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<v Speaker 1>I just I hate them so much, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>think they deserve it. And it's not just that they

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<v Speaker 1>lie about everything. It's like they lie about everything, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they have the nerve to morally judge us. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you just watch even just the last few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of the Trump election, they're not in the business of

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<v Speaker 1>reporting the news. They're totally just in the business of

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<v Speaker 1>making you feel like you're a bad person if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't fall in line with the regime. America has this

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<v Speaker 1>giant war machine right, Like, we're just always at war.

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<v Speaker 1>We're the most war hungry country in the world. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if we're taking a little bit of a break from

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<v Speaker 1>a war, we'll fight two more proxy wars while we

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<v Speaker 1>do that. America looks back at the nineties. Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>has the time of peace and prosperity. We call it

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<v Speaker 1>peace because we only fought a war in like Serbia

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<v Speaker 1>and had a blockade around Iraq, and we're like bombing

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<v Speaker 1>the crap out of Iraq with a few other military

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<v Speaker 1>interventions in there too. You know, the un estimated that

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Clinton's sanction and bombing regime of Iraq. Okay, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>just thinks of George H. W. Bush's war and w's war.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bill Clinton was bombing Iraq his whole and you

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<v Speaker 1>had a full blockade around the country. The un estimated

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<v Speaker 1>that five hundred thousand children died of starvation or malnutrition

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<v Speaker 1>due to the blockade. Now I've heard people argue, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that number is exaggerated. Maybe it wasn't five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thad maybe it was only one hundred thousand. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the time that we consider peace when we were

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<v Speaker 1>just starving one hundred thousand children to death in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>And you, everybody in the corporate media are in the

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<v Speaker 1>business every single one of those wars. You've sold them.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone my entire life, the media has sold those wars.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're gonna morally look down on me. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>judge me, motherfucker. You're in the business of baby murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Get the fuck out of here. You're looking down judging

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<v Speaker 1>an American because I maybe I'm going to vote for

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, or maybe I dare to question the results

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<v Speaker 1>of the last election.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck you, dude, probably the most consequential election of our lifetime,

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<v Speaker 2>and within twenty four hours of that, the largest podcaster

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<v Speaker 2>on Earth, really the largest platform on Earth, the Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Rogan experience Joe Rogan. Who does he call? Does he call?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, jd Vance or Trump to come in

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about it. Now. He calls Dave fucking Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>a stand up comedian and libertarian podcast. That's who he

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<v Speaker 2>calls to come in and give the true American breakdown

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<v Speaker 2>as to what we just witness, what we just experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people understand how big what Dave is

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<v Speaker 2>doing is. I'm going to get into it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit because I've got Tom Woods on in the second

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<v Speaker 2>half of this episode, and he and I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this towards the tail end of our conversation. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to really emphasize how special what Dave is

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<v Speaker 2>doing is right now. And yes, he's my friend, and

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<v Speaker 2>yes I owe him a lot for all the help

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<v Speaker 2>he's provided me. That's not why I'm saying this. I

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<v Speaker 2>promise you that I mean this from the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>my heart. I genuinely think that what Dave is accomplishing,

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<v Speaker 2>what he has accomplished since he decided not to run

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<v Speaker 2>for the presidency under the Libertarian Party, has far out

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<v Speaker 2>outpaced what he could have likely achieved had he ran.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty bold statement. And I think it's like

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<v Speaker 2>empirically true. I can't say it's sympirically true because I

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<v Speaker 2>can't prove what he would have done had he ran

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<v Speaker 2>for president, and I think he probably would have made

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<v Speaker 2>major waves had he done that. But without doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel as if he is accomplishing arguably more than

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<v Speaker 2>he could have had he been running. He was on

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<v Speaker 2>with Patrick Bett David doing the live stream coverage of

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<v Speaker 2>the election. He then catches a red eye. I assume

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he flew in the first thing in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>lands in Austin, hops into Alex Jones studio, does an

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<v Speaker 2>hour or whatever it was over there, and then immediately

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<v Speaker 2>kicks it over to the Joe Rogan experience. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he talked to twenty million people in a matter of

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight hours, and what is the message that he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to convey there? War is bad? If you think

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a big deal, I don't think you're paying attention.

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<v Speaker 2>And may this argument to Tom in the interview that

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<v Speaker 2>I did with him, But I genuinely think that Dave

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<v Speaker 2>is on the cusp of surpassing Ron Paul in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what he was able to accomplish. And again, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a bold claim. So let me explain why I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's possible. There was a major push from myself

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<v Speaker 2>and Dave and everybody else that's in our world, clamoring, screaming,

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot have a nicky Haley, Mike Pompeo, led State Department, CIA,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever Trump was thinking about doing with these people, And

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<v Speaker 2>because of our pressure, in my opinion, not not necessarily ours,

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<v Speaker 2>but like the collective MAGA world pressure against those candidates,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump won a different direction, he says. He sends out

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<v Speaker 2>a true social post and he says, look, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going with Haleyer Pompeo. I appreciate them. Well, we gotta

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<v Speaker 2>go a different direction. While that is being announced, Dave

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<v Speaker 2>tweets out, it's not enough to just throw a wall

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<v Speaker 2>up to Haley and the Pompeos of the world. We

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<v Speaker 2>actually have to have no neo cons in the cabinet. None,

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<v Speaker 2>and who of all people quote tweets that Donald Trump Junior,

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<v Speaker 2>the son of the President elect, and he says, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on it one hundred percent. Now, there has been news

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<v Speaker 2>over the past twenty four hours that leads me to

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<v Speaker 2>believe Donald Trump Junior is losing that fight right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, it's our job to lend him credibility,

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<v Speaker 2>to lend him support in his claim to his father

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<v Speaker 2>that hey, this is not popular at all amongst your base.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to go this path, and maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>will have enough leverage to keep some of these more

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<v Speaker 2>atrocious candidates out. The latest being reports from the I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was the New York Post put out that

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<v Speaker 2>they have people that are around the campaign are saying

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<v Speaker 2>that Marco Rubio has been selected for Secretary of State. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I need to convince you guys that

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<v Speaker 2>Marco Rubio is not an America First guy. Okay. He

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<v Speaker 2>has also been very very critical of Donald Trump, calling

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<v Speaker 2>him a con man over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>The stakes are giving control of the Party of Lincoln

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<v Speaker 3>and Reagan, of the conservative movement, and ultimately of the

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<v Speaker 3>United States over to a con artist. That will not happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I make this promise to you today. I will do

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it takes. I will campaign as long as it takes.

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<v Speaker 3>I will stay in this race as long as it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why Donald Trump would do that in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of like, do you want loyalty, Well, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>very loyal. Do you want someone who will actually try

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<v Speaker 2>and get us out of wars. Marco Rubio has rarely

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<v Speaker 2>seen a war. He isn't all in for. He's extraordinarily

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<v Speaker 2>hawkish when it comes to China and Iran in particular.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem as if it jives with his campaign promises. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we always have to keep in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of our heads is Mariam Maidelson, whose number one

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<v Speaker 2>goal is the defense of Israel. She shipped one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars to Donald Trump to get him elected. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt Donald Trump is going to do things

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<v Speaker 2>and appoint people that are in alignment with her worldview

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<v Speaker 2>and her preferences. That is an inevitability. The puritanical libertarians

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<v Speaker 2>out there that have already been chastising me, Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>who he look what he's doing. Ah, you fool. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not naive. I know exactly what we're up against,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know that that Trump is going to make

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<v Speaker 2>good on some of those promises to the AEOSNS. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a fact. Do you think it would have been much

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<v Speaker 2>different or maybe not even maybe even worse if Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris was the president, Like, do you think that she

