WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:05.040 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:08.960 in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world. 3 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:24.000 Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland. So 4 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:27.039 take it easy or as we say in Gaelic ligda 5 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:31.920 ski and listen to all things concerning the paranormal in 6 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:38.520 Ireland and indeed beyond. Welcome to Scary Era. All views 7 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.560 are Mark Manning's own, but you can express them too 8 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.119 if you want to be right about everything like he is. 9 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:50.000 Hello and welcome to episode twenty three of Scary Era, 10 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:53.960 hosted by me Mark Manning from the East coast of 11 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:58.920 Dublin in Ireland. Our guest today will be Eugene Dorin, 12 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:04.239 founder of Paranormal Afterlife and a recent convert into Ghost 13 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.599 Era run by our old friend Paranormal Trousers Anthony, So 14 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.840 do stay tuned for him because he's a really interesting guy. 15 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:17.000 And now it's time for our regular little insert random, anonymous, 16 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.879 strange but true. 17 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:23.439 I grew up in the village of Whitegate in Cork Harbor. 18 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.120 We are the last place you passed through before the 19 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.519 hellhole that he is Troubulgne. Before it was a holiday center, 20 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.200 it was an Irish school before that was a convent. 21 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.359 The story concerned a monk that traveled around the country 22 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:41.000 but eventually settled in Whitegate as it was beside the sea, 23 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.400 but also because at where he'd met and fell in 24 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.680 love with a young nun. They began to have their 25 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:53.200 secret affair. However, they were caught and, in a very 26 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.239 Unchristian punishment, befell the young nun, who was buried in 27 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.239 the wall of the newly constructed archway leading to the grounds. 28 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.920 Wrought with despair, the monk later hung himself from the arch. 29 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.560 The iron peg he tied the rope to is still 30 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:14.759 visible today. No one knows who hangs the noose there 31 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.159 every year when it is closed for the holidays. 32 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.159 This tale is more sad than scary. But here in 33 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:27.520 Wicklow Town long ago, there was a chapel in Melancholy Lane, 34 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:31.080 which continues from the Green Hill Road to the main street, 35 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.000 and one Sunday morning, when the people were at mass, 36 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.879 the soldiers under Sir Charles Coote, who had been sent 37 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:42.039 over by Queen Elizabeth in the sixteenth century, surrounded the 38 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:46.240 lane set fire to the chapel. Some of the soldiers 39 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.360 blocked the top of the lane. Others formed a line 40 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:51.439 at the bottom, so that when the people were in 41 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.439 the middle of the lane, the soldiers gathered around them 42 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.039 and killed them. The blood ran down the lane and 43 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.960 through the main street. It is said that the bricks 44 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.560 from the ruins of the chapel were built into a 45 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:08.240 house which was unlucky. This is why that lane is 46 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.360 called melancholy Lane. 47 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:18.479 I've always thought ghost stories were just that, stories that 48 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:21.639 made up stuff you tell around the fire that ends 49 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:25.800 with a boo and everyone listening enjoys a goofy laugh 50 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.439 before moving on to the next tale of horror. I'm 51 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:35.840 an atheist, so by default I will deny any indulgence 52 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:40.919 in deity, ghosts, or thing after life. When I tell 53 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.560 this story, I emphasize that it's all the more trouble 54 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:48.159 and for me as it challenges my steadfast belief in 55 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:54.919 science over religious belief. So saying all that, here's my 56 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:59.479 recounting of an experience of a haunting. I used to 57 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.479 work with the young people who could be described as 58 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:08.439 vulnerable or high risk. The work tended toward physical, outdoor 59 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:13.159 activities and we often used residential centers across Northern Ireland. 