Abigail claimed that

474
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Bradley was threatening to harm himself, so she grabbed the

475
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>knife from him to throw it outside. She ran down

476
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the hallway with a knife in her hand, but Bradley

477
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>caught up to her, grabbed her wrists, and plunged the

478
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.319
<v Speaker 1>knife into his own chest.

479
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that doesn't make any sense.

480
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, bullshit.

481
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine like plunging the knife into your chest

482
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:28.480
<v Speaker 2>like that?

483
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, not even that he's she is saying she has

484
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>the knife. Yeah, he took her hand and stabbed him.

485
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.400
<v Speaker 2>And running after her to get this.

486
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Bullshit bullish shit. Yeah, what actually happens takes us back

487
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to the afternoon of that day, the reality of the situation,

488
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, outside of their their year's worth of toxicity

489
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.799
<v Speaker 1>and all that sort of stuff, and Abigail allegedly stabbing

490
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Bradley in the arm another one time week prior to

491
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 1>so let me and that's outside of all that stuff. Yeah,

492
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 1>apparently that happened.

493
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Getting stabbed and then still staying Hey, yeah, that so tough.

494
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, gosh, I mean, there's so much more to

495
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:12.720
<v Speaker 2>it than that, but gosh, that's really.

496
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. So yeah, back to this afternoon,

497
00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Bradley realized he no longer wanted to be in a

498
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.240
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Abigail and he wanted to end things. He knew, though,

499
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>she was not going to take it well, so he

500
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 1>asked her to meet him in a public place, a park.

501
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>When she arrived, Bradley broke the news to her, and

502
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:35.079
<v Speaker 1>apparently she was enraged. But clearly they're going to still

503
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>have to be in each other's lives because, I mean,

504
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 1>they had children together, right. So, shortly after five pm,

505
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:46.039
<v Speaker 1>surveillance cameras captured Bradley, Abigail, and her friend Ryan and

506
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Lewis arriving at the Horseshoe Pub. Abigail had apparently just

507
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>started a line of cocaine a few minutes prior and

508
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>was now mixing with alcohol, not a good combination when

509
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you're emostally unstable and just went through a Breakupgail was

510
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>acting both short tempered and angry, causing trouble for other

511
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 1>people in the pub, and getting into several arguments with

512
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 1>other patrons as well while they're there. A lot seemed

513
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to happen while they were inside this place, including Bradley

514
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>crying in the bathroom, confiding with one of the friends

515
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that he was terrified of Abigail and Abigail getting into

516
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>a fight and throwing Bradley's drink in Bradley's face and

517
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, like in a fight, I mean a

518
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 1>legit bar fight with another patron.

519
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Gosh.

520
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So as a result, they were kicked out, and

521
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Abigail said that she wanted to go home and be

522
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:34.359
<v Speaker 1>alone with Bradley. When his friend told her to stop

523
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.880
<v Speaker 1>bullying Bradley, she responded by spitting in the friend's face.

524
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 1>So she's essentially forcing him, like, let's go home sort

525
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>of situation.

526
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, that is just like such a terrible position

527
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 2>to be in. Hey, it is because that's also like

528
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 2>the mom of his children. So yeah, he probably like

529
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty you know, wants to make sure she's going to

530
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:56.440
<v Speaker 2>be all right.

531
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I guess, all right, yeah, for sure, make sure his

532
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>kids are all right. And I'm assuming most of his

533
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>shit is there too, I mean it's of course, like, yeah, sure,

534
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe we're broken up right now, but it's kind of

535
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>where I fucking live at the moment, so we got

536
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>to get stuff sorted out in the coming days. But yeah,

537
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>let's go home for now.

538
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, doing that in like he had a good

539
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.759
<v Speaker 2>plan of going and doing this in like a public place.

540
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Righteah, definitely now at this moment, it was around seven

541
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>to fifty pm when mutual friend Alfie offered to give

542
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.400
<v Speaker 1>them a lift back home. The couple accepted the offer

543
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 1>the offer, and it was reported that they argued the

544
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:36.559
<v Speaker 1>entire way back home, and once they arrived home, Abigail

545
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>stormed inside while Bradley said goodbye, during which one of

546
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 1>the last things he said to his friend was I'm

547
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>dead when I get home.

548
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Was he being like serious or like?