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<v Speaker 2>would have been like, ah, Israel, your on your own. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that wasn't gonna happen either, So we have to

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<v Speaker 2>like we are working in the land of the imperfect. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what politics are. So if you want to take

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<v Speaker 2>your little victory lap and say, oh, I'm so pure

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't vote for uh Donald Trump, and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>this is all on you, okay, fine, put the blame

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<v Speaker 2>on me. I don't really give a shit. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm in the game of. I'm in the game

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<v Speaker 2>of can we influenced them to be better than the alternative?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the answer to that is yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can. And there has been the latest reports,

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<v Speaker 2>and Apoulina Luna says, my understanding is that there has

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<v Speaker 2>been no pick made for Secretary of State. So what

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<v Speaker 2>I think is happening is I think that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is floating out names. He is not himself confirming these names.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just being reported on. And then magaworld erupts and

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<v Speaker 2>they say, what the fuck is this? This is not

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<v Speaker 2>what we signed up for. And then he he gives

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<v Speaker 2>you a twenty percent better option. This is a perfect

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<v Speaker 2>example was with the the leadership of the Senate race

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<v Speaker 2>that's happening this week, in fact, tomorrow or Wednesday. I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so tomorrow they are trying to do a vote in secret.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently Trump and Tucker Carlston the vague the senators

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<v Speaker 2>I do like, and Micha Lee and Rand Paul, they're

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Scott out of Florida, he's the guy. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to get him in there as the leader of

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate. Okay, I don't know. I don't love the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's pushed red flag laws. I'm not super fond of

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<v Speaker 2>him by any stretch of the imagination. But on the

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<v Speaker 2>alternative is Thune and Cornyn, who are just straight up

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<v Speaker 2>swap monsters, really nothing beneficial to add. They are just

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<v Speaker 2>a the heir apparents to Mitch McConnell's of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want that, So, like, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a puritanical libertarian on these issues, well then Scott

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<v Speaker 2>sucks too, right, But obviously the preferred option of the

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<v Speaker 2>three on offer, like I would rather it be Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Lee or Ran Paul, obviously, But I could shout those

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<v Speaker 2>names into the wind and get nothing, or I can

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<v Speaker 2>add my name to the growing chorus of people saying

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<v Speaker 2>Scott's the guy, and maybe that's enough to shift the votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Because as of the first announcement of this secret vote,

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<v Speaker 2>Thune was the favorite. Now the betting markets have Scott

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<v Speaker 2>as the favorite. So this is the game that we're

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<v Speaker 2>actually in. If you want to play it, this is

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<v Speaker 2>how you play it if you're If you just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, my hands are clean, I didn't vote you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I well it ought to be Rand Paul and just

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<v Speaker 2>say that and then have it not happen. You can

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<v Speaker 2>do that. That's it's your prerogative. But I'm actually in

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<v Speaker 2>the game of like, can we marginally improve Trump's cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump's second presidency presidential term over the first. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the answer is yes, we can, but we have

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<v Speaker 2>to be willing to deal in the imperfect. Marco Rubio

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<v Speaker 2>as Secretary of State would be a disaster. Is Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Blincoln good? No, I'd say he's at least as much

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<v Speaker 2>of a warmonger as Marcro Rubio, as evidence by all

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<v Speaker 2>of the wars that are happening right now. So like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is actually what we're dealing with is not perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not dealing with our ideal. We are dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>what is the alternative? I could have voted for the

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<v Speaker 2>libertarian case it, okay, and then Trump would still be

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<v Speaker 2>the president anyways. Okay, So like now we have a

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<v Speaker 2>significant influence. We have Donald Trump Junior in our orbit,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a vake in our orbit, we have RFK

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<v Speaker 2>junior in our orbit. They're all in Donald Trump Senior's orbit.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we be using our leverage, our influence, our audiences

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<v Speaker 2>to try and scream the Senators into voting for Scott

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<v Speaker 2>or should we just say none of these three guys

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna just say, oh, we hate all these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>My answer is I'm going to try and get the

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna hate me for it. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna be like, that's that's not that's not libertarian. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've accepted my fate. I am in this to

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<v Speaker 2>me to anarcho Kappistan. It's like, it's not happening. But

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<v Speaker 2>it might avoid World War three, it might it might

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty era. It might. It might. It might get

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<v Speaker 2>of corporate America. It might. In fact, I think it will.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's really what I'm striving towards. And if

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<v Speaker 2>to Dave. In a matter of forty eight hours, Dave

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<v Speaker 2>that he's gonna keep all the neocons out. Probably gonna fail.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just be honest, like, probably gonna fail. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>reasons that you might want to do that, like if

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<v Speaker 2>you're if you're negotiating, and if you're interested in peace,

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<v Speaker 2>just so you could say I'm better than this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to deal with this guy, you can deal

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<v Speaker 2>with me this is what Trump said was the silver

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<v Speaker 2>lining of having John Bolton around. You know, more puritanical

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<v Speaker 2>libertarians go, that's bullshit. Screw John Bolton. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>him anywhere. I don't want him anywhere around them either.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do understand from a businessman negotiating standpoint like that,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a rationale there that does make sense. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to negotiate peace with me? Because I got

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<v Speaker 2>John Bolton on the other line and we can go

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<v Speaker 2>We can go the hard way if you like. Like

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<v Speaker 2>in geopolitics, there is there is some some value to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously my preference would be Colonel Douglas McGregor, like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's who I actually want as Secretary of Defense, or

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<v Speaker 2>to have to deal with option A out of a

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<v Speaker 2>list of BCD being apocalyptic. Sorry, like, someone's got to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you the truth. That's what politics is in this

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<v Speaker 2>current iteration. We are trying to move them five ten percent,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen percent closer to us, and therefore move there electorate

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<v Speaker 2>us too, which I think has already happened to a

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<v Speaker 2>loge extent. And then you move it again another ten

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<v Speaker 2>to fifteen percent two years from now, and another ten

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen percent two years from now, like you have to

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<v Speaker 2>this little you know, delayed gratification, low time preference, if

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<v Speaker 2>is this is actually how you how you make progress.

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<v Speaker 2>And to get back to my very bold claim that

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Dave Smith is on the cusp of

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<v Speaker 2>surpassing Ron Paul in terms of accomplishments. Doctor Paul made

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<v Speaker 2>his name by being doctor No. He voted no against everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and he passed very little. And I appreciate him for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's a legend for it, Like that's the truth

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<v Speaker 2>he is. He's an absolute fucking legend for it, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's a saint. But in terms of like passing legislation,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't pass much. Most of the stuff he authored

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<v Speaker 2>never got passed. And the Fed, you know, audit to

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<v Speaker 2>fed like it didn't happen. Okay, we have an opportunity,

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<v Speaker 2>through Dave and our little orbit of influencers whatever I'm

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<v Speaker 2>part of here, to genuinely influence policy on a federal

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<v Speaker 2>level that gets implemented, not just ideas, not just words,

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<v Speaker 2>not just hearts and minds, but actually changing policy at

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<v Speaker 2>the federal level, doing it with a microphone and nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a singular no vote in Congress, as Ron Paul did,

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<v Speaker 2>and God bless him for it, but just talking and

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<v Speaker 2>convincing enough millions of people over a forty eight hour

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<v Speaker 2>period and then getting the son's president to quote treat

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<v Speaker 2>you saying I'm on it, no neo cons That is

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<v Speaker 2>enough to actually change some of the cabinet appointments that

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<v Speaker 2>will be in positions of extreme importance in Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet in his orbit. Like that is huge, huge progress

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<v Speaker 2>for us, and I think people are sleeping on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, Like, does it mean that we will accomplish it?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Does it mean that we will accomplish all of it? Definitely?