60 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.759 I'd been in this line of work for nearly fifteen 61 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.319 years at the time I had this experience, so I 62 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:25.000 wasn't some skiddy nube that got spooked by being in 63 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.680 a unfamiliar building. I led a team of five youth 64 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.439 workers and we were constantly looking for different venues to 65 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:37.959 run short residential for the utes. We were responsible for. 66 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.879 The kids we worked with fifteen to sixteen years old. 67 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.399 We generally mess around all night and our main objective 68 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.120 was to make sure they didn't burn the building to 69 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.000 the grind or kill each other during the night. You 70 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.720 might think I'm exaggerating, but this was more than twenty 71 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.279 five years ago. In life in Belfast was just a 72 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:03.199 strying kids and the net result for us meant the 73 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:09.560 fixed the deranged kids business was booming. Our charges got 74 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.319 us kicked out if most of the usual centers for 75 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:20.319 anything from arson, vandalism, GBH, intoxication or all of the above. 76 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:26.319 After many searches, we found great accommodation in Glenariffe, not 77 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.120 too far from the forest park. The building we ended 78 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:34.839 up using was owned by the monks. The ownership reinforced 79 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.800 by the odd cross or two on the walls and 80 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.879 the odd child of prag statue which we hid straight away. 81 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.959 It had been a parochial house or retreat center that 82 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.279 had a smell that can only be described as a 83 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:55.439 mix of incense, nineteen seventy's bo and fear, but as 84 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.839 a residential venue for high risk kids it was great. 85 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:04.319 No neighbors are warden to keep awake, solid internal walls 86 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:08.120 with a good sound insulation, and at least five miles 87 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.920 from civilization, and to be honest, there wasn't much the 88 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.199 kids could do to wreck the place, as it was 89 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:18.319 an old building with old furniture and random pictures of 90 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:24.399 landscapes and Christ and saints hanging from the walls. We 91 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:26.879 were on our second night and we had a few 92 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:31.199 incidents that almost end at the residential and then things 93 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.720 were looking better once our group had settled for the night. 94 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.720 At four am, I was locking up the building and 95 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.279 was in the process of locking the kitchen door. I 96 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.720 couldn't get the right key from the bunch in my hand, 97 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.120 and the only light I had was the glow of 98 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:50.279 the white and green fire eggsit sign at the end 99 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.560 of the corridor that I was standing in. We had 100 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:58.240 tried a few keys, old cast iron ones, all rust 101 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.399 brown and shiny, with years of oxide in greasy hands. 102 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:05.160 I found the right one with a bit of red 103 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.360 tape on it, locked the door, pulled the key, and 104 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.839 turned to walk the corridor leading to the stairs when 105 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:18.319 a child, laughing ran like a flash across the corridor. 106 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:23.560 My first reaction was the whispered word through gritted teeth 107 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.560 christ As. I couldn't work out how one of our 108 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.680 kids got down the stairs and passed all my colleagues. 109 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.160 I was thinking, God, it's four a m. I thought 110 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:40.600 we were done for the night. However, two things then 111 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:46.199 occurred to me that equally confounded me, which rolled in 112 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.639 my mind in a quick looping succession, and I can't 113 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.680 say how much time passed as I tried to separate 114 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.360 these observations. Before I could make any sense of what 115 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:59.879 I had just witnessed. We had one of those shift 116 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.279 and perspective that as akin to hearing someone you know 117 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:08.879 well has just died, that dizzy hammering in your head. 118 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.560 Will you think you'll be sick if you speak or breathe? 119 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.800 I had just seen a boy aged no more than 120 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:21.040 ten years old, wearing gray shorts, black brogues, knee length 121 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:26.720 socks which had fallen to his ankles, running across a 122 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.199 corridor that had no doors or openings on either side. 123 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.639 I won't say I shrugged this off like a champ, 124 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:39.120 because I didn't, and neither do I know more than 125 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.759 twenty five years later. There was no way it was 126 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.960 a trick of the light or a figment of a 127 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.720 tired mind. It was real, no matter how much my 128 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:55.000 atheist brain wants to deny it. I used the building 129 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:58.679 only once more, and on that occasion again in the 130 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:02.279 dead of night, my young traveler from Limerick had a caesier, 131 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.080 and my colleagues and I were desperately trying to manage 132 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.360 with our basic first aid skills for an hour before 133 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:15.759 the ambulance arrived. As