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What 33 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:58.040 their audis are doing, we don't know, but their eennies 34 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.200 are here within the world of the podcast to discuss 35 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:05.079 Severance season two as well as the show as a whole. 36 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.959 And now I will stop trying to be creepy. Welcome 37 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:11.360 Reaky to this conversation and say, Reeky, we did some 38 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.719 coverage on this show about season one. I think most 39 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:16.840 of our listeners I'm hoping are watching Severance, but it 40 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:18.840 is on Apple, which not everyone's gonna watch, and so 41 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.039 we're gonna as much as we can talk about the 42 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.960 issues it raises without going too deep into the show itself, 43 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:26.879 and we'll try and kind of like make sure you're 44 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:28.520 up to date with things. Of course, we are going 45 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:30.960 to be spoiling things like crazy. So if you do 46 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:32.319 want to watch the show, if you do have a 47 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.919 way to get Apple TV, We're not going to ask 48 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.400 you how you do it. We're just gonna encourage you 49 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.560 to do it. Watch the show come back. But for 50 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.280 everybody else, Reeky, let's just start with kind of what 51 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.599 was your overall thoughts on severnce even season. 52 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.319 One, season one or two. 53 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.639 Season one just kind of catch us up to people 54 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.080 have heard mine, Rob's thoughts on it. Just kind of 55 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.400 catch up to where what your starting point was, and 56 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:56.520 they will jump into season two. 57 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.719 I would say that I liked season one a lot, 58 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:08.439 a great deal, and so was looking forward to season two, 59 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.560 and for me, season two was a little bit of 60 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:12.159 a letdown. 61 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.520 Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that I kind 62 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:20.520 of feel the same way. I feel like Severance more 63 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:24.680 than anything, is a show that it started as what 64 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.479 if we can use this kind of interesting sci fi concept, 65 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:33.520 namely the idea that you could be severed in your 66 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.319 mind and have a persona that exists only at work, 67 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:39.680 and that while you're at work, you wouldn't have to 68 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:41.879 have any of the thoughts or feelings or memories of 69 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:45.000 the person you left outside your AUDI. But that also 70 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.360 you're AUDI would not have to deal with any of 71 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:49.039 the stuff that you were doing on the inside. And 72 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.879 so it's a commentary on the way we try to 73 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:56.039 repress our feelings and our memories and our thoughts. It's 74 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:59.199 a kind of commentary on office culture and office you know, 75 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.159 drudgery and now people similar to talk about wishing they 76 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:06.280 could just disassociate for eight hours of the day, and 77 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:08.599 it raised all sorts of great issues, And I think 78 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.240 in season two. In season one, they started trying to 79 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:14.319 build with it and play with it and bring about 80 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.600 a plot. But season two they really tried to run 81 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.000 with that plot a lot further. And I feel like, 82 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.639 as we're going to talk about, I love the questions 83 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.879 that they're raising, I love the way they're continuing to 84 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:29.279 discuss them, but I feel like they tried to take 85 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.600 us a lot deeper into that plot and to make 86 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.879 that plot a lot more convoluted and complex without really 87 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:39.000 answering all the questions that they're setting up instead just 88 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:43.680 making things seem weirder and weirder and more surreal in ways. 89 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.000 They kind of fit into a lot of the mystery 90 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.879 bock culture stuff that I'm not really a big fan of. 91 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.439 So I've definitely enjoyed season two. I'm glad I watched it. 92 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:52.399 I think there's a lot to talk about, but I 93 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.079 think I agree with you. I like season one more. 94 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.079 Yeah, I'm glad you used the phrase mystery box because 95 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.560 that was definitely at the forefront of my mind when 96 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:05.519 watching the show. It does a good job of that. 97 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:08.920 And then one of the things I've read about season 98 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:14.600 two is that it asks more questions than it answers yes, 99 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.279 and that that is like a hallmark of mystery box 100 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:21.519 type shows, and I don't like it. I used to 101 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.399 like it, but then I kept watching shows that didn't 102 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.439 answer all the questions and kept asking more and more 103 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:32.000 and expanding the lore and ways that are not satisfying. 