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<v Speaker 2>Not Like we're definitely not going to get everything we want,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a fact. But we have a chance to get

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<v Speaker 2>some things that we want when we've gotten nothing. Ever. Ever,

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<v Speaker 2>you see why that's an improvement. I hope this logic

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<v Speaker 2>checks out for you guys, because I think I'm right.

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<v Speaker 2>We've never gotten shit ever. They've never even thought to

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<v Speaker 2>try and pander to us because we were so fucking unimportant.

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<v Speaker 2>They never gave us anything. They never gave us, they

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<v Speaker 2>never lied to us. Even they were just like, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't matter. We matter now. They came to our convention,

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<v Speaker 2>but veg Grandma saw me, who's running for president, debated me.

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<v Speaker 2>For God's sakes, we definitely matter. RFK Junior was there,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump was there. They want us to vote for them,

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<v Speaker 2>They want our support. That means that our voices matter now.

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<v Speaker 2>Our voices matter when it comes to his approval ratings,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to how the whole MAGA world and

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<v Speaker 2>community response. And it's not just us, it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>the Libertarians. There are genuine Trump supporters that are fucking

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<v Speaker 2>furious about Marco Rubio secretary of State, or as John

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<v Speaker 2>Thune as the head of the Senate. Like they are

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<v Speaker 2>not that different from us. They don't want enlist wars,

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<v Speaker 2>they want the government to be cut back. They want

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutions and genuine investigations into the lockdown era. They do

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<v Speaker 2>so we can work with them as imperfect as they

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<v Speaker 2>are and we are, I might add. Or we can

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<v Speaker 2>just say we're better than you, we're more pure, and

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<v Speaker 2>we can get fucking nothing done. Ever you choose, you

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<v Speaker 2>get to be more pure than me. Congrats, I offer

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<v Speaker 2>you that. I offer you a more pure voting record

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<v Speaker 2>than I have now I have now voted for a

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<v Speaker 2>winning president. It feels strange. I'll be the first to

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<v Speaker 2>admit it, and it's going to be not even close

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<v Speaker 2>to my ideals, but I am not giving up. This

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<v Speaker 2>is very early days, and yes, his cabinet matters tremendously,

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<v Speaker 2>but he also was the least militaristic president in my lifetime,

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<v Speaker 2>and he did that with John Psycho, bloodsoaked monster Bolton

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<v Speaker 2>in his cabinet. So just because he's appointing Mark or

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<v Speaker 2>Rubio does not mean reportedly it looks like that may

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<v Speaker 2>be false, as I said earlier, But just because he's

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<v Speaker 2>appointing Mark Rubio to Secretary of State, or if he does,

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<v Speaker 2>that does not necessarily mean that he will not deliver

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<v Speaker 2>on his promises. Now, if he fails, if he actually

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<v Speaker 2>starts a war, well, yeah, obviously this has all been

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<v Speaker 2>a ruse and they have used us, they've used me.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're one of the pure ones that didn't vote

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<v Speaker 2>for him, okay, I'll admit that, Like I'm totally fine

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<v Speaker 2>with that. But until that happens, I'm going to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to use my influence to try and sway him and

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<v Speaker 2>them and his orbit as much and as hard as

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<v Speaker 2>I possibly can, because that's that's what matters right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about oh, I'm better than you. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do this. That's not what it's about. It's about can

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<v Speaker 2>we get them ten, fifteen to twenty percent better? I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can. Don't stop, make your voices heard. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>just be blackpilled and give up and odds just the

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<v Speaker 2>duopoly and they okay, yeah, look, maybe you'll end up

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<v Speaker 2>being right, But until you are for sure, it's still

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<v Speaker 2>worth voicing your preferences, your concerns, what you want to see.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you these people are paying attention, serious attention

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<v Speaker 2>to what we want. It was going to be Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Pompeo and Nikki Haley. It is not the because of us,

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<v Speaker 2>not me, all of us. If we continue to lend

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<v Speaker 2>our voices in unison to demand improvements in his cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>we will get improvements. It will not be perfect, but

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<v Speaker 2>it will be better. And if that's something that you

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<v Speaker 2>would like to strive towards, I welcome you, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that you will lend your voice in support of

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<v Speaker 2>mine and we can actually get after it because we

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<v Speaker 2>ain't got much time left. We are on the cusp

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty trillion in national debt. It is a stone's throwaway,

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<v Speaker 2>very very close. We happen to also be in multiple

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have fucking time to waste. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>time to do this purity spiral bullshit. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>actually stop World War III. Do I have to explain

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<v Speaker 2>how important that is? I shouldn't. I shouldn't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my mind frame, that's my outlook. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to express it as direct to you as I possibly

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<v Speaker 2>could so that I could stop with the look. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be Rubio, Look, how fucking stupid you. I like

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<v Speaker 2>these these tweets that I'm getting from people. It's like, God, really,

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<v Speaker 2>is that what matters to you? Like? Are you are

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<v Speaker 2>you more happy that I was wrong then you are

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<v Speaker 2>upset that Marco Rubio might be the Secretary of State,

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<v Speaker 2>like what are your priorities? Like? I think that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>really what people ought to be asking themselves, Like what

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<v Speaker 2>are you prioritize? Do you want to be right and pure?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do you want to stop World War three? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to stop the national debt implosion that's imminent

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<v Speaker 2>and the confettiing of our dollar? What do you what's

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<v Speaker 2>your actual end goal here? That's what everybody ought to

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<v Speaker 2>be asking themselves. Are you in this to actually improve

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<v Speaker 2>the world? Yeah, I am. I know. I'm just one

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<v Speaker 2>dude speaking into a microphone. It seems fucking far fetched.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Smith is just one dude speaking into a microphone,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is changing the fucking world. And he cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be alone in that fight. And I will not let

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<v Speaker 2>him be alone in that fight. And you shouldn't either.

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<v Speaker 2>We should all be fucking circling the wagons. Get after it.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an opportunity here. Don't let it fucking slip

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<v Speaker 2>through your fingers with some puritanical, nonsensical spiraling. It's fucking stupid,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a waste your time. I promise you. I did

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<v Speaker 2>it for a long time. I did it for most

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<v Speaker 2>best opportunity we've ever had. Let's see what we can

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<v Speaker 2>make of it. That's all I'm asking. All Right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get in my interview with the great Tom Woods. He

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<v Speaker 2>has the Tom Woods Show. He's written a dozen books

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<v Speaker 2>or something crazy amount. I've read three of them. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a great guy, absolute wealth of knowledge. If you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the Tom Woods Show, you ought to be subscribed

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<v Speaker 2>to it. If you don't know Tom Woods, well you're

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<v Speaker 2>about to find out, guys. Brilliant. We get into the

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<v Speaker 2>tariff's argument because I wanted to basically use him as

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<v Speaker 2>a sounding board or a soundboard to bounce my ideas

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<v Speaker 2>off of him as to like, is this feasible? Could

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<v Speaker 2>we actually reply the income tax with tariffs? I'll save

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, we should probably make a video you me

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<v Speaker 4>and Dave Vig.

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<v Speaker 2>We love you. Don't make us change, don't don't break

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<v Speaker 2>my heart for it. I can't handle it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I know, I know we could.