he recovered, he was staring over 134 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:20.279 my shoulder. He spoke and said there was a a 135 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:26.519 boy laughing behind me. The Limerick kids started wailing, saying 136 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.440 a load of indecipherable stuff. Heard him saying that the 137 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.759 boy told him he would be standing in the shadows soon. 138 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:40.480 He was so bloody scared. I'll tell you ny that 139 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.960 nearly finished me. I purely kept it together while we 140 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.080 waited for the ambulance. I'll confess I was on full 141 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.519 tilt for a number of years after, I never went 142 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:55.600 back to that place, and I'm not sure if it 143 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.240 was the catalyst for me to leave youth work and 144 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:03.200 change career. I live in Dublin. I I used to 145 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.559 tell this story occasionally when I thought some one would 146 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.840 get what I saw. More often than not, people listen, 147 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:17.039 not laugh, ask if it was real, But no one 148 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:21.000 has ever asked how it affected me. Moh have driven 149 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.960 past that building once since then. I hear it's been 150 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.759 turned into holiday apartments, but I'm not about to go 151 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:32.399 for a look at that place any time soon. I 152 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:34.559 would be happier now if I heard the place had 153 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:38.240 burnt to the ground, the rubble and ashes tipped into 154 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:42.240 the sea. I also heard that the traveler boy from 155 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:44.799 Limerick got shot on the head by a point to 156 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:50.840 two rifle and he managed to survive. So if you 157 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.399 know the place I'm talking about, keep it to yourself 158 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.320 and don't want to hear you are ever there, Nor 159 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.000 will I describe the place for there for you to find. 160 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.440 I'm only telling you this as a gentle warning. Do 161 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:10.080 not seek out paranormal stuff, because if you find it, 162 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.679 it won't become a story that you keep to tell people. 163 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:17.600 It becomes the stuff that keeps you awake at night, 164 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:26.399 twenty five years later, Mark Manning. 165 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.559 Yeah, yeah, a couple of things over the years. But 166 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.480 I've learned, well I don't. I suppose it's not learned. 167 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:36.519 I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's 168 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.799 kind of it's it's maybe it's another sense or something. 169 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.480 But often when you go into places, you will get 170 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.360 a feeling for the place and you'll get a feeling 171 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.519 of whether or not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that. 172 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.039 Who knows what causes that. But we have an intuition. 173 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.559 We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it 174 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.759 is or where it comes from, or the physics of 175 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:57.159 it or the chemistry of it, but it's there, and 176 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:00.799 anybody will will tell you to stay with your intuition. 177 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.440 If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't hang around. 178 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.960 Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn 179 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:14.360 aka the Squire, and don't hang around either. If you've 180 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:19.600 got an Irish paranormal tale to tell, simply email Paranormal 181 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:24.080 Ireland at ProtonMail dot com and it'll be read out 182 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.240 for you before you get to teleton air yourself. That's 183 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.799 Paranormal Island at ProtonMail dot com. 184 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:35.399 Hi Jenny Sullivan Here. I am the creator and founder 185 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:40.080 of Emerald Isle Paranormal Researchers. You can find our latest 186 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:44.840 investigation of the beautiful and infamous Lepcastle. You can find 187 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:51.720 that on our YouTube page and our Facebook page. 188 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:57.519 Hello Scary Era listeners. My name is Anthony Corrigan and 189 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:01.159 I'm a member of the paranormal psychical research team called 190 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.759 ghost Era. You can catch up on where we have 191 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:06.279 been also see what we've got up in the future 192 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:10.960 by logging into our website ww dot Ghostereo dot net. 193 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.759 You can also watch shows of the ghost Aid channel, 194 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.639 where we interview numerous people in the field of the 195 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.639 paranormal and FOURTEENA. You can also check us on our 196 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:24.320 social media pages on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube by just 197 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.039 typing in Ghostterer or Ghosttero Paranormal. 