549
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I think he was more so being facetious.

550
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just a long night kind of thing.

551
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, frig Yeah, Well, like I told you when I

552
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>went out to play ball hockey, like I'm I'm going

553
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>to die tomorrow, like like that sort of situation, right yeah, metaphorically, Oh.

554
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 2>But that is just like some brutal last words.

555
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 1>It's still very very ominous. Now, it would be not

556
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 1>even twenty minutes later that Bradley was stabbed. Now. Abigail

557
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 1>refused to take full accountability and refused to plead guilty

558
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 1>for the murder of Bradley, but she did agree to

559
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>play guilty to manslaughter charges. As the investigators dug deep

560
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>into the case, they found a mountain of concerning evidence.

561
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>After combing through Bradley's phone data, analysis found hundreds and

562
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean hundreds of threatening messages sent to Bradley in

563
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>months prior from Abigail. For example, on February seventh, one

564
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>month before Bradley's death, Abigail sent Bradley a message saying quote,

565
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I swear to God I'll stab you jeuz. Another message

566
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 1>just a few weeks prior, saying quote I'm going to

567
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>stab you in the fucking neck.

568
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, could you okay?

569
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, So it wasn't even a one time thing.

570
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 1>This is a consistent threat.

571
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Getting text messages like this from like your loved one.

572
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well we have these two texts, and we have

573
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 1>an audio about her talking about stabbing him and killing him.

574
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

575
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Consistent talking about killing.

576
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Brady because okay, see my head, where my head's at is.

577
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of like, well, did she actually mean to

578
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>kill him or was it just like a terrible fluke

579
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>of where the stab wound ended up being. But gosh,

580
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:39.839
<v Speaker 2>this is some some like daunting evidence here.

581
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, how's this and some of the text messages. She

582
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.359
<v Speaker 1>even threatened to kill Bradley's mother in front of him,

583
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 1>and just six days before his death, she made several

584
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Google searches related to stabbing.

585
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, okay, yeah, I take that back.

586
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 1>She most likely meant it.

587
00:30:58.720 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow.

588
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

589
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 2>So.

590
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Abigail was examined by several professional psychiatrists before heading to trial.

591
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Seyah Crease, a clinical psychologist who examined her, concluded

592
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 1>that Abigail was so poor at controlling her anger that

593
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 1>she said ninety nine percent of the rest of the

594
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>population would be more able to successfully do it than her.

595
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:29.519
<v Speaker 1>By the population, so that includes kids, yeah. Doctor Bradley Hiller,

596
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>a consultant forensic psychiatrist, said that Abigail appears to suffer

597
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 1>from borderline personality disorder. Was also confirmed that she did

598
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>not exhibit signs of delusion, hallucinations, or other symptoms consistent

599
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 1>with psychosis, and was in fact found fit to stand trial. Okay, really, yeah,

600
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.079
<v Speaker 1>so she was not delusional, she did not have hallucinations,

601
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 1>nothing along those lines. She is completely sane. She's just

602
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>an anger bitch.

603
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, it doesn't help too that she was

604
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>so like what's the word intoxicated or whatever, probably that

605
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>night too, right, like she was doing drugs and alcohol.

606
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I mean, this is a whole cooking

607
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 1>pot of shit, right. We have, like her upbringing, we

608
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>have the terrible toxicity throughout this relationship, which I'm not

609
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>going to say that Bradley was innocent in it, but

610
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>it seems to be very heavily upon her side, as

611
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, with the intoxication aspect, all leading up to

612
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>this breakup. But that does not change the fact that

613
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.559
<v Speaker 1>she consistently at least had the fact of killing and

614
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 1>stabbing him on the mind.

615
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, for like a good month at least.

616
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 1>At least I'm sure this happened a lot longer, but

617
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 1>at least, as far as evidence go, for at least

618
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 1>a month. So I mean, yeah, it just kind of

619
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>speaks for itself at that point in all honesty. Now,

620
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>as a result, though she would not get the plea deal,

621
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 1>so much evidence against her they went to trial.

622
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she stood.

623
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>She stood in court staring down a potential murder conviction.