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<v Speaker 4>We could sing yeah to the tune of Don't Go

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<v Speaker 4>Break in My Heart by Elton John and Kid.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's see, all libertarians oppose taxation. Tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>are a tax, and therefore libertarians oppose tariffs. I have

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<v Speaker 2>I have never really given serious thought to tariffs because

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<v Speaker 2>they are taxes, and I'm just like, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like taxes, and I haven't dug much deeper than that. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I've I've read some of our greats in this this arena,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's kind of the depth of my knowledge. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>much more in the Fed policy, interest rate policy lane

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously Donald Trump made major news by talking about

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps which is unlikely to happen, but perhaps getting rid

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<v Speaker 2>of the income tax and moving to a tariff based

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<v Speaker 2>tax a lah the late eighteen hundreds. He said this

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<v Speaker 2>on the Joe Rogan Experience. So today I have on

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<v Speaker 2>the great Tom Woods to tell me why tariffs in

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<v Speaker 2>any form are bad, or perhaps if this is a

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<v Speaker 2>workable plan. So what do you what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>In Tom?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Okay, first of all, if I really felt like

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<v Speaker 4>I was being presented with a plan whereby we would

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<v Speaker 4>ditch income taxation, and replace it with tariffs.

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<v Speaker 5>And I knew for a fact that that was what

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<v Speaker 5>was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I could, I would probably be on board for that.

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<v Speaker 4>I would consider that a marginal improvement, you know. And

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<v Speaker 4>you may think that my reasons are self interested or unconvincing,

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<v Speaker 4>but for one thing, I feel like I, as an individual,

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<v Speaker 4>I would have much much less imposition on my time

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<v Speaker 4>and labor in preparing taxes, and I would have far

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<v Speaker 4>less rusion into the my you know, into my privacy

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<v Speaker 4>and private life and where I'm earning my income and

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<v Speaker 4>all the different sources and having to track every last thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And I would rather avoid that if I could.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, there are limits to how high tariffs can go,

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<v Speaker 4>because eventually they get so high that they become protective tariffs. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>for for some Trumpers, that's a that's a feature, not

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<v Speaker 4>a bug, that's the goal. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>products people do want to buy, and if you try

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<v Speaker 4>to levy one hundred percent tariff on them, yeah, they'll

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<v Speaker 4>very reluctantly buy the domestic version. But that's not a

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<v Speaker 4>long term strategy. I mean, you're not going to become

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<v Speaker 4>competitive on the world stage by doing that. You're you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to encourage your domestic industry to be inefficient and lousy.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, So, but the whole point of this thing is,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, I don't believe that's what would happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what would happen is we would still have

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<v Speaker 4>income taxation, and then we would also have a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of tariffs on top of that, which I think is

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<v Speaker 4>practically speaking, what's more likely to happen, which is why

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<v Speaker 4>I would be concerned about it. Now I come to you, Clint,

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<v Speaker 4>not as somebody somebody who has TDS. You know that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not somebody who automatically rejects something just because Trump

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<v Speaker 4>recommends it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not one of those people.

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<v Speaker 2>But I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't like the tariff stuff, even though I will say

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<v Speaker 4>that the main reason I've argued against I argue against

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<v Speaker 4>tariffs is really the main libertarian reason, which is that

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<v Speaker 4>it's a destructive thing to do to the economy.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll get to that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>But there are other arguments that I don't address directly.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I suppose I could, and I have addressed

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<v Speaker 4>on the Tom Wood Show, like it's better for us

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<v Speaker 4>not to be dependent on potentially hostile forces, for necessities

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<v Speaker 4>in case of a war, and so it's good for

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<v Speaker 4>us to be self sufficient. Or another argument is we

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<v Speaker 4>can use the threat of in effect closing American markets

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<v Speaker 4>to force recalcitrant trade partners to liberalize their policies so

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<v Speaker 4>as to allow Americans to sell more to them. And now,

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<v Speaker 4>now that's a different argument from we're going to use

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<v Speaker 4>tariffs to save American manufacturing. That was really the main

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<v Speaker 4>thing we were told was the virtue of these things

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<v Speaker 4>that will save American manufacturing with them. Now it's interesting

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<v Speaker 4>our friend Gene Epstein, who is the who runs the

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<v Speaker 4>SOHO Forum in New York and he moderates debates. He

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<v Speaker 4>participated in a debate at the SOHO Forum with economist

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<v Speaker 4>Stephen Moore. And Steve Moore worked with Trump for a

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<v Speaker 4>little while in the White House, and Moore is a

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<v Speaker 4>free trader, no doubt about it. But he was arguing

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<v Speaker 4>in that debate that actually Trump could very well wind

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<v Speaker 4>up doing more good than harm with his particular with tariffs,

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<v Speaker 4>because he was using them, he said, as leverage to

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<v Speaker 4>get other countries to open up to American exports. And

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<v Speaker 4>he said, now, initially I went in there as a

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<v Speaker 4>free trade purist, and I said, you're full of it

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<v Speaker 4>and this is all wrong. But then I observed with

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<v Speaker 4>my own eyes that it was a useful negotiating tool.

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<v Speaker 4>So again, so that is that's a strategic question we

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<v Speaker 4>can argue with back and forth. But it's worth noting

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<v Speaker 4>that when Jane tried arguing against that, he actually lost

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<v Speaker 4>the debate. I don't know if Jane's going to listen

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<v Speaker 4>to this episode, Clint, but he lost that debate. Steve

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<v Speaker 4>Moore won that debate in front of basically an audience

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<v Speaker 4>of libertarians. But my main concern is I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a false promise. I don't think you're going to save

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<v Speaker 4>American manufacturing this way. But secondly, I think I understand

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<v Speaker 4>why people have a kind of a nostalgic attachment to

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<v Speaker 4>manufacturing because they think, well, that means we're making things,

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<v Speaker 4>and I know that make things is better than not

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<v Speaker 4>making things. But at this point, manufacturing amounts to seven

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<v Speaker 4>percent of all jobs in the US. Now, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>that's a small number. It used to be thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would just start with, we have to explain

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<v Speaker 4>why this fetish for just this seven percent of the

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<v Speaker 4>economy that we would want to rearrange everything in order

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<v Speaker 4>to accommodate simply that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and then I'll give you one. I'll let you

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<v Speaker 5>jump in a second. I know it's your own.

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<v Speaker 2>Show, but no, please.

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<v Speaker 4>If I don't finish this point, I'm gonna forget it,

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<v Speaker 4>which is that there's other manufacturing though that would be

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<v Speaker 4>hurt by tariffs that are supposed to protect manufacturing. So,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, I gave the example in a recent post

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<v Speaker 4>on x in which I said, it's true that you

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<v Speaker 4>could perhaps save some jobs in the steel industry by

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<v Speaker 4>putting a high tariff on imported steel. There are one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and forty thousand jobs in the steel industry, and

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<v Speaker 4>you could very well say, see, look those jobs are

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<v Speaker 4>still there, and why because of this terrif I implemented.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem with that is apart from the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>it's not making American steel competitive to give it this

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<v Speaker 4>kind of special advantage. But the real issue is there

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<v Speaker 4>are two million American jobs that involve manufacturing that requires

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<v Speaker 4>steel as one of its inputs, and now suddenly all

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<v Speaker 4>these firms have to deal with a sudden artificial rise

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<v Speaker 4>in the price of steel, and this will harm the

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<v Speaker 4>marginal producers and the employees of these marginal firms will

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<v Speaker 4>lose their jobs, but nobody will know that that's why

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<v Speaker 4>they lost their jobs.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm looking on the name of statistics.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm blinking on the end of the economists. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you'll remember the scene versus the unseen with Frederick Bastiat Basia.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the unseen example. Yeah, the unseen are

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<v Speaker 2>the jobs that you lose on the inside on the

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<v Speaker 2>inverse of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, exactly, because what's seen is, of course, we can

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<v Speaker 4>see with our physical eyes the jobs that are quote

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<v Speaker 4>unquote protected by these tariffs. But what we we have

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<v Speaker 4>to see with our mind's eye because our physical eyes

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<v Speaker 4>fail us. Here are the other jobs that would be lost,