198 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.759 You can also watch our new show. 199 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:34.080 Phantasm Collective on channels such as Prime UK and also 200 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:38.639 Paraflex and other streaming services to be announced. I just 201 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:43.159 got to deal with this ghost, now. 202 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:44.039 Get out. 203 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:53.039 My name is Matthew Clark and I'm mister Cork Supernatural Society, 204 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.240 our most recent investigation took us to a location called 205 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.399 the Black Gates in County Cork, which is the ruins 206 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.679 of an ancient churchyard said to be hunted by a 207 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.559 demonic presence of a vicar who gave evidence against the 208 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.320 Irish Rebels to the British and the Irish rebels ended 209 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.360 up being executed with their heads cut off and put 210 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.120 on the gate. You can find out about the investigation 211 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:18.240 by following us on Facebook or Instagram at Cox Supernatural 212 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.440 Society and we'll update Any evidence caught on that investigation 213 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.759 will go up on ease of those pages. Follow us 214 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:32.720 on Cox Supernatural Society on Facebook or Instagram. 215 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:36.240 Stay with me a moment, because Dublin isn't just a city, 216 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.720 It's a sperrit. From humble beginnings and tough streets, its 217 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:44.200 people have forwarded something unbreakable. There's a warmth behind the struggle, 218 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:48.320 a determination that never fades. They are, without question, the 219 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.559 salt of the earth, steady, strong and full of heart. 220 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:58.960 Allow me introduce you to one of Dublin's sons, Eugene 221 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:00.600 from After Life Paranormal. 222 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.879 Welcome, Thank you, Mike, thanks for having me on the program. 223 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.639 Whereabouts in Dublin are you from originally Eugene bally Firma origine. 224 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.000 You had that kind of hard edge, didn't you in 225 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.360 bally Fermat and Ballymont back in the day. But once 226 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:14.240 you were in the fold of the community, it was 227 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:15.480 a beautiful place, am I right? 228 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.600 Yeah, that's true. Yeah, bally Firmat people are gray. And 229 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:22.879 most of my motor's family actually lived in Ballymont, believe 230 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.919 it or not. And two my uncles started Ballymon athletic 231 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.600 at the time, would have been in the seventies. 232 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:32.000 But do you know really was I don't want to 233 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:34.360 be all cliched, but you might know that song in 234 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.519 the love of the common people right the community, the 235 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:42.039 community spirit that exists in kind of inner city Dublin 236 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.840 or you know even on the outskirts that the whole 237 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.720 I don't know in Chacorkland Dock and Ballymont, bally firmat 238 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:53.879 Sheriff Street, you know you could and I'm sure people 239 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:56.120 did back in the day. You would leave your key 240 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.200 in your door. Neighbors used to regularly go into each 241 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.039 other's houses. I were remember, that's true. 242 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:03.480 A lot of people left are key on the chin 243 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.519 in through the letter box. Yeah, and you would just 244 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.320 come and go. And neighbors were great because I remember 245 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.919 as a kids, mimas, you don't drop in next door 246 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:15.360 to missus smith and ass would you have a bit 247 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.159 of boater till to see which I have a drop 248 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.840 of milk stuff. But that's I think all people are 249 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.399 like that. And then guys, I don't think they had 250 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.200 as much as they have today, you know. And there 251 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.639 was more a community back in the old days, if 252 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.200 that's what I want to call it, the owl days. 253 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:33.519 But yeah, people were more it was more to gether 254 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.480 in us than anything. I don't think people had a lot, 255 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:37.559 so they used to share. 256 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:43.200 So when were the first inklings in Eugene Doran's life 257 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.440 that there might be something, say, beyond the veil of normality. 