104 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.720 And that was definitely something that I felt in season two, 105 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:39.959 was like, you're giving us like all these things, but 106 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.560 they're still not connecting to me in a satisfying way. 107 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.480 And I think you have to have some satisfying connections 108 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.560 in a season of television that makes you go, oh, okay, 109 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:54.319 that's what's going on, and that, in addition to the mystery, 110 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:56.240 continuing mystery is what brings you back. 111 00:05:57.480 --> 00:05:59.040 And I think you're right about that. I think this 112 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:00.839 is kind where we're going to start. And I you know, 113 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.319 this is more kind of TV critique maybe, but I 114 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:05.319 think it's connected because it talks about like the kind 115 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.800 of what we enjoy in the journey that TV shows 116 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.439 take us on and the questions that they raise, et cetera. 117 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:14.639 This is a show that loves to play with a 118 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.680 surreal where there's a lot of things that just everyone 119 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.519 accepts as for granted that to us as outsiders, seem 120 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.759 very weird and kind of completely out of left field, 121 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.600 you know, and that they they have little dance parties 122 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.240 among the group, and they melon parties are a way 123 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.160 that people get celebrated, and there's just all kinds of 124 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:37.720 random things like this. And I think part of the 125 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.839 problem is that, you know, a lot of the plot develops, 126 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.360 we learn more about sort of the lore of this 127 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:48.680 company Lumen that's behind this sufference, because you know, we've 128 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.800 moved from not just sort of asking this question of 129 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.519 like what about if this was just a benign procedure, 130 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.439 but now learning that there's actually this dark conspiracy behind 131 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.360 the company that's leading this procedure. But at the end 132 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.439 of season we still no idea really what that is. 133 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.560 It's a cult. Do you get that feeling? 134 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.079 It's very much a cult. But I think what I'm 135 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:10.360 going with, And tell me if this is kind of 136 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.439 how you feel as well, when everything seems kind of 137 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:15.920 like the next development is random, and the next development 138 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.079 is out of left field, the next development is as well, 139 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.000 it's hard to find the patterns. And I think what 140 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.199 sometimes for me really satisfying in a show is when 141 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.240 you can start to say, oh, okay, I didn't expect 142 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.879 twist number two, and I didn't expect twist number three, 143 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.800 but twist clue. Yeah, you can kind of like see 144 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:35.079 the pattern, and now you can kind of start to 145 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.800 anticipate and and you're viewing of the show changes as 146 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:40.600 you're no longer totally out of left field. You're kind 147 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.399 of thrown into the world, but you're starting to figure 148 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.120 it out. And I feel like you're right. I just 149 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.959 have so many more questions than I do, and I 150 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:50.839 don't know if this is the case, but I think 151 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:54.439 if I'm remembering correctly, things I've read from the people 152 00:07:54.439 --> 00:08:00.560 who wrote the show confirm this. I find that a 153 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.079 good general rule about how much I enjoy mystery box 154 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:08.480 shows is when the writers start writing the mysteries, have 155 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:12.759 they already figured out all the answers? And there are 156 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:14.680 shows that do that, and I think wind up being 157 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:17.360 wonderfully put together because of it, because they do plan 158 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.959 on coming up with the answers eventually for you, and 159 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.439 they've already planned them out, and there's less of a 160 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.240 feeling of like they're just throwing stuff at the wall 161 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:28.240 and then, like you know, JJ abrams Is famously said 162 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.839 about Lost that he didn't have any idea where everything 163 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.039 was going, and I think it really shows in the 164 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.279 show Battlestar Galactago, one of my favorite science fiction shows, 165 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.000 a really good one, but I think really suffered because 166 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.840 they kept adding more mysteries and they didn't actually have 167 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.519 an idea of where it would end. And this is 168 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:46.360 definitely feeling like that first one to me, and I 169 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.000 think part of what I'm frustrated by it is because 170 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:52.240 it feels like it's kind of obscuring the actual really 171 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.159 interesting questions that the show was raising. About personality and 172 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.080 about who we are and about the choices we make, 173 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.679 and about office work and all these things, and so 174 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.720 I'm just kind of like, yeah, I wish the show 175 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:05.000 was doing more of the stuff that I wanted it 176 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:06.559 to do, and and other people may love the way 177 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.120 it went and that's totally legitimate, but it's for me 178 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.200 is the ephesis. That's what I want to focus more on. 179 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.519 Yeah, I agree, like the whole CULTI vibe. One of 180 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.639 