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<v Speaker 4>but that won't be ear marked in the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, these steel jobs were earmarked by the tariff,

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<v Speaker 4>and we know that they're going to get special protection,

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<v Speaker 4>But who knows about all these other jobs that are

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<v Speaker 4>just spread out throughout the economy. That'll just be some

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<v Speaker 4>inexplicable rise in unemployment that nobody can account for.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean the way the the BLS does employment

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<v Speaker 2>statistics these days, all of the jobs are unseen because

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<v Speaker 2>they I mean they just continue to manipulate the figures

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<v Speaker 2>to confuse everything. But all right, so I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna steal man some oppositional points because I have actually

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<v Speaker 2>made this argument on my show, not knowing about gene

599
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<v Speaker 2>Epstein's experience debating this topic, that I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>if we're going to advocate on behalf of a free market, well,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it make sense to use whatever leverage we have

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<v Speaker 2>to try and beat down oppositional tariffs, tariffs that are

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<v Speaker 2>on our goods that we're exporting to people. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at Europe, if you look at much

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<v Speaker 2>of the world, you have extraordinary tariffs that are levied

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<v Speaker 2>against American products which make it completely uncompetitive for us

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<v Speaker 2>to export our goods. There. On the flip of that,

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<v Speaker 2>we import a ton of their goods, so they want

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<v Speaker 2>to sell into our market. It seems very likely that

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<v Speaker 2>they would relent and they would drop their tariffs in

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<v Speaker 2>order for us to be able to export some of

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<v Speaker 2>our goods and to compete a little bit more readily.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that not advocating, Yes, it's using state power. But

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<v Speaker 2>is it because we're already dealing with state intervention in

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<v Speaker 2>the tariffs that exist from our oppositional side. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>not kind of getting us into a better place to

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<v Speaker 2>have a nego shating a chip that the President can

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<v Speaker 2>go sit down with Emmanuel McCrone and say, hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do this, but Champagne is now tariffed

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<v Speaker 2>unless you you drop the tariffs on American auto automobiles

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<v Speaker 2>for instance.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, now, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't dispute that. It's it's conceivable that that could

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<v Speaker 4>work out. But it's also conceivable that a trade war

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<v Speaker 4>can go on for an extended period of time, that

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<v Speaker 4>it can actually go on for years, and in the

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<v Speaker 4>past sometimes has gone on for years, and then then

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<v Speaker 4>we have a problem. And I should also note this

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<v Speaker 4>is especially acute at a time when consumer prices are rising.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you may say that the rate at which they

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<v Speaker 4>are rising is lower than it was a year and

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<v Speaker 4>a half ago or something, but they're still rising faster

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<v Speaker 4>than we'd like, and people are complaining about this.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you're not.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no way you're going to reverse that by imposing

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<v Speaker 4>a tariff on the inputs that everybody needs to use

637
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 4>to produce their goods. That's that's not going to We

638
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 4>want to get the most inexpensive inputs we can. So

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<v Speaker 4>even if there's a country that is being stupidly belligerent

640
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<v Speaker 4>in their trade policy, if the result of it is

641
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<v Speaker 4>we get inexpensive inputs for our manufacturing here.

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<v Speaker 5>Why don't we just take them?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that there's a pretty good argument for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Why don't we just take those inexpensive inputs rather than say, well,

646
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<v Speaker 4>maybe two years from now, I'll force them to back down.

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<v Speaker 4>It's another two years of people having to deal with

648
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<v Speaker 4>rising prices. I'd rather get low cost inputs now sure,

649
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<v Speaker 4>rather than gamble on well, how good of a negotiating

650
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<v Speaker 4>stance will our trade negotiators have?

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<v Speaker 5>I you know, I don't. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I think that the the My concern

653
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<v Speaker 2>is that, you know, the statistics that you brought up earlier,

654
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<v Speaker 2>that it used to be thirty something thirty seven percent

655
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 2>or whatever it was that was manufacturing jobs, and now

656
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>it's down to single digits. It's like, well, that is

657
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the argument for tariffs. I mean, that's that's what Trump

658
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<v Speaker 2>is going to argue, is that, hey, the reason that

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<v Speaker 2>that we're getting our lunch eaten is because they are

660
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<v Speaker 2>protecting their industries and we're not protecting ours. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they're going to say to you. So what

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<v Speaker 2>would you respond to, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, manufacturing is also falling in China, it falls everywhere

664
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<v Speaker 4>because of productivity improvements. So we don't need as many

665
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<v Speaker 4>physical people doing it. So it's the same process that

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<v Speaker 4>occurred in agriculture. We don't need ninety eight percent of

667
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<v Speaker 4>the public to be engaged in agriculture, and so we

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<v Speaker 4>have For example, I understand that we think of manufacturing

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<v Speaker 4>as being the backbone of the middle class that you

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<v Speaker 4>get you can have a good middle class income in manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 4>But the thing is, there are huge swaths of the

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<v Speaker 4>American economy where you can earn as much or more

673
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<v Speaker 4>in construction. We have something like seven million construction jobs,

674
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<v Speaker 4>and they generally pay better than in manufacturing. But for

675
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<v Speaker 4>some reason, there's we don't have this weird attachment to

676
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 4>those jobs even though they're buying large better jobs. Or

677
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 4>the household sector has at least six million in jobs

678
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 4>that pay better. We have a million jobs in oil

679
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 4>and gas extraction, same thing. And we have probably fifty

680
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 4>plus million people who are in management positions or professional

681
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.599
<v Speaker 4>occupations that are in the non manufacturing part of the

682
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.800
<v Speaker 4>private sector. They're all earning at least middle class income.

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<v Speaker 4>So for seventy five years, the share of the US

684
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<v Speaker 4>economy devoted to manufacturing has been declining, regardless of what

685
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.480
<v Speaker 4>the trade policy has been, regardless of what domestic policy,

686
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 4>we've had, none of it. It's like trying to stop

687
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 4>COVID with a mask. It's going to just do its

688
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 4>thing regardless of what you do, because it's just natural,

689
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 4>just the way the way life works. So are we

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<v Speaker 4>going to impose what I think harms us? It certainly

691
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.440
<v Speaker 4>harms consumers, and it harms a whole lot of unnamed

692
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 4>people in employment. For you know, on behalf of a

693
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<v Speaker 4>seven percent that has been declining through benign forces for

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<v Speaker 4>three quarters of a century.

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<v Speaker 2>really compelling argument. Let me give you one more oppositional

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<v Speaker 2>argument and see what you think about it, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is one that I've thought about myself, that that yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you that as you go through the

713
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<v Speaker 2>industrialization process, eventually you move into more of a service

714
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<v Speaker 2>based economy or creation economy as opposed to just you know,

715
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<v Speaker 2>nuts and bolts type of stuff. And but because the

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<v Speaker 2>US dollar has the reserve currency the status reserve currency

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<v Speaker 2>status via the cantal On effect, essentially like you're always

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<v Speaker 2>going to have if you are the reserve currency country,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to have maximal purchasing power from the US

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<v Speaker 2>dollar domestically. Let me pause there and just ask you

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that's accurate? First off, that because we

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<v Speaker 2>have the printing price and we have access to the

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<v Speaker 2>dollars first and at the lowest interest rates. Mostly you

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<v Speaker 2>would assume that that, in fact, inflationary pressures are felt

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<v Speaker 2>globally worse than they are felt domestically or.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think they're lower domestically than they would be

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<v Speaker 4>otherwise we'll say that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the reason I bring that up is that if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to maintain the reserve currency status, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to me that you are basically expediting the hollowing out

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<v Speaker 2>of the kind of middle class America. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>middle class has been synonymous with industry. It doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be. It probably shouldn't at this point, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>how a lot of people view it. And I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>concerned that, Like I think the libertarian answer here is, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't be the reserve currency. Any of the deleitarious

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<v Speaker 2>consequences that come from that, you know, beneficial position, or

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<v Speaker 2>just the price you pay to be that that you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to now borrow and spend more than any other

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<v Speaker 2>country on earth. Deal with the consequences of that. But

742
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 2>for the middle class in this country, they're looking at it,

743
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<v Speaker 2>they don't think in these this.