258 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:52.080 I suppose man said that she lived in I think 259 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.840 it was something like two sixty four Cowtry Road or 260 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.519 remember she the ghost, Well that's what she told me. 261 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.200 And he used to switch on the washing machine, torn 262 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.039 off the washing machine, lights at flicker, stuff like that. 263 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:11.440 And she eventually move down to number one Country Route 264 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.359 and she said the ghost follow that there, but there 265 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.480 was a friendly grouse that they were tricks on her, 266 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:19.319 and you know, torn off Floyd, so she might ton 267 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.880 the tally off on go into the kitchen to get 268 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.480 a cup of tears and to come back to tally 269 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.799 be off. So she had little stories like that, all 270 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.319 of little mistagious teams stuff with gow Miss and she'd 271 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:31.799 be looking for that for ages and all of a 272 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:34.359 sudden they just appear in front of her. So she 273 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:38.920 she called her the ghost, her mischievous friend, and he 274 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.319 followed that that's what she said, yeah, and she may 275 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.279 have to you and dan Dale then she made with 276 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.039 the darn Dale and she said the ghost or spirit 277 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:54.799 whichever some people call them ghosts. I prefer the world spirit. Yeah, 278 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:58.359 And he followed our tale, Daran Dale and doing the 279 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:01.880 same things all the time up till the day she 280 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.519 does it. But she always said there was now malice, 281 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.599 now harm. And it was just she talked to himcause 282 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.400 she actually walked down the house talking to him, believe 283 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.160 it or not. So yeah, and that was kind of 284 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.039 that really got me into it. So I was saying, oh, 285 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.920 something going on here. And then probably maybe seven or 286 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.240 eight was me forced trip to the health for her 287 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.720 club with my parents and and then had come out 288 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.680 from England. They were looking for somewhere to go. It 289 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.440 was lovely summer's evening, so we all headed up to 290 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.119 the health for her clothes. We forced to climbed up 291 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.839 in the roof. I had a look around, wasn't didn't 292 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.400 really know the story of it. And then obviously on 293 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:43.960 the drive up they were telling me and and that 294 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.599 the story of the devil playing cards jumped up set 295 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.720 the place on for her, and so we started chaining in. 296 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.240 But I remember going home that night and I went 297 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:58.599 to bead and I felt today scared. I was thinking, oh, 298 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.839 the devil, he could be coming out or whatever. My 299 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.319 mother came up to me because she knew something was up, 300 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.359 and she actually said to me, oh, I don't really 301 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:10.039 God look after you and did their only stories or whatever. 302 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.960 So from that I said, well, if there's just started, 303 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:15.400 there must be something behind it. So from then on 304 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:19.440 then I started kind of getting into not to your cult, 305 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:23.039 but reading up on things and start pointing magazines diractly 306 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.759 had pictures of Dracqueline Gouts and the wolf Man of 307 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.720 the Bedroom. So that's when I really started getting into 308 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.200 it then. So I suppose probably from bout seven or eight, 309 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.680 I was thinking myself or the something else. 310 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:39.519 Here so when we instead of like watching the A 311 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.559 team or whatever you were, you were locked up with 312 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:44.400 your your ghost magazines and. 313 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:46.960 Yeah, gast Magan. And then when I got a little 314 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:50.279 bit older, then I started reading Steven King books and 315 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:53.759 James Herbert books. You know, I was just all stuff 316 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.400 like that. But like James Herbert, one of the first 317 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:01.079 books are read was Despair. It was the Spare of 318 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:05.599 Christ and the Nazi's looking for stuff like that was 319 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:08.640 that was probably the first book I remember reading. And 320 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.279 then I was that got me, you know, wondering what 321 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:12.079 they culture is. 322 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.799 About Eugene visitation dreams. So you were telling me before 323 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.240 we did this interview that you had two of them. 324 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:20.400 Can you recall those for us? 325 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.079 I can't. The first one was it's gone back to 326 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:29.559 two thousand and eight. Then my best friend died in 327 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.799 November the twenty ninth, and probably a few months later 328 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:37.119 in the January, I was duringing and I was in 329 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:43.240 the city center near Liberty Hall and over in Elder Connie, Oya. 330 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:47.039 Same my best friend Oliver near Liberty Hall and he 331 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.400 was riving to me, boy a new boy is gesturing, 332 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:51.759 and the way he was new when he was actually 333 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.240 asked me was like, okay, it was everything funny, I 334 