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<v Speaker 1>Christian Toto everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes and podcasts at Hollywood intoto dot com, where

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<v Speaker 2>you can get entertainment news from a right leaning perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>And you, guys, are you growing? Do you like more

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<v Speaker 2>people writing for you now? Or you're just like creating

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<v Speaker 2>a little empire over there?

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<v Speaker 3>It's mostly me on I don't sleep. Yeah, it's really

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<v Speaker 3>a bad situation. I do some guest writers who chip

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<v Speaker 3>in from now and then, and which has been really helpful. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been very nice. Yeah, very very nice. I want

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<v Speaker 3>new perspectives and different ideas and that too, So that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of one of the things when I first started the side.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to just be me. It's mostly me,

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<v Speaker 3>but I want other points of view.

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<v Speaker 2>There. Can I write a column written from a cranky,

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<v Speaker 2>postmen apousal female perspective on how.

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<v Speaker 1>Stupid movies are right now? I would love that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it. It's happening. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Brought Christian in to kind of start doing a deeper

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<v Speaker 2>dive on the Jimmy Kimmel situation because what I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>over the past few days, I try not to just

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<v Speaker 2>sit and roll my eyes completely backward into my head,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has been so.

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<v Speaker 1>Eye roll worthy. Yes, and here's why.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, if the SEC had any direct push

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<v Speaker 2>motion whatever to get Jimmy Kimmel off the air, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a huge problem with that, and I said so

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<v Speaker 2>on my social media, like I hope Jimmy Kimmel Susan wins.

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<v Speaker 2>We're now starting to hear that it came from affiliates,

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<v Speaker 2>It came from Sinclair Broadcasting, it came from Next Star Broadcasting,

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<v Speaker 2>where they said this is not okay, We're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to air this show. And especially with Nextstar that's who

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<v Speaker 2>carries the show in a lot of major markets. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was pretty much a death blow. What is your

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<v Speaker 2>take on the firing? First, let's start there. It's complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know if he's fired officially, he's suspended. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think he's coming back. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>different factors here. One in the media is just wildly

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<v Speaker 3>irresponsible in covering this. I mean between the this is

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the world coverage, to this is the

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<v Speaker 3>end of free speech coverage, to ignoring some of the

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<v Speaker 3>things you just mentioned, and also ignoring the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>he went on the air and a type of national tragedy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry that Charlie kirk death murder was a natural tragedy,

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<v Speaker 3>really is. And he said just such an ugly, gross lie,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just won't apologize, won't backpedal anything. There's something

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<v Speaker 3>really wrong with that in him, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only that, we now know from reporting today that

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC brass essentially called him up and said, hey, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to take the temperature down. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to get back on the air the next night

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<v Speaker 2>and say, this is just maga people taking what I

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<v Speaker 2>said out of context?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a zero percent chance I heart media would let

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<v Speaker 2>me back on the airways to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think that also shows just how far

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<v Speaker 3>he's gone down the ideological rabbit hole. If I'm his boss,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, oh my gosh, he can't even apologize for

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<v Speaker 3>that latant lie. We want to stay in business with

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<v Speaker 3>this guy. Yeah, that's another issue as well. It's so

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<v Speaker 3>interesting And listen earlier that day, I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>Brendan Carr FC chair was talking about, you know, one

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<v Speaker 3>way to the other, we should deal with this or something.

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<v Speaker 3>He's kind of really speaking in a very hyperbolic tone.

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<v Speaker 3>To Benny Johnson on The Benny Show, that's no good

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<v Speaker 3>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not I disagree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that the FCC chairman has any business. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what party's in charge. To be clear, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't think we have to deal with the FCC.

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<v Speaker 2>They're already a big enough pain in the ass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also the chance that ABC was just willing to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of the Jimmy Kimmel business because this contract

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have much more time left. Late night is dying.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a format that is not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>sustainable for much longer if it is now and if

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<v Speaker 3>the Late Show with Stephen Colbert is losing forty million

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<v Speaker 3>a year with bigger ratings than Kimmel, Yeah, is what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on behind the scenes of Kimmel? And why are

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<v Speaker 3>these networks even supporting a show that loses gargantuan amounts

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<v Speaker 1>That seems crazy? Well, I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think part of it is an ABC was like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>they've canceled the Late Show with Stephen Colbert, We're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to basically the late night space is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be fundamentally changed. So if we're losing money and I

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<v Speaker 2>saw the ratings. Someone pulled the ratings eighteen forty nine

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I'm not in the late night demo. I would

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<v Speaker 1>go to sleep at nine thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>He had just cratered over the last few years, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's not reaching the key demographic. I have to imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that when And it's my understanding from the article at

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<v Speaker 2>the Wall Street Journal and CNN that not just the

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<v Speaker 2>affiliates but advertisers called and we're like, this is not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about the notion that this in

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<v Speaker 2>and of itself represents a turning point in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>Not in the sense that we're gonna leave the FCC

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<v Speaker 2>part aside just for a moment, but in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you now have television networks who have been very

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<v Speaker 2>happy to carry the water, carry the liberal clap trap, unfettered, unchallenged.

