Speaker 1: Christian Toto everybody.
Speaker 2: He writes and podcasts at Hollywood intoto dot com, where
Speaker 2: you can get entertainment news from a right leaning perspective.
Speaker 2: And you, guys, are you growing? Do you like more
Speaker 2: people writing for you now? Or you're just like creating
Speaker 2: a little empire over there?
Speaker 3: It's mostly me on I don't sleep. Yeah, it's really
Speaker 3: a bad situation. I do some guest writers who chip
Speaker 3: in from now and then, and which has been really helpful. Honestly,
Speaker 3: it's been very nice. Yeah, very very nice. I want
Speaker 3: new perspectives and different ideas and that too, So that's
Speaker 3: kind of one of the things when I first started the side.
Speaker 3: I don't want to just be me. It's mostly me,
Speaker 3: but I want other points of view.
Speaker 2: There. Can I write a column written from a cranky,
Speaker 2: postmen apousal female perspective on how.
Speaker 1: Stupid movies are right now? I would love that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. It's happening. Okay.
Speaker 2: Brought Christian in to kind of start doing a deeper
Speaker 2: dive on the Jimmy Kimmel situation because what I've seen
Speaker 2: over the past few days, I try not to just
Speaker 2: sit and roll my eyes completely backward into my head,
Speaker 2: but it has been so.
Speaker 1: Eye roll worthy. Yes, and here's why.
Speaker 2: First of all, if the SEC had any direct push
Speaker 2: motion whatever to get Jimmy Kimmel off the air, I
Speaker 2: have a huge problem with that, and I said so
Speaker 2: on my social media, like I hope Jimmy Kimmel Susan wins.
Speaker 2: We're now starting to hear that it came from affiliates,
Speaker 2: It came from Sinclair Broadcasting, it came from Next Star Broadcasting,
Speaker 2: where they said this is not okay, We're not going
Speaker 2: to air this show. And especially with Nextstar that's who
Speaker 2: carries the show in a lot of major markets. So
Speaker 2: that was pretty much a death blow. What is your
Speaker 2: take on the firing? First, let's start there. It's complicated.
Speaker 3: We don't know if he's fired officially, he's suspended. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's coming back. There are a lot of
Speaker 3: different factors here. One in the media is just wildly
Speaker 3: irresponsible in covering this. I mean between the this is
Speaker 3: the end of the world coverage, to this is the
Speaker 3: end of free speech coverage, to ignoring some of the
Speaker 3: things you just mentioned, and also ignoring the fact that
Speaker 3: he went on the air and a type of national tragedy.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that Charlie kirk death murder was a natural tragedy,
Speaker 3: really is. And he said just such an ugly, gross lie,
Speaker 3: and he just won't apologize, won't backpedal anything. There's something
Speaker 3: really wrong with that in him, honestly.
Speaker 2: Not only that, we now know from reporting today that
Speaker 2: the ABC brass essentially called him up and said, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: you got to take the temperature down. And he was
Speaker 2: going to get back on the air the next night
Speaker 2: and say, this is just maga people taking what I
Speaker 2: said out of context?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: There's a zero percent chance I heart media would let
Speaker 2: me back on the airways to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that also shows just how far
Speaker 3: he's gone down the ideological rabbit hole. If I'm his boss,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, oh my gosh, he can't even apologize for
Speaker 3: that latant lie. We want to stay in business with
Speaker 3: this guy. Yeah, that's another issue as well. It's so
Speaker 3: interesting And listen earlier that day, I think it was
Speaker 3: Brendan Carr FC chair was talking about, you know, one
Speaker 3: way to the other, we should deal with this or something.
Speaker 3: He's kind of really speaking in a very hyperbolic tone.
Speaker 3: To Benny Johnson on The Benny Show, that's no good
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: That's not I disagree with that.
Speaker 2: I don't think that the FCC chairman has any business. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: no matter what party's in charge. To be clear, I
Speaker 2: just don't think we have to deal with the FCC.
Speaker 2: They're already a big enough pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's also the chance that ABC was just willing to
Speaker 3: get out of the Jimmy Kimmel business because this contract
Speaker 3: doesn't have much more time left. Late night is dying.
Speaker 3: It is a format that is not going to be
Speaker 3: sustainable for much longer if it is now and if
Speaker 3: the Late Show with Stephen Colbert is losing forty million
Speaker 3: a year with bigger ratings than Kimmel, Yeah, is what's
Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes of Kimmel? And why are
Speaker 3: these networks even supporting a show that loses gargantuan amounts
Speaker 3: of money?
Speaker 1: That seems crazy? Well, I think that.
Speaker 2: I think part of it is an ABC was like, look,
Speaker 2: they've canceled the Late Show with Stephen Colbert, We're not
Speaker 2: going to basically the late night space is going to
Speaker 2: be fundamentally changed. So if we're losing money and I
Speaker 2: saw the ratings. Someone pulled the ratings eighteen forty nine
Speaker 2: person's eighteen forty nine, which is the late night demo.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not in the late night demo. I would
Speaker 1: go to sleep at nine thirty.