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<v Speaker 5>Realm at all.

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00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we're being honest, like they're not going

746
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 2>to think about any of this higher level stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that it's kind of inevitable that if

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<v Speaker 2>you are the US, like if you are the global

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00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.960
<v Speaker 2>reserve currency, that you are essentially going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>this position where almost everything gets produced outside of your

751
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<v Speaker 2>land mass. I know that was a very complicated question,

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<v Speaker 2>but I hope it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure that that has to follow, but I

754
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 4>would have to. I would have to sit down and

755
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 4>plot that one out. I'm not sure it has to

756
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 4>follow that that in the in an arrangement where you

757
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.360
<v Speaker 4>have a fiat currency that operates as a reserve currency,

758
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 4>and it just means that it's a in practical terms,

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<v Speaker 4>it means that it's widely used or it's used in

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of places, and it is it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>accepted and used in a lot of international transactions because

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00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.079
<v Speaker 4>it is noted for its stability compared to others.

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00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 2>But seventy percent of global trade is US dollars from

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<v Speaker 2>what I've read, right, So it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>But I it could just be my inability to comprehend

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<v Speaker 4>all this, But I don't think that necessarily even if

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00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 4>it did lead to that outcome, then I still feel

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<v Speaker 4>like I feel like once you understand how a market

769
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<v Speaker 4>economy works, you realize that every time there's an attempt

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<v Speaker 4>to manipulate it, to shift it around, to try to

771
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 4>stop this what is perceived to be an undesirable phenomenon

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<v Speaker 4>from occurring, that you're basically playing whack a mole because

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<v Speaker 4>every one of these things that you hit winds up

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<v Speaker 4>creating another problem that wasn't there before. And then you

775
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 4>hit that problem, and then there's another problem. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm talking about with regard to the use of tariffs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand, for example, that there's already intervention in the

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<v Speaker 4>global economy and that there are other countries that have

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<v Speaker 4>tariffs that are interrupting the free flow of international trade,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we want to whack that mole. But the

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00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 4>problem is then we wind it turns out that we're

782
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<v Speaker 4>actually harming ourselves, and not just because of likely trade retaliation, which,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, in I know it's fashionable these days

784
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<v Speaker 4>to say the smooth Hawley tariff work. The trade retaliation

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<v Speaker 4>against that was widespread and in a huge number of

786
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<v Speaker 4>industries it was. It was not a minor thing. But

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<v Speaker 4>even if we didn't get any of that, somehow we

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00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.079
<v Speaker 4>miraculously avoid that, we still have the problem of we're

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<v Speaker 4>crippling ourselves by artificially propping up certain prices in the

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<v Speaker 4>US economy of things we need to produce the consumer

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<v Speaker 4>goods whose high prices we are all complaining about. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, no matter what we do, every mole we

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<v Speaker 4>hit pops up another.

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<v Speaker 2>One another way.

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<v Speaker 4>So I feel like even if we try to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>even if, as you're suggesting, you could come up with

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<v Speaker 4>a scenario that well, because of the United States unique position,

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<v Speaker 4>it needs to impose this policy. The policy, it seems

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<v Speaker 4>to me, seems self defeating, and so that for every

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<v Speaker 4>problem it seems like it solves, it's creating three problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I understand that logic. That does make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sense to me. It's just I'm I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to get rid of the income text,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm I'm trying to figure out a way that

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<v Speaker 2>this makes more sense. And you know, I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that it probably would be preferable just for privacy purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said earlier, Yeah, I would rather have it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I mean from my understanding, our GDP,

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<v Speaker 2>or like, our total consumption is somewhere around thirty trillion

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<v Speaker 2>in America and only ten percent of that is actually imported. Good.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you could truly get rid of the income

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<v Speaker 2>tax and replace it just with tariffs on that that

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<v Speaker 2>ten percent of total consumption in America, well that seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a trade off worth making. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>you could actually do that because you need to bring

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<v Speaker 2>in I mean, the way they're spending right now, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to bring in three four, five six trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>worth of taxes through tariffs.

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<v Speaker 5>Good luck issue like.

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<v Speaker 2>Ain't happening, brothers. So you got to cut the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you could actually get back to a tariff's based,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, funding model. But we're nowhere near what size

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<v Speaker 2>of government we were in the late eighteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 5>So and that's what the problem is.

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<v Speaker 4>That that's why we can't unfortunately we can't immediately do this,

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<v Speaker 4>is that we're going to try to do it while

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<v Speaker 4>still wanting to maintain the spending level that we have now.

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<v Speaker 4>They were able to do it in the eighteen hundreds because,

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<v Speaker 4>as Ron Paul would say, they had a different philosophy

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<v Speaker 4>of government back.

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<v Speaker 5>Then exactly, and yeah, they would not be.

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<v Speaker 4>And the way tariffs work is that if you think,

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<v Speaker 4>well we're not generating enough revenue, we'll just raise them.

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<v Speaker 5>The more you raise them.

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<v Speaker 4>The less people, you know, the less likely people are

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<v Speaker 4>to pay them, because they will look for alternatives to

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<v Speaker 4>the taxed goods.

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<v Speaker 5>And so if you you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, whereas it's a Laffer curve of tariffs.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a Laffer curve of tariffs with income text.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you can go higher and hire and hire,

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<v Speaker 4>and people do still they keep working because they want

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00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 4>money in general, but I don't need that particular kind

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00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:45.360
<v Speaker 4>of car. So I could just absolutely cut that out entirely,

845
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.320
<v Speaker 4>and then where are they They can't make, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>so maybe they could put a ten percent tariff for

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<v Speaker 4>a twenty or thirty, but once they get to forty

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<v Speaker 4>fifty sixty, thinking they're going to get more money, they're not.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think the Laffer curve, as we're calling it

850
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<v Speaker 4>for international trade would say that probably appears much faster

851
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<v Speaker 4>than it does with the income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense to me. All right, do you have a

853
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>few more minutes? I got to ask you one more thing. Yeah,

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00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>that's anything you want, all right, so I'm sure you

855
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>saw the the quote tweet from the President Alex's son

856
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of our good friend, mister Davey Smith, that happened yesterday,

857
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to flow a concept past you and

858
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.639
<v Speaker 2>I I just knowing you as well as I do

859
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:28.280
<v Speaker 2>at this point, I have a feeling you've been thinking

860
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. First Off, it's unrecking, believably cool that

861
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:37.480
<v Speaker 2>this is happening. It's so it's so novel to just

862
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 2>see like a guy I know really well. I got

863
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>to talk to Don Junior for an hour out in

864
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Iowa before I ROL started Josie and I did. I

865
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>got to talk to the guy. I talked to him

866
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.679
<v Speaker 2>about a bunch of stuff that it was off the record,

867
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 2>so I won't give details. But he's not too far

868
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.360
<v Speaker 2>away from us. I know people won't believe me. They'll

869
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.599
<v Speaker 2>think I've sold out or whatever. Like, No, this dude

870
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 2>is pretty red pilled.

871
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm pretty I've been reasonably impressed with him, from

872
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 4>which I've been able to glean.