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<v Speaker 2>They have been perfectly fine for how many years. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden they're like, uh oh, the tone

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<v Speaker 2>in the country has changed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that plus something more specific, it's the economics of change. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Hollywood is struggling across the board. The two strikes in

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<v Speaker 3>recent years. You know, Theatrically speaking, they don't make as

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<v Speaker 3>I think they could get on their high horse two, three, four,

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<v Speaker 3>or five six years ago because they were making enough

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<v Speaker 3>for them because that's hard to make a living. And

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<v Speaker 3>not the Kimmels of the world who were well compensated.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Joe and Jane sixpack who are just putting

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<v Speaker 3>seeing the change that's going on right now, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>not economically sustainable like it once was.

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<v Speaker 2>They've gone from fu money to owe money. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean where it is right. I want to point out

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<v Speaker 2>something yesterday and the Hollywood Reporter there was an article

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<v Speaker 2>and the headline was something like what Jimy Kimmel said

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't as bad.

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<v Speaker 1>As you thought. Oh, they're trying to spin it. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>People need direct these monologues are not off the cuff,

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<v Speaker 2>like I sit here for three hours on a day

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<v Speaker 2>and I just make up crap as I'm going. These

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<v Speaker 2>monologues are written, they are put on a teleprompter, they

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<v Speaker 2>are reviewed by multiple people. They have gone through multiple

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<v Speaker 2>people by the time Jimmy Kimmel reads that on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was not a flub.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only that it's not live, even though it's called

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<v Speaker 3>Jimmy Kimmel Live. Yeah, it's taped, so they what's amazing

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<v Speaker 3>about this whole thing is that there was no one

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<v Speaker 3>with any sort of ramada. I said, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>we just said that on the air. He just wrote

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<v Speaker 3>that when it's completely untrue. The ideological bubble is bulletproof,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's no lack of diversity. You know, diversity can

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<v Speaker 3>be great. You need intellectual diversity. To have someone on

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<v Speaker 3>the show to say, listen, mister Kimmel, that's completely the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite of what's going on. We don't we know something

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<v Speaker 3>things about this killer and that's not what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only is it not.

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<v Speaker 3>A joke, sorry, boss, not a joke, but it's it

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<v Speaker 3>completely fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rule.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, you're pinning the blame on this group

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<v Speaker 3>who just suffered the loss of their young leader, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>They cost it.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that I think that people like Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>kimmelar and many on the left have really underestimated the

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<v Speaker 2>impact of this death. And I said to a friend today,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this radicalized me in some ways where I,

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<v Speaker 2>of course will not ever advocate or condone violence of

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<v Speaker 2>any kind. I never have, I never will. But boy, howdy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done being quiet. Yeah, I mean, I'm finished like holding.

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<v Speaker 1>My tongue and I'm going to be polite.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am no longer going to listen to claptrap

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<v Speaker 2>and not say anything because I don't want to be bothered.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to be bothered.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess they shot the guy who went into the

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<v Speaker 3>belly of the beast time and time and time again,

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<v Speaker 3>who listened to the other side, who took the worst

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<v Speaker 3>questions from the other side and smiled and was most

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<v Speaker 3>likely gentlemanly to the people he was questioning. When you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when his fans would boo the other people and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, no, no, no, let the parson speak, Yeah, let

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<v Speaker 3>them speak. I mean, it was a crushing blow. There

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<v Speaker 3>have been radical as a points for me, the Bret

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<v Speaker 3>Kavanaugh situation, the Trump shooting. But look at the reaction

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<v Speaker 3>from people. Look at their reaction. And by the way

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote about this Hollywood and Toto at the Emmy Awards,

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<v Speaker 3>would it have hurt them for some person, one person

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<v Speaker 3>to say in a very apolitical way, that was a

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<v Speaker 3>terrible thing that just happened. Free speech is what we

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<v Speaker 3>do for a living. And they just took down a

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<v Speaker 3>free speech champion and that's wrong. Whether you like his

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<v Speaker 3>politics or not, that's just the worst thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I want to, you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>give a shout out to his family and his wife

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<v Speaker 3>and his two children. This never should have happened in America.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not political. It's not political. But they couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>do it. They couldn't muster the cur.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they would have gotten nasty looks at the party afterward.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Kristin Chenow, who's a Broadway star and she's on

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<v Speaker 3>some TV and films, posted me very sweet about the

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<v Speaker 3>death of Troy Kirk, and she got attacked for.