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.000 said I was, and with that the dream ended. And 335 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.640 then a couple of month flyer at blood driven whether 336 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.720 in a restaurant or the campaign of some sort, and 337 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.440 over to the left weathers a set of dollars. One 338 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:14.240 whiter goes in moondre or that's bringing in the flight 339 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.680 and the boy that's bringing out the field comes out 340 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:20.119 another door. So we pointed to me towards the dolls 341 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:24.000 and said watch yourself stop. So we stopped dead and 342 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.359 with that a trolley came out. Why I can pushing 343 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.440 out with trolley and nearly hit me. So that was 344 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.599 going for a couple of dys Later, I was driving 345 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:35.880 to walk and as a kind of a set of lights, 346 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.519 and I stopped just as we took off. When the 347 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:40.880 lights went read the force car went. I was the 348 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.039 second car, and just as we pulled away, just to 349 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:46.599 the left kne in the corner you orither spotted some 350 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:49.880 white or looked there realized it as a car, and 351 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.000 I tried the spade up a little bit to get 352 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.160 out as well. But he actually came through the junction 353 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:58.440 that the lights would have been read for him, and 354 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:01.720 he actually destroying that fast came through the junction and 355 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.079 he hit me. But I think if it hadn't a been, 356 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.160 I knew that dream was warning me of something. So 357 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:09.519 it was kind of a left on the day offered 358 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:13.319 a few days before I talking to Jerry shown the 359 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.599 town me something and car actually hit me at the back. 360 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.640 Go if it hit me and de Soid in the front, 361 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:23.359 if Carl would have ended up in the joyb scene 362 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.160 and that's what the police counties. Yeah, so that was 363 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:29.599 kind of they were two visitis and dreams. I had 364 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.759 had a couple of down back a few years or 365 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.359 about I don't know whether they would have been because 366 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.200 there was a lot younger. Maybe it was just imagination, 367 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.279 but now now today that's not And I've spout the 368 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:46.720 other people since then and they've had some similar and 369 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:53.119 dreams or hysitis and dreams, if you will. But yeah, 370 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:57.720 it's really interested in that. I suppose visitisans can come 371 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:01.160 in different forms. Ago he can to me that I 372 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:05.880 walk with and he said to me that is a 373 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:08.960 family member that his had died, but a lot long 374 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:13.039 before she already bar about the perfume, and he said 375 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:17.240 that in around the time of our anniversary that he 376 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.559 can actually smell the perfume, and she died about twenty 377 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:26.559 years ago, but he is convinced coming up to the 378 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.839 diet that she died he can actually smell perfume for 379 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.279 a dire tab before that. So that was That's very interesting. 380 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:39.359 Other things that I love to hear about stories that 381 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:44.559 people telling me of instances where they're seeing someone that 382 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:47.960 they haven't seen in a long time and did wave 383 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.319 to them on the street on the fire side out 384 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:55.480 only take half an hour later and meet somebody else. Oh, 385 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:58.400 we just said, oh we met you Jane, that I 386 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:00.799 seen you Jane earlier on again my wife and the 387 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.359 person said, now should Jine go it two years ago? 388 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.319 You know, stuff like that, why did he see them? 389 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.559 Or stuff like that. But yeah, I kind of really 390 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:14.480 got into it affter that then I started that I 391 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:17.160 put a little team together and I said, he said, 392 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.720 you know what, let's go to some castles, Let's go 393 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.960 to some houses. Let's find out is there something else? 394 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.480 Is that a residual energy that people leave behind. 395 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.400 It was very interesting that Jerry, your good friend came 396 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:29.880 back to you. 397 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:34.440 Strange the vikings happened. Another thing that fascinating me is 398 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:39.039 you know some people it's past lawyers. That's kind of another. 399 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:43.880 That's something else you know for me like pass lawyers. 400 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.359 Is you ever get a feeling that you're know something 401 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.680