624
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 1>After twelve hours of deliberation, the jury would come back

625
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 1>with a decision. Abigail White was found guilty of the

626
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.039
<v Speaker 1>murder of Bradley Lewis. As a result, under UK law,

627
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Abigail was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum

628
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>of eighteen years before she could be eligible for parole,

629
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>which means that the very earliest she may be free

630
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 1>in October of twenty thirty nine.

631
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's not long enough.

632
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I agree, huh So now, Bradley's father commented that losing

633
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 1>him was the hardest thing he had ever experienced in

634
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<v Speaker 1>his life, and Bradley's mom, Rachel, stated that part of

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<v Speaker 1>her world ended when police told her that Bradley had died,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the loss will be with her for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, well, yeah, like I mean, I think that's

639
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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the worst things in life, to lose

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<v Speaker 2>a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, that dreaded knock at the front door

642
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<v Speaker 1>is I think anyone.

643
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<v Speaker 2>You would just drell that you would just know something

644
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<v Speaker 2>is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>If yeah, if you ever see police knocking at the

646
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<v Speaker 1>front door. He hold your breath, that'd be a terrifying sight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, of course there's so many other things

648
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<v Speaker 1>that can go along with it. It could be like

649
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<v Speaker 1>your kid was caught fucking spray painting a local supermarket wall,

650
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<v Speaker 1>or like hopefully it's just that.

651
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, it could even be like something to

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<v Speaker 2>do with a crime happening in the neighborhood though too, right, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, yeah, there's that. I mean, especially when you're

654
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<v Speaker 1>where you're talking like military individuals, there's that dreaded knock

655
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<v Speaker 1>at the front door, right, So yeah, Anyways, Bradley's death

656
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<v Speaker 1>brought so much sadness to his family though that many

657
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<v Speaker 1>people that did know him, and the hundreds of people

658
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<v Speaker 1>who attended his funeral honored his life, family and friends

659
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<v Speaker 1>from years that At Bristol Rovers Supporters Football Club they

660
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<v Speaker 1>played a friendly football match against Helen f C. And

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<v Speaker 1>not only did hundreds of people sign up to watch

662
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<v Speaker 1>the event, but more than seven thousand people or sorry pounds,

663
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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand pounds was raised for his funeral, with the

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<v Speaker 1>remains donating remaining donations there we go going towards Mind,

665
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<v Speaker 1>a men's mental health charity on Friday, the twentieth of

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty twenty two, Bradley Lewis was cremated at Westerly

667
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<v Speaker 1>Crematorium and during the service, one of the football managers

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<v Speaker 1>that used to train him when he was a child

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<v Speaker 1>said this quote, he was one of the nicest kids

670
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<v Speaker 1>you could ever meet. Sometimes people say that without actually

671
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<v Speaker 1>meaning it, but with brad it was genuine. He was

672
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<v Speaker 1>very placid, amicable and polite, just one of the good

673
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<v Speaker 1>guys in life, Like his dad. He will be desperately

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<v Speaker 1>missed by the many that knew him.

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<v Speaker 2>That is really sad, Like he would just it sounds like,

676
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if circumstances were different, he would have just

677
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<v Speaker 2>like thrived.

678
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<v Speaker 1>I think so as a human. Yeah, but he got

679
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<v Speaker 1>caught up in the toxic, very toxic relationship with Abigail,

680
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<v Speaker 1>which unfortunately that we said at the very beginning, when

681
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<v Speaker 1>you kind of get brought up in that environment, that

682
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<v Speaker 1>domino effect hits and you perpetuated almost.

683
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, I mean, yeah, she totally was a victim

684
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>at one point, right she is.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a time in life, and we've said this

686
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<v Speaker 1>before in the podcast, just because you're a victim doesn't

687
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<v Speaker 1>give you the freedom to perpetuate and to do things

688
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>upon other people. You still know the difference between right

689
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and wrong. She knew not that killing him would be bad,

690
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<v Speaker 1>even if she didn't mean to kill him, she knew

691
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<v Speaker 1>stabbing him as bad.

692
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, now those kids like don't have parents really correct?

693
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<v Speaker 1>Their mother is in jail and their dad is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gosh, were they home? I wonder when this was happening.

695
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<v Speaker 2>Hoping not. I don't know, I'm assuming not because they

696
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<v Speaker 2>were out, you know, right, yeah, back home?