Speaker 2: He had just cratered over the last few years, so
Speaker 2: he's not reaching the key demographic. I have to imagine
Speaker 2: that when And it's my understanding from the article at
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal and CNN that not just the
Speaker 2: affiliates but advertisers called and we're like, this is not okay.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the notion that this in
Speaker 2: and of itself represents a turning point in the United States,
Speaker 2: Not in the sense that we're gonna leave the FCC
Speaker 2: part aside just for a moment, but in the sense
Speaker 2: that you now have television networks who have been very
Speaker 2: happy to carry the water, carry the liberal clap trap, unfettered, unchallenged.
Speaker 2: They have been perfectly fine for how many years. Now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're like, uh oh, the tone
Speaker 2: in the country has changed.
Speaker 3: It's that plus something more specific, it's the economics of change. Yes,
Speaker 3: Hollywood is struggling across the board. The two strikes in
Speaker 3: recent years. You know, Theatrically speaking, they don't make as
Speaker 3: much money as they used to. Streaming hasn't been as
Speaker 3: profitable as they thought it was, so it's a revenue problem.
Speaker 3: I think they could get on their high horse two, three, four,
Speaker 3: or five six years ago because they were making enough
Speaker 3: money and everyone was flush with cash. Right now, the
Speaker 3: industry is really stumbling along. There are sort of crew
Speaker 3: members who are really suffering, and I feel the worse
Speaker 3: for them because that's hard to make a living. And
Speaker 3: not the Kimmels of the world who were well compensated.
Speaker 3: It's the Joe and Jane sixpack who are just putting
Speaker 3: lights on or you know, taping the floor where they stand,
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So that's why I think you're
Speaker 3: seeing the change that's going on right now, because it's
Speaker 3: not economically sustainable like it once was.
Speaker 2: They've gone from fu money to owe money. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean where it is right. I want to point out
Speaker 2: something yesterday and the Hollywood Reporter there was an article
Speaker 2: and the headline was something like what Jimy Kimmel said
Speaker 2: wasn't as bad.
Speaker 1: As you thought. Oh, they're trying to spin it. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing.
Speaker 2: People need direct these monologues are not off the cuff,
Speaker 2: like I sit here for three hours on a day
Speaker 2: and I just make up crap as I'm going. These
Speaker 2: monologues are written, they are put on a teleprompter, they
Speaker 2: are reviewed by multiple people. They have gone through multiple
Speaker 2: people by the time Jimmy Kimmel reads that on the air.
Speaker 1: So this was not a flub.
Speaker 3: Not only that it's not live, even though it's called
Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel Live. Yeah, it's taped, so they what's amazing
Speaker 3: about this whole thing is that there was no one
Speaker 3: with any sort of ramada. I said, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: we just said that on the air. He just wrote
Speaker 3: that when it's completely untrue. The ideological bubble is bulletproof,
Speaker 3: and there's no lack of diversity. You know, diversity can
Speaker 3: be great. You need intellectual diversity. To have someone on
Speaker 3: the show to say, listen, mister Kimmel, that's completely the
Speaker 3: opposite of what's going on. We don't we know something
Speaker 3: things about this killer and that's not what you're saying.
Speaker 1: So not only is it not.
Speaker 3: A joke, sorry, boss, not a joke, but it's it
Speaker 3: completely fun.
Speaker 1: It's rule.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you're pinning the blame on this group
Speaker 3: who just suffered the loss of their young leader, and
Speaker 3: you're saying.
Speaker 1: They cost it.
Speaker 2: I will say that I think that people like Jimmy
Speaker 2: kimmelar and many on the left have really underestimated the
Speaker 2: impact of this death. And I said to a friend today,
Speaker 2: I feel like this radicalized me in some ways where I,
Speaker 2: of course will not ever advocate or condone violence of
Speaker 2: any kind. I never have, I never will. But boy, howdy,
Speaker 2: I'm done being quiet. Yeah, I mean, I'm finished like holding.
Speaker 1: My tongue and I'm going to be polite.
Speaker 2: But I am no longer going to listen to claptrap
Speaker 2: and not say anything because I don't want to be bothered.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to be bothered.
Speaker 3: I guess they shot the guy who went into the
Speaker 3: belly of the beast time and time and time again,
Speaker 3: who listened to the other side, who took the worst
Speaker 3: questions from the other side and smiled and was most
Speaker 3: likely gentlemanly to the people he was questioning. When you know,
Speaker 3: when his fans would boo the other people and stuff,
Speaker 3: he said, no, no, no, let the parson speak, Yeah, let
Speaker 3: them speak. I mean, it was a crushing blow. There
Speaker 3: have been radical as a points for me, the Bret
Speaker 3: Kavanaugh situation, the Trump shooting. But look at the reaction
Speaker 3: from people. Look at their reaction. And by the way
Speaker 3: I wrote about this Hollywood and Toto at the Emmy Awards,
Speaker 3: would it have hurt them for some person, one person
Speaker 3: to say in a very apolitical way, that was a
Speaker 3: terrible thing that just happened. Free speech is what we
Speaker 3: do for a living. And they just took down a
Speaker 3: free speech champion and that's wrong. Whether you like his
Speaker 3: politics or not, that's just the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 3: And when I want to, you know, I want to
Speaker 3: give a shout out to his family and his wife
Speaker 3: and his two children. This never should have happened in America.