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<v Speaker 1>It and she had to make a response on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's ghoulish. Yeah, I have a bleep you. That's

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<v Speaker 1>my response. How about can you stick around one second.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to talk about some of the receipts

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<v Speaker 2>that are being I've got audio from Chris Hayes versus

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hayes. We'll do that right after this with Christian Toto. Hey, Rod,

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<v Speaker 2>give me my computer, please, sir, ABC medi the announcement

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hayes. By the way, this is Chris Hayes versus

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hayes. First, we're talking about Jimmy Kimmel.

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<v Speaker 4>Kimmel would indeed be taken off the air indefinitely. And

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<v Speaker 4>this is just the latest chapter in Donald Trump's ongoing

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<v Speaker 4>campaign to crack down on free speech, dominate the media,

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<v Speaker 4>and essentially render the First Amendment meaningless.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And now Chris Hayes versus Chris Hayes on Tucker Carlson

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<v Speaker 2>being fired.

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<v Speaker 4>As for the Journeyman, cable news host Tucker Carlson just

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<v Speaker 4>fired from his third network. He believed he could say anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter how vile, no matter.

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<v Speaker 4>How disgusting, no matter how offensive, now homor dehumanizing or

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<v Speaker 4>belittal it. And if you will act like a sociopath

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<v Speaker 4>over and over and over and over, you will become

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<v Speaker 4>unpopular on the national stage. That's just like a principle

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm going to stop him right there, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even need to hear. I mean, couldn't you have

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<v Speaker 2>just said that about Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 3>Kimmel yep oh, and the things he has said over

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<v Speaker 3>the Kimmel saying the people who are unvaccinated and shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>right by the and by the way, they were just

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<v Speaker 3>He's done a lot of really gross things over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the air, we were having a discussion you and

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<v Speaker 2>I and a Rod about Brendan Carr, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>Brendan Carr made a really stupid, idiotic choice to go

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly hope that other Trump administration officials would resist

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<v Speaker 2>the urge to do that, because if he had just said, Hey, ABC,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna find you for letting this go out under

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<v Speaker 2>the air in this time of national emergency. You got

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<v Speaker 2>a guy up there spreading this information, we're gonna throw

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<v Speaker 2>a fine on you, and nothing had been said. Guess what, kids,

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<v Speaker 2>The FCC levies finds all the time. Now, would ABC

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<v Speaker 2>have made the decision then to cut him loose, as

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<v Speaker 2>many people I know in radio have been cut loose

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<v Speaker 2>after they got themselves an FCC fine remains me seeing

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<v Speaker 2>I really believe ABC just decided this was a perfect opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>To cut me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's except this is late late night television. The revenues,

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at the numbers, they've been just collapsing,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're just not making money. The Tonight Show went

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<v Speaker 3>The seth Myers, who is, Oh my gosh, a smuggler

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<v Speaker 3>like you've never seen. He just I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>he have to tell his jokes. It's just it's so

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<v Speaker 3>it's so coarse. He fire his band because they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not it's just not the way it works,

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<v Speaker 1>like one guy.

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<v Speaker 2>To his body, So I can't be critical.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Toto's writing and and all.

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<v Speaker 2>Kinds of stuff in his podcasts can be found at

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood intoto dot com. And when we get back I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of text messages who are super salty

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<v Speaker 2>with me right now, and we're going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And Christian is the joy to.

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<v Speaker 1>See you as all. It's always a pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Check his workout, and especially if you're headed to a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything good on the horizon right now, because I need

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<v Speaker 2>a good movie and I'm not going to go see him.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a big movie coming very soon, one battle after another.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate the title.

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<v Speaker 3>Dios so good. It's a great director, a great actor.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds very political. We may have to come. I

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<v Speaker 3>meant to go back on the show and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Please. I get a little birdie in my week who

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<v Speaker 1>said that, Yeah, we'll take that anytime.