the big things we got in season two was the goats, 181 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.480 or they expanded on the goats, and we got to 182 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.600 learn like the whole department of mammalian whatever, and then 183 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.960 they were getting ready to sacrifice the goat, and again 184 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.360 that's like, this is some kind of cult, Like it's 185 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:37.120 very satanic, et cetera, and we don't really know what 186 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.840 that means. And at some point in theory hopefully they 187 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.240 explain like this is what the goats are for. But it, 188 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.440 as you said, it like feels random. It does not 189 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:50.600 feel like a thread where we the audience can figure 190 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.159 it out beforehand through the clups. I mean, you can 191 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.240 take some random stabs at it, but it's just like, 192 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:59.320 I don't know, sure it could be anything. It could 193 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.720 be anything well, and so let's pull it. 194 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:03.480 To some of the questions that the show really is 195 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.440 asking that I think are fun to talk about, even 196 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:07.799 if we don't necessarily love the way they're trying to 197 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.720 try to answer them. One of I think the big 198 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.279 questions about the show is this idea of literally the 199 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:19.480 severance itself of can you kind of have these two 200 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.600 aspects of your personality? And I think, like a lot 201 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.279 of good science fiction, a lot of what the show 202 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.919 is doing is taking things that we think of metaphorically, 203 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.639 you know, like I've got my work sona and my 204 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.159 you know, work wife and stuff like that, and ah, 205 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.399 isn't that funny? But of course I go home to 206 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.600 my real life and things like that, And it's kind 207 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:41.399 of taking that to a logical stream of what if 208 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.200 you really fully could sever those things? Having now watched 209 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.840 two seasons of it, if we take away the cult stuff, 210 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:51.480 if we take away a lot of that, what do 211 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.039 you think of this general idea and how it's playing 212 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.879 out of can you is it ethical to have these 213 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.879 two different parts of your person on it that are 214 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:02.960 fully separated like this? 215 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:08.159 Yeah, that's I mean, that's my favorite part still of 216 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:14.679 this show is that essentially each actor plays two characters, right, 217 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.840 and we are finally seeing the two characters in the 218 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:23.759 same body start to interact. Not directly obviously, because that 219 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:28.279 is impossible, but we do get some interesting scenes with 220 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.000 the video camera recording and talking to themselves, right. But 221 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:38.320 especially the character of Dylan right played by Zach Cherry, 222 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:45.360 having a second relationship with his wife was probably the 223 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.279 most interesting thing to me that happened in the season. 224 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:50.960 One of the things the show sets up is that 225 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.720 they want the any to really know almost nothing about 226 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.120 the Audi, because they want it to be really just 227 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.039 you're only there for work and you don't have these 228 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.679 outside things. But they were finding that there's a natural 229 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:06.240 curiosity and so they want to slowly give people very 230 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:09.080 generalized information. And again it's all done in this wonderful 231 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:12.320 parody of you know, sort of office self help culture. 232 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.440 That's really great. But one of the things that happened 233 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.320 in the first sevenment first season is that Dylan's Audi 234 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.519 kind of broke containment. And there's a moment where when 235 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.320 Dillian's sorry, Dylan's Innie, and so when there's a moment 236 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.240 when Dylan's Inni is the one in control, of the body. 237 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.679 He recognizes that he has a son and that he 238 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.200 has a wife, and it haunts him because now he 239 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.679 knows these things, and so he wants to start having visits, 240 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.000 and the woman who his AUDI is married to starts 241 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.879 coming to visit him, and he starts to develop feelings 242 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.480 for her, And just to give you to the contrast, 243 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.879 the two other kind of relationships that we have are 244 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:53.840 the Mark Scott, Mark S, who's kind of our main 245 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:57.360 character I think hid by second. 246 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.799 The character is Scout, the actor is Scout. 