Speaker 3: That is not political. It's not political. But they couldn't
Speaker 3: do it. They couldn't muster the cur.
Speaker 1: Then they would have gotten nasty looks at the party afterward.
Speaker 3: Well, Kristin Chenow, who's a Broadway star and she's on
Speaker 3: some TV and films, posted me very sweet about the
Speaker 3: death of Troy Kirk, and she got attacked for.
Speaker 1: It and she had to make a response on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's ghoulish. Yeah, I have a bleep you. That's
Speaker 1: my response. How about can you stick around one second.
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about some of the receipts
Speaker 2: that are being I've got audio from Chris Hayes versus
Speaker 2: Chris Hayes. We'll do that right after this with Christian Toto. Hey, Rod,
Speaker 2: give me my computer, please, sir, ABC medi the announcement
Speaker 2: Chris Hayes. By the way, this is Chris Hayes versus
Speaker 2: Chris Hayes. First, we're talking about Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 4: Kimmel would indeed be taken off the air indefinitely. And
Speaker 4: this is just the latest chapter in Donald Trump's ongoing
Speaker 4: campaign to crack down on free speech, dominate the media,
Speaker 4: and essentially render the First Amendment meaningless.
Speaker 3: So it was.
Speaker 2: And now Chris Hayes versus Chris Hayes on Tucker Carlson
Speaker 2: being fired.
Speaker 4: As for the Journeyman, cable news host Tucker Carlson just
Speaker 4: fired from his third network. He believed he could say anything.
Speaker 1: No matter how vile, no matter.
Speaker 4: How disgusting, no matter how offensive, now homor dehumanizing or
Speaker 4: belittal it. And if you will act like a sociopath
Speaker 4: over and over and over and over, you will become
Speaker 4: unpopular on the national stage. That's just like a principle
Speaker 4: over time.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to stop him right there, because I
Speaker 2: don't even need to hear. I mean, couldn't you have
Speaker 2: just said that about Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Kimmel yep oh, and the things he has said over
Speaker 3: the Kimmel saying the people who are unvaccinated and shouldn't
Speaker 3: get hospital treatment, mocking protesters against the lockdowns who were
Speaker 3: right by the and by the way, they were just
Speaker 3: starving because their businesses were dying, while Jimmy kimil could
Speaker 3: do a show from his home and collect his massive paychecks.
Speaker 3: He's done a lot of really gross things over the years.
Speaker 2: Off the air, we were having a discussion you and
Speaker 2: I and a Rod about Brendan Carr, and I think
Speaker 2: Brendan Carr made a really stupid, idiotic choice to go
Speaker 2: on the Benny Johnson Show and vent his spleen. And
Speaker 2: I certainly hope that other Trump administration officials would resist
Speaker 2: the urge to do that, because if he had just said, Hey, ABC,
Speaker 2: we're gonna find you for letting this go out under
Speaker 2: the air in this time of national emergency. You got
Speaker 2: a guy up there spreading this information, we're gonna throw
Speaker 2: a fine on you, and nothing had been said. Guess what, kids,
Speaker 2: The FCC levies finds all the time. Now, would ABC
Speaker 2: have made the decision then to cut him loose, as
Speaker 2: many people I know in radio have been cut loose
Speaker 2: after they got themselves an FCC fine remains me seeing
Speaker 2: I really believe ABC just decided this was a perfect opportunity.
Speaker 1: To cut me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's except this is late late night television. The revenues,
Speaker 3: if you look at the numbers, they've been just collapsing,
Speaker 3: so they're just not making money. The Tonight Show went
Speaker 3: from five nights a week to four nights in a week.
Speaker 3: The seth Myers, who is, Oh my gosh, a smuggler
Speaker 3: like you've never seen. He just I don't know if
Speaker 3: he have to tell his jokes. It's just it's so
Speaker 3: it's so coarse. He fire his band because they couldn't
Speaker 3: afford it.
Speaker 1: It's just not it's just not the way it works,
Speaker 1: like one guy.
Speaker 2: To his body, So I can't be critical.
Speaker 1: Christian Toto's writing and and all.
Speaker 2: Kinds of stuff in his podcasts can be found at
Speaker 2: Hollywood intoto dot com. And when we get back I've
Speaker 2: got a lot of text messages who are super salty
Speaker 2: with me right now, and we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 2: And Christian is the joy to.
Speaker 1: See you as all. It's always a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: Check his workout, and especially if you're headed to a movie.
Speaker 2: Anything good on the horizon right now, because I need
Speaker 2: a good movie and I'm not going to go see him.
Speaker 3: There's a big movie coming very soon, one battle after another.
Speaker 1: I hate the title.
Speaker 3: Dios so good. It's a great director, a great actor.
Speaker 3: It sounds very political. We may have to come. I
Speaker 3: meant to go back on the show and talk about it.
Speaker 1: Please. I get a little birdie in my week who
Speaker 1: said that, Yeah, we'll take that anytime.