873
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and I'm telling you off off the record,

874
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 2>off the mic, he is even more one of us,

875
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Like I really like him a lot. So anyway, setting

876
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>that aside, what I was thinking to myself is like

877
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>doctor Ron Paul, the Great Ron Paul, the legend himself.

878
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.400
<v Speaker 2>He is, he made his name by being doctor No,

879
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 2>by basically not getting much past but just saying no

880
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.239
<v Speaker 2>to everything and holding the line, so to speak. But

881
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 2>almost the government, you know, grew tremendously during his tenure.

882
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel as if we are seeing a new iteration

883
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>of Ron Paul in Dave Smith through a microphone, not

884
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>through wielding hard power of a vote in Congress, but

885
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 2>rather through soft power of just being influential. And I'm

886
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>not sure that Dave won't actually be able to get

887
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 2>more done than Ron Paul did in Congress for decades.

888
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just thinking, what are your thoughts on that?

889
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Am I am? I totally swinging out of my shoes

890
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>ears that does that seem like a possible at this point?

891
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:03.360
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll say this.

892
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 4>He is on every large program. I mean, he's just

893
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 4>been on everything. He's been on everything you'd want to

894
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.880
<v Speaker 4>be on. He's been on, and everybody likes him. I

895
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 4>mean everybody, every host of these shows loves having Dave

896
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 4>Smith on because they know it'll be entertaining and interesting

897
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.599
<v Speaker 4>and that yeah, he'll sound kind of like some of

898
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.840
<v Speaker 4>the Trump people they have on, but not entirely, and

899
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 4>he'll be way different on in areas where the hosts

900
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.639
<v Speaker 4>themselves feel like Dave's probably the one who's right here

901
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 4>and to watch him. He's he's good at it. He's

902
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.679
<v Speaker 4>good at it too. I mean I think that's you know,

903
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 4>we can't discount that. It's not happen never dance. Yeah,

904
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's not happenstance that this has happened. I

905
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:50.119
<v Speaker 4>mean he's really good and also he's funny and engaging,

906
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 4>and he knows the details too, Like he really spends

907
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.239
<v Speaker 4>time learning the material. So if he's going to do

908
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.400
<v Speaker 4>a debate, you know the other side, I better be

909
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 4>ready because Dave is.

910
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Ready, As is always the case. Liberty Lockdown is brought

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<v Speaker 2>they love me and I love them, and it's just mutual,

919
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921
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<v Speaker 2>on the arguably maybe not the largest, but one of

927
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.639
<v Speaker 2>the largest live streams during the presidential election. He then

928
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>catches a red eye, gets on Info Wars with Alex

929
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Jones the next day, and then that night is on

930
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 2>with Joe Rogan, the largest show in the world, I mean,

931
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 2>in a in a forty eight hour period, he reaches

932
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, twenty something million people, and then he's

933
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:06.880
<v Speaker 2>getting quote tweeted by the son of the President of the

934
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>United States the next day, and then he's basically galvanizing

935
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>is what you would think would not be our movement,

936
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>but kind of is. At this point where he's saying, hey,

937
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.679
<v Speaker 2>it's fantastic that Haley and POMPEII are kept out. That's

938
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 2>not enough. And then Don Junior is just like, I

939
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 2>got you, brother, We're we're going way harder than this.

940
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, this is a fucking legendary run. Excuse

941
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 2>my language, but this is a seventy two hour stretch

942
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>that pales in comparison anything I've ever seen. And I'm

943
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>just sitting here like this is miraculous. I mean, Dave

944
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>had the opportunity to easily get the nomination and run

945
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:41.960
<v Speaker 2>for president, but it's so crystal clear that this was

946
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.360
<v Speaker 2>the better route to go that his influence has grown

947
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>far more, in my opinion, than had he run for

948
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the presidency. And I might add, had he ran, there's

949
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 2>a decent chance that Kamala Harris is the president of

950
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.679
<v Speaker 2>the United States right now. So how do you like

951
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>all that?

952
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I agree with every single thing you said. That

953
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 4>A lot of us were disappointed when he didn't run,

954
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 4>but it turned out to be the best decision he

955
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 4>could have made. And not to mention, uh, he has

956
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 4>a lot of things to say that that people on

957
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 4>the right need to hear. Now, everybody needs to hear.

958
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.320
<v Speaker 4>People on the right need to be corrected on some

959
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 4>of their you know, some of their problematic I hate

960
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 4>using the word problem ditch that word on some of

961
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.320
<v Speaker 4>their incorrect views. And he is a really good guy

962
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 4>to correct them because he's not lecturing them, he's not

963
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 4>calling them names like they'll listen to a guy like

964
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Dave Smith, and that's really important.

965
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<v Speaker 5>And he wouldn't have been able to do that.

966
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.239
<v Speaker 4>If he had run, let's say he'd run on the

967
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 4>Libertarian Party ticket. He would have got enough attention that

968
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 4>Trump would have given him a name, you know, one

969
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:43.840
<v Speaker 4>of those nicknames like Lil Marco or whatever, and that

970
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 4>would have stuck with him for uh, Dave right, And

971
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.400
<v Speaker 4>then that would have stuck with him. It would have

972
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.599
<v Speaker 4>been impossible from that moment on for him ever to

973
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<v Speaker 4>crack into a world that needs to hear what he.

974
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<v Speaker 5>Has to say.

975
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<v Speaker 4>And you may have noticed that, Bill Kristal, you remember

976
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 4>the guy. I now think of Bill Crystal, not as

977
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 4>the publisher of the old Weekly Standard or the frequent

978
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.199
<v Speaker 4>cable TV news commentator, but as the guy who lost

979
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:13.360
<v Speaker 4>a debate to Scott Wharton.

980
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 5>I think of him that way too.

981
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:21.039
<v Speaker 4>Bill Crystal pounced when Donald Trump Junior quote tweeted Dave

982
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 4>and pointed out.

983
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:26.159
<v Speaker 5>Oh, well, look at Dave three months ago he was

984
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:28.280
<v Speaker 5>anti Israel or some stupid thing like that.

985
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 4>And the response to that was overwhelming, Like, Bill, your

986
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 4>day is over.

987
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:37.880
<v Speaker 5>Bill, it's over.

988
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 4>Like no one cares about what You don't even get

989
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.840
<v Speaker 4>invited on MSNBC anymore, Like no one even cares about

990
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 4>your neo con views. So Bill's post criticizing Dave got

991
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:52.800
<v Speaker 4>something like two hundred and fifty likes. Dave responded and

992
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:56.639
<v Speaker 4>get thirty eight thousands, like Bill, it's over.

993
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 5>Okay, you're the crank.

994
00:52:57.920 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Now, it's a new era.

995
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's right, we're dictating the agenda now, not you, Bill,

996
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 4>We're cleaning up the mess you made.

997
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.639
<v Speaker 2>It's it's truly, it's truly amazing. I think for the

998
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.400
<v Speaker 2>younger libertarians out there that feel like this is normal,

999
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:16.559
<v Speaker 2>this is not normal. We are kicking the shit out

1000
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.400
<v Speaker 2>of neo cons in public in their territory. Not only that,

1001
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.320
<v Speaker 2>but all of the conservative thought leaders, like the real

1002
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 2>conservative thought leaders, the Tucker Carl Since the Candice Owns. Oh,

1003
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:28.880
<v Speaker 2>they're all personal friends with Dave Smith at this point,

1004
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and they all sound almost exactly like him when it

1005
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.519
<v Speaker 2>comes to foreign policy, Like really really close. So I just,

1006
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 2>I just I think I've I've struggled to deal with

1007
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 2>the amount of optimism that I've had over the past week.

1008
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I have never in my life been so hopeful and

1009
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>optimistic about politics in my lifetime, and it's like it

1010
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm so accustomed to being pessimistic that I feel like

1011
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 2>there's like there's I'm waiting for the other shoot to drop.