247 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:05.000 Thank you sorry, it's Adam Scout, Adam Scott playing Mark Scout, 248 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.240 also known as Mark S. In general, the full name 249 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.879 is the Audi, the initial is the Innie, and he 250 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:12.960 is our kind of the main character who's figuring all 251 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:18.000 this out, and his Inenie wants out, and there's a 252 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.639 whole much more complication to his character. But basically, his 253 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.720 Audi has realized that he and his wife were kind 254 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.120 of like taken into this program without their full consent 255 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.000 in some ways, that his wife, who we thought was dead, 256 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:33.120 might actually still be alive inside the system, and he 257 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:36.360 wants to use his Inni to go find her. But meanwhile, 258 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:39.879 his Inenie is developing relationships for another Innie, and there's 259 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.200 a conflict there about you know, what's gonna happen and 260 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:45.200 if if Mark can fully get himself out, what will 261 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.600 happen to the Innie. And then the third is the 262 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:51.159 character of Henny and Henny's Inennie is kind of one 263 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.000 of the most rebellious, one of the moones who's most 264 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.200 fighting this one of the moones who's most like, I 265 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.879 don't want to be an Innie. And we find out 266 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.720 that her Audi actually is the daughter of the person 267 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.799 running the company, and so her Audi is even more 268 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.840 so like pushing her INNI to force her to be 269 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:07.759 in there. And we saw some of that in season one, 270 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:10.639 it becomes even more so in season two. All that 271 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:12.879 is just kind of give context to the Dylan conversation, 272 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:15.279 which I'm sorry interrupted, so kind of getting back to Dylan, 273 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.480 what really struck you about how that played out, about 274 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.320 having the Innie start to develop a relationship that he 275 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.039 wanted with the woman who the Audi was married to, 276 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.679 And the conclusion it comes to is that the Audi 277 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:32.639 severs his severance. He wants to stop working at this company, 278 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.080 which means that the Innie, for all intents and purposes, 279 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.480 ceases to exist and ask one of the questions that 280 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:41.240 asked is that murder? Is that the killing of a 281 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.480 person or persona or is it just a part of you? 282 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:45.360 Or how do you frame that? 283 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.360 Yeah, I just want to go back real quick. The 284 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:53.080 character played by Britt lau Or her name is Helly, 285 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:58.519 Helly sorry, thank you, the Inny character and the Audi 286 00:14:58.799 --> 00:14:59.879 is Helena. 287 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:00.879 Thank you. 288 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:06.879 Yes? But yeah, so where to start? Like the thing 289 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:13.039 with Dylan is I found it. I guess funny because 290 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.840 he's essentially in a love triangle or square, I don't 291 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:21.480 even know what kind of shape it is, right, because 292 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.639 his Audi is married to his wife and then she 293 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:31.559 comes to visit the Innie on the on the severed floor. 294 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.159 And then, as you said that, the Inny also develops 295 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.919 feelings and falls in love and even reproposes to his 296 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.519 own wife. And she's in this position where it's it's 297 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.039 the same body, like it's the body of her husband 298 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:51.440 that she loves, but the persona, the personality is so 299 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:57.080 different that she actually my belief is that she falls 300 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.759 in love with the Innie as she's falling out of 301 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.960 love with the Audi, right, And we get these interesting 302 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.759 scenes of that conflict and part. 303 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.919 Of what's going on in that is that, as mentioned, 304 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:11.639 one of the reasons why some of these people do 305 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.840 severance isn't just because they don't want to have to 306 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.840 deal with the drudgery of office work. It's because in 307 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:20.080 their day to day life, they're carrying all this pain 308 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.559 with them or sadness or on wei or whatever it is, 309 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:25.639 and they don't want to deal with that eight hours 310 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.480 of the day. And in Dylan's case, it's made him 311 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:30.759 kind of a jerk to his wife. And so part 312 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.080 of the issue is not only that the Enny develops 313 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.639 feelings for the woman that his Audi is married to, 314 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.159 but also that she starts to develop feelings for him 315 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:43.080 in part because she reminds him of the Dylan that 316 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.080 she first fell in love with, who the guy she's 317 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.960 actually married to, isn't really that guy anymore. 318 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:54.600 Yeah, And what this show does with Dylan is it 319 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.240 asked the question about like work experience and skills and 320 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.320 you and Rob talked about this in the previous episode. 