697
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<v Speaker 1>But frig So that is the story of Abigail White

698
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<v Speaker 1>and uh, yeah, I'm Bradley Lewis huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it sounds like she does need some serious

700
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<v Speaker 2>help of sorts, So it's like hoping that she kind

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<v Speaker 2>of gets that.

702
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<v Speaker 1>Well she's in Yeah, I do hope she fucking gets it.

703
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<v Speaker 1>She deserves to be rotting for longer, in my opinion,

704
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<v Speaker 1>But while she's in there, I do hope she gets

705
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<v Speaker 1>the help so then when she does come out, she

706
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<v Speaker 1>can be a fucking productive member of society and not

707
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<v Speaker 1>rage and do this sort of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's always scary to me when like there,

709
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<v Speaker 2>because like Bradley really wasn't that old.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It is scary to me when they go to prison

712
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.119
<v Speaker 2>at a young age and then you know it's pretty

713
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<v Speaker 2>much guaranteed that they will get out. Yeah, that's just scary.

714
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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like you hope that they're doing the

715
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<v Speaker 2>work in there that they need to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she'll be if I do my math

717
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<v Speaker 1>correctly in my head here, don't quote me, but I

718
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<v Speaker 1>believe she'll be eligible for parole at forty one.

719
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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and hopefully maybe she's even like getting some

720
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:20.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of education in there or something, right, so then

721
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<v Speaker 2>when she comes out, she can do something other than

722
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 2>only fans, which wasn't going super well. Right. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there's forty year old only fans,

724
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<v Speaker 2>I have like no idea.

725
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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm sure there is. And don't get me wrong,

726
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing against if some people are doing only

727
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.760
<v Speaker 1>fans and doing sex work. You know not do you

728
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<v Speaker 1>We're sitting we're doing a podcast talking about true crime.

729
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 1>We're just different genre. So but I do say to

730
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<v Speaker 1>the general population doing only fans, it's not worth it.

731
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<v Speaker 1>You're not like, because there's so it's not necessarily worth

732
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 1>it for like selling your content or anything. It's not

733
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<v Speaker 1>worth it in the aspect that you there's so many

734
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<v Speaker 1>creators' you're gonna drown.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't realize it was so a traded Like

736
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<v Speaker 2>I had absolutely no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to make any sort of wave, to make any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of financial gain format, you got to work your

739
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<v Speaker 1>ass off. If you can do it, fuck, yeah, good

740
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 1>on you. Yeah, but the chances are you're gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>all that effort in and not see the return.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's I mean, yeah, I'm not saying I have

743
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<v Speaker 2>anything against it either, And like I should say, a

744
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 2>forty year old on only fans is totally fine.

745
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but we're two thirty six year olds who

746
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<v Speaker 1>host a true cram podcast.

747
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<v Speaker 2>I know, Hey, I'm only thirty five.

748
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, give it a couple months.

749
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<v Speaker 2>He's aging me over there.

750
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm six months older than you. Get over it.

751
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I know. It isn't that wild to think that we're

752
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.159
<v Speaker 2>like close to being forty. I know, like, what the heck,

753
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 2>it's absurd anyway, Hm, that is like a real shitty story,

754
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.320
<v Speaker 2>right there, is it?

755
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Ever? Like?

756
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<v Speaker 2>Holy heck? Because I just feel like he would have

757
00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>just he just seemed like he was an awesome human

758
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and I mean choices and stuff. Maybe when he died,

759
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't up at his most awesome. Yeah, you know,

760
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.559
<v Speaker 2>but if if he had met someone better or something right.

761
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<v Speaker 1>I wholeheartedly believe Bradley was drugged down by Abigail.

762
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not think you would have done the things

764
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<v Speaker 1>that he'd done in the relationship were it not for

765
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.400
<v Speaker 1>her and her toxicity. She fucking poisoned.

766
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<v Speaker 2>Him in mind. Yeah that's just too bad. Wow, So well,

767
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:31.519
<v Speaker 2>rest and peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Yeah, hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to check out any of our links, links are

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<v Speaker 1>Were the managers, were the researchers, were the editors, were

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<v Speaker 1>the producers, were the audio engineers, the you name it,

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<v Speaker 2>We have our dogs. There are ral Support.

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<v Speaker 1>And Kiwi are Cat our black cat is our mascot. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for being here. We appreciate you and until next time,

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<v Speaker 1>stay wicked,