1012
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Have you dealt with that at all?

1013
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean that's why I'm I'm actually lowering my

1014
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.280
<v Speaker 4>expectations because I don't want to be disappointed. I don't

1015
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.119
<v Speaker 4>really think, for example, like I'm not actually optimistic that

1016
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.639
<v Speaker 4>they're really gonna cut spending. I don't think anybody cares

1017
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 4>about spending. I mean, yeah, I know Elon Musk might

1018
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 4>cut some government employees or something. I really am skeptical

1019
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 4>about that, but I've decided that nobody cares about that,

1020
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 4>So that's just not happening.

1021
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:19.239
<v Speaker 5>So now I'll move on to the next thing that

1022
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 5>I care about.

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00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 4>But I do want to say one more thing about

1024
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.159
<v Speaker 4>Dave if I may, which is how gracious he is

1025
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:31.639
<v Speaker 4>in this situation. You know, I know somebody'll maybe I'll

1026
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 4>tell you his name off the air.

1027
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:33.719
<v Speaker 5>You probably know him.

1028
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 4>Who very very quickly skyrocketed to the top in terms

1029
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.679
<v Speaker 4>of media attention and popularity and then had a dramatic fall.

1030
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:47.320
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not talking about Milo somebody else. And once

1031
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 4>he made that, once he broke through and became a

1032
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 4>bit of a phenomenon, he forgot all about his friends.

1033
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:55.599
<v Speaker 4>It really, like was the old story. He forgot all

1034
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 4>about his friends because he's a fancy, gut person now

1035
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.800
<v Speaker 4>and he moves in all these fans circles. He doesn't

1036
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 4>need them anymore. And not only is Dave not that way.

1037
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 4>You know, he still texts, you know, a low life

1038
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:07.480
<v Speaker 4>like me.

1039
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:09.840
<v Speaker 5>You know, I still talk to him.

1040
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 4>But beyond that, he gets on these shows and he

1041
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 4>builds up his friends right till say. You know, Scott

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<v Speaker 4>Horton has the classic book on this. It's already a classic,

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<v Speaker 4>hasn't even come out yet, And you really should talk

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<v Speaker 4>to him like Dave will do. You know, he's debating

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<v Speaker 4>Chris Cuomo. He brings my book and puts it on

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<v Speaker 4>the table and says, you should read this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for that, by the way, Oh were

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<v Speaker 2>you okay?

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<v Speaker 5>I saw I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I was at a concert or something I

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<v Speaker 4>was seeing. I think I was seeing an earth Wind

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<v Speaker 4>and Fire and Lionel Richie that night.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting back back row in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>right but I remember seeing your book and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so awesome. By the way, I just got

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<v Speaker 2>to point out that is a knock on effect. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Dave probably is this type of person anyways, but

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<v Speaker 2>that is a major knock on effect of his relationship

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<v Speaker 2>to Joe Rogan, because what has Joe Rogan done. He

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<v Speaker 2>has brought all of his friends up with him. He

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<v Speaker 2>has turned all of them into superstars. That's exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>Dave's trying to do because he feels that same sort

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<v Speaker 2>of gratitude towards Rogan, and he's trying to be the

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<v Speaker 2>same guy, in my opinion, and I think it's and

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<v Speaker 2>also I just think he's a good person and he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to help where he can, and he realizes, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these ideas I got from these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna leave them behind, like of course.

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<v Speaker 4>Not, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I feel like it couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>happen to a more deserving guy. And it happened in

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<v Speaker 4>part because he seized every opportunity that came his way.

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<v Speaker 4>And by that, I mean he had opportunities to debate

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<v Speaker 4>people that he seized upon and took them and did it.

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<v Speaker 4>And those debates, either the debates themselves went viral or

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<v Speaker 4>clips of the debates went viral. So then people started

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<v Speaker 4>seeing him. He'd been on Rogan all this time, so

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't hurt. And so but all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in your feed, whatever platform you're on, but

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<v Speaker 4>these days it's X I suppose is what where all

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00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.039
<v Speaker 4>the normal people are? You keep seeing the same guy

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<v Speaker 4>over and over and you think, well, why am I

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<v Speaker 4>not talking to him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, No, And just to prove your point that he

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't left any of us behind, I texted the guy

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<v Speaker 2>while he was on the PbD live stream during the

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<v Speaker 2>election night, and I told him I think it's over.

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00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I think Trump's got this. And he responds right away,

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00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I won't say the details of what

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00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:13.880
<v Speaker 2>we talked about, but yeah, he's just he's a real

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<v Speaker 2>one man, and he and he's a true believer, and

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00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.679
<v Speaker 2>he's got incredible capacity to argue our points in a

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00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>compelling fashion that can absolutely flatten our opposition but also

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00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.199
<v Speaker 2>embrace people that are not us, and most libertarians can't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. So all of the haters, all of the

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00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.800
<v Speaker 2>people in the Libertarian party that are like, ah, fuck

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Smith, You're an idiot. Okay, oh you are awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>You will never have one millionth even a millionth of

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<v Speaker 4>Dave's influence. And as I say, it's happening to him.

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<v Speaker 5>Because he put in the time, he put in the work.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's told me when I've interviewed him about

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<v Speaker 4>his early days that he went like two years on

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<v Speaker 4>part of the problem with basically no traction at all, none,

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<v Speaker 4>and he just kept at it and kept at it

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00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.400
<v Speaker 4>and kept at it. So you know, it's it's an

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<v Speaker 4>overnight success that took years, which is true of most

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<v Speaker 4>overnight successes.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, that's right, Yep, he's been doing it

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<v Speaker 2>for fifteen years. And people will say where'd this guy

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<v Speaker 2>come from. It's like, well, he put in the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, by the way, now I get to brag to

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<v Speaker 4>people because Dave was a groomsman at my wedding. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 4>when I introduced when I was with Canvas Owens, I

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<v Speaker 4>told her that as a way of kind of explaining, Look,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm a good guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's how I prove it.

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<v Speaker 4>But then I tell them, Then I tell them that

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Malice was my best man, and they just stop,

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<v Speaker 4>like with a cold white expression, like a ghost, like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my gosh, what what kind of a best man

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00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 4>speech did that guy give?

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<v Speaker 5>And all I can say is you wish you could

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<v Speaker 5>have been there?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I bet, I bet it's It's legendary, no doubt. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>the great Tom Woods tell people where they can follow.

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<v Speaker 4>You, Tom tom Woods dot com. And at the very

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<v Speaker 4>top of tom woods dot com you can even do

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<v Speaker 4>what every instinct in your body is telling you not

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<v Speaker 4>to do, which is sign up for my email list.

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<v Speaker 4>You think I don't want to get any emails. I

1131
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 4>know you don't, but you do want to get mine

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<v Speaker 4>unless you have brain damage.

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<v Speaker 5>So Tom wars dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom woos dot com. Uh, listening to the Tom Wood Show.

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<v Speaker 2>He's great. You'll learn a lot if you haven't already

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<v Speaker 2>been deep down this rabbit hole. And even if you have,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll teach you more as I brought him on today

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, steal man and uh and devour any

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<v Speaker 2>arguments in favor of tariffs. So I appreciate your time Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you guys so much for tuning in. Hit

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<v Speaker 2>the like button, subscribe, shared around, and leave a comment

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<v Speaker 2>down below If I got anything wrong, which I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>I did, Appreciate it. Appreciate you guys. See you so peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Liberty Lockdown, Plea's got your walk home to

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<v Speaker 3>Liberty ain't come, but yeah it's on home.

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<v Speaker 2>Where did it come from? And where did he go