321 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:06.880 But Dylan, the inny is good at his job right right, 322 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.559 and he's proud of that. He's got his little like 323 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:14.440 achievement awards on his desk, and the out he doesn't 324 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:16.640 have those skills So there's a brief moment at the 325 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:21.759 beginning of season two when Dylan is fired for having 326 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.839 instigated the incident at the end of season one, and 327 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:28.640 he goes to these job interviews and he's like, on 328 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.799 his resume it says he worked at Lumen, but he 329 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.960 was severed, so he doesn't have any skills from that. 330 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.400 He doesn't have work experience that he can cite and 331 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:40.160 be like, yeah, I'm good at this. And that's part 332 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:47.400 of the part of what I guess drives Dylan's depression 333 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.640 or on WII as you called it, right, and makes 334 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:57.680 makes that character less desirable to his wife because he 335 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:02.480 is not gaining that satisfaction of doing a good job 336 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.839 at work. And that is like in our real lives, 337 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.839 like that can be a part of your personality, and 338 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.519 what makes you a person, right, is the happiness you 339 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:16.000 gain from a job. I mean, you talked about wouldn't 340 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.759 it be nice to sever and just like disassociate from 341 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:24.799 your job. But it's a you know, approximately a third 342 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:28.480 of our lives or a quarter right time wise, and 343 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:32.240 that can can make you who you are. 344 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.480 No, I think that's definitely true, and I think I 345 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.519 think we span job there to talk about like you know, 346 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:38.319 homemaking and stuff like that. It's not just like being 347 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.640 paid to do something. But one of the things I 348 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:43.559 think is so fascinating, again, this is the kind of 349 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:48.160 thing I wanted the show to explore more, is like 350 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.079 I think one of the points of the show, especially 351 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.119 in season one, but also in this one, is that 352 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.000 a problem with the modern office environment is that a 353 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:58.640 lot of people aren't getting that because what they're doing 354 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:02.559 is just moving numbers around from one's box to another, 355 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.920 or you know, shuffling papers and emails, and they're one 356 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.160 cog in this much larger machine, and it's hard to 357 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:11.400 see that they are actually getting anything, and that a 358 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.799 lot of people go to work and don't come home 359 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.519 with that kind of feeling. And that what the show 360 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.640 kind of posits is the idea that if you actually 361 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.960 part of it is that there's this this disconnect between 362 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.680 the part of ourselves. As you said, that's all those 363 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:26.680 other things that we bring with us into the office 364 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.079 that want to be doing more than just moving numbers 365 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.000 from one box to another. But that if you cut 366 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.000 all that off, you know that that Dylan with all 367 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.119 that cut off, where all he knows is the number 368 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.680 because it literally is just moving numbers from one box 369 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.720 to another without any idea of the context of it. 370 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:46.720 And that's one of the mystery boxes that's kind of 371 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:49.799 teased at but not really fully explored in the show. 372 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.400 Again to the frustration, But the point is very much 373 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.799 that the workers don't know. But because they don't have 374 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.279 any context for that, and they are given these little 375 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:01.240 awards like, hey, you did well, you get a melon party, 376 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.519 you get a dance party, you get these little things, 377 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.440 it is enough for Dylan's any And I think that's 378 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.160 the irony as You're right, I think Dylan's Audi is 379 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.519 completely denied the satisfaction of a good job at work 380 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.039 that Dylan's INNI gets. But I think what we're supposed 381 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.000 to think is that if Dylan's Audi was doing this 382 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:21.519 kind of part of why it happened in the beginning 383 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.200 is that if Dylan's Audi was bringing all of himself 384 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.759 into the office, he'd be incredibly dissatisfied but doing this 385 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:28.400 kind of work, and that that's kind of the catch 386 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:29.599 twenty two at the heart of all of it. 387 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.440 I disagree with that, okay, because I mean, any Dylan 388 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:43.200 is very happy like with his work, right right, and 389 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:45.920 and the work itself, Like you say, it's just moving 390 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:50.079 the numbers, and we don't we are the characters don't 391 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.799 know why they're doing it, but it is shown that 392 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:59.319 they gain like a weird emotional satisfaction from doing it, 393 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.319 and they don't know why, they just feel it. They're like, 394 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.440 these numbers feel good, these numbers feel bad, and moving 395 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:11.039 them into the correct boxes like gives them an emotional satisfaction, 396 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:15.480 and that's why they keep doing it, even at the 397 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.519 point where they are trying to rebel against Luman. Right. 398 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:22.400 I agree with you, I guess I guess my thought 399 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.599 maybe this may be my bias because I'm someone who's 400 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.400 never been comfortable in an office setting, so maybe I'm 401 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:31.039